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[05:08] (Calicoo/#ubuntu+1) I don't believe so. Just this: BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3 -2ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash)
[05:08] (Evanlec/#ubuntu+1) it works but u hafta hold all the buttons down, its tough ;p
[05:08] (hydrogen/#ubuntu+1) Vuen: why should ubuntu change a shortcut that has existed since forever?
[05:09] (cyclonut/#ubuntu+1) evanlec - aways forget that combo...
[05:09] (nomasteryoda/#ubuntu+1) Evanlec, no if you do it in sequence it will work
[05:09] (Vuen/#ubuntu+1) hydrogen: same reason windows 95 got rid of a similar shortcut that has existed since forever: it's DANGEROUS.
[05:09] (earlmred/#ubuntu+1) Calicoo, you have a livecd around? sounds like your initram is messed up perhaps
[05:09] (hydrogen/#ubuntu+1) Vuen: its not dangerous.  It's helpful.
[05:09] (Vuen/#ubuntu+1) hydrogen: more than that, it gives no warning about what you've done.
[05:09] (hydrogen/#ubuntu+1) Vuen: linux was not designed for the feeble minded
[05:09] (Calicoo/#ubuntu+1) :/ Does that mean I have to reinstall?
[05:09] (Evanlec/#ubuntu+1) cyclonut, i didnt believe it worked, cuz i press alt+printscrn and then typed reisub but it didnt work, i had to hold alt+prntscrn while typing reisub
[05:10] (Evanlec/#ubuntu+1) nomasteryoda, well it didnt seem to work for me..had to hold alt+prntscrn while typing reisub
[05:10] (erichj/#ubuntu+1) yeah, mac os is for the feeble minded. windows is for the apathetic
[05:10] (nomasteryoda/#ubuntu+1) wow
[05:10] (Vuen/#ubuntu+1) hydrogen: that's the most shortsighted thing i've ever heard in this discussion. ubuntu is designed for EVERYONE.
[05:10] (jewbilee/#ubuntu+1) I've gotten everything for the desktop cube working other than actually seeing the cube and being able to rotate it, can someone help?
[05:10] <DavoDinkum> macosx is for rich people
[05:10] <hydrogen> Vuen: that doesn't mean linux was.
[05:10] <earlmred> hmm tempted to try the sysrq trick to see what it does
[05:11] <erichj> DavoDinkum, apples don't cost anymore than than a dell with the exact same features
[05:11] <Vuen> where did i mention linux, anyway? i said ubuntu should drop the silly shortcut.
[05:11] <Konam> hydrogen linux is just the kernel
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> jewbilee, ctrl+alt and middle mouse button drag
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> on the desktop space jewbilee
[05:11] <hydrogen> Konam: no... linux is /not/ just a kernel
[05:11] <earlmred> Calicoo, no, you can rebuild it if you can get into / and /boot from a livecd
[05:11] <bazhang> jewbilee: hit alt +f2 keys, then compiz --replace  &
[05:11] <jewbilee> nomas: that doesn't work
[05:11] <hydrogen> Konam: the linux kernel is a major part of linux, but its not just the kernel
[05:11] <cellofellow> earlmred: can't get it to work. May be my laptop geyboard.
[05:11] <DavoDinkum> so what? apple has crappy DRM in their products anyway, and dell still bundle windows. i wouldnt buy from either of them
[05:11] <jmg_> you mean GNU/linux
[05:11] <hydrogen> Konam: though I suppose I wasn't all that clear
[05:11] <jewbilee> bazhang, what did that do?
[05:11] <kingrayray> DavoDinkum: Dell sells Ubuntu PC's.
[05:11] <Konam> hydrogen linux is just the kernel
[05:12] <Calicoo> Go on... :)
[05:12] <jmg_> ^
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> jewbilee, started compiz
[05:12] <Konam> despite the GNU/Linux vs. Linux discussion
[05:12] <DavoDinkum> call me when they stop shipping windows
[05:12] <erichj> DavoDinkum, well you were the one who said apple was for rich people. personally, i buy Acers
[05:12] <cellofellow> I just bought a Gateway, but would have liked a System76. :) Best Ubuntu seller around.
[05:12] <earlmred> lol alt-prt scr in gnome causes take a screenshot to come up
[05:12] <jewbilee> compiz was started
[05:12] <bazhang> jewbilee: now hit alt + f2 again, and type emerald --replace &
[05:12] <Vuen> incredible. "linux not for feeble-minded" -> "ubuntu should keep dangerous undocumented shortcuts". your logic is infallible.
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> DavoDinkum, that's bug #1
[05:12] <DavoDinkum> i said osx was for rich people
[05:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> =D
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> oh now the tirade is on again...
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:13] <erichj> DavoDinkum, there is no distinction between the two. since you can't legally have os x without buying a mac
[05:13] <DavoDinkum> yes you can
[05:13] <cellofellow> I have a simple question. How do I get an input box for the Deskbar Applet to show on the panel?
[05:13] <jmg_> erichj: you can purchase the OS without owning a mac
[05:13] <erichj> you can't legally run it
[05:14] <DavoDinkum> but you can still buy it
[05:14] <cellofellow> The EULA says "Apple hardware only." or something?
[05:14] <erichj> yes
[05:14] <DavoDinkum> ill put an apple sticker on my PC then
[05:15] <cellofellow> what does Apple hardware have that commodity PC doesn't?
[05:15] <Konam> why are we talking about Apple here
[05:15] <jewbilee> bazhang that didnt work
[05:15] <erichj> cellofellow, drivers for mac os?
[05:16] <cellofellow> lol
[05:16] <DavoDinkum> mac os has drivers?
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> Calicoo, do you get this message .... "can't access tty"
[05:17] <Calicoo> Don't believe so. I can reboot, observe what happens and then report back?
[05:18] <kazmosik> does anybody have any knowledge of wireless i having trbl
[05:19] <ximal> hmm
[05:19] <ximal> what kind of trouble ?
[05:19] <ximal> the driver not available ?
[05:19] <ximal> firmware ?
[05:19] <Calicoo> Unless you have any ideas. Or can advise me on what to do in the live cd.
[05:19] <kazmosik> ok i got to where i can connect to my network
[05:20] <kazmosik> but very low signal strength and cant access the net
[05:21] <Sivananda> So...
[05:21] <Sivananda> can I get some help with an upgrade issue?
[05:22] <kazmosik> i new to linux or id hep u
[05:22] <DanaG> cellofellow: if you want the input box in deskbar-applet, you have to install the old version.
[05:23] <Sivananda> Thx kazmosik. Maybe someone else? Upgraded from feisty to gutsy via the adept dist-upgrader...
[05:23] <ximal> sorry for the query vuen.. i'm still getting used to irssi
[05:23] <kazmosik> i just did that
[05:23] <Sivananda> Seemed to work mostly ok (I'm typing this from the system now)...
[05:24] <kazmosik> but i didnt use the upgrade i got the iso and copied over  the winblows os
[05:24] <Sivananda> Started it last night, came back in the morning to a login screen...
[05:24] <cellofellow> DanaG: that sucks
[05:24] <Calicoo> Alright. Brb.
[05:25] <cellofellow> DanaG: why does it have to be just a little launcher-style thing?
[05:25] <Sivananda> Logged in, adept update icon in the tray shows 834 packages available for upgrade...
[05:25] <jmg_> Sivananda: welcome to the beta phase :)
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> Sivananda, yes that will happen.. it takes several times updating to get it fully updated
[05:25] <Sivananda> Started the updater, get the ""Another process is using the packaging system database" error.
[05:25] <kazmosik> i havent upgraded anything yet
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> i run daily... sudo aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
[05:26] <Sivananda> jmg_: thx. I expected some issues... lol
[05:26] <jmg_> Sivananda: its a very fast moving target from here to final
[05:26] <cellofellow> nomasteryoda: wouldn't it be `sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade`?
[05:27] <DanaG> I wish my brightness control would be fixed.
[05:27] <cellofellow> bash interprets the &&, not sudo.
[05:27] <Sivananda> The problem tho' is that I can not move forward now on continuing with updating...
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> not if you started the command with sudo
[05:27] <DanaG> bug 121833
[05:27] <cellofellow> so, you have to sudo twice
[05:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> cellofellow,  not on my box
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> =D
[05:27] <DanaG> It's really frickin' annoying.
[05:27] <cellofellow> Mine mysteriously doesn't work.
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> there is a timeout for sudo...
[05:27] <cellofellow> The brightness thingy.
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> if it times out, sure
[05:28] <DanaG> I think I need to update the title and description of the bug.
[05:28] <cellofellow> mine caches the password, but still needs a double sudo.
[05:28] <DanaG> I managed to work around the bug, but then they broke the workaround.
[05:29] <contrast83> nomasteryoda: Shouldn't that be sudo aptitude full-upgrade on a pre-release? :-)
[05:29] <DanaG> My brightness keys are also broken.  What gives?
[05:30] <jmg_> See topic.
[05:30] <Sivananda> nomasteryoda: So any ideas on how to clear the issue with the database lock? I've tried the 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' approach, and it throws this back: "dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0003' near line 2 package `libc6':`triggers-pendi' is not allowed for third (status) word in `status' field".
[05:30] <ximal> anyone know if there is any way to have programs shrink to the toolbar like gnutella's icon only but not close.. so it doesn't go to the bottom toolbar on the bottom ?
[05:31] <ximal> please help ..
[05:32] <m1ke> Is there an error with jre6 and gutsy?
[05:32] <ximal> no mike.. but if ur 64 bit runner like me..
[05:32] <jmg_> m1ke: why dont you tell us
[05:32] <ximal> you'll have java issues
[05:32] <shirish> does anybody know how to install openoffice.org extensions into openoffice.org for all users. I can't see the extension manager in gutsy
[05:32] <contrast83> Sivananda: Sounds like the package for libc6 that's in your cache is corrupted. Maybe try manually downloading it and running "sudo dpkg -i libc6"?
[05:33] <clusty> how can i run a program whenever my PC boots?
[05:33] <Calicoo> Okay, here's what said line by line:
[05:33] <m1ke> Well I tried installing JRE6 from synaptic and CLI but my app wont install properly.  So I removed and downloaded jre-6u3-linux-i586.bin   straight from java website and get same error with my application.
[05:33] <contrast83> Sivananda: What's the output of "dpkg --get-selections|grep libc6"?
[05:33] <Sivananda> One thing I notice is the error says 'triggers-pendi' not allowed, but if I cat the mentioned file, the named word is actually 'triggers-pending'. Seems like something is cutting off the last two letters when reading the file...
[05:34] <Calicoo> BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu7) Built in shell (ash)
[05:34] <AndyCR> Deskbar is buggy as heck in Feisty, any idea if it's fixed in Gutsy? It sometimes only displays a tiny tiny little window of results
[05:34] <ximal> i guess
[05:34] <ximal> noone care
[05:34] <Calicoo> Enter 'help' for a list of built in commands
[05:34] <contrast83> Sivananda: Weird
[05:34] <ximal> anyone know if there is any way to have programs shrink to the toolbar like gnutella's icon only but not close.. so it doesn't go to the bottom toolbar on the bottom ?
[05:34] <Calicoo> (initramfs) [cursor here] 
[05:34] <contrast83> !patience | ximal
[05:34] <ubotu> ximal: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:35] <ximal> hmm
[05:35] <ximal> true contrast..
[05:35] <ximal> i just tired..
[05:35] <Sivananda> contrast83: that command throws the identical error
[05:35] <m1ke> here is a clipped section from my error when I attemp to install my app.  Cannot load AWT toolkit: gnu.java.awt.peer.gtk.GtkToolkit  - java.awt.AWTError: Cannot load AWT toolkit: gnu.java.awt.peer.gtk.GtkToolkit at com.datafire.app.DataFireApp.main(Unknown Source) Caused by: java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: initIDs
[05:35] <ximal> hey mike , why not use www.pastebin.ca and let us see the whole error ?
[05:36] <m1ke> k
[05:36] <contrast83> ximal: The way you might want to phrase your question could be more along the lines of, "How can I send any program to the system tray", and perhaps the reason you're not getting an answer in here is it's not really related to Gutsy-troubleshooting. ;-)
[05:36] <ximal> paste the url in here for the entire issue m8..
[05:36] <ximal> oh contrare mon share .. lol
[05:37] <ximal> anything having to do with the workability of ubuntu and it's contribution of future bits that could be added to ubuntu are on topic sir..
[05:37] <ximal> ps : am i arguing with a dev or someone who's extensively versed in linex ?
[05:37] <jewbilee> !mps
[05:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mps - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:37] <jewbilee> !mp3
[05:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:37] <contrast83> ximal: A noob. :-P
[05:38] <ximal> ahh
[05:38] <kingrayray> is sharing screenshots of your super cool Gutsy setup on topic? :P
[05:38] <ximal> well if you just came to this channel
[05:38] <contrast83> ximal: Gutsy's already hit the feature freeze, by the way. ;-)
[05:38] <ximal> ... feature freez ?
[05:38] <kingrayray> ice cold baby
[05:38] <contrast83> heh
[05:39] <contrast83> The point at which no new features will be added and all development is focused on fixing bugs.
[05:39] <ximal> i'm just wandering ... does anyone in here use something like gtk-gnutella that could tell me how to getthe program to shrink to the system tray or use it's icon instead of just shrinking it to the toolbar on the bottom ... ???
[05:39] <Calicoo> And not to sound cynical, but it sounds like they have enought to worry about.
[05:40] <m1ke> http://pastebin.org/4516
[05:40] <ximal> hmm... true contrast but i'm asking for individual help on something i could use to better verse myself in linex and maybe even contribute to the future use of things in ubuntu ;)
[05:40] <ximal> hey mike.. checking now...
[05:40] <contrast83> ximal: There's a good number of apps in the repos that do what you're looking for. Try searching for stuff with "system tray" or "dock" in the name/description. I'd tell you one in particular if I knew it offhand.
[05:40] <Calicoo> Anyway, can anyone help me with BusyBox and how to boot to the desktop?
[05:40] <ximal> ahh... thanks for the repository reference.. i didn't think about it
[05:40] <m1ke> If there is a better application for me to use, please let me know.  WIC is what I found googling for a linux compatibile one
[05:40] <ximal> which on e? medibutnu.org ?
[05:41] <contrast83> ximal: I realize that, and I'm not faulting you for it. Just saying you'd probably get better responses in a room geared towards general Ubuntu use (e.g., #ubuntu). Not trying to be a d__k or anything. :-)
[05:41] <ximal> hey mike.. ever heard of firefox ? and just right clicking the image and clicking VIEW IMAGE ?
[05:42] <ximal> your not ... trast.. ur cool m8
[05:43] <m1ke> ximal, yes, but it is not efficient if I want to save say 100 picutres
[05:43] <kingrayray> there is always the DownThemAll! extension for Firefox
[05:43] <contrast83> m1ke: downThemAll extension?
[05:43] <kingrayray> hehehehe
[05:43] <contrast83> heh
[05:44] <contrast83> m1ke: or are the pictures you're wanting embedded within html pages?
[05:44] <Sivananda> contrast83: re your comment on possible corrupt libc6 package, maybe I'm reading it wrong (not well-versed in these things), but the error message seems to indicate an issue involving a dpkg parse error in file/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0003. Isn't that a dpkg file, not a libc6 file?
[05:45] <DanaG> Argh, Virtualbox is bugged -- it doesn't work unless I disable one core on the host.
[05:45] <m1ke> embeded,  Pretty much to be honestly with you I wanted to rip some pr0n sites like http://www.bestbosoms.com/ .   But not the whole site just the galleries I chose.  Hopefully I dont get shunned for being honest.
[05:45] <contrast83> Sivananda: Ahh, I see. My fault, I missed the name of the file earlier.
[05:46] <contrast83> m1ke: No shunning from me, although I'd say the mod's probably frown upon posting links to pr0n sites in here. ;-)
[05:46] <Sivananda> contrast83: no worries. It seems odd to me that the error message indicates a 'trimmed' version of what's actually present in the file. Perhaps a clue?
[05:46] <contrast83> m1ke: /join #contrast83 and i'll walk you through how i get that done
[05:47] <Vuen> just get httrack. done.
[05:47] <Calicoo> Can someone help me with BusyBox and how to boot to the desktop?
[05:47] <contrast83> Sivananda: Maybe. I'm no expert though. My interest is piqued though.
[05:47] <Dr_willis> Calicoo,  why are you doing that with busybox?
[05:48] <Sivananda> ANybody else report any issues with the latest dpkg perchance?
[05:49] <Calicoo> Dr. willis, I don't know. >.> I upgraded a couple days ago, then today I updated, rebooted, and it thrust me into BusyBox. I've never seen it before now.
[05:49] <contrast83> Calicoo: nVidia?
[05:49] <Calicoo> Yes.
[05:49] <Calicoo> But it was working fine all day yesterday. :/
[05:50] <contrast83> Calicoo: Do you get a chance to get to the GRUB menu before you get to BusyBox?
[05:50] <Calicoo> It was just after I updated that it did this.
[05:50] <Calicoo> Yes.
[05:50] <Sivananda> contrast83: Anybody else report any issues with the latest dpkg perchance?
[05:51] <DanaG> Gaah, I have to hit my brightness key 5 times before I reach the next brightness level.
[05:52] <Calicoo> I've tried running an earlier kernal, but that didn't help.
[05:52] <contrast83> Calicoo: when you get to that menu, choose recovery mode, and once you get to a prompt, do "sudo apt-get reinstall linux-restricted-modules-generic-2.6.22-12 nvidia-glx" (or nvidia-glx-new/legacy depending on your card)
[05:52] <Calicoo> 7800?
[05:52] <contrast83> nvidia-glx-new
[05:53] <Aishiko> I can't use the nvidia drivers it causes a system crash when I do in usually 30 mins but some times as soon as 5 minutes and and hour or so on the outside
[05:53] <Aishiko> I have a 5500 and was using the new
[05:55] <Calicoo> Thanks. Here to hoping that solves the problem.
[05:55] <Calicoo> Here's*
[05:57] <Sivananda> SO... nobody has any ideas on what might be causing this error when I attempt to run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' ==>> "
[05:57] <Sivananda> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0003' near line 2 package `libc6':
[05:57] <Sivananda>  `triggers-pendi' is not allowed for third (status) word in `status' field
[05:58] <Sivananda> Would it help if I pastebin a cat of the file mentioned?
[05:58] <jewbilee> I've read the restricted format thing for playing mp3's but still cant figure out how to go about using it
[05:58] <DanaG> Updated my bug description:
[05:59] <DanaG> bug 121833
[05:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[05:59] <KevlarSoul> Okay I installed the Alternate CD without a hitch, or so the percentage bars and reboot prompt told me....when I rebooted, grub is fine, but then black screen...is there a way I can get into the terminal and update the installation?
[06:00] <jewbilee> Can someone help me install mp3 support really quickly?
[06:00] <Dr_willis> jewbilee,  for what program? it can depend. :)
[06:00] <jewbilee> Amarok
[06:00] <jewbilee> in gnome (i know its for kde)
[06:00] <Dr_willis> jewbilee,  normally theres just some specific packages ya need to install.  I thouhhg amarok asked to isntall the codecs the first time its ran/plays a mp3
[06:00] <jewbilee> yea
[06:00] <jewbilee> but that didnt work
[06:01] <KevlarSoul> Is there a way to get to terminal from the ALternate CD install screen, and get it to install the updates from online?
[06:01] <Dr_willis> I do think the #kubuntu homepage/faq states exctly what package to install for mp3 support in amarok.
[06:01] <Dr_willis> oops the "Kubuntu" homepage. :)
[06:01] <Aishiko> amarok is a lousy program same for rythm-box
[06:01] <Dr_willis> Aishiko,  how insightfull...
[06:01] <jewbilee> which do you recommend?
[06:01] <DanaG> There's nothing quite so jarring as having your LCD go *BLINK*BLINK*BLINK* at you when you've left the laptop idle.
[06:01] <Dr_willis> Ive been testing out the BMPx program lately myself.
[06:02] <Dr_willis> !info bmpx
[06:02] <ubotu> bmpx: Beep Media Player eXperimental. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.40.0~rc3-1build1 (gutsy), package size 2999 kB, installed size 9264 kB
[06:03] <Aishiko> willis to each their own, but those 2 are lousy, I rate them right there with m$ stuff
[06:05] <Dr_willis> check out http://www.songbirdnest.com/
[06:05] <jewbilee> despite your review of them being "lousy" i am still partial myself to Amarok
[06:05] <jewbilee> ive gotten mp3 support for rhythmbox but for some reason Amarok still will not load them
[06:05] <kingrayray> amarok needs the xine package for mp3 support iirc
[06:06] <KevlarSoul> Okay I installed the Alternate CD without a hitch, or so the percentage bars and reboot prompt told me....when I rebooted, grub is fine, but then black screen...is there a way I can get into the terminal and update the installation?
[06:06] <bazhang> have to reboot new kernel, back soon (I hope)
[06:06] <Dr_willis> I got a list of my tunes.. i hit play... i minimize it.. :0
[06:06] <Dr_willis> heh.
[06:06] <Dr_willis> let it run for days on end.
[06:07] <kingrayray> Dr_willis: i use mpc, i dont even have anything minimized
[06:07] <kingrayray> hooray for daemons
[06:07] <vasuvi> KelvarSoul: Does the problem happen right away, after the kernel is loaded, or later, when X tries to load?
[06:08] <Dr_willis> kingrayray,  thats a tool i need to look into some time.
[06:08] <contrast83> kingrayray: Did you try installing kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[06:09] <Dr_willis> kubuntu-restricted-extras is a top 10 - Installed as soon as ya get the system booted package. for me. :)
[06:09] <Dr_willis> making a list of all the ones i always isntall.
[06:09] <KevlarSoul> vasuvi right away...
[06:09] <Calicoo> I tried reinstall but it didn't recognize it, so I did install. It said it installed. I did startx and it gave me this error: Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible Nvidia driver not found) xinit: Connection to x server lost. FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/shar/fonts/x11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.
[06:10] <KevlarSoul> vasuvi I dont understand the alternate installation went "perfectly"
[06:10] <KevlarSoul> vasuvi and even though the screen is dark, i still hear the hard drive "working"
[06:10] <bazhang> jewbilee: did you get mp3s going yet?
[06:11] <KevlarSoul> Is there an issue with 64bit systems and 8800 GTX?
[06:11] <kingrayray> contrast83: i don't use kubuntu, i just remember toying with amarok earlier. i believe it's in a xine package though. i'll check
[06:12] <gib> Is sis chipset support for ide broken?  I tried to install gutsy on an sis630e based system.  The live CD boots, when I try to install to install to the HD, I can't get past step seven, because the partitioner does not see any partions.  It tells me to pick a partition, but it doesn't show any to choose from.
[06:12] <KevlarSoul> vasuvi right away
[06:13] <jewbilee> I'm trying to remove Amarok for Add/Remove applications and whenever I click the check mark to uninstall it, it says that one or more application depends on it and that i need to use the Synaptic package manager to remove it but I thought I was, what do i do
[06:13] <vasuvi> KevlarSoul: Sorry, was afk there
[06:13] <gib> I manually created the partitions with gparted, and retried, and it still doesn't show any, so I guessing the Gutsy kernel doesn't have drivers for sis hd controller in it for some reason.
[06:14] <gib> It worked previously with Feisty.
[06:14] <vasuvi> KevlarSoul: Have you tried removing splash and silent from your boot options?
[06:14] <KevlarSoul> vasuvi no!
[06:14] <KevlarSoul> is that done with F6?
[06:15] <vasuvi> KevlarSoul: Try that first; remove anything that implies splash, silent, or the like
[06:15] <KevlarSoul> okay
[06:15] <Lilacor> hmmm....don't run gutsy eh?
[06:15] <vasuvi> KevlarSoul: Either at the grub prompt, press 'E' to edit, then edit it out at the line there
[06:16] <KevlarSoul> ahh okay off to try it then, thanks
[06:16] <vasuvi> KevlarSoul: Or edit /boot/grub/menu.lst on your Ubuntu partition from another Linux distro or from a live CD
[06:16] <gib> It runs the live cd, but won't install because it doesn't seem to see the HD.
[06:16] <KevlarSoul> ahh okay
[06:16] <vasuvi> KevlarSoul: (You'll have to be root or sudo to do the latter of course)
[06:16] <KevlarSoul> ahh okay sudo
[06:17] <Calicoo> Ccontrast still in here?
[06:17] <gib> Anyone else using a mb with a sis 630e chipset?
[06:18] <ximal> hmm
[06:18] <ximal> screw it
[06:18] <ximal> what could it hurt..
[06:18] <ximal> i'm going to try and redo the partitions with an i386 cd
[06:19] <ximal> and then TRY to update
[06:19] <ximal> wish me luck guys ... see you tomorrow sometime when i'm cursing gutsy ! lol
[06:19] <Calicoo> Good luck.
[06:20] <DanaG> Argh, I hate how Virtualbox randomly aborts.
[06:21] <vmlinuz`> everytime i try to install a perl module, it gives an error. http://pastebin.com/m388db756
[06:22] <kazmosik> ok i go to network tools
[06:22] <vasuvi> sounds like a permissions problem; you probably have to do it as root (*cough*sudo su*cough*)
[06:23] <hydrogen> dood
[06:23] <hydrogen> lurn2sudo
[06:23] <kazmosik> and in the device box i got ethernet interface (eth 0), eth0, and lo
[06:25] <Calicoo> I'd reinstall, but I'm afraid I won't be able to get on the internet if I do. When I first installed Feisty Fawn I had to download something (and I can't remember what it was) to get my card to be recognized.
[06:25] <vmlinuz`> same thing vasuvi
[06:25] <m1ke> contrast83, check out http://www.vowsoft.com/index.htm for picaloader
[06:26] <vmlinuz`> vasuvi: last few lines from doing it as root. http://pastebin.com/m6a3ca2e
[06:26] <contrast83> kingrayray: Yuck. But thanks anyway. :-)
[06:26] <contrast83> err, sorry. that was meant for m1ke
[06:27] <kingrayray> contrast83: lol
[06:27] <bazhang> jewbilee: you all sorted out now?
[06:27] <kingrayray> lmao
[06:27] <clusty> j #bash
[06:27] <vmlinuz`> hydrogen: there check what happen when i do it with sudo http://pastebin.com/m6a3ca2e
[06:27] <Calicoo> Contrast, I tried reinstall but it didn't recognize it, so I did install. It said it installed. I did startx and it gave me this error: Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible Nvidia driver not found) xinit: Connection to x server lost. FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/shar/fonts/x11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.
[06:27] <m1ke> contrast83, is that a bad app?
[06:28] <vasuvi> vmlinuz`: hmm...
[06:28] <DanaG> Gaack, I just got an oops in snd-emu10k1!
[06:28] <contrast83> m1ke: well, it only runs on a bad OS, so i'll never know. :-P
[06:28] <DanaG> Aaaugh.
[06:29] <contrast83> Calicoo: ohh. well, what video driver *were* you using before?
[06:29] <contrast83> Calicoo: and did you reinstall linux-restricted-modules-generic-2.6.22-12?
[06:29] <tekhawk> anyone here willing to help a friend get his wirless working i don tknow anything about these on linux
[06:29] <vasuvi> vmlinuz`: I know a bit of Perl, but am far from a Perl expert.  Not sure if that's a distro/packaging bug, and upstream bug, or user error at this point
[06:30] <jewbilee> Hi, I just installed 7.10 on External USB Drive.  Whenever I boot the computer up, with the drive on, Grub loads fine and I can chose to boot Vista or Ubuntu.  If the USB drive is off though, I get a grub error 21 and have no choices to boot... I need to be able to boot with the USB Drive off as my computer is a laptop, any help?
[06:30] <dmb> i'm guessing 2.6.23 isn't going in the next version of ubuntu?
[06:30] <contrast83> jewbilee: Someone correct me if need be here, but I think you'll need to reinstall, and put GRUB on its own partition on the internal hard drive
[06:31] <kingrayray> yeah, on the master boot record
[06:31] <jewbilee> How do I go about doing that?
[06:31] <Calicoo> Um, I was using the one from the drop-down menu in the video card dialog box. I don't really remember what it was. I'm not being much help, eh.
[06:31] <DanaG> Got kernel panic?
[06:31] <DanaG> I just did.
[06:31] <jewbilee> I was never given a choice as to how to put it onto its on partition
[06:31] <vasuvi> jewbilee: You can probably just reinstall GRUB, without messing with everything else, if the problem is that GRUB is on the USB drive
[06:32] <contrast83> Calicoo: you choose "manual" at the partitioning step and set aside a partition for it
[06:32] <jewbilee> Im not sure where grub is, I mean, it still laods if the drive is off so I'm assuming its on my main HDD inside the laptop
[06:32] <vmlinuz`> vasuvi: how do i check if i already have a perl module installed or not?
[06:32] <bazhang> jewbilee: the external drive has to be on for the computer to recognize it at start up
[06:32] <contrast83> Calicoo: no problems. i would imagine it's the same as what i'm using (nvidia-glx-new), as i've got a 7600
[06:32] <Calicoo> Contrast, jewbilee you mean?
[06:32] <contrast83> Calicoo: sorry
[06:33] <contrast83> man, i need sleep. heh
[06:33] <vasuvi> jewbilee: Try running sudo grub-install /dev/sda or sudo grub-install /dev/hda, depending on what your hard-drive is referred to as
[06:33] <Calicoo> Don't let me keep you up.
[06:33] <dmb> i'm guessing 2.6.23 isn't going in the next version of ubuntu?
[06:33] <jewbilee> bazhang: yes, the drive must be on or else my computer hangs at error 21
[06:33] <jmg> dmb: no, it will be in hardy
[06:33] <SkinnyPuppy1334> Anyone else running Gutsy have your VMware Server quit working since recent updates?
[06:33] <vasuvi> vmlinuz`: perl -e 'use module_name_here'
[06:33] <dmb> ok
[06:34] <vmlinuz`> vasuvi: thanks
[06:34] <vasuvi> vmlinuz`: np
[06:34] <contrast83> Calicoo: not at all. so were you able to reinstall the linux-restricted-modules package?
[06:35] <Calicoo> I didn't try that. Brb.
[06:35] <contrast83> Calicoo: *actually*, nevermind all that. sorry, try just rebooting, and when you get to the grub menu, tell me how many kernel versions you see listed
[06:36] <Calicoo> I think 3.
[06:36] <Calicoo> 6 incl recovery.
[06:36] <contrast83> Calicoo: try the one that's one less than the latest version. should be 2.6.22-12 iirc
[06:37] <Calicoo> I did before. It does the same as the latest. :/
[06:37] <contrast83> Calicoo: just goes to busybox?
[06:38] <cblack0> can anyone tell me what the server metapackage is (in terms of the equiv of ubuntu-desktop). Is it just linux-image-server?
[06:38] <jewbilee> vasuvi: im a little confused
[06:38] <cblack0> I am trying to "enserverize" a machine that was installed via the desktop isntall cd
[06:38] <earlmred> heh 2.6.23 is out.
[06:38] <vasuvi> jewbilee: about what?
[06:38] <earlmred> guessing it's not making gutsy.
[06:38] <jewbilee> vasuvi: that grub command you gave me
[06:39] <earlmred> thinkpad-acpi: enable more hotkeys, add input device support to hotkey subdriver
[06:39] <jewbilee> im not sure what the path for that harddrive is
[06:39] <jewbilee> how do i find it out
[06:39] <Calicoo> Contrast: And then one before that it shows a login name prompt. I entered it then my password, but it didn't go any further than that and the screen went blank while it was asking me for my uname and pw. I ctrl+alt+backspaced and it came back on but would go out again.
[06:39] <earlmred> damn.
[06:39] <earlmred> guess i'll have to compile myself if i want it
[06:39] <contrast83> hmm... i've got a thinkpad and *all* my hotkeys work.
[06:39] <contrast83> then again, that's not very many on this old r32. :-P
[06:39] <vasuvi> jewbilee: Can you pastebin (i.e.: at http://www.pastebin.ca ) the result of running 'df -h' (assuming you're in Linux now)?
[06:40] <jewbilee> it says command not found
[06:40] <DanaG> Anybody else having buggy brightness control?
[06:40] <DanaG> bug 121833
[06:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[06:41] <jewbilee> oh wait
[06:41] <jewbilee> here we go
[06:41] <vasuvi> jewbilee: Now that's very, very odd. df is standard on every single Linux distro I know of, and is certainly in Gutsy.  You are doing it from a terminal, right?
[06:41] <jewbilee> http://www.pastebin.ca/731557
[06:41] <vasuvi> jewbilee: heh, that's better ;)
[06:41] <jewbilee> ive got it installed on my USB External
[06:41] <contrast83> DanaG: i was fortunate enough to miss that one.
[06:42] <contrast83> DanaG: possible workaround - did you check in your bios to see if there are any options for setting the screen brightness from there?
[06:42] <vasuvi> jewbilee: Now check, in Nautilus, Konqueror, Dolphin, or whatever your favorite file manager is: is /dev/sda1 on your internal notebook drive or on your external drive?
[06:43] <vasuvi> jewbilee: Make that /media/sda1
[06:43] <genii> Just did upgrade from Tribe4. Compiz was working under 2.6.22-11 but -14 seems to have messed it up again. Some issue with restricted drivers?
[06:43] <genii> (KDE 3.5.7)
[06:43] <contrast83> genii: card/rendering method?
[06:43] <jewbilee> i dont know how to check that
[06:44] <jewbilee> no
[06:44] <jewbilee> wait
[06:44] <vasuvi> jewbilee: There's got to be some way to tell.  You put the files on your external drive yourself, presumably.  So you should be able to recognize some of them.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> genii: do you have the restricted modules installed?
[06:44] <jewbilee> no, /media/sda1 is my Recovery partition from my manu.
[06:44] <vasuvi> jewbilee: Ah, ok
[06:44] <genii> contrast83: 7600 GT, rendering dunno
[06:44] <jewbilee> sda2 is my VistaOS partition
[06:44] <genii> Hobbsee: Yes
[06:45] <jewbilee> sda3 is my data partition
[06:45] <jewbilee> all of those are on one drive
[06:45] <vasuvi> jewbilee: So all of /media/sda[x]  are on your laptop itself then, right?
[06:45] <jewbilee> yea
[06:45] <jewbilee> those i know for sure
[06:45] <contrast83> genii: i've got the 7600gs, i couldn't even do a normal boot. had to stop grub at the menu and tell it to load the older kernel. restricted-modules doesn't seem to be working with the latest one on nVidia.
[06:46] <vasuvi> jewbilee: Then you naturally won't be able to boot without your external drive attached; you installed Linux (your / partition) on your external drive ;)
[06:46] <jewbilee> thats what i wanted
[06:46] <Calicoo> Contrast and you others that helped: Thanks for the effort. I appreciate it immensely. It's kinda late here and I have school tomorrow. See ya later.
[06:46] <jewbilee> but the thing is
[06:46] <jewbilee> well
[06:46] <jewbilee> can i uninstall grub
[06:46] <jewbilee> and just boot from my external when i want to run ubuntu
[06:46] <jewbilee> the problem is, when my external isnt connected, ill want to boot to windows, but i wont be able to because of this error
[06:47] <vasuvi> jewbilee: Yeah, by overwriting grub with Vista's boot-loader (not sure exactly how to do that, ask on ##windows )
[06:47] <DanaG> The thing is, the brightness control was fine until the kernel and HAL were changed.
[06:47] <DanaG> Then it broke.
[06:47] <contrast83> Calicoo: no problem. good luck.
[06:47] <vasuvi> jewbilee: The question then is: will your BIOS allow you to boot to an external USB drive?
[06:47] <vasuvi> jewbilee: (With mine, I just have to type F12 at the POST screen, for instance, and it will give me a menu)
[06:48] <jewbilee> yea
[06:48] <jewbilee> i can hit esc
[06:48] <genii> contrast83: Newest kernel booted fine. Video defaulted to vesa, 640x480. Used restricted manager to set up series 7 geforce tho it seems to think 256K is the ram whereas its 256Mb. Inserted proper VideoRam option in xorg
[06:48] <jewbilee> and chose what to boot from
[06:48] <jewbilee> and USB comes up
[06:48] <jewbilee> so thats not an issue
[06:48] <vasuvi> jewbilee: oh, and now we know exactly where you want to install GRUB (on the boot sector of your external drive)
[06:48] <jewbilee> ?
[06:48] <vasuvi> jewbilee: so try running: sudo grub-install /dev/sdb
[06:49] <vasuvi> That will install GRUB on your external drive, so when you hit Escape and boot from the USB drive, there will be something to boot from ;)
[06:49] <vasuvi> (sounds like it's on your internal drive now)
[06:49] <genii> contrast83: compizz --replace, emerald --replace apparently successfully completed
[06:49] <jewbilee> alright
[06:49] <jewbilee> now what
[06:49] <contrast83> genii: works now?
[06:49] <vasuvi> Did it work?
[06:49] <jewbilee> i think so?
[06:49] <genii> contrast83: Not with compiz
[06:49] <jewbilee> there were no errors
[06:50] <vasuvi> good, so Part 1 of 2 is done
[06:50] <genii> contrast83: No errors, just no effects,cube etc
[06:50] <contrast83> genii: titlebars still there?
[06:50] <vasuvi> jewbilee: you might want to verify that by rebooting from the USB drive (with the Escape method) before wiping out the GRUB on your internal drive
[06:50] <genii> contrast83: Yup
[06:50] <jewbilee> ok
[06:50] <jewbilee> wait
[06:51] <vasuvi> jewbilee: Then ask the nice folks on ##windows how to reinstall the Vista boot-loader, and your should be all set
[06:51] <jewbilee> oh, nvm
[06:51] <jewbilee> ok
[06:51] <jewbilee> thanks
[06:51] <contrast83> genii: then most likely compiz *is* running
[06:51] <jewbilee> ill be back in a bit hopefully if it works
[06:51] <vasuvi> glad to help :)
[06:51] <genii> contrast83: Maybe i need to tweak something regarding DRI
[06:51] <contrast83> genii: do menus, tooltips, etc. fade in/out more smoothly?
[06:52] <contrast83> genii: shouldn't need to do any of that
[06:52] <contrast83> genii: pastebin your xorg.conf, will ya?
[06:52] <genii> contrast83: hangon a bit :)
[06:53] <jimmacdonald> How do I change themes in emerald?
[06:53] <bazhang> jimmacdonald: emerald-theme-manager
[06:54] <jimmacdonald> got that.. .I am emerald themer now... I can't see how to change the themes
[06:54] <jewbilee> vasuvi: I was not able to boot that way
[06:54] <genii> bah DNS seems screwy tho i got here somehow
[06:54] <jewbilee> grub loaded, but when I chose Ubuntu, it stayed at grub and gave me an error
[06:55] <earlmred> jewbilee, what error
[06:55] <bazhang> jimmacdonald: I believe you need to download them, then through the manager switch them in; not sure about where they are on the internet--I just go with the default for now
[06:55] <earlmred> genii, use opendns.
[06:55] <jewbilee> i dont remember
[06:55] <earlmred> jewbilee, can't help you
[06:55] <genii> contrast83: gimme a minute need to insert some root DNS servers
[06:55] <Lilacor> how do I enable vmware paravirtual kernel support?
[06:55] <earlmred> jewbilee, try update-grub i guess
[06:55] <mzuverink> when opening firefox, the screen turns black temporarily when compiz is enabled, any way to fix that?
[06:55] <genii> OK got it
[06:56] <jewbilee> earl: ill be right back with the error if it happens again
[06:56] <genii> contrast83: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40127/
[06:57] <contrast83> mzuverink: i'm 99% sure there's not.
[06:57] <contrast83> mzuverink: nvidia?
[06:57] <mzuverink> contrast83, intel
[06:58] <mzuverink> contrast83, damn ugly
[06:58] <mzuverink> contrast83, actually, compiz setting clone output fixed it...
[06:58] <contrast83> genii: you should only use that VideoRam line if it's an integrated card. i know you said it's saying the wrong amount for your card, but there should be a better way around it than that.
[06:59] <contrast83> mzuverink: note taken. :-)
[06:59] <genii> contrast83: Interestingly I'm not using any resolutions currently in there but rather 1920x1440 actually, and specified my actual monitor (CRT) an IBM p200
[07:00] <Luke> my girlfriend is running gutsy and every time she updates some packages (i'm not sure which) her X stops working because of sync/resolution problems. she's got a dell inspiron laptop w/ ati graphics
[07:00] <Luke> anyone know of any fixes for this?
[07:00] <earlmred> Luke, keep a copy of her xorg.conf and copy it back after updates?
[07:00] <Luke> earlmred: I had her update with a backup and it didnt fix
[07:01] <Luke> earlmred: i'm not even sure it's overwriting
[07:01] <jewbilee> earl: I got the error.  Its Error 17: Cannont mount Selected Partition
[07:01] <earlmred> jewbilee, did you do update-grub ?
[07:01] <jewbilee> yes
[07:01] <jewbilee> before i rebooted
[07:02] <contrast83> genii: Start out by running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and going through the steps there to make a real xorg.conf - that one you have now is just a failsafe one.
[07:02] <earlmred> jewbilee, you can boot in the older kernel, but not the newer one?
[07:02] <genii> contrast83: Heh. OK, seeya in a few then
[07:02] <jewbilee> nope
[07:02] <jewbilee> neither 14 nor 12
[07:02] <jewbilee> nor any of my windows partitions
[07:03] <earlmred> jewbilee, how are you booting?
[07:03] <jewbilee> USB Drive
[07:03] <jewbilee> i installed ubuntu on my usb drive
[07:03] <jewbilee> i have winodws on my main drive
[07:03] <jewbilee> grub overwrote my vista bootloader
[07:03] <jewbilee> and now if i dont have my usb drive on, i cant boot into windows becuase i get a grub error 21
[07:03] <jewbilee> and im trying to fix that
[07:04] <vasuvi> jewbilee: ok, I have an idea
[07:04] <jewbilee> ok
[07:04] <earlmred> jewbilee, grub is your primary boot loader?
[07:04] <jewbilee> apparently
[07:04] <jewbilee> if i boot from my main harddrive, not pressing any buttons
[07:04] <jewbilee> grub comes up
[07:04] <contrast83> vasuvi: can't he just reinstall, manually do the partitions and set /boot to be on its own partition on the internal drive?
[07:04] <jewbilee> both ubuntu and windows work fine that way
[07:05] <jewbilee> but if my USB drive is off, grub gets error 21 and i cant boot at all
[07:05] <earlmred> sounds like your grub is pointing to the wrong /dev
[07:05] <vasuvi> I wonder if GRUB thinks that (hd0) is your internal partition when you boot from the internal drive, but (hd0) is your external drive when you boot from it
[07:05] <vasuvi> contrast83: I don't think letting /boot be its own partition has anything to do with it
[07:05] <jewbilee> i have no idea
[07:05] <jewbilee> all im trying to be able to do is boot vista by default
[07:05] <jewbilee> and if i want to use ubuntu, then chose to boot from my USB and have that launch grub or ubuntu
[07:06] <vasuvi> jewbilee: that's issue #2, we still have to get issue #1 first
[07:06] <contrast83> vasuvi: if the partition /boot is on is on a disconnected hard drive?
[07:06] <jewbilee> ok
[07:06] <earlmred> jewbilee, i'd start by booting off your vista cd, putting it's bootloader on, and then putting grub on over top of that from a livecd
[07:06] <earlmred> or press e in grub
[07:06] <level1> knetworkmanager is deleting mac addresses from knetworkmanagerrc
[07:06] <earlmred> and you can edit which devices it's pointing at
[07:06] <level1> like, there were there befor and now they are gone
[07:07] <earlmred> get the partition names from your usb boot
[07:07] <vasuvi> contrast83: actually, if /boot is on the *internal* drive that might solve it too, but that would involve not only a reinstall, but partitioning.  If he has Vista installed, I wouldn't want to risk it just to make booting slightly more convenient.
[07:07] <earlmred> jewbilee, http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/GRUB_error_17_after_kernel_update
[07:08] <vasuvi> jewbilee: I'd fire up an editor for /boot/grub/menu.lst (with sudo of course), then add another couple stanzas
[07:08] <jewbilee> what do you mean add another couple stanzas
[07:08] <vasuvi> jewbilee: another couple boot options
[07:08] <Dr_willis> a 'block' of  lines that define a menu entry. :)
[07:09] <Dr_willis> stanza/paragraph/block
[07:09] <vasuvi> jewbilee: the same as the two normal Ubuntu boot options (normal and safe mode), but with one important difference
[07:09] <jewbilee> ive got menu.lst opened with gedit
[07:09] <vasuvi> jewbilee: change all occurances of "(hd0" to "(hd1" in the copy
[07:09] <jewbilee> what do i need to do
[07:10] <vasuvi> jewbilee: (don't change the originals yet, just in case!)
[07:10] <jewbilee> ok
[07:10] <jewbilee> what should i do
[07:10] <vasuvi> want to pastbin your menu.lst?  I can make the changes for you if you want
[07:10] <jewbilee> yes
[07:10] <jewbilee> please
[07:10] <jewbilee> whats the pastebin link again?
[07:10] <vasuvi> http://pastebin.ca/
[07:10] <earlmred> www.rafb.net/paste
[07:11] <earlmred> boo canadian pastebin
[07:11] <vasuvi> yeah, there are a lot of them ;)
[07:11] <jewbilee> http://pastebin.ca/731577
[07:12] <earlmred> those root entries don't seem right
[07:12] <earlmred> hd(0,0) for vista ..
[07:12] <earlmred> hd(1,1) for ubuntu
[07:12] <earlmred> do you have two separate drives?
[07:12] <jewbilee> yes
[07:12] <jewbilee> one interal
[07:12] <jewbilee> with vista
[07:12] <jewbilee> one external
[07:12] <jewbilee> with ubuntu
[07:12] <earlmred> oh.
[07:12] <vasuvi> You normally boot from the first option, right?
[07:12] <KevlarSoul> What is the command to start terminal?
[07:12] <jewbilee> well
[07:12] <KevlarSoul> after Grub?
[07:12] <jewbilee> before tonight
[07:12] <jewbilee> i only had vista
[07:13] <jewbilee> but yes, im using the 1st option, 14-generic
[07:13] <vasuvi> ok, I changed it (added a couple more, actually)
[07:13] <KevlarSoul> What is the command to start terminal? after grub? I started the recovery version of the kernel, but I coudlnt get internet access that way when I tried to sudo apt-get update
[07:13] <jewbilee> ok
[07:13] <nemik> so any huge problems with new kernel upgrade? safe to do?
[07:13] <vasuvi> it's at http://pastebin.ca/731580
[07:14] <KevlarSoul> vasuvi
[07:14] <earlmred> lol nice, grub removed my entry for windows.
[07:14] <earlmred> bastard.
[07:14] <jewbilee> is it safe to overwrite my current menu.lst?
[07:14] <jewbilee> with what you provided?
[07:14] <vasuvi> jewbilee: just to make sure, you got the new one at http://pastebin.ca/731580 .  Anyway, be careful, with that one, the first two now *assume* that you're booting directly from the external
[07:15] <jewbilee> yea
[07:15] <jewbilee> alright
[07:15] <jewbilee> so...
[07:15] <vasuvi> jewbilee: So if you boot from your main hard drive, use the third
[07:15] <jewbilee> wait
[07:15] <jewbilee> the 3rd is still ubuntu
[07:15] <vasuvi> jewbilee: And yes, it should be safe; I did not remove any boot options, I merely added two more
[07:15] <earlmred> heh crap
[07:15] <earlmred> this looks bad..
[07:15] <earlmred> /dev/sda1               1         243     1951866   83  Linux
[07:15] <earlmred> /dev/sda2             244         486     1951897+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[07:15] <earlmred> /dev/sda3   *         487       19330   151364430   83  Linux
[07:15] <bazhang> nemik: all went swimmingly, though I had to do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --install-recommended (something like that iirc) to get the kernel that was being held back--this is feeling more and more like a final release.
[07:16] <vasuvi> jewbilee: yes, the only difference between the first two and the second two are (hd0,1) instead of (hd1,1) ;)
[07:16] <vasuvi> jewbilee: that's it
[07:16] <jewbilee> well what happens when my USB drive isnt plugged in?
[07:16] <jewbilee> will grub still work?
[07:16] <KevlarSoul> I can get the recovery kernel to load, and I can login, but I cant get it to upgrade
[07:16] <KevlarSoul> update
[07:16] <nemik> bazhang: nice. updating now
[07:16] <earlmred> wtfbbq...
[07:16] <KevlarSoul> WHen I do apt-get update, it doesnt read the internet
[07:16] <earlmred> Nr AF  Hd Sec  Cyl  Hd Sec  Cyl     Start      Size ID
[07:16] <earlmred>  1 00   1   1    0 254  63  242         63    3903732 83
[07:16] <earlmred>  2 00   0   1  243 254  63  485    3903795    3903795 82
[07:16] <earlmred>  3 80   0   1  486 254  63 1023    7807590  302728860 83
[07:16] <earlmred>  4 00   0   0    0   0   0    0          0          0 00
[07:16] <nemik> so no 2.6.23 for sure this release? damn it was just done today
[07:16] <vasuvi> jewbilee: no, you're going to want to reinstall the Vista bootloader
[07:16] <jewbilee> alright
[07:16] <vasuvi> jewbilee: that's Part 2
[07:16] <jewbilee> so
[07:16] <bazhang> nemik: let me know if you have any issues
[07:16] <KevlarSoul> how do I get it to access the internet in recovery mode?
[07:16] <earlmred> KevlarSoul, you lost the internets?
[07:16] <jewbilee> for right now
[07:16] <jewbilee> i need to reboot
[07:16] <jewbilee> boot from USB
[07:16] <KevlarSoul> lol
[07:17] <vasuvi> yup, see if that works
[07:17] <jewbilee> and use the 1st choice
[07:17] <nemik> bazhang: cool, gonna restart soon. thanks
[07:17] <jewbilee> to see if it work
[07:17] <jewbilee> alright
[07:17] <jewbilee> brb
[07:17] <vasuvi> yup
[07:17] <KevlarSoul> the sudo apt-get update tries to go to all the sites to get the update, but it wont access the internet
[07:17] <KevlarSoul> through recovery from Grub
[07:17] <earlmred> KevlarSoul, can you axs the internet period?
[07:18] <KevlarSoul> not through recovery
[07:18] <KevlarSoul> it read the internet during alternate install just fine
[07:18] <KevlarSoul> alternate CD install
[07:18] <KevlarSoul> I tried to boot and got a blank screen after some text after Grub
[07:19] <KevlarSoul> So I am trying to update it from command prompt
[07:19] <genii> Ok, reconfigured xorg once more. conf now has proper monitor i'm actually using and default non-proprietary nv driver. Compiz still seems stubborn however.
[07:19] <jewbilee> vasuvi
[07:19] <jewbilee> you're a godsend
[07:19] <jewbilee> that worked
[07:19] <jewbilee> booting from the USB drive
[07:19] <KevlarSoul> I cant even get terminal directly, I dont know how, I press the recovery kernel option
[07:20] <KevlarSoul> is that why internet doesnt work, because its the recovery kernel?
[07:20] <MrKeuner_> hi, I am trying to connect a pda (palm m100) to gutsy using irda connection. I can irdaping to the device and can dump the stuff using irdadump however, using gnome-pilot I could not setup the device. How can I find which /dev/it is using?
[07:20] <vasuvi> jewbilee: glad it worked :)  heaven knows I've had to repair GRUB enough times ;)
[07:20] <genii> The new xorg.conf, for the interested http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40128/
[07:20] <jewbilee> haha
[07:20] <jewbilee> alright
[07:21] <jewbilee> so is it safe to remove the options below that one?
[07:21] <vasuvi> yes
[07:21] <jewbilee> in /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[07:21] <vasuvi> actually, leave the first two
[07:21] <jewbilee> ?
[07:21] <vasuvi> (the second one is the recovery version of the first)
[07:21] <jewbilee> yea
[07:21] <jewbilee> i know that
[07:21] <jewbilee> but i can remove the other 14's, the 12's, and the vistas?
[07:21] <vasuvi> then you know what it's safe to do ;)
[07:21] <nemik> bazhang: nice. update seems fine
[07:22] <vasuvi> might want to leave the Vista, but change it to (hd1,1), and remove the other Vista
[07:22] <jewbilee> ok
[07:22] <bazhang> nemik: knock wood ;}
[07:22] <jewbilee> poop
[07:22] <jewbilee> i already erased and saved
[07:22] <bazhang> or just remove Vista?
[07:22] <vasuvi> no big deal
[07:22] <jewbilee> yea
[07:22] <jewbilee> so now
[07:22] <vasuvi> you're going to want to boot Vista from the internal hard drive anyway
[07:22] <jewbilee> all i need to do i reload the Vista bootloader from my Vista?
[07:22] <nemik> bazhang: srsly though this late in the game, i've seen much worse ;)
[07:23] <vasuvi> jewbilee: yup, sadly that I don't know how to do
[07:23] <jewbilee> alright
[07:23] <jewbilee> im sure i can find someone to help me
[07:23] <vasuvi> jewbilee: (if this were XP, I would, but not Vista...)
[07:23] <bazhang> nemik: seems pretty stable here; you?
[07:23] <jewbilee> I go to RIT so theres an endless supply of help
[07:23] <jewbilee> thanks a lot vasuvi
[07:23] <vasuvi> jewbilee: and just to be safe, try to do it with the USB drive unattached; you don't want it erasing the boot sector there too ;)  (not sure why it would, but this *is* Windows we're talking about)
[07:23] <jewbilee> yea
[07:23] <jewbilee> thanks a lot
[07:23] <jewbilee> i really appreciate it
[07:24] <nemik> bazhang: yea, it's great. though .12 was best for me. 13+ i started getting some random freezes. hope it goes away in .14
[07:24] <vasuvi> jewbilee: glad to help :)  pass it forward and all
[07:24] <vasuvi> jewbilee: (I've certainly asked for help too!)
[07:24] <bazhang> nemik: same here with .13
[07:24] <nemik> bazhang: really? random freeze too? ok so i'm not alone. i hope this new one then took care of it
[07:27] <KevlarSoul> How do I turn on internet access via terminal?
[07:27] <bazhang> nemik: sadly, yes; crazy-making with no clear cause (or at identifiable by me) though I suspect it was related to too much compiz-fusion madness..haha
[07:27] <uga> KevlarSoul: doing nothing, you can always do that
[07:27] <smacfarl> will 7.10 use the new 2.6.23 kernel?
[07:27] <jewbilee> uhhh vasuvi
[07:27] <jewbilee> more problems
[07:28] <kingrayray> KevlarSoul: using wired ethernet?
[07:28] <uga> KevlarSoul: if you mean start up networking just /etc/init.d/network start
[07:28] <jewbilee> when i boot straight from my laptops HDD, its the same options as booting from my USB dirve... just Ubuntu 14
[07:28] <smacfarl> i noticed it's only currently using 2.6.22-14
[07:28] <KevlarSoul> kingrayray yes
[07:28] <kingrayray> KevlarSoul: uga had it right :-)
[07:28] <KevlarSoul> uga i suppose, when I boot into terminal is that it?
[07:28] <uga> KevlarSoul: yes
[07:28] <uga> kingrayray: decoding certain questions is hard...
[07:29] <smacfarl> is there a better place to ask the kernel question?
[07:29] <KevlarSoul> uga then my sudo apt-get update can access the internet?
[07:29] <nemik> smacfarl: i don't think this release will get the new kernel. i'm 90% sure
[07:29] <uga> KevlarSoul: it should, yes
[07:29] <vasuvi> jewbilee: hmm; which boot menu option are you using to boot straight from your laptop's HDD?
[07:30] <jewbilee> Ubuntu kernel 2.6.22-14-generic
[07:30] <vasuvi> jewbilee: oh, that's right, you erased the other options, right? ;)
[07:30] <uga> KevlarSoul: that is, if the networking is properly configured and the router works as expected
[07:30] <uga> anyway, I got to go, cya...
[07:30] <jewbilee> yea
[07:30] <nemik> bazhang: do your freezes also mostly happen when idling or during screensaver? i think all of mine have been like that
[07:30] <KevlarSoul> uga it worked fine during alternate CD install...so
[07:30] <vasuvi> jewbilee: so unless you want to put back in the other options, now you *cannot* boot straight from the HDD until you reinstall the Vista boot loader
[07:31] <vasuvi> jewbilee: (if you do want to put back in the other options, I'd be glad to help you again)
[07:31] <smacfarl> nemik: Is it because it's too new? Will we get it in an update after 7.10 or do we have to wait for like 8.04?
[07:31] <jewbilee> well, is there a way to reinstall the bootloader from vista?
[07:31] <jewbilee> especially considering im on my external hdd?
[07:32] <bazhang> nemik: oddly enough, that was part of it (the idling I mean), and the other was when blogging, though the latter one is across all distros I use/have used of late.
[07:32] <vasuvi> jewbilee: From Vista, you might be able to use EasyBCD
[07:32] <jewbilee> is that for *nix?
[07:32] <vasuvi> jewbilee: (*might*; I'm not 100% sure)
[07:32] <vasuvi> jewbilee: nope, Windows-only
[07:32] <jewbilee> yea, id need to put the Vista boot option back into the boot list
[07:33] <vasuvi> jewbilee: ok, add this to your menu.lst and reboot from your HDD: http://pastebin.ca/731595
[07:34] <jewbilee> alright ill see what i can do
[07:34] <kingrayray> are pretty screenshots on topic? :-)
[07:34] <vasuvi> jewbilee: actually, wait a sec
[07:34] <jewbilee> how much longer will you be online?
[07:34] <jewbilee> ok
[07:35] <vasuvi> jewbilee: didn't you say the first partition was the recovery partition?
[07:35] <jewbilee> yea
[07:35] <vasuvi> jewbilee: then try http://pastebin.ca/731596 instead ;)
[07:35] <kingrayray> http://kingrayray.wallooza.org/Screenshot-1.png :O
[07:35] <vasuvi> jewbilee: I'll probably be on for another hour or so
[07:36] <jewbilee> alright
[07:36] <jewbilee> ill see wha ti can do
[07:36] <jewbilee> hopefully if i have any problems, they are quick and i can get bakc on
[07:36] <jewbilee> before you leave
[07:36] <vasuvi> kk, do you have an IRC client in Windows?  If not, I'd recommmend either using Pidgen or HydraIRC
[07:36] <jewbilee> i can get one
[07:36] <jewbilee> ive used them in the past
[07:37] <vasuvi> cool, just in case you need help while you're in there
[07:37] <jewbilee> alright
[07:37] <jewbilee> thanks
[07:37] <jewbilee> ill see what happens
[07:37] <vasuvi> good luck!
[07:42] <kingrayray> hehe
[07:42] <kingrayray> i like desktop plane personally
[07:42] <kingrayray> genii: did you see my screenshot :-)
[07:42] <genii> no, just got here :)
[07:42] <z0r> kingrayray: looks nice. Did you make the background?
[07:42] <kingrayray> z0r: no, found it on gnome look
[07:43] <kingrayray> genii: http://kingrayray.wallooza.org/Screenshot-1.png
[07:43] <nemik> kingrayray: massiv in mensch, nice
[07:43] <z0r> and is that pigin?
[07:43] <kingrayray> yes
[07:43] <z0r> groovy
[07:43] <kingrayray> werd
[07:43] <kingrayray> all thats missing is awm
[07:43] <kingrayray> but i will probably set it up tomorrow
[07:46] <jewbilee> vasuvi: everything works perfectly
[07:47] <vasuvi> jewbilee: great!  what did you do?
[07:47] <jewbilee> i can boot normally if my external is on/off plugged in/out  and ubuntu boots fine from booting from USB
[07:47] <jewbilee> followed your instructions with grub
[07:47] <jewbilee> booted to windows
[07:47] <jewbilee> installed EasyBCD
[07:47] <jewbilee> reinstalled the Vista MBR with one button push
[07:47] <jewbilee> and violah
[07:47] <vasuvi> jewbilee: great :D
[07:47] <jewbilee> everything works
[07:47] <jewbilee> thanks a lot
[07:47] <fangorious> I have an ext2 partition I'm trying to set as mounted to /media/shared, but the partition step of the installer says "incompatible feature enabled"
[07:48] <vasuvi> jewbilee: no problem :)
[07:48] <fangorious> I know I can use tune2fs but I don't know what feature to disable
[07:49] <Dr_willis> fangorious,  just leave it unmounted.. edit fstab after you install perhaps.
[07:49] <Dr_willis> I cant think of what  "incompatible feature enabled would be for a ext2
[07:49] <fangorious> Dr_willis: tried that, didn't help
[07:49] <Dr_willis> Unless its some oddly laid out drive/partition setup
[07:50] <fangorious> Dr_willis: pretty sure I made it with parted during the feisty install
[07:50] <fangorious> current enabled features are "ext_attr resize_inode dir_index filetype sparse_super"
[07:51] <Dr_willis> you dident specificy any specific features? how are you seeing what ones are set?
[07:51] <fangorious> tune2fs -l
[07:51] <fangorious> I only know about that from trying to figure out this error
[07:52] <Dr_willis> Hmm Try making it a ext3 filesystem seeif that works?
[07:53] <fangorious> I tried setting it to ext3 in the installer and it insists on formatting if I do that
[07:53] <fangorious> can i just change the partition type with parted from a terminal, without formatting?
[07:54] <databuddy> meh
[07:54] <databuddy> ok so this great bug i got
[07:54] <databuddy> when im on login screen and i go to console and back i never get video again
[07:55] <databuddy> tried unloading/reloading several modules... to no avail
[07:55] <Dr_willis> And why not format it?
[07:55] <databuddy> using intel/i810/vesa drivers -- gma 300
[07:55] <databuddy> 3000 **
[07:55] <fangorious> Dr_willis: it has my home directory backups, and all my ripped CDs
[07:55] <databuddy> fangorious: for the record u could boot to live cd install k3b and start backing up
[07:56] <databuddy> got / and /home in one partition?
[07:56] <fangorious> databuddy: i could, but i shouldn't have to, it's a regular ext2 partition and shouldn't be giving the installer any trouble
[07:56] <databuddy> another thing u can do is boot > live > delete all dir under / except /home and do install without formatting
[07:56] <databuddy> fangorious: is /home seprate?
[07:56] <databuddy> seperate
[07:56] <Dr_willis> fangorious,  Somthing seems VERY odd here. ive had my /home on a 2nd hd befor. I just dont tell the instller to touch it at all. no mounting, no nothing. :) then after i boot. I just edit the fstab to mount it to /home
[07:57] <fangorious> databuddy: no, one partition
[07:57] <databuddy> Dr_willis: i tell it to mount properly etc
[07:57] <Dr_willis> fangorious,  ahh.. now things are starting to make more sence.
[07:57] <databuddy> worx fine
[07:57] <databuddy> fangorious: describe your partitions real quick plz
[07:57] <Dr_willis> You have a installed system. 1 partition for / ,   and a swap. you want to keep the data in /home safe. but reinstall the os?
[07:58] <databuddy> fangorious: describe your partitions real quick plz
[07:58] <fangorious> Dr_willis: sda1 - ntfs, sda2 - ext2, logical with sda5 - swap, sda6 -ext3
[07:58] <fangorious> sda2 is the problem one
[07:58] <Dr_willis> sudo fdisk -l > to a pastebin. Might be easier. :) heh..
[07:58] <databuddy> no not for me
[07:58] <databuddy> im in console mode for a bit
[07:58] <databuddy> for instance:
[07:58] <Dr_willis> i gotta find that pastebin console command some day. :)
[07:59] <fangorious> Dr_willis: sda6 is /, and I leave /home under that, sda2 is /media/shared
[07:59] <databuddy> swap=2gb root=6gb home=160gb spare=20gb || root=10gb spare=20gb spare=20gb rest=media
[07:59] <databuddy> thats me over two hdd's
[08:00] <databuddy> well technically i have /boot on a flash but w/e
[08:00] <fangorious> well, fdisk -l says sda2 doesn't end on a cylinder boundary. i supposed that could be it. terrible error message if that is the cause
[08:01] <Dr_willis> I find it best to keep patitions simple. :)
[08:01] <Dr_willis>  fought with them many a time in the past.
[08:02] <fangorious> so if I resize in parted, should parted resize it to a cylinder boundary?
[08:02] <Dr_willis> id think it would.
[08:04] <Dr_willis> well its 2 am here. Night all.
[08:04] <fangorious> man, linux seems so picky about this. feels like i have problems with partioning with every release, of every distro, for like the last 3 years
[08:04] <fangorious> thanks
[08:05] <Dr_willis> if you do NOT have /home on its own partition that may be a big issue.  i belive the instsaller will try (demand) to reformat whatever partition you set / to be.
[08:05] <barryg12> whats wrong with Gutsy?!
[08:05] <Dr_willis> barryg12,  working for me here. :)
[08:05] <Dr_willis> 140 mb of updates gettting isntalled however right now
[08:06] <fangorious> i'm not trying to preserve /home, I backed it up to the /dev/sda2 partition so I can just format / (/dev/sda6)
[08:06] <Dr_willis> well good luck. Its bed time here.
[08:07] <barryg12> Dr_willis i am glad its working for you. a lot of update download though!
[08:07] <barryg12> and how often are the update? copious amounts on a daily basis lol
[08:08] <mzuverink> what package do i need to get music preview on mouse hover?
[08:09] <kingrayray> i am listening to a band called Run Level Zero
[08:09] <kingrayray> is it just me, or is that a subtle *nix reference? ;)
[08:09] <jmg> heh
[08:09] <jmg> but are they creative commons licensed? :)
[08:09] <kingrayray> nah..
[08:09] <kingrayray> but they are good, i dont mind giving them money
[08:10] <DShepherd> barryg12, mpg123 and ogg123?
[08:10] <DShepherd> oops
[08:11] <barryg12> lol
[08:11] <DShepherd> mzuverink, ^
[08:12] <mzuverink> DShepherd, that didnt do it, I had already installed them and thought that the packages changed since they did not work
[08:12] <DShepherd> mzuverink, i dont know then
[08:19] <KevlarSoul> how can I update my nvidia driver without access tot he internet
[08:24] <KevlarSoul> run as root means what?
[08:24] <KevlarSoul> "run as root"
[08:24] <kingrayray> KevlarSoul: sudo
[08:24] <KevlarSoul> from the root directory?
[08:24] <KevlarSoul> oh just sudo in front?
[08:24] <kingrayray> yea
[08:24] <KevlarSoul> okay
[08:35] <dougb> is there a place to download nightly builds of gusty?
[08:36] <dougb> or is the beta the most recent ISO they have?
[08:36] <hetauma> gutsy comes only out during the day
[08:36] <hetauma> there are daily builds
[08:36] <dougb> well i mean like an ISO for the most recent updates in the past few days
[08:36] <hetauma> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[08:37] <dougb> thanks
[09:06] <contrast83> Has anyone here used xcompmgr? I'm just running it for the first time under Gutsy and it appears to be working ok, except it rapidly spits this from the terminal - error 182 request 155 minor 8 serial 46605 (that error started at "serial 46605"). Is this normal?
[09:11] <RAOF> contrast83: Well, xcompmgr always was a bit of a tech-preview.
[09:11] <erichj> moo
[09:11] <contrast83> RAOF: Ok, thanks. That's comforting, I suppose.
[09:12] <SuperLag> So... why won't the Nvidia drivers *KEEP* the @#$$@#$#@#$@ configuration?
[09:12] <RAOF> If it's running alright, there's nothing much more to do.
[09:13] <contrast83> Cool, thanks for the info.
[09:13] <contrast83> SuperLag: Are you using nvidia-settings?
[09:13] <contrast83> or nvidia-xconfig?
[09:13] <SuperLag> contrast83: I was using nvidia-xconfig, at first
[09:14] <contrast83> SuperLag: Then what?
[09:14] <SuperLag> then GDM would come up and whatever the built-in tool was that would tell me that my screen needed configured
[09:15] <SuperLag> Oh... so nvidia-settings tells me I'm not running the Nvidia X driver.
[09:15] <SuperLag> #@$$@#$#@
[09:15] <contrast83> SuperLag: Because you're not. I'm pretty sure the new XConfig tool in Gutsy falls back to vesa (or possibly nv in your case?) whenever there's a problem.
[09:16] <SuperLag> contrast83: but I've got the latest Nvidia driver installed
[09:16] <SuperLag> and nvidia module is loaded
[09:16] <contrast83> That doesn't mean X is configured to use it.
[09:16] <SuperLag> nvidia is the driver listed in xorg.conf
[09:16] <contrast83> Ohh. Heh, well ok.
[09:16] <contrast83> Sorry. :-)
[09:17] <SuperQ> lol@topic
[09:18] <RAOF> SuperLag: You *sure* that the *correct* nvidia module is loaded?  There's recently been breakage in the getting the right module loaded front.
[09:19] <SuperLag> oracle@beo1209 ~ $ lsmod | grep nvidia
[09:19] <SuperLag> nvidia               3932108  0
[09:19] <contrast83> Yeah, I had to choose the older kernel (2.6.22-12) when booting up. -13 just took me to a blank screen, and this is on my nVidia box.
[09:20] <erichj> contrast83, what about -14?
[09:20] <SuperLag> RAOF: Now... whether that's the correct module or not, I'm not sure.
[09:20] <SuperLag> RAOF: but I know it's not nv
[09:20] <DanaG> Odd: Mouse wheel on desktop stops at desktops 1 and 4.
[09:21] <RAOF> This is true.  What driver do you have installed (nvidia-glx, -legacy, or -new)?
[09:21] <contrast83> Haven't tried that one very recently. Tried earlier today and got the aforementioned problem, but I know there've been updates since then, so I'm not sure.
[09:21] <SuperLag> RAOF: -new
[09:22] <penguincentral> just got 30 updates now.  there is a kernel update, some x updates and an update to nvidia-glx-new driver.
[09:22] <RAOF> SuperLag: Then that's the wrong module; you need to have nvidia_new loaded.
[09:23] <RAOF> SuperLag: The simplest way would be to update to the latest linux-restricted-modules, where this is already fixed.
[09:25] <DanaG> How do you get mouse wheel on desktop to switch viewports and actually wrap?
[09:25] <SuperLag> RAOF: done. And what about in xorg.conf ? should it be Driver "nvidia" or "nvidia_new" ?
[09:26] <RAOF> SuperLag: No, nvidia in xorg.conf.
[09:26] <erichj> x300 is integrated isn't it?
[09:26] <DanaG> Oh, "Previous", not "Left".
[09:30] <DanaG> Oh, and why is the 'scale' animation so ridiculously bouncy?
[09:31] <SuperLag> nope
[09:31] <SuperLag> does not work
[09:31] <erichj> because....it's window bounce
[09:31] <SuperLag> RAOF: I updated to the latest linux-restricted-modules, but no dice
[09:31] <DanaG> Since when do windows bounce?  Try to bounce glass, and see how far you get....
[09:32] <DanaG> (Joke.)
[09:32] <Seeker`> hmm, why doesn't apt-get autocomplete package names any more?
[09:33] <RAOF> SuperLag: So, you've got all the latest kernels/l-r-m.  Manually insmod /lib/modules/2....-14-generic/volatile/nvidia_new.ko & try again?
[09:34] <Ademan> hey i know this is slightly offtopic but with shipit (for gutsy) i have the option of getting 10 CDs or 2 cds (or 1) and i was thinking i'd probably only be able to get rid of around 5, am i really expected to get rid of all of them?
[09:35] <awalton__> drop them off in your local supermarket
[09:35] <Hobbsee> you cant ask them for just 5 then?
[09:35] <Ademan> Hobbsee: no lol, i don't know why there's no option to get 5, but there isn't...
[09:36] <Hobbsee> odd
[09:36] <Hobbsee> might be worth emailing them and asking them to add the option
[09:36] <Ademan> awalton__: how would you go about doing that? i mean, so that people would notice them and whatnot?
[09:36] <awalton__> sure
[09:36] <awalton__> or put them on the shelf at your electronics store, or whatever.
[09:36] <awalton__> just spread the word.
[09:37] <awalton__> neighbor's mailboxes work well too
[09:37] <Ademan> ah, true
[09:37] <Ademan> i wonder if i could even give a few out at my school
[09:37] <Ademan> although i'd only have 3 for that purpose, which would suck
[09:38] <awalton__> *shrug* doesn't matter, 3 is 3 more that wouldn't be out there if you didn't put them out there
[09:38] <Ademan> yeah
[09:38] <Ademan> i guess i'll go with 10 and get rid of them in any way i can lol
[09:38] <RAOF> Where do you order the cds, anyway?
[09:38] <Ademan> oh, and i can keep one for myself right? lol
[09:39] <awalton__> shipit.ubuntu.com iirc
[09:39] <awalton__> yeah sure.
[09:39] <Ademan> cool, i've never had a printed ubuntu CD before
[09:40] <Ademan> i wish ubuntu didn't sound so awkward in english, that'd make getting rid of them easier...
[09:42] <awalton__> heh, I've always loved the name "ubuntu", more so than "debian" or "fedora" (which I totally thought was a made-up name until I read some weird book)
[09:42] <Ademan> lol RFC1149
[09:42] <RAOF> awalton__: "Fedora"?  You've led a sheltered life :P
[09:43] <awalton__> hah.
[09:43] <awalton__> it doesn't sound like a real word when you think it
[09:43] <awalton__> and then you're like "oh, red hat, I get it"
[09:43] <bazhang> it an odd word.
[09:43] <bazhang> is
[09:43] <Ademan> RAOF: actually i think it's more of an age thing, i didn't know what a fedora was until i saw some older movies lol
[09:43] <RAOF> Ademan: I prescribe Raymond Chandler!
[09:44] <Ademan> i like the way debian sounds, moreso than ubuntu and linux, i pronounce linux lihnucks or linnix in publick just because leenucks sounds so strange to me
[09:44] <Ademan> lol public*
[09:45] <Ademan> anywho i think i've steered us far enough off topic
[09:46] <awalton__> haha. I don't think I've ever pronounced "linux" or "ubuntu" in the "correct" way. to me it's tomato-tomato, you're describing the same thing either way.
[09:47] <Ademan> yay 10 cds on their way... in  4 to 6 weeks lol
[09:48] <Ademan> heh, well i guess they won't even be on their way until gutsy is released
[09:50] <bazhang> kind of a nifty feature; if you are using Amarok, then you can put /media in the text entry field and it will say: so and so is listening to .....
[09:50] <Ademan> bazhang: in x-chat?
[09:54] <bazhang> Ademan: try it.
[09:56] <jscinoz> i just realised something
[09:57] <jscinoz> Avant Window Navigator + Gimme = ultimate launcher/panel/systray
[09:58] <erichj> i call it linnucks just to spite richard stallman
[09:58] <Ademan> i was never very impressed with gimmie
[09:58] <jscinoz> Why not? i love it over the normal menu
[09:58] <awalton__> that I can agree with
[09:58] <jscinoz> the integration with pidgin is also awesome
[09:58] <Ademan> but to be fair it's been months since i last tried it
[09:58] <awalton__> but gimmie still isn't my cup of tea.
[09:58] <erichj> gimme seems annoying. and i never liked how it opens a window in the window list
[09:58] <jscinoz> its in the official repos now
[09:59] <jscinoz> yeah hopefully that will be fixed soon
[09:59] <jscinoz> but just imagine AWN with gimme's functionality
[09:59] <erichj> i wish deluge was integrated into gimmie. then it would be worth using
[09:59] <jscinoz> wait there was a mockup of it somewhere...
[09:59] <Ademan> can't you just like set a certain window hint and it won't show up in the window list?
[09:59] <iu> hello everyone
[10:00] <bazhang> hi
[10:00] <jscinoz> probably Ademan
[10:00] <iu> i tried to use the Restricted Drivers auto install feature
[10:00] <iu> but it didnt work
[10:00] <erichj> Ademan, even so...that is something a dev should think about
[10:00] <bazhang> it didn't work?
[10:00] <jscinoz> awn + gimme would end up something like this http://awn.wetpaint.com/page/Make+Topaz+Ideas+a+Reality?t=anon
[10:01] <bazhang> iu: which card
[10:01] <iu> yeah it complained about root access
[10:01] <iu> i tried to locate kdesu but no luck
[10:02] <jscinoz> I wish awn was in the official repos
[10:02] <Jordan_U> Is it normal for X to be running on vt10 ?
[10:02] <bazhang> iu: do you have restricted-manager-kde installed?
[10:02] <iu> how do i check if its installed or not?
[10:03] <contrast83> jscinoz: It will be in Hardy, I believe. I might just be thinking of Kiba-Dock though.
[10:03] <bazhang> the gui way is to look in Adept and it will say if it
[10:03] <jscinoz> i think Kiba is already in. let me check
[10:03] <bazhang> is installed, sorry about the page break
[10:03] <jscinoz> oh wait it isnt
[10:04] <jscinoz> can devs add new packages to repos between releases? or do they  have to wait the 6months for a new release
[10:04] <iu> k checking Adept
[10:04] <iu> yep it is
[10:04] <iu> core and kde
[10:04] <iu> but it says it needs upgrading
[10:04] <awalton__> I'm pretty sure gutsy is frozen, which means no new packages
[10:05] <iu> 7.10 is gutsy?
[10:05] <awalton__> yes
[10:05] <bazhang> iu: then upgrade, then go to system settings, yes its gutsy
[10:05] <iu> i have like 600 packages to be updated lol
[10:05] <jscinoz> but i mean as a a general rule, say in december could a dev add a new package to an already going distro
[10:05] <awalton__> no
[10:05] <Ademan> jscinoz: you can't just ad packages, but you can get them into the next release (and people could use them through backports)
[10:05] <bazhang> wow
[10:05] <awalton__> as a general rule they wouldn't.
[10:05] <iu> ok upgrading now! /duck
[10:05] <jscinoz> ah
[10:05] <iu> i see kernel headers to be updated too, is that safe?
[10:06] <awalton__> yeah
[10:06] <bazhang> should be
[10:06] <Jordan_U> Is it normal for X to be running on vt10 ?
[10:06] <iu> how good is WINE on gutsy?
[10:06] <jscinoz> hmm i just found that falcon repo generator, im going to make a repo of a few closed source debs i made, savage and enemyterritory... :)
[10:06] <awalton__> works better than feisty-wine.
[10:06] <bazhang> haven't tried it
[10:06] <iu> neat!
[10:06] <awalton__> but, it's still wine.
[10:06] <Ademan> iu: doesn't matter, use the wine repository to get updates
[10:07] <iu> is there a need to re-compile the kernel?
[10:07] <awalton__> generally, no.
[10:07] <iu> is it optimized for a certain cpu?
[10:07] <awalton__> not really
[10:07] <Ademan> iu: i've never had to recompile it, that's sorta the beauty of the module system
[10:08] <iu> yep it is
[10:08] <awalton__> if tha'ts a problem for you, go ahead and rebuild, but it's not "necessary".
[10:08] <Jordan_U> !generic | iu
[10:08] <ubotu> iu: Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[10:08] <iu> i think im switching to this desktop permenatly :)
[10:08] <iu> thanks
[10:08] <Ademan> Jordan_U: whoa there's no smp anymore?
[10:09] <awalton__> aren't they all SMP kernels now?
[10:09] <jscinoz> contrast83, i gotta get some webhosting first :)
[10:09] <crdlb> Ademan, smp is included in generic
[10:09] <Jordan_U> Ademan, -generic is SMP
[10:09] <awalton__> yeah I thought so.
[10:09] <crdlb> that's why 386 exists
[10:09] <jscinoz> hmm is it proper to have game data in /usr/share/games or /usr/lib/games?
[10:09] <Ademan> jscinoz: never in /usr/lib
[10:09] <iu> most modern cpus come in cores now :)
[10:09] <awalton__> try to go with /share/
[10:09] <awalton__> lib should be limited to libs and libs alone
[10:09] <Ademan> jscinoz: well, unless it's like game related executable stuff, like shared objects and such
[10:10] <jscinoz> hmm
[10:10] <awalton__> and only libs shipped with ubuntu, there's /usr/local/lib for yours.
[10:10] <jscinoz> alrighty
[10:10] <jscinoz> going to go remake the savage deb
[10:10] <Ademan> jscinoz: is this a particular game that installed stuff to /usr/lib/games? or are you writing your own?
[10:10] <Ademan> ah
[10:10] <iu> Firefox included in the packages?
[10:10] <crdlb> err since it's a package, I'd say /usr is fine
[10:11] <awalton__> firefox is the default browser iu
[10:11] <Ademan> yeah definitely /usr/local is more for stuff installed from source or from other package managers
[10:11] <jscinoz> its annoying, savage decides it'll only use ~/.savage half of the time, so i have to have its game dir world-writable for it to work >_<
[10:11] <jscinoz> and since its closed source i cant fix it
[10:11] <iu> default? you mean Konqurer?
[10:11] <Ademan> jscinoz: in fact, there's a filesystem hierarchy standard, one sec i'll fetch it
[10:11] <jscinoz> found it
[10:11] <jscinoz> "man hier"
[10:11] <awalton__> ah, you're using kubuntu, no clue about that
[10:11] <Ademan> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
[10:11] <awalton__> but it's default under ubuntu
[10:12] <jscinoz> is the hireacy shown in "man hier" also correct?
[10:12] <iu> yeah i thought it was the default for ubuntu
[10:12] <Ademan> jscinoz: no idea, one sec
[10:12] <Ademan> jscinoz: whoa!
[10:12] <Ademan> lol
[10:12] <Ademan> indeed
[10:12] <SoulChild> hi all
[10:12] <jscinoz> hmm?
[10:12] <Jordan_U> Is it normal for X to be running on vt10 ?
[10:13] <SoulChild> does the vga parameter in /boot/grub/menu.lst still work for anyone of you ???
[10:13] <SoulChild> Jordan_U: no, usally tty7
[10:13] <Ademan> Jordan_U: not normal ,pretty sure it defaults to 6 or 7 (forgot if it starts at 0 or 1)
[10:13] <jscinoz> starts at 1 ademan
[10:13] <Jordan_U> SoulChild, Ademan And this hasn't changed in Gutsy?
[10:13] <jscinoz> default tty7 for X
[10:13] <Ademan> Jordan_U: i actually don't know
[10:13] <iu> will it be easy to upgrade from Beta to Release later on?
[10:13] <jscinoz> i'm running gutsy, X is on tt7
[10:14] <Ademan> but i doubt it, it's remained the same for the 3 releases i've been around for
[10:14] <Jordan_U> iu, Just keep up to date
[10:14] <jscinoz> i really hope i dont need to do a clean install for the final release
[10:14] <iu> on it :)
[10:14] <Ademan> jscinoz: i'm gonna do a clean install and have two partitions /  and /home that way if need be doing a clean install in the future is totally not an issue
[10:14] <jscinoz> i already have separate / and /home parts
[10:14] <Ademan> i'd set it up to use lvm too, but i get the impression that's a pain to do
[10:15] <jscinoz> by the way...
[10:15] <Ademan> jscinoz: i wasn't that smart the first 3 times around :-p
[10:15] <awalton__> I wish the ubuntu partitioner did that by default, but it doesn't, alas.
[10:15] <jscinoz> when i set up Ubuntu i was told i should have a separate /boot partition? is that correct?
[10:15] <Ademan> jscinoz: not really... unless you're using some wierd filesystem for /
[10:16] <Ademan> jscinoz: OH! actually it may be if someone removes ubuntu that way their grub will remain intact
[10:16] <Ademan> that happened to my friend
[10:16] <Crozar> after my update my laptop screen is not full anymore and my gfx card is nvidia but it reads as versa
[10:16] <Ademan> where he trashed grub because he removed ubuntu
[10:16] <Jordan_U> WTF? Now it's on tty 9
[10:16] <awalton__> mmm dancing ttys
[10:16] <Ademan> Jordan_U: haha, musical ttys
[10:16] <Crozar> i just updated the 55updates release today
[10:16] <jscinoz> ademan, i guess i'll leave boot separate for now
[10:17] <Jordan_U> Crozar, Have you enabled the nvidia drivers in Restricted Manger?
[10:17] <jscinoz> yay my connection is actually getting 1+mbps for once
[10:17] <awalton__> hah, x is on tty9 for me too
[10:17] <iu> 321 updates pending.....
[10:17] <jscinoz> when im supposed to get 24mbit, gotta love australian internet
[10:17] <Crozar> Jordan_U: You need to install the package
[10:17] <Crozar>   linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic
[10:17] <Crozar> for this program to work.
[10:18] <Jordan_U> Crozar, Let it install it
[10:18] <Crozar> i canat go inside restricted mqanager
[10:18] <Jordan_U> Crozar, sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic
[10:18] <jscinoz> >_< i broke awn, segfaults on startup
[10:19] <awalton__> broke it how?
[10:19] <Crozar> i did
[10:19] <Crozar> same problem
[10:19] <jscinoz> i dont know, last boot it worked, now it doesnt >_<
[10:19] <awalton__> compositor running?
[10:19] <Crozar> i shouldnt have updated  , gutsy was running fine , but btw now it runs faster =p
[10:20] <Crozar> ya it wasnt for me until it fl icked couple of time again and again then it worked on small screen tho
[10:20] <Crozar> im on a 17 inch laptop
[10:20] <Jordan_U> Crozar, You should have linux-restricted-modules-generic installed, I don't know why it isn't
[10:20] <Crozar> it was installe
[10:20] <Crozar> hmm ? want me to change my xorg.conf and edit to n vidia then restart?
[10:20] <awalton__> was it updated or held back?
[10:21] <jscinoz> who wanted a link to that repo im making? it should be up in the next 30mins.
[10:21] <Jordan_U> Crozar, No, use restricted manager
[10:21] <Crozar> i will try to restart again
[10:21] <Crozar> brb
[10:21] <Jordan_U> Crozar, If it still gives that error even when you have linux-restricted-modules-generic installed, file a bug
[10:21] <iu> the Restricted manager in the stock ISO is bugged?
[10:22] <tgpfarm> anyone happen to be here?
[10:22] <Jordan_U> tgpfarm, no
[10:22] <SlimeyPete> no
[10:22] <jscinoz> gah my interwebs is fail at the moment
[10:22] <tgpfarm> ok dumb question
[10:23] <tgpfarm> another dumb question, anyone get wow to work on gutsy?
[10:23] <scoobydoo28139> ? i am upgrading, is there a way to get it to read cd instead of downloading updates?
[10:23] <Jordan_U> scoobydoo28139, Only with the alternate install CD
[10:24] <iu> KDE in 4.0 beta now?
[10:24] <tgpfarm> scoobydoo28139: the cd is what you installed, how would you get updates from the cd you installed from
[10:24] <scoobydoo28139> jordan_U: oooh ok
[10:24] <tgpfarm> so no one has WoW running in gutsy?
[10:24] <awalton__> sorry, not a wow-fan, but wine works pretty well for me
[10:25] <tgpfarm> yeah everything else i do in wine is working for me
[10:25] <scoobydoo28139> non o tgpfarm: i am using 7.04 but i have 7.10 on cd
[10:25] <iu> i need wine to get my scanner working
[10:25] <tgpfarm> i am just getting a dual-tmu error with WoW
[10:26] <m1lkc0w> Good morning
[10:26] <m1lkc0w> I have some issues with the aspell packages on Gutsy Gibbon. An automatic update failed and ever since, post-installation of packages complains about issues with aspell. Reinstalling aspell via Synaptic didn't work either (same error)
[10:26] <awalton__> have you tried removing it and reinstalling it?
[10:26] <iu> anyone knows any Nintendo emulator running under Linux?
[10:27] <m1lkc0w> awalton__: Yes, via Synaptic. But it doens't let me due to its dependencies.
[10:27] <m1lkc0w> awalton__: Reinstalling via Synaptic didn't work
[10:27] <awalton__> what does the error say precisely about the dependencies, one of them broken?
[10:28] <hangthedj> nestra
[10:28] <hangthedj> kfceu
[10:28] <hangthedj> is really nice
[10:28] <hangthedj> front end for fceu
[10:29] <m1lkc0w> awalton__: The dependencies seem correct. It's the aspell's post-install that fails with "/bin/sh: Can't open aspell-autobuildhash"
[10:30] <m1lkc0w> awalton__: And it's been like that for a while now; ~10 days
[10:30] <awalton__> wow, that's a long time to go with an unresolved bug like that..
[10:31] <m1lkc0w> awalton__: That's why I am assuming that I am likely the only one to experience the problem
[10:31] <awalton__> it definitely sounds unique
[10:31] <awalton__> have you filed a bug report on Launchpad?
[10:31] <m1lkc0w> awalton__: I would like to try to reinstalling it first
[10:31] <awalton__> reasonable.
[10:32] <awalton__> sudo apt-get remove aspell, let it run, then sudo apt-get install aspell
[10:32] <m1lkc0w> awalton__: How would I go about deinstalling and reinstalling it completely? I am a long time FreeBSD user where I would know how to do it. However, I am new to Ubuntu and apt
[10:32] <awalton__> ;)
[10:32] <iu> Konquerer is actually Firefox under Kubuntu?
[10:33] <m1lkc0w> iu: Now. It's KDE's integrated file and web browser (and much more)
[10:33] <iu> ahhh
[10:33] <iu> but i can still replce it with Firefox, as a web browser?
[10:33] <awalton__> sure
[10:33] <iu> ty :)
[10:33] <m1lkc0w> iu: Whichever you like better or works better for you
[10:34] <iu> true true
[10:34] <awalton__> *tear* Konq is my favorite part about KDE, wish I could have a khtml/webkit browser under Ubuntu but ephy-webkit just isn't there yet..
[10:35] <jmg> does konq have webkit yet?
[10:35] <awalton__> targeting 4.0 IIRC
[10:35] <awalton__> they're completely replacing khtml with webkit, so it'll be automatic in konq
[10:35] <m1lkc0w> awalton__: Removing aspell with apt also wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, due to dependencies...
[10:36] <awalton__> that's usually fine, ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage.. if it causes problems you can reinstall it later, no harm done
[10:41] <ximal> well i'm back... unhappily.. how was everyone while i was gone ?
[10:42] <ximal> anyone here mind helping me troubleshoot getting my sound to work ? i just reinstalled after having a near perfect working edition thinking i didn't need amd 64 bit...
[10:43] <reverseblade> I cannot access to the appearances tab
[10:46] <ximal> hey vuen
[10:47] <ximal> you got a few minutes ?
[10:47] <ximal> i just got back from a horrible reformatting/trying to change to i386 experience
[10:48] <reverseblade> I swear next time I'll go LFS
[10:50] <Seeker`> lo ximal
[10:51] <ximal> helllp ! lol
[10:51] <Seeker`> any clues as to why it isn't working?
[10:51] <ximal> i dunno about sound..
[10:51] <ximal> i got a few ideas on how to make it work
[10:53] <jscinoz> what is permission mask 644? rw r r?
[10:54] <awalton__> the UNIX file system is quite a bit different than the Windows filesystem
[10:54] <awalton__> permissions are how you can set/change what users can modify which files
[10:54] <jscinoz> I know that..
[10:54] <ximal> rw meand read and write
[10:54] <awalton__> oh, so you just want to know that mask?
[10:54] <jscinoz> i'm just asking is 644, owner:RW, group:R, other:R?
[10:54] <m1lkc0w> jscinoz: Yes rw for owner, read for group and other
[10:54] <jscinoz> alright thanky
[10:55] <jscinoz> yes
[10:55] <awalton__> hah, beaten.
[10:55] <ximal> anyone mind hekping with sound please ???
[10:56] <awalton__> still won't go eh?
[10:56] <awalton__> and sorry ximal, sound is not in my domain
[10:56] <m1lkc0w> awalton__: Nope. I believe the problem is due to the German-ALT dictionary.
[10:57] <awalton__> that's definitely something you should report at this point, perhaps one of the aspell devs can help
[10:57] <awalton__> you're not running an alternative shell are you?
[10:58] <m1lkc0w> awalton__: No
[10:58] <awalton__> just checking
[10:58] <m1lkc0w> awalton__: Any idea is welcome ;-)
[10:58] <awalton__> things went really bonkers for me when ubuntu switched from bash to dash, loads of things broke..
[10:58] <ximal> is there any kind of prob i can do to see why my sound isn't working guys ?
[10:59] <awalton__> ximal: tried lsmod yet?
[10:59] <jscinoz> gah
[10:59] <awalton__> see if the sound module is even loaded?
[10:59] <jscinoz> hey guys, im trying to run a program which requires python2.4 rather than 2.5 what env variable do i need to set for it to work?
[10:59] <ximal> no
[10:59] <jscinoz> nevermind
[10:59] <ximal> leme try now
[11:00] <ximal> how do i know if it's loaded ?
[11:00] <ximal> what am i looking for ?
[11:00] <awalton__> lsmod | grep snd
[11:00] <awalton__> you should see a lot of modules like soundcore, snd_seq, etc.
[11:01] <ximal> after i did lsmod an update came through
[11:01] <ximal> new headers..
[11:01] <jscinoz> gah falcon is horribly broken
[11:01] <ximal> hopefully that's why the module isn't loaded/compiled right
[11:03] <Crozar> Jordan_U: still :(
[11:03] <Crozar> Jordan_U: i tried many things but i will paste  bin my xorg.conf file for u
[11:06] <Crozar> anybody? guys ? i have updated some updates for my gutsy and after it said to restart my laptop using low graphics mode , and screen is smaller =/ heres my xorg.conf file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40136/report/
[11:06] <reverseblade> my desktop freezes when I turn on compiz ?
[11:07] <Crozar> when i try launching my restricted manager in system administrator this what comes = You need to install the package
[11:07] <Crozar>   linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic
[11:07] <Crozar> for this program to work.
[11:08] <Crozar> after that i sudo aptget install linux-restricted-modules-generic and still =/
[11:08] <savvas> Crozar: update your sources
[11:08] <savvas> hm
[11:08] <savvas> Crozar: do this in terminal: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-generic
[11:09] <jscinoz> gah epm is being a bitch again
[11:09] <Crozar> the update i think was theyr since yseterday b ut i updated 1 hour ago and this what happened everything went wrong with my display i was running good with compiz on and fullscreen but now its small screen and using versa gfx driver stuff liek that
[11:10] <Crozar> yea
[11:10] <Crozar> linux-restricted-modules-generic:
[11:10] <Crozar>   Installed: 2.6.22.13.19
[11:10] <Crozar>   Candidate: 2.6.22.13.19
[11:10] <Crozar>   Version table:
[11:10] <Crozar>  *** 2.6.22.13.19 0
[11:10] <Crozar>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/restricted Packages
[11:10] <Crozar>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[11:10] <awalton__> now do uname -a
[11:10] <savvas> no need
[11:10] <savvas>   Candidate: 2.6.22.14.20
[11:11] <Crozar> huh?
[11:11] <savvas> Crozar: do this: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:11] <awalton__> ^^
[11:11] <awalton__> beat mea
[11:11] <bascule> dist-upgrade for kernels?
[11:12] <Crozar> ? so u mean theyr is a fix for the current upgrade that was launched 9 hours ago?
[11:12] <savvas> Crozar: eeeeeeeeexactly
[11:12] <Crozar> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:12] <savvas> hm..
[11:12] <Crozar> savvas: i always upgrade lo
[11:13] <savvas> Crozar: then you'll have to wait
[11:13] <savvas> !stages
[11:13] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[11:13] <Crozar> how come it read my card as versa
[11:13] <savvas> Crozar: do this in terminal again: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-generic
[11:13] <savvas> maybe you still don't have it
[11:13] <Crozar> normal?" why not put both updates in same time this may cause people to fear ubuntu =/ rather then love
[11:14] <savvas> because not all repository mirrors are the same :)
[11:14] <awalton__> and because this is still a beta release ;)
[11:14] <Crozar> linux-restricted-modules-generic:
[11:14] <Crozar>   Installed: 2.6.22.13.19
[11:14] <Crozar>   Candidate: 2.6.22.13.19
[11:14] <Crozar>   Version table:
[11:14] <Crozar>  *** 2.6.22.13.19 0
[11:14] <Crozar>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/restricted Packages
[11:14] <Crozar>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[11:14] <awalton__> betas are for the fearless
[11:14] <Crozar> do i change us?
[11:15] <savvas> Crozar: if you want to, I have the uk.archive
[11:15] <savvas> it's actually weird how come you don't have it
[11:15] <Crozar> ok i put main server i even tricked the source to get heavy updates
[11:16] <Crozar> ticked source code *
[11:16] <Crozar> can isp block stuff?
[11:17] <savvas> do birds fly? :)
[11:17] <awalton__> yes, but if they're blocking apt traffic you've got more severe problems than a broken xserver
[11:17] <savvas> true
[11:17] <Crozar> how to put uk server?
[11:17] <savvas> Crozar: gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:18] <savvas> select the http://us.archive.ubuntu.com or http://archive.ubuntu.com
[11:18] <savvas> click on the replace button
[11:18] <savvas> and replace it with: http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:18] <Crozar> ubuntu is which company ? usa or uk>?
[11:19] <ximal> hello... I need help pweeez
[11:19] <Crozar> ouch i have available updates
[11:19] <savvas> ximal: morning :p
[11:19] <ximal> I am trying to figure out how to get libdvdcss2 and the sudo aptget install isn't working
[11:19] <LuitvD> hi
[11:19] <Crozar> hey im updateing some kernel stuff and nvidia glx thing
[11:19] <Crozar> i hope this will fix this
[11:19] <awalton__> ximal: you need to enable universe/multiverse
[11:20] <Crozar> brb im restarting wish me luck
[11:20] <ximal> remind be how to enable it again please awal
[11:20] <Muelli> network-manager keeps crashing. I want binaries with debug symbol in order to get a proper stacktrace. Where can I get debug packages?
[11:21] <awalton__> I can't remember the way to do it through the GUI, I always just do "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.conf" and uncomment the lines that say "universe" and "multiverse" at the end, save, done.
[11:21] <LuitvD> I can't get my laptop to use an external monitor, does anybody know if that's a common problem with the ATi RS485? (Radeon Xpress 1100 IGP)
[11:21] <awalton__> or whatever your favorite text editor is
[11:22] <ximal> hmm
[11:23] <savvas> ximal: do this in terminal: wget -q http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[11:23] <ximal> hmm
[11:24] <savvas> ximal: then go to system > administration > software sources > third party, click the "Add" button, and paste there this line: deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ feisty free non-free
[11:24] <ximal> it didn't do anything
[11:24] <savvas> it should say "OK"
[11:24] <oshiii-_^> oshi-
[11:25] <ximal> pasted
[11:25] <savvas> ximal: right, now click "Close"
[11:25] <savvas> and reload those sources with love ;)
[11:26] <ximal> huh ?
[11:26] <savvas> lol
[11:26] <savvas> just hit reload :P
[11:26] <ximal> W: GPG error: http://packages.medibuntu.org feisty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[11:26] <savvas> uh..
[11:26] <savvas> ximal: wget -q http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[11:26] <savvas> paste that in terminal
[11:26] <savvas> right-click paste
[11:27] <Muelli> Or do I have to build the package myself in order to get a binaries with debug symbols?
[11:27] <awalton__> muelli: usually it's just pkg-name-dbg for symbols
[11:28] <awalton__> I have no idea what the package name for netman is, or if ubuntu ships the symbols though
[11:29] <t-Omicr0n> DON'T run Gutsy ? Is that a joke or serious ?
[11:29] <Muelli> awalton__: as I say, network-manager-dbg only exists for dapper :( And it's "superseeded" for edgy, whatever this means..
[11:29] <Seeker`> I have my CPUs overclocked to 2.9GHz, but the CPU frequency monitor only shows them going up to 2.66GHz at most - is there a reason for this?
[11:29] <awalton__> my bad, I didn't see that
[11:29] <savvas> netman?
[11:29] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[11:29] <savvas> t-Omicr0n: very serious :)
[11:30] <savvas> very very extraordinary
[11:30] <TheInfinity> Seeker`: your CPU sais 2.66, so it shows 2.66 ...
[11:30] <TheInfinity> btw
[11:30] <awalton__> perhaps that just means they don't ship the symbols anymore?
[11:30] <Seeker`> hrm
[11:30] <JohnFlux> My printer (HP LaserJet 1018) only works if I do "rmmod uhci_hcd"
[11:30] <awalton__> ughhh yay lag.
[11:30] <Seeker`> would ubuntu be doing anything to limit it?
[11:31] <Muelli> so is anyone familiar with apt-source build? I want to build the package with at least "-g3 -O0"
[11:31] <TheInfinity> is there a good reason for ... if i plug in power cable in my laptop it switches to powersave, if i plug it of it switches to dynamic ... why?
[11:31] <JohnFlux> other people have this problem, and the same solution works for them
[11:31] <JohnFlux> any ideas what this means? :)
[11:31] <awalton__> Seeker`, nope, it's just saying 2.66GHz because that's what your CPU had programmed into it at the factory
[11:31] <JohnFlux> I'm assuming that uhci_hcd and ehci_hcd  are conflicting with each other or something
[11:31] <JohnFlux> but presumably there's a better solution or something
[11:33] <Seeker`> awalton__: But does that mean that it wont run at 2.9GHz?
[11:33] <savvas> JohnFlux: yeah, bug reporting time: http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[11:33] <JohnFlux> savvas: there's already a bug
[11:33] <awalton__> Seeker`, not at all, if you've got it clocked at 2.9, it will run at 2.9, even if it says 2.6 in some utilities
[11:33] <JohnFlux> savvas: report
[11:33] <savvas> JohnFlux: bug report?
[11:34] <savvas> link?
[11:34] <JohnFlux> savvas: I'll have to  google for it :-D  one sec
[11:34] <Seeker`> awalton__: Is there anywhere that will reliably report it?
[11:35] <awalton__> that's a really hard question to answer.. with Intel CPUs, a good way is to usually divide the number of bogomips reported by /proc/cpuinfo by 2 to get the number of real MHz
[11:36] <Seeker`> well, its reporting 5855 bogomips
[11:36] <savvas> JohnFlux: usually people subscribe to a bug when it considers them
[11:36] <t-Omicr0n> savvas: May be, but I'm running it anyway ;)
[11:36] <awalton__> and 5.85/2 is?
[11:36] <JohnFlux> savvas: sure.  but I thought someone might know what it means if I have to do this
[11:36] <JohnFlux> savvas: should the printer be blacklisted for uchi_hcd  or something
[11:37] <savvas> JohnFlux: uhci_hcd or uchi_hcd
[11:37] <JohnFlux> uchi_hcd
[11:37] <JohnFlux> urgh
[11:37] <JohnFlux> uhci_hcd
[11:37] <Seeker`> 2.92
[11:37] <JohnFlux> I'm unable to type it heh
[11:37] <JohnFlux> savvas: so uhci_hcd
[11:38] <awalton__> Seeker`, and thusly, you have arrived at the number of GHz your processor is running
[11:38] <savvas> i think it's the usb module right?
[11:38] <JohnFlux> right
[11:38] <awalton__> Seeker`, but that's just a crude estimation, it might be off by a few thousand cycles in either direction
[11:38] <savvas> JohnFlux: does it make any problems with a.. let's say, usb mouse or anything?
[11:38] <JohnFlux> there's two usb modules.  ehci and uhci
[11:38] <Seeker`> hmm
[11:38] <awalton__> ;)
[11:38] <JohnFlux> savvas: nope
[11:39] <JohnFlux> savvas: no problems other than my printer doesn't work.  searching launchpad for 1018 hp   gives dozens of bugs that their printer doesn't work
[11:39] <savvas> JohnFlux: well your motherboard should actually use the right one, mine does that by setting the bios to "automatic"
[11:39] <savvas> JohnFlux: try this, shutdown, connect your printer and boot your computer
[11:42] <JohnFlux> savvas: ...
[11:42] <JohnFlux> savvas: it takes an age to reboot.  if that works, would that indicate a way to fix this?
[11:43] <savvas> JohnFlux: well from what you're telling me you're connecting it while the computer is running
[11:43] <JohnFlux> right
[11:43] <savvas> try do it before booting and see if that helps
[11:44] <JohnFlux> savvas: if it does help, will that indicate a solution though?
[11:44] <Muelli> for the record: there is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash where information about debugpackages is provided
[11:44] <savvas> JohnFlux: and check your motherboard bios and select the ehci if you can find it
[11:44] <JohnFlux> savvas: I'd like to get this fixed in gutsy or something
[11:45] <savvas> JohnFlux: if you want this fixed, you find the bug report and add a comment, the more the people that have that problem, the more developers will get interested
[11:46] <JohnFlux> I'm currently adding a comment to all the bug reports
[11:46] <JohnFlux> will take a while
[11:50] <LuitvD> I can't get my laptop to use an external monitor, does anybody know if that's a common problem with the ATi RS485? (Radeon Xpress 1100 IGP)
[11:51] <LuitvD> If I try to switch or change configurations in the "Screens and Graphics" configuration tool, it crashes and restores settings
[11:52] <awalton__> LuitvD from what I can tell, radeon support for the side port is pretty much shot until we get a driver that's worthy of our time
[11:53] <awalton__> doesn't work at all for me using an older version of the IGP
[11:53] <LuitvD> shame...
[11:54] <LuitvD> ATi BigDesktop (on older Ubuntu) didn't work either :(
[11:54] <awalton__> I think us 4xx owners are getting the biggest shaft of all time.. the 5-6xx is getting a new free driver, the older 1,2,3xx have very good, working open drivers.. and we're stuck in the middle.
[11:55] <scottsatkin> I just upgraded to Feisty and now have no audio.  I continue to get the error: "audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open resource for writing."
[11:57] <ximal> ok
[11:57] <ximal> i'm back..
[11:57] <Eq|work> scottsatkin : this is the gutsy chan.. try #ubuntu
[11:57] <scottsatkin> sorry, i meant gutsy
[11:57] <Eq|work> what sound chipset?
[11:58] <scottsatkin> SAA7134
[11:58] <Eq|work> also.. do you have esd installed?
[11:58] <Eq|work> check that the modules are loaded
[11:58] <scottsatkin> i *think* the modules are loaded, how can i check?
[11:58] <Eq|work> lsmod
[11:59] <scottsatkin> the modules are loaded
[12:00] <Eq|work> anything in dmesg ?
[12:00] <scottsatkin> [   52.625076]  saa7130/34: v4l2 driver version 0.2.14 loaded
[12:01] <scottsatkin> [   53.006658]  saa7134 ALSA driver for DMA sound loaded
[12:01] <scottsatkin> [   53.006674]  saa7133[0] /alsa: saa7133[0]  at 0xfeaff800 irq 22 registered as card -2
[12:02] <scottsatkin> is it bad that there is no /dev/dsp only a /dev/dsp1?
[12:03] <evge> Hi, I'm running xubuntu 7.04 and I want to update to 7.10 beta, how to do that ?
[12:03] <Muelli> evge: update-manager -c -d
[12:04] <hit> evge, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[12:05] <evge> thank you
[12:06] <Crozar> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[12:06] <Crozar> savvas: u theyr
[12:06] <Crozar> after restart my screen was working
[12:06] <Crozar> i went to enable accelerator , then it asked me to restart after that my screen is blank black
[12:07] <Crozar> i did CTRL + ALT + F4 and went in sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:07] <Crozar> it was weird!
[12:07] <Crozar> good thing i had a back up of my old xorg.conf and i replaced it by doing mv
[12:08] <scottsatkin> I just upgraded to Gutsy and now have no audio.  I continue to get the error: "audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open resource for writing."
[12:08] <Crozar> the problem is why ubuntu is this way? imagine im new to ubuntu , i install 7.10 gutsy then suddenly i enable accelerator then BLACK SCREEN? what the hell what u think will he do? he will format or just cry lo
[12:08] <Crozar> scottsatkin: laptop or desktop?
[12:08] <awalton__> well, once again, you're running a beta.
[12:08] <gnomefreak> Crozar: thats the point new users shouldnt run gutsy its still not stable
[12:08] <scottsatkin> desktop
[12:08] <Eq|work> scottsatkin : hm.
[12:08] <m1lkc0w> awalton__: Back in business. However, resolving the aspell issue meant removing dictionaries-common which in turn meant removing (and reinstalling) most of ubuntu-desktop
[12:09] <Crozar> gnomefreak: ok , but imagine its stabled u think this error wil be fixxeD?? hell it was theyr since ubuntu 6
[12:09] <Eq|work> what is gconf configured to use?
[12:09] <Crozar> im talking about laptops gnomefreak
[12:09] <gnomefreak> Crozar: cant its not stable and your issue if bug was reported should be fixed by stable
[12:09] <awalton__> m1lkc0w ouch, usually removing ubuntu-desktop just removes the metapackage and not everything else it's attached to
[12:09] <scottsatkin> Eq|work: how would i check that?
[12:09] <Eq|work> check your sound settings
[12:10] <gnomefreak> Crozar: gutsy is unstable if you run it laptop, desktop, microwave, phone, where ever
[12:10] <awalton__> but I"m glad to hear it's back working..
[12:10] <jmg> haha microwave
[12:10] <jmg> dishwasher?
[12:10] <Eq|work> Crozar : the platform you're talking about is irrelevant. people without experience with linux in general, and ubuntu in specific should NOT use gutsy
[12:10] <gnomefreak> Crozar: you choose to test gutsy do that report bugs
[12:10] <Eq|work> it's made fairly clear in a number of places.
[12:10] <m1lkc0w> awalton__: I've just removed the packages that were depending on dictionaries-common (e.g. openoffice-*) and reinstalled ubuntu-desktop to pull in all the missing parts
[12:10] <scottsatkin> so in the device SAA7134, the only tracks are "Line-in, Line-in 2, Video"
[12:10] <jmg> can i install gutsy on my dishwasher?
[12:10] <jmg> hello?
[12:10] <Crozar> gnomefreak: in laptop theyr is a LCD built in right? ubuntu has this problem with built in LCD's it rather enables CRT , i did connect a crt and see it was working fine then i have to go and change to LCD view , but i didnt have time this day to put the crt coz i know it will work so i replaced my old xorg where it has Default LCD enabled
[12:10] <gnomefreak> if you cant fix it dont run it
[12:10] <jmg> :)
[12:11] <gnomefreak> Crozar: soulnds like a bug file a bug report.
[12:11] <gnomefreak> sounds.
[12:11] <awalton__> m1lkc0w well at least it worked.. even if it is a bit unconventional. such a random package break
[12:11] <Crozar> :(
[12:11] <Crozar> ok
[12:11] <gnomefreak> if you cant file a bug report please dont test gutsy
[12:11] <Eq|work> Crozar : if you don't have time to work with the issues, use feisty.
[12:11] <Eq|work> scottsatkin : err.. that'd be bad.
[12:11] <Crozar> lol 1month i never met my friends even my gf hate me now
[12:12] <Eq|work> which kernel are you using?
[12:12] <awalton__> jmg, I got ubuntu running on a CAD machine, I'm sure you can run it on a dishwasher
[12:12] <scottsatkin> 2.6.22-14-386
[12:12] <m1lkc0w> awalton__: Indeed. I am not, however, reinstalling the german aspell dictionary at this time. I am sure that's what broke the aspell installation
[12:12] <Eq|work> scottsatkin : try using -generic rather than -386
[12:12] <scottsatkin> how do i change that?
[12:12] <awalton__> m1lkc0w, definitely file a bug.. hopefully someone will take a look at that dictionary and find out why it's throwing a wrench in the works
[12:13] <Eq|work> scottsatkin : use synaptic
[12:13] <jmg> Crozar: lol
[12:14] <LuitvD> scottsatkin: are you sure that SAA7134 device is the correct one?
[12:14] <scottsatkin> LuitvD: i think so, it is the only one listed
[12:14] <LuitvD> scottsatkin: I guess it's a TV tuner... do you have one in your computer?
[12:14] <jussi01> !bug | m1lkc0w
[12:14] <ubotu> m1lkc0w: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[12:14] <scottsatkin> LuitvD: yes, i do, but i also have onboard sound
[12:14] <LuitvD> scottsatkin: my TV tuner has the exact same chip, and similar inputs
[12:14] <scottsatkin> LuitvD: how can i get it to use the onboard sound instead, i am going to take the TV tuner out
[12:15] <LuitvD> scottsatkin: then your on-board sound modules aren't loaded
[12:15] <scottsatkin> LuitvD: okay, how can i figure out which modules i need for that?
[12:15] <LuitvD> scottsatkin: I don't know what device you have on-board...
[12:15] <Eq|work> scottsatkin : lspci
[12:15] <scottsatkin> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[12:16] <LuitvD> scottsatkin: I just recognized the Audio Chipset's name (SAA7134) as being the same one I have on my TV tuner :P that's where my knowledge ends
[12:17] <scottsatkin> Eq|work: how can i load the modules for my audio device: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)?
[12:17] <awalton__> sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
[12:18] <scottsatkin> FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found.
[12:18] <awalton__> O_o
[12:18] <awalton__> ruh roh.
[12:18] <jussi01> !intelhda
[12:18] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[12:19] <awalton__> just plain weird it doesn't even see the module..
[12:21] <scottsatkin> hmmm, i am trying to apt-get the required kernal headers, but i am getting the could not get lock on /var/lib/dpkg/lock message, but i am not running apt-get or anything like that, any ideas?
[12:21] <m1lkc0w> jussi01: I will file a bug report if I can reproduce the problem
[12:22] <awalton__> scottsatkin: use sudo
[12:22] <awalton__> sudo apt-get whatever
[12:22] <scottsatkin> i did
[12:22] <awalton__> is update-manager running in the background?
[12:22] <jussi01> !adeptfix
[12:22] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[12:23] <scottsatkin> yea, it was update-manager, thanks
[12:23] <awalton__> always welcome
[12:29] <savvas> scottsatkin: it's snd-hda-intel, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel but it works here: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[12:30] <scottsatkin> FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found.
[12:30] <savvas> scottsatkin: - and not _
[12:31] <scottsatkin> when i enter "sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel", i get
[12:31] <scottsatkin> "FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found."
[12:31] <scottsatkin> i am trying out: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto ... compiling alsa from scratch
[12:32] <msa> What package do I have to install, so that "pdflatex" command is available (none of packages I have looked seem to provide it, many -reference it)
[12:34] <savvas> ah
[12:34] <savvas> scottsatkin: well as I said, it works here, have you tried the tests from system > preferences > sound?
[12:35] <scottsatkin> yep, they give me the error: 			 				audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open resource for writing.
[12:36] <scottsatkin> alright, i'm going for a reboot, hopefully this works, thanks for the advice everyone
[12:37] <savvas> what does cat /proc/asound/cards say?
[12:37] <savvas> bah
[12:43] <b3nw> Hi all, trying to install but my install is stuck at 8% Starting up the partitioner "scanning disks..."
[12:43] <penguincentral> b3nw: what build are you using?
[12:43] <b3nw> the beta
[12:44] <Crozar> ive reported the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/151230
[12:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151230 in ubuntu "laptop display 4new install critical" [Undecided,New] 
[12:45] <elmargol> I uses this howto to create a pendrive http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/ . they include a initrd.gz wich needs the wrong kernel :( 2.6.22-10 instead of 2.6.22-12
[12:45] <elmargol> Any Ideas how I can create a fixed initrd.gz?
[12:47] <gnomefreak> savvas: riddell knows about it, he is head kubuntu developer
[12:47] <savvas> gnomefreak: ok thanks :)
[12:47] <gnomefreak> np
[12:48] <gnomefreak> Crozar: they may ask for your /etx/X11/xorg.conf along with /var/log/xorg.0.log or whatever its called
[12:49] <gnomefreak> and just to make something clear. your statment sounds like everyone has teh same problem as you do and in fact they dont.
[12:49] <Crozar> gnomefreak: i dont know the xorg.conf before the one i mv with
[12:50] <Crozar> coz i did mv /etc..... xorg.conf.backup etc..... xorg.conf
[12:50] <gnomefreak> Crozar: driver name being changed means nothing
[12:50] <Crozar> so i dont know what was my old one?
[12:50] <jeff1212> where can i get some killer wallpapers?
[12:50] <Eq|work> if scottsatkin comes back, tell him he should have just installed the -generic kernel packages...
[12:50] <Crozar> not drive the options show dfp and another xorg
[12:50] <Crozar> this xorg i have was from feisty
[12:50] <Crozar> omg :(
[12:50] <gnomefreak> thats bad
[12:50] <Crozar> gnomefreak: how to get my logs before this restart
[12:51] <gnomefreak> Crozar: /var/log/
[12:51] <gnomefreak> read what i wrote above and think about why they asked for files in /var/log
[12:51] <gnomefreak> the hint is there pretty much gives you your answer
[12:51] <sbc> I'm trying to connecto to a WPA peap tkip mschapv2 wireless network. I'm told by the 'staff' that those are the correct settings. Can anyone make any sence of my syslog http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40142/ or point me in the right direction for a fix? I'm using the nm-applet.
[12:52] <scottsatkin> still no luck for me, i am now booting into the "generic" kernel
[12:52] <Crozar> gnomefreak: aha ! they want my log also with my new one to see how i fixed it :P
[12:53] <scottsatkin> i have no "/proc/asound/card0" which leaves me at a dead-end from: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[12:53] <scottsatkin> any advice?
[12:54] <savvas> what does cat /proc/asound/cards say?
[12:54] <_Argasm> hi guys, can someone help me with a wireless setup ?!?  7.04 worked fine, but 7.10 doesnt wanna play
[12:54] <scottsatkin>  1 [SAA7134        ] : SAA7134 - SAA7134
[12:54] <scottsatkin>                       saa7133[0]  at 0xfeaff800 irq 22
[12:54] <scottsatkin> it's just the tvtuner, not the onboard audio
[12:54] <savvas> scottsatkin: do you have a laptop?
[12:54] <scottsatkin> maybe i should take out the tv tuner and reinstall
[12:54] <scottsatkin> no, it's a desktop
[12:55] <savvas> hm
[12:55] <savvas> scottsatkin: maybe it's clashing with the tv tuner, correct
[12:56] <_Argasm> is it normal for the Prefs->Network ting to keep switching to wep(hex) when I specifically want wep(ascii) ???
[12:56] <scottsatkin> alright savaas, i'll give it a try installing w/o the tvtuner
[12:59] <Seeker`> does anyone know where the shortcut for scrolling terminal output is defined?
[12:59] <_Argasm> pls pls can someone help me with a 7.10 wireless setup ?  it doesnt wanna play ...
[12:59] <Crozar> ok i sent all the xorgies
[12:59] <savvas> hah xorgies :)
[01:00] <gnomefreak> _Argasm: please be patient if someone knows they will try to help you but please dont keep repeating it so often
[01:00] <Crozar> does kopete how voice chat?
[01:00] <savvas> scottsatkin: if that doesn't work either.. um do you have realtek? realtek has drivers on their website
[01:00] <_Argasm> sorry guys...  just eager to get my setup working 100%...
[01:01] <Crozar> _Argasm: i lost hope for 100% , just get 80% =) windows is not 100% remember if they are this powerful
[01:01] <scottsatkin> savvas: thanks, i'll check that out
[01:01] <scottsatkin> bedtime for me now
[01:01] <savvas> nighty
[01:02] <savvas> don't let the gutsy bugs bite
[01:02] <_Argasm> Crozar: my 7.04 setup was 100% (no kidding) everything worked perfectly...  just 7.10 doesnt wanna play with wireless setup... dunno why...
[01:02] <hit> any ideas why flash doesn't make any sound?
[01:03] <Crozar> _Argasm: lets wait for the full release , its not only the libs because file association comes also from system itself ;)
[01:04] <_Argasm> wont the daily updates make it the full release ???
[01:04] <Crozar> maybe =) just wait
[01:04] <savvas> hit: 64-bit? browser? how did you install the plugin?
[01:04] <Crozar> btw _Argasmim going to format ont he day of gutsy lo
[01:04] <hit> savvas, 32, firefox non-free
[01:05] <_Argasm> lol... I prolly will also when my 7.10 cd's arrive... <excited>
[01:05] <_Argasm> am soooooo pissed off with Windows these days... never looked back....
[01:05] <Crozar> _Argasm: cant download?
[01:05] <Crozar> _Argasm: the cds loook slick?
[01:05] <hit> savvas, gnash acts way too weird i.e in youtube
[01:05] <savvas> hit: did you restart the browser after you installed the plugin?
[01:05] <_Argasm> Crozar: downloaded the beta and installed that... going away for 3 months so my cd's wil prolly be in by then :)
[01:06] <hit> savvas, yes
[01:06] <Crozar> oh so the cds gives you everything else like all softwares ect.>>?
[01:06] <hit> the sound disappeared a couple of days ago
[01:06] <hit> savvas, maybe something with alsa?
[01:06] <Crozar> is it 1 DVD? or 2DVDS?
[01:06] <_Argasm> been converting so many ppl to Ubuntu just by talking about it...  when they see it they're amazed... should realy have ordered 100 cd's
[01:07] <Crozar> _Argasm: you can make the cd's yourself u know ;)
[01:07] <Crozar> _Argasm: or do they come packaged?
[01:07] <savvas> hit: maybe, no idea, it works here
[01:07] <_Argasm> true, but there's nothing better than an official looking cd set: )
[01:08] <savvas> hit: maybe the video doesn't have any sound? :P
[01:08] <hit> savvas, lol sure has :p
[01:08] <savvas> ok just checking
[01:08] <savvas> :)
[01:08] <hit> :p
[01:08] <hit> any of flash plugins won't work
[01:08] <hit> well, they do, but not the sound
[01:09] <hit> + gnash displays youtube player very weirdly
[01:09] <_Argasm> anyone else using Opera 9.50 for Ubuntu ???
[01:10] <savvas> hit: did you uninstall gnash when you installed flash non free?
[01:11] <hit> yes
[01:11] <hit> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[01:11] <savvas> ah can't help you there, try file a bug
[01:11] <savvas> bugs.ubuntu.com
[01:11] <Kohvihoor> is gutsy's kernel compiled with largemem support?
[01:12] <hit> i had this issue once but i don't remember what was wrong then
[01:12] <gnomefreak> savvas: flash should replace gnash in the plugins file and vice versa
[01:12] <_Argasm> lol, just seen vixta.org (vista clone using linux) haha... what next
[01:13] <savvas> oki doki
[01:16] <_Argasm> is their a simple command to turn the wireless card off then on again without using the gui ?
[01:22] <_Argasm> thx guys
[01:27] <mooper> when we getting gutsy then chaps?
[01:30] <gnomefreak> mooper: read the link in the topic
[01:31] <mooper> what link?
[01:31] <mooper> gnomefreak: what link
[01:31] <gnomefreak> oh crap
[01:31] <gnomefreak> mooper: hold that though
[01:31] <gnomefreak> t
[01:31] <mooper> :D
[01:32] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[01:32] <gnomefreak> that link
[01:33] <mooper> gnomefreak ta
[01:34] <gnomefreak> mooper: yw
[01:36] <Seeker`> hmm, for me the topic ends "have a ni"
[01:37] <mooper> Seeker`: thats just your client
[01:39] <kling0n> same issue here
[01:39] <Pici> Seeker`: Mine too
[01:39] <kling0n> with xchat2
[01:39] <Pici> With irssi
[01:39] <kling0n> heh
[01:39] <gnomefreak> crap
[01:39] <gnomefreak> its char limit
[01:39] <Pici> I'll have a ni if you want though, I dont mind
[01:39] <kling0n> heh
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> mine ends with "nice"
[01:40] <kling0n> maybe you could just put the warning there and put the rest on a webpage ?
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> its just "have a nice day probably"
[01:40] <mooper> no char limit in pidgin
[01:41] <kling0n> wd
[01:42] <frying_fish> Hi guys, I've got a couple of issues, on boot I fail to get any messages (I've disabled the splash feature as I wanted to be able to see the usual what it is loading details) so currently till I get the login screen I just have a blank screen
[01:42] <kling0n> still probably the longest channel topic on freenode :)
[01:42] <gnomefreak> mooper: i believe freenode sets char limit (hence the excess flood)
[01:42] <Pici> Aww. I want my ni back.
[01:42] <frying_fish> and secondly, I don't seem to be able to access any of the ttys
[01:42] <gnomefreak> kling0n: if people would think first than run gutsy or ask questions it could be much shorter
[01:42] <kling0n> frying_fish: you probably have a wrong vga= parameter in your kernel options
[01:42] <frying_fish> and it seems to have a really distorted badly rendered magnified version of my X desktop when I try.
[01:42] <frying_fish> kling0n: used to work absolutely fine (i.e. when I had feisty on it 2 days ago)
[01:43] <gnomefreak> ok meeting time
[01:43] <Eq|work> frying_fish : gutsy and feisty are very different
[01:43] <frying_fish> however, I'm willing to accept with the new intel drivers this could be the case, as I have an i915
[01:43] <Eq|work> and gutsy is beta quality, not ready for use by the masses
[01:43] <frying_fish> Eq|work: indeed they are, as I would have expected.
[01:43] <kling0n> anyone knwo if vesafb is enabled by default in gutsy kernel?
[01:43] <hit> is it bad if there is no such file or directory: /etc/init.d/alsa ?
[01:43] <Eq|work> did you upgrade, or did you do a clean install?
[01:44] <frying_fish> I'm not complaining, just wondering that since I've not found much in the forum yet if you guys happened to know if this is a common bug
[01:44] <frying_fish> I upgraded
[01:44] <kling0n> hit sudo apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils oss-compat
[01:44] <Eq|work> that's probably the problem. odds are your xorg config isn't set up right for gutsy
[01:44] <Eq|work> make a copy of it, then edit it
[01:44] <frying_fish> so its quite possible something is wrong, also as a side question related to gfx, now with the "intel" driver instead of the need for i810 I wonder if 915resolution is still needed.
[01:45] <hit> kling0n, i didn't onlt have oss-compat
[01:45] <kling0n> btw latest update made nvidia-glx-new package stop working
[01:45] <Eq|work> it generally isn't even supported
[01:45] <hit> only*
[01:45] <frying_fish> Eq|work: yeah I re-ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to see what I could change.
[01:45] <kling0n> because restricted-modules wasn't being upograded
[01:45] <Eq|work> kling0n : that's just a timing thing
[01:45] <hit> and /etc/init.d/alsa is still missing
[01:45] <Eq|work> hit: sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base alsa-utils
[01:45] <kling0n> frying_fish: if you're not getting terminal output before X loads it's not an Xorg issue
[01:46] <kling0n> Eq|work: how so ?
[01:46] <frying_fish> Eq|work: ok, I just still had it because with the 1280x800 res the old driver didn't really do it and you need the bios hack to make it work, just wondered if thats not required any more
[01:46] <kling0n> Eq|work: doesn't matter too much for me as i just installed it manually
[01:46] <Eq|work> kling0n : the restricted modules package either hasn't been uploaded yet, or something it depends on hasn't.
[01:46] <frying_fish> kling0n: I thoguht as much.
[01:46] <kling0n> frying_fish: do you have any vga parameters to your kernel ?
[01:46] <hit> Eq|work, still nothing
[01:46] <Eq|work> frying_fish : the lack of terminal output will likely be a vga/vesa thing
[01:46] <kling0n> hit: I believe it's called /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
[01:47] <frying_fish> it is currently vga=791
[01:47] <kling0n> frying_fish: ditch that
[01:47] <frying_fish> yeah that should drop it back to the old 80xwhatever shouldn't it
[01:47] <kling0n> yup
[01:47] <Eq|work> frying_fish : sounds like it's an incorrect mode for your display
[01:47] <kling0n> Eq|work: frying_fish actually I experienced something similar
[01:47] <kling0n> just gave up on vesa console for now :)
[01:47] <Eq|work> hit : /etc/init.d/alsa may not be a ubuntu thing. i know debian has it, along with /etc/init.d/alsa-utils, but that doesn't mean ubuntu will.
[01:48] <frying_fish> will see if I get the old one back, although it seems odd that it would work with the older stuff, unless its been broken.
[01:48] <kling0n> frying_fish: check for vesafb support in your current kernel
[01:48] <hit> Eq|work: ok, but does this line tell you anything? ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[01:48] <Eq|work> frying_fish : try with no vga= part in the boot line.. (if you're worried, edit it in grub itself, on boot.. one-time change.
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> hey... is there a way to make apt-get update only get the info for one repository and leave all the others the same?
[01:49] <frying_fish> well, its the default 2.6.22-14-generic which I would assume would have it in
[01:49] <Eq|work> on its own that means roughly squat
[01:49] <kling0n> hit: check your $HOME/.asounrc
[01:49] <kling0n> hit: check your $HOME/.asoundrc
[01:49] <Eq|work> nosrednaekim : no
[01:49] <frying_fish> Eq|work: not so worried about the editing, done that and will reboot and see the result
[01:49] <frying_fish> bbs
[01:49] <hit> kling0n: there is only .asoundrc.asoundconf.old
[01:49] <hit> :P
[01:49] <hit> should i rename it?
[01:50] <kling0n> mv .asoundrc .asound.rc.old.butnotasoldastheotherone
[01:50] <kling0n> :)
[01:53] <frying_fish_> Eq|work: and kling0n that has worked, so yes the vga= parameter was wrong, I'm guessing that the vesfb stuff is now failing in gutsy?
[01:53] <Eq|work> could be
[01:54] <Eq|work> could be it's trying a different fb
[01:54] <hit> kling0n: restarted alsa and firefox, but same thing
[01:54] <frying_fish_> could well be
[01:54] <Eq|work> there may be an intel-specific one that's having issues.
[01:54] <frying_fish_> may well be
[01:54] <Eq|work> probably worth filing a bugreport if there isn't already one
[01:54] <frying_fish_> might do
[01:54] <Eq|work> likely against the kernel, but not sure
[01:54] <kling0n> hmm reminds me.. I should probably get nvidiafb loaded
[01:54] <frying_fish_> off to a lecture right now though, so will have to do this afternoon.
[01:54] <Eq|work> heh
[01:55] <frying_fish_> cheers guys btw
[01:55] <Eq|work> ahh.. warwick.
[01:55] <Eq|work> hf :P
[01:55] <frying_fish_> yes warwick
[01:55] <frying_fish_> oh right
[01:55] <Eq|work> i think our gaming society had a few competitions with yours..
[01:55] <Eq|work> few years back now though
[01:55] <frying_fish_> ahh, not involved qith that lot
[01:55] <frying_fish_> anyway gtg
[01:56] <Eq|work> by gaming i mean pc & console
[01:56] <Eq|work> :P
[01:57] <kling0n> Eq|work: we're on irc.. I dont think anyone expected you to mean "sports" :)
[01:59] <_dan_> any chance gutsy will get 2.6.23 kernel?
[02:00] <avatar_> don't think so
[02:00] <avatar_> release in 8 days
[02:00] <avatar_> today/yesterday 2.6.23 releases
[02:00] <avatar_> thats a short time testing
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> its not getting 2.6.23
[02:02] <kling0n> avatar_: that's the one thing I've never worried about.. new kernel upgrades usually fix stuff for me :)
[02:07] <elmargol> Has someone a working ubunt gutsy beta pen drive persistent?
[02:07] <hit> any more ideas why firefox is yelling "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave" when dealing with flash?
[02:07] <elmargol> I can boot from my stick but changes are not saved :(
[02:08] <Whoopie> Hi, anybody on gutsy and wants to test uswsusp with usplash support? I've added a patch to bug 109151. I'd be every grateful for any tests. Thanks.
[02:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109151 in uswsusp "no hibernate with uswsusp installed" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109151
[02:08] <bazhang> Whoopie: how to test it?
[02:09] <Whoopie> bazhang: you need to patch uswsusp and acpi-support and test hibernate.
[02:09] <Whoopie> you'd see the usplash while hibernate and resume.
[02:09] <bazhang> ok, thanks.
[02:11] <reverseblade> How can I downgrade my nvidia driver ? Current one causes frequent freezes
[02:14] <kling0n> hit: did you move/remove the .asoundrc
[02:14] <kling0n> ?
[02:15] <hit> removed now
[02:15] <cyrano> Hi. i get an error in Firefox.
[02:15] <cyrano> beaglePageLoad: beagleWriteContent/Metadata failed: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)" location: "JSframe ::
[02:15] <cyrano> chrome://beagle/content/beagleOverlay.js :: beagleWriteContent __line 112" data: no] 
[02:15] <cyrano> I realy don't know how to solve this
[02:15] <cyrano> pls. help
[02:21] <hit> weird that everything else works
[02:22] <hit> rhythmbox and so on
[02:22] <addos> why is the useragent different for firefox on gutsy?
[02:22] <_dan_> reverseblade, apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-new && apt-get install nvidia-glx
[02:22] <reverseblade> _dan_, will I get 3D with that driver ?
[02:23] <_dan_> reverseblade, yes
[02:23] <reverseblade> thanks
[02:24] <jaym> does anyone know if the gutsy available now is pretty much what will be released soon?
[02:24] <RAOF> Pretty much, yes.
[02:24] <Pici> jaym: the one available now has more bugs
[02:24] <reverseblade> jaym, DON'T run it
[02:24] <jaym> so if vpnc on network manager dont work now wont work later?
[02:24] <addos> why not?
[02:24] <RAOF> There are likely to be quite a few bugfixes released, but by and large it's going to look like it does now.
[02:25] <Pici> jaym: Are there bugs filed for the problems?
[02:25] <jaym> i have it running to test vpnc on network manager because feisty was broken
[02:25] <jaym> seems to be the same here
[02:25] <addos> why does the ubuntu boot logo/splash display so much bigger in gusty than it did in feisty?
[02:25] <_dan_> network manager works fine
[02:25] <jaym> network manager works yes not vpnc
[02:26] <jaym> i can use vpnc via command line but not on network manager
[02:26] <reverseblade> gutsy is sure an improvement over fiesty but I find it less stable than fiesty by this time
[02:26] <nanonyme> ...
[02:26] <_dan_> its a beta
[02:27] <reverseblade> yeah
[02:27] <_dan_> what do u expect?
[02:27] <nanonyme> indeed
[02:27] <reverseblade> but 1 week left
[02:27] <_dan_> so?
[02:27] <_dan_> its a beta
[02:27] <reverseblade> I didn't say it is not beta
[02:27] <jaym> im thrilled wireless works with just a few clicks now in gutsy :)
[02:27] <_dan_> its like buying a broken tv on ebay and ranting that it doenst show you a picture
[02:27] <bazhang> some distros work better on my hardware than others..
[02:28] <bazhang> Gutsy is working well; Feisty, not so much.
[02:28] <reverseblade> _dan_, it's not conclusive but I compare with fiesty release candidate
[02:28] <reverseblade> _dan_, and may be it's just me
[02:28] <bazhang> will Gutsy have an RC?
[02:28] <reverseblade> bazhang, within few days it will
[02:28] <atlef> does anyone manage their phone in gutsy, and if so, which program do you use?
[02:28] <jaym> well if it can browse web, IM and do updates when needed i may switch my main desktop to gutsy :)
[02:28] <bazhang> reverseblade: it's not just you.
[02:28] <_dan_> bazhang, there is a release schedule in topic i think u can look it up there
[02:28] <hit> bazhang: tomorrow maybe
[02:29] <bazhang> thanks!
[02:29] <bazhang> uh _dan_ and hit! Cheers!
[02:29] <reverseblade> I also felt the same for dapper
[02:30] <reverseblade> and dapper had the worst stability among all other releases. I know it had significant changes in the core
[02:32] <hit> any ideas why a friend of mine always fails on ubuntu installation?
[02:32] <hit> the installer just closes itself
[02:32] <_dan_> thats a very detailed error description
[02:33] <hit> no errors displayed
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> hit: try the alternate installer.
[02:33] <hit> alternate?
[02:35] <hit> ah
[02:36] <reverseblade> hit, specifically at what  part it fails
[02:37] <hit> randomly when installing, at 20%, at 54% ....
[02:37] <reverseblade> hit, can you boot with live CD ?
[02:37] <_dan_> try alternate installer and look for io errors
[02:37] <hit> live cd works
[02:38] <vincenz> I placed "Monospace-10" for emacs font n my .Xresources, but for some reason, it can't find it
[02:38] <reverseblade> hit, check the CD
[02:38] <reverseblade> hit, and try alternate installer as said
[02:38] <hit> reverseblade: cd has been downloaded and burned multiple times
[02:39] <hit> ok
[02:39] <reverseblade> hit, you can check the CD at the beginning of the installer
[02:39] <reverseblade>  I mean live CD booting
[02:39] <bazhang> hit: might also be related to media quality
[02:39] <_dan_> checking > downloading multiple times and wasting multiple cds :P
[02:39] <reverseblade> hit, multiple burns and downloads doesn't guarantee CD is okay
[02:39] <vincenz> How can I find the available fonts on my system?
[02:40] <hit> CD check said everything's ok
[02:40] <_dan_> alternative installer then and check console for errors
[02:40] <hit> ok..
[02:41] <hit> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/    empty?
[02:48] <iu__> hello
[02:48] <savvas> hit: read below it
[02:48] <iu__> how does 7.10 treat a usb stick?
[02:48] <avatar_> rc1 is coming soon to a mirror near you
[02:49] <iu__> auto mounted or manually?
[02:50] <savvas> iu__: as in feisty, automatical
[02:50] <savvas> -al
[02:50] <iu__> where can i find it?
[02:50] <savvas> find what? gutsy?
[02:50] <savvas> wait for the release candidate
[02:50] <iu__> mounted usb stick
[02:50] <darkangel> hello im a newb is gusty stable enough to install from 7.04 and run as my default desktop
[02:50] <iu__> i checked fstab and mtab, nothing there
[02:50] <Pici> darkangel: no, wait for the release.
[02:50] <savvas> iu__: it should show it to you on the desktop
[02:51] <darkangel> Pici: ok thanks
[02:52] <savvas> iu__: from the menu: system > administration > removalbe drives and media, uncheck and check again the first three (mount drives, mount media and browse media)
[02:52] <iu__> k lemme try
[02:55] <bazhang> hey!
[02:55] <TheInfinity> Hobbsee: hmm?
[02:55] <bazhang> TheReBooter: you there?
[02:56] <Hobbsee> TheInfinity: --> /query
[02:57] <bazhang> TheReBooter: may have found a fix for your Macbook sound issues: www.ubuntu-tutorials.com  talks all about installing Kubuntu and Ubuntu Gutsy on IntelMacs.
[02:58] <iu__> couldnt find the Removable drives and media
[02:58] <iu__> im using 7.10
[03:00] <addos> damn
[03:00] <addos> add/remove applications is buggy on gusty beta1
[03:01] <iu> Yikes!
[03:01] <savvas> iu: oops, under preferences
[03:01] <iu> ok :)
[03:03] <Pici> addos: how so?
[03:03] <savvas> addos: the only beta I know is beta with no 1 :P
[03:03] <addos> it just stops drawing
[03:03] <addos> and won't work
[03:03] <addos> and I can't kill the process either
[03:04] <addos> ubuntu   23228  0.1  2.4  49168 25316 ?        D    12:59   0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/gnome-app-install
[03:04] <savvas> addos: try the system monitor
[03:05] <addos> using it to kill the process?
[03:05] <savvas> yeah
[03:05] <Pici> Does this always happen, do you see any bugs for it on launchpad, have you filed a bug? What were you doing when it crashed.. etc.
[03:05] <addos> what the hell
[03:05] <addos> system monitor looked like it was starting, and then never ran
[03:06] <iu> hmmm
[03:06] <addos> ubuntu   23264  0.4  1.1  35328 12096 ?        S    13:04   0:00 gnome-system-monitor
[03:06] <addos> it claims to be running, but I don't see any view of it on the display
[03:06] <iu> dmesg says usb stick was detected as /dev/sdc
[03:06] <iu> i did edit umounted Removable media to pop as a new window
[03:06] <Solarion> is 2.6.23 going to be in gutsy?
[03:07] <iu> yet nothing happens when i plugin the usb stick
[03:07] <savvas> Solarion: maybe 2.6.22-15
[03:07] <Solarion> savvas: so that's no?
[03:07] <hetauma_> in prefered applications under multimedia shouldn't I be able to see apart from rythmbox and totem any other player that I might have installed like mplayer amarok or vlc?
[03:07] <Solarion> savvas: or have CFS and friends been backported?
[03:08] <savvas> Solarion: well you never know, it depends on the developers :) if they find it stable enough..
[03:08] <Solarion> heh
[03:08] <hetauma_> 2.6.23 was released yesterday?
[03:08] <savvas> Solarion: try http://answers.launchpad.net
[03:08] <Solarion> savvas: magic 8 ball?  :)
[03:08] <hetauma_> could it be definetly stable in 8 days?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Solarion: no.
[03:09] <savvas> Solarion: no, real users, at least your question will be recorded
[03:09] <Solarion> that's disappointing.  :)
[03:09] <Hobbsee> it's been long told that it wont be in.
[03:09] <Hobbsee> it's got a whole lot of the fixes already in though
[03:09] <savvas> there  you have it :p
[03:09] <savvas> Solarion: you magic 8 ball, Hobbsee :D
[03:10] <Solarion> magic 8 ball *would* be fun
[03:10] <savvas> we have ubotu for that
[03:10] <Solarion> ubotu: deep
[03:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about deep - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:10] <Solarion> aww
[03:10] <savvas> !Solarium
[03:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about solarium - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:11] <Hobbsee> savvas: heh
[03:11] <savvas> addos: did you fix that?
[03:12] <savvas> addos: did you insert a wireless usb, or any device in usb?
[03:13] <savvas> I've been usually getting that in feisty, the drivers would eat up all the available cpu
[03:13] <Solarion> Dunno about drivers, but my beagle-helper eats 100% cpu
[03:13] <Solarion> looks like it was polling on a socket
[03:14] <Solarion> ha.  "I'm holding off upgrading until they implement the Harsh But Demonstrably Fair Scheduler"
[03:15] <savvas> has anyone tested gnome-main-menu ?
[03:15] <Solarion> savvas: I used it a bit, but am using gimme full-time now
[03:15] <iu> time to reboot :)
[03:15] <savvas> gimme what? :p
[03:16] <savvas> Solarion: gimmie ?
[03:17] <addos> yes, I have a usb jumpdrive plugged in
[03:17] <savvas> oooh nice
[03:18] <addos> is the jumpdrive causing a problem?
[03:18] <I-hate-xp> hi, anybody help: i replaced a "geforce2 ti" with  a "geforce4 mx440", then gutsy failed to start the GDM,  anybody help?
[03:18] <savvas> addos: maybe
[03:18] <savvas> addos: can you open a terminal?
[03:18] <addos> I have one open already
[03:18] <savvas> addos: ok type: top
[03:18] <addos> ok
[03:19] <addos> running
[03:19] <Solarion> savvas: apt-cache search gimmie
[03:19] <savvas> press enter, then press q
[03:19] <savvas> addos: press enter, then press q
[03:19] <addos> ok, it quit
[03:19] <savvas> addos: do you have anything eating up the cpu?
[03:19] <I-hate-xp> hi, anybody help: i replaced a "geforce2 ti" with  a "geforce4 mx440", then gutsy failed to start the GDM,  i can run "apt-get" command, but i don't know what to get
[03:20] <addos> not from there, at least that I can tell
[03:20] <addos> let me start top and press i
[03:20] <savvas> addos: ok
[03:20] <addos> 23313 ubuntu    15   0  2368 1184  880 R    0  0.1   0:00.04 top
[03:20] <addos> 23142 ubuntu    17   0 49548  25m  13m D    0  2.5   0:00.36 gnome-codec-ins
[03:20] <addos> 23147 ubuntu    25   0 49160  24m  13m D    0  2.4   0:00.35 gnome-app-insta
[03:20] <Pici> nono
[03:20] <addos> 23228 ubuntu    25   0 49168  24m  13m D    0  2.4   0:00.38 gnome-app-insta
[03:20] <addos> 23267 ubuntu    18   0  4956 1596 1428 D    0  0.2   0:00.00 apt-cache
[03:20] <Pici> !paste | addos
[03:20] <addos> 23280 ubuntu    20   0  4952 1592 1428 D    0  0.2   0:00.00 apt-cache
[03:20] <addos> are the only non idle processes
[03:20] <ubotu> addos: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:22] <addos> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40153/
[03:22] <nemo_work> eSVN 0.6.12 has been updated in debian sid.  Is there any chance it will make it into gutsy?
[03:22] <nemo_work> 0.6.11 is broken against svn in feisty
[03:23] <I-hate-xp> savvas: can you help me? i replace an old nvidia card with a new "geforce4 mx440", but gutsy failed to start the GDM/gnome. how to solve this problem?
[03:23] <qzio> I-hate-xp: tried the nvidia drivers?
[03:23] <nemo_work> alternatively, since the package for lenny/sid requires libc6  (>= 2.6-1) I was wondering if perhaps gutsy fulfills that requirement
[03:24] <hydrogen> yes
[03:24] <I-hate-xp> qzio: show me the steps to follow.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> sleepynate: found you.
[03:25] <I-hate-xp> qzio: i can use command line and network at that computer.
[03:25] <sleepynate> ahh, there you are :)
[03:25] <Pici> nemo_work: I dont see any open bugs logged against it
[03:25] <Hobbsee> sleepynate: i'm in many places...
[03:25] <qzio> I-hate-xp: apt-cache search nvidia
[03:25] <benzon> Think i found a problem in Gutsy
[03:25] <sleepynate> tell me we've been idling here and never known
[03:25] <savvas> I-hate-xp: um... can you load the graphical desktop interface?
[03:25] <qzio> I-hate-xp: you might need to add universe/restricted in you /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:25] <Hobbsee> sleepynate: heh.  danni's in here too
[03:26] <Hobbsee> usually
[03:26] <I-hate-xp> let me see if that is added.
[03:26] <sleepynate> Hobbsee: no idea who that is
[03:26] <savvas> addos: try killing them with: kill -9 pid
[03:26] <addos> I did try
[03:26] <addos> and it didn't work
[03:26] <savvas> with -9 ?
[03:26] <addos> even with sudo
[03:26] <addos> yes, with -9
[03:26] <savvas> hm..
[03:26] <addos> I may just reboot
[03:26] <addos> :(
[03:26] <Hobbsee> sleepynate: danni on afternet.
[03:26] <benzon> when i install the restricet ATI Driver i actualy cant use Compiz functions any more
[03:26] <I-hate-xp> qzio: i have restricted
[03:26] <addos> and not plugin a usb stick
[03:26] <savvas> addos: killall -9 gnome-app-install
[03:27] <I-hate-xp> qzio: then?
[03:27] <addos> killall didn't work either
[03:27] <addos> they are still running
[03:27] <savvas> addos: ok, leave the usb plugged in, and reboot
[03:27] <addos> what does the D under the S mean?
[03:27] <humbolto> Did anybody try to upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy lately. When I last tried (Tribe 5, was it?) it did not work due to a problem with libc6 upgrade! Is this still the case? Please have a look at bug #136337.
[03:27] <savvas> see if that fixes it
[03:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136337 in libc "libc6 and/or libc6-i686 upgrade fail" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136337
[03:27] <humbolto> This might be a show stopper!
[03:28] <nemo_work> Pici: ok. what about the libc thing?
[03:28] <humbolto> Just like the xorg problem we had with Feisty!
[03:28] <qzio> I-hate-xp: the apt-cache search nvidia will probaly show you something?
[03:28] <nemo_work> Pici: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/esvn  this seems to imply they mean to ship with the broken package
[03:28] <nemo_work> yes?
[03:29] <I-hate-xp> qzio: too many things, not knowing with one is approriate for me .
[03:29] <benzon> Any one had this problem - When you install the ATI Restricet driver the Compiz functions dont work any more?
[03:29] <humbolto> Upgrading from Feisty did not work due to a problem with libc6 upgrade. I am wondering if it is working already. Since nobody answered to my bug report, I don't know if this is yet resolved!
[03:29] <qzio> nvidia-glx-new or something, hey i'm just guessing, I'm not using nvidia so.. :)
[03:29] <benzon> humbolto, do a clean install upgrade is always a bad thing
[03:29] <savvas> I-hate-xp: which card did you have before?
[03:29] <Kaur> has anyone been successful running gutsy with two monitors while both have different resolution?
[03:30] <qzio> I-hate-xp: nvidia-settings might be interesting too
[03:30] <Pici> nemo_work: Yes, Gutsy meets the libc6 version requirement.  It looks like there have been some upgrades since the feisty release, but I can't say if they fix the brokeness or not.
[03:30] <humbolto> benzon: yeah yeah. It should work though! And most people who use Ubuntu as a production environment will rather upgrade than clean install!
[03:30] <nemo_work> Pici: RapidSVN is not clever enough to identify changes in sub folders that I can tell, and has an annoying interaction I've run into that makes it non-functional for me
[03:30] <nemo_work> (bug #58171)
[03:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58171 in xorg "Connection to ICE-unix/.. socket times out so programs take minutes to start" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58171
[03:31] <Pici> An xorg bug?
[03:31] <humbolto> Pici: nemo_work: somebody better try and fix this!
[03:31] <I-hate-xp> savvas: before i used a geforce2 ti, and the drivers is nvidia-legacy, i believe
[03:31] <nemo_work> if it wasn't for RapidSVN's deficiencies I'd just stick with that since I'm running a gnome desktop :)
[03:31] <benzon> humbolto, not me - got it ad 20 computers we dont do upgrades we do clean :)
[03:31] <Pici> nemo_work: File a bug against it then!
[03:31] <savvas> I-hate-xp: ok do this: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-legacy nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-new
[03:32] <humbolto> Pici: you remember when xorg did not work anymore after some package upgrade. That was an embarrassment for Ubuntu, wasn't it? That's why we have unbreakable X now.
[03:32] <nemo_work> Pici: mm. aight.  That's the way versions get bumped eh...
[03:32] <Pici> nemo_work: Thats the way it works, yes.
[03:32] <I-hate-xp> savvas: at once?
[03:32] <Pici> humbolto: Okay?
[03:33] <humbolto> Pici: nemo_work: The libc6 problem will be as much emarrassing as the xorg breakage, so I suggest somebody rather has a look!
[03:33] <savvas> I-hate-xp: well yes
[03:33] <benzon> No one got problems with the Restriced driver and Compiz?
[03:33] <Pici> humbolto: What problem? nemo_work and I were talking about esvn, not libc6.
[03:33] <humbolto> pici nemo_work: Since nobody reacted to my bug report for more than 2 month or so, I tell here!
[03:33] <nemo_work> Pici: this is confusing
[03:33] <nemo_work> Pici: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/esvn/+bug/92181
[03:33] <Pici> nemo_work: I knwo.
[03:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92181 in esvn "esvn is not compatible with current svn version in feisty" [Medium,Fix released] 
[03:33] <savvas> I-hate-xp: are you on gnome btw?
[03:33] <I-hate-xp> savvas: i guess that command remove 3 things, right?
[03:33] <nemo_work> Pici: it seems that a bug exists and was tagged fixed
[03:34] <humbolto> Pici: libc6 upgrade form feisty to gutsy is broken!
[03:34] <nemo_work> even though the actual package never made it to any repo
[03:34] <I-hate-xp> savvas: no, i am using another computer to the irc,
[03:34] <I-hate-xp> the ubuntu one is beside
[03:34] <Pici> nemo_work: The bug is just when launching the program, no config needed?
[03:34] <savvas> I-hate-xp: it will remove one of them
[03:34] <nemo_work> Pici: I did contact the debian maintainer a couple of weeks ago to push 0.6.12 into sid/lenny
[03:34] <Pici> nemo_work: I'll test it in gutysy.
[03:34] <humbolto> Is there anybody from canonical here?
[03:34] <savvas> I-hate-xp: the one that you have
[03:34] <nemo_work> Pici: the bug is that it can't read the svn 1.4 format
[03:34] <nemo_work> so virtually entire UI is broken
[03:34] <Pici> nemo_work: hrm.
[03:34] <nemo_work> no file info, no version info
[03:35] <nemo_work> no indication of changes
[03:35] <I-hate-xp> ok, i am running it.........
[03:35] <savvas> humbolto: apt-cache policy libc6
[03:35] <savvas> !paste | humbolto
[03:35] <ubotu> humbolto: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:35] <nemo_work> Pici: I'm surprised the bug was tagged fixed :)  I see no indication of patches (unneeded anyway)
[03:36] <Pici> nemo_work: me too.
[03:36] <I-hate-xp> savvas: do
[03:36] <I-hate-xp> savvas: done
[03:36] <I-hate-xp> savvas: then?
[03:37] <addos> hmm, well, it still crashes even after a reboot. It seems to crash when I search for a plugin/codec from totem
[03:37] <Pici> nemo_work: File a bug to have it synced from debian and cit this bug as a reason why.
[03:37] <Pici> s/cit/cite
[03:37] <nemo_work> oh well, I can wait 'till Oct. 18th to have a decent linux svn GUI I guess...
[03:37] <nemo_work> Pici: funny. a new bug eh.
[03:37] <nemo_work> fine.
[03:37] <savvas> I-hate-xp: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i "nv"
[03:37] <humbolto> savvas: did you have a look at the bug report?
[03:37] <Pici> nemo_work: Or just add onto that bug and I'll change the status.
[03:38] <humbolto> savvas: Bug #136337
[03:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136337 in libc "libc6 and/or libc6-i686 upgrade fail" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136337
[03:38] <I-hate-xp> savvas: identifier ..............  geforce2 ti  , things like that.
[03:39] <savvas> I-hate-xp: paste at http://pastebin.ca please
[03:40] <savvas> humbolto: wait for the release candidate if you're still in feisty
[03:40] <addos> when is the release candidate going to be out?
[03:40] <nemo_work> Pici: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/esvn/+bug/151289
[03:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151289 in esvn "Please merge eSVN 0.6.12 from debian lenny/sid to Gutsy - fixes svn incompatibility." [Undecided,New] 
[03:40] <savvas> addos: /topic
[03:41] <I-hate-xp> savvas: wait a second.
[03:42] <I-hate-xp> identifier  nvidia geforce2 ti
[03:42] <I-hate-xp> driver nvidia
[03:42] <I-hate-xp> device nvidia geforce2 ti
[03:42] <I-hate-xp> roughly that.
[03:43] <savvas> ah ok
[03:43] <addos> why won't kill -9 kill those processes?
[03:43] <savvas> addos: maybe something else re-runs them
[03:43] <addos> does it have something to do with the D under the S in top?
[03:43] <addos> nah, the pid doesn't change
[03:45] <savvas> I-hate-xp: ok, follow my instructions: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak && sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:45] <I-hate-xp> savvas: no more guidance??
[03:46] <I-hate-xp> backup one, then edit it?
[03:46] <savvas> I-hate-xp: you'll hit the down arrow keypad until you see the line Driver "nvidia"
[03:46] <savvas> I-hate-xp: yes
[03:46] <savvas> I-hate-xp: change the Driver "nvidia" to: Driver "nv"
[03:47] <savvas> I-hate-xp: i.e. you backspace idia :P
[03:47] <savvas> I-hate-xp: after that hit ctrl-x and answer y (twice I think)
[03:48] <I-hate-xp> ok, following
[03:48] <savvas> I-hate-xp: when that's done you should be back to command prompt, do: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[03:49] <savvas> I-hate-xp: you should be able to run gnome now, correct?
[03:49] <I-hate-xp> savvas: responce is OK
[03:50] <savvas> I-hate-xp: it didn't show you the graphical login interface?
[03:50] <I-hate-xp> savvas: wait, no luck
[03:51] <savvas> I-hate-xp: errors?
[03:51] <I-hate-xp> savvas: when i alt+f7 back to tty7, nothing shows
[03:51] <savvas> I-hate-xp: it should take you back on its own
[03:51] <savvas> hm..
[03:52] <savvas> I-hate-xp: ok do this: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:52] <I-hate-xp> though just now in the command line it says : starting the gnome manager ...........[ok] 
[03:52] <savvas> I think that's the one for your new card
[03:52] <I-hate-xp> savvas: ok, i run it........
[03:52] <humbolto> savvas: I wait until the final release. But still the question is, if an upgrade will work. Is nothing changed concerning the libc6 upgrade process since Tribe 5 I can garantee it will not! I reproduced this bug several times!!!
[03:52] <I-hate-xp> savvas: done
[03:54] <savvas> I-hate-xp: ok now: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[03:55] <I-hate-xp> savvas: done
[03:55] <savvas> I-hate-xp: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:55] <savvas> I-hate-xp: after that, reboot: sudo shutdown -r now
[03:56] <I-hate-xp> savvas: how about sudo reboot?
[03:56] <savvas> humbolto: if they haven't replied, my guess is that they are aware it exists, so it'd be better to check the release candidate tomorrow
[03:57] <savvas> I-hate-xp: i like his one better :P
[03:57] <bushwakko> my external mouse halts a sec everytime i type on my keyboard, my touchpad doesnt! what is the reason for this?
[03:57] <I-hate-xp> savvas: done.
[03:57] <I-hate-xp> savvas: reboot
[03:57] <bushwakko> it does this in gpm in console too
[03:57] <I-hate-xp> ing.........
[03:58] <MikeDX> so, big question then. should i be using gutsy or shall i wait until final? I've been using ubuntu since last year so I'm not a stranger to apt/dpkg and I've used *nix systems since forever (since xenix in fact)
[03:59] <humbolto> savvas: If they would know it exists, they would have set the bug to "Confirmed"!
[03:59] <humbolto> Again, did anybody try an upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy lately???
[03:59] <addos> why is the gutsy splash so much larger than the feisty splash?
[03:59] <humbolto> Successfully?
[03:59] <savvas> MikeDX: the real question is, can you take it if things are broken? :)
[04:00] <MikeDX> well thats the thing isnt it... how broken is it?
[04:00] <savvas> MikeDX: wait until tomorrow, the release candidate is due october 11th
[04:00] <MikeDX> cool i'll do that
[04:00] <savvas> MikeDX: it depends, for laptops there are a lot of people complaining
[04:00] <MikeDX> im about to build a new system
[04:01] <I-hate-xp> savvas: still no luck
[04:02] <savvas> I-hate-xp: the graphical interface doesn't show? does it point out any errors?
[04:02] <I-hate-xp> savvas: doesn't show
[04:02] <I-hate-xp> savvas: silence
[04:03] <I-hate-xp> savvas: silently
[04:03] <savvas> I-hate-xp: do: uname -r
[04:03] <I-hate-xp> 2.6.22-14-386
[04:04] <savvas> I-hate-xp: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-386
[04:04] <Pici> I-hate-xp: why are you running 386 and not generic?
[04:05] <savvas> don't confuse him, his card isn't still working, one step at a time :P
[04:06] <I-hate-xp> savvas: running apt-get .............
[04:06] <savvas> I-hate-xp: is it installing it?
[04:06] <I-hate-xp> savvas: yes
[04:07] <I-hate-xp>  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386
[04:07] <savvas> yep
[04:07] <savvas> I-hate-xp: after that: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:07] <I-hate-xp> 16.7M. i have a slow connection, so still installing.........
[04:08] <savvas> no probs
[04:08] <savvas> :)
[04:08] <savvas> let's hope this works though
[04:08] <I-hate-xp> savvas: btw, how to copy&paste to putty??
[04:08] <savvas> uh...
[04:09] <savvas> you're doing this in putty?!
[04:09] <I-hate-xp> savvas: i am using xp/putty, ubuntu/installing
[04:09] <savvas> argh
[04:09] <benzon> Is there any one that got Experience with emerald on Gutsy?
[04:10] <savvas> I-hate-xp: for the love of.. how were you expecting to see a graphical user interface with putty?! plug the monitor to ubuntu!
[04:10] <benzon> I-hate-xp, Jesus use VNC if you want to the the desktop and remote controle your computer
[04:11] <I-hate-xp> savvas: don't worry, the ubutu box is just by my side, i can see everything , with my reach
[04:11] <I-hate-xp> within my reach.
[04:11] <savvas> ah good
[04:11] <savvas> but I still prefer the tty/console to be from there
[04:11] <I-hate-xp> savvas: if it shows graphical, i won't miss it.
[04:12] <savvas> I-hate-xp: when you give out the gdm restart command, do it from the ubuntu machine
[04:12] <I-hate-xp> savvas: sure, i see
[04:13] <addos> does anyone know why the ubuntu splash screen in gutsy is a lower resolution than the one in feisty?
[04:14] <I-hate-xp> savvas: say, where is the bullet-proof X?
[04:14] <I-hate-xp> savvas: if such a thing exists, i shouldn't have such fuss.
[04:15] <I-hate-xp> savvas: did i miss it?
[04:15] <MikeDX> uhm
[04:15] <MikeDX> did i just hear that correctly?
[04:15] <MikeDX> x over putty? :|
[04:16] <Luke> my girlfriend is running gutsy and every time she updates some packages (i'm not sure which) her X stops working because of sync/resolution problems. she's got a dell inspiron laptop w/ ati graphics
[04:16] <nemo_work> Pici: soo, any chance it'll make it into next week's release? I can be patient a week :)
[04:16] <savvas> I-hate-xp: what bullet-proof X?
[04:16] <MikeDX> Luke, I have that but only with kernel upgrades
[04:17] <Luke> MikeDX: that could potentially be the problems
[04:17] <savvas> I-hate-xp: if you want bullet-proof.. what are you doing in BETA? :)
[04:17] <MikeDX> Luke usually its a gfx card driver reinstall because of the kernel module compatibility
[04:17] <Luke> MikeDX: What fixed the problem once when I was changing the default res to 800x600
[04:18] <MikeDX> how strange
[04:18] <I-hate-xp> savvas: hoho, just a guess
[04:19] <I-hate-xp> savvas: done with the module installation.
[04:19] <savvas> the thing is, one you can't use a driver, you have to reconfigure the xserver-xorg
[04:19] <savvas> I-hate-xp: ok, now naturally and not through ssh: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:19] <addos> is there any easy way to download all of the source for a particular ubuntu release, without having to grab individual pieces?
[04:19] <MikeDX> I-hate-xp: are you doing this in a vm?
[04:21] <savvas> Luke: do you remember the reconfigure command? dpkg --configure ?
[04:21] <MikeDX> is dpkg-reconfigure an alias for dpkg --configure?
[04:21] <I-hate-xp> MikeDX: no.
[04:22] <I-hate-xp> MikeDX: in a real machine
[04:22] <savvas> ah, thanks MikeDX  ;)
[04:22] <Luke> savvas: I think you mean dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[04:22] <savvas> correct, Luke
[04:22] <Luke> yea I've used that
[04:22] <LjL> hi, on starting Kubuntu, apport informed me that kdeinit crashed, but that there was not enough free memory to send a report: http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5691/kdeinitcrashqp3.png - this is what 'free' and 'ps aux' have to say on the issue: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40159/ - it would seem to me that apache might be the problem, perhaps
[04:23] <savvas> I-hate-xp: how's it going?
[04:24] <I-hate-xp> savvas: odd, "there already appears to be an X server running on display 0 , blah blah "
[04:25] <MikeDX> that'll be /etc/init.d/gdm restart that did that
[04:26] <I-hate-xp> savvas: where should i shoot?
[04:26] <I-hate-xp> savvas: reboot?
[04:26] <savvas> I-hate-xp: try, but this time use: sudo shutdown -r now
[04:26] <savvas> I never tried sudo reboot before
[04:26] <MikeDX> you shouldnt ever have to reboot.. unless you are doing a kernel upgrade (and even thats debatable)
[04:26] <MikeDX> sudo reboot works i think
[04:27] <dfgas_> k, when gnome boots up, and i try to load ekiga it doesn't show up, but if i goto console and ps aux it shows it running, so if i kill it and re run it again it shows up then. any ideas?
[04:27] <I-hate-xp> savvas: ok
[04:27] <I-hate-xp> savvas: rebooting.........
[04:28] <savvas> cross your fingers
[04:28] <savvas> (works for me :P)
[04:28] <I-hate-xp> savvas: btw, i also add 256M memory when replacing the old nvidia card. does it affect the whole thing?
[04:29] <savvas> it shouldn't
[04:29] <savvas> if you get to load the kernel, the memory shouldn't play a big part
[04:29] <I-hate-xp> savvas: still no graphic desktop.
[04:29] <savvas> argh
[04:29] <savvas> I-hate-xp: any errors?
[04:29] <apothus> exit
[04:30] <I-hate-xp> savvas: it blinked for 3 times, then fell to silence....
[04:30] <savvas> apothus: the door to the left ;)
[04:31] <savvas> I-hate-xp: no errors? no blue screen telling you it failed to do something?
[04:31] <Pici> I'm wondering why bulletproof-x isnt coming up
[04:31] <I-hate-xp> savvas: i can feel that it struggled,
[04:31] <I-hate-xp> savvas: no blue, just dark screen. i am using an old monitor, philips 105s
[04:32] <savvas> well I can feel that something's broken
[04:32] <albert23> Whoopie: ping uswsusp
[04:32] <savvas> I-hate-xp: do this (no ssh): sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:32] <bazhang> albert23: you did the patch?
[04:33] <I-hate-xp> savvas: can you figure out what are necessary to motivate a nvidia card?
[04:33] <savvas> I-hate-xp: when it's time to select drivers for the card, select "nv"
[04:33] <albert23> bazhang: yes I did. But now I have a problem: my swap is not recognized anymore
[04:33] <I-hate-xp> savvas: ok, i will do it
[04:33] <bazhang> albert23: wow. so that is a real show-stopper bug then
[04:33] <savvas> I-hate-xp: I have no idea :\ the modules should help load it up
[04:34] <albert23> bazhang: possibly, I'll try on motu
[04:35] <Whoopie> albert23: hi
[04:35] <Whoopie> albert23: is the swap correctly set in /etc/uswsusp.conf ?
[04:36] <albert23> Whoopie: It looks like uswsusp killd my swap device. I had swap recognized, but now not anymore
[04:36] <albert23> Whoopie: the swap was in uswsusp correcly
[04:36] <Whoopie> so no swap with "free" ?
[04:36] <albert23> /var/log/syslog:Oct 10 16:10:35 BTO kernel: [   56.749506]  Unable to find swap-space signature
[04:37] <albert23> before 16.10 it was recognized
[04:37] <Whoopie> albert23: did you resume successfully or not?
[04:37] <Whoopie> albert23: could you do "sudo mkswap /dev/sdaXXX", reboot and try again?
[04:37] <albert23> With uswsusp the hibernate seemed successfull, but resume was just a normal reboot
[04:38] <savvas> I-hate-xp: hang in there :)
[04:38] <albert23> without uswsusp I got warned I did not have swap
[04:39] <Whoopie> albert23: ok, and to "sudo update-initramfs -k 2.6.22-14-generic" -c"
[04:39] <Whoopie> s/to/do
[04:39] <I-hate-xp> savvas: done reconfigure
[04:39] <albert23> Another point: when installing uswsusp, it regenerated all my initrd versions. When I removed it, it only regenerated the last initrd
[04:39] <I-hate-xp> savvas: then?
[04:39] <Whoopie> albert23: you already deinstalled?
[04:39] <albert23> Sure
[04:39] <bushwakko> my intel hda isn't working in gutsy
[04:40] <bushwakko> I have all the devices and everything
[04:40] <bushwakko> everything seems fine
[04:40] <bushwakko> just there is no sound
[04:40] <bushwakko> I have set all available channels to max
[04:40] <albert23> Just to see if hibernate would work correctly without uswsusp. I can re-install uswsusp without problem
[04:40] <MTecknology> why can't I get screen brightness to work? :(
[04:40] <MTecknology> I can't think of anything else to try
[04:40] <Whoopie> albert23: would be great if you installed again and try the steps above.
[04:40] <Whoopie> sorry for the typos
[04:41] <SeanConnery> is there some reason I have 659 updates for gutsy?
[04:41] <albert23> Whoopie: so first the mkswap, then reboot and install uswsusp again?
[04:41] <I-hate-xp> savvas: hi, there?
[04:42] <Whoopie> albert23: yes, and after Installing, regenerate the initramfs.
[04:43] <albert23> Whoopie: but uswsusp regenerated the initrd itself. Was that not enough?
[04:43] <I-hate-xp> savvas: ok, i succeed,
[04:43] <I-hate-xp> savvas: thanks, i see the desktop again.....  1000*1000 thanks
[04:43] <savvas> I-hate-xp: great
[04:43] <MikeDX> :\
[04:44] <savvas> I-hate-xp: not done yet :)
[04:44] <I-hate-xp> savvas: oh?
[04:44] <I-hate-xp> savvas: guide me
[04:44] <savvas> I-hate-xp: login, go to the system > administration > restricted drivers manager
[04:44] <savvas> I-hate-xp: enable the driver there
[04:45] <I-hate-xp> savvas: hey, i don't see the section as > restricted drivers manager
[04:45] <I-hate-xp> savvas: how to add it?
[04:45] <savvas> I-hate-xp: serious?
[04:46] <nalioth> anybody have udevd taking 100% cpu on startup?  i kill it and restart it and it behaves after that
[04:46] <savvas> I-hate-xp: in a terminal type: gksu restricted-manager
[04:46] <I-hate-xp> savvas: yes, serious
[04:46] <MTecknology> Anybody want to help me figure out why screen brightness works in 7.04 but not 7.10?
[04:47] <savvas> I-hate-xp: does it come up?
[04:47] <I-hate-xp> savvas: no. it looks like i don't have the package installed.
[04:47] <I-hate-xp>  savvas : install it now?
[04:48] <savvas> I-hate-xp: sudo apt-get install --reinstall restricted-manager restricted-manager-core
[04:48] <albert23> Whoopie: mkswap changed the uuid, need another reboot
[04:48] <savvas> I-hate-xp: are you using ubuntu 7.10 gutsy gibbon beta or something else?
[04:49] <I-hate-xp> gutsy beta
[04:49] <I-hate-xp> savvas: installation done
[04:49] <savvas> well don't get me wrong but someone must've played with it
[04:49] <savvas> I-hate-xp: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[04:50] <Pici> I-hate-xp: kubuntu or ubuntu?
[04:50] <avu> I just tried downloading the gutsy beta and can't find the image on any mirror. (e.g. http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/ - as linked on http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta)
[04:50] <avu> where shall I look instead?
[04:51] <I-hate-xp> savvas: ubuntu.  i have seen the restricted driver manager and enabled the driver.
[04:51] <I-hate-xp> savvas: is that all?
[04:51] <savvas> I-hate-xp: you should restart
[04:51] <savvas> I-hate-xp: well.. do you want to install the -generic kernel ?
[04:51] <I-hate-xp> savvas: advantages?
[04:52] <savvas> I-hate-xp: probably none, but it's more acceptable, I think the other kernel images will be "fading"
[04:52] <knofi> hi, i don`t know wether im right here, but i have a problem with cups...
[04:53] <knofi> i tried the hal-backend an got this error-message:
[04:53] <knofi> Unknown "/usr/lib/cups/backend/hal failed"
[04:53] <I-hate-xp> savvas: installing the ubuntu-desktop
[04:53] <knofi> what does it mean and how can i make it work?
[04:54] <MTecknology_> there's a spelling error in the topic
[04:54] <I-hate-xp> savvas: one question, i upgrade from 7.04, how come that i don't have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[04:54] <MTecknology_> s/than/then
[04:54] <savvas> I-hate-xp:  :) that means that you removed it while installing something, someone was playing with your apt packages
[04:54] <bazhang> :}
[04:54] <bazhang> MTecknology_: nice eye!
[04:54] <I-hate-xp> savvas: someone? hacker?? so frightening
[04:55] <savvas> I-hate-xp: well it could be either you, or a package from third party repository sources
[04:55] <I-hate-xp> savvas: it seems compiz is not working
[04:55] <savvas> or a hacker, why not :p
[04:56] <savvas> I-hate-xp: did you restart?
[04:56] <MTecknology> anybody in here able to change the topic?
[04:56] <I-hate-xp> savvas: i believe in its security. i thought no hacker could break into my system.
[04:56] <I-hate-xp> savvas: not yet, installing the desktop package
[04:57] <sniperjam> hi, ive got a weird ubuntu problem
[04:57] <MTecknology> sniperjam, as do many others
[04:57] <sniperjam> laptop screen ggot replaced, now the titlebars are massive, it's like that on livecds as well
[04:58] <sniperjam> it is at native resolution
[04:58] <avatar_> you got an laptop screen with an lower native resolution back?
[04:59] <sniperjam> no, the screen is the same res
[04:59] <sniperjam> everything is the same except for the title bars of windows
[04:59] <sniperjam> im thinking it might be a slightly different model of screen?
[05:00] <MTecknology> !ops | Topic: s/than/then
[05:00] <ubotu> Topic: s/than/then: Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici
[05:00] <Pici> MTecknology: ...
[05:00] <LjL> ...
[05:00] <Amaranth> Not. Cool.
[05:00] <MTecknology> sorry, I couldn't find anyone
[05:00] <Amaranth> So ignore it, jeez
[05:00] <LjL> MTecknology: i thought you know when !ops is supposed to be used
[05:00] <Pici> MTecknology: You said you would go to -ops about it, not !ops
[05:01] <MTecknology> sorry
[05:01] <I-hate-xp> savvas: done with desktop installation, rebooting
[05:01] <Hobbsee> idiot.
[05:01] <MTecknology> sorry....
[05:01] <Amaranth> sniperjam: This is a bug between Xorg, libmetacity, and compiz
[05:02] <I-hate-xp> savvas: more guidance?
[05:02] <sniperjam> so it's a known problem?
[05:02] <Amaranth> sniperjam: specifically, when libmetacity is used by compiz to draw the window decorations it seems to ignore GNOME's DPI override
[05:02] <Hobbsee> not like it's worth pinging ~10 people about something of likely importance, when i'ts just a topic change.  sheesh.
[05:02] <Amaranth> sniperjam: Only on a small number of intel systems iirc
[05:02] <sniperjam> ok
[05:02] <Amaranth> sniperjam: And only if your xorg.conf is not setup correctly
[05:03] <sniperjam> this is both from a install where i havent changed xorg.conf and from a live cd
[05:03] <sniperjam> i'm tryingg fesity now
[05:03] <sniperjam> live cd
[05:03] <Amaranth> Yes well I didn't say the install setup xorg.conf correctly
[05:03] <Amaranth> In this case it can't, your monitor isn't giving enough info
[05:03] <sniperjam> ok
[05:03] <Amaranth> Which would explain why having the screen replaced would suddenly make this happen
[05:04] <sniperjam> ok yes i get it
[05:04] <savvas> I-hate-xp: yes, update regularly :)
[05:04] <sniperjam> any idea if it will be fixed it gutsy final?
[05:04] <savvas> I-hate-xp: if it's a kernel image wait for a day
[05:04] <I-hate-xp> savvas: odd thing is that before reboot, i choose tty8 to display the "GDM Restart". after reboot, it again becomes dark screen, no desktop again
[05:04] <Amaranth> sniperjam: It won't
[05:04] <sniperjam> ama: or could i just disable compiz?
[05:05] <Amaranth> sniperjam: Actually if you disable compiz then reenable it the problem goes away
[05:05] <sniperjam> ah ok, thanks:D
[05:05] <Amaranth> Until your next reboot/logout
[05:05] <sniperjam> but if i disable compiz will it go away for ever?
[05:05] <Amaranth> yeah
[05:05] <sniperjam> ok thanks
[05:05] <savvas> I-hate-xp: apt-cache show policy linux-restricted-modules-common
[05:06] <I-hate-xp> savvas: remember " appears to be an ...running on display :0"? it suggests using higher(ctrl+alt+f8) to display
[05:07] <savvas> I-hate-xp: try: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:07] <I-hate-xp> where should i paste the output??
[05:08] <Pici> !paste | I-hate-xp
[05:08] <ubotu> I-hate-xp: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:09] <I-hate-xp> savvas: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40162/
[05:10] <savvas> I-hate-xp: try: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:10] <I-hate-xp> savvas: yes, updating
[05:10] <savvas> I-hate-xp: any packages with linux- inside ?
[05:11] <I-hate-xp> savvas: wait.......
[05:11] <I-hate-xp> savvas: my speed is slow, net
[05:11] <savvas> sure ok
[05:11] <I-hate-xp> savvas: i also run putty over ssh
[05:12] <I-hate-xp> savvas: linux-headers-2.6.22-14
[05:12] <savvas> I-hate-xp: no problem here, as far as you do gdm restart and dpkg-reconfigure naturally :)
[05:13] <I-hate-xp> savvas: linux- [05:13] <I-hate-xp> savvas: is that what we are looking for?
[05:14] <I-hate-xp> savvas: generic. 18.6M
[05:15] <savvas> I-hate-xp: generic?
[05:15] <I-hate-xp> savvas: yes
[05:15] <savvas> weird
[05:16] <savvas> I-hate-xp: when it's done, do: sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic
[05:17] <savvas> I'll tell you how to remove the unnecessary ones later
[05:17] <I-hate-xp> savvas: ok.
[05:17] <I-hate-xp> 3 minutes more
[05:19] <I-hate-xp> thank you for help all through
[05:19] <savvas> n/p this was my problem back in edgy :)
[05:20] <I-hate-xp> u prefer generic?
[05:21] <I-hate-xp> savvas: i am using celeron 1.7G. is there an i686 for its better performance?
[05:21] <savvas> I have generic
[05:21] <Pici> !generic
[05:21] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[05:21] <Pici> Most people are using generic
[05:22] <I-hate-xp> Pici: oh, i see the point now
[05:23] <I-hate-xp> savvas: "sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic " asks me to downloading 117M!! downloading.
[05:23] <I-hate-xp> savvas: ...........
[05:24] <I-hate-xp> savvas: i got rather confused with above mentioned/downloaded/updated packages
[05:25] <I-hate-xp> savvas: looks so alike, but  different.
[05:25] <contrast83> Pici: I always wondered about what that "-generic" meant (with Ubuntu being my first distro). Thanks for the info. :-)
[05:25] <Pici> Yep, np
[05:26] <quigz> so how many bugs are left now?
[05:26] <savvas> I-hate-xp: if you want to, if you don't, we'll continue with -386 for now
[05:27] <I-hate-xp> savvas: i choose generic for now
[05:27] <I-hate-xp> i am convinced
[05:27] <savvas> ok
[05:30] <I-hate-xp> 91%
[05:31] <I-hate-xp> replacing ...
[05:31] <I-hate-xp> Running depmod.
[05:32] <I-hate-xp> update-initramfs:
[05:33] <savvas> I-hate-xp: after that is done: cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep "title"
[05:33] <I-hate-xp> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40166/
[05:34] <I-hate-xp> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40167/
[05:35] <I-hate-xp> savvas: comments?
[05:36] <MattJ> Can anyone explain why the other machines on my LAN are now called foohostname.local instead of foohostname?
[05:37] <lemsx2> MattJ: cat /etc/resolv.conf has "domain local" ?
[05:37] <lemsx2> MattJ: or perhaps your /etc/hostname ? (and check /etc/hosts)
[05:37] <prakriti> when i print, i get two printer icons and only one shows print jobs
[05:38] <MattJ> No mention of "local" in any of them
[05:38] <savvas> I-hate-xp: apt-cache policy linux-generic
[05:38] <lemsx2> MattJ: are you using avahi (I guess that's the default nowadaways)
[05:38] <savvas> I-hate-xp: what's the server you're using?
[05:38] <MattJ> Yes, it is in Gutsy by default afaik
[05:39] <MattJ> But I thought it was in Feisty too
[05:39] <I-hate-xp> savvas: what server??
[05:39] <lemsx2> MattJ: personally I like the .local stuff (MacOSX and Windows both use them)
[05:39] <I-hate-xp> 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/restricted Packages
[05:40] <MattJ> lemsx2: Ok, I didn't know
[05:40] <I-hate-xp> savvas: official european sourse
[05:40] <savvas> I-hate-xp: ok, wait a sec
[05:40] <MattJ> lemsx2: I don't mind it either, it makes sense. I just wasn't sure why the change (and it took a minute to figure out what had happened to my other PCs on the network)
[05:41] <savvas> I-hate-xp: do you know how to boot to a different kernel when you reboot?
[05:42] <I-hate-xp> press ESC when grup load
[05:42] <savvas> I-hate-xp: yep, great! you will select 2.6.22-14-generic
[05:42] <I-hate-xp> savvas: or, edit menu.list
[05:42] <I-hate-xp> savvas: reboot now??
[05:42] <savvas> I-hate-xp: yep
[05:43] <kevlar_> How do you install grub on a particular hard drive....it installed it on the HD0 , I need it on HD2
[05:43] <jewbilee> can anyone recommend a good media player for music?
[05:43] <savvas> kevlar_: at the end of the installation in the livecd there's an "advanced" button
[05:43] <kevlar_> Problem 1, problem 2, when I run the grub the screen goes blank, but when I run RECOVERY, I can "init 5" and it starts up X like nothing was wrong...
[05:44] <kevlar_> savvas, well, Im past that point, Im in...I need to change it from within...
[05:44] <kevlar_> Im running GG 64bit
[05:45] <savvas> kevlar_: maybe grub-install
[05:45] <savvas> ot sure
[05:45] <savvas> *not sure
[05:45] <kevlar_> Something is wrong between grub and login....when I run recovery and init 5 no problem. but after grub it goes blank
[05:45] <kevlar_> yes
[05:45] <kevlar_> it is grub-install
[05:45] <kevlar_> but I dont know the command
[05:46] <gnomefreak> !grub
[05:46] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:46] <savvas> Usage: grub-install [OPTION]  install_device
[05:46] <savvas> Install GRUB on your drive.
[05:46] <kevlar_> right
[05:46] <kevlar_> so how does the text look for that?
[05:46] <kevlar_> grub-install (hd2)
[05:46] <kevlar_> ?
[05:47] <savvas> Usage: grub-install [OPTION]  install_device
[05:47] <savvas> Install GRUB on your drive.
[05:47] <savvas> oops
[05:47] <savvas> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto#head-62dd4ea50c42fb3113752a272d7100469d733668
[05:48] <savvas> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-using-grub_002dinstall.html#Installing-GRUB-using-grub_002dinstall
[05:48] <kevlar_> websites?
[05:48] <I-hate-xp> savvas: sorry, rebooted, no desktop
[05:48] <I-hate-xp> savvas: just like before.
[05:49] <kevlar_> ahhh the second site has it
[05:50] <savvas> I-hate-xp: sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-386
[05:52] <I-hate-xp> savvas: purged
[05:52] <savvas> I-hate-xp: sudo update-grub
[05:53] <savvas> I-hate-xp: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx
[05:53] <I-hate-xp> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40170/
[05:54] <sparsec> So, anyone knows whether rt2500 with WPA is working in gutsy? Is it safe to upgrade now, with respect to it?
[05:54] <savvas> gnomefreak: do you know if geforce4 mx440 cards use nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy ?
[05:54] <I-hate-xp> done with grub
[05:55] <Dr_willis> savvas,  i belive those are glx-Legacy
[05:55] <databuddy> savvas lol@hostname
[05:55] <databuddy> er
[05:55] <Dr_willis> savvas,  i looked at that list just the other day for another guy. :)
[05:55] <databuddy> I-hate-xp lol@nick XD
[05:55] <savvas> heh :p
[05:55] <kevlar_> Why is he reinstalling nvidia?
[05:55] <savvas> Dr_willis: you know the list?
[05:55] <savvas> kevlar_: long story
[05:55] <I-hate-xp> savvas: done with glx
[05:55] <kevlar_> k
[05:56] <kevlar_> I updated the kernel too, will I need to do that?
[05:56] <Dr_willis> savvas,  i got to it from the !nvidia factoud.. followed a link to the actual nvdia info.. then that site had a actuial link to the Nvidia page..
[05:56] <I-hate-xp> databuddy: lol
[05:56] <savvas> !nvidia
[05:56] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:56] <Dr_willis> some of these factoids need cleaning up. :)
[05:56] <savvas> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html
[05:56] <pvandewyngaerde> !gnash
[05:56] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[05:56] <savvas> 'ere we go
[05:57] <mweichert> Whenever I upgrade libxml2 to 2.6.30.dfsg-2ubuntu1, most of my gnome apps break
[05:57] <mweichert> and I'm forced to downgrade
[05:57] <mweichert> so I thought I'd pop in here and see if anyone else was having issues?
[05:58] <savvas> GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X 0x0181
[05:58] <savvas> GeForce4 MX 440 0x0171
[05:58] <savvas> nvidia-glx :)
[05:58] <databuddy> Below are the legacy GPUs that are no longer supported in the unified driver. These GPUs will continue to be maintained through the special legacy NVIDIA GPU driver releases. >> several geforce4
[05:59] <databuddy> heh  and there's the riva tnt2 my roomate has :P
[05:59] <savvas> databuddy: "The 1.0-96xx driver supports the following set of GPUs:"
[05:59] <databuddy> savvas geforce4 not listed under the -69
[05:59] <savvas> I-hate-xp: ok, now no ssh: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:59] <databuddy> 96***
[06:00] <databuddy> arg
[06:00] <databuddy> i mean that 1.0-71xx doesnt list em
[06:00] <databuddy> the 96 does
[06:00] <databuddy> crap im just waking up
[06:00] <savvas> nvidia-glx (which corresponds to the 96xx driver)
[06:00] <savvas> ok:p
[06:00] <savvas> we solved that piece of the puzzle
[06:01] <savvas> I-hate-xp: no graphical desktop interface?
[06:02] <I-hate-xp> savvas: no. same error" appear to be an .....running"
[06:03] <Dr_willis> Wowsers - Im on Strike..
[06:03] <savvas> I-hate-xp: try this: sudo nvidia-installer --help
[06:04] <savvas> I-hate-xp: does it say command not found?
[06:04] <I-hate-xp> help available
[06:05] <savvas> gah
[06:05] <savvas> I-hate-xp: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx
[06:05] <savvas> what's the output?
[06:06] <savvas> I-hate-xp: did you install an nvidia driver from the nvidia website or use a program called envy ?
[06:06] <I-hate-xp> savvas: no env
[06:07] <savvas> is that, no, I used envy, or no, I used the driver from nvidia.com? :p
[06:07] <I-hate-xp> sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx says : remove glx
[06:07] <qzio> anyone but me that has problem with dimming the screen, suspend on laptop lid close etc?
[06:07] <I-hate-xp> i don't use envy
[06:07] <savvas> ok
[06:08] <qzio> it works .. "sometime" where sometime is at unknown kernel etc. because of the gutsy-updates all the time.
[06:08] <qzio> am i doing something wrong? or is it beta-bugs?
[06:08] <qzio> oh, im on a macbook btw
[06:08] <savvas> I-hate-xp: paste me the whole output please
[06:08] <Dr_willis> !upgrade
[06:08] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
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[07:27] (I-hate-xp/#ubuntu+1) savvas: reading? for composing essays?
[07:27] (savvas/#ubuntu+1) I-hate-xp: blog posting :)
[07:28] (I-hate-xp/#ubuntu+1) oh, i see .
[07:29] <I-hate-xp> this card got me
[07:30] <savvas> look, if everything fails, at least we know that "nv" works :P
[07:30] <savvas> a clean install of the ubuntu should do it, but I wouldn't suggest it right now, since release candidate is tomorrow
[07:31] <I-hate-xp> savvas: yes.
[07:31] <I-hate-xp> dowload done
[07:31] <savvas> I-hate-xp: do you have a separate /home partition? guess not
[07:31] <savvas> I-hate-xp: ok, sudo sh it
[07:31] <I-hate-xp> yes, i have
[07:32] <savvas> sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-71.86.01-pkg1.run
[07:32] <Konam> launchpad is off here
[07:32] <savvas> Konam: works here
[07:32] <savvas> Konam: try www.live.com :p
[07:33] <I-hate-xp> savvas: i have separate /home
[07:33] <I-hate-xp> savvas: this one seems rights, so far so good
[07:33] <savvas> I-hate-xp: great, then if this installer fails, you can try install ubuntu again and format the / (root) partition
[07:34] <I-hate-xp> savvas: no, i won't do that. don't give up
[07:34] <I-hate-xp> installation complete
[07:34] <savvas> !
[07:34] <savvas> seriously? :)
[07:34] <savvas> great
[07:34] <savvas> I-hate-xp: reboot the machine
[07:35] <I-hate-xp>  Please update your XF86Config or   xorg.conf file as appropriate;
[07:35] <I-hate-xp>  see the file   /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README for details.
[07:35] <I-hate-xp> it says that .
[07:35] <I-hate-xp>  reboot now??
[07:35] <savvas> I-hate-xp: can you edit manually as before with nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and make it point to "nv" ?
[07:36] <I-hate-xp> savvas: yes i can, but why back to nv??
[07:36] <savvas> I-hate-xp: so that it doesn't load the nvidia driver
[07:36] <I-hate-xp> we just installed, why don't we load it?
[07:37] <savvas> it's meant to be removed
[07:37] <savvas> this is the driver for the old card
[07:37] <nikolaj> anyone how have problem with Nvidia driver?
[07:37] <savvas> I want to remove all the files that are leftovers from before
[07:37] <I-hate-xp> savvas: so , to "nv " now?
[07:37] <savvas> I-hate-xp: yes, Driver "nv"
[07:37] <I-hate-xp> then reboot?
[07:37] <savvas> I-hate-xp: yep
[07:37] <nikolaj> what kind of Nvidia card
[07:38] <I-hate-xp> nikolaj: geforce4 mx 440
[07:39] <nikolaj> http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[07:39] <savvas> NO
[07:39] <savvas> no envy
[07:39] <nikolaj> Why
[07:39] <Pici> noooo
[07:39] <nikolaj> it is work
[07:39] <nikolaj> ing
[07:39] <I-hate-xp> that site is blocked from China
[07:39] <Pici> !envy | nikolaj
[07:39] <ubotu> nikolaj: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[07:40] <nikolaj> That did not work for me
[07:40] <I-hate-xp> savvas: nv works ,and i see desktop now.
[07:40] <I-hate-xp> savvas: gnome
[07:41] <savvas> I-hate-xp: ok, do this now: sudo nvidia-installer --uninstall
[07:41] <Matir> anyone know why certain regions of an opengl app would flicker under compiz?  for example, where my 3d app is over my gkrellm, it flickers white
[07:41] <I-hate-xp> savvas: so heart-breaking to see it goes again.........
[07:41] <savvas> I-hate-xp: don't worry, I think I have a backup plan
[07:42] <savvas> I-hate-xp: the nv driver has nothing to do with nvidia driver :) you'll still have the desktop
[07:42] <I-hate-xp> savvas: ok,
[07:42] <I-hate-xp> savvas: doing........
[07:43] <savvas> I-hate-xp: tell me if it gives you any warning or error
[07:43] <ba5e> hey, i'm getting a "direct rendering: No" with an ATI x1950Pro, but compiz fusion is working....how do I fix this? Im using the reps driver for ati
[07:43] <atiredmachine> Hey, since I installed Gusty GIbbon I'm having a weird screen resolution problem where sometimes when I boot up my desktop looks mostly normal, but if I move my mouse to the right or down edge of the screen my desktop moves sideways and I see it is surrounded by black on those edges.
[07:44] <I-hate-xp> savvas: no error, completed
[07:44] <ba5e> 2 questions at once! wow
[07:44] <savvas> I-hate-xp: great, restart the machine again
[07:45] <I-hate-xp> savvas: yes?
[07:45] <savvas> ba5e: from the restricted drivers manager?
[07:45] <atiredmachine> any ideas, anybody? if I go to Screen Resolution Preferences it is set at 1920x1200 (instead of 1440x900 like its supposed to), but it won't let me change it.
[07:45] <I-hate-xp> savvas: using nv?? to boot again?
[07:45] <savvas> I-hate-xp: yes
[07:45] <I-hate-xp> savvas: ok.
[07:46] <I-hate-xp> savvas: rebooting..........
[07:46] <savvas> I-hate-xp: I want to be as clean removal as possible, hence the reboot
[07:46] <I-hate-xp> savvas: flawlessly, to gnome again
[07:46] <savvas> I-hate-xp: ok now: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:46] <marfi> when i boot up, the network monitor usedto show up in running tasks. it decided to stop comming up, and now it is that many more clicks for me to connect to an access point. anyone know the name of the process?
[07:47] <ba5e> savvas: I believe so
[07:47] <marfi> it recently happened since i was running gutsy
[07:47] <savvas> ba5e: don't believe, did you check it from system > administration > restricted drivers manager? :)
[07:48] <I-hate-xp> savvas: installing glx..........
[07:48] <ba5e> wierd, I have xorg-driver-fglrx and xserver-xorg-video-ati installed.....could that be the problem savvas?
[07:48] <savvas> I-hate-xp: ok, after that: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[07:48] <savvas> ba5e: probably
[07:49] <ba5e> which one should I have?
[07:49] <savvas> ba5e: I've no idea, I'm using nvidia myself :)
[07:49] <savvas> any ATI users here? :D
[07:49] <I-hate-xp> savvas: done
[07:49] <Dr_willis> i got a few of each
[07:49] <savvas> I-hate-xp: great, reboot :)
[07:49] <I-hate-xp> savvas: reboot again??
[07:50] <savvas> I-hate-xp: yes!
[07:50] <Dr_willis> and do it right this time., :)
[07:50] <savvas> lol
[07:50] <I-hate-xp> savvas: too many reboots today, more than a normal year
[07:50] <Dr_willis> Shout "Reboooooooooooot!" when you do it.
[07:50] <savvas> I-hate-xp: no offense, but as I said, I want it as clean as possible
[07:51] <I-hate-xp> savvas: ok, understand,
[07:51] <I-hate-xp> i back u
[07:51] <I-hate-xp> second u
[07:51] <Milos_SD> Will Gutsy Gibon have 2.6.23 or 2.6.22 kernel?
[07:51] <savvas> Milos_SD: verovatno 22-15 :)
[07:52] <I-hate-xp> savvas: ok, now?
[07:52] <savvas> I-hate-xp: you're in gnome?
[07:52] <I-hate-xp> savvas: yes
[07:52] <savvas> I-hate-xp: glxinfo | grep rendering
[07:53] <I-hate-xp>  unable to open display
[07:54] <I-hate-xp> i have a notice popup right up corner in gnome
[07:55] <I-hate-xp> savvas: ??
[07:55] <Milos_SD> savvas, da li ce da ima CFS patch onda barem? Mada, mogu da stave i 2.6.23, izasao je pre dva dana, a jos uvek nije bio kernel freeze..
[07:55] <Milos_SD> :)
[07:57] <savvas> I-hate-xp: what notice?
[07:57] <I-hate-xp> savvas: something XGL changed, etc
[07:58] <savvas> I-hate-xp: no ssh: glxinfo | grep rendering
[07:59] <prakriti> on my lappy i had compiz-fusion working great in feisty w/ trevino's repositories
[07:59] <savvas> in a gnome terminal
[07:59] <prakriti> but now with gutsy I seem to have lost direct rendering
[07:59] <prakriti> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[07:59] <prakriti> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[07:59] <prakriti> what might I do to try and fix it
[07:59] <prakriti> its an i915 chipset
[07:59] <prakriti> [   15.348000]  agpgart: Detected an Intel 915GM Chipset.
[08:00] <savvas> prakriti: try from restricted drivers manager, uncheck the driver and check it again and reboot
[08:00] <prakriti> its a restricted driver?
[08:00] <I-hate-xp> savvas: could not find RGB GLX visual
[08:00] <prakriti> since when?
[08:01] <prakriti> it doesn't show up there
[08:01] <I-hate-xp> savvas: XLib: extension GLX missing on display 0:0
[08:01] <savvas> prakriti: ah sorry, you're using intel, my bad, don't know :)
[08:01] <prakriti> :)
[08:01] <prakriti> its col
[08:01] <prakriti> cool
[08:01] <savvas> I-hate-xp: go to the restricted drivers manager
[08:02] <I-hate-xp> savvas: ok
[08:02] <savvas> I-hate-xp: is the driver checked and in use ?
[08:02] <I-hate-xp> savvas: not in use
[08:02] <savvas> um..
[08:02] <savvas> I-hate-xp: check it
[08:03] <I-hate-xp> savvas: needs reboot
[08:03] <savvas> I-hate-xp: I'll have to go in 5 minutes, sorry :\
[08:03] <savvas> I-hate-xp: do it
[08:03] <I-hate-xp> savvas: ok,
[08:04] <I-hate-xp> savvas: hope settle it with the last reboot
[08:04] <savvas> me too
[08:04] <I-hate-xp> savvas: so, restricted driver != 7186??
[08:05] <savvas> I-hate-xp: no, the geforce4 mx is using 96xx driver
[08:05] <savvas> it boots in gnome? :\
[08:05] <I-hate-xp> savvas: dark screen again.
[08:06] <savvas> gah
[08:06] <savvas> I-hate-xp: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx
[08:06] <I-hate-xp> savvas: i remember long ago when playing with emerald, i add an xgl session to gnome. doesn't affect this?
[08:06] <I-hate-xp> savvas: ok
[08:07] <savvas> I-hate-xp: sudo killall -9 gdm && sudo killall -9 Xorg
[08:07] <savvas> I-hate-xp: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the driver to Driver "nv"
[08:08] <I-hate-xp> savvas: ok
[08:08] <I-hate-xp> back to nv and wait for the final version to arrive? 7.10
[08:08] <savvas> I-hate-xp: hopefully that will work
[08:09] <savvas> I-hate-xp: if you want to test the nvidia driver directly, you can try: wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/96.43.01/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run
[08:09] <I-hate-xp> done with nano
[08:10] <I-hate-xp> savvas: should i reboot or go straightly to 96.43?
[08:10] <savvas> I-hate-xp: straight if you want to try it
[08:10] <I-hate-xp> after 96.43 then?
[08:11] <savvas> I-hate-xp: sudo sh NV...
[08:11] <I-hate-xp> then ?
[08:11] <savvas> I-hate-xp: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[08:11] <savvas> I-hate-xp: then reboot
[08:11] <I-hate-xp> ok
[08:12] <I-hate-xp> 9643 supports gf4 Mx440?
[08:12] <savvas> I-hate-xp: then if it falls dark again: sudo nvidia-installer --uninstall and after that reboot, change the driver to "nv" again and reboot once more
[08:12] <savvas> yes
[08:12] <savvas> nvidia-glx = 96xx
[08:12] <I-hate-xp> savvas: ok.
[08:12] <savvas> I'm out, I hope it works
[08:13] <I-hate-xp> bye, thanks
[08:13] <savvas> I-hate-xp: use "savvas:" and tell me what happens, I'd like to know, cheers :)
[08:13] <Milos_SD> I-hate-xp, I have GF4 MX, and 96.31 driver ...
[08:13] <Milos_SD> and it is working ...
[08:13] <I-hate-xp> Milos_SD: email me your xorg.conf to gaoghy@gmail.com
[08:15] <gabbarinho> hello
[08:15] <I-hate-xp> savvas: thx, i see.
[08:15] <gabbarinho> so, is compiz fusion ready for prime time?
[08:15] <Milos_SD> I-hate-xp ... check your mail ...
[08:16] <I-hate-xp> Milos_SD: thx
[08:16] <Dr_willis> gabbarinho,  a few little issues here and there.. but over all - useable
[08:16] <gabbarinho> how's performance?
[08:16] <Dr_willis> gabbarinho,  if you can avoide the eye-candy overload. :) its actually a little  bit helpfull performance wise
[08:16] <Dr_willis> my 8800gtsxxx has no isssues with it. :)
[08:17] <bastid_raZor> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) is just one of the errors i'm getting while trying to upgrade to gutsy
[08:17] <gabbarinho> ah :)
[08:17] <Dr_willis> 6800 can do it decently well also.
[08:17] <Dr_willis> sluggish on a few nvidia laptops ive seen. Dont work at all on my x200m ati laptop
[08:17] <gabbarinho> well, I'm a relatively new ubuntu user, but I used a Mac until recently
[08:17] <bastid_raZor> apparently 14 packages had dependecy issues and are left unconfigured
[08:17] <gabbarinho> obviously I loved the expose feature
[08:18] <Dr_willis> gabbarinho,  it has that feature i seen.. but never use it.  so not sure how it compares to the apple version
[08:18] <gabbarinho> hmm... well, I've got a Geforce 7950 on my desktop, so it should be fine there
[08:18] <gabbarinho> my laptop's video might not cut it
[08:18] <Dr_willis> i  recall toying with it on apple once or twice. and did3ent see what was so great about the expose.  then again. I keep everything fullscreen and just alt-tab about
[08:18] <Dr_willis> Or with compiz - use Super-Tab :) looks purtier
[08:18] <gabbarinho> well, I used the F9 feature exclusively
[08:19] <gabbarinho> you know, the key that makes all the windows fit in one screen :)
[08:19] <gabbarinho> it helped immensely with multitasking :)
[08:19] <gabbarinho> but I guess compiz has that
[08:20] <Dr_willis> i dident see how it really helped. :) but i dont sit there watching 10+ 1/2 sized windows..
[08:20] <gabbarinho> I spent 30 minutes watching all the youtube videos and I'm not sure which are the standard features and which are the plugins
[08:20] <prakriti> hrm
[08:20] <prakriti> it seems glxgears crashes X :(
[08:20] <Dr_willis> EVERYTHING is a plugin. :)
[08:20] <gabbarinho> well, I tend to have about 10 firefox windows open at any time
[08:20] <prakriti> the X logs say that direct rendering is enabled
[08:20] <Dr_willis> one thing about compiz - its tweakable.
[08:21] <gabbarinho> ah :)
[08:21] <prakriti> but glxinfo says it isn't
[08:21] <bazhang> gabbarinho: that's the scale effect, and it is much faster, at least with your desktop card--I have nearly the same one
[08:21] <gabbarinho> then I guess some plugins are more mature and stable than others?
[08:21] <prakriti> and glxgears crash's x
[08:21] <gabbarinho> that's great
[08:21] <gabbarinho> I would've been happy to have just the features similar to expose, but it seems compiz can do so much more
[08:21] <riotkittie> expose <3
[08:22] <kRush> what's the use to expose exaclty? besides looking cool
[08:22] <gabbarinho> well, on a mac it's extremely useful
[08:23] <gabbarinho> because you don't have a taskbar as in windows
[08:23] <gabbarinho> so if you've got many instances of the same application running, it's not convenient to choose between them without expose
[08:23] <finalbeta> if you use expose, you should use it to replace the taskbar. that's it is mighty fine
[08:24] <ryancr_> I just did an update and the new 14 kernel came in, now I cant' boot into it. I get udev-event: '/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit   any ideas?
[08:24] <riotkittie> ryancr_: were the 14 kernel modules downloaded?
[08:24] <Dr_willis> whats going to be scary - a year or so from now - after everyone has made up a dozen + plugins.. theres going to be so much eye candy for compiz
[08:24] <riotkittie> !stages
[08:24] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[08:25] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, hey
[08:25] <riotkittie> oh wait. thats not it is it.
[08:25] <riotkittie> if its useful eye candy, i'm all for it.
[08:25] <reverseblade> when I am using nvidia driver I am getting some temporary freezes
[08:25] <Dr_willis> folding airplane minimizing windows = a must have.
[08:25] <riotkittie> or at least amusing useless eyecandy. <thinks back to desktop sheep on win95>
[08:25] <gabbarinho> yeah, although I'm sure some will be more pretty than functional :)
[08:26] <Dr_willis> The 'show window previews on the taskbar buttons' is handy feature for me. and wife likes the 'zoom
[08:26] <bastid_raZor> sheep heh
[08:26] <Dr_willis>  feature.
[08:26] <kRush> so expose on mac is what plugin in compiz?
[08:26] <ryancr_> riotkittie: good question, let me check
[08:26] <Dr_willis> theres a plugin called compiz
[08:26] <Dr_willis> err expose :)
[08:26] <bazhang> kRush: scale in compiz-fusion
[08:26] <gabbarinho> i guess i'll find out which ones are useful for me through trial and error
[08:26] <Dr_willis> oh wait its 'expo'
[08:26] <kling0n> hmm anyone know why I can't load either kvm-intel or kvm-amd on an athlon xp 2200 ?
[08:26] <gabbarinho> do you use the rotating cube?
[08:27] <riotkittie> expo <3
[08:27] <bazhang> not expo, it's scale ;}
[08:27] <gabbarinho> on first glance i have to say it didn't seem like something that would be extraordinarily useful
[08:27] <riotkittie> scale is nice, too.
[08:27] <Dr_willis> expo shrinks all the desktops so they all show up on one screen.. interesting.. but not too handy. unless ya like it i guess.
[08:28] <riotkittie> i think the cube's only purpose is to fill my husband with envy as he slinks back to his xp box
[08:28] <Dr_willis> exp with my 2 wide screen monitors
[08:28] <ryancr_> riotkittie: yes it shows both the restricted-modules and the ubuntu-modules are installed for 2.6.22.-14
[08:28] <gabbarinho> well, that's the thing - it's useful when you have limited screen real estate
[08:28] <gabbarinho> it was a life saver on my 1024x768 powerbook
[08:28] <Dr_willis> which 'scale' are we refering to?
[08:28] <gabbarinho> essentially made the small screen "bigger"
[08:29] <gabbarinho> speaking of xp, i was surprised just how useless aero was
[08:29] <bazhang> scale shows all the open windows; you can then choose them from the backdrop.
[08:29] <Dr_willis> Shift-Alt-up resizes all windows and spreads them out on the desktop it seems.. but i release the keys and it pops back :)
[08:30] <riotkittie> i like scale. it's better than switching to each desktop to find out if something needs attention.
[08:30] <Dr_willis> By the times its drawn them all - i could of alt-tab'ed to  what i want. heh
[08:30] <bazhang> you can configure that to do it with a corner of the screen as well.
[08:30] <gabbarinho> well, that _sounds_ like expose
[08:30] <riotkittie> err expo.
[08:30] <Dr_willis> riotkittie,  yea. i just use the one desktop with 2 wide screen monitors. I dont need a lot of them
[08:30] <bazhang> exactly like Mac expose
[08:30] <riotkittie> ah. i have four.
[08:30] <gabbarinho> yikes
[08:30] <gabbarinho> four!
[08:30] <bascule> what does mac expose do?
[08:31] <gabbarinho> it displays all the windows in one screen
[08:31] <Dr_willis> i actually have 4 desktops set.. but only got stuff on #1
[08:31] <gabbarinho> another key brings up all the instances of a single program
[08:31] <Dr_willis> when ya get multi monitors going. you can really alter your work habbits
[08:31] <gabbarinho> i am sure
[08:31] <gabbarinho> how big are your monitors?
[08:31] <riotkittie> i hope i can get multimonitors going at some point. :|
[08:32] <Dr_willis> one 22 in, one 19in. :)
[08:32] <gabbarinho> wow
[08:32] <bascule> are laptop multi monitors easy to do, in-built and external?
[08:32] <^Ocean^> Okay, Im having a problem, I Can't log into Gnome, Or KDE Unless I loginto the Failsafe option.  Problem started after upgrade from Feisty, too Gutsy
[08:32] <gabbarinho> I was thinking about upgrading to a single 22"
[08:32] <gabbarinho> yes, it is
[08:32] <Dr_willis> i had single 22, then bought a new pc. that came with the 19. so i pluged it in also.
[08:32] <kRush> btw is Snapping Windows plugin avoid snap modifier working for you guys?
[08:32] <Dr_willis> its my 'conky' screen :)
[08:33] <Dr_willis> and a few other apps on it.
[08:33] <riotkittie> i have a 17 and a 15. <weep>
[08:33] <^Ocean^> I love dual Display
[08:33] <Dr_willis> id like dual display IF some programs where not so STUPID about them
[08:33] <gabbarinho> yeah, I can certainly see how a second monitor would be very useful
[08:33] <Dr_willis> one or few apps can really annoy ya with their braindeadness. :)
[08:33] <^Ocean^> I had a 19" LCD  Stop working on me, so i bought a 22" Wide lcd, then pluggin in my 19 for shits and gigles it decided to work again, now I run them both
[08:33] <kling0n> Dr_willis: I just ordered my new 22" monitor :)
[08:33] <gabbarinho> examples, doc?
[08:34] <riotkittie> i tried getting my second monitor going under feisty... it did not go well  :|
[08:34] <Dr_willis> gabbarinho,  last i noticed if ya take vmware and 'fullscreen' it - it decides to fullscreen across BOTH monitors
[08:34] <Dr_willis> putting the virtual machien right on the border.,
[08:34] <^Ocean^> riotkittie, What video card ?
[08:34] <gabbarinho> ah
[08:34] <riotkittie> ati x300se :|
[08:34] <Dr_willis> Songbird likes to pop up right in the middle also
[08:34] <gabbarinho> btw, do you get an nvidia control panel with the ubuntu drivers like in windows?
[08:34] <Dr_willis> even with just kde/gnome/ubuntu - some times a dialog pops up on the 2nd monitor when it should be on the 1st
[08:34] <^Ocean^> oh, no idea about ATI cards lol
[08:35] <Dr_willis> gabbarinho,  the nvidia tools have a similer tool. not as detailed.
[08:35] <^Ocean^> gabbarinho, You get somthing called nvidia-settings Does everything you need it too
[08:35] <Konam> Am I the only one who get this 'white slashes' on the window borders with compiz enabled nVidia card: http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3956/pantallazoml6.png
[08:35] <Konam> someone knows a workaround?
[08:35] <gabbarinho> that's good to know
[08:36] <atlef> Konam:  yes i did
[08:36] <^Ocean^> Konam, You try a dif theme ?
[08:36] <Konam> atlef do you know a workaround? do you have an nvidia card?
[08:36] <atlef> but haven'nt noticed it lately
[08:36] <Konam> ^Ocean^ no I didn't
[08:36] <^Ocean^> Konam, They another theme,  make sure its not a Theme issue vs a compiz issue ?
[08:37] <Konam> ^Ocean^ ok, I'll try another one
[08:38] <^Ocean^> that would the first thing i would try ahaha
[08:38] <Konam> ^Ocean^ I'm trying compiz now, I didn't thought about that
[08:42] <prakriti> arrrggg
[08:42] <prakriti> Xgl fails me :(
[08:42] <prakriti> If I load failsafe X then my direct rendering works.
[08:43] <Konam> ^Ocean^ still happening :(
[08:43] <^Ocean^> HMM
[08:43] <^Ocean^> try playing with verious settings.. see if u can possibly narrow down the issue ?
[08:45] <MTecknology> ubuntu isn't picking up my scanner :(
[08:46] <TheInfinity> anyone here who knows why the madwifi recommendations in forum dont work?
[08:47] <riotkittie> what madwifi recommendations would they be?
[08:47] <MTecknology> so... is there any slim chance anybody in here has a microtek scanmaker working with ubuntu?
[08:47] <TheInfinity> riotkittie: if my chipset is not supported i should look after ath in dmesg
[08:48] <TheInfinity> http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/15964/ <-- but ...
[08:51] <riotkittie> TheInfinity: and the card's not showing in ifconfig ?
[08:51] <TheInfinity> riotkittie:
[08:51] <TheInfinity> no
[08:51] <TheInfinity> only in lspci
[08:52] <riotkittie> does modprobing ath_pci do anything?
[08:53] <TheInfinity> no errormessage and now i have ...
[08:53] <TheInfinity> [  488.111319]  ath_hal: 0.9.18.0 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413)
[08:53] <TheInfinity> [  488.227269]  ath_pci: 0.9.4.5 (0.9.3.2)
[08:54] <TheInfinity> in dmesg
[08:54] <TheInfinity> a wiki entry said that i have to use svn sources of madwifi to get it running - any chance to get it in gutsy (without recompiling the kernel with every update)?
[08:55] <Konam> hey, when gnome is loading it first start metacity and after that compiz, is kind of annoying, how can i set compiz to start first
[08:55] <Konam> ???
[08:55] <Dr_willis> how are you seeing this Konam ? ive never noticed it.
[08:56] <Konam> Dr_willis It happens
[08:57] <scoobydoo28139> I would like to report that ubuntu seems to be ok on my system.Its a shuttle xpc ,amd 2.1ghz duel core, video card is 8500gt nvidia,2 gig ram in duel channel mode,865mhz
[08:58] <scoobydoo28139> Is there anything else i can do to help?
[08:58] <fluffles> Hi. I loved the Beryl Manager in 7.04, with 7.10 there is compiz (compiz-fusion i guess?) but it only sports a compiz utility with only basic options.. beryl was so extensive... is all that gone now with the new fusion of the two projects?
[08:59] <riotkittie> fluffles: install compizconfig-settings-manager
[08:59] <fluffles> i think thats what i have now
[08:59] <gabbarinho> hmm
[08:59] <gabbarinho> you don't have all the features shown here?
[08:59] <gabbarinho> http://lunapark6.com/compiz-fusion-052-preview.html
[09:00] <riotkittie> oh god. in that case, i am glad to have not laid eyes on beryl's :o
[09:00] <fluffles> but with the beryl thingy i could adjust the seconds an 'effect' takes.. with the compiz utility i can only select them like with checkboxes.. on or off..
[09:00] <fluffles> eye candy is fun!
[09:00] <fluffles> if you go for OpenGL accelerated desktop effects then you should install the whole package :)
[09:01] <fluffles> albeit a bit bloaty
[09:01] <SuperLag> Any of you guys having trouble with nvidia-glx-new on Gutsy, and still having X default to vesa drivers?
[09:01] <gabbarinho> did you use them all?
[09:01] <scoobydoo28139> superlag: mine is ok
[09:01] <SuperLag> scoobydoo28139: it's not working here
[09:02] <SuperLag> no matter what I try
[09:02] <fluffles> gabbarinho: well not all, but its nice to tune effects to one's liking :)
[09:02] <gabbarinho> i am sure it is
[09:02] <riotkittie> fluffles: i get extended options when i click on things in ccsm. i'm not sure how it compares to beryl's manager but for most things, way more than off and on
[09:02] <scoobydoo28139> superlag:I upgraded from 7.02 and went smoothly.Even played nexuiz i munute ago:)
[09:03] <gabbarinho> I am sure you get spoiled once you have complete control
[09:03] <fluffles> riotkittie: hm okay i'll have another look.. but i guess i can't use the beryl thingy on compiz-fusion huh? :(
[09:03] <riotkittie> fluffles: are you controlling compiz from "Appearance"?
[09:03] <gabbarinho> the main reason i tried ubuntu in the first place to get something like expose on my PC
[09:04] <gabbarinho> i really would've been happy to get just the minimal features
[09:04] <fluffles> what is "expose" ?
[09:04] <scoobydoo28139> Does any one need any info for the beta? Cuz if not I got to get out of here in a minute.
[09:04] <gabbarinho> it's the mac compiz, but very limited :)
[09:04] <Dr_willis> expose is just one feature. :)
[09:04] <markelhas> hi ppl i've a problem with my desktop, when i click on the right button of my mouse nothing happens and my icons also gone. any tips?
[09:04] <Dr_willis> from what i am researching..
[09:04] <fluffles> gabbarinho: hm i guess ubuntu is not the most 'spartan' of linux dists, there are others with are minimalistic and non-bloaty
[09:04] <riotkittie> expose, i believe, shows smaller versions of all your windows on the desktop
[09:04] <Dr_willis> trick is to not 'hold yourself back' to what youve used in the past.
[09:04] <gabbarinho> oh, i don't mind the bloat
[09:05] <gabbarinho> coming from windows, ubuntu seemed remarkably compact
[09:05] <gabbarinho> yes! agreed
[09:05] <fluffles> yeah ok
[09:05] <gabbarinho> what i meant is that i wasn't even aware of all the other things you could do in compiz
[09:05] <riotkittie> there's a minimal ubuntu install :P
[09:05] <Dr_willis> compiz is a bit impressive once ya dig into it. :)
[09:05] <Dr_willis> i wish there was a plugin for it that would show all the 'keybindings'
[09:06] <gabbarinho> i've watched the youtube videos over and over
[09:06] <Dr_willis> some of these are getting a bit.. obtouse.
[09:06] <riotkittie> now that i have compiz, i dont know how i lived without it. hee
[09:06] <scoobydoo28139> ok i'm outa here good day all:)
[09:06] <gabbarinho> not surprising
[09:06] <Dr_willis> alt-ctrl-super-E for this or that... :)
[09:06] <markelhas> hi ppl i've a problem with my desktop, when i click on the right button of my mouse nothing happens and my icons also gone. how can i solve this?
[09:06] <gabbarinho> yikes
[09:06] <riotkittie> Dr_willis: yea, its starting to drive me crazy. i guess i'm going to have to write down a list and tape it to my
[09:06] <riotkittie> other monitor, heh.
[09:06] <Dr_willis> riotkittie,  yep.
[09:06] <gabbarinho> mac expose is pretty simple - F9, F10, F11
[09:06] <gabbarinho> those are all your functions
[09:06] <Dr_willis> those keys are allready used by OTHER things gabbarinho  :)
[09:07] <gabbarinho> what things? :)
[09:07] <Dr_willis> i never did see why app swiotching is so critical it needs its own F keys
[09:07] <Dr_willis> F10  = Quit in MC, and somthing els eunder gnome.
[09:07] <Dr_willis> i alwaos got to change that.
[09:07] <gabbarinho> well, i used them CONSTANTLY in mac os
[09:07] <markelhas> his there something like partition magic for ubuntu?
[09:07] <Dr_willis> Apple likes to do things their own way..  im spurised they havent taken over all the F keys.
[09:08] <gabbarinho> but as i said, with macs you really need expose for app switching
[09:08] <gabbarinho> doesn't ubuntu come with one built in?
[09:08] <gabbarinho> yeah... and windows doesn't really use any of em
[09:08] <Dr_willis> GPARTED is a partition tool.
[09:08] <Dr_willis> very handy
[09:08] <bascule> is it caise mac has 1 mouse button it needs all those keys? ;P
[09:08] <Dr_willis> Most windows users dont realize F1 = help :)
[09:08] <gabbarinho> i've got to sit down and memorize all the keyboard shortcuts
[09:08] <gabbarinho> right :)
[09:09] <Dr_willis> Apple keyboards have that fancy eject the cd key! :)
[09:09] <Dr_willis> at least my iMAc keyboard does
[09:09] <gabbarinho> oh yeah
[09:09] <markelhas> hi ppl i've a problem with my desktop, when i click on the right button of my mouse nothing happens and my icons also gone. any tips?
[09:09] <Dr_willis> 'drag the cd to the trashcan to eject it'
[09:09] <gabbarinho> the CD drives don't have a physical eject button though :)
[09:09] <gabbarinho> hehe
[09:09] <Dr_willis> we dont want to get me started ranting about apple.
[09:09] <TheInfinity> !hda
[09:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:09] <Dr_willis> just dont get me started. :)
[09:09] <TheInfinity> !intel-hda
[09:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel-hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:10] <gabbarinho> i was never that partial to mac os
[09:10] <gabbarinho> just the expose
[09:10] <TheInfinity> !intel_hda
[09:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel_hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:10] <TheInfinity> !snd-intel-hda
[09:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snd-intel-hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:10] <TheInfinity> hmpf
[09:10] <gabbarinho> to me it really made all the difference in the world
[09:10] <Dr_willis> gabbarinho,  ane expose is just there to overcome a limitation of the os...
[09:10] <MrPink> hey everyone: If I were to install the Gutsy beta now as a fresh install... will it be the same version as downloadable in 8 days if I run the updates?
[09:10] <TheInfinity> anyone who knows the link how to get intel hda to run if its mute?
[09:10] <gabbarinho> yes, to an extent
[09:10] <Dr_willis> MrPink,  should be.
[09:10] <gabbarinho> but i did find that i was generally much more productive on my powerbook than on my windows pc
[09:11] <gabbarinho> even though it was a much slower computer
[09:11] <gesker> Any work around for 'No candidate version found for sun-java6-plugin'
[09:11] <gabbarinho> i really don't get the rabid mac fanbase though
[09:11] <gabbarinho> there are a million annoying things about os x
[09:11] <gesker> All other sun-java6 packages installed ok
[09:12] <TheInfinity> geser: its not online atm ;)
[09:12] <gesker> Would it be save to add a fiesty entry to my sources list?
[09:12] <geser> TheInfinity: what's not online?
[09:12] <TheInfinity> java6 plugin
[09:13] <MrPink> would you guys think that it is better to wait to intsall Gutsy until the final release  or fine to install it now if I run the updates it shows me ?
[09:13] <gabbarinho> don't wait to wait a week? :)
[09:14] <TheInfinity> MrPink: wait if you dont like console ;)
[09:15] <MrPink> well I am not affraid of it...  I am just not very experienced
[09:15] <TheInfinity> then wait ;)
[09:15] <MrPink> but I want to learn :-D
[09:15] <TheInfinity> then set up a test system
[09:15] <TheInfinity> and do not update your main system
[09:16] <MrPink> but maybe it would be best to wait... :-D   Or do a step by step reinstall and install a windows version and stick to that until I install a ubuntu...
[09:16] <MrPink> as I want to reinstall windows anyways... then I dont have to install two entire systems on one day
[09:18] <gabbarinho> you could always do the vmware thing, i suppose
[09:19] <MrPink> I intsalled linux for the first time 3 weeks ago or so... and have basically been using it 97% of the time... so I basically only use linux... but you never know when you might need a windwos...
[09:19] <frostburn> MrPink, just run it in a vm
[09:19] <MrPink> gabbarinho yeah but that seems like a lot of work for not waiting 8 days ;)
[09:20] <MrPink> cuz I dont have a vm set up
[09:20] <TheInfinity> its much much learning ;)
[09:20] <gabbarinho> i understand
[09:20] <gabbarinho> i don't know how to use it either
[09:20] <MrPink> I think I'll just wait... unless I get bored this weekend then I might install it just to see ;)
[09:21] <MrPink> anyhow thanks for the advice so far ;)
[09:21] <murlidhar>  MrPink: u can always reinstall anything without any problems if you don't change the installation partitions
[09:22] <MrPink> what do you mean by that?
[09:23] <DanaG> bug 121833
[09:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[09:23] <murlidhar> i mean don;t change the existing partitions of your hard disk
[09:24] <murlidhar> MrPink: just don't resize the partitions
[09:25] <MrPink> aha
[09:28] <Dr_willis> i always keep /home on its onwn hard drive. :)
[09:30] <gesker> Any eta on sun-java5-plugin?
[09:31] <Alarien-Work> Are there any Gutsy Beta users that can assist with /dev/dsp busy?
[09:32] <Alarien-Work> I've checked for ESD, and other possible users as well as permissions
[09:32] <Alarien-Work> ALSA apps are working fine, only OSS support through /dev/dsp not working.
[09:35] <j00bar> howdy -- i have the most recent gutsy installed on a t23 and my kern.log is going crazy saying "wifi0: hfa384x_get_rid: CMDCODE_ACCESS failed (res=-1, rid=fd51, len=6)" and "wifi0: haf384x_cmd: cmd_queue full" -- i don't even have a wireless card in my laptop -- any ideas what's going wrong?
[09:36] <j00bar> that second one is clearly hfa384x, not haf384x -- silly typos...
[09:37] <{Zeus}> gutsy includes compiz fusion by default, correct?
[09:39] <MrPink> yes
[09:39] <MrPink> as far as I know it does
[09:41] <Alarien-Work> It may be turned off if the requirements are not detected.
[09:42] <Alarien-Work> any sure fire ways to find out what is causing /dev/dsp to be busy?
[09:43] <twilight> Alarien-Work: mmh, maybe fuser
[09:43] <Alarien-Work> tried that without any return.
[09:43] <Alarien-Work> That seems to be the meathod listed on the forms, combined with ps -ax
[09:44] <enyc> hrrm... ?is anybody here having funny problems with ogg123 or other programs complaining about mcop dir?
[09:44] <enyc> $ ogg123
[09:44] <enyc> Creating link /home/enyc/.kde/socket-ninja.
[09:44] <enyc> can't create mcop directory
[09:44] <Alarien-Work> what about the new sound system replacing esd?
[09:44] <enyc> Alarien-Work: hrrm maybe thats the problem... what has changed? please explain ;-)
[09:45] <Alarien-Work> pulseaudio is supposed to be a drop in replacement for esd
[09:46] <Alarien-Work> people that don't have startup sounds probably don't have it installed. I believe esd will be out and pulseaudio will be in at release.
[09:46] <enyc> Alarien-Work: hrrm ... so I wonder why kde is being mentioned... I am not using kde...
[09:46] <andre> Hi guys
[09:46] <enyc> andre: meepmoop
[09:46] <andre> enyc:  Meep Meep  Moooooooooop
[09:47] <andre> Who do I talk to about updating a software for Gutsy?
[09:47] <Alarien-Work> yes, pulseaudio is doing it
[09:47] <Alarien-Work> :)
[09:47] <Dr_willis> !bug
[09:47] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[09:48] <Alarien-Work>  /usr/bin/pulseaudio --log-target=syslog -Lmodule-esound-compat-spawnfd fd=18
[09:48] <spr0k3t> Alarien-Work: the drop in package is just pulseaudio?  no dependancies?
[09:48] <enyc> andre: hrrm my libao.conf specifies alsa09 default ....
[09:48] <Alarien-Work> This provides start-up sounds etc, but also hogs /dev/dsp
[09:49] <mnemo> where can I find documentation for the GRUB config file (i mean the one called menu.lst) ??? i tried google already and "man grub" just explains the command parameters, not the config file format
[09:50] <Alarien-Work> yes you can install esound or you can install  pulseaudio-esound-compat which requires pulseaudio  and you will have your startup sounds back.
[09:50] <MrPink> mnemo what do you want to know about it?
[09:50] <mnemo> i wonder about the partition specfications
[09:50] <MrPink> mnemo or just general info ?
[09:50] <mnemo> i want to boot windows from /dev/sda1
[09:51] <mnemo> but grub seems to use some weird (hd0,0) format or something
[09:51] <enyc> mnemo: this is right.. i will tell you why...
[09:51] <enyc> mnemo: Linux+udev creates the devices like /dev/sd? /dev/hd?  at runtime of the linux kernel
[09:52] <mnemo> hmm, ok?
[09:52] <enyc> mnemo: whereas Grub 0.9 is using the BIOS INT 13 calls and doesn't have the linux drivers running.... linux isn't running then!
[09:52] <mnemo> so how can I tell which hdx,y maps to /dev/sda1 ???
[09:52] <enyc> mnemo: so (hd0) is the first BIOS-supported-harddisk (which could be PATA SATA SCSI USB RAID  whatever...)
[09:53] <enyc> mnemo: (hd0,0) normally refers to '1' partition on the "first" hard disk
[09:53] <mnemo> so the grub notation is 0-based and the /dev notation is 1-based ??
[09:53] <enyc> mnemo: well grub numbers from 0  ... linux numbers on a different sceme
[09:54] <enyc> mnemo: actually linux uses the 'position' in the partition-table-header which has space for exactly 4 entries as 1,2,3,4 and then uses 5-onwards for extra partitions
[09:55] <mnemo> so, what should I put into the grub file?
[09:55] <enyc> mnemo: im sure at runtime you can tell which partition is what... grub has a way to guess/detect this...
[09:55] <enyc> mnemo: right.. you have ubuntu booting okay and you want an option to chainload an inaccessible win32 ??
[09:56] <mnemo> yea chainload works but it boots my recovery partition instead of the real one
[09:56] <mnemo> at least I think that's the problem
[09:57] <enyc> mnemo: show me 'fdisk -l' output.....
[09:57] <Alarien-Work> Rebooted, and it worked out /dev/dsp is not being used after removing package pulseaudio-esound-compat
[09:57] <enyc> mnemo: or 'sudo fdisk -l'
[09:58] <Alarien-Work> The big question is, why do we have to choose between system sounds and the ability to use /dev/dsp for anything else. Why do the system sounds monopolize this even when not producing sound.
[09:58] <mnemo> http://rafb.net/p/AR5kez27.html
[09:58] <Alarien-Work> I know about oss only allowing one channel, but why can
[09:58] <Alarien-Work> 't the system sounds use ALSA instead?
[10:00] <bXi> okay i'm quite stumped here
[10:00] <enyc> coo... there is a  "libao-pulse" package...
[10:00] <bXi> can someone walk me trough installing the new ati fglrx driver?
[10:01] <mnemo> enyc: can you tell anything from the fdisk -l ??
[10:01] <enyc> mnemo: well can see what types of partitions there are... i havent see in
[10:01] <enyc> mnemo: you need to be registered with nickserv to /msg me
[10:01] <enyc> mnemo: aaah... url... sorry...
[10:02] <problemdog> Hi all! - with my latest upgrade i got some huge "virtual resolution" switched on..  It's very annoying (to me) - how can I switch it off?
[10:02] <problemdog> like 2048x1536 instead of the usual 1280x1024 - and compiz fails to start
[10:04] <atlef> ooohhh, new kernel headers. So we are on huron allready :  * [PATCH] : Gutsy OHCI hang workaround for Huron
[10:05] <atlef> and changed generic to x86_64
[10:07] <atlef> read wrong: *and changed generic to x86_64* sorry
[10:11] <sparsec> Gutsy looking good :)
[10:11] <sparsec> Shame rt2500 isn't working though - it did back in Feisty
[10:12] <sparsec> Had to resort to using ndiswrapper
[10:20] <fliegenderfrosch> Is it already clear when (how many hours left) we can expect the RC to be released?
[10:22] <Reaby> it the kde4 which is in backports repo beta2, it currently only says some ubuntu version number? anybody tested / know ?
[10:23] <Reaby> it = is
[10:24] <Reaby> well, anyway i think i give a try on it
[10:24] <nosrednaekim> Reaby: its not really ready...
[10:24] <nosrednaekim> Reaby: wait a week for beta3
[10:25] <Reaby> so it doesn't even start ?
[10:25] <nosrednaekim> Reaby: it starts... but there is no panel, no menu...
[10:26] <gnomefreak> savvas: all gforce4 cards use -glx
[10:26] <kling0n> question waon tries to install a man package in the same location as pv package... which one should I bugreport agains ?
[10:26] <Reaby> nosrednaekim: ok, got the point. i assume beta 3 comes with those.
[10:26] <nosrednaekim> Reaby: all that should be fixed in the next beta.
[10:26] <kling0n> against even
[10:26] <nosrednaekim> Reaby: I believe it will
[10:26] <Reaby> nosrednaekim: ok, thanks for info.
[10:26] <Reaby> nosrednaekim: better to wait then.
[10:27] <nosrednaekim> Reaby: yeah, no use getting discouraged with it now. I do like running the apps from within KDE3 though.
[10:27] <nosrednaekim> Dolphin is really nice.
[10:27] <nosrednaekim> (the kde4 version)
[10:29] <kevinO> did the location of the c header files change with this mornings updates?
[10:29] <benzon> is there a way to install Compiz Fusion Plugins Unsupported ?
[10:29] <stoffer> when restarting gutsy my nvidia driver does not work any more, any hints ?
[10:30] <Reaby> stoffer: did you install it by hand
[10:30] <kevinO> stoffer, are you using the restricted drivers
[10:31] <kevinO> oh sorry Reaby
[10:31] <stoffer> I have tried several things, but only got it working correctly using the restricted driver,
[10:31] <runemaste644> VBox Guest Additions screwed up guty
[10:31] <runemaste644> *gutsy
[10:31] <stoffer> but after a restart it seems to be overridden and I get the failure setup
[10:32] <benzon> is there a way to install Compiz Fusion Plugins Unsupported ?
[10:32] <runemaste644> After i restarted, it wouldnt load right
[10:32] <Reaby> stoffer: if you installed with nvidia installer, it conflicts sometimes with nvidia-glx package, what i have seen
[10:33] <stoffer> reaby, thanks for helping, so should I try to uninstall th nvidia-glx-new package ?
[10:33] <runemaste644> Im doing a memory test
[10:33] <kevinO> stoffer, the restricted driver is better than using the actual nvidia driver, because if there is a kernel upgrade, the restricted driver will be upgraded, and you wont have to worry about x failing everytime there is a new kernel
[10:34] <Reaby> stoffer: check /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions --> is there symbolic link libglx.so --> lubglx.so.1000.13.19
[10:34] <Reaby> libglx.so --> libglx.so.100.14.19
[10:34] <runemaste644> Is there a way to recover my system from the CD?
[10:34] <Reaby> if not then x doesn't star
[10:35] <Reaby> stoffer: if libglx.so is regular file, just delete it and make symbolic link
[10:35] <Reaby> stoffer: all should be ok
[10:35] <Reaby> stoffer: or delete it and run nvidia installer
[10:35] <runemaste644> How can i fix my system?
[10:35] <Reaby> stoffer: or install nvidia-glx again
[10:36] <stoffer> Reaby: I have libglx.so -> libglx.so.100.14.19
[10:36] <Reaby> stoffer: hmm.. i'd run nvidia installer again.
[10:36] <runemaste644> Is there anyone who can help me?
[10:36] <Reaby> stoffer: should fix the issue
[10:37] <kevinO> runemaste644: are you talking about virtualbox?
[10:37] <runemaste644> Someone wants ubotu's nick!
[10:37] <runemaste644> yes
[10:37] <Alarien-Work> did you try nvidia-glx-new?
[10:37] <kevinO> ubuntu will not load right or vbox wont?
[10:37] <stoffer> reaby: have tried that one time before, but will try again. Should I uninstall the nvidia-glx-new package
[10:37] <runemaste644> When i installed guest additions, Ubuntu wouldnt load
[10:37] <Alarien-Work> if you have a newer card that should work.
[10:38] <nosrednaekim> runemaste644: you are only supposed to install them if you are running INSIDE VB
[10:38] <kevinO> me says sometimes the restricted drivers wont work until the ubuntu gods put out and update to fix them
[10:38] <runemaste644> what do you mean?
[10:38] <runemaste644> i installed them in the guest machine
[10:39] <runemaste644> not on my real machine DUH
[10:39] <runemaste644> Why would i do something so stupid?
[10:40] <Reaby> stoffer: yes, i personally also run to problems with those 2 seperate installs fighting.
[10:40] <valehru_> Hey guys, anyone know if the apache2 in the gutsy repos have mod_proxy_balancer enabled?
[10:40] <runemaste644>  !test
[10:40] <stoffer> Reaby: thanks, I try that
[10:40] <Reaby> stoffer: should work.
[10:40] <nosrednaekim> runemaste644: dunno. if its a Virtual machine... why is it a big deal?
[10:40] <nosrednaekim> just go back to an older snapshot
[10:40] <runemaste644> I want it
[10:41] <runemaste644> i didnt get a snapshot
[10:41] <kevinO> runemaste644:  i dont know much about virtualbox either, i use vmware-server
[10:41] <runemaste644> Eww.
[10:41] <runemaste644> Shareware.
[10:41] <ubotu> Failed.
[10:41] <kevinO> well it works and its free
[10:41] <runemaste644> ok so that is the real ubotu
[10:42] <riotkittie> of course it is.
[10:42] <runemaste644> I thought vmware is shareware
[10:42] <kevinO> vmware-server is free
[10:42] <kevinO> of charge
[10:42] <runemaste644> someone tried to recover ubotus nick
[10:42] <kevinO> not freeware
[10:42] <Reaby> vmware-player is free afaik
[10:42] <nosrednaekim> runemaste644: ha ha... VB is shareware too !
[10:43] <runemaste644> will it let me switch between OSs quickly?
[10:43] <LjL> kevinO: "freeware" *means* "free of charge"
[10:43] <kevinO> when you download vmware-server you have to register for a free serial
[10:43] <Dr_willis> get a dozen of the serial #'s :)
[10:43] <kevinO> runemaste644: yess you can quick switch
[10:43] <riotkittie> runemaste644: nah. nick collisions are different.
[10:43] <runemaste644> so i could move seamlessly between XP and Ubuntu?
[10:44] <kevinO> LjL thanks im now 100% dumner after having read what you said :)
[10:44] <xnix> I just installed Gutsy beta and depmod is crashing with "bus error (core dumped)"  does anyone know what is causing this or possibly a solution?
[10:44] <kevinO> look i cant even spell dumner
[10:45] <kevinO> who needs linux on jupiter
[10:45] <kevinO> jej
[10:46] <Reaby> nobody ?
[10:47] <kevinO> runemaste644: if you try to install vmware-server on gutsy-beta you will need to download the patch to make it work
[10:47] <runemaste644> i want it on feisty tho
[10:47] <kevinO> should work then :)
[10:47] <runemaste644> i was runnin a gutsy VM on feisty to test Gutsy
[10:48] <runemaste644> and like ubotu says...
[10:48] <runemaste644> !test
[10:48] <ubotu> Failed.
[10:48] <kevinO> ahh
[10:48] <runemaste644> so where do i get it?
[10:49] <runemaste644> i will not use automatix
[10:49] <runemaste644> because
[10:49] <runemaste644> !automatix
[10:49] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[10:49] <kevinO> download it from vmware and compile it
[10:49] <runemaste644> i would like a direct link
[10:50] <kevinO> http://register.vmware.com/content/eula103.html, and to get the free serialz, http://register.vmware.com/content/registration.html
[10:51] <anoncow> hey has anyone in here had any issues with a Radeon 345M graphics card and gutsy?  I'm getting really bad graphics problems (wavy image, long black bar vertically down screen, split image)
[10:51] <markelhas> hi ppl i've problems with my gnome session, how can i use the failsafe setting in the gnome session?
[10:51] <kevinO> runemaste644: actual dl link http://download3.vmware.com/software/vmserver/VMware-server-1.0.3-44356.tar.gz
[10:51] <gnomefreak> markelhas: at the gdm choose failsafe
[10:52] <markelhas> gnomefreak, yes, but i want to fix the gnome session
[10:52] <gnomefreak> markelhas: maybe boot the recovery kernel?
[10:52] <markelhas> gnomefreak, using the failsafe it's ok, but i want to fix the gnome one.
[10:52] <jussi01> runemaste644: you will need the any-any patch also
[10:52] <markelhas> gnomefreak, and do what?
[10:53] <markelhas> gnomefreak, just boot e reboot?
[10:53] <kevinO> anyone know what directory for the c headers for the kernel are located?
[10:53] <markelhas> gnomefreak, just boot and reboot?
[10:53] <gnomefreak> markelhas: you havent said what is wrong with gnome
[10:53] <kevinO> jussi01: he is running fiesty
[10:54] <markelhas> gnomefreak, ok u right. When i login my desktop don't apper and when i click on the right button of the mouse nothing appens.
[10:54] <jussi01> kevinO: oh... ok... hmmm... this is ubuntu+1
[10:54] <gnomefreak> markelhas: disable compiz and see if it gets better
[10:54] <kevinO> jussi01: yeah, he was in hree cause he was running gutst as a guest
[10:55] <markelhas> gnomefreak, i a execute apparence the desktop wallpaper appers but the mouse option don't
[10:55] <jussi01> kevinO: ahhh... didnt read that far back...
[10:55] <gnomefreak> markelhas: try to install ubuntu-desktop please
[10:55] <markelhas> gnomefreak, nopez same problem with or without compiz
[10:55] <gnomefreak> markelhas: the whole desktop is blank (panels and menus?) or just mouse gestures?
[10:56] <kevinO> jussi01 you running vmwar-server on gutsy?
[10:56] <jussi01> kevinO: yeah
[10:56] <runemaste644> kevin0: would you usually have to pay for VMWare w/o the serialz?
[10:56] <markelhas> gnomefreak, just mouse gestures? and the wallpaper
[10:56] <kevinO> not for vmware-server
[10:56] <markelhas> gnomefreak, just mouse gestures and the wallpaper
[10:56] <kevinO> dont know why, i know its weird
[10:56] <gnomefreak> wallpaper is not there?
[10:56] <markelhas> gnomefreak, nops
[10:57] <stoffer_> Hi, still problems with the nvidia drivers after a reboot: When rebooting I get the "Ubunut in low graphc mode" dialog where I cannot find any nvidia settings
[10:57] <gnomefreak> markelhas: sounds like a config file messed up
[10:57] <gnomefreak> markelhas: hold on a minute lets try something
[10:57] <markelhas> gnomefreak, but if i run system->preferences->apperance the wallpaper appers
[10:57] <xnix> anyone here install from the gutsy beta cd?
[10:58] <cwillu> all I want is for gedit to remember my keyboard shortcuts.  any tips to accomplish that?
[10:58] <markelhas> gnomefreak, going to install the ubuntu-desktop
[10:58] <kevinO> jussi01, i tried to reconfigure vmware after this mornings kernel upgrade and its asking me what directory the are the  C header files that match your running kernel located?, normally i would do the default but its not working now
[10:58] <kevinO> that directory isnt there
[10:59] <kevinO> [/usr/src/linux/include] 
[10:59] <gnomefreak> markelhas: did you file a bug with all the info you have on issue?
[10:59] <markelhas> gnomefreak, nopes
[11:00] <gnomefreak> markelhas: please read topic. filing bug first helps us with your issue
[11:00] <b08y> hey guys i have a problem with usb2.0 hdd and ehci, where can i report that? It seems to me that the ehci kernel driver is bugy, when i remove ehci_hcd my usb2.0 drive start to work
[11:00] <gnomefreak> b08y: launchpad
[11:00] <b08y> and btw where can i see how the gusty kernel was compiled?
[11:00] <gnomefreak> b08y: again launchpad
[11:00] <markelhas> gnomefreak, but first i trying to check if this is a real but, cause it was working fine for me.
[11:01] <magicrobotmonkey> hey i'm trying to use screen and graphics preferences to add an external monitor, but the option for secondary screen is greyed out. how do i enable it?
[11:01] <markelhas> gnomefreak, be right back
[11:01] <gnomefreak> b08y: you can try #ubuntu-kernel but dont expect to be helped fast
[11:01] <spasticteapot> Anyone know why my battery life is so poor?
[11:01] <kevinO> is the second monitor plugged in?
[11:01] <spasticteapot> IAlso, what's the program that gives you a graph of power use over time?
[11:01] <gnomefreak> b08y: grab the source for kernel and see how it was compiled
[11:01] <spasticteapot> I have a Thinkpad X61 (not an X61s)
[11:01] <b08y> gnomefreak: thx, but i think they now the situation best
[11:02] <gnomefreak> b08y: launchpad might be faster as its well after 5pm UTC
[11:02] <magicrobotmonkey> spasticteapot: yes it is, and if you right click on the battery icon theres a power history
[11:02] <markelhas> gnomefreak, is there any form to use failsafe session settings in the gnome one?
[11:03] <spasticteapot> Ah, thanks.
[11:03] <spasticteapot> How can I adjust CPU stepping?
[11:03] <gnomefreak> markelhas: not that i know of i really think its a glitch in config file
[11:03] <magicrobotmonkey> not sure
[11:03] <magicrobotmonkey> havent done that since hoary
[11:03] <spasticteapot> powernowd -m won't do a dang thing.
[11:04] <kevinO> magicrobotmonkey: did you reboot with the second monotir plugged in?
[11:04] <magicrobotmonkey> kevinO: no, i thought the point was you didn't have to
[11:04] <markelhas> gnomefreak, very strange, this situation, now i've to boot always with failsafe.
[11:04] <kevinO> magicrobotmonkey:  just a guess, i would try that
[11:05] <magicrobotmonkey> meh ok, thx
[11:05] <kevinO> thats all i know about that
[11:05] <gnomefreak> markelhas: no you dont you are just not listening and looking for the config file but you feel free to boot failsafe
[11:05] <kevinO> i only have one monitor atm :(
[11:06] <markelhas> gnomefreak, sorry, can u tell then how can i solve this situation please?
[11:06] <markelhas> gnomefreak, i kind of noob in linux
[11:06] <gnomefreak> hold on a minute
[11:07] <spasticteapot> markelhas: Everyone once was. Don't give up, and don't let the more experienced users scare you off.
[11:07] <riotkittie> experienced ubuntu users arent scarey  :P
[11:07] <spasticteapot> Linux users tend to be like members of an engineering frat house: Prone to hazing new members, occasionally drunk, and surprisingly competent.
[11:08] <spasticteapot> riotkittie: Scary? No. Grouchy? Very.
[11:08] <gnomefreak> markelhas: rename ~/.gconf and log out and back in
[11:08] <spasticteapot> Example: Icee of #electronics.
[11:08] <gnomefreak> see if that helps
[11:08] <markelhas> spasticteapot, i trying to. but sometimes is a little difficult
[11:08] <spasticteapot> markelhas: What's the problem?
[11:08] <Draggin> G'day! I'm very new to Linux and only installed Feisty about three or four weeks ago for the first time.  Now I want to know - when I get my copy of Gutsy, do I have to a clean install or is there some way of just upgrading my existing system?
[11:08] <spasticteapot> Also, have you considered joining your local Linux User's Group?
[11:09] <riotkittie> hee. i'm a grouchy noob. :|
[11:09] <zblach> Draggin: upgrading is trivial
[11:09] <markelhas> gnomefreak, going to logout
[11:09] <spasticteapot> Draggin: Move your Home folder to a seperate partition. You'll keep almost all of your configuration stuff and all of your files, but you get the new OS.
[11:09] <Draggin> zblach - how so?
[11:09] <riotkittie> dist-upgrade <3
[11:09] <gnomefreak> hope he renamed it first
[11:10] <zblach> riotkittie: i have had dist-upgrade fail catatrophically a few times
[11:10] <gnomefreak> with no unofficial packages installed upgrade is easy
[11:10] <zblach> **catastrophically
[11:10] <stoffer_> Anyone have any hints on how to install the nvidia driver and not getting the "low graphic" dialog on startup
[11:10] <Draggin> spasticteapot - what about installed applications?
[11:10] <aigarius> I having a strange problem - just upgraded via the update-manager tool and after reboot the kernel refuses to mount any partitions except the root partition
[11:10] <gnomefreak> stoffer_: that could be your hardware not so much software
[11:10] <riotkittie> zblach: do you have anything odd installed?
[11:11] <gnomefreak> or atleast the xorg.conf has wrong values for your hardware
[11:11] <aigarius> the error is "Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda5"
[11:12] <stoffer_> gnomefreak: true, but had it working under feisty, and can get it to work when just restarting x, but after a reboot I get the dialog
[11:12] <gnomefreak> sda5 your swap partition? root? what?
[11:12] <aigarius> even in rescue mode trying to mount these partitions manually gives the same error
[11:12] <spasticteapot> Draggin: You'll need to reinstall.
[11:12] <gnomefreak> stoffer_: gutsy X is overhauled
[11:12] <Draggin> spasticteapot - no other option? There isn't an 'upgrade only' version of the OS?
[11:12] <gnomefreak> stoffer_: what worked in feisty may not and most of time wont work in gutsy since bulletproofX
[11:12] <aigarius> it is my /home partition, I can mount it fine if I boot the old feisty kernel or from other Linuxes
[11:13] <gnomefreak> aigarius: did you reboot after kernel update?
[11:13] <stoffer_> gnomefreak: thanks, where can I get some info on this, since this is most likely the problem.
[11:13] <aigarius> gnomefreak: yes. the boot is interrupted beause even fsck can not get to those devices
[11:13] <gnomefreak> stoffer_: thats a good question,
[11:14] <spasticteapot> Draggin: Programs only work because other programs are present. Linux is modular.
[11:14] <anoncow> hey has anyone in here had any issues with a Radeon 345M graphics card and gutsy?  I'm getting really bad graphics problems (wavy image, long black bar vertically down screen, split image)
[11:14] <gnomefreak> aigarius: this was a feisty upgrade?
[11:14] <spasticteapot> For example, Exaile! (like Amarok, but low CPU use) might rely on GTK1.3. Gutsy might feature GTK1.5.
[11:14] <aigarius> gnomefreak: upgraded from feisty to gutsy using the "update-manager -d"
[11:14] <Draggin> spasticteapot - may I ask you then - is there any 'urgent' need to move over to Gutsy from Feisty?
[11:15] <spasticteapot> Not unless you're one of us poor bastards using late-model laptops.
[11:15] <gnomefreak> aigarius: yeah figured that much but it intersting that you are having this issue
[11:16] <gnomefreak> aigarius: the names of devices didnt really change from feisty to gutsy so you shouldnt be seeing that problem
[11:16] <spasticteapot> Should I be using powernowd to try and adjust CPU stepping?
[11:16] <aigarius> gnomefreak: the devices are there, but for some reason nothing can get access to them saying the devices are busy already
[11:17] <Draggin> spasticteapot - hehe, okay thanks :)
[11:17] <gnomefreak> aigarius: give me a minute im gonna think on this one a bit, there should be a fairly simple solution i just cant think og it
[11:17] <spasticteapot> Draggin: Gutsy DOES feature Compiz built-in, which is quite nifty.
[11:17] <spasticteapot> It's also the "LTS" edition, which means that it will be supported for at least 18 months or so.
[11:18] <Draggin> spasticteapot - I've heard of Compiz, but I'm not too sure what it is...
[11:18] <aigarius> gnomefreak: I am also seeing device-mapper errors in the log
[11:18] <spasticteapot> It's like Expose on the mac.
[11:19] <[Ramy] > i upgraded to gutsy, i have one problem with rhythmbox. i can't play all real media files [.rm , .ram]  , when trying to play them i got noise and there is no error message :(
[11:19] <jmg_> [Ramy] : get a real format
[11:19] <spasticteapot> Try downloading one of the plugin packs.
[11:19] <spasticteapot> Also, realplayer is awful.
[11:19] <jmg_> yes
[11:19] <gabbarinho> truly one of the awful apps
[11:20] <jmg_> worst format ever
[11:20] <jmg_> remember their treatment on futurama
[11:20] <gabbarinho> and the program itself - awful
[11:20] <jmg_> guy goes to do a video call and it comes up with the real logo and Buffering....
[11:20] <[Ramy] > jmg_ what do u mean ? can you explain ? i could play them by rhythmbox on feisty
[11:20] <jmg_> [Ramy] : its a nonfree format
[11:20] <jmg_> and also crappy
[11:20] <gabbarinho> thankfully it's becoming less and less common
[11:21] <spasticteapot> I think I have a bug; the battery monitor panel applet is on the fritz.
[11:21] <gnomefreak> aigarius: a thought, boot recovery mode and do a dist-upgrade they rolled out 2 versions of one kernel in 24 hours wonder if that was why
[11:21] <jmg_> you're probably the only one in the world who willingly uses it through rhythmbox
[11:21] <Draggin> spasticteapot - sorry, tried checking out the compiz website, but it doesn't seem to want to load... And I'm afraid I don't know what Expose on a Mac is either :/
[11:21] <spasticteapot> I have the "power use" graph open, and it says I'm using 0.1 watts.
[11:21] <spasticteapot> draggin: It sort of re-arranges all the windows on your screen. It's handy for swapping between multiple windows.
[11:21] <stoffer_> any of you got a xorg.conf sample file I can tamper with ?
[11:22] <spasticteapot> There's loads of demos on youtube.
[11:22] <aigarius> gnomefreak: I just did a dist-upgrade, but I will try to use the main mirror now
[11:22] <gabbarinho> drag: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk1w
[11:22] <Draggin> spasticteapot - It's cooler than the advanced effects in Feisty?  Cause those are pretty awesome already...
[11:22] <[Ramy] > spasticteapot what are the plugins that related to real media files ?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> aigarius: use uk mirror i know that one works
[11:22] <spasticteapot> Draggin: I dunno. You might have Compiz installed for Feisty.
[11:22] <jmg_> [Ramy]  because it is not a commonly used format it may be a regression
[11:22] <gnomefreak> [Ramy] : check if you have the w32codecs installed
[11:22] <spasticteapot> Ramy: Search ".rm" or "realplayer" in Synaptic.
[11:22] <Draggin> spasticteapot - aha :)  That would make sense. Thanks
[11:23] <[Ramy] > jmg_ i want to play them by rhythmbox , because it has a very nice tool for manipulating play lists and library :)
[11:23] <bushwakko> hey, im using powertop here
[11:23] <bushwakko> is it possible to disable bluetooth in a prettier way than inloading the modules and stuff
[11:23] <bushwakko> anyway from within ubuntu?
[11:24] <gnomefreak> since its not a supported format there are a bunch of things that could have happened. seeing as ubuntu cant package support for them and rythmbox is installed by default its most likely a pakcage that got removed or messed with during upgrade (like w32codecs)
[11:24] <gnomefreak> bushwakko: i wish
[11:24] <jmg_> [Ramy] : it was a bug that it worked with rhythmbox to begin with ;)
[11:25] <bushwakko> powertop also suggested I disable hald-storage-addon
[11:25] <bushwakko> because it stopped sata power management to work well
[11:25] <bushwakko> because it was polling my cdrom
[11:25] <bushwakko> doesn't sound very elegant
[11:25] <bushwakko> should be better ways to detect cds
[11:26] <gnomefreak> bushwakko: gnome-volume-control does that
[11:26] <aigarius> gnomefreak: no upgrades found
[11:26] <gnomefreak> aigarius: i was afraid of that
[11:26] <bushwakko> gnomefreak, polls my mixer?
[11:26] <gnomefreak> aigarius: fsck is failing?
[11:26] <aigarius> yes
[11:26] <gnomefreak> bushwakko: no looks for media
[11:26] <bushwakko> why would a volume control do that?
[11:26] <gnomefreak> aigarius: can you umount it?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> bushwakko: thats its job, i wondered the same thing than gave up wondering
[11:27] <riotkittie> ack.
[11:27] <aigarius> gnomefreak: trying to unmount /dev/sda5 says that it is not monted, but trying to mount it says it is mounted or busy
[11:27] <gnomefreak> aigarius: yeah damnit
[11:28] <bushwakko> anyone with a macbook pro here who know how to get the damn fan to shut up ? :D
[11:28] <bushwakko> my cpus are like 55 and 52 degrees
[11:28] <bushwakko> which is very low
[11:28] <bushwakko> but still the fan goes on...
[11:28] <gnomefreak> aigarius: good news == current ISO's are not having that issue bad news == its either hardware related or you will be reinstalling
[11:28] <contrast83> after the latest 2.6.22-14 updates, should i be safe to boot on nvidia? i tried yesterday just prior to them with no luck.
[11:29] <gnomefreak> contrast83: nvidia works fine if you had issues you still may
[11:29] <gnomefreak> contrast83: find out the source of the issues
[11:29] <aigarius> gnomefreak: has there been a similar problem before?
[11:29] <zblach> hrm. i've been having some trouble with suspend/hibernation. anyone else?
[11:29] <gnomefreak> aigarius: yeah but i thought they were taken care of. search kernel on bugs.edge.launchpad.net
[11:30] <gnomefreak> zblach: i believe everyone else is with a few not
[11:30] <gnomefreak> zblach: they are hoping to have it worked out by release but even edgy and feisty some people never got it working right
[11:30] <zblach> it was working fine in feisty for me
[11:30] <contrast83> gnomefreak: well originally i had to reinstall linux-restricted-modules-generic-2.6.22-12 and nvidia-glx-new when 2.6.22-13 first hit repos, and haven't been able to boot into 2.6.22-13 since
[11:31] <gnomefreak> "having trouble" is a very broad range
[11:31] <zblach> ok. fails to restore.
[11:31] <zblach> spontaneous KDM resets
[11:31] <gnomefreak> zblach: that is a well known issue (atleast on a few laptops)
[11:31] <zblach> durn
[11:32] <gnomefreak> contrast83: and you have an update from feisty?
[11:32] <contrast83> gnomefreak: fresh install
[11:32] <gnomefreak> contrast83: you used r-m to install drivers?
[11:32] <contrast83> ~late tribe 4
[11:32] <contrast83> gnomefreak: i believe so, yes. don't remember for certain.
[11:32] <darius_> man
[11:33] <darius_> ipw3945 support got worse with gutsy
[11:33] <gnomefreak> contrast83: you should be fine but i dont see why it messed up for you at all
[11:34] <gnomefreak> ok be back soon last meeting of the day
[11:37] <Draggin> Later
[11:37] <Draggin> /disconnect
[11:37] <Ahadiel> Draggin, try /quit
[11:37] <Draggin> Hmm... so why doesn't that work...
[11:38] <aigarius> gnomefreak: I will try removing evms and regenerating menu.lst from as recommended in #137180
[11:43] <Davy_Jones> what would it take to be a developer for open source applications?
[11:43] <Davy_Jones> just learn C?
[11:44] <Jordan_U> Is it normal in Gutsy for X to be on vt10 sometimes and tty9 others ( and so far never tty7 ) ?
[11:44] <peepsalot> Davy_Jones, depends on the app
[11:44] <peepsalot> just write one in any language, and release under GPL, or contribute to an existing one
[11:44] <Xbehave> Jordan_U: mines on 7
[11:44] <Davy_Jones> but C seems to be preferred in the linux world
[11:45] <aigarius> gnomefreak: removing evms did the trick
[11:45] <peepsalot> Davy_Jones, well, C or C++ usually, but there are plenty of open source apps written in other things, python comes to mind for one
[11:46] <Davy_Jones> peepsalot: i hear python programs run slower than C
[11:47] <Xbehave> does anybody know why evms is getting installed so often when because of the stupid kernel patch it makes systems unbootable!
[11:47] <Xbehave> either the install AP and dpkg for evms need modifiying or evms should not be installed automatically
[11:47] <Davy_Jones> do you write stuff with C then use GTK libs to create a GUI interface?
[11:48] <peepsalot> Davy_Jones, if speed is an issue then C can be good for that, however for many programs speed isn't really an issue.  there are lots of apps that don't require much computational power, in which case it's easier to write and maintain them in a higher level language
[11:48] <sparsec> lol  - just a few minutes back ubuntu effectively ruled out access to my home directory all by itself, so the system went s*it
[11:48] <Davy_Jones> peepsalot: i see, good point
[11:48] <Davy_Jones> maintainability
[11:48] <sparsec> anyway - at first, I had no problem running desktop effects
[11:49] <sparsec> but then I loaded win drivers for my monitor
[11:49] <{Zeus}> why would you do that? :-/
[11:49] <sparsec> and everything went to hell, gdm included
[11:49] <peepsalot> Davy_Jones, if you aren't planning on hacking the kernel, IMO you don't really need to use C
[11:49] <jmg_> sparsec: ...
[11:49] <sparsec> so I edited xorg by hand
[11:49] <sparsec> to get it rigt
[11:49] <ratpoison> is it safe to sudo apt-get autoremove? it will remove my kernel 2.6.22-12 (I know have 2.6.22-13 & 14)
[11:49] <jmg_> sparsec: so how is that ubuntu's fault?
[11:49] <{Zeus}> yeah
[11:49] <{Zeus}> autoremove and autoclean are fine
[11:50] <sparsec> but I can't get desktop effects to work now - the titlebar is always missing
[11:50] <jmg_> sparsec: PICNIC
[11:50] <{Zeus}> are you using meatcity?
[11:50] <{Zeus}> or compiz
[11:50] <Davy_Jones> peepsalot: developing gaim for example would require C because that's the language it's written with, no?
[11:50] <jmg_> ahaaa meatcity hahahhaha
[11:50] <sparsec> jmg_: It's not about graphics, but about not being able to access my /home directory
[11:51] <jmg_> that'
[11:51] <ratpoison> sparsec? what?
[11:51] <sparsec> {Zeus}: metacity right now
[11:51] <{Zeus}> ok
[11:51] <ratpoison> sparsec: try alt+f2 compiz --replace
[11:51] <prakriti> anybody know anything about terrible Xgl performance on intel i915?
[11:51] <ratpoison> and then alt+f2 emerald --replace
[11:51] <{Zeus}> you said you can't access your home directory?
[11:51] <{Zeus}> are the permissions set OK?
[11:51] <sparsec> {Zeus}: I can now, I rebooted to safe mode and set permissions by hand using root account
[11:51] <ratpoison> try chown'ing it back to your usrname
[11:52] <{Zeus}> ok...
[11:52] <sparsec> But it was weird - all of a sudden I had no rights in my own directory, despite being the owner
[11:52] <{Zeus}> umm that's weird
[11:52] <sparsec> and I didn't touch the permissions from waay back
[11:52] <{Zeus}> do a "ls -l /home/
[11:53] <sparsec> everything was preserved back from feisty and dapper :)
[11:53] <sparsec> {Zeus}: It's ok now - I set my permissions back and even checked the umask
[11:54] <peepsalot> Davy_Jones, i'm not sure, maybe it is.  (BTW it's called Pidgin now ;-) )   I have done some programming, but haven't really contributed much to any open source projects, so take my advice with a grain of salt.
[11:54] <ratpoison> imagine that... having to chroot to your home....
[11:54] <sparsec> btw that "compiz --replace" does the same as turning desktop effects on - no titlebar
[11:54] <{Zeus}> umm...
[11:54] <peepsalot> Davy_Jones, actually now that I think of it, AFAIK the gnome/GTK libs are based in C, KDE/Qt libs based in C++
[11:54] <ratpoison> sparsec: nvidia or ati?
[11:55] <sparsec> ratpoison: nvidia
[11:55] <sparsec> ratpoison: 6800
[11:55] <peepsalot> Davy_Jones, but there are bindings to program with those libs in other languages (such as python)
[11:55] <ratpoison> sparsec: well I have ATI, so I'm not that sure, but, do you have emerald window decorator?
[11:55] <sparsec> ratpoison: I had, but I uninstalled it
[11:56] <ratpoison> then try gtk --replace
[11:56] <sparsec> ratpoison: I didn't switch any emerald theme on
[11:56] <ratpoison> or somesuch
[11:56] <Davy_Jones> peepsalot: i see, that's good to know
[11:56] <ratpoison> it's not that, lemme remember
[11:56] <peepsalot> Davy_Jones, i guess C is a good language to know, I just don't do a lot of desktop app programming in any language
[11:57] <sparsec> it's "metacity --replace"
[11:57] <ratpoison> or you could try sudo apt-get isntall heliodor and then heliodor --replace. Heliodor is (or was, I don't know if it's still there)
[11:57] <peepsalot> Davy_Jones, have you programmed in any languages before?
[11:57] <sparsec> thanks, but the problem isn't switchnig back to decelarated desktop
[11:57] <ratpoison> a window decorator similar to gtk
[11:57] <sparsec> metacity works fine
[11:57] <Davy_Jones> peepsalot: i have done QBasic back in high school.. and assembly programming at college
[11:57] <sparsec> the problem is getting compiz to work like before :)
[11:57] <Davy_Jones> peepsalot: my work doesn't involve programming at all though
[11:58] <ratpoison> well if you don't have titlebars, it's not that good then, is it?
[11:58] <Davy_Jones> peepsalot: i have a talent for programming, got high grades with little effort on those courses, and taught a lot of my peers.. but i still don't have the interest in it
[11:58] <sparsec> well of course not, that's why I'm running metacity right now :)
[11:58] <sparsec> but I'd love to get those shiny effects back in all their glory :)
[11:59] <Davy_Jones> peepsalot: i'm taking Computer Engineering next January, and i'm gonna have to do C programming, so i thought why not develop for open source apps to make it interesting
[11:59] <peepsalot> Davy_Jones, why would you be an OSS developer if you're not interested in it?
[11:59] <Davy_Jones> peepsalot: cuz i'm talented :P
[11:59] <peepsalot> ah, ego boost, that's a common reason :P
[11:59] <Davy_Jones> peepsalot: OSS would make me interested.. cuz of all the contributors
[11:59] <sparsec> Davy_Jones: Spare yourself some nerves and time and do some python programming instead of C. Do your homework, but don't get stuck with C for too long.
[12:00] <peepsalot> Davy_Jones, the nice thing about C is that it's a relatively small language by itself.  of course you have to extend it with a thousand libraries to do anything useful though, so in the end it's a lot to learn
[12:00] <ratpoison> sparsec: what I'm suggesting is that you use gtk window decorator w/ compiz
[12:00] <ratpoison> but I can't seem to remember which command it was exactly
[12:01] <sparsec> ratpoison: I've been doing that before. The problem is, compiz loads, but the titlebars from gtk just don't
[12:01] <ratpoison> well, I had the same problem back in my feisty / beryl days and that's how I fixed it
[12:01] <ratpoison> :)
[12:02] <sparsec> ah well then I hope you recall how you fixed it :) In the meantime, I'm gonna search for compiz conf files to erase :)(
[12:02] <Davy_Jones> peepsalot: i'll see if it's worth the effort in the next few years
[12:02] <Davy_Jones> peepsalot: thanks for the information, i'm off
[12:03] <peepsalot> np, later
[12:03] <contrast83> sparsec: ~/.config/compiz/compizconfig/Default.ini ?
[12:03] <Brian_> the install program for ubuntu 7.10 beta wont work,is it becuz its in beta right now?
[12:03] <sparsec> contrast83: thanks, will try that
[12:03] <contrast83> np
[12:04] <contrast83> sparsec: i just read further up... what's in the command field under the Window Decorations plugin in CCSM?
[12:04] <Brian_> the install program for ubuntu 7.10 beta wont work,is it becuz its in beta right now?
[12:04] <sparsec> contrast83: just a sec, I'll check
[12:05] <contrast83> sparsec: if it's blank, try putting "gtk-window-decorator &"
[12:05] <sparsec> contrast83: thanks - I tried that, but it didn't work
[12:06] <ratpoison> that's it
[12:06] <ratpoison> that's the part I just wouldn't remember!
[12:06] <linuxnub> anyone have any problems with the latest updates of the new kernel?
[12:06] <skinnypuppy34> I haven't
[12:06] <contrast83> sparsec: i take it you just want the metacity-looking borders, and not emerald?
[12:06] <ratpoison> gtk-window-decorator --replace (for it to last after the window from alt+f2 exits)
[12:07] <ratpoison> contrast83 they just won't load (that what he complains)
[12:07] <linuxnub> are you running restricted drivers?
[12:07] <contrast83> oops, sorry. forgot the --replace
[12:07] <contrast83> sparsec: nvidia?
[12:07] <sparsec> contrast83: yes
[12:07] <ratpoison> sparsec: I think you can add it to your login
[12:07] <ratpoison> session
[12:07] <sparsec> No luck so far
[12:07] <sparsec> everything I tried ended up with the same result
[12:08] <sparsec> no titlebar :)
[12:08] <ratpoison> sparsec: Not even that? "gtk-window-decorator --replace" (remember to turn compiz on for it to matter :) )
[12:08] <skinnypuppy34> if you are logged into terminal how do you start an x-session?
[12:08] <bastid_raZor> sparsec: i had to reinstall compiz-fusion to rid myself of that issue. remove then install. all works great now
[12:09] <sparsec> ratpoison: Of course. :) But still compiz won't put it up
[12:09] <contrast83> sparsec: one sec, i'm prying in #compiz-fusion
[12:09] <ratpoison> well, I'm stuck....
[12:09] <ratpoison> can't help you more man
[12:09] <sparsec> bastid_raZor: Thanks, I'll try that if everything else fails
[12:09] <contrast83> sparsec: it's most likely an easy fix, just a line in xorg.conf that you need
[12:09] <pookey> hi all - anyone know if we're on schedule for the 18th?
[12:09] <sparsec> ratpoison: No matter, you've helped ore than enough. Thanks.
[12:09] <ratpoison> skinnypuppy34: It's startx but I think it gives you an Xserver w/ root priviledges: not a good idea
[12:09] <sparsec> contrast83: thanks
[12:10] <linuxnub> anyone know what to do when the system freezes for a second or three every now and then while having desktop effects at "normal"?
[12:10] <contrast83> sparsec: <FusioBot> To fix your beryl/compiz window decorations (titlebars) with an nVidia graphics card, run  sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24 , then restart !X.
[12:10] <bastid_raZor> sparsec: it saved all my previous settings.. i created a profile  before uninstalling. simply bring that profile back up. all the tweaks i had done were there
[12:10] <contrast83> sparsec: But...
[12:10] <VousDeux> okay, I still cannot get an nvidia desktop with the -14 kernel
[12:11] <skinnypuppy34> Ok, I am trying to learn a few things about how ubuntu handles xsessions.
[12:11] <contrast83> sparsec: i'm not sure how well nvidia-xconfig is gonna work on Gutsy. you might find yourself having to run that command on a regular basis
[12:11] <VousDeux> I've tried both nvidia-glx-new and the current .run version
[12:11] <contrast83> VousDeux: Thanks for the info. You just saved me from a headache-ridden reboot. :-)
[12:11] <sparsec> contrast83: Ah, the joy of linux. All right, I admit defeat, and will try reinstalling compiz :)
[12:12] <ratpoison> sparsec: tell me you didn't try that at first!
[12:12] <VousDeux> I have tried the generic version of the xorg.conf that was created by the installer, and my tweaked version.
[12:12] <ratpoison> I thought we were beyond that!
[12:12] <contrast83> sparsec: actually, hang on, sorry.....
[12:12] <sparsec> ratpoison: No, of course I didn't try reinstalling it :)
[12:12] <contrast83> sparsec: could you pastebin your xorg.conf?
[12:12] <VousDeux> Either of these files works with the -13 kernel
[12:13] <sparsec> ratpoison: Reinstalling things is the windows way, and I don't do this for quite some time :)
[12:13] <sparsec> contrast83: I can't here in irc - it's prohibited
[12:13] <sparsec> contrast83: where can I dump it then?
[12:13] <VousDeux> I can get a gui desktop with a vesa driver on either kernel
[12:13] <ratpoison> just remember to add  compizconfig-settings-manager, to the whole shebang of effects
[12:13] <riotkittie> !paste | sparsec
[12:13] <ubotu> sparsec: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:13] <contrast83> sparsec: http://pastebin.ca
[12:14] <ratpoison> also a good idea: wgetpaste
[12:14] <sparsec> thanks
[12:15] <VousDeux> I had hoped that since the linux header files were in today's updates that I could finally get my nvidia desktop back, but no such luck
[12:15] <sparsec> http://pastebin.ca/732365
[12:15] <VousDeux> why does it seem like the nvidia drivers get broken every single time there is a kernel revision?
[12:15] <sparsec> VousDeux: I had hoped that since kernel freeze happened some week ago, rt2500 would work. Well it didn't and I owe it to ndiswrapper that I can browse the web
[12:16] <ratpoison> ... and here I thought that having an ATI card was a drag
[12:16] <ratpoison> and we have two nvidia users w/ problems
[12:16] <contrast83> sparsec: i really hope this isn't your *entire* xorg.conf. :-)
[12:17] <sparsec> well it is :)
[12:17] <prakriti> what does ubuntu use to generate an xorg.conf?
[12:17] <VousDeux> It seems like I have to spend hours fighting with nvidia at least once per week
[12:17] <prakriti> i still have the same xorg.conf from feisty
[12:17] <prakriti> and I would like it to give me a new one
[12:17] <sparsec> contrast83: It got messed up a little when I fiddled with that "bulletproof-x"
[12:17] <VousDeux> now, nothing works
[12:17] <riotkittie> rt2500usb makes  me a sad panda :|
[12:17] <prakriti> should i delete it and remove xorg and reinstall?
[12:17] <contrast83> bulletproof-x is causing headaches en masse, it seems
[12:18] <sparsec> yeah - I only wanted to try out the "import win driver" feature, just for fun
[12:18] <riotkittie> i wonder if i should try compiling them from source. hmm.
[12:18] <sparsec> well, it cost me - compiz broken, xorg messed up :)
[12:19] <linuxnub> well im back after upating kernels and all the broken stuff still seems to be working as before
[12:19] <contrast83> sparsec: got a terminal open?
[12:19] <sparsec> contrast83: ups - it's just a part of xorg
[12:19] <sparsec> contrast83: just a sec, will post the entire xorg
[12:19] <ineedshellhelp> anyone good with shell scripting??
[12:19] <prakriti> heh
[12:19] <contrast83> sparsec: -_~ i thought that was the entire xorg?
[12:19] <contrast83> ohh, got cha. nm
[12:19] <ratpoison> Do not meddle in the affairs of the restricted drivers, for they are subtle and quick to anger
[12:19] <VousDeux> what a pain...I'll be glad when all of my hardware is finally supported so I can stop installing updates and breaking everything...then spending hours, days, or weeks trying to figure out how to get it working again
[12:20] <ratpoison> ...to paraphrase tolkien
[12:20] <sparsec> http://pastebin.ca/732373
[12:20] <contrast83> lol ratpoison
[12:20] <ineedshellhelp> can someone help me with some shell scripting
[12:20] <sparsec> ratpoison: Monitor "drivers" are hardly restricted, since they are plain text files ;)
[12:21] <localhost> Hi, does Anyone know when exactly the release candidate is going to be up????
[12:21] <ratpoison> sparsec: they are subtle though... if you think what the are supposed to configure
[12:21] <sparsec> localhost: sometime today
[12:21] <linuxnub> QQ Xubuntu does not seem to have a way to enable desktop effects?
[12:21] <localhost> true
[12:21] <nosrednaekim> ok, my atheros wireless does in the last kernel update.
[12:21] <localhost> was hoping.... sometime tonight
[12:22] <Jordan_U> linuxnub, Xubuntu is aimed more at lower end hardware
[12:22] <nosrednaekim> *died
[12:22] <linuxnub> ya i know
[12:22] <^Ocean^> Im having a problem, I can only log into Gnome, if I log into the Gnome Failsafe
[12:22] <localhost> im newb too... is 512 really adequate for Kubu
[12:22] <localhost> ?
[12:22] <ratpoison> Jordan_U: xubuntu is supposed to share the repositories with ubuntu... they are there I think
[12:22] <localhost> i have shared memmory .... sux....
[12:22] <sparsec> contrast83: Have you checked my xorg.conf?
[12:23] <linuxnub> still would like to know if there is a way to stop my system from locking up for a few seconds randomly when i have desktop effects at "normal"?
[12:23] <Jordan_U> ^Ocean^, Have you added any session startup programs recently?
[12:23] <ratpoison> Jordan_U: try them at your own risk, mind you
[12:23] <localhost> linuxnub
[12:23] <contrast83> sparsec: sorry, one sec....
[12:23] <VousDeux> this is bumming me out...I can usually find someone in here that can help me figure out why nvidia stopped working, but no such luck for the third day now
[12:23] <ratpoison> !patience | sparsec
[12:23] <ubotu> sparsec: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:23] <ratpoison> :p
[12:23] <^Ocean^> Jordan_U, nope, only thing I have done is upgraded from Feisty, too Gutsy
[12:23] <localhost> that's probably...,, not enough memmory
[12:23] <Jordan_U> VousDeux, How did you install the drivers?
[12:24] <bastid_raZor> if my upgrade fails miserably by trying to do it by apt-get would attempting to fix it with an iso work? or possibly fresh install from iso?
[12:24] <Jordan_U> ^Ocean^, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy
[12:24] <^Ocean^> Jordan_U, Arnt I in that channel ?
[12:24] <sparsec> ratpoison: Just assuring the address didn't get lost in the sea of posts :)_
[12:24] <Jordan_U> ^Ocean^, My bad :)
[12:24] <localhost> i had similar problems with heat issues in laptops... especially with Athlons hot ... throttling
[12:24] <^Ocean^> haha makin sure im just not that blizted
[12:24] <VousDeux> for the .run version, I booted to recover mode and then 'telinit 3' before the 'sudo sh NVIDIA....' command
[12:24] <linuxnub> are you referring to my issue localhost?
[12:24] <localhost> yes
[12:24] <ratpoison> just having poking a little innocent fun, lost in the o' so poetic sea of infinite posts " <ratpoison> :p "
[12:25] <localhost> i am ;}
[12:25] <linuxnub> yes this is on a laptop with a fan mount beneath it
[12:25] <Jordan_U> VousDeux, Why aren't you using the drivers in the repos?
[12:25] <localhost> can you use windows....?
[12:25] <linuxnub> is there a workaround for this?
[12:25] <localhost> just curious... ... you can download fanspeed
[12:25] <localhost> see if it's throttling...
[12:25] <localhost> what processor are you using
[12:25] <VousDeux> for the nvidia-glx-new version, I used 'apt-get-install nvidia-glx-new' from a non-gui prompt
[12:25] <linuxnub> hmm ill try it
[12:26] <linuxnub> its a turionx2
[12:26] <localhost> it might be... speedfan
[12:26] <localhost> yep
[12:26] <Jordan_U> VousDeux, Why did you use the .run installer then?
[12:26] <VousDeux> Jordan_U: I have tried both, usually when one won't work the other will
[12:26] <linuxnub> HP dv2415
[12:26] <localhost> likely... temp goes up... and multiplier drops... can
[12:26] <Jordan_U> VousDeux, Which did you try first?
[12:26] <localhost> happen a few times in a 30 sec period
[12:26] <linuxnub> ya so how do you fix that exactly
[12:27] <linuxnub> throttle fanspeeds?
[12:27] <VousDeux> Jordan_U: the nvidia-glx-new was already installed when I updated to the -14 kernel
[12:27] <hoa3r> Sitzt bei euch das Logout-Splash-Fenster auch nicht genau in der Mitte?
[12:27] <localhost> no.... amd processors... slow down when they get hot
[12:27] <contrast83> sparsec: http://pastebin.ca/732379
[12:27] <Jordan_U> !de | hoa3r
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[12:27] <localhost> see if your core temp is high
[12:27] <linuxnub> im using one of those fan mounts underneath it to keep it cooler
[12:27] <localhost> if so... clean the inside....
[12:27] <VousDeux> Jordan_U: I first tried to just reinstall it, but it said it was already the latest version
[12:27] <sparsec> contrast83: thanks a lot, will try that
[12:27] <localhost> even though... I've been in the same situation
[12:28] <VousDeux> Jordan_U: then I tried the .run version
[12:28] <contrast83> sparsec: no prob. good luck
[12:28] <hoa3r> oops sorry. ubotu.
[12:28] <ratpoison> VousDeux: Did you say you updated your kernels lately?
[12:28] <localhost> see if your core temp goes above 50 60 c
[12:28] <Jordan_U> VousDeux, try "sudo apt-get remove --reinstall nvidia-glx-new"
[12:28] <VousDeux> Jordan_U: then I tried the nvidia-glx-new again
[12:28] <contrast83> sparsec: not sure if you're able to deter Bulletproof X, but if you are, my advice would be to not use it at this point
[12:28] <linuxnub> if it does?
[12:28] <dougb> is there a way to disable ctrl+alt+del from bringing up the shutdown dialogue
[12:28] <VousDeux> Jordan_U: then I uninstalled the nvidia-glx-new and reinstalled it
[12:28] <ratpoison> (strike the plural from kernels)
[12:28] <localhost> if it is hot... check your fans
[12:29] <localhost> inside the lappy...
[12:29] <linuxnub> kk synaptic cant find fanspeed
[12:29] <VousDeux> Jordan_U: then I tried the .run version again
[12:29] <localhost> and ventilation... probably clogged with dust sumware
[12:29] <ratpoison> VousDeux: did you restart? because I think that when your kernel is updated, your restricted modules have to be re-installed
[12:29] <linuxnub> that the name of the app?
[12:29] <localhost> no.... only in MS windows... do i know a core temp checker proggie
[12:29] <VousDeux> Jordan_U: I also tried variations of the xorg.conf for each installation
[12:29] <localhost> im sure there is one for linux
[12:30] <linuxnub> lol i trashed Vista the second i got that laptop home
[12:30] <magicrobotmonkey> i was trying to figure out how to crank the fans off the live cd cause it was overheating on install
[12:30] <VousDeux> ratpoison: yes, I always restart after any updates...I have restarted probably about 30 times since then
[12:30] <linuxnub> its a new lappy only a month old
[12:30] <localhost> http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
[12:30] <ratpoison> VousDeux: I envy your patience
[12:30] <localhost> how much memmory
[12:30] <localhost> 1gb
[12:30] <ratpoison> pun not intented
[12:30] <VousDeux> Jordan_U: I will try that command...I have not tried it in exactly that manner...thanks
[12:30] <localhost> 512
[12:31] <localhost> should be enough.... what graphics adapter do you have.,...
[12:31] <linuxnub> kk thanks for the help localhost will try that out
[12:31] <localhost> im afk
[12:32] <localhost> n|p hope something werks./... prolly a graphics adapter driver composite... god knows... etc....
[12:32] <VousDeux> I'm pretty sure the last thing I installed was the .run version, but Adept still says I have nvidia-glx-new
[12:32] <VousDeux> and I do not appear to be running a restricted driver
[12:33] <VousDeux> could the .run version and nvidia-glx-new be the same thing?
[12:33] <ratpoison> well, what worked on my machine (curiously enough) was to check/uncheck the box at "ubuntu restricted drivers manager"
[12:34] <ratpoison> and reboot
[12:34] <VousDeux> hmmm...
[12:34] <ratpoison> Something about correctly informing the kernel about the restricted modules I guess
[12:35] <rsferreira> My notebook only boots Gusty on battery. On ac power it crashes some seconds after gdm is loaded, unless I set acpi=off in the kernel line. Has anyone seen something like this?
[12:35] <markelhas> !ethernet
[12:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ethernet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:36] <ratpoison> I don't like to play pro with restricted drivers, since 1.) I'm not a pro 2.) Never underestimate the impotence of closed source. So I do everything as per the "official way"
[12:36] <ratpoison> that's why I only the GUI for that kind of shit
[12:37] <markelhas> how can i check the speed of my ethernet? cause i think i'm having speed problems.
[12:37] <ratpoison> isn't it at your system-monitor?
[12:38] <|neon|> markelhas: use sudo ethtool eth0
[12:38] <markelhas> |neon|, can u give me some tips?
[12:39] <|neon|> what's the output you get with   the ethtool command
[12:39] <hoa3r> i have noticed that the logout spash window is not exactly vertically in the middle. i just heard that other users have this problem too.
[12:39] <markelhas> |neon|, when i try to copy large files over my ethernet i've high time transfer
[12:40] <hoa3r> here is a screenshot: http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8306/logoutscreenny0.png
[12:40] <derFuchs> i got this 'problem' as well
[12:40] <derFuchs> :-)
[12:40] <|neon|> what's the output you get with   the ethtool command
[12:40] <derFuchs> but i use a 4:3 monitor
[12:41] <markelhas> |neon|, sudo ethtool
[12:41] <|neon|> markelhas: use sudo ethtool eth0
[12:41] <|neon|> u should get something like this
[12:41] <atlfalcons866> will there be a huge update tomorrow
[12:41] <|neon|> Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
[12:41] <|neon|>         Speed: 1000Mb/s
[12:41] <|neon|>         Duplex: Full
[12:41] <|neon|>         Port: Twisted Pair
[12:41] <|neon|> 
[12:41] <markelhas> |neon|, Link detected: yes
[12:42] <|neon|> speed? duplex?
[12:42] <atlfalcons866> will there be a huge update tomorrow
[12:42] <markelhas> |neon|, this is a wireless connection
[12:42] <markelhas> |neon|, 11Mb/s i think
[12:42] <VousDeux> dang...finally. nothing like venting a little frustration and then figuring out the solution...I had to install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic again
[12:43] <|neon|> the command ethtool eth0 will give you the speed your nic is running what is it
[12:43] <hoa3r> gn8
[12:43] <VousDeux> I swear I checked the list for that before I even installed the kernel in the first place
[12:44] <izm99> my network is timing out on gutsy.  but i'm not sure where to file the bug....  It could be my rt2500 driver... it could be network manager, I'm not sure.  suggestions?
[12:44] <markelhas> !paste
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[12:44] <atlfalcons866> is release canditate almost identical to the final release?
[12:45] <ratpoison> atlfalcons866 yup, pretty much
[12:45] <markelhas> |neon|, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40211/
[12:45] <ratpoison> !gutsy
[12:45] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[12:45] <Seeker`> atlfalcons866: Hopefully, yes, however, if big bugs are found, no
[12:45] <|neon|> i have a gigabit network running using a dual opteron with clark connect all nic are 1 gigabit the switch is 1 gigabit i noticed that my gutsy box is slow copying from my file server average 6 meg  copying into my file server the speeds are 30 megs so it couldbe something going on
[12:45] <atlfalcons866> is ext4 in gutsy
[12:46] <ratpoison> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+specs
[12:46] <|neon|> you can use ethtool to change settings like duplex, speeds auto negotiation and so on it would help to see what speed are u running
[12:46] <ratpoison> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule for the schedule
[12:47] <markelhas> can some one help with this network low speed problem?
[12:47] <atlfalcons866> !ext4
[12:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ext4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:47] <atlfalcons866> !ext3
[12:47] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[12:48] <|neon|> markelhas: i am trying if you could tell me what ethtool eth0 gives you l, couple things come to play your nic,     hd setup and so on so just saying my network is slow is very hard to figure out
[12:48] <svu> I hate ipw3945. It is so weird
[12:49] <markelhas> what time should take to transfer a file with 600MG from a windows machine with a lan100 to a laptop with 11Mb/s
[12:49] <markelhas> ?
[12:49] <markelhas> |neon|, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40211/
[12:49] <Seeker`> 11Mb/s = 11/8 MB /s
[12:49] <Seeker`> which is ~1.25MB/s
[12:49] <VousDeux> good...clean boot. thanks for the help folks
[12:49] <Seeker`> so 600 / 1.25 seconds, at the minimum
[12:50] <Seeker`> but thats assuming you get full speed all the time
[12:50] <Seeker`> in reality it will be lower than that
[12:50] <ratpoison> that's assuming a lot actually
[12:50] <Seeker`> i'd guess it would take 15 mins or so
[12:51] <markelhas> Seeker`, hummmm that's my point for me takes double time 30 mins :(
[12:51] <ratpoison> atlfalcons866: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4
[12:52] <ratpoison> it says ext4 is developmental
[12:52] <rickson> hi, i'm having trouble upgrading from feisty to gutsy using a cdrom
[12:52] <rickson> the cdrom upgrade is hanging
[12:52] <rickson> near the beginning
[12:52] <rickson> does anyone know why this is?
[12:52] <ratpoison> did you check your iso for errors?
[12:53] <kyja> I know it is not supported but my restricted ati driver does not work
[12:53] <Seeker`> markelhas: Thats believable
[12:53] <rickson> no, just in case i will
[12:53] <markelhas> Seeker`, hummm is it?
[12:53] <markelhas> Seeker`, i think it's strange, maybe i'm wrong.
[12:53] <ratpoison> kyja: what does your fglrxinfo say?
[12:54] <Seeker`> markelhas: yup - 30 mins = 300k/s
[12:54] <Jordan_U> kyja, In what way?Does X not start when you have it set to use fglrx?
[12:54] <kyja> ratpoison, idk how do idleone__ check?
[12:54] <Seeker`> = 2.4MB/s,
[12:54] <rickson> has anyone successfully upgraded using the cdrom?
[12:54] <kyja> it is checked but says not in use
[12:54] <ratpoison> kyja: applications>Accessories>terminal
[12:54] <ratpoison> type fglrxinfo
[12:55] <Jordan_U> !paste | kyja
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[12:55] <Seeker`> markelhas: if its wireless, it is entirely possible that you only get that speed - you will never end up maxing out a connection due to overheads etc.
[12:56] <markelhas> Seeker`, ok. but i think when i was using windows this was less time.
[12:56] <kyja> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40213/
[12:56] <markelhas> Seeker`, right now i've started a transfer of a file with 700MG, says that will take 31 mins
[12:56] <Seeker`> markelhas: was the laptop in exactly the same place with exactly the same conditions + interference etc.?
[12:57] <markelhas> Seeker`, yap, just changes the os.
[12:57] <ratpoison> markelhas: as a scientist I have to tell you that wireless speed may depend on a lot of stuff you can't control, even the weather/humidity are very large factors
[12:57] <Seeker`> markelhas: my point was that the speed is dependant on a lot of uncontrollable things
[12:58] <^Ocean^> Im having a problem, I can only log into Gnome, if I log into the Gnome Failsafe
[12:58] <markelhas> Seeker`, right now it's transferring @ +-450KB/s.
[12:58] <ratpoison> kyja: how did you go about installing your graphics card?
[12:58] <Seeker`> if someone turned on a router a few houses away, it can affect the speed etc.
[12:58] <kyja> it us an ati radion x600 mobility. the restricted driver had been working.
[12:59] <markelhas> Seeker`, over a 11Mb/s i think it's slow. but maybe i wrong. later i'll check with a windows machine.
[12:59] <Seeker`> markelhas: I would only be worried if it was regularly < 50kbps - and there isn't much you can do to improve it, short of move closer to the router
[01:00] <Seeker`> at uni the wireless is 54megabit, but in some places it drops to 3 or 4 kilobytes / sec, due to interferance from other networks / walls etc.
[01:00] <ratpoison> kyja: check syste>Administration>restricted drivers manager. Is the box checked?
[01:00] <kyja> it is checked and says not in use.
[01:00] <markelhas> Seeker`, lol i'm to close to it.
[01:00] <kyja> it just wont enable
[01:00] <ratpoison> try checking/unchecking the box
[01:01] <kyja> I have and restarted several times
[01:01] <ratpoison> kyja: did you update recently?
[01:01] <markelhas> Seeker`, ok thnks for the help
[01:01] <markelhas> Seeker`, go to go.
[01:01] <kyja> yes there have been a barage of updates
[01:03] <kyja> i dont know I was wondering if there have been others with same trouble
[01:03] <ratpoison> kyja: check on syaptic if your linux-restricted-modules (or somesuch) package is the same version as your kernel
[01:03] <kyja> oooh good idea ratpoison
[01:04] <ratpoison> if it's not, boot from the previous kernel, until they are updated
[01:04] <ratpoison> and then make sure you check/uncheck the box
[01:06] <^Ocean^> Im having a problem, I can only log into Gnome, if I log into the Gnome Failsafe
[01:07] <kyja> I did notice soething. I will try it
[01:12] <atlfalcons866> beagle dosent load on startup
[01:15] <cld2> if I install beta and just keep do apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade will I be considered non beta once gutsy comes out? i should I just wait?
[01:15] <cld2> or should I just wait? sorry.
[01:15] <ratpoison> cld2: you won't need dist-upgrade I think
[01:16] <ratpoison> you already HAVE gutsy
[01:16] <ratpoison> (or will)
[01:16] <cld2> ratpoison: ok, thanks. so just do upgrades. dist-upgrade if a new kernel or something thought.
[01:16] <cld2> ratpoison: like the WM?
[01:17] <ratpoison> like what? what do the initials mean?
[01:17] <cld2> there is a non wimp windows manager (WM) called ratpoison
[01:17] <^Ocean^> whats the Compiz Window Manager ?
[01:17] <cld2> compiz
[01:17] <ratpoison> cld2: no
[01:18] <ratpoison> I don't even know why it's called a manager
[01:19] <ratpoison> !compiz
[01:19] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:19] <bastid_raZor> E: tzdata: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
[01:19] <bastid_raZor> E: util-linux: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[01:19] <bastid_raZor> how does one fix this lovely issue.
[01:20] <ratpoison> mmmmmm package panic.... I don't envy you man
[01:20] <ratpoison> did you by any chance install the linux32 package?
[01:20] <bastid_raZor> i get this error after my upgrade to gutsy failed.. now i'm in limbo between gusty and fiesty
[01:20] <^Ocean^> compokay here it the problem, Compiz seems too start,   and i get window effects and stuff,   But no window Decorations ( The title bar , Min,Max, Close Buttons )
[01:21] <ratpoison> ^Ocean^: do you use emerald themes?
[01:21] <^Ocean^> ratpoison, Hmm, Easy way too find out ?
[01:21] <bastid_raZor> ratpoison: i do not know what all gutsy installed. i wasn't around while the install installing
[01:22] <ratpoison> basid_raZor: check on synaptic
[01:22] <ratpoison> bastid_raZor: check on synaptic
[01:22] <bastid_raZor> ratpoison: no linux32 1-3build1 is not installed
[01:22] <Outlander> hi