[12:56] <nixternal> Riddell: created - direct copy & s/Beta/RC
[12:58] <Riddell> thanks
[01:00] <nixternal> no problem...RC due out tomorrow?
[01:00] <nixternal> or today, depending on where you are at
[01:01] <nixternal> it sure is...man this cycle has flown by
[02:19] <Riddell> new desktop CDs and DVDs are up for testing
[03:22] <DaSkreech> ok
[04:36] <DaSkreech> Gutsy?
[04:42] <genii> Hello ?
[04:44] <DaSkreech> blast  I forgot what I was going to ask
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Just noticed something I wanted confirmed.
[04:44] <DaSkreech> When I see it again I'll holler with the actual thing so I don't forget
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Ohg
[04:44] <DaSkreech> does displayconfig work?
[04:46] <DaSkreech> It crashes for me
[04:47] <DaSkreech> displayconfig-restore  works
[04:49] <Jucato> works here
[04:49] <Jucato> of course still can't change res
[04:49] <DaSkreech> :)
[04:50] <DaSkreech> Ok I'll reinstall
[04:50] <Jucato> I might just do that on the 18th if I can't figure out my kernel woes
[04:50] <DaSkreech> the app :-P
[04:50] <Jucato> I suspect it had something to do with trying to install vbox earlier
[04:50] <Jucato> ah. me the system
[04:53] <DaSkreech> Naw
[04:54] <DaSkreech> I'm reinstalling when Kubuntu ships KDE by default
[04:54] <DaSkreech> not before
[04:55] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Instead of Gnome????
[04:55] <DaSkreech> Didn't I say 4?
[04:55] <ScottK> Not that I noticed
[04:55] <DaSkreech> I'm sure it was echoing in my head
[04:55] <DaSkreech>  there's not enough stuff in there for it to hide so it must have escaped!
[05:05] <DaSkreech> Thank god you are off of coffee
[05:14] <genii> DaSkreech: I'm at home so beer right now :)
[05:14] <DaSkreech> As long as it's not coffee :)
[05:16] <Jucato> ScottK: I ust misread that...
[05:32] <genii> Damn. Last beer in the fridge
[05:34] <DaSkreech> I'll have it
[05:36] <genii> Too late
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Jucato: The .1 daily releases are remasters?
[05:37] <Jucato> dunno..
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Why do I keep asking you stuff? :)
[05:37] <DaSkreech> The .1 daily releases are remasters?
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Jucato: How goes reading?
[05:38] <Jucato> reading of?
[05:38] <DaSkreech> Programming
[05:38] <Jucato> on hold... lazy week
[05:38] <Jucato> but half way through overloading operators...
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Ok
[05:51] <ScottK> Anyone know why we don't support .svg desktop icons?
[05:52] <DaSkreech> KDE4 ?
[05:52] <ScottK> KDE3
[05:52] <ScottK> KDE4 does, but there have been patches for it around for years.
[05:52] <ScottK> for KDE3
[05:52] <ScottK> Apparently not.
[05:53] <ScottK> I'm trying to fix something and the icon works fine in Ubuntu, but not in Kubuntu and it's .svg.
[05:54] <ScottK> It's not a huge isse for this as there's a KDE specific alternative app, but I'm curious in general.
[05:55] <Tm_T> KDE3 can use svg icons
[05:55] <Tm_T> well, in theory, but it is slow
[05:55] <ScottK> OK.
[05:55] <Tm_T> because bitmap caching sucks in this use
[05:56] <Tm_T> so, you end up generating bitmaps from svgs all the time
[05:56] <ScottK> OK. I'll just leave it in this case.
[05:56] <Tm_T> one thing that GNOME does better
[05:57] <Tm_T> ..before KDE4 that is ;--P
[05:57] <DaSkreech> How is the KDE4 one better?
[05:57] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: whole rendering is rethought
[05:57] <DaSkreech> better than Gnome?
[05:58] <Tm_T> atleast better than KDE3
[06:04] <DaSkreech> What happened to my Preview in Konqueror?
[06:05] <Tm_T> I ate it
[06:06] <DaSkreech> This is beyond the suck
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[06:07] <DaSkreech>  at least I can reliably get Konqueror to crasj
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Yup
[06:12] <DaSkreech> defintely can get it crash repeatably
[06:12] <ScottK> DaSkreech: On 3.5.8?
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[06:13] <ScottK> What are you doing?
[06:13] <DaSkreech> Never tried this on 3.5.7 cause konqueror had the brilliant idea that I could stream music
[06:13] <ScottK> Hasn't crashed on me yet.
[06:13] <DaSkreech> trying to preview a mp3 file
[06:15] <DaSkreech> in 3.5.7 I could right click a media link on the net and it would give the option to open with kafienne amarok mplayer or Kmplayer
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Or I could preview in Kaffiene or kmplayer which opened it in place
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Which was highly useful
[06:15] <DaSkreech> I can't preview anymore I can only open
[06:15] <DaSkreech> So I hit F9 and dragged the link to the media player tab
[06:17] <ScottK> Why in the world is adept_batch suddenly popping up a GUI window on me.  Ugh.
[06:18] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Does that work for you?
[06:18] <ScottK> It won't let me drop it.
[06:19] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Which URL ?
[06:19] <ScottK> I was doing it with a local file.  Give me a url
[06:21] <ScottK> DaSkreech: ^^^
[06:21] <DaSkreech> http://www.asobiseksu.com/mp3/wotm.mp3
[06:22] <ScottK> http://www.asobiseksu.com/mp3/wotm.mp3
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Umm yes that one
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Want a .ogg one?
[06:23] <ScottK2> I installed the mp3 support, so that should be fine.
[06:23] <DaSkreech> ok
[06:23] <ScottK2> So when I go to the URL, I get an option to open with Amarok or not....
[06:25] <ScottK2> Nope.  Won't let me drop that either.
[06:26] <DaSkreech> http://www.asobiseksu.com/audio.php
[06:26] <DaSkreech> It's close to the bottom
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Walk on the moon
[06:26] <ScottK2> OK
[06:26] <DaSkreech> You can try any of hte others
[06:26] <DaSkreech> I just like that song :)
[06:28] <ScottK2> Nope.  Can't make it drop.  Sorry.
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Night
[06:29] <genii> DaSkreech: I'm starting to remember why I don't telnet much anymore LOL
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Need Gui commands? :)
[06:30] <genii> DaSkreech: Nah, need sleep
[06:30] <DaSkreech> one more thing! :0
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Night genii
[06:33] <genii> gnite
[06:54] <Hobbsee> hiya!
[06:54] <Jucato> I never got the chance to ask how your mom's birthday went. D
[06:54] <Jucato> :D
[06:56] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[06:56] <Hobbsee> i gave her present to her a couple of days later, and she was very happy with it :)
[06:57] <Hobbsee> so all is forgiven, i think
[06:57] <Hobbsee> doesnt help i still think it's september.  or maybe june
[06:58] <Jucato> heheh :)
[06:58] <Jucato> all's well that ends well :)
[06:58] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:01] <Jucato> I was just wondering... your available shipit options are based on your LP karma right?
[07:01] <Hobbsee> unsure
[07:01] <Hobbsee> apparently it's that, or membership
[07:01] <Hobbsee> i can get up to 10
[07:02] <Jucato> oh yeah me too. then probably membership only :P
[07:02] <stdin> someone asked on launchpad-users@ but got no answer
[07:02] <Jucato> 10 mixed, 8 PC and 2 64-bit I think
[07:02] <Hobbsee> they likely dont know, would be why
[07:02] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:02] <Hobbsee> although you can do a special form and whatnot
[07:02] <Jucato> hehe
[07:02] <Jucato> coz I was just wondering, if it's based on karma.. poor IRC people :P
[07:03] <Jucato> I should get familiar with the help ticket system though... to add to my ever growing places of support :/
[07:04] <stdin> think of LP almost like MySpace, but for OpenSource projects :)
[07:07] <Jucato> yeah.. that's the reason why I feel allergic :)
[07:08] <Tm_T> ?
[07:08] <stdin> don't worry, you won't get friend requests. just endless bug report replies from year old bugs
[07:08] <Jucato> hehe :)
[07:09] <Hobbsee> stdin: ew.
[07:09] <Jucato> Tm_T: something along the lines of, "hey! add me if you're my friend" and "write me a testimonial NOW! "
[07:09] <Tm_T> Jucato: haha
[07:12] <Tm_T> Jucato: same
[07:13] <Jucato> hah!
[07:15] <Jucato> Hobbsee: beautiful link! :)
[07:15] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:16] <Jucato> I do?
[07:17] <stdin> yep https://launchpad.net/~jucato-kubuntu
[07:17] <Jucato> O.o
[07:17] <Jucato> wth?
[07:18] <stdin> I wonder what the G stands for?
[07:18] <Jucato> at least I know it's not mine
[07:18] <Tm_T> it wasnt me!
[07:18] <Jucato> de Guzman
[07:18] <Jucato> mother's maiden name
[07:18] <Jucato> here, we call it our middle name/initial
[07:19] <Jucato> but seriously. I didn't make that account, although it's half true :)
[07:19] <stdin> I know you didn't, LP made it for you
[07:20] <Tm_T> Jucato: I had two accounts by accident, old bugzilla import and one created from mail I sent =)
[07:20] <Tm_T> yup
[07:20] <Tm_T> how friendly =)
[07:20] <Jucato> ah I remember. this was when I submitted a patch for Umbrello
[07:20] <Jucato> friendly and scary :)
[07:20] <Tm_T> I am
[07:20] <Tm_T> kid, when you grow up, you'll understand
[07:20] <Jucato> er.. was talking about LP :)
[07:21] <Tm_T> oh...
[07:21] <Jucato> aw...
[07:21] <Jucato> you're friendly, not scary
[07:21] <Jucato> LP's friendly and scary
[07:21] <Jucato> but mostly scary
[07:22] <Tm_T> King Crimson - One More Red Nightmare <3
[07:22] <Jucato> only geniuses like Hobbsee comprehend LP
[07:22] <nixternal> OMG!#@!!!!
[07:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:22] <Hobbsee> !visternal
[07:22] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[07:23] <Jucato> yay!!!
[07:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you can merge that account,b tw
[07:23] <nixternal> Riddell: you freakin' rock!!! I just got an email with your face glued to it! You know how Kontact does with the address book and what not? Anyways, the email said you did it! YES YOU! You have uploaded Jambi and you my friend, are my new favorite hero!
[07:23] <Jucato> new? only new? O.o
[07:23] <Jucato> tsk tsk :P
[07:24] <Jucato> Hobbsee: can I just delete that one? I mean what's it for anyway? :/
[07:25] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i dont think so - and it's created when you uploaded kdesdk, with a different email it seems
[07:25] <Jucato> funny though, I didn't upload anything... nixternal's new favorite hero did ;)
[07:25] <stdin> Jucato: and the patch to dolphin
[07:25] <nixternal> O'Reilly just interviewed me about what I do in MOTU. And would you believe...I pimped Kubuntu!!! :)
[07:25] <Hobbsee> woot!
[07:25] <Jucato> yay!
[07:25] <nixternal> hellz ya!
[07:26] <Jucato> pimpastic!
[07:26] <nixternal> I pimped MOTU too, as we need help...but man I could help pokin' in the Kubuntu and KDE references :)
[07:26] <Jucato> surprised you didn't pimp docteam too :)
[07:26] <nixternal> bah them fools
[07:27] <nixternal> man, how did I get stuck doing 3 open week talks by the way?
[07:27] <nixternal> why not
[07:27] <nixternal> you can't give me a good enough reason
[07:28] <Jucato> I may know a lot about KDE, but not about how Kubuntu does things internally, not enough to be able to help people get into doing Kubuntu stuff
[07:28] <Jucato> my knowledge hasn't reached visternal-level yet
[07:28] <Jucato> heck not even stdin-level!
[07:28] <nixternal> Jucato: you say something like that one more time, I will smack your Konversation! You know just as much about it as I do, if not more
[07:29] <Tm_T> Jucato: you're always in Jucato-level
[07:29] <Tm_T> ok, it's icy snowy weather without proper snow :/
[07:29] <Jucato> packaging, motu, docwork, ppa, LP, bugs stuff, development workflow, freezes, merges
[07:29] <Jucato> what else?
[07:29] <n8k99> Jucato-level > kubuntu_ level
[07:30] <Tm_T> Jucato: but what's my level?
[07:30] <Jucato> hm... kde level? :)
[07:30] <Tm_T> er?
[07:31] <Jucato> nixternal: no really, seriously. I don't know enough about how things are done "properly" in Kubuntu. I may know lots user-support stuff (I don't deny that), but that's a different area...
[07:31] <nixternal> Jucato: you know how we work stuff around here
[07:32] <Jucato> no I don't. really. I just pretend I know most of the time bwahah!
[07:32] <nixternal> bah
[07:33] <Tm_T> Jucato: and you prolly know more than me =)
[07:33] <Jucato> I'd love to talk on and on about Kubuntu and helping Kubuntu.. I just don't think I know enough in the aspect of helping in Kubuntu aside from user support :)
[07:34] <Jucato> Tm_T: considering our age difference? I doubt it :P
[07:34] <Tm_T> Jucato: well, I'm too old to remember, as you might remember
[07:34] <nixternal> lol
[07:34] <nixternal> nice one
[07:35] <Jucato> rembmer what?
[07:35] <Jucato> er can't type :P
[08:26] <Nightrose> ~
[08:26] <Hobbsee> ~~
[08:29] <Jucato> ~~^~
[08:30] <Jucato> (that's an incoming tidal wave btw)
[08:32] <stdin> hmm, konversation seems to reliably crash whenever I click the tray icon :(
[08:38] <Hobbsee> interesting
[09:39] <davmor2> Riddell: Ping
[10:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm downloading all i386/amd64 dvd + cds and will test them throughout the day
[10:15] <_StefanS_> Riddell: someone capped a cable yesterday causing the speed of my internet to perform at 18kb/s :)
[10:15] <_StefanS_> Riddell: its fixed now
[10:39] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm preparing and testing that brightness up/down thingy in a moment
[10:39] <_StefanS_> Jucato: hey!
[10:39] <Jucato> hi _StefanS_!
[10:40] <_StefanS_> Jucato: so whats happening.. ? been outside your room lately ? :D
[10:40] <_StefanS_> Jucato: you always seem online
[10:40] <Jucato> yeah just got back in. went to the store to buy mt.dew
[10:40] <_StefanS_> oh
[10:40] <Jucato> I am, 16 hours a day at most
[10:40] <_StefanS_> Jucato: wow thats alot
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I wish I could use more time on this, but.. family first
[10:41] <Jucato> of course around 4 hours of those I'm not sitting in front of the computer :)
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Jucato: got my 7weeks old boy sleeping right next to me now ;)
[10:41] <Jucato> yeah kinda enjoying it while it lasts...
[10:41] <Jucato> aw how cute :)
[10:41] <_StefanS_> yep he's completely away
[10:41] <_StefanS_> its hard being little.
[11:32] <_StefanS_> Lure: you there?
[11:32] <_StefanS_> Lure: I've put in the brightness stuff, and will test it now
[11:40] <_StefanS_> Lure: I've installed kmilo now, and keys are mapped and all... nothing happens :)
[11:40] <_StefanS_> great..
[11:40] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ping?
[11:47] <Riddell> hi _StefanS_
[11:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: got an idea why the correctly mapped key(s) doesnt get picked up by kmilo?
[11:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: everything seems to be in order
[11:49] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm testing the dvds and the cds now btw
[11:54] <Riddell> can you report your results on https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/build/Kubuntu ?
[11:54] <_StefanS_> yep
[11:54] <Riddell> kmilo is a fiddly thing depending on lots of other fiddly things, there could be a problem anywhere really
[12:03] <_StefanS_> uhm..
[12:04] <_StefanS_> better wait for Lure then
[12:09] <Riddell> davmor2: you pinged?
[12:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: i386 both dvd and cd looks fine, I couldn't find any issues with them
[12:31] <Riddell> excellent
[12:32] <Riddell> you still need to report to https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/build/Kubuntu :)
[12:33] <_StefanS_> will do
[01:38] <Lure> _StefanS_: do you have patch somewhere to review?
[01:38] <Lure> _StefanS_: did you logout/login after install?
[02:03] <Tonio_> hey
[02:03] <Tonio_> jcastro: ping ?
[02:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: you wanted me to do something for the openweek right ?
[02:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: cause I pinged jcastro several time, never got a response..... I believe it is juste too late to join, btw....
[02:05] <Tonio_> nixternal: I saw you planned some things in there, maybe I can help somehow ?
[02:11] <Riddell> he does seem to have forgotten you
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: no problem
[02:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: little question.... how to I change the redirection of my tonio@ubuntu.com address ?
[02:43] <Riddell> change your launchpad preferred address I believe
[02:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: tried but I can't see where what defines the "prefered" :)
[02:47] <Riddell> try #launchpad
[02:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[02:58] <davmor2> Riddell: yes.  It's okay though now I'm going to be around latter on so I can speak with Bryce :)
[03:04] <jcastro> Tonio_: pong, I'm around
[03:06] <Hobbsee> hiya jcastro
[03:08] <Tonio_> jcastro: nice ;)
[03:08] <Tonio_> jcastro: well we discussed a moment ago about the openweek
[03:09] <Tonio_> jcastro: but it looks like a bit too late now to participate right ?
[03:09] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_!
[03:09] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee, hi Tonio_, hi Riddell
[03:09] <Jucato> hi *
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: well, i got asked for MOTU last night, so probably not.
[03:09] <Jucato> and .* :)
[03:09] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: interesting :)
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hiya Jucato
[03:09] <Tm_T> hi kids
[03:10] <jcastro> Tonio_: nope, it's not too late
[03:10] <Tonio_> jcastro: super
[03:11] <Tonio_> jcastro: so you'd be interested in me doing something on friday arround kubuntu ?
[03:11] <jcastro> let me check the schedule
[03:13] <jcastro> Tonio_: there seems to be 2 kubuntu sessions already
[03:14] <Tonio_> jcastro: right, I may just try to help nixternal then :)
[03:15] <jcastro> wow, that schedule filled up
[03:16] <jcastro> it was pretty empty a day or two ago
[03:30] <nixternal> Tonio_: take one of the sessions
[03:31] <nixternal> I thought you wanted to do something...I told imbrandon about it as well
[03:31] <Tonio_> nixternal: hum, why not :)
[03:31] <jcastro> Tonio_: we could also have you down for a backup session
[03:31] <jcastro> Tonio_: then all you have to do is push imbrandon into an incoming car
[03:31] <nixternal> jcastro: give him one of the sessions
[03:31] <jcastro> ok
[03:31] <nixternal> Tonio_: take whichever session is best for you
[03:32] <Tonio_> nixternal: well would be nice to know what did you want to talk about ;) so that we don't duplicate :)
[03:32] <Tonio_> nixternal: probably the second one wold be better for me
[03:32] <nixternal> heh, I have no clue just yet...that would be fine
[03:32] <nixternal> we have a couple of weeks to work it out
[03:32] <nixternal> that is great, because I have the doc one as well
[03:33] <jcastro> ok I'll put Tonio for the second kubuntu session
[03:33] <nixternal> thanks jcastro
[03:36] <Tonio_> nixternal: oki let's keep in touch ;)
[03:36] <nixternal> will do...I will probably start a wiki with some ideas in the next few days..so I will keep you updated
[03:47] <Jucato> any developer guru know what's happening in bug 136458 ?
[03:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136458 in dolphin "dolphin not able to save bookmarks after using "open as root" option" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136458
[03:54] <Riddell> Jucato: unlikely to be fixed for gutsy
[03:54] <Riddell> we need to look at having kdesudo set $HOME etc
[03:54] <Riddell> or $KDEHOME at least
[03:55] <Jucato> Riddell: ok. at least it's something that can be solved w/ chmod
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya
[04:01] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[04:01] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:01] <nixternal> I think I have found exactly the thing my truck needs
[04:01] <nixternal> http://www.hornblasters.com/video.php?pic=42
[04:02] <bddebian> heh
[04:05] <nixternal> I want my truck to sound like a train...chooo chooo
[04:08] <Tm_T> nixternal: not like ice cream van? tidelidoo etc
[04:08] <Tm_T> and see how kids in neighbourhood runs around searching it =)
[04:08] <nixternal> hehe
[04:09] <nixternal> pull them in with the ice cream truck sound, then hit the horns
[04:09] <Tm_T> =)
[04:09] <nixternal> hook the horns up to my alarm...man that would suck
[04:09] <Jucato> hah
[04:54] <mhb> so what are your plans for Gutsy? Anything mind-blowing?
[04:54] <mhb> err, hardy
[04:55] <Jucato> when's the openweek again?
[04:55] <mhb> check p.u.c
[04:55] <fdoving> what's openweek?
[04:56] <Jucato> the 2nd openweek
[04:56] <Jucato> mhb: packages.ubuntu.com ?
[04:56] <mhb> fdoving: the same for you, check p.u.c for more than enough info (planet)
[04:56] <Jucato> aaah
[04:57] <fdoving> ahh, i remember that from lastyear or whenever it was.
[04:57] <fdoving> last time.
[04:57] <Jucato> yeah. this is the 2nd one
[04:57] <Jucato> the first one came as a sort of "response" to the MS-Novell deal iirc
[04:57] <Jucato> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[04:58] <Jucato> hm. but before that there's a MOTU Q&A tomorrow.. hm..
[04:59] <nixternal> Jucato: this is the 3rd one
[04:59] <Jucato> orly? O.o
[04:59] <nixternal> ya
[04:59] <nixternal> I did the documentation stuff for the 2nd one
[04:59] <Jucato> ok. I'm getting senile..
[04:59] <nixternal> the 1st one we all kind of shunned off because of the email to novell/opensuse and what not..or the blog post
[05:00] <Jucato> I was there in that one
[05:00] <nixternal> the 1st one pulled in a lot of people though, and iirc the 2nd one, the attendance was down
[05:00] <Jucato> probably didn't attend the 2nd one
[05:00] <nixternal> I am sure you did, you just don't remember
[05:00] <Jucato> probably not.. if it coincided w/ my sabbatical :)
[05:01] <Riddell> davmor2: are you in a position to be testing desktop CDs?
[05:02] <davmor2> testing as we speak which would you like test kub is next after edu
[05:04] <Riddell> i386 desktop needs testing
[05:05] <davmor2> Riddell: will do I think it is on my list any way :)  But it might only be for winfoss but I can test at the same time :)
[05:09] <Jucato> at least I'm not the only one who thinks so :)
[05:10] <davmor2> Riddell: is it that it just needs testing?  or is there something specific?  As I'm doing a netboot (mini.iso) install next.
[05:11] <freeflying> Riddell: need renice strigidameon? it cost quite a lot resource
[05:12] <Riddell> davmor2: https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/test/1033 is just a bit too empty for the release managers liking, it should have tests from someone other than me
[05:12] <Riddell> freeflying: strigi is off by default now
[05:13] <davmor2> Riddell:  Np
[05:14] <freeflying> Riddell: yes, but when it starts, we shall low it priority
[05:15] <Riddell> freeflying: that would probably be good, patches to strigiapplet welcome (it wouldn't be hard)
[05:16] <freeflying> Riddell: ok
[05:17] <davmor2> Riddell: pedro_ is already running kub 32 tests but I will add to it after okay :)
[05:24] <mhb> so what are your plans for hardy then? does anyone have something big in his sleeve for hardy?
[05:25] <nosrednaekim> mhb: a wattmeter in the powermanager.
[05:25] <nosrednaekim> I already submitted patches.. way back b4 fiesty.
[05:26] <mhb> nosrednaekim: the current Kubuntu one or the future KDE4 one?
[05:26] <Riddell> mhb: hardy being LTS it should be more about stabalisation and polish than normal
[05:26] <mhb> Jucato: fresh artwork you can do
[05:26] <Jucato> me? artwork? ha! :P
[05:26] <Jucato> oh goody, my idea echoes Riddell's :)
[05:26] <mhb> Jucato: well, collecting it and doing minor tweaks, surely
[05:27] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: did you get a response to the patches?
[05:27] <mhb> Riddell: yup, I know ... I wondered what others are up to for hardy.
[05:28] <Riddell> hmm, upgrade, yes
[05:28] <nosrednaekim> mhb: I submitted them to Lure, the current one.
[05:29] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: ^^
[05:29] <nosrednaekim> sorry.
[05:30] <nosrednaekim> I think I filed a wish-list as well.
[05:31] <mhb> I really think we should update our artwork a bit more radically than we did for gutsy
[05:32] <Riddell> we have all of two KDE specific sessions scheduled for UDS: kde4-integration and kde-catchup
[05:32] <Riddell> mhb: did ubuntu even get a new background for gutsy?
[05:32] <mhb> just two?
[05:32] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: yeah it did... darker.. chocolatey
[05:32] <davmor2> Riddell: netboot kub works on 64 bit :)
[05:33] <mhb> Riddell: it did, AFAIK. But you are right - the main graphic change was compiz integration
[05:33] <nosrednaekim> do we know for sure if we are sticking with KDE3 in gutsy?
[05:34] <mhb> nosrednaekim: we do, we are.
[05:34] <Riddell> aww, come one, we've a week to go, we can change our default desktop surely?!
[05:34] <mhb> nosrednaekim: even more now thanks to the KDE4 delay.
[05:34] <mhb> Riddell: oh I think he meant hardy.
[05:34] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I did mean hardy.. sorry
[05:34] <mhb> I did, at least.
[05:34] <Riddell> :)
[05:35] <Riddell> KDE 4 won't be anywhere near LTS ready by then
[05:35] <Riddell> but I'd like to make the packages more integrated, you shouldn't have to go setting any environment variables for them to work
[05:36] <mhb> Riddell: is "2" the final number on KDE4-related session at the UDS?
[05:36] <Riddell> mhb: no
[05:36] <Riddell> I suspect we're ment to include KDE stuff in other sessions more
[05:37] <Riddell> I see there's one called partition-management
[05:38] <Hobbsee> probably top sekrit, if canonical is up to usual tactics.
[05:38] <davmor2> Riddle: heno is also testing kub 32
[05:38] <Hobbsee> they'll make it public the day before it starts.
[05:38] <Riddell> davmor2: excellent
[05:39] <mhb> oh, by the way, wish me luck tomorrow, I am going to the U.S. embassy begging for a visa :o)
[05:39] <Jucato> good luck!
[05:39] <Riddell> jings, good luck
[05:41] <mhb> kde-catchup sounds interesting
[05:42] <davmor2> Riddell:  this is what bryce sent about 151311 but I have no idea what to do with it :)
[05:42] <davmor2> I'll post an x86 .deb after it's finished building.
[05:42] <davmor2> If it solves the issue, we could investigate doing a cleaner patch.
[05:42] <davmor2>   http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/xorg-server-dpi/
[05:42] <davmor2> I've posted a debdiff with two patches that override the dpi auto-magic in two places:
[05:42] <Riddell> davmor2: have you tried his .debs?
[05:43] <davmor2> Riddell:  Do I just install them like any other package then?
[05:43] <Riddell> davmor2: depends how you install other packages :)
[05:44] <Riddell> download and click for gdebi, wget and dpkg --install for command line
[05:44] <Riddell> then restart X with that driver in use
[05:44] <davmor2> np will do when I have kub on my desktop :)
[05:59] <Riddell> mhb: it's top secret, so you'll need to guess where scott would put a random html file related to ubuntu
[06:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: who's in the picture of http://kubuntu.org/ ?
[06:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: on the canonical wiki, of course!
[06:01] <Jucato> Hobbsee: the guy in yellow? Aaron Seigo (aseigo)
[06:01] <Hobbsee> oh, of course
[06:02] <Hobbsee> knew it was one of the head kde dudes who i hadnt met - i was coming up with coolo, but that didnt sound right.
[06:02] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no, not that top secret
[06:02] <Riddell> that was the best picture I could find of the kubuntu akademy poster
[06:03] <Jucato> definitely not the best picture of aseigo... but he can always say it was tom green :)
[06:03] <Riddell> entries welcome for a picture to go with RC
[06:04] <mhb> Riddell: ah, yes. vewwy secwet.
[06:04] <Jucato> do we have a nixternal picture? :)
[06:04] <mhb> Riddell: thanks for not helping :o)
[06:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: monday...planning to shove 3.5.8 before then?
[06:09] <Riddell> what's special about monday?
[06:09] <Riddell> but yes, I'd like to get it in, probably tomorrow, nobody has reported any problems with it and the packaging was simple
[06:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh, soyou're not reading --meeting
[06:15] <jpatrick> what have I missed?
[06:22] <davmor2> Riddell: applying the patch now to 32 bit netboot
[06:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sounds good to me
[06:35] <davmor2> Riddell: Collar hold of bryce tell him it's fixed :).  I have disabled the fixed fonts and everything including the login screen is the right size.  I got to go off for a bit so ttyl.
[06:38] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I see it now
[06:38] <Riddell> davmor2: great
[06:45] <nixternal> Riddell: I have a great pic for RC release
[06:45] <Hobbsee> it had better not have me in it...
[06:45] <nixternal> no
[06:45] <Jucato> oh please let Hobbsee be in it :)
[06:45] <Jucato> hahaha
[06:45] <nixternal> it has a buddy of mine holding his Kubuntu license plate for his car
[06:45] <Riddell> nixternal: that's a good idea
[06:45] <Riddell> got a URL?
[06:46] <nixternal> Riddell: I am trying to find his blog
[06:46] <nixternal> he hasn't answered yet...I will find it here in a sec
[06:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ping ?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: zzzpong
[06:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay so let's do quick :)
[06:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: is there a long time to wait before launchpad rereads the email addresses properties ?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: unsure.  i dont remember.  lp guys might know
[06:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I changed my default contact address 3 hours ago at least and my @ubuntu.com mail still come to my old email address (that I completly removed from launchpad, in fact)
[06:49] <Jucato> uga: [00:02]  <Riddell> that was the best picture I could find of the kubuntu akademy poster
[06:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: k, I'll wait till tomorrow and then we'll see
[06:49] <uga> Jucato: LOL
[06:50] <Hobbsee> yeah, i dont thin kit's that quick
[06:50] <jpatrick> mine did as soon as I set it
[06:56] <nixternal> Riddell: http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i224/admiral_pro/p1010292-1.jpg
[06:57] <Riddell> perfect
[06:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: just wrote a patch for kde bug 144251
[06:58] <ubotu> KDE bug 144251 in general "TryExec has no effect" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144251
[06:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that too little bug to upload ?
[07:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: is that bug a problem for us?
[07:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: kde bug
[07:00] <Tonio_> oups, well not concerning the default config
[07:00] <uga> nixternal: can I give a suggestion? same plate placed on a real nice sports car, with you pointing thumbs up, and with letters that read "RC1, here we go!" =)
[07:01] <Tonio_> as we don't have desktop files on the desktop, but for a user copying files, yes that might create an issue
[07:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: send me the patch then if you think it's important
[07:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: that also might create an issue for people using debian-edu
[07:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: refresh the page, patch is on it
[07:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just built testing packages, fix works like a charm, so just ask if you want me to upload ;)
[07:02] <nixternal> uga: haha
[07:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't upload
[07:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[07:02] <Riddell> I have 3.5.8 sitting here
[07:02] <Tonio_> hum true, I forgot you worked on that :)
[07:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: well as any bug it is important as long as you need the feature, some people might :)
[07:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: want the patch by email ?
[07:03] <uga> nixternal: btw, you shot that photo with a direct flash. that causes shadows on the back. It's usually helpfull if you can somehow bounce the light on the roof
[07:03] <uga> you'll get a more natural light
[07:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: email with attachment is gone
[07:07] <gnomefreak> attachments are worms ;)
[07:08] <uga> nixternal: sorry if that goes beyond your interests. I am into much photography, and #photogeeks teaches you being picky ;))
[07:09] <nixternal> I didn't take the picture
[07:09] <nixternal> I wish I was good at photography...I need to pick up a decent camera to really start playing around with
[07:10] <nixternal> I currently just have an Olympus C700 Ultra Zoom, which i have yet to master
[07:11] <Tonio__> grmpf.....
[07:11] <Tonio__> Riddell: so as I said, email with attachment is in your mailbox
[07:21] <uga> nixternal: if you really want to get into photography you should forget about compacts, and especially superzooms. the longer the zoom is, the worse the image quality is (aberrations, flare, distortions,...)
[07:21] <uga> nixternal: also compacts are slow, not flexible, and due to much smaller sensors, much noisier
[07:22] <uga> now this goes off-topic ;)
[07:22] <fdoving> you should focus on cellphone cameras. :)
[07:22] <uga> fdoving: ;))
[07:23] <uga> uhm... I haven't set up my gallery since I migrated to this box
[07:23] <uga> I should do so this weekend
[07:26] <nixternal> ARGH!
[07:26] <nixternal> the about-kubuntu translations are way way wrong
[07:27] <nixternal> somehow they overwrote the main template with the desktop file template
[07:27] <fdoving> eek. overwriting is evil. hope you can revert.
[07:31] <nixternal> to late for that...so there will not be a translated about-kubuntu documentation
[07:32] <nixternal> which isn't grave honestly...as I am sure not many people read that compared to the rest of the docs
[07:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't see it
[07:39] <Riddell> a web server might work better
[07:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: lemme check....... madwifi crashes every 20 minutes here :)
[07:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/kubuntu_96_fix_kdesktop_tryexec.diff
[07:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: patch n is not good of course
[07:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: and bug closed is 144251 on kde bts
[08:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey
[08:13] <Lure> _StefanS_: any luck with brightness keys?
[08:13] <_StefanS_> Lure: nawp, even though I patched in the Sun Lower/Raise buttons
[08:14] <_StefanS_> Lure: and chanched accordingly i kmilo/generic to call the dcop stuff
[08:14] <Lure> _StefanS_: can you show kmilo patch for review?
[08:14] <_StefanS_> Lure: dont really get it
[08:14] <_StefanS_> Lure: uhm yep
[08:15] <_StefanS_> Lure: patched it manually, will do the regular debdiff now
[08:16] <Lure> _StefanS_: no problem, just show current diff of kmilo_generic.cpp (or whole file)
[08:16] <_StefanS_> Lure: ok
[08:20] <_StefanS_> Lure: mail is sent
[08:21] <Lure> _StefanS_: mail arrived ;-)
[08:21] <_StefanS_> cool
[08:24] <Lure> _StefanS_: stupid suggestion: did you try any other xkeysym (like XF86LaunchD)
[08:24] <Lure> I am a bit questioning the SunXxx
[08:27] <_StefanS_> yea that key might not work since it isnt named XF86*
[08:27] <Lure> _StefanS_: maybe some stupid filter in KGlobalAccel implementation rejects it
[08:28] <Lure> _StefanS_: or just assign BrignessUp function also to supend key or similar for quick check
[08:28] <Lure> _StefanS_: some key that works for you today
[08:28] <_StefanS_> XF86LaunchA works.
[08:32] <Lure> _StefanS_: interesting...
[08:33] <Lure> _StefanS_: we shoudl just use LaunchD and LaunchE (next free, as we use A-C)
[08:34] <Riddell> well, part of 3.94.0, feel free to do the rest, nixternal can get sources
[08:34] <Riddell> it's looking pretty lovely though
[08:34] <Lure> Riddell: great!
[08:35] <Lure> Riddell: will you upload also guidance from my ppa (fixes two bugs)
[08:35] <Riddell> not tonight
[08:35] <Riddell> others will I'm sure if you ask nicely
[08:36] <Lure> Riddell: np, as far as we get exception ;-)
[08:36] <Lure> Riddell: enjoy evening!
[08:36] <Riddell> no exception needed for bugfixes, just upload
[08:37] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will talk to Tonio_ or Hobbsee
[08:39] <_StefanS_> Lure: I will test with LaunchD+E
[08:47] <nixternal> heh, some one on planet kde talked about using Kugar to do shipping labels for his thesis...well my mom tasked me with creating labels for the thank you cards she is sending out to people who signed the book at my grandmother's funeral
[08:48] <nixternal> man, people who are friends of the family in Michigan, have some really strange, hillbilly-like, names
[08:49] <nixternal> and the names of the roads they live on are insane
[08:52] <nixternal> obviously these people can't read nor write
[08:53] <jpatrick> some people are just unforatunate..
[08:53] <nixternal> well, in the area of Michigan we are from, it isn't unusual
[08:53] <nixternal> unfortunate for them is their pick-up breaking down :D
[08:54] <nixternal> you can ask jjesse...he lives right by my family
[08:54] <jpatrick> if the governments put some of the money they put into weapons into education, food, clothing, etc - the world would be a better place
[08:55] <nixternal> have you ever seen the movie deliverance?
[08:55] <nixternal> the area they live in isn't far off from the town near the river in that movie
[08:56] <jpatrick> nope, haven't seen that
[08:56] <nixternal> and the funny thing...they live in Eau Claire, Michigan...in the sticks as we call it...way out in the boontoolies....where it is almost inhabitable...yet Kevin Costner built a huge mansion there for a hunting/vacation spot
[08:58] <_StefanS_> Riddell: when is the upload done to your ppa ? pretty anxious to test that 3.94
[08:58] <nixternal> _StefanS_: not for a while yet I am sure...we still need to build out the rest of the packages...I think he probably just uploaded libs and base/workspace
[08:59] <_StefanS_> uhm ok
[08:59] <_StefanS_> need some help building it?
[09:00] <jpatrick> I think the launchpad builders will be fine..
[09:00] <_StefanS_> well I sort of got the impression that builders were not available for ppa, didnt go too much into it
[09:01] <nixternal> _StefanS_: I need to download all of the tarballs, which I will do in a bit, and go from there...if I need some help or what not, I will poke you
[09:01] <_StefanS_> nixternal: great
[09:01] <nixternal> we might be able to split them up
[09:01] <jpatrick> ah, I thought they built them
[09:01] <_StefanS_> jpatrick: sorry for not knowing everything about launchpad.
[09:02] <jpatrick> _StefanS_: noone knows everything :) I have no idea what the situation is neither..
[09:03] <_StefanS_> its ok :)
[09:15] <_StefanS_> Lure: it works kinda wierd... only brightness up works and not the first few times I use the key combination.
[09:16] <Lure> _StefanS_: you may want to add some print statements to powermanager dcop method and start powermanager from cli to see if all presses are handled
[09:16] <_StefanS_> Lure: yea well.. I need to do some work so its going to be later
[09:47] <stdin> looks like kde v3.94.0 isn't going build :(
[09:57] <gnomefreak> stdin: do you have changelog from 3.93.0 > 3.94.0?
[09:58] <stdin> nope, not sure it's technically released yet
[09:59] <gnomefreak> ah ok i was thinking it wasnt an official release but a partial release
[09:59] <stdin> it will be beta3 when it's releases
[10:02] <gnomefreak> ah cool
[10:02] <gnomefreak> it needs alot of work tbh its still fairly unusible
[10:03] <gnomefreak> atleast gutsy packages for it
[10:03] <stdin> beta3 will be a lot better
[10:03] <gnomefreak> you mean they will add a menu? ;)
[10:04] <gnomefreak> theres something in top keft corner of screen that acts sort of like a menu
[10:04] <stdin> I think I saw a lot of stuff from playground get merged in to kdebase, so we should have a launcher, yeah :)
[10:04] <gnomefreak> s/keft/left
[10:04] <gnomefreak> yay!!!!
[10:04] <davmor2> Riddell: ping
[10:04] <stdin> it's the plasma thing, lets you add applets and such
[10:04] <gnomefreak> the thing in upper left?
[10:05] <gnomefreak> i figured that kind of weird though
[10:05] <stdin> yeah, the thing that drops down on mouse-over
[10:05] <gnomefreak> yeah
[10:06] <stdin> the "Desktop Toolbox"
[10:06] <gnomefreak> it needs to be hidden or able to be launched instead of there by default IMHO
[10:07] <stdin> yeah, it can be somewhat annoying
[10:07] <stdin> it also need a way to pin it open when you want it open
[10:07] <nosrednaekim> I thought it was being replaced..
[10:08] <gnomefreak> nosrednaekim: with what plasma is so new
[10:08] <gnomefreak> stdin: true
[10:08] <stdin> nosrednaekim: probably will be eventually
[10:08] <nosrednaekim> the desktop tool-bar.
[10:09] <nosrednaekim> I thought they were replacing it with a openable gui from a right click menu.
[10:09] <stdin> nosrednaekim: there is a plasmoid adder from the right click menu, but it doesn't have all the features of the toolbox
[10:09] <nosrednaekim> ah..ok
[10:09] <nosrednaekim> kicker
[10:10] <nosrednaekim> I mean...kickoff
[10:10] <stdin> gnomefreak: it will/does
[10:11] <gnomefreak> sweet
[10:16] <stdin> gnomefreak: looks like this right now: http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/937/cap2vi1.png
[10:17] <gnomefreak> stdin: that works in our version or you are using upstreams kde
[10:17] <stdin> this is from svn
[10:18] <gnomefreak> ah
[10:18] <stdin> but beta3 will/should be the same
[10:21] <gnomefreak> ok cross your fingers please
[10:21] <gnomefreak> dive in head first and hope no failures ;)
[10:22] <nosrednaekim> that looks better than nothing ;)
[10:22] <jpatrick> stdin: beta3 FTBFS
[10:23] <gnomefreak> ok brb while iceape 2.0 builds or fails to build
[10:23] <jpatrick> one package at least on amd64.. looking into it
[10:25] <_StefanS_> is there an alternative app switcher for kde3? (the one on alt+tab) ?
[10:26] <_StefanS_> never seen one though, other than kompos
[10:28] <jpatrick> you mean Katapult?
[10:31] <_StefanS_> jpatrick: uhm no... something like what you get with compiz, without having compiz ofcourse ;)
[10:31] <jpatrick> ahhh, right
[10:31] <_StefanS_> jpatrick: like previews of the open windows, rather than the icons
[10:32] <_StefanS_> jpatrick: and maybe a bit larger that currently.
[10:32] <_StefanS_> but I guess we just have to wait until kde4 provides all sorts of magic to do that in two lines of code :D
[10:33] <_StefanS_> Riddell: any noticeable new things in the last kde4 snapshot?
[10:33] <_StefanS_> Riddell: like kicker working :D
[10:34] <jpatrick> _StefanS_: he's out
[10:34] <_StefanS_> uhm ok
[10:34] <_StefanS_> I'm almost out too because of no sleep... but hey I can sleep when I get old. (in the 30's or something)
[10:36] <jpatrick> hmm, me too, but must try and fix kdebase-workspace first
[10:39] <jpatrick> -> shower
[10:43] <stdin> huh, kdebase-workspace shouldn't have even attempted to build...
[10:44] <stdin> ah, it needs updated build-deps
[10:46] <nosrednaekim> ryanakca: where are you?
[10:46] <ryanakca> nosrednaekim: kingston, ontario, canada
[10:46] <nosrednaekim> sweet :)
[10:46] <nosrednaekim> I suppose you helped influence that decision
 just a bit </sarcasm>
[10:48] <ryanakca> we had it on two last year
[10:48] <ryanakca> on in a computer lab, the other in a teacher's office... this year, there's half a dozen in one lab, and then I'm going to upgrade the feisty one in the office to gutsy
[10:49] <ryanakca> s/on in/one in
[11:38] <mhb> you are not going to like me
[11:40] <jpatrick> why not? (if I can ask)
[11:44] <mhb> jpatrick: check planet.ubuntu.com in a few minutes
[11:45] <mhb> jpatrick: everyone seems to be very optimistic there ,so lets give it a bit of controversy :o)
[11:47] <jpatrick> the suspense is killing me :o)
[11:51] <mhb> jpatrick: haha, perhaps they wont let it through
[11:51] <jpatrick> mhb: free speech for all
[11:51] <mhb> http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/english/lets-learn-from-our-mistakes/
[11:52] <mhb> ah, it is there already :o)
[11:52] <mhb> jpatrick: for some reason, it immediately dropped to the second place
[11:53] <jpatrick> first is 9 minutes earlier
[11:55] <jpatrick> mhb: if history means anything, it's: "History only shows us that mankind has learnt nothing from history" -- Hegel
[11:56] <Lure> mhb: ++
[11:59] <manchicke1> mhb: Are you going to UDS?
[12:00] <mhb> manchicke1: that depends ... on whether your country gives me a visa tomorrow
[12:01] <manchicke1> heh
[12:01] <manchicke1> I just live here :)
[12:01] <manchicke1> After UDS Sevilla, I don't think I'd mind too much moving to Europe.
[12:01] <manchicke1> kwwii seems to have had a great experience moving over there.
[12:02] <manchicke1> I just don't think I'm going to be able to find work enough to support such a move :)
[12:02] <manchicke1> And I also like my rural midwest a little too much.  It's almost creepy how much I love the rural midwest.
[12:04] <nixternal> I can honestly say those running Kubuntu Feisty, never once read the "Internet Docs" at all
[12:04] <uga|away> uds? I didn't hear of such meeting
[12:04] <nixternal> I had a bug in the translation install stuff in debian/rules that installed index/*.xml and not internet/*.xml :)
[12:05] <gnomefreak> uga: ubuntu developers summit
[12:05] <uga> yeah, I just didn't expect it to be in Seville
[12:05] <gnomefreak> last one was
[12:05] <uga> gnomefreak: does it cover (k)ubuntu too?
[12:05] <gnomefreak> uga: yes
[12:05] <uga> oh, last one, not this one then
[12:06] <gnomefreak> uga: riddell never misses one ;), i cant seem to make one :(
[12:06] <uga> heh
[12:06] <uga> I tried going to several aKademy meetings
[12:06] <uga> never managed. Mostly due to work stuff
[12:07] <Lure> who else is coming on uds from kubuntu-devel team?
[12:08] <uga> where is it this time?
[12:08] <Lure> uga: boston
[12:08] <uga> heh, lemme grab the bike ;)
[12:09] <uga> you think 20km/h will do? =)
[12:10] <jpatrick> uga: where are you now?
[12:10] <uga> north spain
[12:11] <mhb> Lure: if my information is correct, then jjesse, nixternal, me, jr and Ken (the usual) will come
[12:11] <jpatrick> uga: ah si? yo tambien!
[12:11] <kwwii> manchicke1: dude, moving to germany was probably one of the biggest mistakes in my life
[12:11] <Lure> mhb: oh, no Tonio_ or Hobbsee...
[12:11] <uga> jpatrick: de un pueblecito cerca de Bilbo
[12:12] <mhb> Lure: no, those were in sunny Spain, AFAIK
[12:12] <Lure> mhb: and I was in mt view just a year ago - actually I will stay in same hotel just next week ;-)
[12:13] <Lure> kwwii: ^^^ ;-)
[12:14] <uga> kwwii: heh, too much sauerkraut and bratwrst? =)
[12:14] <nixternal> as it stands, unfortunately I will not be at this UDS
[12:15] <mhb> nixternal: aww, why so?
[12:15] <nixternal> they haven't approved my days off for school...plus I just used days off for a funeral
[12:16] <jpatrick> uga: yo a Gerona
[12:16] <mhb> nixternal: too bad...
[12:16] <uga> oups
[12:16] <nixternal> ya, there will be more though
[12:16] <nixternal> plus I would have gotten in the way probably
[12:17] <mhb> nixternal: did jr manage to fill your place with someone else?
[12:17] <uga> jpatrick: heh, otro apagn a la catalana? =)
[12:17] <mhb> nixternal: (I do not know how the system works, just wondering)
[12:17] <jpatrick> uga: :P
[12:17] <nixternal> mhb: well I wasn't asking to be sponsored if I were to go
[12:19] <mhb> nixternal: right :o)
[12:23] <kwwii> uga, Lure: I thought were I lived in america was backwards but then I moved to bavaria ;-)
[12:23] <uga> lol
[12:24] <Lure> kwwii: ;-)
[12:29] <uga> kwwii: I was in mnchen back in april
[12:29] <manchicke1> kwwii: Really?  I thought you liked it over there.
[12:29] <uga> kwwii: finally I tasted the so many times mentioned Kraut (DE) ;)
[12:30] <uga> anyway, I didn't think it was that bad, from a tourist's pov
[12:30] <uga> maybe not that nice for a living
[12:31] <uga> after work stuff I could only enjoy 2 days...
[12:31] <uga> two afternoons, rather
[12:37] <kwwii> uga: I make awesome kraut, come to my house next time :-)
[12:38] <kwwii> the secret is adding enough carraway seed so you don't fart all night
[12:38] <kwwii> :p