[05:48] <joejaxx> Distros in launchpad are not treated as superprojects?
[05:50] <radix> joejaxx: they're something special, AIUI
[05:50] <joejaxx> for example is there a way to add a project under a distro as you would a superproject?
[05:50] <joejaxx> oh ok
[05:50] <joejaxx> hmm
[05:50] <mpt> joejaxx, there isn't
[05:50] <mpt> What would that even mean? :-)
[05:51] <joejaxx> it is a product/project of the distro :P
[05:51] <joejaxx> so i guess i have to keep them seperate then
[06:13] <mpt> joejaxx, what project are you talking about in particular?
[06:14] <Hobbsee> um, someone's broken the ppa quickstart image page
[06:15] <joejaxx> mpt: fluxbuntu
[06:15] <Hobbsee> jus tstep 2
[06:15] <joejaxx> hello Hobbsee 
[06:15] <Hobbsee> hi joejaxx!
[06:16] <joejaxx> :)
[06:18] <joejaxx> i have not created any products yet because i had wanted to find out about that superproject question i had
[06:20] <LaserJock> joejaxx: there are projects and project groups
[06:20] <joejaxx> LaserJock: yeah but i was not sure if i could add projects under a distro
[06:20] <LaserJock> no
[06:21] <joejaxx> which the answer seems to be no
[06:21] <joejaxx> yeah
[06:21] <joejaxx> so now i have to create a fluxbuntu-project superproject it seems
[06:21] <Hobbsee> wow, ppa's are slow to download
[06:21] <joejaxx> and just add everything under that
[06:21] <LaserJock> disto's are another type
[06:40] <joejaxx> mpt: i create fluxbuntu-project so i can group the projects together that i am going to create. is there anyway that it can be turned into a project group?
[07:05] <mpt> joejaxx, what projects will they be?
[07:06] <joejaxx> well i am going to create a -desktop, -design, -website and -docs
[07:06] <mpt> Why?
[07:06] <joejaxx> but it will not let me add them to -project at registration
[07:08] <joejaxx> becaus/win 291
[07:08] <joejaxx> bah
[07:08] <joejaxx> maybe i am misinterpreting the usage of superprojects
[07:09] <mpt> If these are for grouping bug reports, perhaps you could use tags instead?
[08:42] <carlos_> morning
[09:00] <Hobbsee> morning carlos
[11:18] <stgraber> any LP admin around ? I would like the ubuntu-qa-tracker product to be renamed to ubuntu-qa-website
[12:44] <AnMaster> " In a registered bug tracker: " <-- so I guess if I want to specify where my project's bug tracker is I have to register it in some way?
[12:44] <AnMaster> in that case: where?
[12:45] <AnMaster> it is a trac setup, that also work as our home page
[12:46] <AnMaster> also the button help in the upper left corner doesn't seem very useful, it simply says "Sorry, help isnt available for this page." for almost all pages
[12:47] <jtv> AnMaster: that's right, you have to register the bug tracker.  Give me a moment, I'll look for the place.
[12:47] <AnMaster> yes I find it is hard to locate where stuff is in launchpad
[12:47] <AnMaster> like where to register team and so on
[12:48] <AnMaster> there should be a link for "register new" at the list where you select what bug tracker to use
[12:48] <AnMaster> and there are other such cases
[12:48] <jtv> AnMaster: the UI definitely has its own way of doing things.  I got used to it because it's hard to present so many options in such a simple way, but it's not always easy to find things...
[12:48] <AnMaster> like when selecting driver, should be link to info about what a team is in launchpad and how to register it, I had to ask here
[12:49] <AnMaster> jtv, I'm used to sourceforge, even though sourceforge can be confusing at times it is much simpler to find things than with launchpad
[12:49] <AnMaster> :/
[12:51] <AnMaster> jtv, and things are hidden in odd hard to find places at lot of the time
[12:51] <jtv> AnMaster: yes...  at the same time I find I don't use sourceforge anymore because of its UI.  I guess it's never perfect.  :/
[12:52] <jtv> I'm also trying to get someone to help you with the bug tracker.
[12:52] <AnMaster> ah I think I found something
[12:52] <AnMaster> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ > click on link in "including 35613 links to 149  bug trackers" near bottom (not in menu, not easy to find) and then select register new
[12:52] <AnMaster> confusing
[12:53] <gmb> Hi AnMaster. Jtv tells me you're looking to register a new bug tracker.
[12:53] <gmb> Can I help at all?
[12:53] <jtv> (gmb, sorry for forgetting to mention where we were!)
[12:53] <AnMaster> and just found it after digging around for quite a bit
[12:54] <gmb> AnMaster: Are you at http://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers now then?
[12:54] <AnMaster> gmb, yes I found that but it wasn't easy to find
 ah I think I found something
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ > click on link in "including 35613 links to 149  bug trackers" near bottom (not in menu, not easy to find) and then select register new
[12:54] <gmb> AnMaster: Hmm. I agree, it's not obvious as to where that's located.
[12:54] <AnMaster> gmb, same for registering a team
[12:54] <AnMaster> also hard to find
[12:55] <AnMaster> should be linked from places where you can select a team (like select driver page)
[12:55] <AnMaster> and for bug tracker, should be linked from the "change details" page where you set bug tracker for a project
[12:55] <gmb> There's a bug about that: bug 35728
[12:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 35728 in malone "Registering a bug tracker is prohibitively difficult" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/35728 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[12:56] <AnMaster> gmb, and for team?
[12:56] <gmb> AnMaster: It might be worth you adding a "me, too" comment to that bug.
[12:56] <gmb> AnMaster: Not sure about team registration; I'm looking into it now :)
[12:57] <AnMaster> gmb, I learnt on other bug trackers that that plain "me too" comments are bad style. heh
[12:57] <gmb> AnMaster: Granted, this is true :) I meant something more descriptive of your particular situation, including the manner in which you finally found what you wanted. Sorry for not being clear about that.
[12:58] <AnMaster> heh
[12:58] <gmb> The more we can learn about what you expect and what you had to do to get where you wanted to be, the better we can fix the problem.
[12:58] <gmb> AnMaster: Also, bug 102361.
[12:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102361 in launchpad "It's not obvious how to register a team" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102361
[01:00] <AnMaster> gmb, another thing, when I go to look at a branch of a project I don't expect to jump to a page under a user but rather stay below the project. confusing when trying to navigate back to project
[01:01] <gmb> AnMaster: It's because branches are registered per-user (or team) rather than per-project. But I agree that it can be confusing when you don't know that it's going to happen.
[01:01] <AnMaster> gmb, and I'm used to sourceforge model
[01:01] <gmb> Rest assured, though, we're working hard at ironing these navigation flow issues out :)
[01:01] <gmb> AnMaster: You mean in that everything is project-centric?
[01:01] <AnMaster> indeed
[01:02] <AnMaster> I have used svn for a long time, only started with bzr quite recently
[01:03] <gmb> Yes, the distributed nature of bzr is, I think, one of the reasons that we deal with branches in user-centric fashion rather than a project-centric one.
[01:03] <AnMaster> yep I like that, but I can't see why it can't be combined with project centric, after all a branch is probably related to one project not several
[01:06] <mwhudson> it's a shame urls are only one dimensional :)
[01:07] <AnMaster> hm what if the bug tracker is of a type not listed?
[01:08] <AnMaster> yes this is trac but I know projects that use bugtrackers not listed there
[01:09] <jtv> AnMaster: new ones do get added from time to time, afaik
[01:10] <jtv> So if there are enough requests for one, it'll probably be supported at some point.
[01:10] <gmb> Yes, definitely. It's something we're adding to all the time.
[01:11] <AnMaster> so what else except a link to the bug tracker do you do?
[01:11] <AnMaster> that is why do you need to know the type
[01:11] <AnMaster> as this is a trac the base url will point to the wiki part of trac
[01:12] <AnMaster> https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/envbot-trac <-- is this set up correct?
[01:12] <gmb> Well, when someone registers a bug against a remote bug tracker we can import the status and display it in Launchpad.
[01:12] <gmb> AnMaster: Let me just check that URL for you...
[01:12] <AnMaster> there are a few bugs in that bug tracker
[01:12] <AnMaster> http://envbot.org/trac/report/3
[01:13] <gmb> That URL's fine and should work.
[01:13] <AnMaster> ok why does it say:
[01:13] <AnMaster> "There are no projects linked to this bug tracker."
[01:13] <AnMaster> I did add one
[01:14] <AnMaster> https://launchpad.net/envbot/
[01:14] <gmb> Hmm, interesting.
[01:15] <gmb> By "I did add one" do you mean that you linked the project to the envbot bug tracker or that you registered the project with Launchpad?
[01:17] <AnMaster> I mean that I set the bug tracker in the project details to be the envbot bug tracker
[01:17] <AnMaster> (sorry was away for a short period, phone)
[01:18] <AnMaster> gmb, the bug tracker is linked from https://launchpad.net/envbot/ after all
[01:18] <AnMaster> "Bug tracker:  	 envbot bugtracker" on right side of page
[01:19] <gmb> So it is.
[01:19] <gmb> AnMaster: Looks like you found a bug :)
[01:20] <AnMaster> urgh, I'm going to eat soon, will have to file it after then, or maybe you, that seems to know launchpad better can do it ;)
[01:21] <gmb> AnMaster: I'll see if we haven't got one already and file it if we don't. 
[01:22] <BjornT> AnMaster, gmb: bug 123518
[01:22] <gmb> Thanks for find it :)
[01:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123518 in malone "The "Related projects" portlet for an external bug tracker doesn't list all projects using the bug tracker" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123518 - Assigned to Gavin Panella (allenap)
[01:22] <gmb> ... or that could happen :)
 Well, when someone registers a bug against a remote bug tracker we can import the status and display it in Launchpad.
[01:37] <AnMaster> hm
[01:37] <AnMaster> can you show an example of what you mean?
[01:37] <gmb> AnMaster: Sure, let me just find one.
[01:38] <AnMaster> because I can't see that happening for envbot, there are a few open bugs and all it does is show a link to the bug tracker
[01:38] <gmb> AnMaster: Bug 72505
[01:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 72505 in python2.5 "python2.5 compiled with libffi does not support ctypes 64 bits integer" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72505 - Assigned to Matthias Klose (doko)
[01:39] <gmb> You'll see that the top item, registered against GCC, is listed as assigned to "gcc-bugzilla #12782"
[01:39] <AnMaster> hm
[01:39] <gmb> That's a watch against the bug in the remote bugzilla instance.
[01:40] <gmb> And although that particular functionality may not get used for envbot, having the URL of your tracker also allows us to direct people to the right place if they try to report a bug against it in Launchpad.
[01:40] <AnMaster> yep :)
[01:42] <AnMaster> also, where do I set stuff like "Security contact:"?
[01:42] <AnMaster> that is listed on the project page
[01:42] <AnMaster> gmb, ?
[01:43] <gmb> AnMaster: If you look at envbot's bugs page
[01:43] <gmb> http://bugs.launchpad.net/envbot
[01:44] <gmb> You should see links on the right hand side to do just that.
[01:44] <AnMaster> hm
[01:44] <gmb> s/right/left
[01:44] <AnMaster> gmb, should be under project details or so IMO, or, should not be listed when using external bug tracker
[01:45] <gmb> AnMaster: Yes, I see what you mean.
[02:09] <kiko-afk> AnMaster, bug and security contacts are still important even if you are using an external bug tracker.
[02:09] <kiko-afk> AnMaster, it may be that there are community or project members that want to be notified of new or security bugs.
[02:09] <kiko-afk> (for bugs that are reported first in other projects)
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #151251 in malone ""Also Needs Fixing Here" button doesn't work correctly for projects that don't use Launchpad for bug tracking" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151251
[02:32] <AnMaster> the text at the bottom of pages: "Copyright 2004-2007 Canonical Ltd.  | build 4923" contains a link that is not clickable unless you click on the underlineing of the link, and that only works on pages that are short enough to not scroll
[02:32] <AnMaster> using firefox 2.x
[02:32] <mwhudson> pretty sure there's a bug about that already
[02:32] <AnMaster> same for selecting that text, you have to use the lower part of it
[02:32] <AnMaster> mwhudson, ah
[02:33] <AnMaster> but it is a weird bug
[02:34] <matsubara> AnMaster: bug 145624
[02:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145624 in launchpad "Footer text partly non-clickable" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145624
[02:34] <AnMaster> odd that that is "high" but 123518 is low
[02:34] <AnMaster> heh
[02:35] <mwhudson> sure is a strange one
[02:36] <AnMaster> can't figure it out even after looking at css, would need something to show what elements are where graphically
[02:36] <AnMaster> oh well
[02:36] <stgraber> any admin with time to rename ubuntu-qa-tracker to ubuntu-qa-website ?
[02:37] <AnMaster> someone else's problem
[02:39] <AnMaster> how long is the email sent on merge request, it seems I got mail problem on that old email (my email but I don't think I ever registered an email account on it)
[02:39] <AnMaster> so I hope it doesn't time out after 24 hours or something like that
[03:05] <dennda> Hi there. I created two branches of a project. I want to delete both. I was able to delete the first one, but the second has no link to "Delete branch" how can I do that?
[03:05] <dennda> https://code.launchpad.net/memaker/ <- it is the branch engine that i want to delete
[03:12] <AnMaster> dennda, ^
[03:17] <dennda> AnMaster: thanks anyway ;)
[03:39] <AnMaster> how do I subscribe to a bug without making a comment?
[03:40] <AnMaster> or in fact how do I subscribe to it at all
[03:40] <Hobbsee> left hand panel of the bug - hit subscribe
[03:40] <AnMaster> ah
[03:42] <AnMaster> https://launchpad.net/launchpad/ <-- 1) why do all icons in list on that page show "(undefined)" instead of an icon, it works for other projects
[03:42] <AnMaster> 2) what about those odd "remove me" branches there?
[03:51] <ubotu> New bug: #151290 in launchpad "IMailingList.__repr__ should include the mailing list's address as well" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151290
[04:00] <barry> welcome everybody.  for the next 45 minutes or less, we will be conducting the eu/us launchpad code review team meeting.
[04:00] <barry> Agenda    Roll call    Next meeting    Action items    Queue status    Proposal: add "needs-mentoring" state to PendingReviews. (proposed by AU meeting, EU/US meeting please discuss)    Mentoring update     
[04:01] <barry> who's here today
[04:01] <sinzu1> me
[04:01] <flacoste> me
[04:01] <statik> me
[04:01] <BjornT> me
[04:01] <barry> intellectronica might be late and sends his apologies
[04:01] <bac> me
[04:01] <mwhudson_> me!
[04:02] <flacoste> barry: wasn't that last week?
[04:02] <barry> flacoste: it's again this week though :)
[04:02] <flacoste> fine, just wanted to make sure we weren't carrying over the old agenda
[04:02] <flacoste> salgado: reviewer's meeting is going on
[04:03] <salgado> me!
[04:03] <barry> flacoste: nope, i got a pvt msg a little while ago
[04:03] <barry> jtv: are you here with us today?
[04:04] <barry> * Next meeting
[04:04] <barry> same time and place?  does anybody know they won't be able to make it?
[04:04] <barry> cool, thanks
[04:05] <jtv> barry: uh yes, sorry
[04:05] <barry>  * Action items
[04:05] <barry> jtv: no worries.  you're marked as both au, and eu/us.  i'm not sure whether that means you'll generally attend one or the other, or usually both
[04:05] <jtv> barry: I'm atoning today
[04:05] <jtv> Yesterday's Immigration issues kept me from attending AU
[04:06] <barry> jtv: put your sins on a piece of bread and throw it in the water and we shall absolve you :)
[04:06] <barry>  * intellectronica to take barry's original review script, add it to utilities, and merge his patch to CC reviewers.
[04:06] <barry> last week, i decided to go ahead and clean up my review script and add it to utilities.  that branch is in the review queue.
[04:07] <barry> intellectronica can merge in his changes once that lands
[04:07] <barry> so, 1/2 done :)
[04:07] <barry>  * sinzui to help make `lint.sh` better by updating pylint.
[04:07] <sinzu1> spiv tore my branch apart.
[04:07] <barry> sinzu1: your branch is still in review?
[04:07] <barry> ouch
[04:08] <sinzui> I now know why only I could run pylint
[04:08] <sinzui> I'm special
[04:08] <barry> why is that? :)
[04:08] <sinzui> Isymlink
[04:08] <sinzui> I have made my changes. I'm replying to the review after this meeting
[04:08] <barry> i apologize for not following that review thread very closely
[04:09] <barry> sinzui: awesome.  so you think it'll make it for .10?
[04:09] <sinzui> I think so, It may be my only banch ;(
[04:09] <barry> sinzui: some cycles are like that ;)
[04:09] <barry> sinzui: cool. it would be great to get this in
[04:09] <sinzui> My one concern
[04:10] <sinzui> is that I think he is taking the bite out of pylint.
[04:10] <sinzui> Since we have a test suite, is default mode it reports trivial changes.
[04:11] <sinzui> Verbose (make lint-complete) is now the mode that catches bad variable names and the like.
[04:11] <barry> sinzui: is this the type of thing we can turn up over time? start less verbosely and then over a few cycles crank up the verbosity?
[04:12] <barry> sinzui: or perhaps have two targets, e.g. "make lint" and "make pita" :)
[04:12] <sinzui> My thought is to file a bug regarding the back log of bad names. When the bug is generally taken care of, we move a few of the messages from verbose to normal.
[04:13] <flacoste> sinzui: that's a good strategy
[04:13] <flacoste> another one is to use add a ratchet to the test suite
[04:13] <flacoste> have a test running pylint in verbose mode
[04:13] <flacoste> note the number of warnings generated by the current code
[04:14] <sinzui> flacoste: i did ;)
[04:14] <flacoste> and make the test fail if new warnings are introduced
[04:14] <jtv> I don't think that'll go down very well
[04:14] <barry> great idea
[04:14] <sinzui> That is a nice idea
[04:14] <mwhudson> i think one of spiv's problems was that there are warnings that cannot reasonably be fixed, and have to be suppressed
[04:14] <mwhudson> (e.g. widget names on launchpadformviews)
[04:14] <jtv> It'll annoy the hell out of people if existing code does it wrong so they don't have a clear example
[04:15] <flacoste> jtv: well, that's part of life, it's called "legacy"
[04:15] <sinzui> mwhudson: I think I've removed those false positives.
[04:15] <barry> mwhudson: but suppressed warnings won't count against the ratchet right?
[04:16] <mwhudson> barry: no, but do you want to have to add some cryptic stuff to suppress a warning because can refer to status_widget ?
[04:16] <mwhudson> s/can/you/
[04:16] <barry> jtv: i had a similar experience recently with some vocabulary code.  almost all the existing code is now considered wrong.  i added a comment saying basically "don't look there, look here" :)
[04:16] <flacoste> isn't possible to write pylint extension that handles that kind of stuff
[04:16] <flacoste> if the class inherits from LaunchpadFormView -> _widget attributes are fine?
[04:16] <mwhudson> i don't have a very strong opinion on this one and maybe i'm being overly fearful
[04:17] <sinzui> barry: jtv, mwhudson Vocab has a warning suppression comment because of those bad names. You wont see them
[04:18] <sinzui> My concern is that in the Vocabulary instance, ALL bad names are suppresessed
[04:18] <sinzui> One day I will write a pylint plugin
[04:18] <barry> sinzui: before this branch lands, can you email launchpad to give us a heads up about the kinds of things we'll see, what will bite us in legacy code, how we can avoid them, etc.  you should have a pretty good idea about the pita factor.
[04:18] <sinzui> I will
[04:19] <barry> sinzui: we're looking for the sweet spot between making us crazy over legacy code and improving the quality for future code, and code we update.  i think it's worth a bit of pain to improve overall consistency and quality, but exactly where that line is i don't have a good idea of yet
[04:20] <barry> anything else on this topic?
[04:20] <AnMaster> hm this is odd, still I get this after half an hour of a few refreshes: <AnMaster> https://launchpad.net/launchpad/ <-- 1) why do all icons in list on that page show "(undefined)" instead of an icon, it works for other projects
[04:20] <popey> erk
[04:20] <AnMaster> and 2) what about those odd "remove me" branches there?
[04:20] <sinzui> As I said, `make lint` doesn't have a bite. It will probably tell you to wrap your lines at 78 characters
[04:21] <popey> anyone know if it's possible to "undelete" or revert the deletion of an attachment on the wiki?
[04:21] <barry> sinzui: yay for that :)
[04:22] <barry>  * barry will try to find someone to work on [https://launchpad.net/bugs/113626 bug 113626]  to extend pending-reviews to run make lint for us.
[04:22] <statik> AnMaster: the remove me branches are just odd names. I see all the icons here
[04:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113626 in launchpad "pending-reviews should run and display the output of make lint" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113626
[04:22] <barry> not done, i suck
[04:22] <AnMaster> statik, odd I do not
[04:22] <salgado> popey, you can add it again. the file should still be available in the librarian
[04:22] <barry>  * barry will coordinate for ''reviewer's sprint'' at all-hands
[04:22] <barry> not done, i suck
[04:22] <barry>  * Queue status
[04:23] <statik> I want to thank sinzui and flacoste for helping me when I fell behind in reviews last week
[04:23] <barry> by my count, 14-15 branches over the sla
[04:23] <AnMaster> another question, why is launchpads source not (yet) available?
[04:23] <AnMaster> launchpad's*
[04:23] <statik> this week is going to be rough for me as I am working intently on getting some things ready to land and a separate project for a customer
[04:23] <flacoste> statik: i can't remember helping, but thanks anyway ;-)
[04:23] <sinzui> statik: You don't have to thank me, you still had to review the branch that I reviewed
[04:24] <barry> statik: if you can't get to them, put them back at the top of the general queue
[04:24] <barry> statik: and put a note in your reviewer section indicating your constraint
[04:24] <barry> (so they don't get reassigned to you)
[04:24] <statik> AnMaster: we are in a reviewers meeting at the moment, not ignoring you :)
[04:25] <AnMaster> ah that explains it, you know some open source projects use some kind of -dev channel ;)
[04:25] <statik> barry: ok, will do. I always feel so guilty about saying I'm busy, but I think that is better than blocking other people
[04:25] <barry> kiko and stub still have a lot of branches.  i just finished my over-sla review
[04:25] <flacoste> barry, statik: don't put them at the top of the General Queue
[04:26] <barry> statik: i know, but it happens to all of us so we just have to pull together i think.  i'll be able to do more reviews after this week
[04:26] <flacoste> barry, statik: you put them in the 'Rejected (lifeless to reallocate)' section
[04:26] <barry> flacoste: good point, thanks
[04:26] <statik> flacoste: right, I think I error corrected that in my head
[04:27] <barry> i think that's all about the queue
[04:27] <barry>  * Proposal: add "needs-mentoring" state to PendingReviews. (proposed by AU meeting, EU/US meeting please discuss)
[04:28] <barry> jtv: can you give a summary about where this thread went.  did we converge on anything at all? ;)
[04:28] <mwhudson> i would have to say i'm now pretty confused over what i'm supposed to do with review states now :)
[04:28] <barry> jtv: let me know when you're done
[04:28] <jtv> barry: I think we're still somewhat stuck
[04:28] <barry> mwhudson: because of the mentor proposal or for other reasons?
[04:29] <statik> AnMaster: our commitment to making launchpad open source is here: https://launchpad.net/faq. it is something we are working toward, I think we are all eager for it but are trying to proceed with proper diligence.
[04:29] <mwhudson> barry: just because the discussion confused me
[04:30] <barry> jtv: what is your recommendation then?  will further discussion help us at all?
[04:30] <barry> mwhudson: well, it's still just a proposal so you can safely ignore it for now :)
[04:30] <mwhudson> barry: oh good!
[04:30] <jtv> barry: BjornT still has some reservations
[04:30] <flacoste> which i share
[04:30] <jtv> And he has some good points
[04:31] <jtv> So there we have it: more discussion needed.  I don't think we'll ever get anything that's perfect.
[04:31] <jtv> Question is, will we get _something_?
[04:31] <barry> jtv: and if we get something, will it be better than nothing?
[04:31] <jtv> I sure hope so, so I keep whining about it.
[04:32] <jtv> barry: I think so, yes
[04:32] <barry> maybe we'll get lucky and graduate all our recruits before we decide, and then we can shove it down the road a little longer :)
[04:32] <flacoste> well, there is two proposition on the table really
[04:32] <flacoste> a new state: needs-mentoring
[04:32] <jtv> (or some better name)
[04:33] <flacoste> or a flag: * after the branch status name when there is a mentor sign-off required
[04:33] <jtv> Well whether it's "required" is still subject to discussion afaics
[04:33] <flacoste> i think everybody agrees that some formal way to track mentoring proces is needed
[04:34] <BjornT> jtv: is it? "required" is not the same as "directly blocked"
[04:34] <jtv> BjornT: I beg to differ!
[04:34] <salgado> flacoste, absolutely. the problem is tracking it on an already overloaded PendingReviews page
[04:34] <salgado> IMHO we need to get rid of PendingReviews as soon as we can
[04:34] <barry> BjornT: i think 'blocked' is the state we're trying to capture here, right?
[04:35] <jtv> barry: that was my approach at least
[04:35] <jtv> I'm not sure we agree on that
[04:35] <BjornT> i do require food, but that doesn't mean i have to eat right away, before doing anything else
[04:35] <barry> salgado: +1
[04:35] <barry> salgado: but doing something better requires Work :)
[04:36] <BjornT> barry: yes, that's one aspect. a new state capture only that, while a flag would capture both that, and the fact that a branch hasn't been mentored yet.
[04:36] <mwhudson> barry, salgado: in progress...
[04:36] <barry> jtv: we're not going to solve this here, so i think we just keep this agenda item for now and move on.  let's try to reach a conclusion on the mailing list
[04:37] <jtv> barry: agreed
[04:37] <BjornT> barry: a branch can be in needs-reply, while still requring mentoring before getting its final approval
[04:37] <barry> BjornT: yep
[04:37] <barry> mwhudson: i can't wait :)
[04:37] <jtv> BjornT: skipping steps there!  It'll also need more review.
[04:37] <mwhudson> barry: it'll be few a months yet
[04:38] <barry> mwhudson: don't tease me! :)
[04:38] <BjornT> jtv: didn't we agree neither solution models the workflow perfectly? ;)
[04:38] <bac> mwhudson: doing it in turbogears, i assume?  :)
[04:38] <flacoste> mwhudson: applying barry's first law, it means we should get it in a few years ;-)
[04:38] <mwhudson> bac: doing it in launchpad
[04:38] <barry> flacoste: LOL
[04:39] <mwhudson> i don't know there's something better than pendingreviews but less effort that the whole 'code review in lp' thing
[04:39] <jtv> BjornT: yes, and that we shouldn't try :)
[04:39] <mwhudson> that's still worth doing
[04:39] <flacoste> actually, it's *several* years, i forgot to multiply the amount by 3
[04:39] <barry> flacoste: times 2 only :)
[04:39] <barry> jtv: okay, let's continue this on the ml
[04:39] <jtv> ok
[04:39] <barry> moving on...
[04:39] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[04:40] <barry> any feedback from mentors or recruits?  does anybody think we can have a graduation discussion after .10 cycle completes, or is it too early?
[04:40] <statik> I think it's too early
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #151304 in launchpad "Pending-reviews script should email the launchpad reviewers list when a branch misses the SLA" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151304
[04:41] <statik> however, sinzui makes very few mistakes, so that is boring. I'm going to have to start thinking more laterally
[04:41] <bac> i agree it is too early
[04:41] <dennda> Hi there. I created two branches of a project. I want to delete both. I was able to delete the first one, but the second has no link to "Delete branch" how can I do that?
[04:41] <flacoste> let's review this on week 4
[04:41] <bac> mainly due to a small number of reviews
[04:41] <dennda> https://code.launchpad.net/memaker/ <- it is the branch engine that i want to delete
[04:41] <flacoste> after the hell's week
[04:42] <barry> flacoste, et al: cool.  i won't ask again until week 4
[04:42] <flacoste> actually, passing through hell's week should be mandatory before graduation
[04:42] <salgado> barry, I don't think it's too early. been very happy with mwhudson's reviews, and he's done lots of them already
[04:42] <mwhudson> dennda: it has a blueprint associated to it
[04:42] <intellectronica> sorry for taking so long. had a bit of an unplanned delay out of home
[04:42] <flacoste> salgado: you want to save yourself the added workload of mentoring reviews during hell's week? ;-)
[04:42] <dennda> mwhudson: so that needs to be removed first?
[04:43] <barry> flacoste: absolutely.  in fact we should make recruits do all the reviews in hell week.  kind of like some frat hazing ritual
[04:43] <mwhudson> dennda: yes
[04:43] <salgado> flacoste, that'd be the real reason, although the stated one would be that he's ready to graduate. ;)
[04:43] <flacoste> lol
[04:43] <mwhudson> dennda: this is even documented in the help tab!
[04:43] <salgado> barry, flacoste, I agree it'd be good for him to go through hell's week before, though
[04:43] <barry> intellectronica: no worries.  you can check the scrollback, re: the review script branch
[04:43] <mwhudson> dennda: (which is unusual for a help tab, being useful)
[04:44] <mwhudson> salgado: i think i should wait another week or so, yes :)
[04:44] <barry> okay, we have one minute left.  matsubara pointed me to bug 151304.  just take a look, but i don't think we need to take action on that now.  maybe mwhudson can put that on his radar for is pending-review replacment
[04:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151304 in launchpad "Pending-reviews script should email the launchpad reviewers list when a branch misses the SLA" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151304
[04:44] <dennda> mwhudson: thanks. i will try that later
[04:45] <barry> does anybody have anything else?
[04:45] <barry> 5
[04:45] <barry> 4
[04:45] <barry> 3
[04:45] <matsubara> barry: can you bring that up in the au review meeting?
[04:45] <barry> 2
[04:45] <jtv> flacoste: you'll remember soon enough
[04:46] <barry> matsubara: i won't be in the au meeting, but i'll put it on the agenda for those guys
[04:46] <matsubara> barry: thanks!
[04:46] <barry> 1
[04:46] <flacoste> jtv: i'm not worried, bring in the reviews... plus i'm not mentoring anybody this cycle
[04:46] <flacoste> STOP
[04:46] <barry> MEETING ENDS
[04:46] <flacoste> barry: ^^
[04:46] <flacoste> no
[04:46] <bac> barry: thanks
[04:46] <flacoste> i have something else
[04:46] <barry> wait, sorry
[04:46] <barry> flacoste: i missed it
[04:46] <flacoste> barry: no problem
[04:47] <flacoste> statik: since you seem to be busy
[04:47] <flacoste> statik: do you want me to fill in for you next week as sinzui's mentor?
[04:47] <flacoste> statik: we'll be sprinting together, so it may make things easier
[04:47] <statik> flacoste: you are my hero
[04:47] <statik> that is a great idea
[04:48] <flacoste> cool, then it's a deal
[04:48] <barry> statik: bring beers to the sprint :)
[04:48] <barry> flacoste: anything else?
[04:48] <flacoste> barry: you can probably close for real now :-)
[04:48] <barry> MEETING ENDS
[04:48] <flacoste> cheers!
[04:48] <barry> apologies for going over
[04:48] <statik> barry: I will. It's amazing how much beer I buy in a year considering that I never drink the stuff :)
[04:49] <barry> statik: :)
 AnMaster: our commitment to making launchpad open source is here: https://launchpad.net/faq. it is something we are working toward, I think we are all eager for it but are trying to proceed with proper diligence. <-- ok, good answer. but doesn't explain why it isn't open source yet really, if it was open source issues would get fixed faster I bet.
[04:53] <statik> AnMaster: ok
[04:54] <AnMaster> how many open bugs are there for the launchpad project?
[04:54] <jtv> AnMaster: in some cases, yes, in some cases, no.  There's a lot of process involved.  You just witnessed a meeting of people who have to review all changes.
[04:54] <AnMaster> jtv, meeting? you mean row?
[04:54] <jtv> I didn't see any row
[04:55] <AnMaster> right but something in the middle of meeting and row
[04:55] <jtv> Lively, maybe, but no fighting.
[04:55] <AnMaster> true
[04:56] <jtv> Sign of a good meeting!
[04:58] <AnMaster> heh
[04:58] <AnMaster> anyway, launchpad needs to get less ubuntu specific. I find it kind of disturbing to see ubuntu related stuff all over launchpad, as I prefer FreeBSD myself
[04:59] <jtv> Yes, that's one of many things we work on.
[04:59] <jtv> Some of that is under the hood, where you don't really see it.
[04:59] <jtv> But actually coding a feature is often a surprisingly small part of the work!
[04:59] <AnMaster> and of course the ubuntuwiki "can't" remove thing
[04:59] <AnMaster> that is the worst
[05:00] <AnMaster> I don't want it listed at contact info for myself
[05:00] <AnMaster> as I will never ever use that wiki
[05:00] <AnMaster> I will never ever use ubuntu at all
[05:00] <AnMaster> even linux I avoid, and when I do use linux it is either Slackware or Gentoo
[05:00] <Rinchen> mrevell, me :-)
[05:01] <jtv> AnMaster: but these are things we are working to fix regardless of how you live your life, of course.
[05:01] <mrevell> Rinchen: We're an hour off yet :)
[05:01] <Rinchen> mrevell, really? Showing up on my calendar for now.
[05:02] <Rinchen> mrevell, it's at 16:00 not 15:00? 
[05:02] <Rinchen> I'll move the calendar entry then
[05:02] <mrevell> Rinchen: Apologies, I put it into the team calendar at the UTC time, whereas my view of the calendar is BST
[05:03] <mantiena-baltix> Hi all
[05:52] <AnMaster> on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ the alignment of "All projects", "One project:" and "(Choose)" are odd
[05:52] <AnMaster> "(Choose)" is on same line as "All projects"
[05:59] <AnMaster> anyone?
[06:00] <mrevell> Welcome to the Launchpad Users meeting for 10th October 2007, part of
[06:00] <mrevell> the Launchpad 1.1.10 development cycle.
[06:00] <AnMaster> uh?
[06:00] <mrevell> Thank you for attending! This meeting has two main purposes:
[06:00] <mrevell> 1. To give you a chance to offer feedback on the 1.1.0 Coming Changes report.
[06:00] <AnMaster> no I got to leave soon :P
[06:00] <mrevell> 2. To hear any questions, comments or suggestions you may have about Launchpad.
[06:00] <mrevell> The agenda is as follows:
[06:00] <AnMaster> mrevell, but please see what I mentioned a few lines above
[06:00] <sinzui> AnMaster: that is the correct alignment.
[06:00] <mrevell> - Invitation to the Launchpad beta team.
[06:01] <mrevell> - Issue of the week - have you encountered something that has made it 
[06:01] <mrevell> harder for your to use Launchpad?
[06:01] <AnMaster> sinzui, well in that case, "(Choose)" should NOT be on the same line as "All projects"
[06:01] <mrevell> - Any issues arising from our Coming Changes report for Launchpad 1.1.10
[06:01] <mrevell> - Questions for the Launchpad team.
[06:01] <mrevell> Before we start, say "me" if you're here for the meeting.
[06:01] <mrevell> me
[06:01] <sinzui> me
[06:01] <AnMaster> sinzui, but instead on the same line as "One project: "
[06:02] <AnMaster> and no I'm not in meeting as I got to leave in about 10 minutes
[06:02] <mrevell> AnMaster: Please file a bug if you're unhappy with the alignment.
[06:02] <mrevell> Okay, let's get on with the show :)
[06:02] <mrevell> Launchpad beta team
[06:02] <mrevell> The Launchpad Beta Testers team is a great way to help in the development of Launchpad.
[06:02] <mrevell> By joining, you get to use the latest code the Launchpad team have committed in preparation for the next release.
[06:03] <mrevell> Everyone's welcome to join. All we ask is that you sign up to the launchpad-users mailing list:
[06:03] <mrevell> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/launchpad-users
[06:03] <mrevell> and that you use your full, real name as your Launchpad Display Name - e.g. Barry Chuckle.
[06:03] <mrevell> You can sign up at:
[06:03] <mrevell> https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers/+members
[06:03] <mrevell> 
[06:03] <mrevell> Issue of the week
[06:03] <mrevell> 
[06:03] <mrevell> Each week, I tell the Launchpad developers meeting about one or two issues that have affected Launchpad users. If you've come across something that has made it harder for you to use Launchpad or that you feel could be improved, please mention it now.
[06:04] <mrevell> AnMaster: Often people arrive late or are shy about saying "me" at the top of the meeting.
[06:04] <AnMaster> and why would they say "me"? do you use some logging bot for that?
[06:04] <mrevell> No issues this week? AnMaster I'll happily mention your issue with links to the Ubuntu wiki.
[06:05] <AnMaster> mrevell, yes mention that please
[06:05] <mrevell> AnMaster: Thank you very much for your input. Could I ask that you respect the meeting while it's in progress?
[06:05] <AnMaster> now I got to leave, for Aikido (it is like judo if you don't know what it is)
[06:05] <mrevell> Okay, 5
[06:05] <mrevell> 4
[06:05] <mrevell> 3
[06:05] <mrevell> 2
[06:05] <mrevell> 1
[06:05] <mrevell> 
[06:05] <mrevell> Issue from Coming Changes for 1.1.10
[06:05] <mrevell> 
[06:06] <mrevell> If you've seen the Launchpad Coming Changes report in preparation for our 1.1.0 release and have any feedback on the changes we highlighted, please let us know now.
[06:06] <mrevell> s/1.1.0/1.1.10
[06:06] <mrevell> 5
[06:06] <mrevell> 4
[06:06] <mrevell> 3
[06:06] <mrevell> 2
[06:06] <mrevell> 1
[06:06] <mrevell> 
[06:06] <mrevell> Questions for the Launchpad team
[06:06] <mrevell> 
[06:07] <mrevell> If you have any questions about Launchpad and would like to ask the Launchpad team, please go ahead now.
[06:07] <mrevell> f we can't answer your question - either because we run out of time or because the relevant team member is unavailable - I'll post your question to the launchpad-users list.
[06:07] <seaLne> hi is it possible to change someone elses lp email address or some other solution? grahampower70 has an autoreply about changing emails see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pilot-link/+bug/138823 for example
[06:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138823 in pilot-link "pilot-xfer fails to sync if there is another usb serial device" [Undecided,New]  
[06:08] <mrevell> Hi seaLne
[06:08] <seaLne> he seems to be doing it to any bugs he is subscribed to
[06:08] <mrevell> seaLne: long time no speak
[06:08] <seaLne> yeah, rsi sucks
[06:08] <mrevell> seaLne: :(
[06:08] <mrevell> seaLne: Let me find someone from the bug team
[06:08] <seaLne> so i have had to cut back on almost all no essential computer usage
[09:41] <yeager> what are the odds that if I upload a complete Swedish translation for scribus today, that it will be imported tomorrow?
[09:59] <Kmos> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/151391/+editstatus
[09:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151391 in linux-source-2.6.22 "rt2500 can't connect to WPA/TKIP protected network with hidden essid - network manager says signal 0 %" [Undecided,New]  
[09:59] <Kmos> OOPS-648EB98
[09:59] <Kmos> i got an OOPS
[09:59] <Kmos> when trying to edit the status of the bug
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #151392 in launchpad "Many of our views don't have __used_for__ attribute set making the launchpad.pageid less useful" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151392
[10:00] <AnMaster> yeager, ah another Swede? :)
[10:03] <yeager> oh yes :)
[10:04] <AnMaster> night
[10:04] <yeager> godnatt anmaster
[10:06] <yeager> AnMaster: if you didnt know, i'm the translator of most stuff
[10:06] <AnMaster> mhm, KDE?
[10:07] <AnMaster> KDE got very good Swedish translation
[10:07] <AnMaster> actually usable compared to many other apps
[10:07] <Nafallo> Gnome
[10:07] <Nafallo> and * !KDE
[10:07] <Nafallo> ;-)
[10:08] <yeager> AnMaster: you think so?
[10:08] <AnMaster> yeager, yes
[10:09] <yeager> i believe it's very modern.. but not always correct
[10:09] <yeager> the Swedish gnome and kde translations are very different 
[10:09] <AnMaster> possibly but it is not half translated and you can understand what was meant
[10:09] <AnMaster> if some things are in English and some in Swedish it is better to just use English
[10:09] <AnMaster> mixing on one program is just a mess
[10:10] <yeager> true, but the worst things are srskrivningar and svengelska
[10:11] <AnMaster> yes and svengelska is just half translated
[10:11] <AnMaster> yeager, anyway, sometimes you need it, I mean how to translate some stuff in, say kdevelop
[10:12] <AnMaster> and always, LANG=C in terminals, utf8 just doesn't work out well on the virtual terminals
[10:13] <AnMaster> yeager, and I work a lot from command line
[10:13] <AnMaster> prefer it for most tasks
[10:13] <yeager> AnMaster: UTF-8 works really great in Ubuntu/Debian nowadays
[10:13] <AnMaster> no way I'm going to use that
[10:13] <AnMaster> 64-bit FreeBSD for me
[10:13] <AnMaster> maybe opensolaris
[10:14] <AnMaster> and if I have to use linux: Slackware or maybe Gentoo
[10:14] <AnMaster> and launchpad is nice but gets too ubuntu specific in many places
[10:14] <AnMaster> there are bugs about that iirc
[10:15] <AnMaster> 29542 I think
[10:44] <mdke> danilos: got a sec?
[10:48] <lamont> cprov: you around?
[10:48] <cprov> lamont: yes
[10:50] <lamont> chinstrap:~lamont/chroot-tarball/bootstrap/chroot-ubuntu-gutsy-lpia.tar.bz2 if you would be so kind.
[10:50] <lamont> 316008914fe4abf8ddee4344310a26d1  chroot-ubuntu-gutsy-lpia.tar.bz2
[10:53] <lamont> cprov: and if you poke me when it's done, I'll go retry the b0rked build
[10:54] <cprov> lamont: ta
[10:55] <lamont> thanks
[10:57] <cprov> lamont: done
[11:16] <Stemp> Hi 
[11:20] <Stemp> Is it possible to register a new language in rosetta ? 
[11:23] <jamesh> Stemp: it'd probably be best to ask for it to be added at https://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta/
[11:24] <jamesh> Stemp: remember to include details about the plural handling of the language
[11:24] <Stemp> thanks a lot jamesh 
[11:26] <jamesh> Stemp: if you know what the "Plural-Forms" header should look like for translation catalogues for your language, that's what we need to know
[11:27] <Stemp> well that's a a special form of French for disable  peoples
[11:31] <jamesh> Stemp: the plural forms stuff is to tell applications how plural words should be translated
[11:31] <jamesh> e.g. for english you say "0 apples", "1 apple", "2 apples", ...
[11:31] <jamesh> so the 1 case is handled one way, and everything else is handled a second way
[11:32] <jamesh> other languages have different rules, which need to be expressed in the "Plural-Forms" header
[11:34] <Stemp> in fact I don't know, i guess it's like in French (like in English) but I 'm not sure
[11:34] <Stemp> ;)
[11:37] <ScorpKing> hi guys! what is the Activate Peronal Package Archive link for on Launchpad?
[11:40] <pgquiles_> what's up with the PPAs? are the PPA builders down?
[12:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[12:00] <ScorpKing> hiya!
[12:01] <Stemp> morning :D
[12:01] <mpt> ScorpKing, http://news.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/personal-package-archives
[12:01] <ScorpKing> hehe. thanks. :D
[12:02] <mpt> ScorpKing, the problem you just had is reported as bug 137368
[12:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137368 in soyuz "Launchpad makes it unreasonably difficult to learn what a PPA is" [Low,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137368
[12:03] <ScorpKing> with aptoncd right?
[12:03] <ScorpKing> hehe
[12:03] <ScorpKing> i see
[12:03] <ScorpKing> :D
[12:04] <ScorpKing> mpt: thanks for the info. :D
[12:04] <ScorpKing> nite guys.
[12:05] <Stemp> mpt what is your excuse to wake me up at midnight ? :D
[12:05] <Stemp> it's not morning at all 
[12:06] <mpt> Stemp, if I did your IRC client is misconfigured
[12:07] <ScorpKing> there is one more problem.
[12:07] <Stemp> it is configured to play an alarm when someone say Goooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! ;)
[12:08] <ScorpKing> on this page - http://news.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/personal-package-archives
[12:09] <ScorpKing> familiar with packaging for Ubuntu. - link to http://www.https.com//help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[12:09] <ScorpKing> and not https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[12:09] <ScorpKing> :D
[12:09] <ScorpKing> can someone fix that?
[12:09] <ajmitch> the error being just a missing colon after https
[12:11] <ajmitch> mpt: where should a documentation bug like that go, since it's on a news page?
[12:12] <ScorpKing> and there's no link to edit that page, so i can't fix it myself :(
[12:12] <ajmitch> it's a blog, not a wiki
[12:12] <ScorpKing> i'll leave it to you guys. ;P
[12:12] <ScorpKing> nite again!
[12:17] <mpt> ajmitch, at the moment, <http://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-documentation>
[12:26] <juan> juan.rubio1@hotmail.com
[12:30] <Stemp> 'night all
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #151429 in launchpad "headings use vertical padding instead of margin" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151429