[08:55] <dholbach> good morning
[11:18] <asac> Mithrandir: isn't there a milestone release for mobile this week as well? any help help needed to sponsor/review packages for that?
[11:26] <Mithrandir> asac: next week, with the release.
[11:27] <Mithrandir> but yeah, I'm hoping the moblin people are going to spend a little bit of time to push those updates in soon
[11:30] <asac> Mithrandir: ok cool. Is there a list of packages that still need to get in?
[11:30] <asac> Mithrandir: or are most just updates?
[11:33] <Mithrandir> mostly updates, but I think we want to get the new UI in too.
[11:33] <asac> theme?
[11:33] <Mithrandir> well, the theme too, but that wasn't what I was thinking about.
[11:35] <Mithrandir> mobile-clutter-home
[11:36] <asac> http://www.moblin.org/repos/ ... how is it named there?
[11:42] <Mithrandir> it's not listed, but it's available if you just mangle the url a bit
[11:49] <asac> mdz: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/schrep/archives/2007/10/mozilla_and_mobile.html
[11:52] <mdz> davidm: ^^^
[11:52] <mdz> asac: thanks
[11:53] <asac> mdz: did you talk to schrep when you were in mountain view (i think a few month back)? e.g. does he know about our efforts?
[11:54] <mdz> asac: no, only John Lilly
[11:55] <mdz> asac: and the minimo guy
[11:55] <mdz> asac: I have talked with schrep quite a bit in the past about Mozilla and Ubuntu, but not recently, and not since we began the mobile project
[11:55] <asac> mdz: ok, i would like to send him a heads-up mail ... unless you want to take-over of course.
[11:55] <mdz> asac: john lilly did mention to me their desire to move into mobile, but so far, their work has been on making a small browser
[11:56] <asac> mdz: his mail would be schrep@mozilla.com
[11:56] <mdz> asac: (tiny screens, tiny storage)
[11:56] <mdz> while what we want is a MID-sized (ha ha) browser
[11:56] <mdz> asac: feel free to contact him on our behalf; please copy davidm
[11:56] <asac> ok, just @canonical.com?
[11:57] <mdz> asac: david.mandala@canonical.com
[11:57] <asac> thanks
[11:59] <davidm> asac, or davidm@canonical.com will work also
[11:59] <davidm> either or
[12:39] <lool> Mithrandir: That would be the mesa lpia fix: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/packages/mesa/7.0.1-1ubuntu3/gutsy-lpia-pbuilder/  Indeed, using a base.tgz works fine; I tried looking into the cowdancer issue, but it seemed subtle and time consuming, so I'll try reproducing with something more traditionnal such as amd64/i386 instead of amd64/lpia and see if it still happens there
[12:40] <Mithrandir> lool: can you just post the debdiff there, please?
[12:42] <lool> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/packages/mesa/7.0.1-1ubuntu3/gutsy-lpia-pbuilder/mesa_7.0.1-1ubuntu3.debdiff
[12:43] <Mithrandir> that trivial. :-)
[12:43] <lool> Yeah :)
[12:43] <lool> But I checked it built fine; I wasn't sure other files didn't need changes too
[12:44] <lool> Mithrandir: BTW, not sure whether the appropriate dri module will be available, it will only help for installability; the list of files in the package is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/736/
[12:45] <lool> (No intel module, but then this might not be required in their case, I don't know)
[12:46] <Mithrandir> I think we want a dri module for mccaslin
[12:46] <lool> Does Intel engineering work on such code perhaps?
[12:47] <lool> I guess they know that they need the userspace counterpart in mesa
[12:47] <Mithrandir> that's for menlow, not mccaslin
[01:24] <Mithrandir> mesa sure takes its time to compile.
[03:29] <lool> Mithrandir: Yeah, I was surprized as wel
[03:29] <lool> l
[03:30] <lool> Mithrandir: If you didn't start the build, could you add a LP: # to the changelog?
[03:32] <Mithrandir> sure, I could.  I'm looking at fixing the problem first, though
[03:45] <lool> Mithrandir: The id is #151228
[03:45] <lool> Mithrandir: Are you looking in having a new dri module?
[04:05] <agoliveira> kwwii: Hi Ken. I just uploaded the theme packages. As soon as they are ready (built), I'll let you know.
[04:07] <agoliveira> kwwii: Actually, after the talk we had the final changes became ridiculously simple :)
[04:07] <kwwii> agoliveira: sweet, thanks man
[04:07] <kwwii> can you send me an email with some simple instructions on how to upload my changes
[04:08] <agoliveira> kwwii: My pleasure. Sorry it took so long.
[04:09] <kwwii> agoliveira: no worries, I just want to get in some changes to the gtkrc (through the template) befreo we release
[04:10] <Mithrandir> lool: I'm off for the day, so if you have spare cycles, please do attack it.  If not, I'll poke it tomorrow morning.
[04:11] <lool> Mithrandir: Hmm I'm not sure what needs to be done
[04:12] <Mithrandir> lool: me neither, maybe talk to bryce about it, he might have an idea.
[04:12] <lool> Good idea
[04:26] <spheric> hi
[04:26] <spheric> does anybody know how to change the flash menu?
[04:30] <ian_brasil> spheric: just add your image and a desktop file in the target
[04:31] <spheric> where do i have to put the desktop file?
[04:31] <spheric> an the icon :p
[04:31] <spheric> and
[04:50] <ian_brasil> spheric: have you seen the ume guide?
[04:50] <spheric> in the wiki?
[04:50] <ian_brasil> yes, have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UMEGuide/ApplicationDevelopment
[04:51] <ian_brasil> Porting a Python App to UME is your best bet
[04:52] <spheric> thanks, i'll take a look
[04:52] <ian_brasil> no problem
[04:53] <spheric> i'm triyng to install xournal to use it at class...
[04:53] <spheric> i like very much the interface...
[04:54] <spheric> i'm using it in a hp tc1100
[04:55] <ian_brasil> cool...there is a bit more about flash on my blog too http://ianlawrence.info/random-stuff/location-services-on-ubuntu-mobile
[04:58] <spheric> ouch! i see it's no as easy as i thought...
[04:59] <ian_brasil> spheric: it is pretty easy really..if you need help just shout
[05:00] <spheric> thanks
[05:00] <spheric> :)
[05:01] <ian_brasil> if you know flash just copy the .fla and change that and then create the .swf
[05:01] <ian_brasil> and put it in the target filesystem
[05:06] <spheric> ops, i don't know flash, but i'll try
[05:07] <spheric> can i do that with ume running? inside it?
[05:09] <ian_brasil> spheric: what do you want to do to the flash menu?
[05:10] <spheric> i want to add an icon to lauch xournal
[05:13] <ian_brasil> cool...for this then you need to add the icon to flash and have it execute when you click it
[05:14] <ian_brasil> xournal looks cool...do you use this for school?
[05:16] <spheric> yes, for university classes
[05:17] <spheric> this way, i don't loose them and i can carry all teachers pdf's without break my back
[05:21] <ian_brasil> have you tried starting it from the shell?..it might be easier this way if you don't know flash
[05:24] <spheric> nope
[05:24] <spheric> i'll try.
[05:25] <ian_brasil> click on the shell icon and type xournal and then enter ;)
[05:25] <spheric> i don't understand why use flash :$
[05:26] <ian_brasil> there is a html interface too
[05:28] <spheric> th "howto" for the html interface is also in the ubuntu wiki?
[05:30] <bspencer> spheric, I didn't create any "howto" yet.  What information would you like?
[05:30] <spheric> (i'm sorry if i'm boring you :$)
[05:31] <spheric> just how to use it. if i do not install the flash plugin, it appears a text telling me i have to
[05:32] <bspencer> Mithrandir, was going to install a new version of the mobile-basic-flash
[05:32] <bspencer> after that it will default to the HTML UI.  No flash needed
[05:34] <ian_brasil> my default is the html
[05:34] <bspencer> ian_brasil, black background version?
[05:34] <ian_brasil> bspencer:yes
[05:37] <ian_brasil> bpencer: ah, no it is like ubuntu brown
[05:39] <ian_brasil> spheric: you are not boring me...you told me about xournal which i did not know about
[05:39] <spheric> thanks...
[05:40] <spheric> xournal is hildonized... i have it in my n700
[05:40] <bspencer> ian_brasil, ugh  :).  You should change the background to black using control panel
[05:40] <spheric> so i think it would be easier to port/adapt
[05:45] <ian_brasil> spheric: OK, sounds like a useful tool..i will try it out this weekend 
[05:46] <spheric> i think is the best one. I've tried jarnal and gournal too, but i prefer xournal
[05:47] <ian_brasil> do you have any config problems with your n700?
[05:47] <spheric> nope
[05:47] <spheric> i had with some dependencies
[05:48] <spheric> but adding extras maemo repo, every thing works fine
[06:05] <agoliveira> spheric: I didn't see any hildon code on the xournal we have on the repository which is not surprising as it's not common that "hildonizations" arrive upstream but this is of interest to UME. Can you send me the sources or patchs or point me where I can find this hildonized xournal?
[06:08] <spheric> etrunko is the hacker ( http://etrunko.blogspot.com/ )
[06:08] <spheric> supose th e code can be in the repo ( http://www.bgran.net/etrunko/apt/pool/user/x/xournal/ )
[07:47] <agoliveira_lunch> AM I here yet?
[07:48] <agoliveira> Now I am :)
[07:57] <smagoun> what's the URL for the nightly build images?
[08:02] <agoliveira> smagoun: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/moblin/ and choose your poison :)
[08:03] <smagoun> thanks!
[08:16] <ian_brasil> is something supposed to appear when executing the control panel in the UI?
[08:17] <ian_brasil> i get the context menu but just a white background
[08:21] <ian_brasil> maybe i need to apt-get moblin-applets then
[08:31] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: Same here
[08:33] <amitk> Inuka, rob_moblin: Hi
[08:34] <rob_moblin> hi amitk 
[08:35] <amitk> Good to hear about the test. I just want to make sure that there are no major issues that will hold back UME in 2 weeks when Gutsy is released
[08:36] <ian_brasil> agoliveira:yes that was it...control panel looks great!
[08:40] <rob_moblin> amitk, we've only tested it with SDIO WLAN card...we should look at having SDIO devices and SD memory cards plugged in at the same time ... we've heard reports that is a problem with the MSS stack
[08:50] <agoliveira> Ooooh. What does this button do?
[09:08] <amitk> Mithrandir: Just tried the daily build. The one for samsung doesn't need the lpia kernel - only lpiacompat
[09:15] <agoliveira> amitk: Tollef took off some time ago already
[11:07] <agoliveira> Slowly... ports go slowly... it's taking forever... doing an upgrade (sing it like Akon's Lonely)
[12:24] <bspencer> anyone tried the new HTML UI?
[12:25] <bspencer> I just realized that our default theme might not be "mobilebasic"   Not sure if it is "Human"
[12:25] <bspencer> the new UI reads the gconf theme value.  
[12:25] <bspencer> w/o the right theme default set in gconf the backgrounds of the buttons will be missing.  
[12:25] <bspencer> fyi
[12:25] <bspencer> :)
[12:51] <bspencer> kwwii_, ping   What theme packages will we have ?
[12:51] <bspencer> (theme and icon)
[12:52] <bspencer> for example.  kwwii_theme, hicolor icon pkg, kwwii_icon_theme, hildon-icon theme
[12:52] <suihkulokki> bspencer: I notice you have a quite modified data/*.conf set in hildon-desktop
[12:52] <bspencer> oops, I meant 1 theme, and 3 icon packages which fall back 
[12:52] <bspencer> suihkulokki, hello.  
[12:53] <bspencer> have we met?
[12:53] <bspencer> modified from the dfeault hildon?
[12:53] <suihkulokki> I don't think so
[12:53] <suihkulokki> yes
[12:53] <bspencer> movial
[12:53] <suihkulokki> I guess it would make more sense to maintain the UME and maemo versions in separate directories
[12:53] <bspencer> suihkulokki, yes, definatley
[12:53] <bspencer> we actually made a proposal for a patch for UME stuff in hildon
[12:53] <bspencer> they responded by suggesting that a particular UI layout shouldn't be part of the upstream Hildon
[12:54] <bspencer> and they were going to reorganize it a little
[12:54] <bspencer> that's the last I heard about it
[12:54] <bspencer> it would be nice if it were a separate package I think
[12:54] <bspencer> so we didn't have to  these UI-specific changes upstream
[12:54] <suihkulokki> well, separate package would be even better
[12:55] <suihkulokki> since those config files are heavily dependant on implementation and screen size
[12:56] <bspencer> yes, that is another problem
[12:57] <bspencer> Hildon now supports auto-stretching the panel graphics
[12:57] <suihkulokki> how I noticed - I was trying to merge the latest upstream code tu ubuntu/debian branches..
[12:57] <bspencer> so we specify 800x480, but if the screen is 1024x600 then it will stretch them
[12:57] <suihkulokki> conflict hell
[12:57] <bspencer> oh, we are doing the same work too
[12:57] <bspencer> I asked horace here to get the latest Hildon and see what needed to be changed wrt ubuntu's version
[12:58] <bspencer> mainly the data folder
[12:58] <bspencer> there are a few small changes elsewhere iirc
[12:58] <suihkulokki> not much seems changed.. mostly bugfixes.
[12:58] <bspencer> right, that's what Nokia guys said
[01:01] <bspencer> anyone here played with the microphone on the Q1 ?