[08:54] <Ed933> Hey everyone, I've got a little problem
[08:55] <Ed933> the panel strangely dissappeared
[08:55] <Ed933> disappeared
[08:55] <Ed933> and I made it come bak
[08:55] <Ed933> but now I can't shutdown the computer?!
[08:55] <Ed933> since the shutdown button is gone
[09:37] <annaimkonki> can xubuntu run on an old mac 6500 series??
[09:37] <tonyyarusso> annaimkonki: what kind of specs does it have?
[09:38] <annaimkonki> http://www.mac-pro.com/s.nl/it.A/id.106/.f
[09:39] <annaimkonki> 250 mhz.. 4gb...
[09:39] <tonyyarusso> annaimkonki: Do you know the RAM with your particular model?
[09:40] <annaimkonki> just a moment
[09:41] <annaimkonki> virtual mem: 97mb built in:96mb
[09:41] <annaimkonki> dsk cach: 3mb
[09:41] <tonyyarusso> ok
[09:41] <annaimkonki> machine speed: 250 mhz
[09:41] <tonyyarusso> I believe the answer is yes, it can.  However, I don't know that it would be ideal.
[09:42] <tonyyarusso> Regardless, you will definitely need to use the !alternate CD to install.
[09:42] <annaimkonki> tonyyarusso: which distro do in your opinion is good to run old computers... macs particularly
[09:42] <tonyyarusso> I would suggest trying Xubuntu, but keeping in mind you may need to look into other graphical environments.  I have a little bit of experience with some of those, so may be able to help.
[09:43] <tonyyarusso> annaimkonki: I'd still use the Ubuntu base, but just switch up the graphics to something like Fluxbox, IceWM, or one of those lighter ones.
[09:43] <tonyyarusso> annaimkonki: PPC is no longer an official architecture for Ubuntu, but still exists and is well supported/developed by the community.
[09:45] <tonyyarusso> annaimkonki: The system requirements page says "Once installed, Xubuntu can run with 64 MB RAM, but it is strongly recommended to use at least 128 MB RAM.", and you're halfway between the two, so it may well be fine.  The other possibility is that you will just want to tweak things like running background daemons, use Epiphany instead of Firefox, and that sort of thing.
[09:46] <annaimkonki> ok... thanks, which cd should i download
[09:47] <annaimkonki> the cd works for x86 and power pcs??
[09:48] <tonyyarusso> annaimkonki: PPC
[09:53] <annaimkonki> these are the sc images.. xubuntu-7.04-deesktop-amd64.iso the otheris i386
[09:53] <annaimkonki> and there is a alternate download tonyyarusso
[09:54] <tonyyarusso> annaimkonki: a sec - I'll figure out where they are
[09:55] <tonyyarusso> annaimkonki: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/7.04/release/ubuntu-7.04-alternate-powerpc.iso
[09:56] <annaimkonki> tonyyarusso: thanks alot...
[09:56] <tonyyarusso> np
[10:26] <annaimkonki> okay i have xubuntu and i want to install is to my ppc... do i need to shut the mac down???
[11:24] <oshiii-_^> oshi-
[11:51] <OiPenguinn> Has anyone experience a problem similar to this? Se screenshot: http://lars.kvisle.no/error_wireless.jpg
[11:52] <OiPenguinn> Once is added on occational reboots and it keeps getting more and more. In a few weeks, the entire top of my screen will be filled with wireless icons.
[11:59] <evge> Hi, I'm running 7.04 and want to update to 7.10 beta, how to do that ?
[12:01] <nanonyme> #ubuntu+1 is the right channel for this
[12:01] <nanonyme> until 18. day of this month
[12:01] <nanonyme> 18th even :)
[12:14] <OiPenguinn> I have an unreliable CD-drive. Is there an easy way to upgrade to 7.10 beta without downloading the image?
[12:21] <totalwormface> yes
[12:22] <totalwormface> sudo update-manager -c -d
[12:22] <OiPenguinn> Bokstavelig talt, eller representerer -c -d noe? Jeg er ikke erfaren terminalbruker.
[12:23] <totalwormface> it's looks for beta releases
[12:25] <cjae> if running to instances of x why cannot have two volume controls?
[12:25] <cjae> -to +two
[12:26] <OiPenguinn> totalwormface: great. I'm at it.
[12:28] <gnomefreak> no -c is needed its used by default
[12:29] <cjae> what should I do with this W: GPG error: http://packages.dfreer.org feisty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY D4C9CD8F7572013D
[12:30] <totalwormface> look at the website of which you obtained this repo
[12:30] <totalwormface> look for the key, add it
[12:30] <cjae> does this mean I am dling packages from this repo still or will apt-get just ignore it
[12:31] <totalwormface> i think apt ignores it, not suret
[12:31] <cjae> k
[12:33] <cjae> I think was put there by automatix (wait for laugh) so should I just remove it from sources list or do you know if it is beneficial?
[12:33] <totalwormface> i don't recognise the repo
[12:33] <totalwormface> you can remove it from /etc/apt/sources.list without a problem
[12:34] <cjae> ok also if you don't mind
[12:34] <cjae> I posted a xubuntu bug at launchpad
[12:34] <cjae> and received a reply
[12:35] <cjae> ** Changed in: mozilla-firefox (Ubuntu)
[12:35] <cjae> Sourcepackagename: None => mozilla-firefox
[12:35] <cjae> -- ff will not open thunderbird https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/148008 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug.
[12:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148008 in mozilla-firefox "ff will not open thunderbird" [Undecided,New] 
[12:35] <cjae> does this mean is only for ubuntu fix?
[12:35] <totalwormface> you need to follow the link to see the actual reply :P
[12:36] <totalwormface> ah no
[12:36] <totalwormface> xubuntu and ubuntu use the same sources :] 
[12:36] <cjae> xubuntu uses same repos
[12:36] <cjae> ya thought so
[12:36] <totalwormface> it's just the graphical interface which is different
[12:37] <cjae> followed link and nothing there
[12:37] <totalwormface> and the term 'ubuntu' is just used for the whole distro
[12:37] <cjae> right
[12:37] <totalwormface> then, this mail is a notification of your own report
[12:37] <totalwormface> (which i find silly :P)
[12:37] <cjae> already got one though
[12:38] <cjae> quite awhile ago but never said the **Changed in part
[12:39] <cjae> making me think they thought of the other direction bug
[12:39] <cjae> thunderbird never used to open ff
[12:39] <cjae> which is not my issue
[12:40] <cjae> totalwormface, see what I mean
[12:42] <cjae> nice how the two app work so well together
[12:43] <totalwormface> :P
[12:43] <cjae> o_0
[12:45] <cjae> installed thunderbird cause wanted to easy solution for lin -> win enigma email
[12:46] <cjae> o_*
[12:48] <cjae> totalwormface, what would you do to try to rectify this?
[02:48] <ehnki> Hello, Im trying to install xubuntu on a old comp. It seems that it got problems to start gdm on first boot with the live cd. Comp specifications is 266mhz, 128mb/ram, 4mb video ram. I know, its ridiculous low. But does any one know how I might be able to install a working copy of xubuntu on this machine?
[02:58] <Pumpernickel> Use the alternate install cd.
[02:59] <ehnki> Thx, ill try it out
[05:38] <emunkki> hiya!
[05:38] <emunkki> where can i get tribe-5?
[05:39] <emunkki> the link in xubuntu.org ain't working
[06:03] <Pumpernickel> emunkki: See /topic for the gutsy download link.  Tribe 5 is rather outdated - if you're going to install Gutsy, you should use either the Beta or the daily.
[06:04] <emunkki> ok, when is gutsy coming out?
[06:04] <emunkki> the stable (tm) version
[06:04] <Pumpernickel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[06:04] <emunkki> is 18th realistic?
[07:40] <bigredradio> Anyone know a way to upgrade to Xubuntu gutsy using the ubuntu gutsy cdrom and network repositories. I can get everything from the network, but seems a waste to not be able to get from the cdrom I already have.
[07:40] <bigredradio> I have used apt-cdrom but it still pulls everything from the network,
[07:42] <maxamillion> bigredradio: if it is still pulling from the network then the versions of the software in the repositories are newer than the ones on the cd
[07:42] <bigredradio> wow. Cd is only two days old.
[07:43] <bigredradio> apt-get update shows Ign for the cdrom. Is this normal. It should have updated the package list with apt-cdrom.
[07:44] <maxamillion> bigredradio: ign means its cache lists hasn't changed since last time apt scanned it ... strange it would do that the first time though
[07:45] <bigredradio> maxamillion: I commented out all network sources and it only wanted to update one package.
[07:45] <bigredradio> :-(
[07:45] <maxamillion> interesting
[07:45] <bigredradio> Oh well. Just trying to same some bandwidth and time.
[07:45] <maxamillion> fair enough
[07:45] <maxamillion> well i have to run
[07:46] <maxamillion> sorry i wasn't of more help
[07:46] <bigredradio> thanks anyway
[07:46] <maxamillion> anytime
[07:56] <jsg> hi, when i clicked on "South Africa" to download Xubuntu 7.04 Fiesty Fawn, the url was not found on that server, who do i talk to do fix this?
[07:58] <hyper__ch> jsg: just select some other mirror
[07:58] <hyper__ch> jsg: could be that the one in SA currently has some issues
[07:58] <hyper__ch> jsg: that can happen
[07:58] <jsg> ok, thanx
[08:00] <hyper__ch> jsg: np
[08:22] <Zombine> What's the network manager for Xfce?
[08:25] <Zombine> #kubuntu Guild Wars works nicely
[08:25] <maxamillion> not sure ... i configure my network interfaces via /etc/network/interfaces for wired and if its a laptop and you need wireless then just install network-manager-gnome so you can run nm-applet in the systray
[08:28] <Zombine> maxamillion I see....  I'll try that then.  Thanks.
[09:39] <wubunt1> hi gays
[09:46] <wubunt1> why the fucking hell is nobody answering me?!
[09:49] <nikolam> hi
[10:38] <nikolam> Wow, we are so active here :) I hardly have time to compile kernel while waiting for another massage :)
[10:38] <zoredache> o.O
[10:40] <wbadger> :p
[10:40] <nanonyme> nikolam, how much time does it take for you to compile a kernel?
[10:41] <nikolam> I duuno, since ncurses does not comes with ubuntu, I lost my interest since :)
[10:42] <self_enquiry> xubuntu 7.10 will be released in the same day as ubuntu?
[10:42] <nanonyme> nikolam, how so ncurses doesn't come with ubuntu?
[10:42] <nikolam> Its the same thing, ask on #ubuntu+1 for dev versions.
[10:43] <nikolam> nanonyme: On install cd you dont have them, you got to go to net to download if you don`t have Net upon install
[10:43] <nanonyme> yeah, xubuntu is just a package abstract or whatever the term is...
[10:43] <nikolam> nanonyme: yes, but xubuntu use less resources :)
[10:43] <nanonyme> someone just needs to write what packages it includes
[10:44] <nikolam> There must be a list somewhere..
[10:44] <nanonyme> i think the package names were ubuntu-desktop/kubuntu-desktop/xubuntu/desktop
[10:44] <nanonyme> oops
[10:44] <nanonyme> xubuntu-desktop of course
[10:45] <nanonyme> i haven't checked it in depth what they mean
[10:46] <nanonyme> but they're just a kind of packages afaik
[11:59] <Zach_07> When I try to install xUbuntu it gives me this error: Disk /dev/hda doesn't contain a valid partition table and this: mount: special device /dev/hda2 does not exist. So what can I do?