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(Calicoo/#ubuntu+1) I don't believe so. Just this: BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3 -2ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash)05:08
(Evanlec/#ubuntu+1) it works but u hafta hold all the buttons down, its tough ;p05:08
(hydrogen/#ubuntu+1) Vuen: why should ubuntu change a shortcut that has existed since forever?05:08
(cyclonut/#ubuntu+1) evanlec - aways forget that combo...05:09
(nomasteryoda/#ubuntu+1) Evanlec, no if you do it in sequence it will work05:09
(Vuen/#ubuntu+1) hydrogen: same reason windows 95 got rid of a similar shortcut that has existed since forever: it's DANGEROUS.05:09
(earlmred/#ubuntu+1) Calicoo, you have a livecd around? sounds like your initram is messed up perhaps05:09
(hydrogen/#ubuntu+1) Vuen: its not dangerous. It's helpful.05:09
(Vuen/#ubuntu+1) hydrogen: more than that, it gives no warning about what you've done.05:09
(hydrogen/#ubuntu+1) Vuen: linux was not designed for the feeble minded05:09
(Calicoo/#ubuntu+1) :/ Does that mean I have to reinstall?05:09
(Evanlec/#ubuntu+1) cyclonut, i didnt believe it worked, cuz i press alt+printscrn and then typed reisub but it didnt work, i had to hold alt+prntscrn while typing reisub05:09
(Evanlec/#ubuntu+1) nomasteryoda, well it didnt seem to work for me..had to hold alt+prntscrn while typing reisub05:10
(erichj/#ubuntu+1) yeah, mac os is for the feeble minded. windows is for the apathetic05:10
(nomasteryoda/#ubuntu+1) wow05:10
(Vuen/#ubuntu+1) hydrogen: that's the most shortsighted thing i've ever heard in this discussion. ubuntu is designed for EVERYONE.05:10
(jewbilee/#ubuntu+1) I've gotten everything for the desktop cube working other than actually seeing the cube and being able to rotate it, can someone help?05:10
DavoDinkummacosx is for rich people05:10
hydrogenVuen: that doesn't mean linux was.05:10
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earlmredhmm tempted to try the sysrq trick to see what it does05:10
erichjDavoDinkum, apples don't cost anymore than than a dell with the exact same features05:11
Vuenwhere did i mention linux, anyway? i said ubuntu should drop the silly shortcut.05:11
Konamhydrogen linux is just the kernel05:11
nomasteryodajewbilee, ctrl+alt and middle mouse button drag05:11
nomasteryodaon the desktop space jewbilee05:11
hydrogenKonam: no... linux is /not/ just a kernel05:11
earlmredCalicoo, no, you can rebuild it if you can get into / and /boot from a livecd05:11
bazhangjewbilee: hit alt +f2 keys, then compiz --replace  &05:11
jewbileenomas: that doesn't work05:11
hydrogenKonam: the linux kernel is a major part of linux, but its not just the kernel05:11
cellofellowearlmred: can't get it to work. May be my laptop geyboard.05:11
DavoDinkumso what? apple has crappy DRM in their products anyway, and dell still bundle windows. i wouldnt buy from either of them05:11
jmg_you mean GNU/linux05:11
hydrogenKonam: though I suppose I wasn't all that clear05:11
jewbileebazhang, what did that do?05:11
kingrayrayDavoDinkum: Dell sells Ubuntu PC's.05:11
Konamhydrogen linux is just the kernel05:11
CalicooGo on... :)05:12
jmg_^05:12
nomasteryodajewbilee, started compiz05:12
Konamdespite the GNU/Linux vs. Linux discussion05:12
DavoDinkumcall me when they stop shipping windows05:12
erichjDavoDinkum, well you were the one who said apple was for rich people. personally, i buy Acers05:12
cellofellowI just bought a Gateway, but would have liked a System76. :) Best Ubuntu seller around.05:12
earlmredlol alt-prt scr in gnome causes take a screenshot to come up05:12
jewbileecompiz was started05:12
bazhangjewbilee: now hit alt + f2 again, and type emerald --replace &05:12
Vuenincredible. "linux not for feeble-minded" -> "ubuntu should keep dangerous undocumented shortcuts". your logic is infallible.05:12
nomasteryodaDavoDinkum, that's bug #105:12
DavoDinkumi said osx was for rich people05:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105:12
nomasteryoda=D05:12
nomasteryodaoh now the tirade is on again...05:12
nomasteryodalol05:13
erichjDavoDinkum, there is no distinction between the two. since you can't legally have os x without buying a mac05:13
DavoDinkumyes you can05:13
cellofellowI have a simple question. How do I get an input box for the Deskbar Applet to show on the panel?05:13
jmg_erichj: you can purchase the OS without owning a mac05:13
erichjyou can't legally run it05:13
DavoDinkumbut you can still buy it05:14
cellofellowThe EULA says "Apple hardware only." or something?05:14
erichjyes05:14
DavoDinkumill put an apple sticker on my PC then05:14
cellofellowwhat does Apple hardware have that commodity PC doesn't?05:15
Konamwhy are we talking about Apple here05:15
jewbileebazhang that didnt work05:15
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erichjcellofellow, drivers for mac os?05:15
cellofellowlol05:16
DavoDinkummac os has drivers?05:16
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nomasteryodaCalicoo, do you get this message .... "can't access tty"05:16
CalicooDon't believe so. I can reboot, observe what happens and then report back?05:17
kazmosikdoes anybody have any knowledge of wireless i having trbl05:18
ximalhmm05:19
ximalwhat kind of trouble ?05:19
ximalthe driver not available ?05:19
ximalfirmware ?05:19
CalicooUnless you have any ideas. Or can advise me on what to do in the live cd.05:19
kazmosikok i got to where i can connect to my network05:19
kazmosikbut very low signal strength and cant access the net05:20
SivanandaSo...05:21
Sivanandacan I get some help with an upgrade issue?05:21
kazmosiki new to linux or id hep u05:22
DanaGcellofellow: if you want the input box in deskbar-applet, you have to install the old version.05:22
SivanandaThx kazmosik. Maybe someone else? Upgraded from feisty to gutsy via the adept dist-upgrader...05:23
ximalsorry for the query vuen.. i'm still getting used to irssi05:23
kazmosiki just did that05:23
SivanandaSeemed to work mostly ok (I'm typing this from the system now)...05:23
kazmosikbut i didnt use the upgrade i got the iso and copied over  the winblows os05:24
SivanandaStarted it last night, came back in the morning to a login screen...05:24
cellofellowDanaG: that sucks05:24
CalicooAlright. Brb.05:24
cellofellowDanaG: why does it have to be just a little launcher-style thing?05:25
SivanandaLogged in, adept update icon in the tray shows 834 packages available for upgrade...05:25
jmg_Sivananda: welcome to the beta phase :)05:25
nomasteryodaSivananda, yes that will happen.. it takes several times updating to get it fully updated05:25
SivanandaStarted the updater, get the ""Another process is using the packaging system database" error.05:25
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kazmosiki havent upgraded anything yet05:25
nomasteryodai run daily... sudo aptitude update && aptitude upgrade05:26
Sivanandajmg_: thx. I expected some issues... lol05:26
jmg_Sivananda: its a very fast moving target from here to final05:26
cellofellownomasteryoda: wouldn't it be `sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade`?05:26
DanaGI wish my brightness control would be fixed.05:27
cellofellowbash interprets the &&, not sudo.05:27
SivanandaThe problem tho' is that I can not move forward now on continuing with updating...05:27
nomasteryodanot if you started the command with sudo05:27
DanaGbug 12183305:27
cellofellowso, you have to sudo twice05:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12183305:27
nomasteryodacellofellow,  not on my box05:27
nomasteryoda=D05:27
DanaGIt's really frickin' annoying.05:27
cellofellowMine mysteriously doesn't work.05:27
nomasteryodathere is a timeout for sudo...05:27
cellofellowThe brightness thingy.05:27
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nomasteryodaif it times out, sure05:27
DanaGI think I need to update the title and description of the bug.05:28
cellofellowmine caches the password, but still needs a double sudo.05:28
DanaGI managed to work around the bug, but then they broke the workaround.05:28
contrast83nomasteryoda: Shouldn't that be sudo aptitude full-upgrade on a pre-release? :-)05:29
DanaGMy brightness keys are also broken.  What gives?05:29
jmg_See topic.05:30
Sivanandanomasteryoda: So any ideas on how to clear the issue with the database lock? I've tried the 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' approach, and it throws this back: "dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0003' near line 2 package `libc6':`triggers-pendi' is not allowed for third (status) word in `status' field".05:30
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ximalanyone know if there is any way to have programs shrink to the toolbar like gnutella's icon only but not close.. so it doesn't go to the bottom toolbar on the bottom ?05:30
ximalplease help ..05:31
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m1keIs there an error with jre6 and gutsy?05:32
ximalno mike.. but if ur 64 bit runner like me..05:32
jmg_m1ke: why dont you tell us05:32
ximalyou'll have java issues05:32
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shirishdoes anybody know how to install openoffice.org extensions into openoffice.org for all users. I can't see the extension manager in gutsy05:32
contrast83Sivananda: Sounds like the package for libc6 that's in your cache is corrupted. Maybe try manually downloading it and running "sudo dpkg -i libc6"?05:32
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clustyhow can i run a program whenever my PC boots?05:33
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CalicooOkay, here's what said line by line:05:33
m1keWell I tried installing JRE6 from synaptic and CLI but my app wont install properly.  So I removed and downloaded jre-6u3-linux-i586.bin   straight from java website and get same error with my application.05:33
contrast83Sivananda: What's the output of "dpkg --get-selections|grep libc6"?05:33
SivanandaOne thing I notice is the error says 'triggers-pendi' not allowed, but if I cat the mentioned file, the named word is actually 'triggers-pending'. Seems like something is cutting off the last two letters when reading the file...05:33
CalicooBusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu7) Built in shell (ash)05:34
AndyCRDeskbar is buggy as heck in Feisty, any idea if it's fixed in Gutsy? It sometimes only displays a tiny tiny little window of results05:34
ximali guess05:34
ximalnoone care05:34
CalicooEnter 'help' for a list of built in commands05:34
contrast83Sivananda: Weird05:34
ximalanyone know if there is any way to have programs shrink to the toolbar like gnutella's icon only but not close.. so it doesn't go to the bottom toolbar on the bottom ?05:34
Calicoo(initramfs) [cursor here] 05:34
contrast83!patience | ximal05:34
ubotuximal: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines05:34
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ximalhmm05:35
ximaltrue contrast..05:35
ximali just tired..05:35
Sivanandacontrast83: that command throws the identical error05:35
m1kehere is a clipped section from my error when I attemp to install my app.  Cannot load AWT toolkit: gnu.java.awt.peer.gtk.GtkToolkit  - java.awt.AWTError: Cannot load AWT toolkit: gnu.java.awt.peer.gtk.GtkToolkit at com.datafire.app.DataFireApp.main(Unknown Source) Caused by: java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: initIDs05:35
ximalhey mike , why not use www.pastebin.ca and let us see the whole error ?05:35
m1kek05:36
contrast83ximal: The way you might want to phrase your question could be more along the lines of, "How can I send any program to the system tray", and perhaps the reason you're not getting an answer in here is it's not really related to Gutsy-troubleshooting. ;-)05:36
ximalpaste the url in here for the entire issue m8..05:36
ximaloh contrare mon share .. lol05:36
ximalanything having to do with the workability of ubuntu and it's contribution of future bits that could be added to ubuntu are on topic sir..05:37
ximalps : am i arguing with a dev or someone who's extensively versed in linex ?05:37
jewbilee!mps05:37
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about mps - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi05:37
jewbilee!mp305:37
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats05:37
contrast83ximal: A noob. :-P05:37
ximalahh05:38
kingrayrayis sharing screenshots of your super cool Gutsy setup on topic? :P05:38
ximalwell if you just came to this channel05:38
contrast83ximal: Gutsy's already hit the feature freeze, by the way. ;-)05:38
ximal... feature freez ?05:38
kingrayrayice cold baby05:38
contrast83heh05:38
contrast83The point at which no new features will be added and all development is focused on fixing bugs.05:39
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ximali'm just wandering ... does anyone in here use something like gtk-gnutella that could tell me how to getthe program to shrink to the system tray or use it's icon instead of just shrinking it to the toolbar on the bottom ... ???05:39
CalicooAnd not to sound cynical, but it sounds like they have enought to worry about.05:39
m1kehttp://pastebin.org/451605:40
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ximalhmm... true contrast but i'm asking for individual help on something i could use to better verse myself in linex and maybe even contribute to the future use of things in ubuntu ;)05:40
ximalhey mike.. checking now...05:40
contrast83ximal: There's a good number of apps in the repos that do what you're looking for. Try searching for stuff with "system tray" or "dock" in the name/description. I'd tell you one in particular if I knew it offhand.05:40
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CalicooAnyway, can anyone help me with BusyBox and how to boot to the desktop?05:40
ximalahh... thanks for the repository reference.. i didn't think about it05:40
m1keIf there is a better application for me to use, please let me know.  WIC is what I found googling for a linux compatibile one05:40
ximalwhich on e? medibutnu.org ?05:40
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contrast83ximal: I realize that, and I'm not faulting you for it. Just saying you'd probably get better responses in a room geared towards general Ubuntu use (e.g., #ubuntu). Not trying to be a d__k or anything. :-)05:41
ximalhey mike.. ever heard of firefox ? and just right clicking the image and clicking VIEW IMAGE ?05:41
ximalyour not ... trast.. ur cool m805:42
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m1keximal, yes, but it is not efficient if I want to save say 100 picutres05:43
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kingrayraythere is always the DownThemAll! extension for Firefox05:43
contrast83m1ke: downThemAll extension?05:43
kingrayrayhehehehe05:43
contrast83heh05:43
contrast83m1ke: or are the pictures you're wanting embedded within html pages?05:44
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Sivanandacontrast83: re your comment on possible corrupt libc6 package, maybe I'm reading it wrong (not well-versed in these things), but the error message seems to indicate an issue involving a dpkg parse error in file/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0003. Isn't that a dpkg file, not a libc6 file?05:44
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DanaGArgh, Virtualbox is bugged -- it doesn't work unless I disable one core on the host.05:45
m1keembeded,  Pretty much to be honestly with you I wanted to rip some pr0n sites like http://www.bestbosoms.com/ .   But not the whole site just the galleries I chose.  Hopefully I dont get shunned for being honest.05:45
contrast83Sivananda: Ahh, I see. My fault, I missed the name of the file earlier.05:45
contrast83m1ke: No shunning from me, although I'd say the mod's probably frown upon posting links to pr0n sites in here. ;-)05:46
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Sivanandacontrast83: no worries. It seems odd to me that the error message indicates a 'trimmed' version of what's actually present in the file. Perhaps a clue?05:46
contrast83m1ke: /join #contrast83 and i'll walk you through how i get that done05:46
Vuenjust get httrack. done.05:47
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CalicooCan someone help me with BusyBox and how to boot to the desktop?05:47
contrast83Sivananda: Maybe. I'm no expert though. My interest is piqued though.05:47
Dr_willisCalicoo,  why are you doing that with busybox?05:47
SivanandaANybody else report any issues with the latest dpkg perchance?05:48
CalicooDr. willis, I don't know. >.> I upgraded a couple days ago, then today I updated, rebooted, and it thrust me into BusyBox. I've never seen it before now.05:49
contrast83Calicoo: nVidia?05:49
CalicooYes.05:49
CalicooBut it was working fine all day yesterday. :/05:49
contrast83Calicoo: Do you get a chance to get to the GRUB menu before you get to BusyBox?05:50
CalicooIt was just after I updated that it did this.05:50
CalicooYes.05:50
Sivanandacontrast83: Anybody else report any issues with the latest dpkg perchance?05:50
DanaGGaah, I have to hit my brightness key 5 times before I reach the next brightness level.05:51
CalicooI've tried running an earlier kernal, but that didn't help.05:52
contrast83Calicoo: when you get to that menu, choose recovery mode, and once you get to a prompt, do "sudo apt-get reinstall linux-restricted-modules-generic-2.6.22-12 nvidia-glx" (or nvidia-glx-new/legacy depending on your card)05:52
Calicoo7800?05:52
contrast83nvidia-glx-new05:52
AishikoI can't use the nvidia drivers it causes a system crash when I do in usually 30 mins but some times as soon as 5 minutes and and hour or so on the outside05:53
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AishikoI have a 5500 and was using the new05:53
CalicooThanks. Here to hoping that solves the problem.05:55
CalicooHere's*05:55
SivanandaSO... nobody has any ideas on what might be causing this error when I attempt to run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' ==>> "05:57
Sivanandadpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0003' near line 2 package `libc6':05:57
Sivananda `triggers-pendi' is not allowed for third (status) word in `status' field05:57
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SivanandaWould it help if I pastebin a cat of the file mentioned?05:58
jewbileeI've read the restricted format thing for playing mp3's but still cant figure out how to go about using it05:58
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DanaGUpdated my bug description:05:58
DanaGbug 12183305:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12183305:59
KevlarSoulOkay I installed the Alternate CD without a hitch, or so the percentage bars and reboot prompt told me....when I rebooted, grub is fine, but then black screen...is there a way I can get into the terminal and update the installation?05:59
jewbileeCan someone help me install mp3 support really quickly?06:00
Dr_willisjewbilee,  for what program? it can depend. :)06:00
jewbileeAmarok06:00
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jewbileein gnome (i know its for kde)06:00
Dr_willisjewbilee,  normally theres just some specific packages ya need to install.  I thouhhg amarok asked to isntall the codecs the first time its ran/plays a mp306:00
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jewbileeyea06:00
jewbileebut that didnt work06:00
KevlarSoulIs there a way to get to terminal from the ALternate CD install screen, and get it to install the updates from online?06:01
Dr_willisI do think the #kubuntu homepage/faq states exctly what package to install for mp3 support in amarok.06:01
Dr_willisoops the "Kubuntu" homepage. :)06:01
Aishikoamarok is a lousy program same for rythm-box06:01
Dr_willisAishiko,  how insightfull...06:01
jewbileewhich do you recommend?06:01
DanaGThere's nothing quite so jarring as having your LCD go *BLINK*BLINK*BLINK* at you when you've left the laptop idle.06:01
Dr_willisIve been testing out the BMPx program lately myself.06:01
Dr_willis!info bmpx06:02
ubotubmpx: Beep Media Player eXperimental. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.40.0~rc3-1build1 (gutsy), package size 2999 kB, installed size 9264 kB06:02
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Aishikowillis to each their own, but those 2 are lousy, I rate them right there with m$ stuff06:03
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Dr_willischeck out http://www.songbirdnest.com/06:05
jewbileedespite your review of them being "lousy" i am still partial myself to Amarok06:05
jewbileeive gotten mp3 support for rhythmbox but for some reason Amarok still will not load them06:05
kingrayrayamarok needs the xine package for mp3 support iirc06:05
KevlarSoulOkay I installed the Alternate CD without a hitch, or so the percentage bars and reboot prompt told me....when I rebooted, grub is fine, but then black screen...is there a way I can get into the terminal and update the installation?06:06
bazhanghave to reboot new kernel, back soon (I hope)06:06
Dr_willisI got a list of my tunes.. i hit play... i minimize it.. :006:06
Dr_willisheh.06:06
Dr_willislet it run for days on end.06:06
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kingrayrayDr_willis: i use mpc, i dont even have anything minimized06:07
kingrayrayhooray for daemons06:07
vasuviKelvarSoul: Does the problem happen right away, after the kernel is loaded, or later, when X tries to load?06:07
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Dr_williskingrayray,  thats a tool i need to look into some time.06:08
contrast83kingrayray: Did you try installing kubuntu-restricted-extras ?06:08
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Dr_williskubuntu-restricted-extras is a top 10 - Installed as soon as ya get the system booted package. for me. :)06:09
Dr_willismaking a list of all the ones i always isntall.06:09
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KevlarSoulvasuvi right away...06:09
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CalicooI tried reinstall but it didn't recognize it, so I did install. It said it installed. I did startx and it gave me this error: Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible Nvidia driver not found) xinit: Connection to x server lost. FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/shar/fonts/x11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.06:09
KevlarSoulvasuvi I dont understand the alternate installation went "perfectly"06:10
KevlarSoulvasuvi and even though the screen is dark, i still hear the hard drive "working"06:10
bazhangjewbilee: did you get mp3s going yet?06:10
KevlarSoulIs there an issue with 64bit systems and 8800 GTX?06:11
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kingrayraycontrast83: i don't use kubuntu, i just remember toying with amarok earlier. i believe it's in a xine package though. i'll check06:11
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gibIs sis chipset support for ide broken?  I tried to install gutsy on an sis630e based system.  The live CD boots, when I try to install to install to the HD, I can't get past step seven, because the partitioner does not see any partions.  It tells me to pick a partition, but it doesn't show any to choose from.06:12
KevlarSoulvasuvi right away06:12
jewbileeI'm trying to remove Amarok for Add/Remove applications and whenever I click the check mark to uninstall it, it says that one or more application depends on it and that i need to use the Synaptic package manager to remove it but I thought I was, what do i do06:13
vasuviKevlarSoul: Sorry, was afk there06:13
gibI manually created the partitions with gparted, and retried, and it still doesn't show any, so I guessing the Gutsy kernel doesn't have drivers for sis hd controller in it for some reason.06:13
gibIt worked previously with Feisty.06:14
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vasuviKevlarSoul: Have you tried removing splash and silent from your boot options?06:14
KevlarSoulvasuvi no!06:14
KevlarSoulis that done with F6?06:14
vasuviKevlarSoul: Try that first; remove anything that implies splash, silent, or the like06:15
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KevlarSoulokay06:15
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Lilacorhmmm....don't run gutsy eh?06:15
vasuviKevlarSoul: Either at the grub prompt, press 'E' to edit, then edit it out at the line there06:15
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KevlarSoulahh okay off to try it then, thanks06:16
vasuviKevlarSoul: Or edit /boot/grub/menu.lst on your Ubuntu partition from another Linux distro or from a live CD06:16
gibIt runs the live cd, but won't install because it doesn't seem to see the HD.06:16
KevlarSoulahh okay06:16
vasuviKevlarSoul: (You'll have to be root or sudo to do the latter of course)06:16
KevlarSoulahh okay sudo06:16
CalicooCcontrast still in here?06:17
gibAnyone else using a mb with a sis 630e chipset?06:17
ximalhmm06:18
ximalscrew it06:18
ximalwhat could it hurt..06:18
ximali'm going to try and redo the partitions with an i386 cd06:18
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ximaland then TRY to update06:19
ximalwish me luck guys ... see you tomorrow sometime when i'm cursing gutsy ! lol06:19
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CalicooGood luck.06:19
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DanaGArgh, I hate how Virtualbox randomly aborts.06:20
vmlinuz`everytime i try to install a perl module, it gives an error. http://pastebin.com/m388db75606:21
kazmosikok i go to network tools06:22
vasuvisounds like a permissions problem; you probably have to do it as root (*cough*sudo su*cough*)06:22
hydrogendood06:23
hydrogenlurn2sudo06:23
kazmosikand in the device box i got ethernet interface (eth 0), eth0, and lo06:23
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CalicooI'd reinstall, but I'm afraid I won't be able to get on the internet if I do. When I first installed Feisty Fawn I had to download something (and I can't remember what it was) to get my card to be recognized.06:25
vmlinuz`same thing vasuvi06:25
m1kecontrast83, check out http://www.vowsoft.com/index.htm for picaloader06:25
vmlinuz`vasuvi: last few lines from doing it as root. http://pastebin.com/m6a3ca2e06:26
contrast83kingrayray: Yuck. But thanks anyway. :-)06:26
contrast83err, sorry. that was meant for m1ke06:26
kingrayraycontrast83: lol06:27
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bazhangjewbilee: you all sorted out now?06:27
kingrayraylmao06:27
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clustyj #bash06:27
vmlinuz`hydrogen: there check what happen when i do it with sudo http://pastebin.com/m6a3ca2e06:27
CalicooContrast, I tried reinstall but it didn't recognize it, so I did install. It said it installed. I did startx and it gave me this error: Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible Nvidia driver not found) xinit: Connection to x server lost. FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/shar/fonts/x11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.06:27
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m1kecontrast83, is that a bad app?06:27
vasuvivmlinuz`: hmm...06:28
DanaGGaack, I just got an oops in snd-emu10k1!06:28
contrast83m1ke: well, it only runs on a bad OS, so i'll never know. :-P06:28
DanaGAaaugh.06:28
contrast83Calicoo: ohh. well, what video driver *were* you using before?06:29
contrast83Calicoo: and did you reinstall linux-restricted-modules-generic-2.6.22-12?06:29
tekhawkanyone here willing to help a friend get his wirless working i don tknow anything about these on linux06:29
vasuvivmlinuz`: I know a bit of Perl, but am far from a Perl expert.  Not sure if that's a distro/packaging bug, and upstream bug, or user error at this point06:29
jewbileeHi, I just installed 7.10 on External USB Drive.  Whenever I boot the computer up, with the drive on, Grub loads fine and I can chose to boot Vista or Ubuntu.  If the USB drive is off though, I get a grub error 21 and have no choices to boot... I need to be able to boot with the USB Drive off as my computer is a laptop, any help?06:30
dmbi'm guessing 2.6.23 isn't going in the next version of ubuntu?06:30
contrast83jewbilee: Someone correct me if need be here, but I think you'll need to reinstall, and put GRUB on its own partition on the internal hard drive06:30
kingrayrayyeah, on the master boot record06:31
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jewbileeHow do I go about doing that?06:31
CalicooUm, I was using the one from the drop-down menu in the video card dialog box. I don't really remember what it was. I'm not being much help, eh.06:31
DanaGGot kernel panic?06:31
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DanaGI just did.06:31
jewbileeI was never given a choice as to how to put it onto its on partition06:31
vasuvijewbilee: You can probably just reinstall GRUB, without messing with everything else, if the problem is that GRUB is on the USB drive06:31
contrast83Calicoo: you choose "manual" at the partitioning step and set aside a partition for it06:32
jewbileeIm not sure where grub is, I mean, it still laods if the drive is off so I'm assuming its on my main HDD inside the laptop06:32
vmlinuz`vasuvi: how do i check if i already have a perl module installed or not?06:32
bazhangjewbilee: the external drive has to be on for the computer to recognize it at start up06:32
contrast83Calicoo: no problems. i would imagine it's the same as what i'm using (nvidia-glx-new), as i've got a 760006:32
CalicooContrast, jewbilee you mean?06:32
contrast83Calicoo: sorry06:32
contrast83man, i need sleep. heh06:33
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vasuvijewbilee: Try running sudo grub-install /dev/sda or sudo grub-install /dev/hda, depending on what your hard-drive is referred to as06:33
CalicooDon't let me keep you up.06:33
dmbi'm guessing 2.6.23 isn't going in the next version of ubuntu?06:33
jewbileebazhang: yes, the drive must be on or else my computer hangs at error 2106:33
jmgdmb: no, it will be in hardy06:33
SkinnyPuppy1334Anyone else running Gutsy have your VMware Server quit working since recent updates?06:33
vasuvivmlinuz`: perl -e 'use module_name_here'06:33
dmbok06:33
vmlinuz`vasuvi: thanks06:34
vasuvivmlinuz`: np06:34
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contrast83Calicoo: not at all. so were you able to reinstall the linux-restricted-modules package?06:34
CalicooI didn't try that. Brb.06:35
contrast83Calicoo: *actually*, nevermind all that. sorry, try just rebooting, and when you get to the grub menu, tell me how many kernel versions you see listed06:35
CalicooI think 3.06:36
Calicoo6 incl recovery.06:36
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contrast83Calicoo: try the one that's one less than the latest version. should be 2.6.22-12 iirc06:36
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CalicooI did before. It does the same as the latest. :/06:37
contrast83Calicoo: just goes to busybox?06:37
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cblack0can anyone tell me what the server metapackage is (in terms of the equiv of ubuntu-desktop). Is it just linux-image-server?06:38
jewbileevasuvi: im a little confused06:38
cblack0I am trying to "enserverize" a machine that was installed via the desktop isntall cd06:38
earlmredheh 2.6.23 is out.06:38
vasuvijewbilee: about what?06:38
earlmredguessing it's not making gutsy.06:38
jewbileevasuvi: that grub command you gave me06:38
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earlmredthinkpad-acpi: enable more hotkeys, add input device support to hotkey subdriver06:39
jewbileeim not sure what the path for that harddrive is06:39
jewbileehow do i find it out06:39
CalicooContrast: And then one before that it shows a login name prompt. I entered it then my password, but it didn't go any further than that and the screen went blank while it was asking me for my uname and pw. I ctrl+alt+backspaced and it came back on but would go out again.06:39
earlmreddamn.06:39
earlmredguess i'll have to compile myself if i want it06:39
contrast83hmm... i've got a thinkpad and *all* my hotkeys work.06:39
contrast83then again, that's not very many on this old r32. :-P06:39
vasuvijewbilee: Can you pastebin (i.e.: at http://www.pastebin.ca ) the result of running 'df -h' (assuming you're in Linux now)?06:39
jewbileeit says command not found06:40
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DanaGAnybody else having buggy brightness control?06:40
DanaGbug 12183306:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12183306:40
jewbileeoh wait06:41
jewbileehere we go06:41
vasuvijewbilee: Now that's very, very odd. df is standard on every single Linux distro I know of, and is certainly in Gutsy.  You are doing it from a terminal, right?06:41
jewbileehttp://www.pastebin.ca/73155706:41
vasuvijewbilee: heh, that's better ;)06:41
jewbileeive got it installed on my USB External06:41
contrast83DanaG: i was fortunate enough to miss that one.06:41
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contrast83DanaG: possible workaround - did you check in your bios to see if there are any options for setting the screen brightness from there?06:42
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vasuvijewbilee: Now check, in Nautilus, Konqueror, Dolphin, or whatever your favorite file manager is: is /dev/sda1 on your internal notebook drive or on your external drive?06:42
vasuvijewbilee: Make that /media/sda106:43
geniiJust did upgrade from Tribe4. Compiz was working under 2.6.22-11 but -14 seems to have messed it up again. Some issue with restricted drivers?06:43
genii(KDE 3.5.7)06:43
contrast83genii: card/rendering method?06:43
jewbileei dont know how to check that06:43
jewbileeno06:44
jewbileewait06:44
vasuvijewbilee: There's got to be some way to tell.  You put the files on your external drive yourself, presumably.  So you should be able to recognize some of them.06:44
Hobbseegenii: do you have the restricted modules installed?06:44
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jewbileeno, /media/sda1 is my Recovery partition from my manu.06:44
vasuvijewbilee: Ah, ok06:44
geniicontrast83: 7600 GT, rendering dunno06:44
jewbileesda2 is my VistaOS partition06:44
geniiHobbsee: Yes06:44
jewbileesda3 is my data partition06:45
jewbileeall of those are on one drive06:45
vasuvijewbilee: So all of /media/sda[x]  are on your laptop itself then, right?06:45
jewbileeyea06:45
jewbileethose i know for sure06:45
contrast83genii: i've got the 7600gs, i couldn't even do a normal boot. had to stop grub at the menu and tell it to load the older kernel. restricted-modules doesn't seem to be working with the latest one on nVidia.06:45
vasuvijewbilee: Then you naturally won't be able to boot without your external drive attached; you installed Linux (your / partition) on your external drive ;)06:46
jewbileethats what i wanted06:46
CalicooContrast and you others that helped: Thanks for the effort. I appreciate it immensely. It's kinda late here and I have school tomorrow. See ya later.06:46
jewbileebut the thing is06:46
jewbileewell06:46
jewbileecan i uninstall grub06:46
jewbileeand just boot from my external when i want to run ubuntu06:46
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jewbileethe problem is, when my external isnt connected, ill want to boot to windows, but i wont be able to because of this error06:46
vasuvijewbilee: Yeah, by overwriting grub with Vista's boot-loader (not sure exactly how to do that, ask on ##windows )06:47
DanaGThe thing is, the brightness control was fine until the kernel and HAL were changed.06:47
DanaGThen it broke.06:47
contrast83Calicoo: no problem. good luck.06:47
vasuvijewbilee: The question then is: will your BIOS allow you to boot to an external USB drive?06:47
vasuvijewbilee: (With mine, I just have to type F12 at the POST screen, for instance, and it will give me a menu)06:47
jewbileeyea06:48
jewbileei can hit esc06:48
geniicontrast83: Newest kernel booted fine. Video defaulted to vesa, 640x480. Used restricted manager to set up series 7 geforce tho it seems to think 256K is the ram whereas its 256Mb. Inserted proper VideoRam option in xorg06:48
jewbileeand chose what to boot from06:48
jewbileeand USB comes up06:48
jewbileeso thats not an issue06:48
vasuvijewbilee: oh, and now we know exactly where you want to install GRUB (on the boot sector of your external drive)06:48
jewbilee?06:48
vasuvijewbilee: so try running: sudo grub-install /dev/sdb06:48
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vasuviThat will install GRUB on your external drive, so when you hit Escape and boot from the USB drive, there will be something to boot from ;)06:49
vasuvi(sounds like it's on your internal drive now)06:49
geniicontrast83: compizz --replace, emerald --replace apparently successfully completed06:49
jewbileealright06:49
jewbileenow what06:49
contrast83genii: works now?06:49
vasuviDid it work?06:49
jewbileei think so?06:49
geniicontrast83: Not with compiz06:49
jewbileethere were no errors06:49
vasuvigood, so Part 1 of 2 is done06:50
geniicontrast83: No errors, just no effects,cube etc06:50
contrast83genii: titlebars still there?06:50
vasuvijewbilee: you might want to verify that by rebooting from the USB drive (with the Escape method) before wiping out the GRUB on your internal drive06:50
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geniicontrast83: Yup06:50
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jewbileeok06:50
jewbileewait06:50
vasuvijewbilee: Then ask the nice folks on ##windows how to reinstall the Vista boot-loader, and your should be all set06:51
jewbileeoh, nvm06:51
jewbileeok06:51
jewbileethanks06:51
contrast83genii: then most likely compiz *is* running06:51
jewbileeill be back in a bit hopefully if it works06:51
vasuviglad to help :)06:51
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geniicontrast83: Maybe i need to tweak something regarding DRI06:51
contrast83genii: do menus, tooltips, etc. fade in/out more smoothly?06:51
contrast83genii: shouldn't need to do any of that06:52
contrast83genii: pastebin your xorg.conf, will ya?06:52
geniicontrast83: hangon a bit :)06:52
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jimmacdonaldHow do I change themes in emerald?06:53
bazhangjimmacdonald: emerald-theme-manager06:53
jimmacdonaldgot that.. .I am emerald themer now... I can't see how to change the themes06:54
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jewbileevasuvi: I was not able to boot that way06:54
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geniibah DNS seems screwy tho i got here somehow06:54
jewbileegrub loaded, but when I chose Ubuntu, it stayed at grub and gave me an error06:54
earlmredjewbilee, what error06:55
bazhangjimmacdonald: I believe you need to download them, then through the manager switch them in; not sure about where they are on the internet--I just go with the default for now06:55
earlmredgenii, use opendns.06:55
jewbileei dont remember06:55
earlmredjewbilee, can't help you06:55
geniicontrast83: gimme a minute need to insert some root DNS servers06:55
Lilacorhow do I enable vmware paravirtual kernel support?06:55
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earlmredjewbilee, try update-grub i guess06:55
mzuverinkwhen opening firefox, the screen turns black temporarily when compiz is enabled, any way to fix that?06:55
geniiOK got it06:55
jewbileeearl: ill be right back with the error if it happens again06:56
geniicontrast83: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40127/06:56
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contrast83mzuverink: i'm 99% sure there's not.06:57
contrast83mzuverink: nvidia?06:57
mzuverinkcontrast83, intel06:57
mzuverinkcontrast83, damn ugly06:58
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mzuverinkcontrast83, actually, compiz setting clone output fixed it...06:58
contrast83genii: you should only use that VideoRam line if it's an integrated card. i know you said it's saying the wrong amount for your card, but there should be a better way around it than that.06:58
contrast83mzuverink: note taken. :-)06:59
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geniicontrast83: Interestingly I'm not using any resolutions currently in there but rather 1920x1440 actually, and specified my actual monitor (CRT) an IBM p20006:59
Lukemy girlfriend is running gutsy and every time she updates some packages (i'm not sure which) her X stops working because of sync/resolution problems. she's got a dell inspiron laptop w/ ati graphics07:00
Lukeanyone know of any fixes for this?07:00
earlmredLuke, keep a copy of her xorg.conf and copy it back after updates?07:00
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Lukeearlmred: I had her update with a backup and it didnt fix07:00
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Lukeearlmred: i'm not even sure it's overwriting07:01
jewbileeearl: I got the error.  Its Error 17: Cannont mount Selected Partition07:01
earlmredjewbilee, did you do update-grub ?07:01
jewbileeyes07:01
jewbileebefore i rebooted07:01
contrast83genii: Start out by running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and going through the steps there to make a real xorg.conf - that one you have now is just a failsafe one.07:02
earlmredjewbilee, you can boot in the older kernel, but not the newer one?07:02
geniicontrast83: Heh. OK, seeya in a few then07:02
jewbileenope07:02
jewbileeneither 14 nor 1207:02
jewbileenor any of my windows partitions07:02
earlmredjewbilee, how are you booting?07:03
jewbileeUSB Drive07:03
jewbileei installed ubuntu on my usb drive07:03
jewbileei have winodws on my main drive07:03
jewbileegrub overwrote my vista bootloader07:03
jewbileeand now if i dont have my usb drive on, i cant boot into windows becuase i get a grub error 2107:03
jewbileeand im trying to fix that07:03
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vasuvijewbilee: ok, I have an idea07:04
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jewbileeok07:04
earlmredjewbilee, grub is your primary boot loader?07:04
jewbileeapparently07:04
jewbileeif i boot from my main harddrive, not pressing any buttons07:04
jewbileegrub comes up07:04
contrast83vasuvi: can't he just reinstall, manually do the partitions and set /boot to be on its own partition on the internal drive?07:04
jewbileeboth ubuntu and windows work fine that way07:04
jewbileebut if my USB drive is off, grub gets error 21 and i cant boot at all07:05
earlmredsounds like your grub is pointing to the wrong /dev07:05
vasuviI wonder if GRUB thinks that (hd0) is your internal partition when you boot from the internal drive, but (hd0) is your external drive when you boot from it07:05
vasuvicontrast83: I don't think letting /boot be its own partition has anything to do with it07:05
jewbileei have no idea07:05
jewbileeall im trying to be able to do is boot vista by default07:05
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jewbileeand if i want to use ubuntu, then chose to boot from my USB and have that launch grub or ubuntu07:05
vasuvijewbilee: that's issue #2, we still have to get issue #1 first07:06
contrast83vasuvi: if the partition /boot is on is on a disconnected hard drive?07:06
jewbileeok07:06
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earlmredjewbilee, i'd start by booting off your vista cd, putting it's bootloader on, and then putting grub on over top of that from a livecd07:06
earlmredor press e in grub07:06
level1knetworkmanager is deleting mac addresses from knetworkmanagerrc07:06
earlmredand you can edit which devices it's pointing at07:06
level1like, there were there befor and now they are gone07:06
earlmredget the partition names from your usb boot07:07
vasuvicontrast83: actually, if /boot is on the *internal* drive that might solve it too, but that would involve not only a reinstall, but partitioning.  If he has Vista installed, I wouldn't want to risk it just to make booting slightly more convenient.07:07
earlmredjewbilee, http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/GRUB_error_17_after_kernel_update07:07
vasuvijewbilee: I'd fire up an editor for /boot/grub/menu.lst (with sudo of course), then add another couple stanzas07:08
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jewbileewhat do you mean add another couple stanzas07:08
vasuvijewbilee: another couple boot options07:08
Dr_willisa 'block' of  lines that define a menu entry. :)07:08
Dr_willisstanza/paragraph/block07:09
vasuvijewbilee: the same as the two normal Ubuntu boot options (normal and safe mode), but with one important difference07:09
jewbileeive got menu.lst opened with gedit07:09
vasuvijewbilee: change all occurances of "(hd0" to "(hd1" in the copy07:09
jewbileewhat do i need to do07:09
vasuvijewbilee: (don't change the originals yet, just in case!)07:10
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jewbileeok07:10
jewbileewhat should i do07:10
vasuviwant to pastbin your menu.lst?  I can make the changes for you if you want07:10
jewbileeyes07:10
jewbileeplease07:10
jewbileewhats the pastebin link again?07:10
vasuvihttp://pastebin.ca/07:10
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earlmredwww.rafb.net/paste07:10
earlmredboo canadian pastebin07:11
vasuviyeah, there are a lot of them ;)07:11
jewbileehttp://pastebin.ca/73157707:11
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earlmredthose root entries don't seem right07:12
earlmredhd(0,0) for vista ..07:12
earlmredhd(1,1) for ubuntu07:12
earlmreddo you have two separate drives?07:12
jewbileeyes07:12
jewbileeone interal07:12
jewbileewith vista07:12
jewbileeone external07:12
jewbileewith ubuntu07:12
earlmredoh.07:12
vasuviYou normally boot from the first option, right?07:12
KevlarSoulWhat is the command to start terminal?07:12
jewbileewell07:12
KevlarSoulafter Grub?07:12
jewbileebefore tonight07:12
jewbileei only had vista07:12
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jewbileebut yes, im using the 1st option, 14-generic07:13
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vasuviok, I changed it (added a couple more, actually)07:13
KevlarSoulWhat is the command to start terminal? after grub? I started the recovery version of the kernel, but I coudlnt get internet access that way when I tried to sudo apt-get update07:13
jewbileeok07:13
nemikso any huge problems with new kernel upgrade? safe to do?07:13
vasuviit's at http://pastebin.ca/73158007:13
KevlarSoulvasuvi07:14
earlmredlol nice, grub removed my entry for windows.07:14
earlmredbastard.07:14
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jewbileeis it safe to overwrite my current menu.lst?07:14
jewbileewith what you provided?07:14
vasuvijewbilee: just to make sure, you got the new one at http://pastebin.ca/731580 .  Anyway, be careful, with that one, the first two now *assume* that you're booting directly from the external07:14
jewbileeyea07:15
jewbileealright07:15
jewbileeso...07:15
vasuvijewbilee: So if you boot from your main hard drive, use the third07:15
jewbileewait07:15
jewbileethe 3rd is still ubuntu07:15
vasuvijewbilee: And yes, it should be safe; I did not remove any boot options, I merely added two more07:15
earlmredheh crap07:15
earlmredthis looks bad..07:15
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earlmred/dev/sda1               1         243     1951866   83  Linux07:15
earlmred/dev/sda2             244         486     1951897+  82  Linux swap / Solaris07:15
earlmred/dev/sda3   *         487       19330   151364430   83  Linux07:15
bazhangnemik: all went swimmingly, though I had to do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --install-recommended (something like that iirc) to get the kernel that was being held back--this is feeling more and more like a final release.07:15
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vasuvijewbilee: yes, the only difference between the first two and the second two are (hd0,1) instead of (hd1,1) ;)07:16
vasuvijewbilee: that's it07:16
jewbileewell what happens when my USB drive isnt plugged in?07:16
jewbileewill grub still work?07:16
KevlarSoulI can get the recovery kernel to load, and I can login, but I cant get it to upgrade07:16
KevlarSoulupdate07:16
nemikbazhang: nice. updating now07:16
earlmredwtfbbq...07:16
KevlarSoulWHen I do apt-get update, it doesnt read the internet07:16
earlmredNr AF  Hd Sec  Cyl  Hd Sec  Cyl     Start      Size ID07:16
earlmred 1 00   1   1    0 254  63  242         63    3903732 8307:16
earlmred 2 00   0   1  243 254  63  485    3903795    3903795 8207:16
earlmred 3 80   0   1  486 254  63 1023    7807590  302728860 8307:16
earlmred 4 00   0   0    0   0   0    0          0          0 0007:16
nemikso no 2.6.23 for sure this release? damn it was just done today07:16
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vasuvijewbilee: no, you're going to want to reinstall the Vista bootloader07:16
jewbileealright07:16
vasuvijewbilee: that's Part 207:16
jewbileeso07:16
bazhangnemik: let me know if you have any issues07:16
KevlarSoulhow do I get it to access the internet in recovery mode?07:16
earlmredKevlarSoul, you lost the internets?07:16
jewbileefor right now07:16
jewbileei need to reboot07:16
jewbileeboot from USB07:16
KevlarSoullol07:16
vasuviyup, see if that works07:17
jewbileeand use the 1st choice07:17
nemikbazhang: cool, gonna restart soon. thanks07:17
jewbileeto see if it work07:17
jewbileealright07:17
jewbileebrb07:17
vasuviyup07:17
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KevlarSoulthe sudo apt-get update tries to go to all the sites to get the update, but it wont access the internet07:17
KevlarSoulthrough recovery from Grub07:17
earlmredKevlarSoul, can you axs the internet period?07:17
KevlarSoulnot through recovery07:18
KevlarSoulit read the internet during alternate install just fine07:18
KevlarSoulalternate CD install07:18
KevlarSoulI tried to boot and got a blank screen after some text after Grub07:18
KevlarSoulSo I am trying to update it from command prompt07:19
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geniiOk, reconfigured xorg once more. conf now has proper monitor i'm actually using and default non-proprietary nv driver. Compiz still seems stubborn however.07:19
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jewbileevasuvi07:19
jewbileeyou're a godsend07:19
jewbileethat worked07:19
jewbileebooting from the USB drive07:19
KevlarSoulI cant even get terminal directly, I dont know how, I press the recovery kernel option07:19
KevlarSoulis that why internet doesnt work, because its the recovery kernel?07:20
MrKeuner_hi, I am trying to connect a pda (palm m100) to gutsy using irda connection. I can irdaping to the device and can dump the stuff using irdadump however, using gnome-pilot I could not setup the device. How can I find which /dev/it is using?07:20
vasuvijewbilee: glad it worked :)  heaven knows I've had to repair GRUB enough times ;)07:20
geniiThe new xorg.conf, for the interested http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40128/07:20
jewbileehaha07:20
jewbileealright07:20
jewbileeso is it safe to remove the options below that one?07:21
vasuviyes07:21
jewbileein /boot/grub/menu.lst?07:21
vasuviactually, leave the first two07:21
jewbilee?07:21
vasuvi(the second one is the recovery version of the first)07:21
jewbileeyea07:21
jewbileei know that07:21
jewbileebut i can remove the other 14's, the 12's, and the vistas?07:21
vasuvithen you know what it's safe to do ;)07:21
nemikbazhang: nice. update seems fine07:21
vasuvimight want to leave the Vista, but change it to (hd1,1), and remove the other Vista07:22
jewbileeok07:22
bazhangnemik: knock wood ;}07:22
jewbileepoop07:22
jewbileei already erased and saved07:22
bazhangor just remove Vista?07:22
vasuvino big deal07:22
jewbileeyea07:22
jewbileeso now07:22
vasuviyou're going to want to boot Vista from the internal hard drive anyway07:22
jewbileeall i need to do i reload the Vista bootloader from my Vista?07:22
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nemikbazhang: srsly though this late in the game, i've seen much worse ;)07:22
vasuvijewbilee: yup, sadly that I don't know how to do07:23
jewbileealright07:23
jewbileeim sure i can find someone to help me07:23
vasuvijewbilee: (if this were XP, I would, but not Vista...)07:23
bazhangnemik: seems pretty stable here; you?07:23
jewbileeI go to RIT so theres an endless supply of help07:23
jewbileethanks a lot vasuvi07:23
vasuvijewbilee: and just to be safe, try to do it with the USB drive unattached; you don't want it erasing the boot sector there too ;)  (not sure why it would, but this *is* Windows we're talking about)07:23
jewbileeyea07:23
jewbileethanks a lot07:23
jewbileei really appreciate it07:23
nemikbazhang: yea, it's great. though .12 was best for me. 13+ i started getting some random freezes. hope it goes away in .1407:24
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vasuvijewbilee: glad to help :)  pass it forward and all07:24
vasuvijewbilee: (I've certainly asked for help too!)07:24
bazhangnemik: same here with .1307:24
nemikbazhang: really? random freeze too? ok so i'm not alone. i hope this new one then took care of it07:24
KevlarSoulHow do I turn on internet access via terminal?07:27
bazhangnemik: sadly, yes; crazy-making with no clear cause (or at identifiable by me) though I suspect it was related to too much compiz-fusion madness..haha07:27
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ugaKevlarSoul: doing nothing, you can always do that07:27
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smacfarlwill 7.10 use the new 2.6.23 kernel?07:27
jewbileeuhhh vasuvi07:27
jewbileemore problems07:27
kingrayrayKevlarSoul: using wired ethernet?07:28
ugaKevlarSoul: if you mean start up networking just /etc/init.d/network start07:28
jewbileewhen i boot straight from my laptops HDD, its the same options as booting from my USB dirve... just Ubuntu 1407:28
smacfarli noticed it's only currently using 2.6.22-1407:28
KevlarSoulkingrayray yes07:28
kingrayrayKevlarSoul: uga had it right :-)07:28
KevlarSouluga i suppose, when I boot into terminal is that it?07:28
ugaKevlarSoul: yes07:28
ugakingrayray: decoding certain questions is hard...07:28
smacfarlis there a better place to ask the kernel question?07:29
KevlarSouluga then my sudo apt-get update can access the internet?07:29
nemiksmacfarl: i don't think this release will get the new kernel. i'm 90% sure07:29
ugaKevlarSoul: it should, yes07:29
vasuvijewbilee: hmm; which boot menu option are you using to boot straight from your laptop's HDD?07:29
jewbileeUbuntu kernel 2.6.22-14-generic07:30
vasuvijewbilee: oh, that's right, you erased the other options, right? ;)07:30
ugaKevlarSoul: that is, if the networking is properly configured and the router works as expected07:30
ugaanyway, I got to go, cya...07:30
jewbileeyea07:30
nemikbazhang: do your freezes also mostly happen when idling or during screensaver? i think all of mine have been like that07:30
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KevlarSouluga it worked fine during alternate CD install...so07:30
vasuvijewbilee: so unless you want to put back in the other options, now you *cannot* boot straight from the HDD until you reinstall the Vista boot loader07:30
vasuvijewbilee: (if you do want to put back in the other options, I'd be glad to help you again)07:31
smacfarlnemik: Is it because it's too new? Will we get it in an update after 7.10 or do we have to wait for like 8.04?07:31
jewbileewell, is there a way to reinstall the bootloader from vista?07:31
jewbileeespecially considering im on my external hdd?07:31
bazhangnemik: oddly enough, that was part of it (the idling I mean), and the other was when blogging, though the latter one is across all distros I use/have used of late.07:32
vasuvijewbilee: From Vista, you might be able to use EasyBCD07:32
jewbileeis that for *nix?07:32
vasuvijewbilee: (*might*; I'm not 100% sure)07:32
vasuvijewbilee: nope, Windows-only07:32
jewbileeyea, id need to put the Vista boot option back into the boot list07:32
vasuvijewbilee: ok, add this to your menu.lst and reboot from your HDD: http://pastebin.ca/73159507:33
jewbileealright ill see what i can do07:34
kingrayrayare pretty screenshots on topic? :-)07:34
vasuvijewbilee: actually, wait a sec07:34
jewbileehow much longer will you be online?07:34
jewbileeok07:34
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vasuvijewbilee: didn't you say the first partition was the recovery partition?07:35
jewbileeyea07:35
vasuvijewbilee: then try http://pastebin.ca/731596 instead ;)07:35
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kingrayrayhttp://kingrayray.wallooza.org/Screenshot-1.png :O07:35
vasuvijewbilee: I'll probably be on for another hour or so07:35
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jewbileealright07:36
jewbileeill see wha ti can do07:36
jewbileehopefully if i have any problems, they are quick and i can get bakc on07:36
jewbileebefore you leave07:36
vasuvikk, do you have an IRC client in Windows?  If not, I'd recommmend either using Pidgen or HydraIRC07:36
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jewbileei can get one07:36
jewbileeive used them in the past07:36
vasuvicool, just in case you need help while you're in there07:37
jewbileealright07:37
jewbileethanks07:37
jewbileeill see what happens07:37
vasuvigood luck!07:37
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kingrayrayhehe07:42
kingrayrayi like desktop plane personally07:42
kingrayraygenii: did you see my screenshot :-)07:42
geniino, just got here :)07:42
z0rkingrayray: looks nice. Did you make the background?07:42
kingrayrayz0r: no, found it on gnome look07:42
kingrayraygenii: http://kingrayray.wallooza.org/Screenshot-1.png07:43
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nemikkingrayray: massiv in mensch, nice07:43
z0rand is that pigin?07:43
kingrayrayyes07:43
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z0rgroovy07:43
kingrayraywerd07:43
kingrayrayall thats missing is awm07:43
kingrayraybut i will probably set it up tomorrow07:43
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jewbileevasuvi: everything works perfectly07:46
vasuvijewbilee: great!  what did you do?07:47
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jewbileei can boot normally if my external is on/off plugged in/out  and ubuntu boots fine from booting from USB07:47
jewbileefollowed your instructions with grub07:47
jewbileebooted to windows07:47
jewbileeinstalled EasyBCD07:47
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jewbileereinstalled the Vista MBR with one button push07:47
jewbileeand violah07:47
vasuvijewbilee: great :D07:47
jewbileeeverything works07:47
jewbileethanks a lot07:47
fangoriousI have an ext2 partition I'm trying to set as mounted to /media/shared, but the partition step of the installer says "incompatible feature enabled"07:47
vasuvijewbilee: no problem :)07:48
fangoriousI know I can use tune2fs but I don't know what feature to disable07:48
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Dr_willisfangorious,  just leave it unmounted.. edit fstab after you install perhaps.07:49
Dr_willisI cant think of what  "incompatible feature enabled would be for a ext207:49
fangoriousDr_willis: tried that, didn't help07:49
Dr_willisUnless its some oddly laid out drive/partition setup07:49
fangoriousDr_willis: pretty sure I made it with parted during the feisty install07:50
fangoriouscurrent enabled features are "ext_attr resize_inode dir_index filetype sparse_super"07:50
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Dr_willisyou dident specificy any specific features? how are you seeing what ones are set?07:51
fangorioustune2fs -l07:51
fangoriousI only know about that from trying to figure out this error07:51
Dr_willisHmm Try making it a ext3 filesystem seeif that works?07:52
fangoriousI tried setting it to ext3 in the installer and it insists on formatting if I do that07:53
fangoriouscan i just change the partition type with parted from a terminal, without formatting?07:53
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databuddymeh07:54
databuddyok so this great bug i got07:54
databuddywhen im on login screen and i go to console and back i never get video again07:54
databuddytried unloading/reloading several modules... to no avail07:55
Dr_willisAnd why not format it?07:55
databuddyusing intel/i810/vesa drivers -- gma 30007:55
databuddy3000 **07:55
fangoriousDr_willis: it has my home directory backups, and all my ripped CDs07:55
databuddyfangorious: for the record u could boot to live cd install k3b and start backing up07:55
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databuddygot / and /home in one partition?07:56
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fangoriousdatabuddy: i could, but i shouldn't have to, it's a regular ext2 partition and shouldn't be giving the installer any trouble07:56
databuddyanother thing u can do is boot > live > delete all dir under / except /home and do install without formatting07:56
databuddyfangorious: is /home seprate?07:56
databuddyseperate07:56
Dr_willisfangorious,  Somthing seems VERY odd here. ive had my /home on a 2nd hd befor. I just dont tell the instller to touch it at all. no mounting, no nothing. :) then after i boot. I just edit the fstab to mount it to /home07:56
fangoriousdatabuddy: no, one partition07:57
databuddyDr_willis: i tell it to mount properly etc07:57
Dr_willisfangorious,  ahh.. now things are starting to make more sence.07:57
databuddyworx fine07:57
databuddyfangorious: describe your partitions real quick plz07:57
Dr_willisYou have a installed system. 1 partition for / ,   and a swap. you want to keep the data in /home safe. but reinstall the os?07:57
databuddyfangorious: describe your partitions real quick plz07:58
fangoriousDr_willis: sda1 - ntfs, sda2 - ext2, logical with sda5 - swap, sda6 -ext307:58
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fangorioussda2 is the problem one07:58
Dr_willissudo fdisk -l > to a pastebin. Might be easier. :) heh..07:58
databuddyno not for me07:58
databuddyim in console mode for a bit07:58
databuddyfor instance:07:58
Dr_willisi gotta find that pastebin console command some day. :)07:58
fangoriousDr_willis: sda6 is /, and I leave /home under that, sda2 is /media/shared07:59
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databuddyswap=2gb root=6gb home=160gb spare=20gb || root=10gb spare=20gb spare=20gb rest=media07:59
databuddythats me over two hdd's07:59
databuddywell technically i have /boot on a flash but w/e08:00
fangoriouswell, fdisk -l says sda2 doesn't end on a cylinder boundary. i supposed that could be it. terrible error message if that is the cause08:00
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Dr_willisI find it best to keep patitions simple. :)08:01
Dr_willis fought with them many a time in the past.08:01
fangoriousso if I resize in parted, should parted resize it to a cylinder boundary?08:02
Dr_willisid think it would.08:02
Dr_williswell its 2 am here. Night all.08:04
fangoriousman, linux seems so picky about this. feels like i have problems with partioning with every release, of every distro, for like the last 3 years08:04
fangoriousthanks08:04
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Dr_willisif you do NOT have /home on its own partition that may be a big issue.  i belive the instsaller will try (demand) to reformat whatever partition you set / to be.08:05
barryg12whats wrong with Gutsy?!08:05
Dr_willisbarryg12,  working for me here. :)08:05
Dr_willis140 mb of updates gettting isntalled however right now08:05
fangoriousi'm not trying to preserve /home, I backed it up to the /dev/sda2 partition so I can just format / (/dev/sda6)08:06
Dr_williswell good luck. Its bed time here.08:06
barryg12Dr_willis i am glad its working for you. a lot of update download though!08:07
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barryg12and how often are the update? copious amounts on a daily basis lol08:07
mzuverinkwhat package do i need to get music preview on mouse hover?08:08
kingrayrayi am listening to a band called Run Level Zero08:09
kingrayrayis it just me, or is that a subtle *nix reference? ;)08:09
jmgheh08:09
jmgbut are they creative commons licensed? :)08:09
kingrayraynah..08:09
kingrayraybut they are good, i dont mind giving them money08:09
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DShepherdbarryg12, mpg123 and ogg123?08:10
DShepherdoops08:10
barryg12lol08:11
DShepherdmzuverink, ^08:11
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mzuverinkDShepherd, that didnt do it, I had already installed them and thought that the packages changed since they did not work08:12
DShepherdmzuverink, i dont know then08:12
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KevlarSoulhow can I update my nvidia driver without access tot he internet08:19
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KevlarSoulrun as root means what?08:24
KevlarSoul"run as root"08:24
kingrayrayKevlarSoul: sudo08:24
KevlarSoulfrom the root directory?08:24
KevlarSouloh just sudo in front?08:24
kingrayrayyea08:24
KevlarSoulokay08:24
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dougbis there a place to download nightly builds of gusty?08:35
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dougbor is the beta the most recent ISO they have?08:36
hetaumagutsy comes only out during the day08:36
hetaumathere are daily builds08:36
dougbwell i mean like an ISO for the most recent updates in the past few days08:36
hetaumahttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/08:36
dougbthanks08:37
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contrast83Has anyone here used xcompmgr? I'm just running it for the first time under Gutsy and it appears to be working ok, except it rapidly spits this from the terminal - error 182 request 155 minor 8 serial 46605 (that error started at "serial 46605"). Is this normal?09:06
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RAOFcontrast83: Well, xcompmgr always was a bit of a tech-preview.09:11
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erichjmoo09:11
contrast83RAOF: Ok, thanks. That's comforting, I suppose.09:11
SuperLagSo... why won't the Nvidia drivers *KEEP* the @#$$@#$#@#$@ configuration?09:12
RAOFIf it's running alright, there's nothing much more to do.09:12
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contrast83Cool, thanks for the info.09:13
contrast83SuperLag: Are you using nvidia-settings?09:13
contrast83or nvidia-xconfig?09:13
SuperLagcontrast83: I was using nvidia-xconfig, at first09:13
contrast83SuperLag: Then what?09:14
SuperLagthen GDM would come up and whatever the built-in tool was that would tell me that my screen needed configured09:14
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SuperLagOh... so nvidia-settings tells me I'm not running the Nvidia X driver.09:15
SuperLag#@$$@#$#@09:15
contrast83SuperLag: Because you're not. I'm pretty sure the new XConfig tool in Gutsy falls back to vesa (or possibly nv in your case?) whenever there's a problem.09:15
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SuperLagcontrast83: but I've got the latest Nvidia driver installed09:16
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SuperLagand nvidia module is loaded09:16
contrast83That doesn't mean X is configured to use it.09:16
SuperLagnvidia is the driver listed in xorg.conf09:16
contrast83Ohh. Heh, well ok.09:16
contrast83Sorry. :-)09:16
SuperQlol@topic09:17
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RAOFSuperLag: You *sure* that the *correct* nvidia module is loaded?  There's recently been breakage in the getting the right module loaded front.09:18
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SuperLagoracle@beo1209 ~ $ lsmod | grep nvidia09:19
SuperLagnvidia               3932108  009:19
contrast83Yeah, I had to choose the older kernel (2.6.22-12) when booting up. -13 just took me to a blank screen, and this is on my nVidia box.09:19
erichjcontrast83, what about -14?09:20
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SuperLagRAOF: Now... whether that's the correct module or not, I'm not sure.09:20
SuperLagRAOF: but I know it's not nv09:20
DanaGOdd: Mouse wheel on desktop stops at desktops 1 and 4.09:20
RAOFThis is true.  What driver do you have installed (nvidia-glx, -legacy, or -new)?09:21
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contrast83Haven't tried that one very recently. Tried earlier today and got the aforementioned problem, but I know there've been updates since then, so I'm not sure.09:21
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SuperLagRAOF: -new09:21
penguincentraljust got 30 updates now.  there is a kernel update, some x updates and an update to nvidia-glx-new driver.09:22
RAOFSuperLag: Then that's the wrong module; you need to have nvidia_new loaded.09:22
RAOFSuperLag: The simplest way would be to update to the latest linux-restricted-modules, where this is already fixed.09:23
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DanaGHow do you get mouse wheel on desktop to switch viewports and actually wrap?09:25
SuperLagRAOF: done. And what about in xorg.conf ? should it be Driver "nvidia" or "nvidia_new" ?09:25
RAOFSuperLag: No, nvidia in xorg.conf.09:26
erichjx300 is integrated isn't it?09:26
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DanaGOh, "Previous", not "Left".09:26
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DanaGOh, and why is the 'scale' animation so ridiculously bouncy?09:30
SuperLagnope09:31
SuperLagdoes not work09:31
erichjbecause....it's window bounce09:31
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SuperLagRAOF: I updated to the latest linux-restricted-modules, but no dice09:31
DanaGSince when do windows bounce?  Try to bounce glass, and see how far you get....09:31
DanaG(Joke.)09:32
Seeker`hmm, why doesn't apt-get autocomplete package names any more?09:32
RAOFSuperLag: So, you've got all the latest kernels/l-r-m.  Manually insmod /lib/modules/2....-14-generic/volatile/nvidia_new.ko & try again?09:33
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Ademanhey i know this is slightly offtopic but with shipit (for gutsy) i have the option of getting 10 CDs or 2 cds (or 1) and i was thinking i'd probably only be able to get rid of around 5, am i really expected to get rid of all of them?09:34
awalton__drop them off in your local supermarket09:35
Hobbseeyou cant ask them for just 5 then?09:35
AdemanHobbsee: no lol, i don't know why there's no option to get 5, but there isn't...09:35
Hobbseeodd09:36
Hobbseemight be worth emailing them and asking them to add the option09:36
Ademanawalton__: how would you go about doing that? i mean, so that people would notice them and whatnot?09:36
awalton__sure09:36
awalton__or put them on the shelf at your electronics store, or whatever.09:36
awalton__just spread the word.09:36
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awalton__neighbor's mailboxes work well too09:37
Ademanah, true09:37
Ademani wonder if i could even give a few out at my school09:37
Ademanalthough i'd only have 3 for that purpose, which would suck09:37
awalton__*shrug* doesn't matter, 3 is 3 more that wouldn't be out there if you didn't put them out there09:38
Ademanyeah09:38
Ademani guess i'll go with 10 and get rid of them in any way i can lol09:38
RAOFWhere do you order the cds, anyway?09:38
Ademanoh, and i can keep one for myself right? lol09:38
awalton__shipit.ubuntu.com iirc09:39
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awalton__yeah sure.09:39
Ademancool, i've never had a printed ubuntu CD before09:39
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Ademani wish ubuntu didn't sound so awkward in english, that'd make getting rid of them easier...09:40
awalton__heh, I've always loved the name "ubuntu", more so than "debian" or "fedora" (which I totally thought was a made-up name until I read some weird book)09:42
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Ademanlol RFC114909:42
RAOFawalton__: "Fedora"?  You've led a sheltered life :P09:42
awalton__hah.09:43
awalton__it doesn't sound like a real word when you think it09:43
awalton__and then you're like "oh, red hat, I get it"09:43
bazhangit an odd word.09:43
bazhangis09:43
AdemanRAOF: actually i think it's more of an age thing, i didn't know what a fedora was until i saw some older movies lol09:43
RAOFAdeman: I prescribe Raymond Chandler!09:43
Ademani like the way debian sounds, moreso than ubuntu and linux, i pronounce linux lihnucks or linnix in publick just because leenucks sounds so strange to me09:44
Ademanlol public*09:44
Ademananywho i think i've steered us far enough off topic09:45
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awalton__haha. I don't think I've ever pronounced "linux" or "ubuntu" in the "correct" way. to me it's tomato-tomato, you're describing the same thing either way.09:46
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Ademanyay 10 cds on their way... in  4 to 6 weeks lol09:47
Ademanheh, well i guess they won't even be on their way until gutsy is released09:48
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bazhangkind of a nifty feature; if you are using Amarok, then you can put /media in the text entry field and it will say: so and so is listening to .....09:50
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Ademanbazhang: in x-chat?09:50
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bazhangAdeman: try it.09:54
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jscinozi just realised something09:56
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jscinozAvant Window Navigator + Gimme = ultimate launcher/panel/systray09:57
erichji call it linnucks just to spite richard stallman09:58
Ademani was never very impressed with gimmie09:58
jscinozWhy not? i love it over the normal menu09:58
awalton__that I can agree with09:58
jscinozthe integration with pidgin is also awesome09:58
Ademanbut to be fair it's been months since i last tried it09:58
awalton__but gimmie still isn't my cup of tea.09:58
erichjgimme seems annoying. and i never liked how it opens a window in the window list09:58
jscinozits in the official repos now09:58
jscinozyeah hopefully that will be fixed soon09:59
jscinozbut just imagine AWN with gimme's functionality09:59
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erichji wish deluge was integrated into gimmie. then it would be worth using09:59
jscinozwait there was a mockup of it somewhere...09:59
Ademancan't you just like set a certain window hint and it won't show up in the window list?09:59
iuhello everyone09:59
bazhanghi10:00
jscinozprobably Ademan10:00
iui tried to use the Restricted Drivers auto install feature10:00
iubut it didnt work10:00
erichjAdeman, even so...that is something a dev should think about10:00
bazhangit didn't work?10:00
jscinozawn + gimme would end up something like this http://awn.wetpaint.com/page/Make+Topaz+Ideas+a+Reality?t=anon10:00
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bazhangiu: which card10:01
iuyeah it complained about root access10:01
iui tried to locate kdesu but no luck10:01
jscinozI wish awn was in the official repos10:02
Jordan_UIs it normal for X to be running on vt10 ?10:02
bazhangiu: do you have restricted-manager-kde installed?10:02
iuhow do i check if its installed or not?10:02
contrast83jscinoz: It will be in Hardy, I believe. I might just be thinking of Kiba-Dock though.10:03
bazhangthe gui way is to look in Adept and it will say if it10:03
jscinozi think Kiba is already in. let me check10:03
bazhangis installed, sorry about the page break10:03
jscinozoh wait it isnt10:03
jscinozcan devs add new packages to repos between releases? or do they  have to wait the 6months for a new release10:04
iuk checking Adept10:04
iuyep it is10:04
iucore and kde10:04
iubut it says it needs upgrading10:04
awalton__I'm pretty sure gutsy is frozen, which means no new packages10:04
iu7.10 is gutsy?10:05
awalton__yes10:05
bazhangiu: then upgrade, then go to system settings, yes its gutsy10:05
iui have like 600 packages to be updated lol10:05
jscinozbut i mean as a a general rule, say in december could a dev add a new package to an already going distro10:05
awalton__no10:05
Ademanjscinoz: you can't just ad packages, but you can get them into the next release (and people could use them through backports)10:05
bazhangwow10:05
awalton__as a general rule they wouldn't.10:05
iuok upgrading now! /duck10:05
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jscinozah10:05
iui see kernel headers to be updated too, is that safe?10:05
awalton__yeah10:06
bazhangshould be10:06
Jordan_UIs it normal for X to be running on vt10 ?10:06
iuhow good is WINE on gutsy?10:06
jscinozhmm i just found that falcon repo generator, im going to make a repo of a few closed source debs i made, savage and enemyterritory... :)10:06
awalton__works better than feisty-wine.10:06
bazhanghaven't tried it10:06
iuneat!10:06
awalton__but, it's still wine.10:06
Ademaniu: doesn't matter, use the wine repository to get updates10:06
iuis there a need to re-compile the kernel?10:07
awalton__generally, no.10:07
iuis it optimized for a certain cpu?10:07
awalton__not really10:07
Ademaniu: i've never had to recompile it, that's sorta the beauty of the module system10:07
iuyep it is10:08
awalton__if tha'ts a problem for you, go ahead and rebuild, but it's not "necessary".10:08
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Jordan_U!generic | iu10:08
ubotuiu: Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)10:08
iui think im switching to this desktop permenatly :)10:08
iuthanks10:08
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AdemanJordan_U: whoa there's no smp anymore?10:08
awalton__aren't they all SMP kernels now?10:09
jscinozcontrast83, i gotta get some webhosting first :)10:09
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crdlbAdeman, smp is included in generic10:09
Jordan_UAdeman, -generic is SMP10:09
awalton__yeah I thought so.10:09
crdlbthat's why 386 exists10:09
jscinozhmm is it proper to have game data in /usr/share/games or /usr/lib/games?10:09
Ademanjscinoz: never in /usr/lib10:09
iumost modern cpus come in cores now :)10:09
awalton__try to go with /share/10:09
awalton__lib should be limited to libs and libs alone10:09
Ademanjscinoz: well, unless it's like game related executable stuff, like shared objects and such10:09
jscinozhmm10:10
awalton__and only libs shipped with ubuntu, there's /usr/local/lib for yours.10:10
jscinozalrighty10:10
jscinozgoing to go remake the savage deb10:10
Ademanjscinoz: is this a particular game that installed stuff to /usr/lib/games? or are you writing your own?10:10
Ademanah10:10
iuFirefox included in the packages?10:10
crdlberr since it's a package, I'd say /usr is fine10:10
awalton__firefox is the default browser iu10:11
Ademanyeah definitely /usr/local is more for stuff installed from source or from other package managers10:11
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jscinozits annoying, savage decides it'll only use ~/.savage half of the time, so i have to have its game dir world-writable for it to work >_<10:11
jscinozand since its closed source i cant fix it10:11
iudefault? you mean Konqurer?10:11
Ademanjscinoz: in fact, there's a filesystem hierarchy standard, one sec i'll fetch it10:11
jscinozfound it10:11
jscinoz"man hier"10:11
awalton__ah, you're using kubuntu, no clue about that10:11
Ademanhttp://www.pathname.com/fhs/10:11
awalton__but it's default under ubuntu10:11
jscinozis the hireacy shown in "man hier" also correct?10:12
iuyeah i thought it was the default for ubuntu10:12
Ademanjscinoz: no idea, one sec10:12
Ademanjscinoz: whoa!10:12
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Ademanlol10:12
Ademanindeed10:12
SoulChildhi all10:12
jscinozhmm?10:12
Jordan_UIs it normal for X to be running on vt10 ?10:12
SoulChilddoes the vga parameter in /boot/grub/menu.lst still work for anyone of you ???10:13
SoulChildJordan_U: no, usally tty710:13
AdemanJordan_U: not normal ,pretty sure it defaults to 6 or 7 (forgot if it starts at 0 or 1)10:13
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jscinozstarts at 1 ademan10:13
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Jordan_USoulChild, Ademan And this hasn't changed in Gutsy?10:13
jscinozdefault tty7 for X10:13
AdemanJordan_U: i actually don't know10:13
iuwill it be easy to upgrade from Beta to Release later on?10:13
jscinozi'm running gutsy, X is on tt710:13
Ademanbut i doubt it, it's remained the same for the 3 releases i've been around for10:14
Jordan_Uiu, Just keep up to date10:14
jscinozi really hope i dont need to do a clean install for the final release10:14
iuon it :)10:14
Ademanjscinoz: i'm gonna do a clean install and have two partitions /  and /home that way if need be doing a clean install in the future is totally not an issue10:14
jscinozi already have separate / and /home parts10:14
Ademani'd set it up to use lvm too, but i get the impression that's a pain to do10:14
jscinozby the way...10:15
Ademanjscinoz: i wasn't that smart the first 3 times around :-p10:15
awalton__I wish the ubuntu partitioner did that by default, but it doesn't, alas.10:15
jscinozwhen i set up Ubuntu i was told i should have a separate /boot partition? is that correct?10:15
Ademanjscinoz: not really... unless you're using some wierd filesystem for /10:15
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Ademanjscinoz: OH! actually it may be if someone removes ubuntu that way their grub will remain intact10:16
Ademanthat happened to my friend10:16
Crozarafter my update my laptop screen is not full anymore and my gfx card is nvidia but it reads as versa10:16
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Ademanwhere he trashed grub because he removed ubuntu10:16
Jordan_UWTF? Now it's on tty 910:16
awalton__mmm dancing ttys10:16
AdemanJordan_U: haha, musical ttys10:16
Crozari just updated the 55updates release today10:16
jscinozademan, i guess i'll leave boot separate for now10:16
Jordan_UCrozar, Have you enabled the nvidia drivers in Restricted Manger?10:17
jscinozyay my connection is actually getting 1+mbps for once10:17
awalton__hah, x is on tty9 for me too10:17
iu321 updates pending.....10:17
jscinozwhen im supposed to get 24mbit, gotta love australian internet10:17
CrozarJordan_U: You need to install the package10:17
Crozar  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic10:17
Crozarfor this program to work.10:17
Jordan_UCrozar, Let it install it10:18
Crozari canat go inside restricted mqanager10:18
Jordan_UCrozar, sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic10:18
jscinoz>_< i broke awn, segfaults on startup10:18
awalton__broke it how?10:19
Crozari did10:19
Crozarsame problem10:19
jscinozi dont know, last boot it worked, now it doesnt >_<10:19
awalton__compositor running?10:19
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Crozari shouldnt have updated  , gutsy was running fine , but btw now it runs faster =p10:19
Crozarya it wasnt for me until it fl icked couple of time again and again then it worked on small screen tho10:20
Crozarim on a 17 inch laptop10:20
Jordan_UCrozar, You should have linux-restricted-modules-generic installed, I don't know why it isn't10:20
Crozarit was installe10:20
Crozarhmm ? want me to change my xorg.conf and edit to n vidia then restart?10:20
awalton__was it updated or held back?10:20
jscinozwho wanted a link to that repo im making? it should be up in the next 30mins.10:21
Jordan_UCrozar, No, use restricted manager10:21
Crozari will try to restart again10:21
Crozarbrb10:21
Jordan_UCrozar, If it still gives that error even when you have linux-restricted-modules-generic installed, file a bug10:21
iuthe Restricted manager in the stock ISO is bugged?10:21
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tgpfarmanyone happen to be here?10:22
Jordan_Utgpfarm, no10:22
SlimeyPeteno10:22
jscinozgah my interwebs is fail at the moment10:22
tgpfarmok dumb question10:22
tgpfarmanother dumb question, anyone get wow to work on gutsy?10:23
scoobydoo28139? i am upgrading, is there a way to get it to read cd instead of downloading updates?10:23
Jordan_Uscoobydoo28139, Only with the alternate install CD10:23
iuKDE in 4.0 beta now?10:24
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tgpfarmscoobydoo28139: the cd is what you installed, how would you get updates from the cd you installed from10:24
scoobydoo28139jordan_U: oooh ok10:24
tgpfarmso no one has WoW running in gutsy?10:24
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awalton__sorry, not a wow-fan, but wine works pretty well for me10:24
tgpfarmyeah everything else i do in wine is working for me10:25
scoobydoo28139non o tgpfarm: i am using 7.04 but i have 7.10 on cd10:25
iui need wine to get my scanner working10:25
tgpfarmi am just getting a dual-tmu error with WoW10:25
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m1lkc0wGood morning10:26
m1lkc0wI have some issues with the aspell packages on Gutsy Gibbon. An automatic update failed and ever since, post-installation of packages complains about issues with aspell. Reinstalling aspell via Synaptic didn't work either (same error)10:26
awalton__have you tried removing it and reinstalling it?10:26
iuanyone knows any Nintendo emulator running under Linux?10:26
m1lkc0wawalton__: Yes, via Synaptic. But it doens't let me due to its dependencies.10:27
m1lkc0wawalton__: Reinstalling via Synaptic didn't work10:27
awalton__what does the error say precisely about the dependencies, one of them broken?10:27
hangthedjnestra10:28
hangthedjkfceu10:28
hangthedjis really nice10:28
hangthedjfront end for fceu10:28
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m1lkc0wawalton__: The dependencies seem correct. It's the aspell's post-install that fails with "/bin/sh: Can't open aspell-autobuildhash"10:29
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m1lkc0wawalton__: And it's been like that for a while now; ~10 days10:30
awalton__wow, that's a long time to go with an unresolved bug like that..10:30
m1lkc0wawalton__: That's why I am assuming that I am likely the only one to experience the problem10:31
awalton__it definitely sounds unique10:31
awalton__have you filed a bug report on Launchpad?10:31
m1lkc0wawalton__: I would like to try to reinstalling it first10:31
awalton__reasonable.10:31
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awalton__sudo apt-get remove aspell, let it run, then sudo apt-get install aspell10:32
m1lkc0wawalton__: How would I go about deinstalling and reinstalling it completely? I am a long time FreeBSD user where I would know how to do it. However, I am new to Ubuntu and apt10:32
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awalton__;)10:32
iuKonquerer is actually Firefox under Kubuntu?10:32
m1lkc0wiu: Now. It's KDE's integrated file and web browser (and much more)10:33
iuahhh10:33
iubut i can still replce it with Firefox, as a web browser?10:33
awalton__sure10:33
iuty :)10:33
m1lkc0wiu: Whichever you like better or works better for you10:33
iutrue true10:34
awalton__*tear* Konq is my favorite part about KDE, wish I could have a khtml/webkit browser under Ubuntu but ephy-webkit just isn't there yet..10:34
jmgdoes konq have webkit yet?10:35
awalton__targeting 4.0 IIRC10:35
awalton__they're completely replacing khtml with webkit, so it'll be automatic in konq10:35
m1lkc0wawalton__: Removing aspell with apt also wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, due to dependencies...10:35
awalton__that's usually fine, ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage.. if it causes problems you can reinstall it later, no harm done10:36
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ximalwell i'm back... unhappily.. how was everyone while i was gone ?10:41
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ximalanyone here mind helping me troubleshoot getting my sound to work ? i just reinstalled after having a near perfect working edition thinking i didn't need amd 64 bit...10:42
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reversebladeI cannot access to the appearances tab10:43
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ximalhey vuen10:46
ximalyou got a few minutes ?10:47
ximali just got back from a horrible reformatting/trying to change to i386 experience10:47
reversebladeI swear next time I'll go LFS10:48
Seeker`lo ximal10:50
ximalhelllp ! lol10:51
Seeker`any clues as to why it isn't working?10:51
ximali dunno about sound..10:51
ximali got a few ideas on how to make it work10:51
jscinozwhat is permission mask 644? rw r r?10:53
awalton__the UNIX file system is quite a bit different than the Windows filesystem10:54
awalton__permissions are how you can set/change what users can modify which files10:54
jscinozI know that..10:54
ximalrw meand read and write10:54
awalton__oh, so you just want to know that mask?10:54
jscinozi'm just asking is 644, owner:RW, group:R, other:R?10:54
m1lkc0wjscinoz: Yes rw for owner, read for group and other10:54
jscinozalright thanky10:54
jscinozyes10:55
awalton__hah, beaten.10:55
ximalanyone mind hekping with sound please ???10:55
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awalton__still won't go eh?10:56
awalton__and sorry ximal, sound is not in my domain10:56
m1lkc0wawalton__: Nope. I believe the problem is due to the German-ALT dictionary.10:56
awalton__that's definitely something you should report at this point, perhaps one of the aspell devs can help10:57
awalton__you're not running an alternative shell are you?10:57
m1lkc0wawalton__: No10:58
awalton__just checking10:58
m1lkc0wawalton__: Any idea is welcome ;-)10:58
awalton__things went really bonkers for me when ubuntu switched from bash to dash, loads of things broke..10:58
ximalis there any kind of prob i can do to see why my sound isn't working guys ?10:58
awalton__ximal: tried lsmod yet?10:59
jscinozgah10:59
awalton__see if the sound module is even loaded?10:59
jscinozhey guys, im trying to run a program which requires python2.4 rather than 2.5 what env variable do i need to set for it to work?10:59
ximalno10:59
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jscinoznevermind10:59
ximalleme try now10:59
ximalhow do i know if it's loaded ?11:00
ximalwhat am i looking for ?11:00
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awalton__lsmod | grep snd11:00
awalton__you should see a lot of modules like soundcore, snd_seq, etc.11:00
ximalafter i did lsmod an update came through11:01
ximalnew headers..11:01
jscinozgah falcon is horribly broken11:01
ximalhopefully that's why the module isn't loaded/compiled right11:01
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CrozarJordan_U: still :(11:03
CrozarJordan_U: i tried many things but i will paste  bin my xorg.conf file for u11:03
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Crozaranybody? guys ? i have updated some updates for my gutsy and after it said to restart my laptop using low graphics mode , and screen is smaller =/ heres my xorg.conf file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40136/report/11:06
reverseblademy desktop freezes when I turn on compiz ?11:06
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Crozarwhen i try launching my restricted manager in system administrator this what comes = You need to install the package11:07
Crozar  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic11:07
Crozarfor this program to work.11:07
Crozarafter that i sudo aptget install linux-restricted-modules-generic and still =/11:08
savvasCrozar: update your sources11:08
savvashm11:08
savvasCrozar: do this in terminal: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-generic11:08
jscinozgah epm is being a bitch again11:09
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Crozarthe update i think was theyr since yseterday b ut i updated 1 hour ago and this what happened everything went wrong with my display i was running good with compiz on and fullscreen but now its small screen and using versa gfx driver stuff liek that11:09
Crozaryea11:10
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Crozarlinux-restricted-modules-generic:11:10
Crozar  Installed: 2.6.22.13.1911:10
Crozar  Candidate: 2.6.22.13.1911:10
Crozar  Version table:11:10
Crozar *** 2.6.22.13.19 011:10
Crozar        500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/restricted Packages11:10
Crozar        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status11:10
awalton__now do uname -a11:10
savvasno need11:10
savvas  Candidate: 2.6.22.14.2011:10
Crozarhuh?11:11
savvasCrozar: do this: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade11:11
awalton__^^11:11
awalton__beat mea11:11
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basculedist-upgrade for kernels?11:11
Crozar? so u mean theyr is a fix for the current upgrade that was launched 9 hours ago?11:12
savvasCrozar: eeeeeeeeexactly11:12
Crozar0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.11:12
savvashm..11:12
Crozarsavvas: i always upgrade lo11:12
savvasCrozar: then you'll have to wait11:13
savvas!stages11:13
ubotuThe Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.11:13
Crozarhow come it read my card as versa11:13
savvasCrozar: do this in terminal again: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-generic11:13
savvasmaybe you still don't have it11:13
Crozarnormal?" why not put both updates in same time this may cause people to fear ubuntu =/ rather then love11:13
savvasbecause not all repository mirrors are the same :)11:14
awalton__and because this is still a beta release ;)11:14
Crozarlinux-restricted-modules-generic:11:14
Crozar  Installed: 2.6.22.13.1911:14
Crozar  Candidate: 2.6.22.13.1911:14
Crozar  Version table:11:14
Crozar *** 2.6.22.13.19 011:14
Crozar        500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/restricted Packages11:14
Crozar        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status11:14
awalton__betas are for the fearless11:14
Crozardo i change us?11:14
savvasCrozar: if you want to, I have the uk.archive11:15
savvasit's actually weird how come you don't have it11:15
Crozarok i put main server i even tricked the source to get heavy updates11:15
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Crozarticked source code *11:16
Crozarcan isp block stuff?11:16
savvasdo birds fly? :)11:17
awalton__yes, but if they're blocking apt traffic you've got more severe problems than a broken xserver11:17
savvastrue11:17
Crozarhow to put uk server?11:17
savvasCrozar: gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list11:17
savvasselect the http://us.archive.ubuntu.com or http://archive.ubuntu.com11:18
savvasclick on the replace button11:18
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savvasand replace it with: http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com11:18
Crozarubuntu is which company ? usa or uk>?11:18
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ximalhello... I need help pweeez11:19
Crozarouch i have available updates11:19
savvasximal: morning :p11:19
ximalI am trying to figure out how to get libdvdcss2 and the sudo aptget install isn't working11:19
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LuitvDhi11:19
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Crozarhey im updateing some kernel stuff and nvidia glx thing11:19
Crozari hope this will fix this11:19
awalton__ximal: you need to enable universe/multiverse11:19
Crozarbrb im restarting wish me luck11:20
ximalremind be how to enable it again please awal11:20
Muellinetwork-manager keeps crashing. I want binaries with debug symbol in order to get a proper stacktrace. Where can I get debug packages?11:20
awalton__I can't remember the way to do it through the GUI, I always just do "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.conf" and uncomment the lines that say "universe" and "multiverse" at the end, save, done.11:21
LuitvDI can't get my laptop to use an external monitor, does anybody know if that's a common problem with the ATi RS485? (Radeon Xpress 1100 IGP)11:21
awalton__or whatever your favorite text editor is11:21
ximalhmm11:22
savvasximal: do this in terminal: wget -q http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -11:23
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ximalhmm11:23
savvasximal: then go to system > administration > software sources > third party, click the "Add" button, and paste there this line: deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ feisty free non-free11:24
ximalit didn't do anything11:24
savvasit should say "OK"11:24
oshiii-_^oshi-11:24
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ximalpasted11:25
savvasximal: right, now click "Close"11:25
savvasand reload those sources with love ;)11:25
ximalhuh ?11:26
savvaslol11:26
savvasjust hit reload :P11:26
ximalW: GPG error: http://packages.medibuntu.org feisty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A278311:26
savvasuh..11:26
savvasximal: wget -q http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -11:26
savvaspaste that in terminal11:26
savvasright-click paste11:26
MuelliOr do I have to build the package myself in order to get a binaries with debug symbols?11:27
awalton__muelli: usually it's just pkg-name-dbg for symbols11:27
awalton__I have no idea what the package name for netman is, or if ubuntu ships the symbols though11:28
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t-Omicr0nDON'T run Gutsy ? Is that a joke or serious ?11:29
Muelliawalton__: as I say, network-manager-dbg only exists for dapper :( And it's "superseeded" for edgy, whatever this means..11:29
Seeker`I have my CPUs overclocked to 2.9GHz, but the CPU frequency monitor only shows them going up to 2.66GHz at most - is there a reason for this?11:29
awalton__my bad, I didn't see that11:29
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savvasnetman?11:29
JohnFluxHey all11:29
savvast-Omicr0n: very serious :)11:29
savvasvery very extraordinary11:30
TheInfinitySeeker`: your CPU sais 2.66, so it shows 2.66 ...11:30
TheInfinitybtw11:30
awalton__perhaps that just means they don't ship the symbols anymore?11:30
Seeker`hrm11:30
JohnFluxMy printer (HP LaserJet 1018) only works if I do "rmmod uhci_hcd"11:30
awalton__ughhh yay lag.11:30
Seeker`would ubuntu be doing anything to limit it?11:30
Muelliso is anyone familiar with apt-source build? I want to build the package with at least "-g3 -O0"11:31
TheInfinityis there a good reason for ... if i plug in power cable in my laptop it switches to powersave, if i plug it of it switches to dynamic ... why?11:31
JohnFluxother people have this problem, and the same solution works for them11:31
JohnFluxany ideas what this means? :)11:31
awalton__Seeker`, nope, it's just saying 2.66GHz because that's what your CPU had programmed into it at the factory11:31
JohnFluxI'm assuming that uhci_hcd and ehci_hcd  are conflicting with each other or something11:31
JohnFluxbut presumably there's a better solution or something11:31
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Seeker`awalton__: But does that mean that it wont run at 2.9GHz?11:33
savvasJohnFlux: yeah, bug reporting time: http://bugs.ubuntu.com11:33
JohnFluxsavvas: there's already a bug11:33
awalton__Seeker`, not at all, if you've got it clocked at 2.9, it will run at 2.9, even if it says 2.6 in some utilities11:33
JohnFluxsavvas: report11:33
savvasJohnFlux: bug report?11:33
savvaslink?11:34
JohnFluxsavvas: I'll have to  google for it :-D  one sec11:34
Seeker`awalton__: Is there anywhere that will reliably report it?11:34
awalton__that's a really hard question to answer.. with Intel CPUs, a good way is to usually divide the number of bogomips reported by /proc/cpuinfo by 2 to get the number of real MHz11:35
Seeker`well, its reporting 5855 bogomips11:36
savvasJohnFlux: usually people subscribe to a bug when it considers them11:36
t-Omicr0nsavvas: May be, but I'm running it anyway ;)11:36
awalton__and 5.85/2 is?11:36
JohnFluxsavvas: sure.  but I thought someone might know what it means if I have to do this11:36
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JohnFluxsavvas: should the printer be blacklisted for uchi_hcd  or something11:36
savvasJohnFlux: uhci_hcd or uchi_hcd11:37
JohnFluxuchi_hcd11:37
JohnFluxurgh11:37
JohnFluxuhci_hcd11:37
Seeker`2.9211:37
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JohnFluxI'm unable to type it heh11:37
JohnFluxsavvas: so uhci_hcd11:37
awalton__Seeker`, and thusly, you have arrived at the number of GHz your processor is running11:38
savvasi think it's the usb module right?11:38
JohnFluxright11:38
awalton__Seeker`, but that's just a crude estimation, it might be off by a few thousand cycles in either direction11:38
savvasJohnFlux: does it make any problems with a.. let's say, usb mouse or anything?11:38
JohnFluxthere's two usb modules.  ehci and uhci11:38
Seeker`hmm11:38
awalton__;)11:38
JohnFluxsavvas: nope11:38
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JohnFluxsavvas: no problems other than my printer doesn't work.  searching launchpad for 1018 hp   gives dozens of bugs that their printer doesn't work11:39
savvasJohnFlux: well your motherboard should actually use the right one, mine does that by setting the bios to "automatic"11:39
savvasJohnFlux: try this, shutdown, connect your printer and boot your computer11:39
JohnFluxsavvas: ...11:42
JohnFluxsavvas: it takes an age to reboot.  if that works, would that indicate a way to fix this?11:42
savvasJohnFlux: well from what you're telling me you're connecting it while the computer is running11:43
JohnFluxright11:43
savvastry do it before booting and see if that helps11:43
JohnFluxsavvas: if it does help, will that indicate a solution though?11:44
Muellifor the record: there is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash where information about debugpackages is provided11:44
savvasJohnFlux: and check your motherboard bios and select the ehci if you can find it11:44
JohnFluxsavvas: I'd like to get this fixed in gutsy or something11:44
savvasJohnFlux: if you want this fixed, you find the bug report and add a comment, the more the people that have that problem, the more developers will get interested11:45
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JohnFluxI'm currently adding a comment to all the bug reports11:46
JohnFluxwill take a while11:46
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LuitvDI can't get my laptop to use an external monitor, does anybody know if that's a common problem with the ATi RS485? (Radeon Xpress 1100 IGP)11:50
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LuitvDIf I try to switch or change configurations in the "Screens and Graphics" configuration tool, it crashes and restores settings11:51
awalton__LuitvD from what I can tell, radeon support for the side port is pretty much shot until we get a driver that's worthy of our time11:52
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awalton__doesn't work at all for me using an older version of the IGP11:53
LuitvDshame...11:53
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LuitvDATi BigDesktop (on older Ubuntu) didn't work either :(11:54
awalton__I think us 4xx owners are getting the biggest shaft of all time.. the 5-6xx is getting a new free driver, the older 1,2,3xx have very good, working open drivers.. and we're stuck in the middle.11:54
scottsatkinI just upgraded to Feisty and now have no audio.  I continue to get the error: "audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open resource for writing."11:55
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ximalok11:57
ximali'm back..11:57
Eq|workscottsatkin : this is the gutsy chan.. try #ubuntu11:57
scottsatkinsorry, i meant gutsy11:57
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Eq|workwhat sound chipset?11:57
scottsatkinSAA713411:58
Eq|workalso.. do you have esd installed?11:58
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Eq|workcheck that the modules are loaded11:58
scottsatkini *think* the modules are loaded, how can i check?11:58
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Eq|worklsmod11:58
scottsatkinthe modules are loaded11:59
Eq|workanything in dmesg ?12:00
scottsatkin[   52.625076]  saa7130/34: v4l2 driver version 0.2.14 loaded12:00
scottsatkin[   53.006658]  saa7134 ALSA driver for DMA sound loaded12:01
scottsatkin[   53.006674]  saa7133[0] /alsa: saa7133[0]  at 0xfeaff800 irq 22 registered as card -212:01
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scottsatkinis it bad that there is no /dev/dsp only a /dev/dsp1?12:02
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evgeHi, I'm running xubuntu 7.04 and I want to update to 7.10 beta, how to do that ?12:03
Muellievge: update-manager -c -d12:03
hitevge, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades12:04
evgethank you12:05
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Crozaraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah12:06
Crozarsavvas: u theyr12:06
Crozarafter restart my screen was working12:06
Crozari went to enable accelerator , then it asked me to restart after that my screen is blank black12:06
Crozari did CTRL + ALT + F4 and went in sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf12:07
Crozarit was weird!12:07
Crozargood thing i had a back up of my old xorg.conf and i replaced it by doing mv12:07
scottsatkinI just upgraded to Gutsy and now have no audio.  I continue to get the error: "audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open resource for writing."12:08
Crozarthe problem is why ubuntu is this way? imagine im new to ubuntu , i install 7.10 gutsy then suddenly i enable accelerator then BLACK SCREEN? what the hell what u think will he do? he will format or just cry lo12:08
Crozarscottsatkin: laptop or desktop?12:08
awalton__well, once again, you're running a beta.12:08
gnomefreakCrozar: thats the point new users shouldnt run gutsy its still not stable12:08
scottsatkindesktop12:08
Eq|workscottsatkin : hm.12:08
m1lkc0wawalton__: Back in business. However, resolving the aspell issue meant removing dictionaries-common which in turn meant removing (and reinstalling) most of ubuntu-desktop12:08
Crozargnomefreak: ok , but imagine its stabled u think this error wil be fixxeD?? hell it was theyr since ubuntu 612:09
Eq|workwhat is gconf configured to use?12:09
Crozarim talking about laptops gnomefreak12:09
gnomefreakCrozar: cant its not stable and your issue if bug was reported should be fixed by stable12:09
awalton__m1lkc0w ouch, usually removing ubuntu-desktop just removes the metapackage and not everything else it's attached to12:09
scottsatkinEq|work: how would i check that?12:09
Eq|workcheck your sound settings12:09
gnomefreakCrozar: gutsy is unstable if you run it laptop, desktop, microwave, phone, where ever12:10
awalton__but I"m glad to hear it's back working..12:10
jmghaha microwave12:10
jmgdishwasher?12:10
Eq|workCrozar : the platform you're talking about is irrelevant. people without experience with linux in general, and ubuntu in specific should NOT use gutsy12:10
gnomefreakCrozar: you choose to test gutsy do that report bugs12:10
Eq|workit's made fairly clear in a number of places.12:10
m1lkc0wawalton__: I've just removed the packages that were depending on dictionaries-common (e.g. openoffice-*) and reinstalled ubuntu-desktop to pull in all the missing parts12:10
scottsatkinso in the device SAA7134, the only tracks are "Line-in, Line-in 2, Video"12:10
jmgcan i install gutsy on my dishwasher?12:10
jmghello?12:10
Crozargnomefreak: in laptop theyr is a LCD built in right? ubuntu has this problem with built in LCD's it rather enables CRT , i did connect a crt and see it was working fine then i have to go and change to LCD view , but i didnt have time this day to put the crt coz i know it will work so i replaced my old xorg where it has Default LCD enabled12:10
gnomefreakif you cant fix it dont run it12:10
jmg:)12:10
gnomefreakCrozar: soulnds like a bug file a bug report.12:11
gnomefreaksounds.12:11
awalton__m1lkc0w well at least it worked.. even if it is a bit unconventional. such a random package break12:11
Crozar:(12:11
Crozarok12:11
gnomefreakif you cant file a bug report please dont test gutsy12:11
Eq|workCrozar : if you don't have time to work with the issues, use feisty.12:11
Eq|workscottsatkin : err.. that'd be bad.12:11
Crozarlol 1month i never met my friends even my gf hate me now12:11
Eq|workwhich kernel are you using?12:12
awalton__jmg, I got ubuntu running on a CAD machine, I'm sure you can run it on a dishwasher12:12
scottsatkin2.6.22-14-38612:12
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m1lkc0wawalton__: Indeed. I am not, however, reinstalling the german aspell dictionary at this time. I am sure that's what broke the aspell installation12:12
Eq|workscottsatkin : try using -generic rather than -38612:12
scottsatkinhow do i change that?12:12
awalton__m1lkc0w, definitely file a bug.. hopefully someone will take a look at that dictionary and find out why it's throwing a wrench in the works12:12
Eq|workscottsatkin : use synaptic12:13
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jmgCrozar: lol12:13
LuitvDscottsatkin: are you sure that SAA7134 device is the correct one?12:14
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scottsatkinLuitvD: i think so, it is the only one listed12:14
LuitvDscottsatkin: I guess it's a TV tuner... do you have one in your computer?12:14
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scottsatkinLuitvD: yes, i do, but i also have onboard sound12:14
LuitvDscottsatkin: my TV tuner has the exact same chip, and similar inputs12:14
scottsatkinLuitvD: how can i get it to use the onboard sound instead, i am going to take the TV tuner out12:14
LuitvDscottsatkin: then your on-board sound modules aren't loaded12:15
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scottsatkinLuitvD: okay, how can i figure out which modules i need for that?12:15
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LuitvDscottsatkin: I don't know what device you have on-board...12:15
Eq|workscottsatkin : lspci12:15
scottsatkin00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)12:15
LuitvDscottsatkin: I just recognized the Audio Chipset's name (SAA7134) as being the same one I have on my TV tuner :P that's where my knowledge ends12:16
scottsatkinEq|work: how can i load the modules for my audio device: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)?12:17
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awalton__sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel12:17
scottsatkinFATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found.12:18
awalton__O_o12:18
awalton__ruh roh.12:18
jussi01!intelhda12:18
ubotuFor fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto12:18
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awalton__just plain weird it doesn't even see the module..12:19
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scottsatkinhmmm, i am trying to apt-get the required kernal headers, but i am getting the could not get lock on /var/lib/dpkg/lock message, but i am not running apt-get or anything like that, any ideas?12:21
m1lkc0wjussi01: I will file a bug report if I can reproduce the problem12:21
awalton__scottsatkin: use sudo12:22
awalton__sudo apt-get whatever12:22
scottsatkini did12:22
awalton__is update-manager running in the background?12:22
jussi01!adeptfix12:22
ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 12:22
scottsatkinyea, it was update-manager, thanks12:23
awalton__always welcome12:23
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savvasscottsatkin: it's snd-hda-intel, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel but it works here: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)12:29
scottsatkinFATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found.12:30
savvasscottsatkin: - and not _12:30
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scottsatkinwhen i enter "sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel", i get12:31
scottsatkin"FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found."12:31
scottsatkini am trying out: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto ... compiling alsa from scratch12:31
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msaWhat package do I have to install, so that "pdflatex" command is available (none of packages I have looked seem to provide it, many -reference it)12:32
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savvasah12:34
savvasscottsatkin: well as I said, it works here, have you tried the tests from system > preferences > sound?12:34
scottsatkinyep, they give me the error:  audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open resource for writing.12:35
scottsatkinalright, i'm going for a reboot, hopefully this works, thanks for the advice everyone12:36
savvaswhat does cat /proc/asound/cards say?12:37
savvasbah12:37
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b3nwHi all, trying to install but my install is stuck at 8% Starting up the partitioner "scanning disks..."12:43
penguincentralb3nw: what build are you using?12:43
b3nwthe beta12:43
Crozarive reported the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/15123012:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151230 in ubuntu "laptop display 4new install critical" [Undecided,New] 12:44
elmargolI uses this howto to create a pendrive http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/ . they include a initrd.gz wich needs the wrong kernel :( 2.6.22-10 instead of 2.6.22-1212:45
elmargolAny Ideas how I can create a fixed initrd.gz?12:45
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gnomefreaksavvas: riddell knows about it, he is head kubuntu developer12:47
savvasgnomefreak: ok thanks :)12:47
gnomefreaknp12:47
gnomefreakCrozar: they may ask for your /etx/X11/xorg.conf along with /var/log/xorg.0.log or whatever its called12:48
gnomefreakand just to make something clear. your statment sounds like everyone has teh same problem as you do and in fact they dont.12:49
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Crozargnomefreak: i dont know the xorg.conf before the one i mv with12:49
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Crozarcoz i did mv /etc..... xorg.conf.backup etc..... xorg.conf12:50
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gnomefreakCrozar: driver name being changed means nothing12:50
Crozarso i dont know what was my old one?12:50
jeff1212where can i get some killer wallpapers?12:50
Eq|workif scottsatkin comes back, tell him he should have just installed the -generic kernel packages...12:50
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Crozarnot drive the options show dfp and another xorg12:50
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Crozarthis xorg i have was from feisty12:50
Crozaromg :(12:50
gnomefreakthats bad12:50
Crozargnomefreak: how to get my logs before this restart12:50
gnomefreakCrozar: /var/log/12:51
gnomefreakread what i wrote above and think about why they asked for files in /var/log12:51
gnomefreakthe hint is there pretty much gives you your answer12:51
sbcI'm trying to connecto to a WPA peap tkip mschapv2 wireless network. I'm told by the 'staff' that those are the correct settings. Can anyone make any sence of my syslog http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40142/ or point me in the right direction for a fix? I'm using the nm-applet.12:51
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scottsatkinstill no luck for me, i am now booting into the "generic" kernel12:52
Crozargnomefreak: aha ! they want my log also with my new one to see how i fixed it :P12:52
scottsatkini have no "/proc/asound/card0" which leaves me at a dead-end from: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto12:53
scottsatkinany advice?12:53
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savvaswhat does cat /proc/asound/cards say?12:54
_Argasmhi guys, can someone help me with a wireless setup ?!?  7.04 worked fine, but 7.10 doesnt wanna play12:54
scottsatkin 1 [SAA7134        ] : SAA7134 - SAA713412:54
scottsatkin                      saa7133[0]  at 0xfeaff800 irq 2212:54
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scottsatkinit's just the tvtuner, not the onboard audio12:54
savvasscottsatkin: do you have a laptop?12:54
scottsatkinmaybe i should take out the tv tuner and reinstall12:54
scottsatkinno, it's a desktop12:54
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savvashm12:55
savvasscottsatkin: maybe it's clashing with the tv tuner, correct12:55
_Argasmis it normal for the Prefs->Network ting to keep switching to wep(hex) when I specifically want wep(ascii) ???12:56
scottsatkinalright savaas, i'll give it a try installing w/o the tvtuner12:56
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Seeker`does anyone know where the shortcut for scrolling terminal output is defined?12:59
_Argasmpls pls can someone help me with a 7.10 wireless setup ?  it doesnt wanna play ...12:59
Crozarok i sent all the xorgies12:59
savvashah xorgies :)12:59
gnomefreak_Argasm: please be patient if someone knows they will try to help you but please dont keep repeating it so often01:00
Crozardoes kopete how voice chat?01:00
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savvasscottsatkin: if that doesn't work either.. um do you have realtek? realtek has drivers on their website01:00
_Argasmsorry guys...  just eager to get my setup working 100%...01:00
Crozar_Argasm: i lost hope for 100% , just get 80% =) windows is not 100% remember if they are this powerful01:01
scottsatkinsavvas: thanks, i'll check that out01:01
scottsatkinbedtime for me now01:01
savvasnighty01:01
savvasdon't let the gutsy bugs bite01:02
_ArgasmCrozar: my 7.04 setup was 100% (no kidding) everything worked perfectly...  just 7.10 doesnt wanna play with wireless setup... dunno why...01:02
hitany ideas why flash doesn't make any sound?01:02
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Crozar_Argasm: lets wait for the full release , its not only the libs because file association comes also from system itself ;)01:03
_Argasmwont the daily updates make it the full release ???01:04
Crozarmaybe =) just wait01:04
savvashit: 64-bit? browser? how did you install the plugin?01:04
Crozarbtw _Argasmim going to format ont he day of gutsy lo01:04
hitsavvas, 32, firefox non-free01:04
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_Argasmlol... I prolly will also when my 7.10 cd's arrive... <excited>01:05
_Argasmam soooooo pissed off with Windows these days... never looked back....01:05
Crozar_Argasm: cant download?01:05
Crozar_Argasm: the cds loook slick?01:05
hitsavvas, gnash acts way too weird i.e in youtube01:05
savvashit: did you restart the browser after you installed the plugin?01:05
_ArgasmCrozar: downloaded the beta and installed that... going away for 3 months so my cd's wil prolly be in by then :)01:05
hitsavvas, yes01:06
Crozaroh so the cds gives you everything else like all softwares ect.>>?01:06
hitthe sound disappeared a couple of days ago01:06
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hitsavvas, maybe something with alsa?01:06
Crozaris it 1 DVD? or 2DVDS?01:06
_Argasmbeen converting so many ppl to Ubuntu just by talking about it...  when they see it they're amazed... should realy have ordered 100 cd's01:06
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Crozar_Argasm: you can make the cd's yourself u know ;)01:07
Crozar_Argasm: or do they come packaged?01:07
savvashit: maybe, no idea, it works here01:07
_Argasmtrue, but there's nothing better than an official looking cd set: )01:07
savvashit: maybe the video doesn't have any sound? :P01:08
hitsavvas, lol sure has :p01:08
savvasok just checking01:08
savvas:)01:08
hit:p01:08
hitany of flash plugins won't work01:08
hitwell, they do, but not the sound01:08
hit+ gnash displays youtube player very weirdly01:09
_Argasmanyone else using Opera 9.50 for Ubuntu ???01:09
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savvashit: did you uninstall gnash when you installed flash non free?01:10
hityes01:11
hitALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave01:11
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savvasah can't help you there, try file a bug01:11
savvasbugs.ubuntu.com01:11
Kohvihooris gutsy's kernel compiled with largemem support?01:11
hiti had this issue once but i don't remember what was wrong then01:12
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gnomefreaksavvas: flash should replace gnash in the plugins file and vice versa01:12
_Argasmlol, just seen vixta.org (vista clone using linux) haha... what next01:12
savvasoki doki01:13
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_Argasmis their a simple command to turn the wireless card off then on again without using the gui ?01:16
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_Argasmthx guys01:22
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mooperwhen we getting gutsy then chaps?01:27
gnomefreakmooper: read the link in the topic01:30
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mooperwhat link?01:31
moopergnomefreak: what link01:31
gnomefreakoh crap01:31
gnomefreakmooper: hold that though01:31
gnomefreakt01:31
mooper:D01:31
gnomefreakhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule01:32
gnomefreakthat link01:32
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moopergnomefreak ta01:33
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:gnomefreak] : Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Gutsy Gibbon" | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | This channel is for Gutsy discussion only | If you need help with dapper/edgy/ or feisty join #ubuntu | Gutsy still has bugs and it is advised that you know dpkg/apt well before running it as you may need to fix it. | If you find a problem file a bug report first with all the info you have on the issue than come here and ask for help. | Have a ni
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gnomefreakmooper: yw01:34
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Seeker`hmm, for me the topic ends "have a ni"01:36
mooperSeeker`: thats just your client01:37
kling0nsame issue here01:39
PiciSeeker`: Mine too01:39
kling0nwith xchat201:39
PiciWith irssi01:39
kling0nheh01:39
gnomefreakcrap01:39
gnomefreakits char limit01:39
PiciI'll have a ni if you want though, I dont mind01:39
kling0nheh01:39
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nosrednaekimmine ends with "nice"01:40
kling0nmaybe you could just put the warning there and put the rest on a webpage ?01:40
nosrednaekimits just "have a nice day probably"01:40
mooperno char limit in pidgin01:40
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kling0nwd01:41
frying_fishHi guys, I've got a couple of issues, on boot I fail to get any messages (I've disabled the splash feature as I wanted to be able to see the usual what it is loading details) so currently till I get the login screen I just have a blank screen01:42
kling0nstill probably the longest channel topic on freenode :)01:42
gnomefreakmooper: i believe freenode sets char limit (hence the excess flood)01:42
PiciAww. I want my ni back.01:42
frying_fishand secondly, I don't seem to be able to access any of the ttys01:42
gnomefreakkling0n: if people would think first than run gutsy or ask questions it could be much shorter01:42
kling0nfrying_fish: you probably have a wrong vga= parameter in your kernel options01:42
frying_fishand it seems to have a really distorted badly rendered magnified version of my X desktop when I try.01:42
frying_fishkling0n: used to work absolutely fine (i.e. when I had feisty on it 2 days ago)01:42
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gnomefreakok meeting time01:43
Eq|workfrying_fish : gutsy and feisty are very different01:43
frying_fishhowever, I'm willing to accept with the new intel drivers this could be the case, as I have an i91501:43
Eq|workand gutsy is beta quality, not ready for use by the masses01:43
frying_fishEq|work: indeed they are, as I would have expected.01:43
kling0nanyone knwo if vesafb is enabled by default in gutsy kernel?01:43
hitis it bad if there is no such file or directory: /etc/init.d/alsa ?01:43
Eq|workdid you upgrade, or did you do a clean install?01:43
frying_fishI'm not complaining, just wondering that since I've not found much in the forum yet if you guys happened to know if this is a common bug01:44
frying_fishI upgraded01:44
kling0nhit sudo apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils oss-compat01:44
Eq|workthat's probably the problem. odds are your xorg config isn't set up right for gutsy01:44
Eq|workmake a copy of it, then edit it01:44
frying_fishso its quite possible something is wrong, also as a side question related to gfx, now with the "intel" driver instead of the need for i810 I wonder if 915resolution is still needed.01:44
hitkling0n, i didn't onlt have oss-compat01:45
kling0nbtw latest update made nvidia-glx-new package stop working01:45
Eq|workit generally isn't even supported01:45
hitonly*01:45
frying_fishEq|work: yeah I re-ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to see what I could change.01:45
kling0nbecause restricted-modules wasn't being upograded01:45
Eq|workkling0n : that's just a timing thing01:45
hitand /etc/init.d/alsa is still missing01:45
Eq|workhit: sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base alsa-utils01:45
kling0nfrying_fish: if you're not getting terminal output before X loads it's not an Xorg issue01:45
kling0nEq|work: how so ?01:46
frying_fishEq|work: ok, I just still had it because with the 1280x800 res the old driver didn't really do it and you need the bios hack to make it work, just wondered if thats not required any more01:46
kling0nEq|work: doesn't matter too much for me as i just installed it manually01:46
Eq|workkling0n : the restricted modules package either hasn't been uploaded yet, or something it depends on hasn't.01:46
frying_fishkling0n: I thoguht as much.01:46
kling0nfrying_fish: do you have any vga parameters to your kernel ?01:46
hitEq|work, still nothing01:46
Eq|workfrying_fish : the lack of terminal output will likely be a vga/vesa thing01:46
kling0nhit: I believe it's called /etc/init.d/alsa-utils01:46
frying_fishit is currently vga=79101:47
kling0nfrying_fish: ditch that01:47
frying_fishyeah that should drop it back to the old 80xwhatever shouldn't it01:47
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kling0nyup01:47
Eq|workfrying_fish : sounds like it's an incorrect mode for your display01:47
kling0nEq|work: frying_fish actually I experienced something similar01:47
kling0njust gave up on vesa console for now :)01:47
Eq|workhit : /etc/init.d/alsa may not be a ubuntu thing. i know debian has it, along with /etc/init.d/alsa-utils, but that doesn't mean ubuntu will.01:47
frying_fishwill see if I get the old one back, although it seems odd that it would work with the older stuff, unless its been broken.01:48
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kling0nfrying_fish: check for vesafb support in your current kernel01:48
hitEq|work: ok, but does this line tell you anything? ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave01:48
Eq|workfrying_fish : try with no vga= part in the boot line.. (if you're worried, edit it in grub itself, on boot.. one-time change.01:48
nosrednaekimhey... is there a way to make apt-get update only get the info for one repository and leave all the others the same?01:49
frying_fishwell, its the default 2.6.22-14-generic which I would assume would have it in01:49
Eq|workon its own that means roughly squat01:49
kling0nhit: check your $HOME/.asounrc01:49
kling0nhit: check your $HOME/.asoundrc01:49
Eq|worknosrednaekim : no01:49
frying_fishEq|work: not so worried about the editing, done that and will reboot and see the result01:49
frying_fishbbs01:49
hitkling0n: there is only .asoundrc.asoundconf.old01:49
hit:P01:49
hitshould i rename it?01:49
kling0nmv .asoundrc .asound.rc.old.butnotasoldastheotherone01:50
kling0n:)01:50
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frying_fish_Eq|work: and kling0n that has worked, so yes the vga= parameter was wrong, I'm guessing that the vesfb stuff is now failing in gutsy?01:53
Eq|workcould be01:53
Eq|workcould be it's trying a different fb01:54
hitkling0n: restarted alsa and firefox, but same thing01:54
frying_fish_could well be01:54
Eq|workthere may be an intel-specific one that's having issues.01:54
frying_fish_may well be01:54
Eq|workprobably worth filing a bugreport if there isn't already one01:54
frying_fish_might do01:54
Eq|worklikely against the kernel, but not sure01:54
kling0nhmm reminds me.. I should probably get nvidiafb loaded01:54
frying_fish_off to a lecture right now though, so will have to do this afternoon.01:54
Eq|workheh01:54
frying_fish_cheers guys btw01:55
Eq|workahh.. warwick.01:55
Eq|workhf :P01:55
frying_fish_yes warwick01:55
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frying_fish_oh right01:55
Eq|worki think our gaming society had a few competitions with yours..01:55
Eq|workfew years back now though01:55
frying_fish_ahh, not involved qith that lot01:55
frying_fish_anyway gtg01:55
Eq|workby gaming i mean pc & console01:56
Eq|work:P01:56
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kling0nEq|work: we're on irc.. I dont think anyone expected you to mean "sports" :)01:57
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_dan_any chance gutsy will get 2.6.23 kernel?01:59
avatar_don't think so02:00
avatar_release in 8 days02:00
avatar_today/yesterday 2.6.23 releases02:00
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avatar_thats a short time testing02:00
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nosrednaekimits not getting 2.6.2302:02
kling0navatar_: that's the one thing I've never worried about.. new kernel upgrades usually fix stuff for me :)02:02
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elmargolHas someone a working ubunt gutsy beta pen drive persistent?02:07
hitany more ideas why firefox is yelling "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave" when dealing with flash?02:07
elmargolI can boot from my stick but changes are not saved :(02:07
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WhoopieHi, anybody on gutsy and wants to test uswsusp with usplash support? I've added a patch to bug 109151. I'd be every grateful for any tests. Thanks.02:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 109151 in uswsusp "no hibernate with uswsusp installed" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10915102:08
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bazhangWhoopie: how to test it?02:08
Whoopiebazhang: you need to patch uswsusp and acpi-support and test hibernate.02:09
Whoopieyou'd see the usplash while hibernate and resume.02:09
bazhangok, thanks.02:09
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reversebladeHow can I downgrade my nvidia driver ? Current one causes frequent freezes02:11
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kling0nhit: did you move/remove the .asoundrc02:14
kling0n?02:14
hitremoved now02:15
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cyranoHi. i get an error in Firefox.02:15
cyranobeaglePageLoad: beagleWriteContent/Metadata failed: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)" location: "JSframe ::02:15
cyranochrome://beagle/content/beagleOverlay.js :: beagleWriteContent __line 112" data: no] 02:15
cyranoI realy don't know how to solve this02:15
cyranopls. help02:15
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hitweird that everything else works02:21
hitrhythmbox and so on02:22
addoswhy is the useragent different for firefox on gutsy?02:22
_dan_reverseblade, apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-new && apt-get install nvidia-glx02:22
reverseblade_dan_, will I get 3D with that driver ?02:22
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_dan_reverseblade, yes02:23
reversebladethanks02:23
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jaymdoes anyone know if the gutsy available now is pretty much what will be released soon?02:24
RAOFPretty much, yes.02:24
Picijaym: the one available now has more bugs02:24
reversebladejaym, DON'T run it02:24
jaymso if vpnc on network manager dont work now wont work later?02:24
addoswhy not?02:24
RAOFThere are likely to be quite a few bugfixes released, but by and large it's going to look like it does now.02:24
Picijaym: Are there bugs filed for the problems?02:25
jaymi have it running to test vpnc on network manager because feisty was broken02:25
jaymseems to be the same here02:25
addoswhy does the ubuntu boot logo/splash display so much bigger in gusty than it did in feisty?02:25
_dan_network manager works fine02:25
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jaymnetwork manager works yes not vpnc02:25
jaymi can use vpnc via command line but not on network manager02:26
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reversebladegutsy is sure an improvement over fiesty but I find it less stable than fiesty by this time02:26
nanonyme...02:26
_dan_its a beta02:26
reversebladeyeah02:27
_dan_what do u expect?02:27
nanonymeindeed02:27
reversebladebut 1 week left02:27
_dan_so?02:27
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_dan_its a beta02:27
reversebladeI didn't say it is not beta02:27
jaymim thrilled wireless works with just a few clicks now in gutsy :)02:27
_dan_its like buying a broken tv on ebay and ranting that it doenst show you a picture02:27
bazhangsome distros work better on my hardware than others..02:27
bazhangGutsy is working well; Feisty, not so much.02:28
reverseblade_dan_, it's not conclusive but I compare with fiesty release candidate02:28
reverseblade_dan_, and may be it's just me02:28
bazhangwill Gutsy have an RC?02:28
reversebladebazhang, within few days it will02:28
atlefdoes anyone manage their phone in gutsy, and if so, which program do you use?02:28
jaymwell if it can browse web, IM and do updates when needed i may switch my main desktop to gutsy :)02:28
bazhangreverseblade: it's not just you.02:28
_dan_bazhang, there is a release schedule in topic i think u can look it up there02:28
hitbazhang: tomorrow maybe02:28
bazhangthanks!02:29
bazhanguh _dan_ and hit! Cheers!02:29
reversebladeI also felt the same for dapper02:29
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reversebladeand dapper had the worst stability among all other releases. I know it had significant changes in the core02:30
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hitany ideas why a friend of mine always fails on ubuntu installation?02:32
hitthe installer just closes itself02:32
_dan_thats a very detailed error description02:32
hitno errors displayed02:33
nosrednaekimhit: try the alternate installer.02:33
hitalternate?02:33
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hitah02:35
reversebladehit, specifically at what  part it fails02:36
hitrandomly when installing, at 20%, at 54% ....02:37
reversebladehit, can you boot with live CD ?02:37
_dan_try alternate installer and look for io errors02:37
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hitlive cd works02:37
vincenzI placed "Monospace-10" for emacs font n my .Xresources, but for some reason, it can't find it02:38
reversebladehit, check the CD02:38
reversebladehit, and try alternate installer as said02:38
hitreverseblade: cd has been downloaded and burned multiple times02:38
hitok02:39
reversebladehit, you can check the CD at the beginning of the installer02:39
reverseblade I mean live CD booting02:39
bazhanghit: might also be related to media quality02:39
_dan_checking > downloading multiple times and wasting multiple cds :P02:39
reversebladehit, multiple burns and downloads doesn't guarantee CD is okay02:39
vincenzHow can I find the available fonts on my system?02:39
hitCD check said everything's ok02:40
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_dan_alternative installer then and check console for errors02:40
hitok..02:40
hithttp://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/    empty?02:41
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iu__hello02:48
savvashit: read below it02:48
iu__how does 7.10 treat a usb stick?02:48
avatar_rc1 is coming soon to a mirror near you02:48
iu__auto mounted or manually?02:49
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savvasiu__: as in feisty, automatical02:50
savvas-al02:50
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iu__where can i find it?02:50
savvasfind what? gutsy?02:50
savvaswait for the release candidate02:50
iu__mounted usb stick02:50
darkangelhello im a newb is gusty stable enough to install from 7.04 and run as my default desktop02:50
iu__i checked fstab and mtab, nothing there02:50
Picidarkangel: no, wait for the release.02:50
savvasiu__: it should show it to you on the desktop02:50
darkangelPici: ok thanks02:51
savvasiu__: from the menu: system > administration > removalbe drives and media, uncheck and check again the first three (mount drives, mount media and browse media)02:52
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iu__k lemme try02:52
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bazhanghey!02:55
TheInfinityHobbsee: hmm?02:55
bazhangTheReBooter: you there?02:55
HobbseeTheInfinity: --> /query02:56
bazhangTheReBooter: may have found a fix for your Macbook sound issues: www.ubuntu-tutorials.com  talks all about installing Kubuntu and Ubuntu Gutsy on IntelMacs.02:57
iu__couldnt find the Removable drives and media02:58
iu__im using 7.1002:58
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addosdamn03:00
addosadd/remove applications is buggy on gusty beta103:00
iuYikes!03:01
savvasiu: oops, under preferences03:01
iuok :)03:01
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Piciaddos: how so?03:03
savvasaddos: the only beta I know is beta with no 1 :P03:03
addosit just stops drawing03:03
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addosand won't work03:03
addosand I can't kill the process either03:03
addosubuntu   23228  0.1  2.4  49168 25316 ?        D    12:59   0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/gnome-app-install03:04
savvasaddos: try the system monitor03:04
addosusing it to kill the process?03:05
savvasyeah03:05
PiciDoes this always happen, do you see any bugs for it on launchpad, have you filed a bug? What were you doing when it crashed.. etc.03:05
addoswhat the hell03:05
addossystem monitor looked like it was starting, and then never ran03:05
iuhmmm03:06
addosubuntu   23264  0.4  1.1  35328 12096 ?        S    13:04   0:00 gnome-system-monitor03:06
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addosit claims to be running, but I don't see any view of it on the display03:06
iudmesg says usb stick was detected as /dev/sdc03:06
iui did edit umounted Removable media to pop as a new window03:06
Solarionis 2.6.23 going to be in gutsy?03:06
iuyet nothing happens when i plugin the usb stick03:07
savvasSolarion: maybe 2.6.22-1503:07
Solarionsavvas: so that's no?03:07
hetauma_in prefered applications under multimedia shouldn't I be able to see apart from rythmbox and totem any other player that I might have installed like mplayer amarok or vlc?03:07
Solarionsavvas: or have CFS and friends been backported?03:07
savvasSolarion: well you never know, it depends on the developers :) if they find it stable enough..03:08
Solarionheh03:08
hetauma_2.6.23 was released yesterday?03:08
savvasSolarion: try http://answers.launchpad.net03:08
Solarionsavvas: magic 8 ball?  :)03:08
hetauma_could it be definetly stable in 8 days?03:08
HobbseeSolarion: no.03:08
savvasSolarion: no, real users, at least your question will be recorded03:09
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Solarionthat's disappointing.  :)03:09
Hobbseeit's been long told that it wont be in.03:09
Hobbseeit's got a whole lot of the fixes already in though03:09
savvasthere  you have it :p03:09
savvasSolarion: you magic 8 ball, Hobbsee :D03:09
Solarionmagic 8 ball *would* be fun03:10
savvaswe have ubotu for that03:10
Solarionubotu: deep03:10
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about deep - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:10
Solarionaww03:10
savvas!Solarium03:10
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about solarium - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:10
Hobbseesavvas: heh03:11
savvasaddos: did you fix that?03:11
savvasaddos: did you insert a wireless usb, or any device in usb?03:12
savvasI've been usually getting that in feisty, the drivers would eat up all the available cpu03:13
SolarionDunno about drivers, but my beagle-helper eats 100% cpu03:13
Solarionlooks like it was polling on a socket03:13
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Solarionha.  "I'm holding off upgrading until they implement the Harsh But Demonstrably Fair Scheduler"03:14
savvashas anyone tested gnome-main-menu ?03:15
Solarionsavvas: I used it a bit, but am using gimme full-time now03:15
iutime to reboot :)03:15
savvasgimme what? :p03:15
savvasSolarion: gimmie ?03:16
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addosyes, I have a usb jumpdrive plugged in03:17
savvasoooh nice03:17
addosis the jumpdrive causing a problem?03:18
I-hate-xphi, anybody help: i replaced a "geforce2 ti" with  a "geforce4 mx440", then gutsy failed to start the GDM,  anybody help?03:18
savvasaddos: maybe03:18
savvasaddos: can you open a terminal?03:18
addosI have one open already03:18
savvasaddos: ok type: top03:18
addosok03:18
addosrunning03:19
Solarionsavvas: apt-cache search gimmie03:19
savvaspress enter, then press q03:19
savvasaddos: press enter, then press q03:19
addosok, it quit03:19
savvasaddos: do you have anything eating up the cpu?03:19
I-hate-xphi, anybody help: i replaced a "geforce2 ti" with  a "geforce4 mx440", then gutsy failed to start the GDM,  i can run "apt-get" command, but i don't know what to get03:19
addosnot from there, at least that I can tell03:20
addoslet me start top and press i03:20
savvasaddos: ok03:20
addos23313 ubuntu    15   0  2368 1184  880 R    0  0.1   0:00.04 top03:20
addos23142 ubuntu    17   0 49548  25m  13m D    0  2.5   0:00.36 gnome-codec-ins03:20
addos23147 ubuntu    25   0 49160  24m  13m D    0  2.4   0:00.35 gnome-app-insta03:20
Picinono03:20
addos23228 ubuntu    25   0 49168  24m  13m D    0  2.4   0:00.38 gnome-app-insta03:20
addos23267 ubuntu    18   0  4956 1596 1428 D    0  0.2   0:00.00 apt-cache03:20
Pici!paste | addos03:20
addos23280 ubuntu    20   0  4952 1592 1428 D    0  0.2   0:00.00 apt-cache03:20
addosare the only non idle processes03:20
ubotuaddos: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)03:20
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addoshttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40153/03:22
nemo_workeSVN 0.6.12 has been updated in debian sid.  Is there any chance it will make it into gutsy?03:22
nemo_work0.6.11 is broken against svn in feisty03:22
I-hate-xpsavvas: can you help me? i replace an old nvidia card with a new "geforce4 mx440", but gutsy failed to start the GDM/gnome. how to solve this problem?03:23
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qzioI-hate-xp: tried the nvidia drivers?03:23
nemo_workalternatively, since the package for lenny/sid requires libc6  (>= 2.6-1) I was wondering if perhaps gutsy fulfills that requirement03:23
hydrogenyes03:24
I-hate-xpqzio: show me the steps to follow.03:24
Hobbseesleepynate: found you.03:24
I-hate-xpqzio: i can use command line and network at that computer.03:25
sleepynateahh, there you are :)03:25
Picinemo_work: I dont see any open bugs logged against it03:25
Hobbseesleepynate: i'm in many places...03:25
qzioI-hate-xp: apt-cache search nvidia03:25
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benzonThink i found a problem in Gutsy03:25
sleepynatetell me we've been idling here and never known03:25
savvasI-hate-xp: um... can you load the graphical desktop interface?03:25
qzioI-hate-xp: you might need to add universe/restricted in you /etc/apt/sources.list03:25
Hobbseesleepynate: heh.  danni's in here too03:25
Hobbseeusually03:26
I-hate-xplet me see if that is added.03:26
sleepynateHobbsee: no idea who that is03:26
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savvasaddos: try killing them with: kill -9 pid03:26
addosI did try03:26
addosand it didn't work03:26
savvaswith -9 ?03:26
addoseven with sudo03:26
addosyes, with -903:26
savvashm..03:26
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addosI may just reboot03:26
addos:(03:26
Hobbseesleepynate: danni on afternet.03:26
benzonwhen i install the restricet ATI Driver i actualy cant use Compiz functions any more03:26
I-hate-xpqzio: i have restricted03:26
addosand not plugin a usb stick03:26
savvasaddos: killall -9 gnome-app-install03:26
I-hate-xpqzio: then?03:27
addoskillall didn't work either03:27
addosthey are still running03:27
savvasaddos: ok, leave the usb plugged in, and reboot03:27
addoswhat does the D under the S mean?03:27
humboltoDid anybody try to upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy lately. When I last tried (Tribe 5, was it?) it did not work due to a problem with libc6 upgrade! Is this still the case? Please have a look at bug #136337.03:27
savvassee if that fixes it03:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136337 in libc "libc6 and/or libc6-i686 upgrade fail" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13633703:27
humboltoThis might be a show stopper!03:27
nemo_workPici: ok. what about the libc thing?03:28
humboltoJust like the xorg problem we had with Feisty!03:28
qzioI-hate-xp: the apt-cache search nvidia will probaly show you something?03:28
nemo_workPici: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/esvn  this seems to imply they mean to ship with the broken package03:28
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nemo_workyes?03:28
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I-hate-xpqzio: too many things, not knowing with one is approriate for me .03:29
benzonAny one had this problem - When you install the ATI Restricet driver the Compiz functions dont work any more?03:29
humboltoUpgrading from Feisty did not work due to a problem with libc6 upgrade. I am wondering if it is working already. Since nobody answered to my bug report, I don't know if this is yet resolved!03:29
qzionvidia-glx-new or something, hey i'm just guessing, I'm not using nvidia so.. :)03:29
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benzonhumbolto, do a clean install upgrade is always a bad thing03:29
savvasI-hate-xp: which card did you have before?03:29
Kaurhas anyone been successful running gutsy with two monitors while both have different resolution?03:29
qzioI-hate-xp: nvidia-settings might be interesting too03:30
Picinemo_work: Yes, Gutsy meets the libc6 version requirement.  It looks like there have been some upgrades since the feisty release, but I can't say if they fix the brokeness or not.03:30
humboltobenzon: yeah yeah. It should work though! And most people who use Ubuntu as a production environment will rather upgrade than clean install!03:30
nemo_workPici: RapidSVN is not clever enough to identify changes in sub folders that I can tell, and has an annoying interaction I've run into that makes it non-functional for me03:30
nemo_work(bug #58171)03:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 58171 in xorg "Connection to ICE-unix/.. socket times out so programs take minutes to start" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5817103:30
PiciAn xorg bug?03:31
humboltoPici: nemo_work: somebody better try and fix this!03:31
I-hate-xpsavvas: before i used a geforce2 ti, and the drivers is nvidia-legacy, i believe03:31
nemo_workif it wasn't for RapidSVN's deficiencies I'd just stick with that since I'm running a gnome desktop :)03:31
benzonhumbolto, not me - got it ad 20 computers we dont do upgrades we do clean :)03:31
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Picinemo_work: File a bug against it then!03:31
savvasI-hate-xp: ok do this: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-legacy nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-new03:31
humboltoPici: you remember when xorg did not work anymore after some package upgrade. That was an embarrassment for Ubuntu, wasn't it? That's why we have unbreakable X now.03:32
nemo_workPici: mm. aight.  That's the way versions get bumped eh...03:32
Picinemo_work: Thats the way it works, yes.03:32
I-hate-xpsavvas: at once?03:32
Picihumbolto: Okay?03:32
humboltoPici: nemo_work: The libc6 problem will be as much emarrassing as the xorg breakage, so I suggest somebody rather has a look!03:33
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savvasI-hate-xp: well yes03:33
benzonNo one got problems with the Restriced driver and Compiz?03:33
Picihumbolto: What problem? nemo_work and I were talking about esvn, not libc6.03:33
humboltopici nemo_work: Since nobody reacted to my bug report for more than 2 month or so, I tell here!03:33
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nemo_workPici: this is confusing03:33
nemo_workPici: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/esvn/+bug/9218103:33
Picinemo_work: I knwo.03:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 92181 in esvn "esvn is not compatible with current svn version in feisty" [Medium,Fix released] 03:33
savvasI-hate-xp: are you on gnome btw?03:33
I-hate-xpsavvas: i guess that command remove 3 things, right?03:33
nemo_workPici: it seems that a bug exists and was tagged fixed03:33
humboltoPici: libc6 upgrade form feisty to gutsy is broken!03:34
nemo_workeven though the actual package never made it to any repo03:34
I-hate-xpsavvas: no, i am using another computer to the irc,03:34
I-hate-xpthe ubuntu one is beside03:34
Picinemo_work: The bug is just when launching the program, no config needed?03:34
savvasI-hate-xp: it will remove one of them03:34
nemo_workPici: I did contact the debian maintainer a couple of weeks ago to push 0.6.12 into sid/lenny03:34
Picinemo_work: I'll test it in gutysy.03:34
humboltoIs there anybody from canonical here?03:34
savvasI-hate-xp: the one that you have03:34
nemo_workPici: the bug is that it can't read the svn 1.4 format03:34
nemo_workso virtually entire UI is broken03:34
Picinemo_work: hrm.03:34
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nemo_workno file info, no version info03:34
nemo_workno indication of changes03:35
I-hate-xpok, i am running it.........03:35
savvashumbolto: apt-cache policy libc603:35
savvas!paste | humbolto03:35
ubotuhumbolto: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)03:35
nemo_workPici: I'm surprised the bug was tagged fixed :)  I see no indication of patches (unneeded anyway)03:35
Picinemo_work: me too.03:36
I-hate-xpsavvas: do03:36
I-hate-xpsavvas: done03:36
I-hate-xpsavvas: then?03:36
addoshmm, well, it still crashes even after a reboot. It seems to crash when I search for a plugin/codec from totem03:37
Picinemo_work: File a bug to have it synced from debian and cit this bug as a reason why.03:37
Picis/cit/cite03:37
nemo_workoh well, I can wait 'till Oct. 18th to have a decent linux svn GUI I guess...03:37
nemo_workPici: funny. a new bug eh.03:37
nemo_workfine.03:37
savvasI-hate-xp: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i "nv"03:37
humboltosavvas: did you have a look at the bug report?03:37
Picinemo_work: Or just add onto that bug and I'll change the status.03:37
humboltosavvas: Bug #13633703:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136337 in libc "libc6 and/or libc6-i686 upgrade fail" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13633703:38
I-hate-xpsavvas: identifier ..............  geforce2 ti  , things like that.03:38
savvasI-hate-xp: paste at http://pastebin.ca please03:39
savvashumbolto: wait for the release candidate if you're still in feisty03:40
addoswhen is the release candidate going to be out?03:40
nemo_workPici: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/esvn/+bug/15128903:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151289 in esvn "Please merge eSVN 0.6.12 from debian lenny/sid to Gutsy - fixes svn incompatibility." [Undecided,New] 03:40
savvasaddos: /topic03:40
I-hate-xpsavvas: wait a second.03:41
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I-hate-xpidentifier  nvidia geforce2 ti03:42
I-hate-xpdriver nvidia03:42
I-hate-xpdevice nvidia geforce2 ti03:42
I-hate-xproughly that.03:42
savvasah ok03:43
addoswhy won't kill -9 kill those processes?03:43
savvasaddos: maybe something else re-runs them03:43
addosdoes it have something to do with the D under the S in top?03:43
addosnah, the pid doesn't change03:43
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savvasI-hate-xp: ok, follow my instructions: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak && sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf03:45
I-hate-xpsavvas: no more guidance??03:45
I-hate-xpbackup one, then edit it?03:46
savvasI-hate-xp: you'll hit the down arrow keypad until you see the line Driver "nvidia"03:46
savvasI-hate-xp: yes03:46
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savvasI-hate-xp: change the Driver "nvidia" to: Driver "nv"03:46
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savvasI-hate-xp: i.e. you backspace idia :P03:47
savvasI-hate-xp: after that hit ctrl-x and answer y (twice I think)03:47
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I-hate-xpok, following03:48
savvasI-hate-xp: when that's done you should be back to command prompt, do: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart03:48
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savvasI-hate-xp: you should be able to run gnome now, correct?03:49
I-hate-xpsavvas: responce is OK03:49
savvasI-hate-xp: it didn't show you the graphical login interface?03:50
I-hate-xpsavvas: wait, no luck03:50
savvasI-hate-xp: errors?03:51
I-hate-xpsavvas: when i alt+f7 back to tty7, nothing shows03:51
savvasI-hate-xp: it should take you back on its own03:51
savvashm..03:51
savvasI-hate-xp: ok do this: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx03:52
I-hate-xpthough just now in the command line it says : starting the gnome manager ...........[ok] 03:52
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savvasI think that's the one for your new card03:52
I-hate-xpsavvas: ok, i run it........03:52
humboltosavvas: I wait until the final release. But still the question is, if an upgrade will work. Is nothing changed concerning the libc6 upgrade process since Tribe 5 I can garantee it will not! I reproduced this bug several times!!!03:52
I-hate-xpsavvas: done03:52
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savvasI-hate-xp: ok now: sudo nvidia-xconfig03:54
I-hate-xpsavvas: done03:55
savvasI-hate-xp: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable03:55
savvasI-hate-xp: after that, reboot: sudo shutdown -r now03:55
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I-hate-xpsavvas: how about sudo reboot?03:56
savvashumbolto: if they haven't replied, my guess is that they are aware it exists, so it'd be better to check the release candidate tomorrow03:56
savvasI-hate-xp: i like his one better :P03:57
bushwakkomy external mouse halts a sec everytime i type on my keyboard, my touchpad doesnt! what is the reason for this?03:57
I-hate-xpsavvas: done.03:57
I-hate-xpsavvas: reboot03:57
bushwakkoit does this in gpm in console too03:57
I-hate-xping.........03:57
MikeDXso, big question then. should i be using gutsy or shall i wait until final? I've been using ubuntu since last year so I'm not a stranger to apt/dpkg and I've used *nix systems since forever (since xenix in fact)03:58
humboltosavvas: If they would know it exists, they would have set the bug to "Confirmed"!03:59
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humboltoAgain, did anybody try an upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy lately???03:59
addoswhy is the gutsy splash so much larger than the feisty splash?03:59
humboltoSuccessfully?03:59
savvasMikeDX: the real question is, can you take it if things are broken? :)03:59
MikeDXwell thats the thing isnt it... how broken is it?04:00
savvasMikeDX: wait until tomorrow, the release candidate is due october 11th04:00
MikeDXcool i'll do that04:00
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savvasMikeDX: it depends, for laptops there are a lot of people complaining04:00
MikeDXim about to build a new system04:00
I-hate-xpsavvas: still no luck04:01
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savvasI-hate-xp: the graphical interface doesn't show? does it point out any errors?04:02
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I-hate-xpsavvas: doesn't show04:02
I-hate-xpsavvas: silence04:02
I-hate-xpsavvas: silently04:03
savvasI-hate-xp: do: uname -r04:03
I-hate-xp2.6.22-14-38604:03
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savvasI-hate-xp: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-38604:04
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PiciI-hate-xp: why are you running 386 and not generic?04:04
savvasdon't confuse him, his card isn't still working, one step at a time :P04:05
I-hate-xpsavvas: running apt-get .............04:06
savvasI-hate-xp: is it installing it?04:06
I-hate-xpsavvas: yes04:06
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I-hate-xp linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-38604:07
savvasyep04:07
savvasI-hate-xp: after that: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart04:07
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I-hate-xp16.7M. i have a slow connection, so still installing.........04:07
savvasno probs04:08
savvas:)04:08
savvaslet's hope this works though04:08
I-hate-xpsavvas: btw, how to copy&paste to putty??04:08
savvasuh...04:08
savvasyou're doing this in putty?!04:09
I-hate-xpsavvas: i am using xp/putty, ubuntu/installing04:09
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savvasargh04:09
benzonIs there any one that got Experience with emerald on Gutsy?04:09
savvasI-hate-xp: for the love of.. how were you expecting to see a graphical user interface with putty?! plug the monitor to ubuntu!04:10
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benzonI-hate-xp, Jesus use VNC if you want to the the desktop and remote controle your computer04:10
I-hate-xpsavvas: don't worry, the ubutu box is just by my side, i can see everything , with my reach04:11
I-hate-xpwithin my reach.04:11
savvasah good04:11
savvasbut I still prefer the tty/console to be from there04:11
I-hate-xpsavvas: if it shows graphical, i won't miss it.04:11
savvasI-hate-xp: when you give out the gdm restart command, do it from the ubuntu machine04:12
I-hate-xpsavvas: sure, i see04:12
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addosdoes anyone know why the ubuntu splash screen in gutsy is a lower resolution than the one in feisty?04:13
I-hate-xpsavvas: say, where is the bullet-proof X?04:14
I-hate-xpsavvas: if such a thing exists, i shouldn't have such fuss.04:14
I-hate-xpsavvas: did i miss it?04:15
MikeDXuhm04:15
MikeDXdid i just hear that correctly?04:15
MikeDXx over putty? :|04:15
Lukemy girlfriend is running gutsy and every time she updates some packages (i'm not sure which) her X stops working because of sync/resolution problems. she's got a dell inspiron laptop w/ ati graphics04:16
nemo_workPici: soo, any chance it'll make it into next week's release? I can be patient a week :)04:16
savvasI-hate-xp: what bullet-proof X?04:16
MikeDXLuke, I have that but only with kernel upgrades04:16
LukeMikeDX: that could potentially be the problems04:17
savvasI-hate-xp: if you want bullet-proof.. what are you doing in BETA? :)04:17
MikeDXLuke usually its a gfx card driver reinstall because of the kernel module compatibility04:17
LukeMikeDX: What fixed the problem once when I was changing the default res to 800x60004:17
MikeDXhow strange04:18
I-hate-xpsavvas: hoho, just a guess04:18
I-hate-xpsavvas: done with the module installation.04:19
savvasthe thing is, one you can't use a driver, you have to reconfigure the xserver-xorg04:19
savvasI-hate-xp: ok, now naturally and not through ssh: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart04:19
addosis there any easy way to download all of the source for a particular ubuntu release, without having to grab individual pieces?04:19
MikeDXI-hate-xp: are you doing this in a vm?04:19
savvasLuke: do you remember the reconfigure command? dpkg --configure ?04:21
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MikeDXis dpkg-reconfigure an alias for dpkg --configure?04:21
I-hate-xpMikeDX: no.04:21
I-hate-xpMikeDX: in a real machine04:22
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savvasah, thanks MikeDX  ;)04:22
Lukesavvas: I think you mean dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?04:22
savvascorrect, Luke04:22
Lukeyea I've used that04:22
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LjLhi, on starting Kubuntu, apport informed me that kdeinit crashed, but that there was not enough free memory to send a report: http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5691/kdeinitcrashqp3.png - this is what 'free' and 'ps aux' have to say on the issue: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40159/ - it would seem to me that apache might be the problem, perhaps04:22
savvasI-hate-xp: how's it going?04:23
I-hate-xpsavvas: odd, "there already appears to be an X server running on display 0 , blah blah "04:24
MikeDXthat'll be /etc/init.d/gdm restart that did that04:25
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I-hate-xpsavvas: where should i shoot?04:26
I-hate-xpsavvas: reboot?04:26
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savvasI-hate-xp: try, but this time use: sudo shutdown -r now04:26
savvasI never tried sudo reboot before04:26
MikeDXyou shouldnt ever have to reboot.. unless you are doing a kernel upgrade (and even thats debatable)04:26
MikeDXsudo reboot works i think04:26
dfgas_k, when gnome boots up, and i try to load ekiga it doesn't show up, but if i goto console and ps aux it shows it running, so if i kill it and re run it again it shows up then. any ideas?04:27
I-hate-xpsavvas: ok04:27
I-hate-xpsavvas: rebooting.........04:27
savvascross your fingers04:28
savvas(works for me :P)04:28
I-hate-xpsavvas: btw, i also add 256M memory when replacing the old nvidia card. does it affect the whole thing?04:28
savvasit shouldn't04:29
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savvasif you get to load the kernel, the memory shouldn't play a big part04:29
I-hate-xpsavvas: still no graphic desktop.04:29
savvasargh04:29
savvasI-hate-xp: any errors?04:29
apothusexit04:29
I-hate-xpsavvas: it blinked for 3 times, then fell to silence....04:30
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savvasapothus: the door to the left ;)04:30
savvasI-hate-xp: no errors? no blue screen telling you it failed to do something?04:31
PiciI'm wondering why bulletproof-x isnt coming up04:31
I-hate-xpsavvas: i can feel that it struggled,04:31
I-hate-xpsavvas: no blue, just dark screen. i am using an old monitor, philips 105s04:31
savvaswell I can feel that something's broken04:32
albert23Whoopie: ping uswsusp04:32
savvasI-hate-xp: do this (no ssh): sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg04:32
bazhangalbert23: you did the patch?04:32
I-hate-xpsavvas: can you figure out what are necessary to motivate a nvidia card?04:33
savvasI-hate-xp: when it's time to select drivers for the card, select "nv"04:33
albert23bazhang: yes I did. But now I have a problem: my swap is not recognized anymore04:33
I-hate-xpsavvas: ok, i will do it04:33
bazhangalbert23: wow. so that is a real show-stopper bug then04:33
savvasI-hate-xp: I have no idea :\ the modules should help load it up04:33
albert23bazhang: possibly, I'll try on motu04:34
Whoopiealbert23: hi04:35
Whoopiealbert23: is the swap correctly set in /etc/uswsusp.conf ?04:35
albert23Whoopie: It looks like uswsusp killd my swap device. I had swap recognized, but now not anymore04:36
albert23Whoopie: the swap was in uswsusp correcly04:36
Whoopieso no swap with "free" ?04:36
albert23/var/log/syslog:Oct 10 16:10:35 BTO kernel: [   56.749506]  Unable to find swap-space signature04:36
albert23before 16.10 it was recognized04:37
Whoopiealbert23: did you resume successfully or not?04:37
Whoopiealbert23: could you do "sudo mkswap /dev/sdaXXX", reboot and try again?04:37
albert23With uswsusp the hibernate seemed successfull, but resume was just a normal reboot04:37
savvasI-hate-xp: hang in there :)04:38
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albert23without uswsusp I got warned I did not have swap04:38
Whoopiealbert23: ok, and to "sudo update-initramfs -k 2.6.22-14-generic" -c"04:39
Whoopies/to/do04:39
I-hate-xpsavvas: done reconfigure04:39
albert23Another point: when installing uswsusp, it regenerated all my initrd versions. When I removed it, it only regenerated the last initrd04:39
I-hate-xpsavvas: then?04:39
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Whoopiealbert23: you already deinstalled?04:39
albert23Sure04:39
bushwakkomy intel hda isn't working in gutsy04:39
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bushwakkoI have all the devices and everything04:40
bushwakkoeverything seems fine04:40
bushwakkojust there is no sound04:40
bushwakkoI have set all available channels to max04:40
albert23Just to see if hibernate would work correctly without uswsusp. I can re-install uswsusp without problem04:40
MTecknologywhy can't I get screen brightness to work? :(04:40
MTecknologyI can't think of anything else to try04:40
Whoopiealbert23: would be great if you installed again and try the steps above.04:40
Whoopiesorry for the typos04:40
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SeanConneryis there some reason I have 659 updates for gutsy?04:41
albert23Whoopie: so first the mkswap, then reboot and install uswsusp again?04:41
I-hate-xpsavvas: hi, there?04:41
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Whoopiealbert23: yes, and after Installing, regenerate the initramfs.04:42
albert23Whoopie: but uswsusp regenerated the initrd itself. Was that not enough?04:43
I-hate-xpsavvas: ok, i succeed,04:43
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I-hate-xpsavvas: thanks, i see the desktop again.....  1000*1000 thanks04:43
savvasI-hate-xp: great04:43
MikeDX:\04:43
savvasI-hate-xp: not done yet :)04:44
I-hate-xpsavvas: oh?04:44
I-hate-xpsavvas: guide me04:44
savvasI-hate-xp: login, go to the system > administration > restricted drivers manager04:44
savvasI-hate-xp: enable the driver there04:44
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I-hate-xpsavvas: hey, i don't see the section as > restricted drivers manager04:45
I-hate-xpsavvas: how to add it?04:45
savvasI-hate-xp: serious?04:45
naliothanybody have udevd taking 100% cpu on startup?  i kill it and restart it and it behaves after that04:46
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savvasI-hate-xp: in a terminal type: gksu restricted-manager04:46
I-hate-xpsavvas: yes, serious04:46
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MTecknologyAnybody want to help me figure out why screen brightness works in 7.04 but not 7.10?04:46
savvasI-hate-xp: does it come up?04:47
I-hate-xpsavvas: no. it looks like i don't have the package installed.04:47
I-hate-xp savvas : install it now?04:47
savvasI-hate-xp: sudo apt-get install --reinstall restricted-manager restricted-manager-core04:48
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albert23Whoopie: mkswap changed the uuid, need another reboot04:48
savvasI-hate-xp: are you using ubuntu 7.10 gutsy gibbon beta or something else?04:48
I-hate-xpgutsy beta04:49
I-hate-xpsavvas: installation done04:49
savvaswell don't get me wrong but someone must've played with it04:49
savvasI-hate-xp: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop04:49
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PiciI-hate-xp: kubuntu or ubuntu?04:50
avuI just tried downloading the gutsy beta and can't find the image on any mirror. (e.g. http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/ - as linked on http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta)04:50
avuwhere shall I look instead?04:50
I-hate-xpsavvas: ubuntu.  i have seen the restricted driver manager and enabled the driver.04:51
I-hate-xpsavvas: is that all?04:51
savvasI-hate-xp: you should restart04:51
savvasI-hate-xp: well.. do you want to install the -generic kernel ?04:51
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I-hate-xpsavvas: advantages?04:51
savvasI-hate-xp: probably none, but it's more acceptable, I think the other kernel images will be "fading"04:52
knofihi, i don`t know wether im right here, but i have a problem with cups...04:52
knofii tried the hal-backend an got this error-message:04:53
knofiUnknown "/usr/lib/cups/backend/hal failed"04:53
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I-hate-xpsavvas: installing the ubuntu-desktop04:53
knofiwhat does it mean and how can i make it work?04:53
MTecknology_there's a spelling error in the topic04:54
I-hate-xpsavvas: one question, i upgrade from 7.04, how come that i don't have ubuntu-desktop installed?04:54
MTecknology_s/than/then04:54
savvasI-hate-xp:  :) that means that you removed it while installing something, someone was playing with your apt packages04:54
bazhang:}04:54
bazhangMTecknology_: nice eye!04:54
I-hate-xpsavvas: someone? hacker?? so frightening04:54
savvasI-hate-xp: well it could be either you, or a package from third party repository sources04:55
I-hate-xpsavvas: it seems compiz is not working04:55
savvasor a hacker, why not :p04:55
savvasI-hate-xp: did you restart?04:56
MTecknologyanybody in here able to change the topic?04:56
I-hate-xpsavvas: i believe in its security. i thought no hacker could break into my system.04:56
I-hate-xpsavvas: not yet, installing the desktop package04:56
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sniperjamhi, ive got a weird ubuntu problem04:57
MTecknologysniperjam, as do many others04:57
sniperjamlaptop screen ggot replaced, now the titlebars are massive, it's like that on livecds as well04:57
sniperjamit is at native resolution04:58
avatar_you got an laptop screen with an lower native resolution back?04:58
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sniperjamno, the screen is the same res04:59
sniperjameverything is the same except for the title bars of windows04:59
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sniperjamim thinking it might be a slightly different model of screen?04:59
MTecknology!ops | Topic: s/than/then05:00
ubotuTopic: s/than/then: Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici05:00
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PiciMTecknology: ...05:00
LjL...05:00
AmaranthNot. Cool.05:00
MTecknologysorry, I couldn't find anyone05:00
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AmaranthSo ignore it, jeez05:00
LjLMTecknology: i thought you know when !ops is supposed to be used05:00
PiciMTecknology: You said you would go to -ops about it, not !ops05:00
MTecknologysorry05:01
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I-hate-xpsavvas: done with desktop installation, rebooting05:01
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Hobbseeidiot.05:01
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MTecknologysorry....05:01
Amaranthsniperjam: This is a bug between Xorg, libmetacity, and compiz05:01
I-hate-xpsavvas: more guidance?05:02
sniperjamso it's a known problem?05:02
Amaranthsniperjam: specifically, when libmetacity is used by compiz to draw the window decorations it seems to ignore GNOME's DPI override05:02
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Hobbseenot like it's worth pinging ~10 people about something of likely importance, when i'ts just a topic change.  sheesh.05:02
Amaranthsniperjam: Only on a small number of intel systems iirc05:02
sniperjamok05:02
Amaranthsniperjam: And only if your xorg.conf is not setup correctly05:02
sniperjamthis is both from a install where i havent changed xorg.conf and from a live cd05:03
sniperjami'm tryingg fesity now05:03
sniperjamlive cd05:03
AmaranthYes well I didn't say the install setup xorg.conf correctly05:03
AmaranthIn this case it can't, your monitor isn't giving enough info05:03
sniperjamok05:03
AmaranthWhich would explain why having the screen replaced would suddenly make this happen05:03
sniperjamok yes i get it05:04
savvasI-hate-xp: yes, update regularly :)05:04
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sniperjamany idea if it will be fixed it gutsy final?05:04
savvasI-hate-xp: if it's a kernel image wait for a day05:04
I-hate-xpsavvas: odd thing is that before reboot, i choose tty8 to display the "GDM Restart". after reboot, it again becomes dark screen, no desktop again05:04
Amaranthsniperjam: It won't05:04
sniperjamama: or could i just disable compiz?05:04
Amaranthsniperjam: Actually if you disable compiz then reenable it the problem goes away05:05
sniperjamah ok, thanks:D05:05
AmaranthUntil your next reboot/logout05:05
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sniperjambut if i disable compiz will it go away for ever?05:05
Amaranthyeah05:05
sniperjamok thanks05:05
savvasI-hate-xp: apt-cache show policy linux-restricted-modules-common05:05
I-hate-xpsavvas: remember " appears to be an ...running on display :0"? it suggests using higher(ctrl+alt+f8) to display05:06
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savvasI-hate-xp: try: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade05:07
I-hate-xpwhere should i paste the output??05:07
Pici!paste | I-hate-xp05:08
ubotuI-hate-xp: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)05:08
I-hate-xpsavvas: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40162/05:09
savvasI-hate-xp: try: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade05:10
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I-hate-xpsavvas: yes, updating05:10
savvasI-hate-xp: any packages with linux- inside ?05:10
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I-hate-xpsavvas: wait.......05:11
I-hate-xpsavvas: my speed is slow, net05:11
savvassure ok05:11
I-hate-xpsavvas: i also run putty over ssh05:11
I-hate-xpsavvas: linux-headers-2.6.22-1405:12
savvasI-hate-xp: no problem here, as far as you do gdm restart and dpkg-reconfigure naturally :)05:12
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I-hate-xpsavvas: linux- ===linux-headers-2.6.22-14 ??05:13
I-hate-xpsavvas: is that what we are looking for?05:13
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I-hate-xpsavvas: generic. 18.6M05:14
savvasI-hate-xp: generic?05:15
I-hate-xpsavvas: yes05:15
savvasweird05:15
savvasI-hate-xp: when it's done, do: sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic05:16
savvasI'll tell you how to remove the unnecessary ones later05:17
I-hate-xpsavvas: ok.05:17
I-hate-xp3 minutes more05:17
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I-hate-xpthank you for help all through05:19
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savvasn/p this was my problem back in edgy :)05:19
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I-hate-xpu prefer generic?05:20
I-hate-xpsavvas: i am using celeron 1.7G. is there an i686 for its better performance?05:21
savvasI have generic05:21
Pici!generic05:21
ubotuBackground to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)05:21
PiciMost people are using generic05:21
I-hate-xpPici: oh, i see the point now05:22
I-hate-xpsavvas: "sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic " asks me to downloading 117M!! downloading.05:23
I-hate-xpsavvas: ...........05:23
I-hate-xpsavvas: i got rather confused with above mentioned/downloaded/updated packages05:24
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I-hate-xpsavvas: looks so alike, but  different.05:25
contrast83Pici: I always wondered about what that "-generic" meant (with Ubuntu being my first distro). Thanks for the info. :-)05:25
PiciYep, np05:25
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quigzso how many bugs are left now?05:26
savvasI-hate-xp: if you want to, if you don't, we'll continue with -386 for now05:26
I-hate-xpsavvas: i choose generic for now05:27
I-hate-xpi am convinced05:27
savvasok05:27
I-hate-xp91%05:30
I-hate-xpreplacing ...05:31
I-hate-xpRunning depmod.05:31
I-hate-xpupdate-initramfs:05:32
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savvasI-hate-xp: after that is done: cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep "title"05:33
I-hate-xphttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40166/05:33
I-hate-xphttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40167/05:34
I-hate-xpsavvas: comments?05:35
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MattJCan anyone explain why the other machines on my LAN are now called foohostname.local instead of foohostname?05:36
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lemsx2MattJ: cat /etc/resolv.conf has "domain local" ?05:37
lemsx2MattJ: or perhaps your /etc/hostname ? (and check /etc/hosts)05:37
prakritiwhen i print, i get two printer icons and only one shows print jobs05:37
MattJNo mention of "local" in any of them05:38
savvasI-hate-xp: apt-cache policy linux-generic05:38
lemsx2MattJ: are you using avahi (I guess that's the default nowadaways)05:38
savvasI-hate-xp: what's the server you're using?05:38
MattJYes, it is in Gutsy by default afaik05:38
MattJBut I thought it was in Feisty too05:39
I-hate-xpsavvas: what server??05:39
lemsx2MattJ: personally I like the .local stuff (MacOSX and Windows both use them)05:39
I-hate-xp500 http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/restricted Packages05:39
MattJlemsx2: Ok, I didn't know05:40
I-hate-xpsavvas: official european sourse05:40
savvasI-hate-xp: ok, wait a sec05:40
MattJlemsx2: I don't mind it either, it makes sense. I just wasn't sure why the change (and it took a minute to figure out what had happened to my other PCs on the network)05:40
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savvasI-hate-xp: do you know how to boot to a different kernel when you reboot?05:41
I-hate-xppress ESC when grup load05:42
savvasI-hate-xp: yep, great! you will select 2.6.22-14-generic05:42
I-hate-xpsavvas: or, edit menu.list05:42
I-hate-xpsavvas: reboot now??05:42
savvasI-hate-xp: yep05:42
kevlar_How do you install grub on a particular hard drive....it installed it on the HD0 , I need it on HD205:43
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jewbileecan anyone recommend a good media player for music?05:43
savvaskevlar_: at the end of the installation in the livecd there's an "advanced" button05:43
kevlar_Problem 1, problem 2, when I run the grub the screen goes blank, but when I run RECOVERY, I can "init 5" and it starts up X like nothing was wrong...05:43
kevlar_savvas, well, Im past that point, Im in...I need to change it from within...05:44
kevlar_Im running GG 64bit05:44
savvaskevlar_: maybe grub-install05:45
savvasot sure05:45
savvas*not sure05:45
kevlar_Something is wrong between grub and login....when I run recovery and init 5 no problem. but after grub it goes blank05:45
kevlar_yes05:45
kevlar_it is grub-install05:45
kevlar_but I dont know the command05:45
gnomefreak!grub05:46
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto05:46
savvasUsage: grub-install [OPTION]  install_device05:46
savvasInstall GRUB on your drive.05:46
kevlar_right05:46
kevlar_so how does the text look for that?05:46
kevlar_grub-install (hd2)05:46
kevlar_?05:46
savvasUsage: grub-install [OPTION]  install_device05:47
savvasInstall GRUB on your drive.05:47
savvasoops05:47
savvashttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto#head-62dd4ea50c42fb3113752a272d7100469d73366805:47
savvashttp://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-using-grub_002dinstall.html#Installing-GRUB-using-grub_002dinstall05:48
kevlar_websites?05:48
I-hate-xpsavvas: sorry, rebooted, no desktop05:48
I-hate-xpsavvas: just like before.05:48
kevlar_ahhh the second site has it05:49
savvasI-hate-xp: sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-38605:50
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I-hate-xpsavvas: purged05:52
savvasI-hate-xp: sudo update-grub05:52
savvasI-hate-xp: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx05:53
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I-hate-xphttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40170/05:53
sparsecSo, anyone knows whether rt2500 with WPA is working in gutsy? Is it safe to upgrade now, with respect to it?05:54
savvasgnomefreak: do you know if geforce4 mx440 cards use nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy ?05:54
I-hate-xpdone with grub05:54
Dr_willissavvas,  i belive those are glx-Legacy05:55
databuddysavvas lol@hostname05:55
databuddyer05:55
Dr_willissavvas,  i looked at that list just the other day for another guy. :)05:55
databuddyI-hate-xp lol@nick XD05:55
savvasheh :p05:55
kevlar_Why is he reinstalling nvidia?05:55
savvasDr_willis: you know the list?05:55
savvaskevlar_: long story05:55
I-hate-xpsavvas: done with glx05:55
kevlar_k05:55
kevlar_I updated the kernel too, will I need to do that?05:56
Dr_willissavvas,  i got to it from the !nvidia factoud.. followed a link to the actual nvdia info.. then that site had a actuial link to the Nvidia page..05:56
I-hate-xpdatabuddy: lol05:56
savvas!nvidia05:56
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto05:56
Dr_willissome of these factoids need cleaning up. :)05:56
savvashttp://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html05:56
pvandewyngaerde!gnash05:56
ubotuAn open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/05:56
savvas'ere we go05:56
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mweichertWhenever I upgrade libxml2 to 2.6.30.dfsg-2ubuntu1, most of my gnome apps break05:57
mweichertand I'm forced to downgrade05:57
mweichertso I thought I'd pop in here and see if anyone else was having issues?05:57
savvasGeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X 0x018105:58
savvasGeForce4 MX 440 0x017105:58
savvasnvidia-glx :)05:58
databuddyBelow are the legacy GPUs that are no longer supported in the unified driver. These GPUs will continue to be maintained through the special legacy NVIDIA GPU driver releases. >> several geforce405:58
databuddyheh  and there's the riva tnt2 my roomate has :P05:59
savvasdatabuddy: "The 1.0-96xx driver supports the following set of GPUs:"05:59
databuddysavvas geforce4 not listed under the -6905:59
savvasI-hate-xp: ok, now no ssh: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart05:59
databuddy96***05:59
databuddyarg06:00
databuddyi mean that 1.0-71xx doesnt list em06:00
databuddythe 96 does06:00
databuddycrap im just waking up06:00
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savvasnvidia-glx (which corresponds to the 96xx driver)06:00
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savvasok:p06:00
savvaswe solved that piece of the puzzle06:00
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savvasI-hate-xp: no graphical desktop interface?06:01
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I-hate-xpsavvas: no. same error" appear to be an .....running"06:02
Dr_willisWowsers - Im on Strike..06:03
savvasI-hate-xp: try this: sudo nvidia-installer --help06:03
savvasI-hate-xp: does it say command not found?06:04
I-hate-xphelp available06:04
savvasgah06:05
savvasI-hate-xp: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx06:05
savvaswhat's the output?06:05
savvasI-hate-xp: did you install an nvidia driver from the nvidia website or use a program called envy ?06:06
I-hate-xpsavvas: no env06:06
savvasis that, no, I used envy, or no, I used the driver from nvidia.com? :p06:07
I-hate-xpsudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx says : remove glx06:07
qzioanyone but me that has problem with dimming the screen, suspend on laptop lid close etc?06:07
I-hate-xpi don't use envy06:07
savvasok06:07
qzioit works .. "sometime" where sometime is at unknown kernel etc. because of the gutsy-updates all the time.06:08
qzioam i doing something wrong? or is it beta-bugs?06:08
qziooh, im on a macbook btw06:08
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savvasI-hate-xp: paste me the whole output please06:08
Dr_willis!upgrade06:08
ubotuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes06:08
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-ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu+1] Please read the topic. Especially if things are broken!07:27
(I-hate-xp/#ubuntu+1) savvas: reading? for composing essays?07:27
(savvas/#ubuntu+1) I-hate-xp: blog posting :)07:27
(I-hate-xp/#ubuntu+1) oh, i see .07:28
I-hate-xpthis card got me07:29
savvaslook, if everything fails, at least we know that "nv" works :P07:30
savvasa clean install of the ubuntu should do it, but I wouldn't suggest it right now, since release candidate is tomorrow07:30
I-hate-xpsavvas: yes.07:31
I-hate-xpdowload done07:31
savvasI-hate-xp: do you have a separate /home partition? guess not07:31
savvasI-hate-xp: ok, sudo sh it07:31
I-hate-xpyes, i have07:31
savvassudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-71.86.01-pkg1.run07:32
Konamlaunchpad is off here07:32
savvasKonam: works here07:32
savvasKonam: try www.live.com :p07:32
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I-hate-xpsavvas: i have separate /home07:33
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I-hate-xpsavvas: this one seems rights, so far so good07:33
savvasI-hate-xp: great, then if this installer fails, you can try install ubuntu again and format the / (root) partition07:33
I-hate-xpsavvas: no, i won't do that. don't give up07:34
I-hate-xpinstallation complete07:34
savvas!07:34
savvasseriously? :)07:34
savvasgreat07:34
savvasI-hate-xp: reboot the machine07:34
I-hate-xp Please update your XF86Config or   xorg.conf file as appropriate;07:35
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I-hate-xp see the file   /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README for details.07:35
I-hate-xpit says that .07:35
I-hate-xp reboot now??07:35
savvasI-hate-xp: can you edit manually as before with nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and make it point to "nv" ?07:35
I-hate-xpsavvas: yes i can, but why back to nv??07:36
savvasI-hate-xp: so that it doesn't load the nvidia driver07:36
I-hate-xpwe just installed, why don't we load it?07:36
savvasit's meant to be removed07:37
savvasthis is the driver for the old card07:37
nikolajanyone how have problem with Nvidia driver?07:37
savvasI want to remove all the files that are leftovers from before07:37
I-hate-xpsavvas: so , to "nv " now?07:37
savvasI-hate-xp: yes, Driver "nv"07:37
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I-hate-xpthen reboot?07:37
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savvasI-hate-xp: yep07:37
nikolajwhat kind of Nvidia card07:37
I-hate-xpnikolaj: geforce4 mx 44007:38
nikolajhttp://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html07:39
savvasNO07:39
savvasno envy07:39
nikolajWhy07:39
Picinoooo07:39
nikolajit is work07:39
nikolajing07:39
I-hate-xpthat site is blocked from China07:39
Pici!envy | nikolaj07:39
ubotunikolaj: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!07:39
nikolajThat did not work for me07:40
I-hate-xpsavvas: nv works ,and i see desktop now.07:40
I-hate-xpsavvas: gnome07:40
savvasI-hate-xp: ok, do this now: sudo nvidia-installer --uninstall07:41
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Matiranyone know why certain regions of an opengl app would flicker under compiz?  for example, where my 3d app is over my gkrellm, it flickers white07:41
I-hate-xpsavvas: so heart-breaking to see it goes again.........07:41
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savvasI-hate-xp: don't worry, I think I have a backup plan07:41
savvasI-hate-xp: the nv driver has nothing to do with nvidia driver :) you'll still have the desktop07:42
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I-hate-xpsavvas: ok,07:42
I-hate-xpsavvas: doing........07:42
savvasI-hate-xp: tell me if it gives you any warning or error07:43
ba5ehey, i'm getting a "direct rendering: No" with an ATI x1950Pro, but compiz fusion is working....how do I fix this? Im using the reps driver for ati07:43
atiredmachineHey, since I installed Gusty GIbbon I'm having a weird screen resolution problem where sometimes when I boot up my desktop looks mostly normal, but if I move my mouse to the right or down edge of the screen my desktop moves sideways and I see it is surrounded by black on those edges.07:43
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I-hate-xpsavvas: no error, completed07:44
ba5e2 questions at once! wow07:44
savvasI-hate-xp: great, restart the machine again07:44
I-hate-xpsavvas: yes?07:45
savvasba5e: from the restricted drivers manager?07:45
atiredmachineany ideas, anybody? if I go to Screen Resolution Preferences it is set at 1920x1200 (instead of 1440x900 like its supposed to), but it won't let me change it.07:45
I-hate-xpsavvas: using nv?? to boot again?07:45
savvasI-hate-xp: yes07:45
I-hate-xpsavvas: ok.07:45
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I-hate-xpsavvas: rebooting..........07:46
savvasI-hate-xp: I want to be as clean removal as possible, hence the reboot07:46
I-hate-xpsavvas: flawlessly, to gnome again07:46
savvasI-hate-xp: ok now: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx07:46
marfiwhen i boot up, the network monitor usedto show up in running tasks. it decided to stop comming up, and now it is that many more clicks for me to connect to an access point. anyone know the name of the process?07:46
ba5esavvas: I believe so07:47
marfiit recently happened since i was running gutsy07:47
savvasba5e: don't believe, did you check it from system > administration > restricted drivers manager? :)07:47
I-hate-xpsavvas: installing glx..........07:48
ba5ewierd, I have xorg-driver-fglrx and xserver-xorg-video-ati installed.....could that be the problem savvas?07:48
savvasI-hate-xp: ok, after that: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable07:48
savvasba5e: probably07:48
ba5ewhich one should I have?07:49
savvasba5e: I've no idea, I'm using nvidia myself :)07:49
savvasany ATI users here? :D07:49
I-hate-xpsavvas: done07:49
Dr_willisi got a few of each07:49
savvasI-hate-xp: great, reboot :)07:49
I-hate-xpsavvas: reboot again??07:49
savvasI-hate-xp: yes!07:50
Dr_willisand do it right this time., :)07:50
savvaslol07:50
I-hate-xpsavvas: too many reboots today, more than a normal year07:50
Dr_willisShout "Reboooooooooooot!" when you do it.07:50
savvasI-hate-xp: no offense, but as I said, I want it as clean as possible07:50
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I-hate-xpsavvas: ok, understand,07:51
I-hate-xpi back u07:51
I-hate-xpsecond u07:51
Milos_SDWill Gutsy Gibon have 2.6.23 or 2.6.22 kernel?07:51
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savvasMilos_SD: verovatno 22-15 :)07:51
I-hate-xpsavvas: ok, now?07:52
savvasI-hate-xp: you're in gnome?07:52
I-hate-xpsavvas: yes07:52
savvasI-hate-xp: glxinfo | grep rendering07:52
I-hate-xp unable to open display07:53
I-hate-xpi have a notice popup right up corner in gnome07:54
I-hate-xpsavvas: ??07:55
Milos_SDsavvas, da li ce da ima CFS patch onda barem? Mada, mogu da stave i 2.6.23, izasao je pre dva dana, a jos uvek nije bio kernel freeze..07:55
Milos_SD:)07:55
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savvasI-hate-xp: what notice?07:57
I-hate-xpsavvas: something XGL changed, etc07:57
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savvasI-hate-xp: no ssh: glxinfo | grep rendering07:58
prakrition my lappy i had compiz-fusion working great in feisty w/ trevino's repositories07:59
savvasin a gnome terminal07:59
prakritibut now with gutsy I seem to have lost direct rendering07:59
prakritidirect rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)07:59
prakritiOpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect07:59
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prakritiwhat might I do to try and fix it07:59
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prakritiits an i915 chipset07:59
prakriti[   15.348000]  agpgart: Detected an Intel 915GM Chipset.07:59
savvasprakriti: try from restricted drivers manager, uncheck the driver and check it again and reboot08:00
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prakritiits a restricted driver?08:00
I-hate-xpsavvas: could not find RGB GLX visual08:00
prakritisince when?08:00
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prakritiit doesn't show up there08:01
I-hate-xpsavvas: XLib: extension GLX missing on display 0:008:01
savvasprakriti: ah sorry, you're using intel, my bad, don't know :)08:01
prakriti:)08:01
prakritiits col08:01
prakriticool08:01
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savvasI-hate-xp: go to the restricted drivers manager08:01
I-hate-xpsavvas: ok08:02
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savvasI-hate-xp: is the driver checked and in use ?08:02
I-hate-xpsavvas: not in use08:02
savvasum..08:02
savvasI-hate-xp: check it08:02
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I-hate-xpsavvas: needs reboot08:03
savvasI-hate-xp: I'll have to go in 5 minutes, sorry :\08:03
savvasI-hate-xp: do it08:03
I-hate-xpsavvas: ok,08:03
I-hate-xpsavvas: hope settle it with the last reboot08:04
savvasme too08:04
I-hate-xpsavvas: so, restricted driver != 7186??08:04
savvasI-hate-xp: no, the geforce4 mx is using 96xx driver08:05
savvasit boots in gnome? :\08:05
I-hate-xpsavvas: dark screen again.08:05
savvasgah08:06
savvasI-hate-xp: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx08:06
I-hate-xpsavvas: i remember long ago when playing with emerald, i add an xgl session to gnome. doesn't affect this?08:06
I-hate-xpsavvas: ok08:06
savvasI-hate-xp: sudo killall -9 gdm && sudo killall -9 Xorg08:07
savvasI-hate-xp: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the driver to Driver "nv"08:07
I-hate-xpsavvas: ok08:08
I-hate-xpback to nv and wait for the final version to arrive? 7.1008:08
savvasI-hate-xp: hopefully that will work08:08
savvasI-hate-xp: if you want to test the nvidia driver directly, you can try: wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/96.43.01/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run08:09
I-hate-xpdone with nano08:09
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I-hate-xpsavvas: should i reboot or go straightly to 96.43?08:10
savvasI-hate-xp: straight if you want to try it08:10
I-hate-xpafter 96.43 then?08:10
savvasI-hate-xp: sudo sh NV...08:11
I-hate-xpthen ?08:11
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savvasI-hate-xp: sudo nvidia-xconfig08:11
savvasI-hate-xp: then reboot08:11
I-hate-xpok08:11
I-hate-xp9643 supports gf4 Mx440?08:12
savvasI-hate-xp: then if it falls dark again: sudo nvidia-installer --uninstall and after that reboot, change the driver to "nv" again and reboot once more08:12
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savvasyes08:12
savvasnvidia-glx = 96xx08:12
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I-hate-xpsavvas: ok.08:12
savvasI'm out, I hope it works08:12
I-hate-xpbye, thanks08:13
savvasI-hate-xp: use "savvas:" and tell me what happens, I'd like to know, cheers :)08:13
Milos_SDI-hate-xp, I have GF4 MX, and 96.31 driver ...08:13
Milos_SDand it is working ...08:13
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I-hate-xpMilos_SD: email me your xorg.conf to gaoghy@gmail.com08:13
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gabbarinhohello08:15
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I-hate-xpsavvas: thx, i see.08:15
gabbarinhoso, is compiz fusion ready for prime time?08:15
Milos_SDI-hate-xp ... check your mail ...08:15
I-hate-xpMilos_SD: thx08:16
Dr_willisgabbarinho,  a few little issues here and there.. but over all - useable08:16
gabbarinhohow's performance?08:16
Dr_willisgabbarinho,  if you can avoide the eye-candy overload. :) its actually a little  bit helpfull performance wise08:16
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Dr_willismy 8800gtsxxx has no isssues with it. :)08:16
bastid_raZorE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) is just one of the errors i'm getting while trying to upgrade to gutsy08:17
gabbarinhoah :)08:17
Dr_willis6800 can do it decently well also.08:17
Dr_willissluggish on a few nvidia laptops ive seen. Dont work at all on my x200m ati laptop08:17
gabbarinhowell, I'm a relatively new ubuntu user, but I used a Mac until recently08:17
bastid_raZorapparently 14 packages had dependecy issues and are left unconfigured08:17
gabbarinhoobviously I loved the expose feature08:17
Dr_willisgabbarinho,  it has that feature i seen.. but never use it.  so not sure how it compares to the apple version08:18
gabbarinhohmm... well, I've got a Geforce 7950 on my desktop, so it should be fine there08:18
gabbarinhomy laptop's video might not cut it08:18
Dr_willisi  recall toying with it on apple once or twice. and did3ent see what was so great about the expose.  then again. I keep everything fullscreen and just alt-tab about08:18
Dr_willisOr with compiz - use Super-Tab :) looks purtier08:18
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gabbarinhowell, I used the F9 feature exclusively08:18
gabbarinhoyou know, the key that makes all the windows fit in one screen :)08:19
gabbarinhoit helped immensely with multitasking :)08:19
gabbarinhobut I guess compiz has that08:19
Dr_willisi dident see how it really helped. :) but i dont sit there watching 10+ 1/2 sized windows..08:20
gabbarinhoI spent 30 minutes watching all the youtube videos and I'm not sure which are the standard features and which are the plugins08:20
prakritihrm08:20
prakritiit seems glxgears crashes X :(08:20
Dr_willisEVERYTHING is a plugin. :)08:20
gabbarinhowell, I tend to have about 10 firefox windows open at any time08:20
prakritithe X logs say that direct rendering is enabled08:20
Dr_willisone thing about compiz - its tweakable.08:20
gabbarinhoah :)08:21
prakritibut glxinfo says it isn't08:21
bazhanggabbarinho: that's the scale effect, and it is much faster, at least with your desktop card--I have nearly the same one08:21
gabbarinhothen I guess some plugins are more mature and stable than others?08:21
prakritiand glxgears crash's x08:21
gabbarinhothat's great08:21
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gabbarinhoI would've been happy to have just the features similar to expose, but it seems compiz can do so much more08:21
riotkittieexpose <308:21
kRushwhat's the use to expose exaclty? besides looking cool08:22
gabbarinhowell, on a mac it's extremely useful08:22
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gabbarinhobecause you don't have a taskbar as in windows08:23
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gabbarinhoso if you've got many instances of the same application running, it's not convenient to choose between them without expose08:23
finalbetaif you use expose, you should use it to replace the taskbar. that's it is mighty fine08:23
ryancr_I just did an update and the new 14 kernel came in, now I cant' boot into it. I get udev-event: '/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit   any ideas?08:24
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riotkittieryancr_: were the 14 kernel modules downloaded?08:24
Dr_williswhats going to be scary - a year or so from now - after everyone has made up a dozen + plugins.. theres going to be so much eye candy for compiz08:24
riotkittie!stages08:24
ubotuThe Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.08:24
reversebladegnomefreak, hey08:25
riotkittieoh wait. thats not it is it.08:25
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riotkittieif its useful eye candy, i'm all for it.08:25
reversebladewhen I am using nvidia driver I am getting some temporary freezes08:25
Dr_willisfolding airplane minimizing windows = a must have.08:25
riotkittieor at least amusing useless eyecandy. <thinks back to desktop sheep on win95>08:25
gabbarinhoyeah, although I'm sure some will be more pretty than functional :)08:25
Dr_willisThe 'show window previews on the taskbar buttons' is handy feature for me. and wife likes the 'zoom08:26
bastid_raZorsheep heh08:26
Dr_willis feature.08:26
kRushso expose on mac is what plugin in compiz?08:26
ryancr_riotkittie: good question, let me check08:26
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Dr_willistheres a plugin called compiz08:26
Dr_williserr expose :)08:26
bazhangkRush: scale in compiz-fusion08:26
gabbarinhoi guess i'll find out which ones are useful for me through trial and error08:26
Dr_willisoh wait its 'expo'08:26
kling0nhmm anyone know why I can't load either kvm-intel or kvm-amd on an athlon xp 2200 ?08:26
gabbarinhodo you use the rotating cube?08:26
riotkittieexpo <308:27
bazhangnot expo, it's scale ;}08:27
gabbarinhoon first glance i have to say it didn't seem like something that would be extraordinarily useful08:27
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riotkittiescale is nice, too.08:27
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Dr_willisexpo shrinks all the desktops so they all show up on one screen.. interesting.. but not too handy. unless ya like it i guess.08:27
riotkittiei think the cube's only purpose is to fill my husband with envy as he slinks back to his xp box08:28
Dr_willisexp with my 2 wide screen monitors08:28
ryancr_riotkittie: yes it shows both the restricted-modules and the ubuntu-modules are installed for 2.6.22.-1408:28
gabbarinhowell, that's the thing - it's useful when you have limited screen real estate08:28
gabbarinhoit was a life saver on my 1024x768 powerbook08:28
Dr_williswhich 'scale' are we refering to?08:28
gabbarinhoessentially made the small screen "bigger"08:28
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gabbarinhospeaking of xp, i was surprised just how useless aero was08:29
bazhangscale shows all the open windows; you can then choose them from the backdrop.08:29
Dr_willisShift-Alt-up resizes all windows and spreads them out on the desktop it seems.. but i release the keys and it pops back :)08:29
riotkittiei like scale. it's better than switching to each desktop to find out if something needs attention.08:30
Dr_willisBy the times its drawn them all - i could of alt-tab'ed to  what i want. heh08:30
bazhangyou can configure that to do it with a corner of the screen as well.08:30
gabbarinhowell, that _sounds_ like expose08:30
riotkittieerr expo.08:30
Dr_willisriotkittie,  yea. i just use the one desktop with 2 wide screen monitors. I dont need a lot of them08:30
bazhangexactly like Mac expose08:30
riotkittieah. i have four.08:30
gabbarinhoyikes08:30
gabbarinhofour!08:30
basculewhat does mac expose do?08:30
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gabbarinhoit displays all the windows in one screen08:31
Dr_willisi actually have 4 desktops set.. but only got stuff on #108:31
gabbarinhoanother key brings up all the instances of a single program08:31
Dr_williswhen ya get multi monitors going. you can really alter your work habbits08:31
gabbarinhoi am sure08:31
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gabbarinhohow big are your monitors?08:31
riotkittiei hope i can get multimonitors going at some point. :|08:31
Dr_willisone 22 in, one 19in. :)08:32
gabbarinhowow08:32
basculeare laptop multi monitors easy to do, in-built and external?08:32
^Ocean^Okay, Im having a problem, I Can't log into Gnome, Or KDE Unless I loginto the Failsafe option.  Problem started after upgrade from Feisty, too Gutsy08:32
gabbarinhoI was thinking about upgrading to a single 22"08:32
gabbarinhoyes, it is08:32
Dr_willisi had single 22, then bought a new pc. that came with the 19. so i pluged it in also.08:32
kRushbtw is Snapping Windows plugin avoid snap modifier working for you guys?08:32
Dr_willisits my 'conky' screen :)08:32
Dr_willisand a few other apps on it.08:33
riotkittiei have a 17 and a 15. <weep>08:33
^Ocean^I love dual Display08:33
Dr_willisid like dual display IF some programs where not so STUPID about them08:33
gabbarinhoyeah, I can certainly see how a second monitor would be very useful08:33
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Dr_willisone or few apps can really annoy ya with their braindeadness. :)08:33
^Ocean^I had a 19" LCD  Stop working on me, so i bought a 22" Wide lcd, then pluggin in my 19 for shits and gigles it decided to work again, now I run them both08:33
kling0nDr_willis: I just ordered my new 22" monitor :)08:33
gabbarinhoexamples, doc?08:33
riotkittiei tried getting my second monitor going under feisty... it did not go well  :|08:34
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Dr_willisgabbarinho,  last i noticed if ya take vmware and 'fullscreen' it - it decides to fullscreen across BOTH monitors08:34
Dr_willisputting the virtual machien right on the border.,08:34
^Ocean^riotkittie, What video card ?08:34
gabbarinhoah08:34
riotkittieati x300se :|08:34
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Dr_willisSongbird likes to pop up right in the middle also08:34
gabbarinhobtw, do you get an nvidia control panel with the ubuntu drivers like in windows?08:34
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Dr_williseven with just kde/gnome/ubuntu - some times a dialog pops up on the 2nd monitor when it should be on the 1st08:34
^Ocean^oh, no idea about ATI cards lol08:34
Dr_willisgabbarinho,  the nvidia tools have a similer tool. not as detailed.08:35
^Ocean^gabbarinho, You get somthing called nvidia-settings Does everything you need it too08:35
KonamAm I the only one who get this 'white slashes' on the window borders with compiz enabled nVidia card: http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3956/pantallazoml6.png08:35
Konamsomeone knows a workaround?08:35
gabbarinhothat's good to know08:35
atlefKonam:  yes i did08:36
^Ocean^Konam, You try a dif theme ?08:36
Konamatlef do you know a workaround? do you have an nvidia card?08:36
atlefbut haven'nt noticed it lately08:36
Konam^Ocean^ no I didn't08:36
^Ocean^Konam, They another theme,  make sure its not a Theme issue vs a compiz issue ?08:36
Konam^Ocean^ ok, I'll try another one08:37
^Ocean^that would the first thing i would try ahaha08:38
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Konam^Ocean^ I'm trying compiz now, I didn't thought about that08:38
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prakritiarrrggg08:42
prakritiXgl fails me :(08:42
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prakritiIf I load failsafe X then my direct rendering works.08:42
Konam^Ocean^ still happening :(08:43
^Ocean^HMM08:43
^Ocean^try playing with verious settings.. see if u can possibly narrow down the issue ?08:43
MTecknologyubuntu isn't picking up my scanner :(08:45
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TheInfinityanyone here who knows why the madwifi recommendations in forum dont work?08:46
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riotkittiewhat madwifi recommendations would they be?08:47
MTecknologyso... is there any slim chance anybody in here has a microtek scanmaker working with ubuntu?08:47
TheInfinityriotkittie: if my chipset is not supported i should look after ath in dmesg08:47
TheInfinityhttp://ubuntuusers.de/paste/15964/ <-- but ...08:48
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riotkittieTheInfinity: and the card's not showing in ifconfig ?08:51
TheInfinityriotkittie:08:51
TheInfinityno08:51
TheInfinityonly in lspci08:51
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riotkittiedoes modprobing ath_pci do anything?08:52
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TheInfinityno errormessage and now i have ...08:53
TheInfinity[  488.111319]  ath_hal: 0.9.18.0 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413)08:53
TheInfinity[  488.227269]  ath_pci: 0.9.4.5 (0.9.3.2)08:53
TheInfinityin dmesg08:54
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TheInfinitya wiki entry said that i have to use svn sources of madwifi to get it running - any chance to get it in gutsy (without recompiling the kernel with every update)?08:54
Konamhey, when gnome is loading it first start metacity and after that compiz, is kind of annoying, how can i set compiz to start first08:55
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Konam???08:55
Dr_willishow are you seeing this Konam ? ive never noticed it.08:55
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KonamDr_willis It happens08:56
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scoobydoo28139I would like to report that ubuntu seems to be ok on my system.Its a shuttle xpc ,amd 2.1ghz duel core, video card is 8500gt nvidia,2 gig ram in duel channel mode,865mhz08:57
scoobydoo28139Is there anything else i can do to help?08:58
flufflesHi. I loved the Beryl Manager in 7.04, with 7.10 there is compiz (compiz-fusion i guess?) but it only sports a compiz utility with only basic options.. beryl was so extensive... is all that gone now with the new fusion of the two projects?08:58
riotkittiefluffles: install compizconfig-settings-manager08:59
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flufflesi think thats what i have now08:59
gabbarinhohmm08:59
gabbarinhoyou don't have all the features shown here?08:59
gabbarinhohttp://lunapark6.com/compiz-fusion-052-preview.html08:59
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riotkittieoh god. in that case, i am glad to have not laid eyes on beryl's :o09:00
flufflesbut with the beryl thingy i could adjust the seconds an 'effect' takes.. with the compiz utility i can only select them like with checkboxes.. on or off..09:00
fluffleseye candy is fun!09:00
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flufflesif you go for OpenGL accelerated desktop effects then you should install the whole package :)09:00
flufflesalbeit a bit bloaty09:01
SuperLagAny of you guys having trouble with nvidia-glx-new on Gutsy, and still having X default to vesa drivers?09:01
gabbarinhodid you use them all?09:01
scoobydoo28139superlag: mine is ok09:01
SuperLagscoobydoo28139: it's not working here09:01
SuperLagno matter what I try09:02
flufflesgabbarinho: well not all, but its nice to tune effects to one's liking :)09:02
gabbarinhoi am sure it is09:02
riotkittiefluffles: i get extended options when i click on things in ccsm. i'm not sure how it compares to beryl's manager but for most things, way more than off and on09:02
scoobydoo28139superlag:I upgraded from 7.02 and went smoothly.Even played nexuiz i munute ago:)09:02
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gabbarinhoI am sure you get spoiled once you have complete control09:03
flufflesriotkittie: hm okay i'll have another look.. but i guess i can't use the beryl thingy on compiz-fusion huh? :(09:03
riotkittiefluffles: are you controlling compiz from "Appearance"?09:03
gabbarinhothe main reason i tried ubuntu in the first place to get something like expose on my PC09:03
gabbarinhoi really would've been happy to get just the minimal features09:04
fluffleswhat is "expose" ?09:04
scoobydoo28139Does any one need any info for the beta? Cuz if not I got to get out of here in a minute.09:04
gabbarinhoit's the mac compiz, but very limited :)09:04
Dr_willisexpose is just one feature. :)09:04
markelhashi ppl i've a problem with my desktop, when i click on the right button of my mouse nothing happens and my icons also gone. any tips?09:04
Dr_willisfrom what i am researching..09:04
flufflesgabbarinho: hm i guess ubuntu is not the most 'spartan' of linux dists, there are others with are minimalistic and non-bloaty09:04
riotkittieexpose, i believe, shows smaller versions of all your windows on the desktop09:04
Dr_willistrick is to not 'hold yourself back' to what youve used in the past.09:04
gabbarinhooh, i don't mind the bloat09:04
gabbarinhocoming from windows, ubuntu seemed remarkably compact09:05
gabbarinhoyes! agreed09:05
flufflesyeah ok09:05
gabbarinhowhat i meant is that i wasn't even aware of all the other things you could do in compiz09:05
riotkittiethere's a minimal ubuntu install :P09:05
Dr_williscompiz is a bit impressive once ya dig into it. :)09:05
Dr_willisi wish there was a plugin for it that would show all the 'keybindings'09:05
gabbarinhoi've watched the youtube videos over and over09:06
Dr_willissome of these are getting a bit.. obtouse.09:06
riotkittienow that i have compiz, i dont know how i lived without it. hee09:06
scoobydoo28139ok i'm outa here good day all:)09:06
gabbarinhonot surprising09:06
Dr_willisalt-ctrl-super-E for this or that... :)09:06
markelhashi ppl i've a problem with my desktop, when i click on the right button of my mouse nothing happens and my icons also gone. how can i solve this?09:06
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gabbarinhoyikes09:06
riotkittieDr_willis: yea, its starting to drive me crazy. i guess i'm going to have to write down a list and tape it to my09:06
riotkittieother monitor, heh.09:06
Dr_willisriotkittie,  yep.09:06
gabbarinhomac expose is pretty simple - F9, F10, F1109:06
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gabbarinhothose are all your functions09:06
Dr_willisthose keys are allready used by OTHER things gabbarinho  :)09:06
gabbarinhowhat things? :)09:07
Dr_willisi never did see why app swiotching is so critical it needs its own F keys09:07
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Dr_willisF10  = Quit in MC, and somthing els eunder gnome.09:07
Dr_willisi alwaos got to change that.09:07
gabbarinhowell, i used them CONSTANTLY in mac os09:07
markelhashis there something like partition magic for ubuntu?09:07
Dr_willisApple likes to do things their own way..  im spurised they havent taken over all the F keys.09:07
gabbarinhobut as i said, with macs you really need expose for app switching09:08
gabbarinhodoesn't ubuntu come with one built in?09:08
gabbarinhoyeah... and windows doesn't really use any of em09:08
Dr_willisGPARTED is a partition tool.09:08
Dr_willisvery handy09:08
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basculeis it caise mac has 1 mouse button it needs all those keys? ;P09:08
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Dr_willisMost windows users dont realize F1 = help :)09:08
gabbarinhoi've got to sit down and memorize all the keyboard shortcuts09:08
gabbarinhoright :)09:08
Dr_willisApple keyboards have that fancy eject the cd key! :)09:09
Dr_willisat least my iMAc keyboard does09:09
gabbarinhooh yeah09:09
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markelhashi ppl i've a problem with my desktop, when i click on the right button of my mouse nothing happens and my icons also gone. any tips?09:09
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Dr_willis'drag the cd to the trashcan to eject it'09:09
gabbarinhothe CD drives don't have a physical eject button though :)09:09
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gabbarinhohehe09:09
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Dr_williswe dont want to get me started ranting about apple.09:09
TheInfinity!hda09:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi09:09
Dr_willisjust dont get me started. :)09:09
TheInfinity!intel-hda09:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about intel-hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi09:09
gabbarinhoi was never that partial to mac os09:10
gabbarinhojust the expose09:10
TheInfinity!intel_hda09:10
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about intel_hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi09:10
TheInfinity!snd-intel-hda09:10
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about snd-intel-hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi09:10
TheInfinityhmpf09:10
gabbarinhoto me it really made all the difference in the world09:10
Dr_willisgabbarinho,  ane expose is just there to overcome a limitation of the os...09:10
MrPinkhey everyone: If I were to install the Gutsy beta now as a fresh install... will it be the same version as downloadable in 8 days if I run the updates?09:10
TheInfinityanyone who knows the link how to get intel hda to run if its mute?09:10
gabbarinhoyes, to an extent09:10
Dr_willisMrPink,  should be.09:10
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gabbarinhobut i did find that i was generally much more productive on my powerbook than on my windows pc09:10
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gabbarinhoeven though it was a much slower computer09:11
geskerAny work around for 'No candidate version found for sun-java6-plugin'09:11
gabbarinhoi really don't get the rabid mac fanbase though09:11
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gabbarinhothere are a million annoying things about os x09:11
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geskerAll other sun-java6 packages installed ok09:11
TheInfinitygeser: its not online atm ;)09:12
geskerWould it be save to add a fiesty entry to my sources list?09:12
geserTheInfinity: what's not online?09:12
TheInfinityjava6 plugin09:12
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MrPinkwould you guys think that it is better to wait to intsall Gutsy until the final release  or fine to install it now if I run the updates it shows me ?09:13
gabbarinhodon't wait to wait a week? :)09:13
TheInfinityMrPink: wait if you dont like console ;)09:14
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MrPinkwell I am not affraid of it...  I am just not very experienced09:15
TheInfinitythen wait ;)09:15
MrPinkbut I want to learn :-D09:15
TheInfinitythen set up a test system09:15
TheInfinityand do not update your main system09:15
MrPinkbut maybe it would be best to wait... :-D   Or do a step by step reinstall and install a windows version and stick to that until I install a ubuntu...09:16
MrPinkas I want to reinstall windows anyways... then I dont have to install two entire systems on one day09:16
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gabbarinhoyou could always do the vmware thing, i suppose09:18
MrPinkI intsalled linux for the first time 3 weeks ago or so... and have basically been using it 97% of the time... so I basically only use linux... but you never know when you might need a windwos...09:19
frostburnMrPink, just run it in a vm09:19
MrPinkgabbarinho yeah but that seems like a lot of work for not waiting 8 days ;)09:19
MrPinkcuz I dont have a vm set up09:20
TheInfinityits much much learning ;)09:20
gabbarinhoi understand09:20
gabbarinhoi don't know how to use it either09:20
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MrPinkI think I'll just wait... unless I get bored this weekend then I might install it just to see ;)09:20
MrPinkanyhow thanks for the advice so far ;)09:21
murlidhar MrPink: u can always reinstall anything without any problems if you don't change the installation partitions09:21
MrPinkwhat do you mean by that?09:22
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DanaGbug 12183309:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12183309:23
murlidhari mean don;t change the existing partitions of your hard disk09:23
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murlidharMrPink: just don't resize the partitions09:24
MrPinkaha09:25
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Dr_willisi always keep /home on its onwn hard drive. :)09:28
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geskerAny eta on sun-java5-plugin?09:30
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Alarien-WorkAre there any Gutsy Beta users that can assist with /dev/dsp busy?09:31
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Alarien-WorkI've checked for ESD, and other possible users as well as permissions09:32
Alarien-WorkALSA apps are working fine, only OSS support through /dev/dsp not working.09:32
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j00barhowdy -- i have the most recent gutsy installed on a t23 and my kern.log is going crazy saying "wifi0: hfa384x_get_rid: CMDCODE_ACCESS failed (res=-1, rid=fd51, len=6)" and "wifi0: haf384x_cmd: cmd_queue full" -- i don't even have a wireless card in my laptop -- any ideas what's going wrong?09:35
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j00barthat second one is clearly hfa384x, not haf384x -- silly typos...09:36
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{Zeus}gutsy includes compiz fusion by default, correct?09:37
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MrPinkyes09:39
MrPinkas far as I know it does09:39
Alarien-WorkIt may be turned off if the requirements are not detected.09:41
Alarien-Workany sure fire ways to find out what is causing /dev/dsp to be busy?09:42
twilightAlarien-Work: mmh, maybe fuser09:43
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Alarien-Worktried that without any return.09:43
Alarien-WorkThat seems to be the meathod listed on the forms, combined with ps -ax09:43
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enychrrm... ?is anybody here having funny problems with ogg123 or other programs complaining about mcop dir?09:44
enyc$ ogg12309:44
enycCreating link /home/enyc/.kde/socket-ninja.09:44
enyccan't create mcop directory09:44
Alarien-Workwhat about the new sound system replacing esd?09:44
enycAlarien-Work: hrrm maybe thats the problem... what has changed? please explain ;-)09:44
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Alarien-Workpulseaudio is supposed to be a drop in replacement for esd09:45
Alarien-Workpeople that don't have startup sounds probably don't have it installed. I believe esd will be out and pulseaudio will be in at release.09:46
enycAlarien-Work: hrrm ... so I wonder why kde is being mentioned... I am not using kde...09:46
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andreHi guys09:46
enycandre: meepmoop09:46
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andreenyc:  Meep Meep  Moooooooooop09:46
andreWho do I talk to about updating a software for Gutsy?09:47
Alarien-Workyes, pulseaudio is doing it09:47
Alarien-Work:)09:47
Dr_willis!bug09:47
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots09:47
Alarien-Work /usr/bin/pulseaudio --log-target=syslog -Lmodule-esound-compat-spawnfd fd=1809:48
spr0k3tAlarien-Work: the drop in package is just pulseaudio?  no dependancies?09:48
enycandre: hrrm my libao.conf specifies alsa09 default ....09:48
Alarien-WorkThis provides start-up sounds etc, but also hogs /dev/dsp09:48
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mnemowhere can I find documentation for the GRUB config file (i mean the one called menu.lst) ??? i tried google already and "man grub" just explains the command parameters, not the config file format09:49
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Alarien-Workyes you can install esound or you can install  pulseaudio-esound-compat which requires pulseaudio  and you will have your startup sounds back.09:50
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MrPinkmnemo what do you want to know about it?09:50
mnemoi wonder about the partition specfications09:50
MrPinkmnemo or just general info ?09:50
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mnemoi want to boot windows from /dev/sda109:50
mnemobut grub seems to use some weird (hd0,0) format or something09:51
enycmnemo: this is right.. i will tell you why...09:51
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enycmnemo: Linux+udev creates the devices like /dev/sd? /dev/hd?  at runtime of the linux kernel09:51
mnemohmm, ok?09:52
enycmnemo: whereas Grub 0.9 is using the BIOS INT 13 calls and doesn't have the linux drivers running.... linux isn't running then!09:52
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mnemoso how can I tell which hdx,y maps to /dev/sda1 ???09:52
enycmnemo: so (hd0) is the first BIOS-supported-harddisk (which could be PATA SATA SCSI USB RAID  whatever...)09:52
enycmnemo: (hd0,0) normally refers to '1' partition on the "first" hard disk09:53
mnemoso the grub notation is 0-based and the /dev notation is 1-based ??09:53
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enycmnemo: well grub numbers from 0  ... linux numbers on a different sceme09:53
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enycmnemo: actually linux uses the 'position' in the partition-table-header which has space for exactly 4 entries as 1,2,3,4 and then uses 5-onwards for extra partitions09:54
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mnemoso, what should I put into the grub file?09:55
enycmnemo: im sure at runtime you can tell which partition is what... grub has a way to guess/detect this...09:55
enycmnemo: right.. you have ubuntu booting okay and you want an option to chainload an inaccessible win32 ??09:55
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mnemoyea chainload works but it boots my recovery partition instead of the real one09:56
mnemoat least I think that's the problem09:56
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enycmnemo: show me 'fdisk -l' output.....09:57
Alarien-WorkRebooted, and it worked out /dev/dsp is not being used after removing package pulseaudio-esound-compat09:57
enycmnemo: or 'sudo fdisk -l'09:57
Alarien-WorkThe big question is, why do we have to choose between system sounds and the ability to use /dev/dsp for anything else. Why do the system sounds monopolize this even when not producing sound.09:58
mnemohttp://rafb.net/p/AR5kez27.html09:58
Alarien-WorkI know about oss only allowing one channel, but why can09:58
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Alarien-Work't the system sounds use ALSA instead?09:58
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bXiokay i'm quite stumped here10:00
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enyccoo... there is a  "libao-pulse" package...10:00
bXican someone walk me trough installing the new ati fglrx driver?10:00
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mnemoenyc: can you tell anything from the fdisk -l ??10:01
enycmnemo: well can see what types of partitions there are... i havent see in10:01
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enycmnemo: you need to be registered with nickserv to /msg me10:01
enycmnemo: aaah... url... sorry...10:01
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problemdogHi all! - with my latest upgrade i got some huge "virtual resolution" switched on..  It's very annoying (to me) - how can I switch it off?10:02
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problemdoglike 2048x1536 instead of the usual 1280x1024 - and compiz fails to start10:02
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atlefooohhh, new kernel headers. So we are on huron allready :  * [PATCH] : Gutsy OHCI hang workaround for Huron10:04
atlefand changed generic to x86_6410:05
atlefread wrong: *and changed generic to x86_64* sorry10:07
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sparsecGutsy looking good :)10:11
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sparsecShame rt2500 isn't working though - it did back in Feisty10:11
sparsecHad to resort to using ndiswrapper10:12
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fliegenderfroschIs it already clear when (how many hours left) we can expect the RC to be released?10:20
Reabyit the kde4 which is in backports repo beta2, it currently only says some ubuntu version number? anybody tested / know ?10:22
Reabyit = is10:23
Reabywell, anyway i think i give a try on it10:24
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nosrednaekimReaby: its not really ready...10:24
nosrednaekimReaby: wait a week for beta310:24
Reabyso it doesn't even start ?10:25
nosrednaekimReaby: it starts... but there is no panel, no menu...10:25
gnomefreaksavvas: all gforce4 cards use -glx10:26
kling0nquestion waon tries to install a man package in the same location as pv package... which one should I bugreport agains ?10:26
Reabynosrednaekim: ok, got the point. i assume beta 3 comes with those.10:26
nosrednaekimReaby: all that should be fixed in the next beta.10:26
kling0nagainst even10:26
nosrednaekimReaby: I believe it will10:26
Reabynosrednaekim: ok, thanks for info.10:26
Reabynosrednaekim: better to wait then.10:26
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nosrednaekimReaby: yeah, no use getting discouraged with it now. I do like running the apps from within KDE3 though.10:27
nosrednaekimDolphin is really nice.10:27
nosrednaekim(the kde4 version)10:27
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kevinOdid the location of the c header files change with this mornings updates?10:29
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benzonis there a way to install Compiz Fusion Plugins Unsupported ?10:29
stofferwhen restarting gutsy my nvidia driver does not work any more, any hints ?10:29
Reabystoffer: did you install it by hand10:30
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kevinOstoffer, are you using the restricted drivers10:30
kevinOoh sorry Reaby10:31
stofferI have tried several things, but only got it working correctly using the restricted driver,10:31
runemaste644VBox Guest Additions screwed up guty10:31
runemaste644*gutsy10:31
stofferbut after a restart it seems to be overridden and I get the failure setup10:31
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benzonis there a way to install Compiz Fusion Plugins Unsupported ?10:32
runemaste644After i restarted, it wouldnt load right10:32
Reabystoffer: if you installed with nvidia installer, it conflicts sometimes with nvidia-glx package, what i have seen10:32
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stofferreaby, thanks for helping, so should I try to uninstall th nvidia-glx-new package ?10:33
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runemaste644Im doing a memory test10:33
kevinOstoffer, the restricted driver is better than using the actual nvidia driver, because if there is a kernel upgrade, the restricted driver will be upgraded, and you wont have to worry about x failing everytime there is a new kernel10:33
Reabystoffer: check /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions --> is there symbolic link libglx.so --> lubglx.so.1000.13.1910:34
Reabylibglx.so --> libglx.so.100.14.1910:34
runemaste644Is there a way to recover my system from the CD?10:34
Reabyif not then x doesn't star10:34
Reabystoffer: if libglx.so is regular file, just delete it and make symbolic link10:35
Reabystoffer: all should be ok10:35
Reabystoffer: or delete it and run nvidia installer10:35
runemaste644How can i fix my system?10:35
Reabystoffer: or install nvidia-glx again10:35
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stofferReaby: I have libglx.so -> libglx.so.100.14.1910:36
Reabystoffer: hmm.. i'd run nvidia installer again.10:36
runemaste644Is there anyone who can help me?10:36
Reabystoffer: should fix the issue10:36
kevinOrunemaste644: are you talking about virtualbox?10:37
runemaste644Someone wants ubotu's nick!10:37
runemaste644yes10:37
Alarien-Workdid you try nvidia-glx-new?10:37
kevinOubuntu will not load right or vbox wont?10:37
stofferreaby: have tried that one time before, but will try again. Should I uninstall the nvidia-glx-new package10:37
runemaste644When i installed guest additions, Ubuntu wouldnt load10:37
Alarien-Workif you have a newer card that should work.10:37
nosrednaekimrunemaste644: you are only supposed to install them if you are running INSIDE VB10:38
kevinOme says sometimes the restricted drivers wont work until the ubuntu gods put out and update to fix them10:38
runemaste644what do you mean?10:38
runemaste644i installed them in the guest machine10:38
runemaste644not on my real machine DUH10:39
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runemaste644Why would i do something so stupid?10:39
Reabystoffer: yes, i personally also run to problems with those 2 seperate installs fighting.10:40
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valehru_Hey guys, anyone know if the apache2 in the gutsy repos have mod_proxy_balancer enabled?10:40
runemaste644 !test10:40
stofferReaby: thanks, I try that10:40
Reabystoffer: should work.10:40
nosrednaekimrunemaste644: dunno. if its a Virtual machine... why is it a big deal?10:40
nosrednaekimjust go back to an older snapshot10:40
runemaste644I want it10:40
runemaste644i didnt get a snapshot10:41
kevinOrunemaste644:  i dont know much about virtualbox either, i use vmware-server10:41
runemaste644Eww.10:41
runemaste644Shareware.10:41
ubotuFailed.10:41
kevinOwell it works and its free10:41
runemaste644ok so that is the real ubotu10:41
riotkittieof course it is.10:42
runemaste644I thought vmware is shareware10:42
kevinOvmware-server is free10:42
kevinOof charge10:42
runemaste644someone tried to recover ubotus nick10:42
kevinOnot freeware10:42
Reabyvmware-player is free afaik10:42
nosrednaekimrunemaste644: ha ha... VB is shareware too !10:42
runemaste644will it let me switch between OSs quickly?10:43
LjLkevinO: "freeware" *means* "free of charge"10:43
kevinOwhen you download vmware-server you have to register for a free serial10:43
Dr_willisget a dozen of the serial #'s :)10:43
kevinOrunemaste644: yess you can quick switch10:43
riotkittierunemaste644: nah. nick collisions are different.10:43
runemaste644so i could move seamlessly between XP and Ubuntu?10:43
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kevinOLjL thanks im now 100% dumner after having read what you said :)10:44
xnixI just installed Gutsy beta and depmod is crashing with "bus error (core dumped)"  does anyone know what is causing this or possibly a solution?10:44
kevinOlook i cant even spell dumner10:44
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kevinOwho needs linux on jupiter10:45
kevinOjej10:45
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Reabynobody ?10:46
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kevinOrunemaste644: if you try to install vmware-server on gutsy-beta you will need to download the patch to make it work10:47
runemaste644i want it on feisty tho10:47
kevinOshould work then :)10:47
runemaste644i was runnin a gutsy VM on feisty to test Gutsy10:47
runemaste644and like ubotu says...10:48
runemaste644!test10:48
ubotuFailed.10:48
kevinOahh10:48
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runemaste644so where do i get it?10:48
runemaste644i will not use automatix10:49
runemaste644because10:49
runemaste644!automatix10:49
ubotuAutomatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)10:49
kevinOdownload it from vmware and compile it10:49
runemaste644i would like a direct link10:49
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kevinOhttp://register.vmware.com/content/eula103.html, and to get the free serialz, http://register.vmware.com/content/registration.html10:50
anoncowhey has anyone in here had any issues with a Radeon 345M graphics card and gutsy?  I'm getting really bad graphics problems (wavy image, long black bar vertically down screen, split image)10:51
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markelhashi ppl i've problems with my gnome session, how can i use the failsafe setting in the gnome session?10:51
kevinOrunemaste644: actual dl link http://download3.vmware.com/software/vmserver/VMware-server-1.0.3-44356.tar.gz10:51
gnomefreakmarkelhas: at the gdm choose failsafe10:51
markelhasgnomefreak, yes, but i want to fix the gnome session10:52
gnomefreakmarkelhas: maybe boot the recovery kernel?10:52
markelhasgnomefreak, using the failsafe it's ok, but i want to fix the gnome one.10:52
jussi01runemaste644: you will need the any-any patch also10:52
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markelhasgnomefreak, and do what?10:52
markelhasgnomefreak, just boot e reboot?10:53
kevinOanyone know what directory for the c headers for the kernel are located?10:53
markelhasgnomefreak, just boot and reboot?10:53
gnomefreakmarkelhas: you havent said what is wrong with gnome10:53
kevinOjussi01: he is running fiesty10:53
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markelhasgnomefreak, ok u right. When i login my desktop don't apper and when i click on the right button of the mouse nothing appens.10:54
jussi01kevinO: oh... ok... hmmm... this is ubuntu+110:54
gnomefreakmarkelhas: disable compiz and see if it gets better10:54
kevinOjussi01: yeah, he was in hree cause he was running gutst as a guest10:54
markelhasgnomefreak, i a execute apparence the desktop wallpaper appers but the mouse option don't10:55
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jussi01kevinO: ahhh... didnt read that far back...10:55
gnomefreakmarkelhas: try to install ubuntu-desktop please10:55
markelhasgnomefreak, nopez same problem with or without compiz10:55
gnomefreakmarkelhas: the whole desktop is blank (panels and menus?) or just mouse gestures?10:55
kevinOjussi01 you running vmwar-server on gutsy?10:56
jussi01kevinO: yeah10:56
runemaste644kevin0: would you usually have to pay for VMWare w/o the serialz?10:56
markelhasgnomefreak, just mouse gestures? and the wallpaper10:56
kevinOnot for vmware-server10:56
markelhasgnomefreak, just mouse gestures and the wallpaper10:56
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kevinOdont know why, i know its weird10:56
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gnomefreakwallpaper is not there?10:56
markelhasgnomefreak, nops10:56
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stoffer_Hi, still problems with the nvidia drivers after a reboot: When rebooting I get the "Ubunut in low graphc mode" dialog where I cannot find any nvidia settings10:57
gnomefreakmarkelhas: sounds like a config file messed up10:57
gnomefreakmarkelhas: hold on a minute lets try something10:57
markelhasgnomefreak, but if i run system->preferences->apperance the wallpaper appers10:57
xnixanyone here install from the gutsy beta cd?10:57
cwilluall I want is for gedit to remember my keyboard shortcuts.  any tips to accomplish that?10:58
markelhasgnomefreak, going to install the ubuntu-desktop10:58
kevinOjussi01, i tried to reconfigure vmware after this mornings kernel upgrade and its asking me what directory the are the  C header files that match your running kernel located?, normally i would do the default but its not working now10:58
kevinOthat directory isnt there10:58
kevinO[/usr/src/linux/include] 10:59
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gnomefreakmarkelhas: did you file a bug with all the info you have on issue?10:59
markelhasgnomefreak, nopes10:59
gnomefreakmarkelhas: please read topic. filing bug first helps us with your issue11:00
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b08yhey guys i have a problem with usb2.0 hdd and ehci, where can i report that? It seems to me that the ehci kernel driver is bugy, when i remove ehci_hcd my usb2.0 drive start to work11:00
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gnomefreakb08y: launchpad11:00
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b08yand btw where can i see how the gusty kernel was compiled?11:00
gnomefreakb08y: again launchpad11:00
markelhasgnomefreak, but first i trying to check if this is a real but, cause it was working fine for me.11:00
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magicrobotmonkeyhey i'm trying to use screen and graphics preferences to add an external monitor, but the option for secondary screen is greyed out. how do i enable it?11:01
markelhasgnomefreak, be right back11:01
gnomefreakb08y: you can try #ubuntu-kernel but dont expect to be helped fast11:01
spasticteapotAnyone know why my battery life is so poor?11:01
kevinOis the second monitor plugged in?11:01
spasticteapotIAlso, what's the program that gives you a graph of power use over time?11:01
gnomefreakb08y: grab the source for kernel and see how it was compiled11:01
spasticteapotI have a Thinkpad X61 (not an X61s)11:01
b08ygnomefreak: thx, but i think they now the situation best11:01
gnomefreakb08y: launchpad might be faster as its well after 5pm UTC11:02
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magicrobotmonkeyspasticteapot: yes it is, and if you right click on the battery icon theres a power history11:02
markelhasgnomefreak, is there any form to use failsafe session settings in the gnome one?11:02
spasticteapotAh, thanks.11:03
spasticteapotHow can I adjust CPU stepping?11:03
gnomefreakmarkelhas: not that i know of i really think its a glitch in config file11:03
magicrobotmonkeynot sure11:03
magicrobotmonkeyhavent done that since hoary11:03
spasticteapotpowernowd -m won't do a dang thing.11:03
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kevinOmagicrobotmonkey: did you reboot with the second monotir plugged in?11:04
magicrobotmonkeykevinO: no, i thought the point was you didn't have to11:04
markelhasgnomefreak, very strange, this situation, now i've to boot always with failsafe.11:04
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kevinOmagicrobotmonkey:  just a guess, i would try that11:04
magicrobotmonkeymeh ok, thx11:05
kevinOthats all i know about that11:05
gnomefreakmarkelhas: no you dont you are just not listening and looking for the config file but you feel free to boot failsafe11:05
kevinOi only have one monitor atm :(11:05
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markelhasgnomefreak, sorry, can u tell then how can i solve this situation please?11:06
markelhasgnomefreak, i kind of noob in linux11:06
gnomefreakhold on a minute11:06
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spasticteapotmarkelhas: Everyone once was. Don't give up, and don't let the more experienced users scare you off.11:07
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riotkittieexperienced ubuntu users arent scarey  :P11:07
spasticteapotLinux users tend to be like members of an engineering frat house: Prone to hazing new members, occasionally drunk, and surprisingly competent.11:07
spasticteapotriotkittie: Scary? No. Grouchy? Very.11:08
gnomefreakmarkelhas: rename ~/.gconf and log out and back in11:08
spasticteapotExample: Icee of #electronics.11:08
gnomefreaksee if that helps11:08
markelhasspasticteapot, i trying to. but sometimes is a little difficult11:08
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spasticteapotmarkelhas: What's the problem?11:08
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DragginG'day! I'm very new to Linux and only installed Feisty about three or four weeks ago for the first time.  Now I want to know - when I get my copy of Gutsy, do I have to a clean install or is there some way of just upgrading my existing system?11:08
spasticteapotAlso, have you considered joining your local Linux User's Group?11:08
riotkittiehee. i'm a grouchy noob. :|11:09
zblachDraggin: upgrading is trivial11:09
markelhasgnomefreak, going to logout11:09
spasticteapotDraggin: Move your Home folder to a seperate partition. You'll keep almost all of your configuration stuff and all of your files, but you get the new OS.11:09
Dragginzblach - how so?11:09
riotkittiedist-upgrade <311:09
gnomefreakhope he renamed it first11:09
zblachriotkittie: i have had dist-upgrade fail catatrophically a few times11:10
gnomefreakwith no unofficial packages installed upgrade is easy11:10
zblach**catastrophically11:10
stoffer_Anyone have any hints on how to install the nvidia driver and not getting the "low graphic" dialog on startup11:10
Dragginspasticteapot - what about installed applications?11:10
aigariusI having a strange problem - just upgraded via the update-manager tool and after reboot the kernel refuses to mount any partitions except the root partition11:10
gnomefreakstoffer_: that could be your hardware not so much software11:10
riotkittiezblach: do you have anything odd installed?11:10
gnomefreakor atleast the xorg.conf has wrong values for your hardware11:11
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aigariusthe error is "Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda5"11:11
stoffer_gnomefreak: true, but had it working under feisty, and can get it to work when just restarting x, but after a reboot I get the dialog11:12
gnomefreaksda5 your swap partition? root? what?11:12
aigariuseven in rescue mode trying to mount these partitions manually gives the same error11:12
spasticteapotDraggin: You'll need to reinstall.11:12
gnomefreakstoffer_: gutsy X is overhauled11:12
Dragginspasticteapot - no other option? There isn't an 'upgrade only' version of the OS?11:12
gnomefreakstoffer_: what worked in feisty may not and most of time wont work in gutsy since bulletproofX11:12
aigariusit is my /home partition, I can mount it fine if I boot the old feisty kernel or from other Linuxes11:12
gnomefreakaigarius: did you reboot after kernel update?11:13
stoffer_gnomefreak: thanks, where can I get some info on this, since this is most likely the problem.11:13
aigariusgnomefreak: yes. the boot is interrupted beause even fsck can not get to those devices11:13
gnomefreakstoffer_: thats a good question,11:13
spasticteapotDraggin: Programs only work because other programs are present. Linux is modular.11:14
anoncowhey has anyone in here had any issues with a Radeon 345M graphics card and gutsy?  I'm getting really bad graphics problems (wavy image, long black bar vertically down screen, split image)11:14
gnomefreakaigarius: this was a feisty upgrade?11:14
spasticteapotFor example, Exaile! (like Amarok, but low CPU use) might rely on GTK1.3. Gutsy might feature GTK1.5.11:14
aigariusgnomefreak: upgraded from feisty to gutsy using the "update-manager -d"11:14
Dragginspasticteapot - may I ask you then - is there any 'urgent' need to move over to Gutsy from Feisty?11:14
spasticteapotNot unless you're one of us poor bastards using late-model laptops.11:15
gnomefreakaigarius: yeah figured that much but it intersting that you are having this issue11:15
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gnomefreakaigarius: the names of devices didnt really change from feisty to gutsy so you shouldnt be seeing that problem11:16
spasticteapotShould I be using powernowd to try and adjust CPU stepping?11:16
aigariusgnomefreak: the devices are there, but for some reason nothing can get access to them saying the devices are busy already11:16
Dragginspasticteapot - hehe, okay thanks :)11:17
gnomefreakaigarius: give me a minute im gonna think on this one a bit, there should be a fairly simple solution i just cant think og it11:17
spasticteapotDraggin: Gutsy DOES feature Compiz built-in, which is quite nifty.11:17
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spasticteapotIt's also the "LTS" edition, which means that it will be supported for at least 18 months or so.11:17
Dragginspasticteapot - I've heard of Compiz, but I'm not too sure what it is...11:18
aigariusgnomefreak: I am also seeing device-mapper errors in the log11:18
spasticteapotIt's like Expose on the mac.11:18
[Ramy] i upgraded to gutsy, i have one problem with rhythmbox. i can't play all real media files [.rm , .ram]  , when trying to play them i got noise and there is no error message :(11:19
jmg_[Ramy] : get a real format11:19
spasticteapotTry downloading one of the plugin packs.11:19
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spasticteapotAlso, realplayer is awful.11:19
jmg_yes11:19
gabbarinhotruly one of the awful apps11:19
jmg_worst format ever11:20
jmg_remember their treatment on futurama11:20
gabbarinhoand the program itself - awful11:20
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jmg_guy goes to do a video call and it comes up with the real logo and Buffering....11:20
[Ramy] jmg_ what do u mean ? can you explain ? i could play them by rhythmbox on feisty11:20
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jmg_[Ramy] : its a nonfree format11:20
jmg_and also crappy11:20
gabbarinhothankfully it's becoming less and less common11:20
spasticteapotI think I have a bug; the battery monitor panel applet is on the fritz.11:21
gnomefreakaigarius: a thought, boot recovery mode and do a dist-upgrade they rolled out 2 versions of one kernel in 24 hours wonder if that was why11:21
jmg_you're probably the only one in the world who willingly uses it through rhythmbox11:21
Dragginspasticteapot - sorry, tried checking out the compiz website, but it doesn't seem to want to load... And I'm afraid I don't know what Expose on a Mac is either :/11:21
spasticteapotI have the "power use" graph open, and it says I'm using 0.1 watts.11:21
spasticteapotdraggin: It sort of re-arranges all the windows on your screen. It's handy for swapping between multiple windows.11:21
stoffer_any of you got a xorg.conf sample file I can tamper with ?11:21
spasticteapotThere's loads of demos on youtube.11:22
aigariusgnomefreak: I just did a dist-upgrade, but I will try to use the main mirror now11:22
gabbarinhodrag: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk1w11:22
Dragginspasticteapot - It's cooler than the advanced effects in Feisty?  Cause those are pretty awesome already...11:22
[Ramy] spasticteapot what are the plugins that related to real media files ?11:22
gnomefreakaigarius: use uk mirror i know that one works11:22
spasticteapotDraggin: I dunno. You might have Compiz installed for Feisty.11:22
jmg_[Ramy]  because it is not a commonly used format it may be a regression11:22
gnomefreak[Ramy] : check if you have the w32codecs installed11:22
spasticteapotRamy: Search ".rm" or "realplayer" in Synaptic.11:22
Dragginspasticteapot - aha :)  That would make sense. Thanks11:22
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[Ramy] jmg_ i want to play them by rhythmbox , because it has a very nice tool for manipulating play lists and library :)11:23
bushwakkohey, im using powertop here11:23
bushwakkois it possible to disable bluetooth in a prettier way than inloading the modules and stuff11:23
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bushwakkoanyway from within ubuntu?11:23
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gnomefreaksince its not a supported format there are a bunch of things that could have happened. seeing as ubuntu cant package support for them and rythmbox is installed by default its most likely a pakcage that got removed or messed with during upgrade (like w32codecs)11:24
gnomefreakbushwakko: i wish11:24
jmg_[Ramy] : it was a bug that it worked with rhythmbox to begin with ;)11:24
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bushwakkopowertop also suggested I disable hald-storage-addon11:25
bushwakkobecause it stopped sata power management to work well11:25
bushwakkobecause it was polling my cdrom11:25
bushwakkodoesn't sound very elegant11:25
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bushwakkoshould be better ways to detect cds11:25
gnomefreakbushwakko: gnome-volume-control does that11:26
aigariusgnomefreak: no upgrades found11:26
gnomefreakaigarius: i was afraid of that11:26
bushwakkognomefreak, polls my mixer?11:26
gnomefreakaigarius: fsck is failing?11:26
aigariusyes11:26
gnomefreakbushwakko: no looks for media11:26
bushwakkowhy would a volume control do that?11:26
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gnomefreakaigarius: can you umount it?11:26
gnomefreakbushwakko: thats its job, i wondered the same thing than gave up wondering11:27
riotkittieack.11:27
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aigariusgnomefreak: trying to unmount /dev/sda5 says that it is not monted, but trying to mount it says it is mounted or busy11:27
gnomefreakaigarius: yeah damnit11:27
bushwakkoanyone with a macbook pro here who know how to get the damn fan to shut up ? :D11:28
bushwakkomy cpus are like 55 and 52 degrees11:28
bushwakkowhich is very low11:28
bushwakkobut still the fan goes on...11:28
gnomefreakaigarius: good news == current ISO's are not having that issue bad news == its either hardware related or you will be reinstalling11:28
contrast83after the latest 2.6.22-14 updates, should i be safe to boot on nvidia? i tried yesterday just prior to them with no luck.11:28
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gnomefreakcontrast83: nvidia works fine if you had issues you still may11:29
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gnomefreakcontrast83: find out the source of the issues11:29
aigariusgnomefreak: has there been a similar problem before?11:29
zblachhrm. i've been having some trouble with suspend/hibernation. anyone else?11:29
gnomefreakaigarius: yeah but i thought they were taken care of. search kernel on bugs.edge.launchpad.net11:29
gnomefreakzblach: i believe everyone else is with a few not11:30
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gnomefreakzblach: they are hoping to have it worked out by release but even edgy and feisty some people never got it working right11:30
zblachit was working fine in feisty for me11:30
contrast83gnomefreak: well originally i had to reinstall linux-restricted-modules-generic-2.6.22-12 and nvidia-glx-new when 2.6.22-13 first hit repos, and haven't been able to boot into 2.6.22-13 since11:30
gnomefreak"having trouble" is a very broad range11:31
zblachok. fails to restore.11:31
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zblachspontaneous KDM resets11:31
gnomefreakzblach: that is a well known issue (atleast on a few laptops)11:31
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zblachdurn11:31
gnomefreakcontrast83: and you have an update from feisty?11:32
contrast83gnomefreak: fresh install11:32
gnomefreakcontrast83: you used r-m to install drivers?11:32
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contrast83~late tribe 411:32
contrast83gnomefreak: i believe so, yes. don't remember for certain.11:32
darius_man11:32
darius_ipw3945 support got worse with gutsy11:33
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gnomefreakcontrast83: you should be fine but i dont see why it messed up for you at all11:33
gnomefreakok be back soon last meeting of the day11:34
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DragginLater11:37
Draggin/disconnect11:37
AhadielDraggin, try /quit11:37
DragginHmm... so why doesn't that work...11:37
aigariusgnomefreak: I will try removing evms and regenerating menu.lst from as recommended in #13718011:38
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Davy_Joneswhat would it take to be a developer for open source applications?11:43
Davy_Jonesjust learn C?11:43
Jordan_UIs it normal in Gutsy for X to be on vt10 sometimes and tty9 others ( and so far never tty7 ) ?11:44
peepsalotDavy_Jones, depends on the app11:44
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peepsalotjust write one in any language, and release under GPL, or contribute to an existing one11:44
XbehaveJordan_U: mines on 711:44
Davy_Jonesbut C seems to be preferred in the linux world11:44
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aigariusgnomefreak: removing evms did the trick11:45
peepsalotDavy_Jones, well, C or C++ usually, but there are plenty of open source apps written in other things, python comes to mind for one11:45
Davy_Jonespeepsalot: i hear python programs run slower than C11:46
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Xbehavedoes anybody know why evms is getting installed so often when because of the stupid kernel patch it makes systems unbootable!11:47
Xbehaveeither the install AP and dpkg for evms need modifiying or evms should not be installed automatically11:47
Davy_Jonesdo you write stuff with C then use GTK libs to create a GUI interface?11:47
peepsalotDavy_Jones, if speed is an issue then C can be good for that, however for many programs speed isn't really an issue.  there are lots of apps that don't require much computational power, in which case it's easier to write and maintain them in a higher level language11:48
sparseclol  - just a few minutes back ubuntu effectively ruled out access to my home directory all by itself, so the system went s*it11:48
Davy_Jonespeepsalot: i see, good point11:48
Davy_Jonesmaintainability11:48
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sparsecanyway - at first, I had no problem running desktop effects11:48
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sparsecbut then I loaded win drivers for my monitor11:49
{Zeus}why would you do that? :-/11:49
sparsecand everything went to hell, gdm included11:49
peepsalotDavy_Jones, if you aren't planning on hacking the kernel, IMO you don't really need to use C11:49
jmg_sparsec: ...11:49
sparsecso I edited xorg by hand11:49
sparsecto get it rigt11:49
ratpoisonis it safe to sudo apt-get autoremove? it will remove my kernel 2.6.22-12 (I know have 2.6.22-13 & 14)11:49
jmg_sparsec: so how is that ubuntu's fault?11:49
{Zeus}yeah11:49
{Zeus}autoremove and autoclean are fine11:49
sparsecbut I can't get desktop effects to work now - the titlebar is always missing11:50
jmg_sparsec: PICNIC11:50
{Zeus}are you using meatcity?11:50
{Zeus}or compiz11:50
Davy_Jonespeepsalot: developing gaim for example would require C because that's the language it's written with, no?11:50
jmg_ahaaa meatcity hahahhaha11:50
sparsecjmg_: It's not about graphics, but about not being able to access my /home directory11:50
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jmg_that'11:51
ratpoisonsparsec? what?11:51
sparsec{Zeus}: metacity right now11:51
{Zeus}ok11:51
ratpoisonsparsec: try alt+f2 compiz --replace11:51
prakritianybody know anything about terrible Xgl performance on intel i915?11:51
ratpoisonand then alt+f2 emerald --replace11:51
{Zeus}you said you can't access your home directory?11:51
{Zeus}are the permissions set OK?11:51
sparsec{Zeus}: I can now, I rebooted to safe mode and set permissions by hand using root account11:51
ratpoisontry chown'ing it back to your usrname11:51
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{Zeus}ok...11:52
sparsecBut it was weird - all of a sudden I had no rights in my own directory, despite being the owner11:52
{Zeus}umm that's weird11:52
sparsecand I didn't touch the permissions from waay back11:52
{Zeus}do a "ls -l /home/11:52
sparseceverything was preserved back from feisty and dapper :)11:53
sparsec{Zeus}: It's ok now - I set my permissions back and even checked the umask11:53
peepsalotDavy_Jones, i'm not sure, maybe it is.  (BTW it's called Pidgin now ;-) )   I have done some programming, but haven't really contributed much to any open source projects, so take my advice with a grain of salt.11:54
ratpoisonimagine that... having to chroot to your home....11:54
sparsecbtw that "compiz --replace" does the same as turning desktop effects on - no titlebar11:54
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{Zeus}umm...11:54
peepsalotDavy_Jones, actually now that I think of it, AFAIK the gnome/GTK libs are based in C, KDE/Qt libs based in C++11:54
ratpoisonsparsec: nvidia or ati?11:54
sparsecratpoison: nvidia11:55
sparsecratpoison: 680011:55
peepsalotDavy_Jones, but there are bindings to program with those libs in other languages (such as python)11:55
ratpoisonsparsec: well I have ATI, so I'm not that sure, but, do you have emerald window decorator?11:55
sparsecratpoison: I had, but I uninstalled it11:55
ratpoisonthen try gtk --replace11:56
sparsecratpoison: I didn't switch any emerald theme on11:56
ratpoisonor somesuch11:56
Davy_Jonespeepsalot: i see, that's good to know11:56
ratpoisonit's not that, lemme remember11:56
peepsalotDavy_Jones, i guess C is a good language to know, I just don't do a lot of desktop app programming in any language11:56
sparsecit's "metacity --replace"11:57
ratpoisonor you could try sudo apt-get isntall heliodor and then heliodor --replace. Heliodor is (or was, I don't know if it's still there)11:57
peepsalotDavy_Jones, have you programmed in any languages before?11:57
sparsecthanks, but the problem isn't switchnig back to decelarated desktop11:57
ratpoisona window decorator similar to gtk11:57
sparsecmetacity works fine11:57
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Davy_Jonespeepsalot: i have done QBasic back in high school.. and assembly programming at college11:57
sparsecthe problem is getting compiz to work like before :)11:57
Davy_Jonespeepsalot: my work doesn't involve programming at all though11:57
ratpoisonwell if you don't have titlebars, it's not that good then, is it?11:58
Davy_Jonespeepsalot: i have a talent for programming, got high grades with little effort on those courses, and taught a lot of my peers.. but i still don't have the interest in it11:58
sparsecwell of course not, that's why I'm running metacity right now :)11:58
sparsecbut I'd love to get those shiny effects back in all their glory :)11:58
Davy_Jonespeepsalot: i'm taking Computer Engineering next January, and i'm gonna have to do C programming, so i thought why not develop for open source apps to make it interesting11:59
peepsalotDavy_Jones, why would you be an OSS developer if you're not interested in it?11:59
Davy_Jonespeepsalot: cuz i'm talented :P11:59
peepsalotah, ego boost, that's a common reason :P11:59
Davy_Jonespeepsalot: OSS would make me interested.. cuz of all the contributors11:59
sparsecDavy_Jones: Spare yourself some nerves and time and do some python programming instead of C. Do your homework, but don't get stuck with C for too long.11:59
peepsalotDavy_Jones, the nice thing about C is that it's a relatively small language by itself.  of course you have to extend it with a thousand libraries to do anything useful though, so in the end it's a lot to learn12:00
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ratpoisonsparsec: what I'm suggesting is that you use gtk window decorator w/ compiz12:00
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ratpoisonbut I can't seem to remember which command it was exactly12:00
sparsecratpoison: I've been doing that before. The problem is, compiz loads, but the titlebars from gtk just don't12:01
ratpoisonwell, I had the same problem back in my feisty / beryl days and that's how I fixed it12:01
ratpoison:)12:01
sparsecah well then I hope you recall how you fixed it :) In the meantime, I'm gonna search for compiz conf files to erase :)(12:02
Davy_Jonespeepsalot: i'll see if it's worth the effort in the next few years12:02
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Davy_Jonespeepsalot: thanks for the information, i'm off12:02
peepsalotnp, later12:03
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contrast83sparsec: ~/.config/compiz/compizconfig/Default.ini ?12:03
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Brian_the install program for ubuntu 7.10 beta wont work,is it becuz its in beta right now?12:03
sparseccontrast83: thanks, will try that12:03
contrast83np12:03
contrast83sparsec: i just read further up... what's in the command field under the Window Decorations plugin in CCSM?12:04
Brian_the install program for ubuntu 7.10 beta wont work,is it becuz its in beta right now?12:04
sparseccontrast83: just a sec, I'll check12:04
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contrast83sparsec: if it's blank, try putting "gtk-window-decorator &"12:05
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sparseccontrast83: thanks - I tried that, but it didn't work12:05
ratpoisonthat's it12:06
ratpoisonthat's the part I just wouldn't remember!12:06
linuxnubanyone have any problems with the latest updates of the new kernel?12:06
skinnypuppy34I haven't12:06
contrast83sparsec: i take it you just want the metacity-looking borders, and not emerald?12:06
ratpoisongtk-window-decorator --replace (for it to last after the window from alt+f2 exits)12:06
ratpoisoncontrast83 they just won't load (that what he complains)12:07
linuxnubare you running restricted drivers?12:07
contrast83oops, sorry. forgot the --replace12:07
contrast83sparsec: nvidia?12:07
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sparseccontrast83: yes12:07
ratpoisonsparsec: I think you can add it to your login12:07
ratpoisonsession12:07
sparsecNo luck so far12:07
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sparseceverything I tried ended up with the same result12:07
sparsecno titlebar :)12:08
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ratpoisonsparsec: Not even that? "gtk-window-decorator --replace" (remember to turn compiz on for it to matter :) )12:08
skinnypuppy34if you are logged into terminal how do you start an x-session?12:08
bastid_raZorsparsec: i had to reinstall compiz-fusion to rid myself of that issue. remove then install. all works great now12:08
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sparsecratpoison: Of course. :) But still compiz won't put it up12:09
contrast83sparsec: one sec, i'm prying in #compiz-fusion12:09
ratpoisonwell, I'm stuck....12:09
ratpoisoncan't help you more man12:09
sparsecbastid_raZor: Thanks, I'll try that if everything else fails12:09
contrast83sparsec: it's most likely an easy fix, just a line in xorg.conf that you need12:09
pookeyhi all - anyone know if we're on schedule for the 18th?12:09
sparsecratpoison: No matter, you've helped ore than enough. Thanks.12:09
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ratpoisonskinnypuppy34: It's startx but I think it gives you an Xserver w/ root priviledges: not a good idea12:09
sparseccontrast83: thanks12:09
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linuxnubanyone know what to do when the system freezes for a second or three every now and then while having desktop effects at "normal"?12:10
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contrast83sparsec: <FusioBot> To fix your beryl/compiz window decorations (titlebars) with an nVidia graphics card, run  sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24 , then restart !X.12:10
bastid_raZorsparsec: it saved all my previous settings.. i created a profile  before uninstalling. simply bring that profile back up. all the tweaks i had done were there12:10
contrast83sparsec: But...12:10
VousDeuxokay, I still cannot get an nvidia desktop with the -14 kernel12:10
skinnypuppy34Ok, I am trying to learn a few things about how ubuntu handles xsessions.12:11
contrast83sparsec: i'm not sure how well nvidia-xconfig is gonna work on Gutsy. you might find yourself having to run that command on a regular basis12:11
VousDeuxI've tried both nvidia-glx-new and the current .run version12:11
contrast83VousDeux: Thanks for the info. You just saved me from a headache-ridden reboot. :-)12:11
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sparseccontrast83: Ah, the joy of linux. All right, I admit defeat, and will try reinstalling compiz :)12:11
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ratpoisonsparsec: tell me you didn't try that at first!12:12
VousDeuxI have tried the generic version of the xorg.conf that was created by the installer, and my tweaked version.12:12
ratpoisonI thought we were beyond that!12:12
contrast83sparsec: actually, hang on, sorry.....12:12
sparsecratpoison: No, of course I didn't try reinstalling it :)12:12
contrast83sparsec: could you pastebin your xorg.conf?12:12
VousDeuxEither of these files works with the -13 kernel12:12
sparsecratpoison: Reinstalling things is the windows way, and I don't do this for quite some time :)12:13
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sparseccontrast83: I can't here in irc - it's prohibited12:13
sparseccontrast83: where can I dump it then?12:13
VousDeuxI can get a gui desktop with a vesa driver on either kernel12:13
ratpoisonjust remember to add  compizconfig-settings-manager, to the whole shebang of effects12:13
riotkittie!paste | sparsec12:13
ubotusparsec: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)12:13
contrast83sparsec: http://pastebin.ca12:13
ratpoisonalso a good idea: wgetpaste12:14
sparsecthanks12:14
VousDeuxI had hoped that since the linux header files were in today's updates that I could finally get my nvidia desktop back, but no such luck12:15
sparsechttp://pastebin.ca/73236512:15
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VousDeuxwhy does it seem like the nvidia drivers get broken every single time there is a kernel revision?12:15
sparsecVousDeux: I had hoped that since kernel freeze happened some week ago, rt2500 would work. Well it didn't and I owe it to ndiswrapper that I can browse the web12:15
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ratpoison... and here I thought that having an ATI card was a drag12:16
ratpoisonand we have two nvidia users w/ problems12:16
contrast83sparsec: i really hope this isn't your *entire* xorg.conf. :-)12:16
sparsecwell it is :)12:17
prakritiwhat does ubuntu use to generate an xorg.conf?12:17
VousDeuxIt seems like I have to spend hours fighting with nvidia at least once per week12:17
prakritii still have the same xorg.conf from feisty12:17
prakritiand I would like it to give me a new one12:17
sparseccontrast83: It got messed up a little when I fiddled with that "bulletproof-x"12:17
VousDeuxnow, nothing works12:17
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riotkittiert2500usb makes  me a sad panda :|12:17
prakritishould i delete it and remove xorg and reinstall?12:17
contrast83bulletproof-x is causing headaches en masse, it seems12:17
sparsecyeah - I only wanted to try out the "import win driver" feature, just for fun12:18
riotkittiei wonder if i should try compiling them from source. hmm.12:18
sparsecwell, it cost me - compiz broken, xorg messed up :)12:18
linuxnubwell im back after upating kernels and all the broken stuff still seems to be working as before12:19
contrast83sparsec: got a terminal open?12:19
sparseccontrast83: ups - it's just a part of xorg12:19
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sparseccontrast83: just a sec, will post the entire xorg12:19
ineedshellhelpanyone good with shell scripting??12:19
prakritiheh12:19
contrast83sparsec: -_~ i thought that was the entire xorg?12:19
contrast83ohh, got cha. nm12:19
ratpoisonDo not meddle in the affairs of the restricted drivers, for they are subtle and quick to anger12:19
VousDeuxwhat a pain...I'll be glad when all of my hardware is finally supported so I can stop installing updates and breaking everything...then spending hours, days, or weeks trying to figure out how to get it working again12:19
ratpoison...to paraphrase tolkien12:20
sparsechttp://pastebin.ca/73237312:20
contrast83lol ratpoison12:20
ineedshellhelpcan someone help me with some shell scripting12:20
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sparsecratpoison: Monitor "drivers" are hardly restricted, since they are plain text files ;)12:20
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localhostHi, does Anyone know when exactly the release candidate is going to be up????12:21
ratpoisonsparsec: they are subtle though... if you think what the are supposed to configure12:21
sparseclocalhost: sometime today12:21
linuxnubQQ Xubuntu does not seem to have a way to enable desktop effects?12:21
localhosttrue12:21
nosrednaekimok, my atheros wireless does in the last kernel update.12:21
localhostwas hoping.... sometime tonight12:21
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Jordan_Ulinuxnub, Xubuntu is aimed more at lower end hardware12:22
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nosrednaekim*died12:22
linuxnubya i know12:22
^Ocean^Im having a problem, I can only log into Gnome, if I log into the Gnome Failsafe12:22
localhostim newb too... is 512 really adequate for Kubu12:22
localhost?12:22
ratpoisonJordan_U: xubuntu is supposed to share the repositories with ubuntu... they are there I think12:22
localhosti have shared memmory .... sux....12:22
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sparseccontrast83: Have you checked my xorg.conf?12:22
linuxnubstill would like to know if there is a way to stop my system from locking up for a few seconds randomly when i have desktop effects at "normal"?12:23
Jordan_U^Ocean^, Have you added any session startup programs recently?12:23
ratpoisonJordan_U: try them at your own risk, mind you12:23
localhostlinuxnub12:23
contrast83sparsec: sorry, one sec....12:23
VousDeuxthis is bumming me out...I can usually find someone in here that can help me figure out why nvidia stopped working, but no such luck for the third day now12:23
ratpoison!patience | sparsec12:23
ubotusparsec: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines12:23
ratpoison:p12:23
^Ocean^Jordan_U, nope, only thing I have done is upgraded from Feisty, too Gutsy12:23
localhostthat's probably...,, not enough memmory12:23
Jordan_UVousDeux, How did you install the drivers?12:23
bastid_raZorif my upgrade fails miserably by trying to do it by apt-get would attempting to fix it with an iso work? or possibly fresh install from iso?12:24
Jordan_U^Ocean^, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy12:24
^Ocean^Jordan_U, Arnt I in that channel ?12:24
sparsecratpoison: Just assuring the address didn't get lost in the sea of posts :)_12:24
Jordan_U^Ocean^, My bad :)12:24
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localhosti had similar problems with heat issues in laptops... especially with Athlons hot ... throttling12:24
^Ocean^haha makin sure im just not that blizted12:24
VousDeuxfor the .run version, I booted to recover mode and then 'telinit 3' before the 'sudo sh NVIDIA....' command12:24
linuxnubare you referring to my issue localhost?12:24
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localhostyes12:24
ratpoisonjust having poking a little innocent fun, lost in the o' so poetic sea of infinite posts " <ratpoison> :p "12:24
localhosti am ;}12:25
linuxnubyes this is on a laptop with a fan mount beneath it12:25
Jordan_UVousDeux, Why aren't you using the drivers in the repos?12:25
localhostcan you use windows....?12:25
linuxnubis there a workaround for this?12:25
localhostjust curious... ... you can download fanspeed12:25
localhostsee if it's throttling...12:25
localhostwhat processor are you using12:25
VousDeuxfor the nvidia-glx-new version, I used 'apt-get-install nvidia-glx-new' from a non-gui prompt12:25
linuxnubhmm ill try it12:25
linuxnubits a turionx212:26
localhostit might be... speedfan12:26
localhostyep12:26
Jordan_UVousDeux, Why did you use the .run installer then?12:26
VousDeuxJordan_U: I have tried both, usually when one won't work the other will12:26
linuxnubHP dv241512:26
localhostlikely... temp goes up... and multiplier drops... can12:26
Jordan_UVousDeux, Which did you try first?12:26
localhosthappen a few times in a 30 sec period12:26
linuxnubya so how do you fix that exactly12:26
linuxnubthrottle fanspeeds?12:27
VousDeuxJordan_U: the nvidia-glx-new was already installed when I updated to the -14 kernel12:27
hoa3rSitzt bei euch das Logout-Splash-Fenster auch nicht genau in der Mitte?12:27
localhostno.... amd processors... slow down when they get hot12:27
contrast83sparsec: http://pastebin.ca/73237912:27
Jordan_U!de | hoa3r12:27
ubotuhoa3r: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de12:27
localhostsee if your core temp is high12:27
linuxnubim using one of those fan mounts underneath it to keep it cooler12:27
localhostif so... clean the inside....12:27
VousDeuxJordan_U: I first tried to just reinstall it, but it said it was already the latest version12:27
sparseccontrast83: thanks a lot, will try that12:27
localhosteven though... I've been in the same situation12:27
VousDeuxJordan_U: then I tried the .run version12:28
contrast83sparsec: no prob. good luck12:28
hoa3roops sorry. ubotu.12:28
ratpoisonVousDeux: Did you say you updated your kernels lately?12:28
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localhostsee if your core temp goes above 50 60 c12:28
Jordan_UVousDeux, try "sudo apt-get remove --reinstall nvidia-glx-new"12:28
VousDeuxJordan_U: then I tried the nvidia-glx-new again12:28
contrast83sparsec: not sure if you're able to deter Bulletproof X, but if you are, my advice would be to not use it at this point12:28
linuxnubif it does?12:28
dougbis there a way to disable ctrl+alt+del from bringing up the shutdown dialogue12:28
VousDeuxJordan_U: then I uninstalled the nvidia-glx-new and reinstalled it12:28
ratpoison(strike the plural from kernels)12:28
localhostif it is hot... check your fans12:28
localhostinside the lappy...12:29
linuxnubkk synaptic cant find fanspeed12:29
VousDeuxJordan_U: then I tried the .run version again12:29
localhostand ventilation... probably clogged with dust sumware12:29
ratpoisonVousDeux: did you restart? because I think that when your kernel is updated, your restricted modules have to be re-installed12:29
linuxnubthat the name of the app?12:29
localhostno.... only in MS windows... do i know a core temp checker proggie12:29
VousDeuxJordan_U: I also tried variations of the xorg.conf for each installation12:29
localhostim sure there is one for linux12:29
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linuxnublol i trashed Vista the second i got that laptop home12:30
magicrobotmonkeyi was trying to figure out how to crank the fans off the live cd cause it was overheating on install12:30
VousDeuxratpoison: yes, I always restart after any updates...I have restarted probably about 30 times since then12:30
linuxnubits a new lappy only a month old12:30
localhosthttp://www.almico.com/speedfan.php12:30
ratpoisonVousDeux: I envy your patience12:30
localhosthow much memmory12:30
localhost1gb12:30
ratpoisonpun not intented12:30
VousDeuxJordan_U: I will try that command...I have not tried it in exactly that manner...thanks12:30
localhost51212:30
localhostshould be enough.... what graphics adapter do you have.,...12:31
linuxnubkk thanks for the help localhost will try that out12:31
localhostim afk12:31
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localhostn|p hope something werks./... prolly a graphics adapter driver composite... god knows... etc....12:32
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VousDeuxI'm pretty sure the last thing I installed was the .run version, but Adept still says I have nvidia-glx-new12:32
VousDeuxand I do not appear to be running a restricted driver12:32
VousDeuxcould the .run version and nvidia-glx-new be the same thing?12:33
ratpoisonwell, what worked on my machine (curiously enough) was to check/uncheck the box at "ubuntu restricted drivers manager"12:33
ratpoisonand reboot12:34
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VousDeuxhmmm...12:34
ratpoisonSomething about correctly informing the kernel about the restricted modules I guess12:34
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rsferreiraMy notebook only boots Gusty on battery. On ac power it crashes some seconds after gdm is loaded, unless I set acpi=off in the kernel line. Has anyone seen something like this?12:35
markelhas!ethernet12:35
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ethernet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi12:35
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ratpoisonI don't like to play pro with restricted drivers, since 1.) I'm not a pro 2.) Never underestimate the impotence of closed source. So I do everything as per the "official way"12:36
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ratpoisonthat's why I only the GUI for that kind of shit12:36
markelhashow can i check the speed of my ethernet? cause i think i'm having speed problems.12:37
ratpoisonisn't it at your system-monitor?12:37
|neon|markelhas: use sudo ethtool eth012:38
markelhas|neon|, can u give me some tips?12:38
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|neon|what's the output you get with   the ethtool command12:39
hoa3ri have noticed that the logout spash window is not exactly vertically in the middle. i just heard that other users have this problem too.12:39
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markelhas|neon|, when i try to copy large files over my ethernet i've high time transfer12:39
hoa3rhere is a screenshot: http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8306/logoutscreenny0.png12:40
derFuchsi got this 'problem' as well12:40
derFuchs:-)12:40
|neon|what's the output you get with   the ethtool command12:40
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derFuchsbut i use a 4:3 monitor12:40
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markelhas|neon|, sudo ethtool12:41
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|neon|markelhas: use sudo ethtool eth012:41
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|neon|u should get something like this12:41
atlfalcons866will there be a huge update tomorrow12:41
|neon|Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes12:41
|neon|        Speed: 1000Mb/s12:41
|neon|        Duplex: Full12:41
|neon|        Port: Twisted Pair12:41
|neon|12:41
markelhas|neon|, Link detected: yes12:41
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|neon|speed? duplex?12:42
atlfalcons866will there be a huge update tomorrow12:42
markelhas|neon|, this is a wireless connection12:42
markelhas|neon|, 11Mb/s i think12:42
VousDeuxdang...finally. nothing like venting a little frustration and then figuring out the solution...I had to install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic again12:42
|neon|the command ethtool eth0 will give you the speed your nic is running what is it12:43
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hoa3rgn812:43
VousDeuxI swear I checked the list for that before I even installed the kernel in the first place12:43
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izm99my network is timing out on gutsy.  but i'm not sure where to file the bug....  It could be my rt2500 driver... it could be network manager, I'm not sure.  suggestions?12:44
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markelhas!paste12:44
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)12:44
atlfalcons866is release canditate almost identical to the final release?12:44
ratpoisonatlfalcons866 yup, pretty much12:45
markelhas|neon|, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40211/12:45
ratpoison!gutsy12:45
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information12:45
Seeker`atlfalcons866: Hopefully, yes, however, if big bugs are found, no12:45
|neon|i have a gigabit network running using a dual opteron with clark connect all nic are 1 gigabit the switch is 1 gigabit i noticed that my gutsy box is slow copying from my file server average 6 meg  copying into my file server the speeds are 30 megs so it couldbe something going on12:45
atlfalcons866is ext4 in gutsy12:45
ratpoisonhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+specs12:46
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|neon|you can use ethtool to change settings like duplex, speeds auto negotiation and so on it would help to see what speed are u running12:46
ratpoisonand https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule for the schedule12:46
markelhascan some one help with this network low speed problem?12:47
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atlfalcons866!ext412:47
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ext4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi12:47
atlfalcons866!ext312:47
ubotuext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org12:47
|neon|markelhas: i am trying if you could tell me what ethtool eth0 gives you l, couple things come to play your nic,     hd setup and so on so just saying my network is slow is very hard to figure out12:48
svuI hate ipw3945. It is so weird12:48
markelhaswhat time should take to transfer a file with 600MG from a windows machine with a lan100 to a laptop with 11Mb/s12:49
markelhas?12:49
markelhas|neon|, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40211/12:49
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Seeker`11Mb/s = 11/8 MB /s12:49
Seeker`which is ~1.25MB/s12:49
VousDeuxgood...clean boot. thanks for the help folks12:49
Seeker`so 600 / 1.25 seconds, at the minimum12:49
Seeker`but thats assuming you get full speed all the time12:50
Seeker`in reality it will be lower than that12:50
ratpoisonthat's assuming a lot actually12:50
Seeker`i'd guess it would take 15 mins or so12:50
markelhasSeeker`, hummmm that's my point for me takes double time 30 mins :(12:51
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ratpoisonatlfalcons866: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext412:51
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ratpoisonit says ext4 is developmental12:52
ricksonhi, i'm having trouble upgrading from feisty to gutsy using a cdrom12:52
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ricksonthe cdrom upgrade is hanging12:52
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ricksonnear the beginning12:52
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ricksondoes anyone know why this is?12:52
ratpoisondid you check your iso for errors?12:52
kyjaI know it is not supported but my restricted ati driver does not work12:53
Seeker`markelhas: Thats believable12:53
ricksonno, just in case i will12:53
markelhasSeeker`, hummm is it?12:53
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markelhasSeeker`, i think it's strange, maybe i'm wrong.12:53
ratpoisonkyja: what does your fglrxinfo say?12:53
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Seeker`markelhas: yup - 30 mins = 300k/s12:54
Jordan_Ukyja, In what way?Does X not start when you have it set to use fglrx?12:54
kyjaratpoison, idk how do idleone__ check?12:54
Seeker`= 2.4MB/s,12:54
ricksonhas anyone successfully upgraded using the cdrom?12:54
kyjait is checked but says not in use12:54
ratpoisonkyja: applications>Accessories>terminal12:54
ratpoisontype fglrxinfo12:54
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Jordan_U!paste | kyja12:55
ubotukyja: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)12:55
Seeker`markelhas: if its wireless, it is entirely possible that you only get that speed - you will never end up maxing out a connection due to overheads etc.12:55
markelhasSeeker`, ok. but i think when i was using windows this was less time.12:56
kyjahttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40213/12:56
markelhasSeeker`, right now i've started a transfer of a file with 700MG, says that will take 31 mins12:56
Seeker`markelhas: was the laptop in exactly the same place with exactly the same conditions + interference etc.?12:56
markelhasSeeker`, yap, just changes the os.12:57
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ratpoisonmarkelhas: as a scientist I have to tell you that wireless speed may depend on a lot of stuff you can't control, even the weather/humidity are very large factors12:57
Seeker`markelhas: my point was that the speed is dependant on a lot of uncontrollable things12:57
^Ocean^Im having a problem, I can only log into Gnome, if I log into the Gnome Failsafe12:58
markelhasSeeker`, right now it's transferring @ +-450KB/s.12:58
ratpoisonkyja: how did you go about installing your graphics card?12:58
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Seeker`if someone turned on a router a few houses away, it can affect the speed etc.12:58
kyjait us an ati radion x600 mobility. the restricted driver had been working.12:58
markelhasSeeker`, over a 11Mb/s i think it's slow. but maybe i wrong. later i'll check with a windows machine.12:59
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Seeker`markelhas: I would only be worried if it was regularly < 50kbps - and there isn't much you can do to improve it, short of move closer to the router12:59
Seeker`at uni the wireless is 54megabit, but in some places it drops to 3 or 4 kilobytes / sec, due to interferance from other networks / walls etc.01:00
ratpoisonkyja: check syste>Administration>restricted drivers manager. Is the box checked?01:00
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kyjait is checked and says not in use.01:00
markelhasSeeker`, lol i'm to close to it.01:00
kyjait just wont enable01:00
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ratpoisontry checking/unchecking the box01:00
kyjaI have and restarted several times01:01
ratpoisonkyja: did you update recently?01:01
markelhasSeeker`, ok thnks for the help01:01
markelhasSeeker`, go to go.01:01
kyjayes there have been a barage of updates01:01
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kyjai dont know I was wondering if there have been others with same trouble01:03
ratpoisonkyja: check on syaptic if your linux-restricted-modules (or somesuch) package is the same version as your kernel01:03
kyjaoooh good idea ratpoison01:03
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ratpoisonif it's not, boot from the previous kernel, until they are updated01:04
ratpoisonand then make sure you check/uncheck the box01:04
^Ocean^Im having a problem, I can only log into Gnome, if I log into the Gnome Failsafe01:06
kyjaI did notice soething. I will try it01:07
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atlfalcons866beagle dosent load on startup01:12
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cld2if I install beta and just keep do apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade will I be considered non beta once gutsy comes out? i should I just wait?01:15
cld2or should I just wait? sorry.01:15
ratpoisoncld2: you won't need dist-upgrade I think01:15
ratpoisonyou already HAVE gutsy01:16
ratpoison(or will)01:16
cld2ratpoison: ok, thanks. so just do upgrades. dist-upgrade if a new kernel or something thought.01:16
cld2ratpoison: like the WM?01:16
ratpoisonlike what? what do the initials mean?01:17
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cld2there is a non wimp windows manager (WM) called ratpoison01:17
^Ocean^whats the Compiz Window Manager ?01:17
cld2compiz01:17
ratpoisoncld2: no01:17
ratpoisonI don't even know why it's called a manager01:18
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ratpoison!compiz01:19
ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects01:19
bastid_raZorE: tzdata: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1001:19
bastid_raZorE: util-linux: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured01:19
bastid_raZorhow does one fix this lovely issue.01:19
ratpoisonmmmmmm package panic.... I don't envy you man01:20
ratpoisondid you by any chance install the linux32 package?01:20
bastid_raZori get this error after my upgrade to gutsy failed.. now i'm in limbo between gusty and fiesty01:20
^Ocean^compokay here it the problem, Compiz seems too start,   and i get window effects and stuff,   But no window Decorations ( The title bar , Min,Max, Close Buttons )01:20
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ratpoison^Ocean^: do you use emerald themes?01:21
^Ocean^ratpoison, Hmm, Easy way too find out ?01:21
bastid_raZorratpoison: i do not know what all gutsy installed. i wasn't around while the install installing01:21
ratpoisonbasid_raZor: check on synaptic01:22
ratpoisonbastid_raZor: check on synaptic01:22
bastid_raZorratpoison: no linux32 1-3build1 is not installed01:22
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