[05:09] <DaSkreech> HI Hobbsee
[05:09] <Hobbsee> hiya
[05:10] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[05:11] <Hobbsee> dealing with payment w.r.t a carsmash.
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Ouch
[05:18] <DaSkreech> The new car?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> new car?  i dont have a new car
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Well yeah a few years
[05:20] <DaSkreech> seriously I've been talking to you for a few years?
[05:20] <DaSkreech> I can swear I remember when you got that car
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Jucato: fun.  but they're expensive when they smash.
[05:21] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: hm, likely.
[05:22] <Hobbsee> yeah, i would have gotten that a few months before using ubuntu
[05:22] <Jucato> which was how many years ago? :)
[05:22] <Jucato> j/k
[05:23] <Hobbsee> 2.5 or so
[05:23] <Hobbsee> just under
[05:23] <DaSkreech> yeah sounds about right
[05:23] <Jucato> that long ago? hehehe
[05:24] <Hobbsee> was breezy, and that's EOL'd now, so yes :)
[05:25] <Jucato> hi n8k99!
[05:25] <n8k99> hi Jucato
[05:26] <DaSkreech> FOSS is the strangest set of folks
[05:26] <n8k99> heh
[05:27] <Jucato> s/is/has/
[05:27] <Jucato> unless you consider folks = software
[05:27] <n8k99> i parsed that as a set named FOSS
[05:28] <Jucato> wow.. parsed...
[05:28] <n8k99> my wife hates when i do that
[05:29] <Jucato> when you parse?
[05:29] <n8k99> yeah. no. when i use words that don't mean what i think they mean, and end up making them mean what i want
[05:29] <n8k99> or something to that effect
[05:30] <DaSkreech> Ha ha #def then?
[05:31] <n8k99> maybe i am just overloading terms
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Oooh overloading
[05:32] <Jucato> function overloading :)
[05:32] <n8k99> hehe
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Right anyway People always point out that Oh! Microsoft is cutting off updates for this or Apple won't support that but noone drops support for things faster than the FOSS world.
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Course no one updates faster either
[05:40] <Jucato> but if MS or Apple drops support for something, it's totally dead forever... a FOSS app can be revived by anyone
[05:41] <Tm_T> Jucato: exactly
[05:41] <DaSkreech> I understand the sentiment
[05:42] <DaSkreech> But for well over 80% of the apps that's just not true
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Well it's still true in theory in practice hell no
[05:42] <Jucato> ah I just love statistics
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Ignore seamonkey :)
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Jucato: You want to try revive sayy oh a 1/4 of the dead projects on SF.net ?
[05:43] <Jucato> if you consider apps that should stay dead...
[05:43] <Jucato> also if you consider apps that have massive support/user base
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Well I like gaim. I don't like Pidgin
[05:46] <DaSkreech> No one supports gaim
[05:47] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Aren't you in the wrong channel for Gaim/Pigdin arguments?
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Not a gaim pidgin argument
[05:48] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Not really a criticsm either cause if there is an update to a FOSS project most people have updated even before i can tell them about it
[05:48] <Jucato> er...
[05:48] <Jucato> to think I mean
[05:48] <DaSkreech> which is not even close to true for closed source stuff
[05:59] <ScottK> Should bug #151138 be a bug against compiz?  IMO if app -compiz works, whatever breaks when compiz is added belongs to compiz.  Is there policy on that?
[05:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151138 in kdegraphics "presentation mode of kpdf does not work with compiz enabled (in gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151138
[06:14] <ScottK> Working well for me.
[06:16] <DaSkreech> fine I"ll update
[06:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kdevelop has an odd version #, btw
[06:40] <genii> Bah. Had compiz working under 2.6.22-11 and now -14 has me messed up again.
[06:40] <Hobbsee> meh, compiz.
[06:40] <genii> yeah
[06:41] <genii> Does it have some issue with restricted drivers?
[06:52] <Hobbsee> okay, kaffeine does *not* handle compiz at all well
[06:52] <Hobbsee> at least, zoom
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Woah Strigi is eating some CPU resources
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Is it doing anything?
[06:59] <Jucato> probably trying to eat your cpu
[06:59] <Jucato> indexing most probably
[07:16] <skreech_> Right
[07:16] <skreech_> So that killed my machine
[07:17] <skreech_> Is strigi Supposed to use that much CPU?
[07:17] <Hobbsee> it shouldnt be now
[07:17] <Jucato> (it's buggy yes afaik)
[07:17] <skreech_> Just did a full upgrade to KDE 3.5.8
[07:18] <Hobbsee> did it work?
[07:18] <skreech_> Hobbsee: I've never made it index before
[07:18] <skreech_>  does it have a huge CPU hit when indexing?
[07:18] <Hobbsee> i meant 3.5.8, not strigi
[07:18] <skreech_> Well I'm on the command line now if that helps
[07:18] <skreech_> Yeah I guess
[07:19] <skreech_> But between a daemon battling me for my CPU and a kernel that kills my computer if I look at the time I'm not happy
[07:20] <skreech_> I'll kill strigi when it takes over 70% of my memory
[07:20] <Jucato> hm.. btw.. I thought Riddell removed it from being autostarted by default?
[07:20] <skreech_> Well it is
[07:21] <skreech_> Gahahaha it heard me it seems
[07:21] <skreech_> Memory use touched 70.8% then dived
[07:22] <skreech_> Still taking more than 80% of My CPU
[07:23] <skreech_> Hobbsee: so before when it was doing this it was just a runaway prcess?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> unsure
[07:23] <Hobbsee> it was supposed to be fixed
[07:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: he did
[07:23] <Hobbsee> the new version was supposed to be better
[07:26] <skreech_> Welll X is useless I can barely t
[07:26] <skreech_> ype in console
[07:26] <skreech_> It take a good while for key strokes to register
[07:27] <skreech_> something close to 30 seconds for the Numlock light to toggle
[07:27] <skreech_> Strigi has stopped eating my CPU but its' sure aeating my memory now
[07:28] <Jucato> why not kill it?
[07:28] <skreech_> cause I'm a beta tester
[07:28] <skreech_> I want to see what's its doing
[07:29] <skreech_> I know that beagle used to kill your machine for like 45 minutes after it was installed
[07:29] <skreech_> and this is a 250 GB drive
[07:30] <skreech_> The CPU uasge has gone done but I hear the drive churning away
[07:31] <Jucato> ok, wait for 45 minutes...
[07:34] <skreech_> Well as I recall Strigi was supposed to take less time than the other guys to index stuff
[07:35] <skreech_> I'd ask in #strig
[07:35] <skreech_> i but the room is dead most of the hours out of the day
[07:35] <skreech_> why does it keep breaking my sentences?
[07:36] <skreech_> Well while I wait this out
[07:36] <skreech_>  Hobbsee no reports of the Clock crashing Gutsy?
[07:36] <Hobbsee> not that i'm aware fo?
[07:37] <skreech_> My load is up to 24 now
[07:37] <Hobbsee> sheesh
[07:37] <skreech_> What is the wa stat for in top ?
[07:38] <skreech_> Jucato: Add strigi to your list with Dolphin
[07:38] <Jucato> list of what?
[07:39] <skreech_> Apps for KDE4 that should stay in KDE4
[07:39] <skreech_> Is wa Wait time?
[07:39] <Jucato> has been there on that list since D3lphin :)
[07:40] <Jucato> and already expressed my -10 about both
[07:40] <skreech_> That's the only thing remotely high in the top stats
[07:41] <skreech_> If the machine freezes
[07:41] <skreech_>  thats why
[07:45] <skreech_> Load is down to 16
[07:51] <skreech_> Warty
[07:51] <skreech_> hoary
[07:51] <skreech_>  maybe breezy
[07:52] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:52] <Hobbsee> breezy is EOL'd, so yes
[07:52] <Hobbsee> whole lot of snapshot releases
[07:53] <skreech_> can someone tell me who much swap they have left in top?
[07:53] <skreech_> bytes free
[07:54] <Hobbsee> Swap:  1429744k total,        0k used,  1429744k free,  1233028k cached
[07:54] <Hobbsee> but i'm not running strigi
[07:54] <skreech_> ah
[07:54] <skreech_> swap used and free for me
[07:54] <Jucato> Swap:         1027        191        835
[07:55] <Jucato> not running KDE 3
[07:55] <skreech_> 835k free?
[07:56] <Jucato> swap? yes
[07:56] <Jucato> er.. 835mb
[07:56] <Jucato> free -m
[07:56] <skreech_> ok
[07:56] <skreech_> how much cached?
[07:56] <Jucato>  586
[07:57] <Jucato> mb
[08:00] <skreech_> ok I have 0k free with 5-7Meg cached
[08:01] <skreech_> Looks like strigi goes CPU bound until it becomes memory bound
[08:03] <skreech_> Right I'm going to let this churn for the night
[08:09] <Jucato> Hobbsee: if it's any comfort to you, kaffeine doesn't work well on kwin's compositing either (kde4)
[08:09] <Hobbsee> ah right
[08:09] <Jucato> it wants to be totally on top, even of it's own dialog boxes...
[08:40] <skreech_> Neat My computer is moving so slow I can actually watch a process be killed
[10:21] <_StefanS_> Riddell: where can I get 3.5.8 for testing ?
[10:27] <Riddell> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jr/ubuntu gutsy main
[10:27] <Riddell> _StefanS_: ^^
[10:27] <Tonio_> hi
[10:27] <Tonio_> back to work, I was sick
[10:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you resend me the mail with the kdmtheme debdiff please ?
[10:27] <Tonio_> hey Riddell :)
[10:27] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_
[10:27] <_StefanS_> Riddell: thanks :)
[10:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: lost a few emails playing with a server antispam :/
[10:28] <Riddell> sault Tonio_
[10:28] <Tonio_> 5 days sick, 40 degrees fever.... sorry for missing the beta tests...
[10:29] <Jucato> aw... Tonio_ hope you're feeling better
[10:29] <Tonio_> someone finally changed the konversation settings ?
[10:29] <Tonio_> Jucato: I do, indeed
[10:29] <Jucato> :)
[10:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes they did.. I couldnt understand why konversation started quitting on me all the time, until I noticed it didnt stick in the tray nomore
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, otoo late for gutsy, but I started playing with kio-apt, to make it compatible with the new apt:/ ubuntu protocol
[10:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum, looks like sho won this time
[10:30] <Tonio_> but I really, really disapprove those changes.....
[10:30] <Tonio_> but I'll respect what has been done, no pb
[10:30] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yea, me too
[10:31] <Jucato> the system tray icon was never one of his issues though
[10:31] <Tonio_> Jucato: sure it was
[10:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: are we going to get an exception for kde 3.5.8 if its proves to be in good shape ?
[10:31] <Tonio_> Jucato: he compained a lot about the tabs, the systray icon, and the icon theme
[10:31] <Jucato> only the C++ patches for modifying configs, the tab position, and the nicklist theme
[10:31] <_StefanS_> I thought konversation started to segfault until I found out about the tray configuration :)
[10:31] <Jucato> C++ patch for the default server/port I mean
[10:33] <Jucato> is that KDE 3.5.8 PPA available for testing for me too? or do I have sign up for something?
[10:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: that would be cool
[10:33] <_StefanS_> Jucato: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jr/ubuntu gutsy main
[10:33] <Jucato> okies :)
[10:33] <_StefanS_> Jucato: beware of the download speed.. (or lack of)
[10:33] <_StefanS_> Jucato: getting 48kb/s now
[10:34] <_StefanS_> Jucato: on a 20mbit line.
[10:34] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I'd like it to, it seems remarkably trouble free
[10:34] <Riddell> but first, there are RC CDs to be tested!
[10:34] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I guess it would be a good thing to keep us ahead :)
[10:34] <_StefanS_> Riddell: all others are packaging 3.5.7
[10:35] <_StefanS_> Riddell: whats that url for the testing images ? and the DVD's needs testing too I guess (?)
[10:36] <_StefanS_> Riddell: s/testing/RC/
[10:41] <Riddell> still testing, they're not official RC until tomorrow
[10:41] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/
[10:41] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/
[11:02] <davmor2> Riddell: bryce has asked that I start a new bug for the intel graphical freakness for kde :(
[12:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: kde 3.5.8 is installing now.. btw: I wont download those pre-RC images, the server only gives me 89kb/s, would simply take all day
[12:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the other from mrgruber.org or whatever was way faster.
[12:14] <Jucato> for some strange reason, I couldn't even get updates for 3.5.8 using the PPA... my Fetch Updates must have timed out  earlier
[12:14] <Jucato> (just dist-upgrading to gutsy's latest updates today)
[12:23] <Lure> Riddell: 3.5.8 looks fine here
[12:24] <Lure> Riddell: I have guidance candidate with two fixes in my ppa (also for others to test), but would really like to resolve CPU MHz bug that there are some reports
[12:27] <Lure> anybody here have issue like bug 102345 ?
[12:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102345 in kde-guidance "kde guidance does not display cpu frequency" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102345
[12:27] <Lure> Riddell: bug 128666 might also be important, but it requires acpi-support change
[12:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128666 in kde-guidance "kde-guidance-powermanager causes double sleep, memory corruption" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128666
[12:27] <pgquiles_> Riddell: will you provide 3.5.8 packages for feisty?
[12:28] <Riddell> pgquiles_: hope so
[12:28] <pgquiles_> Riddell: thank you
[12:34] <Riddell> davmor2: has usplash been working for you?
[12:39] <_StefanS_> Lure: whats you ppa?
[12:39] <_StefanS_> Lure: your
[12:40] <Lure> _StefanS_: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/lure/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse
[12:40] <_StefanS_> Riddell: usplash started to work when fglrx was enabled since gutsy... that didnt work on feisty.
[12:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I havent seen any problems with it, except for when you have enabled sshd and other services, it shows the console briefly before starting kdm
[12:41] <_StefanS_> Lure: goody
[12:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: (which is probably fine,.,)
[12:44] <_StefanS_> Riddell: can we fix that backlight hotkey btw?
[12:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: was it a feature of kmilo that needed some functionality ?
[12:45] <Riddell> what backlight hotkey?
[12:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: Fn+Home/End on thinkpads
[12:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: that thing that stopped working since tribe5
[12:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: using acpi_listen it does trigger the brightness script I can see
[12:47] <Riddell> oh, screen brightness
[12:47] <_StefanS_> yep
[12:47] <Riddell> yes, I believe it needs kmilo to do something, I don't know what, it won't get fixed for gutsy
[12:47] <_StefanS_> argh ok..
[12:48] <Riddell> hopefully it won't be very complex, we can just copy whatever gnome's equivalent does
[12:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: it does trigger video_brightnessup.sh
[12:48] <Riddell> what does?
[12:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: donno how that acpi_fakekey works
[12:48] <Lure> _StefanS_: do you know what needs to be done?
[12:48] <_StefanS_> well I read that it might be mapping from the hex to the xorg key
[12:49] <_StefanS_> someone had a similar problem on dell
[12:49] <Lure> _StefanS_: acpi_fakekey should generate keypress which we map into xkeysym that kmilo then executes
[12:49] <_StefanS_> ah ok
[12:49] <Lure> does "xev" command return proper codes and xkeysyms?
[12:49] <_StefanS_> it does.
[12:50] <Jucato> anyone lately had a chance to upgrade to gutsy from a semi-fresh install of feisty? I think gutsy's ksplash isn't installed or upgraded properly
[12:50] <_StefanS_> Lure: 212 for up and 101 for down brightness
[12:50] <Lure> _StefanS_: as other laptops listed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaptopKeycodes ?
[12:50] <_StefanS_> lemme check
[12:50] <Lure> sounds ok
[12:51] <Lure> it seems that kernel is not doing the control anymore, therefore something in userspace should do it...
[12:51] <Lure> kmilo in feisty just showed the dialog, but did not actually change brightness
[12:52] <Lure> _StefanS_: we would probably just need to steal some code from gnome-p-m and stick it into kmilo/guidance-p-m
[12:53] <_StefanS_> Lure: does the brightness interact with ibm_acpi ??
[12:53] <_StefanS_> Lure: in /proc/acpi/ibm/.. ?
[12:53] <_StefanS_> Lure: or is that obsolete by now
[12:53] <Lure> _StefanS_: not sure, it looks like that they removed policy from kernel and I suspec hal has support now
[12:53] <Lure> so g-p-m should ask hal to adjust it (but this is just my speculation)
[12:54] <_StefanS_> Lure: hmm I think its quite important to have it fixed actually..
[12:55] <Lure> _StefanS_: it would be nice, but I was unaware of this issue (no bug)
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Lure: the brightness works on my other laptop (dell inspiron 6400)
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Lure: not sure how its implemented though
[12:56] <Lure> _StefanS_: majbe mjg59 can tell us more
[12:56] <Lure> _StefanS_: and Thinkpad does not work?
[12:56] <_StefanS_> Lure: thats correct.
[12:56] <_StefanS_> Lure: although adjusting the sliders in kde-guidance-p-m works :)
[12:56] <_StefanS_> Lure: so maybe we should look there ?
[12:57] <_StefanS_> I'm grabbing the source now
[12:57] <Lure> _StefanS_: problem is that python cannot catch global key presses, this is why kmilo takes care of it
[12:57] <Riddell> it uses hal
[12:58] <Lure> _StefanS_: but we could modify kmilo to dcop guidance to modify brightness
[12:58] <_StefanS_> isnt that somewhat of a hack ? :)
[12:58] <Lure> _StefanS_: not the first one in guidance (due to python/qt/kde limitations)
[12:58] <Lure> ;-)
[12:59] <_StefanS_> does kmilo already contain brightness controls for other laptops ?
[12:59] <Lure> _StefanS_: no, just display of dialog
[12:59] <Lure> _StefanS_: there are legacy modules that you may try as workaround
[01:00] <Lure> _StefanS_: kmilo-legacy
[01:00] <Lure> _StefanS_: they have old, ugly low-level code to mess with kernel
[01:00] <_StefanS_> oh lets not do that
[01:00] <Lure> _StefanS_: this is why we use just kmilo_generic
[01:00] <_StefanS_> lets go the dcop route if thats the easiest way
[01:00] <Lure> _StefanS_: but it may work for your thinkpad (as API is probably the same as hal uses)
[01:01] <_StefanS_> yea well kde-guidance-pm works so..
[01:01] <Lure> _StefanS_: only concern with dcop route is what will hapen with laptops that already work (like your dell): will this increase brightness by two times or will HAL just ignore
[01:02] <Lure> _StefanS_: good thing is that you have both, so we can debug quickly
[01:02] <Lure> _StefanS_: I am at work now, but could work on this in 4-5 hours or so
[01:03] <_StefanS_> Lure: well its better for me in the evening, around 9 - 10 oclock
[01:03] <_StefanS_> Lure: my local time is gmt+1
[01:03] <Lure> _StefanS_: same here
[01:04] <Lure> kubuntu_14_kmilo_powermanager.diff already uses dcop for suspend/hibernate/showTip
[01:04] <_StefanS_> Lure: you said that after acpi_fakekey it looked up stuff in xkey.. something ?
[01:04] <Lure> _StefanS_: right, this is done by /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ubuntu-xmodmap
[01:05] <Lure> _StefanS_: see /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap for list of mappings
[01:05] <_StefanS_> got it
[01:05] <_StefanS_> well brightness key 212/101 is not listed there
[01:05] <Lure> _StefanS_: then xkeysym is catched by kmilo (KGlobAccel) and does something usefull (suspend, hibernate, battery key)
[01:06] <Lure> _StefanS_: it also catches brightness keys, but does nothing, beside displaying currnt level (afair)
[01:06] <Lure> _StefanS_: really?! then I do not remember this good enough... ;-)
[01:06] <_StefanS_> Lure: so creating 212/101 and appropriate keys here wont have any effect?
[01:06] <_StefanS_> XF86Brightness whatever
[01:07] <Lure> _StefanS_: try adding mapping
[01:07] <Lure> _StefanS_: then we need to catch it in kmilo
[01:07] <Lure> _StefanS_: right, generic does not have brightness (only ibm and old legacy have it)
[01:08] <Lure> _StefanS_: so we need to:
[01:08] <Lure> 1. add mapping to /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.
[01:08] <Lure> 2. add KGlobalAccell to kmilo_generic
[01:08] <Lure> 3. kmilo_generic to call pm via dcop
[01:09] <Lure> 4. add dcop methods to pm
[01:09] <Lure> That is doable in decent time, it just involves several packages (kdebase, kdeutils, guidance)
[01:09] <_StefanS_> so is it entirely freeform for the naming of the XF86 key?
[01:09] <Lure> but all of them might need updated anyway (3.5.8 + guidance fixes)
[01:09] <_StefanS_> well theyre all slated for update anywya
[01:09] <_StefanS_> :D
[01:09] <Lure> _StefanS_: no
[01:10] <Lure> _StefanS_: they are documented somewhere, just do not recall now where
[01:10] <_StefanS_> Lure: XF86BrightnessUp, XF86BrightnessDown,
[01:10] <_StefanS_> so that was easy
[01:10] <Lure> _StefanS_: great
[01:11] <_StefanS_> I will add them now
[01:11] <_StefanS_> is that when you get a good idea ?? : XF86LightBulb
[01:11] <_StefanS_> hehe
[01:12] <Lure> ;-)
[01:14] <_StefanS_> hmm it seems like it doesnt like brighnessup/down XF86 keys
[01:16] <_StefanS_> brb
[01:19] <_StefanS_> Riddell: KDE 3.5.8 works great here aswell
[01:55] <_StefanS_> Lure: the brightnessUp/Down is already available in the most recent kde-guidance-pm
[01:55] <_StefanS_> Lure: works fine from commandline
[01:55] <_StefanS_> Lure: dcop power-manager-16439 power-manager brightnessUp/Down
[01:56] <Lure> _StefanS_: great, I forgot about that ;-)
[01:56] <_StefanS_> :)
[01:56] <_StefanS_> Lure: so according to your recipe, we need to patch in that call in kmilo
[01:56] <Lure> _StefanS_: yep, 1. - 3. only
[01:58] <_StefanS_> Lure: what should we call that XF86 key... BrightnessUp/Down doesnt exist apparently
[01:58] <Lure> _StefanS_: just extend debian/patches/kubuntu_14_kmilo_powermanager.diff
[01:58] <_StefanS_> alright
[01:58] <Lure> _StefanS_: so no brightnessXX?
[01:58] <_StefanS_> nop
[01:59] <Lure> _StefanS_: we could just use some generic ones, like XF86LaunchX
[01:59] <_StefanS_> although I found this in /usr/include/X11/XF86keysym.h: #define XF86XK_KbdBrightnessUp   0x1008FF05
[02:00] <_StefanS_> and a corresponding Down aswell.
[02:00] <Lure> _StefanS_: not the best, but very non-conflicting, I would cay
[02:00] <_StefanS_> can you make as manu XF86LaunchX as you want?
[02:00] <Lure> _StefanS_: no, they are predefined somewhere in X headers
[02:02] <Lure> _StefanS_: see here for candidates: http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/howto_keyboard.php
[02:02] <Lure> _StefanS_: there is only XF86BrightnessAdjust
[02:04] <Lure> _StefanS_: we can just go with XF86LaunchD & XF86LaunchE for the time being
[02:05] <Lure> _StefanS_: found it, the actual list is in /usr/share/X11/XKeysymDB
[02:06] <Lure> _StefanS_: SunVideoLowerBrightness/SunVideoRaiseBrightness ;-)
[02:06] <mhb> _StefanS_: second attempt to catch you
[02:10] <_StefanS_> mhb: it was just a rename of GDebi Package installer to Package installer, but since we have string freeze, it cant be done. So that was it :)
[02:10] <_StefanS_> Lure: ok, lets try that
[02:11] <mhb> _StefanS_: right, but it can be done for hardy, remind me again during the cycle
[02:12] <_StefanS_> Lure: mapping works for the sun keys through xev
[02:15] <Lure> _StefanS_: great, just patch kmilo and we are done
[02:15] <Lure> _StefanS_: and hide the fixes in Riddell's 3.5.8 upload ;-)
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> *them
[02:17] <Lure> any feisty user around?
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> over in #kubuntu ;)
[02:17] <ScottK> Lure: If I was sufficiently motivated I could reboot into it.
[02:18] <Lure> ScottK: no need
[02:18] <ScottK> OK.
[02:18] <Lure> will ask in -testers otherwise will take nosrednaekim suggestion ;-)
[02:21] <_StefanS_> Lure: I think I get it now :) - I will it tonight maybe
[02:21] <_StefanS_> patch it
[02:21] <Lure> _StefanS_: just ping me if you need help, but I am sure you will be fine
[02:22] <Lure> _StefanS_: and test on dell for potential side-effects
[02:22] <_StefanS_> Jups
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> i'd test it, but my brightness keys are hardware-linked :).
[02:24] <_StefanS_> I'm just about to hardwire my own... this just anoying
[02:26] <_StefanS_> oh jeez.. why is ppa.lp.net so slow
[02:26] <_StefanS_> 11 kb/s
[02:26] <Jucato> don't worry _StefanS_, I haven't added to the load yet :)
[02:26] <Jucato> er wait
[02:26] <Lure> _StefanS_: because my packages are more poluar than ubuntu main repo? ;-)
[02:26] <Jucato>  I have! O.o
[02:26] <Jucato> but Riddel's :P
[02:26] <_StefanS_> hehe
[02:27] <_StefanS_> donno, it could sure use some sort of upgrade...
[02:44] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm definitely liking 3.5.8 so far.  Did you see my comment on sftp on #kubuntu-testers from last night?
[02:44] <ScottK> Good clean bug fixing fun as far as I can tell.
[02:46] <Riddell> I did indeed
[02:51] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Great.  If there is specific stuff you want looked at, please let me know.
[02:51] <Riddell> nothing specific
[02:52] <Lure> Hobbsee: considering switching? ;-)
[02:52] <Hobbsee> Lure: oh, i do every release or so - and then come back to KDE, because it works so nicely.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> but then, it doesnt get the love that ubuntu gets, so it's a tough call
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: 3.5.8 seems to wokr great, btw
[02:53] <Lure> Riddell: what is the probability to get 3.5.8 in for gutsy? did you discuss it with others from release team?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Lure: tentatively discussed between the two of us, but didnt really get traction for going further
[02:54] <Hobbsee> of course, now that we actually *have* it
[02:54] <Jucato> kinda sucks when you're still just downloading 3.5.8 and everyone's confirmed that it works already :P
[02:55] <Riddell> Lure: I might be able to quietly sneak it in
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nice :)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you sneak it, i'll give you the verbal ack, and you can do the actual approving.  works perfectly :)
[02:55] <Riddell> of course there's also KDE 4 beta 3 to be packaged
[02:55] <Lure> Riddell: and please wait for brightness fixes from _StefanS_
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ^5 :D
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's great having 2 kde people in the release team.
[02:56] <Lure> Hobbsee: so kubuntu gutsy+1 release (with kde4 by default ) will be at the same time as kde party? ;-)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Lure: unsure - when's the kde party?
[02:56] <Lure> Hobbsee: January ;-)
[02:57] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:57] <Hobbsee> gutsy+1 doesnt plan to hvae kde4 by default
[02:57] <Lure> Hobbsee: would be great to distribute Kubuntu/kde4 CDs
[02:57] <Jucato> gutsy+1 = no kde 4...
[02:57] <Lure> Hobbsee: wait until UDS ;-)
[02:57] <Jucato> oooooh...
[02:57] <Riddell> Jucato: "by default"
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Lure: i wont be there.
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Lure: but indeed, it would be
[02:58] <Lure> Hobbsee: me neither (I wil be just back from US before UDS)
[02:58] <Jucato> Riddell: yep. forgot that
[02:59] <Lure> Riddell: I am really not sure if kde 3.5.x (without anybody working on it anymore) is better for LTS
[02:59] <Lure> Riddell: maybe having kde4.0 with exception from release team to upload 4.1 as -updates would be better
[02:59] <Hobbsee> i honestly cant see the poitn of still distributing kde3, but i'd like to wait until we see more of it before making that decision
[02:59] <Hobbsee> based on how we've not done any particular LTS work for dapper in the last while, it's effectively a normal release for us
[03:00] <Hobbsee> we didtn even provide teh latest kde versoins, with mostly bug fixes.
[03:00] <Lure> Riddell: LTS does have update CD's, therefore it would be easier to distribute larger updates too
[03:00] <Lure> Hobbsee: and that is the problem with LTS - it is so frozen, that you cannot even get bug fixes ;-)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Lure: indeed.
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Lure: well, all of them are, to some extent - but wedont provide the separate kde bits
[03:02] <Jucato> don't we also have to consider how 4.0 itself will turn out first?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:04] <Jucato> um.. another thing to consider is that we will have to probably sheep 2 KDE's if we include 4.0 by default
[03:04] <Jucato> er... did I just say sheep?
[03:04] <jpatrick> yes, twice
[03:04] <Jucato> hehe
[03:04] <Jucato> jpatrick: btw, grats on getting motu back :)
[03:04] <Jucato> saw your special mention on the list
[03:05] <jpatrick> Jucato: I never lost it in the first place :)
[03:05] <davmor2> Riddell: just testing the kub desktop cd.  I managed to change the font to a fixed 96dpi now it looks perfect :)
[03:05] <Jucato> jpatrick: ok, getting reactivated
[03:06] <ScottK> Unless KDE4 gets magically a lot more solid, no KDE3 in Hardy would have me thinking very hard about another distro.  I need working a lot more than I need latest and greatest (he types from his Dapper desktop).
[03:12] <Riddell> davmor2: what was it set to before?
[03:13] <davmor2> none of the above I think hang on and I'll tell you :)
[03:15] <davmor2> Riddell:  forced fonts dpi disabled.
[03:15] <davmor2> by switching it to 96 I now have a perfect kubuntu desktop :)
[03:55] <bddebian> Heya
[03:55] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:55] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[03:56] <davmor2> Riddell:  I've done screen shots for heno http://www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/kub32menu.png , http://www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/kub32firefoxinfo.png , http://www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/kub32install.png
[04:00] <Riddell> davmor2: what's that for?
[04:00] <davmor2> Riddell: screenshots of winfoss
[04:01] <Riddell> davmor2: but for what?
[04:01] <Riddell> winfoss needs new screenshots of Kubuntu
[04:02] <Riddell> although we need a screenshot of winfoss for the release announcement
[04:02] <davmor2> they are the kubuntu winfoss menu and stuff
[04:05] <Riddell> I see that, just don't see why we need screenshots of it
[04:05] <Lure> davmor2: what does xdpyinfo|grep resolution return for you?
[04:08] <skreech_> Morning Jucato
[04:08] <Jucato> morning skreech_
[04:09] <skreech_> Hiya Hobbsee, Riddell
[04:09] <Riddell> hi skreech_
[04:13] <davmor2> Lure: on what sorry I have three different desktops on the go at present
[04:13] <Lure> davmor2: the one where you had to fix dpi manually
[04:14] <skreech_> [5~[5~[6~
[04:14] <davmor2> before or after the fix?
[04:14] <davmor2> Lure: ^^^
[04:14] <Lure> davmor2: does not matter
[04:15] <davmor2> Lure: 112x968 dpi
[04:16] <Lure> davmor2: ups, what about xdpyinfo | grep dimensions
[04:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: what would be the standard way of building kde apps using icecc and multiple machines ?
[04:16] <Lure> davmor2: it looks like you have very WIDE screen ;-)
[04:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: doesn't want to use more than one thread here....
[04:16] <Lure> davmor2: actually TALL
[04:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: tested export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=10, doesn't help
[04:18] <Tonio_> Lure: any idea on that point ?
[04:18] <Lure> Tonio_: no clue about icecc
[04:18] <davmor2> Lure: 1280x800dpi 289x21 mm
[04:19] <Lure> davmor2: ok, so height is completely wrongly detected, causing wrong dpi (dpi = resolution / size)
[04:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: make -j 10
[04:19] <Lure> davmor2: what kind of vide driver?
[04:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah, sure, ut without touching the package
[04:19] <Riddell> skreech_: what's wrong with 3.5.8?
[04:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I wanna force the -f option within pbuilder in fact
[04:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: no idea I'm afraid
[04:20] <Riddell> -f?
[04:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: any nice way to do it except from writing a horrible hook
[04:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'l just searching for a nice way to force -f option without touching the rules file
[04:21] <davmor2> Lure: intel is the driver.  and it is a intel 945 card
[04:22] <Riddell> I don't know what -f is referring to
[04:22] <Lure> davmor2: you should submit bug against xorg-driver-video-intel and pust you xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log
[04:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum -j sorry :)
[04:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was talking about -j, so the idea would be to force -j to a certain value without touching to the debian/rules file
[04:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I suspect you might not know any better :)
[04:24] <davmor2> Lure okay ta
[04:24] <Lure> davmor2: and attach output of xdpyinfo
[04:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: MAKE = make -j 10 in debian/rules might help
[04:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure, but as I said, "without touching debian/rules" :)
[04:26] <davmor2> Lure okay
[04:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't think there is a way
[04:29] <nixternal> yay, oversleeping is the best!
[04:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: well there is by changing the PATH and make a wrapper script for /usr/bin/make
[04:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about exporting MAKE ?
[04:31] <Tonio_> would that work outside of debian/rules ?
[04:32] <skreech_> Riddell: Strigi is killing me . POeek in #strigi
[04:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, looks like working :)
[04:33] <Jucato> hi nixternal!
[04:34] <nixternal> howdy
[05:05] <davmor2> Lure bug 151311 is there anything missing ?
[05:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151311 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "DPI in kubuntu incorrect on xorg-video-driver-intel" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151311
[05:12] <Riddell> davmor2: it's also incorrect in ubuntu for GDM right?
[05:13] <davmor2> yes but I'll add that shortly when I test it with the rc
[05:14] <Riddell> davmor2: you could maybe fiddle with /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore to work around it
[05:14] <Riddell> but of course the bug should really be fixed in the intel driver
[05:15] <glatzor> Riddell: davmor2: I haven't read the previous discussion. there is a problem with the intel driver?
[05:16] <davmor2> I know I've had it from tribe 5
[05:16] <Riddell> glatzor: he's suffering from https://launchpad.net/bugs/151311
[05:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151311 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "DPI in kubuntu incorrect on xorg-video-driver-intel" [Undecided,New] 
[05:17] <glatzor> lucks funny
[05:18] <davmor2> glatzor: it is kinda fixed in ubuntu by forcing the issue.  and now at least the res is correct.
[05:19] <Lure> davmor2: that is ok
[05:20] <Lure> glatzor: root cause is that screen size is not detected properly which results in wrong DPI calculation
[05:20] <glatzor> davmor2: what does "xrdb -query" say about the dpi value?
[05:20] <Lure> glatzor: there were similar problems with ati, but fixed in recent uploads
[05:22] <davmor2> glatzor: xft dpi is 96 which I did manually
[05:23] <Lure> davmor2: I have added better workaround to the bug comment
[05:23] <Lure> davmor2: that is what I have used on my laptop with ati
[05:25] <davmor2> Lure cool I'll try it on my next run of tests :)
[07:27] (drsatyri/#kubuntu-devel) i maxed my bw w/ it
[07:33] <sebas> _Sime: Yes
[07:34] <_Sime> sebas: what are your plans for T-Dose this weekend? I'm planning to be there both days.
[07:34] <sebas> I'll be going on Sunday, somewhen around noon
[07:34] <sebas> My talk is at 1500 I think
[07:35] <_Sime> do you know what Ade is up to?
[07:36] <sebas> He's there on Saturday, not sure if he's going on Sunday, too
[07:37] <_Sime> Deb's parents live in eindhoven, so I'm just stay in there.
[07:40] <sebas> Aye
[07:40] <sebas> I've done enough conferencing this summer, this one's going to be short for me
[07:40] <sebas> Jos is planning to be there AFAIK
[07:41] <drsatyri> what are the conferences like for ubuntu devs?
[07:42] <sebas> drsatyri: What do you mean?
[07:42] <sebas> Hanging out, chatting, listening to talks and drinking beer afterwards, usually.
[07:43] <drsatyri> well i mean what gets discussed
[07:43] <drsatyri> its obviously different for each conference
[07:43] <drsatyri> but do you feel that the conferences make a big difference?
[07:44] <sebas> I think so, it's much easier to deal with people online that you actually know
[07:45] <drsatyri> so you think it serves a more social function than anything?
[07:46] <sebas> Depends, it's often also a good opportunity to look at what's happening outside your own community
[07:46] <sebas> And lots of things are actually easier to understand when someone explains them.
[07:46] <sebas> And it's also a good way to have people informed about your project
[07:47] <Nightrose> heya sebas ;-)
[07:47] <sebas> hee Nightrose
[07:47] <sebas> The CodeYard cards arrived today, they look cool
[07:47] <Nightrose> groovy
[07:50] <allee> Lure: you found time to backport digikam stuff?
[08:08] <Riddell> davmor2: coming for pie?
[08:12] <_StefanS_> Riddell: isn't there a way to edit an existing patch in a debian package ? (cdbs-edit-patch or something?)
[08:12] <_StefanS_> ah got it.
[08:14] <Riddell> sure, cdbs-edit-patch
[08:14] <Riddell> cdbs-edit-patch debian/patches/01_foo.diff
[08:14] <Riddell> edit
[08:14] <Riddell> exit 0
[08:21] <DaSkreech> Pie?
[08:22] <mhb> squared.
[08:23] <jpatrick> we missed the "r"
[08:23] <mhb> right
[08:56] <nixternal> OK, KDEPIM is annoying me now....when I go to check new email in a folder, all of the new email is up top, but unlike previous releases, it doesn't show them or doesn't automatically select the newest email like before
[09:00] <Lure> allee: no :-( whole evening went for guidance bug triage
[09:00] <Lure> allee: there are many fixes to backport and I am not sure if we should just ask users to use your 0.9.3 repo ;-)
[09:01] <Lure> nixternal: this is changed default, as people have missed new e-mails
[09:02] <Lure> nixternal: you can change it under Misc
[09:02] <TheInfinity> hello ... somebody (dont know who) gave me kde .8 to test ... until now everything works fine :)
[09:03] <nixternal> OH.../me looks at misc
[09:04] <TheInfinity> one bug I already had in .7 version - dolphin always makes an error message that it cant save the favorites
[09:04] <nixternal> Lure: thanks!
[09:05] <nixternal> I can't use dolphin at all...it is totally annoying to me, but that is because I have used Konqueror since it came out
[09:05] <nixternal> I have the same issue when trying to use nautilus or explorer, or any other file manager for that reason
[09:05] <manchicke1> But Dolphin is so cute :)
[09:05] <manchicke1> And it's damn-easy to use.
[09:06] <manchicke1> Dacia loves it.
[09:06] <_StefanS_> clear
[09:06] <_StefanS_> argh :)
[09:06] <DaSkreech> hi joejaxx
[09:07] <nixternal> Is it Jonathan Riddell? (well, the title does contain image riddle :) )
[09:07] <nixternal> hahahaha
[09:09] <mhb> nixternal: eh?
[09:09] <mhb> nixternal: can you explain that to us simple folk?
[09:10] <nixternal> the dude who created an avatar on the planet about one of the "popular" bloggers
[09:10] <nixternal> one of the comments on his blog as that :)
[09:12] <jpatrick> :)
[09:13] <mhb> nixternal: all the ubuntu folks look like that :o)
[09:13] <mhb> I guess that is the blogging gene
[09:14] <nixternal> lol
[09:15] <mhb> nixternal: if your country wont give me a visa on Friday I will be very angry :o)
[09:16] <kwwii_> mhb: I warned them of you
[09:16] <nixternal> it isn't my country...I just live here
[09:17] <kwwii_> nixternal: now don't lie - we all know you own it
[09:17] <nixternal> I hate this place just as much as the rest of the world does
[09:17] <jpatrick> nixternal: come to Europe!
[09:18] <mhb> nixternal: well some people like your country
[09:18] <mhb> nixternal: you can go just about anywhere without a visa, for example
[09:19] <nixternal> jpatrick: my plan is to move to Europe within the next year or so...my x-wife was raised all over the place in Europe, and since I have gotten heavily involved here in free software, there just seem to be way more opportunities there than there is here in the US
[09:19] <nixternal> and she said she would love to move to Europe and live there again :)
[09:19] <drsatyri> not just for oss...
[09:19] <mhb> nixternal: and you had some great people born there, like Richard Feynman
[09:19] <drsatyri> :(
[09:20] <nixternal> some great people is far less than the rest unfortunately :)
[09:20] <drsatyri> i would rather live in europe over the next 10 years than the US :(
[09:20] <nixternal> well that too drsatyri...job isn't the only reason I want to move...everyone seems to have more fun over there...I guess seeing as I am getting up there in age, I would like a change
[09:21] <drsatyri> we are pretty uptight :P
[09:21] <drsatyri> well, our leaders are
[09:21] <drsatyri> im not.
[09:21] <jpatrick> nixternal: any particular country?
[09:21] <nixternal> heh, not nearly as uptight as the people in the neighborhood I live in
[09:22] <mhb> nixternal: and of course, you have some prestigious universities
[09:22] <nixternal> jpatrick: I have always loved Greece and Spain...but honestly anywhere will do
[09:22] <nixternal> universities who pump out corrupted politicians, but ya they are still pretisgious :p
[09:22] <jpatrick> nixternal: I recommend Girona if you're looking into Spain, it's a lovely place
[09:22] <drsatyri> man the eu is so cool :(
[09:23] <drsatyri> plus you all have like...metros.
[09:23] <drsatyri> and a currency.
[09:23] <drsatyri> a REAL one.
[09:23] <nixternal> I like London as well...seeing as I have lived all of my life in or damn close to a big city, I still like the feel of big city life
[09:24] <nixternal> at the same time, I don't want to move to far from Mexico :)  It is by far my favorite place in the world
[09:24] <jpatrick> yeah, but London's like superexpensive (don't get me wrong, I am from there)
[09:24] <drsatyri> mexico?!
[09:24] <drsatyri> really!?
[09:24] <nixternal> I also really liked the country side in places like France and Germany, as well as Ireland
[09:25] <nixternal> drsatyri: ya, so much that I had bought a house in Mexico (Cabo San Lucas) a few years ago, but before I could move in, the people who sold it to me burnt the damn thing down attempting to scam not only me, but also the insurance agency
[09:25] <jpatrick> Germany's where I'd live if I found it hard in the UK
[09:25] <nixternal> I wouldn't mind Germany at all, but it would put me to close to people like kwwii_
[09:26] <nixternal> him moving to Germany was the best thing that ever happened to Chicago :p
[09:26] <mhb> germans are strange in some ways
[09:26] <Ash-Fox> Germany has a bit too insane laws on gaming for my liking.
[09:26] <nixternal> everyone is strange in some ways...look at manchicke1 :D
[09:26] <drsatyri> for instance?
[09:26] <manchicke1> w00t
[09:26] <manchicke1> !visternal
[09:26] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[09:27] <jpatrick> drsatyri: verbs at the end of sentences, weird adjectives, etc
[09:27] <kwwii_> nixternal: trust me, it is just as bad anywhere else as where you are now, just different
[09:27] <mhb> I remember getting slapped by a person when I went to school one day (spent a few weeks there as an exchange student)
[09:27] <nixternal> I always wanted to start up a gang, and have manchicke1 has one of the big chiefs...he would be like Pauly or Sil from the Sopranos
[09:27] <drsatyri> lol
[09:27] <Ash-Fox> http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/15/2159221 <- Raided for making a video game.
[09:27] <manchicke1> You want I should whack the guy bwawss?
[09:28] <nixternal> joo got it, get on ovah dare and take care of it
[09:28] <manchicke1> Joo gwawt it bwawss.
[09:28] <jpatrick> kwwii_: kein Platz ist prefekt
[09:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you still have your RM hat on?
[09:34] <ScottK> Riddell: If you do, would you please accept doko's ia32-libs upload?
[09:39] <joejaxx> DaSkreech: hi
[09:44] <kwwii_> jpatrick: aber ohne scheiss
[09:46] <jpatrick> kwwii_: ich dachte dass Deutschland ein bisschen moderner war oder etwas :>
[09:50] <kwwii_> jpatrick: nicht wo ich wohne - Bayern ist sehr altmodisch
[09:51] <jpatrick> tja, aber diese zeigt mir auf dass mein Deutsch nicht so schlecht ist
[09:53] <kwwii_> lol
[09:54] <jpatrick> hab ich seit 6 Monaten gelernt
[10:12] <mikkael> cool kopete from 3.5.8 can handle my webcam now
[10:13] <mikkael> well its not really useful, since its < 1 fps and im green like a frog
[10:39] <Riddell> j75xzyuz\m68iju7
[10:40] <kwwii_> Riddell: interesting
[10:41] <Riddell> yyy
[11:55] <Riddell> hmm, that'll be the cats then
[12:03] <Riddell> nixternal: alive?  fancy creating https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/RC/Kubuntu ?
[12:03] <Riddell> I imagine copying the Beta one would be appropriate