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=== Topic for #kubuntu: Official Kubuntu support channel | Gutsy help _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | FAQ: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/CommonQuestions | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFeistyKnownProblems | Free Kubuntu CDs! https://shipit.kubuntu.org | Large pastes: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Offtopic in #kubuntu-offtopic please. | KDE 4.0 beta 2 -- http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
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(DaSkreech/#kubuntu) Jucato: compile seamonkey! :)05:08
(Jucato/#kubuntu) nani?05:08
(Jucato/#kubuntu) er.. I mean "what"?05:08
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(DaSkreech/#kubuntu) Ha ha05:09
(DaSkreech/#kubuntu) se7en^Of^9: Lies!05:09
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DaSkreechJucato: No seamonkey on Ubuntu :-P05:09
Jucatoyeah. I never use seamonkey...05:09
DaSkreechYeah apparently no one uses a *buntu box does05:10
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smaxhi05:11
Goop2I compiled Firefox once.. its really not hard05:11
Goop2even I can do it05:11
Goop2=P05:11
smaxGoop2:  why would you want to compiler it over apt-get ?05:11
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Goop2I wanted the newer version05:12
ubunturosGoop2: Firefox 3?05:12
Goop2FF205:12
Goop2then I was told it was in the respos05:12
sitaramhello all; is there a dpkg/apt* command/option that can give me the install-time of each package on the system, or is parsing the log files the only way?  Couldn't find an answer in the man pages/docs05:13
ardchoille!info firefox05:14
ubotufirefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.6+1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9045 kB, installed size 28668 kB05:14
Zelutsitaram: I have looked for the same and from what I can tell dpkg doesn't support that.05:14
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Zelutsitaram: I wish it did, as I've used it quite a bit with rpm (rpm -qi)05:15
sitaramZelut: thanks for confirming my suspicions -- always helps to ask in case I missed something!05:15
SivanandaJucato: Hmm... looks like folks there are more interested in arguing over linux vs micro vs mac right now...05:15
sitaramactually I like "rpm -qa --last" -- very little known but lovely option :-)05:16
Goop2I like both Linux AND Mac05:16
Jucatojust wait for the storm to die down. eventually an op will tell them that it's offtopic05:16
Jucato!offtopic05:16
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!05:16
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Jucatolike that05:16
ZelutGoop2: and I run linux on a mac :)05:16
Goop2Zelut: sweetness. I want to do that05:16
ZelutGoop2: kubuntu 7.10 beta on my macbook, ubuntu 7.04 on my wifes imac05:17
smaxdoes anyone  have a link to install an nvidia card on feisty fawn?05:17
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Jucato!nvidia | smax05:17
ubotusmax: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto05:17
smaxthanx05:18
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Goop2I read that ATi has Linux support now05:19
ubunturoswould 8.04 have facilities to directly upgrade from 6.06? (just curious)05:20
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Zelutubunturos: yes05:20
Jucatoubunturos: most probably yes05:20
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DaSkreechGoop2: We shall see05:22
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scheater6I thought upgrades were only supported from one version to the next, and skipping one or more releases required upgrading through them all, i.e. Dapper->Edgy->Feisty, etc05:22
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Zelutscheater6: normally yes, but for LTS to LTS they do plan an upgrade path.05:23
Zelut...at least that is what they said at Ubuntu Live05:23
Jucatoscheater6: it's a different case for LTS I think05:24
scheater6IC.  Thank you05:24
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bazhangZelut: any issues with sound on your Macbook and Gutsy?05:24
DaSkreechsitaram: try man:/dpkg05:24
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Zelutbazhang: uhm, hardware mute button doesn't completely mute.  that's the only bug I've reported on the matter05:25
scheater6Zelut: does it "partially mute," that is, drop the volume?05:25
bazhangZelut: so full sound works otherwise?05:25
masterylabhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii05:25
Zelutscheater6: it *almost* mutes. It's very, very faint but not completely muted.05:25
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DaSkreechscheater6: I'll believe it when I see it but that's the plan :)05:25
Zelutscheater6: theory is on the bug report that its muting the wrong channel or something.05:26
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Zelutbazhang: listening to some streaming .ogg with amarok now.05:26
scheater6Zelut: I had a similar problem with a Dell on Edgy and before.  It was in fact muting the wrong channel.  Muting PCM, I believe05:26
ZelutI need to update my post on installing on a macbook.  A number of things have been fixed since my original05:27
Zeluthttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook is generally pretty good though.05:28
bazhangZelut: sweet. did you need to do anything special to set up sound?05:29
Zelutbazhang: on 7.10? no.05:29
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ZelutiSight camera still doesn't work out of the box still though05:29
Zelut..that's about the only thing05:29
bazhangZelut: thanks tons..05:29
Zelutit can be made to work, just not out of the box yet.05:30
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Zelutbazhang: I'm a bit of a glutton for punishment (or I just really am addicted to bugs).  I run pretty much perpetual alpha/beta on this machine.05:30
scheater6Zelut: how about wifi?  I believe I read you have to have madwifi?  So not exactly "out-of-the-box- but nearly so?05:30
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bazhangZelut: so going to Hardy Heron when it comes out?05:31
Zelutscheater6: uhm, actually you I didn't think about that. madwifi works pretty good, but also not working right away.  I've succumbed to the ndiswrapper yet again.05:31
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Zelutbazhang: most likely. someone has to squash the bugs before they get to the rest of ya'll05:32
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bazhangZelut: haha thanks.05:32
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scheater6Zelut: eh, better ndiswrapper than nothing at all.  I calm my conscious by reason that I did buy the driver after all.  Thanks for the info - I'm probably buying a macbook soon.05:33
Zelut..plus, running stable is just no fun. no surprises. everything just works.05:33
ardchoilleZelut: Some of us like it that way05:33
Zelutscheater6: might want to watch my blog for a new tutorial on installing for the macbook.  http://ubuntu-tutorials.com05:33
Zelutardchoille: yeah, and it is nice for most people.. just for me--I need something to do :)05:34
bazhangthanks for the link!05:34
Zelutbazhang: I've only recently gone to KDE so expect more Kubuntu related posts soon, but the previous are fairly gnome specific.05:35
scheater6Zelut: good deal.05:35
JucatoZelut: btw, regarding your plan on making a tutorial for upgrading from Kubuntu Feisty to Gutsy, please note that if they are going to do it manually, you need "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --install-recommends"05:35
ZelutJucato: is that required with aptitude as well? I never use apt-get anymore05:35
Jucatoafaik not w/ aptitude. it installs recommends by default05:36
ardchoilleZelut: Nice link that05:36
Jucatobut you might note the apt-get way too. it's a tutorial anyway :)05:36
JucatoZelut: and if you're interested as well, there's a GUI way too :)05:36
ZelutJucato: in gnome I'd suggest 'gksudo update-manager -c -d'05:37
ZelutJucato: is that much different for adept/kde?05:37
Jucatoyep05:37
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Jucatohttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f5205:37
ardchoilleZelut: One of the problems with plain "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" is that if the newer release had apps the old release didn't have, you didn't get them during the upgrade and you probably won't know what to search for in the repos.05:38
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JucatoZelut: we don't have update-manager (the GNOME app) so Adept must be upgraded to a version that supports that feature05:38
Zelutperfect05:38
ardchoilleZelut: I have been told upgrading via adept takes care of that05:38
Jucatoardchoille: dist-upgrade installs new apps as long as they are dependencies. the --install-recommends takes care of those that arent' depends but are recommends05:39
Jucatofor gutsy, there was a sort of refactoring of the kubuntu-desktop metapackage, hence the need for --install-recommends in apt-get05:39
ardchoilleJucato: Yeah, I like that --install-recommends option05:39
Zelutardchoille: i've always done the aptitude update ; upgrade ; dist-upgrade (or safe-upgrade ; full-upgrade now)05:39
Zelutbut the gui option does seem a bit smarter/cleaner05:40
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ardchoilleI've never used adept for upgrading. The only two times I upgraded (using apt-get and then aptitude) it broke almost everything. I just do clean installs now cuz I got it down to about ten minutes in front of the computer thanks to bash scripts.05:41
Jucatobut it's still younger compared to the update-manager.. so sometimes there are a few rough edges05:41
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Zeluti'm off to bed ya'll.05:42
ardchoilleg'night05:42
ardchoilleI think that site is a great idea.. nice to have easy-to-follow tutorials05:43
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DaSkreechNIght05:45
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DaSkreechHey can you install source from adept ?05:45
Jucatonope05:46
DaSkreechAny plans for it?05:46
Jucatodunno. ask the devs05:46
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DaSkreechJust occurred to me there is a source repo in the preferences but no way to make use of them05:47
vezwhat is the easiest way to compile c++ with g++?05:48
hydrogeng++ file -o object05:48
hydrogenIIRC05:48
DaSkreechOr gcc which will call g++05:49
hydrogennot always05:49
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hydrogenyou should call g++ on c++ files05:49
hydrogenand gcc on c files05:49
vezright so any are the headers the same as in win05:49
vezwindows05:49
hydrogensome are05:49
hydrogennot all05:50
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Jucatoas long as you use the standard ones, they should be the same05:50
vezkk05:50
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intelikeyah man it really tic's me off.05:55
intelikeyi know it shouldn't do that.  but it does.05:56
vezoh haha05:56
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vezI thought gcc would be installed but I dont think it is :p05:57
intelikeyno05:57
Jucatovez: install build-essential05:57
vezIm new05:57
intelikey!b-e | vez05:57
ubotuvez: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)05:57
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ubunturosvez: you'll probaly find the package on the Live CD too05:58
intelikeywhy does every one ASSUME that if you don't use a gui then the box MUST BE HEADLESS ???05:58
intelikeyi just went trolling on efnet #ubuntu  ....05:58
Jucatothere's a different #ubuntu channel on a different server? kool05:59
intelikeyJucato it's pretty small.05:59
intelikeyJucato there was a ubuntu channel on all irc servers by the time warty released...05:59
Jucatosmaller = less traffic = less rules :)06:00
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intelikeyyeah.  less help too06:00
Jucatobut apparently != nicer people06:00
Jucatoheheh06:00
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intelikeyJucato actually they were nice enough.   errr shoot,  you got me....06:00
intelikeyman i should have seen that comming.06:00
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Jucato:P06:00
intelikey;/06:01
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intelikeyi do not C that06:01
Jucatoyou can C++ that though06:02
intelikeyoh was it ++ specific....    see i didn't know enough to catch that.06:02
Jucato // comments are C++06:03
Jucato /* this is C and offtopic */06:03
Les_Caesarsdoes anyone here know how to raise the history cap on kickoff from 0 to something higher than 0?06:03
intelikeyi really probably should learn a little C / C++    but i doubt i will.06:03
Jucatointelikey: what do you need it for? you have Perl for everything you need right now :)06:03
intelikeylol06:03
Jucatoall that's left is for you to have a Perl-based OS/kernel... there's a Perl-based toolkit already so a GUI isn't far behind :P06:04
Jucatoanyway.. really lunch06:04
intelikeyk06:04
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JucatoLes_Caesars: just a guess, you could probably ask in #opensuse or #opensuse-kde about that since it's their product06:04
Les_CaesarsJucato: they just tell me to f-off because I use Kubuntu06:05
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Jucatohow nice hahaha06:05
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intelikeyare you sure that was suse and not debian ?06:05
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vezk so it say's in adept manager that gcc is installed and this is the error when I try to use.06:06
vez~/Desktop/c++$ g++ C++_learn_1 -o06:06
KevlarSoulOkay I installed the Alternate CD without a hitch, or so the percentage bars and reboot prompt told me....when I rebooted, grub is fine, but then black screen...is there a way I can get into the terminal and update the installation? Is there a way to get to terminal from the ALternate CD install screen, and get it to install the updates from online?06:06
vezThe program 'g++' can be found in the following packages:06:06
vez * g++06:06
vez * pentium-builder06:06
vezTry: sudo apt-get install <selected package>06:06
vezMake sure you have the 'universe' component enabled06:06
vezbash: g++: command not found06:06
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Jucato!paste | vez06:06
ubotuvez: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)06:06
vezwhoops06:06
Les_Caesarsintelikey: heh. Is debian's IRC channel that way too?06:06
intelikeythis is alwo a small flood06:06
intelikeyLes_Caesars maybe worse.06:06
intelikeyLes_Caesars it can be as bad as #perl some times.06:07
Jucatovez: did you install "build-essential" like you were told too?06:07
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Les_Caesarsoh man. I've never been in perl06:07
vezya i tryed06:07
Jucatovez: also, you need to put a file name after -o06:07
intelikeyJucato yeah.  that's the only reason i haven't.06:07
Jucatovez: like "g++ file.cpp -o filename_you_want_the_executable_to_be_called"06:07
vezinstall: missing destination file operand after `build-essential' Try `install --help' for more information.06:08
Jucatovez: sudo apt-get install build-essential06:08
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vezman sry noobing around guys ;)06:09
intelikey!b-e | vez one more time.   maybe you really should have a look on this page.06:09
ubotuvez one more time.   maybe you really should have a look on this page.: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)06:09
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bazhanghow many nicks can this server handle?06:11
KevlarSoul Is there an issue with 64bit systems and 8800 GTX?06:11
fawxwhut does it mean by (dummy package) for wine?06:11
Jucatobazhang: you'll have to ask #freenode people06:11
bazhangJucato: hi! and thanks!06:12
intelikeyKevlarSoul the bug reports should reveil that06:12
Jucatobye! :)06:12
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intelikeywould you just go eat    and stop baby setting the channel06:12
intelikeyfawx a dummy package   also known as a meta package   doesn't contain any files   they normally have and/or fill dependancies tho.06:14
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intelikeyfawx thus installing the meta package   ubuntu-desktop  would install also every thing that that package depends on.   for a list   do   apt-cache show <package-name>06:15
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fawxoh..06:16
fawxso do i need the development files for wine06:18
fawx?06:18
fawxi tried the list thing..06:18
purpleposeidonMy laptop suffers ocasional wifi outages, how can I fix this?06:18
Dr_willislist thing?06:18
intelikeyfawx only if you need them.      i know that sounds cyrcular...06:18
intelikeyfawx i mean if something asks for them.  install them06:19
fawxmmk? ::still lost::06:19
fawxok06:19
intelikeyDr_willis apt-cache show blah06:20
intelikeyon a meta package ^06:20
intelikeyoh my.  is anyone elses  dpkg.log  -gt 2m  ???06:22
dorkfaceHi all, is there a list of absolutely necessary startup programs, so I can start from that list and work from there?06:22
dorkfacesince my laptop isn't the fastest in the world...,06:22
DaSkreechdorkface: the kernel... maybe bash06:23
intelikeydorkface you want to strip it to the minimal ?06:23
Dr_willisI find ubuntu decently speedy on my rather low end laptop.06:23
DaSkreech!info ubuntu-minimal06:23
ubotuubuntu-minimal: Minimal core of Ubuntu. In component main, is important. Version 1.43 (feisty), package size 16 kB, installed size 44 kB06:23
intelikeyDaSkreech heh lets not forget libc6  and  init and mount and .....06:23
Dr_willisdont install any services ya dont need i guess. :) not sure what else youmight want to remove.06:23
dorkfacejust for startup06:23
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dorkfaceso it willl login faster06:24
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Dr_willislogin faster? or BOOT faster?06:24
vezis there a c++ support room??06:24
dorkfacelogin06:24
intelikeyvez it's called   #C++   i think06:24
Dr_williswell if kde is taking a long time to load.. You might want to try a different window manager.06:24
Dr_willisor roll your own tweaked fluxbox + a few select kde parts.06:24
intelikeyblackbox  :)06:25
dorkfaceit's not taking too long, I just wanted to see if I could optimize it06:25
Dr_willisMatchbox06:25
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Dr_willis:)06:25
dorkfaceah06:25
DaSkreech#cplusplus06:25
ardchoilledorkface: The best way to have a really fast login is to not log out unless an upgrade requires it06:25
Dr_willisits always tweakable.. :) but  you may have to do some reading on the innerds of kde.06:25
intelikeydorkface i would start by turning off the things you don't have to have    i.e. in the startup process...06:26
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dorkfacethat's what my first question was :)  I wanted to know what NOT to turn off, so I didn't mess up anything06:26
dorkfaceI guess it is a left over habit from windows06:27
intelikeyDr_willis you wont see it all there.   remember /etc/X11/* and /etc/kde*/*06:27
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BillyBeanshey is dovecot easy to install?06:27
DaSkreech!info dovecot06:27
ubotuPackage dovecot does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas06:27
DaSkreechGuess not :)06:28
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DaSkreechdorkface: It's a different ball game in Linux06:28
intelikeydorkface better question might be "how can i undo this if/when i do break something"  :)06:28
dorkfacehehe06:28
intelikeydorkface make a backup first and if needed restore it.06:28
DaSkreechOut side of the Kernel and maybe bash you can strip pretty much anything you want06:28
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dorkfaceah06:29
hydrogenwell, and you know.. a libc06:29
geniibusybox is good06:29
Dr_willisits always fun taking some minimal window manager, and adding in stuff you like.    fluxbox, +idesk, + conky,06:29
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intelikeycheers genii06:30
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BillyBeansi am setting up a mta with kubuntu, which imap server should i use?06:31
intelikeyi'm quite fond of floppy disk distros    "blueFlops"   "basicLinux"   and the like....06:31
geniifli4l, linuxrouter,toms root boot, etc06:32
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dorkfaceintelikey :I don't know, floppy drives are getting harder and harder to find, hehe.06:32
intelikeylinuxrouter ummm  :)06:32
geniiintelikey: I think it evolved into coyote06:33
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intelikeydorkface need a few i have plenty.   i still have both 5.25 and 3.5 drives in every box.06:33
YorokobiBillyBeans, Postfix + Dovecot for SMTP and POP3/IMAP, respectively06:33
intelikeygenii i still have a copy of it when it was linuxrouter tho06:33
geniiintelikey: LOL me too06:33
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=== dorkface misses his 5.25 disks with montezuma's revenge and armor alley on them
geniidorkface: C64 games?06:35
dorkfacefirst one is apple IIe, second one was dos06:35
dorkfaceplayed it on an PC built from, of all companies, ATT06:35
hydrogenBlockout is still the best version of 3d tetris I've played06:36
dorkfaceack, stupid seven key button doesn't work06:36
hydrogenand thats a 5.25 disc06:36
geniidorkface: I remember they used to have same game on 1 5 1/4, 1 side Apple, other side C6406:36
BillyBeansi have postfix setup06:36
BillyBeansis dovecot hard to setup?06:36
dorkfacegenii : wow, I didn't know they could do that06:36
geniidorkface: They had to have 2 notches06:36
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BillyBeanssudo apt-get install dovecot-imapd dovecot-pop3d06:37
geniiBut I'm wandering OT :)06:37
_2i'm back.06:37
hydrogenyay!06:37
hydrogenthis channel wasn't the same06:37
hydrogenwithout you06:37
Tm_Toh noes! root!06:37
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intelikeywho be's root'n ?06:38
hydrogenI'm rootin!06:38
Tm_T0737 -!- _2 is "root"06:38
hydrogenur box!06:38
intelikeyTm_T read again.  that's   UN_root06:38
intelikeylol06:38
Tm_Tintelikey: your realname ;-P06:38
intelikeyheh  makes you wonder doesn't it ...06:39
intelikey| intelikey (n=UN_root@dialup-4.227.14.87.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net) (Network)06:39
intelikey: ircname  : root06:39
Daisuke_Idoso i'm considering gentoo06:39
intelikeyDaisuke_Ido gopher it.06:40
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Daisuke_Idosorry, couldn't keep a straight face there06:40
hydrogentopic!06:40
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Daisuke_Idoperhaps eventually, and certainly only on this machine (i would hate to even attempt it on the laptop06:41
intelikeyDaisuke_Ido i was kinda hoping you were serious...   so if i deside to try gentoo i'd have some one i could quiz about it....06:41
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hydrogeni'm quizabble06:42
hydrogenI was a gentoo junkie for way too long06:42
hydrogenand still maintain my own ricer partition :)06:42
intelikeyyeah but you don't like me....06:42
intelikeyit's a joke.      :)06:42
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hydrogenno its not!06:44
intelikeyhydrogen are partitions required for installing gentoo ?06:44
intelikeyheh06:44
hydrogenhmm06:44
hydrogenI'd say a partition is06:44
bazhanggreetings all06:44
hydrogenbut I suppose you could make it work without one06:44
hydrogenit'd just be a crazy adventure/exploration06:45
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hydrogenI wouldn't try it06:45
intelikeyoh,  well if they aren't required i wouldn't use one.06:45
intelikeybazhang06:45
bazhangintelikey: hi!06:45
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intelikeyhydrogen i went trolling on efnet #ubuntu just a while ago,  and mentioned not haveing any partitions,   i get the strangest remarks from that....06:46
hydrogenhaha :)06:47
bazhangway off topic here--but if Kubuntu and Ubuntu are going to have effects by default, then is it off-topic to talk about effects in #ubuntu+1 and #ubuntu-effects--sorry if that's too meta.06:47
intelikeybazhang i wouldn't think so.  but i'm not the one with the say so on that.06:48
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Les_Caesars!kickoff06:48
ubotuKickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/233106:48
Daisuke_Idoefnet has an #ubuntu?06:48
bazhangintelikey: ok thanks.06:48
intelikeyDaisuke_Ido wy yes06:48
intelikeybazhang intelikey rule of thumb on that kind of thing.  if it's default, it's on topic.06:49
Daisuke_Idonot an official channel, i hope, as efnet has the reputation of being full of wankers et al06:49
intelikeyif it was installed by default it's on topic  maybe i should say06:49
bazhangintelikey: good to know; thanks very much.06:49
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hydrogenand if its not default.. its on topic as long as you arn't that blatent about it!06:50
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dorkfaceis there a default mouse gestures program in kubuntu?06:50
hydrogenwhich is why we regularly end up discussing "the good old days" of 5.25 inch floppy discs and 3.5 inch floppy ... ANYWAYS06:50
dorkfacehehe06:50
intelikeyDaisuke_Ido heh  indeed.    not official but a support channel none the less.     there is on   most if not   all  irc networks.06:50
hydrogendorkface: kde has mouse gesture support globally06:50
Daisuke_Ido5.25?06:50
Daisuke_Idoyoungster06:50
dorkfaceah06:51
hydrogenoh06:51
hydrogenand an 8" or two06:51
Daisuke_Ido8" floppies ftw :D06:51
hydrogenthose don't come up as often however06:51
Daisuke_Idoi miss bernoulli disks06:51
dorkfacewas just going to say that :)06:51
hydrogenNothing beats when we used to store our data on record's :/06:51
dorkfaceLPs?06:52
Kr4t05Pardon my dirty mind, but I find it somewhat awkward talking about 8" floppies.06:52
Daisuke_Idoi don't recall data ever being stored on vinyl platters06:52
Daisuke_Idocassettes, however06:52
intelikeyhydrogen i thought that was just me...    i mention anything that comes to mind.   i figure as long as i help enough to keep Jucato from feeling like i'm just chatting.  then talking about a floppy drive is my business   lol06:52
Kr4t05Data storage by generation.06:52
hydrogenKr4t05: mm.. it takes experience with one to be able to talk about it!06:52
Daisuke_Idothere was a reliable medium06:52
Kr4t05Generation 1: Punch cards06:52
Kr4t05Generation 2: Magnetic storage (Hard disk and magnetic reel)06:53
Kr4t05Generation 2b: Cassettes06:53
Kr4t05Generation 3: Compact Disc and derivatives06:53
Kr4t05Am I on the right track?06:53
ardchoille!ot06:53
dorkfaceGeneration 4: flash ??06:53
Kr4t05dorkface: That too.06:54
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!06:54
Kr4t05ardchoille: Yeah, I know.06:54
Daisuke_Idoso let's get that on topic06:54
hydrogennote the "and not that blatent about it" part of being on topic06:54
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intelikeyhydrogen yeah.06:54
intelikey:)06:54
hydrogenlisting a timeline of computer history is probably up there on the blatentometer06:54
Daisuke_Idoi read somewhere about a live punchcard release of ubuntu06:54
Kr4t05Sure...06:55
intelikeylol  Daisuke_Ido06:55
hydrogenThat'd come in handy for ubuntu on the mainframe!06:55
Kr4t05That would be...06:55
Daisuke_Idotedious?06:55
Kr4t05Interesting...06:55
Kr4t05That's the second work I was looking for.06:55
hydrogenreminds me a bit of http://xkcd.com/257/06:55
Daisuke_Idospeaking of blatantly offtopic06:55
intelikeydorkface did hydrogen's answer do all you needed ?06:56
dorkfaceyep :)06:56
bazhangthat06:56
intelikeywe do actually try to make sure no one gets missed or ignored in here.06:56
bazhangoops, sorry new keyboard is a funny link in the context of kubuntu of course06:56
intelikeyexcept me.   i get ignored some.06:56
hydrogenunless the ignorning is deliberate :)06:56
dorkfacehehe06:56
hydrogenkde's mouse gesture support is one of its coolest features if you ask me06:57
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hydrogenanyways06:57
hydrogenenough being unhelpful06:57
hydrogenI should sleep06:57
hydrogenI think I have an exam in the morning06:57
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bazhangso in eight days Gutsy will be on topic here, correct?06:57
DaSkreechMoving on to helium06:57
Daisuke_Idointelikey: stuart little giving someone the finger06:57
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DaSkreechintelikey: You have no idea what a mouse is06:58
intelikeyis that when a small rodent motions with it's front feet "come here" ???06:58
DaSkreechbazhang: one of those strange things06:58
Les_Caesars!backports06:58
ubotuIf new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging06:58
bazhanghaha06:58
Dr_willis'move the computer mole to select the proper icon' - just dosent sound the same.. :)06:58
intelikeyDaSkreech i use a mouse a lot  i'll have you know.   wy i cp/pasted a url just ummm 35 minutes ago...06:58
Daisuke_Idono, but weasel would have been okay06:59
Dr_willis"Beatle"06:59
Dr_willisTurtle.06:59
Daisuke_Idoooh, now there's a term that's actually edscriptive06:59
Daisuke_Idodescriptive, too06:59
Dr_willisHmm.. A Mouse that looks like a big Beatle would be nifty.06:59
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JucatoO.o07:00
intelikeymandables ?07:00
hydrogentwo or more (unless you use a mac in which case it only has one pseudo-)buttoned pointing device07:00
Daisuke_Idoi'm going to assume you mean beetle07:00
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hydrogenmaybe i'm just overly pedantic07:00
hydrogenwho knows!07:00
Dr_willisTweetle beetle battle in a bootle..07:00
Jucatonot something I wanted to read after getting back from eating... nose...07:00
intelikey"overly pedantic"  heh07:00
Daisuke_Idoi said double-clicks, not double-picks07:00
Daisuke_Idosheesh07:00
hydrogenJucato: and I never want to read "eating" followed by an elipsis, followed by "nose" again!07:00
intelikeyJucato why were you eating nose ?07:01
Jucatohahah07:01
Jucato!offtopic | intelikey07:01
ubotuintelikey: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!07:01
intelikeylol07:01
Jucato:P07:01
Jucatothat was specifically for you, for thinking I would say that to you07:02
intelikeyat least i had a good chuckel today....07:02
JucatoI had more than 1 :)07:02
Jucatoaw.. just missed genii07:02
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intelikeyyou had lunch "don't know why you ate nose though" but genii came and you missed the coffee   :)07:04
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Jucatothe tea actually07:04
titanix88hi intelikey07:04
intelikeyoh is it tea for you now Jucato ?07:04
intelikeytitanix8807:04
Jucatoalways has been. coffee for genii, tea for me07:05
intelikeyk,07:05
titanix88intelikey: can u use setserial?07:05
intelikeytitanix88 i don't think i have ever tried.07:05
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Dr_willisI dont even have setserial installed.07:06
Dr_williswhat we doing on the serial port?07:06
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DShepherdDaSkreech, ping07:06
Dr_willismodem? null modem cable? Dumb terminal?07:07
intelikeytitanix88 yeah it seems to work ok.07:07
intelikeytitanix88 what kind of issue you having ?07:07
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titanix88intelikey: i just bought a *uc*ing non brand gprs/edge modem and it mess up with irq so much that my external graph card stopped functioning. wvdialconf does not detect it and asks to use setserial. But it works fine with given soft on windows.>:o07:08
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intelikeytitanix88 ok.  i think you would be better off setting the serial ports in bios if your bios supports that.   windows is norotious for changing port info  but linux doesn't do so much of that.  so if you can get the bios streight then linux should have no problem with it.07:10
LogicalDashI started with regular Ubuntu, then installed kubuntu-desktop. Now I'm happy with just kubuntu and I'd like to uninstall the default ubuntu apps to free some space. Is there any easy way to do this? Uninstalling the ubuntu-desktop package doesn't result in anything else getting removed.07:10
intelikeycan anyone tell me what i meant by "norotious"  ???07:11
Dr_willishow can a usb modem be messing with irq's ?07:11
Jucatointelikey: norotious - adj., "being intelikey"07:11
titanix88Dr_willis: how should i know? i just get serial irq related msg on boot log:-/07:12
JucatoLogicalDash: hold on let me get a link...07:12
intelikeyDr_willis the irqs can be messed in bios.   the device pluged in wouldn't change that...07:12
titanix88it is a chinese non brand edge modem.07:12
intelikey:)07:12
Dr_willisjust seems odd that a usb gizmo would have to mess with them. But then again - his error message may be from somthing just related to the usb-serial stuff.07:12
Dr_willisIve never had a USb Serial gizmo.07:13
Dr_willisI do have a USB-Parallel port cable for my old printer.07:13
JucatoLogicalDash: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde07:13
LogicalDashJucato, thanks!07:13
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KevlarSoulWhat is the command to start terminal? after grub? I started the recovery version of the kernel, but I coudlnt get internet access that way when I tried to sudo apt-get update?07:13
intelikeytitanix88 some bios'  or is it "bioii"  :/   you can just turn off all serial ports  that should solve it.07:14
LogicalDashwhoooooa lotta text07:14
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titanix88linux kernel says: loading saved serial states,uart bla irq bla:-/07:14
KevlarSoul?07:14
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crackhead_25question: how does one go about upgrading to a feisty from edgy without using the "upgrade" feature (which last time broke everything)?? is there an easy way to do it?07:15
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titanix88btw lsusb says "prolific Inc."07:15
Dr_willisthat is the easy way.. :)07:16
Dr_willisUnless you just backup /home and reinstall cleanly07:16
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intelikeythis is rediculess,   i can't help in here if i can't stay connected.07:20
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intelikeyfellows. i'm going.    if i ever get this hardware problem resloved i'll come back.             shalom  b'shem Yehashua07:21
Jucatobye intelikey07:21
Jucatogood luck07:21
intelikeygood by my friend.07:21
bazhangbye intelikey07:21
KevlarSoulRecovery kernel has no internet ?07:22
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crackhead_25question: anyone have some thoughts on my question? how does one go about upgrading from edgy to feisty without using the upgrade feature? can it be done easily?07:24
crackhead_25the last time i used the upgrade feature it broke everything, i think..07:24
Jucatocrackhead_25: make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed, disable 3rd party repositories, not sure if ubuntu-standard or ubuntu-minimal should be installed too. then use dist-upgrade07:25
JucatoI'm not 100% about that though... only about 90% sure07:26
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KevlarSoulHow do I turn on internet access via terminal?07:27
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crackhead_25jucato: what will that do exactly? why disable the third party repos?07:28
crackhead_25Jucato: what's different about running dist-upgrade that way versus just through adept without having made those preparations?07:29
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Jucatodoing it through the upgrade tool in adept (--version-upgrade) does the same things I mentioned07:30
Jucatoit makes sure that the necessary metapackages are installed, and disables 3rd-party repositories07:30
pillowpantsdoes anyone here know a good file encryption program07:30
Jucato3rd party repos can produce conflicts while upgrading07:30
pillowpantswith an included file shredder07:30
Jucato!encryption07:31
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about encryption - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi07:31
Jucatobah... silly bot :P07:31
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Jucato!gpg07:31
ubotugpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts07:31
bazhangI believe the kde version is kgpg--correct?07:32
Jucatogpg isn't specific to the desktop. it's a command line tool. kpgp can use it as a backend07:33
ubuntu__I have a problem, I installed kubuntu, but it didn't work properly, so I tried to go back to windows, and on windows, I deleted the /home partition, but now, for some reason, grub gives an error 17 (i'm on the kubuntu live cd right now, and already tried grub-install, but it says on every single partition that it can't find /boot)07:33
Jucatokgpg i mean :)07:33
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Dr_willisHmm you had a  / partition and a /home partition you made at install?07:35
ChaosRyes07:35
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ChaosRnow I still can't understand that deleting /home would cause a grub-error07:36
ChaosRwiat, I'll ask on #ubuntu07:37
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pillowpantsJucato : ill give it a try07:39
Dr_williswhat do you mean by 'delete' - you removed it then resized the other partitions?07:40
pillowpantswhat exactly happens when you click "empty recycle bin"07:40
pillowpantshow secure of a deletion is that07:40
Jucatoit means you are on Windows.07:40
Jucatohehe :)07:41
pillowpantsheh, im on ubuntu07:41
pillowpantsthe kde trash can07:41
Jucatoit's called Trash Can here :)07:41
pillowpantsin kicker07:41
pillowpantsah, yes trash can07:41
bazhangtrash Kan07:41
Jucatoanyway, it completely deletes it. irrecoverable07:41
Jucatoexcept for heavy duty forensic tools I guess07:41
pillowpantseven on a journaling file system?07:41
pillowpantslike reiserfs07:42
Dr_willisreiser makes it harder to recover dont it?07:42
Jucatoactually there's no way to recover if you delete using ext3, but there is in ext207:42
Jucatoso probably ye07:42
Jucatos07:42
Jucato(dropped the s by accident)07:42
pillowpantsits my understanding that journaling systems make records of stuff that does exactly get deleted07:42
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Dr_willisfilesystems are a .. interesting and often tedious topic. :)07:43
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pillowpantsbut since this is linux, and linux is super natural and has amazing powers, i assume whatever the case, its infinately safer than windows07:43
preetham:)07:43
pillowpantsi guess we can leave it at that07:44
pillowpantsand ill be able to sleep at night07:44
Dr_willisthere are 'secure' deletion tools for the truely paranoid.07:44
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pillowpantsDr_willis : such as?07:44
Dr_willisand No. i dont use them :) time to hit google.07:44
pillowpantsah07:44
Dr_willisi got other things to do.. like play with these Opera desktop widgets.07:45
Dr_willisa Spirograph! cool. :P07:45
pillowpantsDr_willis : ha, opera?07:45
pillowpantslearn the greatness of swiftweasel!07:45
bazhangif you toss a truecrypt partition then that is fairly unrecoverable.07:45
preetham:)07:45
pillowpantsbazhang : i was considering that, truecrypt is a good program07:46
Dr_willisand does swiftweazle have desktop widgets? ... :)07:46
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bazhangpillowpants: excellent on windows, and I believe Gutsy will have anice front end for it.07:46
Dr_willisnot noticed truecrypt on gutsy yet.. not looked either. :)07:47
pillowpantsis it safe to upgrade to gutsy?07:47
Jucatostill in beta07:47
pillowpantsi havent heard much hoo hah yet07:47
Jucatobest wait for October 18 + a few days for the dust to settle07:47
Dr_willislets see.. 150mb of updates just today on gutsy...07:47
Dr_willisi would wait. :)07:47
bazhangnot in the repos..hhmmm07:47
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pillowpantsim impatient to do it, but at the same time i have my feisty system set up just the way i want it contently07:48
pillowpantsbazhang : yeah, i didnt see truecrypt in the repos either07:48
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bazhangcurrent front end is kinda tough to set up07:49
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Ben_Cshello07:49
pillowpantsi was unaware you could encrypt an entire partition so conveniently07:49
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pillowpantsim compiling it from source as of now07:50
pillowpantsi must have it07:50
bazhanghi Ben07:50
Ben_Csjust installed kubuntu. for some reason adept manager says firefox is installed but i don't see it anyware.07:51
pillowpantsBen_Cs: type firefox into a terminal and see if it loads07:51
pillowpantsif not, you may not have it installed07:51
bazhangBen_Cs: it sometimes a bit for the icon to get added to the menu07:52
bazhangtakes a bit07:52
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Ben_Cspillowpants: the terminal shows that firefox isn't installed. so why the manager show it is installed?07:52
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wastedfluidhello.. qucik question.  I see lots of people who have the Kmenu, system menu, desktop, and other icons at the bottom.. large size, and the rest of their taskbar at the top.  how does one go about achieving this?  I tried, but failed miserably.. as I can't get the two to seperate (the "task bar" and the kmenu, sysmenu, and desktop)07:53
Dr_williscant add a new panel?07:54
wastedfluidIf I add a new panel, it stays with the other panel.. I can't get my panels to separate.07:54
Jucatowastedfluid: add a new blank Panel, then add the taskbar applet to the new panel07:54
wastedfluidok, hold on..07:54
bazhangget gnome?07:54
Dr_willisright cliock on the panel. properties.. theres a thing to set it where to go.07:54
wastedfluidbazhang: No thanks, but thanks for the insult.07:54
bazhangprobably the wrong channel for that no insult intended wastedfluid07:55
Jucatos/properties/Configure Panel/07:55
Ben_Csmaybe i should just install "synaptic" and work with it instead?07:55
Jucatobazhang: why is it the wrong channel?07:55
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bazhangI mean my ubuntu-related comment. apologies, Jucato07:56
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wastedfluidJucato: I added the blank panel.. I see now.  Thanks.07:58
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Jucatowastedfluid: tip: sometimes when you add/remove a new panel, you have to restart kicker (the KDE Panel) to be able to configure them. the command is "dcop kicker kicker restart"07:59
wastedfluidok.. thanks07:59
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wastedfluidJucato: another stupid question.  I accidentally added the Desktop Manager.. and it doesn't have a remove opion on right click.. and i see "add applet" - but not an applet remover.. any idea?08:00
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wastedfluidNevermind, there was two menus.  Whoops.08:00
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vib-kungHi. Has anyone found xine (and therefore amarok and in my case kaffeine) unable to play certain non-free formats, like mp3 and wmv? Mine used to about a week ago, and then suddenly was unable to, after an update.08:01
vib-kungI *think* it was about a week ago anyway, I'm rubbish keeping track of time.08:02
Jucatovib-kung: for mp3's please check that libxine1-ffmpeg is installed08:03
vib-kungIt is.08:03
Jucatofor wmv/wma, w32codecs08:03
Dr_willissome videos can have really weird codecs  that wont play proplery08:03
vib-kungAs I say, it *was* playing things fine.08:03
emilsedghvib-kung: install libxine-extracodecs08:03
Jucatohm...08:03
Dr_willisso it can not play videos that it Used to play fine?08:03
vib-kungSo is libxine-extracodecs08:04
vib-kungYep.08:04
Jucatoweird..08:04
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wastedfluidJucato: Okay,  One last silly question.  Now that I have two panels - I have buttons that hide the panel at the bottom - and a button that hides nothing at the top.  How do i rid myself of those?08:04
vib-kungA reasonable collection of mp3s too, that I used to listen to- now, it'll play ogg files no problem, but not mp3s. Claims it needs mp3 support installed, but as I say, I've not removed anything.08:04
vib-kungI have amarok 1.4.7 from the official backport repository, btw.08:05
Jucatowastedfluid:  what do you mean? what button?08:05
wastedfluidNevermind.  It was a button to hide an empty panel.  I' msorry for all the silly questions.08:05
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Jucato:P08:05
wastedfluidThanks for that command, btw08:06
wastedfluidIt's came in handy already08:06
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Jucatono problem08:06
wastedfluidI switched from Gnome about two months ago, and I just absolutely love KDE.08:06
wastedfluidStill new to KDE (obviously)08:06
Ben_Cscan i use apt-get at the same time as the updater runs?08:06
vib-kunglibxine-main1 version is 1.1.4-2ubuntu3, and libxine-extracodecs version is 1.1.4-2ubuntu308:06
Jucatonope08:06
Jucatoone apt/dpkg process at a time only08:07
Ben_Csi see08:07
vib-kungOh, and stupid to forget to say it explicitly, but I'm with Feisty08:07
Ben_CsJucato: will synaptic work alright on kde?08:07
holycowit most certainly will08:07
Ben_Csok. cause i don't quite get the adept manager08:08
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JucatoBen_Cs: yep. it'll just install a few GNOME/GTK libraries08:08
Jucatoit'll work fine08:08
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wastedfluidJucato: Ok, One last question!  The panel I added with all my applications.. has a button to hide it, and bring it back - any way to ride of that thing?08:09
wastedfluidI will admit, the Adept manager makes me miss synaptic.08:09
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Jucatowastedfluid: in the Configure Panel window, Hiding options.08:10
JucatoPanel Hiding Buttons08:10
Jucatoif that's what you meant08:10
wastedfluidYes, it is.  thanks so much dude.08:10
holycowJucato: your kicking some butt tonight08:11
holycownice work dude :)08:11
Jucatoheh thanks08:11
Jucatomore work I do here = less work I do in real life :)08:11
Jucato(not that I have a job...)08:11
dorkfaceIS there any way to increase the history buffer in the "recent documents" applet?08:11
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Jucatodorkface: how many are there right now?08:12
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dorkfaceI think 5, 6, 0r08:12
dorkfaceseven08:12
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Jucatobah come to think of it, I don't know how :(08:13
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holycowdorkface: great nick!08:13
dorkfacehehe08:13
dorkfacety08:13
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vib-kungdorkface: I tried grepping through my .kde/share directory for anything that might set the value to a higher number, but couldn't find it.08:14
dorkfaceah, thanks, though :)08:15
vib-kungdorkface: So what I ended up doing (which worked for my purposes) was adding the documents menu applet to my kicker panel, and then either putting the files I use the most in there, or creating symlinks to them (or other directories) in there08:15
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dorkfacecool, I may have to try that08:17
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WaltzingAlongwhere to set the default session? this machine has xfce, kde, gnome, and fluxbox but i would like kdm to default to kde (as in for users who log in for the first time)08:27
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bazhangJucato: apologies again. really sorry about the earlier comment.08:30
Jucatodon't apologize to me though08:30
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bazhangright. thanks.08:33
pillowpantshas anyone here played sauerbraten?08:33
bazhangpillowpants: it's nice, though I'm partial to warzone210008:35
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shreekanthi08:35
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WaltzingAlongpillowpants i have08:37
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aljoschaHello, I've installed the package "libupnp0", but when I want to install the program ushare, I get following message: No package 'libupnp' found - whats the problem?08:38
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Lynourealjoscha: libupnp0 might not show as libupnp, as there is extra 0. You might have to do some symbolic linking. I don't know enough about either to be sure08:40
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aljoschaLynoure: I thought "sudo ldconfig" does something like that :(08:41
Lynourealjoscha: I meant symbolic linking, in the file system. not linking in the program08:42
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Lynourealjoscha: where is your libupnp0?  /lib/libupnp0  does not look same as /lib/libupnp  so you might want to make latter a symbolic link to former if you only have the former08:43
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aljoschaLynoure: /usr/lib/libupnp.so and /usr/lib/libupnp.so.008:46
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Lynourealjoscha: then it might be that ushare cannot find it for some other reason. I don't know enough about it to help further08:48
aljoschaokay08:48
Lynourealjoscha: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/HOWTO_Install_uShare_0_9_6_in_Ubuntu_6_06_LTS_for_Newbies_Like_Myself is for an older ubuntu than you probably have, but could help, maybe08:49
Lynourealjoscha: it seems to take /usr into account08:49
Lynourealjoscha: good luck :)08:50
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scrotleshi08:56
scrotleswhat would be funnier.  While plugged into an extention cord, dropping my CRT monitor off the garage, or hitting the screen with a hammer?08:56
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aljoschaLynoure: libupnp0 isn't libupnp... it's just a package which libupnp needs09:01
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contrast83Greets, everyone...09:01
contrast83Has anyone here used xcompmgr?09:01
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Brownoutdamn! Finally I figured out how to use console font in konsole09:03
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Brownoutfontconfig don't allow bitmapped fonts by default, I didn't know that09:04
Brownout#ubuntu-unregged09:06
Brownout...09:06
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studentzdar:)09:08
studenthalloooooo09:08
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student__how are you??09:09
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scrotleswhat would be funnier.  While plugged into an extention cord, dropping my CRT monitor off the garage, or hitting the screen with a hammer?09:18
Brownoutthe former one is safer09:19
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sjckwhats funnier scrotles writing same sentence two times, or noone laughing?09:22
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thumperRiddell: is there somewhere in the system settings where I can turn compiz on and off like there is with the gnome desktop?09:25
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Jucatothumper: afaik there is none yet. have to do it manually like "compiz --replace"09:27
thumperJucato: that's what I've been doing09:28
thumperJucato: I was just wondering09:28
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Ben_Csdoes kubuntu have ntfs write support?09:33
Jucatothrough ntfs-3g, yes (not installed by default until Gutsy)09:36
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Ben_Csgutsy has it installed? i use gutsy and i installed "ntfs configuration tool"09:39
hangthedjdid anybody read about koffice porting to windows?http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1596080362;fp;2;fpid;109:40
Jucatothe article is new, the fact is old :)09:41
hangthedjits pretty neat, i mean i don't use windows, i've got 4 computers running linux, and at work a g4 mac machine.09:41
hangthedjis the porting of kde to windows old too?09:42
Jucatoold and a bit innaccurate :)09:42
bazhangI beleive you can use a fair number of Linux apps on OS X as well, though natively.09:42
hangthedjyou can but its a real pain.09:43
Jucatobazhang: not 100% natively though. fink or x11.apps I think09:43
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hangthedjmacports09:43
Jucatoa few parts of KDE can be/is ported to Windows or Mac.. but not all of KDE or KDE itself09:43
hangthedjahh09:43
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bazhangJucato: good point; also you need to register at Apple and get the Xcode developers package, around 110MB if memory serves; if you have a mac.com email no need though.09:47
hangthedjmy mom got an imac and i tried to install amarok on it, and she got mad.09:47
hangthedji think they charge for it too09:48
hangthedjapple charges for everything09:48
hangthedji was doing a project at work with webobjects, and i looked at the cost, and it was like 6 or 7 hundred dollars..09:49
hangthedjits not even that good of a framework09:49
ardchoilleA store near me sells OSX and I wonder if I can just install it and have a dual-boot system with Kubuntu09:49
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hangthedji mean java is nice. but not webobjects.09:50
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bazhangardchoille: they sell OS X unencumbered by a Mac--that will only run on Macs I beleive.09:52
ardchoillebazhang: Oh, I thought OSX ran on intel hw now.09:52
ardchoilleShows how little I know about it09:52
Jucatohm. it suddenly turned into a Mac topic... :/09:53
bazhangardchoille: it does, but they have some special bios that will only let it boot on their intel.09:53
hangthedjardchoille, but only on macs, running vm software only works on the intel macs.09:53
bazhangnot bios, but something similar09:53
Jucato1 minute to wrap this up, then continue in #kubuntu-offtopic please?09:53
ardchoilleok09:53
hangthedjanybody, feel free to !offtopic me.09:53
hangthedji did it on accident, i promiss.09:53
hangthedji hate mac09:53
Jucatoit's not that we hate/love mac09:54
Jucatoit's just... well.. channel rules :)09:54
bazhangmy fault; apologies all-around.09:54
ardchoillesame09:54
Jucato:P09:54
hangthedji meant to talk about kde :D09:54
hangthedjand then i drifted09:54
Jucatokinda noticed :)09:55
Jucatofeel free to liven up the offtopic channel09:55
ardchoilleI ran ubuntu for a long time (warty to Dapper). Don't get me wrong, gnome is nice.. it's just that kde seems to integrate apps better.. better communication between apps.09:55
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hangthedjnobody talks to me in there, then i start thinking to hard and my self esteem suffers, so i stay away. ;)09:56
Jucatohangthedj: just lurk around there.. and wait for the tab to go green... or you can drag these people in there09:56
bazhangmuch better integration--weblink calls up Konq, or Gwenview, or whatever, depending on the file.09:57
Jucatomade some friends in there too...but for the sake of sanity, I keep my channels to a minimum..09:57
iuhello everyone09:57
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hangthedji ran gnome for a couple months, but kde is so much prettier, and there are so many options, you could be busy forever modding it.09:57
Jucato!hi | iu09:57
ubotuiu: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!09:57
hangthedjardchoille, no, no no, #kubuntu-offtopic!09:57
bazhangthat always gives me a laugh.09:57
hangthedj#ubuntu-offtopic is busy enough.09:57
ardchoillehangthedj: fixed :)09:57
iuRestricted Drivers auto-install bugged or what?09:58
bazhang;}09:58
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Jucatoiu: gutsy?09:58
iuyep 7.1009:58
Jucato#ubuntu+1 please :)09:58
iuif thats the version you asking :)09:58
iuoh another channel?09:59
bazhangjust type /join and then the channel name09:59
Jucatoyep. this way to the correct room ---> #ubuntu+109:59
iuahh ok :)09:59
iutyvm!09:59
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Jucatoor click on the name :)09:59
Jucatoif you're using Konversation (which you should be by default)09:59
bazhangnice!09:59
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ardchoilleWhoa! I just tried katapult10:03
ardchoilleThis thing is nice10:03
Jucatovery10:03
hangthedjJucato, how come your not in offtopic?10:04
hangthedjhas anyone installed the new build of smplayer?  it is soooo nice.10:04
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contrast83hangthedj: Yep, I'm using it.10:05
contrast83Just compiled from SVN earlier tonight, actually.10:05
Jucatohangthedj: [15:57]  <Jucato> made some friends in there too...but for the sake of sanity, I keep my channels to a minimum..10:05
hangthedjbut your only in one room.10:06
hangthedjtwo isn't bad.10:06
ardchoilleJucato: You mean like forgetting which channel you're in when you have split windows in irssi? lol10:06
contrast83The only thing I'm missing from Kaffeine is being able to have the playlist embedded in the main window *on the side*. Seems like such poor design to have it on the top/bottom.10:06
hangthedjits one more than one.10:06
Jucatohangthedj: that's only what you see10:06
hangthedjthats it.10:06
ibilichow do I install the JRE in Kubuntu10:06
ardchoillehangthedj: You aren't going to see every channel he's in unless you're in the same channels10:06
ibilicI am waiting for the bot reply10:07
ardchoille!jre10:07
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about jre - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi10:07
ardchoille!java10:07
ubotuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.10:07
ibilicthanks10:07
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Jucatoit will be much easier in gutsy...10:08
hangthedjcontrast83, i just installed today, and changed all the default videos to open in smplayer.10:08
hangthedjthats not like me.10:08
Jucatowe just tell them "install kubuntu-restricted-extras"10:08
hangthedji'm usually a kmplayer kinda guy.10:08
Jucatokmplayer ftw!10:08
hangthedji used kplayer for along time, but i moved up to m10:09
contrast83KMplayer gave me hell. Videos would randomly skip/stop. Kaffeine/Xine gave me thoroughly scrambled output on half my videos.10:09
JucatoI like kmplayer more because you can choose w/c engine to use10:09
hangthedji hate kaffeine10:09
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hangthedjusually it plays me a video saying it can't do the same things mplayer can.10:10
emilsedghJucato: kaffeine could change engine to, it has xine, gstreamer and mplayer backends...10:10
Jucatoemilsedgh: right except on the mplayer backend10:11
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emilsedghJucato: when you install kmplayer, you will have mplayer backend, irrc, let me see10:11
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emilsedghoh, i havent kaffeine :P10:11
Jucatoemilsedgh: that's the point10:11
Jucatoto use mplaye rin kaffeine, you have to use the embedded kmplayer10:11
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Jucatoso it's like Kaffeine uses KMPlayer to use MPlayer10:11
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Jucatobah didn't see what I wrote :P10:12
emilsedghJucato: sorry10:12
Jucato<Jucato> to use mplaye rin kaffeine, you have to use the embedded kmplayer10:12
Jucato<Jucato> so it's like Kaffeine uses KMPlayer to use MPlayer10:12
hangthedjplus in konqueror, no matter what i change if i set it to kaffeine part, it never plays in the page, always launched. kmplayer part is my friend.10:12
Jucatonaturally. kmplayer is originally an embedded player for Konqueror10:13
emilsedghJucato: well, i think we should skip this and wait for KDE 4 to have phonon there and use every application with ever backend that we want :P10:13
Jucatothat it's a standalone app to is just an added feature (when you want to view the online video in a standalone app)10:13
Jucatoemilsedgh: then there will be other reasons not to like kaffeine :P10:14
hangthedji always get mad whenever i install a new kde system, and kaffeine installs and not kmplayer... it should be the other way around.10:14
emilsedghJucato: usability :(10:14
Jucatobingo!10:14
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Jucatohangthedj: for a time, kaffeine was actively more developed. that's the reason why10:14
emilsedghJucato: older kaffeine versions were nice10:14
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contrast83Last time I tried Kaffeine on Gutsy, it didn't even allow using KMplayer. Has that since changed?10:14
Jucatoa bit, yes10:14
Jucatostill the same contrast83... at least on my end10:15
Jucatoanyway.. I'm gone.. so behave! :P10:16
hangthedjkaffeine, won't play for me anymore, its got xine troubles. but thats ok, cause i've got smplayer, kmplayer and kplayer10:16
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emilsedghJucato: i think KDE Multimedia needs: 1)A simple Video/Audio Player with a stable KPart 2)some more intergration from Amarok, like Kparts, that allows play-music-from-konqueror10:17
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emilsedghKParts, I Love Them!10:17
Jucato1) codeine, juk, 2) up to the amarok guys10:18
Jucatoand I think I've read your thoughts on that matter in the Dot10:18
hangthedjkmediaplayer10:18
emilsedghyes, im looking at kmediaplayer10:19
emilsedghJucato: I cannot remember my toughts on theDot :D10:19
Jucatomaybe some other person then10:19
Jucato(technicall you can control Amarok from Konq...10:19
emilsedghalso, Kaboodle becomes Kpart last week!10:19
Jucatokaboodle's still alive? O.o10:20
hangthedjahh, you need the kde4 libs for kmediaplayer10:20
emilsedghJucato: i know, i use that sidebar, but its not a really good way of intergrating AmaroK and Konqueror10:20
Jucatoemilsedgh: well it's up to the amarok guys to make a kpart for amarok...10:20
emilsedghJucato: im sure you always read commit-digest!10:20
JucatoI skip parts of it10:21
Jucatosometimes info overload...10:21
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hangthedjwhat package has kde4-config in it?10:21
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emilsedghoh Jucato! my fault! Noatun becomes kpart not kaboodle!10:22
Jucatokdelibs5 (for KDE4) I think10:22
Jucatoemilsedgh: can't even see kaboodle in svn now..10:22
Jucatoneither is noatun... hm...10:22
Jucatonoatun-plugins maybe10:22
emilsedghJucato: better, tons of applications for only one thing!10:22
Jucatobeauty in the midst of diversity10:23
Jucatoanyway, really gone10:23
emilsedghJucato: "The Noatun music player becomes a KPart", 30 september10:23
hangthedjJucato, hmm, thats what ubotu says too, but i have that installed.10:23
hangthedji'll jump to ubuntu+110:24
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emilsedghlook how people are looking forward to koffice, i hope that soon KOffice will replace Oo.o, at least in Kubuntu10:28
Riddellthumper: no, the kcontrol compiz panel seems to have disappeared in the beryl merge10:28
thumperRiddell: thanks for getting back10:29
thumperRiddell: I thought so, but was wondering if I had missed anything10:29
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Riddellthumper: I might do something for hardy, but it kindae depends on me having a computer that can run compiz10:33
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ibilicwhat are the following files:10:35
ibilicX11/Xlib.h10:35
ibilicX11/Xlib.h10:35
ibilicX11/Xlib.h10:35
ibilicX11/Xutil.h10:35
Jucato!flood | ibilic10:35
ubotuibilic: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)10:35
ibilicX11/Xos.h10:35
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ibilicI am trying to use this EasyGL package10:36
hangthedjthe first 3 are the same file10:36
ibilicand it has these include files10:36
Jucatothose are X11  header files10:36
ibilicand gcc can't seem to link to them10:36
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Jucatoyou need to have xorg-dev installed10:36
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hangthedji'm done with kmediaplayer.10:37
hangthedji don't have the energy right now.10:37
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cedric_bonjour10:38
ibilicnot it says this:10:39
hangthedjfrenchfries10:39
ibilic /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11l10:39
cedric_j aurais besoin d aide pour configurer kubuntu et me liberer de win10:39
hangthedj!fr | cedric_10:39
ubotucedric_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.10:39
cedric_thanks10:39
hangthedjibilic, libx11-dev10:40
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ibilichangthedj: it's already installed :(10:41
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hangthedjibilic, what are you trying to install?10:42
ibilicI am just trying to get this example EasyGL program to run10:42
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ibilicI am supposed to compile it with gcc, and it says:10:43
ibilic /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11l10:43
hangthedjtry 'sudo apt-get install x11proto-gl-dev'10:44
zero1hello everyon!  :D  how can i take out devices from the xorg.conf file without breaking it? adding a # won't do coz the next time i start, nothing shows up10:44
zero1for example i wanna take out wacom coz i don't have it10:45
zero110:45
zero1(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Synaptics Touchpad" (type: MOUSE)10:45
zero1(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "eraser" (type: Wacom Eraser)10:45
zero1(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "cursor" (type: Wacom Cursor)10:45
zero1(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "stylus" (type: Wacom Stylus)10:45
zero1(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Configured Mouse" (type: MOUSE)10:45
zero1(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Generic Keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD)10:45
hangthedjzero1, if you put a # in front of something and then it doesn't work, that means you need that line.10:45
hangthedjcause # is the comment line for xorg.conf10:45
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zero1hangthedj: wacom is not on my system so it should work right?10:45
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ibilichangthedj: x11proto-gl-dev is already the newest version.10:46
zero1i read ubuntu placed this even if you don't have it just so it will work all the time, in case you do have it10:46
hangthedjzero1, if wacom is not on your system, it won't work cause its not there.10:46
zero1i don't have a stylus or eraser....10:46
zero1hangthedj: yes, but i want it out of my xorg.conf file... how do i edit it please10:47
zero1on RPM-based linux, like suse, you can do a simple # and your X will still start... i'm confused with this debian thingy10:47
hangthedjibilic, do you have xserver-xorg-dev installed?10:47
hangthedjzero1, just put a # in front of it, that is the comment out for xorg.conf10:48
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hangthedji'm not sure but maybe make sure the # is all the way back.10:48
zero1hangthedj: yeah i have done that already and X will fail to start the next time10:48
zero1tried this many times already without success10:49
hangthedjif you open xorg.conf and look at the comments, that is what they use.10:49
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hangthedjwhy do you want it gone?10:49
zero1hangthedj: hmmmm.. .  this is funny.  it never worked for me.  i have sled 10 on my desktop and i can edit my xorg.conf without fear of it failing to start10:49
zero1on my laptop, i fear editing xorg.conf coz doing the slightest to it makes X fail to start...  :D LOlz10:50
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hangthedjon kubuntu, i can do whatever i want to X and it typically always start, although i don't edit it much.10:51
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zero1well anyway, my true objective is to have X start faster.  maybe taking out those useless wacom devices in the config file might do something about it... .10:51
hangthedjgotcha10:51
zero1hangthedj: well this is my first step...   and it failed10:52
Thomasuhello some guy who can help me to change language in LinuxMCE10:52
hangthedjhonestly how fast computers are these days, i don't think a couple lines in xorg.conf are really going to make a difference.10:52
zero1hangthedj: suggestions?10:52
zero1hangthedj: it won't hurt anyone to try right? :D10:53
hangthedjits like in c, 20 years ago you used #define to set constants, but computers are so fast now, nobody really does that they use CONST10:53
hangthedjcause it takes 2 to 4 bytes of memory.10:53
Thomasui get this when i tru ti10:53
ibilichangthedj: yes, and I just compiled the code on my collegue's computer, and it works10:53
Thomasui get this when i tru to install language Command 'qt-language-selector --mode install' not found10:54
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hangthedjThomasu, sorry, i really don't know anything about LinuxMCE10:55
zero1this driver, is certainly slower to start on my laptop --> xserver-xorg-video-intel10:55
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Thomasuwhat about kubuntu10:55
zero1it seems to have trouble finding the correct resolution w/c is 1280x80010:56
hangthedjThomasu, did you try #linuxmce, i know there are only like 6 people there10:56
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hangthedjzero1, what kind of laptop is it?10:56
ibilichangthedj: sorry, I made a stupid typo, it works now10:56
zero1intel  core duo10:56
hangthedjibilic, cool, what package did you need?10:56
hangthedjzero1, no i mean the make, like dell?  toshiba?10:57
hangthedjlenovo10:57
zero1hangthedj: it's a compaq presario10:57
ibilichangthedj: once I installed the xorg-dev package, it worked10:58
ThomasuCommand 'qt-language-selector --mode install' not found what that this meev10:58
Thomasumeen10:58
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hangthedj!da | Thomasu11:03
ubotuThomasu: For at f support til Ubuntu p Dansk bedes du venligst g til #ubuntu-dk. I denne kanal tales kun Engelsk.11:03
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adihey all11:12
adigoodmorning11:12
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WaltzingAlongi installed support for other languages and can get the kde apps to appear in other languages. the language pack for firefox and thunderbird are installed but they remain in english. how can i change them (or all gtk apps) to be the kde default for the current user?11:12
adihow it's possible that after automatix install11:13
adican't start automatix neither adept11:13
adi??11:13
adican anyone help11:13
adii can get sudo apt-get update from shell11:14
WaltzingAlongadi: general suggestion: do not use automatix11:14
adiwhy??11:14
WaltzingAlongadi: how about       sudo aptitude             then find broken packages11:14
Jucato!automatix11:14
ubotuAutomatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)11:14
Jucato!aptfix11:14
ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 11:14
adiso better sudo apt-get autoremove automatix11:15
WaltzingAlongadi: basically it is a hack to get some things working but without proper precautions11:15
adiok tbut this is general rule under kubunr -kde11:15
adicause I used ubuntu -gnome with automatix11:16
adiand never caused probs11:16
WaltzingAlong!envy | adi11:16
ubotuadi: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!11:16
WaltzingAlongluckily for you11:16
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adioh no probs with my ati x130011:17
adiallready installed restricted fglrx from11:17
adiubuntu installation guide wiki11:17
adithe thing is to install in easy way some kind of nautilus script from konwueror11:18
adilet me make changes on some file like toot11:18
adigui way11:18
adiI dont know many shell commands11:18
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WaltzingAlongadi: the restricted-manager can be used to install fglrx as well11:20
adiyes but 8.3411:21
adiinstead of 8.41 the leatest11:21
adiby the way11:21
adiany nwes about ati open source driver???11:22
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oshiii-_^oshi-11:24
WaltzingAlongadi: is the car you drive also a 2008 model?11:25
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adino car at all man11:25
WaltzingAlongadi: of course you are more than welcome to install ati's latest11:25
adiok11:26
WaltzingAlongadi: eventually you may find that you prefer letting the ubuntu gods take care of it, then just managing only through the repositories11:26
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adiany chance that in the fnear future thay will put some drivers on the kernel that recognize my wireless11:28
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adicard draft 802.11n11:28
WaltzingAlongadi: perhaps.11:28
adiwhy can't thay do something laike that11:28
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adiI mean draft n is the  fastes11:29
WaltzingAlongprobably already exists11:29
adino no11:29
adino linux kernel recognizes yet11:30
WaltzingAlongi see. which versions of linux have you tried?11:30
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adithey maybe go untill abg11:30
adibut non n draft11:30
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adiare u on kubu or ubu11:32
adi??11:32
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WaltzingAlongadi: there are wireless 'n' routers using linux, are you proposing that they too do not support 'n'?11:33
WaltzingAlongadi: me?  i installed through kubuntu cd but have since installed xfce (xubuntu) and fluxbox as graphic interfaces and desktops11:33
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adihow is xfce???11:34
adicomared with kde and gnome11:34
WaltzingAlongfeels to me like a lighter/snappier gnome11:35
WaltzingAlongadi: i usually switch among xfce, kde, and fluxbox11:35
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adithe best one to u?11:36
WaltzingAlongadi: best one for what? depends on my mood. i use all three. if i needed to use just one on this machine it may be kde as i have used it the most11:36
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adiI used kde first then chnged to gnome11:38
adito my opinion gnome is the best form my machine11:38
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WaltzingAlongadi: so if you are interested in trying some others, install xfce or fluxbox or so on11:38
adilighter faster no crashes11:38
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adikde is beautifull personillezed and ect11:39
adibut i hate when the stupid icon jumps up and dow and no apps starting11:39
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WaltzingAlongadi: it is possible to disable the notifications or change it to something else11:40
adiwhere??11:40
adiin kde.11:40
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WaltzingAlong:D you just mentioned you liked being able to personalize kde11:41
melomanehi, anybody knows a good download mangere? i tries Kget, its speed was really low. i know aria,D4x,wget. but dont know which one is the best11:41
adiyes i like it11:42
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adipersonalize it like no windows user can do it11:42
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adibesides that it's just a joke11:43
WaltzingAlongadi: it is called launch feedback11:44
adiI would preffer being stable fast and a good level of esthetics11:44
WaltzingAlongadi: you would except you install latest ati drivers11:44
adidont understan11:44
adid11:45
adiwhat?11:45
WaltzingAlongadi: start kcontrol         then find launch feedback to change from the bouncing icon or disable it altogether11:46
WaltzingAlongadi: you argued that you prefer stability yet you install the latest binary drivers from ati11:46
WaltzingAlongadi: which seems to conflict with your assertion about preference for stability11:46
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adiwaltzing along it was a pleasure11:52
adihave to go...11:52
adisee you11:52
WaltzingAlongadi: take care11:54
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kubuntu15hi12:08
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kubuntu15yes12:08
sebbarhi, I found a web site with a divx video I'd like to watch, it requires a plugin which can be downloaded here http://www.divx.com/divx/windows/webplayer/ for windows, is there such thing for linux?12:09
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WaltzingAlongsebbar: yes you can watch mpeg4 videos (xvid/divx) from the web browser12:12
WaltzingAlong!info mozilla-mplayer12:12
ubotumozilla-mplayer: MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.31+main-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 477 kB, installed size 1636 kB12:12
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Jucatoor kmplayer in konqueror (with the proper engine + codec)12:13
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pillowpants!xfire12:14
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about xfire - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi12:14
pillowpants!gfire12:14
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about gfire - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi12:14
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mikehi guys and gals12:40
mikei have a problem12:40
mikehttp://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3087286.msg92487#msg9248712:40
miketrying to change wallpaper but don't know how12:41
mikeanyone here?12:41
jussi01mike: 1 moment please12:42
mikejussi thanks12:42
gnomefreakisnt it in settings?12:43
gnomefreaki dont have kde booted atm but it should be in settings12:43
mikeyes12:43
mikethe topic in the kubuntu forum (see link above) describes what i want to achieve...12:44
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mikesjussie thanks anyway!12:44
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Jucatomike: I don't think it's possible at all12:47
mikejucato: no?12:47
Jucatoyep12:47
Jucatoyou can try asking in #kde if you want. but I don't think that it's possible12:48
mikehmm i thought as there is this "configure background program"...12:48
Jucatoif it were, you're a genius for discovering that :)12:48
mikeseems to be afeature, but may be it's a bug ;)12:48
Jucatowell it really only works w/ something that draws static images, like kwebdesktop12:48
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Jucatoeven kwebdesktop isn't animated or interactive12:49
mikeoic. i acually never tried it as i don't know the terminal console commands12:49
Jucatoso I really doubt it12:49
mikebut can't the command be replaced with kscreensaver or something?12:49
JucatoI don't think so. you can ask in #kde if you want to really investiage12:50
Jucatoinvestigate12:50
mikei'll do that thx for the pointer12:50
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apparlehi everyone01:02
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apparledoes anyone use OSS drivers01:11
LeeJunFanMicrosoft becomes the new SCO now eh. Balmer saying Linux users are going to have to pay up for using MS IP. They can't make people pay for their own crap, so they are trying to get in on Linux users.01:13
ibilichow do I compile and run in one line from the terminal using g++01:13
ibilicif I do g++ bla bla bla | ./output, it runs the previous version01:13
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ibilicg++ router.cpp graphics.c -o router -lX11 -lm | ./router01:14
ibilicbut really, I want it to wait until it's finished and then run the compiled file01:14
ibilicnot run in parallel01:14
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apparleIf i have a source code ( .tar.gz or .tar.bz2) how to make a .deb package01:15
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apparlehow to make packages using source code01:17
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apparlehow to create .deb from source codes01:19
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_4strO!package01:21
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about package - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:21
_4strO!deb01:21
ubotudeb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)01:21
_4strO!sources01:22
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu01:22
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apparle_4strO: I have a source code in .tar.bz2 how to make a .deb package from it01:23
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_4strOapparle: sorry i dont know01:25
apparlenobody here knows how to make .deb packages from source codes(.tar.bz2 or .tar.gz)01:26
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_4strOapparle: did you search on internet ?01:27
TheGateKeeperapparle: if it source code then you will first need to compile it & make executables & libs, which you can either install directly of make a deb from01:27
VSpikeapparle: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5100301:28
TheGateKeeperif you google you will documentation for making a deb01:28
VSpikeapparle: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html01:28
leon_romainI have used this manual from IBM once01:28
leon_romainhttp://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html01:28
leon_romainNow I just compile from source when there's no deb01:29
VSpikeleon_romain: that works as long as you don't want to upgrade something which other things depend on, for example01:30
leon_romainVSpike: That is true. I mostly start with a stable system and stick with it. I just install few packages from source. If dependency issuescome up , I'll just recompile the package(s).01:32
alejandrohi01:32
leon_romainhi01:33
alejandrosome like gksudo but in kde?01:33
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leon_romainyes?01:33
alejandrowhat?01:33
mooperhi chaps, Im trying to get my samba working properly but its being a bit of a cock01:33
leon_romainI have gksudo in kde01:33
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leon_romainalejandro: what would you like to know?01:34
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apparlehttp://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/base/linux-restricted-modules-generic i wnt this package for 2.6.20-15 where to get01:35
nosrednaekimapparle: "sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic"01:36
mooperhttp://rafb.net/p/WVYWAg56.html can some kindly chappy cast an ever my samba config and tell me why the [users]  thing is borked01:36
mooper?01:36
apparlei donot have net at home and sitting on a public PC with Windows XP. Thats why i am downloading it.01:37
nosrednaekimapparle: ah... well thats the package right there.... isin't it?01:38
apparlenosrednaekim: no problem i got it01:39
nosrednaekimok01:39
mooperSeeker`:http://rafb.net/p/WVYWAg56.html can some kindly chappy cast an eye my samba config and tell me why the [users]  thing is borked. If I try to connect to it from a windows box It brings up the user name and password thing but will allow me no further.01:39
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apparleIs there a restricted manager in kubuntu01:41
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bazziebhi there, what is the difference between KUBUNTU and UBUNTU?01:41
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tmskebazzieb: kubuntu uses kde and ubuntu gnome as default desktop environment01:42
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bazziebthks01:43
apparlebazzeib: ubuntu uses Gnome as the desktop, where as kubuntu uses KDE01:43
apparlehow to install ATI graphic card drivers01:43
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nosrednaekimapparle: you have o get the restricted manager for fiesty,01:44
nosrednaekimapparle: "apt-get install restricted-manager"01:45
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apparlenosrednaekim: Tell me how to do it offline01:45
apparlenosrednaekim: how to download it on the public PC and then install it at home01:46
nosrednaekimapparle: I don't know... it has a ton of dependencies. You know, it might be better for you to just download or order the kubuntu DVD.01:46
YammehCan anyone suggest a better audio player/manager than amarok? It seems to hate me01:46
nosrednaekimYammeh: I can't suggest a better one,but I can suggest alternatives01:47
nosrednaekimExaile!01:47
YammehIs there anything I can do to stop it from crashing on me all the time? I can't seem to get it to play anything01:47
apparleYammeh: What problems are u having01:48
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apparleyammeh: Can it play mp3???01:48
YammehWell I've added my music to it's library, but when I try and make a playlist to actually play the song, it just stalls01:48
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apparlethe songs are in which format????01:48
YammehIt played the demo song that came with it, but won't let me get as far as playing one from my collection01:48
Yammehmp301:48
apparlehave you installed mp3 support01:49
YammehIt doesn't come with mp3 support by default?01:49
apparleYammeh: have you installed mp3 support01:49
nosrednaekimYammeh: run "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs"01:49
Yammehlol, it really doesn't come with mp3 support by default?01:50
apparleapparle: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs01:50
nosrednaekimYammeh: no... because of liscence restrictions.01:50
Yammehwow, ok01:50
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nosrednaekimYammeh: its because in certain countries (US and Germany) its illegal to play Mp3's unless you paid for a decoder.01:51
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apparleyammeh : Got it working01:51
YammehYou're kidding? That's insane01:51
YammehAnyway, yes it works now01:51
YammehThanks01:51
VSpikeHow can I make kdm pass the "logverbose" option to xorg?01:52
VSpikeI found the line ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc01:52
VSpikeCan I add it to that?01:52
apparlenosrednaekim: any other option to restricted manager01:52
nosrednaekimYammeh: nope i'm dead serious....01:52
apparleyammeh: You are in which country01:53
nosrednaekimapparle: just download the deb "xorg-driver-fglrx"01:53
YammehUk01:53
apparlenosrednaekim: Can you do me a favour01:53
nosrednaekimyup01:54
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apparlenosrenaekim: Tell me the list of dependencies which might be missing on default kubuntu setup for synaptic01:56
apparlenosrednaekim: make a download script for restricted manager and mail it to me01:56
nosrednaekimapparle: I made a little script that would do that for you on the command line... interested?01:57
nosrednaekimapparle: the list of dependencies is pretty big.01:57
apparlenosrednaekim: Still send me the list01:57
nosrednaekimapparle: ok01:58
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apparlehow to open .mht files in kubuntu02:00
JuJuBeeI want to make a backup of my home directory so I can move it to a server while I flatten my laptop.  What is the best way to do this?  I was thinking of tar...02:01
leon_romainOpera seems able to open *.mht files.02:01
nosrednaekimapparle: http://pastebin.ca/73178102:01
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nosrednaekimJuJuBee: yeah.... thats what I use02:02
leon_romainRenaming it to .html may also work.02:02
JuJuBeeHow do I preserver links and perms?02:02
apparlenosrednaekim: Can't i make restricted manager use Adept instead of Synaptic02:02
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nosrednaekimapparle: ah! actually, go into the GUTSY repositories and get "restricted-manager-kde" it works on fiesty too.02:03
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apparlenosrednaekim: what do u mean by ur user name02:04
emilsedghnosrednaekim: restricted-manager-kde works in feisty?02:04
nosrednaekimemilsedgh: I used it...02:04
nosrednaekimapparle: that would be telling02:04
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emilsedghnosrednaekim: hm, it depends on Ubuntu or it could be used on other distro's?02:05
nosrednaekimemilsedgh: the packages would have to be named the same.02:05
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emilsedghhm02:05
apparlenosrednaekim: I will give the gutsy restricted manager a try02:06
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apparlenosrednaekim: tell me the list of dependencies for restricted-manager-kde02:07
nosrednaekimapparle: ok02:08
apparlenosrednaekim: Do all gutsy packages work in feisty02:08
apparlenosrednaekim: how areu sending it02:08
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alejandrohow i can change font used in a programing ide02:08
alejandrolike bluej02:08
nosrednaekimapparle: actually there are no dependencies that you don't already have... you need the restricted-manager though.02:08
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nosrednaekimapparle: sending what?02:09
apparlenosrednaekim: should i download restricted-manager-kde and restricted-manager-core packages only02:10
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nosrednaekimyeah.. thats good enough.02:10
apparlei will try02:11
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alejandrohow to change that horrible fonts in java programs?02:11
tmskei tried to install opensuse 10.3 but lost kubuntu in grub, now I almost found it back, I'm able to boot the kernel, but I only get something called busybox and then a prompt with (initramfs)02:13
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apparlenosrednaekim: I have installed kubuntu and XP on diffrent partitions. If I reinstall XP will it affect GRUB or kubuntu02:13
apparle I have installed kubuntu and XP on diffrent partitions. If I reinstall XP will it affect GRUB or kubuntu02:13
nosrednaekimapparle: certainly will... it will erase grub.02:14
nosrednaekim!grub | tmske02:14
ubotutmske: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto02:14
UserCi have a small question,.. shouldn't be to hard to answer :P02:14
nosrednaekimUserC: you never know :)02:15
UserCdoes kubuntu have any bugs that are not on ubuntu?02:15
apparlenosrednaekim: Should I prefer GRUB or the one called GRUBdos02:15
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nosrednaekimUserC: techincally no, because kubuntu and ubuntu are just different package sets from the ubuntu repositories02:15
nosrednaekimapparle: what?02:15
UserCis there any technically difference? i mean will ubuntu perform tasks better?02:15
nosrednaekimUserC: not really.02:16
UserCsorry for the idiotic question :P02:16
nosrednaekim:)02:16
apparlenosrednaekim: which one  should i prefer default GRUb or the program called GRUBdos02:16
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nosrednaekimapparle: where?02:16
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apparlenosrednaekim: forget it. Tell me how to enable ntfs writing02:18
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nosrednaekim!ntfs02:18
ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse02:18
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nosrednaekim!ntfs-3g02:18
ubotuntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions02:18
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nosrednaekimapparle: this may all be easier of you just got gutsy. which has both that and the restricted-manager-kde02:18
apparlenosrednaekim: gutsy means the beta version isn't it?02:19
nosrednaekimapparle: its going to be released officially in like 8 days02:19
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apparlenosrednaekim: The problem is I have to request the CDs as the net i use is slow02:21
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apparlenosrednaekim: gutsy gibbon 7.10 is the official version right02:23
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nosrednaekimyeah... and you can pre-order the cds for free from shipit02:23
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apparlenosrednaekim: i had a lot of problems in enabling sound on fiesty. Is there any improvement in gutsy about sound drivers.(In feisty i am i have to use OSS drivers)02:25
YammehCan anyone help me with a problem with wine? I've installed Steam and when it loads none of the text is in application. I've tried to uninstall it so I can reinstall it and it doesn't do anything..02:25
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apparlenosrednaekim: i had a lot of problems in enabling sound on fiesty. Is there any improvement in gutsy about sound drivers.(In feisty i am i have to use OSS drivers)02:27
nosrednaekimdepends on your hardware, but for me there was02:27
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apparledoes the pentium4 support the 64bit02:28
Lureany feisty user around? I would need /usr/share/acpi-support/policy-funcs file from feisty to be pasted somewhere02:28
apparlenosrednaekim: I have the ATI SB450 card02:28
apparlenosrednaekim: I have preordered the CDs02:29
nosrednaekimLure: trying to find someone...02:29
Lurenosrednaekim: thanks02:29
apparlenosrednaekim: Is it the LTS version02:29
nosrednaekimDaisuke_Ido: you around?02:29
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apparleBye everyone02:30
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nosrednaekimemilsedgh: you around?02:30
JucatoLure: isn't that file found inside a package that you can download from packages.ubuntu.com? or is the contents generated on install?02:31
nosrednaekimLure: is that a kubuntu dependant file? maybe someone in #ubuntu would have it.02:31
nosrednaekima little more active over there.02:31
Jucatos/is/are/02:31
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LureJucato: it should be, I thought it woudl be easier to find feisty user ;-)02:31
Jucatoheheh02:31
emilsedghnosrednaekim: yes02:31
Jucatohttp://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=policy-funcs&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=feisty&arch=i38602:31
Jucatoer nvm...02:32
nosrednaekimemilsedgh: are you running fiesty?02:32
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emilsedghnosrednaekim: yes02:32
nosrednaekimemilsedgh: could you do something for our dear developer Lure?  pastebin the contents of this file "/usr/share/acpi-support/policy-funcs"02:33
tmskenosrednaekim: I'll need more help, I read those links and tried some things but I still only get to a prompt with (initramfs)02:33
nosrednaekimtmske: well, I can't help ATM,I have to go in like a minute.02:34
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tmskeok, no problem, thanks anyway02:35
emilsedghLure: http://phpfi.com/26803902:35
Lureemilsedgh, nosrednaekim: thanks a lot!02:36
emilsedghnp Lure02:36
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nosrednaekimNo problem ;)02:36
YammehCan someone suggest to me any reason why wine would not display the text of an application I've installed?02:36
nosrednaekimYammeh: #winehq02:37
emilsedghlp} '02:37
YammehAh, sweet. Thanks02:37
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JuJuBeeHmm, I am trying to run firefox but i get  a message telling me it is running already but not responding.  ps aux | grep firefox returns only the grep, no instance of firefox is listed.02:40
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JuJuBeeHow do I kill it so the os knows it is dead?02:40
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nosrednaekimJuJuBee: thats a common problem with firefox, you have to log out.02:42
JuJuBeeDid a restart.  still exists.02:42
JuJuBeeDoing logout now...02:42
nosrednaekimJuJuBee: I think there is a forfox lock file or something.02:42
JuJuBeeAny idea where?02:43
nosrednaekimno clue.02:43
nosrednaekimc ya'll gotta get to school02:43
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Lacrymologyazureus is crashing horribly, is there any known issues?02:46
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apparleare feisty packages supported in gutsy02:50
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bazhangLacrymology: ktorrent is having some issues there as well.02:50
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Jucatoapparle: depends. it's best if you use the version for gutsy02:50
apparlealright02:51
JuJuBeeFound the files to remove... ~/.mozilla/firefox/{randomstring}.default/lock & .parentlock02:51
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apparleif i play a song in amarok and then run kmix it works. But if i start it  directly it crashes?? Help02:51
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martosshi there, i have ~/bin in $PATH in my bashrc02:57
martossif i open a console, i can run programs in ~/bin but not from ALT+F202:57
kubuntu15hi02:57
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martosson another ubuntu machine, it works as expected02:58
martossany hints where i can look for02:58
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JuJuBeeIs there a way to restart a tar process where it left off if it quit?02:59
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JuJuBeeWill the -N option do that?03:00
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VSpikeHow can I make kdm pass the "logverbose" option to xorg?03:03
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geniiVSpike: in /etc/init.d/kdm   uncomment the line #ARG="$ARG -debug 255"03:04
geniiVSpike: I'm not sure this is for xorhg03:05
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Jucatogenii!!!!03:08
VSpikegenii: that's interesting - I don't think it is for xorg, but it's interesting anyway, and it would probably be useful to turn it on03:08
VSpikegenii: thanks03:08
geniiVSpike: You're welcome. Hope it helps03:09
geniiVSpike: May be able to pass args to X by adding them to end of line specifying kdm as login manager in file /etc/X11/default-display-manager03:11
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Jucatotea!!!03:12
Jucatoaw.. :(03:12
geniiDarn forgot LOL03:12
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Jucatoyay!! :)03:13
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geniihydrogen: :)03:16
VSpikegenii: I have a feeling it can be done in kdmrc03:17
VSpikeI found the line ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc03:17
ToyManI could use more nomrality ;-)03:17
jpatrickkubuntu's perfection = no questions03:17
geniiVSpike: Ah, nice find :)03:17
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VSpikegenii: what's confusing me is that kdm calls /usr/bin/X which is undocumented, and is not the same as /usr/bin/Xorg, which is documented.  I'm guessing the former is just a wrapper of some kind, so the args would be the same03:18
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Jucatojpatrick: what is perfecton? :)03:18
geniiVSpike: I recall previously when starting a specific wm from commandline, if you passed arguments there they would go to the X server, why i suggested appending them in the /etc/X11/default-display-manager03:18
hydrogenX is the actual server03:18
hydrogenXorg is the wrapper I believe03:18
VSpikeXorg is much bigger than X03:19
JucatoX.org is an implementation of the X Window System (iirc)03:19
hydrogen 5357 tty7     SLs+   0:41 /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xa03:19
geniiVSpike: As hydrogen says, X is the actual backend there03:19
hydrogenX is the program running03:19
VSpikeyeah, true03:19
Jucatowell, whatever, it's X :)03:19
VSpikebut "man X" gives nothing03:19
Jucatotry man Xorg03:19
hydrogenX -help03:20
JucatoXorg is a specific implementation. another implementation used before was XFree8603:20
hydrogen-logverbose [n]         verbose log messages03:20
VSpikehydrogen: ahh good call03:20
hydrogenis an option for X03:20
hydrogenlots of things don't have man pages03:20
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hydrogenalmost everything has help :)03:20
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Jucatoalmost :)03:20
VSpikeI think I tried X --help and it told me to go away so I gave up03:21
hydrogenwell, yea03:21
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hydrogenhydrogen -help tells you what you can do with the nearest stick03:21
hydrogenbut I'm a special case03:21
geniiWell if you don't get help with --help switch at least it will usually show you all the switches anyhow03:21
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tzangergood morning03:21
tzangerI have a bit of a problem03:21
tzangerI set up a dualscreen system03:21
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VSpikeJucato: but that was my exact question - does the info in man Xorg apply to X?03:22
tzangerbut the display is unreadable now, and I have no idea which file to go in and mangle, since kcontrol's display settings now cause kcontrol to crash03:22
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VSpikeJucato: I was assuming so, but was curious to know what the ralationship between the two was03:22
VSpikeJucato: exactly03:22
tzangeri.e. I can't set the resoution or revert since I can't get in there03:22
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tzangerand running kcontrol with sudo doesn't show me anything for the display03:22
hydrogenJucato: that odens't mean that the xorg wrapper takes the same commands as the X program03:22
woddf2Hello03:22
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VSpikefrickin big wrapper though03:23
JucatoI won't/can't argue with a developer, but I understood it differently... :)03:23
Jucatobut afaik, as far as your system is concerned, Xorg *is* your X program03:23
woddf2apt is broken! http://pastebin.com/m4d4aba3b03:23
geniitzanger: You may want to try cycling thru resolutions manually with ctrl-alt then - or + from keypad at right (not the ones on top row of regular keyboard)03:24
tzangerkcmshell Peripherals/displayconfig is crashing apparently (SIGSEGV)03:24
woddf2It refuses to install anything.03:24
tzangergenii: hmm I'll give that a shot03:24
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Jucatotzanger: how about trying to run displayconfig?03:24
woddf2I am on Kubuntu 6.06.03:24
Jucato!aptfix | woddf203:24
ubotuwoddf2: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 03:24
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tzangerJucato: crash03:25
woddf2No, apt-get, aptitude, and Adept just refuse to install anything because it has trouble uninstalling a package. http://pastebin.com/m4d4aba3b03:25
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Jucatowoddf2: id dyou try the command that the bot gave?03:26
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woddf2I will try that.03:26
woddf2It still does not work.03:27
woddf2http://pastebin.com/m7043896f03:28
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Admiral_Chicagowhat does aptitude install tell you?03:31
geniiwoddf2: Since you are removing it anyhow, why not do: sudo touch /usr/sbin/update-gtk-immodules             then run the remove again03:31
JucatoAdmiral_Chicago!!!!!!!!!03:32
Jucato*cough* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!03:32
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Admiral_Chicagotry using sudo aptitude remove or whatever you need, that will give you more options03:32
woddf2It still does not work.03:32
geniiJucato: Wow, yer just leaning on that ! today LOL03:32
Admiral_Chicagohiya Jucato!!!1 :)03:32
Jucatono wonder my fingers are sore :)03:32
Admiral_Chicagowoddf2: does it give you more options?03:32
woddf2No03:32
woddf2http://pastebin.com/m2f74e5ff03:32
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Broc93Vado...03:33
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Broc93Vado...03:34
Jucato!it | Broc9303:34
ubotuBroc93: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!03:34
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Daisuke_Laptop!nickflood03:34
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about nickflood - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:34
geniiwoddf2: Since that file has no contents you can: sudo chmod +x /usr/sbin/update-gtk-immodules03:34
JucatoBroc93: stop changing nicks03:34
Daisuke_Laptopmeh03:34
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Broc93Jucato: sorry03:35
woddf2It's working!03:35
Jucato!it | Broc9303:35
ubotuBroc93: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!03:35
Broc93I was only doing a etst03:35
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woddf2Thanks03:35
woddf2Goodbye03:35
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Broc93Vado...03:36
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bazhangjust shows the global reach of Ubuntu/Kubuntu03:36
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Jucatoduh! I'm from southeast asia. it's *really* global :)03:37
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bazhangme too; though not originally.03:37
Admiral_ChicagoJucato: me too incidently03:37
JucatoO.o03:38
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weswh-looked like some pretty substantial updates this morning03:38
bazhangJucato:  have you done any translation work? I was considering it..03:38
JucatoAdmiral_Chicago: no you're not. you're speedy :)03:38
Jucatobazhang: nope. not even a word :)03:38
bazhang;] 03:38
Admiral_Chicagowell gotta run to class, see everyone around.03:39
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Jucatobye speedy :)03:39
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geniiHave fun :)03:39
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geniijhutchins_x: Mornin :)  (or not depending on location)03:40
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dirkihi03:42
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YammehHey peeps, I'm following a guide to help me setup kubuntu with all the necessary packages etc and I'm trying to install "w32codecs", but apt-get says that it's not available.. anyone know if there is an alternative to this package?03:44
ardchoille!seveas | Yammeh you can find w32codecs here:03:45
ubotuYammeh you can find w32codecs here:: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - And he's getting married!03:45
YammehOk thanks, I'll have a look into it03:46
geniiHeh. i wonder who doesn't know by now Seveas is getting hitched?03:47
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ardchoillegenii: I didn't know until jut now03:48
ardchoilles/jut/just/03:48
geniiAh, I see now someone removed it in the topic of #kubuntu-offtopic        ...was there for a while03:49
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genii!falcon03:51
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about falcon - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:51
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geniiHeh03:51
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genii/msg ubotu hi03:55
geniibah03:55
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bazhanggenii: the thing about showing pager backgrounds on different desktops (though for gnome) http://wallpapoz.akbarhome.com/03:58
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bazhangdon't know if you had seen that or not..03:59
geniibazhang: Ah, thanks for remembering. For compiz cube?03:59
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Jucatoweheheh! nice. somethign KDE had for years? :)04:00
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bazhanggenii: I believe so, but as I don't use gnome currently can't test it..sorry04:00
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geniiJucato: I had asked last night i think about if possible to make compiz cube sides display different wallpaper (preferably corresponding to a workspace on the pager)04:02
Jucatoaaaah04:02
geniiBookmarked04:02
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iwantanelectriccwhat are the major differences between kubuntu's KDE and ubuntu's Gnome desktops?  Is one really better than the other?04:14
Jucato!kde04:15
ubotuKDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.04:15
Jucato!gnome04:15
ubotugnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.04:15
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BluesKaj'Morning all :)04:16
jpatrickBluesKaj: morning04:16
Jucatomoin BluesKaj04:16
BluesKajhiyas jpatrick, Jucato04:18
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YammehAnyone know if Miro requires a tv tuner?04:19
BluesKajthe latest gutsy updates seem to have made things much more stable ...less app crashes04:19
BluesKajerr fewer app crashes04:19
bazhangYammeh: for just viewing stuff on your computer?04:19
YammehFor this "internet tv" thing04:19
bazhangYammeh: no but it does need the non-free flash--gnash doesn't do it.04:20
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apothusHi im very new to ubuntu, i can manage to manage directorys etc and i can install things but only following very simple tutorials. At the moment im trying to install DC++ for linux and i am having trouble, can anyone help with this?04:20
YammehDo you know if it supports many decent channels?04:20
bazhangYammeh: if you want to watch tv through kubuntu, then tv-links.uk is the place to go.04:21
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bazhangYammeh: not tv in the traditional sense on miro; it's youtube/google/etc. video, either in its browser, or you can download it.04:22
YammehAh, ok04:22
bazhangYammeh: ie either streaming or download. tv-links.uk is real tv.04:22
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bazhangYammeh: through firefox or Konqueror.04:22
apothusno one has any advice? i followed a tutorial but i think i missed something or i misunderstood some commands04:23
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apothus#channels04:23
bazhangapothus: what is that?04:24
apothuswhat #channels?04:24
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bazhangdc++04:24
cw_hi04:24
bazhanghi cw_04:24
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apothusoh, it stands for Direct Connect, its a program i used on windows to transfer files over a network04:25
bazhangapothus: oh ok thanks.04:25
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poison--!JAVA04:26
ubotuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.04:26
apothusits very handy at lans, the tutorial i was following is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2837804:26
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apothus!channels04:27
ubotuA list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines04:27
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VSpikeX really is a wrapper to Xorg04:28
VSpikesudo readlink /proc/$(pidof X | cut -f1 --delimiter=' ')/exe04:28
nick_merkinHello04:28
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nick_merkinI'd like to report set of bugs in russian localization. Is this channel what I need?04:29
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tarek_i want to program with gcc but it reports errors that i doesnt know stdlib.h and stdio.h04:30
tarek_can someone help?04:30
bazhang!ru04:30
ubotu   #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke04:30
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nick_merkinthanks.04:31
apothusas in it cant find stdlib.h?04:31
tarek_apothus:i guess04:31
apothusso you had #include <stdio.h>04:31
Jucatotarek_: did you install the package "build-essential"?04:31
tarek_apothus: exactly04:31
tarek_no04:32
tarek_didnt04:32
tarek_is there anything else i should include in my apt-get install??04:32
Jucatoplease do so, then try again04:32
tarek_kk04:32
Jucatobuild-essential should cover the basic necessities04:32
poison--anyone using virtualbox?04:33
apothusJucato:  i have been playing with gcc lately, nice simple program that compiles to test.out but im not sure how to run the program04:34
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Ace2016Hi all04:34
Ace2016what app controls the backlight?04:34
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Ace2016on a laptop04:35
bazhangAce2016: thinkpad?04:35
Ace2016no hp pavillion04:35
Jucatoapothus: ./test.out (but shouldn't it be a.out?)04:35
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Ace2016i wish i got the thinkpad, the lcds on the pavilions suck04:35
apothusi compiled it to be test, just on the offchance04:36
bazhangAce2016: may not apply but I believe it was fn + high F key (f10, eg)04:36
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apothusJucato:  thanks, works a charm :D04:36
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Ace2016my fuction keys don't work04:36
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bazhangoh ok04:37
Ace2016so i'm giving up on them, they seem to be software driven, so i thought i could talk streight to the app and tell it to increase the backlight04:37
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soa2iiHi there... I just tried to install lirc for my Terratec Cinergy T but if I try to 'make' it:04:37
soa2iisudo make04:37
soa2iimake: *** No targets.  Stop.04:37
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soa2iiwhy?04:38
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Ace2016did you ./configure or ./autogen.sh04:38
Ace2016and its not sudo make04:38
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soa2iiAce2016: Yes... there ist an setup.sh wich offers configure04:39
Ace2016its ./configure, make and make install isn't it? have a look on the readme file04:39
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scootI have a question regarding kubuntu 7.04 and display settings using the latest nvidia drivers, anyone around to answer a couple q's?04:40
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soa2iiAce2016:04:40
soa2iiconfig.status: executing depfiles commands04:40
soa2iiYou will have to use the lirc_serial kernel module.04:40
soa2iiNow enter 'make' and 'make install' to compile and install the package.04:40
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soa2ii/usr/src/lirc-0.8.2$ make04:41
soa2iimake: *** No targets.  Stop.04:41
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apothusso can anyone help me with this install http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28378  ???04:41
BluesKaj!ask | scoot04:42
ubotuscoot: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)04:42
poison--!virtualbox04:43
ubotuVirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox04:43
Ace2016apothus: whats wrong? did you follow the instructions?04:44
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apothusyes, i run the first line which is something along the lines of sudo ...... it asks for the password04:45
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apothusthen i input my admin password and it prompts something about cvs not found04:45
Ace2016apothus: well what you have to do is go to your home dir04:45
apothusok04:46
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Ace2016then make a directory which you will compile in, then cd into that, then run the first command but WITHOUT sudo in front of it04:46
Ace2016then just press enter, no password is needed04:46
YammehHow do you get out of the root login on the konsole?04:46
Ace2016Yammeh: exit04:47
YammehOh, that simple.. thanks04:47
scoot10 4, I have a Nvidia 6600GT and running the nvidia graphics driver. I configure my settings using nvidia-settings (run both with sudo and kdesu), I set my primary display to 1280x1024 (auto refresh), apply, and save to xorg.conf. The problem is, when I reboot...my primary display reverts back to 1024x768. i've tried setting file permissions, enabling root login (i know it's a no no), and plain ole editing the xorg.conf directly. anyone04:48
BluesKajscoot, have you tried configuring your monitor driver ?04:49
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scooti assumed that's what the nvidia-settings gui config menu did?04:50
Ace2016nope04:50
apothusim getting an error sudo: cvs: command? any have an idea what this means04:50
scootalso, my secondary lcd uses the settings I saved04:50
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scootso point me in the direction of the monitor driver and i'll take a look04:50
soa2iiWTF... why is make having no target?!04:51
Vermuxwhat;s the difference between running a program from the Run Command and running the same program through the command prompt?04:51
soa2iiWhat is that?04:51
soa2iised: file ./confstata23563/subs-3.sed line 5: unterminated `s' command04:51
soa2iiconfig.status: creating drivers/Makefile04:51
BluesKajscoot, if the pnp is out of range then it uses the fallback default settings , but if you can setup the monitor driver then your requested settings may work04:52
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apothusdont worry, got it04:54
scootpnp? sometimes when I shutdown it hangs and says "out of range" on my lcd04:54
Vermuxwho can explain what is the difference between running a program from the Run Command and running the same program through the command prompt?04:55
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BluesKajscoot pnp=plug n play=default04:55
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scootok lol, shoulda known that one. Where do I locate what driver is being used for the monitor?04:56
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WaltzingAlongVermux: command prompt?04:58
BluesKajscoot, k-menu/system settings/monitor&display/hardware-tab/admin mode/monitor/configure. Find your monitor in the list and "apply" , if possible.Click "test". If all is well, logout and back in again04:58
scootok thanks04:58
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tarek_apothus: thanks mate everything worked out fine04:59
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scootBluesKaj: Found what you listed and it seems to have worked. But the refresh rate options in that menu only allowed up to 52Mhz, nvidia will display it at 75Mhz. Is there a workaround for this?05:04
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ardchoilleNot sure if this is on topic or not. If I want to watch internet tv, where do I go and what do I need to install? I have firefox and flash currently.05:07
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bazhangtv-link.uk05:08
bazhangoops tv-links.uk05:08
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stdinbazhang: ??05:08
stdinbazhang: links in pm or -ot please :)05:08
VermuxWaltzingAlong: yes05:08
bazhangstdin: just trying to answer ardchoille's question.05:08
stdinbazhang: (just to cover our back sides ;)05:09
ardchoillestdin: My fault, sorry05:09
bazhangstdin: sorry, I was unaware ;(05:09
VermuxWaltzingAlong: what is the difference. in the run command  running a program works and in the konsole it doesnt05:09
scootBluesKaj: Nevermind, setting the resolution in that menu kinda made things worse...and now the System Settings/Monitor and Display/ just crashes05:09
stdinbazhang: well, now you are :p05:09
scooti'm shooting for a reinstall05:09
WaltzingAlongVermux: give me an example05:09
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bazhangstdin: too true--I won't forget. mea culpa maxima.05:10
apothusim thanks for your help05:11
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BluesKajscoot, you can try this in the konsole: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ,if it will give you the refresh rate option in the tutorial05:11
VermuxWaltzingAlong: when I run adept_manager from the konsole I get the following :You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because this application needs special administrator (root) privileges. Please run it as root or through kdesu or sudo programs to be able to perform these actions." when I run it from the Run command Im getting the option to enter password and work05:13
Vermuxwith Adept manager.05:13
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BluesKajVermux, yes you need 'permission' to install apps05:14
Vermuxhow do05:14
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Vermuxi get it if Im using Konsole?05:14
BluesKajthe same password you use at login05:14
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ardchoilleVermux: "kdesu adept_manager" works fine in konsole here.05:16
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ardchoilleBluesKaj: Why does adpet_manager work with root privs whe run from the kmenu and the kmenu entry for it doesn't include "kdesu"?05:16
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elkini have a problem05:16
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stdinardchoille: because the menu entry has "Run a different user" set, which prefixes it with kdesu05:17
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scootthanks agian for the help Blues, bbl..time for work!05:17
BluesKajardchoille, 'kdesu' is meant for the run command box amd 'sudo' is used for the konsole05:17
ardchoillestdin: Ah, thanks.05:18
ardchoilleBluesKaj: Yes, but we don't use sudo for gui apps, we use kdesu05:18
BluesKajyes05:18
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BluesKajcuz your in a gui in the runcommand box already not a 'shell'05:19
ardchoilleyeah05:19
BluesKajsudo=konsole=shell05:19
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BluesKajkde(su)05:20
VermuxBluesKaj: but when I run adept_manager with sudo it woks fine from the konsole05:20
BluesKajyes Vermux, exactly05:20
Vermuxalso kdesu05:20
VermuxBluesKaj: so what's the difference?05:20
BluesKajdon't run kdesu from the konsole05:20
stdin!kdesu | Vermux05:20
Vermuxwhy?05:20
ubotuVermux: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo05:20
ardchoille!kdesu | Vermux05:21
ardchoilleVermux: When running gui apps from konsole, you're supposed to use kdesu, not sudo05:21
BluesKajkde(su)  is meant for running a command in kde like the run command05:21
Jucatoas it applies to Kubuntu, kdesu is meant to run any GUI app w/ root privs05:22
BluesKajJucato, to the rescue , thx :)05:22
Jucatoheh05:23
ardchoilleVermux: Are you saying that "kdesu adept_manager" doesn't work?05:23
BluesKajdon't think GUI is explained very well tho05:23
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JucatoGUI = graphical... :)05:23
Jucatoalso known as WIMP05:23
Vermuxardchoille: it works05:23
ardchoilleok05:23
Vermuxardchoille: but is there any difference when running it from the konsole or Run command?05:24
ardchoilleVermux: Not that I know of05:24
Jucatodoesn't matter. as long as you use kdesu and not sudo05:24
Vermuxso in either option I have to typr kdesu before the command?05:24
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Jucatoyep05:24
ardchoilleyes05:24
Vermuxok05:24
BluesKajstill not clear from his question05:25
BluesKajer05:25
ardchoilleThis channel is great, I learn new things everyday05:25
Vermuxso, why in gra05:25
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WaltzingAlongVermux: konsole is a virtual terminal or terminal emulator. running something from the alt+f2 "run" basically is the same as running one command in konsole with an exit command following it    like        gimp & exit05:28
BluesKajVermux, simple rule ..sudo in the konsole , kdesu in the Run Command05:28
ardchoilleBluesKaj: That's not correct.05:29
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Jucatotralalalala :)05:29
ardchoilleBluesKaj: sudo for cli apps, kdesu for gui apps, regardless of alt+f2 or konsole05:29
JucatoBluesKaj: he still has to use kdesu in Konsole to run graphical apps05:29
BluesKajoh here we go again05:29
Jucatoor any app that uses X05:29
robbyi'm having trouble setting up my divix codec. is it libxvidcore4?05:29
robbydivx*05:29
WaltzingAlongBluesKaj: kdesu <graphical app>       sudo <console app>05:29
robbyor should i get the official?05:30
BluesKajwho runs graphical apps from the konsole requireing permissions ?05:30
WaltzingAlongi do05:30
BluesKajwhy?05:30
WaltzingAlongbecause i can05:30
BluesKajthat's not an answer05:30
ardchoilleWaltzingAlong: Best reason ever05:30
WaltzingAlongwhat was it?05:30
WaltzingAlongsudo aptitude    but          kdesu adept_manager &05:31
JucatoBluesKaj: I do. to see error outputs sometimes05:31
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Jucatoto see some info that gets thrown out05:31
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BluesKajif you have probs ok, but otherwise why bother?05:32
ardchoilleBluesKaj: I do too, I do't even use kmenu anymore.. heck, I don't evenhave kicker visible on my desktop anymore.05:32
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WaltzingAlongcuriosity?05:32
BluesKajahh , i get it... has to do with "linux chops"  CLI purist stuff05:33
WaltzingAlongsome of us prefer icons but i have found that most who prefer icons (shortcuts) prefer them on the desktop anyway and then some of us prefer typing things, even if through katapult05:33
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WaltzingAlongi have not been suggesting that it is for everyone, perhaps just for me!05:33
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WaltzingAlongBluesKaj: perhaps it could be some of that. however i know some who shy away from strict CLI but prefer starting apps by typing them through katapult05:35
WaltzingAlongand i have 10 fingers so typing is faster for me than click, scroll, left left left, click, right, down,05:35
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VSpikekatapult ftw05:37
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BluesKajwe must remember , a lot of ppl are migrating from windows and if linux is to succeed then using more familiar terms and commands is going to make the transition easier and more permanent.05:37
CrypTomHi, I would like to run a shell script as root (either with suid oder sudo), but I cant get it to work05:38
CrypTomwith sudo, it always asks for a password, even if NOPASSWD: is specified05:38
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CrypTomand my rule is the last in the sudoers file05:39
CrypTommy last sudoers line looks as follows:    www-data localhost=(root) NOPASSWD: /usr/local/bin/iar_add.sh05:40
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robbyi'm trying to play a video that requires xvid to play. i installed libxvidcore4 package provided by kubuntu and i get a black screen when playing it in Kaffine. any ideas?05:40
sparrwif I leave firefox running overnight with gmail open, my machine is mostly nonresponsive when i try to wake it from screensaver in the morning.  any suggestions other than remembering to always close gmail?05:40
BluesKajWaltzingAlong, showing off "linux chops" to newbs is one thing but making commands more complex than need be isn't necessary05:40
ardchoilleBluesKaj: I feel that really depends on the user. when I was introduced to Linux I was made to use the cli for two weeks before getting into the desktop. And it's a good thing too because it taught me a lot of things I probably wouldn't have otherwise learned.05:40
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BluesKajardchoille, most ppl aren't "made" to do what you did05:41
WaltzingAlonglike using LaTeX for documents rather than a word processing program.05:41
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Jucatorobby: have you installed libxine-extracodecs (or libxine1-ffmpeg)05:41
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Jucatoum guys, getting offtopic here.. some support questions up there05:41
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ardchoillesparrw: I feel it's good to close firefox at night. Firefox has many memory leaks that can slow things down.05:42
Daisuke_Laptopsparrw: that's a firefox memory issue (and caused by gmail's regular refreshing) to my knowledge.  your best bet is to close firefox.05:42
BluesKajrobby, in the konsole: sudo aptitude install libxine1-ffmpeg05:43
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sparrwnegative on closing firefox.  i do that weekly, at most05:43
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VSpikesparrw: you could also look at http://www.pthree.org/2007/10/06/iceape/05:43
BluesKaj!konqueror05:44
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about konqueror - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi05:44
Daisuke_Laptopthen you should probably do it more often, or live with it being slow.  it has a massive memory leak.05:44
BluesKajwow05:44
WaltzingAlong!info konqueror05:44
ubotukonqueror: KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.7 (feisty), package size 1992 kB, installed size 5324 kB05:44
ardchoillesparrw: weekly at most? that might be the problem05:44
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sparrwnever at best05:44
Daisuke_Laptopthat isn't going to work05:44
VSpikeIt's an endless rouce of irritation that the ctrl+mousewheel to change text size in firefox and konq are in opposite directions05:44
VSpikerouce = source05:44
Daisuke_Laptopuntil it's fixed, you're going to have to work around the memory issue, or use a different browser.05:45
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Daisuke_Laptopi assure you, it will not kill you to restart your browser occasionally05:45
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VSpike!opera05:46
ubotuopera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser05:46
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lukasz_Witam!! Mam ogulne pytanie dotyczace internetu przez WiFi, to jest moj drugi dzien z Kubuntu iwec prosze o wyrozumialosc. jak skonfigorawac system (ustawieni itp.) azebym mogl sie lonczyc z netem przez WiFi ??05:47
Daisuke_Laptop!pl05:47
ubotuMozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl05:47
clouderhow can I make my screensavers not span across both monitors but have each monitor running a screensaver (doesn't need to be different screensavers, just not spanning)05:47
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BluesKajKonqueror reall works well as a browser ...it takes a bit of patience and getting used to , but definitely worth it.05:47
VSpikeDaisuke_Laptop: did you guess that or did you know? :)05:47
lukasz_thanks ;005:48
Daisuke_Laptopit was a fairly educated guess :)05:48
Daisuke_Laptopyou're welcome05:48
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VSpikeDaisuke_Laptop: it would have been mine too, agreed05:48
robbyblueskaj ty i'll try that05:48
Daisuke_Laptopi've seen enough to have a really good idea what language i'm seeing05:48
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robbyblueskaj wow ty it works05:48
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fay_elf!nvidia | fay_elf05:49
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BluesKajnp robby :)05:50
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YammehHey, is anyone about to try and help me setup my usb speakers to work in kubuntu? They're being recognised when I've plugged them in, I just need to know how to make them default when they're plugged in05:51
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BluesKajYammeh, first in the konsole : sudo asoundconf list05:52
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a2121edsa05:52
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YammehThe usb speakers are shown as default on there05:52
BluesKajYammeh, then in the konsole : sudo asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"05:52
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YammehSweet! Thanks alot05:54
BluesKajYammeh, do you have more than one soundcard ?05:54
YammehI have the built in one, and then there's on in the speakers05:54
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BluesKajYammeh, that's a bit unusual .The spkrs usually just have an amplifier.They get their sound input from your built in soundcard, even if they are USB05:58
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apothushello all05:58
drifBluesKaj: imho you don't need soundcard with usb-speakers05:58
BluesKajdrif, interesting05:59
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BluesKajdrif, how do you direct the sound routing ?06:00
apothusi am trying to install libglade2.4.0 i run ./config and when i try "sudo make" i get the error "sudo: make: command not found"06:00
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apothuscan anyone tell me what i may be doing wrong06:00
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Kachnalooks like U don't have makeutils or what was that :-)06:01
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Jucatoapothus: did you install build-essential ?06:01
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drifBluesKaj: I believe it (speakers) appears as usb-audio device06:02
apothusi think i may have but i have done so many wierd things i could have completely over looked it :P06:02
Jucato!info libglade2-006:02
ubotulibglade2-0: library to load .glade files at runtime. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.6.0-3 (feisty), package size 83 kB, installed size 212 kB06:02
Jucatoapothus: seems like the libglade from the repos is version 2.606:02
apothussorry "repos"?06:03
Daisuke_Laptopyou're new around here :)06:03
BluesKajthx drif ..good to know ... i have no experience with USB sound setups06:03
Daisuke_Laptop!repositories06:03
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu06:03
Daisuke_Laptop!packages06:03
ubotuYou can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!06:03
Daisuke_Laptopthat includes libglade (and most of everything else you'll ever need!)06:04
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apothusyeah, :D kinda new at all this06:05
Daisuke_Laptopeveryone is at first :)06:05
Jucatoapothus: repositories/repos = online database/source of packages built and tested for a specific distribution06:05
Jucatoin this case, Ubuntu's repositories06:05
apothusalthough i am enjoying it (usuall frustrations at times) good when i get something06:05
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Jucatoyou don't have to compile everything you need on distros such as Kubuntu06:06
Jucatoyou only need to compile if no packages is available06:06
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drsatyrihey all06:07
drsatyriim new, but i <3 kubuntu06:07
apothusok, yes my overall aim is to install DC++ (still) and from the tutorial it says i need these various packages06:07
devianceWhat program do I use to change the Bootsplash06:08
Jucatoapothus: then install those packages from the repos if they are there06:08
Jucato!usplash | deviance06:08
ubotudeviance: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork06:08
WaltzingAlong!usplash | deviance06:08
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Jucato:)06:08
WaltzingAlong:(06:08
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drsatyri:|06:08
WaltzingAlong-_-06:09
drsatyriha. indifference wins.06:09
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devianceAnyone who uses Piding mind telling me if I can set IRC up to auto open channels and auto identify?07:28
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drsatyrii can get pidgen and try it07:29
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drsatyriif i can type in my password that is07:30
drsatyrigetting src now07:31
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JuJuBeeGreetings, I need someone that can help me get my ATI controller on my laptop working correctly.07:32
JuJuBeeI have been trying for 3 days with no luck.07:32
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devianceds07:39
devianceHmm07:39
devianceTimS07:39
TimSHello07:39
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jarihi07:39
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jariany one knows where the server keeps access logs?07:40
TimSNope, sorry07:40
jariwell I mean kubuntu server07:40
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tolkieng'day all07:41
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tolkienis there anyone around?07:43
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stdinpeople are here, just being quiet07:44
fdovingjari: which server?07:44
tolkienlol07:44
tolkienthat's what I thought07:44
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stdinjari: I'm guessing you mean /var/log/auth.log07:45
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fdovingjari: or apache access logs? /var/log/apache2/access.log maybe?07:46
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drsatyriwhats the controller07:47
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jarifdoving: kubuntu server, my own , v 7.0407:48
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JuJuBeedrsatyri : you mean me (ATI)?07:49
JuJuBee01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] 07:49
drsatyriand youve tried the binary drivers obviously07:49
fdovingjari: then they are in /var/log/ divided into different files for different happenings. it's all controlled by either individual apps or /etc/syslog.conf07:49
JuJuBeeDo you mean the ones from ATI?07:49
drsatyriyeah07:49
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JuJuBeeYes, but not sure if things are messed up enough so even they did not work.07:50
JuJuBeeI had this working fine under edgy...07:50
drsatyrisame xorg conf?07:50
JuJuBeeNo, have done fresh install of feisty since then...07:50
drsatyridoes x start?07:51
JuJuBeeUnfortunately I did not save my xorg.conf file.  I have learned my lesson.07:51
JuJuBeeYes07:51
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drsatyriso its the resolution/color depth thats distorted07:51
drsatyri?07:51
JuJuBeeI am set to 1280x800 @ 60Hz07:51
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jarifdoving: thank you07:51
drsatyrilcd display? if so whats the native resolution07:52
JuJuBeeNothing distorted on laptop, just that the left 2inches of my desktop not coming through projector...07:52
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JuJuBeeTop and bottom 1/4 inch also07:52
JuJuBeeI have a widescreen laptop...07:52
drsatyriso you have a projector hooked up07:53
drsatyriim googling as you speak :)07:53
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drsatyriwhat kind of projector is it?07:53
JuJuBeeYes07:53
drsatyrii probably cant help you but im gonna try07:53
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JuJuBeeMitsubishi07:53
JuJuBeeMy current working xorg.conf is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57243407:54
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JuJuBeeLast year I was able to clone my desktop.  I eventually want to span so I can do work on my laptop without them seeing what I am doing.07:55
drsatyrianyone know if a modeline would be appropriate for this situation?07:56
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drsatyrifrom a thread w/ a mitsubishi projector:07:58
drsatyriFortunately, Gusty is going to make xorg configuring MUCH easie07:58
drsatyriwell thats helpful :P07:58
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drsatyrisounds like this guy is trying to do something similar: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-541833.html\07:59
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JuJuBeeUsing Intel video chipset though...08:00
drsatyriyeah i know :/08:00
drsatyrieven the laptop resolution is the same :P08:01
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drsatyrii know its asinine but do you know the model of the projector?08:04
drsatyrii actually think a modeline will work, we just have to figure out what modeline we'd use08:05
drsatyrisounds like a vsync problem08:05
JuJuBeeYea, XD205R08:05
JuJuBeeWeird that I did not need to do that with Edgy...08:06
drsatyriwell im definitely not an xorg expert08:06
JuJuBeeAny thoughts as to why I only have 60Hz Refresh now?  I used to have more (up to 85Hz)08:06
drsatyrilemme look at that xorg conf again just a sec08:07
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JuJuBeek08:08
loicsalut08:08
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loichey08:09
bazhanghi loic08:09
loichow are u ?08:10
bazhangdo you have a question loic?08:10
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loicyeah, i'm actually on internet, but when i run Konqueror, he tell me : An error occurred while loading http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org:08:10
bazhangloic: it loads fine for me; can you access other sites?08:11
loicno...08:11
JuJuBeeSounds like dns08:11
loicoh08:12
drsatyriopendns is nice08:12
loichow to check it ?08:12
drsatyrilemme get an ip, try pinging it08:12
drsatyri213.95.41.1108:13
drsatyrithatll tell if its dns or not08:13
loicwhat shall i do ?08:13
drsatyritry pinging the above ip address to see if you can connect w/out dns08:13
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loicok08:13
JuJuBeeOpen a terminal/konsole and type ping 213.95.41.1108:13
loici'm doing08:14
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loicit's ok... :08:14
loicPING 213.95.41.11 (213.95.41.11) 56(84) bytes of data.08:14
loic64 bytes from 213.95.41.11: icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=50.3 ms08:14
loic64 bytes from 213.95.41.11: icmp_seq=2 ttl=49 time=97.9 ms08:14
loic64 bytes from 213.95.41.11: icmp_seq=3 ttl=49 time=68.9 ms08:14
loic64 bytes from 213.95.41.11: icmp_seq=4 ttl=49 time=80.3 ms08:14
drsatyriso yeah dns08:14
loicso ?08:14
drsatyriin konsole type "sudo kate /etc/resolv.conf"08:14
drsatyrii think its kate i almost said gedit :p08:15
loici'm on KDE08:15
bazhangit's kate :] 08:15
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loicok ;)08:15
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loicok it's open, and now ?08:16
drsatyrisry laptop is dying just a sec08:16
drsatyriok now you should see like "nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"08:16
loicnameserver 192.168.1.108:16
loicnameserver 0.0.0.008:16
drsatyrichange the xxx... to "208.67.222.222"08:16
drsatyrithats the address for the opendns name server08:16
drsatyri(s)08:16
drsatyrisave the file, close kate, and open a terminal08:17
drsatyrior yknow use the one you already opened08:17
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loichum i don't undersand... Do I add something ?08:17
Anto__Heya can somone help me install my nvidia drivers, and change my keyboard settings back to swedish__08:18
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drsatyriwell you can either add a another nameserver08:18
drsatyri(ie 208.67.222.222)08:18
drsatyrior you can replace your existing gateway nameserver (192.168.1.1) with it08:18
loicok08:18
loici will try08:18
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drsatyrithen save the resolv.conf, and close kate08:19
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loicok, it is right ?08:20
loicnameserver 208.67.222.22208:20
loicnameserver 0.0.0.008:20
drsatyriyeah thats fine08:20
loicok08:20
loicnow, i'm on a new terminal08:20
drsatyrihm now lemme see08:20
drsatyrii wanna make sure i give you the right advice :)08:20
loicAnd now ? what must i do ?08:21
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drsatyritry going to the site again08:21
drsatyriyou might have to restart the networking services08:21
loicAn error occurred while loading http://www.google.com:08:21
loicCould not connect to host http://www.google.com/.08:21
loic:-/08:21
loichum08:21
drsatyrilemme make sure thats the right dns08:21
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drsatyrier address08:21
loicwhait08:21
loici haven't restart the networking services08:22
loichow to do it ?08:22
drsatyriwell you would normally do so by typing "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"08:22
drsatyriinto a terminal08:22
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TimS!pidgin08:23
ubotupidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It wasn't released in time for Feisty. Expect it in gutsy. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info. To install Pidgin please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallPidgin2.008:23
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TimS!pidgin | TimS08:23
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drsatyrithats the right opendns address, it should work08:23
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loicit's ok08:24
loicdo you want see the answer of the konsole ?08:24
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drsatyripl08:24
drsatyriplz08:24
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loicit's ok, do you want see the answer of the konsole ?08:24
acomacoanyone know any good games that don't take alot of computer power with Wine? or even linux? =)08:24
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drsatyriabsolutely08:25
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loicit's so long.... ^08:25
drsatyriehm08:25
loicPassword:08:25
loic * Reconfiguring network interfaces...                                          RTNETLINK answers: No such process08:25
loicThere is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid with pid 590908:25
loickilled old client process, removed PID file08:25
loicInternet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.408:25
drsatyrimaybe not then; but you still arent able to connect to google.com?08:25
bazhangpastebin?08:25
Zombine Guild Wars works nicely08:25
drsatyri:(08:25
drsatyrii failed him\08:25
drsatyrilol08:25
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drsatyrisry about that08:25
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drsatyriok loic; you still cant find google.com in your browser?08:26
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carwash^how can i change what soundcard alsa outputs audio to by default?08:27
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drsatyrifrom what im seeing kmix would be a good place to start08:29
BluesKajhmmm is there a cli app that records wav files to cd other than "cdrecord" ?... it's old and doesn't regognize my cd drive08:30
carwash^I googled some more, the answer was setting up .asoundrc correctly08:31
drsatyriah08:31
BluesKajcarwash^, sudo asoundconf list08:32
BluesKajcarwash^, then : sudo asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"08:32
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anto_Can somone help me install my nvidia drivers please08:33
anto_!nvidia08:33
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto08:33
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carwash^BluesKaj: thanks :)08:33
BluesKajcarwash^, thank me if it works for you :)08:34
ubuntugia5408:34
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loicre08:35
loici was eating ;)08:35
drsatyrilol sry08:35
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drsatyriok so but you still cant connect to the googles08:35
loicno08:35
loicbut08:35
loici see the favicon googlz08:35
loicgoogle08:35
loicyou know ?08:36
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loicmust i download firefox ?08:36
drsatyrinope08:36
drsatyriyeah i know what you mean08:37
loicyes ?08:37
drsatyritry pinging google.com08:37
loicoic@loic-desktop:~$ ping google.com08:37
loicPING google.com (72.14.207.99) 56(84) bytes of data.08:37
loic64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=243 time=161 ms08:37
loic64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99): icmp_seq=2 ttl=243 time=138 ms08:37
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drsatyriso its not dns08:38
loic:/08:38
drsatyribut when you open a browser it doesnt show08:38
loicHey !!!!!08:38
anto_Can somone help me install my nvidia drivers ??08:38
loicIt's OK !!!!08:38
drsatyriawesome08:38
loicFirefox work !08:38
drsatyrihaha thats cool08:38
drsatyriwhat were you browsing with before?08:38
loicI don't know why konqueror doesn't fuction...08:38
drsatyrioh08:38
drsatyriwell theres that08:38
drsatyriyeah thats weird08:38
loicwhat ?08:39
rolerozcan i make kubuntu to show on a dual monitor layout desktop 1 on screen 1 and desktop 2 on screen 208:39
drsatyrithat konqueror doesnt work but firefox does08:39
roleroz?08:39
loicyeah08:39
Squidyloic: did you see if a proxy is configured in konqueror?08:39
loicAh ah i'm so happy, it's my first time on Linux :)08:39
Dr_willisdesktop 1 and 2? hmm.. wellwith my 2 monitors - i have one 'wide' desktop - thats spaning both monitors.08:39
loici can see in the configuration :08:39
loicconnec to the internet directly08:40
loicconnect*08:40
rolerozDr_willis: did that, but want to run programs on fullscreen mode on one of the monitors, and to have two diferent resolution monitors08:40
Squidyyeah.. it's weird..08:40
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Dr_willisHmm.. I can set apps to be fullscreen. and they fullscreen to whatever monitor they are on.08:41
Dr_willisand i have different res's on both my lcd's08:41
Dr_willisand the tv. :)08:41
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Dr_willisof course when switching desktops - that can confuse things a bit.08:41
loicThank you very much drsatyri08:41
drsatyriyeah anytime :)08:42
drsatyristill confuddling though08:42
rolerozDr_willis: that sounds good, is there any howto do this?08:42
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Dr_willisroleroz,  i never needed a howto. it just did it :)08:42
Dr_willisUsing the nvidia drivers/card/ and twinview08:42
drsatyrinvidia is pretty cool with open source even if theyll never BE open source :P08:43
Dr_willisI keep MythTV fullscreened on  monitor #2 (the tv) and a my normal desktop on #108:43
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Dr_willisa few apps are brain dead and dont do it properly.08:43
ardchoilleDr_willis: sounds like a nice setup08:43
rolerozDr_willis: will check that, thanks08:43
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drsatyrimythtv thats the one that works with xbmc isnt it08:44
Dr_willis!mythtv08:44
ubotuMythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV08:44
Dr_willisno idea what xbmc is :)08:44
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drsatyrioh sry xbox media center08:44
drsatyrihomebrew original xbox software08:44
Dr_willisnever t5ried it. I got 2 xbox's  - but they are in the closet. :008:44
Dr_willisI got spare pc's for my MythTV clients.08:44
drsatyriaw thats a shame you can do it with a thumbdrive and a copy of splinter cell :P08:45
drsatyriyou could even put ubuntu on them :)08:45
SquidyDr_willis: i've got that configurations too... i use a lcd (1440x900) on screen #1 and TV (800x600) on screen #2.. my girlfriend watches a filme on the tv while i work in computer at the same time.. awesome.. :D08:45
Dr_williswhy bother. :) i got spare pc's that i can do that with.08:45
drsatyriwell those xboxs are practically spare pcs08:45
drsatyri:P08:45
Dr_willisgeexbox + pc = upnp client.08:45
Dr_willisbroken laptop = portable media player08:45
drsatyrilol yep08:45
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Dr_willisI set up GeeXbox first on my laptop. theninstalled ubuntu, so i got geexbox and ubuntu both on it. I can fast-boot to geexbox to watch videos.08:46
Dr_willisor boot to ubuntu to do work08:46
drsatyrido you capture mpeg on any of your systems?08:46
Dr_willisthe mythtv box has a pvr150 hauppage08:47
drsatyri:o08:47
Dr_willisnot sure what its capturing. :)08:48
drsatyrithose are nice though08:48
rolerozDr_willis: is there anything like twinview for ATI cards?08:48
Dr_willisi gotta watch the shows im recording.08:48
drsatyrithats what they suggest on the mythtv site i believe08:48
Dr_willisroleroz,  ati has their own 'thang' i forget what its called.08:48
YammehCan you not type simple arithmetic into the konsole and get answers?08:48
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Dr_willisYammeh,  huh? try alt-space :) katapult has that feature08:48
Dr_willistheres command line calculators also.08:49
Dr_willis!info bc08:49
ubotubc: The GNU bc arbitrary precision calculator language. In component main, is optional. Version 1.06-20ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 65 kB, installed size 188 kB08:49
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MinatakuHeya, Dr_willis :D08:49
drsatyrithats crazy i never used katapult08:49
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MinatakuCan't wait to add some GOOD 68k machines to my collection (Amigas instead of Macs) XD08:50
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MinatakuI just very recently added PPC, PA-RISC and Alpha :D08:50
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Dr_willisMinataku,  heh.. well as of Today.. daimlerchrysler is on Strike.08:50
Dr_willisi got 2 packed and almost ready to ship. gotta fit in some more bits.08:51
drsatyri:o08:51
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Dr_willisMinataku,  you want referance books also?08:51
MinatakuNah, too heavy08:51
MinatakuPlus all that is on the net anyway08:51
xeviousso I idle in here overnight and someone's trying to hack me.08:51
drsatyri:(08:51
drsatyrihe did it.08:52
xevious59.165.237.40, 124.138.171.132, 61.146.178.1508:52
drsatyriwhatd they try to do?08:52
xeviouslog in by ssh08:52
drsatyriand how (un)successful were they08:53
Caseyhide your ip then08:53
xevioususing users: staff, sales, recruit, alias, unknown08:53
xeviousCasey: how?08:53
MinatakuHaha08:53
xeviousalso admin08:53
Dr_willisthere are tools that can detect such attempts and block based on ip automaticially08:53
Casey#freenode ask a staff member for a cloak08:53
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drsatyri:o08:54
CaseyCasey is i=Casey@unaffiliated/casey * Casey08:54
Minataku"staff" is a Unix _group_08:54
xeviousCasey: thanks08:54
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MinatakuIt's the Unix equivalent of Linux's "users"08:54
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Dr_willisinstall a honeypot :)08:55
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BluesKajMinataku, is there any other cli app besides cdrecord that will record audio?08:55
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MinatakuYeah, offer up some malware and call it "HOT XXX AND SOFTWARE CRACKS PLUS MUCH MUCH MORE.EXE"08:55
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MinatakuIt's guaranteed to get grabbed08:56
Minatakulol08:56
drsatyriyou forgot warez08:56
MinatakuThen make it display goatse when it's run08:56
MinatakuAnd play a very loud, annoying sound08:56
MinatakuBonus if it locks up the computer08:56
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drsatyrisomething by metallica08:56
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drsatyrithats ALWAYS annoying08:56
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MinatakuWhat can they do? They logged in illegally and took the file without permission.08:56
drsatyrilegally you could kill them08:57
MinatakuI say at that point, you're within the law to embarass the crap out of them08:57
drsatyrii mean illegally08:57
Minataku>:P08:57
MinatakuNah, you don't want to damage anything in return08:57
MinatakuSince you'd probably still get in trouble for that08:57
drsatyripeople should go to jail for goatse.08:57
MinatakuBut a harmless prank isn't gonna damage anything08:57
MinatakuSee, that's why you use it in situations like this08:58
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MinatakuThough I'm sure most people like that are immune08:58
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MinatakuI'm joking of course, though a honeypot set up to waste their time is fine08:58
MinatakuAny of that other stuff I don't actually recommend or condone08:58
drsatyrianyone see that cover of time magazine about the WTC that looked like goatse?08:58
cloakableo.o08:58
MinatakuImagine, a honeypot set up to resemble a 6th Edition Unix machine08:59
Minatakulol08:59
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BluesKajis there any other cli app besides cdrecord that will record audio...cdrecord seems old and clunky for my cdrom08:59
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Minatakucdrecord _should_ have been long abandoned09:00
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BluesKajtovid rocks for video/dvd ..wondering if there's an audio equivalent09:01
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BluesKaj<-- bit of an audio purist , I avoid compressed audio as much as possible lossless like flac etc and wav are my favs09:02
MinatakuBah09:03
xeviousBluesKaj: i have my whole CD collection in flac. it's over 600 gigs09:03
xeviousand yes, i actually own them all09:03
Minataku"audiophile" is typically synonymous with "loser"09:03
BluesKajcool xevious09:03
Dr_willis"drinkophile" = alcoholic. :)09:04
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MinatakuPeople who've convinced themselves that they need $500 headphones when $20 ones are just as good09:04
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xeviousi have 500 dollar headphones09:04
xevious:D09:04
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MinatakuNoise cancelling headphones? Just turn up the volume.09:04
xeviousi also have 25,000 of recording equipment09:04
jpatrickxevious: boy, did you get ripped off09:05
MinatakuI just saved you $30009:05
Minatakulol09:05
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xeviousMinataku: uh, the idea is you dont have to turn up the volume to enjoy it, thus saving your ears09:05
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xeviouswhile i understand the idiocy of most audiophiles, i also like to have functioning ears09:05
MinatakuMusic is meant to be played fairly loud09:05
xeviousi like it around 83db09:05
MinatakuEven at safe volumes, external noise is typically a non-issue09:06
xeviouswhich is the point that our ears are actually the most sensitive09:06
MinatakuUnless it's REALLY loud09:06
Tm_T!offtopic09:06
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!09:06
xeviousbeyond 85db, our ears naturally attenuate sounds09:06
xevioussorry09:06
MinatakuNobody is asking for help09:06
MinatakuExcept BluesKaj, whom we were talking to09:06
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Minatakublizzzek: You didn't mind, right?09:07
MinatakuEr09:07
MinatakuBluesKaj:09:07
MinatakuAnyway, what did I use09:07
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blizzzekMinataku: ;)09:07
MinatakuI think I used cdda2mp309:08
MinatakuThere's also 2ogg and 2wav09:08
BluesKajwell, guys I've been in the audio business and mp3 doesn't cut it for me , if you want to be critical of that then fine ...live with your flangy crappy sounding "tunes" ...it's just disposable product to most ppl these days anyway .. I have a very ordinairy consumer sound system that still sounds quite good and mp3 stuff sounds like crap on , but to each his own.09:08
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BluesKaj2wav sounds promising09:09
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MinatakuI like chipmusic09:09
MinatakuJust run code on a synth chip09:09
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MinatakuThat's good enough for me :D09:09
MinatakuSometimes better :D09:09
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MinatakuMmmm... ESS Reorder tone... I don't know why I like that so much09:10
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anto_Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".09:15
anto_Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual09:15
anto_Sorry about the spamm but could somone explain how to fix that_09:15
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Minataku!glx09:16
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about glx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi09:16
MinatakuHm09:16
Minataku!opengl09:16
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi09:16
Minataku>:|09:16
Minataku!aiglx09:16
ubotuAIGLX is a project that aims to enable GL-accelerated effects on a standard desktop. Supported cards: Nvidia: GeForce3 or newer; ATI: Radeon 7000 through X800; Intel: i810 or newer. Howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLX. For older Nvidia or newer ATI cards see !xgl09:16
anto_i have already tried09:16
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adz21canto_: what you tried to fix it up to now?09:18
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kaminixI just got my hands on some audiofiles in the Shorten (.shn) file format, how would I convert these to flac? Metadata is not neccesery.09:22
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esperegusaluton09:25
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espereguhow can I prevent that the interface loses it's settings when unplugging the networkcable??09:25
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antoGeezuz can somone help me fix my glx problem?09:25
esperegu(I want it to use the static IP I set instead of using dhcp when I replug the cable)09:26
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frederic_salut09:31
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antoCan somone explain why Glx is not loading at startup here is my xorg log http://pastebin.com/m6a7aaab09:33
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adz21canto: what have you done to try to fix it up to now?09:33
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adz21canto: can you pastebin your xorg.conf09:35
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antoadz21c: i alread did http://pastebin.com/m6a7aaab09:37
adz21cthats log, not the config file09:37
antoadz21c: ohh i read wrong sorry gimmie 2 seconds09:38
adz21cnp :-)09:38
antoadz21c: http://pastebin.com/m6f2cd0a009:38
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adz21ci am assuming you have installed the propriatory nvidia drivers09:39
adz21c?09:39
antoyes09:39
antoXlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".09:39
antoError: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual09:39
adz21cusing debs or manally?09:39
antowhen i try and run glxinfo/glxgears09:39
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antodebs09:39
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adz21cok, which one u install? legacy, normal?09:40
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antoadz21c: nvidia-glx-new09:40
adz21cok 1 moment09:40
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New2Linux_ZeroByGreetings. New linux user here. Could use some help installing.09:40
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adz21canto check if this file exists /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so09:41
adz21cNew2Linux_ZeroBy: just pose your question and someone will answer if they can :-)09:41
New2Linux_ZeroByOk. :)09:41
xevioussweet. totally cloaked now09:41
antoadz21c:09:41
antoanto@anto-desktop:~$ locate libglx.so09:41
anto/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so09:41
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adz21cok, in your xorg.conf, where it says load glx change it to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so09:42
New2Linux_ZeroByI want to install to an external usb hard drive. Installer recognizes it and lets me choose it. However, when it starts to install it says the drive is in use and needs to be unmounted. How do I unmount the drive?09:43
antoadz21c: be right back going to restard kdm09:43
adz21canto: Load "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so" :-) that should hopefully do the trick09:43
adz21cok09:43
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antoadz21c: same problem09:43
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adz21chmmm ok09:45
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adz21cNew2Linux_ZeroBy: is there an icon for it on your desktop? try right clicking it if so and i think theres an unmount option09:46
antoadz21c: Be right back going to try somthing09:47
adz21canto: oik09:47
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antoadz21c:  didn't work :(09:47
adz21csame error still?09:47
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antoYeah its realy annoying because i can't play my favorit games :(09:48
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adz21cok one moment :-)09:48
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adz21ccan u put the log from since the change to ur config in pastebin please09:50
antoOki09:50
poison--is there any emulator like daemon tools for kubuntu?09:50
antoadz21c: http://pastebin.com/m64448202 brb09:50
adz21cpoison--: mount /somewhere.iso /somewhere/tomount -o loop look on google for something like that09:50
poison--nice09:51
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adz21canto: well it seems glx is loading correctly atleast now. does gears atleast start?09:52
antoadz21c: any new suggestions?09:52
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antoa09:53
antonto@anto-desktop:~$ glxgears09:53
antoXlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".09:53
antoError: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual09:53
antobe back in 2 minutes09:53
nosrednaekimanto: do you have an ATI?09:53
antodon't leave because i realy need your help09:53
adz21cno he is nvidia09:53
nosrednaekimoh09:53
antonosrednaekim: Nvidia09:53
antogot any suggestions?09:53
adz21caccording to the xorg log now glx is loading correctly09:53
antoadz21c: ill restart my computer instead of just X and hope for the best09:54
antobe back in 2 minutes09:54
adz21cok09:54
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adz21cactually no its not, theres a version mismatch09:54
adz21coh too late09:54
adz21chaha09:54
xeviousyeah that's a nvidia driver problem09:55
xeviousi had the same thing happen on my first attempt at getting nvidia glx working09:56
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adz21cyea, i had similar but i was installing manually09:57
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adz21ci assumed the debs would be sorted09:57
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nosrednaekim0.o09:57
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antoadz21c: Somthing weird happend and now i'm on NV drivers going to post the xorg log give me two seconds10:00
adz21cok10:00
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Shadow_milwhoa! huge kubuntu update?10:02
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antoadz21c: http://pastebin.com/m7534d08310:03
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xeviousShadow_mil: the kde update?10:03
Shadow_milja10:03
adz21canto: anything else of xorg.conf changed? only that line i said?10:04
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antoill paste it10:05
adz21cok10:05
antoadz21c: http://pastebin.com/m275f450510:05
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andersincan someone with enough karma please close https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/118254, thanks10:07
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adz21cwhat happens if u put sudo modprobe nvidia?10:07
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antoNot loading nvidia_new module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf10:07
antoo.o10:08
antosomthing tells me that ain't right10:08
anto:>10:08
adz21cwheres it say that?10:08
antoSorry for spamm but here10:08
antoanto@anto-desktop:~$ sudo modprobe nvidia10:08
antoPassword:10:08
antoNot loading nvidia_new module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf10:08
adz21chmm10:08
andersinanto: is your driver nvidia?10:09
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andersinthe nvidia load script will only load the kernel module, if you use it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf10:09
antoandersin: Yes it is10:09
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antoandersin: How do i tell xorg to load it then ?10:10
adz21cyou change nv to nvidia10:10
andersinin your Section "Device"10:10
andersinit needs to say Driver "nvidia"10:10
tyrI'm having a slight problem. Perhaps someone would be kind enough to help me. I'm running Kubuntu 7.10 fully updated, however whenever I login, KDE restarts. It should be noted that compiz is installed but not running, and compiz did work prior. In addition it appears like a script tries to run and then KDE blows up10:10
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antoandersin if do that the i wont be able to use this channel because of some stupid error when startup please view the xorg.log10:11
antoandersin: http://pastebin.com/m6444820210:11
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xeviousandersin: my mute button gives OSD10:11
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tyrI created a new account as per someones recommendation from linuxquestions but I get an error when I login to that one. It's unable to load kstartupmanager and stops10:12
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andersinxevious: I reported it and it is fine now, but I cannot close it10:13
xeviousandersin: ah. i see10:13
andersinanto: I cannot find an error in there10:13
adz21canto: stop X, change xorg.conf, then try modprobe and see what it says, then come back here and tell me and see if that provides more useful info10:13
antoOkidoki10:13
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KDEfanboyhow do i tell if kubuntu system is running 32-bit or 64-bit?10:13
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nosrednaekimKDEfanboy: "uname -a"10:14
adz21cKDEfanboy: uname -a10:14
andersinxevious: I need to learn launchpad, found the way to close it now, I think10:14
KDEfanboyok what do i look for? im on gutsy10:15
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adz21cx86_64 means 64bit10:15
tyrany ideas anyone? I don't want to be a bother, I just unfortunately have to leave pretty soon10:15
antoadz21c: Fatal error: WHILE running nvidia install somthing10:15
KDEfanboyok i'm 386 so need to upgrade to x86_64.. how to do that?10:16
andersinanto: try to insmod it10:16
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nosrednaekimKDEfanboy: you have to reload10:16
adz21cKDEfanboy: not sure if u can upgrade10:16
nosrednaekimKDEfanboy: and its really not necessary10:16
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antoandersin: Explain10:16
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makuseruhi, im having a problem with amarok, evertime it gets to the end of my playlist it crashes, anyone know what this problem is and how to fix it?10:16
KDEfanboynosrednaekim: you mean reinstall the entire system right? i dont remember getting a choice when i installed kubuntu10:16
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nosrednaekimKDEfanboy: you have to get a separate install CD.10:17
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antoandersin: when i try and do insmod i get "insmod: can't read 'nvidia': No such file or directory"10:17
xeviousi believe insmod takes a full file name10:18
KDEfanboyok for future reference.. which is it? i think i remember using the dvd.. but im not sure10:18
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zooieanyone know a trick to keep my sound card set as default, kubuntu seems to read the internel speaker as default, I want only my sound card to be on, any clues appreciated!!10:18
andersinanto: wait a moment, I need to find the correct path10:18
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xeviousKDEfanboy: why do you need 64? there's not a major performance increase and it actually makes some things harder to set up. aka: flash is only available in 32bit10:19
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KDEfanboythink it was x86 dvd.. there is pc intel x86, mac powerpc, and 64-bit amd64... though i have intel c2d10:19
KDEfanboyxevious: no i just want to know.. it's always confused me when eventually everything works in 64-bit what i would need ..10:20
antoandersin: you will be my hero if you fix this10:20
KDEfanboyalso since i upgraded to gutsy, only one processor is recognized now.. others apparently had the same problems in the forums.. i need to get that fixed too10:21
andersinanto: does /lib/modules/`uname -r`/volatile contain nvidia.ko?10:21
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andersinzooie: you need to edit /etc/asound.conf10:21
andersinzooie: can you post /proc/asound/cards somewhere?10:22
zooiedo i do that as root user?10:22
andersinyou can10:22
antoandersin: it dose not even contain the folder volatile10:22
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andersinotherwise you can edit .asoundrc10:22
andersinaha10:22
andersinanto: lets try to get it to work the easy way first10:23
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zooiek ill try it thx much10:23
andersincheck the alsa faq10:23
KDEfanboyis there even a 64-bit version kubuntu for intel cpus? only thing i see o nthe 7.10 download page is for AMD10:23
andersinzooie:http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ10:23
adz21cKDEfanboy: amd64 one works10:23
antoandersin: sounds like a good idea to me10:23
nosrednaekimKDEfanboy: Intel uses the AMD instruction set... it works fine10:24
KDEfanboyahhh i see10:24
andersinanto:when you changed the xorg.conf and restarted X, it did not work, right?10:24
waylandbillit would probably be clearer saying it's x86_64.10:24
nosrednaekimyeah10:24
andersinanto:lets see if we can figure out why10:24
xeviousi generally don't use beta operating systems10:24
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antoandersin: when i changed device to nvidia from nv it didn't work10:24
andersinanto:unfortunately I am not sure why not10:24
andersinthe log you posted seemed to work fine10:25
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antothats an old log let me post a new one after i try and load and it didn't work10:25
antobe back in a second10:25
andersinwait10:25
andersinyou need to copy the log file10:25
andersinotherwise X will overwrite it with the one that works10:26
andersinit does not append!10:26
andersinzooie: do you have a usb card?10:26
ScorpKing"IOError: [Errno 28]  No space left on device." how can i link my /tmp dir to /home/me/tmp ? sudo ln -s /tmp tmp/ wont work.10:26
andersinzooie: or is it built in?10:26
andersinScorpKing: you need to remove /tmp first10:27
andersinor you can mount a tempfs on top of it10:27
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adi_hi all10:27
adi_can anybody help....?10:28
ScorpKingandersin: how do i mount tempfs over it? i don't understand.10:28
andersinScorpKing: dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/me/temp.img count=100 bs=1M10:28
antoandersin: http://pastebin.com/m1812175510:28
adi_I cant start adept or add/remove programs10:28
andersinmkfs.ext2 /home/me/temp.img10:28
ScorpKingandersin: ah i see. got it. thanks10:28
andersinsudo mount /home/me/temp.img /tmp -o loop10:29
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ScorpKingty10:29
adi_any command to start adept from shell??10:29
antoandersin: the problem is just at the end when its trying to load kernel and fails10:29
antoadi_: adept_manager10:29
KDEfanboyanyone know what happened to the smp kernel in gutsy?10:29
clouderleet console skills by andersin :O  /me jealous10:29
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adi_yes10:30
adi_adept menager10:30
andersinanto: it does not load the kernel module!10:30
adi_cant start normal way10:30
andersinanto: X loads the X11 nvidia driver10:30
antoandersin: to be honest that dose not mean much to many 15 year old kids so explain what the problem is.10:30
andersinanto: I will try to type faster :-)10:31
antoandersin: i doubt its ment to do that so how do i fix it ??10:31
andersinwhat you need to do:10:31
adi_thanks anto.10:31
antoadi_: No problem :)10:31
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andersin1) edit xorg.conf to include nvidia in the drivers section, just like before10:31
andersin2) sudo modprobe nvidia10:31
andersinand tell me if that now works10:32
antoandersin: modprobe nvidia dose not work, its Says Fatal error: nvidia installing command10:32
andersinanto: you have linux-restricted-modules installed, right?10:33
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andersinI think it is called linux-restricted-modules-generic10:33
antoandersin: yes its called so and no it was not installed ?10:34
andersinyou need that10:34
antoinstalling it now10:34
ardchoilleapt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`10:34
antoardchoille: apt-get install linux-restrited-modules-generc works just as good10:34
antoandersin: should i try and restart with nvidia as device?10:34
andersinit should pull that as a dependency10:34
andersinno, lets first load the kernel module10:35
andersintry sudo modprobe nvidia10:35
ardchoilleanto: "install" installs it "policy" looks to see if it's installed.10:35
antoardchoille: Ahh ok sorry didn't know10:35
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antoNot loading nvidia_new module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf10:35
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andersincould you post you xorg.conf10:36
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antoandersin i just changed the device to nvidia without restarting X and now modprobe worked what should i do know?10:37
adz21cthats a good sign10:37
andersinok10:37
andersingood10:37
andersinnow try to restart X10:38
antoandersin: http://pastebin.com/m132ecea6 is the current conf just after i changed the nvidia device10:38
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antoandersin: what do you suggest i do know then?10:39
andersinrestart X10:39
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antoOkidoki10:39
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xevioushave we checked dmesg to make sure he's using teh correct nvidia driver?10:40
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andersinthat appears in the X log10:40
andersinit complains about api mismatch10:41
xeviousk10:41
andersinbut that only appears if you restart X after having updated nvidia-glx to a new version10:41
andersinso it is pretty rare10:41
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xeviousi just glanced back at my screen and saw the nvidia issue was still at hand, so i thought i'd put in my two cents10:41
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xeviousbbiab - cigarette10:42
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unholyskornCan someone help me? I installed Kubuntu 10 on a partition on my hd that has windows xp now windows xp doesnt show up in the grub boot loader...10:42
gnomefreakandersin: its due to having installed drivers outside of ubuntu10:42
andersinxevious: nvidia kernel was not installed while the X11 module was10:42
andersingnomefreak: true10:43
gnomefreakandersin: caused by the restricted-modules that it built still being there10:43
andersingnomefreak: forgot about that10:43
andersinunholyskorn: can you post /boot/grub/menu.list in pastebin, please10:43
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unholyskornhttp://pastebin.com/m5d914bf910:45
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antoandersin huge error ill post pastebin 2 sec10:46
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andersinunholyskorn: you see the example at line 3910:46
andersinunholyskorn: try to add that at the end10:46
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etienneSalut ;)10:46
antoandersin:http://pastebin.com/m2c9f95c610:47
paolo_hi, is it true that build-essential pkgs are not part of kubuntu 7 while they were present in the previous version?10:47
andersinunholyskorn: which partition is windows on?10:47
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unholyskornthe first one10:47
unholyskorni have Windows | Linux10:47
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olimpicoPlease help me, I can't configure my microphone correctly10:49
antoandersin: any idea?10:49
olimpicoI can hear myself when using it, but I can't record anything10:49
andersinanto: is the GPU recent?10:49
olimpicoI selected record on kmix, but still I can't record anything10:49
antoGPu??10:50
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unholyskornandersin what do i do?10:50
olimpicoThe weirdest thing is that I can hear when I get the MUTE off on the kmix10:50
adz21canto what graphics card you got10:50
olimpicoPlease, could someone help me?10:50
antoadz21c: Geforce6600 series10:50
andersinanto: is the card recent10:51
andersinanto: or is it older10:51
antoits notthat old10:51
andersinok10:51
antoil ask my father 2seconds10:51
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fawxhello how do i know whut graphic and sound drivers i need?10:52
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frojndhow can I install knetowork manager ?? here shows a list of packages that relates knetworkmanager http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=knetworkmanager&version=edgy&arch=i386&page=1&number=5010:53
Dr_willisfawx,  install/run the 'restricted-manager' tool is one wqay10:53
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fawxtype that in the quick filter10:53
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[Relic] is there a new version this month?10:54
andersinanto: please post ls -lFa /usr/lib/libGL.so.110:54
andersin[Relic] : yes10:54
Dr_willisgutsy is due out in a fewq days10:54
unholyskornWhy can I not sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.list ??????????????/10:54
Dr_willisunholyskorn,  perhaps relay some error message?10:54
andersinunholyskorn: ksudo kate /boot/grub/menu.list10:54
adz21cunholyskorn: kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst10:54
andersinor do xhost + first10:54
Dr_willisits .lst10:54
[Relic] .lst10:54
Dr_willisfor one :)10:54
geniiI wouldn't say a week and a day is a few days10:55
Dr_willisthis is when 'tab completion' comes in handy10:55
antoanto@anto-desktop:~$ ls -lFa /usr/lib/libGL.so.110:55
antolrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-10-10 22:40 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.100.14.19*10:55
unholyskorn# menu.lst - See: grub(8), info grub, update-grub(8)10:55
unholyskorn#            grub-install(8), grub-floppy(8),10:55
unholyskorn#            grub-md5-crypt, /usr/share/doc/grub10:55
unholyskorn#            and /usr/share/doc/grub-doc/.10:55
unholyskorn## default num10:55
[Relic] just trying to figure out when I need to clean out my drive and make my list o installed thingies to reinstall after a clean install  :)10:55
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adz21canto: are you trying to use the deb or manual install?10:55
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unholyskornwow why did it do that10:56
antoadz21c: to be honest i'm not to sure10:56
xeviousanto: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html10:56
adz21canto: well it seems both10:56
Dr_willisi would guess you select4ed/middleclicked10:56
xeviousthat'll tell you which version you need10:56
unholyskornhttp://pastebin.com/m5a47687d10:56
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unholyskornplease tell me why i cant sudo kate or ANYTHING10:56
Dr_willisi would guess you select4ed/middleclicked10:56
Dr_willisunholyskorn,  try  kate testfile10:56
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Sanne[Relic] : here are two commands that tell you your installed packages: "dpkg -l" and "dpkg --get-selections"10:57
antoadz21c: somehow that dosen't seam like a very good idea witch one do you suggest i use and how do i clean up the otherone then??10:57
bw__test10:57
adz21canto: well i would say if u stick to just the deb you should be fine, i doubt the very latest drivers make much different to the 6000 series10:57
andersinanto: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx10:57
[Relic] Sanne, sure I have a 3x5 with some sort of command to flush it into a file  so I can make a quick shell install of it  :)10:58
andersinanto: it seems that you downloaded the driver from the nvidia website10:58
antoandersin: i don't have nvidia-glx installed but nvidia-glx-new do you suggestthat i download nvidia-glx?10:58
andersinanto: are you on feisty or gutsy?10:59
antoFeisty10:59
Sanne[Relic] : 3x5?10:59
[Relic] Sanne, small standard note card 3"x5"  :)10:59
Sanne[Relic] : ah! :)10:59
andersinanto: I have a nvidia card and I use nvidia-glx10:59
antoOk10:59
andersinlets give that a try first11:00
[Relic] Sanne, much better than huge piles o paper  :)11:00
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Sanne[Relic] : yes, that's correct :)11:00
[Relic] Envy still up to date for installing nvidia drivers?11:00
fawxi installed nvidia glx and enabled it then i tried to log back in nd it wouldn't and the screen went black after it started up11:00
Dr_willisi would have to say.. avoid envy. :)11:00
[Relic] never had a problem with it since I have a really old nvidia card  :)11:00
andersinanto: did you ever download from nvidia, or did you only use the ubuntu package manager11:00
Dr_willistheres also i belive 3 different nvidia packages.. dependong on how old your card is.11:01
[Relic] GF2 mx440  :)11:01
Dr_willis!find legacy11:01
ubotuFound: kmilo-legacy, legacyhuman-theme, xkb-data-legacy, nvidia-glx-legacy, nvidia-glx-legacy-dev (and 1 others)11:01
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fawxthen last night i had to re format my  drive11:01
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Dr_willisnvidia-glx-legacy  - for the older cards11:01
antoandersin: i did download from nvidiia11:01
andersinanto: did you install that one?11:01
antowell that is what i did from the start but then it said somthing about nvidia-glx so installed11:01
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andersinok11:02
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Dr_willisfor a gf2 - i would think the Nvidia-glx-legacy is the proper package to install.11:02
ScorpKinguga: pm?11:02
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TrueFXhi guys11:03
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TrueFXhow can i list printer in my system ?11:03
TrueFXfrom commadn line ?11:03
antoandersin   what do you suggest i do know?11:03
ScorpKingTrueFX: with cups11:04
andersinanto: install nvidia-glx11:04
Dr_williscups.org has some good docs  on using the command line tools.11:04
antoanderin:i already done that11:04
andersinok11:05
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andersinanto: ls -lFa /usr/lib/libGL.so.111:05
antoandersin:lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-10-10 23:00 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.100.14.19*11:05
adz21ci think u need to clean out the manual install first11:06
andersinanto: ok, that is still the new version11:06
andersinanto: ls -lFa /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.9*11:06
antoandersin; -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 768096 2007-06-25 23:31 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.963111:07
TrueFXscorpking: is there not any other way to do it ?11:07
andersinanto: strings /lib/modules/`uname -r`/volatile/nvidia.ko |grep "nvidia id"11:07
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ScorpKingTrueFX: i don't think so.11:07
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antoanto@anto-desktop:~$ strings /lib/modules/`uname -r`/volatile/nvidia.ko | grep "nvidia id"11:09
antostrings: '/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/volatile/nvidia.ko': No such file11:09
andersinreally?11:09
antoYes11:09
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andersinthe nvidia module is loaded right11:10
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adz21ci don't think the debs store it in volatile11:10
feierfoxwill there be KDE 3.5.8 in the final gutsy?11:10
antoandersin what do you suggest that i do?11:11
andersinanto: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name nvidia.ko11:11
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antoandersin: /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko11:11
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andersinanto: strings /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko | grep "nvidia id"11:12
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antoandersin:nvidia id: NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module  100.14.19  Wed Sep 12 14:08:38 PDT 200711:12
andersinok, so that is the new kernel module that you got from the nvidia installer11:12
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andersinanto: is nvidia-glx-new still installed11:14
andersinanto: and do apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`11:14
andersinanto: and see if the restricted modules are really installed11:15
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ScorpKingfeierfox: i think it will be 3.5.7.11:17
antoSorry about sapmmbu11:17
antolinux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic:11:17
anto  Installed: 2.6.20.5-16.2911:17
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anto  Candidate: 2.6.20.5-16.2911:17
anto  Version table:11:17
anto *** 2.6.20.5-16.29 011:17
anto        500 http://se.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates/restricted Packages11:17
anto        500 http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/restricted Packages11:17
anto        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status11:17
feierfoxooooh :/ :(((11:17
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andersinanto: ok, the same for nvidia-glx, please11:18
antoCandidate: 1:1.0.9631+2.6.20.5-16.2911:18
anto  Version table:11:18
anto *** 1:1.0.9631+2.6.20.5-16.29 011:18
anto        500 http://se.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates/restricted Packages11:18
anto        500 http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/restricted Packages11:18
anto        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status11:18
anto     1:1.0.9631+2.6.20.5-15.20 011:18
anto        500 http://se.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/restricted Packages11:18
antoAndersin iwas thinking of reinstalling my computer tomorrow maybe you could help me from the start ?11:19
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andersinanto: where is the fun in that :-)11:19
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antotrue :P11:20
andersinanto: is there an uninstaller for the driver from nvidia11:20
antono11:20
waltercoolkubuntu 7.10 comes with kde3.5.7 and 4.0?11:20
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adz21ci think u can pass a paramater to the installer, but not sure11:20
andersinanto: sudo dpkg -P nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-new11:20
andersinanto: rm /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko11:21
ubuntuhi11:21
andersinanto: sudo rm /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko11:21
andersinanto: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx11:21
ubuntui am brazilian11:21
ubuntudo you speak spanish?11:22
ubuntupls] 11:22
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antoubuntu there are spanish helpchannels this one is english11:22
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juliofoi mal11:22
juliomudei11:22
juliosorry11:22
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julioalguem fala portugues?11:23
julioalguem fala brasilereis11:23
juliopor favor11:23
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andersin!pt11:24
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.11:24
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andersinanto: so reinstalled ok?11:25
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antoandersin yeah goingto gotobed i needtobuy a new keyboard to because thisone isjust screwed11:25
andersinanto: try to catch me tomorrow11:26
andersinanto: should you reinstall, keep the xorg.conf around11:26
antoanderssin iwwilltry11:26
andersinyou only need linux-restricted-modules and nvidia-glx11:26
antoOnly deps?11:26
antoOki11:26
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antoand what if i getthe kernelissueagain?11:26
antoi must go nowi gotschooltomorrow11:27
antothanksfor tryingtohelp11:27
juliovaleu brigaduuuu11:27
poison--julio?11:27
juliooi11:28
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poison--rsrsrs11:28
poison--sampa?11:28
julioribeirao preto sp11:28
julioe vc?11:28
poison--sp11:28
julioyesss11:28
poison--:D11:28
julioou foi mal.. blz11:28
poison--try to keep it in english11:28
poison--:D11:28
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julio em portugues mesmo que quero..11:29
poison--!pt11:29
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.11:29
poison--:D11:29
juliocomo fao pra traduzir para portugues o meu Kubuntu11:29
julio?11:29
juliosou novato em linux e nao sei configurar11:30
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poison--julio, read the pm11:30
poison--and u need to register your nick so u can talk with me in private11:30
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poison--l8r guys, bb tomorrow11:32
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waltercool!pt11:35
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.11:35
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Dr_willisAll the Spanish I know i Learned on #kubuntu :)11:42
Dr_willisand dutch, and german, and greek, and...11:42
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fawxDr willis11:49
fawxi have the synaptic pkg manager11:49
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fawxbut do i have to get nvidia or can i get a different one11:50
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Dr_willishmm..11:51
Dr_willis Not sure what you are asking. The 'nvidia-glx' package you need depends on what video card you have exactly11:51
Dr_willisI normally install the 'restricted-manager' tool and 'sudo restricted-manager' and let IT install the packages.11:52
Dr_willis!find nvidia-glx11:52
ubotuFound: nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-dev, nvidia-glx-new, nvidia-glx-new-dev, nvidia-glx-legacy (and 1 others)11:52
Dr_willisthe glx-legacy is for older cards. new - would be for the newer cards (not sure what ones count however)11:52
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fawxhow doi know if i have an old card11:53
fawxif my comp is old?11:53
Dr_williswhat IS your card11:54
Dr_willistheres a list  on the Nvidia web site that  details what cards use what drivers11:55
xevioushttp://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html11:55
fawxi don't really know..11:55
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Dr_willis!nvidia11:55
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto11:55
fawxdo i have to open y comp to see whut it is11:55
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fawxi tied those11:55
xeviousfawx: use lspci11:55
fawxtried811:55
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Dr_willislspci | grep -i nvidia11:55
Dr_willismine is -->  02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS]  (rev a2)11:56
henrik__Hey guys, If I want to start a new X session, with like only one program running in it ( not kdm) , how am I supposed to do?11:56
toti_niente da fare la scheda audio funziona solo quella della motherboard...per stasera mi accontento...grazie mille del supporto11:56
fawxmy comp blacked out last time i used nvidia-glx11:56
xeviouslspci|grep VGA will be more reliable, because teh motherboard could be chock full of nvidia components11:56
fawxoh11:56
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Dr_willishttp://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html shows what cards use what  (legacy/normal/new)11:56
xeviousmine: 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150]  (rev a2)11:56
xeviousi've pasted that link in here like 8 times in the past 2 hours11:57
fawxok...11:57
xeviousi dont think anyone noticed11:57
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xeviousfawx: what is yours?11:57
fawxumm...11:57
mr_marvinif i run "python ~/Desktop/server/stream.py" i get error that file is not found (required by the script), and the file is in same directory?11:57
Dr_willis6150 - use nvidia-glx11:57
xeviousi have it working, Dr_willis11:57
fawxhold on i went to the site but which 1 is mine i can't figure out11:58
YammehDoes konversation not support auto rejoin on kick?11:58
ScorpKingYammeh: yes11:58
xeviousfawx: open Konsole, and type lspci|grep VGA11:58
fawxok the real question is how do i figure out which card do i have11:58
fawx?11:58
ScorpKingit does support it. :)11:58
xeviouswe've told you 17 times11:58
fawxsorry11:59
Dr_willisfawx,  lspci|grep VGA11:59
Yammehwhere's the setting, ScorpKing?11:59
henrik__anyone got a tip for me about starting a new X session with only one program running in it?11:59
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Dr_willishenrik__,   depends on the details as to what you are doing exactly11:59
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fawxrev 03?11:59
Dr_willishenrik__,  making a new 'session entry' in the kdm sessions is rather trivial.11:59
xeviousfawx: what's teh whole line?12:00
ScorpKingYammeh: not sure but it's enabled by default.12:00
fawx00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller]  (rev 03)12:00
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xeviousyou dont have nvidia graphics12:00
Dr_willis:)12:00
fawxlol12:00
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Dr_willisthe old 810.12:00
Dr_willis!81012:00
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about 810 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi12:00
Dr_willis!intel12:00
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi12:00
Dr_willis!find 81012:00
ubotuFound: xserver-xorg-video-i810, i810switch12:00
fawx810?12:00
Dr_willis810 is a rather low end video chipset by intel.12:01
fawxso go to intel nd find the 81012:01
henrik__ok, I want to shut down kdm, and only have one program running, so I optimise the memory-use to that program.12:01
Dr_willisfawx,  are you haveing any specific problems with your video card?12:01
fawxi don't know if there is one or whut type it is12:02
Dr_willishenrik__,  thats even easier.. dont run the kdm or gdm service. make a .xinitrc file for the user. have it launch EXACTLY what you want. and start the X session with 'startx'12:02
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fawxcuz i'm trying to play a game but it says my drivers aren't up to date12:02
henrik__okay, you got a website for me where I lear to write those? :D12:02
Dr_willisfawx,  are you having Video Card problems? is somthing not working? what Game is this?12:02
henrik__learn*12:02
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fawxMaplestory12:02
henrik__dont want to trouble you about that ;)12:02
Dr_willishenrik__,  its a simple script.12:02
Dr_willishenrik__,  example .xinitrc  2 lines... xterm &    exec jwm12:03
henrik__okay, i'm rather new to this, but I'll have a go :)12:03
Dr_willisassuming ya got jwm installed12:03
fawxthe game guard part says my drivers aren't up to date12:03
Dr_willisstartx then reads the .xinitrc and starts up X using it as what to run12:03
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Dr_willis'startkde' would launch the full kde session,  jwm starts the mini jwm window manager.. ect...12:03
ubuntuyahoo.com12:03
Dr_willisUSE & at the end of lines except the last one.12:03
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Dr_willismaplestory - heh - they advertise that like crazy12:04
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xeviousfawx: can you give me a link to that game's web site?12:04
henrik__can i apt-get jwm ?12:04
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ubuntuhow do i set up ubuntu?12:04
fawxyep hold on12:05
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Dr_willishenrik__,  same as you install anything else.. package manager, or sudo apt-get install Whatever12:05
knubbeisnt it possible to alt-tab back and forth between two windows?12:05
Dr_willishenrik__,  theres dozens of window managetrs to chose from.12:05
xeviousknubbe: i just did12:05
henrik__thanks a lot for helping me, I'll give it a shot :D12:05
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Dr_willisjwm is a very light/small one.12:05
henrik__perfect :)12:05
knubbexevious: how does it look like?12:05
ineedhelpwill someone help me write a shell script12:05
Dr_willisicewm is nice also, fluxbox, openbox, blackbox ect are others..12:05
ineedhelpstep by step12:05
ineedhelpim really confused and noob to ubuntu12:05
fawxhttp://maplestory.nexon.net/12:06
knubbexevious: when i alt-tab it takes me to the next window immediately12:06
Dr_willisfire up an editor.. line 1 #!/bin/bash12:06
Dr_willislike #2  echo "hello world"12:06
xeviousknubbe: there's a vertically sorted list12:06
Dr_willis:)12:06
Dr_willissave, chmod +x the file. run it.12:06
knubbexevious: and the next time i alt-tab it doesnt take me back, it goes to the next one12:06
ineedhelpi have a specific thing that i need help with12:06
ineedhelpWrite a bash shell script, called phonedir.sh that maintains a phone directory in a file called phonedir.txt in the invoking user's home directory. The script takes two or three arguments, with the first argument being the operation the script is supposed to do (notice this first arg starts with a -).12:06
henrik__*starting Kedit*12:06
henrik__:)12:06
ubuntui know im on the net but how do i download yahoo.com ect.12:06
Dr_willisfawx,  thers a linux client for maple story? or are you using wine?12:07
knubbexevious: is it possible to change this behaviour? its quite annoying12:07
ineedhelpsomeone please?12:07
xeviousfawx: that's a windows game12:07
xeviousknubbe: hold alt, and press tab repeatedly12:07
xeviousknubbe: it should keep the window list as you hold alt12:08
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Dr_willisineedhelp,  the 'advanced bash scripting guide' has examples of all those features.12:08
toti_conoscete un programma kubuntu che mi permetta di vedere i programmi dalla scheda tv?12:08
ineedhelpoh really12:08
ineedhelpwhere is this guide?12:08
Dr_willisgoogle.com, or install it from the repos12:08
Dr_willis!find abs12:08
ubotuFound: abuse-frabs, libclass-dbi-abstractsearch-perl, libclass-dbi-plugin-abstractcount-perl, libdbix-abstract-perl, libemail-abstract-perl (and 3 others)12:08
Dr_willis!abs12:08
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about abs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi12:08
ubuntunever mind i was told this system was better than gates bull shit12:08
Dr_willis!find bash-guide12:08
ubotuPackage/file bash-guide does not exist in feisty12:09
fawxi know12:09
xeviousknubbe: i havent changed the settings, so what i have is the default12:09
knubbexevious: i think compiz screwed up this feature. its really really annoying imo.12:09
Dr_willis!info  abs-guide12:09
ubotuabs-guide: The Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 4.1-1 (feisty), package size 1074 kB, installed size 4332 kB12:09
fawxi don't think there's a linux client i'm using wine12:09
xeviousknubbe: you're running compiz?12:09
ubuntuthanks by12:09
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xeviousknubbe: or were you formerly running it?12:10
knubbexevious: not any more, but its still installed12:10
xevioushuh12:10
xeviousknubbe: well i'm not sure how to change it back, sorry12:10
xeviousknubbe: try #kde12:10
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knubbexevious: ok, no problem. i might have to do a fresh install.12:10
ineedhelpthe guide is confusing12:11
ineedhelpgrrr12:11
xeviousknubbe: i doubt that's necessary.12:11
Dr_williswow - maplestoryinstall.exe is going to take an HOUR to download.. :012:11
Dr_willis240 kb/sec :)12:11
Dr_willis660 mb. gesh12:11
fawxyea12:11
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fawxbut it's a good game12:11
xeviouswine wont run it12:12
Dr_willisno idea on that fawx  i doubt if i find out.. :) i aint waiting an hour.12:12
xeviouswww.winehq.org appdb12:12
xevioushttp://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=835612:12
knubbexevious: my computer is quite screwed up anyway nowadays. ive done quite a lot of experimenting lately.12:12
Dr_willisthank you xevious  :)12:12
knubbexevious: running the gutsy beta now ..12:12
fawxthx anyway12:12
xeviousknubbe: daring. :) i avoid beta OSes12:12
Dr_willisUsing gutsy also. :)12:13
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Dr_willisi avoid beta OSes like windows.. :)12:13
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knubbexevious: well.. only had a major issue once when my wlan stopped working on the 5.10 beta12:14
xeviousfeisty works solid for me12:15
xeviousi like that12:15
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xeviousin fact, it was pretty frustrating that there werent any snags12:15
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xeviouspart of the fun of linux used to be that it took days to get it up and running12:15
xeviousdinner time12:15
xeviousbbiaw12:15
knubbei could probably remove my ~/.kde12:16
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savetheWorld!language12:17
ubotuPlease watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.12:17
localhostAnyone know when exactly the release candidate is going to be up????12:17
mneptokWhen It's Ready12:17
knubbelocalhost: have you checked the release schedule?12:17
mneptok(tm)12:17
localhostyes12:17
localhostof course12:17
localhostso at midnight?/12:17
localhostwhat time zone...??12:17
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mneptokthere is no set time12:18
localhostya' know12:18
localhostoct. 11th right12:18
localhostso some time on that day probably...12:18
ScorpKingDr_willis: if i install abs-guide where do i find the files?12:18
Kachnammm 2.6.23 final is out?12:19
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knubbelocalhost: new kernel in the repo now and lots of other updates, maybe thats the rc.12:20
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Dr_willis- /usr/share/doc is where most docs go.. use the package manager tools to see what files are in a package.12:20
ScorpKingDr_willis: thanks :D12:20
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Dr_willisabs guide is also avail online of course :)12:20
Dr_willisand theres dozens of other bash guides/programing tutorials out12:21
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YammehIs the default ftp package in kubuntu good? Or is it worth grabbing a different one?12:24
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Dr_willistheres no default ftp server installed.12:25
Yarouhi12:25
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Dr_willisThere are several you can chose from If you want a ftp  server.12:25
Yammehclient, not server.. sorry12:25
Yarouwhy is my networking so slow?12:25
Dr_willisMost all the file managers can do ftp connections.12:25
Yaroui get 3 mb/s, but on Kubuntu, i get 16.0 kb/s12:25
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Yaroui'm sorry, 16.7 kb/s12:25
gianluigi_Ciao12:26
nosrednaekimYarou: when do you get these low speeds?12:26
Yarounosrednaekim: all the time12:26
Dr_willis!ftp12:26
ubotuFTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd12:26
Yarouthrough apt, konqueror, you name it12:26
MinatakuDr_willis: Heya12:26
Dr_willis!Kasablanca12:26
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kasablanca - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi12:26
Yarouon Win32, however, it's always 3 mb/s12:26
Dr_willisHay Minataku  - strike is over.12:26
Dr_willisYarou,  its possible that windows is Lieing.12:26
MinatakuDr_willis: I was gonna say, at the very least, get the three A1200s and the one PSU into the box S312:27
Yarouyeah, lying12:27
Dr_willisIve seen windows give wrong #'s quite a bit :)12:27
Minataku*X312:27
Yarouwhich is why i can download a 30 mb file in 3 seconds12:27
Yarouman, they sure had me going12:27
nosrednaekimXD12:27
SheeEttinYarou: and you have it configured the same?12:27
Dr_willisMinataku,  its 2 A500's and a A1200 i think.. Unless im confused..12:27
YarouSheeEttin: yeah12:27
MinatakuWindows will occasionally quote some time around 847832749 minutes to copy a 1MB file12:27
Dr_willisgot 2 in one box. and  the 3rd in a 2nd.. fitting in the ps's now.12:27
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MinatakuSo it's numerical capacity is quite suspect12:28
MinatakuDr_willis: Cool12:28
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Dr_willisand some floppies.. and  i got a CD32 thats quite rare. :) but the PS is missing on it.12:28
MinatakuSend12:28
Dr_willisits a A500+cd drive + expansion bay. and can use normal PC keborard/mice. :)12:28
Minatakuem along anyway12:28
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Minatakulol12:28
MinatakuHeehee12:28
MinatakuYeah, send 'em anyway12:28
SheeEttinMinataku: Windows is suspect? http://www.michaellarabel.com/index.php?k=blog&i=28412:29
MinatakuIn the meantime, I'll try to learn how to use my keyboard properly >.<12:29
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Dr_willisYou can "parnet" them together even. Or use the serial port to a Unix box and use 'dnet' :)12:29
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Dr_willisMinataku,  heh. strike is over.. i  may get a chance to actually get them sent now.12:29
MinatakuSweet :D12:29
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MinatakuThen I can get them situated and add them to the collection :D12:30
Dr_willisThen you can play games on them.12:30
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MinatakuHeehee12:30
MinatakuThat too, of course12:30
Dr_willisFirePower  , 2 amigas + null modem serial cable = a blast12:30
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Dr_willistime for some food here. :) this 'watching the strike news' has wore me out!12:32
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Minatakulol12:32
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contrast83Anyone know of an IRC client that allows for split-views?12:34
Zelutcontrast83: irssi + screen ?12:34
contrast83Zelut: will try that out, thanks12:35
contrast83Zelut: From my understanding, I'd basically be using multiple instances of irssi for what you're suggesting, right?12:36
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Zelutcontrast83: I believe you can just split the screen and be in two channels at once12:37
Airforce55555what a command to kill a program other then killall. i can use killall if you can tell me what firefox is called in killall12:37
Zelutcontrast83: its been a while since I've done it, but its possible..12:37
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SheeEttinAirforce55555: killall firefox-bin12:38
new2ubI have an interesting question and I think it's suppose to be here since the game is called KBlackBox......how do you play it?  I can't get the file to come up that explains it at all.12:38
Airforce55555thanks12:38
MinatakuActually, better is... nevermind12:38
Minatakulol12:38
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MinatakuThat's fine enough12:38
MinatakuI doubt anyone in here will use a Unix where that command takes no arguments and does exactly what it says12:39
Minatakulol12:39
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Minataku(In some Unixes, that will literally send the signals to EVERY process)12:39
SheeEttinnew2ub: KBlackBox appears in my K Menu and the binary is called kblackbox, in my path and probably yours12:40
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DragnslcrJust in case you were curious, you can also use "ps aux | grep firefox" to find the pid, then "kill <pid>" to kill the specific process12:40
MinatakuDragnslcr: Easier way, if you have psmisc, is to do "kill `pidof firefox-bin`"12:41
new2ubSheeEttin, I just want to know how to play the game,....my son is into games and I wanted to show him the many different choices in ubuntu that we didn't have in windoze12:41
MinatakuNote that the character is the `, which is the unshifted ~12:41
MinatakuDr_willis: :312:41
MinatakuEr12:41
MinatakuDragnslcr: :312:41
DragnslcrTrue. I'm sure there's a dozen ways to cram it into a signal line of bash12:41

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