[12:37] albert23: motu-uvf & ubuntu-universe-sponsors [12:37] albert23: Sorry. Backported path. Just -sponsors. My mistake. [12:37] s/path/patch/ [12:38] persia: OK. The upstream author is active in the bug, so I will try to get his feedback on it first. [12:38] ScottK: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcommons-modeler-java/+bug/150751 [12:38] Launchpad bug 150751 in libcommons-modeler-java "[gutsy] UVFe for libcommons-modeler-java 2.0.1-3" [Undecided,New] [12:42] pkern: You might mention in the bug that there are no other rdepends, although it may not matter. === astharot [n=sw@defaced.alldas.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === javierder [n=javier@11-153-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pkern thinks that this install log requirement is silly. === pkern has now Tomcat running on his laptop! === minghua [i=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml__ [n=jml@222-155-55-67.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:51] pkern: You I would believe if you say that. Others I want to see the install log. [12:51] pkern: There's other stuff this bug needs too https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess [12:54] ScottK: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat5.5/+bug/150755 [12:54] Launchpad bug 150755 in tomcat5.5 "[gutsy] UVFe for tomcat5.5 5.5.25-1" [Undecided,New] [12:55] *cough* [12:55] IMHO the information in the tomcat5.5 has to be sufficient. [12:56] ScottK: You mean the diffstat and the changelog diff? [12:56] Luckily enough there's no ChangeLog. [12:58] I would say that's unlucky. [12:58] Because the point of the changelog diff is to explain what the changes are for. [12:58] minghua: One step less to do. [12:58] minghua: Well, either you let it through or not. [12:59] There is no such "review all changes" on this package. [12:59] Well, I'm not a motu-uvf member, so I'm just commenting on the side. [01:00] It helps that I don't care about that package. :-P === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] 87 files changed, 14309 insertions(+), 14877 deletions(-) [01:01] Yeah, the diffstat was even truncated. [01:01] ScottK: I won't do that for Tomcat because it's just useless. === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slavi1 [n=slavik@67-100-227-140.adsl.lbdsl.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:08] pkern: Which won't you do? [01:09] pkern: I acked the libwhatever modeler java one. [01:10] You'll need a 2nd ack. zul is probably your best bet this time of day. === minghua looks at bug 150740 and wonders if dholbach has talked with Kmos. [01:11] Launchpad bug 150740 in galculator "[Gutsy] Galculator v1.3.1 is out" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150740 [01:11] whats the easiest way to get pdebuild to pin an other_repo before the official repo ? [01:12] oh hmm, never mind === DaveMorris [n=dave@host-212-158-244-26.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] hey guys, I've got a sharedobject-in-library-directory-not-actually-a-shlib error from lintian, I know the SONAME needs to be set when its compiled. But since the build script is nasty and mainly hand made, can it be done as separate commands after the library has been built? === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.229] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp121-44-55-148.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] zul: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcommons-modeler-java/+bug/150751 [01:20] Launchpad bug 150751 in libcommons-modeler-java "[gutsy] UVFe for libcommons-modeler-java 2.0.1-3" [Undecided,New] === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === predius_ [n=predius@190.8.154.185] has joined #ubuntu-motu === justinwray [n=justinwr@c-68-34-224-91.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TLE [n=kenneth@77.75.167.190] has joined #ubuntu-motu === djennewe [n=djennewe@71-221-57-183.sxfl.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.229] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-113-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans__ [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-afa5a51be743849a] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:08] minghua: Thanks. I notice he forgot to subscribe motu-uvf so I'd not have gotten the chance to say no if you hadn't mentioned it. === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.155.140] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:14] is there a program capable of breaking a patch out into a sort of "tree"? [02:14] like how eclipse and friends will put blocks of code into a + structure [02:17] ScottK: You're welcome, although I'm actually sorry to have bothered you with such things. [02:17] minghua: I have to get my fun somewhere. [02:17] :-) [02:18] So rejecting stupid UVFe requests qualifies as "fun"? :-) [02:18] Pretty sad, isn't it. === ScottK wonders off to read his daughter a bedtime story. === albert23 [n=albert@86.81.99.204] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] Heya folks [02:34] Heya bddebian. [02:35] Hi ScottK [02:35] What damage can we do while it's just us old farts around? [02:36] mwuhahaha [02:36] Tricky changing your nick on OFTC. They'll never know who you are now. === bddebian looks for some random package to upload [02:37] Heh, I didn't even notice that [02:38] OK, so lordsawar is in new now. How many months will that sit there? :-) [02:39] bddebian: It's been running a couple of weeks lately. YMMV. [02:40] bddebian: https://launchpad.net/bugs/150765 is probably worth a UVFe. I doubt the filer knows how to do one. That might be a worthwhile effort. [02:40] Launchpad bug 150765 in fluxbox "WISHLIST: Fluxbox1.0.0 Final included in Gutsy" [Undecided,New] [02:42] Hmm [02:42] Well I see a few on NEW that have been there a couple of months [02:43] Most of those appear to be there for a reason. === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] I just had one go through in less than two weeks. [02:44] Heya jsgotangco [02:44] good morning [02:45] bddebian: Same with another I was keeping an eye on. [02:45] OK [02:46] bddebian: ~two weeks [02:46] bddebian: Longer if you complain about it. [02:46] ScottK: Normally not. ;) [02:47] Longer if there are problems, though. [02:47] pkern: Shhhh. You'll spoil my fun. [02:47] ScottK: FUD about Debian? :-P [02:47] No, just normal Ubuntu tormenting of bddebian. Something completely different. [02:47] That sounds like hel.. [02:48] *hell, not Helsinki... [02:48] pkern: He's old and cranky like me, so I'm pretty suire it's OK. [02:49] He's got a `fanclub'? o_O [02:50] He's 37, that's already `old'? ;) === pkern can't tell. === pkern considers Soyuz buggy. [02:52] There is no need to list tomcat5.5 uploaded to PPA under +packages and link to gutsy's package pages. [02:52] No heart attack because of that yet but well. [02:52] Not healthy neither. [02:54] pkern: PPA is a new thing and yes, it's buggy. Right now if an orig.tar.gz has been uploaded to a PPA, Soyuz will think it has it when doing a sync of a new upstream version and then later on discover it's not in the archive an fail the sync. [02:54] I heared that one, yes. [02:55] That's high on my fun scale, too. [02:55] pkern: It seems to be old for around here. [02:55] It looks like PPA is not decoupled enough. :-P [02:56] But well, it's LP. [02:56] `Create a product for every OS project, stupid!' [02:56] Sure, that won't take much time. [02:57] pkern: How'd you know that? :-) [02:57] bddebian: Behind MOTU know all about you, I'd guess. [02:58] scary [02:58] Hey, if upstream is dead is it still bad form to modify the source directly in Debian? [02:59] xtknight: Your gnome-art patch is filthy. [02:59] Bad form, but not prohibited in Ubunt if it's small. Don't do it in Debian (although I do see Debian maintainers doing this). [02:59] pkern, filthy? === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:59] xtknight: Yes. Now you could argument that the thing you patched is filthy too. [02:59] Gah that sucks especially when it's not using any type of decent patching system :-( === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:01] hm ok [03:02] bddebian: Can't you just add a decent patching system? [03:03] I'm gonna try dpatch now :-) [03:03] dpatch sucks, simple-patchsys sucks much more. [03:03] Yes but I'm not putting quilt on this sucker :) [03:03] xtknight: Actually I wanted to sync the package from Debian. [03:04] xtknight: But it throws a warning because of some spurious whitespace before some parantheses (+spelling). [03:04] And I don't want to hack that bloody patch because the identing is just... weird, and there's no quilt! [03:05] is quilt actually hard to set up? [03:05] Nope. [03:05] what do you suggest? i never could find a good guide for quilt so i just get by w/ diff [03:06] the debdiff doesn't apply? === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:06] xtknight: *will fix* :-P [03:06] xtknight: And thanks for your contribution. [03:07] pkern, what do you mean exactly by will fix ? [03:07] as opposed to "won't fix"? :P [03:07] xtknight: Will fix that issue and upload it. [03:07] oh ok [03:08] bddebian: What package? === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Martinp23 [n=martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:09] pkern, thx for dealing with it, ideally i would use "quilt" but i just dont understand it [03:09] i'm not sure it would create anything different from a typical "diff"? [03:11] xtknight: It does exactly that but it allows me to nicely edit files and to refresh the patch afterwards. [03:11] pkern, my "diff" 'd files are not identical to what quilt would come up with? [03:12] ok; this is getting rather tiring: ive got a package and i'd like to apply a patch to it. the patch applies, but i need to define HAVE_SYS_ACL_H. im totally lost on where / how to add that flag [03:13] pwnguin: At configure time? [03:13] Automatix source for Gutsy is posted on Ubuntu forums if anyone cares. [03:13] theres an aclocal.m4, a configure.h.in, and the directory of the executable i want to build has an Makefile.am [03:13] xtknight: There's a short example of using quilt in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources === Martinp23 [n=martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] Automatix!?!?!?!?! [03:14] automatix was mentioned in a NY times article too :) [03:14] Yeah, that scared the s.... out of me. [03:14] pwnguin: Are you autoreconf-ing/autogen.sh-ing? [03:14] RAOF: no. should i be? === pwnguin isnt very familiar with autoconf [03:15] Automatix source is supposed to be here: http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=45694&d=1191877399 [03:15] persia, cool i will look at it. primarily i am confused about "push" and "pop" reminds me of old calculators [03:15] xtknight: Same semantics [03:15] pkern: They promise they're going to make it not suck and work with us. [03:15] too bad i dont use old calcs ;) [03:15] ScottK: Do they use dpkg? === javierder [n=javier@11-153-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] pwnguin: Well, unless you autoreconf any changes you make to *.ac & *.am won't do anything. [03:16] pkern: In evil ways (at least in the old version). [03:16] ScottK: Like overriding files from other packages? :-P [03:17] IIRC there are over-rides and moving of files. Don't recall for sure if it was from other packages, but wouldn't suprise me. [03:17] My favorite is routinely sigkilling dpkg because it might not be finished on it's own. [03:17] ScottK: colorgcc. I'm supposed to be the maintainer :-) [03:17] ScottK: Nice. [03:17] bddebian: Then you need to patch it. [03:17] "already existing patch" 901_xterm_manpage.diff. this is what i dont understand. if the patch is already there why are we doing "sed -i" ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources ) [03:17] RAOF: is this something that should be done in rules? [03:17] pkern: They promise to have mended their ways. [03:17] also what made that patch and what is in it [03:17] ScottK: I know. :-( Unless I just call myself upstream ;-P [03:18] ScottK: So why didn't they just port RPM and use that instead? That has a history of corrupting things on SIGKILL. ;) [03:18] ScottK: Are they certified? :-P [03:18] xtknight: A previous developer made the patch. You should be able to see it in debian/patches [03:18] pwnguin: Generally, no. If you need to do autofoo you generally stick the changes in a (gigantic) patch. [03:18] persia, oh we are updating his patch? [03:18] didn't see edit, got it now [03:19] that's not so difficult. would be nice if quilt had something like diff Nru so you could do stuff recursively . [03:19] So Tomcat is still running. I guess I will have to reinstall soonish. [03:19] bddebian: Interesting approach to a patch system youve got there... [03:20] pkern: Don't get me started. [03:20] ScottK: I didn't write that :-) [03:20] ScottK: I just installed Gutsy. At that point I need to do that I could just move on. ;) [03:21] I'm not sure Debian would be better though. [03:21] No viable alternative for me for now. [03:22] Oh, great. It seems that with Xgl we can either (1) have the screen turn off after 20 min of inactivity or (2) Never have the screen turn off. [03:22] I would go for `turn the screen off after every inactivity'. [03:22] pkern: ? [03:22] Gaaahhh [03:22] That's somehow missing from the list of options. :-P [03:22] This sucks [03:23] bddebian: Would it be a help to you if I made your debian/rules do dpatch so you could just dpatch-edit-patch? [03:23] I already did that part but now I'm trying to apply the existing patches into dpatches [03:24] Ah. So fire up dpatch-edit-patch and then throw the patches into it with patch. [03:24] That's what I tried [03:25] DIdn't work? [03:25] I ended up with some weirdass colorgcc.orig file [03:25] ScottK: The experience is a regression compared to what I had before, sadly enough. Ok, most could be deduced to fglrx. === DaveMorris [n=dave@host-212-158-244-26.bulldogdsl.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o gnomefreak] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+b *!*n=wii@*.abo.wanadoo.fr] by gnomefreak === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o gnomefreak] by ChanServ [03:32] o_O [03:37] pkern: Lesson there is don't talk mean to gnomefreak. [03:38] StevenK: pkern has done us the favor of fixing Tomcat (and a bunch of CVEs), but he needs a couple of UVFe's approved.... [03:38] Yay [03:38] Bug #150751 [03:38] Launchpad bug 150751 in libcommons-modeler-java "[gutsy] UVFe for libcommons-modeler-java 2.0.1-3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150751 [03:38] ScottK: keeping bad trolls out [03:38] A couple. Yeah, exactly two. [03:38] very bad ones [03:39] Cool. [03:39] Wouldn't the appropriate way on Freenode be a KLINE? ;) [03:39] StevenK: and Bug #150755 [03:39] Launchpad bug 150755 in tomcat5.5 "[gutsy] UVFe for tomcat5.5 5.5.25-1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150755 [03:39] Beware. Here might be dragons. [03:39] pkern: not really we tried that [03:40] pkern: this is someone from a few nights ago [03:40] Gah, WTF, why does it keep creating these damn foo.orig files === jekil [n=alessand@host103-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] bddebian: It's the fuzz === jdong_ [n=dizzle@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] ScottK, pkern: Both bugs rubber stamped - be sure to get libcommons-modeler-java sync'd before you upload the merge of tomcat5.5 [03:42] StevenK: Thanks. [03:43] StevenK: Sure, thanks. [03:43] pkern: libcommons-modeler-java was a sync, right? [03:44] Yes. [03:46] persia: Can I just whack them? [03:48] bddebian: If you're running a patch system, and it's generating .orig files, it usually means the patches don't quite match (fuzz). If the results are acceptable (.rej is missing, usually), you can kill the .orig files. If you're encountering fuzz, it's best practice to refresh the patches to not get the fuzz, and apply cleanly. (In short: "yes, but...") [03:48] Yeah, I get succeeded at offset foo :-( === apachelogger_ [n=me@N765P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:49] There's something that can rejig patch files... [03:49] Isn't the whole point of dpatch-edit-patch to only write back what I changed? [03:50] bddebian: There's nice tools (look in patchutils), but I usually just use edit-foo-patch, apply the old patch, clean up the result, clobber .orig & .rej, and exit to get a refreshed patch. [03:50] dpatch-edit-patch shouldn't write patches that apply with fuzz. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] Ah. In the dpatch-edit-patch session, delete the .orig files after cleaning the fuzz to generate clean patches. [03:51] I did that but my second patch still gives Succeeded at offset... :-( [03:52] bddebian: dpatch-edit-patch is generating fuzz? [03:52] It seems that way [03:52] bddebian: Is there something else changing the sources prior to dpatch application? [03:53] I don't think so === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia is confused. === bddebian too === Hobbsee changes everyone's language, so they're more confused. [03:54] kanji? [03:55] Hi Hobbsee :-) [03:55] bddebian: Just to make sure, your procedure has been 1) unpack the package, 2) extract the old patches, 3) dpatch-edit-patch $patchname, 4) apply the old patches, 5) clean the fuzz, 6) exit, 7) run build? [03:55] Hey Hobbsee [03:55] [03:55] persia: Aye, one at a time === ScottK2 [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:56] Well I didn't build between patch 1 and patch 2 [03:56] Right. Iteration over the patches for steps 3-6. [03:56] Aye [03:57] hiya! [03:57] persia: I like that exclamation mark. [03:58] double-byte is always better [03:58] Google only know Japanese, not Chinese. [03:58] persia: Yeah but the spacing is wrong in Latin scripts and... WTH, ANOTHER CODEPOINT!? [03:58] persia: But it makes sense looking at Japanese. [03:59] pkern: The spacing is why you need another codepoint. The idea is to differentiate between things that should take as much space as a calligraphic character (1:1) and things that only need half the space (2:1). === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host72-133-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] persia: Yeah. But well, I'm using a monospace font anyway. :-P [04:02] There is still an archive admin awake. I'd guess it's Steve. [04:02] pkern: Doesn't '' render differently than '!',even in your monospace font? [04:02] persia: It does. [04:02] persia: Depends on the font. [04:02] persia: Point is that "half the space" is mood on a monospace font. But it's indeed placed differently within the fixed width place. [04:03] It renders pretty much the same here. [04:03] minghua: Really? I didn't know there were any fonts that rendered full-width characters as half-width. [04:03] Does this look normal?: [04:03] dpatch deapply-all -v [04:03] reverting patch 01_split_non_quoted from ./ ... [04:03] patching file colorgcc [04:03] persia: not width, but the shape is pretty much the same. [04:03] persia: Hm ok you are right. === pkern is tired. 4:03 local time. [04:03] minghua: Ah. Yes. [04:04] oh, fricking kmos [04:04] *again*? [04:04] What's he done? [04:04] Hobbsee: What now? [04:04] persia: And actually, I've seen some broken font that renders half-width stuff the same as full-width ones. [04:04] No no, *STILL*? [04:04] just his filing this galculator bug. [04:04] That's to be rejected, no? [04:04] Oh. That one. You saw my response, right? [04:04] ScottK: you've seen it [04:04] persia: of course [04:04] ScottK: mine was better. === ScottK looks. [04:05] minghua: I've seen that a lot: silly people who don't use roman scripts. [04:05] Well... if you call majority of 15 billion Chinese stupid people... [04:05] 15 billion you say? [04:05] 1.5 billion, sorry. === StevenK grins [04:06] minghua: Not stupid: only silly, in reference to font design. [04:06] stupid western units. [04:06] minghua: Careful there: almost 3 million people use western units [04:06] In Chinese we use 10000, then 100000000 as units. [04:06] s/million/billion/ [04:06] 2.9 billion of those use them incorrectly. :-P [04:06] Hobbsee: You need to lobby your LP dev friends to add Importance "Insane". [04:07] ScottK: Does that fall beneath wishlist? [04:07] persia: Yes. [04:07] ScottK: haha [04:08] Then lobby them to make all jdong's bugs default to that importance. ;-) [04:08] haha [04:08] !jdong | jdong [04:08] jdong: jdong is Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK! [04:08] Hobbsee: Did you see the Automatix devs posted their source to the forum thread? === jdong files more bugs :) [04:09] Hah. [04:09] ScottK: yeah, i saw something like that [04:09] More buuuuuugs! [04:09] i'm still interested in their definition of 'fixed' [04:09] (Now let that b sound like a d...) [04:09] Or rather dr. === pkern is silly. [04:11] So now's the time to talk him into uploading stuff to Debian.... [04:12] If that would work... [04:12] Ah, 2 for 2, here goes #3 :) [04:12] ScottK: If you suggest me, or rather my eyes, that you're bddebian... :-P Or rather the person who tries. === bddebian doesn't get that [04:14] bddebian: It's 4AM where he is. I'm not sure there's much more than that to get. [04:14] heh [04:14] "Why are we still awake?" "I won't tell you!" [04:14] Yes. The joys of life at University. === ScottK has vague recollections of those. [04:15] Speaking of which, I think I'll go get a drink. [04:15] Hm. I could fetch me a beer. That would be a deal at least. [04:16] The free bear^Hbeer that was promised for the attendance of the last MOTU meeting didn't ship yet. [04:16] The free beabeer ? [04:17] As long as the free bear comes with a cage, I'm ok. [04:18] How big is this bear, and can you mail it? [04:18] pkern: That was only a resolution to provide fee bears to regular attendees, for future meetings. Ship dates require further discussion. [04:19] ScottK: Be careful, nobody promised the cage is free. [04:19] I expect if it makes it to the house without the driver being eaten, I'll be safe enough. [04:19] It'd be a good thing to threaten the kids with anyway... [04:20] "If you don't behave, I'll send you to the bear..." [04:20] hahaha [04:20] ScottK: CAREBEARSTARE [04:20] I'm fairly certain I don't want to understand that. [04:20] "Papa, may I snuggle against that bear? It looks cuddly!" [04:21] It's just a big version of teddy. [04:21] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Care_Bears [04:21] I was afraid you were headed in that direction. [04:21] The Care Bears' ultimate "weapon" is the "Care Bear Stare," in which the collected Bears stand together and radiate light from their respective tummy symbols. These combine to form a ray of love and good cheer which could bring care and joy into the target's heart. [04:21] One of our German au pairs was a HUGE Care Bear fan and so I'm already overexposed. [04:22] pkern: Sounds perfect for Ubuntu though. [04:22] ScottK: Fine. I only know the "movies" they depicted on TV. [04:22] ScottK: Teletubbies? [04:22] Gah. [04:22] Fortunately my youngest (4) is to old for teletubbies. [04:22] Be nice to eachother! Time for Teletubiies! [04:23] heh [04:23] pkern: You need to talk to bddebian. IIRC he's the teletubbies fan. [04:23] Nah, poobah ;-P [04:23] Or boopah or whatever the hell those evil things are called [04:23] The maker of lists? === pkern hasn't yet realised that he isn't a teenie anymore. === pkern is Grumpy Bear. [04:25] My wife thinks it is boobah === ScottK agrees with bddebian's wife and if he knows what's good for him, he will too. === Hobbsee thinks you people are scary. === ScottK pauses to ponder considering who just said that. [04:27] Hobbsee: Who said MOTU wasn't fun any more... [04:28] Hobbsee: Kettle for you, line 2. [04:28] ScottK: heh [04:28] StevenK: hmmm? [04:28] ScottK: I've changed my ways ;-) [04:28] Kettle Pot Black? [04:28] Hobbsee: As in, "Pot. Kettle. Black." [04:28] Something like that. [04:28] ah, yes. === luisbg [n=d33p@ubuntu/member/luisbg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Whoopie_ [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:29] Holy crap, 3 for 3, thanks persia === persia disclaims any responsibiliy [04:29] s/iy/ity/ [04:29] pfft [04:30] persia: I saw you were one of the recent uploaders for fluxbox. Would you take a look at Bug #150765 and turn it into a UVFe if you think it's worthwhile? [04:30] Launchpad bug 150765 in fluxbox "WISHLIST: Fluxbox1.0.0 Final included in Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150765 === persia doesn't remember fluxbox [04:31] Sure you do. "Short, skinny, looks like a weasel" [04:31] Unless I got it wrong, upload before last was yours. [04:31] WISHLIST: Please release Gutsy bug-free and usable for everyone, that would solve bug #1, kthxbye. [04:31] Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [04:31] *cough* [04:32] if that was the goal [04:32] then i think compiz was a mistake [04:32] It was. [04:32] Who seriously doubts that? [04:32] And anyway: I don't have any compiz. I'm on fglrx, screwing my laptop. [04:33] After using a Mac for a while, I look forward to compiz working. [04:33] compiz is frustrating. 20 percent is great and awesome [04:33] the other 80 needs some love [04:33] After using a Mac for a while I would appreciate SUSPEND. === ScottK doesn't have anything capable of it and is happy for that. [04:33] well, they didnt want to drop it *three* releases in a row === ScottK doesn't need bling, just getting work done. [04:33] Maybe he should think before speaking more then Hobbsee ? ;) [04:33] anyone else know if bcm43xx-fwcutter is broken on purpose? [04:34] it puts the fw in /lib/firmware [04:34] Well then put the money where the mouth is, cuz clearly upstream isn't living up to the high goals people put on Ubunut [04:34] tonyyarusso: well, it's hard to tell how fast things will move [04:34] not in /lib/firmware/`uname -r` [04:34] I'm going to treat compiz like metacity - if it doesn't get in my way or annoy me, it can stay. [04:34] Hobbsee: true - still a bit premature I'd say [04:34] StevenK: Sounds about right. [04:34] ScottK: Ah. I just requested a sync. I'll take a look at it, but I've never dug into the code, so no guarantees. [04:35] Does compiz work sanely with workspaces yet? [04:35] tonyyarusso: no [04:35] persia: It needs a UVFe. [04:35] poningru: bah. Then it will get in my way. [04:35] tonyyarusso: it cant do mouse scroll [04:35] ScottK: Also packaging. Debian only has 1.0~rc3-5 [04:35] but otherwise itsgotten pretty sane [04:35] ScottK: You're blocking real work and willingly people, ain't you? ;) [04:35] persia: Ah. [04:35] pkern: I am? [04:36] like each workspace == one side on the cube/triangle etc. [04:36] ScottK: "I do $foo." "That will need a UVFe!" That's spoiling the fun! ;) [04:36] pkern: Ah. I'd think you being German and all would like all the forms filled out ;-) [04:36] Even Soyuz wants us to think that gutsy is frozen. [04:36] ScottK: Could you subscribe me to 150765? The "subscribe to" link doesn't render in Safari :( [04:37] ScottK: With my Debian hat... probably. :-P [04:37] ScottK: But Ubuntu is pure... love. :-P [04:37] Soyuz doesn't know from Universe/Main. [04:37] pkern: yes, but soyuz is brain-dead in a fair few places, so... [04:37] (Which is irrational, of course.) [04:37] persia: Sure. [04:37] Hobbsee: Welcome to `software as a service'. [04:37] yeah, well. [04:37] ScottK: Thanks. I'll confirm assignment (or lack thereof) in ~12 hours. [04:38] persia: Subscribed. [04:38] pkern: Very good. You're pretty new here, but you got it already. [04:39] ScottK: My pleasure. [04:39] (If that was the right term, don't know.) [04:39] pkern: Actually for the UVFe persia's looking at, I'd take "I looked at it and we should do it" without all the paperwork (much as I did your Tomcat UVFe). [04:39] Sure. [04:40] Somebody else must have solved the paperwork for me. [04:40] For Tomcat. I don't have a clue about that. [04:40] Somebody said `it's easy'. === persia notes that if someone else packages and does the admin for fluxbox first, there'll be no complaints [04:40] victory! [04:41] well, it builds at least. no idea if the package works [04:41] testing is for users =) [04:41] heh [04:41] Users will iron it out! [04:41] fortunately, I are one [04:42] But OTOH there are 18186 new bugs reported against Ubuntu, and 33839 bugs open. [04:42] And only two are assigned to me. Heh. And probably only because they are incomplete. === persia is impressed that the level of open bugs has remained static for the past ~8 months. Something is being done right. [04:43] pkern: Amen brother :-( [04:46] persia: But http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/ says in the past six months open bug number grew from 20,000 to 30,000? === ScottK is stunned to note that the last bug listed in #ubuntu-bugs right now is a compiz bug.... [04:47]