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Tac_Wor1is there anyone in here that can help with login issues to the ubuntu shipit?...12:59
RinchenTac_Wor1, hi. What's the problem?01:07
Tac_Wor1i cant remember my account I had last time01:07
RinchenTac_Wor1, do you have a launchpad account?01:07
Tac_Wor1i tried all my emails and nothing is recognized01:07
Tac_Wor1Rinchen: last time i got cds was over a year ago... i dont remember anything about launchpad, but I presumed the accounts would be migrated from what was there before?01:08
RinchenTac_Wor1, ok.   If you look here:  https://shipit.ubuntu.com/login   you'll see a way to create a new account01:09
RinchenTac_Wor1, if the system says you already have one, you can request a password reset.01:09
Tac_Wor1so I do just need to create a new one....01:09
Tac_Wor1i just was trying to find my old one because it had an old address.... and those people dont need cds :)01:09
RinchenTac_Wor1, it's ok. When you get to the shipit ordering screen you can change that information :-)01:09
Tac_Wor1not if I cant find my old account :)01:10
Rinchenone sec and I'll see if I can find you with the easy method01:10
RinchenTac_Wor1, nope. Not via the easy way although I did find someone close :-) 01:14
RinchenTac_Wor1, slight spelling difference on your last name though01:14
Tac_Wor1what can you look up by?01:14
Tac_Wor1if i gave you the last address?01:14
Tac_Wor1i could have spelled my name wrong :-p .... was it in michigan?01:15
RinchenTac_Wor1, I can't do that lookup. I can only do on names (first, last, nick) and email01:15
RinchenTac_Wor1, I try to avoid super powers when possible. :-) 01:16
Tac_Wor1ah well, thanks for trying.. i will just open a new account01:16
RinchenTac_Wor1, that's best. And, remember the password :-) 01:16
Tac_Wor1well i only use a couple passwords.... but even when i was doing the forgot password, i tried all my emails and none were found01:16
jelmerWhat are the changes of https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/12218 being resolved soon? It's blocking my use of launchpad for release management because I can't release the *real* 0.4.2 now.01:16
Rinchenjelmer, let me see if I can find a bug report for that01:17
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Rinchenwow, eeerry01:18
Rinchenjelmer, the short version is that I haven't schedule this one yet.01:19
Rinchenjelmer, I'll see if I can schedule this for 1.1.11 (November)01:20
jelmerRinchen: Thanks, that would help01:21
Rinchenjelmer, if you want, ping me in a day or two and I'll be able to tell you if it's scheduled.01:22
jelmerRinchen: ok, thanks01:22
Rinchenjelmer, I have some work to do here before I can officially get it on the schedule.01:22
jelmerRinchen: There's no chance of simply getting this particular release being removed from the database?01:23
Rinchenjelmer, that was going to be my next question.  I'll look into that as well.  Normally we try not to monkey with the database :-)   Data integrity and stuff like that.01:23
jelmerRinchen: k01:24
Rinchenjelmer, you might try to edit the release information and see if you can make it work for what you want it to01:25
lifelessthere should be no problem altering the release details in the db01:44
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lagahi. does anyone know how to make the PPA create .ddebs? is it as simple as depending on pkg-create-dbgsym ?02:33
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keirhow can i push a 'scratch' branch to launchpad? without a project?02:35
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spivkeir: you can push to /~USER/+junk/foo02:36
keirspiv, great, thanks02:36
spivi.e. use "+junk" rather than a project name.02:36
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gnomefreakis LP down?06:01
gnomefreakSorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.06:02
gnomefreakTry reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.06:02
gnomefreakno error code06:02
mptgnomefreak, and did you?06:02
gnomefreaki just did and it connected06:02
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thumpergnomefreak: LP.net or edge.LP.net?06:15
thumpergnomefreak: perhaps it was doing a code update?06:16
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jtvhi carlos08:40
mdkehi carlos 08:44
mdkecarlos: do you know if danilo is around in these next few days?08:44
carlosmdke: yes, he should be around in 2-3 hours08:45
carlosmaybe earlier08:45
mdkeok, great. I've been trying to catch him08:46
carlosmdke: I will tell Danilo that you want to talk with him08:48
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mdkecarlos: that's great; I'm not around on irc though, it's just about my recent email to -translators where I copied him in, if he can take a look, that would be great08:50
mdkethanks a lot08:51
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ubotuNew bug: #151504 in malone "fake projects and user accounts" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15150409:36
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killercowDoes anyone know why im getting timeouts when i try to access the translation pages for dutch for various products?10:18
killercowthere's an error number; OOPS-649B54310:19
killercowi take it everyone is sound asleep?10:23
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carlosjtv: <killercow> Hi,10:25
carlos Does anyone know why im getting timeouts when i try to access the translation pages for dutch for various products?10:25
carlos there's an error number; OOPS-649B54310:25
carloskillercow: jtv is working on that performance problem10:25
jtvkillercow: it's a caching effect, so trying again a minute or so later may solve the problem.10:26
killercowwill do10:27
jtvWell, give you the page, at any rate.10:27
killercowi got a couple of spare mintes now and then, so i thought i better spend them on something constructive.10:27
jtvAnd then these timeouts are really annoying...  I'm sorry about that.10:28
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jtvkillercow: you may want to work in browser tabs, and if you know you're going to want another translation page soon, open it in another tab.10:29
jtvThat way the data can start loading in the background while you continue to do what you're doing.10:30
killercowjvt, its okay, i'l pop open a bunch of translatable pages anyway10:30
killercowis the server just not performant enough for this kind of work, or is te data stored on slow media?10:31
jtvJust a lot of data!10:31
killercowah, ok10:31
jtvI mean, _a lot_.  :)10:32
killercowhehe, how much? if i might ask? tb's?10:32
jtvkillercow: if you need to ask, you probably don't have the storage space.  :)10:32
killercowwell, i might, but it won't be online storage10:33
AnMasterat that bug link10:33
AnMasterit should IMO go to the bug tracker of the project10:34
AnMasterand I set that up for the project yes10:34
killercowjvt, i got a page loaded,10:34
killercowlooks good10:34
jtvkillercow: once you've got that, iirc the rest of that translation file is usually going to be okay.10:35
jtvAnMaster: just a moment, I'll see if I can summon someone who knows about bugs.10:36
AnMasterhttps://launchpad.net/envbot/0.0.1/0.0.1-beta5/+adddownloadfile <-- hm, I want a link to download at sourceforge10:36
AnMasterjtv, sorry phone10:36
killercowjvt, seems to be working just fine?10:43
jtvkillercow: great!10:44
jtv(en mijn initialen horen in een andere volgorde :)10:44
BjornTAnMaster: yes, i agree that 'bug 21' should either link to the bug in the project's bug tracker, or not be linked at all. care to file a bug about it?10:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 21 in rosetta ""Display Settings:" "untranslated" shows translated entries" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/21 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)10:44
killercowoops, sorry, ik had jouw ook al getraced :P, maar engels is wel nuttig hier lijkt me.10:45
jtvkillercow: indeed.10:46
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ubotuNew bug: #151527 in launchpad "hide help panel when no help is available" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15152711:31
AnMasterBjornT, back11:31
AnMasterI guess I can11:32
AnMasterBjornT, filed11:35
AnMasterBjornT, btw, I guess you are from Scandinavia?11:35
danilosmdke: I answered your email11:36
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BjornTthanks AnMaster 11:36
BjornTAnMaster: yes, i'm from sweden11:36
AnMasterBjornT, Hej, in that case11:36
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BjornTAnMaster: hejsan :)11:36
AnMasterBjornT, anyway <AnMaster> https://launchpad.net/envbot/0.0.1/0.0.1-beta5/+adddownloadfile <-- hm, I want a link to download at sourceforge11:36
AnMasterit seems to only offer uploading?11:37
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AnMasterlinking to https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=206397&package_id=246872&release_id=546090 would be what I want11:37
pgquiles_mrevell: ping11:37
AnMasterBjornT, and why doesn't that become a link like the link to our bug tracker at: https://launchpad.net/envbot/0.0.1/0.0.1-beta5/11:38
AnMasteryour "find url" code may be broken?11:38
mrevellpgquiles_: hi11:39
ubotuNew bug: #151528 in launchpad "Enable uploads to post-release pockets in PPA" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15152811:40
BjornTAnMaster: right, you can only upload there. it might make sense making it possible to link to an external download location, but i'm not sure. i'm not that involved in that part of Launchpad. it'd be better to bring that up with bac or salgado, who should turn up in a few hours (they are in the US and Brazil).11:40
AnMasterBjornT, and what about link problem on https://launchpad.net/envbot/0.0.1/0.0.1-beta5/ ?11:40
AnMaster"http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=206397&package_id=246872&release_id=546090" is not transformed into a link11:41
AnMaster"http://envbot.org/trac" is11:42
pgquiles_mrevell: hi11:43
mrevellpgquiles_: Hey, hello.11:43
pgquiles_mrevell: are the PPAs working properly lately? Packages never build for me :-(11:43
mrevellpgquiles_: I'm not aware of a problem at the moment. Sorry packages aren't building for you. Let me ask a colleague.11:44
BjornTAnMaster: yes, that looks like a bug in our "find url" code. i don't know why that URL isn't being linkified.11:44
AnMasterBjornT, also, https://launchpad.net/envbot/0.0.1/+addpackage doesn't allow non-ubuntu packages?11:44
pgquiles_mrevell: they don't even show in the build records11:44
pgquiles_(as pending, I mean)11:44
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ubotuNew bug: #151533 in launchpad "Bug links in release notes for projects not using launchpad for bugtracker" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15153311:45
AnMasterBjornT, what about links to slackware packages, archlinux packages, rpms11:45
AnMasterthat but, is slow11:45
AnMasterI reported that bug several minutes ago11:45
AnMasterBjornT, or even maybe packages for freebsd (my primary OS)11:46
mrevellpgquiles_: There aren't any general problems at the moment. Could you remind me of your Launchpad user name? And also tell me the package name(s) and whether you've received any PPA emails for those packages11:47
BjornTAnMaster: well, the idea is that you can link to other distributions, the problem is that we don't have information about non-Ubuntu distributions yet.11:47
AnMasterBjornT, and non-linux too :)11:48
pgquiles_mrevell: my PPA username is pgquiles, package names are strigi and cmake and yes, I have received PPA e-mails confirming they were accepted11:48
BjornTAnMaster: the bot is slow, since it parses e-mail notifications, and they get sent only after 5 minutes (since we batch together multiple related changes into one notification)11:49
pgquiles_mrevell: but I did not receive any further e-mail, they do not build and they do not show as pending, rejected or built in the build records11:49
AnMaster<BjornT> AnMaster: yes, that looks like a bug in our "find url" code. i don't know why that URL isn't being linkified. <-- should I file a bug about it?11:49
BjornTAnMaster: yes, please do11:51
mrevellpgquiles_: thanks. I'll pass that info to cprov, who works on PPA. He'll be around later today.11:52
mrevellpopey: danilos is the man who can help, I think.11:53
pgquiles_mrevell: thanks to you and celso11:53
mrevellpgquiles_: No problem :)11:53
danilospopey: hi11:53
mrevellpopey: I haven't explained the problem yet.11:53
popeyshould I?11:53
danilospopey: please :)11:53
AnMasterBjornT, filed11:54
popeydanilos: we have some screencast videos that people have kindly transcribed the audio from.. they transcribe in English to a file format ".srt" (other formats are available) which is used by totem/vlc for displaying subtitles during the video11:54
BjornTAnMaster: ah. it looks like the "Description" gets URLs linkified, but not the "Summary". so the bug is not in our 'find URL' code, but rather how we render the summary.11:54
popeydanilos: other kind people have taken the .srt files and translated them - manually11:55
popeydanilos: I would like to use launchpad / rosetta for this to leverage the great translation community11:55
popeyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/TranslationStatus  <-- example files on that page11:55
danilospopey: right; at the moment, we don't have any PO conversion utility or srt files (and we'd need that)11:55
AnMasterBjornT, add that in a comment to https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/151537 then? :)11:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151537 in launchpad "Some links does not get linkified" [Undecided,New]  11:56
danilospopey: writing such a tool shouldn't be too hard11:56
popeywe need something that doesn't lose the time code information though11:56
BjornTAnMaster: yes, i'll add that.11:56
yeageri seriously need some vacation after the ubuntu language pack deadline11:57
danilospopey: right, maybe I can help with that, but not before next week (as a matter of fact, I have a .srt time shifter tool which shifts all the entries by a certain amount of time, so parsing this shouldn't be too big of a problem)11:58
danilospopey: how about you remind me of this sometime next week?11:58
popeydanilos: should I file a wishlist bug?11:58
danilospopey: well, I don't think we should implement it in translations directly, at least not yet11:59
popeywhat would the process be then? 11:59
popeyconvert srt to po, upload po, translate, download, po to srt again?11:59
danilospopey: and, doing it like that would take a lot more time (we've got to go through specification, approval, implementation and regression tests, testing, deployment :)11:59
danilospopey: right, that should work11:59
ubotuNew bug: #151537 in launchpad "Links don't get linkified in the summary of a project release" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15153712:00
popeyok, that would be better than we have now, thanks12:00
popeyI'll poke you next week12:00
popeythank you danilos 12:01
danilospopey: np, you are welcome12:01
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AnMasterargh, there should be some tool to update launchpad, sourceforge, freshmeat, own webpage and so on at new releases, so I didn't have to do it several times in different places.12:59
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agoliveiraHi folks. Yesterday, I tried PPA for the first time, I uploaded the sources but didn't get any builded nor any error. How can I verify what's wrong?02:37
lagaagoliveira: did you get an "accepted" email?02:37
agoliveiralaga: No.02:37
agoliveiraAnyway, a "non-accepted" email would be very usefull as well, specially if it tells you what went wrong :)02:39
lagaodd. you should have gotten an email. guess i'll leave that one to the pros, sorry02:39
lagamake sure your .dput.cf is correct and that uploaded to the correct PPA02:40
cprovagoliveira: let me check PPA side. When did you uploaded sources to PPA ?02:41
agoliveiracprov: Yesterday.02:42
agoliveiraI thought that would take overnight or something like that to have it build but looks like it didn't work :)02:42
agoliveiralaga: .dput.cf seems to be fine. Let's see what cprov tells me.02:43
cprovagoliveira: you could help me if you say the time (approximated is fine) yo uploaded the sources ...02:44
agoliveiracprov: Let me see if I can find that... one minute02:46
cprovagoliveira: anyway, I can't find any trace of your uploads in ppa.launchpad.net02:47
agoliveiracprov: About 10:30 am02:47
agoliveiracprov: odd...02:47
cprovagoliveira: BRT ?02:47
agoliveiracprov: Yep02:47
agoliveiraI'm quite sure that the upload went fine02:49
cprovagoliveira: ok, show me the log or upload it again.02:50
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agoliveiracprov: I didn't know there was a log. Where is it usually?02:52
agoliveiracprov: I tried to upload again and it tells me that it was uploaded already.02:53
lagause dput -f02:54
cprovagoliveira: dude are you uploading to dogfood ?02:54
agoliveiracprov: No. Should I?02:54
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cprovagoliveira: no02:55
agoliveiracprov: I'm uploading again right now (thanks laga)02:56
agoliveiracprov: Check it out http://paste.ubuntu.com/787/02:56
cprovagoliveira: you are uploading to upload.ubuntu.com02:58
agoliveiracprov: http://paste.ubuntu.com/788/02:58
agoliveiracprov: Forget the last one02:58
agoliveiracprov: I'm uploading to ppa.launchpad.net, the one here http://paste.ubuntu.com/787/ was a mistake02:59
cprovagoliveira: it will be processed in a minute03:00
agoliveiracprov: Do you know why yesterday's didn't work?03:00
Hobbseesoyuz hating the world, most likely03:00
agoliveiraHobbsee: Looks like you're specially cheerful today my dear :)03:01
lagacprov: do you know how i can create .ddebs when building using the ppa?03:01
cprovagoliveira: rejected, you should have an email 03:01
Hobbseeagoliveira: no, i just know a little too much about soyuz :)03:01
agoliveiracprov: Now I got the email, fine.03:02
Hobbseeagoliveira: and you didnt even read -motu03:02
cprovlaga: uhm, no I don't know precisely, but I think it won't be accepted if it was built.03:03
mptGoooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!03:03
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lagacprov: too bad. is it planned to add that ability to the PPA?03:04
cprovlaga: I mean, builders might be able to create it with the correct debian/rules magic.03:04
cprovlaga: we don't even do ddebs in ubuntu side, do we ?03:04
lagacprov: well, yes. therE's a special package which will do that for you, you can just build-depend on it (it wraps around dh_strip). i'm not sure if those would go to the ppa archive then?03:05
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lagacprov: pitti does them right now i think. users can enable his repository and get the debug symbols from there. it's probably planned to put them into the archives properly some time in the future. not sure.03:05
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cprovlaga: yes, it was discussed once but the infrastructure is not in soyuz yet, he maintains his own archive, if I'm not mistaken03:07
lagaho-hum. 03:07
lagaso if there's no infrastructure in soyuz there's no .ddebs for the PPAs i guess03:08
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lagacprov: thanks!03:09
ubotuNew bug: #151551 in ubuntu "launchpad should sugest the necessary logs to report a bug" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15155103:10
cprovlaga: I don't how urgent is that for distro-team, but once it is available for ubuntu primary archive it will certainly work for PPAs too. Talk to pitti about ideas and priorities.03:12
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Tonio_hi all03:15
Tonio_I was trying to change the redirection of my @ubuntu email address..... I couldn't see a way of setting my prefered email address. how to do so ?03:15
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HobbseeTonio_: add a preferred email address to your profile in LP?03:16
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Tonio_Hobbsee: my prefered email address for launchpad contacts is already my ubuntu one, I just want to change the address the @ubuntu.com emails should be forwarded to :)03:17
Tonio_Hobbsee: I didn't saw a way to set this03:18
HobbseeTonio_: you have to set the one you want it forwarded to as the preferred address, and it resyncs.03:18
HobbseeTonio_: (yes, it's a nuisance)03:18
Tonio_Hobbsee: so how can that work if the prefered one is the @ubuntu.com one ?03:19
Tonio_Hobbsee: should loop if my understanding is correct03:19
HobbseeTonio_: chagne the preferred one.03:19
HobbseeTonio_: yeah.  which is why it's a Really Bad Idea (tm) to have it as @ubuntu.com03:19
Hobbseeor @kubuntu.org03:19
Hobbseethey may have fixed it now, but they were having trouble with messed up mail, iirc03:20
sorenTonio_: I think it checks if the preferred is @ubuntu.com and then does something different.03:20
Tonio_soren: and then maybe selects the first email address in the list....... makes sense.03:21
Tonio_Hobbsee, soren: will test03:22
AnMasterhow often does launchpad actually mirror branches03:22
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AnMaster3 hours ago it said one hour, but it is still not mirrored03:22
AnMasteruptodate that is03:23
mwhudsonAnMaster: about every 6 hours03:25
AnMaster7 hours ago :/03:26
mwhudsonunfortunately the branch mirrorer script is rather simple minded and tends to get slowed down by mirroring branches on very slow hosts03:26
mwhudson(this will be fixed very soon)03:26
AnMastermwhudson, hm the host this is on isn't slow really03:26
AnMasterit is rather fast I would say03:27
mwhudsonAnMaster: no, but the mirrorer only mirrors one branch at a time03:27
AnMasterah I see03:27
mwhudsonso it's probably trying to mirror another slow branch right now03:27
AnMastermwhudson, so that is what happened now is it?03:27
mwhudsoni expect so, actually checking is a bit painful03:27
AnMastermwhudson, is there a bug for this problem?03:28
mwhudsonthough it's private for some reason03:29
AnMasteroh odd03:31
AnMasterI guess it could be abused to actively slow down launchpad03:31
AnMastermwhudson, anyway, when do you think this will get fixed?03:31
AnMastermwhudson, also just out of interest, will you ever add other version control systems to launchpad?03:32
mwhudsonit should be fixed in the next cycle, i.e. in about a fortnight03:33
AnMasterah nice03:34
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AnMasteralso I can't find ways to turn off blueprints, a bit odd as you can have bugs at some other place, why not blueprints too 03:34
AnMasteris there a reason for it?03:35
mwhudsonand it's possible that launchpad will provide for importing from more version control systems to launchpad hosted bazaar branches03:35
mwhudsoni doubt that launchpad will ever host branches of another vcs though03:35
mwhudsonAnMaster: no idea!03:35
AnMastermwhudson, what about importing mercurial?03:35
mwhudsonAnMaster: yes, that would be nice :)03:35
mwhudsonbzr-hg is sorta-kinda-working, i think03:36
mwhudsonit's not a priority right now03:36
AnMasterthough my tests show mercurial is faster than bzr though last I checked, but it miss some other features that I need03:36
mwhudsonhg is always likely to be a bit faster than bzr, it's less anal about some things03:37
AnMasterand network, you notice on 128 kbps up03:37
mwhudsonbut bzr is definitely fast enough for what i do with it03:37
AnMastersame except pushing can get a pain sometimes03:37
mwhudson(and packs will help the poor souls who have to push from australia)03:37
AnMasteruh what?03:38
AnMasterpacks? what is it03:38
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AnMasteroh and the dotted grey lines that separating the different areas on https://launchpad.net/envbot/03:38
AnMasterthey are wrong sometimes03:38
AnMasterlike double03:38
AnMasterbetween "Timeline" and Status:     * Active"03:38
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Hobbseemwhudson: we try to ssh out of aus as much as possible, for that very reason.03:40
AnMastermwhudson, ^03:40
mwhudsonAnMaster: seems like css fun, definitely not my department :)03:41
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lagaHobbsee: what's wrong with bzr in australia? i probably missed a joke here ;)03:42
AnMastermwhudson, so whos department is it?03:42
Hobbseelaga: it's more what's wrong with internet in australia03:42
AnMastermwhudson, and what is your department?03:43
AnMasteris there a list somewhere?03:43
Hobbseelaga: our "broadband" is mega-expensive compared to the rest of the world, has limits, even the 'unlimited' stuff, and is like other country's dialup.03:43
Hobbseelaga: particularly our uplinks03:43
mwhudsonHobbsee: it's the latency that people seem to complain most about03:44
Hobbseeso it takes an eternity to upload anything03:44
Hobbseemwhudson: yeah.  uplink is *very* slow.03:44
mwhudsonAnMaster: i work on the code hosting side of things03:44
lagaHobbsee: oh :/03:44
AnMastermwhudson, ah still no update of branch btw03:44
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Hobbseedownlink is OK, but uplink....56kbps is what we're supposed to get up.  maybe 128kbps.  i dont think we get anything near that03:44
AnMastermwhudson, I'm missing one thing from branch status: development mainline (not same as mature release mainline)03:46
AnMasterso putting mature for that is wrong03:47
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ubotuNew bug: #151583 in launchpad-bazaar "codeimportresult.date_started should be renamed to date_job_started" [Low,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15158303:50
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Hobbseeuh oh, it's sabdfl!  everyone behave!03:54
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sabdfloh BEHAVE ;-)03:55
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Hobbseesabdfl: :P03:59
SteveAWelcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting!03:59
SteveAFor the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be co-ordinating about Launchpad development.04:00
SteveAWho is here today?04:00
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schwukSteveA: abel is off sick today04:01
SteveA== Apologies ==04:01
SteveA * adeuring04:01
SteveA * bac04:01
SteveA * jamesh04:01
SteveA * kiko04:01
SteveA * ddaa04:01
SteveAhi everyone!04:02
SteveAmwhudson: you're acting as the envoy to the bzr-launchpad team?04:02
mwhudsonSteveA: sure am (it's only me today)04:02
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SteveAsinzui: here?04:03
SteveA== Agenda ==04:03
SteveA * Roll call04:03
SteveA * Agenda04:03
SteveA * Next meeting04:03
SteveA * Actions from last meeting04:03
SteveA * Oops report (Matsubara)04:03
SteveA * Critical Bugs (Rinchen)04:03
SteveA * Bug tags04:03
SteveA * Operations report (mthaddon)04:03
SteveA * DBA report (stub)04:03
SteveA * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)04:03
SteveA * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)04:03
SteveA (other items)04:03
SteveA * Blockers04:03
SteveAhi leonardr.  here?04:03
SteveA(traditional response is 'me'.  see irc log :-)  )04:04
SteveAnext meeting, same time next week.04:04
SteveAAnyone know they will be missing the meeting?04:04
flacosteleonardr, sinzui and me will be sprinting04:04
flacostebut we can probably make the meeting04:04
SteveAgreat.  or maybe just one of you can make it04:04
SteveA* Actions from last meeting04:04
SteveAno actions04:05
SteveA * Oops report (Matsubara)04:05
matsubaraToday's oops report is about bugs 148905, 15059104:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 148905 in malone "unexpectedformdata on clicking "1  bug fixed elsewhere" on gcc" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14890504:05
ubotuBug 150591 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/150591 is private04:05
matsubaraAnyone from the Bugs team want to volunteer for #148905?04:05
gmbmatsubara: I'll take it.04:06
matsubarasalgado: I think #150591 is for you :-)04:06
salgadolooking it up04:06
matsubarathanks gmb 04:06
SteveAmatsubara: bug 150591 can be made public04:06
ubotuBug 150591 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/150591 is private04:06
matsubaraSteveA: ok04:07
intellectronicamatsubara: i can take 148905, but not for this cycle anymore04:07
intellectronicamatsubara: well, unless i get an rc04:07
matsubaraintellectronica: thanks for the offer, gmb already took it.04:07
SteveAmatsubara: all done?04:08
matsubaraSteveA: done here. thanks04:08
SteveAthanks matsubara !04:08
SteveA * Critical Bugs (Rinchen)04:08
RinchenHi, two status requests for this week.04:08
Rinchendanilos, how are you coming along with Bug #148147 ?04:08
ubotuBug 148147 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/148147 is private04:08
Rinchencprov, how are you coming along with Bug #150988 ?04:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 150988 in soyuz "queue-builder failing due duplicated entries in the DB" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150988 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)04:08
danilosRinchen: it's in the review (it's a simple fix, but somehow missed it for a week)04:08
cprovRinchen: very hard to find out the duplications04:08
Rinchendanilos, great thank you04:09
Rinchencprov, anything anyone here can do to help?04:09
cprovRinchen:  and to isolate and the cruft related to it04:09
cprovRinchen: stub can help me 04:09
cprovRinchen: I'm sending him some results and questions.04:10
SteveAdanilos: do you have a reviewer?04:10
SteveAdanilos: it's a critical bug, so we need to push it through04:10
danilosSteveA: not yet04:10
Rinchencprov, Great, thanks.  If there is anything I can do to help out, please let me know.  04:10
danilosSteveA: I actually haven't noticed that Carlos upped the priority04:10
cprovRinchen: sure, thanks04:10
danilosSteveA: so, I'll find one today04:10
Rinchendanilos, that'd be great04:11
RinchenSteveA, that's it here.04:11
carlosdanilos: I did given the number of poimport failures we got due to that problem04:11
SteveAdanilos: which branch is it?04:11
SteveAcarlos: did you note that in the status whiteboard when you upped the importance?04:11
carlosSteveA: yes04:11
danilosSteveA: devpad.canonical.com/code/danilo/launchpad/trivial (not in PendingReviews yet, though I have it ready)04:11
danilos(I mean, I have PendingReviews open and editting)04:12
SteveAdanilos: how many loc diff?04:12
danilosSteveA: just 6104:12
SteveAwho can review a 61 line diff immediately after this meeting?04:12
BjornTSteveA, danilos: i can do it04:13
danilosBjornT: cool, thanks04:13
SteveAthanks BjornT 04:13
SteveAthanks Rinchen 04:13
danilosSteveA: thanks04:13
SteveA * Bug tags04:13
SteveAone new official bug tag proposed04:13
SteveAflacoste proposes 'people' for Bugs related to the management of Persons and Teams. This would include registration bugs, but exclude bugs related to login and password recovery.04:14
flacosteafter discussion with matsubara04:14
matsubaraisn't that registry?04:14
matsubaraah ok. flacoste go ahead04:14
SteveAI'm going by what's on the TaggingLaunchpadBugs page04:14
flacosteright, i'm at fault here, i forgot to update the page with the results of our discussion04:15
flacostei would rather extend the scope of the 'registry' tag to cover these items04:15
SteveAok, so, that proposal is withdrawn04:15
SteveAsure, go ahead04:15
ubotuNew bug: #150591 in launchpad "Local variable referenced before assignment in logintoken GPG key validation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15059104:15
SteveA * Operations report (mthaddon)04:16
mthaddonNot much to report this week. Mostly working on cricket graphs and codehosting staging setup (will be working on that today and tomorrow, in any case).04:16
mthaddonI see there's an approved cherry pick for drescher which I'll be rolling out today.04:16
mthaddonThat's it from me unless there are any questions.04:16
flacosteSteveA: go ahead in extending the scope or making a new proposal about that extension?04:16
RinchenGreat news on the CPU upgrade to PQM, mthaddon 04:16
SteveAmthaddon: we'll also have danilo's patch to consider, once bjorn has reviewed it.04:16
SteveAflacoste: go ahead and extend the scope04:16
mthaddonSteveA, ok, will wait for that before I go ahead with the current one04:17
SteveAflacoste: by updating the wiki page04:17
mthaddonRinchen, absolutely04:17
SteveAthanks mthaddon 04:17
SteveA * DBA report (stub)04:17
stubMost of our unwanted sessions have been removed, but the script is04:18
stubstill running. One the script has finished running, I'll put in place04:18
stuba job to trim the unwanted sessions every few minutes rather than leaving04:18
stubthem around for 60 days for the Launchpad session machinery to clean up.04:18
stubThere is a meeting on Monday discussing database replication. I think we04:18
stubcan finalize our roadmap then. To make full use of the replicas, we are04:18
stubgoing to need to push Storm work forward as its multiple db stores seems04:18
stubwell suited to the task. Timeframe for this will dictate what we do now04:18
stubwith our existing code infrastructure and what we put off.04:18
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SteveAok, thanks stub04:18
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stubOh... and db patch reviews with Mark went well today.04:18
SteveA * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)04:19
RinchenHi! Is anyone blocked on an RT or have any that are becoming urgent? 04:19
flacostei have04:19
Rinchennumber please04:19
flacostethe one about being able to test incoming email on staging04:19
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flacosteRinchen: sorry, i don't have the numebr04:19
Rinchenok, I know about that one :-)04:19
flacostei didn't file that request04:19
flacostebut i have a branch that will require this if it has to land this cycle04:20
Rinchenyeah, kiko did. I was looking at that yesterday in fact.  I'll work on that again this morning.04:20
flacoste(process-mail.py running as a dedicated dbuser)04:20
Rinchenflacoste, got it. Thanks.04:20
jtvResolving #28968 would save us some pain (see last week).04:20
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Rinchenjtv, thanks. I've already set that as high priority but I'll circle with IS to see if we can get it done 04:21
RinchenAnyone else?04:21
Rinchenk, Thanks.   Back to you SteveA 04:21
SteveAthanks Rinchen!04:21
SteveA * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)04:21
mrevellThis week's user-affecting issue comes from AnMaster and is regarding Launchpad's connection with Ubuntu. AnMaster wants to use Launchpad but has no plans to use Ubuntu or become part of the Ubuntu community.04:22
SteveAhi AnMaster 04:22
mrevellRight now, Launchpad profile pages have references to whether or not someone is an Ubuntero and a link to a page on the Ubuntu wiki is compulsory.04:22
mrevellI raise this in today's meeting because as more free software projects join Launchpad, I wonder if we should discuss the best way to present Ubuntu-specific information on user profile pages.04:22
mrevellThanks SteveA04:22
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SteveAI thought we'd changed 'ubuntero' to appear only when people have that affiliation04:22
SteveAI guess not04:22
flacostewe also have a bunch of bugs open about the wiki-stuff04:23
SteveAI think we should allow people to take pride in their contributions and affiliation to Ubuntu04:23
SteveAbut also not make a point of it if someone chooses not to make such contributions, and wants to put their efforts elsewhere04:23
danilosSteveA: it's also a problem of discoverability04:24
SteveAdanilos: how do you mean?04:24
danilosi.e. we want people to know that they can become "ubuntero" which is probably a reason why we keep it04:24
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SteveAdanilos: that's something we should offer an individual04:25
SteveAdanilos: but it is wrong to advertise to everyone that someone is not an ubuntero04:25
mrevellWould it be worthwhile asking some of the projects using LP if they have there own codes of conduct that they would like to invite their community members to sign?04:25
SteveAlike it is some kind of problem04:25
danilosSteveA: I understand that, and I agree04:25
SteveAmrevell: perhaps.  let's discuss that when we next talk.04:25
mrevellSteveA: Okay.04:26
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mptDoes "we" mean SteveA and mrevell, or our next meeting?04:26
SteveAmrevell: I'd like you to file a bug about "ubuntero" appearing under the following circumstances04:26
SteveA - appearing to all launchpad users, on a person's page, if that person is an ubuntero04:26
SteveA - appearing to that user only in some form on that user's own page, if that person is not an ubuntero04:27
SteveAalso, the 'ubuntero' text on the page should be linked to an explanation somehow.04:27
clemyeatsHi, I'd like to add a distribution to launchpad... are there any admin here, or shall I contact someone by email?04:27
mrevellSteveA: Will do.04:27
SteveAmpt: stevea and mrevell 04:28
matsubaramrevell: fyi, 4855104:28
matsubaraerr bug 4855104:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 48551 in launchpad "Support for custom forms" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4855104:28
SteveARinchen: let's look again at the priority of the wiki bugs that flacoste mentioned.04:28
mrevellthanks matsubara04:28
SteveARinchen: (not right now, but soon)04:28
flacosteclemyeats: i think you can file a request on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion04:28
clemyeatsflacoste: thanks04:29
flacosteclemyeats: it's the Launchpad public meeting ongoing04:29
SteveAAnMaster: if you're here, we'll make some changes to the 'ubuntero' flag, and look at the bugs about wiki registrations.04:29
SteveAthanks mrevell !04:29
mrevellthanks SteveA04:29
SteveA * Blockers04:30
SteveASC Team: not blocked.04:30
RinchenReleases Team: Not Blocked04:30
jtvTranslations team: Not blocked.04:30
bigjoolsTeam Soyuz: Not blocked04:30
BjornTBugs Team: not blocked04:30
statikcollaborative commerce: not blocked04:30
flacosteFoundations Team: not blocked04:30
schwukhwdb: Not blocked04:30
mwhudsoncode team: not blocked04:30
SteveAyay for no blocking04:31
SteveARinchen: we have a few minutes left.  Do you have anything to say about our point in the development cycle?04:31
flacosteRinchen: bad one, actually, it's bug 8625304:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 86253 in launchpad "Registration in LP should not automatically create an Ubuntu WikiName" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86253 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)04:31
RinchenSimply that code is due on the review queue on Friday.04:31
SteveAok, thanks Rinchen 04:32
SteveAany other pressing issues?04:32
mwhudsondidn't flacoste have an item?04:32
SteveAThank you everyone!04:32
SteveAmwhudson: he did.  we discussed it, and it'll appear in a later meeting.04:32
mwhudsonah, ok04:33
flacostemwhudson: after discussion with SteveA, we thought it was better to simply carry the discussion on-list at first04:33
popeycan I ask a technical launchpad question? :)04:35
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popeyI note that sites like wiki.ubuntu.com uses the authentication from launchpad.. is it possible for other sites to do the same?04:35
popeye.g. I would like it if people could leave comments to screencasts on screencasts.ubuntu.com (a drupal site) but would rather people didn't have to sign up with yet another site04:35
popeyIs this a launchpad question?04:36
flacosteRinchen: ^^^04:36
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RinchenHi popey, we plan to offer that later this year.  Let me dig out the bug number for you to follow. 04:38
Rinchenpopey, Bug #116904:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 1169 in launchpad "Launchpad should support OpenID" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1169 - Assigned to Joey Stanford (rinchen)04:38
Rinchenpopey, however there are some points I should make.04:39
Rinchenpopey, well, just one.  External sites will be able to use Launchpad as an OpenID OP allowing them to signin.04:40
Rinchenpopey, our wiki's will be more tightly integrated.04:40
Rinchenpopey, just like they are today04:40
popeyis there any reason that the site I suggested could _not_ be tightly integrated?04:40
popey(it's hosted by canonical)04:41
Rinchenif we host it, we might be able to depending on the site and the software.04:42
Rinchenif screencasts is drupal and it's up...then I missed it upon writeup04:42
popeyok, I'll bring that up again once 1169 moves on shall I?04:42
RinchenI'll chat with newz. If he's your webmaster we should be able to include it.04:43
popeycool beans, thanks04:43
AnMasterSteveA, now I'm here04:48
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AnMasterhttps://code.launchpad.net/~anmaster/envbot/anmaster-trunk still hasn't updated04:50
AnMastersomeone really need to take a look at why04:50
AnMasterabort to slow servers until you fixed this correctly maybe?04:50
AnMastermwhudson, ^04:50
AnMasteroh wait it was mrevell maybe?04:50
AnMastersorry for wrong highlight04:51
mwhudsonAnMaster: there's not really much i can do04:51
mrevellDon't think it was me AnMaster04:51
AnMasterah your nicks are too close confusing04:51
mwhudsoni restarted the branch mirrorer, it seems like it may have gotten stuch04:51
AnMasterclose, confusing*04:51
mwhudsonit's definitely making progress now though04:51
AnMastermwhudson, skip the stuck project?04:52
mwhudsonAnMaster: could you please stop making suggestions about things you know little about?04:52
AnMasterok :)04:52
AnMasterI would know more if it was open source ;) *runs*04:53
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Kmoswhen packages of hoary, breezy will be removed from LP ? it was announced at LP ML, but not mentioned a date I think..05:20
MTecknologyok, it's just an option right there05:23
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LaserJockoh dang, I missed the last user meeting didn't I? :/06:23
HobbseeLaserJock: i think we both did.06:25
Hobbseeoh, 1400 is only midnight local now.  wow06:25
Hobbsee(darn timezoen changes)06:25
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LaserJock7am for me06:32
LaserJockbarely doable ;-)06:32
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=== AnMaster notes that bug 151533 affects more than mentioned in initial description
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151533 in launchpad "Bug links in release notes for projects not using launchpad for bugtracker" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15153306:39
AnMasterso someone that can change subject may want to do that06:39
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danigmhi all, i have a question, can i register my project in launchpad like sourceforge?08:05
statikdanigm: absolutely08:06
statikwelcome home08:06
danigmah, ok, thanks. And why it's better bzr that svn? I'm learning bzr now08:08
statikdanigm: the main difference is that bzr is more suited to community development, you don't have the distinction between committers and non-committers. rather, anyone can make their own branch and commit to it08:17
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sabdfldanigm: and launchpad provides free hosting for all the branches of all contributors, you can see who is working on what08:58
sabdflor you can host all the branches on your own web server08:59
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danigmbut launchpad isn't free software09:00
ubotuNew bug: #151658 in malone "Private comments for public bugs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15165809:01
danigmI'll use launchpad, I want to try bazaar and launchpad looks very nice09:02
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danigmI register a new branch in launchpad, but i can't push my project, i don't have a ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub or ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub, how can i generated it?09:23
radixdanigm: ssh-keygen09:23
danigmthanks radhios 09:24
danigmthanks radix 09:24
danigmsorry radhios, the tab key...09:24
radixit's too bad that help.launchpad.net doesn't have a match for a search of "ssh key"09:25
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ubotuNew bug: #151682 in launchpad "Add attachment capability to Answers" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15168210:31
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ubotuNew bug: #151687 in launchpad "Add HTML / formatting capability (including inline graphics) to Answers" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15168710:40
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CyberMattcan somebody approve me into the launchpad beta team10:44
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tavlahi -- is there anything blocking the PO import queues?10:51
tavlai've got 23 po files waiting for import for almost a week now10:52
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Kmostavla: ask on launchpad-users mailing list, or try to contact carlos tomorrow11:01
KmosCyberMatt: you've to wait for tomorrow11:01
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jkimball4Is there an easy way to search through packages of a project?  That is, to bring up a certain package to review version history?11:02
Kmosjkimball4: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/$PACKAGENAME ?11:03
jkimball4That works, but there's no built-in function to do a name-based search of sort?11:04
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jkimball4Per se, one would like to bring up all packages which conform to "compiz*"...11:04
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Kmosjkimball4: you can do it with apt-cache11:05
Kmosapt-cache search compiz*11:05
Kmoson console11:06
jkimball4Yes, but I'd still have to search in Launchpad for version history, though.  I'm interesting in a sort of complete solution.11:06
Kmosi don't know that11:07
jkimball4Fair enough.  Perhaps, no one important really needs that functionality.11:08
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jpatrickcould someone from here add me to launchpad-beta-testers?11:30
jpatrickI need to upload a package fix to the kubuntu-members ppa11:30
stdincan't you upload already?11:34
jpatrickI got a package rejected mail saying I needed to be in that group11:35
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CyberMatti have that problem11:40
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pkernHi, is there any particular reason why e.g. https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnucash/+rdf does not offer LP ids for the FOAF entries?11:54
pkerni.e. there is no foaf:nick11:55
pkernsiretart: Now this effectively blocks me from continuing. Missing foaf:nick just sucks.12:04
pkernsiretart: I don't want to resort parsing the homepage and I won't.12:04
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ubotuNew bug: #151740 in launchpad "+editemails has radio buttons without a default value" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15174012:15
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imbrandonjamesh: ping12:35
imbrandonany work on this bug ( a few months old, esp the faof:nick part ) https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/10007912:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 100079 in launchpad "more rdf team info" [Undecided,New]  12:36
jameshimbrandon: I don't think anyone is currently working on it, sorry.12:41
imbrandonnp, anything i can do to help it along , hell i'd even code it if i could ;)12:42
pkernjamesh: Isn't the foaf:nick one trivial?12:49

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