=== Starting logfile irclogs/kubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | 7.10 Beta out | test 3.5.8! === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Tue Oct 9 23:27:49 2007 [05:09] HI Hobbsee [05:09] hiya [05:10] How are you? === erov [n=j@c-76-22-137-36.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:11] dealing with payment w.r.t a carsmash. === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:18] Ouch [05:18] The new car? [05:19] new car? i dont have a new car === Hobbsee has had this one for a few years === Jucato wonders what it feels like to have a car... === Jucato wonders what it feels like to know how to drive in the first place... [05:20] Well yeah a few years [05:20] seriously I've been talking to you for a few years? [05:20] I can swear I remember when you got that car [05:21] Jucato: fun. but they're expensive when they smash. [05:21] DaSkreech: hm, likely. [05:22] yeah, i would have gotten that a few months before using ubuntu [05:22] which was how many years ago? :) [05:22] j/k [05:23] 2.5 or so [05:23] just under [05:23] yeah sounds about right === Hobbsee is in second year uni, and was supposed to be studying for her trial final exams for school, while actually playing around with ubuntu and kubuntu. === Hobbsee started doing more dev stuff when the final exams were finished. [05:23] that long ago? hehehe === Hobbsee nods [05:24] was breezy, and that's EOL'd now, so yes :) === n8k99 just finished two courses and will be able to finally look at the C++ instructional [05:25] hi n8k99! [05:25] hi Jucato [05:26] FOSS is the strangest set of folks [05:26] heh [05:27] s/is/has/ [05:27] unless you consider folks = software [05:27] i parsed that as a set named FOSS [05:28] wow.. parsed... [05:28] my wife hates when i do that [05:29] when you parse? [05:29] yeah. no. when i use words that don't mean what i think they mean, and end up making them mean what i want [05:29] or something to that effect === neversfelde_ [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db450cc.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:30] Ha ha #def then? [05:31] maybe i am just overloading terms [05:32] Oooh overloading [05:32] function overloading :) [05:32] hehe [05:39] Right anyway People always point out that Oh! Microsoft is cutting off updates for this or Apple won't support that but noone drops support for things faster than the FOSS world. [05:39] Course no one updates faster either [05:40] but if MS or Apple drops support for something, it's totally dead forever... a FOSS app can be revived by anyone [05:41] Jucato: exactly [05:41] I understand the sentiment [05:42] But for well over 80% of the apps that's just not true [05:42] Well it's still true in theory in practice hell no [05:42] ah I just love statistics [05:42] Ignore seamonkey :) [05:42] Jucato: You want to try revive sayy oh a 1/4 of the dead projects on SF.net ? [05:43] if you consider apps that should stay dead... [05:43] also if you consider apps that have massive support/user base [05:46] Well I like gaim. I don't like Pidgin [05:46] No one supports gaim [05:47] DaSkreech: Aren't you in the wrong channel for Gaim/Pigdin arguments? [05:47] Not a gaim pidgin argument === Jucato is too tired to comment [05:48] Jucato: Not really a criticsm either cause if there is an update to a FOSS project most people have updated even before i can tell them about it === Jucato is too tired to comment [05:48] er... [05:48] to think I mean [05:48] which is not even close to true for closed source stuff [05:59] Should bug #151138 be a bug against compiz? IMO if app -compiz works, whatever breaks when compiz is added belongs to compiz. Is there policy on that? [05:59] Launchpad bug 151138 in kdegraphics "presentation mode of kpdf does not work with compiz enabled (in gutsy)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151138 === Hobbsee ponders trying out 3.5.8 [06:14] Working well for me. === DaSkreech sighs [06:16] fine I"ll update [06:17] Riddell: kdevelop has an odd version #, btw === genii [n=user@206-248-152-228.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === genii [n=user@206-248-152-228.dsl.teksavvy.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === innovati [n=innovati@d193-46-180.home3.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === genii [n=user@206-248-152-228.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:40] Bah. Had compiz working under 2.6.22-11 and now -14 has me messed up again. [06:40] meh, compiz. [06:40] yeah [06:41] Does it have some issue with restricted drivers? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee plays with the compiz fire === innovati [n=innovati@d193-46-180.home3.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:52] okay, kaffeine does *not* handle compiz at all well [06:52] at least, zoom === mars_ [n=cb@LSt-Amand-152-33-21-185.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:58] Woah Strigi is eating some CPU resources [06:58] Is it doing anything? [06:59] probably trying to eat your cpu [06:59] indexing most probably === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@81.202.65.108.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === genii [n=user@206-248-152-228.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === skreech_ [n=skreech@72.252.28.71] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:16] Right [07:16] So that killed my machine [07:17] Is strigi Supposed to use that much CPU? [07:17] it shouldnt be now [07:17] (it's buggy yes afaik) [07:17] Just did a full upgrade to KDE 3.5.8 [07:18] did it work? [07:18] Hobbsee: I've never made it index before [07:18] does it have a huge CPU hit when indexing? [07:18] i meant 3.5.8, not strigi [07:18] Well I'm on the command line now if that helps [07:18] Yeah I guess [07:19] But between a daemon battling me for my CPU and a kernel that kills my computer if I look at the time I'm not happy [07:20] I'll kill strigi when it takes over 70% of my memory [07:20] hm.. btw.. I thought Riddell removed it from being autostarted by default? [07:20] Well it is [07:21] Gahahaha it heard me it seems [07:21] Memory use touched 70.8% then dived [07:22] Still taking more than 80% of My CPU [07:23] Hobbsee: so before when it was doing this it was just a runaway prcess? [07:23] unsure [07:23] it was supposed to be fixed [07:23] Jucato: he did [07:23] the new version was supposed to be better [07:26] Welll X is useless I can barely t [07:26] ype in console [07:26] It take a good while for key strokes to register [07:27] something close to 30 seconds for the Numlock light to toggle [07:27] Strigi has stopped eating my CPU but its' sure aeating my memory now [07:28] why not kill it? [07:28] cause I'm a beta tester [07:28] I want to see what's its doing [07:29] I know that beagle used to kill your machine for like 45 minutes after it was installed [07:29] and this is a 250 GB drive [07:30] The CPU uasge has gone done but I hear the drive churning away [07:31] ok, wait for 45 minutes... [07:34] Well as I recall Strigi was supposed to take less time than the other guys to index stuff [07:35] I'd ask in #strig [07:35] i but the room is dead most of the hours out of the day [07:35] why does it keep breaking my sentences? [07:36] Well while I wait this out === mars_ [n=cb@LSt-Amand-152-33-21-185.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:36] Hobbsee no reports of the Clock crashing Gutsy? [07:36] not that i'm aware fo? [07:37] My load is up to 24 now [07:37] sheesh === Hobbsee is glad to not be running strigi [07:37] What is the wa stat for in top ? [07:38] Jucato: Add strigi to your list with Dolphin [07:38] list of what? [07:39] Apps for KDE4 that should stay in KDE4 [07:39] Is wa Wait time? [07:39] has been there on that list since D3lphin :) [07:40] and already expressed my -10 about both === genii [n=user@206-248-152-228.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:40] That's the only thing remotely high in the top stats === skreech_ pops over to X to try login to kopete [07:41] If the machine freezes [07:41] thats why [07:45] Load is down to 16 === Hobbsee writes to her $service provider, telling them of all the ubuntu iso's that they can safely delete. [07:51] Warty [07:51] hoary [07:51] maybe breezy [07:52] yep [07:52] breezy is EOL'd, so yes [07:52] whole lot of snapshot releases === skreech_ still has a breezy box running as a server [07:53] can someone tell me who much swap they have left in top? [07:53] bytes free [07:54] Swap: 1429744k total, 0k used, 1429744k free, 1233028k cached [07:54] but i'm not running strigi [07:54] ah [07:54] swap used and free for me [07:54] Swap: 1027 191 835 [07:55] not running KDE 3 [07:55] 835k free? [07:56] swap? yes [07:56] er.. 835mb [07:56] free -m [07:56] ok [07:56] how much cached? [07:56] 586 [07:57] mb [08:00] ok I have 0k free with 5-7Meg cached [08:01] Looks like strigi goes CPU bound until it becomes memory bound === vlo [n=valentin@80-219-4-3.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:03] Right I'm going to let this churn for the night === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-157-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:09] Hobbsee: if it's any comfort to you, kaffeine doesn't work well on kwin's compositing either (kde4) [08:09] ah right [08:09] it wants to be totally on top, even of it's own dialog boxes... === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:40] Neat My computer is moving so slow I can actually watch a process be killed === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@bchm-4d091840.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === LongPointyStick [n=mystery@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sebas [i=sebas@leviathan.deadlysins.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === waylandbill [n=waylandb@70-101-124-72.dsl1-field.roc.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@nfw001admin-out.wanadooportails.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:21] <_StefanS_> Riddell: where can I get 3.5.8 for testing ? === tmske [n=thomas@kotnet-149.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:27] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jr/ubuntu gutsy main [10:27] _StefanS_: ^^ [10:27] hi [10:27] back to work, I was sick [10:27] _StefanS_: can you resend me the mail with the kdmtheme debdiff please ? [10:27] hey Riddell :) [10:27] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_ [10:27] <_StefanS_> Riddell: thanks :) [10:27] _StefanS_: lost a few emails playing with a server antispam :/ [10:28] sault Tonio_ [10:28] 5 days sick, 40 degrees fever.... sorry for missing the beta tests... [10:29] aw... Tonio_ hope you're feeling better [10:29] someone finally changed the konversation settings ? [10:29] Jucato: I do, indeed [10:29] :) [10:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes they did.. I couldnt understand why konversation started quitting on me all the time, until I noticed it didnt stick in the tray nomore [10:30] Riddell: fyi, otoo late for gutsy, but I started playing with kio-apt, to make it compatible with the new apt:/ ubuntu protocol [10:30] _StefanS_: hum, looks like sho won this time [10:30] but I really, really disapprove those changes..... [10:30] but I'll respect what has been done, no pb [10:30] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yea, me too [10:31] the system tray icon was never one of his issues though [10:31] Jucato: sure it was [10:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: are we going to get an exception for kde 3.5.8 if its proves to be in good shape ? [10:31] Jucato: he compained a lot about the tabs, the systray icon, and the icon theme [10:31] only the C++ patches for modifying configs, the tab position, and the nicklist theme [10:31] <_StefanS_> I thought konversation started to segfault until I found out about the tray configuration :) [10:31] C++ patch for the default server/port I mean [10:33] is that KDE 3.5.8 PPA available for testing for me too? or do I have sign up for something? [10:33] Tonio_: that would be cool [10:33] <_StefanS_> Jucato: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jr/ubuntu gutsy main [10:33] okies :) [10:33] <_StefanS_> Jucato: beware of the download speed.. (or lack of) === Jucato uses his laptop to test everything [10:33] <_StefanS_> Jucato: getting 48kb/s now [10:34] <_StefanS_> Jucato: on a 20mbit line. [10:34] _StefanS_: I'd like it to, it seems remarkably trouble free [10:34] but first, there are RC CDs to be tested! [10:34] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I guess it would be a good thing to keep us ahead :) [10:34] <_StefanS_> Riddell: all others are packaging 3.5.7 [10:35] <_StefanS_> Riddell: whats that url for the testing images ? and the DVD's needs testing too I guess (?) [10:36] <_StefanS_> Riddell: s/testing/RC/ === davmor2 [n=davmor2@82-47-39-199.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:41] still testing, they're not official RC until tomorrow [10:41] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/ [10:41] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/ === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:02] Riddell: bryce has asked that I start a new bug for the intel graphical freakness for kde :( === amachu [n=amachu@202.71.146.210] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mars_ [n=cb@LSt-Amand-152-33-21-185.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@252.69-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@bchm-4d091840.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez_ [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pgquiles_ [n=pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: kde 3.5.8 is installing now.. btw: I wont download those pre-RC images, the server only gives me 89kb/s, would simply take all day [12:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the other from mrgruber.org or whatever was way faster. [12:14] for some strange reason, I couldn't even get updates for 3.5.8 using the PPA... my Fetch Updates must have timed out earlier [12:14] (just dist-upgrading to gutsy's latest updates today) [12:23] Riddell: 3.5.8 looks fine here [12:24] Riddell: I have guidance candidate with two fixes in my ppa (also for others to test), but would really like to resolve CPU MHz bug that there are some reports === gnomefreak getting ready to install it to test === amachu [n=amachu@202.71.146.210] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:27] anybody here have issue like bug 102345 ? [12:27] Launchpad bug 102345 in kde-guidance "kde guidance does not display cpu frequency" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102345 [12:27] Riddell: bug 128666 might also be important, but it requires acpi-support change [12:27] Launchpad bug 128666 in kde-guidance "kde-guidance-powermanager causes double sleep, memory corruption" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128666 [12:27] Riddell: will you provide 3.5.8 packages for feisty? [12:28] pgquiles_: hope so [12:28] Riddell: thank you === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | 7.10 Beta out | test 3.5.8! | test RC candidates https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/build/Kubuntu [12:34] davmor2: has usplash been working for you? [12:39] <_StefanS_> Lure: whats you ppa? [12:39] <_StefanS_> Lure: your [12:40] _StefanS_: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/lure/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse [12:40] <_StefanS_> Riddell: usplash started to work when fglrx was enabled since gutsy... that didnt work on feisty. [12:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I havent seen any problems with it, except for when you have enabled sshd and other services, it shows the console briefly before starting kdm [12:41] <_StefanS_> Lure: goody [12:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: (which is probably fine,.,) [12:44] <_StefanS_> Riddell: can we fix that backlight hotkey btw? [12:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: was it a feature of kmilo that needed some functionality ? [12:45] what backlight hotkey? [12:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: Fn+Home/End on thinkpads [12:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: that thing that stopped working since tribe5 [12:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: using acpi_listen it does trigger the brightness script I can see [12:47] oh, screen brightness [12:47] <_StefanS_> yep [12:47] yes, I believe it needs kmilo to do something, I don't know what, it won't get fixed for gutsy [12:47] <_StefanS_> argh ok.. [12:48] hopefully it won't be very complex, we can just copy whatever gnome's equivalent does [12:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: it does trigger video_brightnessup.sh [12:48] what does? [12:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: donno how that acpi_fakekey works [12:48] _StefanS_: do you know what needs to be done? [12:48] <_StefanS_> well I read that it might be mapping from the hex to the xorg key [12:49] <_StefanS_> someone had a similar problem on dell [12:49] _StefanS_: acpi_fakekey should generate keypress which we map into xkeysym that kmilo then executes [12:49] <_StefanS_> ah ok [12:49] does "xev" command return proper codes and xkeysyms? [12:49] <_StefanS_> it does. [12:50] anyone lately had a chance to upgrade to gutsy from a semi-fresh install of feisty? I think gutsy's ksplash isn't installed or upgraded properly [12:50] <_StefanS_> Lure: 212 for up and 101 for down brightness [12:50] _StefanS_: as other laptops listed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaptopKeycodes ? [12:50] <_StefanS_> lemme check [12:50] sounds ok [12:51] it seems that kernel is not doing the control anymore, therefore something in userspace should do it... [12:51] kmilo in feisty just showed the dialog, but did not actually change brightness === Lure cannot test this as he has HP laptop with brightness controls in HW [12:52] _StefanS_: we would probably just need to steal some code from gnome-p-m and stick it into kmilo/guidance-p-m [12:53] <_StefanS_> Lure: does the brightness interact with ibm_acpi ?? [12:53] <_StefanS_> Lure: in /proc/acpi/ibm/.. ? [12:53] <_StefanS_> Lure: or is that obsolete by now [12:53] _StefanS_: not sure, it looks like that they removed policy from kernel and I suspec hal has support now [12:53] so g-p-m should ask hal to adjust it (but this is just my speculation) === Lure grams gnome-p-m source [12:54] <_StefanS_> Lure: hmm I think its quite important to have it fixed actually.. [12:55] _StefanS_: it would be nice, but I was unaware of this issue (no bug) [12:55] <_StefanS_> Lure: the brightness works on my other laptop (dell inspiron 6400) [12:55] <_StefanS_> Lure: not sure how its implemented though [12:56] _StefanS_: majbe mjg59 can tell us more [12:56] _StefanS_: and Thinkpad does not work? [12:56] <_StefanS_> Lure: thats correct. [12:56] <_StefanS_> Lure: although adjusting the sliders in kde-guidance-p-m works :) [12:56] <_StefanS_> Lure: so maybe we should look there ? [12:57] <_StefanS_> I'm grabbing the source now [12:57] _StefanS_: problem is that python cannot catch global key presses, this is why kmilo takes care of it [12:57] it uses hal [12:58] _StefanS_: but we could modify kmilo to dcop guidance to modify brightness [12:58] <_StefanS_> isnt that somewhat of a hack ? :) [12:58] _StefanS_: not the first one in guidance (due to python/qt/kde limitations) [12:58] ;-) [12:59] <_StefanS_> does kmilo already contain brightness controls for other laptops ? [12:59] _StefanS_: no, just display of dialog [12:59] _StefanS_: there are legacy modules that you may try as workaround [01:00] _StefanS_: kmilo-legacy [01:00] _StefanS_: they have old, ugly low-level code to mess with kernel [01:00] <_StefanS_> oh lets not do that [01:00] _StefanS_: this is why we use just kmilo_generic [01:00] <_StefanS_> lets go the dcop route if thats the easiest way [01:00] _StefanS_: but it may work for your thinkpad (as API is probably the same as hal uses) [01:01] <_StefanS_> yea well kde-guidance-pm works so.. [01:01] _StefanS_: only concern with dcop route is what will hapen with laptops that already work (like your dell): will this increase brightness by two times or will HAL just ignore [01:02] _StefanS_: good thing is that you have both, so we can debug quickly [01:02] _StefanS_: I am at work now, but could work on this in 4-5 hours or so [01:03] <_StefanS_> Lure: well its better for me in the evening, around 9 - 10 oclock [01:03] <_StefanS_> Lure: my local time is gmt+1 [01:03] _StefanS_: same here === Kuhrscher [n=jannick@91.64.3.164] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Kuhrscher [n=jannick@91.64.3.164] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [01:04] kubuntu_14_kmilo_powermanager.diff already uses dcop for suspend/hibernate/showTip [01:04] <_StefanS_> Lure: you said that after acpi_fakekey it looked up stuff in xkey.. something ? [01:04] _StefanS_: right, this is done by /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ubuntu-xmodmap [01:05] _StefanS_: see /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap for list of mappings [01:05] <_StefanS_> got it [01:05] <_StefanS_> well brightness key 212/101 is not listed there [01:05] _StefanS_: then xkeysym is catched by kmilo (KGlobAccel) and does something usefull (suspend, hibernate, battery key) [01:06] _StefanS_: it also catches brightness keys, but does nothing, beside displaying currnt level (afair) [01:06] _StefanS_: really?! then I do not remember this good enough... ;-) [01:06] <_StefanS_> Lure: so creating 212/101 and appropriate keys here wont have any effect? [01:06] <_StefanS_> XF86Brightness whatever [01:07] _StefanS_: try adding mapping [01:07] _StefanS_: then we need to catch it in kmilo [01:07] _StefanS_: right, generic does not have brightness (only ibm and old legacy have it) [01:08] _StefanS_: so we need to: [01:08] 1. add mapping to /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu. [01:08] 2. add KGlobalAccell to kmilo_generic [01:08] 3. kmilo_generic to call pm via dcop [01:09] 4. add dcop methods to pm [01:09] That is doable in decent time, it just involves several packages (kdebase, kdeutils, guidance) [01:09] <_StefanS_> so is it entirely freeform for the naming of the XF86 key? [01:09] but all of them might need updated anyway (3.5.8 + guidance fixes) [01:09] <_StefanS_> well theyre all slated for update anywya [01:09] <_StefanS_> :D [01:09] _StefanS_: no [01:10] _StefanS_: they are documented somewhere, just do not recall now where [01:10] <_StefanS_> Lure: XF86BrightnessUp, XF86BrightnessDown, [01:10] <_StefanS_> so that was easy [01:10] _StefanS_: great [01:11] <_StefanS_> I will add them now [01:11] <_StefanS_> is that when you get a good idea ?? : XF86LightBulb [01:11] <_StefanS_> hehe [01:12] ;-) === Lure busy -> bbl [01:14] <_StefanS_> hmm it seems like it doesnt like brighnessup/down XF86 keys [01:16] <_StefanS_> brb === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:19] <_StefanS_> Riddell: KDE 3.5.8 works great here aswell === _superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db43f97.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@04-149.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde_ [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db4438a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:55] <_StefanS_> Lure: the brightnessUp/Down is already available in the most recent kde-guidance-pm [01:55] <_StefanS_> Lure: works fine from commandline [01:55] <_StefanS_> Lure: dcop power-manager-16439 power-manager brightnessUp/Down [01:56] _StefanS_: great, I forgot about that ;-) [01:56] <_StefanS_> :) [01:56] <_StefanS_> Lure: so according to your recipe, we need to patch in that call in kmilo [01:56] _StefanS_: yep, 1. - 3. only [01:58] <_StefanS_> Lure: what should we call that XF86 key... BrightnessUp/Down doesnt exist apparently [01:58] _StefanS_: just extend debian/patches/kubuntu_14_kmilo_powermanager.diff [01:58] <_StefanS_> alright [01:58] _StefanS_: so no brightnessXX? [01:58] <_StefanS_> nop [01:59] _StefanS_: we could just use some generic ones, like XF86LaunchX [01:59] <_StefanS_> although I found this in /usr/include/X11/XF86keysym.h: #define XF86XK_KbdBrightnessUp 0x1008FF05 [02:00] <_StefanS_> and a corresponding Down aswell. [02:00] _StefanS_: not the best, but very non-conflicting, I would cay [02:00] <_StefanS_> can you make as manu XF86LaunchX as you want? [02:00] _StefanS_: no, they are predefined somewhere in X headers === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.11.171] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:02] _StefanS_: see here for candidates: http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/howto_keyboard.php [02:02] _StefanS_: there is only XF86BrightnessAdjust [02:04] _StefanS_: we can just go with XF86LaunchD & XF86LaunchE for the time being [02:05] _StefanS_: found it, the actual list is in /usr/share/X11/XKeysymDB [02:06] _StefanS_: SunVideoLowerBrightness/SunVideoRaiseBrightness ;-) [02:06] _StefanS_: second attempt to catch you [02:10] <_StefanS_> mhb: it was just a rename of GDebi Package installer to Package installer, but since we have string freeze, it cant be done. So that was it :) [02:10] <_StefanS_> Lure: ok, lets try that [02:11] _StefanS_: right, but it can be done for hardy, remind me again during the cycle [02:12] <_StefanS_> Lure: mapping works for the sun keys through xev [02:15] _StefanS_: great, just patch kmilo and we are done [02:15] _StefanS_: and hide the fixes in Riddell's 3.5.8 upload ;-) === nosrednaekim remembers to go test the [02:16] *them [02:17] any feisty user around? [02:17] over in #kubuntu ;) [02:17] Lure: If I was sufficiently motivated I could reboot into it. [02:18] ScottK: no need === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db4438a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:18] OK. [02:18] will ask in -testers otherwise will take nosrednaekim suggestion ;-) === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:21] <_StefanS_> Lure: I think I get it now :) - I will it tonight maybe [02:21] <_StefanS_> patch it [02:21] _StefanS_: just ping me if you need help, but I am sure you will be fine [02:22] _StefanS_: and test on dell for potential side-effects [02:22] <_StefanS_> Jups [02:24] i'd test it, but my brightness keys are hardware-linked :). [02:24] <_StefanS_> I'm just about to hardwire my own... this just anoying [02:26] <_StefanS_> oh jeez.. why is ppa.lp.net so slow [02:26] <_StefanS_> 11 kb/s === Mez|Away [n=mez@torpor.sourceguru.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:26] don't worry _StefanS_, I haven't added to the load yet :) [02:26] er wait [02:26] _StefanS_: because my packages are more poluar than ubuntu main repo? ;-) [02:26] I have! O.o [02:26] but Riddel's :P [02:26] <_StefanS_> hehe [02:27] <_StefanS_> donno, it could sure use some sort of upgrade... === Mez|Away [n=mez@torpor.sourceguru.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ash-Fox [n=N@host81-136-252-148.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [02:44] Riddell: I'm definitely liking 3.5.8 so far. Did you see my comment on sftp on #kubuntu-testers from last night? [02:44] Good clean bug fixing fun as far as I can tell. [02:46] I did indeed === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:51] Riddell: OK. Great. If there is specific stuff you want looked at, please let me know. [02:51] nothing specific === Hobbsee notes that ubuntu gutsy is looking really really nice [02:52] Hobbsee: considering switching? ;-) [02:52] Lure: oh, i do every release or so - and then come back to KDE, because it works so nicely. [02:53] but then, it doesnt get the love that ubuntu gets, so it's a tough call === jpatrick [n=patrick@177.Red-88-14-91.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:53] Riddell: 3.5.8 seems to wokr great, btw [02:53] Riddell: what is the probability to get 3.5.8 in for gutsy? did you discuss it with others from release team? [02:54] Lure: tentatively discussed between the two of us, but didnt really get traction for going further [02:54] of course, now that we actually *have* it [02:54] kinda sucks when you're still just downloading 3.5.8 and everyone's confirmed that it works already :P [02:55] Lure: I might be able to quietly sneak it in [02:55] Riddell: nice :) [02:55] Riddell: you sneak it, i'll give you the verbal ack, and you can do the actual approving. works perfectly :) [02:55] of course there's also KDE 4 beta 3 to be packaged [02:55] Riddell: and please wait for brightness fixes from _StefanS_ === Riddell high fives Hobbsee [02:55] Riddell: ^5 :D [02:55] Riddell: it's great having 2 kde people in the release team. [02:56] Hobbsee: so kubuntu gutsy+1 release (with kde4 by default ) will be at the same time as kde party? ;-) [02:56] Lure: unsure - when's the kde party? [02:56] Hobbsee: January ;-) === Hobbsee suspects that the sydney party is actually going to be before the release [02:57] heh [02:57] gutsy+1 doesnt plan to hvae kde4 by default [02:57] Hobbsee: would be great to distribute Kubuntu/kde4 CDs [02:57] gutsy+1 = no kde 4... [02:57] Hobbsee: wait until UDS ;-) [02:57] oooooh... [02:57] Jucato: "by default" [02:57] Lure: i wont be there. [02:57] Lure: but indeed, it would be [02:58] Hobbsee: me neither (I wil be just back from US before UDS) [02:58] Riddell: yep. forgot that [02:59] Riddell: I am really not sure if kde 3.5.x (without anybody working on it anymore) is better for LTS [02:59] Riddell: maybe having kde4.0 with exception from release team to upload 4.1 as -updates would be better [02:59] i honestly cant see the poitn of still distributing kde3, but i'd like to wait until we see more of it before making that decision [02:59] based on how we've not done any particular LTS work for dapper in the last while, it's effectively a normal release for us [03:00] we didtn even provide teh latest kde versoins, with mostly bug fixes. [03:00] Riddell: LTS does have update CD's, therefore it would be easier to distribute larger updates too === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-50-83.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:00] Hobbsee: and that is the problem with LTS - it is so frozen, that you cannot even get bug fixes ;-) [03:01] Lure: indeed. [03:01] Lure: well, all of them are, to some extent - but wedont provide the separate kde bits [03:02] don't we also have to consider how 4.0 itself will turn out first? [03:03] yeah [03:04] um.. another thing to consider is that we will have to probably sheep 2 KDE's if we include 4.0 by default [03:04] er... did I just say sheep? [03:04] yes, twice [03:04] hehe [03:04] jpatrick: btw, grats on getting motu back :) [03:04] saw your special mention on the list [03:05] Jucato: I never lost it in the first place :) [03:05] Riddell: just testing the kub desktop cd. I managed to change the font to a fixed 96dpi now it looks perfect :) [03:05] jpatrick: ok, getting reactivated [03:06] Unless KDE4 gets magically a lot more solid, no KDE3 in Hardy would have me thinking very hard about another distro. I need working a lot more than I need latest and greatest (he types from his Dapper desktop). === Ash-Fox [n=N@host81-136-252-148.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [03:12] davmor2: what was it set to before? [03:13] none of the above I think hang on and I'll tell you :) === jpatrick [n=patrick@177.Red-88-14-91.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mars [n=cb@LSt-Amand-152-33-21-185.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:15] Riddell: forced fonts dpi disabled. [03:15] by switching it to 96 I now have a perfect kubuntu desktop :) === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.93.92.71] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pgquiles__ [n=pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bddebian@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === amachu [n=amachu@59.92.89.68] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:55] Heya [03:55] hi bddebian [03:55] Hi Jucato [03:56] Riddell: I've done screen shots for heno http://www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/kub32menu.png , http://www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/kub32firefoxinfo.png , http://www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/kub32install.png === pgquiles_ [n=pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:00] davmor2: what's that for? [04:00] Riddell: screenshots of winfoss [04:01] davmor2: but for what? [04:01] winfoss needs new screenshots of Kubuntu [04:02] although we need a screenshot of winfoss for the release announcement [04:02] they are the kubuntu winfoss menu and stuff [04:05] I see that, just don't see why we need screenshots of it [04:05] davmor2: what does xdpyinfo|grep resolution return for you? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:08] Morning Jucato [04:08] morning skreech_ [04:09] Hiya Hobbsee, Riddell [04:09] hi skreech_ [04:13] Lure: on what sorry I have three different desktops on the go at present === skreech_ hasn't been able to like 3.5.8 yet :-( [04:13] davmor2: the one where you had to fix dpi manually [04:14] [5~[5~[6~ [04:14] before or after the fix? [04:14] Lure: ^^^ [04:14] davmor2: does not matter [04:15] Lure: 112x968 dpi [04:16] davmor2: ups, what about xdpyinfo | grep dimensions [04:16] Riddell: what would be the standard way of building kde apps using icecc and multiple machines ? [04:16] davmor2: it looks like you have very WIDE screen ;-) [04:16] Riddell: doesn't want to use more than one thread here.... [04:16] davmor2: actually TALL [04:17] Riddell: tested export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=10, doesn't help [04:18] Lure: any idea on that point ? [04:18] Tonio_: no clue about icecc [04:18] Lure: 1280x800dpi 289x21 mm [04:19] davmor2: ok, so height is completely wrongly detected, causing wrong dpi (dpi = resolution / size) [04:19] Tonio_: make -j 10 [04:19] davmor2: what kind of vide driver? [04:19] Riddell: yeah, sure, ut without touching the package [04:19] skreech_: what's wrong with 3.5.8? [04:20] Riddell: I wanna force the -f option within pbuilder in fact [04:20] Tonio_: no idea I'm afraid [04:20] -f? [04:20] Riddell: any nice way to do it except from writing a horrible hook [04:20] Riddell: I'l just searching for a nice way to force -f option without touching the rules file [04:21] Lure: intel is the driver. and it is a intel 945 card [04:22] I don't know what -f is referring to [04:22] davmor2: you should submit bug against xorg-driver-video-intel and pust you xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log [04:22] Riddell: hum -j sorry :) === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-051-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:22] Riddell: I was talking about -j, so the idea would be to force -j to a certain value without touching to the debian/rules file [04:23] Riddell: but I suspect you might not know any better :) [04:24] Lure okay ta [04:24] davmor2: and attach output of xdpyinfo [04:24] Tonio_: MAKE = make -j 10 in debian/rules might help [04:25] Riddell: sure, but as I said, "without touching debian/rules" :) [04:26] Lure okay [04:29] Tonio_: I don't think there is a way [04:29] yay, oversleeping is the best! 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