[05:51] <Jucato> nalioth: you around? someone's spamming #kde no ops around
[05:51] <Jucato> thank you!!
[05:52] <nalioth> :)
[05:52] <nalioth>   /ignore works well
[05:52] <Jucato> yeah, but poor #kde :)
[05:53] <Jucato> thank you again! :)
[05:55] <nalioth> Jucato: it builds character
[05:55] <Jucato> heheh )
[05:55] <Jucato> :) I mean
[06:07] <jdong> KaraKter?
[06:07] <Tm_T> perhaps
[06:08] <jdong> KaraKtre for that other half of the world...
[06:09] <Jucato> karakter would be acceptable in our language here
[08:27] <Seveas> !ops
[08:27] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici
[08:27] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops
[08:28] <rob> yes?
[08:28] <tonyyarusso> Yes?
[08:28] <Seveas> he's back, apart from a bit of lag he's good now
[08:28] <Madpilot> lagbot
[08:28] <Madpilot> there were probably better tells to test that on :)
[08:28] <Seveas> still joining channels
[08:28] <Seveas> neh, now everyone knows :)
[08:28] <tonyyarusso> ah, just the bot
[08:29] <Seveas> @channels
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 #bzr, #edubuntu, #falcon, #jokosher, #kubuntu, #kubuntu-devel, #kubuntu-offtopic, #kubuntu-testers, #launchpad, #ubuntu, #ubuntu+1, #ubuntu-accessibility, #ubuntu-arizona, #ubuntu-artwork, #ubuntu-au, #ubuntu-bots, #ubuntu-bugs, #ubuntu-ca, #ubuntu-chicago, #ubuntu-classroom, #ubuntu-desktop, #ubuntu-devel, #ubuntu-doc, #ubuntu-effects, #ubuntu-gr, #ubuntu-il, #ubuntu-in, #ubuntu-ir, #ubuntu-k
[08:29] <Seveas> ernel, #ubuntu-lb, (2 more messages)
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[08:29] <Seveas> s, #ubuntuforums- (1 more message)
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 beginners, #ubuntuforums-hardware, #ubuntustudio, #xubuntu, #xubuntu-devel, and #xubuntu-offtopic
[08:30] <Madpilot> busy bot. what the heck is #ubuntu-x?
[08:30] <Seveas> X developers
[08:30] <Madpilot> ah, right
[08:42] <jussi01> wow, I didnt know half of those existed...
[09:18] <Hobbsee> anyone know why the #ubuntu+1 channel is what it is?
[09:21] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: what do you mean?
[09:21] <Hobbsee> particularly the part about nto running gutsy
[09:23] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: hrm?
[09:23] <Hobbsee> seems odd to have a blanket 'dont run gutsy' at all
[09:23] <jussi01> huh.. thats weird!!
[09:24] <jussi01> hmmm... set by gnomefreak.... whats going on?
[09:25] <Hobbsee> pricey had it there first, i think gnomefreak did a typo fix or something
[09:25] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: You asked in the channel?
[09:25] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: any serious libc6 or kernel breakage kinds of things atm?
[09:27] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: libc6 shouldnt break.  kernel = possibly, there's a api bump to -14
[09:27] <Seeker`> I'm running the latest version, and there doesn't seem to be anything hugely obviously wrong
[09:27] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Well, then I'd say try to find someone knowledgable about that, and if nothing's going on, change the wording to something like "DON'T run Gutsy unless you are helping with development and can deal with a broken system"
[09:28] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: i'm on the frickign release team.  i shouldn tneed to find someone else who's knowledgable.
[09:29] <Hobbsee> technically, if i dont know what's going on in terms of breakage, there's something wrong :)
[09:29] <Hobbsee> stupid_comment++
[09:29] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Doh.  May I take this opportunity to point out that a) well, you did ask... and b) it's 2:30 friggin' AM, it is WELL withing stupid time in UCT-5.  :)
[09:30] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: yes, i asked why the topic didnt match reality :)
[09:31] <Seeker`> Where is most of the release tema based?
[09:31] <tonyyarusso> "stupid time" btw is the period between 10PM and 10AM, during which you can use it as an excuse for 98% of standard lapses of judgement, speaking ability, reasoning, etc.
[09:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:31] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: "Because you haven't fixed it yet" would be your answer then.
[09:31] <Hobbsee> right
[09:32] <Seeker`> tonyyarusso: I'd say midnight and noon
[09:33] <tonyyarusso> Seeker`: that works too
[09:33] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: libc hasnt broken in ages, actually
[09:34] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: well what fun is that?  Go hack it!
[09:34] <Hobbsee> haha
[09:34] <Seeker`> The only problem I have in Gutsy atm is the lack of autocomplete in apt-get package names
[09:34] <Hobbsee> WFM, but i have a custom .bashrc
[09:35] <Seeker`> commands autocomplete for me though
[09:36] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: Is there anything I should have to make it autocomplete then?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> unsure
[09:37] <tonyyarusso> you could diff your bashrc against hers...
[09:37] <Hobbsee> yes, but i'm going out.
[09:37] <tonyyarusso> lucky you
[09:38] <Seeker`> I dont have a .bashrc
[09:38] <Seeker`> which could explain it
[09:39] <Seeker`> hmm, fixed it now - needed to create .bashrc, and add the line "source /etc/bash_completion"
[09:58] <tonyyarusso> Pici: You were looking for an #ubuntu logfile?  http://www.tonyyarusso.com/ubuntu/%23ubuntu.log (57 MB)
[10:07] <ubotu> Arafangion called the ops in #ubuntu
[10:09] <chris00_297249> see my naked ex on www.nackte-ex.de.gg   <my revange!
[10:10] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[10:19] <tonyyarusso> rob: I really need to go to bed - can you watch scoobydoo28139 in #ubuntu please?
[10:19] <rob> righto
[11:45] <gnomefreak> jussi01: pricey set it only thing i did was remove the <package> is broken part. i was gonna fix it but forgot to 
[11:48] <gnomefreak> jussi01: fixed
[11:49] <gnomefreak> it will be changed again but for now its fine (atleast until they release the freeze
[12:52] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !wallpapers is <reply> You can find wallpapers, themes, icons and other types of art at: http://art.gnome.org, http://gnome-look.org, http://kde-look.org.
[12:59] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !wallpapers is <alias> themes
[01:16] <Pici> tonyyarusso: Thanks! thats exactly what I needed
[03:15] <ubotu> Pici called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:00] <ubotu> MTecknology called the ops in #ubuntu+1
[05:01] <Pici> If I had known he was going to do that I would have said somethign.
[05:02] <LjL> Pici: you couldn't have known, he definitely said -ops
[05:02] <LjL> !-ops
[05:02] <ubotu> ops aliases: kops, op, medic, calltheops, call the ops - added by Seveas on 2006-07-29 12:54:12
[05:02] <Hobbsee> medic?!?!
[05:02] <LjL> Hobbsee: *shrug* seveas
[05:03] <Hobbsee> yeah, true
[05:03] <LjL> !no ops is <reply> USE !OPS ONLY IN EMERGENCIES! - Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici
[05:03] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[05:03] <Hobbsee> nice
[05:03] <LjL> i'm sick of people who claim to have seen it used before
[05:03] <LjL> but "thought it was only to know who the ops were"
[05:04] <LjL> (the "Help!" should always have given them a clue, but it seems not)
[05:04] <Amaranth> LjL: dude, PM
[05:05] <LjL> Amaranth: sure
[05:05] <LjL> ah wait you meant the *factoid*
[05:05] <LjL> it was *intended* to make the ops aware of the change
[05:05] <Amaranth> I'm sure we'd figure it out :)
[05:05] <jdong> LjL: isn't it too late by then? :)
[05:06] <jdong> LjL: maybe we need a UAC for !ops
[05:06] <Pici> jdong: I was thinking the same thing
[05:06] <LjL> jdong: nope, because people *see* this command used, and they *think* it can be used freely
[05:06] <LjL> at least, many of them claim so
[05:06] <LjL> i mostly don't believe them
[05:06] <Amaranth> This way we can just boot them without arguement
[05:06] <LjL> but this way they have one less excuse
[05:06] <jdong> LjL: Microsoft Windows Vista detected an attempt to call ops. (!A)llow (!D)eny (!H)elp
[05:06] <LjL> Amaranth: yeah, to make a long story short :)
[05:06] <Pici> jdong: or perhaps it gives them enough time to escape before the ops come and yell at them
[05:06] <jdong> lol
[05:07] <jdong> I still think my solution would work
[05:07] <LjL> jdong: no, that would be a non-user-grantable feature (well, symbian would call it "non-user-understandable"), so you wouldn't even be prompted
[05:07] <Pici> It should be (!O)kay / (!C)ancel just to be questionably ambiguous.
[05:07] <jdong> lol
[05:07] <LjL> jdong, yeah it would but that factoid should be able to be called *quickly* =)
[05:17] <Pici> -911
[05:23] <gnomefreak> if they call !ops than they see the message isnt it too late than
[05:23] <Mez> why not just do a ! ops  is <reply> due to abuse, we now use ! callops ... if you want to know who the ops are ... then use /cs acces #ubuntu list - if you need us in an emergency, use !callops
[05:24] <LjL> gnomefreak, as i said, it's for people who see !ops called and believe (or claim to believe) it's just a command to see who the ops are. we *have* had people who've been on the channels for month, and out of the blue they "innocently" use !ops
[05:24] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[05:24] <LjL> Mez, maybe, but i'd discuss that one with seveas before making the change
[05:24] <Pici> Right, its not for the people using ops, its for people seeing people using ops.
[05:25] <Mez> LjL, indeed
[05:25] <jdong> Mez: that'll just cause people to go abuse !callops
[05:25] <jdong> I've also seen people use !ops in #uf thinking somehow Ubotu would op them.
[05:25] <jdong> lol
[05:26] <Pici> Well #uf gets those kind of special visitors
[05:26] <jdong> Pici: special with the backwards e and the drool over the i?
[05:26] <Pici> Exactly, I coudlnt find the unicode characters for that though.
[05:26] <LjL> jdong, well, but in that case we'd ban them right away - you cannot claim ignorance if it's explained in a way that leaves to room to doubt
[05:26] <jdong> lol
[05:27] <jdong> LjL: yeah, i guess :)
[05:27] <Pici> We had a rash of people !opsing 'just to see who the ops are' a few weeks ago
[05:29] <jdong> everyone saw the xkcd today right?
[05:29] <gnomefreak> yeah i think it was this morning
[05:29] <gnomefreak> saw it in -kernel
[05:32] <jdong> yeah, I thought that was pretty good :)
[05:33] <Seeker`> did you see the "hover over" text too?
[05:33] <Pici> !xkcd
[05:33] <ubotu> xkcd is possibly the greatest geeky webcomic ever. It even makes jokes about Ubuntu. http://www.xkcd.com/  and especially the one about 'sudo make me a sandwich' - http://xkcd.com/c149.html
[05:33] <Pici> heheh
[07:36] <Pici> !away | mez
[07:36] <ubotu> mez: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[07:36] <Pici> :)
[07:36] <stdin> tut tut, Mez should know better
[07:42] <tonyyarusso> !-ohmy
[07:42] <ubotu> ohmy has no aliases - added by Spec on 2006-07-28 00:11:42
[07:42] <tonyyarusso> !-language
[07:42] <ubotu> language aliases: langauge, wtf, ffs, foad, gtfo - added by Seveas on 2006-07-02 10:45:17
[07:42] <tonyyarusso> !language
[07:42] <Pici> tonyyarusso: I was just doing the same exact thing in my ubotu window
[07:42] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:42] <Pici> Thanks for the logs again :)
[07:42] <tonyyarusso> Pici: ah, okay - I'll leave it to you then :)
[07:42] <tonyyarusso> np
[07:42] <Pici> I dont have bot access though
[07:42] <Seveas> you should have
[07:42] <Seveas> @user list
[07:42] <ubotu> abattoir, ajmitch, Amaranth, apokryphos, asac, bdmurray, binary2k2, burgundavia, cjwatson, dkbg, elkbuntu, fdoving, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, highvoltage, Hobbsee, imbrandon, jenda, jpatrick, jrib, Jucato, LaserJock, LjL, Madpilot, mako, maxamillion, mez, mneptok, mrimbert, myrtti, nalioth, nixternal, ompaul, pici, pr1cechild, pricechi1d, PriceChild, pricey, Riddell, rob, robotgeek, sabdfl, Seveas, seveaz, spec, (1 more message)
[07:42] <Seveas> eek
[07:42] <Pici> oh
[07:43] <Seveas> it should do that in pm
[07:43] <Pici> Let me check then
[07:43] <Pici> Seveas: I'm a user, but not an editor
[07:43] <Seveas> ahh
[07:43] <Seveas> @addeditor Pici
[07:43] <ubotu> OK
[07:43] <Pici> ubotu: okay
[07:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about okay - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:43] <Pici> Seveas: thanks
[07:51] <Seveas> http://i20.tinypic.com/k0oig3.jpg -- I like the humour of it but man are they insane :)
[07:55] <jpatrick> nett
[08:15] <nalioth> is there a way to search inside text files for a string?
[08:15] <nalioth> my grep-fu is slight
[08:16] <Pici> grep 'string' file
[08:16] <stdin> yeah  grep "my string here" file
[08:19] <jpatrick> grep "string" * 
[08:20] <jdong> sometimes it's more conveient to less/vi the file and use /string
[08:20] <jdong> then /<enter> to continue search
[08:22] <jdong> pfft whatever you lack in vi-emacs-grep-sed-awk foo you more than make up for in irc-foo :)
[08:23] <nalioth> yeah, well.
[08:23] <nalioth> i run more than irc.
[08:54] <nixternal> how come I keep losing "editor" access on ubotu?
[08:56] <ompaul> nixternal, do %btlogin
[08:57] <nixternal> %btlogin
[08:57] <nixternal> and?
[08:58] <nixternal> I can log in fine
[08:58] <nixternal> if only the website worked
[08:59] <nixternal> ahh, took long enough to load the site
[10:22] <ubotu> dgjones called the ops in #ubuntu
[10:22] <ubotu> erUSUL called the ops in #ubuntu
[10:52] <gnomefreak> Pici: are you here?
[10:52] <Pici> gnomefreak: I'm a bit busy
[10:52] <Pici> gnomefreak: Whats up?
[10:52] <gnomefreak> Pici: ok just wondered who this person it
[10:53] <gnomefreak> flare... in #ubuntu calling out who ops are
[10:53] <Pici> I think I helped him once in the past.
[10:53] <Pici> I don't have time to do so right now.
[10:54] <gnomefreak> me neither ;)
[11:48] <pigcum> hello wtf is this?
[11:48] <pigcum> i tried to join #ubuntu
[11:48] <pigcum> why did i end up here?
[11:50] <Seeker`> O.o
[12:01] <Pici> @btlogin
[12:17] <LjL> what an idiot
[12:24] <Pumpernickel> Reading comprehension must not be his thing.
[12:32] <jdong> wasn't he told to change his nick a lot of times too?
[12:40] <tonyyarusso> LjL: While I normally go harsher on that word (among others) than general profanity, I'm also starting to kick things up a notch in preparation for what it takes to keep things reasonably sane around release time.  Thoughts?
[12:41] <jdong> tonyyarusso: it's orders of degrees worse than swearing once or twice when nvidia drivers blow up
[12:42] <tonyyarusso> jdong: yeah, pretty much my figuring.  I clump deragatory terms for groups of people in the /abr category.
[12:42] <LjL> tonyyarusso: see "what an idiot" above. he deserves everything he gets. though generally speaking, i'd keep applying the "kick first time ban second time" general rule - kick, give !etiquette !guidelines !coc, warn that another even slight misbehavior won't be tolerated
[12:42] <jdong> tonyyarusso: I mean, unless he has a really good reason for it (i.e. it's his real name)
[12:43] <jdong> which I doubt.
[12:43] <LjL> i think it's really more efficient this way as it allows us to just tell people who come here "you were warned, now bye" instead of arguing for hours
[12:43] <LjL> (while #ubuntu is being taken by trolls and we don't notice)
[12:43] <Seeker`> do you need extra ops around release time?
[12:43] <tonyyarusso> LjL: point
[12:43] <LjL> (not that they'd do this *on purpose* of course ;)
[12:43] <tonyyarusso> Seeker`: maybe ?  Ask the councily types.
[12:44] <LjL> Seeker`: we really mostly need people to 1) not feed the trolls 2) call ops when needed, and only when needed 3) poke ops with to-the-point information about what the hell is happening when something weird is happening
[12:44] <Seeker`> LjL: Fair enough - just thought I'd ask as I manage to spend a reasonable amount of time hanging around