[12:41] <Minataku> Sorry, Dr_willis X3
[12:42] <SheeEttin> new2ub: Oh, play it. No idea. Use the tagging in Adept to show a list of games and pick out a few good ones.
[12:42] <Minataku> Well, the psmisc tools are designed for process manipulation
[12:42] <Minataku> The command "kill" is actually a misnomer
[12:42] <SheeEttin> He's bound to find one that sounds interesting.
[12:42] <Minataku> Considering that without arguments, it sends SIGTERM
[12:43] <Minataku> Which is "clean but abnormal process termination"
[12:43] <new2ub> SheeEttin, shoot....I just installed all that I thought looked interesting by the title....not much into games myself....he's 10 and loves games on the computer....just figured out how to play battleship and I know he'll love that
[12:43] <Dragnslcr> Is -9 SIGKILL?
[12:43] <Minataku> Yes
[12:43] <Dragnslcr> I can't remember offhand
[12:43] <new2ub> but when I click on the file to read how to play the game, it says it's not there
[12:43] <Minataku> SIGTERM IINM is Signal 15
[12:43] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, sounds about right
[12:44] <Dragnslcr> It's been a while since I did stuff with signals
[12:44] <Minataku> SIGKILL one of two signals that can't be caught, blocked or ignored
[12:44] <Minataku> The kernel basically says to the process "You got signal 9. I'm shuttin' ya down!"
[12:44] <Minataku> Then does so... hopefully
[12:44] <Minataku> lol
[12:44] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[12:45] <Dragnslcr> SIGKILL has often been my best friend
[12:45] <Minataku> Yeah, 99.9% of the time it'll take care of an errant process
[12:45] <SheeEttin> new2ub: Help > KBlackBox Handbook is unhelpful?
[12:45] <Minataku> If it's really stuck, though, 9 won't work, and you're stuck
[12:45] <new2ub> hand book doesn't want to come up
[12:46] <Dragnslcr> There isn't much that won't die from a sigkill
[12:46] <Minataku> Zombies never will
[12:46] <Minataku> But those are usually child process husks
[12:46] <Minataku> They'll get cleaned up when the parent exits
[12:46] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I think killing the parent is supposed to clean up zombies
[12:46] <Minataku> Then there are processes that get completely wedged
[12:47] <Minataku> If it's stuck really bad, then 9 won't close it
[12:47] <Yarou> hmm
[12:47] <Yarou> might be my mirrors
[12:47] <Minataku> And like I said, once that doesn't work, you're pretty much up crap creek
[12:47] <SheeEttin> new2ub: try a reinstall in Adept, it got installed fine for me
[12:47] <Dragnslcr> And that's what the kill button on the front of the case is for
[12:48] <Minataku> No, that's what Magic SysRq is for
[12:48] <Minataku> S S S U B
[12:48] <Yarou> yeah, still slow
[12:48] <Yarou> no matter what
[12:48] <Minataku> Sync, Sync, Sync, Unmount, reBoot
[12:48] <SheeEttin> Not REISUB?
[12:49] <new2ub> I'll try that
[12:50] <Minataku> No, you issue those Magic SysRq commands, in that order, with a delay of about 10 sec between them
[12:50] <Minataku> That's when you get in a situation where you're unable to cleanly shut the machine down
[12:51] <Minataku> That should sync up the filesystems, unmount then remount them read only, then reboot
[12:51] <Minataku> If it all goes to plan, you won't have to fsck on reboot because it gets unmounted cleanly
[12:51] <SheeEttin> fscking my 500 GB drive takes forever >_<
[12:52] <Minataku> Which also reduces the chance that the fs gets corrupted as a result of uncleanly rebooting to about 0
[12:53] <Yarou> man, wtf
[12:53] <Yarou> why is networking so fucked up
[12:53] <Minataku> Hey
[12:53] <Minataku> Watch your f*cking language
[12:53] <Minataku> lol
[12:53] <Yammeh> Is there a way of making a script to loop through all the files in a folder that aren't .avi and delete them? :|
[12:53] <Minataku> Seriously, though
[12:54] <Minataku> There is, yes
[12:54] <Minataku> But I usually just take a cop out and move them all one directory back
[12:54] <Yarou> nobody knows how to configure networking properly
[12:54] <Riddell> Yarou: ls | grep -v avi | xargs rm
[12:55] <Minataku> Then once I've deleted the unwanted files, I move them back into the directory
[12:55] <Riddell> Yammeh rather
[12:55] <Minataku> lol
[12:55] <Yammeh> holy crap
[12:55] <Yammeh> I gotta learn those scripts
[12:55] <Yammeh> Thanks
[12:56] <SheeEttin> I'd rather use grep -v "\.avi$"
[12:56] <Yammeh> Too late :D
[12:56] <Minataku> I'd rather use ls *avi*
[12:56] <Minataku> Or ls *.avi
[12:56] <Yarou> alright, since everyone here is either a retard or a 12 year old
[12:56] <Minataku> Though you have to add -1
[12:56] <SheeEttin> Yeah.
[12:56] <Minataku> So it does one file per line and doesn't add information
[12:56] <SheeEttin> mmm
[12:57] <SheeEttin> But ls usually does that anyway if it thinks it's being piped or something, doesn't it?
[12:57] <Dragnslcr> I assume Yarou meant his desk by "here"
[12:58] <hydrogen> Minataku: that wouldn't help at all
[12:58] <hydrogen> Minataku: how would listing avi files help with removing non avi files?
[12:59] <SheeEttin> grep -v prints non-matching lines
[12:59] <Minataku> Doh
[12:59] <Minataku> I meant ls --ignore-something="*.avi"
[12:59] <Minataku> There's a way to delist things with ls
[12:59] <SheeEttin> But yeah, he didn't use grep...
[12:59] <Minataku> I've forgotten the switch
[12:59] <Minataku> Sorry >.<
[12:59] <kruckmartinc> hi all, just done a fresh install of kubunt, however whenever i try and install something through cmdline it says it can't find the package, and although adept installer shows me all the packages, it won't let me install them - they are simply greyed out, anyone know whats wrong?
[01:02] <abominius> hi
[01:04] <mray> i need help in mounting my NAS drive. does anybody have experience?
[01:05] <matteo> hiall
[01:05] <matteo> in recent updates konqueror puts some ... in teh username
[01:06] <matteo> to obfuscate it?
[01:06] <matteo> myus.....ame@ftp.xxx.org
[01:10] <hydrogen> yes?
[01:17] <ScorpKing> it's a shame Yarou left. maybe sudo mii-tool eth0 will show what's wrong. hehe
[01:19] <DaSkreech> !kasablanca
[01:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kasablanca - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:19] <ScorpKing> or even ethtool might be of some use. :)
[01:20] <ScorpKing> reading - http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialNetworking.html
[01:20] <hasan_> hi guys
[01:20] <ScorpKing> hehe. nite guys.
[01:21] <hasan_> ive got a perl script and i want it to be run another application like kmail
[01:21] <ScorpKing> ugh
[01:21] <hasan_> but whenever kmai tries to lunch it it issues a warning message saying operation is not permitted
[01:21] <ScorpKing> hasan_: use system(apname) for that
[01:21] <hasan_> ?
[01:21] <hasan_> how ?
[01:22] <ScorpKing> just put the line in the script. :)
[01:22] <hasan_> can u say it more explicitely?
[01:22] <hasan_> ???
[01:22] <hasan_> nope
[01:22] <ScorpKing> system('/sbin/shutdown -h -P -time +1 >> /dev/null&');
[01:23] <ScorpKing> thats the one i use to shut my server down. :D
[01:23] <hasan_> for what ?
[01:23] <hasan_> there is no script
[01:23] <hasan_> i launch kmail
[01:23] <hasan_> it should launch the perl script
[01:23] <hasan_> not the other way
[01:23] <hasan_> where am i supposed to write your celever code ?
[01:23] <ScorpKing> lol
[01:24] <yannacko> salut as tous
[01:24] <ScorpKing> so you want to launch kmail from a perl script?
[01:25] <hasan_> nope
[01:25] <hasan_> i want kmail to launch that script
[01:25] <hasan_> it tries to launch it
[01:25] <hasan_> but there is a warning saying operation is not permitted
[01:26] <hasan_> precommand exited with code 1
[01:26] <ScorpKing> then i don't know. hehe :P
[01:26] <hasan_> operation is not permitted
[01:26] <hasan_> is it realted with group and other thing ?
[01:28] <ScorpKing> how do you launch the script with kmail?
[01:29] <Dragnslcr> I didn't even know KMail could run scripts
[01:29] <ScorpKing> me neither. lol
[01:29] <Linus2> Is there a way to / How do you configure Kintact to automatic trash unwanted email messages?
[01:30] <timUR>  How do i install and Enable Accelaration of Ubuntu legacy Nvidia ???
[01:31] <timUR> do u have any idea at all ??? whats so ever??
[01:33] <xevious> timUR: which release of ubuntu?
[01:33] <timUR> 7.10
[01:33] <timUR> it downloads regular .... but it say that my Video card needs legacy
[01:35] <xevious> i use 7.04... i think the restricted drivers installation process changed significantly
[01:35] <timUR> thats ok...
[01:35] <timUR> but how do i enable acceleration
[01:35] <timUR> ???
[01:35] <DaSkreech> mray: What does the NAS support?
[01:36] <DaSkreech> !info kasablanca
[01:36] <timUR> How do i enable acceleration of NV legacy driver ??
[01:36] <ubotu> kasablanca: fast and free ftp client for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.0.2-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 165 kB, installed size 628 kB
[01:36] <xevious> timUR: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty
[01:36] <timUR> this does not tell me how to do it??
[01:36] <timUR> are u kidding me?
[01:36] <xevious> yes it does
[01:37] <DaSkreech> Dragnslcr: Does it need to?
[01:37] <DaSkreech> timUR: #ubuntu+1
[01:37] <xevious> timUR: are you using kubuntu or ubuntu?
[01:38] <xevious> timUR: regardless, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[01:38] <xevious> timUR: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html will tell you which driver you need, based on which card you have
[01:39] <xevious> how many times will i paste that link today?
[01:39] <xevious> that's at least the 5th
[01:40] <timUR> The program 'nvidia-xconfig' can be found in the following packages:
[01:40] <timUR>  * nvidia-xconfig
[01:40] <timUR>  * nvidia-glx
[01:40] <timUR>  * nvidia-glx-new
[01:40] <uga> oh great. When I had an app running just fine under wine, and the app was using proprietary libs, it worked just great. Now that the app uses mozilla stupidity, wine can't run it
[01:40] <uga> isn't it nice
[01:40] <uga> gotta love gecko
[01:41] <timUR> I dont undertand u
[01:41] <timUR> it give me this message when i type 	dia-xconfig
[01:41] <timUR> 'nvidia-xconfig' can be found in the following packages:
[01:41] <timUR>  * nvidia-xconfig
[01:41] <timUR>  * nvidia-glx
[01:41] <timUR>  * nvidia-glx-new
[01:41] <xevious> timUR: are you reading the nvidia binary driver howto?
[01:42] <timUR> yes
[01:42] <xevious> timUR: which nvidia card do you have?
[01:42] <timUR> Geforce 2 mx 400
[01:43] <timUR> And i am using Ubuntu 7.10
[01:43] <hasan_> hi guys
[01:43] <hasan_> how can i add kmail to opening?
[01:43] <hasan_> i mean it should have an icon next to date icon
[01:43] <hasan_> im a newbie linux user
[01:44] <sub[t] rnl> trying to start kmail when you start kde?
[01:44] <xevious> timUR: u need the 96xx series driver which is in the package nvidia-glx
[01:44] <hasan_> when i start unix
[01:44] <hasan_> yep
[01:44] <hasan_> linux
[01:44] <hasan_> kbuntu
[01:44] <timUR> xevious,  I am using 7.10
[01:44] <sub[t] rnl> add it in your ~/.kde/Autostart directory
[01:44] <xevious> timUR: yeah i know
[01:45] <hasan_> what should i add there ?
[01:45] <timUR> so if i click on Download and enable restirected driver manager it automaticly downloads and isntalls nvidia-glx not legacy that is how it suppous to be?
[01:45] <hasan_> what file  ?
[01:45] <hasan_> this is a directroy
[01:45] <xevious> timUR: your card is supported by nvidia-glx
[01:45] <timUR> how do u know ?
[01:45] <timUR> canu give me link?
[01:45] <xevious> timUR: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html
[01:45] <xevious> i gave you that link already
[01:45] <sub[t] rnl> timUR: cd into your .kde/Autostart directory. Then do ln -s /usr/bin/kmail
[01:45] <sub[t] rnl> assuming thats where you have your kmail binary
[01:46] <timUR> The 1.0-96xx driver supports the following set of GPUs:
[01:46] <timUR> so 1.0.96xx means nvidia-glx ?
[01:46] <timUR> right?
[01:46] <xevious> timUR: if you look at the other page i told you to look at, yes
[01:46] <xevious> "nvidia-glx (which corresponds to the 96xx driver)"
[01:47] <timUR> sorry what other page?
[01:47] <xevious> scroll up
[01:47] <sub[t] rnl> hasan_: that was meant for you, sorry
[01:47] <timUR> oh i see thank youvery much
[01:47] <xevious> timUR: you're welcome
[01:48] <DaSkreech> uga: MMMM gecko
[01:48] <uga> DaSkreech: xulrunner... does it sound your ears?
[01:48] <timUR> so in 7.10 i just use restriced driver manager to do that
[01:48] <uga> DaSkreech: it seems the manufacturer has migrated their code to mozilla libs, and now wine cant' run it
[01:48] <DaSkreech> !autostart
[01:48] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[01:49] <DaSkreech> uga: Ah xulrunner is not gecko
[01:49] <xevious> timUR: i'm fairly sure. yeah. i'm not familiar with 7.10
[01:49] <uga> DaSkreech: I believe they'll use gecko this time too, though. They had some web based service in the app, running active x controls before
[01:49] <DaSkreech> uga: upgrade! :)
[01:49] <uga> mozilla is mentioned more than once in their licenses
[01:50] <uga> DaSkreech: I guess you mean downgrade to old version? =)
[01:50] <DaSkreech> xulrunner is still a baby
[01:50] <hasan_> hi
[01:50] <hasan_> im back again
[01:50] <DaSkreech> And It's main focus is Firefox which is a Windows application
[01:50] <hasan_> i ve restarted
[01:50] <hasan_> now kmail starts but not in minimized form
[01:50] <hasan_> i donno how u ccall it
[01:51] <DaSkreech> so there is probbaly going to be a time period before it works nicely with Linux
[01:51] <hasan_> but in tasbar near the date and hour
[01:51] <hasan_> i want it to be there
[01:51] <hydrogen> the entire mozilla framework and suite is a horrible bloated piece of feces
[01:51] <hasan_> how can i do that ?
[01:51] <hasan_> how can i place kmail there?
[01:51] <uga> DaSkreech: lol, not sure if you understand it... the application is a _windows_ one
[01:52] <DaSkreech> uga: once it does so though you have a clear path for nice stuff in the future instead of fearing the next update will use some undoumented activeX hack that will take a month to discover and 8 months to reverse engineer test and perfect
[01:52] <uga> DaSkreech: running under wine. Previously the manufacturer didn't use mozilla, and run just fine under wine
[01:52] <sub[t] rnl> hasan_: I think there is a setting in kmail to have it display a system tray icon
[01:52] <DaSkreech> uga: Yes but xulrunner is cross platform
[01:52] <uga> DaSkreech: now that they "embraced opensource", it sucks =)
[01:52] <uga> I can't run it ;)
[01:52] <DaSkreech> uga: and it will get better :)
[01:52] <hasan_> do u know where it is ?
[01:52] <DaSkreech> uga: Sure downgrade but the move is still a upgrade
[01:52] <hydrogen> it won't get better if it uses xulrunner
[01:52] <uga> hehe
[01:53] <uga> DaSkreech: btw, I loved this comment [01:50]  <DaSkreech> And It's main focus is Firefox which is a Windows application
[01:53] <DaSkreech> It is
[01:53] <uga> you think I should go into #ubuntu or #firefox and paste? ?
[01:53] <uga> =)
[01:53] <DaSkreech> Mozilla makes no bones about it
[01:53] <Chousuke> Firefox is a windows application :(
[01:53] <Chousuke> It's just a portable one
[01:53] <uga> hehe
[01:53] <DaSkreech> It was made for the express purpose of going after IE
[01:53] <hasan_> ok i ve found it
[01:53] <DaSkreech> It just happens to be built on a multi OS framework
[01:53] <hydrogen> it was made as a lightweight alternative to the mozilal suite
[01:53] <hydrogen> it happened to fail at that goal
[01:54] <sub[t] rnl> hasan_: settings tab -> apearance -> system tray
[01:54] <Chousuke> But compared to how it works on Windows, Firefox works like crap on other OSes
[01:54] <hasan_> do i have to remove this symbolic link from Autostart ?
[01:54] <hydrogen> so it decided that taking down IE was a bit more attainable
[01:54] <hydrogen> anyways
[01:54] <hydrogen> everyone should just use opera
[01:54] <DaSkreech> Over the next few iterations I expect it to be A windows App wth a side project as a safari killer
[01:54] <sub[t] rnl> remove the link if you don't want it to start right away
[01:54] <xevious> works fine for me
[01:54] <DaSkreech> Many years from now they will look at the LInux port
[01:54] <hydrogen> which is simply the fastest browser extant
[01:54] <DaSkreech> hydrogen: No it was made as a focused IE kiler
[01:54] <hydrogen> DaSkreech: incorrect
[01:55] <hydrogen> DaSkreech: it became that when they realized it would never be lightweight
[01:55] <DaSkreech> I can go find brendan's blog on the matter
[01:55] <hydrogen> or you know.. responsive
[01:55] <xevious> firefox was launched as mozilla trimmed down to just the browser
[01:55] <xevious> .
[01:55] <DaSkreech> and thunderbird as just the mail
[01:55] <DaSkreech> and screw everythign else i know
[01:55] <DaSkreech>  AmyRose yo!
[01:56] <hydrogen> anyways
[01:56] <hydrogen> use opera, it will make you happy
[01:57] <AmyRose> hi
[01:57] <sub[t] rnl> heya AmyRose
[01:57] <uga> hydrogen: messy app
[01:58] <hydrogen> uga: its much smoother than anything I've seen.. the default style is an eyesore however
[01:58] <hydrogen> thats why there are others out there!
[01:58] <uga> I mean there's too many tools visible by default
[01:58] <xevious> is there a virtual package that installs all the basic dev tools?
[01:58] <uga> easy to get lost
[01:59] <hydrogen> I have no idea what you are talking about..
[01:59] <hydrogen> xevious: build-essential
[01:59] <xevious> there we go
[01:59] <xevious> thanks
[02:00] <uga> hydrogen: remove the opera settings and restart
[02:00] <uga> that's what I'm talking about
[02:01] <uga> it's like trying to find a needle in a 2x2km wide beach
[02:06] <uga> hydrogen: btw, opera on x64 isn't too nice yet
[02:06] <uga> you have to get the statically linked qt, and that won't load your qt styles
[02:07] <DaSkreech> opera is qt4 right?
[02:07] <uga> which ... means... you'll get a nice win95-like widget set
[02:07] <uga> DaSkreech: qt3
[02:07] <uga> DaSkreech: /usr/lib/opera/9.23-20070809.6/opera: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[02:07] <uga> that's from the shared library version
[02:07] <DaSkreech> k
[02:12] <uga> not sure if statically linked qt4 apps can use system styles...
[02:13] <adz21c> i don't believe they can
[02:14] <newsense07> -
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> I don't think so..
[02:16] <sea4ever> Hello, I want to know, how do I set up something to run on startup? Like adding it to the "startup" folder in windows ?
[02:17] <NickPresta> sea4ever, ~/.kde/Autostart
[02:17] <saizai> I have a problem... I get the KDE login prompt on boot, but on login, shows just one konsole and the default desktop background (no kicker etc). If I do ctrl-alt-f2, kill that previous kde session and run "startx -- :0" then it logs me in and works. How can I fix/debug this?
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> sea4ever: get the kcontrol module "autostart"
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> saizai: you have to change you session from "failsafe" to "KDE"
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> saizai: in the login manager
[02:18] <DaSkreech> !autostart
[02:18] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[02:19] <uga> well, the directory is also configureable, under kcontrol->system administration->paths
[02:19] <uga> so it's not necessarily under .kde/Autostart
[02:19] <saizai> nosrednaekim, I think I've tried doing that
[02:19] <saizai> but will doublecheck
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> saizai: you've clicked the little "list" button, gone to sessions, and selected KDE?
[02:20] <saizai> yeah
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> humm... any error messages on that failsafe screen?
[02:21] <saizai> nope
[02:21] <saizai> I can give startup logs, that's about it
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: ahh... I can't wait for this month's ATI drivers
[02:22] <saizai> and the ps faxw output
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> saizai: try reinstalling KDM
[02:22] <newsense07> got a computer running kubuntu that was running ok for a while now all of a sudden it runs very sluggish so i reinstalled kubuntu and have the same problem, any suggestions?
[02:22] <newsense07> bad hdd ?
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> newsense07: maybe bad RAM.
[02:24] <newsense07> nosrednaekim: whats the best way to test this ?
[02:24] <newsense07> nosrednaekim: will memtest86 report bad ram ?
[02:24] <saizai> nosrednaekim, does having just done apt-upgrade with a new KDE version count? :-P
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> newsense07: the liveCD has a memtest86 on it..
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> saizai: is that when it started happening?
[02:25] <newsense07> nosrednaekim: 550mhz thinkpad i got wont boot live cd
[02:25] <newsense07> nosrednaekim: had to use alt cd
[02:25] <saizai> nosrednaekim, heh, no. started a week or two ago
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> newsense07: I think the mem-tester is also on the grub boot menu.
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> saizai: i'd file a bug.
[02:26] <hdevalence> how do I make gtk apps not look really ugly?
[02:27] <hdevalence> on my old box I had ubuntu and then installed kde and they looked fine
[02:27] <newsense07> nosrednaekim: thanks, i think im gonna run it and see what it syas, do you know if the output is pretty straightforward, not a cryptic output kind as  person
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> hdevalence: just a sec
[02:27] <uga> newsense07: I'm thinking it may be that the cpu heats up?
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> newsense07: if nothing appears in the errors box, you are good, if stuff does, you have bad memory. let it run for about a half-hour
[02:28] <uga> newsense07: check if the heatsink is still in place
[02:28] <newsense07> uga: this 500 is cooling this laptop down if anything lol
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> hdevalence: open kcontrol, go to appearance, GTKthemes, and say "apply kde theme to gtk apps" then restart KDE
[02:29] <uga> newsense07: uh? what's 500, the refrigerator model no?
[02:29] <newsense07> uga: hope i dont have to go that far, ibm has sealed this thinkpad up pretty good, tried to open it up once before
[02:29] <newsense07> uga: lmao
[02:29] <uga> newsense07: its' the way I ditched my previous motherboard. It's not fun =)
[02:29] <newsense07> uga: sorry 550mhz
[02:31] <hdevalence> nosrednaekim: But how do I get the GTK apps to look normal, as they would if I were using GNOME?
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> hdevalence: hmm not sure.. but they look great applying the KDE themes to them.
[02:32] <newsense07> hdevalence: gtk themes ?
[02:32] <voidus> is there a set of fonts for KDE? standart ones are ugly
[02:32] <hdevalence> newsense07: where do I get those?
[02:33] <newsense07> hdevalence: http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/923/
[02:33] <newsense07> ?
[02:34] <newsense07> hdevalence: maybe art.gnome.org or google gtk themes
[02:34] <uga> newsense07: do you see anything under /proc/cpuinfo ?
[02:34] <uga> stepping or so
[02:34] <uga> oh wait... uh... 550?
[02:34] <uga> those didn't know anything about stepping yet ;)
[02:34] <uga> they just slowed down when hot, iirc
[02:35] <saizai> ...... I feel so stupid now. It *was* set to failsafe. :-(
[02:35] <newsense07> 3
[02:35] <newsense07> uga:stepping 3
[02:35] <uga> oh
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> saizai: lol
[02:36] <saizai> srsly the logs should say something about that
[02:36] <saizai> I kept looking through it trying to figure out wtf was going wrong
[02:36] <saizai> and couldn't find anything
[02:37] <saizai> ah well. Thank you for pointing out the obvious, nosrednaekim. :-)
[02:37] <newsense07> uga: i want to say its a possible hdd problem, but have no evidence to back it up but seems to be slowest when mounting or accessing files
[02:37] <saizai> now i can actually suspend and not just shut down. :-P
[02:37] <uga> newsense07: did you check the disk with hdparm?
[02:37] <newsense07> uga: i could be totally wrong though, im no hardware wirard but i dabble
[02:37] <uga> dma  enabled?
[02:37] <newsense07> uga: no sorry, i should though
[02:38] <Doctor_Nick> how do i upgrade wine to the latest version
[02:38] <Doctor_Nick> do i have to download the packages myself?
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> !wine
[02:38] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> Doctor_Nick: no.. there is a separate repository
[02:39] <Doctor_Nick> oh
[02:39] <Doctor_Nick> is that the deal with most bleeding edge updates?
[02:39] <newsense07> uga: nothing related about dma from hdparm output
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> Doctor_Nick: yeah.
[02:40] <Doctor_Nick> will this bone my system when i upgrade to feisty?
[02:40] <Doctor_Nick> er
[02:40] <Doctor_Nick> gutsy
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> Doctor_Nick: no, shouldn't.
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> Doctor_Nick: diable the repository first though is it makes you feel better
[02:41] <uga> newsense07: heh, a few  mins back I got shocked when I saw my cpu was running at 1596MHz, according to proc/cpuinfo... I had forgotten about acpi-cpufreq =)
[02:41] <uga> the cpu is 2.4GHz...
[02:42] <BluesKaj> uga , running in on-demand mode
[02:42] <uga> BluesKaj: yup
[02:42] <uga> newsense07: strange... same happens to me... hdparm used to show something like: using_dma    =  1 (on)
[02:42] <uga> not on this box
[02:42] <newsense07> uga: is 3 not good ?
[02:43] <newsense07> uga: im not sure what the option does exactly
[02:43] <uga> newsense07: afaik that's a cpu feature, rather than current status
[02:43] <uga> ie, not the level, but the number of levels
[02:44] <uga> newsense07: try cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU1/throttling
[02:44] <uga> if the cpu allows throttling, you'd better be running at T0
[02:44] <uga> ie, no throttling (slowing down)
[02:45] <newsense07> uga:let me check, thanks
[02:45] <uga> there's some sort of power control on /proc/acpi/processor/CPU1/power , but I don't know how it works
[02:45] <BluesKaj> cpufreq-info , will give the output
[02:45] <stdin> uga: puts the cpu to sleep for a certain percentage of time
[02:46] <uga> BluesKaj: no such command here. Maybe I'm missing some acpi tools?
[02:46] <uga> stdin: ah, thanks
[02:46] <sea4ever> Erhm, can I make something autostart with an argument?
[02:46] <BluesKaj> yeah frequtils , I think
[02:46] <newsense07> uga: got no /proc/acpi/ dir
[02:47] <sea4ever> Like say konversation --server irc.dal.net blah blah, How would I set that up?
[02:47] <uga> newsense07: weird. Maybe you disabled acpi on bootup?
[02:47] <newsense07> uga: 99 bios no acpi support
[02:47] <uga> ah
[02:47] <newsense07> uga: err 98 i think even
[02:47] <uga> oh well... not sure if apm can do similar stuff
[02:48] <grul> Is there a way (using only the command line interface) to see which packages i have installed using aptitude?
[02:48] <newsense07> uga: thanks for your help, i think im on the right track now
[02:48] <BluesKaj> uga,  install cpufrequtils
[02:48] <uga> BluesKaj: cheers
[02:48] <newsense07> uga: thanks for your help, i gotta keep digging, i hope its a mem stick or hdd thats bad though
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> sea4ever: yeah, you can, look at them entry in ~/,kde/Autostart (should be a .desktop)change the command to be the one you want
[02:49] <uga> uhm... I hope he finds it out too
[02:49] <stdin> grul: use aptitude with no arguments to get a UI, or just do "dpkg -l"
[02:49] <grul> stdin, thanks
[02:50] <sea4ever> There is nothing in the Autostart foler
[02:50] <sea4ever> folder*
[02:51] <stdin> sea4ever: so add a link there
[02:51] <uga> BluesKaj: uhm... this is weird:
[02:51] <uga> analyzing CPU 3:
[02:51] <uga>   driver: acpi-cpufreq
[02:51] <uga>   CPUs which need to switch frequency at the same time: 3
[02:51] <uga> why on earth would 3 modules need to be changed freq at the same time
[02:52] <uga> for the first core, it claims just 0 cpus would need to be changed
[02:52] <uga> for the second, 1 cpu...
[02:52] <uga> for the 3rd, 2cpus...
[02:52] <uga> I think it's broken ;)
[02:53] <uga> BluesKaj: ah, sorry, I understand
[02:53] <uga> it's the cpu number, not the number of cpus
[02:53] <uga> ie, itself
[02:54] <uga> anyway, somebody gotta improve on this output. At 4 cpus it's already a lot of info to read. When 8 core cpus turn up next year, it'll be useless ;)
[02:54] <Doctor_Nick> cant wait until 80 core cpus
[02:55] <Doctor_Nick> then my computer will go really fast :P
[02:55] <uga> I'm pretty sure we'll see 8 next year
[02:55] <Doctor_Nick> OH WAIT PROGRAMS ARENT REALLY OPTIMIZED FOR MULTI-THREADING
[02:55] <Doctor_Nick> *curls up in a corner sobbing*
[02:55] <uga> Doctor_Nick: it helps for developers though =)
[02:55] <uga> make -j8 ;))
[02:56] <uga> and some photography apps do nicely on multithreading
[02:56] <uga> bibble is nice for example
[02:56] <stdin> with 8 core, you can do "make -j16" actually :)
[02:56] <uga> 2 builds per core?
[02:56] <Doctor_Nick> uga: yeah, but most applications simply dont do multithreading and most programmers suck at it :P
[02:56] <uga> heh
[02:56] <stdin> yeah, "make" does 2 jobs as standard
[02:57] <uga> stdin: I thought one had to issue -j2 for that...
[02:58] <uga> the manpage doesn't mention anything
[02:58] <stdin> uga: kinda depends, but it's normally 2
[02:58] <uga> interesting though: "If the -j option is given without an argument, make will not limit the number of jobs that can run  simultaneously." =)
[02:58] <stdin> autotools can set that too
[02:59] <uga> stdin: I had to manually specify -j2 for my builds in the past. And actually that can change outputs sometimes
[02:59] <uga> right now I build at -j4
[02:59] <uga> and see 4 cpus being used at 99% almost fulltime
[02:59] <Doctor_Nick> wat
[02:59] <stdin> uga: when I do "make" I see make run 2 simultaneous jobs
[03:00] <Doctor_Nick> uga: you mean different checksums for files
[03:00] <Doctor_Nick> ?
[03:01] <uga> stdin: uhm, okay
[03:02] <stdin> !away > lovre`afk
[03:02] <uga> Doctor_Nick: different error outputs, I believe
[03:02] <uga> ie, messages given by cmake etc
[03:02] <lovre`afk> !away
[03:02] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[03:02] <Doctor_Nick> I could see that
[03:05] <hdevalence> Ark won't start. When I launch from a terminal it gives me: ERROR: Communication problem with ark, it probably crashed.
[03:07] <uga> hdevalence: you could try removing ark's configuration files, just in case: rm .kde/share/config/arkrc
[03:07] <uga> hdevalence: are you opening it by just typing "ark" or with some parameters?
[03:09] <hdevalence> uga: just ark
[03:09] <uga> weird
[03:10] <hdevalence> removing the configs doesn't help
[03:11] <uga> hdevalence: I wonder if any debug info can be seen on kubuntu if run under gdb. Possibly all debug symbols will have been removed...
[03:11] <uga> you could still try "gdb ark"
[03:11] <uga> then type in "run"
[03:11] <uga> and when it crashes, type "bt" to get a backtrace
[03:11] <uga> hi there genii
[03:12] <uga> uhm... it's ... argh, late
[03:12] <uga> gotta go to bed. Gnight guys
[03:12] <hdevalence> it says No stack.
[03:12] <uga|away> hdevalence: uhm... no luck =(
[03:14] <uga|away> hdevalence: heh, before I go, another option is running it under strace/ltrace. it may help if it's having trouble with accessing files
[03:14] <uga|away> like "strace ark" and see last messages
[03:14] <xianten> wtf@linux......
[03:14] <uga|away> gnight now
[03:15] <hdevalence> k
[03:15] <superdude2435> yo
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> hey superdude2435
[03:30] <judgen> i get some strange error when using apt-get. it tells me that all fonts fail to write to cache
[03:33] <Doctor_Nick> bah
[03:33] <Doctor_Nick> just my luck
[03:33] <Doctor_Nick> wine 9.46 breaks hl2
[03:34] <fawx> !offtopic
[03:34] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:34] <judgen> any help on my font issue?
[03:36] <DaSkreech> !appdb
[03:36] <ubotu> The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> bug #1
[03:37] <vipul> no sound is coming any help
[03:38] <vipul> sound card dectected
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> vipul: switch to alsa in system settings->sound->hardware
[03:39] <claudemir> hi guys
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> hi claudemir
[03:40] <claudemir> I need help with traffic controll p2p
[03:40] <vipul> if then no sound
[03:40] <DaSkreech> judgen: What error?
[03:41] <vipul> where 2 select alsa
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> vipul: are you in the hardware tab in sound?
[03:41] <vipul> ya
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> its the first drop-down menu...select "advanced linux sound architecture" off of there
[03:42] <vipul> system / preference/sound
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> its called "audio device"
[03:45] <vipul> there 2 option 1) HDA nvidia alsa mixer 2) realtek alc861-vd (ossmixer)
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> vipul: choose the first
[03:49] <judgen> DaSkreech: i found the error to be that the font folders was newer than that of the version of the system
[03:49] <judgen> i just did a retouch of the folders, and now it works
[03:49] <DaSkreech> judgen: read up on man touch
[03:49] <DaSkreech>  Oh
[03:49] <DaSkreech>  damn :-) Smart users
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> lol
[03:50] <vipul> done & tested but still not working
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> vipul: put all values in kmix to high...
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> and unmute.
[03:52] <Dragnslcr> vipul- you may need to check alsamixer as well, especially if you're using digital output
[03:53] <vipul> ok thanks i will check it right now gtg
[03:53] <vipul> bye
[03:55] <evjunior09> So im not good with GIMP, but im great with photoshop. on this website it shows i can use it with WINE, how do i go about downloading Photoshop?
[03:56] <stdin> go to adobe.com and get it maybe
[03:56] <nosrednaekim> evjunior09: unless you have it installed on windows... that would be illegal
[03:56] <nosrednaekim> stdin: lol
[03:56] <evjunior09> Well i honestly couldnt care less.
[03:56] <stdin> evjunior09: well we do care :)
[03:57] <stdin> or at least I do, and that's all that counts
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> 1pirate
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> !pirate
[03:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pirate - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> !pirating
[03:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pirating - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:57] <stdin> !piracy
[03:57] <ubotu> piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[03:57] <Jucato> I do care. and as far as channel policy is concerned it matters
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> ubotu: is so naive
[03:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is so naive - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:57] <ScorpKing> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> !adeptfix
[03:57] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[03:57] <evjunior09> What about GIMPshop...is that like, just like Photoshop?
[03:58] <ScorpKing> thanks nosrednaekim
[03:58] <evjunior09> because i hate GIMP,
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> evjunior09: not exactly... but closer
[03:58] <Jucato> no, it's just the GIMP modified to look/behave like Photoshop
[03:58] <Jucato> it's still the GIMP
[03:59] <Jucato> you can try out Krita if you want. Then there's also Pixel (but not in the repos) I think
[03:59] <evjunior09> So should i even bother downloading it?
[03:59] <evjunior09> Krita isn't as good as photoshop.
[04:02] <DaSkreech> Jucato!! My Man
[04:02] <Jucato> rawr!!! that was annoying!!! :(
[04:02] <hero> Jucato: what was?
[04:02] <Jucato> for no reason at all, my X just restarted :(
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: do you have an Nvidia?
[04:03] <Jucato> yeah
[04:03] <Les_Caesars> does anybody know how to change the recent history limit on kickoff?
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: that happened to my bro yesterday... he lost like 2 hours of work.
[04:03] <Jucato> I'm on gutsy though..is he too?
[04:04] <DaSkreech> !o4o
[04:04] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #kubuntu.  Controversial topics: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[04:04] <Aresilek> hello
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> is that a new factoid?
[04:04] <Jucato> nope
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> hey Aresilek
[04:05] <stdin> nosrednaekim: it's short for offtopic4offtopic
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> ah
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> I was wondering.
[04:05] <DaSkreech> soo we can't talk about sabdfl's life?
[04:05] <Aresilek> is it possible to connect to a wired network and wireless network at the same time in kubuntu?
[04:05] <genii> Aresilek: Yes
[04:06] <Jucato> DaSkreech: no. cause that will be offtopic in here :)
[04:06] <Aresilek> genii: Can you tell me how?
[04:06] <DaSkreech> I meant in -offtopic
[04:06] <Aresilek> when i connect to one it disconects the other
[04:06] <Jucato> DaSkreech: sure. go ahead
[04:06] <genii> Aresilek: Much depends on the topology of your networks
[04:06] <Jucato> :)
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> Aresilek: you can't use knetworkmanager though.
[04:07] <DaSkreech> yeah Jucato it's offtopic for offtopic
[04:07] <hero> so is offtopic a big rule here?
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> hero: no ;)
[04:08] <hero> k
[04:08] <genii> hero: Depends how busy
[04:08] <DaSkreech> hero: no Just oft invoked
[04:08] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: you sure? :)
[04:08] <hero> anyone watch bionic woman tonight? hehe, j/k
[04:08] <DaSkreech> that's offtopic :)
[04:08] <hero> i'm joking
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> offtopic for the purpose of offtopic is not looked kindly upon.
[04:08] <DaSkreech> That's off topic too :)
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[04:08] <hero> anyone know konversation checks lag?
[04:08] <dthacker> !joking
[04:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about joking - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> hero: yup.
[04:08] <hero> it says i have 615 ms lag, but it feels real time
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> ubotu is like spock..
[04:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is like spock.. - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:09] <dthacker> see. ubotu has no sense of humor
[04:09] <hero> and i've had connection problems just with freenode tonight
[04:09] <Jucato> hero: 615ms = 0.6 secons
[04:09] <DaSkreech> hero: you notice millisecond lag?
[04:09] <Aresilek> nosrednaekim: i see... :-S
[04:09] <ScorpKing> hero: you're lucky. i get 15s sometimes. lol
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> Aresilek: you have to manually configure it.
[04:09] <DaSkreech> I've had a fewminutes before
[04:09] <hero> ok
[04:09] <hero> so it's freenode
[04:09] <Aresilek> how else do u connect to networks apart from knet...?
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> Aresilek: from the command line.
[04:09] <Aresilek> nosrednaekim: is that hard?
[04:09] <Jucato> hero: you consider half a second a lag to be worried about? O.o
[04:10] <hero> no, but i noticed it took forever to change nicks and all that
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> Aresilek:  not really, but setting which one you want to be default and stuff like that can be.
[04:10] <hero> and join channels
[04:10] <hero> anyway, i'm here.
[04:10] <stdin> hero: it does when you first connect because the client has to sync all the channels
[04:10] <Jucato> hero: I believe that's a different matter altogether.
[04:11] <hero> stdin: hmm, it works faster with xchat than konversation, then
[04:11] <hero> yeah...
[04:11] <stdin> but xchat is ugly
[04:11] <genii> Aresilek: The main issue is that you can have normally only 1 default gateway so the system always wants to look there first for instance
[04:13] <Aresilek> genii: i see
[04:13] <Aresilek> what if i just want to connect to see if i can?
[04:14] <fawx> !games
[04:14] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[04:14] <genii> Aresilek: Whatever adapter currently registers as eth0 becomes the default gateway.so if you wanted to have 1 adapter for internet then a second on an internal lan, best to make eth0 adapter for the internet
[04:16] <Aresilek> oh ok
[04:18] <genii> Aresilek: Mostly the command line stuff used for the network adapters are: ifup ifdown and ifconfig   There are also config files in /etc/network
[04:19] <Aresilek> genii: ok, still sounds significantly harder
[04:19] <genii> Aresilek: You can read the manpages for these commands to discover how to use them by: man<command>   eg: man ifup    or so
[04:19] <DaSkreech> can you do passwordless ftp login?
[04:20] <genii> DaSkreech: I used to do this with proftp but we had fixed IPs for that
[04:20] <DaSkreech> from the command line
[04:21] <genii> DaSkreech: You mean from client, do equiv of   ftp://username:password@domain    ?
[04:22] <DaSkreech> ah
[04:22] <DaSkreech> man netrc
[04:23] <ScorpKing> DaSkreech: just make a script for ftp login.
[04:24] <DaSkreech> that's what I'm up to
[04:24] <ScorpKing> hehe
[04:24] <DaSkreech> but ftp is an interactive program
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Muwahahaha. power is mine
[04:28] <ScorpKing> lol
[04:28] <DaSkreech> getting to that strange point in time
[04:28] <genii> DaSkreech: ftp switch -i disables interactive prompting
[04:29] <ScorpKing> can a script authenticate the session and then hand over to bash?
[04:29] <DaSkreech> Yeah but I still need to tell it what to do to get it to prompt
[04:29] <DaSkreech> ScorpKing: Yup
[04:29] <DaSkreech> HEREDOC :)
[04:30] <ScorpKing> maybe run it from the script then. hehe, i'm no pro
[04:31] <sjr_> How do I change the resolution of KDM when Kubuntu starts up the 'Kubuntu way'?
[04:32] <DaSkreech> Jucato: just confirming that there is no GUI way to swap res in kubuntu currently ?
[04:32] <Jucato> to swap KDM res specifically? no
[04:33] <sjr_> hmmmmmhmmmm
[04:33] <Jucato> just the desktop res? displayconfig
[04:33] <sjr_> So editing X11config
[04:34] <Jucato> afaik, KDM uses the first resolution  listed in the default depth of xorg.conf
[04:34] <genii> DaSkreech: You know of ctrl-alt then numpad + and - to cycle resolutions, yes?
[04:34] <DaSkreech> genii: Not in Gutsy I dont
[04:34] <Lega> 'ello.
[04:36] <genii> DaSkreech: I'm in gutsy and just tested this. It works here. Been standard for a while in X
[04:36] <Lega> I use Amarok for my music, and recently whenever I double-click or press the play button to play a file (or, in this case, start a radio stream) Amarok simply crashes. It locks up, and I have to terminate it. Anyone have any idea as to why this could be? It has been working just fine for me up until now...
[04:36] <DaSkreech> genii: I know but in gutsy i have no keys
[04:36] <DaSkreech>  Printscreen Alt+ctrl+ + etc none of it works
[04:36] <DaSkreech> VT jumping works
[04:37] <DaSkreech> saved my butt last night :)
[04:37] <DaSkreech> genii: No clue why
[04:37] <genii> DaSkreech: Scary
[04:37] <DaSkreech> Lega: try running it from the command line. It will give you crash output
[04:38] <DaSkreech> genii: Yeah I'm going to wait for a few more updates to see if anything changes
[04:38] <Jucato> me on the other hand, have foobar'd any kernel higher than -12 :(
[04:39] <Lega> DaSkreech: K. Thanks.
[04:39] <genii> DaSkreech: Well, if it's some keyboard layout mess, you could use the trusty dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to specify something gerically sane like a 105 or such. but of course then you need to set all the other crap too
[04:40] <DaSkreech> genii: I checked my global KDE keyboard stuff and it's blank
[04:40] <genii> Jucato: I'm running -14 right now, went from -11. Seems fairly stable
[04:40] <tule> lega- i've had some weird stuff happen with Amarok too. Especially with streams. I find that I cant drag a Shoutcast stream into the play window then click on it to play, but I can double click on it from the Shoutcast list and it plays fine. go figure..
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Jucato: -12 messes my system up something annoying
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Everytime I look at the time it freezes hard
[04:40] <Jucato> genii: yeah I kinda realized it was just on my desktop. laptop works fine
[04:41] <DaSkreech> well not everytime
[04:41] <DaSkreech> but enough to be noticable
[04:41] <DaSkreech> tule: if you drag it then click it then click it again it works
[04:41] <DaSkreech> No clue
[04:42] <Lega> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40228/ <-- That was the... output, I guess? When I ran it in the terminal, but after it crashed it didn't push anything else.
[04:43] <Lega> I'm guessing it has to do with those last 4 lines. Lines 23-26.
[04:43] <DaSkreech> you changed your keyboard shortcuts?
[04:43] <Lega> But I'm still largely a Lin00b, so I have no idea.
[04:43] <Lega> Mmm, not to my knowledge, no.
[04:44] <tule> lega- i've not seen that. no clue.
[04:45] <Lega> Wierd, but next to my play/pause it has the hotkey shortcut as "XF86AudioPause."
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Lega: random music?
[04:45] <Lega> It has never said that before.
[04:45] <Lega> Yeah, random music.
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Works in other stuff?
[04:45] <Lega> What works in other stuff, now?
[04:46] <tule> DaSkreech- you're right on the drag, click once. seems to me that used to crash it. good now.
[04:46] <DaSkreech> the music. does it work in other players?
[04:46] <Lega> Mhmm.
[04:46] <DaSkreech> tule: No clue why it does that
[04:47] <tule> Lega- i had issues trying to play .mp3s at one time. i believe you need to tell Amarok what types of music it can play in a configuration setting somewhere.
[04:48] <DaSkreech> !mp3
[04:48] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:48] <Lega> Well, I'm not trying to play .mp3s at the moment- I'm trying to stream radio. Specifically... Cool-Streams.
[04:48] <DaSkreech> mp3 :)
[04:49] <Lega> Is it?
[04:49] <Lega> Huh.
[04:49] <DaSkreech> I think so
[04:49] <Lega> Yep, you would be right.
[04:50] <Lega> I always thought that most radios used a different format for streaming- turns out I was mistaken. ^^;;
[04:50] <tule> DaSkreech- yah.. 99% of my stuff is .ogg, but a few ahem.. borrowed tracks are mp3s..
[04:51] <weswh-> do you guys know where the latest / trusted package of kickoff would be?
[04:51] <weswh-> and has anyone used it? it looked cool on the new opensuse screenshots...
[04:52] <NickPresta> weswh-, I use Kickoff. Version 1 from trevino's repo
[04:52] <weswh-> any idea how up to date that is with what opensuse put out?
[04:52] <weswh-> and do you like it?
[05:37] <Scunizi> How do I edit the K menu structure?
[05:38] <DaSkreech> Scunizi: Right click it
[05:38] <Scunizi> Too easy :)
[05:38] <genii> Yes. Then choose "Menu Editor"
[05:39] <genii> If you want to do it the hard way, see: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/Edit_the_Global_KDE_Menu_Items_from_a_console_for_SUSE_Linux
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Scunizi: Wow Most people complain about it being too round about :)
[05:40] <genii> Tho it it suse-centric, files are in same spot, etc
[05:40] <tzanger> Is it possible to get the shell to dump corefiles in a core.### format, where ### is the PID of the app that crashed?
[05:40] <Scunizi> DaSkreech: naw.. I've been in gnome for the last year and decided to look at the kde interface.. It feels foreign, faster and fun but I find myself not being as productive.
[05:41] <tzanger> ulimit -c just creates 'core'
[05:42] <Jucato> genii: it also kinda advocates doing that in a root-owned directory... which shouldn't be if it's user-specific...
[05:43] <genii> Jucato: Well, he asked :)
[05:43] <Jucato> and you answered :)
[05:43] <Jucato> just being Mr. Obvious :)
[05:44] <Jucato> hm... at noon... hm... :)
[05:44] <Jucato> thanks anyway  :)
[05:44] <genii> Jucato: Ah, OK... 11:30-ishPM here
[05:45] <Jucato> +12hours :)
[05:45] <Jucato> (yes I'm living in the future!!
[05:45] <genii> You martian
[05:45] <genii> LOL
[05:46] <Jucato> sorry I'm Jovian :P
[05:46] <Jucato> anyway.. !ot to myself
[05:46] <genii> (in FreeBSD if you are installing something dated in future it comments extensively about martians)
[05:47] <Jucato> aah
[05:47] <DaSkreech> hi leileilol
[05:47] <leileilol> nihao
[05:47] <DaSkreech> genii: Ha ha I'm a martian :)
[05:47] <leileilol> kubuntu is cool :D but i'm on xp right now because of my C:\ habits :(
[05:47] <DaSkreech> http://mba4.org
[05:47] <DaSkreech> lel
[05:48] <leileilol> is there a possible way to make D:\, E:\'s and F:\'s in linux so i don't have to type out /mediaTAB/sda3TAB each time?
[05:48] <DaSkreech> leileilol: Fine as long as you bathe afterwards
[05:48] <DaSkreech> leileilol: You know you can make CDPATH shortcuts for those
[05:48] <leileilol> my tablet doesn't seem to be supported under linux, can't have pressure sensitivity
[05:48] <DaSkreech> So yes :)
[05:48] <leileilol> and my tv card (ENLTV-FM) is also unsupported
[05:48] <leileilol> that with the drive thing, those are my only cons  with linux
[05:48] <leileilol> only cons ever
[05:49] <leileilol> that doesn't mean linux sucks though. i'm an ati user
[05:49] <leileilol> i just happen to buy too budget parts :S
[05:49] <leileilol> of obscure brands
[05:49] <leileilol> like genius and encore
[05:50] <genii> DaSkreech: "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at mba4.org."
[05:50] <leileilol> x850gt rocks in latest fglrx
[05:50] <leileilol> http://openarena.ws/crap/bench2.txt my tests :P
[05:50] <genii> DaSkreech: However, www.mba4.org works ;)
[05:51] <DaSkreech> http://www.mba4.org
[05:51] <DaSkreech> right :)
[05:51] <DaSkreech> http://www.mba4.org /who.php
[05:52] <genii> DaSkreech: :)
[06:17] <hero> !statistics
[06:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about statistics - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:18] <hero> !openstat
[06:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about openstat - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:18] <hero> !spss
[06:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spss - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:18] <hero> hrm
[06:18] <DaSkreech> hero: Woah
[06:18] <DaSkreech> !botabuse
[06:18] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[06:18] <hero> yeah, i figured you'd tell me that
[06:18] <hero> good job!
[06:18] <DaSkreech> We can tolerate three :)
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Much more than that is really distrating
[06:18] <DaSkreech> ^c
[06:18] <hero> so are there any good multiple regression analysis products in repos?
[06:19] <hero> i did three :)
[06:19] <sparr> this error in a standard-ish autogen script has me stumped, and is leading to failures.  any insight?  aclocal:configure.in:12: warning: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library
[06:20] <hero> i do love how enforcing the rules eclipse helping people out :)
[06:21] <DaSkreech> genii: Your favourite martian?
[06:21] <genii> DaSkreech: Since yer the only one I know so far i guess that makes you the one
[06:21] <Dr_willis> Hot Martian Chicks!
[06:21] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:22] <DaSkreech> I have those too
[06:22] <DaSkreech> I mean
[06:22] <DaSkreech> What martians? that's a rumour! they don't exist!
[06:22] <Dr_willis> thats what the Alantians want you to belive...
[06:23] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:23] <genii> Dr_willis: I want lead foil, the tin doesn't keep enough out
[06:23] <DaSkreech> apt-get remove tinfoil-hat
[06:24] <DaSkreech> ERROR: Saftey precaution override needs super root user
[06:24] <ubunturos> does the apt-archives have a limited size to store downloaded packages? (is there a rule defined?)
[06:25] <stdin> ubunturos: 500MB I think
[06:26] <stdin> the file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20archive should define it
[06:27] <DaSkreech> hero: searched for stats in adept ?
[06:27] <ubunturos> stdin:ok, I'll check that out
[06:28] <ubunturos> stdin: ah, thanks. Found it
[06:32] <ubunturos> when, I use -d option, will dependencies of a package, be downloaded as well?
[06:32] <ubunturos> (with apt-get)
[06:33] <stdin> yeah
[06:44] <scheater6> ubunturos: the dependencies of a package will be downloaded by default apt-get.
[06:44] <scheater6> no need for an option
[06:50] <EDGAR> HOLA!
[06:50] <EDGAR> ESTO SIVE?
[06:50] <EDGAR> PARECE QUE NO!
[06:50] <stdin> !es
[06:50] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:51] <EDGAR> NO ENTIENDO !
[06:58] <prak> does anyone know when would free ubuntu gutsy cds start shipping?
[06:58] <stdin> prak: probably after the release
[06:58] <prak> stdin: typically how long after the release or is it on the website?
[06:59] <stdin> they'll probably start taking orders on the release day
[07:00] <Jucato> actually shipit is open now
[07:00] <Jucato> http://shipit.kubuntu.org
[07:01] <_aaa> Have toshiba PDA, is it possible to sync with a Linux OS
[07:01] <stdin> Jucato: yeah, just checked that :p
[07:10] <ardchoille> prak: You can order free Gutsy cd's from shipit, but they won't ship until Guts final is actually released.
[07:10] <stdin> *until gutsy's releases and then the CDs get pressed then sent around the world a few times
[07:11] <Jucato> of course. they can't ship a CD that hasn't been made  yet right? :)
[07:11] <ardchoille> stdin: Yes, good point
[07:11] <ardchoille> Jucato: True, but I sat there for a minute wondering if they were shipping the beta cd's
[07:11] <Jucato> hahah! :)
[07:12] <Jucato> of course not. they ship RCs :)
[07:17] <ardchoille> stdin: What special offer?
[07:17] <ardchoille> ShipIt?
[07:17] <stdin> yeah, the special offer to special people :) for 10 Kubuntu CDs (8 PC Edition, 2 64-bit PC Edition)
[07:17] <ardchoille> ah
[07:18] <ardchoille> I ordered two cd's.. one for me, one for the gf.
[07:23] <prak> thanks, ardchoille
[07:24] <Smokii> Hum, anyone familiriar with proftpd?
[07:25] <Smokii> My laptop is behind dyndns, and I'm not quite sure where and how I should inform proftpd of that :p
[07:25] <Smokii> Now I'm at least getting an error saying it can't determine the ip
[07:25] <Smokii> - warning: unable to determine IP address of 'justiina' - error: no valid servers configured - Fatal: error processing configuration file '/etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf'
[07:26] <stdin> use a fqdn
[07:27] <Smokii> Soz, noob... what do you mean ?:D
[07:27] <stdin> fully qualified domain name, like a host.domain.com name
[07:28] <Smokii> Haven't got one... I'm just putting the ftp up for my own use mostly
[07:28] <Smokii> Well not sure what's fully qualified, but the dyndns domains don't qualify or what ?
[07:30] <stdin> Smokii: it want to know what IP to bind to, so it needs a host that's either in /etc/hosts or one that can be found from DNS servers
[07:30] <uga|away> stdin: thanks for warning previously
[07:30] <uga|away> stdin: I love being kicked for no good reason. So bye.
[07:34] <Smokii> stdin: in what form does the address need to be in /etc/hosts ?
[07:34] <Smokii> I've got my justiina.sytes.net under localhost
[07:35] <stdin> Smokii: not sure, never messed with proftpd, I've just seen similar messages before
[07:35] <stdin> Smokii: I'm behind a router too, so I always know my IP
[07:36] <Smokii> Ok, I'll google from here but thanks :)
[07:36] <Smokii> Yeah :] 
[07:46] <deejay> someone pm me...im a noob
[07:47] <stdin> helps if you ask your question
[07:47] <Broc93> hi all.
[07:48] <deejay> just chillin....can discuss sum technical things
[07:48] <Broc93> Jucato: no, I've finished my tests lol
[07:48] <Jucato> as long as they're related to Kubuntu
[07:49] <deejay> yeah..that's the thing...i don't really have questions to ask...i'm just lookin for sumone to chill with on my ps3
[07:49] <deejay> privately
[07:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> then you're in the wrong place
[07:50] <deejay> cold nuggetz
[07:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> this is #kubuntu not #ps3  they sound *nothing* alike
[07:50] <Jucato> !offtopic
[07:50] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:50] <Jucato> that would be the place
[07:51] <robby> this isn't the ps3 channel?
[07:51] <robby> >.<
[07:52] <robby> has anyone had any usues with k3b burning a dvd data disc really slowly?
[07:52] <robby> sometimes it burns max speed and sometimes it burns 1x
[07:52] <robby> 16x is the max speed
[07:53] <robby> guess it's my hardware
[08:02] <benny_> yo?  anyone know how to turn off the "has joined/left" messages in Konversation?
[08:03] <spa_light> Hi
[08:03] <Jucato> benny_: Setitngs -> Configure Konversation -> Behavior -> Chat Window
[08:04] <spa_light> Is anyone else experiencing problems with the ubuntu homepage? To me It looks like they have no CSS in place.
[08:05] <benny_> sweet.. thx jucato!!! I'm an IRC noob.. how do you have the nick in front of your messages?
[08:05] <stdin> !tab
[08:05] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[08:05] <spa_light> benny_: You type it.
[08:05] <benny_> ubotu: Awesome!!
[08:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about awesome!! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:05] <Jucato> benny_: start typing the nick then press tab
[08:06] <Jucato> !thanks | benny_
[08:06] <ubotu> benny_: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[08:06] <benny_> impressive bot.. I'd like to see that code.
[08:06] <Jucato> it's a supybot I think
[08:06] <stdin> !bot
[08:06] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:07] <stdin> supybot plugins (that make ubotu) on the link ^
[08:07] <benny_> jezz.. now it's just yanking my chain.
[08:07] <Jucato> spa_light: I can't even access ubuntu.com
[08:07] <emilsedgh> Jucato: what was that site which was giving the list of dependencies of a package (someone wants to dl some packages and then take it to another machine)
[08:07] <Jucato> kubuntu.org is upyay :)
[08:07] <Jucato> packages.ubuntu.com
[08:08] <stdin> emilsedgh: you can do that, or just "apt-get --print-uris install <package>" if you want a simple life
[08:08] <emilsedgh> gh, i know packages.ubuntu, but there was another site that i cnt remember
[08:09] <Jucato> !aptoncd
[08:09] <ubotu> APTonCD is a tool with a graphical interface which allows you to create one or more CDs or DVDs with all of the packages you've downloaded via apt-get or aptitude, creating a removable repository that you can use on other computers
[08:09] <Jucato> that one?
[08:09] <spa_light> Jucato: What do you mean, you cannot access the site?
[08:09] <Jucato> spa_light: www.ubuntu.com gives me errors right now
[08:10] <spa_light> Jucato: Ah, so I am not the only one ...
[08:10] <Jucato> ok back up now
[08:10] <Jucato> it's back up
[08:10] <stdin> something strange, http://www.ubuntu.com/ in firefox works (now) but konqueror seems to be redirected to http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/accessibility
[08:11] <vers> hello
[08:11] <stdin> and now it's back but with no formatting...
[08:11] <Jucato> everythign's ok now on my end
[08:11] <spa_light> stdin: It does not work for me in either firefox or konqueror. No errors, just a totally screwed up page layout. It is unbrowsable that way.
[08:11] <stdin> just started working
[08:12] <stdin> looks like someone just tripped over the power cable or something :p
[08:13] <tuxd> need help installing DVD setting
[08:13] <benny_> so how soon after 7.10 is released will there be a kubuntu release?
[08:13] <stdin> spa_light: and now it sux again
[08:13] <stdin> benny_: exactly the same time
[08:14] <benny_> stdin: sweet.
[08:14] <martin_> Hi, ... I have a problem with kontact configuration. Altought I have entered all the info I have about my mail server, Kontact refuses to send email - and does not give a visual feedback about why. Is there any logfile I can geeze at? (I tried looking at the console output, but it keeps silent)
[08:14] <tuxd> ubuntu documentation says on #3 "press 'System - Preferences - Removable Drives and Media '... don't even know where that is
[08:15] <tuxd> where do I find "System"?
[08:15] <martin_> tuxd: in gnome. this is kubuntu, for kde
[08:15] <stdin> tuxd: helps if you read the kubuntu section, not the ubuntu section
[08:16] <tuxd> stdin: OK. The link on the Kubuntu welcome page at Internet page start-up directs you to there though
[08:16] <tuxd> stdin: so where do I find Kubuntu help on this?
[08:16] <stdin> see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[08:22] <tuxd> stdin: I'm at https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html#video-dvd, which walks you though but apparently for gnome?  I'm confused
[08:23] <stdin> yeah, that's gnome. see the link I posted for KDE
[08:25] <benny_> ok.. so I'm an IRC noob.. and I can't spell worth crap (raised on franklin spell checker).. is there a good IRC client with inline spell checking?
[08:26] <stdin> konversation
[08:27] <benny_> stdin: mmm.. I'll have to look at the optiosn..  I must not have it working at the moment.. tset.
[08:27] <emilsedgh> benny_: in most KDE Applications, you could right-click on the text box and check the 'Auto Spelling'
[08:28] <benny_> emilsedgh: wow.. sweet!!!
[08:29] <benny_> this thign on!! awesome..
[08:30] <emilsedgh> benny_: whole KDE as awesome ;)
[08:30] <benny_> emilsedgh: indeed..  although kdetv doesn't work as well as I'd like, but I think it's my card.
[08:31] <emilsedgh> benny_: i hope hardware problems will be solved by KDE4 release...
[08:32] <Jucato> KDE 4 can't magically make hardware work if there aren't any proper drivers for it ;)
[08:32] <benny_> I've used both gnome and kde extensively.. kde is richer, but gnome is more dummy proof sometimes I think.
[08:32] <benny_> but that's a big battle isn't it.
[08:33] <benny_> I'm personally itching to see the coolness of compiz-fusion.
[08:33] <Gabz^laptop> installing kubuntu without a cd-rom  any ideas ?
[08:33] <benny_> they have a network install from floppy?
[08:33] <german> anyone up?
[08:33] <emilsedgh> Jucato: sure, but currently many things are not working even if there are good drivers for it, i hope solid will solve hardware issues
[08:34] <Gabz^laptop> benny_: no floppy it's a laptop
[08:34] <german> is there anyway of logging in witout a password
[08:34] <german> i mean starting the pc and getting in, without kubuntu asking me for my password??
[08:34] <spa_light> german: yes
[08:34] <benny_> Gabz^laptop: I'm not sure you're going to find a nice way to install without a cd or floppy.
[08:34] <Jucato> german: try System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Login manager
[08:34] <spa_light> german: But why would you want that?
[08:35] <benny_> german: embrace security.
[08:35] <Gabz^laptop> benny_: i might have to try and unnice way...
[08:35] <german> well i mean. noone touches my pc
[08:35] <german> is there any security problem from the utside, the network if i get the aoutologin?
[08:36] <benny_> Gabz^laptop: I stayed up all night once trying to install from a flash drive.. but I know it can be done.
[08:36] <Gabz^laptop> german: not really the only problem is if someone steals your machine
[08:36] <german> steals?
[08:36] <Gabz^laptop> breaks into your house and takes
[08:36] <german> you mean like taking it home? or hacking in?
[08:36] <Gabz^laptop> physical stealing
[08:37] <german> most unprovable, and even then i dont think criminals know linux anyway =)
[08:37] <benny_> if they physically steal it a login won't save you unless you crypt your drive.  There are autologin options, but I've always liked the idea that a casual passer by can't get access.
[08:38] <benny_> and I've never trusted how the autologin mechanism works.. I don't understand it, so I don't use it.
[08:38] <level1> how can I prevent guidance from starting on startup?
[08:39] <german> well my question is, why does it says in big red font in the login manager, attention read help! ?
[08:39] <djudd> hey guys, how can i make an irc link in konqueror launch konversation?
[08:40] <stdin> german: because it's not recommended as it's insecure
[08:41] <german> well then i keeo typing my password everytime  start my pc then =)
[08:41] <jabba> is kde4 worth a try?
[08:42] <Jucato> not yet
[08:42] <stdin> no, not yet
[08:42] <jabba> and cam i install it in parallel to 3.5?
[08:42] <Jucato> echo echo echo....
[08:42] <benny_> german: at least you'll know your password well :)
[08:42] <Jucato> :D
[08:42] <german> =)
[08:42] <stdin> echo 0>&1
[08:42] <german> does anyone have a logitech keyboard and/or mpuse?
[08:43] <benny_> german: actually in Germany?  I have a lot of co-workers in boeblegin (sp?).. I've never been able to go tho :(
[08:43] <trpr> german: i don't think the autologin is that dangerous. if someone has physical access to your machine they can get in anyhow. its really up to you how paranoid you want to be
[08:43] <stdin> jabba: beta 3 will be nice, and you can install that along side 3.5.x, instructions will be in the topic (like they are for beta 2)
[08:43] <jabba> can anyone tell me how to use apt (or aptitude) to show me every package in "universe/games" (for exampe)
[08:44] <german> no i am not german or in germany, My second name is German, wich in spanish sound like Herman =)
[08:44] <jabba> hrhr
[08:44] <jabba> not really! german :D
[08:45] <benny_> german: haha!! wooha.. way off ey..
[08:45] <german> well you dont wanna know my first name then ;)
[08:45] <level1> knetworkmanager keeps mysteriously forgetting all but one or two of the mac addresses to my school, as if it couldn't handle 20 mac addresses on one essid.  I've been watching knetworkmanagerrc and trying to add the mac addresses back in, but they keep getting deleted
[08:46] <german> but anyway, does anyone know how to program kubuntu to let it know i have a logitech mouse?
[08:46] <level1> german: you mean your logitech mouse isn't being recognized?
[08:47] <german> My mouse works as a normal mouse
[08:47] <german> the same with my keyboard
[08:48] <german> but i got ie, a button on the mouse, a thumb button, that usually klicking it sends me to the "previous page" or "up a level"
[08:48] <benny_> german: so you want it to work abnormally :)
[08:48] <trpr> benny_: im sure he's refering to all the funky buttons logitech mice usually have
[08:48] <german> nice buttons by the way
[08:48] <benny_> mmm.. I've never tried to get the funky buttons to work.
[08:49] <robby> i seen a mouse like that
[08:49] <robby> had buttons on the side where the thumb goes
[08:49] <jabba> are export commands permanent?
[08:50] <jabba> which means... do they still work, if i reboot, logout and login again or whatever
[08:50] <benny_> I like to click them furiously when frustrated.. good thing they don't do anything for me.
[08:50] <robby> benny_ lol
[08:50] <german> for me they, can open the emailfunction, or open a link in a new page
[08:51] <german> hard thing to not use them after getting used
[08:51] <benny_> gesh.. next you'll want a button that reads your mind :)
[08:51] <robby> german im sure there is a way to program them to work for you
[08:52] <german> that would be a nice button benny-
[08:52] <german> well i deal with that latter
[08:52] <Jucato> jabba: no. export commands only last as long as the terminal where you ran them exists
[08:52] <german> anyidea if kontakt works with hotmail?
[08:52] <Jucato> jabba: to make them more permanent, you have to put them in a file that gets read at startup or login
[08:52] <Jucato> german: only if you have pop3 in hotmail
[08:52] <robby> german did you check System settings -> Mouse and Keyboard?
[08:53] <benny_> I got a wireless keyboard/mouse combo.. it's got all sorts of crap on here I don't use/doesn't work..  all windoze stuff.
[08:53] <trpr> this looks promising https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto
[08:53] <robby> how can i get my nintendo power glove to work with linux?
[08:54] <benny_> I was surprised tho that the scroll wheels on the mouse and keyboard worked tho..
[08:54] <trpr> robby: hehe. whats the connector on that thing anyways? im sure you'd have to write your own driver if some geek hasn't done it already
[08:54] <sjck> Hey, is there a way to set the date in tray like 11-10-2007 8:50? (Its 10-11-2007 yet :/)
[08:54] <level1> is there a way to have knetworkmanager list my school's network as an availible wireless network even if there are not routers with recognized mac addresses in range?
[08:55] <pillowpants> how do you change passwords?
[08:55] <robby> trpr lol probably
[08:55] <level1> pillowpants: systemsettings>users
[08:55] <benny_> pillowpants: passwd
[08:55] <benny_> in terminall.. I'm old school.
[08:56] <Gabz^laptop> level1: why would you want knetworkmanager to lie to you ?
[08:56] <level1> pillowpants: my mistake, its under "about me"
[08:56] <jabba> robby http://www.zerosign.net/index.php/powerglove-mouse/
[08:56] <robby> jabba thanks
[08:57] <level1> Gabz^laptop: well, with the current way knetworkmanager works, I have to re-enter the essid and password every single **** time I want to connect to the internet, hardly seemless connectivity
[08:57] <robby> jabba haha that's cool
[08:58] <jabba> robby: thats geeky !
[08:58] <Gabz^laptop> level1: right you want it to remember your settings
[08:58] <pillowpants> as in the user password
[08:58] <robby> jabba yes 8)
[08:58] <jabba> brb
[08:58] <level1> Gabz^laptop: its a cloaked network, so unless knetworkmanager recognizes the mac address, it can't get a ssid
[08:59] <pillowpants> thanks
[08:59] <level1> Gabz^laptop: and theres some bug in knetworkmanager that it keeps forgetting my mac addresses, theres about 20 and it can only remember about 2-3 at a time, it seems
[08:59] <Gabz^laptop> level1: eww... you might be out of luck...
[08:59] <level1> its indescribably annoying
[09:00] <benny_> bugs == annoying indeed.
[09:00] <level1> Gabz^laptop: actually, I'm just going to cp the **** correct knetworkmanagerrc until knetworkmanager gets the point
[09:01] <pillowpants> passwd did that job, thanks
[09:01] <pillowpants> can i ask why ubuntu has no root user?
[09:01] <pillowpants> whats the difference
[09:01] <benny_> pillowpants: woo hoo!!! terminal rules!!
[09:01] <pillowpants> benny_ : yes it does
[09:01] <level1> pillowpants: it does, its just not recomended that it be used
[09:01] <Gabz^laptop> knetworkmanager stores it's passwords and network keys in kwallet
[09:01] <iu> hello
[09:02] <level1> Gabz^laptop: thats not the problem
[09:02] <pillowpants> level1 : i know, but why not?
[09:02] <iu> how can i locate grub config files?
[09:02] <pillowpants> unneeded?
[09:02] <pillowpants> more secure?
[09:02] <iu> or a grub gui
[09:02] <benny_> iu: which config files?
[09:02] <iu> for grub
[09:02] <level1> Gabz^laptop: its knetworkmanagerrc, I've been watching it closely, and its definately deleting my mac addresses
[09:02] <iu> to edit which OS to boot as default
[09:03] <benny_> iu: mmm.. never done that one.
[09:03] <pillowpants> !root
[09:03] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[09:03] <iu> strange, i couldnt even find grub.conf
[09:03] <benny_> ubotu: funny bot..
[09:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about funny bot.. - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:03] <iu> !grub
[09:03] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:03] <level1> it seems like, for security, its a good idea to change the root password to something with passwd
[09:04] <benny_> ok.. so now I have to figure out how to blacklist ubotu.
[09:05] <pillowpants> its helpful at times
[09:05] <level1> benny_: better than dpkg
[09:05] <level1> benny_: nothing it says ever makes sense
[09:05] <benny_> never met dpkg.
[09:06] <level1> benny_: #debian
[09:06] <level1> btw, they don't like ubuntu
[09:06] <level1> much
[09:06] <benny_> I could understand that.
[09:07] <benny_> those debian guys are hardcore.. I know a kernel hacker that used to use it, but switched to ubuntu.. oops.
[09:07] <level1> well, debian is less buggy that ubuntu, in my expirience, but I wish it had a few of the basic features that ubuntu has, they're irreplacible... so its a tradeoff
[09:08] <Jucato> level1: depends on which version of debian you are referring to
[09:08] <level1> Jucato: I used lenny
[09:08] <Jucato> I doubt Sid would be more stable than gutsy at this point.
[09:08] <benny_> I'm a bells and wistles kinda geek..  I'm itchin to try compiz-fusion.
[09:08] <level1> gutsy would be the best OS I ever used, if it weren't for this stupid knetworkmanager bug
[09:09] <DaSkreech> pillowpants: The idea is that someone doing a remote attack only knows that you have a root account
[09:10] <benny_> wow.... DaSkreech has a lag.
[09:10] <DaSkreech> pillowpants: If the root account is disabled then they have to first guess what is the username of your first user then break the password
[09:10] <DaSkreech> I was playing frozen Bubble
[09:10] <benny_> ah...
[09:11] <DaSkreech> level1: .7 should be better
[09:11] <benny_> I'm going to get another glass of wine.
[09:11] <level1> DaSkreech: .7?
[09:11] <benny_> then I can type really badly.
[09:12] <robby> would upgrading from 7.04 o 7.10 beta break my system?
[09:12] <level1> robby: unlikely, but maybe you should wait a couple weeks
[09:12] <level1> if your paranoid
[09:12] <Jucato> robby: based on my pre-release tests, not really
[09:12] <DaSkreech> level1: networkmanager .7
[09:12] <robby> level1 good idea
[09:12] <level1> DaSkreech: oh god, I hope so, I can't wait
[09:12] <DaSkreech> robby: I'm running it now. Only slight breakage
[09:12] <Jucato> at worst, the upgrade itself has some bumps, but nothing that will break your system
[09:12] <DaSkreech> one line fix
[09:13] <Jucato> DaSkreech has a different experience though
[09:13] <pillowpants> DaSkreech : i guess it doesnt help that my user name is the same alias i use for everything
[09:13] <DaSkreech> Oh
[09:13] <DaSkreech> Strigidaemon is the devil
[09:13] <level1> seriously, we shouldn't have to use the command line to connect to the internet, its ridiculous
[09:13] <level1> DaSkreech: why?
[09:13] <DaSkreech> pillowpants: Maybe If they know it's you
[09:13] <robby> Jucato i'm mainly worried about the process of adept replacing all my binaries
[09:13] <DaSkreech> pillowpants: if it's a script kiddie they will have almost no chance of getting that right
[09:13] <pillowpants> DaSkreech : isnt it possible to see what type of linux system youre using, and then know that ubuntu doesnt use root
[09:14] <DaSkreech> level1: Why what?
[09:14] <DaSkreech> pillowpants: Yeah for someone doing a sophisticated attack
[09:14] <pillowpants> level1 : using the console to get online has been helpful for me a number of times
[09:14] <level1> DaSkreech: why don't you like strigi
[09:14] <benny_> damn script kiddies.
[09:14] <DaSkreech> But in the end if it's automated and they can't get you they will move to lower fruit
[09:14] <DaSkreech> level1: It's badly broken on Gutsy right now
[09:15] <level1> pillowpants: yes, but we shouldn't have to... knetworkmanager and similar programs have the basic idea, its just they're so annoying buggy
[09:15] <pillowpants> DaSkreech : how hard is it to attack a linux system, say you, me or anyone
[09:15] <level1> DaSkreech: seems to work okay on this side
[09:15] <DaSkreech>  It tries to index a non existent file then kills the entier machine trying to get at it
[09:15] <benny_> I think script kiddies would have a hard time with default k/ubuntu install tho.
[09:15] <DaSkreech> entire
[09:15] <pillowpants> level1 : i agree with you there, ive shed alot of anger and irritation over knetwork manager
[09:15] <DaSkreech> pillowpants: it's never the system it's the user
[09:15] <pillowpants> it took be endless hours to get WPA TPK to work
[09:16] <DaSkreech> level1: what version of strigidaemon ?
[09:16] <level1> pillowpants: I like the program, I just don't understand why its so buggy, is it ugly on the inside?
[09:16] <pillowpants> DaSkreech : what do you mean by user? just the way they have things set up?
[09:16] <level1> usually, you can tell if a program's guts are poorly written, but knetworkmanager seems okay
[09:16] <pillowpants> so for a typical feisty install
[09:16] <level1> DaSkreech: 0.5.6
[09:16] <pillowpants> level1 : i mainly hate it in sabayon
[09:17] <pillowpants> and i do love sabayon, but not having wireless for a while was so lame
[09:17] <DaSkreech> pillowpants: Greatest system in the world still needs people to login. If the password is "password" it makes no sense
[09:17] <DaSkreech> level1: does it index past ~/.mozilla-thunderbird ?
[09:17] <pillowpants> DaSkreech : right
[09:17] <level1> DaSkreech: ah, I don't have thunderbird
[09:17] <level1> kmail ftw!
[09:17] <DaSkreech> level1: I don't either
[09:17] <Myrth[home] > hi, how do i make konqueror default file browser instead of dolphin?
[09:18] <DaSkreech> never installed it
[09:18] <level1> thats weird
[09:18] <DaSkreech> strigi doesn't seem to care
[09:18] <benny_> wtf is dolphin?
[09:18] <robby> dolphin?
[09:18] <DaSkreech> tries to index it and either segfaults or goes crazy
[09:18] <DaSkreech> !dolphin
[09:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dolphin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:18] <level1> benny_: the new file manager for kde 4, or in this case, the kde 3 version
[09:18] <DaSkreech> Are you serious ?
[09:18] <robby> hm
[09:19] <Myrth[home] > on gutsy
[09:19] <pillowpants> daaaaammit
[09:19] <benny_> I never use file managers.. oops
[09:19] <pillowpants> i just changed my pass, and ive already forgotten it
[09:19] <DaSkreech> robby: it's the new KDE dedicated file manager
[09:19] <DaSkreech> !d3lphin | jucato :-P
[09:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about d3lphin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:19] <Jucato> tsk tsk :P
[09:19] <DaSkreech> pillowpants: \o/
[09:19] <robby> ah
[09:19] <level1> the kde 4 version is "pretty" but if it has less features than konqueror... well, don't know if want
[09:19] <benny_> I swear to god I hate bots.
[09:19] <DaSkreech> benny_: So you don't use files?
[09:20] <level1> !linus
[09:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:20] <level1> can I fix that?
[09:20] <DaSkreech> !stallman
[09:20] <ubotu> rms is Richard Matthew Stallman, founder of the GNU project. See !gnu and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
[09:20] <benny_> DaSkreech: I user commandline.
[09:20] <DaSkreech>  :)
[09:20] <DaSkreech> I win
[09:20] <DaSkreech> benny_: And that's not a file manager ?
[09:20] <level1> if there is a rms, there should be a linus
[09:20] <pillowpants> is it possible to reset a password?
[09:20] <DaSkreech> level1: I said that a long time ago
[09:20] <pillowpants> i just changed it, then forgot
[09:20] <DaSkreech> level1: Write one
[09:20] <pillowpants> surely this is a common scenario
[09:20] <level1> DaSkreech: go to #debian and type "!vrms"
[09:21] <DaSkreech> pillowpants: No you must return the computer to the store. Muwahahahaha
[09:21] <DaSkreech> !info vrms
[09:21] <ubotu> vrms: virtual Richard M. Stallman. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.12 (feisty), package size 11 kB, installed size 108 kB
[09:21] <benny_> DaSkreech: it's a file system thank you :)
[09:21] <pillowpants> itll come to me
[09:21] <robby> write a formal letter to microsoft and tell them you lost you password?
[09:21] <DaSkreech> benny_: Umm no a command line is not a file system :)
[09:21] <robby> ;p
[09:21] <pillowpants> im getting the variations wrong
[09:21] <level1> DaSkreech: the #debian one is funnier
[09:21] <pillowpants> on ubuntu, silly
[09:21] <robby> j/k
[09:21] <level1> DaSkreech: what happens when you install vrms
[09:21] <pillowpants> in windows you just read the registry cache
[09:22] <pillowpants> easy peasy to crack
[09:22] <benny_> DaSkreech: ah.. you knows your stuff.. :)  it's shell isn't it :)
[09:22] <DaSkreech> pillowpants: you can reset it even easier in linux
[09:22] <DaSkreech> it's a reboot away
[09:22] <pillowpants> rebooting the computer will give it my old passwd?
[09:22] <DaSkreech> benny_: Yeah :) it's how you manage your commands which are all files and work on files
[09:23] <DaSkreech> pillowpants: at the grub menu press esc then e then down then e then type single press enter then b
[09:23] <DaSkreech> pillowpants: Instahack!
[09:23] <benny_> DaSkreech: I guess what I meant was. "I'm too stuborn to use gui's" :)
[09:23] <robby> nice
[09:23] <pillowpants> never mind, its my old pass
[09:23] <robby> i did not know that
[09:23] <pillowpants> i set one for root instead
[09:23] <pillowpants> on accident
[09:24] <DaSkreech> pillowpants: more reasons to password protect grub
[09:24] <pillowpants> DaSkreech : i was unaware of that
[09:24] <pillowpants> ok, fresh question
[09:24] <level1> DaSkreech: no computer is invicible to the magic livecd
[09:24] <pillowpants> how do you reset root password to nothing
[09:24] <DaSkreech> level1: how about one without a CD drive ?
[09:24] <level1> DaSkreech: unless you lock down your hard drive, bios, and put a key lock on the case
[09:24] <DaSkreech> That I've forgotten
[09:25] <benny_> I prefer to crypt my drives and power down when I'm not using..
[09:25] <level1> pillowpants: does it say in man passwd?
[09:25] <DaSkreech> THough if it has USB ports you are still shot
[09:25] <level1> DaSkreech: so the most secure computer is one buried in a feild with all the parts removed and the power cord cut?
[09:25] <pillowpants> level1 : yeah it does
[09:25] <pillowpants> i need to learn to check man before i ask stuff
[09:26] <level1> pillowpants: hold on, theres a xkcd you need to read
[09:26] <DaSkreech> level1: bingo. the computer that cannot be used is the safest there is
[09:26] <level1> pillowpants: http://xkcd.com/293/
[09:26] <benny_> unless it's the computer telling the missile.. "do not launch"
[09:27] <DaSkreech> as I was indicating to pillowpants before the more convenient something is to use the less secure it is
[09:27] <level1> benny_: what idiot, besides the us military, would design such a computer?
[09:27] <sbucatino> hi i have this problem : gutsy tribe 5 extra keys work; gutsy tribe 5 exstra keys don t want work :( someone knows where i can go to talk about this ?
[09:27] <pillowpants> level1 : whats xkcd?
[09:27] <sbucatino> hi i have this problem : gutsy tribe 3 extra keys work; gutsy tribe 5 exstra keys don t want work :( someone knows where i can go to talk about this ?
[09:27] <DaSkreech> level1: the north Korean military ?
[09:27] <robby> they should make computer towers built like brinks safes
[09:27] <level1> pillowpants: a very funny webcomic
[09:28] <benny_> so.. as I was saying.. the computer telling the US military missile not to launch :)
[09:28] <DaSkreech> pillowpants: A webcomic of math tech and romance
[09:28] <level1> DaSkreech: correction: "
[09:28] <level1> xkcd.com logo
[09:28] <level1> A webcomic of romance,
[09:28] <level1>  sarcasm, math, and language.
[09:28] <level1> sorry
[09:28] <DaSkreech> I knew math and romance
[09:28] <pillowpants> level1 : ill check it out
[09:29] <DaSkreech> sbucatino: #ubuntu+1
[09:29] <ninniuz> hi all, I'm running kubuntu 7.04 but it seems like my adept is old
[09:30] <pillowpants> ive never known a toaster that came with a man page
[09:30] <DaSkreech> how old is it?
[09:30] <benny_> so I haven't done the chatty thing in like 5-6 years.. I joined #2CPU also.. seems like 2 bots going at it.. very funny.
[09:30] <ninniuz> I don't have the new panel under manage repositories
[09:30] <DaSkreech> pillowpants: :)
[09:30] <ninniuz> how can it be?
[09:30] <DaSkreech> ninniuz: Ah you need to install a package
[09:30] <ninniuz> oh my, trying to figure it out for a long time now
[09:30] <ninniuz> which package?
[09:30] <level1> pillowpants: well, if you ever get a unix based toaster... no, just don't, they suck
[09:30] <pillowpants> http://xkcd.com/294/
[09:30] <pillowpants> that one is good
[09:31] <level1> pillowpants: they all are very funny
[09:31] <pillowpants> level1 : its been bookmarked
[09:31] <level1> has anyone here ever gone on #java?  http://xkcd.com/322/ <- its 100% true
[09:31] <level1> anyway, offtopic
[09:32] <DaSkreech> I think it's kubunt-default-settings ninniuz
[09:32] <benny_> yeah.. they are putting thosee rfids on everything.. I'll be surprised if my kid didn't get one implanted at the hospital.
[09:33] <pillowpants> benny_ : what do you know of that has them?
[09:33] <pillowpants> nothing simple emp would take care of
[09:34] <icecruncher> hi all, I cant transfer exe's from linux to win and run them
[09:34] <icecruncher> what to do?
[09:34] <benny_> there goes that nuke that the computer let go of.. it's EMP will disable my kids rfid.
[09:34] <Jucato> icecruncher: of course you can't, Linux isn't Windows. windows programs won't run natively in Linux. try to use someting like Wine
[09:34] <Jucato> !wine | icecruncher
[09:34] <ubotu> icecruncher: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[09:34] <pillowpants> benny_ : you can make one from a battery some wire and a paper clip
[09:35] <ninniuz> DaSkreech: already got it
[09:35] <benny_> pillowpants: what!! no duct tape!!
 no i download them in linux, put them on thumb drive, but can't run them in win
[09:35] <pillowpants> benny_ : or some wire and one of those throw away cameras you get at the grocery store
[09:35] <pillowpants> makes it easier
[09:35] <Jucato> icecruncher: weird
[09:35] <pillowpants> household knowledge in these days of rfid
[09:36] <level1> its funny that people think that windows programs should run on linux, I mean, they don't run on mac... as it happens, a linux box is a far better "windows emulator" than mac could ever be
[09:36] <Jucato> !offtopic | everyone
[09:36] <ubotu> everyone: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:36] <Jucato> level1: nah it was my fault. it was different situation
[09:36] <DaSkreech> ninniuz: software-properties-kde ?
[09:36] <pillowpants> i wonder if anyone ever goes to offtopic
[09:37] <Jucato> #ubuntu-offtopic is high traffic I heard
[09:37] <DaSkreech> level1: It's a far better windows emulator than windows will ever be
[09:37] <ninniuz> this one I don't
[09:37] <DaSkreech> ninniuz: that should be it
[09:37] <level1> DaSkreech: lol, well, knetworkmanager has to be fixed first :)
[09:37] <ninniuz> let's see | DaSkreech
[09:37] <xevious> so let's talk about leprechauns
[09:38] <xevious> who's got a good leprechaun story?
[09:38] <DaSkreech> level1: No that's a usable OS emulator :)
[09:38] <Jucato> xevious: ??
[09:38] <xevious> :D
[09:38] <benny_> this leprechaun walks into a bar.....
[09:38] <xevious> sweet
[09:38] <DaSkreech> level1: I have at least 6 programs that I can't get to work in Windows that I can on Linux
[09:38] <xevious> ...
[09:39] <xevious> benny_: go on...
[09:39] <level1> DaSkreech: I just want some of the more ridiculous bugs to fixed
[09:39] <DaSkreech> xevious: you know betterthan that
[09:39] <ninniuz> DaSkreech: yup it is, thank you!!!
[09:39] <pillowpants> benny_ : dam you, do not leave us hanging
[09:39] <DaSkreech> level1: dude it's barely at version 0.5
[09:39] <DaSkreech> ninniuz: Welcome Enjoy!
[09:40] <ninniuz> see ya all!
[09:40] <DaSkreech> ninniuz: please come again@
[09:40] <ninniuz> I will :-)
[09:40] <xevious> i think i just broke my finger
[09:40] <xevious> cool
[09:40] <xevious> alright. ima go deal with this
[09:41] <DaSkreech> Use ya lucky charms!
[09:41] <xevious> JAGER!
[09:41] <xevious> that's why i broke my finger
[09:41] <xevious> cool
[09:41] <benny_> sorry... I'm a blank on a good leprechaun joke.. I'm 3 glasses of wine to the wind.. I was more making a point about my uncanny ability to be off-topic.
[09:41] <xevious> alright byebye
[09:41] <DaSkreech> well
[09:41] <DaSkreech> bedtime
[09:41] <xevious> i'm a bottle of jager to the wind
[09:41] <DaSkreech> night all
[09:42] <xevious> and a broken finger
[09:42] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I'm sorry
[09:42] <benny_> night DaSkreech
[09:42] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I'm liking D3lphin
[09:42] <DaSkreech> night benny_Hope I see ya again
[09:42] <xevious> g'night daskreech
[09:42] <DaSkreech> I still won't use it
[09:43] <DaSkreech> but it's shiny
[09:43] <DaSkreech> I don't think I can get my head around using it pre nepomuk
[09:43] <Jucato> good luck trying to compress stuff
[09:43] <level1> DaSkreech: I like the basic idea of Konqueror, still
[09:43] <benny_> nepomuk???
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :-)
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Can it do  in line previews?
[09:43] <DaSkreech> I haven't tried that
[09:43] <Jucato> inline?
[09:44] <DaSkreech> benny_: You'll find out in time
[09:44] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Yeah. You never did previews in Konqui ?
[09:44] <benny_> damnit.. will googling nepomuk do any good?
[09:44] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I did previews. but what do you mean by inline?
[09:44] <Jucato> benny_: yes
[09:44] <Jucato> but don't expect it to be quite easily understandable
[09:44] <DaSkreech> Of movies and stuff
[09:44] <benny_> oh god.
[09:44] <DaSkreech>  and it just plays in Konqueror?
[09:45] <level1> cpu abuse much?
[09:45] <Jucato> you mean embedded playing?
[09:45] <level1> and hard drive abuse
[09:45] <DaSkreech> Pfft
[09:45] <DaSkreech>  it can't even do previews at all
[09:45] <Jucato> Preview in -> App?
[09:45] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[09:45] <benny_> resarchers.... comprehensive.. vapor ware?
[09:45] <Jucato> it can do static previews
[09:45] <DaSkreech> kparts
[09:45] <DaSkreech> how?
[09:45] <Jucato> Set it to use Preview view
[09:45] <Jucato> it can't do Embedded previews
[09:45] <level1> DaSkreech: what if you had a folder with 200 movies in it? its not unheard of
[09:46] <DaSkreech> level1: Eh?
[09:46] <Jucato> you have to launch app sepearately
[09:46] <Jucato> level1: you didn't understand
[09:46] <DaSkreech> level1: no not like jpeg previews
[09:46] <Jucato> level1: go to a folder in Konqueror with a video, then right-click, select Preview in -> Kaffeine (for example)
[09:46] <Jucato> then it will play inside konqueror, and embedded vide player
[09:46] <DaSkreech> In konqueror you can mouse over a sound and it will start playing
[09:47] <level1> Jucato: oh I know what your talking about
[09:47] <DaSkreech> You can right click a file and preview in -> an app and it will play inside konqueror
[09:47] <Jucato> yes. DaSkreech just used the wrong teerm
[09:47] <Jucato> term*
[09:47] <DaSkreech> you can put it in the media player inthe sidebar
[09:47] <DaSkreech> and you can open it
[09:47] <xevious> nepomuk is awesome
[09:47] <level1> Jucato: I'd be interested in an operating system that's essentially a giant konqueror window with tabs and split views
[09:47] <level1> Jucato: maybe not the best idea, but I'd like to see it
[09:48] <Jucato> it's not a OS that you need. just a window manager w/ tabs
[09:48] <DaSkreech> level1: I think you are mixing up OS and file manager
[09:48] <Jucato> there are already some things like that
[09:48] <DaSkreech> Like Konqueror maybe ?
[09:48] <Jucato> tabbed window managers (use instead of kwin)
[09:48] <level1> Jucato: well, I played with tiling window managers, and they, well, excuse me, but they suck
[09:48] <benny_> yeah.. but can i run compiz fusion with it?
[09:48] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I don't call opening a whole new app "previewing"
[09:48] <benny_> :)
[09:49] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I did say it doesn't do embedded views
[09:49] <DaSkreech> benny_: No
[09:49] <level1> Jucato: I mean, they are designed for people like you, not people like me who like flashy stuff
[09:49] <Jucato> which you keep on calling "inline preview"
[09:49] <DaSkreech> compiz_fusion replaces it
[09:49] <benny_> damnit.. I want my spinning cube.
[09:49] <Jucato> level1: what are you talking about?
[09:49] <DaSkreech> Kparts are not new apps
[09:49] <level1> benny_: running a tiling window manager and compiz fusion at the same time doesn't make any sense
[09:50] <Jucato> DaSkreech: which part of the "it doesn't do embedded viewing" did I not communicate properly?
[09:50] <benny_> unless you're 3 sheets to the wind!
[09:50] <DaSkreech> Jucato: konqueror can do previews with out embedded views
[09:51] <DaSkreech> mouse over and the music starts to play
[09:51] <level1> Jucato: well, tiling window managers tend to have this "anti-gui" ideology... for example, none of the ones I tried allowed you to resize the tiles with your mouse, you were requireded to use a keyboard shortcut
[09:51] <Jucato> DaSkreech: we were talking about videos earlier right? that's what I'm referring to
[09:51] <DaSkreech> Yeah I haven't figured outa good way to preview movies from thumbnails
[09:51] <Jucato> the audio "preview" is a specific plugin of konqueror too
[09:52] <Jucato> level1: so how did that apply to e? I don't even use any window manager other than kwin?
[09:52] <DaSkreech> Thought you could do thumbnails of X% spots and slideshow them
[09:52] <Jucato> "to me"
[09:52] <level1> where do you find konqueror plugins?
[09:52] <Jucato> konq-plugins
[09:53] <Jucato> (installed by default)
[09:53] <level1> Jucato: sorry, I shouldn't have mentioned you, but you strike me as the kind of person who would use a keyboard shortcut or command line util as much as possible
[09:53] <Jucato> O.o
[09:53] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[09:53] <xevious> i want an app that plots network connections on a per port basis on a big radar screen
[09:53] <DaSkreech> So what can you tell about me from my IRC typing?
[09:54] <DaSkreech> xevious: you already have one
[09:54] <level1> Jucato: Im sorry :(
[09:54] <xevious> DaSkreech: really??
[09:54] <DaSkreech> xevious: Yeah it's a screensaver
[09:54] <xevious> oh sweeet
[09:54] <xevious> no way
[09:54] <level1> DaSkreech: you have a predisposition to like kubuntu
[09:54] <level1> DaSkreech: also, you have a computer
[09:55] <benny_> wait..
[09:55] <level1> Jucato: I want a kubuntu member badge!
[09:55] <benny_> you get a badge!!
[09:55] <DaSkreech> yeah
[09:55] <DaSkreech> try /whois jucato
[09:55] <DaSkreech> ubuntu member
[09:55] <xevious> DaSkreech: do you know what the screensaver is called?
[09:55] <xevious> DaSkreech: because i'm pretty sure i dont have it
[09:56] <xevious> i seem to remember that one though
[09:56] <xevious> but wasn't it processes that it plotted?
[09:56] <benny_> damn this IRC do-jobber is cool.. whois and everything.
[09:56] <level1> why don't youtube videos fullscreen in quite the same way as windows? I know the political answer, but whats the technical answer?  it bothers me...
[09:57] <DaSkreech> xevious: in the options you can set it to network
[09:57] <level1> benny_: I know, IRC is so sophisticated, it must be one of those programs that you need a fancy graphics card and a quad core to run
[09:57] <level1> like vista
[09:58] <xevious> DaSkreech: oh i only have kscreensaver installed, not kscreensaver-xsavers and kscreensaver-xsavers-extra
[09:58] <DaSkreech> there you go
[09:58] <benny_> yeah.. wish I had a quad.
[09:58] <DaSkreech> Which reminds me
[09:58] <benny_> I'll have to settle for a 64 way.
[09:58] <DaSkreech> Need to find out how screensavers are done in kde4
[09:59] <Jucato> if there are any...
[09:59] <level1> DaSkreech: I'd really like to have an integrated plasma viewer in kde4's kdesktop_lock... I know theres security issues, but theres a few things I'd like to have there
[10:00] <level1> I think I'll propose that or maybe even write it myself if its simple
[10:00] <benny_> what's a plasma viewer?
[10:00] <level1> benny_: plasma is the new kde 4 desktop
[10:01] <xevious> so i installed all the xscreensaver packages, along with the kscreensaver hooks and... it added absolutely no screensavers to my list
[10:01] <xevious> oh well
[10:01] <level1> benny_: have you heard of superkaramba or gdesklets, or yahoo widgets or google widgets or the mac dashboard?
[10:01] <Jucato> DaSkreech: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeartwork/kscreensaver
[10:01] <benny_> yep...
[10:02] <xevious> g'night folks
[10:02] <Jucato> xevious: not xscreensaver. those are different
[10:02] <level1> benny_: its like that but 10000 times more awesome because its kde and everything they make is awesome
[10:02] <benny_> night xevious..
[10:02] <benny_> level1: mmkay..
[10:02] <xevious> Jucato: kscreensaver-xsavers is a wrapper to let xscreensaver work through kscreensaver
[10:02] <benny_> :)
[10:02] <xevious> byebye
[10:02] <Jucato> ok
[10:03] <pillowpants> http://xkcd.com/303/
[10:04] <pillowpants> genius
[10:04] <pillowpants> at any rate, i must be off
[10:04] <pillowpants> thanks for the help
[10:04] <benny_> heh heh..
[10:04] <elkang> nice =)
[10:05] <level1> http://xkcd.com/311/
[10:05] <DaSkreech> So plasma isn't taking over screensaves?
[10:05] <level1> Da
[10:05] <benny_> so you use wifi with linux level1.. I gather from you earlier questions.. I tried it once, but I had to use a wrapper.. first time my computer crashed on linux.
[10:06] <stefang7> bonjour
[10:06] <level1> DaSkreech: I doubt it, but since the desktop lock has historically been part of the desktop, I'm assuming its already part of plasma, so it would be easy to hack in a fix like the one I'm suggesting
[10:07] <level1> benny_: well, intel pro wireless works mostly well in linux
[10:07] <DaSkreech> Hmm I should get hacking on kscreensaver then :)
[10:07] <DaSkreech> anyway
[10:07] <DaSkreech> for real
[10:07] <DaSkreech> Good night all
[10:07] <benny_> night DaSkreech..
[10:07] <benny_> I should head that way myself.. I'll be hurting tomorrow trying to do real work.
[10:08] <level1> http://xkcd.com/306/
[10:08] <DaSkreech> benny_: I know First time I installed linux I did it with a month free cause I knew I'd be up nights playing with it
[10:09] <benny_> heh heh.. ok.. that's a good one.
[10:09] <DaSkreech> benny_: Here it is 7 years later and I still won't go to bed
[10:09] <DaSkreech> No wait that can't be right
[10:09] <benny_> yeah.. sleep sucks.. until you need to wake up.
[10:09] <level1> http://xkcd.com/299/
[10:10] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[10:10] <benny_> *shamefully* not a gamer :(
[10:10] <level1>  /http:\/\/xkcd.com\/[0-9] {1-3}\//
[10:10] <level1> or, in not perl, they are all funny
[10:11] <benny_> wow.. a regex url?
[10:11] <level1> heh heh, perl
[10:12] <benny_> I've got to learn php one of these days.
[10:13] <benny_> I use perl like a crutch, but php seems to be used a lot now also.
[10:13] <emilsedgh> benny_: php is so easy
[10:14] <emilsedgh> benny_: just start
[10:14] <benny_> I installed mediawiki the other day.. seems similar in syntax.
[10:14] <level1> perl is such a ridiculous language
[10:14] <level1> wikipedia has its own langauge?
[10:14] <benny_> mediawiki.. the software.. serverside.
[10:14] <emilsedgh> noooo, mediawiki is php
[10:15] <benny_> it was my first real look at php.
[10:15] <benny_> shit.. I gotta go to bed..
[10:15] <benny_> night all..
[10:16] <emilsedgh> benny_: you looked into a wrong place, mediawiki hasnt very nice code, at least i feel so
[10:16] <emilsedgh> night
[10:18] <level1> http://xkcd.com/271/  <- I loled, and then I serioused, and then i loled again
[10:18] <level1> I guess thats why they didn't choose one
[10:39] <ardchoille> !ot | level1
[10:39] <ubotu> level1: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:51] <leileilol> hey how do i configure refresh rates? i'm stuck at 75hz max, and my monitor can do 120hz
[10:51] <leileilol> and 85hz in 1024x768
[11:06] <sbucatino> !ot
[11:06] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:15] <anto> Somone here that can help me install my nvidia drivers?
[11:19] <ardchoille> !nvidia | anto see this page:
[11:19] <ubotu> anto see this page:: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:19] <anto> ardchoille, i know those pages of by heart but they don't work i had to reinstall my now.
[11:20] <ardchoille> anto: Which card do you have?
[11:20] <anto> ardchoille, Nvidia GeFore 6600 series
[11:21] <Chokoloff> there's no problem with this card
[11:22] <ardchoille> anto: Which steps did you actually perform? Maybe I can help you troubleshoot
[11:22] <Chokoloff> I have this one on my home pc and it works fine, just download drivers on the nVidia's official website ^^
[11:23] <anto> ardchoille, well currentl none because i'm reinstall my computer but when its done i want to have some help, yesterday i had a OP from this channel that coudln't help me
[11:23] <ardchoille> Chokoloff: That's not a good idea. If you do that then you have to reinstall every time your kernel gets updated
[11:23] <anto> ardchoille, Dont i have to do that with debs :o?
[11:23] <Chokoloff> yes that's true :p
[11:23] <Chokoloff> no anto
[11:25] <ardchoille> anto: Ok, I'll try to help you
[11:25] <ardchoille> anto: Open a terminal and see if the linux-restricted-modules is installed for your kernel. Type this: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[11:26] <anto> ardchoille, the computer is not done reinstall i'm currently on my laptop
[11:27] <ardchoille> anto: When the computer is ready, come back here and I'll try to help you get the nvidia driver installed and working
[11:27] <ardchoille> anto: I have installed nvidia drivers on over 100 machines so it's not that hard.
[11:28] <Chokoloff> welcome in da club ardchoille
[11:28] <ardchoille> ta
[11:31] <jussi01> Hmmm, can I get some help with sftp? I have a url, username and password, but what is the host?
[11:33] <ardchoille> jussi01: most likely:  username@host  and then it'l ask for the pass
[11:35] <santibiotico> hi
[11:35] <cengiz> hi
[11:35] <santibiotico> im trying to install feisty on a workstation and when i am partitioning the disk the system doesn't allow me to create partitions higher than 35G
[11:36] <santibiotico> nor ext3, nor xfs
[11:36] <jussi01> thanks ardchoille sorted
[11:36] <santibiotico> whenever i define the size, the system seems to be creating the partition with the specified size, but the result is a 35 G partition
[11:36] <santibiotico> any idea?
[11:38] <joss> hi
[11:39] <joss> can somebody help me with the installation of a wifi card
[11:39] <Samuli^> anyone tried KDE4?
[11:40] <Tm_T> !fi | Samuli^
[11:40] <ubotu> Samuli^: Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[11:41] <Samuli^> what's the channel for 7.10?
[11:41] <sasho_> zdr
[11:41] <sasho_> na vsi4ki
[11:41] <sasho_> kak ste
[11:43] <[warnnG] > :}
[11:44] <ardchoille> Samuli^: #ubuntu+1
[11:44] <Samuli^> thanks
[11:44] <leileilol> how do i configure maximum refresh rates for resolutions? I am stuck to 75hz max, and i know my monitor can go higher
[11:44] <leileilol> using fglrx driver.
[11:48] <Samuli^> you could try and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf,  VertRefresh under the monitor section
[11:49] <Samuli^> but you better be sure your monitor can handle higher refresh rate with the bit depth and resolution you have
[11:54] <jussi01> Hmmm, how do I copy over files/folders from an ssh connection in terminal?
[11:54] <SlimeyPete> !scp
[11:54] <ubotu> SCP is a secure way of copying files across networks using !SSH. Usage: scp filename user@host:filename - WinSCP is a client for Windows, available at http://winscp.net/
[11:55] <anto> ardchoille, its installed now what should i do
[11:55] <sbucatino> joss: ?
[11:56] <sbucatino> joss: i will be back in 30 minutes
[11:56] <linusfx> hello
[11:56] <linusfx> anyone knows how to configure routers?
[11:57] <anto> ardchoille, you still here to help me?
[11:57] <jussi01> thanks SlimeyPete
[12:00] <anto> ardchoille, i got linux-restricted-modules-generic installed should i install nvidia-glx-new now?
[12:01] <ardchoille> anto: Hold on
[12:01] <anto> ardchoille, Oki
[12:02] <ardchoille> anto: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:02] <anto> ardchoille, whats the difference between nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new ?
[12:02] <anto> ardchoille, its installed now
[12:03] <ardchoille> anto: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[12:03] <anto> Oki
[12:03] <ardchoille> anto: Do you know how to restart x?
[12:03] <anto> yes of course i do i'm not that stupid :P
[12:04] <ardchoille> ok, try it and see if the driver is installed and working
[12:04] <anto> just copying a few files give me a second
[12:04] <bazhang> hi ardchoille
[12:04] <ardchoille> hi bazhang
[12:06] <anto> ardchoille, it was so easy i'm inbarrsed :(
[12:07] <JohnFlux> how do I set what permissions pmount mounts with?
[12:07] <ardchoille> anto: Yes, it's easy. Too manypeople make it harder than it is. All I did was walk you through the tutorial for your card.
[12:08] <anto> ardchoille, i got another problem now :S when i try and start my favorit game (tibia) it says the file dose not exist.
[12:09] <ardchoille> anto: How are you starting the game? From the kmenu? Launcher?
[12:10] <anto> No its a binary file so i tried starting it like ./Tibia
[12:10] <ardchoille> anto: Does the file begin with an upper case "T"?
[12:11] <ardchoille> anto: Linux is case sensitive
[12:11] <anto> and now after using nvidia-settings to change the resolution of rmy screen my keyboard has changed to english but its a swedish keyboard how do i change it back
[12:11] <anto> ardchoille, i know very well that linux is case sensitive
[12:11] <ardchoille> anto: I can do without the smart remarks
[12:12] <anto> ardchoille, any idea on how to change it back to the swedish keyboard?
[12:15] <apparle> When is Gutsy gibbon 7.10 being released
[12:15] <anto> 18 of okt
[12:15] <bazhang> 10/18
[12:16] <anto> Can somone tell me why the konsole says there is no file or direct when trying to execute a file that exists in ls?
[12:17] <apparle> anto: Try putting "./" before the filename. Eg. to execute  a file named hello type ./hello in Kconsole
[12:18] <anto> apparle, yeah i know that but it says the file dose not exist and yes i'm writing case senstivite
[12:18] <apparle> anto : Are you in the directory
[12:19] <anto> apparle yes i am it shows upp when i do ls
[12:19] <mwansa> apparle, is ls shows the file then obviously he must be in the right directory
[12:19] <mwansa> if*
[12:20] <apparle> mwansa: sorry
[12:20] <apparle> anto: It is surely a bash script
[12:20] <shinobi> anyone have any thoughts on usb webcam drivers that may or not be included in gutsy? i'm getting corect i.d. in kopete, but no action...
[12:20] <anto> sh Tibia dose not work ither
[12:20] <anto> but it always worked before i reinstalled :(
[12:21] <shinobi> guess they might be kernel modules maybe
[12:23] <ardchoille> anto: file Tibia
[12:23] <anto> ardchoille, Okej 2 seconds
[12:24] <anto> Uhm gonna login on that pc
[12:24] <anto_> ardchoille: now there is two of me !
[12:24] <ardchoille> anto_: were you trying to start a gui game over ssh?
[12:24] <anto_> ardchoille: Result was Tibia: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[12:24] <anto_> ardchoille: no i was not
[12:24] <ardchoille> ok
[12:25] <bazhang> anto is that a dos game?
[12:25] <ardchoille> ok, it's a binary. What happens when you do:  ./Tibia   ?
[12:25] <anto> Bazhang they got a windows and linux version
[12:25] <apparle> Will the 64bit work on Pentium 4 processor?? I have dual core. I need this info for my friend
[12:26] <bazhang> anto which version of windows?
[12:26] <anto> from 2k to vista
[12:26] <ardchoille> anto: What happens when you do:  ./Tibia   ?
[12:26] <bazhang> high fps?
[12:27] <bazhang> apparle 64 bit gutsy?
[12:27] <anto> ardchoille, it says no file or directory called tibia
[12:27] <apparle> bazhang: Yes
[12:27] <ardchoille> anto: Then it's misspelled or something
[12:27] <ardchoille> anto: did you make the file executable?
[12:27] <bazhang> apparle P4 is !ghz or thereabouts?
[12:28] <anto> ardchoille, No i didn't :P
[12:28] <bazhang> oops 1Ghz*
[12:28] <ardchoille> anto: chmod a+x Tibia
[12:28] <ardchoille> Then: ./Tibia
[12:28] <apparle> bazang : What??
[12:28] <anto> what dose a stand for?
[12:28] <ardchoille> all
[12:28] <ardchoille> u = user, g = group, a = all
[12:29] <ardchoille> you can do u+x if you want
[12:29] <bazhang> apparle sorry is a P4 around one gigaherz?
[12:29] <apparle> bazang: 2.4 GHZ
[12:29] <anto> bash: ./Tibia: No Such file or directory
[12:29] <anto> but chmod worked fine
[12:29] <ardchoille> anto: Need to check the spelling
[12:30] <ardchoille> Wait, the chmod worked? But the ./ didn't?
[12:30] <ardchoille> Weird
[12:30] <anto> Yeah i know its realy weird
[12:31] <bazhang> apparle I tried it on a celeron awhile back (1.8 gigaherz) and it was slow, but still usable.
[12:31] <ardchoille> anto: ls -lha Tibia
[12:31] <ardchoille> ?
[12:32] <anto> -rwxr-xr-x 1 anto anto 5.0M 2007-06-26 12:36 Tibia
[12:32] <apparle> bazang: My friend inserted the Kubuntu 64bit feistyCD and got the masg that use 32 bit version. Does compatibility also depend on the motherboard??
[12:32] <feimao> !vbox
[12:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vbox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:33] <ardchoille> anto: Well, it's there, spelled correctly and its 755.. don't know what to tell you
[12:33] <anto> ardchoille, is it possible that its compiled for 32libs and i don't have them installed?
[12:33] <bazhang> apparle I believe so; why not download teh 32 bit version and try that, or does he have a slow net connection.
[12:34] <ardchoille> anto: Even if that were the case, bash shouldn't have returned: ./Tibia: No Such file or directory
[12:35] <apparle> bazhang: He wants to use the amd64 version
[12:35] <thanhcong> hello
[12:35] <anto> this is driving me mad
[12:35] <bazhang> apparle oh ok, never had one of those; sorry..
[12:37] <ardchoille> anto: Where did you get that game? I want to dl it and see for myself.
[12:37] <anto> www.tibia.com
[12:38] <anto> i'm runing amd64 kubuntu with Nvidia GeForce 6600
[12:45] <anto> ardchoille, any success?
[12:45] <lovre`afk> Hi all
[12:47] <niyado> alguien podria decirme donde puedo conseguir un manual para hacer un servidor de konversation?
[12:47] <lovre`afk> :D
[12:47] <lovre> !away
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[12:50] <buddyjohn_> can some-one help me with linux kubuntu please???
[12:51] <niyado> tell me
[12:51] <niyado> what happen whit kubuntu
[12:52] <buddyjohn_> ive dl ie7,fox,& other supported sites & cant make work
[12:52] <niyado> mmm the internet browsers?
[12:53] <buddyjohn_> y
[12:53] <niyado> ok
[12:53] <niyado> u have konqueror?
[12:53] <buddyjohn_> y
[12:53] <buddyjohn_> thats how i dl programs
[12:54] <niyado> ok, if u are using the pc for the irc that means that u have internet, but is wierd that u cant use the browsers, maybe u are traying to look for pages that need flash or something and u dont have the plugins
[12:54] <niyado> dl?
[12:54] <Jucato> download
[12:54] <Jucato> buddyjohn_: what are you trying to do?
[12:55] <niyado> oohh ok
[12:55] <Jucato> or what do you want to do?
[12:55] <buddyjohn_> ive got plugins but dont know how to install them
[12:55] <niyado> if u want to download programs try to download in terminal the Automatix2
[12:55] <niyado> mmm ok
[12:55] <Jucato> buddyjohn_: plugins for?
[12:56] <Jucato> !away > elkang|away
[12:56] <niyado> if u are using firefox go to Tools> Add-ons > and select the respect plugins that u want to us
[12:56] <niyado> e
[12:56] <buddyjohn_> plugs for fire fox exc.ok
[12:57] <buddyjohn_> tyvm
[12:57] <buddyjohn_> bye
[12:57] <niyado> well i have to go, good luck whit your problem bye
[12:57] <buddyjohn_> ty
[01:05] <Shyde> I got a problem with the system settings manager, sometimes when I want to enter administrator mode I don't get any prompt to enter my password. Sometimes it works though. any ideas?
[01:07] <Ash-Fox> Shyde, edgy?
[01:08] <Shyde> feisty
[01:08] <Shyde> the border goes red but nothing else happens
[01:08] <Ash-Fox> Hmm... I don't think I've seen authentication issues with kdesu on feisty yet..
[01:09] <D4m4ge> hello :)
[01:09] <Ash-Fox> Shyde, you could open konsole and type in "systemsettings", hit enter. When it happens, a error will likely be spat out in konsole then.
[01:10] <D4m4ge> I would like to launch the command scanbuttond on the start of kde, is it enough to put a text file in .kde/autostart/ named scanbuttond with inside /usr/bin/scanbuttond ?
[01:10] <D4m4ge> i tryied to install kcontrol-autostart with apt, it worked but i cant find autostart menu in the kcontrol
[01:11] <Shyde> Ash-Fox: now it worked, only thing I did was opening some random application with kdesu before trying on the system settings. I'll try that if it stops working again, thanks
[01:11] <Ash-Fox> D4m4ge, just create a symlink: ln -s /usr/bin/scanbuttond ~/.kde/Autostart/
[01:11] <D4m4ge> ok thanx Ash-Fox i will try that
[01:11] <Ash-Fox> Shyde, alright.
[01:18] <anto> ardchoille: My freind said that i might need to install the 32x libs
[01:19] <anto> ardchoille: thats why it worked before because i used the nvidia driver from there homepage, and installed the 32libs for me
[01:30] <anto> ardchoille: you there i found the problem i needed to install the 32libs :>
[01:30] <anto> ardchoille: but the current problem is this "error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[01:49] <denny_> hai all
[01:50] <jeri> hi everyone!
[01:51] <jeri> does anyone knows how accelerate my video card for dapper?
[01:52] <jeri> or make applications load faster
[01:53] <Chousuke> it doesn't affect application load speed
[01:53] <jeri> or atleast can you help how to load applications in kubuntu faster,hmm like windows
[01:54] <Chousuke> They load faster in windows?
[01:54] <Chousuke> I never noticed :/
[01:56] <jeri> i mean most applications or programs in windows load faster than in kubuntu,does this mean i need to replace my old Amd athlon xp 1.5 ghz?
[01:56] <anto> ardchoille: you there?
[01:56] <anto> can somone help me with "error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[01:58] <jeri> maybe windows xp  doesnt need higher speed when it comes to processor but eats a lot of memory
[01:59] <jeri> the more programs you install the more your memory is eaten
[01:59] <jeri> while in kubuntu you need higher processor speed but need only little memory than in windows
[02:00] <DexterF> !wifi
[02:00] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:00] <jeri> hey there ubotu
[02:01] <jeri> how can i make my kubunu boot faster?
[02:02] <DexterF> hi
[02:03] <DexterF> attached a known to be working usb wifi stick, kubuntu doesnt see it. can I re-scan or such?
[02:04] <jeri> how can i make my kubunu boot faster?
[02:04] <pag> !repeat | jeri
[02:05] <ubotu> jeri: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[02:12] <redoo> !help
[02:12] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:14] <anto> Can somone give me the libglu.so.1 32 bit library?=
[02:17] <ardchoille> anto: libGLU.so.1 is provided by libglu1-mesa
[02:18] <anto> ardchoille: http://pastebin.com/m47dfceb
[02:18] <anto> ardchoille: i got libglu1-mesa installed
[02:20] <ardchoille> anto: Then Tibia is looking for libGLU.so.1 in the wrong place
[02:21] <ardchoille> anto: Are you using the 64bit version of kubuntu?
[02:27] <anto> ardchoille: yes i am
[02:27] <ardchoille> anto: why?
[02:28] <ardchoille> You
[02:28] <ardchoille> you're going to continually run into problem with that.
[02:28] <anto> I don't realy care i only want that game to work, .
[02:29] <anto> the rest of the programs i use work with 64 bits.
[02:30] <ardchoille> With the number of problems and bugs I found with the 64 bit version, I can't help you with it, sorry.
[02:31] <anto> So your telling me to reinstall my computer yet again?
[02:31] <ardchoille> I don't remember saying that.
[02:31] <WaltzingAlong> but you did
[02:32] <anto> he didn't he just suggested it
[02:32] <anto> o well if it works then fine
[02:32] <anto> going to go to the server and burn another cd comming back soon
[02:42] <chn> is there any part in the system preferences for configurating TV cards?
[02:42] <chn> I mean somewhere to choose which chipset is my tv card use ...
[02:43] <WaltzingAlong> chn: not that i know.
[02:43] <WaltzingAlong> !v4l
[02:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about v4l - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:43] <WaltzingAlong> !v4l2
[02:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about v4l2 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:43] <firexdcc> hi
[02:43] <firexdcc> speak here germany?
[02:43] <ardchoille> !de
[02:43] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:43] <WaltzingAlong> doch gibt's
[02:43] <WaltzingAlong> !de | firexdcc
[02:43] <ubotu> firexdcc: please see above
[02:44] <firexdcc> thx
[02:44] <WaltzingAlong> bittesehr
[03:03] <JuJuBee> I manage a lab with 14 workstations.  Is there an easy way to install//remove software on all computers remotely?  I want to avoid logging into each one ...
[03:04] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: updates can be automatically installed through cron. or did you mean something else?
[03:05] <JuJuBee> Something else...  Like if I want to remove a particular program or install a new one...
[03:05] <JuJuBee> On all 14 computers.
[03:05] <ardchoille> JuJuBee: Utilise your package manager, that would be the easiest wy
[03:06] <ardchoille> JuJuBee: I have 11 computers, have played with many ideas but the package manager seems to be easiest and fastest.
[03:06] <WaltzingAlong> !info clusterssh
[03:06] <ubotu> clusterssh: administer multiple ssh or rsh shells simultaneously. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.19.1-4 (feisty), package size 38 kB, installed size 168 kB
[03:06] <JuJuBee> ardchoile : doesnt the pm require me to log into each machine?
[03:06] <ardchoille> JuJuBee: You can ssh in and do it that way if you want.
[03:07] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: sure set up priv/pub keys at least you can skip typing passwords then
[03:07] <ardchoille> yeah
[03:07] <JuJuBee> I would like to avoid loggin into each cmputer and doing apt-get...
[03:07] <ardchoille> JuJuBee: Then I feel you're going about it the hard way
[03:08] <JuJuBee> I don't understand...
[03:08] <ardchoille> It's nice to be able to admin 11 computers from one main box
[03:08] <JuJuBee> That's what I want to do...
[03:08] <ardchoille> ssh in and apt-get :)
[03:09] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: maybe clusterssh can help
[03:09] <JuJuBee> Is there no other way?  I am already doing that.
[03:09] <JuJuBee> i will read up on clusterssh.
[03:09] <JuJuBee> Thanks
[03:09] <ardchoille> JuJuBee: perhaps look into WaltzingAlong's suggestion?
[03:09] <WaltzingAlong> well and you would not be doing that so often i would guess
[03:09] <ardchoille> True
[03:10] <ardchoille> unless you install/remove things on a daily basis
[03:10] <WaltzingAlong> right
[03:10] <WaltzingAlong> i admin around 10 machines now using ssh in (with keys, not passwords), aptitude what i need, and out
[03:11] <ardchoille> JuJuBee: I would suggest using an rss feed reader and then subscribe to the ubuntu ssn to see when new updayes and security fixes are released. At least that way you know when to apt-get upgrade
[03:11] <JuJuBee> clusterssh looks like what I need.  Thanks...
[03:11] <WaltzingAlong> yeah and you could even construct your own list, have the others grab the list of things to be installed/removed, ...
[03:12] <ardchoille> JuJuBee: For a feed reader:  http://www.ubuntu.com/rss.xml
[03:12] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: chainssh.sf.net may be helpful too
[03:13] <JuJuBee> K, I'll take a look... Thanks
[03:14] <JuJuBee> Can you point me in the direction of learning how to use keys to avoid passwords on login?  That would be most helpfull...
[03:14] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: sure!
[03:14] <pfein> my thinkpad buttons don't seem to be working under Feisty... any ideas?
[03:15] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: search: passwordless ssh    http://www.securitydocs.com/library/3385   http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/Passwordless_ssh_logins.html     http://blogs.translucentcode.org/mick/archives/000230.html   http://www.math.ualberta.ca/imaging/snfs/passwordless.html
[03:15] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: you could also use ssh-agent to store the passwords
[03:15] <JuJuBee> Thanks WaltzingAlong, I didn't know what to call it...
[03:16] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: welcome
[03:20] <osceola_> neveroqtno!
[03:20] <osceola_> ko staa, wa
[03:23] <DexterF> hi again.
[03:24] <DexterF> knetwork-manager fails to setup wpa, can someone tell me how to setup the interface manually from a terminal?
[03:24] <The_Machine> how do i restart the 'sound' services?  (What would it be called in init.d?)
[03:24] <WaltzingAlong> DexterF: wpa supplicant
[03:24] <osceola>  
[03:25] <WaltzingAlong> DexterF: something like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263136
[03:25] <BobDH> Two questions...(1) how do I determine if I have a 64 bit Kubuntu system and (2) does the 64 bit distribution only work on AMD? I've just tried to install the new Creative X-Fi driver and it says it can only install on a 64 bit system. My dealer was to have installed said distro but it is an Intel.
[03:25] <DexterF> WaltzingAlong: ah, that helps, thanks
[03:25] <Broc93> Vado...
[03:25] <WaltzingAlong> BobDH: the 64bit version works with 64bit machines, amd and intel
[03:26] <WaltzingAlong> BobDH: uname -a        should tell you toward the end which machine type (i686 for example)
[03:26] <WaltzingAlong> BobDH: or just uname -m
[03:28] <hydrogen> WaltzingAlong: thats not necessarily true (both parts)
[03:29] <hydrogen> WaltzingAlong: 1) the 64bit version works on emt64 intel chips, not ia64
[03:29] <WaltzingAlong> right not all 64 bit chips, just the ones supporting x86
[03:29] <hydrogen> WaltzingAlong: 2) uname shows the target the kernel was compiled for, not what the processor can do
[03:30] <The_Machine> i was about to upgrade my kernel
[03:30] <WaltzingAlong> yes to know what he has installed on there
[03:30] <WaltzingAlong> no what cpu it is
[03:30] <The_Machine> and i don't want to fubar my nvidia drivers
[03:30] <The_Machine> any special precautions i should take?
[03:30] <WaltzingAlong> The_Machine: how did you install the ndivia modules?
[03:30] <The_Machine> should i justleave it alone?
[03:30] <hydrogen> The_Machine: if both nvidia-drivers and the kernel were installed through the package manager you should have no troubles
[03:30] <The_Machine> WaltzingAlong, pathetically, i don't even remember
[03:30] <The_Machine> it was like 6months ago
[03:31] <hydrogen> The_Machine: on another note, if the current kernel is working for you than theres no reason to mess around
[03:31] <The_Machine> alright..
[03:31] <The_Machine> i'll just leave it alone
[03:31] <The_Machine> ;)
[03:31] <The_Machine> (otoh, i do see that nvidia drivers seem to be installed from adaptec)
[03:31] <The_Machine> er
[03:31] <The_Machine> adept
[03:31] <The_Machine> sorry, i'm tired.
[03:32] <BobDH> Thanks. That lists *x86_64." Any idea why the drive would not install (it used the message "
[03:32] <BobDH> This product only support 64-bit Operating Systems
[03:32] <BobDH> Setup will now exit
[03:32] <WaltzingAlong> hydrogen: so you suggest getting system info through cat /proc/cpuinfo  ?
[03:33] <WaltzingAlong> BobDH: ok so it seems if uname -m showed x86_64 seems you have both a 64bit cpu and the 64bit distribution
[03:38] <DexterF> was wpa_supplicant in /var/run7 in earlier versions?
[03:59] <DexterF> should the kernel source contain a ubuntu subdir? i.e. if it's not there: something wrong?
[03:59] <clouder> How do I set a background color on the text of my desktop icons?  Sometimes my wallpaper has dark and light areas and neither just black or just white text will do, and the glow doesn't help much
[04:05] <bazhang> morning all
[04:12] <xMoth> Hello
[04:13] <xMoth> Does anybody know when today the RC from Gutsy Gibbon will be released?
[04:13] <Jucato> xMoth: try #ubuntu+1 people
[04:13] <Jucato> they might know
[04:13] <xMoth> ok thx
[04:14] <bjwebb> hi
[04:15] <hemi_> que pano chatos ?
[04:18] <bjwebb> what starts compiz automatically in kubuntu?
[04:18] <emilsedgh> !autostart | bjwebb
[04:18] <ubotu> bjwebb: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[04:19] <Jucato> !compiz
[04:19] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:35] <bjwebb> how do i run a graphical app as another user in gutsy?
[04:36] <Kachna> :/ kinda cpu leak in Xorg O.o
[04:37] <digitalhead> bjwebb: kdesudo should do it
[04:37] <bjwebb> digitalhead: well firstly it seems to run stuff with my home dir, instead of the other users
[04:38] <bjwebb> and i get connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[04:38] <digitalhead> bjwebb: try kdesu
[04:38] <bjwebb> digitalhead: afaik, thats just a link to kdesudo in gutsy
[04:39] <digitalhead> bjwebb: shouldn't be. Both should be an option since they have different features
[04:40] <bjwebb> they are :S
[04:40] <bjwebb> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root   root          7 2007-09-23 13:31 kdesu -> kdesudo
[04:41] <digitalhead> bjwebb: sorry, it was just a guess, I still use feisty... waiting for the stable release
[04:41] <Jucato> bjwebb: you can press Alt+F2, then click on the Options button to have the option to run as a different user
[04:42] <bjwebb> Jucato: hmm
[04:42] <Jucato> or you can try sux (just discovered it lately too)
[04:42] <Jucato> !info sux
[04:42] <ubotu> sux: wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-3.2 (feisty), package size 8 kB, installed size 64 kB
[04:42] <bjwebb> hey thanks!
[04:42] <bjwebb> i'd forgotten bout that
[04:43] <bjwebb> Jucato: that looks interesting too
[04:43] <Jucato> with sux, you basically enter "sux - username" to log in to the other user (dont' forget the -)
[04:43] <Jucato> then run apps like you would normally do
[04:44] <bjwebb> cool
[04:44] <Jucato> but don't forget to use kdesu for those apps that require it
[04:46] <bjwebb> Jucato: ?
[04:46] <bjwebb> like what?
[04:46] <Jucato> if you're going to run GUI apps as root from the command line (or from alt+F2), always use kdesu, not sudo
[04:47] <bjwebb> is sux okay for that tho?
[04:47] <Jucato> even if you use sux
[04:48] <arkygeek> hi.  when i activate the osx-like menu bar, i am not able to mve things around in it, and items are all centered on it.  there is seemingly no way to set panel prefs for it either.  (feisty fawn)
[04:56] <Ash-Fox> Anyone happen to know the equilivant of doing a '\n' in bash script in a echo?
[04:58] <fdoving> Ash-Fox: echo '\n' ?
[04:58] <fdoving> Ash-Fox: i of course mean:  echo -e '\n'
[04:59] <Ash-Fox> fdoving, ah, thanks very much
[04:59] <fdoving> the -e is the enable-backslash-escaped things switch.
[04:59] <fdoving> Ash-Fox: keep in mind that echo will add a trailing \n to everything, so echo '
[05:00] <fdoving> echo -e '\n' will actually output two times: \n
[05:00] <fdoving> Ash-Fox: so echo -en '\n' might be what you want.
[05:01] <Jucato> ##bash might have more ideas. (there's a channel for that right? O.o)
[05:02] <Jucato> fdoving: thanks for that too. nice info to have...
[05:08] <markofr> hello
[05:08] <markofr> arethere any kubuntu gurus
[05:09] <nosrednaekim> sure there are:)
[05:09] <markofr> ok :D
[05:09] <nosrednaekim> markofr: go ahead and ask
[05:09] <Jucato> !ask
[05:09] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:09] <markofr> i need a name of apt package that will install qt4 c++ development framework from trolltech
[05:10] <nosrednaekim> markofr: qt-develop?
[05:10] <nosrednaekim> qt-designer..
[05:10] <nosrednaekim> and kdevelop4
[05:10] <Jucato> (there's not qt develop :P)
[05:10] <nosrednaekim> yeah ;)
[05:10] <markofr> i do not need tools
[05:10] <Brocaway> Sono tornato...
[05:10] <Jucato> Broc93: not again!
[05:10] <nosrednaekim> he wants magic I guess ;)
[05:11] <markofr> but qt source
[05:11] <markofr> ok
[05:11] <markofr> i will get
[05:11] <markofr> it fomr trolltech
[05:11] <nosrednaekim> markofr: qt source?
[05:11] <Jucato> markofr: we have packages
[05:11] <Jucato> you can try searching in Adept Manager or use "apt-cache search qt4"
[05:11] <Broc93> Jucato: what?
[05:12] <nosrednaekim> is there any way to permanantly stop arts?
[05:12] <Jucato> it depends on what exactly do you need (Qt 4 for runtime? or headers/development files)
[05:12] <Broc93> It's only an automated message
[05:12] <nosrednaekim> its using like 87% of my CPU
[05:12] <Jucato> Broc93: I thought you were going to have a test run again
[05:12] <Broc93> Jucato: no, It's the message that appears when I type /back or /away
[05:13] <Jucato> I see...
[05:13] <Jucato> !away
[05:13] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[05:16] <Walkboss> Hello! I'll make this short. Shift+Backspace crashes my system (or restarts XGL according to Google) and I found a command that is supposed to remedy it, but I get various errors when I enter the command.
[05:17] <nosrednaekim> Walkboss: what errors?
[05:17] <nosrednaekim> !arts
[05:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about arts - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:17] <poison--> hi guys
[05:18] <fdoving> nosrednaekim: is that the DontZap feature in X? which is supposed to be ctrl-alt-backspace ?
[05:18] <poison--> im trying to make a HD of 40GB ext3 using gparted, but everytime its ends the jobs, it gives me an unknown partition
[05:19] <Walkboss> Wait.. I'm stupid. When I copied and pasted the command it left the quotation marks slanted or whatever.   instead of " "
[05:19] <Walkboss> the command worked when I fixed it. Thanks anyway!
[05:19] <nosrednaekim> fdoving: yeah... except one less key for XGL... really gets me when i'm writing.
[05:19] <nosrednaekim> Walkboss: put that command at the end of you .bashrc
[05:20] <Walkboss> That runs it at startup, right?
[05:20] <fdoving> nosrednaekim: doesn't DontZap in xorg.conf work?
[05:20] <nosrednaekim> fdoving: never heard of it...
[05:20] <nosrednaekim> Walkboss: yeah...
[05:21] <Walkboss> Right. Thanks again.
[05:21] <nosrednaekim> Walkboss: I think so, but maybe you should add it to /usr/bin/startkde
[05:21] <nosrednaekim> Walkboss: 'm not sure if .bashrc is called whenever you log in from kdm
[05:22] <Dalton> has anyone got a link to a how-to for creating a kubuntu bootable usbkey?  I have an 8 GB usb key that I want to get a kubuntu dvd live image onto it
[05:22] <Walkboss> I had that command in there already but with Terminate_Server added on the end. I'll try what you suggested
[05:22] <WaltzingAlong> !info arts
[05:23] <ubotu> arts: sound system from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.6-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB
[05:23] <bazhang> Dalton: pendrivelinux dot com has some excellent walkthroughs.
[05:23] <fdoving> nosrednaekim: you can use Option "DontZap" "true" in the ServerFlags section to disable ctrl-alt-backspace. i can't verify that for shift+backspace as i don't use XGL.
[05:24] <Jucato> !pendrive
[05:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pendrive - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:24] <Jucato> bah....
[05:24] <Jucato> Dalton: in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ you can try searching for something like "Pendrive"
[05:24] <nosrednaekim> fdoving: I like ctrl+alt+bckspace... its really useful. but its  not RePLACED by shift+bckspace..
[05:24] <Jucato> iirc there was a blog post or article before about that too... but can't recall where. try Googling..
[05:24] <Dalton> Thanks bazhang - exactly what I needed
[05:25] <bazhang> Dalton: sure; lots of info about Ubuntu.
[05:25] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: yeah... I Remeber seeing it on Tuxmachines.... search for " persistent kubuntu install"
[05:27] <Walkboss> Also, when I press the "off button" in the corner or whatever (or I even press it on my computer itself) the options "shutdown" "log out" "restart" etc. are supposed to show up, but I only see "log out". I made sure "Offer shutdown options" is enabled in the Session Manager, but no dice.
[05:28] <Walkboss> I noticed the options are there before I started using the "nvidia" driver instead of "nv" but I'm not sure if it's related.
[05:29] <nosrednaekim> Walkboss: thats another common bug... and there is a fix for it too. (its a problem with XGL)
[05:29] <Jucato> Walkboss: does shutdown and restart also appear when you try to shutdown normally from the menu?
[05:29] <Jucato> ah nvm... not the issue I was thinking...
[05:29] <Jucato> of.
[05:29] <tarek> wanted to know how to add further screenresolutions to the xorg.conf file
[05:30] <Jucato> you can manually edit xorg.conf... or
[05:30] <Jucato> !xconfig
[05:30] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[05:30] <Jucato> menu driven ^^^
[05:33] <tarek> so if i want to add higher resolutions i type:sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[05:36] <apothus> hi everyone
[05:36] <nosrednaekim> hi apothus
[05:38] <german> any idea of testing my internet velocity?
[05:38] <apothus> i have a problem on a new ubuntu install, computer starts up fine with no beep codes, when i went to run ubuntu from the cd before installing i recived the error "kernel panic - not synching: IO-APIC + timer dosent work ...." reset the bios to standard and it installed, now im having the same issue again, any ideas?
[05:38] <german> i had a program but that was in windows
[05:38] <carwash^> german: download an iso from a ftp site near you
[05:39] <carwash^> apothus: try booting with the noapic boot paramter
[05:39] <contrast83> german: there are plenty of sites you can go to that test your internet speed. most broadband providers have something like that on their site as well.
[05:39] <apothus> ok, and how do i set that?
[05:39] <Jucato> german: try  speedtest.net
[05:39] <german> i live in sweden, and have internet via the university network
[05:40] <apothus> i hit safe mode start get to the prompt and type exit, that gets me into a normal session but i dont want to do that everytime
[05:40] <carwash^> apothus: at boot. press esc to get in to grub
[05:40] <carwash^> then select the normal line and press e
[05:40] <carwash^> to edit
[05:41] <apothus> ok, i'll give it a go, thx carwash
[05:42] <carwash^> if you can get it to boot
[05:42] <carwash^> type su gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:42] <Jucato> er...
[05:43] <Jucato> carwash^: kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:43] <carwash^> oh, forgot im in #kubuntu :P
[05:43] <Jucato> unless he's in Ubuntu or has Ubuntu installed along with Kubuntu
[05:43] <Jucato> carwash^: but also never use su/sudo with GUI apps
[05:43] <apothus> ok this falls into the wierd catagory, because i just restated it but i mised the 2 second window yet it booted fine, and after repeating booted fine the second time, is that error a serious one?
[05:43] <carwash^> http://pastebin.com/m5c05648a
[05:44] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[05:45] <eyalush> hey any 1 here watches korean soccer?
[05:46] <apothus> thanks for your help but i think im going to have to leave it for the night, eyes are bluring over :D
[05:47] <hydrogen> !ot | eyalush
[05:47] <ubotu> eyalush: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:49] <Vermux> how do I c chat history iin Konversation?
[05:49] <Jucato> Vermux: Window menu -> Open Log File for <current channel/tab> or press Ctrl+O
[05:50] <Jucato> logs are stored in plain text format in ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs/
[05:50] <german> subtitles in movies?
[05:50] <german> how do i get subtitles in a movie?
[05:53] <carwash^> how do i join multiple servers with konversation?
[05:54] <Jucato> File -> Server List or Quick Connect
[05:54] <Jucato> for Server List, add a new server. for Quick Connect, just specify the new server you want to join to
[05:56] <carwash^> thanks, i was afraid that would log me off this server
[05:57] <Yammeh> Guys, I've been playing TF2 through wine and it crashed, I killed the process but the item is still on my taskbar and the application is still there too, is there anyway to fix it apart from relogging?
[05:58] <Jucato> Yammeh: Ctrl+Esc and check if wine or wineserver is still running?
[05:59] <Yammeh> Fs, apparently hl2 was still running, despite me typing killall hl2.exe
[05:59] <Yammeh> Thanks for your help :)
[05:59] <Jucato> great
[06:01] <Vermux> how do I searach for a certain word in the log file in Konversation?
[06:01] <Yammeh> Do you know of a decent site for teaching me to write simple programs in the konsole?
[06:01] <Yammeh> Right click find text, Vermux
[06:01] <Vermux> thanks
[06:01] <Jucato> Vermux: press Ctrl+F
[06:02] <Jucato> Firefox-like search bar
[06:03] <MilhousePunkRock> Jucato: Why doesn't Konqueror have such a search bar?
[06:03] <Jucato> MilhousePunkRock: very simple answer actually
[06:04] <Jucato> MilhousePunkRock: basically no one to do it
[06:04] <Jucato> (and the fact that you can't introduce new big features into KDE 3.5.x anymore)
[06:05] <Jucato> MilhousePunkRock: but Konqueror does have something slightly similar
[06:05] <MilhousePunkRock> Jucato: Yeah, the / search, I recently found that out...
[06:05] <Jucato> :)
[06:05] <Jucato> useful little thing
[06:05] <LogicalDash> I'm running the 7.10 prerelease. SCIM is more-o-less consistently failing to start. The last message it gives me before failure is "Loading x11 FrontEnd module". Is this a known bug?
[06:06] <MilhousePunkRock> Jucato: Right? Though i had to press many keys to find out where it is on a non-US keyboard...
[06:06] <Jucato> heh :)
[06:06] <MilhousePunkRock> Jucato: So will your slim Kubuntu How-To apply to Gutsy as well? Or will you even update it matchingly?
[06:06] <majnoon> <<in kubuntu gutsy :P
[06:07] <Jucato> most probably it will still apply. package names have basically remained the same
[06:07] <poison--> Jucato, do you know how can i browse a newly added HD to kubuntu
[06:07] <poison--> its formated in ext3
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> poison-- mount it. :)
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> !mount
[06:08] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[06:08] <poison--> tried gparted, it doenst let me mount
[06:08] <Jucato> gparted doesn't mount :)
[06:09] <poison--> kk
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> i dident think it did. heh. :)
[06:09] <poison--> im too stupid with this thing
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. S
[06:09] <Jucato> hm. divorced S :)
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> i do it old-skool with the shell. :)
[06:09] <Yammeh> Can you guys tell me the syntax for a for loop on konsole?
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> !iso
[06:10] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[06:10] <poison--> k, got it
[06:10] <savetheWorld> for in in one to 3 ; do echo $f ; done
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>
[06:10] <savetheWorld> for in f one to 3 ; do echo $f ; done
[06:10] <poison--> <Dr_Willis, and what should be a working " mount point"
[06:11] <poison-->  is "/" good?
[06:11] <Yammeh> That didn't work, savetheWorld. bash: syntax error near unexpected token `f'
[06:11] <poison--> nevermind, just got it
[06:11] <poison--> :D
[06:11] <MilhousePunkRock> poison--: No! It will cover everything that is already there...
[06:11] <Dr_Willis>   /  is BAFD BAD BAD
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:11] <savetheWorld> Yammeh: try the second one. first had a typo
[06:11] <poison--> no i didnt
[06:11] <poison--> lolo
[06:11] <MilhousePunkRock> poison--: /mnt/foobar is a good mountpoint
[06:12] <Yammeh> gives the error I posted
[06:12] <poison--> i mounted in /media/
[06:12] <Dr_Willis>  and dont make your first user have the name of 'root' either. :)
[06:12] <poison--> didnt work tho
[06:12] <MilhousePunkRock> poison--: Of course you will have to create the folder first
[06:12] <savetheWorld> for f in one to 3 ; do echo $f ; done
[06:12] <poison--> lmao
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> poison-- MAKE a directory for it
[06:12] <savetheWorld> woops second one had a typo too! :-)
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> dont just put it anyplace.
[06:12] <poison--> ok, ok, you are all allowed to spank me
[06:12] <poison--> lmao
[06:12] <Dr_Willis>  /media/NEWSTUFF
[06:12] <Yammeh> ok, ta
[06:12] <Dr_Willis>  /media/MyPornStash  :)
[06:12] <savetheWorld> Yammeh: try that last one. sorry.
[06:12] <MilhousePunkRock> poison--: /media is for all the media, you don't want to hide your CD drive, for example
[06:13] <Vermux> what accessory is like notepad in windows?
[06:13] <poison--> KK
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> theres dozens of text editors you can use Vermux
[06:13] <Vermux> to write some stuff I want to remember
[06:14] <Jucato> Vermux: Kate is like super notepad
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> kate, kedit, fte, vi, nano, pico, + 100s
[06:14] <Vermux> which one is the best
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> Vermux NONE is best
[06:14] <Jucato> there's kwrite for a smaller version of kate, and knotes for sticky notes on your destkop
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> you Might want to check out the post-it-note type programs  for note taking
[06:14] <Jucato> desktop*
[06:14] <Vermux> what do u mena? it is a chaos
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> knotes thats it. :)
[06:14] <Jucato> there's also Basket for super dumping of ideas and things
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> Vermux whats best for notes is not best for writing a 1000000000 page book.
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> Your must have features - are my bloat. :)
[06:15] <savetheWorld> or even 12 lines of code.
[06:15] <MilhousePunkRock> Dr_Willis: Rumor has it KNotes can be used over the network, ever tried that?
[06:15] <Jucato> Vermux: to put it simply. "best" is what will work for you best
[06:15] <poison--> mkay, think it worked
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> never tried MilhousePunkRock
[06:15] <Vermux> Ic
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> I take my notes in vi :)
[06:15] <Jucato> MilhousePunkRock: that you can send knotes over network? yes heard of that feature
[06:15] <Vermux> thanks
[06:15] <MilhousePunkRock> Dr_Willis: I'd really like to have the same stickies on both my machines...
[06:15] <Jucato> you mean vim don't you? :)
[06:15] <Vermux> where can I find knotes?
[06:16] <Jucato> in Kontact
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> MilhousePunkRock  export your /home :)
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> !info knotes
[06:16] <ubotu> knotes: KDE sticky notes. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu6 (feisty), package size 248 kB, installed size 844 kB
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> Vermux install it.
[06:16] <Jucato> they're installed by default
[06:16] <MilhousePunkRock> Dr_Willis: Why not on the shell? echo "something you wrote down" >> ~/notepad
[06:16] <Jucato> it's part of Kontact, or iirc, In K Menu -> Utilities
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> MilhousePunkRock becase i alwas got vi open. :)
[06:17] <Jucato> Vermux: it's part of Kontact, or in K Menu -> Utilities
[06:17] <poison--> how do i delete a dir, i mean, whats the command
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> rmdir
[06:17] <poison--> ty
[06:17] <Jucato> must be empty though
[06:18] <poison--> damn i love mc
[06:18] <poison--> :D
[06:18] <poison--> almost as good as apt-get install -f
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> mc is handy :)
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> check out screen also
[06:20] <Vermux> what is kde walleeet?
[06:20] <MilhousePunkRock> mc? vi? I feel like #kubuntu turned into a time machine back to the 80's ;)
[06:20] <Yammeh> Is there a way to write a for loop so I can give it a number range rather than having to type 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 etc?
[06:20] <Jucato> MilhousePunkRock: careful now...
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> Yammeh Yes. :)
[06:20] <Vermux> !kde wallet
[06:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde wallet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> !info abs-guide
[06:21] <ubotu> abs-guide: The Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 4.1-1 (feisty), package size 1074 kB, installed size 4332 kB
[06:21] <MilhousePunkRock> Vermux: KWallet stores all your passwords and you access same with one master password...
[06:21] <Jucato> or ##bash (I think)
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> lots of example bash info in that guide.
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> a MUST read.
[06:21] <Yammeh> Oh sweet, thanks
[06:21] <MilhousePunkRock> !kwallet | Vermux
[06:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kwallet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:21] <MilhousePunkRock> !info kwallet | Vermux
[06:21] <ubotu> vermux: Package kwallet does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:21] <Vermux> MilhousePunkRock: what do u mean, master password?
[06:21] <Jucato> there's not info about that. the kwallet subsystem is part of kdebase
[06:22] <Jucato> Vermux: it basically stores and manages passwords that you use for different apps like web browsing, IM, mail, etc
[06:23] <MilhousePunkRock> Vermux: Well... Say you have your ebay password stored in Konqueror, and your KMail passwords saved, and your Kopete account passwords... You open that app, and KWallet will ask for the KWallet password, and pass the password you need to the app that uses it...
[06:23] <urli> alguien
[06:24] <urli> habla espaol
[06:24] <MilhousePunkRock> !es | urli
[06:24] <ubotu> urli: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:24] <Jucato> !es | urli
[06:24] <MilhousePunkRock> Beat you, Jucato
[06:24] <Jucato> maybe
[06:24] <urli> holaa todos
[06:24] <Vermux> MilhousePunkRock: but isnt it dangerous to have all passwords at the same application?
[06:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Vermux: You can only access them if you have the master password
[06:25] <Jucato> not really. there's a master password, and only you can access it
[06:25] <poison--> !es | urli
[06:25] <ubotu> urli: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Vermux: Which should be a strong password, like any password should be...
[06:25] <Jucato> unless you 1) give out that password and 2) let somebody else use your computer
[06:25] <urli> hola  hay alguna chica de argentina para charlar
[06:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Jucato: It's stored encrypted, is it?
[06:25] <urli> hola  hay alguna chica de argentina para charlar
[06:25] <urli> hola  hay alguna chica de argentina para charlar
[06:25] <urli> hola  hay alguna chica de argentina para charlar
[06:26] <MilhousePunkRock> !ops
[06:26] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[06:26] <Vermux> MilhousePunkRock: yes, but if someone get the password for that they get all passwords!!
[06:26] <jpatrick> Jucato: ohh, beat me to it..
[06:26] <Jucato> :P
[06:26] <MilhousePunkRock> Vermux: How should someone get it?
[06:26] <Daviey> wow. Mez uses his ops!
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> thats why i alwyas use the password 'dorwssap'
[06:26] <Mez> Jucat=o banned though, not muted
[06:26] <Vermux> MilhousePunkRock: hack
[06:26] <Jucato> Vermux: it can't be accessed from the outside
[06:26] <MilhousePunkRock> Vermux: If that is your concern, don't store passwords at all...
[06:27] <Mez> !es | urli
[06:27] <ubotu> urli: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:27] <Jucato> Vermux: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdeutils/kwallet/
[06:27] <Vermux> MilhousePunkRockyes
[06:27] <MilhousePunkRock> Vermux: In that case, KWallet is not for you...
[06:27] <majnoon> ok i upgraded to gutsyTRYING to get kde4 to run it gives me some kind of gtk setuid error
[06:28] <MilhousePunkRock> It seems reasonably safe though, I can't remember it ever asked wether to save my sudo password, for example...
[06:28] <Vermux> MilhousePunkRock: ok
[06:28] <MilhousePunkRock> majnoon: Gutsy is in #ubuntu+1
[06:28] <Vermux> MilhousePunkRock: isnt is encrypted?
[06:28] <Jucato> Vermux: it only saves your passwords for certain services. it doesn't save your password for your user/sudo
[06:28] <majnoon> this a kde question me think
[06:28] <MilhousePunkRock> Vermux: I am pretty sure it is encrypted... This is Linux after all...
[06:28] <Jucato> basically only for web services. you trust Google/Yahoo/MSN more than your own computer?
[06:29] <majnoon> +gtk
[06:29] <majnoon> plus i asked in there too (waiting for answer)
[06:29] <Vermux> MilhousePunkRock: are u implying that linx is more safe than win
[06:29] <Vermux> ?
[06:29] <Jucato> (duh!)
[06:29] <majnoon> MilhousePunkRock, plus i asked in there too (waiting for answer)
[06:30] <MilhousePunkRock> Vermux: To start with the fact that you do not have admin rights in your everyday work, yes...
[06:30] <feierfox> hi
[06:30] <majnoon> better to ask in ALL possible help channels
[06:30] <feierfox> will there KDE 3.5.8 be in Kubuntu 7.10?
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> I would have to say that Linux is 'safer' then windows. :)
[06:30] <majnoon> it is feierfox
[06:30] <feierfox> :O
[06:30] <MilhousePunkRock> feierfox: No such thing as 3.5.8 IIRC
[06:30] <Vermux> MilhousePunkRock: also in win u can be regular user
[06:30] <Jucato> MilhousePunkRock: there is
[06:30] <feierfox> so what?!
[06:31] <feierfox> 3.5.8 IS in the RC?!
[06:31] <Jucato> feierfox: no
[06:31] <MilhousePunkRock> Vermux: But not by default...
[06:31] <MilhousePunkRock> Vermux: Referring to XP here, the last Win I used...
[06:31] <Vermux> MilhousePunkRock: ok, so in 2 clicks the defuault can be changed
[06:31] <Jucato> Vermux: Linux also has more a stringent file permission/access system
[06:31] <Broc93> !lol
[06:31] <ubotu> Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[06:31] <MilhousePunkRock> Vermux: But noone tells Joe User to do so...
[06:31] <Jucato> anyway, Vermux, MilhousePunkRock: please take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:32] <Broc93> |hello
[06:32] <Broc93> !hello
[06:32] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[06:32] <Jucato> it has grown beyond the confines of this channel
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> OMG I cant use LOL?
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:32] <MilhousePunkRock> Jucato: I'll just stop it here, no need to defend Linux anyway...
[06:33] <MilhousePunkRock> Vermux: As a final sentence, Jucato made a good point about the file permissions...
[06:34] <poison--> LOL
[06:34] <Vermux> MilhousePunkRock: do what the boss says, cannot talk freely here
[06:34] <Jucato> MilhousePunkRock:  btw, "KWallet saves this sensitive data for you in a strongly encrypted file, accessible by all applications, and protected with a master password that you define."
[06:34] <Jucato> Vermux: that's for you too ^^^
[06:34] <Jucato> (if you even read the link I gave earlier)
[06:34] <MilhousePunkRock> Jucato: Any details on the encryption?
[06:35] <Jucato> not in the user manual I think
[06:35] <Jucato> also let me re-emphasize that kwallet does *not* store your user's password (the one you use to login to your computer)
[06:36] <Vermux> Jucato: thanks, Im sure I will read it in the future. I have to much information to handle at the moment, try to understand programs, kubuntu and general concepts
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> learn the fundamentals :) and you cant go wrong
[06:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Jucato: Ever noticed that the recovery mode is a huge security hole? Since you can (or could before, maybe that is changed now) empty the file that stores the user passwords...
[06:37] <Vermux> Dr_Willis: too many programs. how do I learn the fundamentals?
[06:37] <Jucato> one by one, one step at a time
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> phycial access to the machine is a security hole. :)
[06:37] <Jucato> you don't have to learn them all anyway
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> Vermux start with the shell work your way up. :)
[06:37] <Jucato> MilhousePunkRock: same answer as Dr_Willis
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> learning kde/gnome - is the trivial part.
[06:38] <Jucato> you can either 1) remove the GRUB entry for recovery mode or 2) require a password for recovery mode (don't know how to do this one)
[06:38] <Vermux> Dr_Willis: I didnt find extensive tuturial for the shell
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> 'linux is all about Legos and layers' - Software parts (legos) forming Layers of Software. that then has more software on top of it.
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> Vermux you dident look very good then. theres 1000's of shell tutorials out
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> !info abs-guide
[06:38] <ubotu> abs-guide: The Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 4.1-1 (feisty), package size 1074 kB, installed size 4332 kB
[06:39] <Jucato> er.. I doubt he meant "programming
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> google for bash tutorial, check out tldp.org  also
[06:39] <Jucato> !cli
[06:39] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> Thers a learningbash.org site? or somthing i recall also
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> had lots of pictures
[06:40] <Vermux> didnt mean programming at this point
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> http://www.linuxcommand.org/learning_the_shell.php
[06:40] <MilhousePunkRock> Jucato / Dr_Willis: Good point... I was always thinking about having a USB key as a real key to the computer. Never had the time to even plan it though...
[06:41] <Vermux> but it is for ubuntu
[06:41] <Jucato> Vermux: a shell is a shell, in any distribution
[06:41] <Jucato> the commands are the same
[06:41] <MilhousePunkRock> Vermux: "Under the hood" (as in Desktop Enviroment) all *buntus are alike
[06:42] <ksivaji> !bluetooth
[06:42] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[06:42] <Jucato> one of the things that make all distros alike is the shell
[06:42] <MilhousePunkRock> Jucato: There are different shells though, right? I remember Gentoo even gave me the choice which shell to use
[06:42] <Jucato> yep. but the commands are basically the same
[06:42] <Jucato> some shells just add different features
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> or different default settings
[06:43] <Jucato> but ls, rm, mkdir, etc. ..they're all common
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> Fancy Prompts. :)
[06:43] <Jucato> but even similar shells can have different prompts :P
[06:43] <Vermux> Ic
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> !info fish
[06:43] <ubotu> fish: a friendly interactive shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.22.1-2 (feisty), package size 680 kB, installed size 2760 kB
[06:44] <Jucato> Vermux: don't try to take everything in one sitting. learn about things one at a time...
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> fish is neat in ways.. annoying in others. :)
[06:44] <Vermux> waht do u think abour Konsole?
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> Gather up linux books from the bargin bin tables also at the bookstores.
[06:44] <silkcom> I'm trying to figure out how to autostart synergy before login but after X anyone know how?
[06:44] <Jucato> I have to experience the world outside of BASH.. even if I haven't even explored BASH :)
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> the console is not a 'shell' its a terminal that givesyou a shell. :)
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> err the Konsole :)
[06:45] <Jucato> Vermux: Konsole is a KDE terminal emulator. it's an app that gives you a shell
[06:45] <Jucato> bah
[06:45] <Jucato> :P
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> Konsole can have several tabs each with its own shell in it.
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> !shell
[06:45] <Vermux> so what is the difference between the emulator and a real shell?
[06:45] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> there is no 'real shell'
[06:45] <tmske__> Hi, I have a tablet: graphire 2 i guess, but I don't have pressure difference in gimp, and if I in the half of the tablet with my pen I'm allready at the end of the desktop, so it doesn't use the full size
[06:46] <Jucato> Vermux: technically, a shell is a program. it's a program that interprets commands that you enter
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> years ago there were 'printing terminals' that printed out put to paper. :)  the Terminal programs 'emulate' that sort of device.
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> i rember IRCing on a greenbar printing terminal :)
[06:47] <poison--> !rdp
[06:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rdp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:47] <Vermux> Jucato:  so what program equivalent to Konsole it's just a shell?
[06:47] <poison--> !remote
[06:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about remote - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:47] <poison--> haaarrr
[06:47] <hydrogen> Vermux: xterm
[06:47] <poison--> u guys know any rdp program instead of rdesktop or krdc?
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> Konsole, xterm , rxvt, gnome-terminal, xfce-terminal,
[06:48] <Jucato> anyway, off for the night
[06:48] <poison--> l8r Jucato
[06:53] <ksivaji> !gusty
[06:53] <ubotu> It is spelt !guTSy :)
[06:53] <ksivaji> !guTSy
[06:53] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[06:56] <MilhousePunkRock> !fiesty
[06:56] <ubotu> It is spelt "FEIsty" :)
[06:56] <MilhousePunkRock> Hehe...
[07:01] <thomas_> is it safe to update to gutsy just by setting other sources.list?
[07:02] <thomas_> anyone?
[07:03] <MilhousePunkRock> thomas_: 1. Gutsy is in #ubuntu+1 2. There is a manual on kubuntu.org in the Beta announcement
[07:03] <thomax`> okay thanx
[07:06] <xst> Shouldn't the release-candidate of gutsy be released today?
[07:06] <milos83> i think it should
[07:08] <MilhousePunkRock> !rc
[07:08] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[07:11] <Vermux> when installing a package from the command line, is it being downloaded from the Internet?
[07:11] <Carnage\> Depends
[07:11] <Vermux> for example: sudo alien package_file.rpm
[07:11] <Vermux> ?
[07:11] <MilhousePunkRock> Vermux: If you installed it before, no, if not, yes...
[07:11] <Carnage\> On the one hand on your sources-configuration and on the other hand on your cache
[07:11] <MilhousePunkRock> !alien | Vermux
[07:11] <ubotu> Vermux: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[07:12] <Carnage\> Vermux: That's not installing...
[07:12] <Carnage\> And to use alien, you first have to download the rpm-file manually
[07:13] <MilhousePunkRock> Vermux: You should not use alien if you don't have to
[07:14] <Vermux> I meant: sudo apt-get install packagename
[07:14] <Carnage\> Vermux: Then, my explanation from above applies
[07:14] <Vermux> will it install it from the Internet or there is zipped like file already with Kubuntu?
[07:14] <Carnage\> Nope, there isn't
[07:15] <Carnage\> On your Ubuntu cd, some widespread packages are included
[07:15] <Carnage\> So you can install them from the cd
[07:15] <Carnage\> But if they aren't available there, you have to download them
[07:15] <Carnage\> But if you have installed them already once, they may reside in your apt cache
[07:16] <Vermux> so this command:sudo apt-get install packagename-  is actually doing 2 things: downloading from the Internet and installing the program?
[07:16] <Carnage\> Exactly
[07:16] <Carnage\> If you solely want to install a debian package, you use dpkg
[07:16] <Carnage\> apt-get serves to "intelligently" acquire the deb package and feed dpkg with it
[07:16] <USMarine> anyone uses Keep ?
[07:16] <stdin> Vermux: apt is a frontend to dpkg, apt downloads the package and resolves dependencies then hands over to dpkg to actually install them
[07:17] <Carnage\> Yep, that sums up my statements :)
[07:17] <Vermux> why would I want to install a Debian package?
[07:17] <Carnage\> I said _deb_ package
[07:18] <Carnage\> That's the extension of those packages
[07:18] <Carnage\> Since apt originates from debian, it uses these extensions
[07:18] <Vermux> explain "resolve dependencies"?
[07:19] <Carnage\> Most packages require other packages, for example libraries
[07:19] <Carnage\> Apt tries to ensure that all prerequisites for a package to be installed are established beforehand
[07:19] <stdin> Vermux: it checks what the package you want to install need to work, then downloads those packages too and installs them with the package
[07:20] <Vermux> Ic
[07:20] <Vermux> and dphg is the installer
[07:20] <Vermux> dpkg
[07:20] <stdin> yeah
[07:21] <stdin> dpkg does all the dirty work :)
[07:21] <bazhang> :] 
[07:22] <Vermux> sp APT initiates dpkg after the download?
[07:22] <USMarine> dpkg doesn't care about dependencies
[07:23] <stdin> well, dpkg does care, it just won't resolve them for you
[07:23] <Vermux> stdin: does apt initiates dpkg automatcally?
[07:23] <stdin> yeah
[07:23] <Vermux> ok
[07:25] <Vermux> can one work only with Kubuntu doing all usuall work without the need for Win?
[07:25] <stdin> well, I do
[07:26] <stdin> I haven't used windows for years (except for fixing it for others)
[07:26] <USMarine> if you like gaming, you'll need windows
[07:26] <MilhousePunkRock> Vermux: Unless you have very exotic needs, everything's there...
[07:26] <MilhousePunkRock> USMarine: That depends...
[07:26] <dirk_> it depends on the games :)
[07:27] <dirk_> some games are working very well with kubuntu
[07:27] <USMarine> wasn't talking about solitaire -.-
[07:27] <Vermux> what about flash? is there any problem with it?
[07:27] <dirk_> I play heroes of might and magic 5
[07:27] <dirk_> for example
[07:27] <USMarine> flash works fine
[07:27] <USMarine> but not shockwave
[07:27] <dirk_> also I play halflife 2 and cs source
[07:27] <stdin> but that's adobe's fault
[07:28] <Vermux> because now Im trying to play a video in flash player and it is very slow
[07:28] <asfak> i do, almost everything, exception are very few. What u wanna do ?
[07:28] <MilhousePunkRock> asfak: Genomic Sequence Analysis? ;)
[07:28] <Vermux> nothing special at the moment- wwanted to get the concept
[07:29] <Vermux> so shockwave doesnt work?
[07:29] <USMarine> if you want virus, you'll need windows as well
[07:29] <dirk_> if you need some windows apps look on www.winehq.com ... there is a database with working apps
[07:29] <MilhousePunkRock> asfak: Or even manage all publications I have to cite in a bibliographic software... And I am not learning tex as of yet
[07:29] <dirk_> if you need an easy installation tool look for wine-doors it's great
[07:31] <Vermux> USMarine: but a lot of movies are made with shockwave, no?
[07:31] <USMarine> not many, but if you usually go to miniclip you'll find a few
[07:31] <Vermux> ok
[07:32] <USMarine> Vermux: i migrated to linux because my laptop producer didn't release 64bit drivers
[07:32] <stdin> shockwave is becoming rare, flash can do most things shockwave can do now
[07:32] <asfak> MilhousePunkRock, luckily i don't use both this. http://bioinformatics.org/software/ is application for genomic analysis in linux
[07:33] <MilhousePunkRock> asfak: I know that site already, thanks anyway...
[07:33] <Vermux> USMarine: and linux has those drivers?
[07:34] <silkcom> I'm interested in running a script after X starts but before login, anyone have any experience or knowhow?
[07:34] <asfak> i too am interested on this as being medical person and my studies are more genetic concerned
[07:34] <USMarine> sure, everything works out of the box, however in xp i can't go to the internet to get the drivers because the lan/wireless card ain't detected either
[07:35] <Vermux> got to go
[07:35] <stdin> silkcom: X will source all the files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ when it starts, that's the place to put it
[07:35] <asfak> the only problem today is, i couldn't play quicktime gsm files embedded on page in any browser, firefox or konq
[07:36] <silkcom> stdin , thanks, do I just put an script in the folder?
[07:36] <USMarine> Vermux: have you tried CompizFusion?
[07:37] <stdin> silkcom: yeah, it works in a similar way that bash sources ~/.bashrc when it starts
[07:38] <silkcom> gotcha, excellent thanks, ill see how it works
[07:41] <rasmus> Sorry for stupid question, but is this the right place to ask questions for support?
[07:42] <stdin> that's what the topic says
[07:43] <rasmus> Great! I managed to delete my system tray from my taskbar, how can i get it back?
[07:44] <stdin> rasmus: right click the panel, Add
[07:44] <stdin> opps
[07:44] <stdin> rasmus: right click the panel, Add Applet to panel > system tray
[07:44] <silkcom> stdin: it didn't work, maybe i'll explain what I'm doing.  I'm trying to setup synergy before login (so I never have to touch the other computer), I think it requires X, but I could be mistaken
[07:45] <rasmus> thanx!
[07:45] <rasmus> a bit embarassing i didn't see it before ;-)
[07:46] <stdin> silkcom: does that need to be ran as a user or root?
[07:46] <rasmus> Another thing: i added a second panel at the top of the window. I want to make in thinner but i can't change any properties for it. Everythin i do is applied to the ordinary taskbar at the bottom
[07:46] <silkcom> stdin as the user is fine
[07:47] <stdin> silkcom: I'm not too sure if it would work without someone logging in then
[07:47] <rasmus> correction: window  desktop
[07:48] <silkcom> stdin i can have it run as whoever, it shouldn't make any difference (i don't think)
[07:48] <stdin> rasmus: there's a drop down list on the top of the config window
[07:49] <rasmus> okay, is saw something about it in the help menu but i can't seem to find it. I've been trying hard!
[07:49] <stdin> silkcom: I've never used it, so I'm not sure about it. maybe look at "man Xsession" to see if there anything special you need to do to get an X app to work
[07:50] <rasmus> I can't find it, sorry. Is there any way to get a screendump showing it?
[07:50] <stdin> silkcom: I've only ever needed to run services when X starts
[07:50] <silkcom> stdin, thanks for the help, i'll keep playin with it.  If nothing else I'll just have the default user autologin
[07:52] <rasmus> strange enough, everything _not_ concerning the size of the panel affects the panel i want to modify
[07:52] <stdin> rasmus: like this http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4870/cap1qj3.png
[07:53] <Broc93> Vado...
[07:54] <rasmus> honestly i don't have it! Maybe i didn't create it right in the first place?
[07:54] <rasmus> The panel i mean
[07:55] <stdin> if you added another panel and not an external taskbar I think there may be a bug that doesn't let you select it to configure it
[07:56] <pag> rasmus, alt+f2 -> " dcop kicker default restart "  and then try configuring the panel again - iirc that might help
[07:57] <rasmus> Horray! Thanx a lot! You made my day! Just found some information about the bug at this place https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdebase/+bug/68926
[08:00] <xenol> hello is there any icq client for terminal?
[08:00] <pag> !info centericq | xenol
[08:00] <ubotu> xenol: centericq: A text-mode multi-protocol instant messenger client. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.21.0-18 (feisty), package size 1258 kB, installed size 3064 kB
[08:01] <xenol> pag: ty vm dude
[08:01] <stdin> xenol: and irssi
[08:01] <xenol> stdin: i have  irssi but its irc and icq is plugin afaik
[08:12] <hero> what is the kde equivalent for revelation password manager?
[08:13] <poison--> !backup
[08:13] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[08:15] <hero> !password
[08:15] <ubotu> Forgot your password? Boot into recovery mode. What's the root password? See !sudo. Don't see *** in password prompts? That's normal. Sudo doesn't ask for your password? It remembers you for several minutes. Please use strong passwords, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/StrongPasswords
[08:18] <hero> n/m, got it.
[08:20] <wathek_> hello all
[08:20] <Brocaway> Sono tornato...
[08:20] <wathek_> how could I read the ram or rm files of some radio straming ?
[08:25] <Aranel> how can I listen shoutcast radios ?
[08:26] <hitmanWilly> Aranel: amarok can do shoutcast
[08:27] <hitmanWilly> Aranel: look under playlists -> radio streams
[08:28] <Aranel> hitmanWilly: ok i trying it, thanks :)
[08:28] <hitmanWilly> np
[08:40] <paule118> 127.0.0.1
[08:41] <HanzZ> paule118: hey :) it's my IP :)
[08:42] <paule118> hi wo isn hier ??
[08:43] <paule118> ah
[08:46] <christian_> hiho
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[08:47] <german> how do i install java runtim enviroment?
[08:47] <stdin> !java
[08:47] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[08:49] <melomane> hi, can someone help me with super grub?
[08:49] <Q-collective> supergrub?
[08:49] <melomane> yes
[08:50] <Q-collective> what's that?
[08:50] <Q-collective> the bootloader that saves your day?
[08:50] <melomane> http://supergrub.forjamari.linex.org/?section=download#floppy
[08:51] <melomane> http://supergrub.forjamari.linex.org/?section=home
[08:54] <Q-collective> oh btw, how can I get a more recent version of scribus? 1.2.5 is a tad old
[08:54] <ardchoille> !info scribus
[08:54] <ubotu> scribus: Open Source Desktop Publishing. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.5.dfsg-5ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 5365 kB, installed size 16000 kB
[08:54] <ardchoille> Q-collective: Compile it yourself?
[08:54] <Q-collective> I was afraid you were gonna say that
[08:55] <ardchoille> Q-collective: Well, I'm strict with software; if it isn't in the repos, I compile. If I can't compile, I don't use it.
[08:58] <Q-collective> ardchoille: ok, do you by chance know any other pagemakup software? :)
[08:59] <ardchoille> Q-collective: I've never done anything like that. I heard scribus is the best, so I would try to compile it if I wanted it. There's probably other items out there for that purpose. Have you tried searching in adept?
[09:00] <Q-collective> not yet
[09:02] <ardchoille> Q-collective: Not sure if it will suffice, but have you tried openoffice writer?
[09:06] <german> i can't install java runtime enviroment!!!
[09:06] <german> i i do anything that the guide said and still nothing
[09:06] <german> i do what sunjavas page says and nothing
[09:06] <ardchoille> Q-collective: It looks like scribus 1.3.3.9 is in Feisty backports
[09:06] <german> when i try to verify if i got java, i dont
[09:08] <german> !java
[09:08] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[09:10] <gerard> Good evening :)
[09:10] <jpatrick> evening
[09:20] <prodigo> why when I boot the screen is black?
[09:30] <fay_elf> I would like to know that do firestarter and avclam run well in kubuntu with depencies, even that they are gtk+ apps?
[09:31] <emilsedgh> fay_elf: all gtk+ applications run in KDE/Kubuntu
[09:31] <emilsedgh> fay_elf: also you have klamav and kmyfirewall
[09:31] <fay_elf> Kde eq's?
[09:32] <stdin> and guarddog, another kde firewall frontend
[09:33] <fay_elf> Thx a lot
[09:34] <prodigo> ok anyone here?
[09:34] <jussi01> im here
[09:35] <jussi01> !ask | prodigo
[09:35] <ubotu> prodigo: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:35] <Mr_Sonoma> !software
[09:35] <ubotu> A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[09:35] <prodigo> in login what's the difference beteen DFAULT and KDE ??
[09:35] <prodigo> I don't get it
[09:35] <prodigo> which one should I use
[09:35] <prodigo> which one is better?
[09:35] <jussi01> prodigo: no difference if kde is yur default
[09:35] <prodigo> jussi01: do you know about it?
[09:35] <jussi01> default is just a shorcut to whicheer you selected as default
[09:36] <jussi01> s/whicheer/which ever
[09:37] <prodigo> thanks
[09:38] <prodigo> by the way I aks the way I wanna aks
[09:38] <jussi01> ??
[09:39] <prodigo> I hate this --->> < ubotu> prodigo: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:39] <jussi01> !attitude | prodigo
[09:39] <ubotu> prodigo: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[09:39] <jussi01> prodigo: its intended to be helpful and speed things up
[09:40] <prodigo> are you provoquing me?
[09:40] <stdin> O_o
[09:40] <prodigo> jussi01: I know how irc works
[09:40] <jussi01> prodigo: not at all. Im trying to explain that I was trying to be helpful
[09:40] <prodigo> nobody is gonna change my behavior
[09:40] <stdin> that's nice, but argue else were
[09:40] <prodigo> we don't have to have this conversatino in the first place
[09:40] <ardchoille> Looks like a contender for my ignore list
[09:41] <prodigo> I wasn't born yesterday
[09:41] <stdin> please stay on topic
[09:41] <prodigo> jussi01: and I appreciate it
[09:41] <prodigo> the other stuff is unnecessary
[09:43] <Broc93> godnight all!
[09:43] <jussi01> goodnight Broc93
[09:48] <X314Z159> well. goodnight people, this is officially the worst birthday ever.
[09:49] <jpatrick> !ot | X314Z159
[09:49] <ubotu> X314Z159: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:49] <jpatrick> X314Z159: but, you poor thing :(
[09:49] <X314Z159> doh >< jpatrick i got confused, I'm used to having the channels the other way around.. ><
[09:50] <nosrednaekim> that must mean he is  PClinuxOS guy.
[09:54] <ScorpKing> when i log in on tty* it sais "You have mail". how can i read that mail?
[09:55] <Neiuke> hello here
[09:55] <stdin> ScorpKing: try typing "mail"
[09:55] <ardchoille> ScorpKing: Type "mail" ?
[09:56] <ScorpKing> hehe. i see. ty :D
[09:56] <ardchoille> he must have installed mailx or mailutils
[09:56] <stdin> you can use TBird to read it too iirc
[09:56] <ardchoille> stdin: Really? Didn't know that
[09:57] <stdin> ardchoille: yeah, it calls it "Unix Movemail" or something
[09:58] <ardchoille> Ah
[09:58] <ardchoille> That's just inter-system mail, right?
[09:58] <ardchoille> Not a full MUA/MTA?
[09:59] <trevor> acer aspire laptop can't enable wifi card.  Anyone can help?
[10:00] <Minataku> I gotta merge them into one, but three haven't completed testing, so I can't :\
[10:00] <stdin> ardchoille: think so, I use it for mail from cron and the like
[10:00] <nosrednaekim> trevor: yo! my dear 5050 user!
[10:00] <Minataku> And I'd rather do it all at once, otherwise I have a LOT of moving to do
[10:00] <Minataku> lol
[10:00] <trevor> nosrednaekim: !
[10:01] <trevor> nosrednaekim: I had to format!
[10:01] <nosrednaekim> trevor: what happened?
[10:01] <trevor> nosrednaekim: I can't remember how we did it!
[10:01] <trevor> nosrednaekim: I decided to try writing to a configuration to fix the sound, when the answer was staring me in the face...
[10:01] <trevor> nosrednaekim: linux wouldn't start, so I had to reinstall...
[10:01] <trevor> nosrednaekim: I put grub on my windows...
[10:02] <trevor> nosrednaekim: corrupted the harddrive...
[10:02] <nosrednaekim> trevor: 0.o
[10:02] <trevor> nosrednaekim: yeah...
[10:02] <trevor> nosrednaekim: So, how did we do this?
[10:02] <nosrednaekim> trevor: did you get windows back?
[10:02] <trevor> nosrednaekim: Downgraded to XP cause vista was being a bitch about my hard disk...
[10:03] <nosrednaekim> trevor: in other words... you upgraded ;)
[10:03] <trevor> nosrednaekim: but, Acer doesn't support XP anymore, cause they're too good for it...
[10:03] <trevor> nosrednaekim: yeah...
[10:03] <nosrednaekim> oh really? thats interesting.
[10:03] <nosrednaekim> trevor: anyway... you have an atheros card right?
[10:03] <trevor> nosrednaekim: yep...  Driver don't work for crap...
[10:03] <trevor> Yeppers...
[10:04] <nosrednaekim> trevor: ok, install ndiswrapper.
[10:04] <trevor> I think I have Acer_acpi set up, but I'm having real problems with ndiswrapper...
[10:04] <trevor> ndiswrapper acts funny with the driver...
[10:05] <trevor> Here...
[10:05] <nosrednaekim> trevor: here what?
[10:06] <trevor> nosrednaekim: I'm going to try to show you the screen...
[10:06] <nosrednaekim> ok
[10:10] <trevor> nosrednaekim:
[10:10] <trevor> root@miles:~# ndiswrapper -i /home/trevor/Drivers/Atheros/net5211.inf
[10:10] <trevor> installing net5211 ...
[10:10] <trevor> forcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 64
[10:10] <trevor> forcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 64
[10:10] <stdin> !paste | trevor
[10:10] <ubotu> trevor: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:10] <trevor> forcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 64
[10:10] <trevor> forcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 64
[10:10] <trevor> forcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 64
[10:10] <trevor> forcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 64
[10:10] <trevor> forcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 64
[10:10] <trevor> And, it just keeps going for a while, then stops...
[10:10] <stdin> please don't do that
[10:11] <trevor> ?
[10:11] <stdin> don't paste large post in the channel
[10:12] <trevor> stdin: Do you know what it means, or how to fix it?
[10:13] <heinkel_111> hello...how do I find out if I am running 32 bit or 64 bit version ?
[10:13] <heinkel_111> of kubuntu 7.04
[10:13] <trevor> heinkel_111: which did you download?
[10:13] <heinkel_111> hehe
[10:14] <heinkel_111> i am a bit rusty, but i have both installed
[10:14] <stdin> trevor: I don't use ndiswrapper
[10:14] <heinkel_111> trevor: i am not sure which grub entry is for 64 and which is for 32 bit, see my problem?
[10:15] <trevor> nosrednaekim: You there?
[10:15] <trevor> heinkel_111: Yeah...  I'm not sure...
[10:15] <nosrednaekim> trevor: uhhh yeah.. osrry
[10:15] <andersin> heinkel_111: so you have both installed on your computer?
[10:15] <nosrednaekim> trevor: thats fine.....
[10:15] <heinkel_111> andersin
[10:15] <heinkel_111> yeas
[10:15] <nosrednaekim> heinkel_111: run "unmae -a"
[10:15] <nosrednaekim> *uname -a
[10:16] <nosrednaekim> trevor: those errors are normal and OK
[10:16] <trevor> nosrednaekim: Okay, so what do I do next?
[10:16] <nosrednaekim> trevor: do an "lsmod | grep ath"
[10:16] <nosrednaekim> if it returns anything. tell me.
[10:16] <corgylegs> hello?
[10:17] <ScorpKing> hi
[10:17] <trevor> nosrednaekim: no..
[10:17] <nosrednaekim> trevor: ok, do a "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper"
[10:17] <trevor> nosrednaekim: done.
[10:17] <heinkel_111> nosrednaekim: "Linux 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP Sun Apr 15 06:17:24 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
[10:17] <nosrednaekim> trevor: try an "iwconfig"
[10:18] <nosrednaekim> heinkel_111: 64 bit
[10:18] <andersin> heinkel_111: that means you run the 64bit kernel
[10:18] <ardchoille> heinkel_111: See the "64" in there?
[10:18] <trevor> nosrednaekim: it's only listing lo and eth0...  no wlan0...
[10:18] <heinkel_111> what if it says "Linux 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP Sun Apr 15 06:17:24 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux"
[10:18] <nosrednaekim> trevor: ummm do a "ndiswrapper -l"
[10:18] <nosrednaekim> heinkel_111: 32 but
[10:18] <ardchoille> heinkel_111: That's the 32 bit kernel
[10:18] <trevor> heinkel_111: I've noticed that things replace i386, and i686 freely...
[10:19] <ardchoille> heinkel_111: Are you on Feisty?
[10:19] <heinkel_111> i686 = 32 bit and x86_64 = 64 bit
[10:19] <heinkel_111> right?
[10:19] <heinkel_111> yes this should be feisty
[10:19] <trevor> net5211 : driver installed
[10:19] <trevor>         device (168C:001C) present (alternate driver: ath_pci)
[10:19] <ardchoille> heinkel_111: Then you need to update your 32bit kernel.
[10:19] <ScorpKing> internet in konq is working again today. i added static dns servers in resolve.conf. if i let the dailup connection get dns it sais the dns might be invallid but that's the only time internet works in konq. if i give the dailup static dns konq don't have internet. i run the dailup as non root. wtf?
[10:19] <WaltzingAlong> heinkel_111: yes. uname reports what has been installed, not necessarily only what your cpu can do
[10:20] <trevor> nosrednaekim: There...
[10:20] <heinkel_111> ardchoille why do I need to update?
[10:20] <nosrednaekim> trevor: ok, do a "lsmod | grep ndis"
[10:21] <ardchoille> heinkel_111: Because I'm on Feisty and I have:   Linux localhost 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP
[10:21] <heinkel_111> ah ok
[10:21] <trevor> ndiswrapper and usbcore...
[10:21] <heinkel_111> that is not a big deal, this machine has been down for 4 months and only missed one point release of the kerenel.... :)
[10:22] <ardchoille> ok
[10:22] <heinkel_111> thanks everyone
[10:22] <andersin> heinkel_111: by the way, you can test individual libraries with file
[10:22] <trevor> !paste
[10:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:23] <WaltzingAlong> !teethpaste
[10:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about teethpaste - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:23] <andersin> heinkel_111: which results in something like  /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4.2.0: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object
[10:23] <trevor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40302/
[10:24] <trevor> nosrednaekim: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40302/
[10:24] <nosrednaekim> trevor: huh... thats odd... no ath0?
[10:24] <trevor> nosrednaekim: nope...
[10:25] <trevor> nosrednaekim: why I tried to alias...
[10:25] <Minataku> Actually, I believe the kernel is well into 2.6.23
[10:26] <andersin> 2.6.23 has just been released 2 days ago
[10:26] <nosrednaekim> trevor: there was no need to alias that....
[10:26] <Minataku> My bad
[10:26] <heinkel_111> andersin: nice one
[10:26] <Minataku> I was close, though
[10:26] <Minataku> lol
[10:26] <nosrednaekim> trevor: interesting. though
[10:26] <trevor> nosrednaekim: whoops...
[10:26] <trevor> nosrednaekim: So, now what?
[10:26] <nosrednaekim> trevor: I don't think you messed anything up.
[10:27] <nosrednaekim> is the little light on in the front of your computer>
[10:27] <nosrednaekim> for the wireless?
[10:27] <trevor> nosrednaekim: no...
[10:27] <heinkel_111> I liked this: file /bin/gunzip -->/bin/gunzip: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[10:27] <nosrednaekim> trevor: flick the switch
[10:27] <trevor> nosrednaekim: nothin'...
[10:28] <nosrednaekim> trevor: hmm ok, now what you need to do is turn off your computer, and pull out the battery  and AC for about 1 minute. th
[10:28] <heinkel_111> by the way, what is the name for the nvidia control panel again?
[10:28] <heinkel_111> nvidia-tools?
[10:28] <andersin> nvidia-settings
[10:28] <trevor> nosrednaekim: then ewhat?
[10:29] <heinkel_111> thank you andersin :)
[10:29] <nosrednaekim> trevthen plug everything back in and reboot
[10:29] <nosrednaekim> trevor: thats to reset your wifi power.
[10:30] <trevor> nosrednaekim: okay...  You gonna be here when i get back? ^.^
[10:30] <waylandbill> is there something I can put in cron table to log current x session user off at a certain time? put /etc/init.d/kdm restart in there, but it locks the computer up. :-O
[10:30] <nosrednaekim> trevor: i'll try
[10:30] <trevor> nosrednaekim: Okay.. ^.^
[10:30] <andersin> does anybody here have a dual-head setup?
[10:30] <trevor> BRB
[10:31] <vbgunz> anyone know if it is possible to use the gecko engine in konqueror?
[10:31] <nosrednaekim> vbgunz: you can
[10:31] <nosrednaekim> 't
[10:32] <andersin> now that is just mean, nosrednaekim
[10:32] <vbgunz> is it possible?
[10:33] <xevious> nope
[10:33] <andersin> it is filed as http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48311
[10:33] <xevious> i believe konqueror renders pages more accurately, anyway
[10:34] <andersin> so why do you want gecko?
[10:34] <vbgunz> I don't use the gmail interface but one day I needed to log in and it just didn't work in konqueror
[10:35] <vbgunz> also googles reader didn't work, but it works in firefox
[10:35] <compilerwriter> I have downloaded an iso and in the folder with the download is a file that is the md5 checksum.  What program should I use to verify the checksums?
[10:35] <xevious> oh wow
[10:35] <andersin> md5sum
[10:35] <xevious> yeah gmail sure doesnt work in konq
[10:35] <WaltzingAlong> compilerwriter: md5sum
[10:35] <vbgunz> considering they're both open source, it would be nice if I could switch engines like the user agent if the need arises
[10:35] <WaltzingAlong> gmail works just fine in kde (konqueror) 3.5.7 on my machine
[10:36] <compilerwriter> Do I fire md5sum up in a terminal or is it somewhere in this desktop of mine?
[10:36] <vbgunz> I have 3.5.6. still using fiesty with default repos
[10:36] <andersin> well what you can do is click on "Location->Open With firefox"
[10:36] <trevor> nosrednaekim: back...
[10:36] <nosrednaekim> trevor: is the light on now?
[10:36] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: gmail dowsnt work fine
[10:36] <vbgunz> andersin, thanks for that link, that sure helps clue me in to a possibility
[10:36] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: what is not working well about it?
[10:37] <trevor> nosrednaekim: no.
[10:37] <nosrednaekim> trevor: huh..... its probably acer_acpi messing things up. I never used it. uninstall it or blacklist it
[10:38] <trevor> But I need it...
[10:38] <trevor> nosrednaekim: I used it the last time...
[10:38] <nosrednaekim> what for?
[10:38] <trevor> nosrednaekim: you have a 5050 right?
[10:38] <nosrednaekim> trevor: yeah
[10:38] <trevor> nosrednaekim: and you don't need it?
[10:38] <nosrednaekim> nope... never used it
[10:38] <andersin> vbgunz: If you have firefox installed, then you can click "open with firefox" from the "Location" menu
[10:38] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: the chat isnt working, also the animation is different
[10:39] <trevor> nosrednaekim: Did your's come with vista?
[10:39] <andersin> sorry, vbgnuz, got confused with the nicks
[10:39] <nosrednaekim> trevor: no... but I did get an express-upgrade
[10:39] <nosrednaekim> trevor: and I have upgraded the BIOS
[10:39] <vbgunz> andersin: I do have firefox but would like someting like that without the actual firefox overhead :)
[10:39] <compilerwriter> next question when using md5sum on an iso file do I need to do it in binary mode?
[10:40] <trevor> nosrednaekim: Okay.  I called up acer yesterday about the driver not wanting to work, but they said they didn't support the driver on their site...
[10:40] <nosrednaekim> trevor: the windows one?
[10:40] <trevor> Yeah...
[10:40] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: I c now also that it is very slow
[10:40] <trevor> nosrednaekim: I thought the wifi stuff ran through the acpi...
[10:40] <nosrednaekim> trevor: well, its the correct one as thats where I got mine from
[10:40] <andersin> vbgunz: well, I am not sure how much overhead firefox is, I use it that way occasionally and it is ok
[10:41] <trevor> nosrednaekim: Well, why the hell won't it work for me?!
[10:41] <andersin> vbgunz: depends on how often you need to use it though
[10:41] <trevor> nosrednaekim: I'm getting mad at acer...
[10:41] <nosrednaekim> trevor: heh... why don't you try upgrading to gutsy?
[10:41] <trevor> ?
[10:41] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: ok so 'does not work' means 'very slow', got it
[10:41] <trevor> nosrednaekim: You think that would help?
[10:41] <nosrednaekim> trevor: it works well here, both wireless and sound are perfect
[10:41] <trevor> Well, I fixed the sound...
[10:41] <trevor> Okay...
[10:41] <trevor> I'll be back..
[10:41] <xevious> how is gutsy?
[10:42] <nosrednaekim> xevious: great
[10:42] <nosrednaekim> trevor: I suggest a fresh install
[10:42] <xevious> does a dist-upgrade from feisty go smoothly?
[10:42] <trevor> ...
[10:42] <andersin> xevious: I did dist-upgrade and it worked
[10:42] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: no, it means the chat isnt working too
[10:42] <WaltzingAlong> xevious: i did and it worked well here too
[10:42] <xevious> ooh. we have a release candidate as of today
[10:42] <andersin> xevious: you use dolphin at the moment?
[10:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> xevious: it went smoothly for me aside from having to do a manual grub update
[10:43] <trevor> Well, I don't have any thing to loose, I guess..
[10:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> haven't had to since
[10:43] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: ok. chat is an addon to google's webmail through gmail
[10:43] <xevious> anderson: no, but i'm pretty pumped for that change
[10:43] <trevor> I haven't even got a chance to customize this yet...
[10:43] <WaltzingAlong> but anyway
[10:43] <nosrednaekim> dolpin is pretty nice
[10:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> trevor: hint: put /home on a separate partition so you don't lose as much if you do have to install for whatever reason
[10:43] <andersin> xevious: ok
[10:43] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: it is enabled, but it doesnt work
[10:44] <andersin> trevor: second that. /home on an extra partition is super
[10:44] <trevor> Daisuke_Laptop: I haven't even had a chance to put anything there yet, but thanks for the help...
[10:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> just a note for future reference
[10:44] <trevor> Hey.  Could I use a fat or ntfs system on home?
[10:44] <xevious>  /home on a 1.2tb raid5 array is super
[10:44] <andersin> trevor: changed from gentoo to kubuntu leaving home intact and it was smooth sailing
[10:44] <trevor> Like, and reset the environment variables in xp to look there for my documents?
[10:45] <andersin> xevious: sure, only I do not want to carry an extra bagpack for the disks next to my laptop =)
[10:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> trevor: it isn't recommended for obvious reasons
[10:45] <coreymon77> hi
[10:45] <xevious> andersin: hehe, good point
[10:45] <coreymon77> whens gutsy expected?
[10:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> erm...
[10:45] <nosrednaekim> trevor: no.. that doesn't work well
[10:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> iunno
[10:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> rc today, apparently
[10:45] <xevious> coreymon77: we got a RC today. so soon. when it's ready.
[10:45] <nosrednaekim> trevor: just install ext3 drivers for windows.
[10:45] <nosrednaekim> 18th
[10:45] <andersin> trevor: ntfs is difficult to setup, since you need fuse for write support and fat does not work well with permissions
[10:46] <stdin> coreymon77: RC's up now i think http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/gutsy/
[10:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> 18th in theory
[10:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> but this isn't theory, it's real life
[10:46] <trevor> nosrednaekim: Where do I get them?  I've found programs, but I want the drive to be real...
[10:46] <nosrednaekim> trevor: google it...
[10:47] <xevious> goshdarnit.
[10:47] <xevious> my drummer's girlfriend keeps hitting on me
[10:47] <xevious> *grumble*grumble*
[10:47] <Vermux> Konqueror is not supported by gmail
[10:47] <andersin> trevor: just make your home drive fat
[10:47] <nosrednaekim> trevor: and I have to go. if you have any issues, email me at nosrednaekim@gmail.com
[10:47] <andersin> trevor: that is a little easier
[10:47] <nosrednaekim> andersin: that doesn't work very well
[10:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> ooooh, new intel video driver :D
[10:48] <schwiz> hello anyone got time to help a complete noob ?  :P
[10:48] <xevious> i'd strongly recommend NOT doing fat for your home drive
[10:48] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: from where?
[10:48] <andersin> nosretnaekim: true but arguably better than /
[10:48] <xevious> schwiz: let me have a cigarette first, then i'd love to
[10:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> nosrednaekim: gutsy, doing an update
[10:48] <schwiz> cool beans just pm me when you ready :)
[10:48] <xevious> right on
[10:48] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: cool, I'm waiting impatiently for the new ATI driver
[10:49] <andersin> schwiz: ask the question so we can all have a go =)
[10:49] <xevious> schwiz: you gotta register with nickserv to be able to do private messages
[10:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> schwiz: other people may be having the same issue, please ask support questions in the channel.  and remember that there are no stupid questions
[10:50] <xevious> schwiz: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[10:50] <xevious> bbiab
[10:50] <nosrednaekim> trevor: I have to go... good luck
[10:51] <minnozz> what could cause the error " Oct 11 22:39:05 ammobox kdm_greet[10807] : Internal error: memory corruption detected"
[10:51] <trevor> nosrednaekim: Thanks!
[10:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> minnozz: memory corruption?
[10:53] <minnozz> Daisuke_Laptop: hmm for some reason I thought that too =)
[10:53] <minnozz> but is it a software or a hardware error?
[10:53] <trevor> Okay...  Concensus on best thing to do with the home directory?
[10:53] <andersin> minnozz: you can boot in the memtest kernel and try...
[10:53] <trevor> Wait...
[10:53] <minnozz> andersin: I did that a while ago without errors
[10:53] <minnozz> but I'll try
[10:53] <trevor> Could I mount the document drive to a point on home?
[10:54] <trevor> like /home/trevor/docs
[10:54] <andersin> trevor: that is probably best
[10:54] <trevor> Like I do with windows in the media folder?
[10:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> trevor: that you can do, and is a good idea
[10:54] <trevor> Thanks!
[10:54] <trevor> Now...  EXT3?
[10:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> i do that with my laptop (mount nfs shares in directories residing in my home directory
[10:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> ext3 for home, definitely
[10:55] <trevor> Okay...
[10:55] <trevor> I don't need the whole of home...
[10:55] <trevor> Just documents and stuff...
[10:55] <trevor> That way, I can get to them from both windows and linux...
[10:55] <andersin> we can start arguing about ext vs reiser =)
[10:55] <trevor> I'm scared of reiser, so let's not...
[10:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> andersin: i would prefer a non-murderous filesystem.
[10:57] <lovre> how do i set the resolution in kubuntu?
[10:57] <Klowner> Anyone know if Amarok has an option to rip a cd to the harddrive?
[10:58] <poison--> guys, can i add a folder with *.deb packages to adept or synaptic so i dont need to download them again?
[10:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> Klowner: open konqueror
[10:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> and with an audio cd in the drive, type audiocd:/ in the address/location bar
[10:59] <poison--> guys, can i add a folder with *.deb packages to adept or synaptic so i dont need to download them again?
[10:59] <poison--> laggggggggg
[10:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> ...i think, i don't do that often...
[10:59] <Klowner> Daisuke_Laptop: ahh, then just.. drag the ogg or mp3 fake-folder things to my music library?
[10:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> yep
[11:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> that'll take care of ripping and everything else
[11:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> should properly tag, as well
[11:00] <Klowner> Daisuke_Laptop: cool, thank you. It'd be cool if they just added a simple little copy button to amarok. Oh well, this is easy enough
[11:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> i don't know that amarok doesn't have tht
[11:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> never tried
[11:01] <lovre> how do i change resolution, any1?
[11:01] <trevor> Desktop configuration?
[11:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> !resolution
[11:01] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:02] <lovre> i dont see it
[11:02] <schwiz> mmm at the boot screen there is an option..
[11:02] <schwiz> I can't get past the boot screen though lol
[11:02] <strog_> how can u change your bootspash
[11:02] <strog_> bootsplash
[11:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> !usplash
[11:02] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[11:03] <lovre> Daisuke_Laptop: thats about fixing problems, im asking normal screen resolution changing?
[11:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> you're better off waiting for gutsy to go final though
[11:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> lovre: if you can't change your resolution, there's a problem.
[11:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> ctrl+alt+(+/-) would normally do it
[11:04] <lovre> Daisuke_Laptop: i could, if i just knew how. Im new to linux, and i dont know where that option is
[11:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh!
[11:04] <schwiz> anyone know how to fix this problem, When i try to boot with the live CD, after the boot menu my screen goes blank.  I have an 8800 Ultra
[11:04] <lovre> Daisuke_Laptop: :D
[11:04] <xevious> schwiz: i just realized it was later than i thought and i have a gig in an hour
[11:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> well then
[11:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> system settings > monitor and display
[11:04] <xevious> schwiz: which boot screen? from the CD or after you've installed?
[11:04] <schwiz> from the cd, i can't install
[11:05] <schwiz> I see the CD boot menu, I press 1 to boot/install and after it loads the screen is blank
[11:05] <xevious> schwiz: which version, feisty or gutsy?
[11:05] <schwiz> uhh...
[11:05] <xevious> schwiz: (7.04 or 7.10)
[11:05] <schwiz> let me find out one sec
[11:05] <lovre> Daisuke_Laptop: thank you very much
[11:06] <schwiz> 7.04
[11:06] <lontra> does kubuntu still have a crippled konqueror profile in 7.10?
[11:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> you're welcome
[11:07] <blekos> can anyone tell me how i can *easily* syncronize my PDA with kmail?
[11:07] <xevious> schwiz: well. i'd give the 7.10 release candidate a try, see if that fixes things. how's your monitor connected? rgb or dvi?
[11:08] <xevious> greets, anto
[11:08] <schwiz> DVI, Where do I get the 7.10 release I only noticed this one version (besides the server version)
[11:09] <xevious> schwiz: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/gutsy/
[11:10] <xevious> schwiz: i know with the binary nvidia driver there's been a problem where it defaults to a TV out when the monitor's plugged in by DVI, but wouldn't think that applies to the vesa driver that the install CD uses.
[11:10] <xevious> schwiz: but give that gutsy CD a try, i gotta run to my gig
[11:11] <lontra> anyone know if konqi will have a crippled profile in 7.10?
[11:11] <schwiz> could it be because i got the amd64 release?  I have an intel Q6600 I wanted to take advantage of?
[11:11] <lontra> i guess i mean simplified ... but it's crippled imo
[11:11] <andersin> lontra: probably, but I am not sure
[11:11] <lontra> andersin: thanks
[11:11] <xevious> schwiz: i run amd64, it detected my server's onboard 6150 a-ok
[11:12] <Vermux> how do I view repositories in Adept?
[11:12] <schwiz> cool i didn't think it would be a problem just wanted to make sure before i downloaded the 7.10 amd64 version :)
[11:13] <xevious> schwiz: running amd64 can make using flash and things a little more complex, just to warn you
[11:13] <Vermux> does somebody know how can I view repositories in Adept?
[11:13] <xevious> schwiz: and at this point there really isnt a performance increase unless you need to crunch 64bit numbers
[11:13] <andersin> Vermux: "adept" "manage repositories"
[11:14] <xevious> schwiz: good luck. i'll be back on here late tonight
[11:14] <Vermux> it gives me a window: software resources"
[11:14] <anto> andersin: i reinstalled today back to 32Bit kubuntu and had help from another guy now everything is working except for one thing
[11:15] <anto> schwiz: Watchout when downloading the amd64 version, you will lose alot of programs
[11:15] <Vermux> andersin: where can I view them?
[11:15] <anto> schwiz: i personaly made that misstake before
[11:15] <andersin> anto: hi
[11:16] <andersin> Vermux: /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.d/*
[11:16] <Vermux> andersin: what is this? I meant graphically
[11:16] <anto> andersin: how do i setup the x-tra buttons on my board such as the www , next song, previus song play/pause?
[11:17] <anto> vermux, sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:17] <anto> vermux, that will show you a list in kate editor program
[11:17] <andersin> anto: which keyboard?
[11:18] <anto> andersin, BenQ
[11:19] <andersin> anto: in system settings you find "Regional and Languages"
[11:19] <Vermux> Im trying to follow the following steps:
[11:19] <andersin> anto: in there is keyboard layout
[11:19] <Vermux> #
[11:19] <Vermux> Start Adept by choosing K Menu->System->Adept (Package Manager) from the Desktop menu system.
[11:19] <Vermux> #
[11:19] <Vermux> Select View->Manage Repositories in the Adept package manager window.
[11:19] <Vermux> #
[11:19] <Vermux> To enable the Universe repository, find the repository line with the Universe Component, and right click the line and select Enable.
[11:19] <andersin> anto: see if your model is supported
[11:19] <andersin> anto: also check the generic intl keyboards
[11:19] <anto> andersin: dose not look like it
[11:22] <Vermux> when I click on manage repositories "softwre siurces window opens
[11:22] <Vermux> who can help to clrify these without going into text editors and command prompt at this point
[11:22] <henrik__> hey guys, can anyone tell me how i can mount a .iso file? been looking around, but nothing I try works.. :/
[11:22] <Vermux> anyone?
[11:22] <andersin> anto: well the best way is probably google
[11:22] <andersin> anto: if that fails I talk you through rolling your own
[11:23] <Vermux> nobody knows how to view repositories with Adept?  this is wiered
[11:23] <anto> andersin: i don't think you realy understood my problem
[11:23] <andersin> anto: you have extra keys on your keyboard that you want to have do something
[11:24] <anto> andersin: the keyboard works fine with the layout but i want the accessori buttons to work such as play/pause, next song, previus song, open Firefox Etc
[11:24] <anto> andersin:  Okej you do understand what i want to do but i don't understand what you want me to try
[11:24] <yamal> !iso | henrik__
[11:24] <ubotu> henrik__: To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[11:24] <andersin> anto: ok, fire up xev in a console
[11:24] <andersin> anto: and then press one of these buttons
[11:25] <lovre> i messed up. I cant install my graphics card driver. Installation says i can install it while running X. What should i do?
[11:25] <lovre> can i quit X and use only console?
[11:25] <andersin> anto: look for something like keycode 174 (keysym 0x1008ff11, XF86AudioLowerVolume)
[11:25] <SheeEttin> lovre: recovery mode?
[11:25] <lovre> recovery mode is console only?
[11:25] <lovre> ok ill try, be back in few minutes
[11:26] <andersin> lovre: ALT+CTRL+F1, log in, /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[11:26] <anto> 164 is stop
[11:26] <anto> andersin: 164 is the stop keycode
[11:26] <andersin> ok, does it have a keysymbol?
[11:27] <andersin> or does it say keysym 0x0, NoSymbol
[11:28] <anto> andersin: the media buttons work but only when i have got focus on that X screen ( i got two screens is it possible to make them work when i got focus on the other screen)?
[11:28] <Vermux> how can I view repositories in Adept?
[11:28] <anto> andersin: when i try WWW button "state 0x10, keycode 130 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES,"
[11:29] <andersin> anto: ok, so to decode that it reports a key that X does not know what to make of
[11:29] <anto> How do i tell X what to do with the keycode ?
[11:30] <andersin> anto: can you tell me the other keys that do not work, please
[11:31] <andersin> the best is probably to try the keyboard models that are in X and see if one works for you
[11:31] <anto> andersin: that is not my main concern
[11:31] <anto> andersin: i want the media buttons to work when i have got focus on another X server
[11:32] <anto> i'm runing seperate X servers for the screens
[11:32] <andersin> anto: so you have 2 monitors, or 2 users?
[11:32] <anto> 2 monitors
[11:33] <andersin> anto: and on each you have a separate X server with different users?
[11:33] <Vermux> who knows how to see repositories in Adept manager?
[11:33] <anto> andersin: no i have the same user
[11:33] <andersin> Vermux: under the adept menu "manage repositories"
[11:34] <andersin> anto: so why the 2 servers?
[11:34] <anto> Its hard to explain
[11:34] <andersin> anto: are they on separate graphics cards?
[11:34] <anto> andersin: No
[11:34] <Vermux> andersin: but when I click on it a window opens :software resources" I dont c any repositories!!
[11:34] <andersin> anto: cause the nvidia cards should be able to drive 2 monitors
[11:35] <anto> andersin: i know that because i'm already using 2 moniters
[11:35] <ubunturos> I installed tomcat5 on 6.06.1 and it couldn't find JDK. I pointed it to JDK through the file, /etc/default/tomcat5
[11:35] <ubunturos> however, all of them begin with a # (assuming this is for comments)
[11:35] <anto> andersin: the problem is when i got amarok on one server and i got focus on the other server and want to change songs using the keyboard media keys without changeing focus
[11:35] <ubunturos> how do I test if my tomcat5 is running?
[11:36] <ubunturos> and on what port does it run
[11:36] <anto> andersin: if that makes sence to you of course
[11:36] <andersin> Vermux: what do you see?
[11:36] <anto> ubunturos: ps ax | grep tomcat5
[11:36] <andersin> anto: is it not possible to use only one server?
[11:36] <anto> andersin: yes it is but then its a real mess with windows and stuff
[11:36] <andersin> anto: sounds that you want a plain dual-head setup
[11:36] <ubunturos> anto: the process is running, but how do I test a sample page
[11:37] <andersin> anto: that I do not understand
[11:37] <ubunturos> anto: I'm unaware of the port it is running on
[11:37] <Vermux> andersin: "SOftware Resources" window with the following tabs: kubuntu software, third party software, updates, authentication, statistics!!
[11:37] <andersin> thats it
[11:37] <andersin> Vermux: thats it
[11:37] <anto> ubunturos: sudo apt-get install nmap then use ifconfig to find our your ip then write nmap <your ip> and it will show up.
[11:38] <anto> ubunturos: else just google for the standard port of it and try that
[11:38] <andersin> Vermux: the standard repositories "hide" behind the chekboxes
[11:38] <Vermux> I want to do this but dont c any repository: find the repository line that starts with "cdrom:", right click the line, and select Disable
[11:38] <andersin> Vermux: ah
[11:38] <ubunturos> anto: the port on windows is 8080, tried that, doesn't work
[11:39] <anto> andersin: ill talk more tomorrow school tomorrow
[11:39] <anto> ubunturos: actualy the default port is 80 if i'm not wrong
[11:39] <ubunturos> anto: is nmap compulsory?
[11:39] <ubunturos> anto: Apache's running on that
[11:39] <ubunturos> anto: Tomcat has to run on top of it
[11:39] <andersin> Vermux: you sure that the cdrom line is in there
[11:39] <anto> ubunturos: nmap is what i use to see what ports are runing on a certain ip or scan the network
[11:40] <anto> ubunturos: its got nothing to do with the actual tomcat process
[11:40] <andersin> do a grep -i cdrom /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.d/*
[11:40] <ubunturos> anto: umm. ok
[11:40] <Vermux> anto: is the source code box has to be checked or not?
[11:40] <anto> ubunturos: best of luck mate i'm going to bed dam school otmorrow
[11:40] <Vermux> andersin:  I dont c any cdrom line
[11:40] <anto> Vermux: ask andersin instead i'm going to bed
[11:40] <ubunturos> anto: ok, thanks. Good Night :)
[11:41] <Vermux> andersin: does the source code box has to be checked?
[11:41] <andersin> Vermux: what do you want to do
[11:41] <andersin> Vermux: it only needs to be checked if you need the source code
[11:41] <Vermux> andersin: I dont remember what the default was and if I changed it
[11:42] <andersin> the default where you get the packages from?
[11:42] <sugiono> hello
[11:42] <sugiono> i want to help
[11:44] <Vermux> andersin: Im trying to follow the instruction :"find the repository line that starts with "cdrom:", right click the line, and select Disable". where is the list?
[11:44] <andersin> Vermux: maybe you do not need that. What instructions are those?
[11:45] <Vermux> from the basic guide to kubuntu
[11:45] <Vermux> andersin: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/extra-repositories.html
[11:46] <Vermux> it is frustrating, the documentation is so poor
[11:46] <andersin> are you running 6.10?
[11:47] <lovre> ive really done it now. I have a nVidia 7900GS graphics card, and im having problems installing the drivers (first time driver installing in linux for me)
[11:47] <lovre> can some1 help plz
[11:47] <andersin> Vermux: does adept ask you for a cdrom when you want to update?
[11:48] <andersin> lovre: if you wait for gutsy, it has a restricted manages for these things
[11:49] <andersin> lovre: otherwise you need to do 3 things
[11:50] <andersin> lovre: 1. edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, find the line that reads Driver "nv" or Driver "vesa" and replace it with Driver "nvidia"
[11:50] <andersin> lovre: 2. install linux-restricted-modules-common and nvidia-glx
[11:50] <andersin> lovre: 3. cross your fingers and restart X
[11:51] <andersin> Vermux: you still there?
[11:51] <Vermux> yes, sec
[11:53] <dumnut_> hi, i am in process of loading kubuntu disk, it said "file:cdrom/pool/main/u/utils-linux/bsdutils_2.125-4ubuntu6_i386.deb was corrupt, cvould not download package bsutils & liliu28", and now it hangs at "installing the base system udev", is ther any way i can continue or do i need to order another disk from kubunt?
[11:53] <lovre> andersin: install linux-restricted-modules-common and nvidia-glx ----- how do i do that?
[11:53] <Vermux> andersin: it does not ask me for cdrom
[11:53] <andersin> lovre: can you open konsole please
[11:54] <andersin> Vermux: well, skip it then
[11:54] <Vermux> andersin: however, I just wanted to follow these instructions but the explanation is so bad
[11:54] <lovre> yes
[11:54] <lovre> andersin: yes
[11:54] <andersin> lovre: ok, type sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-common
[11:54] <Vermux> andersin: my questions is where is the list of all depositories??
[11:55] <andersin> Vermux: 2 sources
[11:55] <andersin> Vermux: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:55] <andersin> Vermux: and all files in /etc/apt/sources.d
[11:55] <pcrtech> can you do software raid of firewire hard drives?
[11:55] <lovre> andersin: i get this error:
[11:55] <lovre> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - o                        pen (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:55] <lovre> E: Unable to lock the administration directo                        ry (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process usin                        g it?
[11:56] <andersin> Vermux: you should see lines like deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted
[11:56] <andersin> lovre: close the install program first
[11:56] <lovre> andersin: what install program?
[11:57] <lovre> andersin: im not running anything
[11:57] <Vermux> the first file is empty
[11:57] <Vermux> andersin:
[11:57] <andersin> lovre: that error means that some other program is busy installing/removing software
[11:57] <lzfy> hello everyone
[11:58] <andersin> Vermux: anything that starts with deb in the other files?
[11:58] <pcrtech> i think there is a dpkg command to unlock the repositories and library
[11:58] <ScorpKing> !aptfix
[11:58] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[11:58] <Vermux> what other file
[11:58] <lovre> andersin: seems adept manager is running but i cant kill it
[11:58] <Vermux> andersin:  this is the only file I havesources.list.d
[11:58] <andersin> try kill -9
[11:58] <Vermux> andersin:   sources.list.d
[11:59] <andersin> Vermux: sources.list.d should be a directory
[11:59] <lovre> andersin: not working. How can i get the list of processes with they ID to kill them?
[11:59] <andersin> lovre: ps -ef
[11:59] <ardchoille> lovre: ps aux | grep adept_manager
[11:59] <Vermux> andersin:  there are no files there
[11:59] <stdin> lovre: try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:59] <Vermux> andersin:  it is empty directory
[12:00] <lovre> stdin: what does that do?
[12:00] <pcrtech> unlocks the repos
[12:00] <stdin> lovre: kills anything locking the database
[12:00] <andersin> Vermux: so you have no file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d and no content in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:00] <andersin> Vermux: does that sum up the situation
[12:01] <pcrtech> is it possible to do software raid with firewire hard drives?
[12:01] <Vermux> andersin:  I have only the first directory u wrote. the 2nd one I do not have
[12:01] <pcrtech> i have three drives i want to raid together (2x200gb in RAID 0 and then those two RAID 1 to a 400gb)
[12:02] <andersin> Vermux: ok, so in short you have no repository set up
[12:02] <Vermux> andersin: ok, but why it doesnt say about it in the documentation?
[12:02] <pcrtech> !sources
[12:02] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:02] <andersin> Vermux: what happens if you do sudo apt-get update from a konsole?
[12:03] <andersin> Vermux: because it took me as a human some time to figure that out, documentation can't do that -)
[12:03] <Vermux> andersin: documentation should do that.
[12:04] <lovre> andersin: there was some problem with domino (?wtf?). it instructed me to do: sudo apt-get -f install
[12:04] <andersin> lovre: domino?
[12:04] <lovre> andersin: i know, thats wierd, dunno
[12:04] <lovre> andersin: maybe it was blocking something or i dunno
[12:05] <andersin> Vermux: ok, so apart from following the doc to the letter, what did you want to do in the first place that got you to the doc?
[12:05] <andersin> lovre: ok, can you install now?
[12:05] <Vermux> andersin:  Im new in this linux and kubuntu thing. where do I c the repositories and how can I enable this function?
[12:05] <andersin> lovre: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-common
[12:05] <lovre> andersin: yes, its installing
[12:05] <lovre> andersin: now
[12:05] <lovre> andersin: linux-restricted-modules-common is already the newest version.
[12:05] <Vermux> andersin:  all I wanted to do is to read about kubuntu- get familiar with it
[12:05] <lovre> andersin: should i restart computer now?
[12:06] <andersin> lovre: did you edit xorg.conf?
[12:06] <lovre> andersin: yes, i wrote nvidia where you said
[12:06] <andersin> lovre: try it, and good luck =)
[12:06] <lovre> andersin: what are my chances?
[12:07] <Vermux> andersin: it is a problem when something is not explained, or not explained well by official documentation
[12:07] <andersin> lovre: if it fails, just switch the line back to the old one in xorg.conf
[12:07] <andersin> Vermux: when did you install?
[12:07] <lovre> andersin: with my luck, i think ill be changing it. OK, ill brb
[12:07] <Vermux> andersin: installed a week ago
[12:08] <andersin> Vermux: to be fair, you use the 6.10 documentation when you installed 7.04, it could just be outdated
[12:08] <andersin> Vermux: have you taken a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu ?
[12:08] <andersin> Vermux: that seems to be a much nicer guide to repositories
[12:09] <Vermux> andersin: I need adocumentation for kubuntu
[12:10] <andersin> Vermux: Do you need questions answered, do you have problems or do you want an overview of what it can do?
[12:11] <andersin> Vermux: it is difficult without concrete questions
[12:11] <Vermux> yes, overview. untill now I used the overview for 6.0...
[12:11] <andersin> Vermux: anything in particular that you want to do?
[12:12] <Vermux> andersin: not right now, I need to take a break from it. it is frustrating
[12:12] <Vermux> andersin:  do u recommmend the Ubuntu web site u sent me the link for?
[12:12] <pcrtech> http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[12:13] <andersin> Vermux: Well that sites is for a particular problem, namely repositories
[12:13] <Yammeh> What's the option on cp that allows me to copy a whole directory to another destination?
[12:13] <andersin> Vermux: just start using it, if you run into problems, it is much easier to help you to deal with them once we know what they are
[12:13] <Vermux> andersin: Ic. and for general overview?
[12:13] <andersin> Yammeh: -r
[12:13] <Yammeh> Thanks
[12:14] <Vermux> andersin: sonds good
[12:14] <Vermux> sounds
[12:14] <andersin> Vermux: there is not really one, I know that there is a ubuntu book
[12:14] <andersin> Vermux: but there are so many programs that you cant catch all
[12:14] <Vermux> andersin: this is exactly the problem, and the problem with the whole linux
[12:14] <andersin> Vermux: tell me what you want to do with it and I can help you
[12:15] <andersin> Vermux: ok, what do you expect to get out of an overview?
[12:15] <andersin> Vermux: maybe if you tell me where you want to end up, I can tell you how to get there =)
[12:16] <Vermux> andersin: nothing in particular now. I will continue tomorrow. the overview should be similar to the link I sent u, but updated and more self explenatory
[12:16] <andersin> Vermux: The link you sent me is one tiny aspect of kubuntu
[12:16] <Vermux> andersin: I want to end up understanding the concepts behind linux, Kubuntu. Command prompt
[12:17] <andersin> Vermux: and to be fair it is the solution to a particular problem
[12:17] <Vermux> andersin:  and beeing able to use it
[12:17] <andersin> Vermux: ah
[12:18] <andersin> Vermux: by concept you mean how to administer it from the command line?
[12:18] <Vermux> andersin: the goal is to know how to use linux and its commands
[12:18] <lovre> it didnt work. Im stuch with 640x480 resolution on 19'' monitor :(((((((((((((((((((((((((
[12:18] <andersin> lovre: install nvidia-settings and see if you can change the res
[12:18] <Vermux> andersin: yes, administer from the CMD and from GUI
[12:19] <lovre> so linux is a pest when it comes to drivers... as i heard...
[12:19] <ScorpKing> lol
[12:19] <lovre> i recovered the cfg file to vesa or whatever it is
[12:19] <andersin> Vermux: ok, the first thing you need to understand then is to build up some understanding of what the command line can do
[12:19] <Vermux> andersin: right
[12:20] <lovre> i have to study for tomorrow, and now i cant even read from this monitor :(
[12:20] <Vermux> andersin:  I have the link for the command line(from ubuntu web site) but didnt have the chance to read it yet
[12:20] <andersin> Vermux: I can only recomend to you that you try to use programs until you hit problems and then solve them
[12:21] <Vermux> andersin: so r u suggesting to start with the cmd first and not with the GUI aspects?
[12:21] <lovre> andersin: i installed nvidia-settings, but there is nothing in it. No options available
[12:21] <andersin> Vermux: that way you gradually build up an understanding
[12:21] <lovre> andersin: is there anything i can do?
[12:21] <andersin> lovre: moment, please
[12:21] <lovre> andersin: ok
[12:21] <Vermux> andersin: and how longshould it take if I invest in it\?
[12:22] <andersin> Vermux: well first of all get all the applications you need
[12:22] <andersin> Vermux: if you want to learn the command prompt
[12:22] <andersin> Vermux: then I suggest getting familiar with at least an editor and reqular expressions for grep
[12:23] <enjoi1216> hey andersin do you know how to install the new Firefox 2.0.0.7 because i just checked and i can't use wine to install it although i can download the fule
[12:23] <Vermux> grep?
[12:23] <Vermux> andersin: I forgot what it is.
[12:23] <enjoi1216> fule=file
[12:23] <enjoi1216> ??
[12:23] <andersin> it is used to output only lines from a file which match a pattern
[12:24] <andersin> do not use the windows version!
[12:24] <andersin> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/09/manually-installing-the-latest-firefox-in-kubuntu-a-cleaner-installation/
[12:24] <enjoi1216> can anyone in this room help me
[12:25] <andersin> lovre: are you sure that the nvidia driver is loaded?
[12:25] <ScorpKing> Vermux: read this when you have some time. maybe it will help - http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.gz
[12:25] <andersin> Vermux: the "secret" to administering from the command line is to learn about the different configuration files
[12:26] <andersin> Vermux: like that the repositories are listed in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:26] <Vermux> andersin: thanks, I appreaciate your efforts
[12:26] <lovre> andersin: it is NOT loaded, could not boot with that configuration
[12:26] <andersin> Vermux: the guis then only change the files for you
[12:26] <andersin> ah, what was the error?
[12:26] <andersin> lovre: ah, what was the error?
[12:27] <Vermux> andersin: what is guis? also the file names are very confusing and dont make any sense
[12:27] <lovre> no error, just a blank screen and nothing happens. i recover the old cfg file and i booted succesfully
[12:27] <andersin> ok
[12:28] <andersin> can you paste the log
[12:28] <Vermux> andersin: ok have a good night, talk later
[12:28] <andersin> it should be in /var/log/xorg.log.old
[12:28] <andersin> Vermux: good night
[12:28] <Vermux> andersin: I saved all the link for future reference
[12:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> pastebin the log!
[12:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> !paste
[12:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:29] <andersin> ScorpKing: thanks for the link!
[12:30] <ScorpKing> andersin: uga had a solution - http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/kubuntu-2007-09-27.html
[12:30] <ScorpKing> for nvidia
[12:30] <ScorpKing> andersin: got that link from uga too. :D
[12:30] <andersin> ScorpKing: whats uga?
[12:31] <ScorpKing> a nic on irc
[12:31] <ScorpKing> not here tonight.
[12:31] <Col-Panic> Hi there
[12:31] <lovre> andersin: i followed instructions from ubuntuguide, i did what it asked, except one thing. Its says to add "libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1" to config file. Where do i add it? EOF or BOF or what?
[12:31] <Col-Panic> Is there a way so change the way those tooltips are shown in KDE?
[12:31] <enjoi1216> hey andersin what was that weblink again
[12:31] <enjoi1216> because i accidentally closed it
[12:31] <andersin> http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.gz
[12:32] <Col-Panic> I'm talking about the animation once, sliding in from left to right, like "K Menu"
[12:32] <Col-Panic> once -> one
[12:32] <enjoi1216> i need to one on firefox
[12:32] <andersin> lovre: please pastebin the log and the xorg.conf when it did not work
[12:32] <andersin> ah, sorry
[12:32] <andersin> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/09/manually-installing-the-latest-firefox-in-kubuntu-a-cleaner-installation/
[12:33] <andersin> should have told Vermux about the ubuntu screencasts
[12:33] <lovre> andersin: where do i find the log?
but that might drive him to gnome</irony>
[12:34] <andersin> lovre: /var/log/Xorg.log.old
[12:34] <ScorpKing> andersin: sorry, wrong irc link. looking for the right one.
[12:34] <andersin> I seem to attract nvidia problem at late hours :-S
[12:35] <lovre> andersin: http://pastebin.com/m77de3904  im going to restart, be right back
[12:36] <andersin> lovre: wait
[12:36] <andersin> lovre: need /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:36] <dv_> hello
[12:37] <andersin> hello
[12:37] <dv_> guys, do you think I can install the RC without problems?
[12:37] <dv_> my sister's new PC is here. now. I don't want to keep her waiting until oct 18th
[12:38] <andersin> yes, but don't blame me if it goes wrong. I upgraded to the beta and it is sweet
[12:38] <andersin> The only problem with the RC is that you have more updates until release
[12:38] <dv_> but nothing that breaks the system I suppose
[12:38] <andersin> i.e. you get update notifications every day
[12:39] <andersin> you in for a fresh install or an update?
[12:39] <dv_> fresh
[12:39] <andersin> sure, go for the rc