MinatakuSorry, Dr_willis X312:41
SheeEttinnew2ub: Oh, play it. No idea. Use the tagging in Adept to show a list of games and pick out a few good ones.12:42
MinatakuWell, the psmisc tools are designed for process manipulation12:42
MinatakuThe command "kill" is actually a misnomer12:42
SheeEttinHe's bound to find one that sounds interesting.12:42
MinatakuConsidering that without arguments, it sends SIGTERM12:42
MinatakuWhich is "clean but abnormal process termination"12:43
new2ubSheeEttin, shoot....I just installed all that I thought looked interesting by the title....not much into games myself....he's 10 and loves games on the computer....just figured out how to play battleship and I know he'll love that12:43
DragnslcrIs -9 SIGKILL?12:43
DragnslcrI can't remember offhand12:43
new2ubbut when I click on the file to read how to play the game, it says it's not there12:43
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MinatakuSIGTERM IINM is Signal 1512:43
DragnslcrYeah, sounds about right12:43
DragnslcrIt's been a while since I did stuff with signals12:44
MinatakuSIGKILL one of two signals that can't be caught, blocked or ignored12:44
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MinatakuThe kernel basically says to the process "You got signal 9. I'm shuttin' ya down!"12:44
MinatakuThen does so... hopefully12:44
DragnslcrSIGKILL has often been my best friend12:45
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MinatakuYeah, 99.9% of the time it'll take care of an errant process12:45
SheeEttinnew2ub: Help > KBlackBox Handbook is unhelpful?12:45
MinatakuIf it's really stuck, though, 9 won't work, and you're stuck12:45
new2ubhand book doesn't want to come up12:45
DragnslcrThere isn't much that won't die from a sigkill12:46
MinatakuZombies never will12:46
MinatakuBut those are usually child process husks12:46
MinatakuThey'll get cleaned up when the parent exits12:46
DragnslcrYeah, I think killing the parent is supposed to clean up zombies12:46
MinatakuThen there are processes that get completely wedged12:46
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MinatakuIf it's stuck really bad, then 9 won't close it12:47
Yaroumight be my mirrors12:47
MinatakuAnd like I said, once that doesn't work, you're pretty much up crap creek12:47
SheeEttinnew2ub: try a reinstall in Adept, it got installed fine for me12:47
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DragnslcrAnd that's what the kill button on the front of the case is for12:47
MinatakuNo, that's what Magic SysRq is for12:48
MinatakuS S S U B12:48
Yarouyeah, still slow12:48
Yarouno matter what12:48
MinatakuSync, Sync, Sync, Unmount, reBoot12:48
SheeEttinNot REISUB?12:48
new2ubI'll try that12:49
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MinatakuNo, you issue those Magic SysRq commands, in that order, with a delay of about 10 sec between them12:50
MinatakuThat's when you get in a situation where you're unable to cleanly shut the machine down12:50
MinatakuThat should sync up the filesystems, unmount then remount them read only, then reboot12:51
MinatakuIf it all goes to plan, you won't have to fsck on reboot because it gets unmounted cleanly12:51
SheeEttinfscking my 500 GB drive takes forever >_<12:51
MinatakuWhich also reduces the chance that the fs gets corrupted as a result of uncleanly rebooting to about 012:52
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Yarouman, wtf12:53
Yarouwhy is networking so fucked up12:53
MinatakuWatch your f*cking language12:53
YammehIs there a way of making a script to loop through all the files in a folder that aren't .avi and delete them? :|12:53
MinatakuSeriously, though12:53
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MinatakuThere is, yes12:54
MinatakuBut I usually just take a cop out and move them all one directory back12:54
Yarounobody knows how to configure networking properly12:54
RiddellYarou: ls | grep -v avi | xargs rm12:54
MinatakuThen once I've deleted the unwanted files, I move them back into the directory12:55
RiddellYammeh rather12:55
Yammehholy crap12:55
YammehI gotta learn those scripts12:55
SheeEttinI'd rather use grep -v "\.avi$"12:56
YammehToo late :D12:56
MinatakuI'd rather use ls *avi*12:56
MinatakuOr ls *.avi12:56
Yaroualright, since everyone here is either a retard or a 12 year old12:56
MinatakuThough you have to add -112:56
MinatakuSo it does one file per line and doesn't add information12:56
SheeEttinBut ls usually does that anyway if it thinks it's being piped or something, doesn't it?12:57
DragnslcrI assume Yarou meant his desk by "here"12:57
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hydrogenMinataku: that wouldn't help at all12:58
hydrogenMinataku: how would listing avi files help with removing non avi files?12:58
SheeEttingrep -v prints non-matching lines12:59
MinatakuI meant ls --ignore-something="*.avi"12:59
MinatakuThere's a way to delist things with ls12:59
SheeEttinBut yeah, he didn't use grep...12:59
MinatakuI've forgotten the switch12:59
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MinatakuSorry >.<12:59
kruckmartinchi all, just done a fresh install of kubunt, however whenever i try and install something through cmdline it says it can't find the package, and although adept installer shows me all the packages, it won't let me install them - they are simply greyed out, anyone know whats wrong?12:59
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mrayi need help in mounting my NAS drive. does anybody have experience?01:04
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matteoin recent updates konqueror puts some ... in teh username01:05
matteoto obfuscate it?01:06
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ScorpKingit's a shame Yarou left. maybe sudo mii-tool eth0 will show what's wrong. hehe01:17
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kasablanca - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:19
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ScorpKingor even ethtool might be of some use. :)01:19
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ScorpKingreading - http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialNetworking.html01:20
hasan_hi guys01:20
ScorpKinghehe. nite guys.01:20
hasan_ive got a perl script and i want it to be run another application like kmail01:21
hasan_but whenever kmai tries to lunch it it issues a warning message saying operation is not permitted01:21
ScorpKinghasan_: use system(apname) for that01:21
hasan_how ?01:21
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ScorpKingjust put the line in the script. :)01:22
hasan_can u say it more explicitely?01:22
ScorpKingsystem('/sbin/shutdown -h -P -time +1 >> /dev/null&');01:22
ScorpKingthats the one i use to shut my server down. :D01:23
hasan_for what ?01:23
hasan_there is no script01:23
hasan_i launch kmail01:23
hasan_it should launch the perl script01:23
hasan_not the other way01:23
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hasan_where am i supposed to write your celever code ?01:23
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yannackosalut as tous01:24
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ScorpKingso you want to launch kmail from a perl script?01:24
hasan_i want kmail to launch that script01:25
hasan_it tries to launch it01:25
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hasan_but there is a warning saying operation is not permitted01:25
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hasan_precommand exited with code 101:26
ScorpKingthen i don't know. hehe :P01:26
hasan_operation is not permitted01:26
hasan_is it realted with group and other thing ?01:26
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ScorpKinghow do you launch the script with kmail?01:28
DragnslcrI didn't even know KMail could run scripts01:29
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ScorpKingme neither. lol01:29
Linus2Is there a way to / How do you configure Kintact to automatic trash unwanted email messages?01:29
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timUR How do i install and Enable Accelaration of Ubuntu legacy Nvidia ???01:30
timURdo u have any idea at all ??? whats so ever??01:31
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xevioustimUR: which release of ubuntu?01:33
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timURit downloads regular .... but it say that my Video card needs legacy01:33
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xeviousi use 7.04... i think the restricted drivers installation process changed significantly01:35
timURthats ok...01:35
timURbut how do i enable acceleration01:35
DaSkreechmray: What does the NAS support?01:35
DaSkreech!info kasablanca01:36
timURHow do i enable acceleration of NV legacy driver ??01:36
ubotukasablanca: fast and free ftp client for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version (feisty), package size 165 kB, installed size 628 kB01:36
xevioustimUR: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty01:36
timURthis does not tell me how to do it??01:36
timURare u kidding me?01:36
xeviousyes it does01:36
DaSkreechDragnslcr: Does it need to?01:37
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DaSkreechtimUR: #ubuntu+101:37
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xevioustimUR: are you using kubuntu or ubuntu?01:37
xevioustimUR: regardless, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia01:38
xevioustimUR: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html will tell you which driver you need, based on which card you have01:38
xevioushow many times will i paste that link today?01:39
xeviousthat's at least the 5th01:39
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timURThe program 'nvidia-xconfig' can be found in the following packages:01:40
timUR * nvidia-xconfig01:40
timUR * nvidia-glx01:40
timUR * nvidia-glx-new01:40
ugaoh great. When I had an app running just fine under wine, and the app was using proprietary libs, it worked just great. Now that the app uses mozilla stupidity, wine can't run it01:40
ugaisn't it nice01:40
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ugagotta love gecko01:40
timURI dont undertand u01:41
timURit give me this message when i type dia-xconfig01:41
timUR'nvidia-xconfig' can be found in the following packages:01:41
timUR * nvidia-xconfig01:41
timUR * nvidia-glx01:41
timUR * nvidia-glx-new01:41
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xevioustimUR: are you reading the nvidia binary driver howto?01:41
xevioustimUR: which nvidia card do you have?01:42
timURGeforce 2 mx 40001:42
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timURAnd i am using Ubuntu 7.1001:43
hasan_hi guys01:43
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hasan_how can i add kmail to opening?01:43
hasan_i mean it should have an icon next to date icon01:43
hasan_im a newbie linux user01:43
sub[t] rnltrying to start kmail when you start kde?01:44
xevioustimUR: u need the 96xx series driver which is in the package nvidia-glx01:44
hasan_when i start unix01:44
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timURxevious,  I am using 7.1001:44
sub[t] rnladd it in your ~/.kde/Autostart directory01:44
xevioustimUR: yeah i know01:44
hasan_what should i add there ?01:45
timURso if i click on Download and enable restirected driver manager it automaticly downloads and isntalls nvidia-glx not legacy that is how it suppous to be?01:45
hasan_what file  ?01:45
hasan_this is a directroy01:45
xevioustimUR: your card is supported by nvidia-glx01:45
timURhow do u know ?01:45
timURcanu give me link?01:45
xevioustimUR: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html01:45
xeviousi gave you that link already01:45
sub[t] rnltimUR: cd into your .kde/Autostart directory. Then do ln -s /usr/bin/kmail01:45
sub[t] rnlassuming thats where you have your kmail binary01:45
timURThe 1.0-96xx driver supports the following set of GPUs:01:46
timURso 1.0.96xx means nvidia-glx ?01:46
xevioustimUR: if you look at the other page i told you to look at, yes01:46
xevious"nvidia-glx (which corresponds to the 96xx driver)"01:46
timURsorry what other page?01:47
xeviousscroll up01:47
sub[t] rnlhasan_: that was meant for you, sorry01:47
timURoh i see thank youvery much01:47
xevioustimUR: you're welcome01:47
DaSkreechuga: MMMM gecko01:48
ugaDaSkreech: xulrunner... does it sound your ears?01:48
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timURso in 7.10 i just use restriced driver manager to do that01:48
ugaDaSkreech: it seems the manufacturer has migrated their code to mozilla libs, and now wine cant' run it01:48
ubotuTo make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.01:48
DaSkreechuga: Ah xulrunner is not gecko01:49
xevioustimUR: i'm fairly sure. yeah. i'm not familiar with 7.1001:49
ugaDaSkreech: I believe they'll use gecko this time too, though. They had some web based service in the app, running active x controls before01:49
DaSkreechuga: upgrade! :)01:49
ugamozilla is mentioned more than once in their licenses01:49
ugaDaSkreech: I guess you mean downgrade to old version? =)01:50
DaSkreechxulrunner is still a baby01:50
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hasan_im back again01:50
DaSkreechAnd It's main focus is Firefox which is a Windows application01:50
hasan_i ve restarted01:50
hasan_now kmail starts but not in minimized form01:50
hasan_i donno how u ccall it01:50
DaSkreechso there is probbaly going to be a time period before it works nicely with Linux01:51
hasan_but in tasbar near the date and hour01:51
hasan_i want it to be there01:51
hydrogenthe entire mozilla framework and suite is a horrible bloated piece of feces01:51
hasan_how can i do that ?01:51
hasan_how can i place kmail there?01:51
ugaDaSkreech: lol, not sure if you understand it... the application is a _windows_ one01:51
DaSkreechuga: once it does so though you have a clear path for nice stuff in the future instead of fearing the next update will use some undoumented activeX hack that will take a month to discover and 8 months to reverse engineer test and perfect01:52
ugaDaSkreech: running under wine. Previously the manufacturer didn't use mozilla, and run just fine under wine01:52
sub[t] rnlhasan_: I think there is a setting in kmail to have it display a system tray icon01:52
DaSkreechuga: Yes but xulrunner is cross platform01:52
ugaDaSkreech: now that they "embraced opensource", it sucks =)01:52
ugaI can't run it ;)01:52
DaSkreechuga: and it will get better :)01:52
hasan_do u know where it is ?01:52
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DaSkreechuga: Sure downgrade but the move is still a upgrade01:52
hydrogenit won't get better if it uses xulrunner01:52
ugaDaSkreech: btw, I loved this comment [01:50]  <DaSkreech> And It's main focus is Firefox which is a Windows application01:53
DaSkreechIt is01:53
ugayou think I should go into #ubuntu or #firefox and paste? ?01:53
DaSkreechMozilla makes no bones about it01:53
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ChousukeFirefox is a windows application :(01:53
ChousukeIt's just a portable one01:53
DaSkreechIt was made for the express purpose of going after IE01:53
hasan_ok i ve found it01:53
DaSkreechIt just happens to be built on a multi OS framework01:53
hydrogenit was made as a lightweight alternative to the mozilal suite01:53
hydrogenit happened to fail at that goal01:53
sub[t] rnlhasan_: settings tab -> apearance -> system tray01:54
ChousukeBut compared to how it works on Windows, Firefox works like crap on other OSes01:54
hasan_do i have to remove this symbolic link from Autostart ?01:54
hydrogenso it decided that taking down IE was a bit more attainable01:54
hydrogeneveryone should just use opera01:54
DaSkreechOver the next few iterations I expect it to be A windows App wth a side project as a safari killer01:54
sub[t] rnlremove the link if you don't want it to start right away01:54
xeviousworks fine for me01:54
DaSkreechMany years from now they will look at the LInux port01:54
hydrogenwhich is simply the fastest browser extant01:54
DaSkreechhydrogen: No it was made as a focused IE kiler01:54
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hydrogenDaSkreech: incorrect01:54
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hydrogenDaSkreech: it became that when they realized it would never be lightweight01:55
DaSkreechI can go find brendan's blog on the matter01:55
hydrogenor you know.. responsive01:55
xeviousfirefox was launched as mozilla trimmed down to just the browser01:55
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DaSkreechand thunderbird as just the mail01:55
DaSkreechand screw everythign else i know01:55
DaSkreech AmyRose yo!01:55
hydrogenuse opera, it will make you happy01:56
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sub[t] rnlheya AmyRose01:57
ugahydrogen: messy app01:57
hydrogenuga: its much smoother than anything I've seen.. the default style is an eyesore however01:58
hydrogenthats why there are others out there!01:58
ugaI mean there's too many tools visible by default01:58
xeviousis there a virtual package that installs all the basic dev tools?01:58
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ugaeasy to get lost01:58
hydrogenI have no idea what you are talking about..01:59
hydrogenxevious: build-essential01:59
xeviousthere we go01:59
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ugahydrogen: remove the opera settings and restart02:00
ugathat's what I'm talking about02:00
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ugait's like trying to find a needle in a 2x2km wide beach02:01
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ugahydrogen: btw, opera on x64 isn't too nice yet02:06
ugayou have to get the statically linked qt, and that won't load your qt styles02:06
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DaSkreechopera is qt4 right?02:07
ugawhich ... means... you'll get a nice win95-like widget set02:07
ugaDaSkreech: qt302:07
ugaDaSkreech: /usr/lib/opera/9.23-20070809.6/opera: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS6402:07
ugathat's from the shared library version02:07
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uganot sure if statically linked qt4 apps can use system styles...02:12
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adz21ci don't believe they can02:13
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nosrednaekimI don't think so..02:14
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sea4everHello, I want to know, how do I set up something to run on startup? Like adding it to the "startup" folder in windows ?02:16
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NickPrestasea4ever, ~/.kde/Autostart02:17
saizaiI have a problem... I get the KDE login prompt on boot, but on login, shows just one konsole and the default desktop background (no kicker etc). If I do ctrl-alt-f2, kill that previous kde session and run "startx -- :0" then it logs me in and works. How can I fix/debug this?02:17
nosrednaekimsea4ever: get the kcontrol module "autostart"02:18
nosrednaekimsaizai: you have to change you session from "failsafe" to "KDE"02:18
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nosrednaekimsaizai: in the login manager02:18
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ubotuTo make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.02:18
ugawell, the directory is also configureable, under kcontrol->system administration->paths02:19
ugaso it's not necessarily under .kde/Autostart02:19
saizainosrednaekim, I think I've tried doing that02:19
saizaibut will doublecheck02:19
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nosrednaekimsaizai: you've clicked the little "list" button, gone to sessions, and selected KDE?02:20
nosrednaekimhumm... any error messages on that failsafe screen?02:20
saizaiI can give startup logs, that's about it02:21
nosrednaekimBluesKaj: ahh... I can't wait for this month's ATI drivers02:21
saizaiand the ps faxw output02:22
nosrednaekimsaizai: try reinstalling KDM02:22
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newsense07got a computer running kubuntu that was running ok for a while now all of a sudden it runs very sluggish so i reinstalled kubuntu and have the same problem, any suggestions?02:22
newsense07bad hdd ?02:22
nosrednaekimnewsense07: maybe bad RAM.02:24
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newsense07nosrednaekim: whats the best way to test this ?02:24
newsense07nosrednaekim: will memtest86 report bad ram ?02:24
saizainosrednaekim, does having just done apt-upgrade with a new KDE version count? :-P02:24
nosrednaekimnewsense07: the liveCD has a memtest86 on it..02:25
nosrednaekimsaizai: is that when it started happening?02:25
newsense07nosrednaekim: 550mhz thinkpad i got wont boot live cd02:25
newsense07nosrednaekim: had to use alt cd02:25
saizainosrednaekim, heh, no. started a week or two ago02:25
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nosrednaekimnewsense07: I think the mem-tester is also on the grub boot menu.02:25
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nosrednaekimsaizai: i'd file a bug.02:26
hdevalencehow do I make gtk apps not look really ugly?02:26
hdevalenceon my old box I had ubuntu and then installed kde and they looked fine02:27
newsense07nosrednaekim: thanks, i think im gonna run it and see what it syas, do you know if the output is pretty straightforward, not a cryptic output kind as  person02:27
nosrednaekimhdevalence: just a sec02:27
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uganewsense07: I'm thinking it may be that the cpu heats up?02:27
nosrednaekimnewsense07: if nothing appears in the errors box, you are good, if stuff does, you have bad memory. let it run for about a half-hour02:28
uganewsense07: check if the heatsink is still in place02:28
newsense07uga: this 500 is cooling this laptop down if anything lol02:28
nosrednaekimhdevalence: open kcontrol, go to appearance, GTKthemes, and say "apply kde theme to gtk apps" then restart KDE02:28
uganewsense07: uh? what's 500, the refrigerator model no?02:29
newsense07uga: hope i dont have to go that far, ibm has sealed this thinkpad up pretty good, tried to open it up once before02:29
newsense07uga: lmao02:29
uganewsense07: its' the way I ditched my previous motherboard. It's not fun =)02:29
newsense07uga: sorry 550mhz02:29
hdevalencenosrednaekim: But how do I get the GTK apps to look normal, as they would if I were using GNOME?02:31
nosrednaekimhdevalence: hmm not sure.. but they look great applying the KDE themes to them.02:31
newsense07hdevalence: gtk themes ?02:32
voidusis there a set of fonts for KDE? standart ones are ugly02:32
hdevalencenewsense07: where do I get those?02:32
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newsense07hdevalence: http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/923/02:33
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newsense07hdevalence: maybe art.gnome.org or google gtk themes02:34
uganewsense07: do you see anything under /proc/cpuinfo ?02:34
ugastepping or so02:34
ugaoh wait... uh... 550?02:34
ugathose didn't know anything about stepping yet ;)02:34
ugathey just slowed down when hot, iirc02:34
saizai...... I feel so stupid now. It *was* set to failsafe. :-(02:35
newsense07uga:stepping 302:35
nosrednaekimsaizai: lol02:35
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saizaisrsly the logs should say something about that02:36
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saizaiI kept looking through it trying to figure out wtf was going wrong02:36
saizaiand couldn't find anything02:36
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saizaiah well. Thank you for pointing out the obvious, nosrednaekim. :-)02:37
newsense07uga: i want to say its a possible hdd problem, but have no evidence to back it up but seems to be slowest when mounting or accessing files02:37
saizainow i can actually suspend and not just shut down. :-P02:37
uganewsense07: did you check the disk with hdparm?02:37
newsense07uga: i could be totally wrong though, im no hardware wirard but i dabble02:37
ugadma  enabled?02:37
newsense07uga: no sorry, i should though02:37
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Doctor_Nickhow do i upgrade wine to the latest version02:38
Doctor_Nickdo i have to download the packages myself?02:38
ubotuWINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.02:38
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nosrednaekimDoctor_Nick: no.. there is a separate repository02:39
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Doctor_Nickis that the deal with most bleeding edge updates?02:39
newsense07uga: nothing related about dma from hdparm output02:39
nosrednaekimDoctor_Nick: yeah.02:40
Doctor_Nickwill this bone my system when i upgrade to feisty?02:40
nosrednaekimDoctor_Nick: no, shouldn't.02:41
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nosrednaekimDoctor_Nick: diable the repository first though is it makes you feel better02:41
uganewsense07: heh, a few  mins back I got shocked when I saw my cpu was running at 1596MHz, according to proc/cpuinfo... I had forgotten about acpi-cpufreq =)02:41
ugathe cpu is 2.4GHz...02:41
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BluesKajuga , running in on-demand mode02:42
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ugaBluesKaj: yup02:42
uganewsense07: strange... same happens to me... hdparm used to show something like: using_dma    =  1 (on)02:42
uganot on this box02:42
newsense07uga: is 3 not good ?02:42
newsense07uga: im not sure what the option does exactly02:43
uganewsense07: afaik that's a cpu feature, rather than current status02:43
ugaie, not the level, but the number of levels02:43
uganewsense07: try cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU1/throttling02:44
ugaif the cpu allows throttling, you'd better be running at T002:44
ugaie, no throttling (slowing down)02:44
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newsense07uga:let me check, thanks02:45
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ugathere's some sort of power control on /proc/acpi/processor/CPU1/power , but I don't know how it works02:45
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BluesKajcpufreq-info , will give the output02:45
stdinuga: puts the cpu to sleep for a certain percentage of time02:45
ugaBluesKaj: no such command here. Maybe I'm missing some acpi tools?02:46
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ugastdin: ah, thanks02:46
sea4everErhm, can I make something autostart with an argument?02:46
BluesKajyeah frequtils , I think02:46
newsense07uga: got no /proc/acpi/ dir02:46
sea4everLike say konversation --server irc.dal.net blah blah, How would I set that up?02:47
uganewsense07: weird. Maybe you disabled acpi on bootup?02:47
newsense07uga: 99 bios no acpi support02:47
newsense07uga: err 98 i think even02:47
ugaoh well... not sure if apm can do similar stuff02:47
grulIs there a way (using only the command line interface) to see which packages i have installed using aptitude?02:48
newsense07uga: thanks for your help, i think im on the right track now02:48
BluesKajuga,  install cpufrequtils02:48
ugaBluesKaj: cheers02:48
newsense07uga: thanks for your help, i gotta keep digging, i hope its a mem stick or hdd thats bad though02:48
nosrednaekimsea4ever: yeah, you can, look at them entry in ~/,kde/Autostart (should be a .desktop)change the command to be the one you want02:49
ugauhm... I hope he finds it out too02:49
stdingrul: use aptitude with no arguments to get a UI, or just do "dpkg -l"02:49
grulstdin, thanks02:49
sea4everThere is nothing in the Autostart foler02:50
stdinsea4ever: so add a link there02:51
ugaBluesKaj: uhm... this is weird:02:51
ugaanalyzing CPU 3:02:51
uga  driver: acpi-cpufreq02:51
uga  CPUs which need to switch frequency at the same time: 302:51
ugawhy on earth would 3 modules need to be changed freq at the same time02:51
ugafor the first core, it claims just 0 cpus would need to be changed02:52
ugafor the second, 1 cpu...02:52
ugafor the 3rd, 2cpus...02:52
ugaI think it's broken ;)02:52
ugaBluesKaj: ah, sorry, I understand02:53
ugait's the cpu number, not the number of cpus02:53
ugaie, itself02:53
ugaanyway, somebody gotta improve on this output. At 4 cpus it's already a lot of info to read. When 8 core cpus turn up next year, it'll be useless ;)02:54
Doctor_Nickcant wait until 80 core cpus02:54
Doctor_Nickthen my computer will go really fast :P02:55
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ugaI'm pretty sure we'll see 8 next year02:55
Doctor_Nick*curls up in a corner sobbing*02:55
ugaDoctor_Nick: it helps for developers though =)02:55
ugamake -j8 ;))02:55
ugaand some photography apps do nicely on multithreading02:56
ugabibble is nice for example02:56
stdinwith 8 core, you can do "make -j16" actually :)02:56
uga2 builds per core?02:56
Doctor_Nickuga: yeah, but most applications simply dont do multithreading and most programmers suck at it :P02:56
stdinyeah, "make" does 2 jobs as standard02:56
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ugastdin: I thought one had to issue -j2 for that...02:57
ugathe manpage doesn't mention anything02:58
stdinuga: kinda depends, but it's normally 202:58
ugainteresting though: "If the -j option is given without an argument, make will not limit the number of jobs that can run  simultaneously." =)02:58
stdinautotools can set that too02:58
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ugastdin: I had to manually specify -j2 for my builds in the past. And actually that can change outputs sometimes02:59
ugaright now I build at -j402:59
ugaand see 4 cpus being used at 99% almost fulltime02:59
stdinuga: when I do "make" I see make run 2 simultaneous jobs02:59
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Doctor_Nickuga: you mean different checksums for files03:00
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ugastdin: uhm, okay03:01
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stdin!away > lovre`afk03:02
ugaDoctor_Nick: different error outputs, I believe03:02
ugaie, messages given by cmake etc03:02
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Doctor_NickI could see that03:02
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hdevalenceArk won't start. When I launch from a terminal it gives me: ERROR: Communication problem with ark, it probably crashed.03:05
ugahdevalence: you could try removing ark's configuration files, just in case: rm .kde/share/config/arkrc03:07
ugahdevalence: are you opening it by just typing "ark" or with some parameters?03:07
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hdevalenceuga: just ark03:09
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hdevalenceremoving the configs doesn't help03:10
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ugahdevalence: I wonder if any debug info can be seen on kubuntu if run under gdb. Possibly all debug symbols will have been removed...03:11
ugayou could still try "gdb ark"03:11
ugathen type in "run"03:11
ugaand when it crashes, type "bt" to get a backtrace03:11
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ugahi there genii03:11
ugauhm... it's ... argh, late03:12
ugagotta go to bed. Gnight guys03:12
hdevalenceit says No stack.03:12
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uga|awayhdevalence: uhm... no luck =(03:12
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uga|awayhdevalence: heh, before I go, another option is running it under strace/ltrace. it may help if it's having trouble with accessing files03:14
uga|awaylike "strace ark" and see last messages03:14
uga|awaygnight now03:14
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nosrednaekimhey superdude243503:16
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judgeni get some strange error when using apt-get. it tells me that all fonts fail to write to cache03:30
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Doctor_Nickjust my luck03:33
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Doctor_Nickwine 9.46 breaks hl203:33
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!03:34
judgenany help on my font issue?03:34
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ubotuThe Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org03:36
nosrednaekimbug #103:36
vipulno sound is coming any help03:37
vipulsound card dectected03:38
nosrednaekimvipul: switch to alsa in system settings->sound->hardware03:38
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claudemirhi guys03:39
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nosrednaekimhi claudemir03:40
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claudemirI need help with traffic controll p2p03:40
vipulif then no sound03:40
DaSkreechjudgen: What error?03:40
vipulwhere 2 select alsa03:41
nosrednaekimvipul: are you in the hardware tab in sound?03:41
nosrednaekimits the first drop-down menu...select "advanced linux sound architecture" off of there03:42
vipulsystem / preference/sound03:42
nosrednaekimits called "audio device"03:43
vipulthere 2 option 1) HDA nvidia alsa mixer 2) realtek alc861-vd (ossmixer)03:45
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nosrednaekimvipul: choose the first03:49
judgenDaSkreech: i found the error to be that the font folders was newer than that of the version of the system03:49
judgeni just did a retouch of the folders, and now it works03:49
DaSkreechjudgen: read up on man touch03:49
DaSkreech Oh03:49
DaSkreech damn :-) Smart users03:49
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vipuldone & tested but still not working03:50
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nosrednaekimvipul: put all values in kmix to high...03:50
nosrednaekimand unmute.03:51
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Dragnslcrvipul- you may need to check alsamixer as well, especially if you're using digital output03:52
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vipulok thanks i will check it right now gtg03:53
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evjunior09So im not good with GIMP, but im great with photoshop. on this website it shows i can use it with WINE, how do i go about downloading Photoshop?03:55
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stdingo to adobe.com and get it maybe03:56
nosrednaekimevjunior09: unless you have it installed on windows... that would be illegal03:56
nosrednaekimstdin: lol03:56
evjunior09Well i honestly couldnt care less.03:56
stdinevjunior09: well we do care :)03:56
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stdinor at least I do, and that's all that counts03:57
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about pirate - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:57
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about pirating - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:57
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ubotupiracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o03:57
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JucatoI do care. and as far as channel policy is concerned it matters03:57
nosrednaekimubotu: is so naive03:57
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about is so naive - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:57
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evjunior09What about GIMPshop...is that like, just like Photoshop?03:57
ScorpKingthanks nosrednaekim03:58
evjunior09because i hate GIMP,03:58
nosrednaekimevjunior09: not exactly... but closer03:58
Jucatono, it's just the GIMP modified to look/behave like Photoshop03:58
Jucatoit's still the GIMP03:58
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Jucatoyou can try out Krita if you want. Then there's also Pixel (but not in the repos) I think03:59
evjunior09So should i even bother downloading it?03:59
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evjunior09Krita isn't as good as photoshop.03:59
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DaSkreechJucato!! My Man04:02
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Jucatorawr!!! that was annoying!!! :(04:02
heroJucato: what was?04:02
Jucatofor no reason at all, my X just restarted :(04:02
nosrednaekimJucato: do you have an Nvidia?04:03
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Les_Caesarsdoes anybody know how to change the recent history limit on kickoff?04:03
nosrednaekimJucato: that happened to my bro yesterday... he lost like 2 hours of work.04:03
JucatoI'm on gutsy though..is he too?04:03
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nosrednaekimis that a new factoid?04:04
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nosrednaekimhey Aresilek04:05
stdinnosrednaekim: it's short for offtopic4offtopic04:05
nosrednaekimI was wondering.04:05
DaSkreechsoo we can't talk about sabdfl's life?04:05
Aresilekis it possible to connect to a wired network and wireless network at the same time in kubuntu?04:05
geniiAresilek: Yes04:05
JucatoDaSkreech: no. cause that will be offtopic in here :)04:06
Aresilekgenii: Can you tell me how?04:06
DaSkreechI meant in -offtopic04:06
Aresilekwhen i connect to one it disconects the other04:06
JucatoDaSkreech: sure. go ahead04:06
geniiAresilek: Much depends on the topology of your networks04:06
nosrednaekimAresilek: you can't use knetworkmanager though.04:07
DaSkreechyeah Jucato it's offtopic for offtopic04:07
heroso is offtopic a big rule here?04:07
nosrednaekimhero: no ;)04:08
geniihero: Depends how busy04:08
DaSkreechhero: no Just oft invoked04:08
Jucatonosrednaekim: you sure? :)04:08
heroanyone watch bionic woman tonight? hehe, j/k04:08
DaSkreechthat's offtopic :)04:08
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heroi'm joking04:08
nosrednaekimofftopic for the purpose of offtopic is not looked kindly upon.04:08
DaSkreechThat's off topic too :)04:08
heroanyone know konversation checks lag?04:08
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about joking - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:08
nosrednaekimhero: yup.04:08
heroit says i have 615 ms lag, but it feels real time04:08
nosrednaekimubotu is like spock..04:08
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about is like spock.. - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:08
dthackersee. ubotu has no sense of humor04:09
heroand i've had connection problems just with freenode tonight04:09
Jucatohero: 615ms = 0.6 secons04:09
DaSkreechhero: you notice millisecond lag?04:09
Aresileknosrednaekim: i see... :-S04:09
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ScorpKinghero: you're lucky. i get 15s sometimes. lol04:09
nosrednaekimAresilek: you have to manually configure it.04:09
DaSkreechI've had a fewminutes before04:09
heroso it's freenode04:09
Aresilekhow else do u connect to networks apart from knet...?04:09
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nosrednaekimAresilek: from the command line.04:09
Aresileknosrednaekim: is that hard?04:09
Jucatohero: you consider half a second a lag to be worried about? O.o04:09
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herono, but i noticed it took forever to change nicks and all that04:10
nosrednaekimAresilek:  not really, but setting which one you want to be default and stuff like that can be.04:10
heroand join channels04:10
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heroanyway, i'm here.04:10
stdinhero: it does when you first connect because the client has to sync all the channels04:10
Jucatohero: I believe that's a different matter altogether.04:10
herostdin: hmm, it works faster with xchat than konversation, then04:11
stdinbut xchat is ugly04:11
geniiAresilek: The main issue is that you can have normally only 1 default gateway so the system always wants to look there first for instance04:11
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Aresilekgenii: i see04:13
Aresilekwhat if i just want to connect to see if i can?04:13
ubotuInformation about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php04:14
geniiAresilek: Whatever adapter currently registers as eth0 becomes the default gateway.so if you wanted to have 1 adapter for internet then a second on an internal lan, best to make eth0 adapter for the internet04:14
Aresilekoh ok04:16
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geniiAresilek: Mostly the command line stuff used for the network adapters are: ifup ifdown and ifconfig   There are also config files in /etc/network04:18
Aresilekgenii: ok, still sounds significantly harder04:19
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geniiAresilek: You can read the manpages for these commands to discover how to use them by: man<command>   eg: man ifup    or so04:19
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DaSkreechcan you do passwordless ftp login?04:19
geniiDaSkreech: I used to do this with proftp but we had fixed IPs for that04:20
DaSkreechfrom the command line04:20
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geniiDaSkreech: You mean from client, do equiv of   ftp://username:password@domain    ?04:21
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DaSkreechman netrc04:22
ScorpKingDaSkreech: just make a script for ftp login.04:23
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DaSkreechthat's what I'm up to04:24
DaSkreechbut ftp is an interactive program04:24
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DaSkreechMuwahahaha. power is mine04:28
DaSkreechgetting to that strange point in time04:28
geniiDaSkreech: ftp switch -i disables interactive prompting04:28
ScorpKingcan a script authenticate the session and then hand over to bash?04:29
DaSkreechYeah but I still need to tell it what to do to get it to prompt04:29
DaSkreechScorpKing: Yup04:29
DaSkreechHEREDOC :)04:29
ScorpKingmaybe run it from the script then. hehe, i'm no pro04:30
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sjr_How do I change the resolution of KDM when Kubuntu starts up the 'Kubuntu way'?04:31
DaSkreechJucato: just confirming that there is no GUI way to swap res in kubuntu currently ?04:32
Jucatoto swap KDM res specifically? no04:32
Jucatojust the desktop res? displayconfig04:33
sjr_So editing X11config04:33
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Jucatoafaik, KDM uses the first resolution  listed in the default depth of xorg.conf04:34
geniiDaSkreech: You know of ctrl-alt then numpad + and - to cycle resolutions, yes?04:34
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DaSkreechgenii: Not in Gutsy I dont04:34
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geniiDaSkreech: I'm in gutsy and just tested this. It works here. Been standard for a while in X04:36
LegaI use Amarok for my music, and recently whenever I double-click or press the play button to play a file (or, in this case, start a radio stream) Amarok simply crashes. It locks up, and I have to terminate it. Anyone have any idea as to why this could be? It has been working just fine for me up until now...04:36
DaSkreechgenii: I know but in gutsy i have no keys04:36
DaSkreech Printscreen Alt+ctrl+ + etc none of it works04:36
DaSkreechVT jumping works04:36
DaSkreechsaved my butt last night :)04:37
DaSkreechgenii: No clue why04:37
geniiDaSkreech: Scary04:37
DaSkreechLega: try running it from the command line. It will give you crash output04:37
DaSkreechgenii: Yeah I'm going to wait for a few more updates to see if anything changes04:38
Jucatome on the other hand, have foobar'd any kernel higher than -12 :(04:38
LegaDaSkreech: K. Thanks.04:39
geniiDaSkreech: Well, if it's some keyboard layout mess, you could use the trusty dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to specify something gerically sane like a 105 or such. but of course then you need to set all the other crap too04:39
DaSkreechgenii: I checked my global KDE keyboard stuff and it's blank04:40
geniiJucato: I'm running -14 right now, went from -11. Seems fairly stable04:40
tulelega- i've had some weird stuff happen with Amarok too. Especially with streams. I find that I cant drag a Shoutcast stream into the play window then click on it to play, but I can double click on it from the Shoutcast list and it plays fine. go figure..04:40
DaSkreechJucato: -12 messes my system up something annoying04:40
DaSkreechEverytime I look at the time it freezes hard04:40
Jucatogenii: yeah I kinda realized it was just on my desktop. laptop works fine04:40
DaSkreechwell not everytime04:41
DaSkreechbut enough to be noticable04:41
DaSkreechtule: if you drag it then click it then click it again it works04:41
DaSkreechNo clue04:41
Legahttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40228/ <-- That was the... output, I guess? When I ran it in the terminal, but after it crashed it didn't push anything else.04:42
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LegaI'm guessing it has to do with those last 4 lines. Lines 23-26.04:43
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DaSkreechyou changed your keyboard shortcuts?04:43
LegaBut I'm still largely a Lin00b, so I have no idea.04:43
LegaMmm, not to my knowledge, no.04:43
tulelega- i've not seen that. no clue.04:44
LegaWierd, but next to my play/pause it has the hotkey shortcut as "XF86AudioPause."04:45
DaSkreechLega: random music?04:45
LegaIt has never said that before.04:45
LegaYeah, random music.04:45
DaSkreechWorks in other stuff?04:45
LegaWhat works in other stuff, now?04:45
tuleDaSkreech- you're right on the drag, click once. seems to me that used to crash it. good now.04:46
DaSkreechthe music. does it work in other players?04:46
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DaSkreechtule: No clue why it does that04:46
tuleLega- i had issues trying to play .mp3s at one time. i believe you need to tell Amarok what types of music it can play in a configuration setting somewhere.04:47
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ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats04:48
LegaWell, I'm not trying to play .mp3s at the moment- I'm trying to stream radio. Specifically... Cool-Streams.04:48
DaSkreechmp3 :)04:48
LegaIs it?04:49
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DaSkreechI think so04:49
LegaYep, you would be right.04:49
LegaI always thought that most radios used a different format for streaming- turns out I was mistaken. ^^;;04:50
tuleDaSkreech- yah.. 99% of my stuff is .ogg, but a few ahem.. borrowed tracks are mp3s..04:50
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weswh-do you guys know where the latest / trusted package of kickoff would be?04:51
weswh-and has anyone used it? it looked cool on the new opensuse screenshots...04:51
NickPrestaweswh-, I use Kickoff. Version 1 from trevino's repo04:52
weswh-any idea how up to date that is with what opensuse put out?04:52
weswh-and do you like it?04:52
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ScuniziHow do I edit the K menu structure?05:37
DaSkreechScunizi: Right click it05:38
ScuniziToo easy :)05:38
geniiYes. Then choose "Menu Editor"05:38
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geniiIf you want to do it the hard way, see: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/Edit_the_Global_KDE_Menu_Items_from_a_console_for_SUSE_Linux05:39
DaSkreechScunizi: Wow Most people complain about it being too round about :)05:39
geniiTho it it suse-centric, files are in same spot, etc05:40
tzangerIs it possible to get the shell to dump corefiles in a core.### format, where ### is the PID of the app that crashed?05:40
ScuniziDaSkreech: naw.. I've been in gnome for the last year and decided to look at the kde interface.. It feels foreign, faster and fun but I find myself not being as productive.05:40
tzangerulimit -c just creates 'core'05:41
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Jucatogenii: it also kinda advocates doing that in a root-owned directory... which shouldn't be if it's user-specific...05:42
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geniiJucato: Well, he asked :)05:43
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Jucatoand you answered :)05:43
Jucatojust being Mr. Obvious :)05:43
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Jucatohm... at noon... hm... :)05:44
Jucatothanks anyway  :)05:44
geniiJucato: Ah, OK... 11:30-ishPM here05:44
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Jucato+12hours :)05:45
Jucato(yes I'm living in the future!!05:45
geniiYou martian05:45
Jucatosorry I'm Jovian :P05:46
Jucatoanyway.. !ot to myself05:46
genii(in FreeBSD if you are installing something dated in future it comments extensively about martians)05:46
DaSkreechhi leileilol05:47
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DaSkreechgenii: Ha ha I'm a martian :)05:47
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leileilolkubuntu is cool :D but i'm on xp right now because of my C:\ habits :(05:47
leileilolis there a possible way to make D:\, E:\'s and F:\'s in linux so i don't have to type out /mediaTAB/sda3TAB each time?05:48
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DaSkreechleileilol: Fine as long as you bathe afterwards05:48
DaSkreechleileilol: You know you can make CDPATH shortcuts for those05:48
leileilolmy tablet doesn't seem to be supported under linux, can't have pressure sensitivity05:48
DaSkreechSo yes :)05:48
leileiloland my tv card (ENLTV-FM) is also unsupported05:48
leileilolthat with the drive thing, those are my only cons  with linux05:48
leileilolonly cons ever05:48
leileilolthat doesn't mean linux sucks though. i'm an ati user05:49
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leileiloli just happen to buy too budget parts :S05:49
leileilolof obscure brands05:49
leileilollike genius and encore05:49
geniiDaSkreech: "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at mba4.org."05:50
leileilolx850gt rocks in latest fglrx05:50
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leileilolhttp://openarena.ws/crap/bench2.txt my tests :P05:50
geniiDaSkreech: However, www.mba4.org works ;)05:50
DaSkreechright :)05:51
DaSkreechhttp://www.mba4.org /who.php05:51
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geniiDaSkreech: :)05:52
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about statistics - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:17
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about openstat - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:18
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about spss - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:18
DaSkreechhero: Woah06:18
ubotuPlease investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...06:18
heroyeah, i figured you'd tell me that06:18
herogood job!06:18
DaSkreechWe can tolerate three :)06:18
DaSkreechMuch more than that is really distrating06:18
heroso are there any good multiple regression analysis products in repos?06:18
heroi did three :)06:19
sparrthis error in a standard-ish autogen script has me stumped, and is leading to failures.  any insight?  aclocal:configure.in:12: warning: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library06:19
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heroi do love how enforcing the rules eclipse helping people out :)06:20
=== genii thinks about martians
DaSkreechgenii: Your favourite martian?06:21
geniiDaSkreech: Since yer the only one I know so far i guess that makes you the one06:21
Dr_willisHot Martian Chicks!06:21
DaSkreechI have those too06:22
DaSkreechI mean06:22
DaSkreechWhat martians? that's a rumour! they don't exist!06:22
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Dr_willisthats what the Alantians want you to belive...06:22
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geniiDr_willis: I want lead foil, the tin doesn't keep enough out06:23
DaSkreechapt-get remove tinfoil-hat06:23
DaSkreechERROR: Saftey precaution override needs super root user06:24
ubunturosdoes the apt-archives have a limited size to store downloaded packages? (is there a rule defined?)06:24
stdinubunturos: 500MB I think06:25
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stdinthe file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20archive should define it06:26
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DaSkreechhero: searched for stats in adept ?06:27
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ubunturosstdin:ok, I'll check that out06:27
ubunturosstdin: ah, thanks. Found it06:28
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ubunturoswhen, I use -d option, will dependencies of a package, be downloaded as well?06:32
ubunturos(with apt-get)06:32
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scheater6ubunturos: the dependencies of a package will be downloaded by default apt-get.06:44
scheater6no need for an option06:44
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ubotuSi busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.06:50
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prakdoes anyone know when would free ubuntu gutsy cds start shipping?06:58
stdinprak: probably after the release06:58
prakstdin: typically how long after the release or is it on the website?06:58
stdinthey'll probably start taking orders on the release day06:59
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Jucatoactually shipit is open now07:00
_aaaHave toshiba PDA, is it possible to sync with a Linux OS07:01
stdinJucato: yeah, just checked that :p07:01
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ardchoilleprak: You can order free Gutsy cd's from shipit, but they won't ship until Guts final is actually released.07:10
stdin*until gutsy's releases and then the CDs get pressed then sent around the world a few times07:10
Jucatoof course. they can't ship a CD that hasn't been made  yet right? :)07:11
ardchoillestdin: Yes, good point07:11
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ardchoilleJucato: True, but I sat there for a minute wondering if they were shipping the beta cd's07:11
Jucatohahah! :)07:11
Jucatoof course not. they ship RCs :)07:12
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ardchoillestdin: What special offer?07:17
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stdinyeah, the special offer to special people :) for 10 Kubuntu CDs (8 PC Edition, 2 64-bit PC Edition)07:17
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ardchoilleI ordered two cd's.. one for me, one for the gf.07:18
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prakthanks, ardchoille07:23
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SmokiiHum, anyone familiriar with proftpd?07:24
SmokiiMy laptop is behind dyndns, and I'm not quite sure where and how I should inform proftpd of that :p07:25
SmokiiNow I'm at least getting an error saying it can't determine the ip07:25
Smokii- warning: unable to determine IP address of 'justiina' - error: no valid servers configured - Fatal: error processing configuration file '/etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf'07:25
stdinuse a fqdn07:26
SmokiiSoz, noob... what do you mean ?:D07:27
stdinfully qualified domain name, like a host.domain.com name07:27
SmokiiHaven't got one... I'm just putting the ftp up for my own use mostly07:28
SmokiiWell not sure what's fully qualified, but the dyndns domains don't qualify or what ?07:28
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stdinSmokii: it want to know what IP to bind to, so it needs a host that's either in /etc/hosts or one that can be found from DNS servers07:30
uga|awaystdin: thanks for warning previously07:30
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uga|awaystdin: I love being kicked for no good reason. So bye.07:30
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Smokiistdin: in what form does the address need to be in /etc/hosts ?07:34
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SmokiiI've got my justiina.sytes.net under localhost07:34
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stdinSmokii: not sure, never messed with proftpd, I've just seen similar messages before07:35
stdinSmokii: I'm behind a router too, so I always know my IP07:35
SmokiiOk, I'll google from here but thanks :)07:36
SmokiiYeah :] 07:36
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deejaysomeone pm me...im a noob07:46
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stdinhelps if you ask your question07:47
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Broc93hi all.07:47
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deejayjust chillin....can discuss sum technical things07:48
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Broc93Jucato: no, I've finished my tests lol07:48
Jucatoas long as they're related to Kubuntu07:48
deejayyeah..that's the thing...i don't really have questions to ask...i'm just lookin for sumone to chill with on my ps307:49
Daisuke_Laptopthen you're in the wrong place07:50
deejaycold nuggetz07:50
Daisuke_Laptopthis is #kubuntu not #ps3  they sound *nothing* alike07:50
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!07:50
Jucatothat would be the place07:50
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robbythis isn't the ps3 channel?07:51
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robbyhas anyone had any usues with k3b burning a dvd data disc really slowly?07:52
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robbysometimes it burns max speed and sometimes it burns 1x07:52
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robby16x is the max speed07:52
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robbyguess it's my hardware07:53
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benny_yo?  anyone know how to turn off the "has joined/left" messages in Konversation?08:02
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Jucatobenny_: Setitngs -> Configure Konversation -> Behavior -> Chat Window08:03
spa_lightIs anyone else experiencing problems with the ubuntu homepage? To me It looks like they have no CSS in place.08:04
benny_sweet.. thx jucato!!! I'm an IRC noob.. how do you have the nick in front of your messages?08:05
ubotuYou can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.08:05
spa_lightbenny_: You type it.08:05
benny_ubotu: Awesome!!08:05
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about awesome!! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi08:05
Jucatobenny_: start typing the nick then press tab08:05
Jucato!thanks | benny_08:06
ubotubenny_: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)08:06
benny_impressive bot.. I'd like to see that code.08:06
Jucatoit's a supybot I think08:06
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots08:06
stdinsupybot plugins (that make ubotu) on the link ^08:07
benny_jezz.. now it's just yanking my chain.08:07
Jucatospa_light: I can't even access ubuntu.com08:07
emilsedghJucato: what was that site which was giving the list of dependencies of a package (someone wants to dl some packages and then take it to another machine)08:07
Jucatokubuntu.org is upyay :)08:07
stdinemilsedgh: you can do that, or just "apt-get --print-uris install <package>" if you want a simple life08:08
emilsedghgh, i know packages.ubuntu, but there was another site that i cnt remember08:08
ubotuAPTonCD is a tool with a graphical interface which allows you to create one or more CDs or DVDs with all of the packages you've downloaded via apt-get or aptitude, creating a removable repository that you can use on other computers08:09
Jucatothat one?08:09
spa_lightJucato: What do you mean, you cannot access the site?08:09
Jucatospa_light: www.ubuntu.com gives me errors right now08:09
spa_lightJucato: Ah, so I am not the only one ...08:10
Jucatook back up now08:10
Jucatoit's back up08:10
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stdinsomething strange, http://www.ubuntu.com/ in firefox works (now) but konqueror seems to be redirected to http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/accessibility08:10
stdinand now it's back but with no formatting...08:11
Jucatoeverythign's ok now on my end08:11
spa_lightstdin: It does not work for me in either firefox or konqueror. No errors, just a totally screwed up page layout. It is unbrowsable that way.08:11
stdinjust started working08:11
stdinlooks like someone just tripped over the power cable or something :p08:12
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tuxdneed help installing DVD setting08:13
benny_so how soon after 7.10 is released will there be a kubuntu release?08:13
stdinspa_light: and now it sux again08:13
stdinbenny_: exactly the same time08:13
benny_stdin: sweet.08:14
martin_Hi, ... I have a problem with kontact configuration. Altought I have entered all the info I have about my mail server, Kontact refuses to send email - and does not give a visual feedback about why. Is there any logfile I can geeze at? (I tried looking at the console output, but it keeps silent)08:14
tuxdubuntu documentation says on #3 "press 'System - Preferences - Removable Drives and Media '... don't even know where that is08:14
tuxdwhere do I find "System"?08:15
martin_tuxd: in gnome. this is kubuntu, for kde08:15
stdintuxd: helps if you read the kubuntu section, not the ubuntu section08:15
tuxdstdin: OK. The link on the Kubuntu welcome page at Internet page start-up directs you to there though08:16
tuxdstdin: so where do I find Kubuntu help on this?08:16
stdinsee https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs08:16
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tuxdstdin: I'm at https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html#video-dvd, which walks you though but apparently for gnome?  I'm confused08:22
stdinyeah, that's gnome. see the link I posted for KDE08:23
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benny_ok.. so I'm an IRC noob.. and I can't spell worth crap (raised on franklin spell checker).. is there a good IRC client with inline spell checking?08:25
benny_stdin: mmm.. I'll have to look at the optiosn..  I must not have it working at the moment.. tset.08:27
emilsedghbenny_: in most KDE Applications, you could right-click on the text box and check the 'Auto Spelling'08:27
benny_emilsedgh: wow.. sweet!!!08:28
benny_this thign on!! awesome..08:29
emilsedghbenny_: whole KDE as awesome ;)08:30
benny_emilsedgh: indeed..  although kdetv doesn't work as well as I'd like, but I think it's my card.08:30
emilsedghbenny_: i hope hardware problems will be solved by KDE4 release...08:31
JucatoKDE 4 can't magically make hardware work if there aren't any proper drivers for it ;)08:32
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benny_I've used both gnome and kde extensively.. kde is richer, but gnome is more dummy proof sometimes I think.08:32
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benny_but that's a big battle isn't it.08:32
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benny_I'm personally itching to see the coolness of compiz-fusion.08:33
Gabz^laptopinstalling kubuntu without a cd-rom  any ideas ?08:33
benny_they have a network install from floppy?08:33
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germananyone up?08:33
emilsedghJucato: sure, but currently many things are not working even if there are good drivers for it, i hope solid will solve hardware issues08:33
Gabz^laptopbenny_: no floppy it's a laptop08:34
germanis there anyway of logging in witout a password08:34
germani mean starting the pc and getting in, without kubuntu asking me for my password??08:34
spa_lightgerman: yes08:34
benny_Gabz^laptop: I'm not sure you're going to find a nice way to install without a cd or floppy.08:34
Jucatogerman: try System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Login manager08:34
spa_lightgerman: But why would you want that?08:34
benny_german: embrace security.08:35
Gabz^laptopbenny_: i might have to try and unnice way...08:35
germanwell i mean. noone touches my pc08:35
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germanis there any security problem from the utside, the network if i get the aoutologin?08:35
benny_Gabz^laptop: I stayed up all night once trying to install from a flash drive.. but I know it can be done.08:36
Gabz^laptopgerman: not really the only problem is if someone steals your machine08:36
Gabz^laptopbreaks into your house and takes08:36
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germanyou mean like taking it home? or hacking in?08:36
Gabz^laptopphysical stealing08:36
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germanmost unprovable, and even then i dont think criminals know linux anyway =)08:37
benny_if they physically steal it a login won't save you unless you crypt your drive.  There are autologin options, but I've always liked the idea that a casual passer by can't get access.08:37
benny_and I've never trusted how the autologin mechanism works.. I don't understand it, so I don't use it.08:38
level1how can I prevent guidance from starting on startup?08:38
germanwell my question is, why does it says in big red font in the login manager, attention read help! ?08:39
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djuddhey guys, how can i make an irc link in konqueror launch konversation?08:39
stdingerman: because it's not recommended as it's insecure08:40
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germanwell then i keeo typing my password everytime  start my pc then =)08:41
jabbais kde4 worth a try?08:41
Jucatonot yet08:42
stdinno, not yet08:42
jabbaand cam i install it in parallel to 3.5?08:42
Jucatoecho echo echo....08:42
benny_german: at least you'll know your password well :)08:42
stdinecho 0>&108:42
germandoes anyone have a logitech keyboard and/or mpuse?08:42
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benny_german: actually in Germany?  I have a lot of co-workers in boeblegin (sp?).. I've never been able to go tho :(08:43
trprgerman: i don't think the autologin is that dangerous. if someone has physical access to your machine they can get in anyhow. its really up to you how paranoid you want to be08:43
stdinjabba: beta 3 will be nice, and you can install that along side 3.5.x, instructions will be in the topic (like they are for beta 2)08:43
jabbacan anyone tell me how to use apt (or aptitude) to show me every package in "universe/games" (for exampe)08:43
germanno i am not german or in germany, My second name is German, wich in spanish sound like Herman =)08:44
jabbanot really! german :D08:44
benny_german: haha!! wooha.. way off ey..08:45
germanwell you dont wanna know my first name then ;)08:45
level1knetworkmanager keeps mysteriously forgetting all but one or two of the mac addresses to my school, as if it couldn't handle 20 mac addresses on one essid.  I've been watching knetworkmanagerrc and trying to add the mac addresses back in, but they keep getting deleted08:45
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germanbut anyway, does anyone know how to program kubuntu to let it know i have a logitech mouse?08:46
level1german: you mean your logitech mouse isn't being recognized?08:46
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germanMy mouse works as a normal mouse08:47
germanthe same with my keyboard08:47
germanbut i got ie, a button on the mouse, a thumb button, that usually klicking it sends me to the "previous page" or "up a level"08:48
benny_german: so you want it to work abnormally :)08:48
trprbenny_: im sure he's refering to all the funky buttons logitech mice usually have08:48
germannice buttons by the way08:48
benny_mmm.. I've never tried to get the funky buttons to work.08:48
robbyi seen a mouse like that08:49
robbyhad buttons on the side where the thumb goes08:49
jabbaare export commands permanent?08:49
jabbawhich means... do they still work, if i reboot, logout and login again or whatever08:50
benny_I like to click them furiously when frustrated.. good thing they don't do anything for me.08:50
robbybenny_ lol08:50
germanfor me they, can open the emailfunction, or open a link in a new page08:50
germanhard thing to not use them after getting used08:51
benny_gesh.. next you'll want a button that reads your mind :)08:51
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robbygerman im sure there is a way to program them to work for you08:51
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germanthat would be a nice button benny-08:52
germanwell i deal with that latter08:52
Jucatojabba: no. export commands only last as long as the terminal where you ran them exists08:52
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germananyidea if kontakt works with hotmail?08:52
Jucatojabba: to make them more permanent, you have to put them in a file that gets read at startup or login08:52
Jucatogerman: only if you have pop3 in hotmail08:52
robbygerman did you check System settings -> Mouse and Keyboard?08:52
benny_I got a wireless keyboard/mouse combo.. it's got all sorts of crap on here I don't use/doesn't work..  all windoze stuff.08:53
trprthis looks promising https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto08:53
robbyhow can i get my nintendo power glove to work with linux?08:53
benny_I was surprised tho that the scroll wheels on the mouse and keyboard worked tho..08:54
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trprrobby: hehe. whats the connector on that thing anyways? im sure you'd have to write your own driver if some geek hasn't done it already08:54
sjckHey, is there a way to set the date in tray like 11-10-2007 8:50? (Its 10-11-2007 yet :/)08:54
level1is there a way to have knetworkmanager list my school's network as an availible wireless network even if there are not routers with recognized mac addresses in range?08:54
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pillowpantshow do you change passwords?08:55
robbytrpr lol probably08:55
level1pillowpants: systemsettings>users08:55
benny_pillowpants: passwd08:55
benny_in terminall.. I'm old school.08:55
Gabz^laptoplevel1: why would you want knetworkmanager to lie to you ?08:56
level1pillowpants: my mistake, its under "about me"08:56
jabbarobby http://www.zerosign.net/index.php/powerglove-mouse/08:56
robbyjabba thanks08:56
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level1Gabz^laptop: well, with the current way knetworkmanager works, I have to re-enter the essid and password every single **** time I want to connect to the internet, hardly seemless connectivity08:57
robbyjabba haha that's cool08:57
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jabbarobby: thats geeky !08:58
Gabz^laptoplevel1: right you want it to remember your settings08:58
pillowpantsas in the user password08:58
robbyjabba yes 8)08:58
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level1Gabz^laptop: its a cloaked network, so unless knetworkmanager recognizes the mac address, it can't get a ssid08:58
level1Gabz^laptop: and theres some bug in knetworkmanager that it keeps forgetting my mac addresses, theres about 20 and it can only remember about 2-3 at a time, it seems08:59
Gabz^laptoplevel1: eww... you might be out of luck...08:59
level1its indescribably annoying08:59
benny_bugs == annoying indeed.09:00
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level1Gabz^laptop: actually, I'm just going to cp the **** correct knetworkmanagerrc until knetworkmanager gets the point09:00
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pillowpantspasswd did that job, thanks09:01
pillowpantscan i ask why ubuntu has no root user?09:01
pillowpantswhats the difference09:01
benny_pillowpants: woo hoo!!! terminal rules!!09:01
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pillowpantsbenny_ : yes it does09:01
level1pillowpants: it does, its just not recomended that it be used09:01
Gabz^laptopknetworkmanager stores it's passwords and network keys in kwallet09:01
level1Gabz^laptop: thats not the problem09:02
pillowpantslevel1 : i know, but why not?09:02
iuhow can i locate grub config files?09:02
pillowpantsmore secure?09:02
iuor a grub gui09:02
benny_iu: which config files?09:02
iufor grub09:02
level1Gabz^laptop: its knetworkmanagerrc, I've been watching it closely, and its definately deleting my mac addresses09:02
iuto edit which OS to boot as default09:02
benny_iu: mmm.. never done that one.09:03
ubotuDo not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo09:03
iustrange, i couldnt even find grub.conf09:03
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benny_ubotu: funny bot..09:03
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about funny bot.. - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi09:03
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto09:03
level1it seems like, for security, its a good idea to change the root password to something with passwd09:03
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benny_ok.. so now I have to figure out how to blacklist ubotu.09:04
pillowpantsits helpful at times09:05
level1benny_: better than dpkg09:05
level1benny_: nothing it says ever makes sense09:05
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benny_never met dpkg.09:05
level1benny_: #debian09:06
level1btw, they don't like ubuntu09:06
benny_I could understand that.09:06
benny_those debian guys are hardcore.. I know a kernel hacker that used to use it, but switched to ubuntu.. oops.09:07
level1well, debian is less buggy that ubuntu, in my expirience, but I wish it had a few of the basic features that ubuntu has, they're irreplacible... so its a tradeoff09:07
Jucatolevel1: depends on which version of debian you are referring to09:08
level1Jucato: I used lenny09:08
JucatoI doubt Sid would be more stable than gutsy at this point.09:08
benny_I'm a bells and wistles kinda geek..  I'm itchin to try compiz-fusion.09:08
level1gutsy would be the best OS I ever used, if it weren't for this stupid knetworkmanager bug09:08
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DaSkreechpillowpants: The idea is that someone doing a remote attack only knows that you have a root account09:09
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benny_wow.... DaSkreech has a lag.09:10
DaSkreechpillowpants: If the root account is disabled then they have to first guess what is the username of your first user then break the password09:10
DaSkreechI was playing frozen Bubble09:10
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DaSkreechlevel1: .7 should be better09:11
benny_I'm going to get another glass of wine.09:11
level1DaSkreech: .7?09:11
benny_then I can type really badly.09:11
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robbywould upgrading from 7.04 o 7.10 beta break my system?09:12
level1robby: unlikely, but maybe you should wait a couple weeks09:12
level1if your paranoid09:12
Jucatorobby: based on my pre-release tests, not really09:12
DaSkreechlevel1: networkmanager .709:12
robbylevel1 good idea09:12
level1DaSkreech: oh god, I hope so, I can't wait09:12
DaSkreechrobby: I'm running it now. Only slight breakage09:12
Jucatoat worst, the upgrade itself has some bumps, but nothing that will break your system09:12
DaSkreechone line fix09:12
JucatoDaSkreech has a different experience though09:13
pillowpantsDaSkreech : i guess it doesnt help that my user name is the same alias i use for everything09:13
DaSkreechStrigidaemon is the devil09:13
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level1seriously, we shouldn't have to use the command line to connect to the internet, its ridiculous09:13
level1DaSkreech: why?09:13
DaSkreechpillowpants: Maybe If they know it's you09:13
robbyJucato i'm mainly worried about the process of adept replacing all my binaries09:13
DaSkreechpillowpants: if it's a script kiddie they will have almost no chance of getting that right09:13
pillowpantsDaSkreech : isnt it possible to see what type of linux system youre using, and then know that ubuntu doesnt use root09:13
DaSkreechlevel1: Why what?09:14
DaSkreechpillowpants: Yeah for someone doing a sophisticated attack09:14
pillowpantslevel1 : using the console to get online has been helpful for me a number of times09:14
level1DaSkreech: why don't you like strigi09:14
benny_damn script kiddies.09:14
DaSkreechBut in the end if it's automated and they can't get you they will move to lower fruit09:14
DaSkreechlevel1: It's badly broken on Gutsy right now09:14
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level1pillowpants: yes, but we shouldn't have to... knetworkmanager and similar programs have the basic idea, its just they're so annoying buggy09:15
pillowpantsDaSkreech : how hard is it to attack a linux system, say you, me or anyone09:15
level1DaSkreech: seems to work okay on this side09:15
DaSkreech It tries to index a non existent file then kills the entier machine trying to get at it09:15
benny_I think script kiddies would have a hard time with default k/ubuntu install tho.09:15
pillowpantslevel1 : i agree with you there, ive shed alot of anger and irritation over knetwork manager09:15
DaSkreechpillowpants: it's never the system it's the user09:15
pillowpantsit took be endless hours to get WPA TPK to work09:15
DaSkreechlevel1: what version of strigidaemon ?09:16
level1pillowpants: I like the program, I just don't understand why its so buggy, is it ugly on the inside?09:16
pillowpantsDaSkreech : what do you mean by user? just the way they have things set up?09:16
level1usually, you can tell if a program's guts are poorly written, but knetworkmanager seems okay09:16
pillowpantsso for a typical feisty install09:16
level1DaSkreech: 0.5.609:16
pillowpantslevel1 : i mainly hate it in sabayon09:16
pillowpantsand i do love sabayon, but not having wireless for a while was so lame09:17
DaSkreechpillowpants: Greatest system in the world still needs people to login. If the password is "password" it makes no sense09:17
DaSkreechlevel1: does it index past ~/.mozilla-thunderbird ?09:17
pillowpantsDaSkreech : right09:17
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level1DaSkreech: ah, I don't have thunderbird09:17
level1kmail ftw!09:17
DaSkreechlevel1: I don't either09:17
Myrth[home] hi, how do i make konqueror default file browser instead of dolphin?09:17
DaSkreechnever installed it09:18
level1thats weird09:18
DaSkreechstrigi doesn't seem to care09:18
benny_wtf is dolphin?09:18
DaSkreechtries to index it and either segfaults or goes crazy09:18
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dolphin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi09:18
level1benny_: the new file manager for kde 4, or in this case, the kde 3 version09:18
DaSkreechAre you serious ?09:18
Myrth[home] on gutsy09:19
benny_I never use file managers.. oops09:19
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pillowpantsi just changed my pass, and ive already forgotten it09:19
DaSkreechrobby: it's the new KDE dedicated file manager09:19
DaSkreech!d3lphin | jucato :-P09:19
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about d3lphin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi09:19
Jucatotsk tsk :P09:19
DaSkreechpillowpants: \o/09:19
level1the kde 4 version is "pretty" but if it has less features than konqueror... well, don't know if want09:19
benny_I swear to god I hate bots.09:19
DaSkreechbenny_: So you don't use files?09:19
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about linus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi09:20
level1can I fix that?09:20
uboturms is Richard Matthew Stallman, founder of the GNU project. See !gnu and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman09:20
benny_DaSkreech: I user commandline.09:20
DaSkreech :)09:20
DaSkreechI win09:20
DaSkreechbenny_: And that's not a file manager ?09:20
level1if there is a rms, there should be a linus09:20
pillowpantsis it possible to reset a password?09:20
DaSkreechlevel1: I said that a long time ago09:20
pillowpantsi just changed it, then forgot09:20
DaSkreechlevel1: Write one09:20
pillowpantssurely this is a common scenario09:20
level1DaSkreech: go to #debian and type "!vrms"09:20
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DaSkreechpillowpants: No you must return the computer to the store. Muwahahahaha09:21
DaSkreech!info vrms09:21
ubotuvrms: virtual Richard M. Stallman. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.12 (feisty), package size 11 kB, installed size 108 kB09:21
benny_DaSkreech: it's a file system thank you :)09:21
pillowpantsitll come to me09:21
robbywrite a formal letter to microsoft and tell them you lost you password?09:21
DaSkreechbenny_: Umm no a command line is not a file system :)09:21
pillowpantsim getting the variations wrong09:21
level1DaSkreech: the #debian one is funnier09:21
pillowpantson ubuntu, silly09:21
level1DaSkreech: what happens when you install vrms09:21
pillowpantsin windows you just read the registry cache09:21
pillowpantseasy peasy to crack09:22
benny_DaSkreech: ah.. you knows your stuff.. :)  it's shell isn't it :)09:22
DaSkreechpillowpants: you can reset it even easier in linux09:22
DaSkreechit's a reboot away09:22
pillowpantsrebooting the computer will give it my old passwd?09:22
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DaSkreechbenny_: Yeah :) it's how you manage your commands which are all files and work on files09:22
DaSkreechpillowpants: at the grub menu press esc then e then down then e then type single press enter then b09:23
DaSkreechpillowpants: Instahack!09:23
benny_DaSkreech: I guess what I meant was. "I'm too stuborn to use gui's" :)09:23
pillowpantsnever mind, its my old pass09:23
robbyi did not know that09:23
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pillowpantsi set one for root instead09:23
pillowpantson accident09:23
DaSkreechpillowpants: more reasons to password protect grub09:24
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pillowpantsDaSkreech : i was unaware of that09:24
pillowpantsok, fresh question09:24
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level1DaSkreech: no computer is invicible to the magic livecd09:24
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pillowpantshow do you reset root password to nothing09:24
DaSkreechlevel1: how about one without a CD drive ?09:24
level1DaSkreech: unless you lock down your hard drive, bios, and put a key lock on the case09:24
DaSkreechThat I've forgotten09:24
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benny_I prefer to crypt my drives and power down when I'm not using..09:25
level1pillowpants: does it say in man passwd?09:25
DaSkreechTHough if it has USB ports you are still shot09:25
level1DaSkreech: so the most secure computer is one buried in a feild with all the parts removed and the power cord cut?09:25
pillowpantslevel1 : yeah it does09:25
pillowpantsi need to learn to check man before i ask stuff09:25
level1pillowpants: hold on, theres a xkcd you need to read09:26
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DaSkreechlevel1: bingo. the computer that cannot be used is the safest there is09:26
level1pillowpants: http://xkcd.com/293/09:26
benny_unless it's the computer telling the missile.. "do not launch"09:26
DaSkreechas I was indicating to pillowpants before the more convenient something is to use the less secure it is09:27
level1benny_: what idiot, besides the us military, would design such a computer?09:27
sbucatinohi i have this problem : gutsy tribe 5 extra keys work; gutsy tribe 5 exstra keys don t want work :( someone knows where i can go to talk about this ?09:27
pillowpantslevel1 : whats xkcd?09:27
sbucatinohi i have this problem : gutsy tribe 3 extra keys work; gutsy tribe 5 exstra keys don t want work :( someone knows where i can go to talk about this ?09:27
DaSkreechlevel1: the north Korean military ?09:27
robbythey should make computer towers built like brinks safes09:27
level1pillowpants: a very funny webcomic09:27
benny_so.. as I was saying.. the computer telling the US military missile not to launch :)09:28
DaSkreechpillowpants: A webcomic of math tech and romance09:28
level1DaSkreech: correction: "09:28
level1xkcd.com logo09:28
level1A webcomic of romance,09:28
level1 sarcasm, math, and language.09:28
DaSkreechI knew math and romance09:28
pillowpantslevel1 : ill check it out09:28
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DaSkreechsbucatino: #ubuntu+109:29
ninniuzhi all, I'm running kubuntu 7.04 but it seems like my adept is old09:29
pillowpantsive never known a toaster that came with a man page09:30
DaSkreechhow old is it?09:30
benny_so I haven't done the chatty thing in like 5-6 years.. I joined #2CPU also.. seems like 2 bots going at it.. very funny.09:30
ninniuzI don't have the new panel under manage repositories09:30
DaSkreechpillowpants: :)09:30
ninniuzhow can it be?09:30
DaSkreechninniuz: Ah you need to install a package09:30
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ninniuzoh my, trying to figure it out for a long time now09:30
ninniuzwhich package?09:30
level1pillowpants: well, if you ever get a unix based toaster... no, just don't, they suck09:30
pillowpantsthat one is good09:30
level1pillowpants: they all are very funny09:31
pillowpantslevel1 : its been bookmarked09:31
level1has anyone here ever gone on #java?  http://xkcd.com/322/ <- its 100% true09:31
level1anyway, offtopic09:31
DaSkreechI think it's kubunt-default-settings ninniuz09:32
benny_yeah.. they are putting thosee rfids on everything.. I'll be surprised if my kid didn't get one implanted at the hospital.09:32
pillowpantsbenny_ : what do you know of that has them?09:33
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pillowpantsnothing simple emp would take care of09:33
icecruncherhi all, I cant transfer exe's from linux to win and run them09:34
icecruncherwhat to do?09:34
benny_there goes that nuke that the computer let go of.. it's EMP will disable my kids rfid.09:34
Jucatoicecruncher: of course you can't, Linux isn't Windows. windows programs won't run natively in Linux. try to use someting like Wine09:34
Jucato!wine | icecruncher09:34
ubotuicecruncher: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.09:34
pillowpantsbenny_ : you can make one from a battery some wire and a paper clip09:34
ninniuzDaSkreech: already got it09:35
benny_pillowpants: what!! no duct tape!!09:35
icecruncher<Jucato> no i download them in linux, put them on thumb drive, but can't run them in win09:35
pillowpantsbenny_ : or some wire and one of those throw away cameras you get at the grocery store09:35
pillowpantsmakes it easier09:35
Jucatoicecruncher: weird09:35
pillowpantshousehold knowledge in these days of rfid09:35
level1its funny that people think that windows programs should run on linux, I mean, they don't run on mac... as it happens, a linux box is a far better "windows emulator" than mac could ever be09:36
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Jucato!offtopic | everyone09:36
ubotueveryone: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!09:36
Jucatolevel1: nah it was my fault. it was different situation09:36
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DaSkreechninniuz: software-properties-kde ?09:36
pillowpantsi wonder if anyone ever goes to offtopic09:36
Jucato#ubuntu-offtopic is high traffic I heard09:37
DaSkreechlevel1: It's a far better windows emulator than windows will ever be09:37
ninniuzthis one I don't09:37
DaSkreechninniuz: that should be it09:37
level1DaSkreech: lol, well, knetworkmanager has to be fixed first :)09:37
ninniuzlet's see | DaSkreech09:37
xeviousso let's talk about leprechauns09:37
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xeviouswho's got a good leprechaun story?09:38
DaSkreechlevel1: No that's a usable OS emulator :)09:38
Jucatoxevious: ??09:38
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benny_this leprechaun walks into a bar.....09:38
DaSkreechlevel1: I have at least 6 programs that I can't get to work in Windows that I can on Linux09:38
xeviousbenny_: go on...09:39
level1DaSkreech: I just want some of the more ridiculous bugs to fixed09:39
DaSkreechxevious: you know betterthan that09:39
ninniuzDaSkreech: yup it is, thank you!!!09:39
pillowpantsbenny_ : dam you, do not leave us hanging09:39
DaSkreechlevel1: dude it's barely at version 0.509:39
DaSkreechninniuz: Welcome Enjoy!09:39
ninniuzsee ya all!09:40
DaSkreechninniuz: please come again@09:40
ninniuzI will :-)09:40
xeviousi think i just broke my finger09:40
xeviousalright. ima go deal with this09:40
DaSkreechUse ya lucky charms!09:41
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xeviousthat's why i broke my finger09:41
benny_sorry... I'm a blank on a good leprechaun joke.. I'm 3 glasses of wine to the wind.. I was more making a point about my uncanny ability to be off-topic.09:41
xeviousalright byebye09:41
xeviousi'm a bottle of jager to the wind09:41
DaSkreechnight all09:41
xeviousand a broken finger09:42
DaSkreechJucato: I'm sorry09:42
benny_night DaSkreech09:42
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DaSkreechJucato: I'm liking D3lphin09:42
DaSkreechnight benny_Hope I see ya again09:42
xeviousg'night daskreech09:42
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DaSkreechI still won't use it09:42
DaSkreechbut it's shiny09:43
DaSkreechI don't think I can get my head around using it pre nepomuk09:43
Jucatogood luck trying to compress stuff09:43
level1DaSkreech: I like the basic idea of Konqueror, still09:43
DaSkreechHa ha :-)09:43
DaSkreechCan it do  in line previews?09:43
DaSkreechI haven't tried that09:43
DaSkreechbenny_: You'll find out in time09:44
DaSkreechJucato: Yeah. You never did previews in Konqui ?09:44
benny_damnit.. will googling nepomuk do any good?09:44
JucatoDaSkreech: I did previews. but what do you mean by inline?09:44
Jucatobenny_: yes09:44
Jucatobut don't expect it to be quite easily understandable09:44
DaSkreechOf movies and stuff09:44
benny_oh god.09:44
DaSkreech and it just plays in Konqueror?09:44
level1cpu abuse much?09:45
Jucatoyou mean embedded playing?09:45
level1and hard drive abuse09:45
DaSkreech it can't even do previews at all09:45
JucatoPreview in -> App?09:45
benny_resarchers.... comprehensive.. vapor ware?09:45
Jucatoit can do static previews09:45
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JucatoSet it to use Preview view09:45
Jucatoit can't do Embedded previews09:45
level1DaSkreech: what if you had a folder with 200 movies in it? its not unheard of09:45
DaSkreechlevel1: Eh?09:46
Jucatoyou have to launch app sepearately09:46
Jucatolevel1: you didn't understand09:46
DaSkreechlevel1: no not like jpeg previews09:46
Jucatolevel1: go to a folder in Konqueror with a video, then right-click, select Preview in -> Kaffeine (for example)09:46
Jucatothen it will play inside konqueror, and embedded vide player09:46
DaSkreechIn konqueror you can mouse over a sound and it will start playing09:46
level1Jucato: oh I know what your talking about09:47
DaSkreechYou can right click a file and preview in -> an app and it will play inside konqueror09:47
Jucatoyes. DaSkreech just used the wrong teerm09:47
DaSkreechyou can put it in the media player inthe sidebar09:47
DaSkreechand you can open it09:47
xeviousnepomuk is awesome09:47
level1Jucato: I'd be interested in an operating system that's essentially a giant konqueror window with tabs and split views09:47
level1Jucato: maybe not the best idea, but I'd like to see it09:47
Jucatoit's not a OS that you need. just a window manager w/ tabs09:48
DaSkreechlevel1: I think you are mixing up OS and file manager09:48
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Jucatothere are already some things like that09:48
DaSkreechLike Konqueror maybe ?09:48
Jucatotabbed window managers (use instead of kwin)09:48
level1Jucato: well, I played with tiling window managers, and they, well, excuse me, but they suck09:48
benny_yeah.. but can i run compiz fusion with it?09:48
DaSkreechJucato: I don't call opening a whole new app "previewing"09:48
JucatoDaSkreech: I did say it doesn't do embedded views09:49
DaSkreechbenny_: No09:49
level1Jucato: I mean, they are designed for people like you, not people like me who like flashy stuff09:49
Jucatowhich you keep on calling "inline preview"09:49
DaSkreechcompiz_fusion replaces it09:49
benny_damnit.. I want my spinning cube.09:49
Jucatolevel1: what are you talking about?09:49
DaSkreechKparts are not new apps09:49
level1benny_: running a tiling window manager and compiz fusion at the same time doesn't make any sense09:49
JucatoDaSkreech: which part of the "it doesn't do embedded viewing" did I not communicate properly?09:50
benny_unless you're 3 sheets to the wind!09:50
DaSkreechJucato: konqueror can do previews with out embedded views09:50
DaSkreechmouse over and the music starts to play09:51
level1Jucato: well, tiling window managers tend to have this "anti-gui" ideology... for example, none of the ones I tried allowed you to resize the tiles with your mouse, you were requireded to use a keyboard shortcut09:51
JucatoDaSkreech: we were talking about videos earlier right? that's what I'm referring to09:51
DaSkreechYeah I haven't figured outa good way to preview movies from thumbnails09:51
Jucatothe audio "preview" is a specific plugin of konqueror too09:51
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Jucatolevel1: so how did that apply to e? I don't even use any window manager other than kwin?09:52
DaSkreechThought you could do thumbnails of X% spots and slideshow them09:52
Jucato"to me"09:52
level1where do you find konqueror plugins?09:52
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Jucato(installed by default)09:53
level1Jucato: sorry, I shouldn't have mentioned you, but you strike me as the kind of person who would use a keyboard shortcut or command line util as much as possible09:53
DaSkreechHa ha :)09:53
xeviousi want an app that plots network connections on a per port basis on a big radar screen09:53
DaSkreechSo what can you tell about me from my IRC typing?09:53
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DaSkreechxevious: you already have one09:54
level1Jucato: Im sorry :(09:54
xeviousDaSkreech: really??09:54
DaSkreechxevious: Yeah it's a screensaver09:54
xeviousoh sweeet09:54
xeviousno way09:54
level1DaSkreech: you have a predisposition to like kubuntu09:54
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level1DaSkreech: also, you have a computer09:54
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level1Jucato: I want a kubuntu member badge!09:55
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benny_you get a badge!!09:55
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DaSkreechtry /whois jucato09:55
DaSkreechubuntu member09:55
xeviousDaSkreech: do you know what the screensaver is called?09:55
xeviousDaSkreech: because i'm pretty sure i dont have it09:55
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xeviousi seem to remember that one though09:56
xeviousbut wasn't it processes that it plotted?09:56
benny_damn this IRC do-jobber is cool.. whois and everything.09:56
level1why don't youtube videos fullscreen in quite the same way as windows? I know the political answer, but whats the technical answer?  it bothers me...09:56
DaSkreechxevious: in the options you can set it to network09:57
level1benny_: I know, IRC is so sophisticated, it must be one of those programs that you need a fancy graphics card and a quad core to run09:57
level1like vista09:57
xeviousDaSkreech: oh i only have kscreensaver installed, not kscreensaver-xsavers and kscreensaver-xsavers-extra09:58
DaSkreechthere you go09:58
benny_yeah.. wish I had a quad.09:58
DaSkreechWhich reminds me09:58
benny_I'll have to settle for a 64 way.09:58
DaSkreechNeed to find out how screensavers are done in kde409:58
Jucatoif there are any...09:59
level1DaSkreech: I'd really like to have an integrated plasma viewer in kde4's kdesktop_lock... I know theres security issues, but theres a few things I'd like to have there09:59
level1I think I'll propose that or maybe even write it myself if its simple10:00
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benny_what's a plasma viewer?10:00
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level1benny_: plasma is the new kde 4 desktop10:00
xeviousso i installed all the xscreensaver packages, along with the kscreensaver hooks and... it added absolutely no screensavers to my list10:01
xeviousoh well10:01
level1benny_: have you heard of superkaramba or gdesklets, or yahoo widgets or google widgets or the mac dashboard?10:01
JucatoDaSkreech: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeartwork/kscreensaver10:01
xeviousg'night folks10:02
Jucatoxevious: not xscreensaver. those are different10:02
level1benny_: its like that but 10000 times more awesome because its kde and everything they make is awesome10:02
benny_night xevious..10:02
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benny_level1: mmkay..10:02
xeviousJucato: kscreensaver-xsavers is a wrapper to let xscreensaver work through kscreensaver10:02
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pillowpantsat any rate, i must be off10:04
pillowpantsthanks for the help10:04
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benny_heh heh..10:04
elkangnice =)10:04
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DaSkreechSo plasma isn't taking over screensaves?10:05
benny_so you use wifi with linux level1.. I gather from you earlier questions.. I tried it once, but I had to use a wrapper.. first time my computer crashed on linux.10:05
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level1DaSkreech: I doubt it, but since the desktop lock has historically been part of the desktop, I'm assuming its already part of plasma, so it would be easy to hack in a fix like the one I'm suggesting10:06
level1benny_: well, intel pro wireless works mostly well in linux10:07
DaSkreechHmm I should get hacking on kscreensaver then :)10:07
DaSkreechfor real10:07
DaSkreechGood night all10:07
benny_night DaSkreech..10:07
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benny_I should head that way myself.. I'll be hurting tomorrow trying to do real work.10:07
DaSkreechbenny_: I know First time I installed linux I did it with a month free cause I knew I'd be up nights playing with it10:08
benny_heh heh.. ok.. that's a good one.10:09
DaSkreechbenny_: Here it is 7 years later and I still won't go to bed10:09
DaSkreechNo wait that can't be right10:09
benny_yeah.. sleep sucks.. until you need to wake up.10:09
DaSkreechHa ha10:10
benny_*shamefully* not a gamer :(10:10
level1 /http:\/\/xkcd.com\/[0-9] {1-3}\//10:10
level1or, in not perl, they are all funny10:10
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benny_wow.. a regex url?10:11
level1heh heh, perl10:11
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benny_I've got to learn php one of these days.10:12
benny_I use perl like a crutch, but php seems to be used a lot now also.10:13
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emilsedghbenny_: php is so easy10:13
emilsedghbenny_: just start10:14
benny_I installed mediawiki the other day.. seems similar in syntax.10:14
level1perl is such a ridiculous language10:14
level1wikipedia has its own langauge?10:14
benny_mediawiki.. the software.. serverside.10:14
emilsedghnoooo, mediawiki is php10:14
benny_it was my first real look at php.10:15
benny_shit.. I gotta go to bed..10:15
benny_night all..10:15
emilsedghbenny_: you looked into a wrong place, mediawiki hasnt very nice code, at least i feel so10:16
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level1http://xkcd.com/271/  <- I loled, and then I serioused, and then i loled again10:18
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level1I guess thats why they didn't choose one10:18
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ardchoille!ot | level110:39
ubotulevel1: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!10:39
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leileilolhey how do i configure refresh rates? i'm stuck at 75hz max, and my monitor can do 120hz10:51
leileiloland 85hz in 1024x76810:51
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ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!11:06
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antoSomone here that can help me install my nvidia drivers?11:15
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ardchoille!nvidia | anto see this page:11:19
ubotuanto see this page:: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto11:19
antoardchoille, i know those pages of by heart but they don't work i had to reinstall my now.11:19
ardchoilleanto: Which card do you have?11:20
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antoardchoille, Nvidia GeFore 6600 series11:20
Chokoloffthere's no problem with this card11:21
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ardchoilleanto: Which steps did you actually perform? Maybe I can help you troubleshoot11:22
ChokoloffI have this one on my home pc and it works fine, just download drivers on the nVidia's official website ^^11:22
antoardchoille, well currentl none because i'm reinstall my computer but when its done i want to have some help, yesterday i had a OP from this channel that coudln't help me11:23
ardchoilleChokoloff: That's not a good idea. If you do that then you have to reinstall every time your kernel gets updated11:23
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antoardchoille, Dont i have to do that with debs :o?11:23
Chokoloffyes that's true :p11:23
Chokoloffno anto11:23
ardchoilleanto: Ok, I'll try to help you11:25
ardchoilleanto: Open a terminal and see if the linux-restricted-modules is installed for your kernel. Type this: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`11:25
antoardchoille, the computer is not done reinstall i'm currently on my laptop11:26
ardchoilleanto: When the computer is ready, come back here and I'll try to help you get the nvidia driver installed and working11:27
ardchoilleanto: I have installed nvidia drivers on over 100 machines so it's not that hard.11:27
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Chokoloffwelcome in da club ardchoille11:28
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jussi01Hmmm, can I get some help with sftp? I have a url, username and password, but what is the host?11:31
ardchoillejussi01: most likely:  username@host  and then it'l ask for the pass11:33
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santibioticoim trying to install feisty on a workstation and when i am partitioning the disk the system doesn't allow me to create partitions higher than 35G11:35
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santibioticonor ext3, nor xfs11:36
jussi01thanks ardchoille sorted11:36
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santibioticowhenever i define the size, the system seems to be creating the partition with the specified size, but the result is a 35 G partition11:36
santibioticoany idea?11:36
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josscan somebody help me with the installation of a wifi card11:39
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Samuli^anyone tried KDE4?11:39
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Tm_T!fi | Samuli^11:40
ubotuSamuli^: Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi11:40
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Samuli^what's the channel for 7.10?11:41
sasho_na vsi4ki11:41
sasho_kak ste11:41
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[warnnG] :}11:43
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ardchoilleSamuli^: #ubuntu+111:44
leileilolhow do i configure maximum refresh rates for resolutions? I am stuck to 75hz max, and i know my monitor can go higher11:44
leileilolusing fglrx driver.11:44
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Samuli^you could try and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf,  VertRefresh under the monitor section11:48
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Samuli^but you better be sure your monitor can handle higher refresh rate with the bit depth and resolution you have11:49
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jussi01Hmmm, how do I copy over files/folders from an ssh connection in terminal?11:54
ubotuSCP is a secure way of copying files across networks using !SSH. Usage: scp filename user@host:filename - WinSCP is a client for Windows, available at http://winscp.net/11:54
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antoardchoille, its installed now what should i do11:55
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sbucatinojoss: ?11:55
sbucatinojoss: i will be back in 30 minutes11:56
linusfxanyone knows how to configure routers?11:56
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antoardchoille, you still here to help me?11:57
jussi01thanks SlimeyPete11:57
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antoardchoille, i got linux-restricted-modules-generic installed should i install nvidia-glx-new now?12:00
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ardchoilleanto: Hold on12:01
antoardchoille, Oki12:01
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ardchoilleanto: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx12:02
antoardchoille, whats the difference between nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new ?12:02
antoardchoille, its installed now12:02
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ardchoilleanto: sudo nvidia-xconfig12:03
ardchoilleanto: Do you know how to restart x?12:03
antoyes of course i do i'm not that stupid :P12:03
ardchoilleok, try it and see if the driver is installed and working12:04
antojust copying a few files give me a second12:04
bazhanghi ardchoille12:04
ardchoillehi bazhang12:04
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antoardchoille, it was so easy i'm inbarrsed :(12:06
JohnFluxhow do I set what permissions pmount mounts with?12:07
ardchoilleanto: Yes, it's easy. Too manypeople make it harder than it is. All I did was walk you through the tutorial for your card.12:07
antoardchoille, i got another problem now :S when i try and start my favorit game (tibia) it says the file dose not exist.12:08
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ardchoilleanto: How are you starting the game? From the kmenu? Launcher?12:09
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antoNo its a binary file so i tried starting it like ./Tibia12:10
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ardchoilleanto: Does the file begin with an upper case "T"?12:10
ardchoilleanto: Linux is case sensitive12:11
antoand now after using nvidia-settings to change the resolution of rmy screen my keyboard has changed to english but its a swedish keyboard how do i change it back12:11
antoardchoille, i know very well that linux is case sensitive12:11
ardchoilleanto: I can do without the smart remarks12:11
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antoardchoille, any idea on how to change it back to the swedish keyboard?12:12
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apparleWhen is Gutsy gibbon 7.10 being released12:15
anto18 of okt12:15
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antoCan somone tell me why the konsole says there is no file or direct when trying to execute a file that exists in ls?12:16
apparleanto: Try putting "./" before the filename. Eg. to execute  a file named hello type ./hello in Kconsole12:17
antoapparle, yeah i know that but it says the file dose not exist and yes i'm writing case senstivite12:18
apparleanto : Are you in the directory12:18
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antoapparle yes i am it shows upp when i do ls12:19
mwansaapparle, is ls shows the file then obviously he must be in the right directory12:19
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apparlemwansa: sorry12:20
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apparleanto: It is surely a bash script12:20
shinobianyone have any thoughts on usb webcam drivers that may or not be included in gutsy? i'm getting corect i.d. in kopete, but no action...12:20
antosh Tibia dose not work ither12:20
antobut it always worked before i reinstalled :(12:20
shinobiguess they might be kernel modules maybe12:21
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ardchoilleanto: file Tibia12:23
antoardchoille, Okej 2 seconds12:23
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antoUhm gonna login on that pc12:24
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anto_ardchoille: now there is two of me !12:24
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ardchoilleanto_: were you trying to start a gui game over ssh?12:24
anto_ardchoille: Result was Tibia: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped12:24
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anto_ardchoille: no i was not12:24
bazhanganto is that a dos game?12:25
ardchoilleok, it's a binary. What happens when you do:  ./Tibia   ?12:25
antoBazhang they got a windows and linux version12:25
apparleWill the 64bit work on Pentium 4 processor?? I have dual core. I need this info for my friend12:25
bazhanganto which version of windows?12:26
antofrom 2k to vista12:26
ardchoilleanto: What happens when you do:  ./Tibia   ?12:26
bazhanghigh fps?12:26
bazhangapparle 64 bit gutsy?12:27
antoardchoille, it says no file or directory called tibia12:27
apparlebazhang: Yes12:27
ardchoilleanto: Then it's misspelled or something12:27
ardchoilleanto: did you make the file executable?12:27
bazhangapparle P4 is !ghz or thereabouts?12:27
antoardchoille, No i didn't :P12:28
bazhangoops 1Ghz*12:28
ardchoilleanto: chmod a+x Tibia12:28
ardchoilleThen: ./Tibia12:28
apparlebazang : What??12:28
antowhat dose a stand for?12:28
ardchoilleu = user, g = group, a = all12:28
ardchoilleyou can do u+x if you want12:29
bazhangapparle sorry is a P4 around one gigaherz?12:29
apparlebazang: 2.4 GHZ12:29
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antobash: ./Tibia: No Such file or directory12:29
antobut chmod worked fine12:29
ardchoilleanto: Need to check the spelling12:29
ardchoilleWait, the chmod worked? But the ./ didn't?12:30
antoYeah i know its realy weird12:30
bazhangapparle I tried it on a celeron awhile back (1.8 gigaherz) and it was slow, but still usable.12:31
ardchoilleanto: ls -lha Tibia12:31
anto-rwxr-xr-x 1 anto anto 5.0M 2007-06-26 12:36 Tibia12:32
apparlebazang: My friend inserted the Kubuntu 64bit feistyCD and got the masg that use 32 bit version. Does compatibility also depend on the motherboard??12:32
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about vbox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi12:32
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ardchoilleanto: Well, it's there, spelled correctly and its 755.. don't know what to tell you12:33
antoardchoille, is it possible that its compiled for 32libs and i don't have them installed?12:33
bazhangapparle I believe so; why not download teh 32 bit version and try that, or does he have a slow net connection.12:33
ardchoilleanto: Even if that were the case, bash shouldn't have returned: ./Tibia: No Such file or directory12:34
apparlebazhang: He wants to use the amd64 version12:35
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antothis is driving me mad12:35
bazhangapparle oh ok, never had one of those; sorry..12:35
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ardchoilleanto: Where did you get that game? I want to dl it and see for myself.12:37
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antoi'm runing amd64 kubuntu with Nvidia GeForce 660012:38
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antoardchoille, any success?12:45
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lovre`afkHi all12:45
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niyadoalguien podria decirme donde puedo conseguir un manual para hacer un servidor de konversation?12:47
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ubotuYou should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines12:47
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buddyjohn_can some-one help me with linux kubuntu please???12:50
niyadotell me12:51
niyadowhat happen whit kubuntu12:51
buddyjohn_ive dl ie7,fox,& other supported sites & cant make work12:52
niyadommm the internet browsers?12:52
niyadou have konqueror?12:53
buddyjohn_thats how i dl programs12:53
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niyadook, if u are using the pc for the irc that means that u have internet, but is wierd that u cant use the browsers, maybe u are traying to look for pages that need flash or something and u dont have the plugins12:54
Jucatobuddyjohn_: what are you trying to do?12:54
niyadooohh ok12:55
Jucatoor what do you want to do?12:55
buddyjohn_ive got plugins but dont know how to install them12:55
niyadoif u want to download programs try to download in terminal the Automatix212:55
niyadommm ok12:55
Jucatobuddyjohn_: plugins for?12:55
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Jucato!away > elkang|away12:56
niyadoif u are using firefox go to Tools> Add-ons > and select the respect plugins that u want to us12:56
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buddyjohn_plugs for fire fox exc.ok12:56
niyadowell i have to go, good luck whit your problem bye12:57
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ShydeI got a problem with the system settings manager, sometimes when I want to enter administrator mode I don't get any prompt to enter my password. Sometimes it works though. any ideas?01:05
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Ash-FoxShyde, edgy?01:07
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Shydethe border goes red but nothing else happens01:08
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Ash-FoxHmm... I don't think I've seen authentication issues with kdesu on feisty yet..01:08
D4m4gehello :)01:09
Ash-FoxShyde, you could open konsole and type in "systemsettings", hit enter. When it happens, a error will likely be spat out in konsole then.01:09
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D4m4geI would like to launch the command scanbuttond on the start of kde, is it enough to put a text file in .kde/autostart/ named scanbuttond with inside /usr/bin/scanbuttond ?01:10
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D4m4gei tryied to install kcontrol-autostart with apt, it worked but i cant find autostart menu in the kcontrol01:10
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ShydeAsh-Fox: now it worked, only thing I did was opening some random application with kdesu before trying on the system settings. I'll try that if it stops working again, thanks01:11
Ash-FoxD4m4ge, just create a symlink: ln -s /usr/bin/scanbuttond ~/.kde/Autostart/01:11
D4m4geok thanx Ash-Fox i will try that01:11
Ash-FoxShyde, alright.01:11
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antoardchoille: My freind said that i might need to install the 32x libs01:18
antoardchoille: thats why it worked before because i used the nvidia driver from there homepage, and installed the 32libs for me01:19
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antoardchoille: you there i found the problem i needed to install the 32libs :>01:30
antoardchoille: but the current problem is this "error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"01:30
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denny_hai all01:49
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jerihi everyone!01:50
jeridoes anyone knows how accelerate my video card for dapper?01:51
jerior make applications load faster01:52
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Chousukeit doesn't affect application load speed01:53
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jerior atleast can you help how to load applications in kubuntu faster,hmm like windows01:53
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ChousukeThey load faster in windows?01:54
ChousukeI never noticed :/01:54
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jerii mean most applications or programs in windows load faster than in kubuntu,does this mean i need to replace my old Amd athlon xp 1.5 ghz?01:56
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antoardchoille: you there?01:56
antocan somone help me with "error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"01:56
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jerimaybe windows xp  doesnt need higher speed when it comes to processor but eats a lot of memory01:58
jerithe more programs you install the more your memory is eaten01:59
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jeriwhile in kubuntu you need higher processor speed but need only little memory than in windows01:59
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ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs02:00
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jerihey there ubotu02:00
jerihow can i make my kubunu boot faster?02:01
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DexterFattached a known to be working usb wifi stick, kubuntu doesnt see it. can I re-scan or such?02:03
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jerihow can i make my kubunu boot faster?02:04
pag!repeat | jeri02:04
ubotujeri: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience02:05
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ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots02:12
antoCan somone give me the libglu.so.1 32 bit library?=02:14
ardchoilleanto: libGLU.so.1 is provided by libglu1-mesa02:17
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antoardchoille: http://pastebin.com/m47dfceb02:18
antoardchoille: i got libglu1-mesa installed02:18
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ardchoilleanto: Then Tibia is looking for libGLU.so.1 in the wrong place02:20
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ardchoilleanto: Are you using the 64bit version of kubuntu?02:21
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antoardchoille: yes i am02:27
ardchoilleanto: why?02:27
ardchoilleyou're going to continually run into problem with that.02:28
antoI don't realy care i only want that game to work, .02:28
antothe rest of the programs i use work with 64 bits.02:29
ardchoilleWith the number of problems and bugs I found with the 64 bit version, I can't help you with it, sorry.02:30
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antoSo your telling me to reinstall my computer yet again?02:31
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ardchoilleI don't remember saying that.02:31
WaltzingAlongbut you did02:31
antohe didn't he just suggested it02:32
antoo well if it works then fine02:32
antogoing to go to the server and burn another cd comming back soon02:32
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chnis there any part in the system preferences for configurating TV cards?02:42
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chnI mean somewhere to choose which chipset is my tv card use ...02:42
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WaltzingAlongchn: not that i know.02:43
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about v4l - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi02:43
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about v4l2 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi02:43
firexdccspeak here germany?02:43
ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de02:43
WaltzingAlongdoch gibt's02:43
WaltzingAlong!de | firexdcc02:43
ubotufirexdcc: please see above02:43
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JuJuBeeI manage a lab with 14 workstations.  Is there an easy way to install//remove software on all computers remotely?  I want to avoid logging into each one ...03:03
WaltzingAlongJuJuBee: updates can be automatically installed through cron. or did you mean something else?03:04
JuJuBeeSomething else...  Like if I want to remove a particular program or install a new one...03:05
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JuJuBeeOn all 14 computers.03:05
ardchoilleJuJuBee: Utilise your package manager, that would be the easiest wy03:05
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ardchoilleJuJuBee: I have 11 computers, have played with many ideas but the package manager seems to be easiest and fastest.03:06
WaltzingAlong!info clusterssh03:06
ubotuclusterssh: administer multiple ssh or rsh shells simultaneously. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.19.1-4 (feisty), package size 38 kB, installed size 168 kB03:06
JuJuBeeardchoile : doesnt the pm require me to log into each machine?03:06
ardchoilleJuJuBee: You can ssh in and do it that way if you want.03:06
WaltzingAlongJuJuBee: sure set up priv/pub keys at least you can skip typing passwords then03:07
JuJuBeeI would like to avoid loggin into each cmputer and doing apt-get...03:07
ardchoilleJuJuBee: Then I feel you're going about it the hard way03:07
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JuJuBeeI don't understand...03:08
ardchoilleIt's nice to be able to admin 11 computers from one main box03:08
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JuJuBeeThat's what I want to do...03:08
ardchoillessh in and apt-get :)03:08
WaltzingAlongJuJuBee: maybe clusterssh can help03:09
JuJuBeeIs there no other way?  I am already doing that.03:09
JuJuBeei will read up on clusterssh.03:09
ardchoilleJuJuBee: perhaps look into WaltzingAlong's suggestion?03:09
WaltzingAlongwell and you would not be doing that so often i would guess03:09
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ardchoilleunless you install/remove things on a daily basis03:10
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WaltzingAlongi admin around 10 machines now using ssh in (with keys, not passwords), aptitude what i need, and out03:10
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ardchoilleJuJuBee: I would suggest using an rss feed reader and then subscribe to the ubuntu ssn to see when new updayes and security fixes are released. At least that way you know when to apt-get upgrade03:11
JuJuBeeclusterssh looks like what I need.  Thanks...03:11
WaltzingAlongyeah and you could even construct your own list, have the others grab the list of things to be installed/removed, ...03:11
ardchoilleJuJuBee: For a feed reader:  http://www.ubuntu.com/rss.xml03:12
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WaltzingAlongJuJuBee: chainssh.sf.net may be helpful too03:12
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JuJuBeeK, I'll take a look... Thanks03:13
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JuJuBeeCan you point me in the direction of learning how to use keys to avoid passwords on login?  That would be most helpfull...03:14
WaltzingAlongJuJuBee: sure!03:14
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pfeinmy thinkpad buttons don't seem to be working under Feisty... any ideas?03:14
WaltzingAlongJuJuBee: search: passwordless ssh    http://www.securitydocs.com/library/3385   http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/Passwordless_ssh_logins.html     http://blogs.translucentcode.org/mick/archives/000230.html   http://www.math.ualberta.ca/imaging/snfs/passwordless.html03:15
WaltzingAlongJuJuBee: you could also use ssh-agent to store the passwords03:15
JuJuBeeThanks WaltzingAlong, I didn't know what to call it...03:15
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WaltzingAlongJuJuBee: welcome03:16
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osceola_ko staa, wa03:20
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DexterFhi again.03:23
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DexterFknetwork-manager fails to setup wpa, can someone tell me how to setup the interface manually from a terminal?03:24
The_Machinehow do i restart the 'sound' services?  (What would it be called in init.d?)03:24
WaltzingAlongDexterF: wpa supplicant03:24
osceola 03:24
WaltzingAlongDexterF: something like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26313603:25
BobDHTwo questions...(1) how do I determine if I have a 64 bit Kubuntu system and (2) does the 64 bit distribution only work on AMD? I've just tried to install the new Creative X-Fi driver and it says it can only install on a 64 bit system. My dealer was to have installed said distro but it is an Intel.03:25
DexterFWaltzingAlong: ah, that helps, thanks03:25
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WaltzingAlongBobDH: the 64bit version works with 64bit machines, amd and intel03:25
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WaltzingAlongBobDH: uname -a        should tell you toward the end which machine type (i686 for example)03:26
WaltzingAlongBobDH: or just uname -m03:26
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hydrogenWaltzingAlong: thats not necessarily true (both parts)03:28
hydrogenWaltzingAlong: 1) the 64bit version works on emt64 intel chips, not ia6403:29
WaltzingAlongright not all 64 bit chips, just the ones supporting x8603:29
hydrogenWaltzingAlong: 2) uname shows the target the kernel was compiled for, not what the processor can do03:29
The_Machinei was about to upgrade my kernel03:30
WaltzingAlongyes to know what he has installed on there03:30
WaltzingAlongno what cpu it is03:30
The_Machineand i don't want to fubar my nvidia drivers03:30
The_Machineany special precautions i should take?03:30
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WaltzingAlongThe_Machine: how did you install the ndivia modules?03:30
The_Machineshould i justleave it alone?03:30
hydrogenThe_Machine: if both nvidia-drivers and the kernel were installed through the package manager you should have no troubles03:30
The_MachineWaltzingAlong, pathetically, i don't even remember03:30
The_Machineit was like 6months ago03:30
hydrogenThe_Machine: on another note, if the current kernel is working for you than theres no reason to mess around03:31
The_Machinei'll just leave it alone03:31
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The_Machine(otoh, i do see that nvidia drivers seem to be installed from adaptec)03:31
The_Machinesorry, i'm tired.03:31
BobDHThanks. That lists *x86_64." Any idea why the drive would not install (it used the message "03:32
BobDHThis product only support 64-bit Operating Systems03:32
BobDHSetup will now exit03:32
WaltzingAlonghydrogen: so you suggest getting system info through cat /proc/cpuinfo  ?03:32
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WaltzingAlongBobDH: ok so it seems if uname -m showed x86_64 seems you have both a 64bit cpu and the 64bit distribution03:33
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DexterFwas wpa_supplicant in /var/run7 in earlier versions?03:38
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DexterFshould the kernel source contain a ubuntu subdir? i.e. if it's not there: something wrong?03:59
clouderHow do I set a background color on the text of my desktop icons?  Sometimes my wallpaper has dark and light areas and neither just black or just white text will do, and the glow doesn't help much03:59
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bazhangmorning all04:05
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xMothDoes anybody know when today the RC from Gutsy Gibbon will be released?04:13
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JucatoxMoth: try #ubuntu+1 people04:13
Jucatothey might know04:13
xMothok thx04:13
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hemi_que pano chatos ?04:15
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bjwebbwhat starts compiz automatically in kubuntu?04:18
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emilsedgh!autostart | bjwebb04:18
ubotubjwebb: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.04:18
ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects04:19
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bjwebbhow do i run a graphical app as another user in gutsy?04:35
Kachna:/ kinda cpu leak in Xorg O.o04:36
digitalheadbjwebb: kdesudo should do it04:37
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bjwebbdigitalhead: well firstly it seems to run stuff with my home dir, instead of the other users04:37
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bjwebband i get connection to ":0.0" refused by server04:38
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digitalheadbjwebb: try kdesu04:38
bjwebbdigitalhead: afaik, thats just a link to kdesudo in gutsy04:38
digitalheadbjwebb: shouldn't be. Both should be an option since they have different features04:39
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bjwebbthey are :S04:40
bjwebblrwxrwxrwx  1 root   root          7 2007-09-23 13:31 kdesu -> kdesudo04:40
digitalheadbjwebb: sorry, it was just a guess, I still use feisty... waiting for the stable release04:41
Jucatobjwebb: you can press Alt+F2, then click on the Options button to have the option to run as a different user04:41
bjwebbJucato: hmm04:42
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Jucatoor you can try sux (just discovered it lately too)04:42
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Jucato!info sux04:42
ubotusux: wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-3.2 (feisty), package size 8 kB, installed size 64 kB04:42
bjwebbhey thanks!04:42
bjwebbi'd forgotten bout that04:42
bjwebbJucato: that looks interesting too04:43
Jucatowith sux, you basically enter "sux - username" to log in to the other user (dont' forget the -)04:43
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Jucatothen run apps like you would normally do04:43
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Jucatobut don't forget to use kdesu for those apps that require it04:44
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bjwebbJucato: ?04:46
bjwebblike what?04:46
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Jucatoif you're going to run GUI apps as root from the command line (or from alt+F2), always use kdesu, not sudo04:46
bjwebbis sux okay for that tho?04:47
Jucatoeven if you use sux04:47
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arkygeekhi.  when i activate the osx-like menu bar, i am not able to mve things around in it, and items are all centered on it.  there is seemingly no way to set panel prefs for it either.  (feisty fawn)04:48
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Ash-FoxAnyone happen to know the equilivant of doing a '\n' in bash script in a echo?04:56
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fdovingAsh-Fox: echo '\n' ?04:58
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fdovingAsh-Fox: i of course mean:  echo -e '\n'04:58
Ash-Foxfdoving, ah, thanks very much04:59
fdovingthe -e is the enable-backslash-escaped things switch.04:59
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fdovingAsh-Fox: keep in mind that echo will add a trailing \n to everything, so echo '04:59
fdovingecho -e '\n' will actually output two times: \n05:00
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fdovingAsh-Fox: so echo -en '\n' might be what you want.05:00
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Jucato##bash might have more ideas. (there's a channel for that right? O.o)05:01
Jucatofdoving: thanks for that too. nice info to have...05:02
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markofrarethere any kubuntu gurus05:08
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nosrednaekimsure there are:)05:09
markofrok :D05:09
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nosrednaekimmarkofr: go ahead and ask05:09
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ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)05:09
markofri need a name of apt package that will install qt4 c++ development framework from trolltech05:09
nosrednaekimmarkofr: qt-develop?05:10
nosrednaekimand kdevelop405:10
Jucato(there's not qt develop :P)05:10
nosrednaekimyeah ;)05:10
markofri do not need tools05:10
BrocawaySono tornato...05:10
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JucatoBroc93: not again!05:10
nosrednaekimhe wants magic I guess ;)05:10
markofrbut qt source05:11
markofri will get05:11
markofrit fomr trolltech05:11
nosrednaekimmarkofr: qt source?05:11
Jucatomarkofr: we have packages05:11
Jucatoyou can try searching in Adept Manager or use "apt-cache search qt4"05:11
Broc93Jucato: what?05:11
nosrednaekimis there any way to permanantly stop arts?05:12
Jucatoit depends on what exactly do you need (Qt 4 for runtime? or headers/development files)05:12
Broc93It's only an automated message05:12
nosrednaekimits using like 87% of my CPU05:12
JucatoBroc93: I thought you were going to have a test run again05:12
Broc93Jucato: no, It's the message that appears when I type /back or /away05:12
JucatoI see...05:13
ubotuYou should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines05:13
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WalkbossHello! I'll make this short. Shift+Backspace crashes my system (or restarts XGL according to Google) and I found a command that is supposed to remedy it, but I get various errors when I enter the command.05:16
nosrednaekimWalkboss: what errors?05:17
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about arts - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi05:17
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poison--hi guys05:17
fdovingnosrednaekim: is that the DontZap feature in X? which is supposed to be ctrl-alt-backspace ?05:18
poison--im trying to make a HD of 40GB ext3 using gparted, but everytime its ends the jobs, it gives me an unknown partition05:18
WalkbossWait.. I'm stupid. When I copied and pasted the command it left the quotation marks slanted or whatever.   instead of " "05:19
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Walkbossthe command worked when I fixed it. Thanks anyway!05:19
nosrednaekimfdoving: yeah... except one less key for XGL... really gets me when i'm writing.05:19
nosrednaekimWalkboss: put that command at the end of you .bashrc05:19
WalkbossThat runs it at startup, right?05:20
fdovingnosrednaekim: doesn't DontZap in xorg.conf work?05:20
nosrednaekimfdoving: never heard of it...05:20
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nosrednaekimWalkboss: yeah...05:20
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WalkbossRight. Thanks again.05:21
nosrednaekimWalkboss: I think so, but maybe you should add it to /usr/bin/startkde05:21
nosrednaekimWalkboss: 'm not sure if .bashrc is called whenever you log in from kdm05:21
Daltonhas anyone got a link to a how-to for creating a kubuntu bootable usbkey?  I have an 8 GB usb key that I want to get a kubuntu dvd live image onto it05:22
WalkbossI had that command in there already but with Terminate_Server added on the end. I'll try what you suggested05:22
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WaltzingAlong!info arts05:22
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ubotuarts: sound system from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.6-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB05:23
bazhangDalton: pendrivelinux dot com has some excellent walkthroughs.05:23
fdovingnosrednaekim: you can use Option "DontZap" "true" in the ServerFlags section to disable ctrl-alt-backspace. i can't verify that for shift+backspace as i don't use XGL.05:23
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about pendrive - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi05:24
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JucatoDalton: in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ you can try searching for something like "Pendrive"05:24
nosrednaekimfdoving: I like ctrl+alt+bckspace... its really useful. but its  not RePLACED by shift+bckspace..05:24
Jucatoiirc there was a blog post or article before about that too... but can't recall where. try Googling..05:24
DaltonThanks bazhang - exactly what I needed05:24
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bazhangDalton: sure; lots of info about Ubuntu.05:25
nosrednaekimJucato: yeah... I Remeber seeing it on Tuxmachines.... search for " persistent kubuntu install"05:25
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WalkbossAlso, when I press the "off button" in the corner or whatever (or I even press it on my computer itself) the options "shutdown" "log out" "restart" etc. are supposed to show up, but I only see "log out". I made sure "Offer shutdown options" is enabled in the Session Manager, but no dice.05:27
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WalkbossI noticed the options are there before I started using the "nvidia" driver instead of "nv" but I'm not sure if it's related.05:28
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nosrednaekimWalkboss: thats another common bug... and there is a fix for it too. (its a problem with XGL)05:29
JucatoWalkboss: does shutdown and restart also appear when you try to shutdown normally from the menu?05:29
Jucatoah nvm... not the issue I was thinking...05:29
tarekwanted to know how to add further screenresolutions to the xorg.conf file05:29
Jucatoyou can manually edit xorg.conf... or05:30
ubotuTo reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes05:30
Jucatomenu driven ^^^05:30
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tarekso if i want to add higher resolutions i type:sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh05:33
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apothushi everyone05:36
nosrednaekimhi apothus05:36
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germanany idea of testing my internet velocity?05:38
apothusi have a problem on a new ubuntu install, computer starts up fine with no beep codes, when i went to run ubuntu from the cd before installing i recived the error "kernel panic - not synching: IO-APIC + timer dosent work ...." reset the bios to standard and it installed, now im having the same issue again, any ideas?05:38
germani had a program but that was in windows05:38
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carwash^german: download an iso from a ftp site near you05:38
carwash^apothus: try booting with the noapic boot paramter05:39
contrast83german: there are plenty of sites you can go to that test your internet speed. most broadband providers have something like that on their site as well.05:39
apothusok, and how do i set that?05:39
Jucatogerman: try  speedtest.net05:39
germani live in sweden, and have internet via the university network05:39
apothusi hit safe mode start get to the prompt and type exit, that gets me into a normal session but i dont want to do that everytime05:40
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carwash^apothus: at boot. press esc to get in to grub05:40
carwash^then select the normal line and press e05:40
carwash^to edit05:40
apothusok, i'll give it a go, thx carwash05:41
carwash^if you can get it to boot05:42
carwash^type su gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst05:42
Jucatocarwash^: kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst05:43
carwash^oh, forgot im in #kubuntu :P05:43
Jucatounless he's in Ubuntu or has Ubuntu installed along with Kubuntu05:43
Jucatocarwash^: but also never use su/sudo with GUI apps05:43
apothusok this falls into the wierd catagory, because i just restated it but i mised the 2 second window yet it booted fine, and after repeating booted fine the second time, is that error a serious one?05:43
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MilhousePunkRockHello everyone!05:44
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eyalushhey any 1 here watches korean soccer?05:45
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apothusthanks for your help but i think im going to have to leave it for the night, eyes are bluring over :D05:46
hydrogen!ot | eyalush05:47
ubotueyalush: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!05:47
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Vermuxhow do I c chat history iin Konversation?05:49
JucatoVermux: Window menu -> Open Log File for <current channel/tab> or press Ctrl+O05:49
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Jucatologs are stored in plain text format in ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs/05:50
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germansubtitles in movies?05:50
germanhow do i get subtitles in a movie?05:50
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carwash^how do i join multiple servers with konversation?05:53
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JucatoFile -> Server List or Quick Connect05:54
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Jucatofor Server List, add a new server. for Quick Connect, just specify the new server you want to join to05:54
carwash^thanks, i was afraid that would log me off this server05:56
YammehGuys, I've been playing TF2 through wine and it crashed, I killed the process but the item is still on my taskbar and the application is still there too, is there anyway to fix it apart from relogging?05:57
JucatoYammeh: Ctrl+Esc and check if wine or wineserver is still running?05:58
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YammehFs, apparently hl2 was still running, despite me typing killall hl2.exe05:59
YammehThanks for your help :)05:59
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Vermuxhow do I searach for a certain word in the log file in Konversation?06:01
YammehDo you know of a decent site for teaching me to write simple programs in the konsole?06:01
YammehRight click find text, Vermux06:01
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JucatoVermux: press Ctrl+F06:01
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JucatoFirefox-like search bar06:02
MilhousePunkRockJucato: Why doesn't Konqueror have such a search bar?06:03
JucatoMilhousePunkRock: very simple answer actually06:03
JucatoMilhousePunkRock: basically no one to do it06:04
Jucato(and the fact that you can't introduce new big features into KDE 3.5.x anymore)06:04
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JucatoMilhousePunkRock: but Konqueror does have something slightly similar06:05
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MilhousePunkRockJucato: Yeah, the / search, I recently found that out...06:05
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Jucatouseful little thing06:05
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LogicalDashI'm running the 7.10 prerelease. SCIM is more-o-less consistently failing to start. The last message it gives me before failure is "Loading x11 FrontEnd module". Is this a known bug?06:05
MilhousePunkRockJucato: Right? Though i had to press many keys to find out where it is on a non-US keyboard...06:06
Jucatoheh :)06:06
MilhousePunkRockJucato: So will your slim Kubuntu How-To apply to Gutsy as well? Or will you even update it matchingly?06:06
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majnoon<<in kubuntu gutsy :P06:06
Jucatomost probably it will still apply. package names have basically remained the same06:07
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poison--Jucato, do you know how can i browse a newly added HD to kubuntu06:07
poison--its formated in ext306:07
Dr_Willispoison-- mount it. :)06:08
ubotuPartitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter06:08
poison--tried gparted, it doenst let me mount06:08
Jucatogparted doesn't mount :)06:08
Dr_Willisi dident think it did. heh. :)06:09
poison--im too stupid with this thing06:09
Dr_WillisMounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. S06:09
Jucatohm. divorced S :)06:09
Dr_Willisi do it old-skool with the shell. :)06:09
YammehCan you guys tell me the syntax for a for loop on konsole?06:09
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ubotuTo mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.06:10
poison--k, got it06:10
savetheWorldfor in in one to 3 ; do echo $f ; done06:10
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Dr_Willissudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>06:10
savetheWorldfor in f one to 3 ; do echo $f ; done06:10
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poison--<Dr_Willis, and what should be a working " mount point"06:10
poison-- is "/" good?06:11
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YammehThat didn't work, savetheWorld. bash: syntax error near unexpected token `f'06:11
poison--nevermind, just got it06:11
MilhousePunkRockpoison--: No! It will cover everything that is already there...06:11
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Dr_Willis  /  is BAFD BAD BAD06:11
savetheWorldYammeh: try the second one. first had a typo06:11
poison--no i didnt06:11
MilhousePunkRockpoison--: /mnt/foobar is a good mountpoint06:11
Yammehgives the error I posted06:12
poison--i mounted in /media/06:12
Dr_Willis and dont make your first user have the name of 'root' either. :)06:12
poison--didnt work tho06:12
MilhousePunkRockpoison--: Of course you will have to create the folder first06:12
savetheWorldfor f in one to 3 ; do echo $f ; done06:12
Dr_Willispoison-- MAKE a directory for it06:12
savetheWorldwoops second one had a typo too! :-)06:12
Dr_Willisdont just put it anyplace.06:12
poison--ok, ok, you are all allowed to spank me06:12
Dr_Willis /media/NEWSTUFF06:12
Yammehok, ta06:12
Dr_Willis /media/MyPornStash  :)06:12
savetheWorldYammeh: try that last one. sorry.06:12
MilhousePunkRockpoison--: /media is for all the media, you don't want to hide your CD drive, for example06:12
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Vermuxwhat accessory is like notepad in windows?06:13
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Dr_Willistheres dozens of text editors you can use Vermux06:13
Vermuxto write some stuff I want to remember06:13
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JucatoVermux: Kate is like super notepad06:14
Dr_Williskate, kedit, fte, vi, nano, pico, + 100s06:14
Vermuxwhich one is the best06:14
Dr_WillisVermux NONE is best06:14
Jucatothere's kwrite for a smaller version of kate, and knotes for sticky notes on your destkop06:14
Dr_Willisyou Might want to check out the post-it-note type programs  for note taking06:14
Vermuxwhat do u mena? it is a chaos06:14
Dr_Willisknotes thats it. :)06:14
Jucatothere's also Basket for super dumping of ideas and things06:14
Dr_WillisVermux whats best for notes is not best for writing a 1000000000 page book.06:14
Dr_WillisYour must have features - are my bloat. :)06:15
savetheWorldor even 12 lines of code.06:15
MilhousePunkRockDr_Willis: Rumor has it KNotes can be used over the network, ever tried that?06:15
JucatoVermux: to put it simply. "best" is what will work for you best06:15
poison--mkay, think it worked06:15
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Dr_Willisnever tried MilhousePunkRock06:15
Dr_WillisI take my notes in vi :)06:15
JucatoMilhousePunkRock: that you can send knotes over network? yes heard of that feature06:15
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MilhousePunkRockDr_Willis: I'd really like to have the same stickies on both my machines...06:15
Jucatoyou mean vim don't you? :)06:15
Vermuxwhere can I find knotes?06:15
Jucatoin Kontact06:16
Dr_WillisMilhousePunkRock  export your /home :)06:16
Dr_Willis!info knotes06:16
ubotuknotes: KDE sticky notes. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu6 (feisty), package size 248 kB, installed size 844 kB06:16
Dr_WillisVermux install it.06:16
Jucatothey're installed by default06:16
MilhousePunkRockDr_Willis: Why not on the shell? echo "something you wrote down" >> ~/notepad06:16
Jucatoit's part of Kontact, or iirc, In K Menu -> Utilities06:16
Dr_WillisMilhousePunkRock becase i alwas got vi open. :)06:16
JucatoVermux: it's part of Kontact, or in K Menu -> Utilities06:17
poison--how do i delete a dir, i mean, whats the command06:17
Jucatomust be empty though06:17
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poison--damn i love mc06:18
poison--almost as good as apt-get install -f06:18
Dr_Willismc is handy :)06:19
Dr_Willischeck out screen also06:19
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Vermuxwhat is kde walleeet?06:20
MilhousePunkRockmc? vi? I feel like #kubuntu turned into a time machine back to the 80's ;)06:20
YammehIs there a way to write a for loop so I can give it a number range rather than having to type 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 etc?06:20
JucatoMilhousePunkRock: careful now...06:20
Dr_WillisYammeh Yes. :)06:20
Vermux!kde wallet06:20
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kde wallet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:20
Dr_Willis!info abs-guide06:21
ubotuabs-guide: The Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 4.1-1 (feisty), package size 1074 kB, installed size 4332 kB06:21
MilhousePunkRockVermux: KWallet stores all your passwords and you access same with one master password...06:21
Jucatoor ##bash (I think)06:21
Dr_Willislots of example bash info in that guide.06:21
Dr_Willisa MUST read.06:21
YammehOh sweet, thanks06:21
MilhousePunkRock!kwallet | Vermux06:21
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kwallet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:21
MilhousePunkRock!info kwallet | Vermux06:21
ubotuvermux: Package kwallet does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas06:21
VermuxMilhousePunkRock: what do u mean, master password?06:21
Jucatothere's not info about that. the kwallet subsystem is part of kdebase06:21
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JucatoVermux: it basically stores and manages passwords that you use for different apps like web browsing, IM, mail, etc06:22
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MilhousePunkRockVermux: Well... Say you have your ebay password stored in Konqueror, and your KMail passwords saved, and your Kopete account passwords... You open that app, and KWallet will ask for the KWallet password, and pass the password you need to the app that uses it...06:23
urlihabla espaol06:24
MilhousePunkRock!es | urli06:24
ubotuurli: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.06:24
Jucato!es | urli06:24
MilhousePunkRockBeat you, Jucato06:24
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urliholaa todos06:24
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VermuxMilhousePunkRock: but isnt it dangerous to have all passwords at the same application?06:24
MilhousePunkRockVermux: You can only access them if you have the master password06:25
Jucatonot really. there's a master password, and only you can access it06:25
poison--!es | urli06:25
ubotuurli: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.06:25
MilhousePunkRockVermux: Which should be a strong password, like any password should be...06:25
Jucatounless you 1) give out that password and 2) let somebody else use your computer06:25
urlihola  hay alguna chica de argentina para charlar06:25
MilhousePunkRockJucato: It's stored encrypted, is it?06:25
urlihola  hay alguna chica de argentina para charlar06:25
urlihola  hay alguna chica de argentina para charlar06:25
urlihola  hay alguna chica de argentina para charlar06:25
ubotuHelp! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!06:26
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VermuxMilhousePunkRock: yes, but if someone get the password for that they get all passwords!!06:26
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jpatrickJucato: ohh, beat me to it..06:26
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MilhousePunkRockVermux: How should someone get it?06:26
Davieywow. Mez uses his ops!06:26
Dr_Willisthats why i alwyas use the password 'dorwssap'06:26
MezJucat=o banned though, not muted06:26
VermuxMilhousePunkRock: hack06:26
JucatoVermux: it can't be accessed from the outside06:26
MilhousePunkRockVermux: If that is your concern, don't store passwords at all...06:26
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ubotuurli: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.06:27
JucatoVermux: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdeutils/kwallet/06:27
MilhousePunkRockVermux: In that case, KWallet is not for you...06:27
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majnoonok i upgraded to gutsyTRYING to get kde4 to run it gives me some kind of gtk setuid error06:27
MilhousePunkRockIt seems reasonably safe though, I can't remember it ever asked wether to save my sudo password, for example...06:28
VermuxMilhousePunkRock: ok06:28
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MilhousePunkRockmajnoon: Gutsy is in #ubuntu+106:28
VermuxMilhousePunkRock: isnt is encrypted?06:28
JucatoVermux: it only saves your passwords for certain services. it doesn't save your password for your user/sudo06:28
majnoonthis a kde question me think06:28
MilhousePunkRockVermux: I am pretty sure it is encrypted... This is Linux after all...06:28
Jucatobasically only for web services. you trust Google/Yahoo/MSN more than your own computer?06:28
majnoonplus i asked in there too (waiting for answer)06:29
VermuxMilhousePunkRock: are u implying that linx is more safe than win06:29
majnoonMilhousePunkRock, plus i asked in there too (waiting for answer)06:29
MilhousePunkRockVermux: To start with the fact that you do not have admin rights in your everyday work, yes...06:30
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majnoonbetter to ask in ALL possible help channels06:30
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feierfoxwill there KDE 3.5.8 be in Kubuntu 7.10?06:30
Dr_WillisI would have to say that Linux is 'safer' then windows. :)06:30
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majnoonit is feierfox06:30
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MilhousePunkRockfeierfox: No such thing as 3.5.8 IIRC06:30
VermuxMilhousePunkRock: also in win u can be regular user06:30
JucatoMilhousePunkRock: there is06:30
feierfoxso what?!06:30
feierfox3.5.8 IS in the RC?!06:31
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Jucatofeierfox: no06:31
MilhousePunkRockVermux: But not by default...06:31
MilhousePunkRockVermux: Referring to XP here, the last Win I used...06:31
VermuxMilhousePunkRock: ok, so in 2 clicks the defuault can be changed06:31
JucatoVermux: Linux also has more a stringent file permission/access system06:31
ubotuPlease don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.06:31
MilhousePunkRockVermux: But noone tells Joe User to do so...06:31
Jucatoanyway, Vermux, MilhousePunkRock: please take it to #kubuntu-offtopic06:31
ubotuHi! Welcome to #kubuntu!06:32
Jucatoit has grown beyond the confines of this channel06:32
Dr_WillisOMG I cant use LOL?06:32
MilhousePunkRockJucato: I'll just stop it here, no need to defend Linux anyway...06:32
MilhousePunkRockVermux: As a final sentence, Jucato made a good point about the file permissions...06:33
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VermuxMilhousePunkRock: do what the boss says, cannot talk freely here06:34
JucatoMilhousePunkRock:  btw, "KWallet saves this sensitive data for you in a strongly encrypted file, accessible by all applications, and protected with a master password that you define."06:34
JucatoVermux: that's for you too ^^^06:34
Jucato(if you even read the link I gave earlier)06:34
MilhousePunkRockJucato: Any details on the encryption?06:34
Jucatonot in the user manual I think06:35
Jucatoalso let me re-emphasize that kwallet does *not* store your user's password (the one you use to login to your computer)06:35
VermuxJucato: thanks, Im sure I will read it in the future. I have to much information to handle at the moment, try to understand programs, kubuntu and general concepts06:36
Dr_Willislearn the fundamentals :) and you cant go wrong06:36
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MilhousePunkRockJucato: Ever noticed that the recovery mode is a huge security hole? Since you can (or could before, maybe that is changed now) empty the file that stores the user passwords...06:36
VermuxDr_Willis: too many programs. how do I learn the fundamentals?06:37
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Jucatoone by one, one step at a time06:37
Dr_Willisphycial access to the machine is a security hole. :)06:37
Jucatoyou don't have to learn them all anyway06:37
Dr_WillisVermux start with the shell work your way up. :)06:37
JucatoMilhousePunkRock: same answer as Dr_Willis06:37
Dr_Willislearning kde/gnome - is the trivial part.06:37
Jucatoyou can either 1) remove the GRUB entry for recovery mode or 2) require a password for recovery mode (don't know how to do this one)06:38
VermuxDr_Willis: I didnt find extensive tuturial for the shell06:38
Dr_Willis'linux is all about Legos and layers' - Software parts (legos) forming Layers of Software. that then has more software on top of it.06:38
Dr_WillisVermux you dident look very good then. theres 1000's of shell tutorials out06:38
Dr_Willis!info abs-guide06:38
ubotuabs-guide: The Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 4.1-1 (feisty), package size 1074 kB, installed size 4332 kB06:38
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Jucatoer.. I doubt he meant "programming06:39
Dr_Willisgoogle for bash tutorial, check out tldp.org  also06:39
ubotuThe linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal06:39
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Dr_WillisThers a learningbash.org site? or somthing i recall also06:39
Dr_Willishad lots of pictures06:39
Vermuxdidnt mean programming at this point06:40
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MilhousePunkRockJucato / Dr_Willis: Good point... I was always thinking about having a USB key as a real key to the computer. Never had the time to even plan it though...06:40
Vermuxbut it is for ubuntu06:41
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JucatoVermux: a shell is a shell, in any distribution06:41
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Jucatothe commands are the same06:41
MilhousePunkRockVermux: "Under the hood" (as in Desktop Enviroment) all *buntus are alike06:41
ubotuFor instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup06:42
Jucatoone of the things that make all distros alike is the shell06:42
MilhousePunkRockJucato: There are different shells though, right? I remember Gentoo even gave me the choice which shell to use06:42
Jucatoyep. but the commands are basically the same06:42
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Jucatosome shells just add different features06:42
Dr_Willisor different default settings06:43
Jucatobut ls, rm, mkdir, etc. ..they're all common06:43
Dr_WillisFancy Prompts. :)06:43
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Jucatobut even similar shells can have different prompts :P06:43
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Dr_Willis!info fish06:43
ubotufish: a friendly interactive shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.22.1-2 (feisty), package size 680 kB, installed size 2760 kB06:43
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JucatoVermux: don't try to take everything in one sitting. learn about things one at a time...06:44
Dr_Willisfish is neat in ways.. annoying in others. :)06:44
Vermuxwaht do u think abour Konsole?06:44
Dr_WillisGather up linux books from the bargin bin tables also at the bookstores.06:44
silkcomI'm trying to figure out how to autostart synergy before login but after X anyone know how?06:44
JucatoI have to experience the world outside of BASH.. even if I haven't even explored BASH :)06:44
Dr_Willisthe console is not a 'shell' its a terminal that givesyou a shell. :)06:44
Dr_Williserr the Konsole :)06:45
JucatoVermux: Konsole is a KDE terminal emulator. it's an app that gives you a shell06:45
Dr_WillisKonsole can have several tabs each with its own shell in it.06:45
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Vermuxso what is the difference between the emulator and a real shell?06:45
ubotuThe linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal06:45
Dr_Willisthere is no 'real shell'06:45
tmske__Hi, I have a tablet: graphire 2 i guess, but I don't have pressure difference in gimp, and if I in the half of the tablet with my pen I'm allready at the end of the desktop, so it doesn't use the full size06:45
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JucatoVermux: technically, a shell is a program. it's a program that interprets commands that you enter06:46
Dr_Willisyears ago there were 'printing terminals' that printed out put to paper. :)  the Terminal programs 'emulate' that sort of device.06:46
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Dr_Willisi rember IRCing on a greenbar printing terminal :)06:47
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about rdp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:47
VermuxJucato:  so what program equivalent to Konsole it's just a shell?06:47
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about remote - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:47
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hydrogenVermux: xterm06:47
poison--u guys know any rdp program instead of rdesktop or krdc?06:47
Dr_WillisKonsole, xterm , rxvt, gnome-terminal, xfce-terminal,06:47
Jucatoanyway, off for the night06:48
poison--l8r Jucato06:48
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ubotuIt is spelt !guTSy :)06:53
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information06:53
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ubotuIt is spelt "FEIsty" :)06:56
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thomas_is it safe to update to gutsy just by setting other sources.list?07:01
MilhousePunkRockthomas_: 1. Gutsy is in #ubuntu+1 2. There is a manual on kubuntu.org in the Beta announcement07:03
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thomax`okay thanx07:03
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xstShouldn't the release-candidate of gutsy be released today?07:06
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milos83i think it should07:06
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ubotuThe Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.07:08
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Vermuxwhen installing a package from the command line, is it being downloaded from the Internet?07:11
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Vermuxfor example: sudo alien package_file.rpm07:11
MilhousePunkRockVermux: If you installed it before, no, if not, yes...07:11
Carnage\On the one hand on your sources-configuration and on the other hand on your cache07:11
MilhousePunkRock!alien | Vermux07:11
ubotuVermux: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)07:11
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Carnage\Vermux: That's not installing...07:12
Carnage\And to use alien, you first have to download the rpm-file manually07:12
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MilhousePunkRockVermux: You should not use alien if you don't have to07:13
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VermuxI meant: sudo apt-get install packagename07:14
Carnage\Vermux: Then, my explanation from above applies07:14
Vermuxwill it install it from the Internet or there is zipped like file already with Kubuntu?07:14
Carnage\Nope, there isn't07:14
Carnage\On your Ubuntu cd, some widespread packages are included07:15
Carnage\So you can install them from the cd07:15
Carnage\But if they aren't available there, you have to download them07:15
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Carnage\But if you have installed them already once, they may reside in your apt cache07:15
Vermuxso this command:sudo apt-get install packagename-  is actually doing 2 things: downloading from the Internet and installing the program?07:16
Carnage\If you solely want to install a debian package, you use dpkg07:16
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Carnage\apt-get serves to "intelligently" acquire the deb package and feed dpkg with it07:16
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USMarineanyone uses Keep ?07:16
stdinVermux: apt is a frontend to dpkg, apt downloads the package and resolves dependencies then hands over to dpkg to actually install them07:16
Carnage\Yep, that sums up my statements :)07:17
Vermuxwhy would I want to install a Debian package?07:17
Carnage\I said _deb_ package07:17
Carnage\That's the extension of those packages07:18
Carnage\Since apt originates from debian, it uses these extensions07:18
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Vermuxexplain "resolve dependencies"?07:18
Carnage\Most packages require other packages, for example libraries07:19
Carnage\Apt tries to ensure that all prerequisites for a package to be installed are established beforehand07:19
stdinVermux: it checks what the package you want to install need to work, then downloads those packages too and installs them with the package07:19
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Vermuxand dphg is the installer07:20
stdindpkg does all the dirty work :)07:21
bazhang:] 07:21
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Vermuxsp APT initiates dpkg after the download?07:22
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USMarinedpkg doesn't care about dependencies07:22
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stdinwell, dpkg does care, it just won't resolve them for you07:23
Vermuxstdin: does apt initiates dpkg automatcally?07:23
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Vermuxcan one work only with Kubuntu doing all usuall work without the need for Win?07:25
stdinwell, I do07:25
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stdinI haven't used windows for years (except for fixing it for others)07:26
USMarineif you like gaming, you'll need windows07:26
MilhousePunkRockVermux: Unless you have very exotic needs, everything's there...07:26
MilhousePunkRockUSMarine: That depends...07:26
dirk_it depends on the games :)07:26
dirk_some games are working very well with kubuntu07:27
USMarinewasn't talking about solitaire -.-07:27
Vermuxwhat about flash? is there any problem with it?07:27
dirk_I play heroes of might and magic 507:27
dirk_for example07:27
USMarineflash works fine07:27
USMarinebut not shockwave07:27
dirk_also I play halflife 2 and cs source07:27
stdinbut that's adobe's fault07:27
Vermuxbecause now Im trying to play a video in flash player and it is very slow07:28
asfaki do, almost everything, exception are very few. What u wanna do ?07:28
MilhousePunkRockasfak: Genomic Sequence Analysis? ;)07:28
Vermuxnothing special at the moment- wwanted to get the concept07:28
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Vermuxso shockwave doesnt work?07:29
USMarineif you want virus, you'll need windows as well07:29
dirk_if you need some windows apps look on www.winehq.com ... there is a database with working apps07:29
MilhousePunkRockasfak: Or even manage all publications I have to cite in a bibliographic software... And I am not learning tex as of yet07:29
dirk_if you need an easy installation tool look for wine-doors it's great07:29
VermuxUSMarine: but a lot of movies are made with shockwave, no?07:31
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USMarinenot many, but if you usually go to miniclip you'll find a few07:31
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USMarineVermux: i migrated to linux because my laptop producer didn't release 64bit drivers07:32
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stdinshockwave is becoming rare, flash can do most things shockwave can do now07:32
asfakMilhousePunkRock, luckily i don't use both this. http://bioinformatics.org/software/ is application for genomic analysis in linux07:32
MilhousePunkRockasfak: I know that site already, thanks anyway...07:33
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VermuxUSMarine: and linux has those drivers?07:33
silkcomI'm interested in running a script after X starts but before login, anyone have any experience or knowhow?07:34
asfaki too am interested on this as being medical person and my studies are more genetic concerned07:34
USMarinesure, everything works out of the box, however in xp i can't go to the internet to get the drivers because the lan/wireless card ain't detected either07:34
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Vermuxgot to go07:35
stdinsilkcom: X will source all the files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ when it starts, that's the place to put it07:35
asfakthe only problem today is, i couldn't play quicktime gsm files embedded on page in any browser, firefox or konq07:35
silkcomstdin , thanks, do I just put an script in the folder?07:36
USMarineVermux: have you tried CompizFusion?07:36
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stdinsilkcom: yeah, it works in a similar way that bash sources ~/.bashrc when it starts07:37
silkcomgotcha, excellent thanks, ill see how it works07:38
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rasmusSorry for stupid question, but is this the right place to ask questions for support?07:41
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stdinthat's what the topic says07:42
rasmusGreat! I managed to delete my system tray from my taskbar, how can i get it back?07:43
stdinrasmus: right click the panel, Add07:44
stdinrasmus: right click the panel, Add Applet to panel > system tray07:44
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silkcomstdin: it didn't work, maybe i'll explain what I'm doing.  I'm trying to setup synergy before login (so I never have to touch the other computer), I think it requires X, but I could be mistaken07:44
rasmusa bit embarassing i didn't see it before ;-)07:45
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stdinsilkcom: does that need to be ran as a user or root?07:46
rasmusAnother thing: i added a second panel at the top of the window. I want to make in thinner but i can't change any properties for it. Everythin i do is applied to the ordinary taskbar at the bottom07:46
silkcomstdin as the user is fine07:46
stdinsilkcom: I'm not too sure if it would work without someone logging in then07:47
rasmuscorrection: window  desktop07:47
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silkcomstdin i can have it run as whoever, it shouldn't make any difference (i don't think)07:48
stdinrasmus: there's a drop down list on the top of the config window07:48
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rasmusokay, is saw something about it in the help menu but i can't seem to find it. I've been trying hard!07:49
stdinsilkcom: I've never used it, so I'm not sure about it. maybe look at "man Xsession" to see if there anything special you need to do to get an X app to work07:49
rasmusI can't find it, sorry. Is there any way to get a screendump showing it?07:50
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stdinsilkcom: I've only ever needed to run services when X starts07:50
silkcomstdin, thanks for the help, i'll keep playin with it.  If nothing else I'll just have the default user autologin07:50
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rasmusstrange enough, everything _not_ concerning the size of the panel affects the panel i want to modify07:52
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stdinrasmus: like this http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4870/cap1qj3.png07:52
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rasmushonestly i don't have it! Maybe i didn't create it right in the first place?07:54
rasmusThe panel i mean07:54
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stdinif you added another panel and not an external taskbar I think there may be a bug that doesn't let you select it to configure it07:55
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pagrasmus, alt+f2 -> " dcop kicker default restart "  and then try configuring the panel again - iirc that might help07:56
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rasmusHorray! Thanx a lot! You made my day! Just found some information about the bug at this place https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdebase/+bug/6892607:57
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xenolhello is there any icq client for terminal?08:00
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pag!info centericq | xenol08:00
ubotuxenol: centericq: A text-mode multi-protocol instant messenger client. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.21.0-18 (feisty), package size 1258 kB, installed size 3064 kB08:00
xenolpag: ty vm dude08:01
stdinxenol: and irssi08:01
xenolstdin: i have  irssi but its irc and icq is plugin afaik08:01
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herowhat is the kde equivalent for revelation password manager?08:12
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ubotuThere are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning08:13
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ubotuForgot your password? Boot into recovery mode. What's the root password? See !sudo. Don't see *** in password prompts? That's normal. Sudo doesn't ask for your password? It remembers you for several minutes. Please use strong passwords, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/StrongPasswords08:15
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heron/m, got it.08:18
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wathek_hello all08:20
BrocawaySono tornato...08:20
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wathek_how could I read the ram or rm files of some radio straming ?08:20
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Aranelhow can I listen shoutcast radios ?08:25
hitmanWillyAranel: amarok can do shoutcast08:26
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hitmanWillyAranel: look under playlists -> radio streams08:27
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AranelhitmanWilly: ok i trying it, thanks :)08:28
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HanzZpaule118: hey :) it's my IP :)08:41
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paule118hi wo isn hier ??08:42
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germanhow do i install java runtim enviroment?08:47
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melomanehi, can someone help me with super grub?08:49
Q-collectivewhat's that?08:50
Q-collectivethe bootloader that saves your day?08:50
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Q-collectiveoh btw, how can I get a more recent version of scribus? 1.2.5 is a tad old08:54
ardchoille!info scribus08:54
ubotuscribus: Open Source Desktop Publishing. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.5.dfsg-5ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 5365 kB, installed size 16000 kB08:54
ardchoilleQ-collective: Compile it yourself?08:54
Q-collectiveI was afraid you were gonna say that08:54
ardchoilleQ-collective: Well, I'm strict with software; if it isn't in the repos, I compile. If I can't compile, I don't use it.08:55
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Q-collectiveardchoille: ok, do you by chance know any other pagemakup software? :)08:58
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ardchoilleQ-collective: I've never done anything like that. I heard scribus is the best, so I would try to compile it if I wanted it. There's probably other items out there for that purpose. Have you tried searching in adept?08:59
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Q-collectivenot yet09:00
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ardchoilleQ-collective: Not sure if it will suffice, but have you tried openoffice writer?09:02
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germani can't install java runtime enviroment!!!09:06
germani i do anything that the guide said and still nothing09:06
germani do what sunjavas page says and nothing09:06
ardchoilleQ-collective: It looks like scribus is in Feisty backports09:06
germanwhen i try to verify if i got java, i dont09:06
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gerardGood evening :)09:10
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prodigowhy when I boot the screen is black?09:20
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fay_elfI would like to know that do firestarter and avclam run well in kubuntu with depencies, even that they are gtk+ apps?09:30
emilsedghfay_elf: all gtk+ applications run in KDE/Kubuntu09:31
emilsedghfay_elf: also you have klamav and kmyfirewall09:31
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fay_elfKde eq's?09:31
stdinand guarddog, another kde firewall frontend09:32
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fay_elfThx a lot09:33
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prodigook anyone here?09:34
jussi01im here09:34
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jussi01!ask | prodigo09:35
ubotuprodigo: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)09:35
ubotuA general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents09:35
prodigoin login what's the difference beteen DFAULT and KDE ??09:35
prodigoI don't get it09:35
prodigowhich one should I use09:35
prodigowhich one is better?09:35
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jussi01prodigo: no difference if kde is yur default09:35
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prodigojussi01: do you know about it?09:35
jussi01default is just a shorcut to whicheer you selected as default09:35
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jussi01s/whicheer/which ever09:36
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prodigoby the way I aks the way I wanna aks09:38
prodigoI hate this --->> < ubotu> prodigo: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)09:39
jussi01!attitude | prodigo09:39
ubotuprodigo: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines09:39
jussi01prodigo: its intended to be helpful and speed things up09:39
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prodigoare you provoquing me?09:40
prodigojussi01: I know how irc works09:40
jussi01prodigo: not at all. Im trying to explain that I was trying to be helpful09:40
prodigonobody is gonna change my behavior09:40
stdinthat's nice, but argue else were09:40
prodigowe don't have to have this conversatino in the first place09:40
ardchoilleLooks like a contender for my ignore list09:40
prodigoI wasn't born yesterday09:41
stdinplease stay on topic09:41
prodigojussi01: and I appreciate it09:41
prodigothe other stuff is unnecessary09:41
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Broc93godnight all!09:43
jussi01goodnight Broc9309:43
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X314Z159well. goodnight people, this is officially the worst birthday ever.09:48
jpatrick!ot | X314Z15909:49
ubotuX314Z159: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!09:49
jpatrickX314Z159: but, you poor thing :(09:49
X314Z159doh >< jpatrick i got confused, I'm used to having the channels the other way around.. ><09:49
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nosrednaekimthat must mean he is  PClinuxOS guy.09:50
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ScorpKingwhen i log in on tty* it sais "You have mail". how can i read that mail?09:54
Neiukehello here09:55
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stdinScorpKing: try typing "mail"09:55
ardchoilleScorpKing: Type "mail" ?09:55
ScorpKinghehe. i see. ty :D09:56
ardchoillehe must have installed mailx or mailutils09:56
stdinyou can use TBird to read it too iirc09:56
ardchoillestdin: Really? Didn't know that09:56
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stdinardchoille: yeah, it calls it "Unix Movemail" or something09:57
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ardchoilleThat's just inter-system mail, right?09:58
ardchoilleNot a full MUA/MTA?09:58
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trevoracer aspire laptop can't enable wifi card.  Anyone can help?09:59
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MinatakuI gotta merge them into one, but three haven't completed testing, so I can't :\10:00
stdinardchoille: think so, I use it for mail from cron and the like10:00
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nosrednaekimtrevor: yo! my dear 5050 user!10:00
MinatakuAnd I'd rather do it all at once, otherwise I have a LOT of moving to do10:00
trevornosrednaekim: !10:00
trevornosrednaekim: I had to format!10:01
nosrednaekimtrevor: what happened?10:01
trevornosrednaekim: I can't remember how we did it!10:01
trevornosrednaekim: I decided to try writing to a configuration to fix the sound, when the answer was staring me in the face...10:01
trevornosrednaekim: linux wouldn't start, so I had to reinstall...10:01
trevornosrednaekim: I put grub on my windows...10:01
trevornosrednaekim: corrupted the harddrive...10:02
nosrednaekimtrevor: 0.o10:02
trevornosrednaekim: yeah...10:02
trevornosrednaekim: So, how did we do this?10:02
nosrednaekimtrevor: did you get windows back?10:02
trevornosrednaekim: Downgraded to XP cause vista was being a bitch about my hard disk...10:02
nosrednaekimtrevor: in other words... you upgraded ;)10:03
trevornosrednaekim: but, Acer doesn't support XP anymore, cause they're too good for it...10:03
trevornosrednaekim: yeah...10:03
nosrednaekimoh really? thats interesting.10:03
nosrednaekimtrevor: anyway... you have an atheros card right?10:03
trevornosrednaekim: yep...  Driver don't work for crap...10:03
nosrednaekimtrevor: ok, install ndiswrapper.10:04
trevorI think I have Acer_acpi set up, but I'm having real problems with ndiswrapper...10:04
trevorndiswrapper acts funny with the driver...10:04
nosrednaekimtrevor: here what?10:05
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trevornosrednaekim: I'm going to try to show you the screen...10:06
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trevorroot@miles:~# ndiswrapper -i /home/trevor/Drivers/Atheros/net5211.inf10:10
trevorinstalling net5211 ...10:10
trevorforcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 6410:10
trevorforcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 6410:10
stdin!paste | trevor10:10
ubotutrevor: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)10:10
trevorforcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 6410:10
trevorforcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 6410:10
trevorforcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 6410:10
trevorforcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 6410:10
trevorforcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 6410:10
trevorAnd, it just keeps going for a while, then stops...10:10
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stdinplease don't do that10:10
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stdindon't paste large post in the channel10:11
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trevorstdin: Do you know what it means, or how to fix it?10:12
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heinkel_111hello...how do I find out if I am running 32 bit or 64 bit version ?10:13
heinkel_111of kubuntu 7.0410:13
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trevorheinkel_111: which did you download?10:13
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heinkel_111i am a bit rusty, but i have both installed10:14
stdintrevor: I don't use ndiswrapper10:14
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heinkel_111trevor: i am not sure which grub entry is for 64 and which is for 32 bit, see my problem?10:14
trevornosrednaekim: You there?10:15
trevorheinkel_111: Yeah...  I'm not sure...10:15
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nosrednaekimtrevor: uhhh yeah.. osrry10:15
andersinheinkel_111: so you have both installed on your computer?10:15
nosrednaekimtrevor: thats fine.....10:15
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nosrednaekimheinkel_111: run "unmae -a"10:15
nosrednaekim*uname -a10:15
nosrednaekimtrevor: those errors are normal and OK10:16
trevornosrednaekim: Okay, so what do I do next?10:16
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nosrednaekimtrevor: do an "lsmod | grep ath"10:16
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nosrednaekimif it returns anything. tell me.10:16
trevornosrednaekim: no..10:17
nosrednaekimtrevor: ok, do a "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper"10:17
trevornosrednaekim: done.10:17
heinkel_111nosrednaekim: "Linux 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP Sun Apr 15 06:17:24 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux"10:17
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nosrednaekimtrevor: try an "iwconfig"10:17
nosrednaekimheinkel_111: 64 bit10:18
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andersinheinkel_111: that means you run the 64bit kernel10:18
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ardchoilleheinkel_111: See the "64" in there?10:18
trevornosrednaekim: it's only listing lo and eth0...  no wlan0...10:18
heinkel_111what if it says "Linux 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP Sun Apr 15 06:17:24 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux"10:18
nosrednaekimtrevor: ummm do a "ndiswrapper -l"10:18
nosrednaekimheinkel_111: 32 but10:18
ardchoilleheinkel_111: That's the 32 bit kernel10:18
trevorheinkel_111: I've noticed that things replace i386, and i686 freely...10:18
ardchoilleheinkel_111: Are you on Feisty?10:19
heinkel_111i686 = 32 bit and x86_64 = 64 bit10:19
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heinkel_111yes this should be feisty10:19
trevornet5211 : driver installed10:19
trevor        device (168C:001C) present (alternate driver: ath_pci)10:19
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ardchoilleheinkel_111: Then you need to update your 32bit kernel.10:19
ScorpKinginternet in konq is working again today. i added static dns servers in resolve.conf. if i let the dailup connection get dns it sais the dns might be invallid but that's the only time internet works in konq. if i give the dailup static dns konq don't have internet. i run the dailup as non root. wtf?10:19
WaltzingAlongheinkel_111: yes. uname reports what has been installed, not necessarily only what your cpu can do10:19
trevornosrednaekim: There...10:20
heinkel_111ardchoille why do I need to update?10:20
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nosrednaekimtrevor: ok, do a "lsmod | grep ndis"10:20
ardchoilleheinkel_111: Because I'm on Feisty and I have:   Linux localhost 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP10:21
heinkel_111ah ok10:21
trevorndiswrapper and usbcore...10:21
heinkel_111that is not a big deal, this machine has been down for 4 months and only missed one point release of the kerenel.... :)10:21
heinkel_111thanks everyone10:22
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andersinheinkel_111: by the way, you can test individual libraries with file10:22
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)10:22
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about teethpaste - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi10:23
andersinheinkel_111: which results in something like  /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4.2.0: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object10:23
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trevornosrednaekim: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40302/10:24
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nosrednaekimtrevor: huh... thats odd... no ath0?10:24
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trevornosrednaekim: nope...10:24
trevornosrednaekim: why I tried to alias...10:25
MinatakuActually, I believe the kernel is well into 2.6.2310:25
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andersin2.6.23 has just been released 2 days ago10:26
nosrednaekimtrevor: there was no need to alias that....10:26
MinatakuMy bad10:26
heinkel_111andersin: nice one10:26
MinatakuI was close, though10:26
nosrednaekimtrevor: interesting. though10:26
trevornosrednaekim: whoops...10:26
trevornosrednaekim: So, now what?10:26
nosrednaekimtrevor: I don't think you messed anything up.10:26
nosrednaekimis the little light on in the front of your computer>10:27
nosrednaekimfor the wireless?10:27
trevornosrednaekim: no...10:27
heinkel_111I liked this: file /bin/gunzip -->/bin/gunzip: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped10:27
nosrednaekimtrevor: flick the switch10:27
trevornosrednaekim: nothin'...10:27
nosrednaekimtrevor: hmm ok, now what you need to do is turn off your computer, and pull out the battery  and AC for about 1 minute. th10:28
heinkel_111by the way, what is the name for the nvidia control panel again?10:28
trevornosrednaekim: then ewhat?10:28
heinkel_111thank you andersin :)10:29
nosrednaekimtrevthen plug everything back in and reboot10:29
nosrednaekimtrevor: thats to reset your wifi power.10:29
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trevornosrednaekim: okay...  You gonna be here when i get back? ^.^10:30
waylandbillis there something I can put in cron table to log current x session user off at a certain time? put /etc/init.d/kdm restart in there, but it locks the computer up. :-O10:30
nosrednaekimtrevor: i'll try10:30
trevornosrednaekim: Okay.. ^.^10:30
andersindoes anybody here have a dual-head setup?10:30
vbgunzanyone know if it is possible to use the gecko engine in konqueror?10:31
nosrednaekimvbgunz: you can10:31
andersinnow that is just mean, nosrednaekim10:32
vbgunzis it possible?10:32
andersinit is filed as http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4831110:33
xeviousi believe konqueror renders pages more accurately, anyway10:33
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andersinso why do you want gecko?10:34
vbgunzI don't use the gmail interface but one day I needed to log in and it just didn't work in konqueror10:34
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vbgunzalso googles reader didn't work, but it works in firefox10:35
compilerwriterI have downloaded an iso and in the folder with the download is a file that is the md5 checksum.  What program should I use to verify the checksums?10:35
xeviousoh wow10:35
xeviousyeah gmail sure doesnt work in konq10:35
WaltzingAlongcompilerwriter: md5sum10:35
vbgunzconsidering they're both open source, it would be nice if I could switch engines like the user agent if the need arises10:35
WaltzingAlonggmail works just fine in kde (konqueror) 3.5.7 on my machine10:35
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compilerwriterDo I fire md5sum up in a terminal or is it somewhere in this desktop of mine?10:36
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vbgunzI have 3.5.6. still using fiesty with default repos10:36
andersinwell what you can do is click on "Location->Open With firefox"10:36
trevornosrednaekim: back...10:36
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nosrednaekimtrevor: is the light on now?10:36
VermuxWaltzingAlong: gmail dowsnt work fine10:36
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vbgunzandersin, thanks for that link, that sure helps clue me in to a possibility10:36
WaltzingAlongVermux: what is not working well about it?10:36
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trevornosrednaekim: no.10:37
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nosrednaekimtrevor: huh..... its probably acer_acpi messing things up. I never used it. uninstall it or blacklist it10:37
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trevorBut I need it...10:38
trevornosrednaekim: I used it the last time...10:38
nosrednaekimwhat for?10:38
trevornosrednaekim: you have a 5050 right?10:38
nosrednaekimtrevor: yeah10:38
trevornosrednaekim: and you don't need it?10:38
nosrednaekimnope... never used it10:38
andersinvbgunz: If you have firefox installed, then you can click "open with firefox" from the "Location" menu10:38
VermuxWaltzingAlong: the chat isnt working, also the animation is different10:38
trevornosrednaekim: Did your's come with vista?10:39
andersinsorry, vbgnuz, got confused with the nicks10:39
nosrednaekimtrevor: no... but I did get an express-upgrade10:39
nosrednaekimtrevor: and I have upgraded the BIOS10:39
vbgunzandersin: I do have firefox but would like someting like that without the actual firefox overhead :)10:39
compilerwriternext question when using md5sum on an iso file do I need to do it in binary mode?10:39
trevornosrednaekim: Okay.  I called up acer yesterday about the driver not wanting to work, but they said they didn't support the driver on their site...10:40
nosrednaekimtrevor: the windows one?10:40
VermuxWaltzingAlong: I c now also that it is very slow10:40
trevornosrednaekim: I thought the wifi stuff ran through the acpi...10:40
nosrednaekimtrevor: well, its the correct one as thats where I got mine from10:40
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andersinvbgunz: well, I am not sure how much overhead firefox is, I use it that way occasionally and it is ok10:40
trevornosrednaekim: Well, why the hell won't it work for me?!10:41
andersinvbgunz: depends on how often you need to use it though10:41
trevornosrednaekim: I'm getting mad at acer...10:41
nosrednaekimtrevor: heh... why don't you try upgrading to gutsy?10:41
WaltzingAlongVermux: ok so 'does not work' means 'very slow', got it10:41
trevornosrednaekim: You think that would help?10:41
nosrednaekimtrevor: it works well here, both wireless and sound are perfect10:41
trevorWell, I fixed the sound...10:41
trevorI'll be back..10:41
xevioushow is gutsy?10:41
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nosrednaekimxevious: great10:42
nosrednaekimtrevor: I suggest a fresh install10:42
xeviousdoes a dist-upgrade from feisty go smoothly?10:42
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andersinxevious: I did dist-upgrade and it worked10:42
VermuxWaltzingAlong: no, it means the chat isnt working too10:42
WaltzingAlongxevious: i did and it worked well here too10:42
xeviousooh. we have a release candidate as of today10:42
andersinxevious: you use dolphin at the moment?10:42
Daisuke_Laptopxevious: it went smoothly for me aside from having to do a manual grub update10:42
trevorWell, I don't have any thing to loose, I guess..10:43
Daisuke_Laptophaven't had to since10:43
WaltzingAlongVermux: ok. chat is an addon to google's webmail through gmail10:43
xeviousanderson: no, but i'm pretty pumped for that change10:43
trevorI haven't even got a chance to customize this yet...10:43
WaltzingAlongbut anyway10:43
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nosrednaekimdolpin is pretty nice10:43
Daisuke_Laptoptrevor: hint: put /home on a separate partition so you don't lose as much if you do have to install for whatever reason10:43
andersinxevious: ok10:43
VermuxWaltzingAlong: it is enabled, but it doesnt work10:43
andersintrevor: second that. /home on an extra partition is super10:44
trevorDaisuke_Laptop: I haven't even had a chance to put anything there yet, but thanks for the help...10:44
Daisuke_Laptopjust a note for future reference10:44
trevorHey.  Could I use a fat or ntfs system on home?10:44
xevious /home on a 1.2tb raid5 array is super10:44
andersintrevor: changed from gentoo to kubuntu leaving home intact and it was smooth sailing10:44
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trevorLike, and reset the environment variables in xp to look there for my documents?10:44
andersinxevious: sure, only I do not want to carry an extra bagpack for the disks next to my laptop =)10:45
Daisuke_Laptoptrevor: it isn't recommended for obvious reasons10:45
xeviousandersin: hehe, good point10:45
coreymon77whens gutsy expected?10:45
nosrednaekimtrevor: no.. that doesn't work well10:45
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Daisuke_Laptoprc today, apparently10:45
xeviouscoreymon77: we got a RC today. so soon. when it's ready.10:45
nosrednaekimtrevor: just install ext3 drivers for windows.10:45
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andersintrevor: ntfs is difficult to setup, since you need fuse for write support and fat does not work well with permissions10:45
stdincoreymon77: RC's up now i think http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/gutsy/10:46
Daisuke_Laptop18th in theory10:46
Daisuke_Laptopbut this isn't theory, it's real life10:46
trevornosrednaekim: Where do I get them?  I've found programs, but I want the drive to be real...10:46
nosrednaekimtrevor: google it...10:46
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xeviousmy drummer's girlfriend keeps hitting on me10:47
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VermuxKonqueror is not supported by gmail10:47
andersintrevor: just make your home drive fat10:47
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nosrednaekimtrevor: and I have to go. if you have any issues, email me at nosrednaekim@gmail.com10:47
andersintrevor: that is a little easier10:47
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nosrednaekimandersin: that doesn't work very well10:47
Daisuke_Laptopooooh, new intel video driver :D10:48
schwizhello anyone got time to help a complete noob ?  :P10:48
xeviousi'd strongly recommend NOT doing fat for your home drive10:48
nosrednaekimDaisuke_Laptop: from where?10:48
andersinnosretnaekim: true but arguably better than /10:48
xeviousschwiz: let me have a cigarette first, then i'd love to10:48
Daisuke_Laptopnosrednaekim: gutsy, doing an update10:48
schwizcool beans just pm me when you ready :)10:48
xeviousright on10:48
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nosrednaekimDaisuke_Laptop: cool, I'm waiting impatiently for the new ATI driver10:48
andersinschwiz: ask the question so we can all have a go =)10:49
xeviousschwiz: you gotta register with nickserv to be able to do private messages10:49
Daisuke_Laptopschwiz: other people may be having the same issue, please ask support questions in the channel.  and remember that there are no stupid questions10:49
xeviousschwiz: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup10:50
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nosrednaekimtrevor: I have to go... good luck10:50
minnozzwhat could cause the error " Oct 11 22:39:05 ammobox kdm_greet[10807] : Internal error: memory corruption detected"10:51
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trevornosrednaekim: Thanks!10:51
Daisuke_Laptopminnozz: memory corruption?10:51
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minnozzDaisuke_Laptop: hmm for some reason I thought that too =)10:53
minnozzbut is it a software or a hardware error?10:53
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trevorOkay...  Concensus on best thing to do with the home directory?10:53
andersinminnozz: you can boot in the memtest kernel and try...10:53
minnozzandersin: I did that a while ago without errors10:53
minnozzbut I'll try10:53
trevorCould I mount the document drive to a point on home?10:53
trevorlike /home/trevor/docs10:54
andersintrevor: that is probably best10:54
trevorLike I do with windows in the media folder?10:54
Daisuke_Laptoptrevor: that you can do, and is a good idea10:54
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trevorNow...  EXT3?10:54
Daisuke_Laptopi do that with my laptop (mount nfs shares in directories residing in my home directory10:54
Daisuke_Laptopext3 for home, definitely10:54
trevorI don't need the whole of home...10:55
trevorJust documents and stuff...10:55
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trevorThat way, I can get to them from both windows and linux...10:55
andersinwe can start arguing about ext vs reiser =)10:55
trevorI'm scared of reiser, so let's not...10:55
Daisuke_Laptopandersin: i would prefer a non-murderous filesystem.10:56
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lovrehow do i set the resolution in kubuntu?10:57
KlownerAnyone know if Amarok has an option to rip a cd to the harddrive?10:57
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poison--guys, can i add a folder with *.deb packages to adept or synaptic so i dont need to download them again?10:58
Daisuke_LaptopKlowner: open konqueror10:58
Daisuke_Laptopand with an audio cd in the drive, type audiocd:/ in the address/location bar10:59
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poison--guys, can i add a folder with *.deb packages to adept or synaptic so i dont need to download them again?10:59
Daisuke_Laptop...i think, i don't do that often...10:59
KlownerDaisuke_Laptop: ahh, then just.. drag the ogg or mp3 fake-folder things to my music library?10:59
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Daisuke_Laptopthat'll take care of ripping and everything else11:00
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Daisuke_Laptopshould properly tag, as well11:00
KlownerDaisuke_Laptop: cool, thank you. It'd be cool if they just added a simple little copy button to amarok. Oh well, this is easy enough11:00
Daisuke_Laptopi don't know that amarok doesn't have tht11:01
Daisuke_Laptopnever tried11:01
lovrehow do i change resolution, any1?11:01
trevorDesktop configuration?11:01
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto11:01
lovrei dont see it11:02
schwizmmm at the boot screen there is an option..11:02
schwizI can't get past the boot screen though lol11:02
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strog_how can u change your bootspash11:02
ubotuTo select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork11:02
lovreDaisuke_Laptop: thats about fixing problems, im asking normal screen resolution changing?11:03
Daisuke_Laptopyou're better off waiting for gutsy to go final though11:03
Daisuke_Laptoplovre: if you can't change your resolution, there's a problem.11:03
Daisuke_Laptopctrl+alt+(+/-) would normally do it11:03
lovreDaisuke_Laptop: i could, if i just knew how. Im new to linux, and i dont know where that option is11:04
schwizanyone know how to fix this problem, When i try to boot with the live CD, after the boot menu my screen goes blank.  I have an 8800 Ultra11:04
lovreDaisuke_Laptop: :D11:04
xeviousschwiz: i just realized it was later than i thought and i have a gig in an hour11:04
Daisuke_Laptopwell then11:04
Daisuke_Laptopsystem settings > monitor and display11:04
xeviousschwiz: which boot screen? from the CD or after you've installed?11:04
schwizfrom the cd, i can't install11:04
schwizI see the CD boot menu, I press 1 to boot/install and after it loads the screen is blank11:05
xeviousschwiz: which version, feisty or gutsy?11:05
xeviousschwiz: (7.04 or 7.10)11:05
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schwizlet me find out one sec11:05
lovreDaisuke_Laptop: thank you very much11:05
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lontradoes kubuntu still have a crippled konqueror profile in 7.10?11:06
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Daisuke_Laptopyou're welcome11:06
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blekoscan anyone tell me how i can *easily* syncronize my PDA with kmail?11:07
xeviousschwiz: well. i'd give the 7.10 release candidate a try, see if that fixes things. how's your monitor connected? rgb or dvi?11:07
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xeviousgreets, anto11:08
schwizDVI, Where do I get the 7.10 release I only noticed this one version (besides the server version)11:08
xeviousschwiz: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/gutsy/11:09
xeviousschwiz: i know with the binary nvidia driver there's been a problem where it defaults to a TV out when the monitor's plugged in by DVI, but wouldn't think that applies to the vesa driver that the install CD uses.11:10
xeviousschwiz: but give that gutsy CD a try, i gotta run to my gig11:10
lontraanyone know if konqi will have a crippled profile in 7.10?11:11
schwizcould it be because i got the amd64 release?  I have an intel Q6600 I wanted to take advantage of?11:11
lontrai guess i mean simplified ... but it's crippled imo11:11
andersinlontra: probably, but I am not sure11:11
lontraandersin: thanks11:11
xeviousschwiz: i run amd64, it detected my server's onboard 6150 a-ok11:11
Vermuxhow do I view repositories in Adept?11:12
schwizcool i didn't think it would be a problem just wanted to make sure before i downloaded the 7.10 amd64 version :)11:12
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xeviousschwiz: running amd64 can make using flash and things a little more complex, just to warn you11:13
Vermuxdoes somebody know how can I view repositories in Adept?11:13
xeviousschwiz: and at this point there really isnt a performance increase unless you need to crunch 64bit numbers11:13
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andersinVermux: "adept" "manage repositories"11:13
xeviousschwiz: good luck. i'll be back on here late tonight11:14
Vermuxit gives me a window: software resources"11:14
antoandersin: i reinstalled today back to 32Bit kubuntu and had help from another guy now everything is working except for one thing11:14
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antoschwiz: Watchout when downloading the amd64 version, you will lose alot of programs11:15
Vermuxandersin: where can I view them?11:15
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antoschwiz: i personaly made that misstake before11:15
andersinanto: hi11:15
andersinVermux: /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.d/*11:16
Vermuxandersin: what is this? I meant graphically11:16
antoandersin: how do i setup the x-tra buttons on my board such as the www , next song, previus song play/pause?11:16
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antovermux, sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list11:17
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antovermux, that will show you a list in kate editor program11:17
andersinanto: which keyboard?11:17
antoandersin, BenQ11:18
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andersinanto: in system settings you find "Regional and Languages"11:19
VermuxIm trying to follow the following steps:11:19
andersinanto: in there is keyboard layout11:19
VermuxStart Adept by choosing K Menu->System->Adept (Package Manager) from the Desktop menu system.11:19
VermuxSelect View->Manage Repositories in the Adept package manager window.11:19
VermuxTo enable the Universe repository, find the repository line with the Universe Component, and right click the line and select Enable.11:19
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andersinanto: see if your model is supported11:19
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andersinanto: also check the generic intl keyboards11:19
antoandersin: dose not look like it11:19
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Vermuxwhen I click on manage repositories "softwre siurces window opens11:22
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Vermuxwho can help to clrify these without going into text editors and command prompt at this point11:22
henrik__hey guys, can anyone tell me how i can mount a .iso file? been looking around, but nothing I try works.. :/11:22
andersinanto: well the best way is probably google11:22
andersinanto: if that fails I talk you through rolling your own11:22
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Vermuxnobody knows how to view repositories with Adept?  this is wiered11:23
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antoandersin: i don't think you realy understood my problem11:23
andersinanto: you have extra keys on your keyboard that you want to have do something11:23
antoandersin: the keyboard works fine with the layout but i want the accessori buttons to work such as play/pause, next song, previus song, open Firefox Etc11:24
antoandersin:  Okej you do understand what i want to do but i don't understand what you want me to try11:24
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yamal!iso | henrik__11:24
ubotuhenrik__: To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.11:24
andersinanto: ok, fire up xev in a console11:24
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andersinanto: and then press one of these buttons11:24
lovrei messed up. I cant install my graphics card driver. Installation says i can install it while running X. What should i do?11:25
lovrecan i quit X and use only console?11:25
andersinanto: look for something like keycode 174 (keysym 0x1008ff11, XF86AudioLowerVolume)11:25
SheeEttinlovre: recovery mode?11:25
lovrerecovery mode is console only?11:25
lovreok ill try, be back in few minutes11:25
andersinlovre: ALT+CTRL+F1, log in, /etc/init.d/kdm stop11:26
anto164 is stop11:26
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antoandersin: 164 is the stop keycode11:26
andersinok, does it have a keysymbol?11:26
andersinor does it say keysym 0x0, NoSymbol11:27
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antoandersin: the media buttons work but only when i have got focus on that X screen ( i got two screens is it possible to make them work when i got focus on the other screen)?11:28
Vermuxhow can I view repositories in Adept?11:28
antoandersin: when i try WWW button "state 0x10, keycode 130 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES,"11:28
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andersinanto: ok, so to decode that it reports a key that X does not know what to make of11:29
antoHow do i tell X what to do with the keycode ?11:29
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andersinanto: can you tell me the other keys that do not work, please11:30
andersinthe best is probably to try the keyboard models that are in X and see if one works for you11:31
antoandersin: that is not my main concern11:31
antoandersin: i want the media buttons to work when i have got focus on another X server11:31
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antoi'm runing seperate X servers for the screens11:32
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andersinanto: so you have 2 monitors, or 2 users?11:32
anto2 monitors11:32
andersinanto: and on each you have a separate X server with different users?11:33
Vermuxwho knows how to see repositories in Adept manager?11:33
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antoandersin: no i have the same user11:33
andersinVermux: under the adept menu "manage repositories"11:33
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andersinanto: so why the 2 servers?11:34
antoIts hard to explain11:34
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andersinanto: are they on separate graphics cards?11:34
antoandersin: No11:34
Vermuxandersin: but when I click on it a window opens :software resources" I dont c any repositories!!11:34
andersinanto: cause the nvidia cards should be able to drive 2 monitors11:34
antoandersin: i know that because i'm already using 2 moniters11:35
ubunturosI installed tomcat5 on 6.06.1 and it couldn't find JDK. I pointed it to JDK through the file, /etc/default/tomcat511:35
ubunturoshowever, all of them begin with a # (assuming this is for comments)11:35
antoandersin: the problem is when i got amarok on one server and i got focus on the other server and want to change songs using the keyboard media keys without changeing focus11:35
ubunturoshow do I test if my tomcat5 is running?11:35
ubunturosand on what port does it run11:36
antoandersin: if that makes sence to you of course11:36
andersinVermux: what do you see?11:36
antoubunturos: ps ax | grep tomcat511:36
andersinanto: is it not possible to use only one server?11:36
antoandersin: yes it is but then its a real mess with windows and stuff11:36
andersinanto: sounds that you want a plain dual-head setup11:36
ubunturosanto: the process is running, but how do I test a sample page11:36
andersinanto: that I do not understand11:37
ubunturosanto: I'm unaware of the port it is running on11:37
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Vermuxandersin: "SOftware Resources" window with the following tabs: kubuntu software, third party software, updates, authentication, statistics!!11:37
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andersinthats it11:37
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andersinVermux: thats it11:37
antoubunturos: sudo apt-get install nmap then use ifconfig to find our your ip then write nmap <your ip> and it will show up.11:37
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antoubunturos: else just google for the standard port of it and try that11:38
andersinVermux: the standard repositories "hide" behind the chekboxes11:38
VermuxI want to do this but dont c any repository: find the repository line that starts with "cdrom:", right click the line, and select Disable11:38
andersinVermux: ah11:38
ubunturosanto: the port on windows is 8080, tried that, doesn't work11:38
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antoandersin: ill talk more tomorrow school tomorrow11:39
antoubunturos: actualy the default port is 80 if i'm not wrong11:39
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ubunturosanto: is nmap compulsory?11:39
ubunturosanto: Apache's running on that11:39
ubunturosanto: Tomcat has to run on top of it11:39
andersinVermux: you sure that the cdrom line is in there11:39
antoubunturos: nmap is what i use to see what ports are runing on a certain ip or scan the network11:39
antoubunturos: its got nothing to do with the actual tomcat process11:40
andersindo a grep -i cdrom /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.d/*11:40
ubunturosanto: umm. ok11:40
Vermuxanto: is the source code box has to be checked or not?11:40
antoubunturos: best of luck mate i'm going to bed dam school otmorrow11:40
Vermuxandersin:  I dont c any cdrom line11:40
antoVermux: ask andersin instead i'm going to bed11:40
ubunturosanto: ok, thanks. Good Night :)11:40
Vermuxandersin: does the source code box has to be checked?11:41
andersinVermux: what do you want to do11:41
andersinVermux: it only needs to be checked if you need the source code11:41
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Vermuxandersin: I dont remember what the default was and if I changed it11:41
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andersinthe default where you get the packages from?11:42
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sugionoi want to help11:42
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Vermuxandersin: Im trying to follow the instruction :"find the repository line that starts with "cdrom:", right click the line, and select Disable". where is the list?11:44
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andersinVermux: maybe you do not need that. What instructions are those?11:44
Vermuxfrom the basic guide to kubuntu11:45
Vermuxandersin: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/extra-repositories.html11:45
Vermuxit is frustrating, the documentation is so poor11:46
andersinare you running 6.10?11:46
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lovreive really done it now. I have a nVidia 7900GS graphics card, and im having problems installing the drivers (first time driver installing in linux for me)11:47
lovrecan some1 help plz11:47
andersinVermux: does adept ask you for a cdrom when you want to update?11:47
andersinlovre: if you wait for gutsy, it has a restricted manages for these things11:48
andersinlovre: otherwise you need to do 3 things11:49
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andersinlovre: 1. edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, find the line that reads Driver "nv" or Driver "vesa" and replace it with Driver "nvidia"11:50
andersinlovre: 2. install linux-restricted-modules-common and nvidia-glx11:50
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andersinlovre: 3. cross your fingers and restart X11:50
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andersinVermux: you still there?11:51
Vermuxyes, sec11:51
dumnut_hi, i am in process of loading kubuntu disk, it said "file:cdrom/pool/main/u/utils-linux/bsdutils_2.125-4ubuntu6_i386.deb was corrupt, cvould not download package bsutils & liliu28", and now it hangs at "installing the base system udev", is ther any way i can continue or do i need to order another disk from kubunt?11:53
lovreandersin: install linux-restricted-modules-common and nvidia-glx ----- how do i do that?11:53
Vermuxandersin: it does not ask me for cdrom11:53
andersinlovre: can you open konsole please11:53
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andersinVermux: well, skip it then11:54
Vermuxandersin: however, I just wanted to follow these instructions but the explanation is so bad11:54
lovreandersin: yes11:54
andersinlovre: ok, type sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-common11:54
Vermuxandersin: my questions is where is the list of all depositories??11:54
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andersinVermux: 2 sources11:55
andersinVermux: /etc/apt/sources.list11:55
andersinVermux: and all files in /etc/apt/sources.d11:55
pcrtechcan you do software raid of firewire hard drives?11:55
lovreandersin: i get this error:11:55
lovreE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - o                        pen (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)11:55
lovreE: Unable to lock the administration directo                        ry (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process usin                        g it?11:55
andersinVermux: you should see lines like deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted11:56
andersinlovre: close the install program first11:56
lovreandersin: what install program?11:56
lovreandersin: im not running anything11:57
Vermuxthe first file is empty11:57
andersinlovre: that error means that some other program is busy installing/removing software11:57
lzfyhello everyone11:57
andersinVermux: anything that starts with deb in the other files?11:58
pcrtechi think there is a dpkg command to unlock the repositories and library11:58
ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 11:58
Vermuxwhat other file11:58
lovreandersin: seems adept manager is running but i cant kill it11:58
Vermuxandersin:  this is the only file I havesources.list.d11:58
andersintry kill -911:58
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Vermuxandersin:   sources.list.d11:58
andersinVermux: sources.list.d should be a directory11:59
lovreandersin: not working. How can i get the list of processes with they ID to kill them?11:59
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andersinlovre: ps -ef11:59
ardchoillelovre: ps aux | grep adept_manager11:59
Vermuxandersin:  there are no files there11:59
stdinlovre: try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a11:59
Vermuxandersin:  it is empty directory11:59
lovrestdin: what does that do?12:00
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pcrtechunlocks the repos12:00
stdinlovre: kills anything locking the database12:00
andersinVermux: so you have no file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d and no content in /etc/apt/sources.list12:00
andersinVermux: does that sum up the situation12:00
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pcrtechis it possible to do software raid with firewire hard drives?12:01
Vermuxandersin:  I have only the first directory u wrote. the 2nd one I do not have12:01
pcrtechi have three drives i want to raid together (2x200gb in RAID 0 and then those two RAID 1 to a 400gb)12:01
andersinVermux: ok, so in short you have no repository set up12:02
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Vermuxandersin: ok, but why it doesnt say about it in the documentation?12:02
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu12:02
andersinVermux: what happens if you do sudo apt-get update from a konsole?12:02
andersinVermux: because it took me as a human some time to figure that out, documentation can't do that -)12:03
Vermuxandersin: documentation should do that.12:03
lovreandersin: there was some problem with domino (?wtf?). it instructed me to do: sudo apt-get -f install12:04
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andersinlovre: domino?12:04
lovreandersin: i know, thats wierd, dunno12:04
lovreandersin: maybe it was blocking something or i dunno12:04
andersinVermux: ok, so apart from following the doc to the letter, what did you want to do in the first place that got you to the doc?12:05
andersinlovre: ok, can you install now?12:05
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Vermuxandersin:  Im new in this linux and kubuntu thing. where do I c the repositories and how can I enable this function?12:05
andersinlovre: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-common12:05
lovreandersin: yes, its installing12:05
lovreandersin: now12:05
lovreandersin: linux-restricted-modules-common is already the newest version.12:05
Vermuxandersin:  all I wanted to do is to read about kubuntu- get familiar with it12:05
lovreandersin: should i restart computer now?12:05
andersinlovre: did you edit xorg.conf?12:06
lovreandersin: yes, i wrote nvidia where you said12:06
andersinlovre: try it, and good luck =)12:06
lovreandersin: what are my chances?12:06
Vermuxandersin: it is a problem when something is not explained, or not explained well by official documentation12:07
andersinlovre: if it fails, just switch the line back to the old one in xorg.conf12:07
andersinVermux: when did you install?12:07
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lovreandersin: with my luck, i think ill be changing it. OK, ill brb12:07
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Vermuxandersin: installed a week ago12:07
andersinVermux: to be fair, you use the 6.10 documentation when you installed 7.04, it could just be outdated12:08
andersinVermux: have you taken a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu ?12:08
andersinVermux: that seems to be a much nicer guide to repositories12:08
Vermuxandersin: I need adocumentation for kubuntu12:09
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andersinVermux: Do you need questions answered, do you have problems or do you want an overview of what it can do?12:10
andersinVermux: it is difficult without concrete questions12:11
Vermuxyes, overview. untill now I used the overview for 6.0...12:11
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andersinVermux: anything in particular that you want to do?12:11
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Vermuxandersin: not right now, I need to take a break from it. it is frustrating12:12
Vermuxandersin:  do u recommmend the Ubuntu web site u sent me the link for?12:12
andersinVermux: Well that sites is for a particular problem, namely repositories12:13
YammehWhat's the option on cp that allows me to copy a whole directory to another destination?12:13
andersinVermux: just start using it, if you run into problems, it is much easier to help you to deal with them once we know what they are12:13
Vermuxandersin: Ic. and for general overview?12:13
andersinYammeh: -r12:13
Vermuxandersin: sonds good12:14
andersinVermux: there is not really one, I know that there is a ubuntu book12:14
andersinVermux: but there are so many programs that you cant catch all12:14
Vermuxandersin: this is exactly the problem, and the problem with the whole linux12:14
andersinVermux: tell me what you want to do with it and I can help you12:14
andersinVermux: ok, what do you expect to get out of an overview?12:15
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andersinVermux: maybe if you tell me where you want to end up, I can tell you how to get there =)12:15
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Vermuxandersin: nothing in particular now. I will continue tomorrow. the overview should be similar to the link I sent u, but updated and more self explenatory12:16
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andersinVermux: The link you sent me is one tiny aspect of kubuntu12:16
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Vermuxandersin: I want to end up understanding the concepts behind linux, Kubuntu. Command prompt12:16
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andersinVermux: and to be fair it is the solution to a particular problem12:17
Vermuxandersin:  and beeing able to use it12:17
andersinVermux: ah12:17
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andersinVermux: by concept you mean how to administer it from the command line?12:18
Vermuxandersin: the goal is to know how to use linux and its commands12:18
lovreit didnt work. Im stuch with 640x480 resolution on 19'' monitor :(((((((((((((((((((((((((12:18
andersinlovre: install nvidia-settings and see if you can change the res12:18
Vermuxandersin: yes, administer from the CMD and from GUI12:18
lovreso linux is a pest when it comes to drivers... as i heard...12:19
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lovrei recovered the cfg file to vesa or whatever it is12:19
andersinVermux: ok, the first thing you need to understand then is to build up some understanding of what the command line can do12:19
Vermuxandersin: right12:19
lovrei have to study for tomorrow, and now i cant even read from this monitor :(12:20
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Vermuxandersin:  I have the link for the command line(from ubuntu web site) but didnt have the chance to read it yet12:20
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andersinVermux: I can only recomend to you that you try to use programs until you hit problems and then solve them12:20
Vermuxandersin: so r u suggesting to start with the cmd first and not with the GUI aspects?12:21
lovreandersin: i installed nvidia-settings, but there is nothing in it. No options available12:21
andersinVermux: that way you gradually build up an understanding12:21
lovreandersin: is there anything i can do?12:21
andersinlovre: moment, please12:21
lovreandersin: ok12:21
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Vermuxandersin: and how longshould it take if I invest in it\?12:21
andersinVermux: well first of all get all the applications you need12:22
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andersinVermux: if you want to learn the command prompt12:22
andersinVermux: then I suggest getting familiar with at least an editor and reqular expressions for grep12:22
enjoi1216hey andersin do you know how to install the new Firefox because i just checked and i can't use wine to install it although i can download the fule12:23
Vermuxandersin: I forgot what it is.12:23
andersinit is used to output only lines from a file which match a pattern12:23
andersindo not use the windows version!12:24
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enjoi1216can anyone in this room help me12:24
andersinlovre: are you sure that the nvidia driver is loaded?12:25
ScorpKingVermux: read this when you have some time. maybe it will help - http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.gz12:25
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andersinVermux: the "secret" to administering from the command line is to learn about the different configuration files12:25
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andersinVermux: like that the repositories are listed in /etc/apt/sources.list12:26
Vermuxandersin: thanks, I appreaciate your efforts12:26
lovreandersin: it is NOT loaded, could not boot with that configuration12:26
andersinVermux: the guis then only change the files for you12:26
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andersinah, what was the error?12:26
andersinlovre: ah, what was the error?12:26
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Vermuxandersin: what is guis? also the file names are very confusing and dont make any sense12:27
lovreno error, just a blank screen and nothing happens. i recover the old cfg file and i booted succesfully12:27
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andersincan you paste the log12:28
Vermuxandersin: ok have a good night, talk later12:28
andersinit should be in /var/log/xorg.log.old12:28
andersinVermux: good night12:28
Vermuxandersin: I saved all the link for future reference12:28
Daisuke_Laptoppastebin the log!12:28
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)12:28
andersinScorpKing: thanks for the link!12:29
ScorpKingandersin: uga had a solution - http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/kubuntu-2007-09-27.html12:30
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ScorpKingfor nvidia12:30
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ScorpKingandersin: got that link from uga too. :D12:30
andersinScorpKing: whats uga?12:30
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ScorpKinga nic on irc12:31
ScorpKingnot here tonight.12:31
Col-PanicHi there12:31
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lovreandersin: i followed instructions from ubuntuguide, i did what it asked, except one thing. Its says to add "libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1" to config file. Where do i add it? EOF or BOF or what?12:31
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Col-PanicIs there a way so change the way those tooltips are shown in KDE?12:31
enjoi1216hey andersin what was that weblink again12:31
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enjoi1216because i accidentally closed it12:31
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Col-PanicI'm talking about the animation once, sliding in from left to right, like "K Menu"12:32
Col-Paniconce -> one12:32
enjoi1216i need to one on firefox12:32
andersinlovre: please pastebin the log and the xorg.conf when it did not work12:32
andersinah, sorry12:32
andersinshould have told Vermux about the ubuntu screencasts12:33
lovreandersin: where do i find the log?12:33
andersin<irony>but that might drive him to gnome</irony>12:33
andersinlovre: /var/log/Xorg.log.old12:34
ScorpKingandersin: sorry, wrong irc link. looking for the right one.12:34
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andersinI seem to attract nvidia problem at late hours :-S12:34
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lovreandersin: http://pastebin.com/m77de3904  im going to restart, be right back12:35
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andersinlovre: wait12:36
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andersinlovre: need /etc/X11/xorg.conf12:36
dv_guys, do you think I can install the RC without problems?12:37
dv_my sister's new PC is here. now. I don't want to keep her waiting until oct 18th12:37
andersinyes, but don't blame me if it goes wrong. I upgraded to the beta and it is sweet12:38
andersinThe only problem with the RC is that you have more updates until release12:38
dv_but nothing that breaks the system I suppose12:38
andersini.e. you get update notifications every day12:38
andersinyou in for a fresh install or an update?12:39
andersinsure, go for the rc12:39
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