[01:38] <NullName> Anyone know why I cant hear the sound on rm movie files? I'm using realplayer for linux and it isnt working
[01:45] <pike_> NullName: id try mplayer perhaps
[01:57] <pike_> mayhaps
[02:52] <Pici> Hmm.. It seems there is another project going by the Xubuntu name.
[02:53] <Zach_07> Here is my current situation: I want to access a file called wine.sh located at my e:\ and I want to access it with Xubuntu, So does anyone know how to do this?
[02:56] <Zach_07> ??
[02:56] <Catoptromancy> Zach_07,  /media
[02:56] <Zach_07> whats that mean?
[02:56] <Catoptromancy> the / is root
[02:57] <Catoptromancy> and media is media directory
[02:57] <Catoptromancy> in there you find flash drives
[02:57] <Zach_07> so how can I access e:\ in Xubuntu?
[02:57] <Catoptromancy> errr
[02:57] <Zach_07> for xbox
[02:57] <Zach_07> that is
[02:57] <Catoptromancy> is it on harddrive?
[02:57] <Zach_07> yes my hd is split into c d e f g
[02:58] <Catoptromancy> is it fat32 ?
[02:58] <Zach_07> no fatx( xbox's fat32)
[02:58] <Catoptromancy> can you even have that many partitions?
[02:58] <Zach_07> yes
[02:58] <Catoptromancy> i always thought limit was 4
[02:58] <Zach_07> not because microsofts fatx supports that
[02:58] <Catoptromancy> well it should be in /media
[02:58] <Catoptromancy> xbox is connected to pc?
[02:58] <Zach_07> ok Ill try that
[02:58] <Zach_07> no
[02:59] <Zach_07> I modded my xbox
[02:59] <Zach_07> and added 120gb hd
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> xubuntu running on xbox?
[02:59] <Pici> Is Xubuntu the same as this xUbuntu?
[02:59] <Zach_07> Yes by DVD
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> heh
[02:59] <Pici> http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/XUbuntu ?? is the site that Zach_07 linked me in #ubuntu
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> Zach_07,  if its not in media
[02:59] <Zach_07> Ya thats for xbox Ubuntu
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> you need not mount it
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> need to
[03:00] <Zach_07> Pici: xUbuntu is for xbox and Xubuntu is for pc
[03:00] <Pici> Zach_07: Well thats confusing.
[03:00] <Zach_07> I know
[03:01] <Zach_07> Catoptromancy: what do I need to do?
[03:01] <Catoptromancy> im not quite sure
[03:01] <Catoptromancy> but look ib /media first
[03:01] <Zach_07> ok Ill check it out now
[03:01] <Catoptromancy> it should lsit all your active partitions
[03:01] <Catoptromancy> if its not there you need to mount it
[03:02] <Catoptromancy> or edit fstab
[03:03] <Zach_07> ok to boot up xUbuntu it will take a few minutes because Im booting by DVD disc which is slow
[03:08] <Zach_07> Catoptromancy: When I type /media in the terminal it says command not found
[03:08] <Catoptromancy> cd ..
[03:08] <Catoptromancy> cd ..
[03:08] <Catoptromancy> cd /media
[03:09] <Zach_07> huh, funny it says command not found for cd..
[03:09] <Catoptromancy> uh
[03:09] <Zach_07> this must be a screwed up linux
[03:09] <Catoptromancy> cd (space) ..
[03:09] <Zach_07> it works
[03:09] <Zach_07> but
[03:09] <Zach_07> displays nothing
[03:10] <Catoptromancy> dir
[03:10] <Zach_07> works
[03:10] <Catoptromancy> use thnar
[03:10] <Catoptromancy> thunar
[03:10] <Zach_07> so dir /media?
[03:10] <Catoptromancy> its alot easier
[03:10] <Zach_07> Is thunar on the xUbuntu?
[03:10] <Catoptromancy> its the file manager
[03:10] <Zach_07> ok Ill look right now
[03:11] <Zach_07> I can't find thunar but I see Xfce file-manager
[03:12] <Catoptromancy> sure use that
[03:12] <Zach_07> ok
[03:13] <Catoptromancy> You should learn some basics if your going to use Linux
[03:13] <Zach_07> I know
[03:13] <Zach_07> ok, so Im at Xfce file manager
[03:14] <Catoptromancy> find a folder called media
[03:14] <Zach_07> ok
[03:15] <Zach_07> I found /media/cdrom /media/usb0 /media/usb2
[03:15] <Catoptromancy> so look for your file
[03:16] <Zach_07> Well, it only detects my dvd files and not hd... what a piece of crap software. Im going to switch my linux to a different xbox linux
[03:17] <Catoptromancy> you need to mount
[03:18] <Catoptromancy> xubuntu is probably the easiest to use
[03:18] <Catoptromancy> is there an irc channel for xboxubuntu?
[03:19] <Zach_07> yes this is it
[03:19] <Catoptromancy> or if you wait around, someone else can help
[03:19] <Zach_07> only other is xbox linux channel
[03:19] <Zach_07> thats fine
[03:19] <Catoptromancy> maybe try that
[03:19] <Catoptromancy> heh
[03:19] <Catoptromancy> linux is generally the same
[03:19] <Catoptromancy> with mounting
[03:20] <Zach_07> It seems so, by the way I actually have used suse linux live before and I could get around
[03:20] <Catoptromancy> xbox linux channel should be alot more help
[03:20] <Zach_07> Well usually no one answers when you ask a question, probably because their snobbs
[03:20] <Catoptromancy> actually most people here are idle
[03:21] <Catoptromancy> or dont know
[03:21] <Zach_07> Why what are they doing
[03:21] <Catoptromancy> sitting in channel 24/7
[03:21] <Zach_07> oh
[03:21] <Catoptromancy> they do other things too heh
[03:21] <Zach_07> yea of course
[03:21] <Catoptromancy> if you ask a question you might need to wait a long while
[03:22] <Catoptromancy> and re-ask later
[03:22] <pleia2> Zach_07: are you sure you're in the right channel? the wiki explains that Xubuntu (what this  channel is for) is something different than the xbox thing
[03:22] <pleia2> the xubuntu this channel is about doesn't have drive names
[03:22] <Zach_07> Well this channel is probably not for the xbox version: PIKI
[03:22] <pleia2> like e:\ and such
[03:23] <Catoptromancy> e:\ isnt labelled e: in linux
[03:23] <Catoptromancy> well it could be
[03:23] <pleia2> nope
[03:23] <Catoptromancy> someone could setup fstab to name them that
[03:23] <Catoptromancy> heh
[03:23] <pleia2> if they like pain ;)
[03:23] <Zach_07> ok my xbox hardrive boots by evox os, it has c:, D:, E:, G: partitions on it
[03:23] <The-Kernel> I need a shell account of which I can use an IRC client
[03:24] <pleia2> Zach_07: yeah, I have no idea what that means
[03:24] <Zach_07> oh ok
[03:24] <pleia2> you probably want to speak with xbox linux folks :)
[03:24] <Catoptromancy> xbox linux channel would be much more helpful
[03:24] <Zach_07> ok...so wheres the channel?
[03:24] <Catoptromancy> google
[03:25] <Zach_07> Im tired of using google
[03:25] <pleia2> I'd never even heard of this xbox ubuntu before tonight ;)
[03:25] <Zach_07> oh well now you know
[03:27] <Zach_07> THANKS PPL WHO HELPED ME :) :) :)
[03:27] <pleia2> the wiki says there are mailing lists for support
[05:11] <jet65> I'm about to install Xubuntu from a LiveCD (Alternate install). Before I do that, is there anything that I'll need for installation so I don't have to boot back and forth to get some kind of information? I already know what I'll do for partitioning, but I don't know what else I need to know.
[05:11] <RandomDestructn> not that I can think of
[05:11] <RandomDestructn> plus you can browse the net from the livecd
[05:11] <RandomDestructn> while its installing
[05:11] <RandomDestructn> :)
[05:12] <jet65> OK, thanks.
[05:12] <jet65> How long does typical install take?
[05:12] <RandomDestructn> hm. dunno, its been ages for me
[05:12] <RandomDestructn> say half an hour if youre thinking about it?
[05:12] <RandomDestructn> but I really don't remember
[05:13] <jet65> OK, well as long as it's under an hour. I guess I'm gonna get started on  it, thanks very much for the help :)
[05:13] <RandomDestructn> under an hour shouldn't be a problem
[05:13] <RandomDestructn> .
[05:13] <RandomDestructn> o/ bie then
[05:13] <RandomDestructn> :/
[08:27] <snax> can anyone explain why xubuntu gutsy depends on practically all of gnome
[08:33] <TheSheep> snax: yes of course, here is your explanation: it doesn't
[08:34] <snax> installing xubuntu-desktop pulls in significant portions of gnome
[08:34] <TheSheep> snax: like?
[08:35] <snax> gnome-panel, gnome-games, gnome-utils, gnome-applets
[08:35] <snax> and tomboy, which in turn pulls in all of mono
[08:36] <TheSheep> snax: no, these are definitely not in xubuntu
[08:36] <TheSheep> snax: I have a fresh install here
[08:36] <snax> tell that to aptitude
[08:36] <TheSheep> snax: well, learn to use it properly
[08:37] <snax> apt-get is also keen installing those packages
[08:37] <snax> do I need to disable installing suggested packages?
[08:39] <TheSheep> snax: my guess is that it installs some package that has two alternatives, and because you already have (some) ubuntu installation, it picks the alternative wrong, pulling in some gnome app
[08:40] <snax> hmm
[08:50] <thhp> hi, can anyone help me with my xubuntu desktop?
[08:51] <TheSheep> !anyone
[08:51] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[08:53] <thhp> Good point... my issue is that XFCE doesn't retain the "manage desktop" setting across logins
[08:53] <thhp> I installed xubuntu from Ubuntu via "apt-get install xubuntu-desktop", btw
[08:54] <thhp> What I get at login is my XFCE desktop, briefly, and then my old gnome one
[08:54] <thhp> it appears Nautilus is autorunning and trampling the XFCE settings
[08:56] <thhp> FWIW, I have a fuller writeup here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3501310#post3501310
[08:57] <thhp> I'm hoping someone on this channel would be able to give me some suggestions!
[09:01] <TheSheep> thhp: seems like you got nautilus saved with your session
[09:01] <TheSheep> thhp: just kill it and save session, it should go away
[09:02] <TheSheep> thhp: or you can clear the sessions altogether by removing all files from ~/.cache/sessions/
[09:02] <thhp> TheSheep: how should I save the session? I have 'save session on logout' set, but this does no good. Is there an explicit command I can run?
[09:02] <TheSheep> thhp: no, that checkbox is the only way I know
[09:04] <thhp> @TheSheep Thanks, I'll try clearing the cache
[10:28] <joshyu> hi,everyone
[11:07] <oshiii-_^> night night
[01:21] <helen> hi,smop
[01:21] <helen> hi,everyone
[01:53] <noah1989> hi@all
[01:59] <noah1989> hi, which application is responsible for displaying the buttons when turning off the computer?
[02:00] <_trine> xfce4-panel
[02:01] <noah1989> hm..
[02:01] <noah1989> my problem is - they are in english, the system language is german, though.
[02:01] <_trine> alt+f2  then type xfce4-panel
[02:02] <_trine> well I'm a linux learner#
[02:02] <noah1989> hm.
[02:02] <_trine> that's about all I know about it
[02:02] <noah1989> ^^
[02:23] <student002> hey, I'm trying to install gnome-desktop-environment but it lists all these dependencies and says "..but it is not installable" and at the end it says E: Broken Packages
[02:25] <noah1989> hm.. is xubuntu supposed to run a gnome environment?
[02:25] <student002> I dunno, what is it supposed to run?
[02:25] <noah1989> xfce4
[02:26] <noah1989> that's why it's xubuntu
[02:26] <student002> oh so should I try apt-get install xfce4?
[02:26] <noah1989> hm?
[02:26] <Pres-Gas> Make sure to update your packages as well
[02:26] <noah1989> what is your specific problem?
[02:26] <student002> whenever I try to install anything
[02:26] <Pres-Gas> You should be able to install whatever envoronment with whatever *buntu distro.
[02:27] <student002> it says "depends:..."but it is not installable
[02:27] <student002> and at the end it says E: broken packages
[02:27] <noah1989> did you update the package list?
[02:27] <student002> apt-get update?
[02:28] <noah1989> dunno, maybe?
[02:28] <student002> I tried that..it does all this stuff then it says "error: http://download.tuxfamil.org feisty release: the following signature couldn't be verified because the public key is not available
[02:28] <noah1989> i'm not using ubuntu myself, but installed it on my parent's machine (very old computer)
[02:29] <student002> W: you may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems"
[02:29] <student002> lol but that's what I ran
[02:29] <noah1989> ^^
[02:31] <student002> ..
[02:32] <student002> okay I removed the tuxofamily repo from sources.list
[02:32] <Pres-Gas> Another thing is that third party repos can occasionally break things
[02:33] <student002> Ran apt-get update again and it does some stuff and says at the end "fetched 4B in 3s, Reading package lists...done"
[02:33] <Pres-Gas> It could explain the messages you are getting....unresolved dependencies and whatnot.
[02:33] <student002> Pres-Gas, so how do I repair them?
[02:33] <Pres-Gas> well, if you have removed the repo, you could try "apt-get dist-upgrade", student002.
[02:34] <Pres-Gas> Since you have already apt-get update-ed
[02:35] <student002> k 1 of the packages it wants to upgrade is mozilla-thunderbird
[02:35] <student002> and it says 403 access forbidden E: unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing
[02:36] <student002> gonna try to run it again with --fix-missing
[02:37] <student002> Pres-Gas, that worked..it upgraded 3 packages..But I still get that broken packages message when I try to install xfce4
[02:39] <Pres-Gas> So, you are running reg ubuntu now?
[02:40] <student002> I tried 'apt-get install xfdesktop4' but it gives me an error saying "E: Package xfdesktop4 has no installation candidate"
[02:40] <student002> I've been running xubuntu
[02:43] <student002> any ideas?
[02:47] <TABASCO> Hello again
[02:48] <TABASCO> Maybe you remember I asked yesterday about the system requirements of Xubuntu
[02:48] <TABASCO> anyone of you said it is possible to install it on a 2gb hd
[02:49] <TABASCO> but now the installer aborts and if you configure the partitions manually he says that he needs 2gb diskspace for the root-partition
[02:49] <TABASCO> and 256 mb for the swap
[02:49] <TABASCO> what can I do now?
[02:51] <grazie> I'd say 2G was a bit tight for a standard install. 2.5G + swap minimum (for feisty) in my opinion. Which install cd do you have?
[02:52] <TABASCO> gutsy gibbon beta
[02:53] <TABASCO> To install Xubuntu, you need 1.5 GB of free space on your hard disk.
[02:53] <TABASCO> this is what the xubuntu page says
[02:53] <TABASCO> well wait a minute
[02:54] <TABASCO> how can I find out which version of xubuntu I actually use?
[02:55] <grazie> well it's it not wrong for older distros, but feisty (and I think gutsy too) need a bit more space. That figure gives you no room to do updates
[02:55] <TABASCO> what about dapper?
[02:55] <TABASCO> because it's a laptop, and I have only that 2 gigabyte disk
[02:56] <TABASCO> dell is going to ship a bigger one but for the moment I have only that small..
[02:56] <TheSheep> TABASCO: you asked how much it takes after install, and I said 'about 2GB'
[02:56] <TheSheep> TABASCO: it needs some free space to operate, obviously
[02:57] <grazie> TABASCO, for version one way > cat /etc/issue
[02:57] <TABASCO> I asked about if I can install it on a 2 gb disk :)
[02:57] <TheSheep> TABASCO: you can do the server install (which will install the base system only) and then install xfce and whatever applications you need
[02:57] <TABASCO> mhm, yes..
[02:57] <TheSheep> TABASCO: then I didn't understand you, I'm sorry
[02:57] <TABASCO> no problem :)
[02:58] <TheSheep> TABASCO: I think you can only do the server install with the alternate cd
[02:58] <TABASCO> mhm, that is going to be a bit complicated..
[02:58] <TABASCO> well, it's not me who is going to install it but a friend..
[02:59] <TABASCO> does anyone knows about dapper?
[02:59] <TABASCO> can I install xubuntu on a 2gb disk with dapper?
[02:59] <TheSheep> TABASCO: it doesn't grow that much from version to version
[02:59] <TheSheep> TABASCO: I'd say it's about the same, maybe several hundreds MB less
[03:00] <TABASCO> TheSheep: Well, for which version are the system requirements on the website?
[03:00] <TheSheep> TABASCO: for the current stable, in this case feisty
[03:01] <TABASCO> TheSheep: But the feisty installer says that the root partition requires 2 gigabytes
[03:02] <TheSheep> TABASCO: use the manual partitioning
[03:02] <TheSheep> TABASCO: it should fit
[03:03] <Catoptromancy> heh
[03:04] <Catoptromancy> only 2 people talking, not really need to highlight every line
[03:05] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy: habit
[03:05] <Catoptromancy> hehe
[03:07] <TheSheep> explicit is better than implicit
[03:11] <maxamillion> TheSheep: i know this is horribly off topic but i was poking around moin last night and i was wondering how often the devs actually implement the feature requests?
[03:13] <TheSheep> maxamillion: once per feature, usually
[03:14] <TheSheep> maxamillion: --> #moin
[03:35] <ancient1> hi . which TVtuner app is best for xubuntu ?
[03:36] <ancient1> everyone's asleep
[03:37] <ancient1> perhaps i should too
[03:37] <grazie> TVTime?
[03:37] <ancient1> are you asking ?
[03:37] <grazie> no...suggesting
[03:53] <ancient1_> grazie,  thx ! . my PC froze
[04:05] <grazie> you're welcome!
[04:33] <Ben_Cs> hello. well after lots of headache it figures the internet problems i had were caused because a bad dsl router. so i swapped it for a newer one and no i'm back to xubuntu (been using pc-bsd for several days).
[04:34] <Ben_Cs> upgrading to gutsy is done by: gksu "update-manager -c"      ,right?
[04:41] <zeroflag> hey.
[04:43] <zeroflag> is there any single package in (x)ubuntu that installs xfce(auto-startup and the common desktop items including login manager) AND a VNC server that allows reusable sessions/access to real xfce sessions?
[04:44] <zeroflag> because I installed xubuntu-desktop (through aptitude) but xfce won't start and no matter what I do I get strange "X not running" and unidentifyable error messages...
[04:56] <zeroflag> lol @ http://xkcd.com/149/
[05:11] <Ben_Cs> hi
[05:49] <elfez> any known showstoppers lurking around when upgrading from feisty -> gutsy?
[06:01] <tuxutug> salut
[06:17] <TheSheep> elfez: only one
[06:17] <TheSheep> !beta | elfez
[06:17] <ubotu> elfez: Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+1
[06:17] <TheSheep> elfez: ehm, I mean "use only at your own risk"
[06:17] <elfez> TheSheep: indeed - thanks :)
[06:23] <NullName> hey there
[06:27] <fir3> hi
[06:28] <fir3> could someone tell me if the package hal-device-manager is installed out-of-the-box on xubuntu?
[06:37] <TheSheep> fir3: I don't have it
[06:37] <TheSheep> fir3: but it's not a clean install -- I was upgradding since dapper
[06:38] <fir3> k, the cdrom drive appeared without installing it in thunar anyway :)
[06:39] <fir3> i just switched from dapper to etch on my old p2 350 pc, it runs much faster now
[06:57] <fir3> cya
[07:20] <DM|> hey guys trying to get XDM running , ive installed xubuntu-desktop what else do i need to do
[07:22] <DM|> anyone?
[07:24] <TheSheep> DM|: xubuntu uses gdm...
[07:24] <DM|> hmm
[07:24] <DM|> whats XDM then
[07:25] <TheSheep> !info xdm
[07:25] <ubotu> xdm: X display manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.0.5-2 (feisty), package size 165 kB, installed size 764 kB
[07:25] <DM|> werd
[07:26] <TheSheep> DM|: xdm is pretty generic, not associated with any toolkit or desktop environment
[07:26] <TheSheep> DM|: gdm is gtk-based, I think
[07:26] <DM|> im using freenx to run through a remote machine , and its only allowing gnome to run even tho i can log into xfce when i remote in
[07:27] <TheSheep> DM|: try editing your .dmrc
[07:28] <DM|> TheSheep will do gimme a sec
[07:28] <junkeR> hey, where can I find info for the changes that will be coming in 7.10
[07:29] <TheSheep> !gutsy
[07:29] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[07:29] <DM|> JunkeR http://tech.tolero.org/blog/en/linux/review-ubuntu-710-gutsy-features-changes
[07:29] <junkeR> but does it list the changes for xubuntu?
[07:30] <DM|> TheSheep lol it says XFCE but yet freenx loads gnome instead
[07:31] <TheSheep> DM|: .xsession ?
[07:31] <DM|> sec
[07:31] <TheSheep> DM|: finally, there might be a config in freenx for that
[07:32] <DM|> im trying the vnc option, its taking forever tho
[07:36] <DM|> TheSheep no cigar
[07:37] <TheSheep> DM|: maybe try putting 'xfce4-session' to your .xsession?
[07:37] <hyper__ch> why not using another vnc client?
[07:37] <DM|> etc/X11/Xsession?
[07:38] <DM|> hyper__ch i wanted a GUI and vncviewer wouldnt work for me for some reason
[07:38] <DM|> TheSheep where is my .xsession i need to edit?
[07:38] <hyper__ch> well, I used krfb - that just works fine
[07:38] <TheSheep> DM|: in your ~
[07:39] <TheSheep> DM|: you might have to reate it
[07:39] <TheSheep> create
[07:39] <DM|> yeah its not there, what should i put in the file
[07:39] <TheSheep> DM|: just 'xfce4-session' (without the quotes) and an empty line
[07:40] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: will an upgrade to gutsy cause any problems with dm-crypt/luks?
[07:40] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: never tried
[07:41] <DM|> thesheep lol still loads gnome
[07:42] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: in feisty I had to load first some kernel modules
[07:42] <TheSheep> DM|: I give up
[07:42] <DM|> TheSheep got it... you start it with the custom command startxcfe4
[07:43] <winkerbean> We have an internal (wired) network and external (wireless) internet access.  Anybody know how I can use both at the same time?
[07:43] <TheSheep> DM|: that also starts X
[07:43] <TheSheep> winkerbean: just set the default gateway to the wireless and a route for the internal network to the internal gateway
[07:44] <DM|> TheSheep aye, but it works now :) im in XFCE
[07:44] <TheSheep> DM|: congrats, you did it :)
[07:45] <DM|> TheSheep im new to XFCE , whats the command to start the Xterminal ?
[07:45] <DM|> just xterminal?
[07:45] <TheSheep> DM|: terminal
[07:45] <TheSheep> DM|: or xfce4-terminal
[07:50] <winkerbean> TheSheep: thanx, that worked!
[07:51] <DM|> TheSheep thanks for your help, im sure ill be bugging u again in a min
[07:54] <TheSheep> winkerbean: great!
[07:55] <DM|> TheSheep how do you change the time in Xfce? its wrong, saying 9 am
[07:59] <TheSheep> DM|: system -> date and time
[07:59] <DM|> TheSheep its not there :(
[07:59] <DM|> nm
[08:00] <DM|> got it , im blind
[08:01] <DM|> gonna put it in the case now, thanks for all the help
[08:01] <TheSheep> DM|: no problem, do come back :)
[08:14] <winkerbean> TheSheep: I stand corrected (now I'm back online).  I had both connections for a few minutes, but then lost the external connection.
[08:18] <psyhhix> hei
[08:18] <vinze> Hey psyhhix
[08:18] <psyhhix> how do i get near to my other pc via ip address? i cant find a place where to put it :F
[08:18] <vinze> What do you mean: "near to my other pc via ip address"?
[08:19] <psyhhix> i have other pc with xp on local network
[08:19] <psyhhix> with kde no problem
[08:19] <psyhhix> but im using first time xfce :D
[08:19] <vinze> Oww... Not my area, sorry :(
[08:19] <psyhhix> np :)
[08:25] <TheSheep> winkerbean: that's very weird
[08:26] <TheSheep> winkerbean: what does 'ip route' say?
[08:26] <winkerbean> 192.168.2.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.2.102
[08:26] <winkerbean> 192.168.1.0/24 dev wlan0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.1.105
[08:26] <winkerbean> 169.254.0.0/16 dev wlan0  scope link  metric 1000
[08:26] <winkerbean> default via 192.168.1.1 dev wlan0
[08:27] <winkerbean> Now, I seem ok.  But then I seemed ok before and lost the outside world.
[08:27] <TheSheep> winkerbean: you use static ips or dhcp?
[08:28] <winkerbean> TheSheep: dhcp for outside, static for inside
[08:28] <TheSheep> winkerbean: maybe it's just the signal power of your wireless?
[08:28] <TheSheep> winkerbean: or dhcp timed out?
[08:28] <winkerbean> TheSheep: Could be either, I suppose.
[08:28] <TheSheep> or both :)
[08:28] <NullName> hey you guys.....if I used ssh to connect to a box on my LAN and downloaded a torrent, through ssh.  Would this hide that i'm downloading a torrent from my isp?....what if I also renamed the file to a "schoolwork.zip"
[08:29] <winkerbean> TheSheep: Heh.  Thanx just the same.
[08:29] <NullName> the reason being with ssh that it is encrypted
[08:30] <TheSheep> NullName: it hides the fact that you're transmitting the file itself, but downloading the *content* to which that file points is an entirely different thing
[08:30] <TheSheep> NullName: try reading about the torrent protocol on wikipedia, for example
[08:32] <NullName> thanks
[08:33] <NullName> yea I'm reading about ssh on wikipedia...and to my understanding it hides it...so I have to also encrypt the file that it points to?
[08:34] <NullName> reading about torrent will help me understand how the content is stored?
[08:34] <NullName> I mean I think I understand how torrents work.
[08:35] <TheSheep> NullName: admins don't usually punish copying of the toreent files themselves, they detect downloading of the content via the torrent protocol
[08:37] <NullName> but that can't detect that I'm using the torrent protocol if I'm using ssh on the lan?
[08:38] <NullName> my other computer has the torrent client and is recieiving the file.  I'm just controlling the torrent client.
[08:38] <NullName> then later I will transfer the file to my box
[08:38] <NullName> using scp
[08:38] <TheSheep> NullName: he can detect it where your ssh tunnel ends
[08:38] <NullName> darn
[08:39] <NullName> Maybe I'm crazy...but wikipedia doestn seem to have an entry for "torrent"
[08:39] <NullName> just b=ittorrent clients
[08:39] <NullName> nevermind
[08:39] <NullName> they have bittorrent protocl
[08:39] <NullName> *protocol
[08:53] <psyhhix> how can i connect to my pc (win xp) with xfce? theres a switch between, with kde works fine, but xfce i cant
[08:53] <NullName> what do you mean by "connect"?
[08:53] <NullName> you want to control you winxp PC?
[08:53] <NullName> for full control I would use "vnc"
[08:53] <psyhhix> i want to access to my shared folder
[08:54] <NullName> but for a faster adn more secure connection I would use "ssh"
[08:54] <NullName> well then you can use ftp
[08:54] <NullName> which isnt secure
[08:54] <NullName> but would get the job done] 
[08:54] <NullName> you want to be able to download files from the xp PC while you are on the box with xfce?
[08:55] <vinze> psyhhix, as I said, not my area, but *perhaps* this might be of help: http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&client=pub-6042653380764683&cof=FORID:1%3BGL:1%3BLBGC:336699%3BBGC:%23f6f6f6%3BLC:%230000ff%3BVLC:%23663399%3BGFNT:%230000ff%3BGIMP:%230000ff%3BDIV:%23336699%3B&domains=grumpymole.blogspot.com&sitesearch=grumpymole.blogspot.com&oe=ISO-8859-1&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=pyneighborhood&spell=1
[08:55] <psyhhix> i want transport files from pc to my laptop
[08:55] <NullName> okay
[08:55] <NullName> well you need to install an ftp server
[08:55] <NullName> its MUCH easier to install one on linux
[08:55] <NullName> I prefer hosting the server on linux
[08:56] <NullName> let me get you the link....
[08:56] <psyhhix> ahh, cool, ty
[08:56] <psyhhix> works
[08:56] <psyhhix> thanks
[08:57] <NullName> sudo apt-get install proftpd
[08:57] <NullName> sudo cp /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf_backup
[08:57] <NullName> gksudo gedit /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf
[08:57] <NullName> Find this section  ... DenyFilter           \*.*/ ...
[08:57] <NullName> actually, just go to this link
[08:57] <NullName> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_install_FTP_Server_for_File_Transfer_service
[08:57] <NullName> the instructions are way easy
[09:09] <pike_> lies...LIES!
[09:12] <maxamillion> ?
[09:18] <pike_> ive found pam+ftp to be kinda a headache. it is easier in windows to setup virtual users