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nixternalRiddell: created - direct copy & s/Beta/RC12:56
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nixternalno problem...RC due out tomorrow?01:00
nixternalor today, depending on where you are at01:00
nixternalit sure is...man this cycle has flown by01:01
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Riddellnew desktop CDs and DVDs are up for testing02:19
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geniiHello ?04:42
DaSkreechblast  I forgot what I was going to ask04:44
DaSkreechJust noticed something I wanted confirmed.04:44
DaSkreechWhen I see it again I'll holler with the actual thing so I don't forget04:44
DaSkreechdoes displayconfig work?04:44
DaSkreechIt crashes for me04:46
DaSkreechdisplayconfig-restore  works04:47
Jucatoworks here04:49
Jucatoof course still can't change res04:49
DaSkreechOk I'll reinstall04:50
JucatoI might just do that on the 18th if I can't figure out my kernel woes04:50
DaSkreechthe app :-P04:50
JucatoI suspect it had something to do with trying to install vbox earlier04:50
Jucatoah. me the system04:50
DaSkreechI'm reinstalling when Kubuntu ships KDE by default04:54
DaSkreechnot before04:54
ScottKDaSkreech: Instead of Gnome????04:55
DaSkreechDidn't I say 4?04:55
ScottKNot that I noticed04:55
DaSkreechI'm sure it was echoing in my head04:55
DaSkreech there's not enough stuff in there for it to hide so it must have escaped!04:55
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DaSkreechThank god you are off of coffee05:05
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geniiDaSkreech: I'm at home so beer right now :)05:14
DaSkreechAs long as it's not coffee :)05:14
JucatoScottK: I ust misread that...05:16
geniiDamn. Last beer in the fridge05:32
DaSkreechI'll have it05:34
geniiToo late05:36
DaSkreechJucato: The .1 daily releases are remasters?05:37
DaSkreechWhy do I keep asking you stuff? :)05:37
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DaSkreechThe .1 daily releases are remasters?05:37
DaSkreechJucato: How goes reading?05:37
Jucatoreading of?05:38
Jucatoon hold... lazy week05:38
Jucatobut half way through overloading operators...05:38
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ScottKAnyone know why we don't support .svg desktop icons?05:51
DaSkreechKDE4 ?05:52
ScottKKDE4 does, but there have been patches for it around for years.05:52
ScottKfor KDE305:52
=== manchicke1 thought we did support svg icons.
ScottKApparently not.05:52
ScottKI'm trying to fix something and the icon works fine in Ubuntu, but not in Kubuntu and it's .svg.05:53
ScottKIt's not a huge isse for this as there's a KDE specific alternative app, but I'm curious in general.05:54
Tm_TKDE3 can use svg icons05:55
Tm_Twell, in theory, but it is slow05:55
Tm_Tbecause bitmap caching sucks in this use05:55
Tm_Tso, you end up generating bitmaps from svgs all the time05:56
ScottKOK. I'll just leave it in this case.05:56
Tm_Tone thing that GNOME does better05:56
Tm_T..before KDE4 that is ;--P05:57
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DaSkreechHow is the KDE4 one better?05:57
Tm_TDaSkreech: whole rendering is rethought05:57
DaSkreechbetter than Gnome?05:57
Tm_Tatleast better than KDE305:58
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DaSkreechWhat happened to my Preview in Konqueror?06:04
Tm_TI ate it06:05
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DaSkreechThis is beyond the suck06:06
DaSkreech at least I can reliably get Konqueror to crasj06:07
DaSkreechdefintely can get it crash repeatably06:12
ScottKDaSkreech: On 3.5.8?06:12
ScottKWhat are you doing?06:13
DaSkreechNever tried this on 3.5.7 cause konqueror had the brilliant idea that I could stream music06:13
ScottKHasn't crashed on me yet.06:13
DaSkreechtrying to preview a mp3 file06:13
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DaSkreechin 3.5.7 I could right click a media link on the net and it would give the option to open with kafienne amarok mplayer or Kmplayer06:15
DaSkreechOr I could preview in Kaffiene or kmplayer which opened it in place06:15
DaSkreechWhich was highly useful06:15
DaSkreechI can't preview anymore I can only open06:15
DaSkreechSo I hit F9 and dragged the link to the media player tab06:15
ScottKWhy in the world is adept_batch suddenly popping up a GUI window on me.  Ugh.06:17
DaSkreechScottK: Does that work for you?06:18
ScottKIt won't let me drop it.06:18
DaSkreechScottK: Which URL ?06:19
ScottKI was doing it with a local file.  Give me a url06:19
ScottKDaSkreech: ^^^06:21
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DaSkreechUmm yes that one06:22
DaSkreechWant a .ogg one?06:22
ScottK2I installed the mp3 support, so that should be fine.06:23
ScottK2So when I go to the URL, I get an option to open with Amarok or not....06:23
ScottK2Nope.  Won't let me drop that either.06:25
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DaSkreechIt's close to the bottom06:26
DaSkreechWalk on the moon06:26
DaSkreechYou can try any of hte others06:26
DaSkreechI just like that song :)06:26
ScottK2Nope.  Can't make it drop.  Sorry.06:28
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geniiDaSkreech: I'm starting to remember why I don't telnet much anymore LOL06:29
DaSkreechNeed Gui commands? :)06:29
geniiDaSkreech: Nah, need sleep06:30
DaSkreechone more thing! :006:30
DaSkreechNight genii06:33
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=== Jucato waves belatedly at Hobbsee
JucatoI never got the chance to ask how your mom's birthday went. D06:54
Hobbseehehe :)06:56
Hobbseei gave her present to her a couple of days later, and she was very happy with it :)06:56
Hobbseeso all is forgiven, i think06:57
Hobbseedoesnt help i still think it's september.  or maybe june06:57
Jucatoheheh :)06:58
Jucatoall's well that ends well :)06:58
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JucatoI was just wondering... your available shipit options are based on your LP karma right?07:01
Hobbseeapparently it's that, or membership07:01
Hobbseei can get up to 1007:01
Jucatooh yeah me too. then probably membership only :P07:02
stdinsomeone asked on launchpad-users@ but got no answer07:02
Jucato10 mixed, 8 PC and 2 64-bit I think07:02
Hobbseethey likely dont know, would be why07:02
Hobbseealthough you can do a special form and whatnot07:02
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Jucatocoz I was just wondering, if it's based on karma.. poor IRC people :P07:02
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JucatoI should get familiar with the help ticket system though... to add to my ever growing places of support :/07:03
stdinthink of LP almost like MySpace, but for OpenSource projects :)07:04
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Jucatoyeah.. that's the reason why I feel allergic :)07:07
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stdindon't worry, you won't get friend requests. just endless bug report replies from year old bugs07:08
Jucatohehe :)07:08
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Hobbseestdin: ew.07:09
JucatoTm_T: something along the lines of, "hey! add me if you're my friend" and "write me a testimonial NOW! "07:09
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Tm_TJucato: haha07:09
=== Jucato just read that as "wiggles at Hobbsee"
Tm_TJucato: same07:12
JucatoHobbsee: beautiful link! :)07:15
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=== stdin notices Jucato has 2 LP accounts
JucatoI do?07:16
stdinyep https://launchpad.net/~jucato-kubuntu07:17
stdinI wonder what the G stands for?07:18
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Jucatoat least I know it's not mine07:18
Tm_Tit wasnt me!07:18
Jucatode Guzman07:18
Jucatomother's maiden name07:18
Jucatohere, we call it our middle name/initial07:18
Jucatobut seriously. I didn't make that account, although it's half true :)07:19
stdinI know you didn't, LP made it for you07:19
Tm_TJucato: I had two accounts by accident, old bugzilla import and one created from mail I sent =)07:20
Tm_Thow friendly =)07:20
Jucatoah I remember. this was when I submitted a patch for Umbrello07:20
Jucatofriendly and scary :)07:20
Tm_TI am07:20
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Tm_Tkid, when you grow up, you'll understand07:20
Jucatoer.. was talking about LP :)07:20
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Jucatoyou're friendly, not scary07:21
JucatoLP's friendly and scary07:21
Jucatobut mostly scary07:21
Tm_TKing Crimson - One More Red Nightmare <307:22
Jucatoonly geniuses like Hobbsee comprehend LP07:22
ubotuOh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!07:22
HobbseeJucato: you can merge that account,b tw07:23
nixternalRiddell: you freakin' rock!!! I just got an email with your face glued to it! You know how Kontact does with the address book and what not? Anyways, the email said you did it! YES YOU! You have uploaded Jambi and you my friend, are my new favorite hero!07:23
Jucatonew? only new? O.o07:23
Jucatotsk tsk :P07:23
JucatoHobbsee: can I just delete that one? I mean what's it for anyway? :/07:24
HobbseeJucato: i dont think so - and it's created when you uploaded kdesdk, with a different email it seems07:25
Jucatofunny though, I didn't upload anything... nixternal's new favorite hero did ;)07:25
stdinJucato: and the patch to dolphin07:25
nixternalO'Reilly just interviewed me about what I do in MOTU. And would you believe...I pimped Kubuntu!!! :)07:25
nixternalhellz ya!07:25
nixternalI pimped MOTU too, as we need help...but man I could help pokin' in the Kubuntu and KDE references :)07:26
Jucatosurprised you didn't pimp docteam too :)07:26
nixternalbah them fools07:26
nixternalman, how did I get stuck doing 3 open week talks by the way?07:27
=== nixternal still thinks Jucato should do one of them!
=== Jucato thinks he shouldn't
nixternalwhy not07:27
=== n8k99 thinks he should
nixternalyou can't give me a good enough reason07:27
JucatoI may know a lot about KDE, but not about how Kubuntu does things internally, not enough to be able to help people get into doing Kubuntu stuff07:28
Jucatomy knowledge hasn't reached visternal-level yet07:28
Jucatoheck not even stdin-level!07:28
nixternalJucato: you say something like that one more time, I will smack your Konversation! You know just as much about it as I do, if not more07:28
Tm_TJucato: you're always in Jucato-level07:29
Tm_Tok, it's icy snowy weather without proper snow :/07:29
Jucatopackaging, motu, docwork, ppa, LP, bugs stuff, development workflow, freezes, merges07:29
Jucatowhat else?07:29
n8k99Jucato-level > kubuntu_ level07:29
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Tm_TJucato: but what's my level?07:30
Jucatohm... kde level? :)07:30
Jucatonixternal: no really, seriously. I don't know enough about how things are done "properly" in Kubuntu. I may know lots user-support stuff (I don't deny that), but that's a different area...07:31
nixternalJucato: you know how we work stuff around here07:31
Jucatono I don't. really. I just pretend I know most of the time bwahah!07:32
Tm_TJucato: and you prolly know more than me =)07:33
JucatoI'd love to talk on and on about Kubuntu and helping Kubuntu.. I just don't think I know enough in the aspect of helping in Kubuntu aside from user support :)07:33
JucatoTm_T: considering our age difference? I doubt it :P07:34
Tm_TJucato: well, I'm too old to remember, as you might remember07:34
nixternalnice one07:34
Jucatorembmer what?07:35
Jucatoer can't type :P07:35
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Jucato(that's an incoming tidal wave btw)08:30
stdinhmm, konversation seems to reliably crash whenever I click the tray icon :(08:32
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davmor2Riddell: Ping09:39
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_StefanS_Riddell: I'm downloading all i386/amd64 dvd + cds and will test them throughout the day10:14
_StefanS_Riddell: someone capped a cable yesterday causing the speed of my internet to perform at 18kb/s :)10:15
_StefanS_Riddell: its fixed now10:15
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_StefanS_Riddell: I'm preparing and testing that brightness up/down thingy in a moment10:39
_StefanS_Jucato: hey!10:39
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Jucatohi _StefanS_!10:39
_StefanS_Jucato: so whats happening.. ? been outside your room lately ? :D10:40
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_StefanS_Jucato: you always seem online10:40
Jucatoyeah just got back in. went to the store to buy mt.dew10:40
JucatoI am, 16 hours a day at most10:40
_StefanS_Jucato: wow thats alot10:40
_StefanS_Jucato: I wish I could use more time on this, but.. family first10:41
Jucatoof course around 4 hours of those I'm not sitting in front of the computer :)10:41
_StefanS_Jucato: got my 7weeks old boy sleeping right next to me now ;)10:41
Jucatoyeah kinda enjoying it while it lasts...10:41
Jucatoaw how cute :)10:41
_StefanS_yep he's completely away10:41
_StefanS_its hard being little.10:41
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_StefanS_Lure: you there?11:32
_StefanS_Lure: I've put in the brightness stuff, and will test it now11:32
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_StefanS_Lure: I've installed kmilo now, and keys are mapped and all... nothing happens :)11:40
_StefanS_Riddell: ping?11:40
Riddellhi _StefanS_11:47
_StefanS_Riddell: got an idea why the correctly mapped key(s) doesnt get picked up by kmilo?11:48
_StefanS_Riddell: everything seems to be in order11:48
_StefanS_Riddell: I'm testing the dvds and the cds now btw11:49
Riddellcan you report your results on https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/build/Kubuntu ?11:54
Riddellkmilo is a fiddly thing depending on lots of other fiddly things, there could be a problem anywhere really11:54
_StefanS_better wait for Lure then12:04
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Riddelldavmor2: you pinged?12:09
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_StefanS_Riddell: i386 both dvd and cd looks fine, I couldn't find any issues with them12:31
Riddellyou still need to report to https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/build/Kubuntu :)12:32
_StefanS_will do12:33
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Lure_StefanS_: do you have patch somewhere to review?01:38
Lure_StefanS_: did you logout/login after install?01:38
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Tonio_jcastro: ping ?02:03
Tonio_Riddell: you wanted me to do something for the openweek right ?02:04
Tonio_Riddell: cause I pinged jcastro several time, never got a response..... I believe it is juste too late to join, btw....02:05
Tonio_nixternal: I saw you planned some things in there, maybe I can help somehow ?02:05
Riddellhe does seem to have forgotten you02:11
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Tonio_Riddell: no problem02:42
Tonio_Riddell: little question.... how to I change the redirection of my tonio@ubuntu.com address ?02:43
Riddellchange your launchpad preferred address I believe02:43
Tonio_Riddell: tried but I can't see where what defines the "prefered" :)02:44
Riddelltry #launchpad02:47
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Tonio_Riddell: sure02:54
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davmor2Riddell: yes.  It's okay though now I'm going to be around latter on so I can speak with Bryce :)02:58
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jcastroTonio_: pong, I'm around03:04
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Hobbseehiya jcastro03:06
Tonio_jcastro: nice ;)03:08
Tonio_jcastro: well we discussed a moment ago about the openweek03:08
Tonio_jcastro: but it looks like a bit too late now to participate right ?03:09
Tonio_hey Hobbsee03:09
Jucatohi Hobbsee, hi Tonio_, hi Riddell03:09
Jucatohi *03:09
HobbseeTonio_: well, i got asked for MOTU last night, so probably not.03:09
Jucatoand .* :)03:09
Tonio_Hobbsee: interesting :)03:09
Hobbseehiya Jucato03:09
Tm_Thi kids03:09
jcastroTonio_: nope, it's not too late03:10
Tonio_jcastro: super03:10
Tonio_jcastro: so you'd be interested in me doing something on friday arround kubuntu ?03:11
jcastrolet me check the schedule03:11
jcastroTonio_: there seems to be 2 kubuntu sessions already03:13
Tonio_jcastro: right, I may just try to help nixternal then :)03:14
jcastrowow, that schedule filled up03:15
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jcastroit was pretty empty a day or two ago03:16
nixternalTonio_: take one of the sessions03:30
nixternalI thought you wanted to do something...I told imbrandon about it as well03:31
Tonio_nixternal: hum, why not :)03:31
jcastroTonio_: we could also have you down for a backup session03:31
jcastroTonio_: then all you have to do is push imbrandon into an incoming car03:31
nixternaljcastro: give him one of the sessions03:31
nixternalTonio_: take whichever session is best for you03:31
Tonio_nixternal: well would be nice to know what did you want to talk about ;) so that we don't duplicate :)03:32
Tonio_nixternal: probably the second one wold be better for me03:32
nixternalheh, I have no clue just yet...that would be fine03:32
nixternalwe have a couple of weeks to work it out03:32
nixternalthat is great, because I have the doc one as well03:32
jcastrook I'll put Tonio for the second kubuntu session03:33
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nixternalthanks jcastro03:33
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Tonio_nixternal: oki let's keep in touch ;)03:36
nixternalwill do...I will probably start a wiki with some ideas in the next few days..so I will keep you updated03:36
Jucatoany developer guru know what's happening in bug 136458 ?03:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136458 in dolphin "dolphin not able to save bookmarks after using "open as root" option" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13645803:47
RiddellJucato: unlikely to be fixed for gutsy03:54
Riddellwe need to look at having kdesudo set $HOME etc03:54
Riddellor $KDEHOME at least03:54
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JucatoRiddell: ok. at least it's something that can be solved w/ chmod03:55
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Jucatohi bddebian!04:01
bddebianHi Jucato04:01
nixternalI think I have found exactly the thing my truck needs04:01
=== Jucato thought it was a vista thing again...
nixternalI want my truck to sound like a train...chooo chooo04:05
Tm_Tnixternal: not like ice cream van? tidelidoo etc04:08
Tm_Tand see how kids in neighbourhood runs around searching it =)04:08
nixternalpull them in with the ice cream truck sound, then hit the horns04:09
nixternalhook the horns up to my alarm...man that would suck04:09
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mhbso what are your plans for Gutsy? Anything mind-blowing?04:54
mhberr, hardy04:54
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Jucatowhen's the openweek again?04:55
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mhbcheck p.u.c04:55
fdovingwhat's openweek?04:55
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Jucatothe 2nd openweek04:56
Jucatomhb: packages.ubuntu.com ?04:56
mhbfdoving: the same for you, check p.u.c for more than enough info (planet)04:56
fdovingahh, i remember that from lastyear or whenever it was.04:57
fdovinglast time.04:57
Jucatoyeah. this is the 2nd one04:57
Jucatothe first one came as a sort of "response" to the MS-Novell deal iirc04:57
Jucatohm. but before that there's a MOTU Q&A tomorrow.. hm..04:58
nixternalJucato: this is the 3rd one04:59
Jucatoorly? O.o04:59
nixternalI did the documentation stuff for the 2nd one04:59
Jucatook. I'm getting senile..04:59
nixternalthe 1st one we all kind of shunned off because of the email to novell/opensuse and what not..or the blog post04:59
JucatoI was there in that one05:00
nixternalthe 1st one pulled in a lot of people though, and iirc the 2nd one, the attendance was down05:00
Jucatoprobably didn't attend the 2nd one05:00
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nixternalI am sure you did, you just don't remember05:00
Jucatoprobably not.. if it coincided w/ my sabbatical :)05:00
Riddelldavmor2: are you in a position to be testing desktop CDs?05:01
davmor2testing as we speak which would you like test kub is next after edu05:02
Riddelli386 desktop needs testing05:04
davmor2Riddell: will do I think it is on my list any way :)  But it might only be for winfoss but I can test at the same time :)05:05
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=== Hobbsee thought this was the second
Jucatoat least I'm not the only one who thinks so :)05:09
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davmor2Riddell: is it that it just needs testing?  or is there something specific?  As I'm doing a netboot (mini.iso) install next.05:10
freeflyingRiddell: need renice strigidameon? it cost quite a lot resource05:11
Riddelldavmor2: https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/test/1033 is just a bit too empty for the release managers liking, it should have tests from someone other than me05:12
Riddellfreeflying: strigi is off by default now05:12
davmor2Riddell:  Np05:13
freeflyingRiddell: yes, but when it starts, we shall low it priority05:14
Riddellfreeflying: that would probably be good, patches to strigiapplet welcome (it wouldn't be hard)05:15
freeflyingRiddell: ok05:16
davmor2Riddell: pedro_ is already running kub 32 tests but I will add to it after okay :)05:17
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mhbso what are your plans for hardy then? does anyone have something big in his sleeve for hardy?05:24
nosrednaekimmhb: a wattmeter in the powermanager.05:25
nosrednaekimI already submitted patches.. way back b4 fiesty.05:25
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mhbnosrednaekim: the current Kubuntu one or the future KDE4 one?05:26
Riddellmhb: hardy being LTS it should be more about stabalisation and polish than normal05:26
mhbJucato: fresh artwork you can do05:26
Jucatome? artwork? ha! :P05:26
Jucatooh goody, my idea echoes Riddell's :)05:26
mhbJucato: well, collecting it and doing minor tweaks, surely05:26
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Riddellnosrednaekim: did you get a response to the patches?05:27
mhbRiddell: yup, I know ... I wondered what others are up to for hardy.05:27
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Riddellhmm, upgrade, yes05:28
nosrednaekimmhb: I submitted them to Lure, the current one.05:28
nosrednaekimRiddell: ^^05:29
nosrednaekimI think I filed a wish-list as well.05:30
mhbI really think we should update our artwork a bit more radically than we did for gutsy05:31
Riddellwe have all of two KDE specific sessions scheduled for UDS: kde4-integration and kde-catchup05:32
Riddellmhb: did ubuntu even get a new background for gutsy?05:32
mhbjust two?05:32
nosrednaekimRiddell: yeah it did... darker.. chocolatey05:32
davmor2Riddell: netboot kub works on 64 bit :)05:32
mhbRiddell: it did, AFAIK. But you are right - the main graphic change was compiz integration05:33
nosrednaekimdo we know for sure if we are sticking with KDE3 in gutsy?05:33
mhbnosrednaekim: we do, we are.05:34
Riddellaww, come one, we've a week to go, we can change our default desktop surely?!05:34
mhbnosrednaekim: even more now thanks to the KDE4 delay.05:34
mhbRiddell: oh I think he meant hardy.05:34
nosrednaekimyeah... I did mean hardy.. sorry05:34
mhbI did, at least.05:34
RiddellKDE 4 won't be anywhere near LTS ready by then05:35
Riddellbut I'd like to make the packages more integrated, you shouldn't have to go setting any environment variables for them to work05:35
mhbRiddell: is "2" the final number on KDE4-related session at the UDS?05:36
Riddellmhb: no05:36
RiddellI suspect we're ment to include KDE stuff in other sessions more05:36
RiddellI see there's one called partition-management05:37
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=== mhb wonders, too :o)
Hobbseeprobably top sekrit, if canonical is up to usual tactics.05:38
davmor2Riddle: heno is also testing kub 3205:38
Hobbseethey'll make it public the day before it starts.05:38
Riddelldavmor2: excellent05:38
mhboh, by the way, wish me luck tomorrow, I am going to the U.S. embassy begging for a visa :o)05:39
Jucatogood luck!05:39
Riddelljings, good luck05:39
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mhbkde-catchup sounds interesting05:41
davmor2Riddell:  this is what bryce sent about 151311 but I have no idea what to do with it :)05:42
davmor2I'll post an x86 .deb after it's finished building.05:42
davmor2If it solves the issue, we could investigate doing a cleaner patch.05:42
davmor2  http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/xorg-server-dpi/05:42
davmor2I've posted a debdiff with two patches that override the dpi auto-magic in two places:05:42
Riddelldavmor2: have you tried his .debs?05:42
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davmor2Riddell:  Do I just install them like any other package then?05:43
Riddelldavmor2: depends how you install other packages :)05:43
Riddelldownload and click for gdebi, wget and dpkg --install for command line05:44
Riddellthen restart X with that driver in use05:44
davmor2np will do when I have kub on my desktop :)05:44
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Riddellmhb: it's top secret, so you'll need to guess where scott would put a random html file related to ubuntu05:59
HobbseeRiddell: who's in the picture of http://kubuntu.org/ ?06:00
HobbseeRiddell: on the canonical wiki, of course!06:00
JucatoHobbsee: the guy in yellow? Aaron Seigo (aseigo)06:01
Hobbseeoh, of course06:01
Hobbseeknew it was one of the head kde dudes who i hadnt met - i was coming up with coolo, but that didnt sound right.06:02
RiddellHobbsee: no, not that top secret06:02
Riddellthat was the best picture I could find of the kubuntu akademy poster06:02
Jucatodefinitely not the best picture of aseigo... but he can always say it was tom green :)06:03
Riddellentries welcome for a picture to go with RC06:03
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mhbRiddell: ah, yes. vewwy secwet.06:04
Jucatodo we have a nixternal picture? :)06:04
mhbRiddell: thanks for not helping :o)06:04
HobbseeRiddell: monday...planning to shove 3.5.8 before then?06:08
Riddellwhat's special about monday?06:09
Riddellbut yes, I'd like to get it in, probably tomorrow, nobody has reported any problems with it and the packaging was simple06:09
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HobbseeRiddell: oh, soyou're not reading --meeting06:12
jpatrickwhat have I missed?06:15
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davmor2Riddell: applying the patch now to 32 bit netboot06:22
HobbseeRiddell: sounds good to me06:22
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davmor2Riddell: Collar hold of bryce tell him it's fixed :).  I have disabled the fixed fonts and everything including the login screen is the right size.  I got to go off for a bit so ttyl.06:35
RiddellHobbsee: I see it now06:38
Riddelldavmor2: great06:38
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nixternalRiddell: I have a great pic for RC release06:45
Hobbseeit had better not have me in it...06:45
Jucatooh please let Hobbsee be in it :)06:45
nixternalit has a buddy of mine holding his Kubuntu license plate for his car06:45
Riddellnixternal: that's a good idea06:45
Riddellgot a URL?06:45
nixternalRiddell: I am trying to find his blog06:46
nixternalhe hasn't answered yet...I will find it here in a sec06:46
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Tonio_Hobbsee: ping ?06:48
HobbseeTonio_: zzzpong06:48
Tonio_Hobbsee: okay so let's do quick :)06:48
Tonio_Hobbsee: is there a long time to wait before launchpad rereads the email addresses properties ?06:49
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HobbseeTonio_: unsure.  i dont remember.  lp guys might know06:49
Tonio_Hobbsee: I changed my default contact address 3 hours ago at least and my @ubuntu.com mail still come to my old email address (that I completly removed from launchpad, in fact)06:49
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Jucatouga: [00:02]  <Riddell> that was the best picture I could find of the kubuntu akademy poster06:49
Tonio_Hobbsee: k, I'll wait till tomorrow and then we'll see06:49
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ugaJucato: LOL06:49
Hobbseeyeah, i dont thin kit's that quick06:50
jpatrickmine did as soon as I set it06:50
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nixternalRiddell: http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i224/admiral_pro/p1010292-1.jpg06:56
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Tonio_Riddell: just wrote a patch for kde bug 14425106:58
ubotuKDE bug 144251 in general "TryExec has no effect" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14425106:58
Tonio_Riddell: is that too little bug to upload ?06:58
RiddellTonio_: is that bug a problem for us?07:00
Tonio_Riddell: kde bug07:00
Tonio_oups, well not concerning the default config07:00
uganixternal: can I give a suggestion? same plate placed on a real nice sports car, with you pointing thumbs up, and with letters that read "RC1, here we go!" =)07:00
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Tonio_as we don't have desktop files on the desktop, but for a user copying files, yes that might create an issue07:01
RiddellTonio_: send me the patch then if you think it's important07:01
Tonio_Riddell: that also might create an issue for people using debian-edu07:01
Tonio_Riddell: refresh the page, patch is on it07:01
Tonio_Riddell: I just built testing packages, fix works like a charm, so just ask if you want me to upload ;)07:02
nixternaluga: haha07:02
RiddellTonio_: don't upload07:02
Tonio_Riddell: okay07:02
RiddellI have 3.5.8 sitting here07:02
Tonio_hum true, I forgot you worked on that :)07:02
Tonio_Riddell: well as any bug it is important as long as you need the feature, some people might :)07:03
Tonio_Riddell: want the patch by email ?07:03
uganixternal: btw, you shot that photo with a direct flash. that causes shadows on the back. It's usually helpfull if you can somehow bounce the light on the roof07:03
ugayou'll get a more natural light07:03
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Tonio_Riddell: email with attachment is gone07:04
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gnomefreakattachments are worms ;)07:07
uganixternal: sorry if that goes beyond your interests. I am into much photography, and #photogeeks teaches you being picky ;))07:08
nixternalI didn't take the picture07:09
nixternalI wish I was good at photography...I need to pick up a decent camera to really start playing around with07:09
nixternalI currently just have an Olympus C700 Ultra Zoom, which i have yet to master07:10
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Tonio__Riddell: so as I said, email with attachment is in your mailbox07:11
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uganixternal: if you really want to get into photography you should forget about compacts, and especially superzooms. the longer the zoom is, the worse the image quality is (aberrations, flare, distortions,...)07:21
uganixternal: also compacts are slow, not flexible, and due to much smaller sensors, much noisier07:21
uganow this goes off-topic ;)07:22
fdovingyou should focus on cellphone cameras. :)07:22
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ugafdoving: ;))07:22
ugauhm... I haven't set up my gallery since I migrated to this box07:23
ugaI should do so this weekend07:23
nixternalthe about-kubuntu translations are way way wrong07:26
nixternalsomehow they overwrote the main template with the desktop file template07:27
fdovingeek. overwriting is evil. hope you can revert.07:27
nixternalto late for that...so there will not be a translated about-kubuntu documentation07:31
nixternalwhich isn't grave honestly...as I am sure not many people read that compared to the rest of the docs07:32
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RiddellTonio_: don't see it07:38
Riddella web server might work better07:39
Tonio_Riddell: lemme check....... madwifi crashes every 20 minutes here :)07:39
Tonio_Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/kubuntu_96_fix_kdesktop_tryexec.diff07:40
Tonio_Riddell: patch n is not good of course07:40
Tonio_Riddell: and bug closed is 144251 on kde bts07:41
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_StefanS_Tonio_: hey08:12
Lure_StefanS_: any luck with brightness keys?08:13
_StefanS_Lure: nawp, even though I patched in the Sun Lower/Raise buttons08:13
_StefanS_Lure: and chanched accordingly i kmilo/generic to call the dcop stuff08:14
Lure_StefanS_: can you show kmilo patch for review?08:14
_StefanS_Lure: dont really get it08:14
_StefanS_Lure: uhm yep08:14
_StefanS_Lure: patched it manually, will do the regular debdiff now08:15
Lure_StefanS_: no problem, just show current diff of kmilo_generic.cpp (or whole file)08:16
_StefanS_Lure: ok08:16
_StefanS_Lure: mail is sent08:20
Lure_StefanS_: mail arrived ;-)08:21
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Lure_StefanS_: stupid suggestion: did you try any other xkeysym (like XF86LaunchD)08:24
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LureI am a bit questioning the SunXxx08:24
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_StefanS_yea that key might not work since it isnt named XF86*08:27
Lure_StefanS_: maybe some stupid filter in KGlobalAccel implementation rejects it08:27
Lure_StefanS_: or just assign BrignessUp function also to supend key or similar for quick check08:28
Lure_StefanS_: some key that works for you today08:28
_StefanS_XF86LaunchA works.08:28
Lure_StefanS_: interesting...08:32
Lure_StefanS_: we shoudl just use LaunchD and LaunchE (next free, as we use A-C)08:33
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Riddellwell, part of 3.94.0, feel free to do the rest, nixternal can get sources08:34
Riddellit's looking pretty lovely though08:34
LureRiddell: great!08:34
LureRiddell: will you upload also guidance from my ppa (fixes two bugs)08:35
Riddellnot tonight08:35
Riddellothers will I'm sure if you ask nicely08:35
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LureRiddell: np, as far as we get exception ;-)08:36
LureRiddell: enjoy evening!08:36
Riddellno exception needed for bugfixes, just upload08:36
LureRiddell: ok, will talk to Tonio_ or Hobbsee08:37
_StefanS_Lure: I will test with LaunchD+E08:39
nixternalheh, some one on planet kde talked about using Kugar to do shipping labels for his thesis...well my mom tasked me with creating labels for the thank you cards she is sending out to people who signed the book at my grandmother's funeral08:47
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nixternalman, people who are friends of the family in Michigan, have some really strange, hillbilly-like, names08:48
nixternaland the names of the roads they live on are insane08:49
nixternalobviously these people can't read nor write08:52
jpatricksome people are just unforatunate..08:53
nixternalwell, in the area of Michigan we are from, it isn't unusual08:53
nixternalunfortunate for them is their pick-up breaking down :D08:53
nixternalyou can ask jjesse...he lives right by my family08:54
jpatrickif the governments put some of the money they put into weapons into education, food, clothing, etc - the world would be a better place08:54
nixternalhave you ever seen the movie deliverance?08:55
nixternalthe area they live in isn't far off from the town near the river in that movie08:55
jpatricknope, haven't seen that08:56
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nixternaland the funny thing...they live in Eau Claire, Michigan...in the sticks as we call it...way out in the boontoolies....where it is almost inhabitable...yet Kevin Costner built a huge mansion there for a hunting/vacation spot08:56
_StefanS_Riddell: when is the upload done to your ppa ? pretty anxious to test that 3.9408:58
nixternal_StefanS_: not for a while yet I am sure...we still need to build out the rest of the packages...I think he probably just uploaded libs and base/workspace08:58
_StefanS_uhm ok08:59
_StefanS_need some help building it?08:59
jpatrickI think the launchpad builders will be fine..09:00
_StefanS_well I sort of got the impression that builders were not available for ppa, didnt go too much into it09:00
nixternal_StefanS_: I need to download all of the tarballs, which I will do in a bit, and go from there...if I need some help or what not, I will poke you09:01
_StefanS_nixternal: great09:01
nixternalwe might be able to split them up09:01
jpatrickah, I thought they built them09:01
_StefanS_jpatrick: sorry for not knowing everything about launchpad.09:01
jpatrick_StefanS_: noone knows everything :) I have no idea what the situation is neither..09:02
_StefanS_its ok :)09:03
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_StefanS_Lure: it works kinda wierd... only brightness up works and not the first few times I use the key combination.09:15
Lure_StefanS_: you may want to add some print statements to powermanager dcop method and start powermanager from cli to see if all presses are handled09:16
_StefanS_Lure: yea well.. I need to do some work so its going to be later09:16
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stdinlooks like kde v3.94.0 isn't going build :(09:47
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gnomefreakstdin: do you have changelog from 3.93.0 > 3.94.0?09:57
stdinnope, not sure it's technically released yet09:58
gnomefreakah ok i was thinking it wasnt an official release but a partial release09:59
stdinit will be beta3 when it's releases09:59
gnomefreakah cool10:02
gnomefreakit needs alot of work tbh its still fairly unusible10:02
gnomefreakatleast gutsy packages for it10:03
stdinbeta3 will be a lot better10:03
gnomefreakyou mean they will add a menu? ;)10:03
gnomefreaktheres something in top keft corner of screen that acts sort of like a menu10:04
stdinI think I saw a lot of stuff from playground get merged in to kdebase, so we should have a launcher, yeah :)10:04
davmor2Riddell: ping10:04
stdinit's the plasma thing, lets you add applets and such10:04
gnomefreakthe thing in upper left?10:04
gnomefreaki figured that kind of weird though10:05
stdinyeah, the thing that drops down on mouse-over10:05
stdinthe "Desktop Toolbox"10:06
gnomefreakit needs to be hidden or able to be launched instead of there by default IMHO10:06
stdinyeah, it can be somewhat annoying10:07
stdinit also need a way to pin it open when you want it open10:07
nosrednaekimI thought it was being replaced..10:07
gnomefreaknosrednaekim: with what plasma is so new10:08
gnomefreakstdin: true10:08
stdinnosrednaekim: probably will be eventually10:08
nosrednaekimthe desktop tool-bar.10:08
nosrednaekimI thought they were replacing it with a openable gui from a right click menu.10:09
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stdinnosrednaekim: there is a plasmoid adder from the right click menu, but it doesn't have all the features of the toolbox10:09
nosrednaekimI mean...kickoff10:10
stdingnomefreak: it will/does10:10
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stdingnomefreak: looks like this right now: http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/937/cap2vi1.png10:16
gnomefreakstdin: that works in our version or you are using upstreams kde10:17
stdinthis is from svn10:17
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stdinbut beta3 will/should be the same10:18
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gnomefreakok cross your fingers please10:21
gnomefreakdive in head first and hope no failures ;)10:21
nosrednaekimthat looks better than nothing ;)10:22
jpatrickstdin: beta3 FTBFS10:22
gnomefreakok brb while iceape 2.0 builds or fails to build10:23
jpatrickone package at least on amd64.. looking into it10:23
_StefanS_is there an alternative app switcher for kde3? (the one on alt+tab) ?10:25
_StefanS_never seen one though, other than kompos10:26
jpatrickyou mean Katapult?10:28
_StefanS_jpatrick: uhm no... something like what you get with compiz, without having compiz ofcourse ;)10:31
jpatrickahhh, right10:31
_StefanS_jpatrick: like previews of the open windows, rather than the icons10:31
_StefanS_jpatrick: and maybe a bit larger that currently.10:32
_StefanS_but I guess we just have to wait until kde4 provides all sorts of magic to do that in two lines of code :D10:32
_StefanS_Riddell: any noticeable new things in the last kde4 snapshot?10:33
_StefanS_Riddell: like kicker working :D10:33
jpatrick_StefanS_: he's out10:34
_StefanS_uhm ok10:34
_StefanS_I'm almost out too because of no sleep... but hey I can sleep when I get old. (in the 30's or something)10:34
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jpatrickhmm, me too, but must try and fix kdebase-workspace first10:36
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jpatrick-> shower10:39
stdinhuh, kdebase-workspace shouldn't have even attempted to build...10:43
stdinah, it needs updated build-deps10:44
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nosrednaekimryanakca: where are you?10:46
ryanakcanosrednaekim: kingston, ontario, canada10:46
nosrednaekimsweet :)10:46
nosrednaekimI suppose you helped influence that decision10:46
ryanakca<sarcasm> just a bit </sarcasm>10:47
ryanakcawe had it on two last year10:48
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ryanakcaon in a computer lab, the other in a teacher's office... this year, there's half a dozen in one lab, and then I'm going to upgrade the feisty one in the office to gutsy10:48
ryanakcas/on in/one in10:49
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mhbyou are not going to like me11:38
jpatrickwhy not? (if I can ask)11:40
mhbjpatrick: check planet.ubuntu.com in a few minutes11:44
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mhbjpatrick: everyone seems to be very optimistic there ,so lets give it a bit of controversy :o)11:45
jpatrickthe suspense is killing me :o)11:47
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mhbjpatrick: haha, perhaps they wont let it through11:51
jpatrickmhb: free speech for all11:51
mhbah, it is there already :o)11:52
mhbjpatrick: for some reason, it immediately dropped to the second place11:52
jpatrickfirst is 9 minutes earlier11:53
jpatrickmhb: if history means anything, it's: "History only shows us that mankind has learnt nothing from history" -- Hegel11:55
Luremhb: ++11:56
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manchicke1mhb: Are you going to UDS?11:59
mhbmanchicke1: that depends ... on whether your country gives me a visa tomorrow12:00
manchicke1I just live here :)12:01
manchicke1After UDS Sevilla, I don't think I'd mind too much moving to Europe.12:01
manchicke1kwwii seems to have had a great experience moving over there.12:01
manchicke1I just don't think I'm going to be able to find work enough to support such a move :)12:02
manchicke1And I also like my rural midwest a little too much.  It's almost creepy how much I love the rural midwest.12:02
nixternalI can honestly say those running Kubuntu Feisty, never once read the "Internet Docs" at all12:04
uga|awayuds? I didn't hear of such meeting12:04
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nixternalI had a bug in the translation install stuff in debian/rules that installed index/*.xml and not internet/*.xml :)12:04
gnomefreakuga: ubuntu developers summit12:05
ugayeah, I just didn't expect it to be in Seville12:05
gnomefreaklast one was12:05
ugagnomefreak: does it cover (k)ubuntu too?12:05
gnomefreakuga: yes12:05
ugaoh, last one, not this one then12:05
gnomefreakuga: riddell never misses one ;), i cant seem to make one :(12:06
ugaI tried going to several aKademy meetings12:06
uganever managed. Mostly due to work stuff12:06
Lurewho else is coming on uds from kubuntu-devel team?12:07
ugawhere is it this time?12:08
Lureuga: boston12:08
ugaheh, lemme grab the bike ;)12:08
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ugayou think 20km/h will do? =)12:09
jpatrickuga: where are you now?12:10
uganorth spain12:10
mhbLure: if my information is correct, then jjesse, nixternal, me, jr and Ken (the usual) will come12:11
jpatrickuga: ah si? yo tambien!12:11
kwwiimanchicke1: dude, moving to germany was probably one of the biggest mistakes in my life12:11
Luremhb: oh, no Tonio_ or Hobbsee...12:11
ugajpatrick: de un pueblecito cerca de Bilbo12:11
mhbLure: no, those were in sunny Spain, AFAIK12:12
Luremhb: and I was in mt view just a year ago - actually I will stay in same hotel just next week ;-)12:12
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Lurekwwii: ^^^ ;-)12:13
ugakwwii: heh, too much sauerkraut and bratwrst? =)12:14
nixternalas it stands, unfortunately I will not be at this UDS12:14
mhbnixternal: aww, why so?12:15
nixternalthey haven't approved my days off for school...plus I just used days off for a funeral12:15
jpatrickuga: yo a Gerona12:16
mhbnixternal: too bad...12:16
nixternalya, there will be more though12:16
nixternalplus I would have gotten in the way probably12:16
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mhbnixternal: did jr manage to fill your place with someone else?12:17
ugajpatrick: heh, otro apagn a la catalana? =)12:17
mhbnixternal: (I do not know how the system works, just wondering)12:17
jpatrickuga: :P12:17
nixternalmhb: well I wasn't asking to be sponsored if I were to go12:17
mhbnixternal: right :o)12:19
kwwiiuga, Lure: I thought were I lived in america was backwards but then I moved to bavaria ;-)12:23
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Lurekwwii: ;-)12:24
ugakwwii: I was in mnchen back in april12:29
manchicke1kwwii: Really?  I thought you liked it over there.12:29
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ugakwwii: finally I tasted the so many times mentioned Kraut (DE) ;)12:29
ugaanyway, I didn't think it was that bad, from a tourist's pov12:30
ugamaybe not that nice for a living12:30
ugaafter work stuff I could only enjoy 2 days...12:31
ugatwo afternoons, rather12:31
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kwwiiuga: I make awesome kraut, come to my house next time :-)12:37
kwwiithe secret is adding enough carraway seed so you don't fart all night12:38

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