[12:29] <lassegul> kwwii: ill pick up the concept ideas and put them to Hardy/Alternate where each concept has its own page.
[12:30] <lassegul> kwwii: but some stuff is about how to organize the default desktop in hardy, and adding another colour option to the gtkcolourchooser etc. what do i do with them?
[12:31] <kwwii> ouch, yeah...looking at those pages makes it hard to decide
[12:32] <kwwii> might be best to put the ideas into another page, as they do not fit what is going to be default (nothing I saw so far)
[12:32] <kwwii> nasty situation
[12:33] <kwwii> probably should have put some notice somewhere that the direction for Hardy is still coming
[12:33] <kwwii> I kinda did that tonight though
[12:33] <lassegul> I like this one /!\
[12:34] <kwwii> all the concept art stuff seems to be ready to move to alternate
[12:34] <kwwii> as it does not really fit the information that I have not posted yet :p
[12:34] <lassegul> ive not seen this information
[12:34] <lassegul> this could spare me some work
[12:34] <kwwii> lol, no because I have not posted it
[12:35] <kwwii> I need to specifically define exactly what we want artistically speaking
[12:35] <kwwii> but gutsy is not even out the door yet
[12:35] <nothlit> lassegul: no terlmann's is HardyIdeas lol
[12:35] <lassegul> nothlit: your work looks very similar :D
[12:36] <nothlit> *ehem*
[12:36] <kwwii> damn, this is a hard situation to deal with
[12:36] <kwwii> wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Ideas has some good ideas but I am not sure how many are good for Hardy yet
[12:37] <lassegul> how about you make a hard decision here on what goes, and what doesnt and return a list to me?
[12:37] <kwwii> as far as the ConceptArt goes I would move them to Alternate for now...I do not want people to get the wrong idea and think that they should base their artwork on this
[12:37] <kwwii> ConceptArt sounds to official to me
[12:38] <kwwii> better to move it to Alternate or something else
[12:38] <kwwii> s/to/too
[12:38] <lassegul> everything goes into Alternate for now, and then you move what should be moved ok?
[12:38] <kwwii> now you see why I was hesitant to start posting stuff about hardy so soon
[12:38] <kwwii> ok, sounds good
[12:38] <lassegul> ok then
[12:39] <kwwii> but put a notice on it that it is being moved so that we can create the offical pages
[12:39] <kwwii> not that anyone thinks we are throwing away their ideas
[12:39] <lassegul> sure
[12:39] <kwwii> but once we have posted the official design direction that might be much easier
[12:39] <_MMA_> Haha. Stolen. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialHardyIncoming
[12:39] <_MMA_> /me runs from nothlit.
[12:41] <nothlit> lol i don't mind
[12:41] <_MMA_> ;)
[12:41] <nothlit> takes away your [[BR] ]  smugness ;p
[12:42] <_MMA_> lol
[12:50] <nothlit> _MMA_: your art guidelines are both hilarious and awesome
[12:56] <_MMA_> :)
[01:05] <_MMA_> nothlit: Refresh my page. I think I 1-uped you. ;)
[01:07] <nothlit> lol
[01:07] <nothlit> thanks for grabbing the alignment code so i didn't have to find it :D
[01:08] <_MMA_> ;)
[08:44] <lassegul> good morning
[08:56] <lassegul> if anyone wants to check it out, the wiki was heavily reorganized last night. Check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming. (nothlit has even done magic)
[09:20] <KidProQuo> Hi, I want to change the title of my submission on the Hardy Heron artwork page to something a bit more descriptive. How do I go about that?
[09:21] <coz_> KidProQuo, I personally have no idea but would appreciate a link to the site :)
[09:21] <KidProQuo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate
[09:21] <coz_> KidProQuo, thanks let me go there and look maybe I can find the answer you need :)
[09:22] <KidProQuo> Everything has been moved into their own sub page there from the ideas page.
[09:23] <coz_> KidProQuo, mm   I am not seeing any info on chaning anything it should be easily done if this is like a wiki
[09:25] <KidProQuo> It is a wiki but since it's the name of a whole page that I want to replace, not just a heading within the page, I'm not sure what to do
[09:26] <coz_> KidProQuo, well I logged in and let me check out the options for changes hold on
[09:26] <KidProQuo> cheers
[09:28] <coz_> KidProQuo, sorry  I havent submitted anything so I am probably not able to see any of the edit features avaiable
[09:28] <KidProQuo> No worries, I'll wait until someone a bit more familiar with the system comes online.
[09:29] <KidProQuo> Failing everything else, I could just delete the page and make a new one with the proper title.
[09:29] <KidProQuo> Cheers for trying anyway
[09:29] <coz_> KidProQuo, oh ok i guess that would work also    which one was your submission
[09:30] <lassegul> KidProQuo: you rename the page from the drop-down menuy
[09:31] <KidProQuo> ah, thankyou
[09:31] <lassegul> i did that with about 10 000 pages last night *yawn*
[09:31] <lassegul> sorry if yours got a wierd name.
[09:32] <lassegul> Please add your name to the concept description if it isnt already there. lots of these posts werent signed.
[09:32] <KidProQuo> no worries. I just thought I'd give it a bit more descriptive title than it had
[09:32] <lassegul> which one is yours?
[09:34] <KidProQuo> 'savanna' - the page formerly known as 'DifferentApproach'
[09:35] <KidProQuo> which reminds me, those screenshots are a bit out of date. I should put the new lot up
[11:16] <lassegul> nothlit: are you awake?
[02:48] <nothlit> lassegul: yeah, what do you need
[02:49] <nothlit> lassegul: btw the platypus page has some stuff you didn't use in the reshuffle https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Platypus
[02:49] <nothlit> the center tables for images, the attach list, the attach link for easy use, and the [[Include] ]  for the guidelines
[02:51] <lassegul> yeah I see that now.
[02:51] <lassegul> Does that mean I must redo them all? :/
[02:52] <nothlit> not if you don't feel like it
[02:52] <nothlit> but replace the guidelines with the include
[02:52] <nothlit> so we can easily modify the guidelines
[02:52] <lassegul> Ok. I will.
[02:52] <nothlit> otherwise we'll have to do it per page in the future lol
[02:52] <lassegul> probably smart yes.
[02:53] <lassegul> I put the Hardy/Ideas and Hardy/ConceptArt in Attic, so they wouldnt be used anymore.
[02:53] <lassegul> but is that the right place for them?
[02:53] <nothlit> if you're sure you've moved <everything> out of them
[02:54] <lassegul> not the bug report/feature request.
[02:54] <nothlit> then just clear the pages of content, and if we need do some recovery we can view the revision history
[02:54] <nothlit> and add #DEPRECATED
[02:55] <lassegul> they are already in Attic but you want me to clear content as well? Why not just add deprecated?
[02:55] <nothlit> i'd keep the pages for now (as in not delete them) just in case someone pops up and says we missed something
[02:55] <nothlit> try that first then
[02:56] <lassegul> how do I use #DEPRECATED ? Just add it to the top?
[02:57] <nothlit> yeah
[02:59] <lassegul> the "create new project page" is genious.
[02:59] <nothlit> lol, just browsing through syntax =p
[03:00] <nothlit> i was looking for something else actually =/
[03:00] <lassegul> Yeah but as long as people uses it, everything will be according to the standards.
[03:00] <nothlit> apparently doesn't exist in the exact form i was searching for
[03:03] <lassegul> things like /DVDCover have gone to /Attic. Maybe I should put it back?
[03:04] <nothlit> oh, also, the template page is in the artwork category
[03:04] <nothlit> um, lemme take a second look at the page
[03:06] <nothlit> yeah i guess put it back, feisty is supported for another generation and it might give other people ideas to do it themselves
[03:07] <lassegul> what about those panel theming concepts? Its not like they are connected to Hardy in any way, but they are timeless enough
[03:07] <lassegul> (but so are some of the themes there, I guess)
[03:08] <lassegul> nah, theyll stay in the attic. They havent been touched by others than terlmann in a long while
[03:08] <nothlit> lassegul: btw, my community theme page isn't pregutsy ;p, but it is still old
[03:09] <lassegul> pre-hardy?
[03:10] <nothlit> Everything pre-Gutsy has now gone to /Attic
[03:10] <lassegul> ok, so we should rename it to prehardy then? That will be correct wont it?
[03:11] <lassegul> s/rename/correct/
[03:19] <nothlit> sorry, dc
[03:20] <nothlit> Just say Everything not current has been moved to Attic
[03:21] <lassegul> yeah
[03:25] <nothlit> i'm going to revert GutsyIdeas back to its old location ok? i think people will still want to look at it for now
[03:26] <lassegul> sounds good. starting to edit the alternate pages with dynamic guidelines.
[03:39] <nothlit`alpha> lassegul: i added previous/next links and a siblings navigation at the top as well
[03:40] <lassegul> wow. thats so cool.
[03:40] <lassegul> dont run!
[03:40] <lassegul> :)
[03:41] <lassegul> Ill get it in. Anything else you want before I start editing again :)
[03:45] <nothlit`alpha> yeah, if the wiki wakes up lol
[03:46] <nothlit`alpha> it freezes for minutes, especially on changing preferences
[03:47] <lassegul> whats the idea?
[03:47] <lassegul> what else are you planning on adding?
[03:52] <nothlit`alpha> table of contents and reformatting it so it fits better there
[03:52] <nothlit`alpha> done now i hope
[03:54] <nothlit`alpha> bulleted comments
[03:54] <nothlit`alpha> its fine go ahead, if there are small improvements along the way so what
[03:54] <nothlit`alpha> the other pages are still good
[03:54] <lassegul> looks good. ill add the attachement list as well and bulleted comments.
[03:55] <lassegul> and imagetable etc.
[03:56] <lassegul> hold on a sec. the navigation on the top shows Incoming, not Incoming/Alternate. Shouldnt it do that?
[03:56] <nothlit`alpha> arg, the wiki is annoying, this delay in edit syncing shows funny things sometimes
[03:57] <nothlit`alpha> the navigation will show alternate when the page is in alternate
[03:57] <nothlit`alpha> the template isn't
[03:57] <nothlit`alpha> it shows siblings, the templates siblings are the things in incoming
[03:57] <lassegul> ah right. im forgetting its a redirect.
[03:58] <lassegul> I dont like the image table though. :S
[04:00] <nothlit`alpha> it keeps the images and fullsize/source links organised though, another example of it being used it here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialHardyIncoming
[04:01] <nothlit`alpha> lol, look at what the top of this page says https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Attic/HardyIdeas
[04:02] <lassegul> yes i see. But its a pain in the ass to add them to every picture in here, and are you really sure people will use it? I think the more wiki syntax editing people must use, the more messy its going to get.
[04:02] <lassegul> i came i saw i giggled.
[04:03] <nothlit`alpha> i never noticed that before
[04:03] <nothlit`alpha> if they won't  use it they'll delete it
[04:03] <nothlit`alpha> thats fine if they keep it organised anyways
[04:03] <nothlit`alpha> but if they want to use its there for them
[04:04] <nothlit`alpha> if you want i can put ##comment in about the table use being optional
[04:04] <nothlit`alpha> but, otherwise people just do it row by row like this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Attic/ConceptArt
[04:05] <lassegul> ok im with you. wanna split this task with me? You start in this end  /GTK2Idea1 and ill do the one before that one
[04:06] <nothlit`alpha> oooh ,the next meeting is set
[04:07] <lassegul> s/the one/those/
[04:08] <nothlit> kwwii: so the meeting is during the last day of UDS?
[04:10] <nothlit> lame wiki system... the original ideas page is gone... i moved it to Artwork/Incoming/Attic/Hardy/Ideas, but for some reason it existed in both places, so i deleted the Attic/Ideas and kept Attic/Hardy/Ideas, but they're both gone now
[04:10] <nothlit> probably in some weird wiki sync
[04:11] <nothlit> lassegul: ok starting at GTK2Idea1 and moving down the list
[04:11] <lassegul> nothlit: great!
[04:16] <kwwii> nothlit: not necessarily, I just put that up so that some meeting was somehow planned
[04:17] <kwwii> we might do it one day in advance
[04:17] <kwwii> or perhaps a couple of days later
[04:17] <kwwii> we could also change the time so that other people have a chance to join
[04:18] <lassegul> kwwii: you probably shouldnt let a date that is possibly wrong be public for too long :P
[04:19] <nothlit> i thought you had VoIP planned? or just stick to irc
[04:20] <nothlit> lassegul: i also added example comments, * Comment 1 * Comment 2
[04:21] <kwwii> lassegul: yeah, probably not
[04:21] <kwwii> I'll send an email to the list
[04:23] <lassegul> nothlit: why must you always do better than me! :P
[04:23] <lassegul> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/FreshTheme lol this didnt go so well.
[04:23] <nothlit> lassegul: i'm just more accustomed to the wiki and i can't stop the incessant tweaking
[04:24] <nothlit> lol, well its fixable =p
[04:24] <lassegul> fixed.
[04:25] <nothlit> lassegul: psst, the Fullsize link goes in a second row of the table under the images =p
[04:26] <nothlit> btw bullet points need a space before the * or it becomes an ordinary asterisk
[04:26] <kwwii> erm
[04:27] <nothlit> lassegul: you have guidelines twice and the = = don't match
[04:30] <lassegul> nothlit: I should do this when im not working at the same time. Ill clean up my mistakes, then leave it either for you to fix the rest, or when i get home tonight. This just leaves a mess.
[04:31] <nothlit> kk
[04:31] <nothlit> sorry for the nagging lol
[04:33] <lassegul> nothlit: no no, of course, this must be done right.
[04:39] <nothlit> kwwii: what do we do about damians wallpaper rules? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/WallpaperRules declare them canon? or leave them until you find time to edit it
[04:44] <kwwii> nothlit: I like the basics of what is there but I do not agree with them all
[04:44] <kwwii> so no, they are not canonical, so to speak :p
[04:55] <lassegul> ok. ill leave for a meeting. See you all later tonight.
[04:55] <_MMA_> Bye
[05:28] <_MMA_> kwwii: Hit me up when you're back.
[08:52] <lassegul> re
[08:53] <lassegul> nothlit: you mind checking the syntax on this for me?
[08:53] <lassegul> nothlit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Animals
[08:57] <thorwil> lassegul: interesting concept. i think the 3 flares on the bottom are too much - they get in a fight with the bird over the viewers attention ;)
[08:58] <lassegul> thorwil: its not mine, im just concerned of the wiki syntax
[08:58] <lassegul> thorwil: but i agree :)
[08:58] <lassegul> thorwil: im having trouble with the || || syntax to make tables.
[08:59] <thorwil> lassegul: now that you say ... who's is it, or rather shouldn't that page state that clearly?
[08:59] <nothlit> lassegul: contributions is top level, and you left a trailing space
[09:00] <nothlit> you're missing the attach file link in contributions as well
[09:00] <lassegul> thorwil: it should, but when they dont attach their name to it in the first place it takes some time to get through the revision logs to see who actually uploaded it.
[09:00] <nothlit> and you have leading spaces making funny tabs
[09:00] <lassegul> nothlit: im correcting that as we speak
[09:01] <lassegul> nothlit: funny tabs?
[09:03] <lassegul> nothlit: nm, i understand, but that isnt the reason. look i fixed it now, but the same table appears.
[09:50] <nothlit> lassegul: nm, i fixed it--you forgot about the trailing spaces and watching the concept and reference levels too
[09:50] <lassegul> nothlit: didnt I fix that?
[09:51] <nothlit> lassegul: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Animals?action=diff
[09:51] <lassegul> i see.
[09:51] <nothlit> anyways, i paste in a bare template to a text editor, and then paste in the text from the working page
[09:52] <nothlit> that way i can't make mistakes as easily