=== PanzerMKZ [i=Panzer@05-080.136.popsite.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === wpen [i=wpen@34.sub-75-216-0.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === Roge [n=roger@CPE001346ca56d1-CM00122540214a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === pike_ [n=happy@74-140-134-102.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === justinwray [n=justinwr@c-68-34-224-91.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === pike_ [n=happy@74-140-134-102.dhcp.insightbb.com] has left #ubuntu-server [] === YourMomsHero [n=cirish@74.202.196.195] has left #ubuntu-server [] === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.155.140] has joined #ubuntu-server === Roge [n=roger@CPE001346ca56d1-CM00122540214a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === mindframe_ [n=mindfram@ip72-207-244-33.br.br.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === sahafeez [n=sahafeez@ip68-6-212-9.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === halcyonCorsair [n=halcyonC@galaxy.liverton.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:39] nealmcb: uh... when/where for the colorado loco party? === Dessan [n=andrew@ip70-191-201-165.pn.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === WaVeR [n=Cobra@ubuntu/member/waver] has joined #Ubuntu-Server === PanzerMKZ [i=Panzer@08-183.136.popsite.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@33-189.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-server === maeth [n=maeth@pc-110-15-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [07:52] how can i install a VPN on my ubuntu machine? [07:56] there are 3 vpns ubuntu supports - pptp, openvpn and vpnc [07:57] which one do you want. do you need server or a client? [07:59] ivoks, need pptp, i already installed pptpd package [07:59] great, then you just need to create a user [08:01] in /etc/ppp/chap-secrets [08:01] and edit /etc/pptpd.conf [08:01] ivoks, ok , thnx ... gonna check [08:04] <_ruben> ivoks: and there's openswan, atleast its listed with apt-cache search [08:04] _ruben: right, ipsec also === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-server [08:11] ivoks, can you help me with the configuring? [08:11] ivoks, how do i set more users? [08:11] add them to chap-secrets [08:12] [username] pptpd [password] * [08:13] ivoks, with the " [ ] " ?? [08:14] without [] [08:14] but you should add "" [08:14] ""? where? [08:14] example: [08:14] like this "username"? [08:14] "ivoks" pptpd "secretpassword546;" * [08:15] ; that too? [08:15] sorry for the noob questioning [08:15] in this example, ; is part of password [08:15] ivoks, k.. done :D [08:15] ivoks, thnx [08:18] ivoks, once created the user, i need to restart the service? [08:21] no need to do that [08:21] ivoks, didnt worked :S [08:22] check yor syslog [08:58] moin [09:25] <_ruben> gug [09:37] Good morning. [09:40] Morning soren :) [09:40] Hi, Menza :) === oly_mk2 [n=oly@62.7.224.200] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@36-60.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-server === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-server [12:14] why is /boot/grub/menu.lst world readable? [12:15] :) [12:15] ivoks: it is not :-) [12:16] well, i have unusal ubuntu here then :D [12:16] it is, on all my ubuntus :) [12:16] no, you have the usual. I have changed some permissions where it makes sence on my server thou ;-) [12:17] but we should do this by default :/ [12:17] why? [12:17] people would like to set passwords for grub [12:17] is there really a need before you add a password in there? [12:17] this is not about me :D [12:18] but people do want password there and don't have a clue that other users can read that file === Nafallo thinks we should add the users password in there and not have it world-readable btw ;-) [12:18] that would be great, yes [12:19] and would require changes to passwd and useradd [12:19] oh? [12:20] or update-grub should read if password is set, and chmod 640 it [12:21] that would be cleaner in my mind indeed... [12:21] grep ^password ;-) [12:21] something like that... :) [12:22] todo for 8.04 :) [12:23] add it to the Serverteams ideas wikipage :-) [12:23] :D [12:23] and if we haven't got one, create one ;-) [12:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/HardyIdeaPool [12:23] oooh [12:23] kewl! [12:24] hm, would that be packaging or feature? :) [12:24] hehe. and hardy cause we will have apport rolled out for the whole of mains servers? ;-) [12:24] it's hashed with md5, isn't it? [12:24] both :-) [12:24] ajmitch: you can choose to do that indeed. [12:25] ajmitch: it can be, but it's not by default [12:25] probably a good default to have [12:25] and... anyway, shadow isn't world-readable [12:25] agreed [12:25] hmm [12:25] imho, we should chmod it [12:26] we should probably not set a password in there thou... [12:26] sometimes you need remote hands... [12:27] that's design problem, world-readable password is security problem [12:27] yea :-) [12:27] lets start with chmod if ^password [12:27] if you need remote hands, don't put password there :D [12:27] exactly :-) [12:28] I could probably set it on all the London-based servers thou ;-) [12:28] which is all of them for now. [12:28] MY systems... === Nafallo gets the crazy look [12:29] grub: protect menu.lst from eyes of the world (chmod 640) if password is set [12:29] there... [12:30] an idean in the pool :) [12:30] could we task sabdfl to negotiate x86 and x86_64 support of Dells tools on the serverside btw? ;-) [12:31] hmm. what is it with all the hype around Zimbra? [12:31] marketing === Nafallo tries the online demo [12:33] ehrm [12:33] this does hell of a lot more then roundcube :-P [12:33] :D [12:33] and it has taskfreak built-in ;-) [12:34] and IM :-D [12:34] :-O even [12:34] what kind of IM is it? [12:34] XMPP? [12:34] yeah [12:34] (iirc) [12:35] bad thing with zibra atm is that it installs it's own java and services [12:36] if it is I love it and might even ask my boss to spend some time at for hardy [12:37] hm... [12:37] i'm not sure it includes IM [12:38] the online demo had that. [12:39] but they have five editions of the server so.. ;-) [12:40] yes, for MSN and AIM [12:40] oh :-/ [12:40] AOL, even [12:40] where did you find that? ;-) [12:41] on online demo :) [12:41] IM [12:41] and then look at bottom right corner [12:43] to bad they haven't got YIM, since that seems to be what my company is based on right now. [12:43] or IRC! :-) [12:44] anyway... [12:44] http://www.zimbra.com/forums/developers/45-xmpp-jabber-integration.html === Tig| [n=gclarke@62.249.205.2] has joined #ubuntu-server [12:47] kinky! [12:47] oh! and Yahoo bought it. [12:47] right [12:47] something tells me we will see YIM in there soonish ;-) [12:48] Hi everyone, I am still having procmail/postfix issues :) I think I have tracked it down to postfix not invoking procmail, I have mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION" in my main.cf but I can't find any mention in the mail.log at all, any ideas? [12:49] I have restarted postfix etc :) [12:49] do you have procmail installed? [12:49] yep :) and runs fine from the command line [12:50] I have run : procmail DEFAULT=/dev/null VERBOSE=yes /dev/null and nothing like: [12:50] (delivered to command: procmail -a "$EXTENSION") [12:50] in mail.log? [12:51] nope, no mention of procmail at all [12:51] which is slightly baffling [12:51] Mail is delivered and going through fine [12:51] ok, try like this: [12:52] does it have to be in master.cf anywhere? [12:53] mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION" /etc/procmailrc [12:53] no [12:53] thanks will try that :) [12:54] hm... hm... [12:54] mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION" -m /etc/procmailrc [12:56] alas still nothing in the logs :( [12:57] sec, phone [12:57] no problem, thanks for the help :) === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-server === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-server === CrummyGummy [n=CrummyGu@dsl-242-12-54.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-server [01:14] ok... [01:14] postconf | grep mailbox_command [01:14] what does this return? [01:14] or postconf mailbox_command [01:18] sorry back now :) [01:19] mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION" -m /etc/procmailrc [01:19] mailbox_command_maps = [01:21] ok, that looks ok [01:22] when you grep 'develiered to' your /var/log/mail.log, what does it return? === Nafallo skims through anything having Dell in the Subject on ubuntu-server [01:23] Nafallo: it would be very hard to get ubuntu-server on dell servers [01:23] ivoks: oh? [01:23] ivoks: why is that? [01:23] politics :D [01:24] dell has relations with redhat and novell, and adding ubuntu there... hm... well, it's worth trying... [01:24] or just buy them bare and install it yourself :) [01:25] Tig|: did you grep /var/log/mail.log? [01:25] yep [01:25] and? [01:25] just sanitising some of the data in it :) [01:25] there are lots of entries [01:25] ok :) [01:25] ivoks: I don't need it fully supported. but I think it would be worthwhile to bring up providing official debs for their tools. [01:26] only one would be enough [01:26] Nafallo: that would surly be a step in right direction [01:26] Oct 8 14:06:49 telinf postfix/local[7920] : 173B4204608: to=, relay=local, delay=0.95, delays=0.18/0.01/0/0.77, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/bin/rt-mailgate-3.6 --queue '! New Requests !' --action correspond --url http://foo.com/) [01:26] surly? is this a word? :) [01:26] ivoks: I think they are committed to do it if someone steps up to talk to them as well. [01:26] ivoks: surely ;-) [01:26] ah, thanks [01:27] Tig|: well, your mail is forwarded to that /usr/bin/rt-mailgate-3.6 [01:27] yep that is done in aliases === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-server [01:27] Tig|: if that thing doesn't return mail to postfix, then postfix can't use procmail [01:28] hmm [01:28] wouldn't procmail do the filtering before it goes to the alias? [01:28] no [01:28] aha! [01:29] right I will have to bounce it through a different address first :) [01:29] even better [01:29] create procmail rule to send a copy to that service [01:31] ah that would do it, I can create a global procmail that will send it to the right aliases, it only has to last a couple of weeks :) [01:31] <_ruben> Dell is already shipping Ubuntu desktop right? So why not server as well ;-) [01:31] wonderful :) thanks for that I don't think I am going mad now :) [01:31] _ruben: my thought as well. [01:31] longer period of support [01:32] but, we should try, i'm all for that [01:32] _ruben: and linux.dell.com seems to lean in the direction that they want to provide debs. [01:32] <_ruben> im in the process of testing ubuntu server on a poweredge860 here at work [01:32] Right I am going to get some lunch, thanks for your help :) [01:32] Tig|: enyoj [01:32] <_ruben> lets check that url [01:32] enjoy even [01:32] to bad their BMC hangs in 64-bit on dapper. [01:32] _ruben: I have ubuntu-server running on 1850s and 1855s if that helps :) [01:33] I have it on 2850s [01:33] i have it on 1600SC, 1500SC and 1435SC [01:33] and smaller machines... want the heck are they called again ;-) [01:34] SC1425 [01:34] <_ruben> we currently run novell's SLES9 on SC1425's and PE860's [01:34] eh.. and 1650 too :D [01:34] <_ruben> sc1425 is retired tho [01:34] I need to document what systems we have before it's to late... === asisak [i=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-server [01:35] <_ruben> hehe [01:35] in company i worked before, first thing to do was replace suse with (at first) debian and (later) ubuntu :) [01:36] 20-30 machines [01:37] <_ruben> here we started with slackware (4.0, before i even worked here) .. then debian potato, followed by woody .. then sarge took too long to become stable and we really needed a 2.6 kernel, so the decision was made to go with SLES9 .. now im investigating a possible move from SLES9 to Ubuntu === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #ubuntu-server [01:41] maybe we should, for a start, edit http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu-server [01:42] and even create remastered CD with as few as possible questions [01:48] ivoks: add to ideas :-) [01:48] Nafallo: :D [01:50] bbl === Nafallo goes throu systems and lists on a wiki where they are, what hardware it is and what hostname they have === AnRkey [n=AnRkey@host-83-146-42-229.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === Drazha is now known as Drazha[away] === ivoks [n=ivoks@36-60.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === mralphabet [n=username@71-10-125-165.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-server === asisak [i=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-server === PanzerMKZ [i=Panzer@06-172.136.popsite.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === Gargoyle [n=gargoyle@pdpc/supporter/student/Gargoyle] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:38] Hello [03:38] hi [03:40] Anyone use vmware? [03:40] Yes. [03:40] god, no :D [03:41] <_ruben> heh [03:41] soren: You us ubuntu host, and other guests? [03:41] <_ruben> i am, but not on ubuntu, yet [03:41] *use [03:42] Just wondering how others find the stability/performance of it? [03:43] Gargoyle: Both stability and performance is fine, IMO. [03:43] <_ruben> stability: no problems .. performance: highly depends on the use of it [03:45] Probably 4 guests. 2 win 2k3 server and 2 linux. [03:47] at the same time? [03:47] <_ruben> shouldnt be a problem, but also highly depends on the hardware you want to run it on, and how heavy the virtual servers' load will be [03:49] What is the reason for apt not updating my linux-image-server package? [03:50] apt-get upgrade never installs new packages [03:50] apt-get dist-upgrade installs new packages if needed [03:51] Well, the vmware installer wants to build a module so I installed the linux-headers-server package, and it's telling me the headers are for a diff version than my running kernel [03:51] right [03:51] run apt-get dist-upgrade [03:52] ahh [03:52] sweet [03:53] Is dist-upgrade needed just for kernel updates? === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-server === asisak [i=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:53] Gargoyle: Mostly, yes. The kernel packages change their name when the ABI changes. [03:53] yes, and when using beta version of ubuntu :D [03:54] ivoks: I was going to try the 7.10 beta, but it couldn't find the network cards in the server! [03:55] ?! [03:55] what kind of network cards are they? [03:55] I'll tell you once its rebooted with 6.10 [03:55] I thin broadcom [03:56] it didn't work during installation or after it? [03:56] It worked during the install [03:56] but not after the reboot === dendrobates [n=dendroba@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:58] Oh no, Intell pro/1000 [03:58] jeez, my typing is bad today. [03:58] that's ok [03:58] that's bug which is fixed [03:59] ahh. [03:59] they were working after install too, but were eth2 and eth3, not eth0 and eth1 :D [04:00] Well, I noticed under vmware fusion on my mac, it was eth1. but I didn't try eth2 or 3 [04:00] :D === Roge [n=roger@CPE001346ca56d1-CM00122540214a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:02] If my host was using bonded nics, can vmware use the bond instead of each card? [04:03] i think that should be possible, but i don't use vmware :) [04:03] <_ruben> never tried that either [04:04] well, kvm can do that :D [04:04] I'll add it to my experiment list! [04:04] :) [04:04] ivoks: Can kvm do a remote console? [04:04] instead of eth0 and eth1, it should use bond0 [04:04] remote console? [04:05] with kvm it's possible to move running system from one computer to the other :D [04:06] In vmware I can use the vmware console on my pc to manage/install the virtual machines on the server without needing to install a gui environment on the server. [04:06] What is the ubuntu equiv of inetd / xinetd? [04:07] Gargoyle: well, of course you can do that with kvm :) export DISPLAY etc [04:07] Gargoyle: we don't use any by default, but both inetd and xinetd are available in repos [04:08] or, yeah... you can use vnc with kvm [04:09] ivoks: before the OS is installed? [04:09] yes [04:09] ohhh [04:09] cool [04:10] because vmware is being a bitch! === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@ubuntu/member/mathiaz] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:16] Gargoyle, you could always try virtualbox [04:26] vbox looks OK. Does it need a gui on the host? [04:38] right, vmware has been binned for being an arse to install! === grint_ [n=grint@87.240.15.4] has joined #ubuntu-server === dendrobates [n=dendroba@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === `6og [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-server === benlake [n=benlake@70.254.182.160] has joined #ubuntu-server === dantalizing [n=upirc@m4d5e36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === dantalizing [n=chatzill@n128-227-83-153.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:11] Server Team meeting wow at #ubuntu meeting. All invited. [05:12] #ubuntu-meeting === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-server === `6og [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-server === nealmcb_ [n=neal@ubuntu/member/nealmcb] has joined #ubuntu-server === nny [n=scott@64.203.239.83.static-pool-4.pool.hargray.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:44] any way to just get the mpg123 package in 6.06 server without xmms? [05:45] apt-get install mpg123? [05:45] nay [05:46] may just get the source and compile, asterisk is picky about the version === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.121.252] has joined #ubuntu-server === Roge [n=roger@CPE001346ca56d1-CM00122540214a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === roger_ [n=roger@CPE001346ca56d1-CM00122540214a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === YourMomsHero [n=cirish@74.202.196.195] has joined #ubuntu-server === roger__ [n=roger@CPE001346ca56d1-CM00122540214a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@36-60.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host123-95-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-server [06:40] nny: you just have to apt-get install mpg123. It's in multiverse (so check multiverse repository is activated) === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host123-95-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-server ["Ex-Chat"] === Bambi_BOFH [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-server [06:55] lionel: thanks, no need, the software i use needs the real 123 software, not 321 symlinked, i got it === nny [n=scott@64.203.239.83.static-pool-4.pool.hargray.net] has left #ubuntu-server [] [06:55] nny: mpg123 in multiverse is the real mpg123 no symlink [06:56] well, have gone... === osmosis [n=steven@63.139.86.3] has joined #ubuntu-server === AnRkey [n=AnRkey@87-194-62-131.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-server === Styles [n=Styles@67.138.244.194] has joined #ubuntu-server === coNP [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-server === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-server === mdz_ [n=mdz@ip-81-1-105-230.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [08:54] mathiaz: when testing ISOs when it says CD self-check is that done automatically? [08:54] or is there an options somewhere I missed [08:54] sommer: when you boot the cd [08:54] sommer: you have the option to test the iso. [08:55] ah okay... I missed it than. [08:55] /than/then [08:56] sommer: instead of 'install to hard disk' you can 'check the iso' [08:56] cool, thanks mathiaz === ivoks [n=ivoks@4-8.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === er [n=dendroba@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === roger_ [n=roger@CPE001346ca56d1-CM00122540214a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === roger__ [n=roger@CPE001346ca56d1-CM00122540214a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === dendrobates [n=dendroba@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [09:25] mathiaz: What was the "Change MTA for Hardy" discussion about. I appear to have missed that. [09:26] ScottK: it'S the dependency on a m-t-a [09:26] ScottK: so that we can set a default mta to postfix [09:26] Ah. That discussion. OK. [09:26] THanks. [09:26] ScottK: and debian can set it to exim if they want. [09:27] Right. I remember now. === dendro [n=dendroba@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === dendrobates [n=dendroba@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [09:49] good morning === roger_ [n=roger@CPE001346ca56d1-CM00122540214a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-server