[01:23] <Outlander> hi, im using gutsy, how do i set my window manager? xfce4 is loading for some reason, i have compiz so want that to be default
[01:23] <ratpoison> bastid_raZor: can't help then, sry
[01:23] <^Ocean^> ratpoison, if i run emerald-theme-manager, there is only Untitled Theme for my options. ..
[01:23] <ratpoison> well, try alt+f2 emerald --replace
[01:23] <ratpoison> does it work?
[01:23] <^Ocean^> No chaneg
[01:24] <bastid_raZor> ratpoison: by it not installing that .. does that mean i am doomed to do a fresh install from the iso
[01:24] <Outlander> what config file would store the preferred wm?
[01:24] <jburris> anyone know if there is a thread on getting visual effects working with ATI cards?
[01:24] <ratpoison> bastid_raZor: don't know, can't help! I only said that because I know that you can't have both packages
[01:24] <ratpoison> and I thought maybe you had it
[01:25] <bastid_raZor> oh, okay. :)
[01:26] <^Ocean^> is there a package for the emerald themes ?
[01:26] <bastid_raZor> i'm not wanting to do a fresh install but if all else fails i don't have much of a choice
[01:26] <ximal> w00t
[01:26] <ximal> i'm back on top ! woot !
[01:27] <ximal> sup vuen !
[01:27] <ratpoison> bastid_raZor: try sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[01:27] <ximal> hmm
[01:27] <ximal> what's wrong raZor ?
[01:27] <ratpoison> or sudo apt-get install --fix-missing
[01:28] <Vuen> hey guys. compiz does this really irritating thing where it automatically gives focus to a window whenever i hover the mouse over it. how do i get rid of that?
[01:28] <ximal> special effects settings
[01:28] <ximal> try that vuen ;)
[01:28] <bastid_raZor> ratpoison: similiar errors..
[01:29] <bastid_raZor> ratpoison: i probably should have tried aptitude before doing the apt-get way..
[01:29] <zerwas> Is it still possible to have a package bugfix update integrated into Gutsy until this point?
[01:29] <ximal> bastid_raZor : what's the issue ?
[01:29] <ratpoison>  man dpkg-reconfigure and work your way through there
[01:30] <bastid_raZor> ximal: E: tzdata: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
[01:30] <bastid_raZor> ximal: E: util-linux: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[01:30] <ximal> do this
[01:30] <ximal>  sudo apt-get install update
[01:30] <ximal> try it..
[01:30] <ximal> see if it will force it to check some of the broken items your having trouble with
[01:30] <bastid_raZor> coudln't finde package update..
[01:31] <Vuen> yeah, that's not correct ximal
[01:31] <ximal> it said that ?
[01:31] <bastid_raZor> should i have install in there?
[01:31] <ratpoison> omit install I guess
[01:31] <Vuen> bastid_raZor: doesn't matter, apt-get update won't do a thing
[01:31] <ximal> hmm
[01:31] <ximal> it should ?
[01:31] <ratpoison> but it's the same as aptitude safe-upgrade
[01:31] <^Ocean^> okay, compiz starts just fine, but there are no window Deccorations,   ( Border around my windows, titlebar,  Min/Max/Close Buttons )
[01:31] <ratpoison> ximal: I've had broken dependency issues and nothing seemed to work
[01:32] <bastid_raZor> Vuen: i agree, i get errors when trying to do any aptitude or apt-get or synaptic.. now
[01:32] <Vuen> ^Ocean^: gnome or kde?
[01:32] <dn> anyone using numlockx with gutsy?
[01:32] <ximal> hmm
[01:32] <^Ocean^> Vuen, Gnome
[01:32] <ximal> what version you guys running ?
[01:32] <ximal> gutsy -14 ?
[01:32] <tanath> what's the best way to scan a page into a new text/word document? preferrably with formatting intact
[01:32] <ratpoison> ^Ocean^: try alt+f2 gtk-window-decorator --replace
[01:32] <ratpoison> if emerald --replace didn't work
[01:32] <ratpoison> otherwise
[01:32] <bastid_raZor> ximal: i did gksu apt-get update-manager -c -d ..
[01:32] <ratpoison>  !compiz > ^Ocean^
[01:32] <bastid_raZor> and now i'm where i'm at.. broken like a bm
[01:33] <bastid_raZor> bum.. rather
[01:33] <^Ocean^> hmm,  Ran that,  and it just hangs, ( Ran it in a terminal
[01:33] <tanath> i don't see a way to do it from openoffice
[01:33] <tanath> anyone know?
[01:33] <sayers> Uhm did this update just break a ton of things?
[01:33] <^Ocean^> Also, another note,  When I run a gnome-terminal, the window Opens, but its All white,  cant read any text or anything
[01:33] <Vuen> ^Ocean^: sounds like your xorg.conf is missing ARGBVisuals. pastebin it
[01:33] <ximal> try doing a fresh reinstalll m8 if u r having issues.. redownload and burn the image at 1x
[01:33] <ximal> might help bastid :
[01:34] <bastid_raZor> i have the cd iso of 7.10 .. was just trying to avoid a fresh install
[01:34] <ximal> well
[01:34] <ximal> they did a kernel update recently and some other package updates
[01:34] <bastid_raZor> heh, i worked hard on tweakings
[01:34] <ximal> i did a fresh install of the -12 kernel am64 bit and then immediately used updater to get everything working
[01:35] <ximal> me too.. but the more you work on them the easier they come to you
[01:35] <bastid_raZor> i agree.. thanks. i'll do the fresh install and wave bye bye to all my pretty settings
[01:35] <^Ocean^> Vuen, http://pastebin.com/m352d544
[01:35] <bastid_raZor> thanks for the kick while i was down.. my back now aches
[01:35] <ximal> hey
[01:36] <ximal> bastid
[01:36] <bastid_raZor> heh
[01:36] <bastid_raZor> yeah?
[01:36] <ximal> when you get back .. come in here and stuff... tomorrow morning i'll be on
[01:36] <ximal> i'll share my tweaks with you that savvas and other devs have helped me with
[01:36] <Vuen> ^Ocean^: yep. at the bottom of Section "Screen" add this:        Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[01:36] <ximal> get you all the codecs etc
[01:36] <ximal> ok ?
[01:36] <bastid_raZor> okay, it'll be around 7am EST
[01:36] <Vuen> ^Ocean^: then save all your work, ctrl+alt+backspace and try again
[01:37] <bastid_raZor> ximal awesome. thanks. i'll be sure to look for you then.
[01:37] <Vuen> bastid_raZor: you definitely shouldn't need to fresh install...
[01:37] <Vuen> bastid_raZor: if an upgrade is broken you could file a bug report.
[01:37] <^Ocean^>        Modes      "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[01:37] <^Ocean^>     EndSubSection
[01:37] <^Ocean^> Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[01:37] <^Ocean^> EndSection
[01:37] <^Ocean^> like that ?
[01:37] <Vuen> yep
[01:37] <ximal> ok m8
[01:37] <timUR> hi
[01:37] <^Ocean^> okay gonna give it a shot
[01:37] <ximal> i can't help with much but i'll pass what i get done and can pass on ;)
[01:38] <timUR> How do i enable Nvidia Legacy acceleration ????
[01:38] <ximal> go to system
[01:38] <Vuen> bastid_raZor: also, you shouldn't need to re-tweak anything, just don't wipe your home partition
[01:38] <Vuen> bastid_raZor: you can keep all your settings if you keep home
[01:38] <ximal> system > administration/ resitricted drivers
[01:38] <ximal> for nvidia
[01:38] <bastid_raZor> Vuen: home won't be touched.. plus i have moved several scripts that i use ..
[01:39] <ximal> yeah m8..
[01:39] <ximal> you can always re-import
[01:39] <ximal> ;)
[01:39] <^Ocean^> Vuen, hmm, okay didnt seem too make any differance..
[01:39] <bastid_raZor> children need fatherly influences.. thanks will be around in the a.m.
 ^Ocean^: try alt+f2 gtk-window-decorator --replace
[01:40] <Vuen> do that again
[01:40] <^Ocean^> Vuen, I ran it in a terminal,  it runs ,  but nothing
[01:40] <ximal> u gonna freak him out m8
[01:40] <^Ocean^> uss@Aqualung:~$ gtk-window-decorator --replace
[01:40] <ximal> making him switch to text mode
[01:40] <ximal> lol
[01:40] <^Ocean^> and thats it, just hangs there i guess..
[01:40] <Vuen> ^Ocean^: you sure you restarted X?
[01:40] <ximal> heh
[01:40] <^Ocean^> well i did ctrl+alt+backspace and re-logged in..
[01:41] <Vuen> ah. that would do it.
[01:41] <Vuen> hmm...
[01:41] <Vuen> try asking in #compiz-fusion
[01:41] <ximal> going full mode guys to watch me movie.. yall have a good one ;)
[01:43] <Stevethepirate> Hi. Get a "Failed to fetch http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/pub/linux/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch"
[01:43] <Stevethepirate> when trying to update to gutsy
[01:44] <Stevethepirate> also get a dbus error when running gksu update-manager -c -d
[01:44] <Stevethepirate> but followed online guide on "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades" and still get problems..
[01:44] <Stevethepirate> anyone help me?
[01:45] <magicrobotmonkey> im gonna install gutsy on a mac mini with rEFIt and feisty, anyone know how to do that without grub replacing rEFIt?
[01:49] <moonlite> Does 7.10 use noatime by default?
[01:54] <moonlite> second time i manage to part while writing a message. Pressing ctrl+w isn't the same as ctrl+e :/
[01:55] <Stevethepirate> Hi. Get a "Failed to fetch http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/pub/linux/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch"
[01:55] <Stevethepirate> also get a dbus error when running gksu update-manager -c -d
[01:55] <Stevethepirate> but followed online guide on "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades" and still get problems..
[01:55] <Stevethepirate> any help?
[01:56] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: 3rd part link?
[01:57] <MTecknology> how do I get my mic to work?
[01:57] <Stevethepirate> scizzo-: sorry what?
[01:57] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: is it a 3rd party link?
[01:58] <Stevethepirate> the updating?
[01:58] <Stevethepirate> *updating server?
[01:58] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: the link
[01:58] <AmyRose> Do you guys like breaking support for Ralink USB wifi dongles every release?
[01:58] <Stevethepirate> -which- link
[01:58] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/pub/linux/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/
[01:58] <Stevethepirate> oh.
[01:58] <Stevethepirate> its a local mirror
[01:58] <Stevethepirate> [i get 10meg/sec off it] 
[01:59] <Stevethepirate> scizzo-: ....
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> has anyone else had problems with their atheros wireless with recent updates?
[01:59] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: well it might not be updated...
[01:59] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: No
[01:59] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: I would suggest you try again in a bit
[01:59] <AmyRose> I'm just having problems with my Ralink wireless!
[02:00] <Stevethepirate> scizzo-: i can try another mirror..
[02:00] <AmyRose> but my laptop (with Atheros) is working great
[02:00] <Stevethepirate> how large is all the updates?
[02:00] <Stevethepirate> +/-
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: huh... my atheros driver is giving errors on modprobe..
[02:00] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: I don't even have to modprobe it because HAL detects it automagically
[02:01] <Stevethepirate> scizzo-: .. /ping
[02:01] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: what?
[02:01] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: I am not sure how much it is
[02:01] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: a lot...I guess
[02:01] <Stevethepirate> like.
[02:01] <Stevethepirate> > 300 megs?
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: well neither did I, on back in all the alphas, it was automagically detected, but recently, it stopped being so, so I tried modprobing and got some erros
[02:02] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: yes
[02:02] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[02:02] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: maybe
[02:02] <Stevethepirate> then it will phail for me..
[02:02] <Stevethepirate> capped internet ftl.
[02:02] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: What sort of errors?
[02:02] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: jesus...run apt-get -u dist-upgrade and see....I am not sure...
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: [  435.178399]  ath_pci: Unknown symbol _ath_hal_attach
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> and tons more like that, but with different symbols
[02:03] <AmyRose> wow
[02:03] <Stevethepirate> do not use teh lords name in vain
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> (thats from dmesg
[02:03] <Stevethepirate> :P
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> +1 Stevethepirate
[02:03] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: Have you made sure you're using the latest restricted modules?
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: yalp.
[02:03] <Stevethepirate> luls
[02:03] <Stevethepirate> i'm atheist :P
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: just a sec... let me try a reboot real fast.
[02:04] <Stevethepirate> is there a way to ignore md5 checksums?
[02:06] <Stevethepirate> jesus
[02:06] <Stevethepirate> christ
[02:06] <Stevethepirate> superstar
[02:08] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: How did it work?
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: no modprobe errors... automatically loads the modules.
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> but still no wireless.
[02:09] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: How are you getting on the Internet then?
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> wired
[02:10] <AmyRose> Oh
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> I have been violated!! ;)
[02:11] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: I thought this channel was for GNOME lovers =P
[02:11] <AmyRose> (I'm kidding, of course)
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: XD
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> there is a HIGH percentage of kubuntu users here..
[02:12] <Stevethepirate> ubuntu > *
[02:12] <AmyRose> ok, I better stop now
[02:13] <AmyRose> Stevethepirate: Yeah, wait for it to finish!
[02:13] <AmyRose> :P
[02:14] <Stevethepirate> okay
[02:14] <Stevethepirate> update manager rates it can download all the files now
[02:14] <Stevethepirate> wish me luck
[02:14] <Stevethepirate> i may never return here :P
[02:14] <Stevethepirate> luls
[02:14] <buntunu1> localhost on?
[02:15] <AmyRose> I do want to ask about why most things seem to only be fixed if GNOME users see the problem too
[02:15] <AmyRose> >.>
[02:15] <macogw> hi amy
[02:16] <scizzo-> AmyRose: then why not use XFCE which is smaller and also has loads of stuff in it?
[02:16] <AmyRose> I've reported a handful of things on the bug tracker (and subscribed to many more) and the only ones that got any attention from the devs seem to be related to GNOME
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: yeah... well GNOME is sadly where the focus is.
[02:16] <AmyRose> scizzo-: What does that have to do with anything?
[02:17] <scizzo-> AmyRose: well you said KDE was more interesting then GNOME
[02:17] <scizzo-> AmyRose: just making a statement that it might depend a bit on the choice of the person...
[02:17] <scizzo-> AmyRose: some even just use TWM
[02:18] <AmyRose> scizzo-: That has nothing to do with the bug tracker.
[02:18] <macogw> i like E17
[02:18] <macogw> no NM-applet though :(
[02:18] <macogw> that's my wm when there's no wifi around
[02:18] <|neon|> question when going into yahoo games firefox freezes  now opera works fine java is installed any suggestions
[02:19] <AmyRose> It would make things easier when X won't start
[02:19] <AmyRose> |neon|: Use Opera!
[02:19] <AmyRose> :D
[02:19] <macogw> fluxbox is also fun
[02:19] <macogw> AmyRose: but that's little-f "free"
[02:19] <|neon|> i like ff better
[02:19] <AmyRose> |neon|: Have you tried Konqueror?
[02:20] <macogw> if you dont like kde you wont like konqueror
[02:20] <AmyRose> macogw: But Java isn't Free Software yet either
[02:20] <macogw> true
[02:20] <|neon|> AmyRose: yahoo tells me to update to a more recent browser
[02:20] <macogw> haha
[02:21] <AmyRose> |neon|: Like IE6? :P
[02:21] <|neon|> :)
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> IE7..
[02:21] <AmyRose> If IE6 is their idea of a recent browser, they're dumb
[02:21] <macogw> |neon|: yahoo told me to update my firefox to firefox 2 when i tried to login to my email with firefox 3
[02:21] <|neon|> i like firefox the best tho i could use opera to play yahoo games
[02:21] <AmyRose> |neon|: Seriously, though, try going to about:plugins and seeing which Java plug-ins are installed. If it's not using the
[02:21] <AmyRose> Sun plug-in, that's the problem
[02:22] <|neon|> AmyRose: will try that thx
[02:22] <AmyRose> |neon|: ywm
[02:22] <AmyRose> macogw: |neon| is using KVirc, which is why I asked about Konqueror =3
[02:22] <macogw> oh did you ctcp him?
[02:22] <AmyRose> yeah
[02:23] <macogw> er...i think thats how--ok that answers that
[02:23] <macogw> how do you do a ctcp? like this?
[02:23] <AmyRose> If they're using a KDE/Qt IRC client, I suggest KDE versions
[02:23] <AmyRose> macogw: Yeah, like that
[02:23] <macogw> ah the bot explains when you screw up
[02:24] <macogw> ctcp userinfo on you didnt do anything
[02:24] <AmyRose> macogw: Yeah, I know. Konversation doesn't reply to them
[02:24] <macogw> oh ok
[02:24] <macogw> whats userinfo usually tell you?
[02:25] <AmyRose> macogw: Nothing, actually.
[02:25] <macogw> oh
[02:25] <macogw> well then that's a silly thing to list as "common messages"
[02:25] <AmyRose> macogw: I can CTCP-VERSION people by right-clicking on their name in the chat window and clicking Version
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: heh.. thats what I was trying to do ;)
[02:27] <AmyRose> Konversation > *
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> :)
[02:29] <RoC_MasterMind> What day of the week does 7.10 release?
[02:29] <macogw> thursday
[02:29] <macogw> RoC_MasterMind:  ^
[02:32] <RoC_MasterMind> I saw.
[02:32] <RoC_MasterMind> thanks
[02:33] <mrj> What package is the GL desktop a part of
[02:33] <mrj> Does it come with kubuntu desktop?
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> compiz?
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> mrj: no.
[02:33] <mrj> Its a part of compiz?
[02:33] <Dr_willis> kubuntu does not include the compiz stuff
[02:33] <mrj> I didnt see it until I installed kubuntu desktop
[02:34] <mrj> weird
[02:34] <sow1> where do you file a bug report?  I'm running gutsy and having issues setting up dual monitor extended support with ati 9700 card
[02:34] <mrj> maybe it was an update
[02:34] <Dr_willis> ubuntu does include compiz
[02:34] <mrj> i know
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> KAmyRose: went patriotic?
[02:34] <mrj> I didnt know GL desktop was a part of compiz
[02:34] <bazhang> Don't know if anyone else has experienced this but after latest updates in Gutsy (full up to date now) K3b and Konversation refuse to work with Compiz-Fusion in Kubuntu Gutsy, and I will certainly mention this in #compiz-fusion as well, just wondering if this only my issue, or if others had the same problem. Or GNOME users, for that matter. Cheers!
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> mrj: do you mean XGL?
[02:34] <Dr_willis> Not sure what 'gl desktop' even is...
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: not that they would be using those apps ;)
[02:34] <mrj> no, under system>prefs i have a "GL Desktop" icon now
[02:35] <mrj> with a foot
[02:35] <mrj> a gnome foot
[02:35] <Dr_willis> Thats the old preferance icon name for the compiz stuff
[02:35] <Dr_willis> I think. :)
[02:35] <macogw> Dr_willis: "GL Desktop" is the menu's name for the old GNOME Compiz Config
[02:35] <mrj> My desktop is really annoying to use right now and I cant get it customized
[02:35] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: haha, I would guess not..
[02:36] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: gnomebaker, and uh, Gonversation?
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: and no...i'm not using compiz right now.but they did just update to compiz .6.0
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: Xchat or pidgin.
[02:37] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: should I wait it out? or try it in GNOME and see what happens--no issues with those programs for you?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: like I said... i'm not using compiz.
[02:38] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: specifically CD/DVD burning in K3b, oh right, sorry.
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> i'll get around to testing it out though..
[02:38] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: thanks again, appreciate it.
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: i'm waiting for the new ATI drivers.
[02:39] <mrj> I dont know what I did but all of my settings done in the compizconfig manager dont do anything, but if i use the GL desktop and disable GL desktop it stops the compiz effects
[02:39] <mrj> blah i might just reinstall
[02:39] <AmyRose> mrj: Huh?
[02:40] <Dr_willis>   mrj  i had some oddity yesterday where the settings were ignored. then compiz crashed.
[02:40] <Dr_willis> a logout/back in may kick it in the head
[02:41] <mrj> it seems like i have the old compiz running next to the new compiz
[02:41] <mrj> or something
[02:41] <mrj> i just went through the new compiz and disabled everything
[02:41] <mrj> pretty sure its because i installed kubuntu desktop
[02:42] <DanaG> Argh, Pidgin exited when I closed the buddy list.
[02:43] <DanaG> Yet, I have it set to always show in systray.
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> DanaG: I've had that happen to me... its a crash.
[02:43] <DanaG> It happened twice in a row.
[02:43] <DanaG> Also, when Compiz starts with my session, all window shadows are white rectangles.
[02:45] <pestilence> ugh.  why can't my card keep a WPA connection in gutsy
[02:45] <pestilence> it is constantly disconnecting/reconnecting
[02:47] <macogw> pestilence: i dont know but gutsy release day torrenting will be the test for my wired connection.  supposedly the upstream sky2 has had some repairs. we'll see.
[02:49] <macogw> what's a nice gtk torrent client?
[02:50] <RAOF> macogw: I like deluge.  It seems to work :)
[02:50] <sainzeo> i'm trying to setup an external monitor with gutsy but haven't been able to do it correctly - any suggestions?
[02:52] <Demize> How would I install the beta on my computer? I have Ubuntu already, I just need to know.
[02:53] <Demize> Anyone?
[02:54] <Dr_willis> Wow.. you have no patience.
[02:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:55] <scizzo-> Demize: you mean a simple command?
[02:55] <Demize> True.
[02:55] <Dr_willis> You want to install.. or UPGRADE.
[02:55] <Demize> Upgrade.
[02:55] <Demize> What do you mean by a simple command?
[02:56] <scizzo-> well in 7 days is the release
[02:56] <scizzo-> but if you really want it now..... gksu update-manager -c -d
[02:57] <Demize> That'll do it?
[02:57] <scizzo-> Demize: try it and see?
[02:58] <DanaG> My bug: bug 121833
[02:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> DanaG: the kubuntu guys were just working on that I think..(or something like that)
[02:59] <jojo4u> btw, is the RC on it's way?
[03:00] <scizzo-> jojo4u: RC?
[03:00] <Pici> DanaG: You probably should mark it as new/confirmed not incomplete so someone looks at it
[03:00] <scizzo-> jojo4u: gutsy is released as stable in 7 days
[03:01] <jojo4u> I mean the release candidate due today (UTC time)
[03:04] <frostburn> anyone familiar with this error? http://nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=a1d544e6c6390ef75eb774ea409788d9&t=92252
[03:04] <jo1> anyone help me add the universe/multiverse repositories to gutsy?
[03:05] <bazhang> jo1: via the command line or adept/synaptic?
[03:05] <pestilence> why has firefox all of a sudden started stealing focus when a new tab opens?
[03:05] <pestilence> and how do i prevent that?
[03:06] <jojo4u> pestilence: preferences -> tabs -> "when I open..."
[03:07] <pestilence> jojo4u: yea, that's not checked.
[03:07] <jo1> bazhang: dont mind, i was trying to add via sysytem>admin>software sources but any way that is easy learn so that i can do it in the future by myself
[03:08] <fevel> can someone please help me upgrade to gutsy?
[03:08] <fevel> I am on feisty
[03:08] <fevel> and using a pavillion dv 2210us laptop
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> fevel: do you have a problem?
[03:08] <bazhang> jo1: well in KDE it's Adept, and in GNOME it's Synaptic; which are you using?
[03:09] <RAdams> my mic is not working in any application, yet I can hear myself. suggestions?
[03:09] <jo1> gnome, im using ubuntu 7.10
[03:09] <fevel> nosrednaekim,  actually no, I would like to now the procedure since it hasnt launched yet
[03:09] <fevel> but I just cant wait
[03:10] <jo1> bazhang: gnome, im using ubuntu 7.10
[03:10] <Demize> Thanks for the help. I'll still be aroud, I have homework to do. I'm also on Windows right now, so I can't try that out yet, but I will within an hour.
[03:10] <RAdams> fevel: Are you familiar with using dpkg?
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> fevel: oh....you want to know HOW to upgrade?
[03:10] <fevel> yes
[03:10] <fevel> how to upgrade
[03:10] <fevel> im pretty fmilliar with dpkg
[03:10] <fevel> not a guru though
[03:10] <RAdams> fevel: and manually repairing xorg?
[03:11] <RAdams> Because the beta still breaks packages and X now and then
[03:11] <fevel> RAdams, not really
[03:11] <fevel> I have the nvidia drivers installed
[03:11] <RAdams> just wanted you to know what you're getting into
[03:11] <RAdams> yes, and sometimes x still breaks, and you have to dpkg-reconfigure it
[03:11] <bazhang> jo1: then go to synaptic, and bear with me on this (I'm on KDE), but there should be a drop down menu with something like 'manage repositories'; there you choose which ones to enable/disable, and then you have get the new updates, and new upgrades (if any).
[03:11] <fevel> will these issues happen when it launches?
[03:11] <RAdams> not likely
[03:11] <fevel> ok
[03:11] <RAdams> there are bugs up until the final moment...
[03:12] <fevel> then I guess ill wait a couple of days
[03:12] <RAdams> then they MAGICALLY DISAPPEAR!
[03:12] <fevel> since this laptop is really important
[03:12] <RAdams> *poof*
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> we wish
[03:12] <RAdams> :P
[03:12] <fevel> thanks for the advice
[03:12] <bazhang> haha
[03:12] <RAdams> anyway, any idea on my sound? I can't even think of where to test this issue
[03:12] <RAdams> "my mic is not working in any application, yet I can hear myself. suggestions?"
[03:12] <pestilence> RAdams: what's wrong with your sound
[03:12] <pestilence> oh
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> jo1: the repository config is in settings->repositories
[03:13] <crimsun> RAdams: download http://trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh and run it
[03:14] <jo1> bazhang: settings>repositories takes me to software sources same as from the system>admin menu which i found but i dont know how to add more. the basic partner and source code repos are there but when I click to add more it asks for complete APT line?
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> jo1: ah... and waht repository do you want to add?
[03:14] <jo1> nosrednaekim: thanks i found it, dont know how to add more to it?
[03:15] <jo1> nosrednaekim: universe and multiverse? basically i want to have everything available from synaptic
[03:15] <bazhang> jo1: not sure about that one, my apologies.
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> jo1: they are all enabled b default.
[03:16] <Dr_willis> then ya got the 'other' repos like Seveas  and Mediabuntu and perhaps some others.. :)
[03:16] <crimsun> RAdam2: download http://trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh and run it
[03:16] <RAdam2> k
[03:17] <jo1> nosrednaekim: oh are there any others that are useful to add?
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> not really....
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> excpet for very speciallized things.
[03:18] <jo1> nosrednaekim: ok great. how does automatix run with gutsy?
[03:18] <RAdams> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/732490
[03:18] <Dr_willis> I see no need for automatix with gutsy.
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> jo1: don't... use.... it
[03:18] <RAdams> thats a slick script btw
[03:18] <Dr_willis> I see no need for automatix with feisty, or any of the others either.. :)
[03:18] <RAdams> automatix is horrid
[03:18] <Pici> !automatix | jo1
[03:18] <ubotu> jo1: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[03:19] <Dr_willis> each ubuntu release makes automatix more and more useless then it was befor. :)
[03:19] <crimsun> RAdams: looks at lines 257-258
[03:19] <crimsun> look, even
[03:19] <aLeSD> hi all
[03:20] <jo1> oh ok, i am newly transitioning from windows to linux and want to set up the system so i can do everything as before, read it online as a good option? if not is there a better way of doing it?
[03:20] <RAdams> oh
[03:20] <RAdams> how do i fix that?
[03:20] <aLeSD> ok triend another time : compiz take me too much memory
[03:20] <aLeSD> I mena during the time it takes always more memory
[03:20] <crimsun> RAdams: use the volume control.
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> jo1: read what?
[03:20] <aLeSD> and I can't recognize it by top
[03:21] <aLeSD> I mean I can't see the process that occupates the memory by top
[03:21] <RAdams> crimsun: ty sir :)
[03:21] <jo1> nosrednaekim: some article - http://www.pcmech.com/article/windows-to-ubuntu-transition-guide/3/
[03:21] <aLeSD> but if I change to metacity : more than 20% of my memory is freeded
[03:21] <aLeSD> so ?
[03:21] <aLeSD> who have the expirience to tell me who is tacking it ?
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> aLeSD: there must be a gnome task manager
[03:22] <macogw> aLeSD: xorg has the memory most likely
[03:22] <RoC_MasterMind> What is the difference between like deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-updates and deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty?
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> jo1: ah...well, this is gutsy, so alot of guides are going to be outadted.
[03:22] <aLeSD> nosrednaekim: I peomise I can't see it by top runned in a root session
[03:22] <aLeSD> I promise
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> aLeSD: I believe you ;) are you on kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[03:23] <aLeSD> I mean I sort by memory and 15% is for evolution
[03:23] <aLeSD> ubuntu
[03:23] <aLeSD> I'm using nvidia driver
[03:23] <aLeSD> maybe the memory used by the graphic card ... I mean the shared memory
[03:24] <jo1> ok so can i get some advice to install all the bits and pieces i need to make my linux capable of dealing with anything i did in Windows?
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> aLeSD: ah.... sorry I use kubuntu so I don't know what ubuntu hasby way of performance monitoring apps
[03:24] <aLeSD> I mean I can see the memory freeded by the counter of the memory in gnome monitor
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> jo1: mostly thats all done.
[03:24] <aLeSD> but I can't see the process
[03:25] <aLeSD> in the end I can use compiz only for a short time
[03:25] <aLeSD> bad bad bug
[03:26] <Demize> I have a sugestion for Gusty:
[03:27] <Demize> For the Live CD, it should be bootable off a DVD.
[03:27] <riotkittie> uh. it is bootable off a dvd.
[03:27] <Demize> Gusty is?
[03:27] <riotkittie> yes.
[03:27] <Demize> I tried it with Fiesty, and it didn't work.
[03:28] <riotkittie> maybe your burn was bad? maybe your disc was bad? maybe your drive is wonky?
[03:28] <Demize> Hmm...
[03:28] <Pici> Demize: Did you burn the cd iso to a dvd? or did you use the dvd iso?
[03:28] <branstrom> Yo guys, how do I make screen go into certain directories for the different windows set up by default in screenrc?
[03:28] <Demize> Ah. I didn't know there were CD and DVD iso.
[03:28] <Demize> *isos
[03:28] <riotkittie> :)
[03:29] <Demize> I got the CD one.
[03:29] <jo1> nosrednaekim: what about audio video codecs, mp3 playback, pdf viewing and firefox plugins?
[03:29] <riotkittie> i burn the cd iso to dvds.
[03:29] <Demize> Okay, time to switch to Ubuntu. No reason for me to be on Windows now.
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> jo1: audio-video, mp3 should be taken care of pretty much automatically, pdf and firefox as well.
[03:31] <bazhang> Gutsy/Compiz-Fusion/Kubuntu issues go away with K3b and Konversation by a simple shutdown and restart of C-F, at least to this point.
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: for good?
[03:32] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: well for the last five minutes--does that count? :}
[03:32] <yipe> umm, has anyone noticed that in gutsy, the download page on the official ubuntu site doesn't render correctly with firefox?
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: thats not its half-life... compiz is HIGHLY radioacive ;)
[03:33] <bazhang> ;}
[03:33] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: will 0.60 of c-f make it into Gutsy, or should I start installing Hardy Heron now? '}
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: I have .6.0...or maybe that was from another repository..
[03:34] <RAOF> bazhang: 0.6.0 + fixes from git is already in gutsy.
[03:34] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: okay... :] 
[03:35] <bdelacey> gksu update-manager -c -d ?
[03:35] <bdelacey> I tried to do this but it gave me a Gtk-WARNING
[03:35] <bazhang> RAOF: so any issues I have been having may have been related to the updated version, perhaps--unusable K3b, Konversation, etc.
[03:35] <andre_> !bug
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[03:36] <nosrednaekim> bdelacey: are you on kubuntu?
[03:36] <bazhang> RAOF: thanks for the info. Cheers!
[03:36] <bdelacey> whhooops, no ubuntu
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> bdelacey: oh.. ok
[03:36] <bdelacey> I had reported a bug ...
[03:36] <bdelacey> not wasn't recognizing the video
[03:36] <bdelacey> So I thought I'd try to just do another clean update.
[03:37] <bdelacey> Does update pick up the daily build?
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> bdelacey: no need to use the upgrade manager when you are already on gutsy.
[03:37] <bdelacey> I never could get my gutsy install to complete - it got hung up (on an earlier build) with video
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> oh... ok
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> yeah it goes to the newest build
[03:38] <bdelacey> But since the existing version of Ubuntu works fine, I thought I'd try to do an update rather than a complete reinstall - maybe the video drivers would be left hanging around :)
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> yeah.
[03:41] <bdelacey> Since "sudo gksu update-manager -c -d" doesn't do the upgrade for me, is there something else I can try from a 7.04 base install?
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> !upgrade
[03:42] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:42] <bdelacey> Thanks!
[03:43] <|neon|> i using kubuntu gutsy and java is installed however when i try to play yahoo games firefox freezes   about:plugins shows that java is installed and enabled any suggestios
[03:43] <yipe> umm, has anyone noticed that in gutsy, the download page on the official ubuntu site doesn't render correctly with firefox? Here's a screencap of what it looks like http://i21.tinypic.com/2luc5ex.png
[03:44] <yipe> notice the mashed together bit in the middle
[03:44] <ximal> how is it not rendered right ?
[03:45] <andre_> bug report filing... mmm good fun
[03:45] <ximal> mine runs fine bro
[03:46] <yipe> please view my screencap
[03:46] <{Zeus}> yipe, mine has that a little
[03:46] <{Zeus}> I think it has to do with the minimum font size
[03:47] <yipe> do you notice that where it says "Which release do you want?" and whatever it says above that are smashed together?
[03:48] <ximal> anyone mind telling me what shrink factor in k9 copy does ?
[03:48] <ximal> if anyone here uses it ?>
[03:49] <riotkittie> i notice. hm. not relevant, but what font are you using?
[03:49] <Dr_willis> never used it. sorry.
[03:49] <ximal> yipe : try using ctrlleft+ plus - or + to change font sizes.. u may have accidentally mashed it with font size change..
[03:49] <yipe> riotkittie uhhh... should be whatever the default is
[03:49] <ximal> yipe : i find that the issue sometimes bro
[03:50] <ximal> hey kittie !
[03:50] <yipe> ximal no, that just makes them get larger and smaller, still on top of each other
[03:50] <ximal> hmm
[03:51] <yipe> I think it might be a bug in either firefox's rendering or more likely the page itself
[03:51] <ximal> i'm betting you need to reinstall firefox .. make sure you have all proper flash and java plugins.. and it might fix it..
[03:51] <ximal> try checking your plugins..
[03:51] <yipe> either way... it'd be nice to have that fixed
[03:51] <yipe> I've got the default gutsy install dude
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> yipe: maybe try adjusting your font sizes
[03:51] <ximal> alot of time it can be how the plugins are working to render the page's code in the proper place..
[03:51] <ximal> default gutsy doesn't include flash or java
[03:51] <yipe> nosrednaekim tried that, no good
[03:52] <ximal> did you install the restricted extras and plugins yet ?
[03:52] <ximal> go to add remove and search for SWF
[03:52] <yipe> I'm sorry, I'm not thinking, yes I did install flash and sunjava
[03:52] <ximal> oh ok
[03:52] <ximal> well
[03:52] <yipe> I know how install things :P
[03:52] <ximal> hmm
[03:52] <yipe> how to*
[03:52] <ximal> maybe it's the theme you're using..
[03:52] <yipe> that's a good idea, lemme try changing that
[03:53] <ximal> sometimes the theme changes how things work ... sounds funny.. but true
[03:53] <ximal> or even your desk settings .. like monitor ... size of screen from 1024 to 10xx by xx
[03:53] <ximal> all irrellevant until it makes things work if you know what i mean.. heh
[03:54] <ximal> well.. i gotta go hit the restroom and dress for work.. gonna head in early to start on food prep... gotta love the grind of fast food.. especially ARBYS..
[03:54] <yipe> no dice, I changed back to human, turned off firefox, reopened it and loaded the page... still nothing, just to be sure I played with the font sizes again, nothing
[03:54] <ximal> good luck yipe !
[03:54] <ximal> sorry m8
[03:54] <yipe> I think I'm just gonna report a bug
[03:54] <ximal> it was a good thought..
[03:54] <ximal> go for it..
[03:54] <jo1> whats the best vnc software to use between ubuntu gutsy and windows xp for remote desktop control?
[03:54] <yipe> it's not a big deal, just kind of embarrassing for us
[03:54] <ximal> good luck m8.. on getting it fixed..
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> !vnc
[03:55] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[03:55] <AmyRose> jo1: Using VNC on Windows is technically illegal
[03:55] <ximal> how so rose ?
[03:55] <AmyRose> ximal: Windows XP's EULA specifically states that you may only use Microsoft Remote Desktop to project it.
[03:56] <ximal> so no remote admin etc etc ? lol
[03:56] <AmyRose> ximal: If you don't believe me, read the EULA
[03:56] <AmyRose> Well, they say you can only use Microsoft software to do it.
[03:56] <ximal> haha microshaft can blow pc parts for all i care...
[03:56] <jburris> you just have to use Microsoft's RDP
[03:56] <ximal> saying and doing amy.. two different things.. anyhow.. yall have a good night .. i'mgonna get going ;)
[03:56] <Dr_willis> jo1,  for a xp vncserver. i like 'ultravnc'
[03:57] <AmyRose> Dr_willis: Yeah, help jo1 violate XP's EULA
[03:57] <{Zeus}> yay!
[03:57] <Dr_willis> its proberly against thir EULA to have linux on the same machine...
[03:57] <AmyRose> Dr_willis: No, it's not. http://www.realvnc.com/pipermail/vnc-list/2001-October/025660.html
[03:58] <Dr_willis> First Rule of the EULA, no one discusses the EULA..
[03:58] <bsnider> why isn't linux-restricted-modules-generic being upgraded when the kernel is upgraded?
[03:58] <{Zeus}> that link says you need a microsoft license on the PC
[03:58] <{Zeus}> so if you have a dual-boot...
[03:59] <Dr_willis> or a copy of windows 2.1 in the closet...
[03:59] <AmyRose> This is EXACTLY why I wanted to avoid Windows. I don't want to have to find legal loopholes just to use my computer legally.
[03:59] <secret901> gutsy was recently updated last night and now whenever I restart my alptop it's telling me that it can't detect the video card
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> bsnider: its not? did for me.
[04:00] <secret901> does anyone know what's changed in the most recent update?
[04:01] <bsnider> nosrednaekim: you upgraded from the 2.6.22-13-generic kernel to -14-generic and the restricted package was upgraded too?
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> bsnider: actually I upgraded from -12 to -14
[04:02] <bsnider> fine, but the package was also upgraded?
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[04:03] <secret901> how do I file a bug report?
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> !bugs
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[04:03] <bsnider> nosrednaekim: can you describe how you upgrade?
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> update?
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> I use synaptic and press the "mark all updates" button and hit apply
[04:04] <bsnider> nosrednaekim: in other words, what is the procedure you're using?
[04:04] <bsnider> i see
[04:06] <secret901> Gutsy keeps not recognizing my graphics card even though it's the i810
[04:09] <Gun_Smoke> Any ideas when Gutsy will be "supported"?
[04:10] <RAOF> Gun_Smoke: After it's released, in a week or so.  And then for 18 months after that (on the desktop, at least)
[04:10] <Gun_Smoke> RAOF: week or so.. Okay thanks.
[04:10] <Gun_Smoke> I knew the rest
[04:10] <RAOF> 18th is the official release date target.
[04:12] <Gun_Smoke> Good to know..  Unfortunatly I'm don't have a machine worth leaving 6.06 :(
[04:12] <Gun_Smoke> Man I can't type tonight....
[04:12] <Gun_Smoke> I*
[04:13] <secret901> does the  Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller use the i810 driver?
[04:14] <RAOF> secret901: It probably can, although the -intel driver is what's supported upstream.
[04:14] <IdleOne> I have a nexxteck NX2 5 button usb wireless mouse here. when I plug it in the scroll wheel and the two buttons on the left hand side work but the left and right click buttons dont work. how do I get them working? is there a driver I need to install or something?
[04:15] <RAOF> secret901: intel is meant to replace i810 for everything.  It's only because there are some cards better supported by i810 at the moment that i810 is even in Gutsy.
[04:15] <secret901> the newest update of Gutsy keeps not recognizing my card
[04:15] <secret901> when I restart the laptop
[04:15] <Gun_Smoke> IdleOne:  It worked before?
[04:16] <secret901> RAOF: it says that Intel is experimental
[04:16] <IdleOne> first time trying it
[04:16] <IdleOne> Gun_Smoke: ^^
[04:16] <RAOF> secret901: Where?  That's probably a packaging bug :)
[04:17] <Gun_Smoke> gnome kde?
[04:17] <secret901> RAOF: in System->Admin->Screens and Graphics
[04:17] <IdleOne> Gun_Smoke: gnome
[04:17] <wsjunior> how do i disable compiz fusin inside kubuntu?
[04:18] <wsjunior> after installing xserver-xgl it seems it runs forever
[04:18] <wsjunior> i've already changed the session but it doesnt went away :/
[04:18] <RAOF> secret901: Oooh, yeah.  File a bug, that's not experimental :)
[04:18] <RAOF> wsjunior: You can create a file called ~/.config/xserver-xgl/disable to stop Xgl from starting.
[04:19] <Dr_willis> touch ~/.config/xserver-xgl/disable
[04:19] <Dr_willis> would do it?
[04:19] <wsjunior> Dr_willis: whats the content of this file?
[04:19] <Dr_willis> i dont have one. :)
[04:19] <Dr_willis> he said just MAKE one. :)
[04:20] <Dr_willis> touch would make an empty one
[04:20] <Gun_Smoke> IdleOne: Only thing that comes to mind is an article I read a while back why Linus thinks everyone should use kde instead of gnome, and a major complaint he had was changing what mouse buttons did.  Having that in mind, I would imagine your config file is confusing the two that do work for the defult right and left that should work.  I would be you would have better luck with kde.
[04:20] <Dr_willis> oh wait - i got comiz disabled now anyway heh
[04:20] <RAOF> Dr_willis: Yes, although you might need to "mkdir -p ~/.config/xserver-xgl" first
[04:20] <wsjunior> RAOF: the xserver-xgl dir doesnt exist show i create it?
[04:20] <wsjunior> uh
[04:20] <wsjunior> right :D
[04:21] <wsjunior> ready
[04:21] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[04:21] <Dr_willis> i wasent sure if touch made dirs or not
[04:21] <wsjunior> so i just need to restart the session?!
[04:21] <Dr_willis> one way to find out. :)
[04:21] <RAOF> wsjunior: Yes.  Logout, and when you log in again Xgl will not be running.
[04:21] <Gun_Smoke> IdleOne: Aside from that, I have never used anything other than a standard 2 button mouse with the occasional  scroll wheel.  Have you googled it?
[04:21] <wsjunior> cross fingers
[04:21] <wsjunior> :)
[04:22] <IdleOne> Gun_Smoke: kde is not an option on this machine as it just runs way to slow so I need a gnome solution. is there a config file I can look at to maybe change the config
[04:22] <IdleOne> Gun_Smoke: looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto right now and going to google to see if anyone has used this mouse with ubuntu
[04:26] <secret901> Everytime I restart my laptop, it keeps telling me that it couldn't detect my graphics card.  Is there a way to stop it from asking me?
[04:27] <secret901> even when I select the correct card, it doesn't stick.
[04:27] <IdleOne> !info imwheel
[04:27] <ubotu> imwheel: program to support non-standard buttons on new mice. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0pre12-7 (gutsy), package size 79 kB, installed size 268 kB
[04:27] <secret901> is there a way to revert back to feisty?
[04:27] <IdleOne> are repos down?
[04:28] <IdleOne> secret901: only fresh install. some ppl have chaged sources.list back to fiesty and said it worked for them but I wouldnt risk it. best bet is to !backup or !clone and do a fresh install
[04:30] <IdleOne> btw if you add a E to imwheeEl apt wont find the package :)
[04:30] <secret901> I've been having nothing but problems with Gutsy
[04:30] <IdleOne> secret901: it is beta
[04:30] <secret901> mainly graphics
[04:30] <IdleOne> what card?
[04:30] <secret901> Intel 945
[04:31] <secret901> IdleOne: http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/Products/Inspiron_1505n
[04:32] <secret901> Beryl used to work in Feisty, but Compiz never worked
[04:32] <jewbilee> Can anyone tell me how I make a custom shell script or application?
[04:34] <IdleOne> secret901: sorry i really dont know how to help you
[04:34] <IdleOne> jewbilee: ask in #ubuntu someone there might be able to help
[04:34] <secret901> IdleOne: know how to get rid of the annoying "Graphic card not found" message whenever I boot up?
[04:35] <IdleOne> does the card work?
[04:35] <secret901> IdleOne: It seems to default to vesa
[04:35] <IdleOne> I mean do you get that message and the card is working?
[04:35] <secret901> IdleOne: and working adequately
[04:36] <secret901> IdleOne: it appears to be working, I can see the screen fine
[04:36] <IdleOne> sound slike a bug then
[04:37] <secret901> IdleOne: it didn't have that problem prior to the update last night
[04:37] <secret901> IdleOne: last night it downloaded a ton of updates
[04:37] <IdleOne> report it on launchpad.net give as much detail as you can about the card and when the issue started
[04:39] <Gun_Smoke> secret901: Hang on.... It will all be pulling together sooner than you think.. And next time wait for the official release.. If you can't give yourself a partition for "beta" releases.
[04:40] <secret901> Gun_Smoke: I hope so
[04:40] <Gun_Smoke> secret901: From RAOF "18th is the official release date target."
[04:40] <Gun_Smoke> about a week to go.. Keep updating and will only get better.
[04:41] <secret901> Gun_Smoke: I can update from beta to official without having to download the whole thing again right?
[04:41] <RAOF> The release schedule in the /topic can always be consulted for details :)
[04:41] <Gun_Smoke> secret901: YUP
[04:41] <Gun_Smoke> keep them going.. it will fix it's self as it moves along.
[04:42] <secret901> Gun_Smoke: I hope so...I'll bear with it for the time being.
[04:42] <secret901> I can't even set it to suspend or hibernate properly
[04:42] <Calicoo> Where are internet settings saved?
[04:43] <Gun_Smoke> Good time to read man pages... do  "man bash" and learn your heart out.. I never stop with those pages...
[04:43] <Gun_Smoke> Calicoo: On the internet of course. :)
[04:43] <MaxLogic> ok so got a question I can see flash like ie: Youtube video but I have no sound is there anything I have to install to get sound. I've never had this problems so I don't even know where to start but I do have sound when it comes to videos, music and what not
[04:43] <secret901> shouldn't have touched what's not broken
[04:43] <Calicoo> >.>
[04:43] <secret901> :-(
[04:43] <Calicoo> I mean in ubuntu.
[04:43] <secret901> doesn't look like Gutsy have anything interesting anyway
[04:43] <Gun_Smoke> Calicoo:  Oh... ummm...  lemmee.. I've got a call..
[04:44] <secret901> turning on Compiz by default is a horrible idea
[04:46] <IdleOne> Gun_Smoke: after editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf do I need to restart it ?
[04:48] <Gun_Smoke> IdleOne: No clue pal.. I doubt it.. Most would be log out log on..
[04:48] <IdleOne> ok thanks
[04:49] <Calicoo> No one?
[04:50] <Gun_Smoke> Calicoo: I'd ask that at #ubuntu not +1...........  There is much more traffic there.
[04:50] <Calicoo> Alright. Thanks.
[04:56] <jmg_> hi all
[04:56] <jmg_> how do i enable compiz on my i910?
[04:58] <secret901> jmb_: isn't it enabled by default?
[04:59] <jmg_> secret901: i have plain old fashioned boring desktop
[04:59] <jmg_> do i need to reconfigure xorg?
[05:00] <secret901> jmg_: System -> Preferences -> Appearance
[05:01] <jmg_> secret901: that worked thanks
[05:04] <chris_> hey, is there some weird firewall rules enabled for wireless? All sorts of website are getting blocked on the wireless in linux, but not in windows on the same laptop on the same wireless connection.
[05:04] <secret901> jmg_: np
[05:04] <secret901> chris_ like what site?
[05:04] <chris_> irc.ubuntu.com
[05:04] <chris_> for example
[05:05] <chris_> the website true combat elite connects to to get it's server list.
[05:05] <roe_> where is the link for bandwidth reqs for becoming a mirror
[05:05] <chris_> https://ulearn.ualberta.ca/
[05:05] <chris_> I could go on I suppose.
[05:06] <secret901> chris_: what sort of error do you get?
[05:06] <secret901> chris_: can you ping them?
[05:06] <chris_> it times out.
[05:06] <chris_> in konversation i get this:
[05:06] <chris_> [20:59]  [Info]  Looking for server irc.ubuntu.com:8001...
[05:06] <chris_> [20:59]  [Info]  Server found, connecting...
[05:06] <chris_> [20:59]  [Error]  Connection to Server irc.ubuntu.com lost: connection actively refused. Trying to reconnect.
[05:06] <secret901> how about ulearn.ualberta.ca?
[05:07] <Starcraftmazter> has anyone had issues with bluefish lagging badly?
[05:07] <secret901> chris_: can you ping them?
[05:07] <chris_> I can ping them, that's why it's weird
[05:07] <secret901> have you tried a different browser?
[05:08] <chris_> seems to hate stuff on ports beginning with 80 because it won't let me connect to ktorrent on 8080 at home either.
[05:08] <chris_> this is in firefox and konqueror
[05:08] <chris_> and also in true combat: elite
[05:09] <gaminggeek> anyone here know how to get a wacom tablet to work with gimp?
[05:09] <chris_> hey, is anything on the internal network start with 192? the website true combat uses resolves to 192.246.40.60:27951
[05:10] <secret901> chris_:yes
[05:10] <secret901> chris_: actually, no
[05:10] <chris_> ok, just brainstorming.
[05:11] <jimmygoon> All of my videos that I playback in totem seem to be stretched - too tall-ishly
[05:11] <secret901> chris_: pretty much all of 192 are reserved
[05:11] <jimmygoon> This happens with (all?) video filetypes
[05:12] <jmg_> emerald is too slow, can i disable it and still have compiz?
[05:12] <secret901> jmg_: where's the emerald setting?
[05:13] <jmg_> secret901: it's running emerald
[05:13] <jmg_> secret901: if i turn off window decoration in the compiz settings i get no decorator
[05:14] <secret901> jmg_: I'm having similar problems with compiz
[05:14] <secret901> jmg_: beryl seems to work, but compiz is trouble-prone
[05:14] <Adlai> how can I disable xgl by default on gutsy?
[05:15] <jimmygoon> surely there isn't xgl by default?
[05:15] <Adlai> I don't want effects, but since I have a newer radeon, it's starting xgl
[05:15] <jimmygoon> yucky
[05:15] <Adlai> yup
[05:15] <jimmygoon> does selecting "none" under effects on the appearance pane do it?
[05:16] <Adlai> well, it turns off compiz
[05:16] <Adlai> but doesn't switch back to X
[05:16] <Adlai> and restarting with this new setting changes nothing
[05:16] <Adlai> hmmmmmm
[05:16] <Adlai> actually, it may be because I installed xgl manually a while ago
[05:16] <Adlai> this is my "testing" box
[05:16] <Adlai> let's see if uninstalling that helps
[05:19] <vmlinuz`> how to install identd and enable it. it's already forwarded in my router the port 113. anything else i have to do?
[05:19] <TehUni> is gutsy on schedule for it's RC tomorrow ?
[05:19] <TehUni> vmlinuz`: sudo apt-get install ident2
[05:19] <vmlinuz`> TehUni: thanks
[05:19] <TehUni> np
[05:21] <jmg_> anyone know how to change the decorator away from emerald?
[05:23] <vmlinuz`> * Not starting internet superserver: no services enabled.
[05:23] <vmlinuz`> do i need to enable it from somewhere?
[05:24] <wims> have they released an iso of the beta or do we have to upgrade through feisty ?
[05:24] <vmlinuz`> wims: both can work
[05:24] <vmlinuz`> i upgraded to gutsy from feisty
[05:25] <jaebird> any empathy users here?
[05:25] <wims> yeah, but my gutsy install is a mess
[05:25] <wims> i just want to clear it out and start from scratch
[05:25] <IdleOne> ok now I got a new error. need to kill bonobo-activation-server and restart nautilus
[05:25] <wims> but i cant find an .iso of gutsy
[05:25] <jaebird> wims: gutsy beta
[05:26] <IdleOne> wims: www.ubuntu.com has it
[05:26] <jaebird> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/
[05:26] <wims> cheers
[05:26] <wims> oh
[05:26] <wims> its a dvd now
[05:26] <wims> hm
[05:26] <jaebird> ok, so empathy (jabber client) is not connecting now after the gutsy update today
[05:27] <vmlinuz`> TehUni: I installed ident2 .. but still
[05:27] <jaebird> was working grand yesterday and before
[05:27] <IdleOne> how do I restart nautilus?
[05:27] <jaebird> there are a boatload of dependencies for it...so any one of them could have honked it i suppose
[05:27] <TehUni> vmlinuz`: ...?
[05:28] <DanaG> onefish twofish redfish bluefish.
[05:28] <vmlinuz`> TehUni: do i need to switch the service on from somewhere? because it's still not working
[05:28] <TehUni> vmlinuz`: you'll need to run "sudo ident2" to start it
[05:29] <vmlinuz`> and I did TehUni. still not working :/
[05:29] <Adlai> blowfish
[05:30] <IdleOne> ident should not need sudo privs to run
[05:30] <IdleOne> but maybe it does
[05:30] <TehUni> error: binding to port 113: bind(): Permission denied
[05:30] <TehUni> so i run it w/ sudo
[05:31] <vmlinuz`> how to stop the service?
[05:31] <IdleOne> I need a reboot
[05:31] <IdleOne> :/
[05:31] <wims> wow there's full ntfs write support now
[05:31] <wims> that rocks
[05:34] <gnomefreak> guess it doesnt :(
[05:43] <DanaG> Gaah, I hate that double blink on idle, especially when it happens when I'm not really idle.
[05:43] <DanaG> For example, try using SSH with X.  You'll find that you'll seem to be idle.
[05:49] <branstrom> Double blink?
[05:51] <DanaG> Yeah, it blinks off twice during the "fade".
[05:55] <branstrom> Okay, let me be more specific: blinks? What blinks?
[05:55] <DanaG> The LCD backlight.
[05:56] <DanaG> bug 121833
[05:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[05:57] <branstrom> Ah. Can that be seen with a CRT too? I think I've experienced something similar... but it's probably some but with the nvidia driver or whatever.
[05:57] <naught101> anyone here know much about cpu scaling governors?
[05:57] <branstrom> Like, the screensaver, when it starts fading
[05:59] <naught101> I have some in my /etc/modules, cpufreq_powersave, etc, but I want to install the userspace one too. I've read a number of things on the net, some say it's cpufreq-userspace, some say it's cpufreq_userspace...
[05:59] <naught101> which is it?
[05:59] <naught101> and does the same rule apply to all the others as well?
[06:04] <DanaG> Oh yeah, underscore and dash are interchangeable.
[06:04] <DanaG> Sometimes tab-complete will give one, and sometimes it will give the other.
[06:04] <TQuid> Ah, someone else with a borked gdm?
[06:05] <TQuid> Mine is griping that no server is defined in its config file--did a sudo aptitude reinstall gdm after nuking /etc/gdm and no joy.
[06:05] <TQuid> And the server damned well IS defined in there.
[06:06] <naught101> DanaG: for all modules?
[06:06] <TQuid> Oh, wait,t hat's history from aeons ago.
[06:06] <naught101> cool
[06:06] <TQuid> So, yeah, gdm is griping; I don't see a bug about it.
[06:06] <TQuid> Anyone else seen this?
[06:06] <TQuid> Oh, and gdmsetup segfaults.
[06:08] <Nuked> anyone know how to prevent xgl from starting up aside from uninstalling it
[06:09] <Nuked> ?
[06:11] <TQuid> I think that'll be in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, Nuked.
[06:17] <TQuid> Looks like gdm-custom.conf became gdm.conf-custom
[06:17] <Nuked> a message popped up when I had installed xgl.. in my zeal to get it to work... I never took down what was in the message
[06:18] <hydrogen> xgl is mostly unnecessary at this point
[06:18] <Nuked> hydrogen: I was told that it is for ati cards
[06:18] <Nuked> TQuid: I see no xgl entry in my xorg.conf
[06:18] <hydrogen> Nuked: depends on the drivers I think
[06:19] <TQuid> And clicking "configure x server" segfaults it too.
[06:19] <hydrogen> but check /usr/bin/startx
[06:19] <hydrogen> for defaultserver
[06:19] <Nuked> hydrogen: any way that I can get it to stop starting?
[06:19] <Nuked> Jordan_U: I HATE fglrx
[06:19] <Nuked> but the driver has made progress
[06:20] <hydrogen> Nuked: I havn't used it in a long time.. check /usr/bin/startx for the defaultserver entry however
[06:20] <TQuid> bloody hell, why is gdm so fucked?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> havent noticed...
[06:20] <Jordan_U> Nuked, And the next version will have AIGLX! ... Finally
[06:20] <Dr_willis> more update and breakage eh?
[06:21] <Nuked> Jordan_U: I can hardly wait.. xgl seems to disable direct rendering on my card somehow
[06:22] <Jordan_U> Nuked, Not quite it's just an unbelievably stupid hack :)
[06:22] <Jordan_U> Nuked, Xgl is a fullscreen application running on top of regular X
[06:23] <Jordan_U> Nuked, I first found this out when it was new and even less stable, because one day it started out in a window. That was a real WTF moment :)
[06:23] <Jordan_U> Nuked, So it is not possible to have direct rendering on top of XGL
[06:29] <macogw> based on TQuid's question i must ask
[06:30] <linoleum> hello
[06:30] <macogw> has anyone else had lately where they log in to GDM and then wait...and wait....and wait...and wait...and GNOME never actually loads?
[06:30] <macogw> or GNOME loads...kind of....just the background and panel (with no applets, icons or menus)
[06:30] <macogw> ???
[06:30] <linoleum> do you know how can I activate dmix in gusty , because it seem dmix is not enable by default in gusty : if I run Jackd and try to play music after that, there is no sound
[06:31] <mzuverink> macogw, you have to kill bonobo-activation-server then log back in
[06:31] <macogw> what's bonobo?
[06:32] <macogw> and if you can't alt+f2 or open an xterm because gnome doesn't finish loading and you cant use the tty's because framebuffer is broken...how do you do that?
[06:32] <macogw> i restarted X with ctrl+alt+backspace over and over til it just stopped and wouldnt restart (if it took that many tries) then rebooted if it got to that point and was still not working, then tried some more
[06:33] <macogw> eventually, i'd get lucky and it'd work
[06:35] <mzuverink> macogw, its a known bug, so you know that it only happens if you login then logout.  before you log back in, go to a term, log in and kill the process, simple really
[06:37] <macogw> eh?
[06:38] <macogw> it happens when i first log in after boot
[06:38] <macogw> and once ive logged out, where am i to find a term? framebuffer's yet to be fixed
[06:38] <macogw> who do i blame for the new ability to grab things from firefox and drop them on the desktop to "download" them like on osx? is that gran paradiso or is that gutsy?
[06:41] <sid> I just wrote 3 documents in oo.o, saved them etc. but they're gone now
[06:42] <sid> and the backup files are 0 bytes
[06:45] <Dr_willis> grab what things? URL Links?
[06:53] <bintut> hello all..
[06:54] <bintut> i just installed ubuntu gutsy amd64 on my laptop
[06:54] <bintut> i just found out that the interface names are named as eth2 and eth3.. is there a way to change it permanently maybe eth0 for the wired and wlan0 for the wifi?
[06:55] <naught101> has anyone using intel video drivers noticed some seriously fucked up shit when shutting down and/or hibernating? (I think it's when the screen turns off)
[06:56] <stdin> bintut: /etc/iftab is the way
[06:56] <bintut> stdin: i'll check on that file.. thanks..
[06:56] <stdin> naught101: you do know the language rules, don't you?
[06:56] <naught101> like the screen filling up with broken console spaces
[06:56] <bintut> stdin: i don't have that file.. :(
[06:56] <naught101> stdin: no, I didn't. I can guess one of them now though.
[06:57] <bintut> stdin: normally, i change it inside the /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistent-net*
[06:58] <stdin> bintut: I guess you can make it, it goes like "eth0 mac THE:MAC:ADDRESS:HERE arp 1" change "THE:MAC:ADDRESS:HERE" to the MAC address of the interface
[06:58] <bintut> stdin: ok
[06:58] <bintut> stdin: but, do you know how the ubuntu gutsy named it as eth2 and eth3?
[06:59] <bintut> instead of eth0 and eth1 or wlan0 respectively?
[06:59] <stdin> no idea, my interfaces were the same in feisty
[06:59] <bintut> ok
[07:00] <Davy_Jones> when 7.1 is released, what will happen to ubuntustudio?
[07:01] <Davy_Jones> will it have the upgrades too?
[07:01] <mahrellon> Morning everyone
[07:02] <mahrellon> Do you guys know if it's safe to install the latest updates for GG (with xorg updates and all) or is anything broken?
[07:02] <bintut> brb
[07:02] <mzuverink> why wont it sound preview even though I have it set to do so and have installed mpg123?
[07:04] <dystopianray> is kopete still broken?
[07:06] <friend2GNU> I haven't had a chance to try kubuntu gutsy, but is compiz layed out in kubuntu like in ubuntu
[07:07] <dystopianray> kubuntu will not have compiz by default, if that's what you mean
[07:07] <friend2GNU> thanks you answered my question =)
[07:30] <jewbilee> my friend just installed ubuntu on an external HDD and now when he went to reboot to into Ubuntu, he gets a grub error 21.  He has a RAID setup with vista as his main OS but now he cant even boot into that
[07:30] <jewbilee> can anyone help?
[07:30] <DanaG> Argh, Amarok freezes sometimes when I hit play or pause.
[07:37] <hydrogen> so don't hit play or pause, make up your mind so it can make up its
[07:45] <DanaG> Well, how can I play music if I don't start it?
[07:45] <DanaG> eeh, your answer was a joke, right?
[07:57] <ryan8403> I hope someone might be able to help. I need to use vpnc to connect to a cisco vpn server, but its not connecting to the server. I get an error message, unable to bind to 0.0.0.0:500
[07:58] <ryan8403> netstat -a doesn't show anything waiting for a connection though
[08:02] <macogw> who says granparadiso's bonus is less mem leakage? top:
[08:02] <macogw>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[08:02] <macogw>  8747 maco      25   0  374m 180m  37m R   97 18.0  51:03.58 firefox-3.0
[08:03] <macogw> well i guess that's more cpu hogging than mem leakage
[08:03] <macogw> but 180MB of mem is certainly too much
[08:11] <oem> any one ehre
[08:15] <oem> hello
[08:15] <oem> wow soem oens here
[08:16] <oem> say have you enterd into the oem portion of the disk at all?
[08:16] <oem> Hi Pici
[08:16] <oem> its me lee
[08:17] <DanaG> WTF?  gnome-user-share shares my whole home dir, not just ~/Public.
[08:17] <oem> Iam confused and not sure waht to do atm
[08:17] <oem> hu?
[08:18] <oem> when you give soem access via the acess my pc you give them full access to everything even in windows, taht is how del trouble shots everyhting
[08:20] <oem> eh can some give me some adive on waht to do with  the button called...preare for shippining to end user?
[08:20] <oem> hi eMaX
[08:21] <sleepynate> oem: don't click that one. it starts a war with china
[08:21] <oem> emax, iam in oem mode and not sure waht to do
[08:21] <oem> oh lol
[08:21] <Hobbsee> oh dear, you are on gutsy.
[08:21] <oem> no i cant go there either lol
[08:21] <Hobbsee> why?
[08:21] <sleepynate> could wreck the whole economy. that would be awful, no?
[08:21] <oem> thesaid cause i am gusty I go here lol
[08:21] <oem> here's the story
[08:21] <oem> ready
[08:22] <Hobbsee> yes, but you clearly shouldnt be on gutsy, if you dont know what you're doing.
[08:23] <oem> I was bard 3 days ago and decided to hunt and kinda see waht linux was all about, seeign that dell is starting to load it on tp there systems now, so I found ubuntu because it was displayed all nice and neat on the web sight at dell
[08:23] <oem> So I googled it, and said wow a beta..I love betas cause there all fun and you'll never know waht you will find
[08:24] <oem> so, I burnd the beta to disk and low and behold waht should come up.....a tasty delight full scrambled screen so I restatred and changed it to a different res and then hit OEM....I love oems..there fun..but..I go more then waht I bargaind for
[08:25] <oem> I did not realise taht I became a distrubieter lol
[08:26] <oem> eh so, was this a mistake that Ubuntu made? or are they wanting everyone to test this thing
[08:27] <oem> eh I don't have fiesty fawn...this was the only oem that burnd right after all 8 attempts of buring a cd rom
[08:28] <frostburn> burn slower cds
[08:28] <oem> Thats how i wound up with this one
[08:28] <oem> well, I am going to poke taht button and see waht happens
[08:29] <oem> whats the worse taht can happen
[08:29] <gnomefreak> screen res issue using desktop cd i suggest you eith burn feisty or if you are that hell bent for a broken system download and burn the alternative cd. this si normally some weird hardware that the installer can find info on it
[08:29] <frostburn> you accidentally write 1's to your bios
[08:30] <oem> any how, ok ia may be new but I don't go messign with my bios lol
[08:30] <oem> I don't even falsh the thing
[08:30] <frostburn> lol
[08:30] <frostburn> you asked what's the worst
[08:30] <oem> oh lol
[08:30] <frostburn> i don't even know how to do that on purpose
[08:31] <oem> well I heard horor storeis of bios flashing stories
[08:31] <oem> and seen a few
[08:32] <oem> hmm fine print says I have limmitted abillites as an oem user
[08:32] <oem> ok buggy report time lol
[08:33] <oem> holy cow it comes with power histry
[08:33] <frostburn> what's that?
[08:34] <oem> no idea some kind of thing taht does a power search
[08:34] <oem> hmm it disapeared
[08:36] <oem> its also saying something aobut editing  the sign in screen
[08:36] <oem> its like its on steroids
[08:36] <oem> well I need to restart lol
[08:36] <wabiD> is the website down?
[08:36] <macogw> oem: OEM mode means a normal installation but without the first user's username and password set yet.  just do a regular install
[08:37] <oem> ok going to do taht
[08:37] <macogw> power history shows what charge level you're battery's been at over time
[08:39] <Gabz^laptop> can you install gusty kubuntu without using the cd ?
[08:40] <frostburn> yes add $update-manager -d
[08:40] <Gabz^laptop> nah i need to do it to a clean hard drive
[08:41] <Gabz^laptop> my laptop doesn't like booting off burnt cd for some reason
[08:41] <Gabz^laptop> it booted madrivia which came with the linux magazine but not kubuntu 7.10 beta
[08:42] <frostburn> you can do a network boot if your mobo supports it
[08:43] <Gabz^laptop> yeah it supports PXE network boots
[08:50] <murlidhar> if i upgrade to gutsy then can i again install the whole gutsy after releasing ? is it better to upgrage using alternate cd (offline installation)
[08:51] <Seeker`> murlidhar: (current gutsy) + (all updates to gutsy before release) = (release gutsy)
[08:52] <murlidhar> Seeker`: so do i install it using alternate cd?
[08:52] <macogw> you can just upgrade to it
[08:52] <macogw> gksu "update-manager -d"
[08:53] <macogw> if you dont have feisty running already though, then yes, use a gutsy beta cd
[08:54] <murlidhar> i do not have a stable internet connection i think it is better to install using alternate cd since i have feisty already installed
[08:54] <murlidhar> what do u guys recommend?
[08:55] <macogw> if you're afraid your internets will *poof* mid-upgrade, burn an alternate cd and add that as your only repository, then upgrade from it
[08:56] <Caelum> anyone know how to debug a freeze on boot with "Loading please wait..." I don't see anything useful in the logs
[08:56] <murlidhar> macogw: thnks i will do that right on just a question after adding it as repository what should i do?
[08:57] <macogw> murlidhar: same thing: gksu "update-manager -d"
[08:57] <macogw> make it the first repo in the list
[08:57] <macogw> so itll be the one it defaults to
[08:57] <macogw> or disable the network repos first
[08:57] <lee__> eh ok i am back if any one is here
[08:57] <murlidhar> macogw: won't it then go to the internet then ?
 gksu "update-manager -d"       why gksu? why not just "update-manager -d"?
[08:58] <murlidhar> apt-get dist-upgrade is somebody said
[08:58] <lee__> ok I was brave and poked that button
[08:58] <macogw> hit: it has a gui
[08:58] <macogw> if you leave them enabled itll grab from the repos if there's a newer version on repos than on cd but from cd if it matches the rep
[08:59] <macogw> update-manager -d runs the regular update manager with a button to upgrade to the development version. it does more checks on what repos are disabled.  i suppose if you know you've disabled all network repos it doesnt matter though
[08:59] <lee__> eh in case your wondering it is me the one taht was called OEM
[08:59] <hit> macogw: update-manager -d also shows a gui
[08:59] <macogw> just cant have 3rd party repos enabled during upgrades
[08:59] <mzuverink> anyone else getting a redirect error at ubuntu.com?
[08:59] <hit> oh
[09:00] <macogw> hit: yes.  because update-manager -d has a gui, you use gksu
[09:00] <jmg_> macogw: you wrote -d didnt you?
[09:00] <jmg_> :)
[09:00] <macogw> yes
[09:00] <jmg_> hehe
[09:01] <macogw> what?
[09:01] <hit> i still don't get it, both are showing gui
[09:01] <jmg_> nothing
[09:01] <murlidhar> do i have to completely upgrade the feisty before moving out to gutsy
[09:01] <jmg_> thanks for your contribution to ubuntu :)
[09:01] <macogw> jmg_: wait what?
[09:01] <hit> ah gksu displays a warning tho      warning: could not initiate dbus
[09:01] <macogw> jmg_: not the code for it. i thought you meant in-channel
[09:01] <jmg> macogw: oh
[09:01] <jmg> macogw: sorry i thought you implemented the feature
[09:02] <macogw> hit: you're not supposed to use plain sudo on gui apps because it does something different than gksu does.  gksu has some special error checking magic
[09:02] <macogw> jmg: oh no no
[09:02] <macogw> i dont code well enough :P
[09:02] <jmg> :p okay
[09:02] <jmg> you should learn python :) its fun
[09:02] <hit> macogw: ok, thanks
[09:03] <jmg> gksu makes sure you dont badly chown stuff
[09:03] <lee__> so has any here encountered the OEM thing on there disks?
[09:03] <frostburn> afaik gksu is just a graphical frontend
[09:03] <jmg> lee__: huh?
[09:03] <macogw> jmg: i know some, but we have so much java, c, c++, and xul in school that i have little time for other languages
[09:03] <lee__> eh i signed in as an oem about 5 minuts ago
[09:03] <jmg> macogw: ah - xul - cool, you will be able to write mozilla plugins
[09:03] <lee__> its was the only thing that would run
[09:04] <macogw> lee__: it makes it so there's just the stuff installed and no user accounts set up yet.  if you do a normal install, itll be identical except that it asks what username and password you want during installation
[09:04] <macogw> jmg: that was the first assignment in my dev of oss class
[09:04] <jmg> macogw: oh wow an oss course? thats nice
[09:04] <lee__> i did the install...and eh you only get a partial install
[09:04] <macogw> frostburn: someone on #ubuntuforums said it does some extra checks / protects you from yourself a bit
[09:04] <lee__> eh at least thats what the message said lol
[09:05] <macogw> lee__: thats not right then.  you got a bad disk if oem's all that would work
[09:05] <macogw> and if it didnt even finish that
[09:05] <lee__> it comleted everything
[09:05] <lee__> i even have something called
[09:05] <lee__> show search entry
[09:06] <lee__> systems stable
[09:06] <lee__> all8 are working
[09:06] <macogw> jmg: the prof is the head dev for camino (ff that fits with mac's aqua) so thats why we do xul and c++.  i have to write a ff component in c++ for monday.  that's tomorrow evening's task to start hammering out
[09:07] <lee__> and the partial containd over 4,000 files erg
[09:07] <lee__> I am guessing that it was the message thatwas off lol
[09:07] <lee__> its fast that is for sure
[09:07] <jmg> macogw: what university?
[09:08] <macogw> jmg: george washington
[09:09] <lee__> well its faster then what fiesty was
[09:10] <lee__> i am able to dl at 55kb
[09:10] <lee__> eh 555kb where i was only dl 45-100
[09:10] <macogw> dl isnt anything to do with distro, AFAIK
[09:10] <macogw> thats your ISP
[09:11] <lee__> eh i have commycast
[09:11] <frostburn> it is if you're running windows, they limit the max number of tcp connections
[09:11] <lee__> but somethings not right i an supose to have 8mps
[09:11] <hit> anyone knows why gksu "update-manager -d" produces a 'warning: could not initate dbus'?
[09:12] <skinnypuppy34> ftp is generally faster than http on most isp's
[09:12] <lee__> eh i got that to
[09:12] <lee__> what is debus?
[09:13] <macogw> hit: because gksu always does that
[09:13] <lee__> windows or ubuntu
[09:13] <hit> so it's kind of 'freature' to display that warning? :p
[09:14] <avatar_> Anyone here who has experience with landscape? http://www.canonical.com/landscape
[09:15] <macogw> hit: there's probably some dbus binding available that's not in use
[09:15] <hit> ko
[09:15] <hit> ok
[09:17] <lee__> well i just tried to update and it said system fully updated
[09:19] <m1r> morning
[09:19] <lee__> hmm that search tool..searches for both commands used as well as searhing for folders and files
[09:19] <macogw> deskbar?
[09:20] <m1r> why install wants to go online in alternate cd at 85% configuring tomboy ?
[09:22] <lee__> well i found a link..or a book marked page and it said it couldnt redirect lol
[09:22] <m1r> finally it continued , after checking all sources.list, too about 1h
[09:28] <Starcraftmazter> hey guys
[09:28] <Starcraftmazter> which plugin in compiz does transparency
[09:28] <Starcraftmazter> and how do you use it?
[09:28] <Starcraftmazter> I kind of need it atm
[09:29] <Starcraftmazter> O_o
[09:29] <AnRkey> Hi
[09:30] <ddt_7th>  i upgrade my system to gutsy,but there is a problem
[09:30] <nanonyme> Starcraftmazter, you need eye candy? now that's an interesting concept ;)
[09:30] <ddt_7th> i click quit,and it's very slow to show the shutdown,restart,logoff dialog box
[09:30] <MrStein> is there no beta cd ? just dvd ?
[09:30] <sbucatino> hi i have this problem : gutsy tribe 3 extra keys work; gutsy tribe 5 exstra keys don t want work :(
[09:30] <nanonyme> then again, i've visioned embedding a terminal to my desktop background so i guess i shouldn't say anything...
[09:31] <lee__> i have a beta cd that i burned 3 days ago
[09:31] <Starcraftmazter> nanonyme: yes I have to copy a large amount of stuff between two screens
[09:32] <nanonyme> lee__, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/ which of these did you download?
[09:32] <lee__> yeah i got that , an more then i bargaind for as i have an oem option
[09:33] <sbucatino> for who want know i have solved a problem with alc861 vd with pached driver (realtek) based on alsa driver 1.0.15rc3
[09:33] <nanonyme> i mean, those are dvd images
[09:33] <AnRkey> can some1 help me with what looks like a bug in the intel graphics drivers >> http://www.tiehab.com/problem.png
[09:33] <lee__> Iam not joking on taht on one nanonyme
[09:33] <nanonyme> which MD5SUMS.gpg <3
[09:33] <lee__> eh don't know just a sec
[09:34] <nanonyme> that's the way things should be done
[09:34] <nanonyme> s/which //
[09:34] <sbucatino> noone knows about exstra keys problem ?
[09:35] <lee__> naonyme that isn't even close to what i downloaded....I burned an actaul cd not dvd
[09:36] <nanonyme> hmyeah
[09:36] <nanonyme> i guess what you downloaded isn't available anymore?
[09:36] <lee__> I burned it from Ubuntu while searching I came across the link by accident
[09:37] <nanonyme> but that's another issue
[09:37] <lee__> you can say that again, I got around the mess my 1 cahngignt he graphics taht corrected the messy screen and crashes and then 2 I just went straight for the OEM mode
[09:37] <nanonyme> heh
[09:38] <lee__> eh are there version s of gutst?
[09:38] <lee__> eh gutsy
[09:38] <natsume> uhhhh
[09:38] <nanonyme> versions as in what?
[09:38] <natsume> how to fix this all things
[09:39] <lee__> as ones with OEM ones with out OEm ones tah you up grade from fiesty, stuff like that
[09:39] <nanonyme> heh, you don't need a cd to upgrade from feisty
[09:39] <lee__> and is so then how do we tell waht version we got?
[09:39] <nanonyme> just wait till 18th till it's released and it should be trivial to just tell your system to update
[09:39] <lee__> eh oh, eh I kinda wiped out fiesty then used the cd
[09:40] <nanonyme> hrmh
[09:41] <lee__> Hopefully they give the propper ati drivers erg
[09:41] <lee__> Ihad to load the ones that I have to keep form my sceeen looking like an hour galss
[09:41] <lee__> erg I must be itred lol
[09:41] <lee__> can't type
[09:42] <nanonyme> well, afaik the good ATI drivers will get to hardy
[09:42] <lee__> eh i am curently running the ones that i got from ati its self.. i really don't need eye kandy lol
[09:44] <nanonyme> lee__, gutsy will have eye candy on by default
[09:44] <nanonyme> the lead developers chose popularity over stability
[09:44] <lee__> well i knoticed that but i killed weeble woble by using my ati drivers lol
[09:45] <lee__> eh the ones from atui
[09:45] <nanonyme> as the announcement quite clearly said
[09:45] <lee__> only because my monitor  had an hour glass shape to it
[09:45] <nanonyme> then again, gutsy final is supposed to have some failsafe x
[09:45] <nanonyme> that you can use to turn compiz off
[09:46] <lee__> oh coolio
[09:46] <Jordan_U> nanonyme, Bulletproof X does more than that
[09:46] <AnRkey> can some1 take a look and this and help me out http://www.tiehab.com/problem.png
[09:46] <nanonyme> "This specification describes a new failsafe mode that will be used if X fails to start up. It will be in a reduced (VESA 800x600/256 or VGA 640x480/16) graphics environment running a single application (displayconfig-gtk) for configuring the graphics devices."
[09:46] <lee__> eh is that what i did then? turnd off the compiz? it now saying that tere is no cmposite availiasble
[09:47] <Jordan_U> nanonyme, You can basically butcher your xorg.conf any way you want and X will still start ( with a program to reconfigure your xorg.conf if it's screwed up )
[09:47] <lee__> thats nice lol
[09:47] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, Does that only happen in Gutsy?
[09:48] <nanonyme> Jordan_U, so it's mostly an always-working replacement for apt-get text mode reconfigure
[09:48] <lee__> i think that came in an up date
[09:48] <nanonyme> graphical one, that is
[09:48] <nanonyme> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BulletProofX
[09:48] <Jordan_U> lee__, fglrx doesn't work with AIGLX
[09:48] <nanonyme> yet
[09:48] <lee__> well i am not gong to go buthchering it lol
[09:48] <nanonyme> the new driver will
[09:48] <lee__> i know and understand that
[09:49] <Jordan_U> nanonyme, I know, I hacked a bit on it :)
[09:49] <lee__> i just didnt want to kill the only monitor i have atm
[09:49] <nanonyme> so waiting till hardy before putting compiz in would have been quite justified
[09:49] <awalton__> dear goodness I can't wait for the new ATi driver, so us r(s)4xx users can get out of the stone-age
[09:49] <Jordan_U> nanonyme, Then they would be in uncharted territory with an LTS version
[09:49] <lee__> lol
[09:50] <lee__> what are you taking about lol, i have 16x enabled
[09:50] <nanonyme> display adapter chip
[09:50] <lee__> and 6x too
[09:50] <Jordan_U> nanonyme, If they hadn't done it with Gutsy they wouldn't have done it until 8.04 ( at least I doubt they would have enabled composite by default first time on an LTS )
[09:50] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, yes
[09:50] <nanonyme> hmm
[09:51] <nanonyme> Jordan_U, then i guess it's just damn bad timing with releases
[09:51] <nanonyme> sorry for the curse
[09:51] <awalton__> well, didn't they want to do composite by default in feisty?
[09:51] <awalton__> and deferred it due to its.. well.. lack of working-ness
[09:51] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, this is on a shiny new dell vostro 200 pc
[09:52] <lee__> eh mines a dell dimension 5150
[09:52] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, I have another pc with intel graphics behind me, trying to reproduce
[09:52] <lee__> with the x300 radeon
[09:52] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, I have another Vostro that I am going to try on too
[09:53] <AnRkey> It's pretty close to release date, will they be able to fix this n time?
[09:53] <lee__> pcie and pcie x16
[09:53] <lee__> I hope so
[09:54] <lee__> hmm another thing i noticed right off that bat is i have fast swich
[09:54] <Jordan_U> awalton__, Sabdfl has wanted composite by default since Dapper :)
[09:54] <lee__> for users
[09:54] <awalton__> hah, for that matter, so did I -_-
[09:55] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, I have my doubts about it being ready for gutsy
[09:55] <awalton__> ready or not, here it comes.
[09:55] <Jordan_U> I don't think it will be "ready" until we have redirected direct rendering, but that isn't popular :)
[09:55] <lee__> well after the crash that i had when i enabled the graphics adapter...hmm
[09:56] <lee__> enabled it and got blk screen of death
[09:56] <lee__> bsd not fun
[09:56] <AnRkey>  redirected direct rendering? what the?
[09:57] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, for my display, any ideas?
[09:57] <awalton__> idk either >_<
[09:57] <lee__> hu wahtare you talking about?
[09:57] <awalton__> unless he meant AIGLX
[09:57] <lee__> eh i am running the catylyst
[09:58] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, No idea
[09:58] <scapor> When will the RC be online ?
[09:58] <scapor> seems like part of the Ubuntu website is offline atm :|
[09:59] <avatar_> scapor: i suppose today
[09:59] <lee__> eh i have messaglx
[09:59] <lee__> eh messa glx
[09:59] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, http://hoegsberg.blogspot.com/2007/08/redirected-direct-rendering.html Compiz Fusion may "beat" OS X and Vista's aero, but AIGLX does not, and won't until this is solved IMHO
[09:59] <awalton__> ah that's what you meant.
[10:00] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, thanks, i will give that  read
[10:00] <AnRkey> a read
[10:00] <RAOF> Of course, Xgl provides that already :P
[10:00] <awalton__> yeah that's why I was confused.. I'd never had that problem with Xgl
[10:00] <Jordan_U> RAOF, But the point is to be able to display 3D content correctly AND at > 3 FPS :)
[10:00] <scapor> Doesn't Xgl use more resources ?
[10:00] <awalton__> yes, yes it does.
[10:01] <awalton__> but, it works
[10:01] <lee__> ah heck wi that cuby looking thing it looks like you aught to bwe able to spin it to different selections lol
[10:01] <scapor> I think I'll use it on my new laptop as it has an ATI radeon card
[10:02] <frostburn> lee__, you can
[10:02] <scapor> which is not supported by the open source radeon driver
[10:02] <awalton__> composite-by-default uses xgl on ati machines anyways I'm pretty sure, it setup and configured itself on my machine that way.
[10:02] <lee__> erg.. i can see some bennifits to that
[10:03] <lee__> but hen i see programing difficulties to
[10:03] <scapor> I guess it would be the same to download the daily build of the desktop CD then the RC of todays .. no ?
[10:03] <Jordan_U> awalton__, Nope, no XGL, no Compiz for fglrx users :(
[10:04] <awalton__> sucks for them
[10:04] <scapor> installing xgl on a ati machine makes compiz-by-default work
[10:04] <lee__> THATS WHERE I heard of it...my freind who has vista..and he not happy with it lol...
[10:04] <lee__> eh where can i get xgl?
[10:04] <awalton__> well, at least hardy will be much more.. hardy.. in terms of graphics
[10:05] <RAOF> Jordan_U: My Xgl works on my nvidia card, and planetpenguin racer doesn't suffer much of a performance penalty.
[10:05] <Jordan_U> awalton__, Still won't have redirected direct rendering :(
[10:05] <lee__> actuly at fisrt load my widows were fading and such
[10:05] <scapor> lee_: install package xserver-xgl
[10:05] <awalton__> haha.
[10:06] <lee__> ok this is only a test to see what happens
[10:06] <scapor> lee__: means you had the open source driver in use
[10:06] <lee__> yeah
[10:06] <scapor> lee__: the oss driver can do compiz but is not enough to do games etc
[10:07] <lee__> yeat it was reaking havoc on mysytem..128 meg card and they cut it to 32 megs
[10:07] <Jordan_U> scapor, Depends on the card, for some it's better than fglrx
[10:07] <awalton__> *tear* why can't C have lambda functions
[10:07] <RAOF> awalton__: Eh, it's not so bad.
[10:07] <scapor> Jordan_U: but in lee's case it seems not ;)
[10:07] <awalton__> raof, it's just annoying is all.
[10:07] <RAOF> awalton__: Anonymous functions are overrated
[10:08] <RAOF> awalton__: That's certainly not the *first* thing I'd be complaining about it C :)
[10:08] <lee__> eh whats the propper command line for that lol
[10:08] <awalton__> I loves my C, I just hate building up boilerplate again and again
[10:08] <awalton__> and I'm too lazy to script it all out
[10:08] <scapor> lee__: to install the driver ?
[10:08] <lee__> eh yeah or the xgl
[10:09] <scapor> lee__: apt-get install xserver-xgl
[10:09] <scapor> lee__: but really, it seems like you'd better first learn a bit more before trying such things maybe :)
[10:09] <lee__> 13 permissions denied lol
[10:10] <lee__> eh wait i suduod it
[10:11] <lee__> to ate initiated the string
[10:11] <lee__> eh its ok..iam toying with things see what breaks an what dont
[10:12] <lee__> oooooooooo
[10:12] <lee__> i got a notice...not sure if its good or bad
[10:13] <lee__> eh can i cut and paste the notice i got?
[10:13] <scapor> If it's not more then 2 lines
[10:13] <scapor> otherwise you should use a pastebin
[10:14] <lee__> eh ok
[10:14] <lee__> The Xgl server will now be started automatically next time you login.  It is no longer necessary to use any special X session to start Xgl,
[10:14] <lee__> ok there 2 lines
[10:14] <penguincentral> hi
[10:15] <awalton__> sounds good to me.
[10:15] <awalton__> log out, log back in, see if it works.
[10:15] <lee__> yeppers if you don't se mee i broke lol
[10:15] <scapor> that's normal
[10:15] <scapor> should work now
[10:16] <lee__> but fisrt how do i make sure i come back here lol
[10:16] <lee__> eh ill figure it out lol
[10:19] <tech0007> hi all
[10:20] <tech0007> i compiled drm and openchrome xserver for my X...will I have problems upgrading to gutsy? i'm on feisty?
[10:20] <flo> Hi! I'm since today's update nautilus uses 100% CPU, killing it or reboot doesn't help... any suggestions ?
[10:21] <tech0007> flo...that's normal...that happens almost everyday...it should last only for a few minutes
[10:22] <scapor> tech0007: how come this can be normal ?
[10:22] <flo> tech0007: ok we'll see also my uptime is 30 min now...
[10:22] <awalton__> that doesn't sound anything close to normal
[10:22] <awalton__> anything weird in your Desktop directory?
[10:22] <tech0007> scapor....when i open gnome-monitor...its gnome-update or somethin
[10:23] <scapor> The filemanager is something a user is firstly confronted with so this is some showstopper imho
[10:23] <flo> tech0007: nono, it's nautilus itself
[10:24] <scapor> flo: is it on a specific directory opening ?
[10:24] <scapor> or just on your desktop ?
[10:24] <scapor> (I had a bug with a dir full of videos that never got fixed I think)
[10:24] <flo> scapor: it's at 100% from initial login
[10:24] <awalton__> could be nautilus's thumbnailer, I've seen it do screwy things and eat up a bunch of cycles before.. my immediate thing to jump to is something in your desktop directory that's causing the thumbnailer to crash or act silly.
[10:24] <scapor> it could be a problem with a faulty thumbnailer
[10:25] <scapor> flo: did you add some files to your home or desktop directory of a specific type ?
[10:25] <awalton__> try this as an experiment, move you Desktop to Desktop-backup or something and make a new desktop folder
[10:25] <awalton__> and then restart nautilus
[10:25] <scapor> like a movie or a picture or st ?
[10:26] <flo> scapor: Wow you're the man ! I had a rather large svg file on my desktop, deleted it via cmd line, killed nautilus an dall is fine ;)
[10:26] <awalton__> tada.
[10:26] <tech0007> i compiled drm and openchrome xserver for my X...will I have problems upgrading to gutsy? i'm on feisty.  any idea?
[10:26] <scapor> flo: you better create a bugreport for it
[10:26] <flo> However this should not happen no matter what files you put anywhere
[10:27] <flo> jep
[10:27] <awalton__> this is true
[10:27] <scapor> if you still know where to get a copy from that svg file, send it along with the report
[10:27] <awalton__> the whole nautilus-thumbnailer code could really use a good reworking
[10:27] <kidalabama> hello
[10:27] <flo> i will, i still have it inside a zip file
[10:27] <kidalabama> i have got problem
[10:27] <kidalabama> with movie player
[10:27] <scapor> flo: great! attach it to the bugreport :)
[10:27] <Seeker`> kidalabama: what problem do you have?
[10:28] <rafael__> hello. i wanted to know if i install the ubuntu gutsy the final version everything on my laptop will work... because it works very well on the ubuntu feisty
[10:28] <kidalabama> videos viewing very black
[10:28] <tech0007> flo...there's an option to set max size of file for thumbnail..i think it's 5mb default
[10:28] <scapor> rafael__: normally it should if there are no regressions
[10:28] <kidalabama> Seeker`: videos viewing very black
[10:28] <scapor> rafael__: but noone can say this for sure I guess
[10:28] <Seeker`> have you checked the contrast / brightness
[10:29] <rafael__> scapor, i just ask, because i tried the beta version before, and i have problems with sound and Internet...
[10:29] <lee__> ok Iam back lol
[10:29] <rafael__> scapor, didnt work :(
[10:29] <lee__> its doing soething funky lol
[10:29] <scapor> rafael__: that's bad :|
[10:29] <lee__> I have undlerlined words
[10:30] <lee__> and he double toothpics bad lettering
[10:30] <lee__> lol
[10:30] <rafael__> yes
[10:30] <rafael__> scapor, im worried because i tried the beta and didnt work right
[10:30] <rafael__> =\
[10:30] <scapor> rafael__: I'm gonna try the beta right now
[10:30] <scapor> rafael__: did you report these problems ?
[10:30] <rafael__> scapor, good luck
[10:30] <AnRkey> i am having problems on more than one box running intel graphics
[10:30] <lee__> eh evry other line in hypertext is kinda faded
[10:30] <kidalabama> Seeker`: with totem movie player
[10:30] <wubunt2> can i download the rc even now?
[10:31] <rafael__> scapor, i dont think its necessary, i will wait the final version, possible they fixed it already
[10:31] <scapor> wubunt2: not yet
[10:31] <scapor> rafael__: or not if they didn't know about it :|
[10:31] <scapor> rafael__: let's hope for the best ;)
[10:31] <lee__> Me I am jsut toying with things
[10:31] <tech0007> i compiled drm and openchrome xserver for my X...will I have problems upgrading to gutsy? i'm on feisty.  any idea?
[10:31] <Seeker`> kidalabama: preferences->display
[10:31] <rafael__> scapor, i couldnt report on my gutsy since i didnt have internet. but i will if i find some next time
[10:31] <lee__> ok now for the tset
[10:31] <rafael__> scapor, i hope so
[10:31] <rafael__> :)
[10:31] <Seeker`> kidalabama: then change the brightness / contrast, see if it makes a difference
[10:31] <kidalabama> Seeker`:  very thank you
[10:32] <lee__> ati catlyst has been dissabled
[10:32] <kidalabama> Seeker`:  yes now very good
[10:32] <wubunt2> thanx - i'm trying to get it later. when?
[10:32] <hazelkid> why no ati catlyst?
[10:32] <Seeker`> kidalabama: cool :)
[10:32] <kidalabama> Seeker`:  what is deinterlace ?
[10:32] <lee__> woa
[10:33] <scapor> kidalabama: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinterlacing
[10:33] <scapor> :)
[10:33] <lee__> I treid to cahnge form the screen and got a bulgy looking thingy
[10:33] <scapor> lee__: you seem like .. impressed or something ?
[10:33] <scapor> haha
[10:33] <tech0007> !deinterlace
[10:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about deinterlace - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:33] <scapor> lee__: not really ;)
[10:33] <awalton__> haha, that's a cool bot.
[10:33] <lee__> lol well I toying around lol iam surpiresd
[10:34] <lee__> last tiem i got black screen of death
[10:34] <lee__> this time i didnt
[10:35] <lee__> ok I got it into 1024by 68
[10:35] <kidalabama> Seeker`: very thank yo
[10:35] <lee__> eh make taht 768\
[10:36] <lee__> its really slow to respond though
[10:37] <lee__> hmm i need 85 mhz
[10:37] <lee__> ok going for death now
[10:38] <lee__> going to enable the ati drivers
[10:38] <lee__> death or nt i hitting the hay lol
[10:38] <lee__> night
[10:39] <chx> so, today is RC :) ?
[10:40] <scapor> it's today but not yet there
[10:40] <tech0007> i compiled drm and openchrome xserver for my X...will I have problems upgrading to gutsy? i'm on feisty.. any idea?
[10:40] <scapor> I'm right now installing the daily of yesterday as I couldn't wait :p
[10:41] <Seeker`> what needs to be done before it is RC?
[10:41] <scapor> uploading it I guess ;)
[10:41] <Seeker`> fair enough
[10:42] <chx> I think i will get, well, gutsy and install it on my laptop :)
[10:43] <avatar_> RC is already uploaded
[10:43] <avatar_> it has just to appear in the rigth place :)
[10:45] <Seeker`> how many people here are actually involved in the release etc?
[10:45] <MikeDX> cant wait to try it
[10:45] <Seeker`> i suspect everyone running gutsy already has the RC from updates this morning
[10:45] <chx> avatar_: so if i aptitude dist-upgrade now i will get an RC?
[10:46] <jmg> chx: yes
[10:46] <avatar_> RC iso's were generated yesterday
[10:46] <chx> ah
[10:46] <TheInfinity> hmm
[10:47] <avatar_> so if you apt-get update today you are more current than RC :)
[10:47] <TheInfinity> has somebody an idea why intel hda does not work here?
[10:47] <Seeker`> TheInfinity: I had a problem with that - was missing a package (can't remember which one though)
[10:49] <macogw> are the RC .iso's out yet?
[10:50] <tech0007> what's RC?
[10:50] <awalton__> release candidate
[10:50] <Eq|work> release candidate
[10:50] <awalton__> Eq|work jynx
[10:50] <Eq|work> TheInfinity : what sound chipset? (intel hda has a number of different ones)
[10:50] <Eq|work> awalton__ : pfft :P
[10:51] <awalton__> :D
[10:51] <tech0007> so its not beta anymore?
 RC iso's were generated yesterday
[10:51] <Eq|work> that would tend to imply not
[10:51] <Seeker`> TheInfinity: what do you get if you do "lsmod | grep snd"
[10:51] <MikeDX> well, i suppose technically an rc is a beta
[10:51] <Eq|work> no
[10:51] <tech0007> what?
[10:51] <TheInfinity> Eq|work: the one in mbp rev3
[10:52] <MikeDX> since its for people to find the last bugs before it goes final
[10:52] <MikeDX> rc1 is almost never the final
[10:52] <tech0007> yeah,..i thought it's not due til 17th?
[10:52] <ratpoison> but it's pretty close, unless something drastic happens
[10:54] <macogw> Eq|work: well how long after the iso is made does it take for them to put online
[10:55] <macogw> so does this mean framebuffer won't be working at time of release?
[10:56] <macogw> tech0007: there's nothing going on on the 17th.  today (the 11th) is marked as RC Day in the schedule
[10:57] <MikeDX> oooh does gutsy have the x-server framebuffer project?
[10:58] <macogw> i dont know but the framebuffer modules are not loaded in initrd so there's no working framebuffer, just blank tty
[10:59] <tech0007> macogw...thanks for the info
[10:59] <awalton__> ..that sounds pretty seriously messed.
[10:59] <macogw>  its an easy fix too
[10:59] <macogw> just hasn't been applied
[10:59] <macogw> i think it's along the lines of 1 or 2 lines in an initramfs or initrd config file
[10:59] <awalton__> maybe it's just an oversight?
[11:00] <macogw> there's a bug filed on it
[11:00] <tech0007> macogw...i compiled drm and openchrome xserver...will i have problems upgrading to gutsy...i'm thinking it will overwrite the binaries for my xserver.
[11:00] <macogw> it shows how to turn framebuffer back on
[11:00] <macogw> yours should be in /usr/local
[11:00] <awalton__> well hopefully it should be fixed
[11:00] <macogw> gutsy's would go in /usr/
[11:00] <macogw> as of today it's not
[11:01] <awalton__> when does the RC officially ship today?
[11:01] <macogw> dunno
[11:01] <awalton__> hmph
[11:01] <macogw> as soon as it does though i'm grabbing the torrent and downloading it so i can seed
[11:02] <macogw> oh this apt-get upgrade is going to take all night
[11:02] <macogw> its measuring download speed in bytes again :(
[11:02] <awalton__> :'(
[11:03] <tech0007> :(
[11:03] <macogw> maybe i should go wired :-/
[11:03] <macogw> ive seen the fiber optics here get like 50k/s before though too
[11:03] <awalton__> only 50k/s?
[11:03] <macogw> and with wired i run the risk of disconnecting if the download speed is too high (sky2 module dies)
[11:03] <macogw> yeah
[11:03] <awalton__> wow, where are you?
[11:04] <macogw> sometimes id get 1500k/s
[11:04] <macogw> and sometimes id get 50k/s
[11:04] <macogw> washington, dc
[11:04] <macogw> at the most expensive school in the country
[11:04] <awalton__> scary..
[11:04] <tech0007> can i request for a CD? i did it for feisty? O:-)
[11:04] <macogw> 3 blocks from the IMF and 5 blocks from the White House
[11:04] <awalton__> maybe they just have some weird throttling rules in place?
[11:04] <macogw> idk
[11:05] <awalton__> tech0007 shipit.ubuntu.com they won't send you an RC, but you can get the release gutsy when it's ready.
[11:05] <macogw> they monitor your bandwidth usage, but you have to use like 250GB of bandwidth before they do anything
[11:05] <macogw> there's a known bug on my wired driver where it just dies if you have high throughput
[11:05] <macogw> tech0007: shipit takes about a month to 6 wks
[11:07] <tech0007> i got feisty after a week..i'm requesting one right now..it says they will send me once its released
[11:08] <tech0007> what do i need to install 64-bit ed? 64-bit cpu? board?
[11:08] <awalton__> if you have an AMD64-compatible processor you can install the 64-bit version
[11:08] <pvandewyngaerde> then you wont have easy flash
[11:09] <tech0007> awalton...ok
[11:09] <sbucatino> macogw: mm i am in italy and mmm 4000ks :D always
[11:09] <macogw> pvandewyngaerde: there's a wrapper to make flash work with 64bit firefox
[11:09] <sbucatino> macogw: mm i am in italy and mmm 4000k/s :D always
[11:09] <pvandewyngaerde> i know, but i use gnash
[11:10] <macogw> sbucatino: yeah interwebs in the us are overpricedly slow as compared to parts of europe and asia
[11:10] <macogw> pvandewyngaerde: is that 32bit only? if so, that's silly since it's FOSS
[11:11] <sbucatino> macogw: wifi or what?
[11:12] <macogw> sbucatino: it's $20 a month for *dialup* and like $60 i think for cable internet which is usually like...idk 600kb/s?
[11:12] <macogw> im using wireless right now, yes, but that's because there isn't a good linux driver for wired
[11:13] <macogw> i can't stay connected with a wired connection if i'm downloading anything.  i have to use wireless to download
[11:13] <chx> I have fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc pni monitor vmx est tm2 xtpr can I use 64 bits?
[11:14] <tech0007> chx...what's all that?
[11:14] <awalton__> that's the CPUs feature flags
[11:15] <sbucatino> macogw: i pay 33-34 for telephone and adsl then i i have bought a wifirouter..and so
[11:15] <tech0007> :-$
[11:15] <awalton__> what does the model: line say tech0007
[11:15] <awalton__> *model name:
[11:16] <chx> model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo CPU      L2500  @ 1.83GHz
[11:16] <tech0007> how will i know?
[11:16] <awalton__> oh my bad
[11:16] <awalton__> sorry.
[11:16] <chx> tech0007: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[11:16] <awalton__> yeah, the core duo doesn't support 64-bit
[11:16] <chx> it's a very awkward CPU that's why I listed the cpuflags instead of model name
[11:16] <awalton__> I thought that was a pentium-m based proc.
[11:17] <tech0007> fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm up
[11:17] <chx> my googling says i want "lm" in flags
[11:17] <chx> so no for me and no for tech0007
[11:17] <awalton__> tech's is probably a pentium 4?
[11:17] <tech0007> :-/
[11:17] <tech0007> yup
[11:17] <chx> someone should wizz up a simple app that makes sense of this line
[11:17] <macogw> you need a "core 2" not just "core" for 64bit
[11:18] <awalton__> chx: cpuid
[11:18] <macogw> dont know *why* anyone wants 64bit unless it's their graphical rendering powerhouse workstation
[11:18] <chx> we are restless and want to squeeze out the last drop of juice of the CPU :P
[11:18] <awalton__> *shrug* some people just love the bleeding edge
[11:19] <chx> ahhh cpuid is useful
[11:19] <chx> yes.
[11:19] <macogw> what the heck takes advantage of that many bits?
[11:19] <tech0007> macogw...can i skip xserver update when i do the gutsy upgrade?
[11:19] <awalton__> indeed it is chx
[11:19] <awalton__> macogw long number libraries
[11:19] <tech0007> coz i think i installed the openchrome binaries in /usr...i jst followed the directions
[11:19] <chx> thouigh I bought a backwards laptop, just a CF-Y5 when the Y7 is out exactly because the Y7 uses Core 2 Duo which eats more battery and no thanks I do not need that.
[11:19] <awalton__> that's off the top of my head
[11:20] <macogw> for insane graphics rendering or extraordinarily precise scientific and mathematical computations, 64bits of precision could be used.  what normal person does math involving numbers in the range of 2^8x10^56?
[11:20] <awalton__> eh, I would have went with the core 2 for the 40% performance jump for a 20% battery reduction.
[11:21] <awalton__> haha.. well I did last year on a daily basis..
[11:21] <macogw> O_o are you a physicist?
[11:21] <awalton__> cryptology.
[11:21] <macogw> ah
[11:21] <awalton__> fun stuff.
[11:21] <macogw> are you *sure* you're normal?
[11:21] <chx> I am a PHP developer and *surely*  I need 64 precision for my CMS work :P
[11:22] <awalton__> I think so
[11:22] <chx> the only reason is I need an FPU is, I believe, compiz :)
[11:22] <jmg> haha
[11:22] <macogw> my knowledge of encryption: if you use too good of it, like 4096+ bit, the government comes knocking
[11:22] <macogw> chx: what's fpu?
[11:22] <chx> and the occasional HD movie...
[11:23] <awalton__> floating point unit
[11:23] <jmg> macogw: where?
[11:23] <macogw> jmg: usa
[11:23] <jmg> awalton__: i also work on crypto
[11:23] <chx> macogw: come on, even in the USA they stopped that many years ago
[11:23] <macogw> 4096bit?
[11:23] <jmg> yeah, clinton did
[11:23] <jmg> removed all restrictions on crypto
[11:23] <macogw> i know you can now export very high encryption levels
[11:23] <awalton__> thank goodness
[11:24] <chx> I do remember the time when PGP was exported ... on printed paper if I remember correctly
[11:24] <macogw> but if your communications are in the form of NSA-style-encrypted packets and you don't work for the NSA, they get suspicious
[11:24] <macogw> chx: yes, bound in a book
[11:25] <jmg> macogw: oh sure, if you were making suite a calls im sure they would send out the unmarked helicopters
[11:25] <chx> I was laughing so hard when the PGPi project came around
[11:25] <jmg> but maybe you forget the NSA provided suite B so americans could secure their private communications
[11:25] <jmg> :)
[11:26] <jmg> (thats probably because they can break it all in realtime)
[11:26] <macogw> heh
[11:26] <jmg> seriously
[11:26] <jmg> you can see the amount of heat put out by the puzzle palace
[11:26] <awalton__> I dunno about realtime, but I'm sure they can break it
[11:26] <jmg> in the weather system
[11:26] <jmg> :)
[11:27] <reverseblade> I am getting frequent freezes
[11:27] <macogw> well if you use normal levels of encryption like 128, 256, 512, 1024.....theyre not *that* high and so theyd just assume you're a private person and ignore it
[11:27] <chx> moev to the south
[11:27] <chx> I did that , I am in Malaga currently and planningto go to Eilat in Nov or Dec
[11:27] <reverseblade> When I am using nvidia drivers I am getting frequent freezes does anyone know why ?
[11:27] <chx> I can't stand freezes
[11:27] <jmg> macogw: it takes cryptanalysis to even tell the key length.
[11:27] <macogw> there is a point though, where you just look at someone and say "you HAVE to be hiding something"
[11:27] <macogw> oh really?
[11:27] <jmg> yeah
[11:28] <awalton__> yeah it does.
[11:28] <jmg> if thats all your varyung
[11:28] <jmg> and its a symmetric cipher
[11:28] <awalton__> its not like you can just look at some data and say it's encrypted..
[11:28] <awalton__> that's the idea
[11:28] <jmg> the key length is secret
[11:28] <macogw> ok then im dumb and so is whoever told me that
[11:28] <jmg> macogw: marijuana?
[11:28] <jmg> :)
[11:28] <awalton__> hahaha
[11:28] <awalton__> the ganja told me
[11:28] <jmg> :p
[11:28] <tech0007> been great talkin w/ u guyz..gtg
[11:28] <JimQode> Gutsy test reporting page iso.qa.stgraber.org does not work!
[11:29] <macogw> i *think* Spec told me that
[11:29] <jmg> JimQode: its overloaded and crashed
[11:29] <macogw> and he's at Open Minds in Indiana
[11:30] <JimQode> jmg, wow that means it's not very important to enter my test results. there must be thousands :)
[11:30] <jmg> macogw: what is known, is pretty much every single communication can be intercepted point and click now. but first they have to have a reason to snoop
[11:30] <awalton__> or so we hope
[11:30] <jmg> keyword filters cant detect crypto
[11:31] <jmg> those Narus things are scary
[11:31] <macogw> keyword filters?
[11:31] <macogw> narus?
[11:31] <Stevethepirate> y0
[11:32] <jmg> macogw: well we pretty much think they filter for keywords like
[11:32] <awalton__> narus is the company that built those router-room deep-packet-inspectors
[11:32] <Stevethepirate> gutsy crashed for me whil update.... now i tried a dpkg --configure -a
[11:32] <jmg> bomb, terrorist etc
[11:32] <macogw> jmg: oh like in the bourne ultimatum
[11:32] <macogw> when they're on the phone
[11:32] <jmg> or ones that terrorists would actually use
[11:32] <jmg> yeah
[11:32] <awalton__> very similar yearh
[11:32] <Stevethepirate> since all the packages were downloaded, and it gives me a acpid dependancy error
[11:32] <macogw> supposedly some phone companies really do that
[11:32] <jmg> yes its filmed as a documentary
[11:32] <awalton__> at&t really does
[11:32] <jmg> that is a known known
[11:32] <macogw> if so, i wouldnt be surprised if verizon does
[11:32] <jmg> as1 is tapped
[11:33] <jmg> uunet is tapped
[11:33] <jmg> worldcom
[11:33] <jmg> all have dcsnet routers
[11:33] <awalton__> your world. tapped. AT&T.
[11:33] <jmg> cisco
[11:33] <MikeDX> you americans...
[11:34] <MikeDX> first you vote for george bush, then you say you didnt
[11:34] <awalton__> pfft, it doesn't matter what us americans vote
[11:34] <Stevethepirate> sighs.. is this #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu+offtopic ?
[11:34] <Stevethepirate> !offtopic
[11:34] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[11:34] <Stevethepirate> thought so
[11:34] <Stevethepirate> so, can someone help me fix my rather urgent problem
[11:34] <MikeDX> not now, no
[11:35] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[11:35] <macogw> MikeDX: i wasnt old enough at the time, so i swear i didn't
[11:35] <jmg> MikeDX: dont you mean
[11:35] <jmg> first you vote for al gore
[11:35] <jmg> then diebold changes your vote to bush
[11:35] <jmg> ?
[11:35] <Stevethepirate> Watch the documentary "Hacking Democracy"
[11:35] <awalton__> hahaha, so sad, so true.
[11:35] <MikeDX> im not saying anything as this isnt #ubuntu+offtopic......
[11:35] <Stevethepirate> yeah.. diebold <<
[11:35] <Stevethepirate> luls
[11:36] <jmg> you know
[11:36] <jmg> theres not much the national guard could do about a million people with hammers
[11:36] <jmg> if you all went to washington
[11:36] <jmg> you could knock the place down
[11:36] <Stevethepirate> one nuke
[11:36] <Stevethepirate> all gone
[11:36] <awalton__> sure there is, haven't you seen that new pain-wave weapon?
[11:36] <MikeDX> death ray
[11:36] <awalton__> ready, aim, fire.
[11:37] <Stevethepirate> americans < *, since they chose Bush
[11:37] <jmg> oh yeah like they're going to davy crockett washington
[11:37] <awalton__> million people hit the ground screaming in agony
[11:37] <jmg> as funny as that would be
[11:37] <Stevethepirate> I mean.. did you guys see that digg article .. about one of his speeches
[11:37] <jmg> awalton__: millimeter wave guns?
[11:37] <chx> indeed i can't really understand why people are not in masses on the streets of Washington from day to day
[11:37] <Stevethepirate> it was uploaded to the UN
[11:37] <jmg> awalton__: i think you can reflect the beams
[11:37] <sbucatino> ehm ehm who can see this and would tell if it is understandble?
[11:37] <sbucatino> http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=VtIa3xw2s3w
[11:37] <jmg> chx: apathy
[11:37] <jmg> chx: and the fact they'd en masse be declared enemy combatants
[11:37] <awalton__> with what? everyone's going to have to walk around in 3 inch armor, or a mm of lead..
[11:38] <Stevethepirate> it still had "Written by ...." and all the long words were written out phoenitcaly
[11:38] <awalton__> it'd still take a lot more in the way of preparation...
[11:38] <jmg> awalton__: also those weapons are prototypes
[11:38] <Stevethepirate> lol.. www.sickipedia.org >>
[11:38] <Stevethepirate> some of the bush jokes are imba
[11:38] <awalton__> jmg: the only reason they're prototypes is we haven't found a good reason to use them yet.
[11:39] <jmg> awalton__: that category of crowd control has been around for ages, but no dictator has used it
[11:39] <jmg> ever heard of a subsonic driver?
[11:39] <Stevethepirate> Yes, they do work..
[11:39] <Stevethepirate> you can simulate the effect with lots of speakers
[11:39] <Stevethepirate> that operate in the > 20khz range
[11:40] <jmg> yup
[11:40] <awalton__> I just hope it never comes to needing to do that..
[11:40] <Stevethepirate> outside human hearing as a single frequncy..
[11:40] <Stevethepirate> but rapes you.
[11:40] <Stevethepirate> jmg: we simulated some at my dads work..
[11:40] <jmg> awalton__: i imagine if it did come to that
[11:40] <Stevethepirate> got 19.2 kW of sound equipment
[11:40] <Stevethepirate> and tried it out
[11:40] <Stevethepirate> one dude vomitted
[11:40] <awalton__> and loosened your bowels.
[11:40] <jmg> the rebels would get some antirad RPGs gifted by their friend hugo chavez
[11:40] <Stevethepirate> was awesomeness
[11:41] <awalton__> hah, I don't even want to think about another us revolution -_-
[11:41] <jmg> awalton__: hopefully it wont come to that, if al gore wins the nobel prize
[11:42] <awalton__> hahaha...
[11:42] <macogw> chx: are you french?
[11:42] <jmg> i cant wait to read condi's book when this is over
[11:42] <Stevethepirate> sighs..
[11:42] <macogw> jmg: ...for inventing the internet
[11:42] <Stevethepirate> anyone here read Trudi Canavan?
[11:43] <awalton__> I want to read Powell's book: "Why I was a Scapegoat"
[11:43] <jmg> awalton__: have you heard of Fortunate Son?
[11:43] <awalton__> nope
[11:43] <macogw> as in CCR?
[11:43] <jmg> it was a book that got banned
[11:43] <jmg> and all copies destroye
[11:43] <jmg> d
[11:43] <jmg> about george bush
[11:43] <Stevethepirate> I think i have an ebook of that..
[11:43] <Stevethepirate> seriously..
[11:44] <macogw> like that ever happens
[11:44] <awalton__> oh wonderful, we're burning books.
[11:44] <macogw> *someone* always saves a copy
[11:44] <Stevethepirate> Nazi regime 1010
[11:44] <macogw> it's like...a rule
[11:44] <sbucatino> plz could someone tell me if this video is understandble http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=VtIa3xw2s3w
[11:44] <jmg> macogw: it got leaked to the administration before it got published and they got a court order to prevent publication
[11:44] <Stevethepirate> I would.. but my X has phailed due to gutsy fucking out...
[11:44] <awalton__> it's a rule of the internet: rule #106, put something on the internet, google will always have it.
[11:45] <macogw> heh yes
[11:45] <macogw> and if google doesnt, the internet archive does
[11:45] <jmg> macogw: try and find Salmon Days, the internet tv series from 2002
[11:46] <Axiom> Any good Game Developer's in here?
[11:46] <Tm_T> er?
[11:46] <chx> macogw: Currently I consider myself without a nationality. I am originally from Hungary, I travel Europe while waiting from my Canadian PR visa.
[11:46] <awalton__> developers. not posessive. /grammar-nazi
[11:46] <Axiom> Private Message me, if you are a good GGame Developer please.
[11:46] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, I have fixed my problem with my intel graphics by booting the previous kernel
[11:46] <jmg> developers developers developers
[11:47] <jmg> developers developers developers developers
[11:47] <AnRkey> shut up balmer
[11:47] <Tm_T> jmg: you can stop now
[11:48] <AnRkey> :P
[11:48] <macogw> chx: oh ok.  we were studying french gov in class last week and the prof said the distrust of their gov is what leads the french to protest so much.  they figure that going through the proper channels wont work because of corruptsion
[11:48] <awalton__> at least the french are willing to protest
[11:48] <AnRkey> macogw, much like our south african gov
[11:49] <AnRkey> our president thinks hiv has nothing to do with aids
[11:49] <chx> macogw: corruption is one of the reasons I am leaving the country i was unfortunately born in
[11:49] <awalton__> that's funny, so does ours.
[11:49] <AnRkey> rofl
[11:49] <AnRkey> rock on is what i say
[11:50] <sbucatino> !ot
[11:50] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[11:50] <bazhang> Previous problems for K3b and Konversation not working after a short period with Compiz-Fusion are resolved with turning c-f off and then on again.
[12:00] <Arafangion> Hey, does Upstart come with its dependencies by default? Because I downloaded it and checked the various INSTALL/README/etc files, then did the ./configure && make && make install dance (with a few other flags).
[12:14] <sirrus> How can I make audacious play .ogg and .mp3 internet radios? It keeps complaining that either codecs aren't present, or aren't enabled. I installed both the bad and ugly variants of gstreamer
[12:15] <awalton__> do you not have libmad installed?
[12:15] <awalton__> audacious doesn't use gstreamer
[12:16] <sirrus> It should play .ogg files fine, shouldn't it?
[12:16] <sirrus> because it complains even when using an .ogg stream
[12:17] <sirrus> btw libmad is installed
[12:17] <awalton__> hmph
[12:18] <awalton__> do any other players stream correctly or is it just audacious?
[12:18] <sirrus> it's just audacious - both amarok and rhytmbox play the streams fine
[12:19] <awalton__> weird, but at least that narrows the field..
[12:19] <sirrus> this might be a gutsy-related bug, as I had no problem playing these streams on feisty
[12:20] <bazhang> streaming radio works fine here too--maybe an Audacious problem
[12:20] <sirrus> probably
[12:20] <awalton__> you should probably file a bug with them on launchpad
[12:21] <sirrus> anyway, thanks a lot for your input
[12:21] <awalton__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/audacious/
[12:21] <sirrus> awalton__: Yeah, I'll do that
[12:21] <awalton__> sorry I'm not much help other than that
[12:23] <sirrus> no problem - as long as I can play the streams, I'm fine. :) Thanks for your time anyway.
[12:23] <awalton__> always welcome.
[12:31] <jo1> whenever i leave my pc alone for a while or manually 'suspend' the session, when i try to log back in i get a yellow msg at the top "   Linu" and cannot get back in without a hard reboot - any help?
[12:33] <jscinoz> Hey guys, have any of you guys ever used an application callled Falcon Repository builder
[12:40] <compwiz18> jscinoz, yes
[12:41] <jo1> whenever i leave my pc alone for a while or manually 'suspend' the session, when i try to log back in i get a yellow msg at the top "   Linu" and cannot get back in without a hard reboot - any help?
[12:41] <compwiz18> is anyone else having issues with random programs not taking keyboard input? like they work for a while, and then they suddenly stop responding to keyboard input, even though mouse input works fine...
[12:41] <jscinoz> compwiz, can you run "falcon scan" correctly? mine throws a bunch of errors, i'll paste bin them just now
[12:41] <sbucatino> jo1: your bios are not so much supported
[12:42] <bazhang> compwiz18 yes, using compiz-fusion K3b.
[12:42] <sbucatino> jo1: is not supported :D
[12:42] <compwiz18> bazhang, I'm using gnome with metacity
[12:42] <jo1> sbucatino: lol not good, how can i fix it?
[12:42] <jscinoz> my laptop does a similar thing to jo1, the yellow Linux message, but it then resumes corectly, alibeit with super slow hardware accel
[12:42] <bazhang> totally unrelated then
[12:43] <compwiz18> jscinoz, ok, give me the link
[12:43] <jscinoz> compwiz18, heres the error "falcon scan" throws http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/40244/
[12:43] <jo1> jscinoz: how do you get back in? mine just does nothing after that black screen yellow msg?
[12:43] <Tominator> hi
[12:43] <bazhang> hi
[12:43] <Tominator> does somebody know when the rc comes out? :)
[12:43] <jscinoz> jo1, mine just continues resuming after the Yellow linux message,
[12:43] <jscinoz> jo1, but hardware accel is very slow after resuming
[12:44] <compwiz18> jscinoz, weird error, I have no idea what the problem is, sorry
[12:44] <jscinoz> like unusably slow
[12:44] <jscinoz> >_<
[12:44] <jo1> jscinoz: how are you managing it? do you just end up rebooting anyway or just carry on as is?
[12:45] <sbucatino> jo1: EH it's not so easy have you a laptop?
[12:45] <bazhang> RC should be today 10/11
[12:45] <jo1> sbucatino: yes a compaq? big problem?
[12:45] <sbucatino> jo1: i have a solution maybe (maybe) but i need of sometime to find out
[12:46] <jscinoz> jo1, i end up rebooting, as my system is running compiz the whole thing is too slow to use after a resume
[12:46] <sbucatino> jo1: and you think is in italian so i must translate...you must be patient
[12:46] <jo1> sbucatino: erm i need to pop out for a little while, how can i get back in touch with you?
[12:46] <cyrano> Hi. I'm having touble with Open Office... is this a known bug of the last update?
[12:46] <cyrano> or is it me or something i have done...
[12:46] <jo1> sbucatino: i dont mind waiting or giving you an email address?
[12:47] <compwiz18> cyrano, what is your problem exactly?
[12:47] <sbucatino> jo1: minuti23@libero.it
[12:47] <cyrano> the splash screen shows up and then it just hangs
[12:47] <cyrano> i get the titlebar only and have to forcequit
[12:48] <jo1> i will email you now, please send me the solution by reply, many thanks to you
[12:48] <sbucatino> jo1: i repeat maybe it will work i am not sure !
[12:49] <jo1> no problem, still worth trying to learn
[12:49] <cyrano> I tried to run openoffice in terminal and this is my output:
[12:49] <jscinoz> hey guys, im trying to create a repository using falcon, however when i run "falcon scan" it crashes, here is the output http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/40244/ any idea how i can fix this?
[12:49] <cyrano> X-Error: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)
[12:49] <cyrano>         Major opcode: 53 (X_CreatePixmap)
[12:49] <cyrano>         Resource ID:  0x4c00538
[12:49] <cyrano>         Serial No:    8558 (8558)
[12:49] <cyrano> These errors are reported asynchronously,
[12:49] <cyrano> set environment variable SAL_SYNCHRONIZE to 1 to help debugging
[12:49] <cyrano> sorry for posting in channel. forgot the pastebin
[12:50] <compwiz18> jscinoz, btw you might try posting the bug report at that url
[12:50] <jscinoz> I will
[12:51] <compwiz18> this keyboard thing is annoying me though
[12:51] <compwiz18> the weird thing is, in pidgin, the animated keyboard icons animates when I type, stops when I don't, even though no text goes in the box (this is using the custom status box)
[12:54] <jscinoz> compwiz18, im quite sure that icon is shown when the other person is typing, not you.
[12:55] <cyrano> compwiz18: can you help me? I'm at work and need office to work (using abiword as an replacement right now
[12:55] <jscinoz> compiz18, found a fix for the bug i had at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/falcon/+bug/124154
[12:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124154 in falcon "falcon failed when doing a scan" [Undecided,Fix released] 
[12:59] <stefg> Do we have a release candidate iso to test yet ?
[01:00] <compwiz18> jscinoz, good
[01:00] <compwiz18> cyrano, I can't help you, sorry :( I don't know much about open office
[01:01] <darkzero> morning all
[01:02] <bazhang> morning
[01:02] <Demize> Hi
[01:02] <jscinoz> compwiz, argh it worked the first time, but the error came back and the same fix doesnt work now >_<
[01:03] <darkzero> So anyone here have problems with sound while play a cd or playing a video file?
[01:04] <darkzero> when playing mp3, it sounded like a bass in the background
[01:06] <bazhang> darkzero have you checked the mixer controls?
[01:06] <darkzero> sound problem also appear when playing mkv and ogn video file which the sound work on the left side
[01:07] <darkzero> yeah
[01:07] <bazhang> darkzero in kde it's called kmix; not sure about gnome--you can adjust speaker balance, pcm and so on.
[01:08] <bastid_raZor> speaking of sound.. i just noticed my sound card now claims to be unconfigured after gutsy upgrade
[01:08] <darkzero> any subjection on mkv and ogn video sound
[01:12] <Demize> I'm upgrading now!
[01:12] <Demize> Bye.
[01:13] <bazhang> darkzero I don't know if those problems precisely, but a large number of folks have been reporting issues from very faint sound, no sound, and no sound card recognized--which driver are you using? alsa/oss/other?
[01:14] <bazhang> darkzero I had the no sound issue until the latest kernel upgrade, and then they went away--don't know the precise reason; sorry can't be of more assistance..
[01:14] <darkzero> well, the mix didn't help
[01:15] <jscinoz> gah are there any programs similar to falcon for building a repository, falcon just wont work
[01:16] <maxb_> Is there any documentation anywhere that explains what else happens in the magic upgrader tool, compared to an "apt-get dist-upgrade", or is it just a case of "use the source" ?
[01:16] <bazhang> darkzero you'll likely have better luck if you come back in awhile--when the couple of sound experts show up. Cheers!
[01:16] <darkzero> lol
[01:17] <bazhang> and one arrives as I speak..
[01:18] <darkzero> so, gutsy rc1 releasing today
[01:18] <compwiz18> really?
[01:18] <bazhang> supposed to be
[01:19] <compwiz18> cool
[01:19] <maxb_> Does the absence of manual upgrade instructions from the "GutsyUpgrades" wiki page mean upgrading with apt-get is even less recommended that it was for previous releases?
[01:20] <darkzero> they have a week left and hope they fix all the bug before release next week
[01:20] <bazhang> ;}
[01:21] <darkzero> unless the they will delay the release for November
[01:21] <compwiz18> I should go file a bug report for my typing problem I guess
[01:24] <bushwakko> my sound doesn't work on my macbook pro c2d... modprobe snd_hda_intel says: [  808.102471]  HDA Intel: probe of 0000:00:1b.0 failed with error -16
[01:27] <sbucatino> bushwakko: lspci
[01:27] <sbucatino> !paste
[01:27] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:27] <darkzero> seem like develope got their hands full
[01:27] <bazhang> bushwakko  check out www.ubuntu-tutorials.com  the guy there is installing k/ubuntu on his mac notebook, and will definitely know about it. Cheers!
[01:27] <cyclonut> any tips on random kernel panics?
[01:27] <bazhang> gotta go. bye!
[01:28] <bushwakko> it worked with the 22 kernel when i followed this thing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller
[01:28] <bushwakko> but that doesn't work on my 2.6.23 kernel
[01:28] <compwiz18> I found something in my syslog related to an iwconfig bug:
[01:29] <compwiz18> Oct 11 10:04:05 linux kernel: [ 4909.813152]  Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000018 RIP:
[01:29] <compwiz18> does that look like something I should file a bug report on?
[01:30] <bastid_raZor> how does one downgrade back from gutsy?
[01:30] <compwiz18> go to cdimage.ubuntu.com and click feisty :)
[01:31] <compwiz18> there isn't a trick to it as far as I know
[01:31] <bastid_raZor> i guess that wasn't the answer i was looking for
[01:31] <compwiz18> yeah...
[01:31] <compwiz18> I figured
[01:31] <compwiz18> but afaik that is the answer :S
[01:31] <darkzero> you know, I think they should use feisty hardware code and transfer it to gutsy so many people don't have any problem except for bugs that is
[01:33] <cyclonut> darkzero: "you know, I think they should just throw out any improvements they made while working on gutsy the past six months"
or just forcous on new engine or design
[01:39] <Whoopie> allbert: hi, did you try uswsusp again?
[01:46] <bas> i have a problem with my wifi config
[01:47] <bas> i'm using the rt61pci drivers with wpa_supplicant
[01:47] <bas> this setup works, just not when i boot the machine
[01:47] <bas> somehow i get a list of authentications and deauthentications in the syslog
[01:48] <bas> and not until i manually restart networking (via the init.d script)
[01:48] <bas> networking is working again
[01:48] <bas> so, why is my card authenticating an deauthenticating with my AP?
[01:51] <MattJ> Hi, I'm trying to set up a network printer in Gutsy
[01:52] <bastid_raZor> Hi, i'm trying to set up gutsy in gutsy
[01:52] <MattJ> As far as I know it is set up right, but when I print, the job status changes to "Held"
[01:52] <MattJ> Right-click->Release changes it to "Processing" and then a second later it changes back to "Held"
[02:01] <effie_jayx> does anybody know how the new Screen and Graphics menu works...
[02:01] <effie_jayx> I Can't use my laptop on video beams anymore
[02:01] <effie_jayx> :S
[02:01] <effie_jayx> I plug it in.
[02:02] <effie_jayx> and One I activate the second screen
[02:02] <effie_jayx> the resolution on the main screen becomes
[02:02] <effie_jayx> 640 X 480
[02:04] <effie_jayx> and I can't give talks like that :S
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> then come here? helpful
[02:06] <Almindor> hey guys, how do you properly add new partition to fstab? I guess manual editing isn't the way of today?
[02:07] <sbucatino> #ubuntu-it-chat
[02:07] <savvas> Almindor: you have the pysdm package
[02:07] <friend2GNU> anyone get 80-100 percent cpu usage on xorg during video playback while compiz is on
[02:07] <friend2GNU> it only occurs when the video is not in fullscreen mode
[02:08] <savvas> Almindor: logically, you have that ability while doing an installation of ubuntu
[02:08] <Almindor> savvas, aha ok, thanks, btw what are those odd "identifier strings" in fstab?
[02:08] <Almindor> sacater, disks/partitions can change runtime too :)
[02:08] <Almindor> hups
[02:08] <Almindor> @savvas
[02:09] <friend2GNU> i've tested totem,vlc,mplayer,and xine. the issue can be reproduced everytime
[02:11] <savvas> Almindor: it's best that you read the manual, man fstab :)
[02:12] <Almindor> savvas, the first field is supposed to be the device
[02:12] <Almindor> savvas, UUID is new to me, udev thingy?
[02:13] <savvas> Almindor: those are unique identifiers
[02:13] <savvas> e.g. to be certain it's the same device on /dev/sda
[02:14] <Almindor> ah ok, that's nice
[02:14] <savvas> Almindor: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131
[02:14] <Almindor> it wasn't in some older distroes
[02:14] <savvas> ls /dev/disk/by-uuid -alh
[02:15] <Almindor> yeah, thanks for the info :)
[02:15] <savvas> n/p ;)
[02:24] <ximal> HELP ! lol
[02:24] <ximal> anyone noticed how to make a mouse click... my touchpad on my laptop is not working now
[02:24] <ximal> I can move my mouse but now it's not clicking i should say..
[02:25] <ximal> bah
[02:25] <ximal> going to reboot
[02:25] <ximal> quit
[02:28] <advancedonsite> hi guys
[02:28] <advancedonsite> ive recently installed updates into my T61 ibm laptop for gutsy and now no sound is working but i do hear sound when i login just no music allowed i also noticed ESD ALSA and PULSE AUDIO is installed
[02:28] <sharperguy> is it just me or does the free flash player sound a bit to much like Ganesh?
[02:29] <advancedonsite> I read the topic to rebuild alsa from source and that went successful but still the resource is busy
[02:29] <advancedonsite> any ideas
[02:29] <`Matir> sharperguy, I believe the free flash player is Ganesh
[02:29] <`Matir> err, Gnash
[02:30] <sharperguy> Matir, yeah i know but it sound a lot like Ganesj (the hindu god with the Elephant head)
[02:30] <`Matir> ahhh
[02:30] <`Matir> lol
[02:30] <`Matir> sorry
[02:34] <cyrano> can anybody recommend me a good site with themes and stuff for Gnome, except gnomelook.org?
[02:38] <compwiz18> cyrano, try googling gnome art
[02:39] <IdleOne> !eyecandy | cyrano
[02:39] <ubotu> cyrano: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[02:48] <vmlinuz`> is there realplayer for gutsy?
[02:50] <ximal> anyone mind telling me the storage spot for irssi ?
[02:51] <ximal> i can't find it and i wish to alter some of the files..
[02:51] <scizzo-> ximal: probably in your .irssi
[02:51] <scizzo-> ximal: folder that is
[02:52] <ximal> umm i meant to entire path i might find it under
[02:53] <ximal> scizzo : i dunno how to find it under folder view ... terminal is easy
[02:53] <scizzo-> aa....you are hidding hidden files?
[02:53] <ximal> unsure
[02:54] <ximal> i haven't gotten this far into buntu or linux yet ..
[02:54] <scizzo-> press Ctrl+H
[02:54] <ximal> new to the scene again..
[02:54] <scizzo-> or go to View-> Show hidden files
[02:55] <ximal> it's set to show hidden already.. hmm
[02:55] <scizzo-> well its in your homedir
[02:56] <ximal> like/home or /ximal ?
[02:56] <scizzo-> cd /home/ximal/
[02:56] <Pici> ximal: What kind of files do you want to modify?
[02:56] <scizzo-> and then cd .irssi
[02:56] <ximal> found it
[02:57] <ximal> thanks m8
[02:58] <scizzo-> np
[02:59] <ximal> i'm trying to find the connect dialog so i can edit the on-join for irssi to auto join this chan the off topic and basic buntu channel and send msg identify commands..
[02:59] <ximal> but the howt0 is not working for me.. the commands i used i mean.. i don't autojoin shiot..
[02:59] <scizzo-> ximal: www.irssi.org
[03:00] <ximal> i love standard responses..
[03:00] <ximal> go here... read....
[03:00] <ximal> lol
[03:01] <scizzo-> ximal: well......usually someone has done it before so.. :P
[03:01] <Pici> ximal: That should be in ~/.irssi/config
[03:02] <ximal> yeah
[03:02] <ximal> but i don't see any autocmdsend or anything
[03:02] <ximal> all the alterations i did aren't even there
[03:02] <Pici> What alterations did you make?
[03:04] <ximal> i did the howto thing..
[03:04] <ximal> going to go back and see what i can do..
[03:04] <ximal> maybe i didn'tg read it properly..
[03:05] <ximal> going to check it again.. and open a seperate irssi terminal
[03:05] <Pici> ximal: #irssi also excists, I've found it to be somewhat active.
[03:08] <Paddy_EIRE> Hey guys does the Gutsy Beta upgrade to the new release when its out
[03:09] <Pici> Paddy_EIRE: yes
[03:09] <Paddy_EIRE> Pici, nice one
[03:09] <Pici> !final | Paddy_EIRE
[03:09] <ubotu> Paddy_EIRE: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[03:13] <Paddy_EIRE> hey Pici I cant find a download link for gutsy beta
[03:13] <ximal> gotta love the people in an irssi channel who can't offer script and join command help
[03:13] <Paddy_EIRE> ximal, a lot of arragant a**holes in their
[03:13] <Seeker`> Paddy_EIRE: I think the beta isos have been withdrawn to make way for rc1, which is (meant to be) released today
[03:13] <Paddy_EIRE> ok
[03:14] <Paddy_EIRE> any ideas when
[03:14] <Seeker`> ximal: you having problems?
[03:14] <Seeker`> Paddy_EIRE: personally, no
[03:14] <bastid_raZor> cdimage.ubuntu.com has them still
[03:14] <ximal> yeah seeker
[03:14] <Seeker`> ximal: what problems?
[03:14] <ximal> i'm using irssi and trying to figure out some junk
[03:14] <ximal> like on connect .. how to auto boot my irc.freenode.net every time..
[03:15] <ximal> like when i hit irssi in terminal .. i want it to auto join freenode and buntu+1 buntu and buntuofftopic and identify me shortly after..
[03:15] <ximal> that's all i want..
[03:16] <Paddy_EIRE> bastid_raZor, there seems to be only dvd images available
[03:16] <Seeker`> ximal: http://irssi.org/documentation/startup#c3
[03:16] <CorpusCallosum> hi everyone i have a small problem
[03:16] <atlfalcons866> whats the default file system in gutsy
[03:16] <Tm_T> ext3 ?
[03:16] <ximal> trying that now Seeker : thanks m8..
[03:16] <Paddy_EIRE> Tm_T, I would assume ext3
[03:16] <Seeker`> CorpusCallosum: what is the problem?
[03:16] <CorpusCallosum> related to php mysql apache, normally i setup yesterday and worked fine
[03:17] <Tm_T> Paddy_EIRE: I know its ext3 =)
[03:17] <CorpusCallosum> but after the restarting my computer it didnt work
[03:17] <Pici> !beta | Paddy_EIRE
[03:17] <ubotu> Paddy_EIRE: Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at  http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+1
[03:17] <Paddy_EIRE> Tm_T, ext4 is still marked dev
[03:17] <bastid_raZor> Paddy_EIRE: that is all i see too.. guess the cdimages are gone :\
[03:17] <CorpusCallosum> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart i wrote that command bot didnt fix
[03:17] <Seeker`> CorpusCallosum: define "didn't work"?
[03:17] <atlfalcons866> why not jfs
[03:17] <Hobbsee> bastid_raZor: Paddy_EIRE what are you looking for?
[03:17] <Paddy_EIRE> atlfalcons866, why jfs ;)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Paddy_EIRE: help test rc1 for us, please.
[03:17] <Paddy_EIRE> Hobbsee, cd image of the ubuntu beta
[03:17] <bastid_raZor> Paddy_EIRE: but then again i have the cd version of the iso already.
[03:17] <CorpusCallosum> Seeker`: didnt work means cant see the page on my localhost
[03:17] <atlfalcons866> jfs has dynamic inode allocation and its journaling is faster than ext3
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Paddy_EIRE: https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/
[03:18] <Paddy_EIRE> atlfalcons866, if they dont use it then there would be a good reason why
[03:18] <Seeker`> CorpusCallosum: any error messages when trying to access it? what about when you tried to restart the server?
[03:18] <bastid_raZor> Hobbsee: my gutsy upgrade is yet to work correctly.. tzdata issues .. apt-get seems to hate me now
[03:18] <Pici> Is RC1 out?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Pici: no.  note the testing page.
[03:18] <CorpusCallosum> Seeker`: 403 Forbidden
[03:19] <Pici> Hobbsee: Okay I just wanted to double check :)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Pici: but, if those are good, they will be the RC
[03:19] <atlfalcons866> is ext4 in gutsy
[03:19] <Seeker`> CorpusCallosum: that probably means that the permissions in your web directory are wrong
[03:19] <Hobbsee> (i think that they are, so they should end up being the RC)
[03:19] <Seeker`> CorpusCallosum: or at least, thats the first thing I would check
[03:19] <Blinny> Why would Gutsy not like my 3c905b card after first boot? I'm already trying acpi=off noapic nolapic -- lspci shows the device and lsmod shows the modules, but no love.
[03:19] <Paddy_EIRE> Hobbsee, what is this all about https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/test/1025 should I go for the live session.. and is it installable as before
[03:19] <CorpusCallosum> but yesterday it worked interesting Seeker`
[03:19] <Pici> Hobbsee: I just wanted to know if we needed to change/add the factoids for it :)
[03:20] <Seeker`> CorpusCallosum: *shrugs* no idea why it would change
[03:20] <Hobbsee> Pici: not yet
[03:20] <Hobbsee> Paddy_EIRE: live session test is basically "does it run in the session part, and does it have any bugs?"
[03:21] <Hobbsee> i think there's info linked form there on what the tests are
[03:21] <Bereanone> Help a noobie with total system lockup/crash  Gutsy
[03:21] <Poromenos> How do I enable the ssh server in gutsy?
[03:22] <Seeker`> Poromenos: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[03:22] <Poromenos> Seeker`: do i need to enable other repositories?
[03:22] <Stevethepirate> hi. installed gutsy, but on startup, get a "ubuntu cannot detect graphics card and screen" so its in low graphics mode...
[03:22] <Seeker`> Poromenos: not that I am aware of
[03:22] <Blinny> Poromenos: I've used 'update-rc.d' to add daemons at different runlevels
[03:22] <Poromenos> Seeker`: ah, thanks
[03:23] <bastid_raZor> dpkg: error processing tzdata (--configure):
[03:23] <bastid_raZor>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10.. how might i fix that?
[03:23] <Seeker`> Poromenos: its in gutsy main
[03:23] <Poromenos> Seeker`: odd, i just searched for ssh and it only has openssh-client
[03:24] <Seeker`> cjo20@cdesk:~$ apt-cache search openssh-server
[03:24] <Seeker`> openssh-server - secure shell server, an rshd replacement
[03:24] <CorpusCallosum> Seeker`: what should i do for the permissions
[03:24] <Seeker`> CorpusCallosum: I can't remember specifically, its been a while since I had to play with that sort of thing
[03:24] <Poromenos> Seeker`: odd
[03:24] <CorpusCallosum> i seeee
[03:24] <Seeker`> CorpusCallosum: what aer the permissions on the files atm? and who are they owned by / what group?
[03:26] <Seeker`> Bereanone: ask in here
[03:27] <bastid_raZor> come on bug report fixer people and fix my bug
[03:28] <savvas> Poromenos: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/net/openssh-server
[03:28] <Poromenos> savvas: ah, thanks
[03:28] <avatar_> sudo apt-get install ssh
[03:28] <avatar_> that will give you ssh-server
[03:28] <Stevethepirate> sudo apt-get install openssh-server is better :p
[03:29] <savvas> Poromenos: which repos are you using? gr.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[03:29] <Poromenos> savvas: probably, it set them automatically
[03:29] <Pici> Stevethepirate: I believe they point to the same packages.
[03:29] <hit> i just don't get it, compiz' cube spins as it should, but everything else hangs like hell
[03:29] <Bereanone> Seeker: running wine or even trying to configure it locks the cursor on my desktop and it is over...
[03:30] <savvas> Poromenos: apt-cache policy ssh
[03:30] <avatar_> Stevethepirate: thats 11 characters more typing!
[03:30] <Poromenos> savvas: i can't check the machine right now, it's being used
[03:30] <Poromenos> i'll wait and get back to you
[03:30] <Seeker`> Bereanone: I haven't had any experience with wine
[03:30] <savvas> Poromenos: ah ok, the ssh avatar_ mentioned should work: sudo apt-get install ssh
[03:30] <Poromenos> savvas: i think i tried that :/
[03:30] <Poromenos> i'll do it again to make sure
[03:31] <Bereanone> Seeker: any experience getting a second partition on a usb drive to become owned and read/writeable?
[03:31] <Seeker`> Bereanone: not a USB drive, no - it should be automatic
[03:32] <Blinny> So I've tried three network card from two manufacturers in two PCI slots - all of them are found, modules loaded, and then nada. -- I'm just trying to confirm this is a bug and not some apic problem before I file.
[03:32] <bastid_raZor> not that is funny, i got brave and apt-get remove tzdata .. and i get the response you are about to do something very harmful to your computer. if you wish to continue type : Yes, Do as i say!
[03:32] <bastid_raZor> not == now
[03:32] <Blinny> (though I assume if gutsy didn't load network cards more people than I would be experiencing it ;)
[03:32] <savvas> Poromenos: ok, and try "sudo apt-get update" before it ;)
[03:33] <Pici> adaniels: Have you installed compizconfig-settings-manager?
[03:33] <adaniels> Pici: I'm here
[03:33] <Poromenos> savvas: ah, i didn't try that :p
[03:33] <adaniels> pici: no, aha :)
[03:33] <savvas> :p
[03:34] <`Matir> Blinny, can you put output from lspci and dmesg into a pastebin?
[03:34] <Blinny> `Matir: Absolutely. Thank you.
[03:35] <`Matir> Blinny, no problem... I'll take a look and see if I can find known bugs/causes... no guarantees though, lol
[03:35] <ximal> hmm
[03:35] <ximal> back
[03:35] <adaniels> pici: k thanks, missed that one
[03:35] <Blinny> `Matir: though as I'm not net'd on this box, it's gonna be a lot of typing. I can tell you that lspci |grep -i net shows the card
[03:35] <Seeker`> ximal: any luck?
[03:35] <`Matir> ah, valid point about not being on net... never mind then
[03:36] <Blinny> (;
[03:36] <`Matir> Blinny, what behavior precisely occurs?  Can NetworkManager see the card?  See a link?  Just not get an IP?
[03:36] <`Matir> Blinny, also, are we talking wired or wireless?
[03:36] <ximal> nothing yet seeker
[03:36] <Blinny> I'm testing gutsy server for its LTSP5 implementation, so I'm console-only. These are all wired cards.
[03:36] <bushwakko> NetworkManager just quit when I tried to connect to a network that uses username and pass and a 80211x certificate
[03:36] <Seeker`> ximal: did you follow those instructions?
[03:37] <`Matir> Blinny, ok, fair enough.  Does mii-tool show a link?
[03:37] <Blinny> `Matir: no MII interfaces found
[03:37] <Blinny> ifconfig -a shows the correct MAC
[03:37] <Blinny> ifconfig shows only lo
[03:38] <walrus_RUS> ppl, I see noticeable performance degradation when I watch video and compiz is on. Every 10..20 seconds computer holds on 3..5 seconds. Top shows that process compiz.real eat 100 % CPU time. When I return to 'nv' driver the problem disappearred.
[03:38] <`Matir> Blinny, mii-tool as root?
[03:38] <ximal> not yet..
[03:38] <Blinny> `Matir: I'm sorry - not used to sudo. Yes, eth3: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok
[03:38] <Blinny> `Matir: Apologies.
[03:39] <ximal> hm
[03:39] <ximal> afk
[03:39] <Poromenos> savvas: yep, it needed an update, thanks :)
[03:39] <Stevethepirate> Can anyone help me with fixing X in gutsy?
[03:40] <Stevethepirate> X doens't start properly
[03:40] <savvas> Poromenos: n/p ;)
[03:40] <Stevethepirate> then looks like changing resolutions
[03:40] <Stevethepirate> then drops me to Low Graaphics Mode
[03:40] <Stevethepirate> *-a
[03:40] <Stevethepirate> I've dpkg-reconfigure'd xorg
[03:40] <Stevethepirate> to no avail
[03:40] <savvas> Stevethepirate: graphics card?
[03:41] <Stevethepirate> nv 7600gt
[03:41] <Blinny> `Matir: One thing of note - the card is assigned eth0 for some reason.. /etc/network/interfaces is set up for eth0 - I'm changing /etc/network/interfaces to reflect eth3 and rebooting now.
[03:41] <Blinny> wait
[03:41] <Blinny> :s;assigned eth0;assigned eth3
[03:42] <savvas> Stevethepirate: uname -r && apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules linux-image
[03:42] <savvas> !paste | Stevethepirate
[03:42] <ubotu> Stevethepirate: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:42] <Blinny> `Matir: That was it.
[03:42] <`Matir> Blinny, probably because the others were assigned eth[012] ...
[03:42] <Blinny> `Matir: But they're not physically in the box.
[03:42] <Stevethepirate> savvas: i'd love to...
[03:42] <Stevethepirate> but i'm on irssi
[03:43] <Stevethepirate> can't copy paste if i wanted to :(
[03:43] <`Matir> Blinny, when each new interface is detected it is added to /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules.  This helps maintain naming for systems with many interfaces over reboot, kernel upgrades, etc.
[03:43] <Stevethepirate> 2.6.22-14-generic
[03:43] <Seeker`> Stevethepirate: why not?
[03:43] <savvas> Stevethepirate: ok then write down that command and just tell me the versions that apt-cache returns and the uname -r
[03:44] <remoford> anyone know what the deal is on bluetooth pairing in gutsy? it opens a tooltip that immediatly closes and the old tools are gone
[03:44] <Blinny> `Matir: I guess.. but it still only gets me to eth2 and not 3 if we're starting at 0
[03:44] <Blinny> `Matir: Let me check out that file. Thank you.
[03:44] <`Matir> Blinny, np.  Not sure where the extra one came from.
[03:44] <Stevethepirate> linux-restricted-modules:
[03:44] <Stevethepirate> Installed : None
[03:44] <klaxian> does anyone have a problem where evolution (or gtkhtml) is html encoding URLs (ie. & becomes &amp;)?  then the urls don't work when clicked
[03:45] <Stevethepirate> Candidate: 2.6.22.14.20
[03:45] <Stevethepirate> Version Table:
[03:45] <Stevethepirate> 2.6.22.14.20 0
[03:45] <Blinny> `Matir: in 70-persistent-net.rules eth0 has five entries, all mostly blank.  Interesting. Thank you very much~
[03:45] <Stevethepirate> 500 http:
[03:45] <Stevethepirate> sh*t
[03:45] <Zapt> hi
[03:45] <Stevethepirate> 500 http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za gutsy/restricted Packages
[03:46] <`Matir> Blinny, np.  If you want your device to change back, it should be safe to delete all the entries in that file and restart and get eth0 back.
[03:46] <Stevethepirate> linux-image
[03:46] <Stevethepirate> Installed (none)
[03:46] <Zapt> when can I download the release candidate? It is supposed to be downloadable by today
[03:46] <Stevethepirate> rest is the same
[03:46] <Blinny> `Matir: Right on. Thank you - Is this #ubuntu-specific , or new udev specific?
[03:46] <Stevethepirate> savvas: ./ping>!!
[03:47] <`Matir> Blinny, it's not just ubuntu, some other distros are doing it as well, but it's not part of core udev either.  IOW, it's added by distros but being adopted by several.  It's nice for e.g., multi-homed systems or systems that use pcmcia or usb devices often.
[03:47] <savvas> Stevethepirate: ok try this: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-restricted-modules-generic nvidia-glx-new
[03:48] <Blinny> `Matir: Sure. I can see the usefulness. 'Course, not so much for a static server box.. I think I need to refine my google search words, as I didn't find much about this.
[03:48] <Zapt>  when can I download the release candidate? It is supposed to be downloadable by today
[03:49] <Stevethepirate> savvas: okay.. done
[03:49] <Stevethepirate> now?
[03:49] <savvas> Stevethepirate: now sudo nvidia-xconfig
[03:49] <`Matir> Blinny, searching for "udev persistent net" gives some decent results, e.g., http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/502
[03:49] <Stevethepirate> okay
[03:49] <Stevethepirate> ...
[03:50] <savvas> Stevethepirate: you have gnome? sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[03:50] <Blinny> `Matir: heh - if only I'd known and not been searching for 3c905, noapic, nolapic and gutsy (;
[03:50] <Blinny> `Matir: Either way. Thanks a bundle.
[03:50] <`Matir> Blinny, no problem.
[03:51] <Stevethepirate> savvas: same error
[03:51] <ximal> ahh
[03:51] <ximal> brb
[03:51] <savvas> Stevethepirate: what does the error say?
[03:52] <Stevethepirate> well
[03:52] <Stevethepirate> it says 'x already running on :0'
[03:52] <Stevethepirate> or something to that effect
[03:52] <Stevethepirate> so i say, okay, open on new :x
[03:52] <hit> anyone has any idea why my compiz runs smooth but i.e moving a window freezes? :s
[03:52] <Stevethepirate> does that
[03:52] <Stevethepirate> then it drops back to Low Graphics mode
[03:52] <savvas> Stevethepirate: let me guess, you have installed a driver from nvidia.com directly?
[03:52] <Stevethepirate> no
[03:52] <Stevethepirate> nvidia-glx
[03:53] <Stevethepirate> that was on feisty
[03:53] <Stevethepirate> moving to gutsy though...
[03:53] <savvas> Stevethepirate: do this: sudo nvidia-installer --help
[03:53] <savvas> does it say command not found?
[03:53] <Stevethepirate> command not found
[03:53] <bastid_raZor> i'm getting somewhere.. reinstalled tzdata and now kernel problems :)
[03:53] <savvas> Stevethepirate: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-new
[03:54] <Stevethepirate> okay
[03:54] <savvas> Stevethepirate: hold a sec
[03:54] <Stevethepirate> kk
[03:55] <bastid_raZor> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[03:55] <seppe> hi, is it safe to install the latest daily build now?
[03:55] <MikeDX> its never safe
[03:55] <savvas> Stevethepirate: ps -e | grep -i "xorg\|dm"
[03:55] <seppe> I'm going on holiday before the final release, but I want Gutsy now :)
[03:55] <MikeDX> get it now, then just do update when you get back :)
[03:55] <seppe> ok :)
[03:56] <savvas> seppe: what if it breaks everything and you don't have time to fix it before holiday?
[03:56] <Stevethepirate> 7744 tty9 00:00:00 Xorg
[03:56] <savvas> Stevethepirate: killall -9 Xorg
[03:56] <savvas> Stevethepirate: killall -9 gdm
[03:56] <Stevethepirate> 8213 tty10 00:00:00:00 Xrg
[03:56] <seppe> other question: I have an ati 9600 card .. when I install, will it use XGL + fglrx + Compiz Fusion? Or AIGLX + ati + Compiz Fusion?
[03:56] <Stevethepirate> okay
[03:56] <seppe> savvas: oh I have the time to fix it, I'm sick at home now :)
[03:56] <Stevethepirate> done
[03:57] <Stevethepirate> now the ps -e returns null
[03:57] <savvas> seppe: hope you get better soon :)
[03:57] <seppe> hehe thx, that's kind of you
[03:57] <savvas> Stevethepirate: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[03:57] <savvas> Stevethepirate: choose "nv" as the graphics driver
[03:57] <Stevethepirate> um
[03:57] <Stevethepirate> i ran that
[03:57] <Stevethepirate> no wizard popup
[03:58] <savvas> try again
[03:58] <Stevethepirate> as before
[03:58] <seppe> anyone know what combo it will use on my ATI card? Compiz + XGL + fglrx? Or Compiz + AIGLX + ati?
[03:58] <Stevethepirate> did again
[03:58] <Stevethepirate> 5 times
[03:58] <savvas> Stevethepirate: after all this?
[03:58] <Stevethepirate> huhs?
[03:58] <savvas> Stevethepirate: do it now
[03:58] <Stevethepirate> i did
[03:58] <Stevethepirate> again
[03:58] <Stevethepirate> again
[03:58] <savvas> Stevethepirate: you're not using /exec for these are you?
[03:58] <nanonyme> savvas, why nv instead of nvidia?
[03:59] <Stevethepirate> huh?
[03:59] <Stevethepirate> I don't think so.
[03:59] <bastid_raZor> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset),        LC_ALL = (unset),        LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"    are supported and installed on your system. how do i do this?
[03:59] <nanonyme> 16:57 < *savvas> Stevethepirate: choose "nv" as the graphics driver
[03:59] <nanonyme> nv is the obsolete nvidia driver :)
[03:59] <Stevethepirate> nanonyme: yeah.. but the dpkg wizard does not pop up
[03:59] <bastid_raZor> would that be as simple as to go to date and time in system menu?
[04:00] <savvas> nanonyme: because I want to see if Xorg can actually start
[04:00] <nanonyme> savvas, then i'd recommend vesa
[04:00] <savvas> nanonyme: nv works for most nvidia :p
[04:00] <nanonyme> nv has had problems
[04:01] <Stevethepirate> well
[04:01] <savvas> nanonyme: would you like to take over? :)
[04:01] <Stevethepirate> either way\
[04:01] <Stevethepirate> a working X would be imba :P
[04:01] <bastid_raZor> imba?
[04:01] <Pici> vesa should work for everything.
[04:01] <Stevethepirate> um.. imbalanced.. like 'really good'
[04:01] <nanonyme> indeed
[04:01] <seppe> anyone know what combo it will use on my ATI card? Compiz + XGL + fglrx? Or Compiz + AIGLX + ati?
[04:02] <Stevethepirate> DoTA acronym :P
[04:02] <Stevethepirate> nanonyme: SOS please..
[04:02] <savvas> Stevethepirate: do you know how to use nano ?
[04:02] <Stevethepirate> yeah.. obv
[04:02] <nanonyme> Stevethepirate, change display driver in xorg.conf to vesa and try startx
[04:02] <savvas> Stevethepirate: great, sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:03] <Stevethepirate> kk
[04:03] <savvas> change the line with Driver "nvidia" to "vesa"
[04:03] <Stevethepirate> in
[04:03] <savvas> Driver "vesa" that is
[04:04] <Stevethepirate> okay
[04:04] <Stevethepirate> sweet.
[04:04] <Stevethepirate> X is running
[04:04] <Stevethepirate> now, must i use built in restricted driver wizard to fix?
[04:04] <savvas> Stevethepirate: reboot the computer before trying that
[04:04] <Stevethepirate> kk
[04:05] <Stevethepirate> savvas: okay.. brb.. [screen ftw] 
[04:05] <Blinny> Thanks `Matir - Going to check out LTSP5. Cheers, all.
[04:07] <savvas> screen?
[04:08] <DexterF> hi
[04:08] <savvas> I wonder what he meant by that.. I told him to reboot yet he's still here :P
[04:09] <DexterF> wifi question: feisty had the r8187 module backported to its 2.6.20. I needed a 2.6.22 kernel but didn't want to go gutsy, so I backported it. now I found that there's no r8187 module in the src. can someone confirm?
[04:09] <bastid_raZor> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-386  /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs: line 13: getopt: command not found
[04:10] <bastid_raZor> does that mean i should apt-get install getopt?
[04:10] <stefg> !find getopt
[04:10] <ubotu> Found: gengetopt, cl-getopt, libgetopt++-dev, libgetopt++1, libgetopt-argvfile-perl (and 5 others)
[04:10] <savvas> bastid_raZor: ubuntu desktop or server?
[04:10] <bastid_raZor> desktop
[04:10] <savvas> bastid_raZor: try this: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[04:11] <bastid_raZor> i've fixed my tzdata issues and now i'm here..
[04:11] <bastid_raZor> ok.
[04:11] <Stevethepirate> okat
[04:11] <Stevethepirate> *okay
[04:11] <Stevethepirate> restarted
[04:11] <bastid_raZor> same errors.
[04:11] <Stevethepirate> my x loads..
[04:11] <savvas> Stevethepirate: not restart, reboot the computer, how come you're still there? :p
[04:12] <Stevethepirate> i'm on a screened session to a server with irssi
[04:12] <savvas> aaaah
[04:12] <Stevethepirate> just reattached screen
[04:12] <Stevethepirate> okay
[04:12] <Stevethepirate> its like okay
[04:12] <savvas> lovely :)
[04:12] <savvas> Stevethepirate: ok try the restricted drivers manager
[04:12] <Stevethepirate> but its as if my monitor is only showing the
[04:12] <savvas> bastid_raZor: sudo apt-get -f install
[04:12] <Stevethepirate> top left 60% of the actual desktop
[04:13] <Stevethepirate> its like... the resolution is wrong or somthing
[04:13] <savvas> Stevethepirate: welcome to the vista drivers :p
[04:13] <savvas> *vesa
[04:13] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[04:13] <Stevethepirate> can i not go back to the nvidia drivers now?
[04:13] <Stevethepirate> i installed the restricted drivrs
[04:13] <bastid_raZor> savvas: same errors  :\ i'm pondering to --remove the linux-images and reinstall or try --reinstall
[04:13] <Stevethepirate> well
[04:13] <Stevethepirate> wait
[04:13] <Stevethepirate> rebooted
[04:13] <Stevethepirate> installed restricted drivers
[04:13] <Stevethepirate> rebooted
[04:14] <Stevethepirate> and here i am
[04:14] <Stevethepirate> okay
[04:14] <remoford> has anyone gotten gutsy to pain with a bluetooth device?
[04:14] <xMoth> hello
[04:14] <Stevethepirate> so, now where to do?
[04:14] <Stevethepirate> to fix this?
[04:14] <remoford> s/pain/pair
[04:14] <xMoth> Does anybody know when today the RC from Gutsy Gibbon will be released?
[04:14] <savvas> Stevethepirate: glxinfo | grep -i "direct"
[04:14] <savvas> Stevethepirate: returns yes or no?
[04:14] <Pici> xMoth: The ISOs are being tested right now iirc.
[04:14] <bastid_raZor> remoford: with fiesty i couldn't get a pair either.. but i've never actually needed it to pair to transfer back and forth
[04:14] <Stevethepirate> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[04:15] <remoford> bastid_raZor: i got it to work in fiesty just fine
[04:15] <tolonuga> hi. I found a non-working package in gutsy and fixed it (trivial) and added the patch with that fix and debian/changelog change to the bug. the package is "openct" and the bug is 125054. the fix has been tested well and works fine, and is as small as possible while still stable. also I'm upstream maintainer of that package :) what else can I do to get a fixed package into ubuntu gutsy before release?
[04:15] <remoford> when i try to pair the dialog *immeiatly* closes
[04:15] <savvas> bastid_raZor: type getopt in the console
[04:15] <bastid_raZor> remoford: did it ask you for a passcode?
[04:15] <remoford> before i can even click onit
[04:15] <remoford> its trying to
[04:15] <remoford> but closes
[04:15] <Pici> bug 125054
[04:15] <savvas> bastid_raZor: it should tell you what to install
[04:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125054 in openct "openct broken by ubuntu udev setup" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125054
[04:15] <remoford> its up less than a second
[04:15] <bastid_raZor> savvas: command not found.
[04:15] <savvas> bastid_raZor: uname -r
[04:15] <remoford> ive been trying to just be uber fast but it aint happening
[04:16] <bastid_raZor> savvas: 2.6.22-14-386
[04:16] <Stevethepirate> savvas: ...
[04:16] <stefg> tolonuga: talk to the release manager for about a freeze exception
[04:17] <savvas> Stevethepirate: do this: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i "driver.*nv"
[04:17] <tolonuga> stefg: ok. but the latest version of the patch doesn't need the new version, it works with the current gutsy package. do I still need release manager approval?
[04:18] <Stevethepirate> \        Driver          "nvidia"
[04:18] <stefg> tolonuga: afaik freeze means *freeze*, except the release manager approves something different
[04:18] <savvas> bastid_raZor: try this: sudo apt-get install gengetopt
[04:19] <savvas> Stevethepirate: ps -e | grep -i "xorg\|dm"
[04:19] <tolonuga> ok, thanks
[04:19] <bastid_raZor> savvas: installed
[04:19] <xMoth> How long will it take to upload the ISO's to the server?
[04:19] <savvas> bastid_raZor: type getopt now
[04:19] <savvas> bastid_raZor: type getopt
[04:19] <savvas> :P
[04:19] <Stevethepirate>  5028 ?        00:00:00 gdm
[04:19] <Stevethepirate>  5039 ?        00:00:00 gdm
[04:19] <Stevethepirate>  5185 tty7     00:00:01 Xorg
[04:19] <bastid_raZor> savvas: still command not found.
[04:20] <bastid_raZor> savvas: everytime i use apt-get it finished up with said errors.
[04:21] <bastid_raZor> savvas: would a --reinstall or remove then install be wise?
[04:21] <PirateHead> Is the RC out yet?
[04:21] <savvas> Stevethepirate: you said you rebooted the computer after installing the drivers right?
[04:21] <savvas> PirateHead: http://releases.ubuntu.com
[04:21] <Stevethepirate> Yeah
[04:21] <Stevethepirate> Its okay
[04:21] <savvas> PirateHead: if it's not there, then no
[04:21] <Stevethepirate> just the wrong resolution
[04:22] <Stevethepirate> like
[04:22] <savvas> Stevethepirate: try system > administration > screens and graphics
[04:22] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: add the resolution you want in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:22] <PirateHead> savvas: it says release candidate, but the link points to nothing, so I came here to ask. Jeez.
[04:22] <savvas> PirateHead: so it's not out yet.
[04:23] <PirateHead> savvas: Is it expected some time today, or has it been canceled?
[04:23] <savvas> PirateHead: there's some text below the nothing you say :p
[04:23] <gambitlx> hey does anyone know how I can add a custom screen resolution in gusty?
[04:23] <bastid_raZor> PirateHead: i heard someone talking about it earlier.. and as of an hour ago it was not out
[04:23] <savvas> PirateHead: no idea, we'll find out in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule if there's been any change
[04:23] <Stevethepirate> bastid_raZor:  well
[04:24] <Stevethepirate> most of the sections have all the res's
[04:24] <PirateHead> mmkay, thanks for the info guys. :-)
[04:24] <Pici> PirateHead: I believe candidate isos are being tested
[04:24] <savvas> Stevethepirate: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i "modes"
[04:24] <PirateHead> I'm hoping it boots up on my machine this time. *fingers crossed*
[04:25] <bastid_raZor>  Modes   "1280x1024"     "1024x768" ... in your xorg.conf .... yours will probably include 800x640 just add the one you want
[04:25] <Stevethepirate> 1280x1024@75"   "1024x768@75"   "1280x960@60"   "832x624@75"    "1280x1024@60" "800x600@60"     "1280x960@75"   "800x600@75"    "1400x1050@60"  "800x600@72"   "1400x1050@75"   "800x600@56"    "1600x1200@65"  "640x480@75"    "1600x1200@60" "640x480@72"     "640x480@60"
[04:25] <Stevethepirate>  Modes           "640x480@60"    640x480@72"    "640x480@75"   "800x600@56"     "800x600@72"    "800x600@75"    "800x600@60"    "8302x624@75"   "1024x768@75"    "1024x768@70"   "1024x768@60"   "1152x864@75"   "1280x1024@75" "1280x960@60"    "1280x1024@60"  "1280x960@75"   "1400x1050@60"  "1400x1050@75" "1600x1200@65"   "1600x1200@60"
[04:25] <Stevethepirate> oops
[04:25] <gambitlx> ill have a look
[04:25] <Pici> !paste
[04:25] <Stevethepirate> lols
[04:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:25] <Pici> ack1
[04:25] <savvas> Stevethepirate: I think they're put in reverse.. the highest resolution should be first
[04:26] <bastid_raZor> savvas: Stevethepirate yes, they are reversed in xorg.conf
[04:26] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[04:26] <bastid_raZor> or they should be added in reverse
[04:26] <Stevethepirate> so how to fix?
[04:26] <Stevethepirate> rewrite them all?
[04:26] <mc44> Pici: syn1
[04:26] <Pici> mc44: :p
[04:26] <savvas> Stevethepirate: gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:27] <Stevethepirate> kk
[04:27] <savvas> Stevethepirate: yeah, put the highest you want to try first, I have only four in my modes
[04:27] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: don't rewrite. just add the one you want without the @75 on the end
[04:27] <Stevethepirate> which section?
[04:27] <savvas> Stevethepirate: example:                 Modes           "1280x1024"     "1152x864"      "1024x768"     "832x624"        "800x600"       "720x400"       "640x480"
[04:27] <Stevethepirate> Monitor?
[04:27] <bastid_raZor> under modes. probably near the bottom
[04:28] <savvas> Stevethepirate: section screen
[04:28] <bastid_raZor> 832x624? that is a crazy resolution
[04:28] <savvas> well.. tell that to samsung :P
[04:28] <savvas> bastid_raZor: they're autodetected :P
[04:28] <Stevethepirate> okay
[04:28] <Stevethepirate> in screen
[04:28] <savvas> bastid_raZor: how's getopt going?
[04:28] <Stevethepirate> Modes		"640x480@60"	"640x480@72"	"640x480@75"	"800x600@56"	"800x600@72"	"800x600@75"	"800x600@60"	"832x624@75"	"1024x768@75"	"1024x768@70"	"1024x768@60"	"1152x864@75"	"1280x1024@75"	"1280x960@60"	"1280x1024@60"	"1280x960@75"	"1400x1050@60"	"1400x1050@75"	"1600x1200@65"	"1600x1200@60" EndSubSection
[04:29] <bastid_raZor> savvas: command not found :(
[04:29] <Stevethepirate> theres my modes
[04:29] <savvas> bastid_raZor: ok try this: sudo apt-get install opt cl-getopt
[04:29] <Stevethepirate> what modes to add?
[04:29] <Stevethepirate> and, in the beginning or end?
[04:30] <bastid_raZor> installing
[04:30] <bastid_raZor> done
[04:30] <Stevethepirate> sa
[04:30] <Stevethepirate> * savvas ..
[04:30] <savvas> Stevethepirate: delete all the modes and put these: "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[04:31] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: yeah, those are the most common and normal resolutions.
[04:31] <Stevethepirate> yeah
[04:31] <Stevethepirate> oka
[04:31] <Stevethepirate> done
[04:31] <Stevethepirate> now?
[04:31] <Stevethepirate> restart gdm?
[04:31] <bastid_raZor> restart X
[04:31] <savvas> bastid_raZor: i've no idea which one it was, i think opt has the getopt, but I told you to install them all and try out, glad it worked out :P
[04:31] <Stevethepirate> Ctrl-Backspace ftw
[04:31] <Stevethepirate> oka
[04:31] <Stevethepirate> bbias
[04:31] <Stevethepirate> fudge
[04:31] <bastid_raZor> savvas: oh, heh i still have that error.. i was saying done as in install done.. :)
[04:32] <savvas> grr...
[04:32] <bastid_raZor> savvas: heh, you're doing a great job at helping though ..
[04:33] <bastid_raZor> even after opt is 'set up' i get command not found for getop: :*(
[04:33] <savvas> bastid_raZor: wanna try the -generic?
[04:34] <savvas> wait.. was it getop or getopt?
[04:34] <bastid_raZor>  /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs: line 13: getopt: command not found
[04:34] <bastid_raZor> if gutsy is ok with generic.. so am i
[04:35] <bushwakko> I don't get access to taxonomy stuff when I'm anonymous, even though I've turned stuff on in permissions!
[04:36] <savvas> bastid_raZor: hold a sec
[04:38] <remoford> bastid_raZor: any idea what the bluez-pin thing is called now?
[04:38] <bastid_raZor> savvas: from what i can tell .. i'm already using that image.
[04:38] <bastid_raZor> as i recall grub had it listed and i'm currently booted to that kernel
[04:39] <savvas> bastid_raZor: sudo apt-get install util-linux
[04:40] <bastid_raZor> savvas: you may be on to something here...
[04:40] <savvas> I hope that's the package
[04:40] <savvas> https://www.linux-foundation.org/dbadmin/browse/cmd_single.php?cmd=list-by-name&Cname=getopt
[04:40] <bastid_raZor> sweet~! mother of pearl!! you sir have fixed my issues
[04:41] <bastid_raZor> savvas: you,sir, are awesome..
[04:41] <savvas> bastid_raZor: great, now i suggest you move to linux-generic :P
[04:41] <savvas> sudo apt-get install linux-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic
[04:41] <bastid_raZor> heh, really? savvas  you think generic is less buggy/better?
[04:41] <savvas> I think it's more supported
[04:41] <savvas> unless you're using an old machine
[04:42] <bastid_raZor> i'm all about support.. should i reboot as it requires first or install first?
[04:42] <bastid_raZor> i have a decent box. worthy of abusing with demanding features
[04:42] <savvas> um install the -generic first, then you should change your kernel by pressing ESC during boot and select the -generic one
[04:42] <bastid_raZor> ok.
[04:43] <savvas> then you can easily remove the -386 by searching with synaptic
[04:43] <bastid_raZor> it tells me -generic is already the newest version
[04:43] <bastid_raZor> possibly i have it and am not selecting it in grub.
[04:44] <bastid_raZor> off to grub land i go~!
[04:44] <savvas> well then, just change your kernel and search in synaptic for 2.6.22-14-386 and right-click on the packages mark with green -> completely remove :)
[04:45] <bastid_raZor> ok, why would you say -generic is supported better? you see lots of issues with people running -386?
[04:45] <savvas> don't forget to sudo update-grub ! :P
[04:45] <savvas> bastid_raZor: what's your processor?
[04:45] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[04:45] <bastid_raZor> Pentium D 924
[04:45] <Stevethepirate> savvas:
[04:46] <Stevethepirate> its still fudge
[04:46] <Stevethepirate> d
[04:46] <Stevethepirate> want me to send a screenshot?
[04:46] <savvas> bastid_raZor: ghz/mhz?
[04:46] <Stevethepirate> on like imageshack
[04:46] <bastid_raZor> 3ghz .. pentium d was the first dual cores .. they like to run hot
[04:46] <savvas> Stevethepirate: screens and graphics can't help?
[04:47] <Stevethepirate> not that i can see..
[04:47] <Stevethepirate> i'll host an imageshack pic
[04:47] <savvas> bastid_raZor: you're better off with a -generic then, it replaces -686,-k7 and all the other architectures
[04:48] <bastid_raZor> savvas: ok, would removing the old 2.6.20-15 and 16-genric be a safe bet too?
[04:48] <vmlinuz`> is there realplayer for gutsy?
[04:48] <addos> is the release candidate coming out today?
[04:48] <Stevethepirate> naught
[04:48] <MTecknology> I wonder why my fan won't shut off
[04:48] <bastid_raZor> vmlinuz`: vlc~!
[04:48] <vmlinuz`> bastid_raZor: no i need realplayer man
[04:48] <MTecknology> I started up and it kicked into high, i've never heard it there b4 :S
[04:48] <savvas> bastid_raZor: .20 ? those are feisty kernels, I suppose so, at least leave 3 good kernels, "in case sh**" :p
[04:49] <bastid_raZor> vmlinuz`: vlc should play those codecs
[04:49] <vmlinuz`> bastid_raZor: in youtube it gives a feature to download them and save to watch them offline
[04:49] <Stevethepirate> http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2817/screenshotja2.png
[04:49] <savvas> Stevethepirate: the black underneath?
[04:50] <Stevethepirate> NFC
[04:50] <bastid_raZor> savvas: well buddy.. i see only 2.6.22-14 -386 and -generic which are gutsy and the other two which are feisty
[04:50] <savvas> Stevethepirate: nfc? :P
[04:50] <Stevethepirate> no f**king clue
[04:50] <bastid_raZor> vmlinuz`: vlc should play them.. i could be wrong
[04:50] <Stevethepirate> it does
[04:50] <Stevethepirate> vlc plays *
[04:50] <savvas> bastid_raZor: better leave the other two then, you never know what might happen
[04:50] <vmlinuz`> does it have when i go to youtube and click save video?
[04:51] <Stevethepirate> that will be a flv
[04:51] <vmlinuz`> flv?
[04:51] <Stevethepirate> get a youtube video downloader
[04:51] <bastid_raZor> vmlinuz`: if you're saving the video you won't be watching your porn in your browser.. you'll be opening it in VLC
[04:51] <Stevethepirate> and it  should save youtubes as flvs
[04:51] <vmlinuz`> bastid_raZor: ahhaha not porn dude
[04:51] <Stevethepirate> savvas: ....
[04:51] <bastid_raZor> heh
[04:51] <Stevethepirate> vmlinuz`: lies
[04:51] <Stevethepirate> :P
[04:52] <vmlinuz`> Stevethepirate: ok whats the youtube video downloader called.. "flv" ?
[04:52] <hit> can anyone help me a bit with ati drivers?
[04:52] <bazhang> miro will play them as well.
[04:52] <savvas> Stevethepirate: dumb question, but have you checked your monitor configuration?
[04:52] <Stevethepirate> savvas: huhs?
[04:52] <Stevethepirate> want me to pastebin my xorg.conf?
[04:53] <Stevethepirate> vmlinuz`: heard of this thing called google?
[04:53] <Stevethepirate> second result
[04:53] <Stevethepirate> of "youtube downloader"
[04:53] <Stevethepirate> http://video.qooqle.jp/dl/
[04:53] <savvas> Stevethepirate: does your monitor have degauss?
[04:54] <vmlinuz`> sorry, now on maintenance
[04:54] <Stevethepirate> savvas: LCD
[04:54] <LiMaO> i wonder what people used to answer a few years ago, when google was inexistant.. poor newbies..
[04:54] <Stevethepirate> LiMaO: yahoo it :p
[04:54] <savvas> argh
[04:54] <LiMaO> probably people would answer 'hey, have you heard of altavista, yahoo, or something else'
[04:54] <Stevethepirate> http://www.pastebin.co.za/352 @ savvas
[04:54] <LiMaO> Stevethepirate: dang heh
[04:54] <bintut> is xen-3.1.1 be included in gutsy?
[04:55] <savvas> modeline ?
[04:55] <Pici> bintut: Whats the package name?
[04:55] <LiMaO> savvas: does that degauss thing still exist? hehe long time since i last used a crt monitor
[04:55] <bintut> Pici: xen
[04:55] <bintut> Pici: http://xen.xensource.com/
[04:55] <Stevethepirate> LiMaO: yeah.. only way to stop kids screwing monitors up with magnets
[04:56] <savvas> Stevethepirate: were you tinkering with the xorg.conf during feisty? adding resolutions etc?
[04:56] <addos> is the release candidate coming out today?
[04:56] <Stevethepirate> savvas: naught
[04:56] <mc44> addos: probably
[04:56] <addos> cool
[04:56] <addos> I want to run the tests on it
[04:56] <addos> so it can be polished for final release
[04:57] <bastid_raZor> i will reboot this crazy electronic death trap~!
[04:57] <bastid_raZor> savvas: thanks.
[04:57] <mc44> addos: not many changes happen after the release candidate. thats kinda the point
[04:57] <Pici> !info xen-utils-3.1 | bintut
[04:58] <ubotu> bintut: xen-utils-3.1: XEN administrative tools. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.1.0-0ubuntu17 (gutsy), package size 366 kB, installed size 1088 kB
[04:58] <addos> hopefully the rc will be pretty polished then
[04:58] <bintut> Pici: that's 3.1 of xen only.. there is already the xen-3.1.1 which fixes a lot bugs
[04:58] <Stevethepirate> " 25"
[04:58] <savvas> Stevethepirate: you got me there :D I've no idea, I still have a crt monitor so.. :) try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg now
[04:58] <Stevethepirate> "October 11th :  /!\ ReleaseCandidate, /!\ LanguagePackTranslationDeadline "
[04:58] <mc44> addos: i'm sure people will find problems with it as usual, but don't uncritical things to be fixed by release
[04:58] <Stevethepirate> kk
[04:59] <savvas> Stevethepirate: .. now that the desktop works
[04:59] <mc44> addos: *expect
[04:59] <Stevethepirate> Package `xserver-org' is not installed and no info is available.
[04:59] <Stevethepirate> Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
[04:59] <Stevethepirate> and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
[04:59] <Stevethepirate> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-org is not installed
[05:00] <majnoon> ok just for MY info :: when gutsy becomes "stable" how change to "stable"  gutsy from "unstable" gutsy ??
[05:00] <Pici> !final | majnoon
[05:00] <ubotu> majnoon: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[05:00] <Stevethepirate> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:00] <Stevethepirate> yeah
[05:00] <Stevethepirate> ...
[05:00] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[05:00] <majnoon> okies thanky thanky
[05:00] <Stevethepirate> savvas:
[05:00] <Stevethepirate> SOS
[05:00] <Pici> Save our Stevethepirate?
[05:01] <Stevethepirate> Pici: indeeed
[05:01] <Pici> :)
[05:01] <Stevethepirate> someone...
[05:01] <savvas> Stevethepirate: I'm still here, but if dpkg-reconfigure and reboot won't help.. :s
[05:01] <Stevethepirate> waht must i dpkg-reconfigure
[05:01] <majnoon> can i disable the launchpad report thingy ??
[05:02] <Stevethepirate> it says the xserver-org is not installed
[05:02] <savvas> !
[05:02] <mc44> seezer: er... if xserver-xorg doesn't exit, you have bigger problems...
[05:02] <savvas> whaaa
[05:02] <savvas> lol
[05:02] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[05:02] <Stevethepirate> maybe i just can't type proprtly with the screwed res
[05:02] <savvas> Stevethepirate: ok: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[05:02] <majnoon> apt-get install * ??
[05:02] <Stevethepirate> lol
[05:02] <Stevethepirate> okaty
[05:02] <savvas> oops
[05:02] <Stevethepirate> it now says its installed
[05:02] <Stevethepirate> ...
[05:03] <savvas> Stevethepirate: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:03] <Stevethepirate> okay
[05:03] <Stevethepirate> newest version already...
[05:03] <savvas> Stevethepirate: sudo apt-get -f install
[05:03] <Stevethepirate> okay
[05:03] <Stevethepirate> done
[05:03] <bintut> gtg
[05:03] <bintut> thanks..
[05:03] <savvas> (..and that's what happens when you use update-manager -d I guess) :p
[05:04] <Stevethepirate> whats the dpkg command?
[05:04] <Stevethepirate> spam it
[05:04] <Stevethepirate> one line
[05:04] <Stevethepirate> no inverted commas
[05:04] <Stevethepirate> nothing
[05:04] <Pici> !enter
[05:04] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[05:04] <Stevethepirate> i'll copy paste it
[05:04] <savvas> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:04] <mc44> Stevethepirate: please try and use sentences...
[05:04] <Stevethepirate> mc44: : diaf.
[05:04] <Stevethepirate> is that a sentence?
[05:04] <savvas> !paste | Stevethepirate
[05:04] <ubotu> Stevethepirate: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:05] <mc44> Stevethepirate: I don't know, what's diaf?
[05:05] <savvas> so.. nothing ?
[05:05] <advancedonsite> anyone know which audio version is gutsy using i've somehow got pulseaudio esd and alsa installed
[05:05] <Stevethepirate> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIAF
[05:05] <Stevethepirate> i think should help you..
[05:05] <Stevethepirate> okay
[05:05] <Stevethepirate> bbias
[05:07] <mc44> Stevethepirate: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ should help you
[05:07] <DoYouKnow> where can I download the release candidate?
[05:08] <mc44> releases.ubuntu.com
[05:08] <Pici> DoYouKnow: mc44: I dont believe its out yet.
[05:08] <nosrednaekim> bug #151600
[05:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151600 in linux-meta "madwifi no longer working in kernel 2.6.22-12 and 2.6.22-14" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151600
[05:08] <nosrednaekim> my bug :)
[05:09] <mc44> Pici: it's not no. but thats where it can be downloaded from :)
[05:09] <DoYouKnow> oh, I thought it was coming out today
[05:09] <Pici> DoYouKnow: It is. But not yet.
[05:09] <mc44> it probably will be
[05:09] <majnoon> bug #1
[05:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[05:10] <majnoon> me LIKE
[05:10] <majnoon> bug #2
[05:10] <majnoon> no #2 :(
[05:12] <Stevethepirate> savvas:
[05:12] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[05:12] <Stevethepirate> won't start again
[05:12] <Stevethepirate> [xserver] 
[05:13] <Stevethepirate> Someone... SOS please... X won't start...
[05:13] <majnoon> Stevethepirate, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:13] <vmlinuz`> I love it how gutsy has new updates every now and then, its cool
[05:13] <vmlinuz`> I feel i'm updated all the time :P
[05:14] <Esteth> Hey. I've installed some of the new gnome 2.20 stuff on fesity. Just enough to get the new theme. Does anyone know if the upgrade (for final, not beta) will handle this gracefully, or will gnome end up dead?
[05:15] <Stevethepirate> majnoon: thats what made this screw out.
[05:15] <Pici> Esteth: Probably not.
[05:15] <Esteth> Pici: as in, it won't be graceful, or it won't end up dead?
[05:15] <Stevethepirate> In an attempt to fix http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2817/screenshotja2.png
[05:15] <Pici> Esteth: It probably won't be graceful.
[05:15] <savvas> Stevethepirate: did you select the nvidia driver?
[05:16] <Stevethepirate> Yes. But hence changed to vesa in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:16] <Stevethepirate> savvas: wait..
[05:16] <Stevethepirate> yeah
[05:16] <Stevethepirate> set to vesa
[05:16] <Esteth> Pici: Ok. if i attempt to get those packages back to the proper feisty versions, should i be somewhat more "nice"?
[05:16] <Stevethepirate> savvas: vesa / nv / nvidia
[05:16] <Stevethepirate> which one to use?
[05:17] <savvas> Stevethepirate: did you reboot after dpkg-reconfigure?
[05:17] <bastid_raZor> i think i'm having the same issues are were/are Stevethepirate .. after my reboot
[05:17] <Pici> Esteth: I really can't make a prediction either way.
[05:17] <Stevethepirate> savvas: yeah
[05:17] <savvas> hm..
[05:17] <savvas> Stevethepirate: nvidia should be used
[05:17] <Stevethepirate> let me reconfigure
[05:17] <MTecknology> How do I nominate a bug for Gutsy?
[05:17] <Stevethepirate> with nvidia
[05:17] <MrMazda> anyone know why kernels have CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=m instead of =y?
[05:17] <hylje> module
[05:17] <Esteth> Pici: OK. Thanks for the warning, anyway :)
[05:17] <bastid_raZor> although i have my xorg.conf backed up several times with several settings
[05:17] <nosrednaekim> !bugs
[05:17] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[05:18] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: savvas changing my xorg.conf back to a known working copy did not solve my resolution issues
[05:18] <MTecknology> nosrednaekim, I know how to report bugs, I don't know how to make them specific to Gutsy
[05:18] <Stevethepirate> okay
[05:18] <Stevethepirate> brb
[05:18] <Stevethepirate> reboot
[05:18] <Stevethepirate> #41 of the day
[05:18] <Stevethepirate> :(
[05:19] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: hmmm IDK.... go to #launchpad or #ubuntu-bugs
[05:19] <savvas> bastid_raZor: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:19] <gabbarinho> howdy
[05:20] <gabbarinho> does anybody use ubuntu on a laptop?
[05:20] <nosrednaekim> gabbarinho: yup
[05:21] <gabbarinho> i just got a friend of mine (a mac fan) to try it on his laptop
[05:21] <bastid_raZor> savvas: copying back a working version of xorg.conf wouldn't be the same and fix what apparently this new kernel has flipped out on?
[05:21] <gabbarinho> he was finally sold when i sent him a youtube clip of compiz in action
[05:21] <sslashes> in gusty, gnome recongnized the macbook pro fn keys (volume, backlight - both lcd and keyboard, etc) - i want to use pommed, does anyone know how i can disable the gnome keymapping for the fn keys?
[05:21] <savvas> gabbarinho: wait for the release candidate or the final version
[05:21] <gabbarinho> he's very impressed - but says his battery now drains much faster
[05:21] <macogw> heh granparadiso's trying to decide if it should crash or not
[05:22] <gabbarinho> and i figure that's because the CPU runs at 100% at all times and other things
[05:22] <savvas> gabbarinho: with compiz enabled?
[05:22] <gabbarinho> can you configure that?
[05:22] <macogw> gabbarinho: if it's not a thinkpad, enable laptop mode
[05:22] <macogw> gabbarinho: also check out lesswatts.org from Intel for tips on power consumption
[05:22] <gabbarinho> yes, i think he's using compiz a lot, and i guess that would have an effect too
[05:22] <gabbarinho> thanks for the tip
[05:22] <sslashes> does compiz work well with moble ati cards yet?
[05:23] <sslashes> (or at all =)
[05:23] <DoYouKnow> how do you enable laptop mode?
[05:23] <gabbarinho> how do you enable laptop mode?
[05:23] <savvas> bastid_raZor: it should work now that you mention it, but try changing the driver to "vesa", see if you can run gnome at all
[05:23] <nosrednaekim> its in /etc/rc.conf or something like that
[05:23] <mc44> sslashes: it should work ok depends on the card. R350 ones don't work I think
[05:24] <macogw> gabbarinho & DoYouKnow: it's in the /etc/acpi config file
[05:24] <bastid_raZor> i just did a few tweaks in the resolution GUI.. let me restart X then if that doesn't work .. i'll go to vesa.. brb
[05:25] <DoYouKnow> macogw, is there a graphical way of doing it?
[05:26] <Konam> I'm still getting this 'white slashes' on the window borders with compiz enabled nVidia card: http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3956/pantallazoml6.png
[05:26] <Konam> someone told me to change the them so I try with the default human and I'm still getting it
[05:26] <Konam>  it happens when I put the cursor on something and the comment popup, for example on the close buttom "close the windows"..
[05:26] <Konam> is the default compiz installation and the default nvidia driver, which works fine btw
[05:27] <macogw> DoYouKnow: no
[05:27] <macogw> i'm looking for it
[05:27] <macogw> it's the same file where you specify the drivers to shut down during suspend
[05:28] <gabbarinho> I guess it isn't idiot-proof yet
[05:29] <savvas> Konam: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:29] <savvas> Konam: then alt-f2 compiz --replace &
[05:29] <savvas> bastid_raZor: gnome would start and you just had resolution problems?
[05:30] <bastid_raZor> savvas: i'm currently using vesa drivers. and my xorg looks all goofed like Stevethepirate's does with crazy modes added
[05:30] <bastid_raZor> savvas: i'm running at 800x600 now
[05:30] <savvas> bastid_raZor: nvidia graphics card?
[05:31] <bastid_raZor> savvas: yeah 7600 gt
[05:31] <macogw> DoYouKnow & gabbarinho: /etc/default/acpi-support
[05:31] <savvas> weird
[05:31] <bastid_raZor> savvas: very weird that changing the kernel would do this. maybe get the -386 back?? or would the be just a fluke?
[05:31] <gabbarinho> thanks, macogw
[05:31] <macogw> gabbarinho: it's disabled by default because of thinkpads.  most distros don't even install the laptop mode packages by default
[05:32] <savvas> bastid_raZor: try enabling the driver from restricted drivers manager
[05:32] <jdrake> Is there a way to disable the desktop switching with the horizontal/vertical scrolling of the touchpad (probably similar to mouswheel)?
[05:32] <gabbarinho> thinkpads have a problem with ubuntu?
[05:32] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[05:32] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[05:32] <macogw> with laptop mode, yes
[05:32] <macogw> which is why it's disabled
[05:32] <macogw> then they're fine
[05:32] <gabbarinho> what features are available in laptop mode?
[05:32] <bastid_raZor> rebooting
[05:32] <savvas> weird though.. we all use the same card, yet I'm the only one having a great installation :P
[05:33] <macogw> it changes your disk I/O
[05:33] <macogw> like, the frequency with which it writes
[05:33] <DoYouKnow> cpu throttling?
[05:33] <gabbarinho> does it throttle the CPU as well?
[05:33] <gabbarinho> ah
[05:33] <macogw> i dont know
[05:33] <macogw> dont think so
[05:33] <macogw> that's just part of normal ACPI AFAIK
[05:33] <savvas> Stevethepirate bastid_raZor: I'm out, I hope you'll solve it
[05:34] <gabbarinho> oh, that could certainly be the case
[05:34] <bastid_raZor> :\
[05:34] <bastid_raZor> savvas: thanks for the help this far
[05:34] <savvas> I have some patients to diagnose :)
[05:34] <savvas> n/p
[05:34] <Stevethepirate> savvas: :peace!
[05:34] <Stevethepirate> tahnks for teh hlps
[05:35] <savvas> Stevethepirate: yohoho ... no problem my pirate friend.. yarr ;)
[05:40] <qzio> which is the best illustrator:ish app to ubuntu
[05:42] <thegeeker> inkscape
[05:43] <jhaig> Has there been a release candidate yet?
[05:43] <gabbarinho> how much of a performance hit do you get with VMware?
[05:43] <MTecknology> Oddly enough... it appears another one of my bugs has been fixed, but i never found a dupe. I guess I'll see if it recurse and act accordingly. :D
[05:44] <letalis> the only major problem ive expierenced with gutsy is that sometimes compiz dies
[05:44] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: i have a friend helping.. i'll give you the fix he gives me once he is done. ssh is awesome!
[05:44] <letalis> but that was probably fixed in the last update
[05:44] <letalis> i havent tested it recently though ive been in kde.
[05:45] <sid> Can I do loop back encrypted file system in Ubuntu.. like I can with debian?
[05:46] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey everyone!
[05:46] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey Hobbsee!
[05:46] <Hobbsee> hiya!
[05:47] <MilhousePunkRock> So, is the RC arriving today, as scheduled?
[05:48] <cyclonut> Quick question: randomly, my screen will not come back on after  opening my laptop lid. Any advice?
[05:48] <MTecknology> Hobbsee, Sorry for my stupidity yesterday
[05:48] <gabbarinho> are yo using firefox, cyclonut?
[05:49] <cyclonut> gabbarinho: why yes I am
[05:49] <Konam> savvas what would do those commands?
[05:49] <MilhousePunkRock> cyclonut: Same here rarely, I use Fn-F5 to cycle through the outputs until it comes back... Appears as if sometimes wants to use the non-existant external screen after waking up
[05:49] <gabbarinho> i think that's a firefox bug, not a ubuntu thing
[05:49] <thegeeker> cyclonut: when i had that problem it was the switch detecting laptop lid opening was physically wearing out
[05:49] <MilhousePunkRock> gabbarinho: Negative
[05:49] <Konam> savvas I mean, exactly what would they do?
[05:49] <gabbarinho> firefox leaks memory if you use flash, so CPU utilization often rises to 100% when you close the lid
[05:49] <cyclonut> gabbarinho: That doesnt make much sense to me...
[05:49] <gabbarinho> so it has trouble "waking up"
[05:49] <gabbarinho> it happens to me on both my ubuntu and windows PCs
[05:50] <gabbarinho> it's a common problem - google it
[05:50] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: no problem
[05:50] <cyclonut> MilhousePunkRock: Ill try that next time...
[05:50] <MilhousePunkRock> gabbarinho: I have the same issue, I don't use Fx unless I have to. And you can hear from the fan and HDD that it's waking up, but there is no output to the screen...
[05:51] <cyclonut> aye, if it were that issue you were talking about gabbarinho, the backlight would at least turn on... It is completely ignoring the screen
[05:51] <MilhousePunkRock> cyclonut: Probably you will have to use a different key combination... Just look for the F-Key that has Screens on it in the color matching your Fn-Key
[05:51] <gabbarinho> oh, I see
[05:51] <cyclonut> MilhousePunkRock: yep, fn-f8 here ;)
[05:51] <cyclonut> gabbarinho: Thanks though!
[05:51] <gabbarinho> sure.
[05:52] <cyclonut> and, on another note, has anyone else been getting random lockups?
[05:52] <MilhousePunkRock> I have never seen so much activity in here before...
[05:52] <gabbarinho> any idea why this happens, milhouse?
[05:52] <cyclonut> kernel panic type lockups, that is
[05:52] <MilhousePunkRock> cyclonut: Complete freezes? I'd first run an extensive memtest
[05:53] <cyclonut> we,, just closed and opened my lidd. cycling displays did not help.
[05:53] <cyclonut> brb
[05:53] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: RC being released today?
[05:53] <wubuntu> when can i start download gg?
[05:53] <Pici> wubuntu: when its out
[05:53] <bazhang> 10/18
[05:53] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: that's the plan
[05:53] <wubuntu> haha
[05:53] <MilhousePunkRock> bazhang: That's the date for the final release, isn't it?
[05:53] <bazhang> :] 
[05:53] <bazhang> yes.
[05:54] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: So, technically the RC is identical to the final release unless there are huge problems, right?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: it'll be fairly similar, yes
[05:55] <leku> i have some shortcuts defined to switch workspaces, alt-1 goes to workspace 1, etc on to 4
[05:55] <bazhang> Hobbsee: I saw a Gutsy DVD at linuxtracker--would that be better to get than the CD?
[05:55] <xMoth> Whats up with the Release Candidate from Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon? When they'll be released?
[05:55] <leku> when I use it to switch workspacse, it sometimes moves windows to different workspaces
[05:55] <leku> how do I stop this?
[05:55] <Pici> xMoth: Sometime today.
[05:55] <mc44> probably
[05:55] <Pici> probably.
[05:55] <mc44> :)
[05:56] <xMoth> ^^
[05:56] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: I am aching to do a fresh install on my good ol' ThinkPad, so I can take it to university and ditch the nasty Mac we have... :)
[05:56] <Pici> mc44: I added cfblacklist if you didn't notice.
[05:56] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:56] <Hobbsee> bazhang: nah, grab a cd.  they've been tested more
[05:56] <xMoth> maybe you can tell me a time ^^
[05:56] <bazhang> Hobbsee: thanks!
[05:56] <MilhousePunkRock> bazhang: The DVD is probably for those who don't have a fast internet connection if they want install additional stuff...
[05:57] <MilhousePunkRock> mc44: Noon EST ;)
[05:57] <bazhang> MilhousePunkRock: good point. I hadn't thought of that. Cheers!
[05:57] <MilhousePunkRock> Wait, that's like in 3 minutes...
[05:57] <bazhang> ;}
[05:58] <gabbarinho> does gutsy have a better boot manager?
[05:58] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Who's that on the photo of the Gutsy Beta announcement, btw?
[05:58] <xMoth> gabbarinho: What do you mean with "better"?
[05:58] <MilhousePunkRock> gabbarinho: Boot manager as in Grub? What's wrong with it?
[05:59] <gabbarinho> well. triple booting ubuntu, xp, and vista can be prblematic
[05:59] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: uh?  link?
[05:59] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: http://kubuntu.org
[05:59] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Never seen it?
[05:59] <gabbarinho> it isn't really grub's fault, but vista's
[06:00] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: i read the rss feed :)
[06:00] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: um, it's one of the kde dudes
[06:00] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: I thought it could have been JRiddell...
[06:00] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: no, it's not him
[06:01] <macogw> how to drive me nuts: be my TA that pronounces "finite state machine" as "fin-it state machine"
[06:01] <xMoth> this guy looks funny ^^
[06:01] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: i know vaguely who it is, but i cnat remember his name
[06:01] <delight> Pici: do you know where RC is going to be announced first? (probably ubuntu.com?)
[06:01] <cyclonut> so, switching displays didnt work :-P
[06:01] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: Aaron Seigo (aseigo)
[06:01] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Too bad this photo once again confirms that nerds look like nerds... ;)
[06:02] <Pici> delight: I'm sure this channel will know the moment its released.
[06:02] <sslashes> in compixconfig, when i try to set an accelerator for Alt+Tab it doesn't register as anything (i can set other accelerastors, such as Alt+S
[06:02] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:02] <sslashes> any ideas?
[06:02] <delight> Pici: ^^ :)
[06:02] <bazhang> the nanosecond
[06:02] <cyclonut> sslashes: maybe because gnome is already trying to use it?
[06:03] <MilhousePunkRock> cyclonut: Another thing that might work is switching the screen on manually (Fn-F3 here), or rather on/off repeatedly
[06:03] <cyclonut> MilhousePunkRock: I dont have a keey to do that, sadly
[06:03] <sslashes> cyclonut: nope, not in keyboard shortcuts anyway
[06:04] <thegeeker> cyclonut: manually trigger the lid down sensor
[06:04] <sslashes> is there a flat text file for configuring compix?
[06:04] <sslashes> *compix
[06:04] <sslashes> if not, where is the config stored?
[06:04] <cyclonut> I've opened and closed the lids many-a-time
[06:04] <cyclonut> err, lid
[06:05] <cyclonut> I suppose I just wont close my lid until final
[06:05] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: The guy on the photo being a KDE dev explains the "Downstream loves you" slogan, and it was probably taken on aKAdemy...
[06:05] <xMoth> i hope the RC will be released before 8pm ^^
[06:05] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: yep
[06:05] <Hobbsee> xMoth: i'm sure it will be - in some timezone.
[06:05] <thegeeker> cyclonut: if the lid sensor is wearing out, you may have to trigger it by pushing with a pen or something
[06:05] <Hobbsee> on some day
[06:06] <xMoth> xD
[06:06] <xMoth> I mean at gmt +1
[06:06] <cyclonut> thegeeker: I see... thing is though that it has only happened since the upgrade, on a relatively new computer
[06:06] <cyclonut> Ill try the manual thing though
[06:06] <thegeeker> cyclonut: gotcha
[06:07] <cyclonut> sad that I'm having such trouble with this beta... feisty seemed considerably more polished, though it was considerably less revolutionary too, I suppose
[06:08] <greedo_> hi
[06:08] <cyclonut> I suppose this will make Hoary (LTS, right?) all the better when I get my paws on it
[06:08] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: had to reinstall nvidia-glx-new and all is well  in xorg.conf land
[06:09] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: remove nvidia-glx-new then install it back.. alld one
[06:09] <greedo_> last time i upgraded (few days ago) i noticed an error message about update-notifier crash. now when i boot gutsy, file system is mounted read only, any idea ? how can i fix that ?
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> fsck the disks, to verify they are ok.
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> if a error is detected at boot. the fs's get mounted read only. as a safty feature.
[06:12] <greedo_> ok
[06:12] <macogw> cyclonut: hardy.  hoary's ancient
[06:12] <cyclonut> macogw: oops, that is what I meant... I knew hoary sounded weird.
[06:13] <macogw> by "ancient" i mean about as old as Debian OldStable
[06:13] <MilhousePunkRock> Yeah, I got a little puzzled too... Hoary sounded more familiar...
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> The Ancient Hoary Hedgehog hopped happly home...
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:13] <MilhousePunkRock> Dr_Willis: Historic Hoary... ;)
[06:13] <The_Viper> will rc be out today?
[06:14] <MilhousePunkRock> The_Viper: It's scheduled for today... To quote Hobsee: "That's the plan"
[06:14] <The_Viper> :)
[06:14] <Hobbsee> !rc is <reply> The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[06:14] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[06:14] <jussi01> lol
[06:14] <cyclonut> haha
[06:15] <The_Viper> hehe.. lotsa questions about that one i guess :P
[06:15] <nemik> are new updates safe? any breaking?
[06:15] <Hobbsee> nemik: yeah, we decided to break everything as we're doing a RC.  duh.
[06:15] <cyclonut> I'm having crappy luck with them, personally
[06:15] <The_Viper> cant understand how the devs can live with this time pressure
[06:15] <nemik> Hobbsee: ok cool. i'll hold off
[06:16] <Hobbsee> The_Viper: by staying away from userland channels?  :)
[06:16] <cyclonut> depending on what happens at final, I may have to reinstall feisty, which will seem positively ancient compared to some of the stuff going on in gutsy
[06:16] <The_Viper> Hobbsee: stop talking and develop :P
[06:16] <cellofellow> not so much as Dapper. ;)
[06:16] <cellofellow> :P
[06:17] <Hobbsee> The_Viper: meh.  fix some bugs for me.
[06:17] <Col-Panic> Hi everybody
[06:17] <Col-Panic> Are there some news on the RC?
[06:17] <Pici> !rc | Col-Panic
[06:17] <ubotu> Col-Panic: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[06:18] <Col-Panic> pici: Alright ;)
[06:18] <MilhousePunkRock> Pici: :D
[06:18] <Pici> :D
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> 'when its done'
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:18] <MisterN> Col-Panic: you delayed it :(
[06:18] <Col-Panic> I am very sorry. :)
[06:18] <Col-Panic> Feisty forever, then
[06:18] <The_Viper> Hobbsee: sure. I'll just fire up visual basic :P
[06:19] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Can't you have ubotu say !rc to everyone that joins? ;)
[06:19] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: we've found that they ignore onjoin notices.
[06:20] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Even if nick-highlighted? If that's possible at all...
[06:20] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: yeah.  people dont read.  including topics.
[06:21] <TheInfinity> automatic onjoins are like advertising popups - one time reading ok - but every join is really ... uh.
[06:23] <DanaG> Oh yeah, something to add for people going to install Vista later: Mark Vista's partition active.  Otherwise, it gets unhappy.
[06:23] <DanaG> I actually deleted my Vista partition to make more room for Ubuntu, actually.
[06:24] <Col-Panic> Why  not ban any discussion on the RC, then it would be here quite soon :)
[06:24] <TheInfinity> good idea ;)
[06:24] <cyclonut> something could be whispered/messaged to a person on jin
[06:24] <TheInfinity> cyclonut: whisperers on join are something for my ignore list - except if somebody writes a bot who just whisperes one time to registered users, this would be ok ...
[06:24] <Col-Panic> DoS on all of usenet, then
[06:24] <Col-Panic> "The War on Usenet"
[06:25] <DanaG> Gaack, my brighntess bug still hasn't been addressed.
[06:25] <cyclonut> DanaG: nor has mine, or thousands of others' brightness bugs :(
[06:25] <sslashes> weird, i loaded up gconf-editor and changed the mapping to what compizconfig would not let me set as an accelerator - and now that i did it in gconf-editor it works fine
[06:26] <cellofellow> My brightness doesn't work, or my sound. I'm rather confused about it, and wonder if I could fix it in Gentoo.
[06:26] <cellofellow> Actually, the screen dims when the laptop is unplugged, and brightens when plugged, but not controllable.
[06:26] <MTecknology> How can I change my touchpad config?
[06:27] <cellofellow> MTecknology: what brand? Synaptics?
[06:27] <nemik> why all this usenet hate?
[06:27] <MTecknology> cellofellow, I feel stupid, but i'm not sure. I think so though.
[06:27] <DanaG> bug 121833
[06:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[06:27] <majnoon> ok i upgraded to gutsyTRYING to get kde4 to run it gives me some kind of gtk setuid error
[06:28] <DanaG> I get this awful BLINKING on dimming.
[06:28] <cellofellow> MTecknology: try gsynaptics. Works for me (mostly)
[06:28] <DanaG> It's like Gnome is saying,  "Oh, you're idle?   Whap!"
[06:28] <DanaG> Where 'Whap' is it slapping you.
[06:28] <Col-Panic> nemik: Usenet is delaying Gutsy
[06:29] <nemik> Col-Panic: how so?
[06:29] <Col-Panic> nemik: Erm. Sorry. I meant IRC.
[06:30] <xMoth> Why?
[06:31] <majnoon> ok i upgraded to gutsy TRYING to get kde4 to run it gives me some kind of gtk setuid error
[06:31] <MTecknology> cellofellow, it says it can't start b/c I don't have 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf. Does this mean i probably don't have a synaptices touchpad, or do i just need to add it?
[06:31] <xMoth> Will the RC be released today or even not?
[06:32] <cellofellow> MTecknology: yeah, you need to add that to the file
[06:32] <MTecknology> cellofellow, what section?
[06:32] <cellofellow> MTecknology: in the section InputDevice with the driver synaptics.
[06:32] <Hobbsee> !rc | xMoth
[06:32] <ubotu> xMoth: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[06:32] <cellofellow> MTecknology: there are lots of InputDevices, so be sure it's the right one.
[06:32] <Hobbsee> xMoth: you're clearly american
[06:33] <MTecknology> cellofellow, do I add it as an option?
[06:33] <cellofellow> Yeah
[06:33] <cellofellow> Option "SHMConfig" "True"
[06:33] <MilhousePunkRock> xMoth: Thanks for making us wait even longer...
[06:34] <MTecknology> cellofellow, I'll try it out, thanks
[06:34] <cellofellow> what's new in the RC?
[06:34] <cellofellow> that's what I thought. :-)
[06:34] <gnomefreak> way is everyone waiting for it?
[06:34] <gnomefreak> s/way/why
[06:34] <cellofellow> no idea
[06:34] <DanaG> Why is shmconfig NOT enabled by default?
[06:34] <cellofellow> no idea
[06:34] <cellofellow> file a bug
[06:35] <xMoth> ^^
[06:35] <MilhousePunkRock> cellofellow: You can for sure fix that in Gentoo... If you have enough time and patience...
[06:35] <Hobbsee> there already is a bug, iirc
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> perhaps it can cause issues on other machines.
[06:35] <gnomefreak> lets try to explain this in terms you might get. DAILY ISO'S
[06:35] <xMoth> I'm not american
[06:35] <cellofellow> MilhousePunkRock: figured
[06:35] <Hobbsee> xMoth: you act like it.  not everyone lives in your timezone.
[06:35] <MilhousePunkRock> cellofellow: I used to use Gentoo for quite a while, dumped it for Kubuntu. Too much work...
[06:36] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: no, just let them wait.
[06:36] <Matir`> is there a gui tool to enable/setup dm-crypt?
[06:36] <MTecknology> cellofellow, It worked, but it doesn't let me change what I want... the area width that controls vertical scrolling
[06:36] <cellofellow> MilhousePunkRock: I've an nVidia HDA with SigmaTel STAC9200 chipset that just doesn't work in any of the binary distros I've tried.
[06:37] <DanaG> Oh yeah, to change the scroll area:
[06:37] <cellofellow> MTecknology: yeah, I noticed that. There is an option for xorg.conf to do that, but I can't figure out exactly what that is. man synaptics
[06:37] <DanaG> the parameter is RightEdge.
[06:37] <TheInfinity> .oO((if ther will be a time where people understand the sentence "its done when its done"?))
[06:37] <xMoth> hi TheInfinity ^^
[06:37] <cellofellow> DanaG: I know that much, but what do the integer values *mean*?
[06:37] <DanaG> Once you've restarted Xorg with SHMConfig enabled, you can try "synclient RightEdge=5000".
[06:37] <cellofellow> milimeters? "units"? no idea.
[06:38] <DanaG> The best approach is trial and error.
[06:38] <MilhousePunkRock> cellofellow: If you have evidence that it can work in general, go ahead and try Gentoo... Installing is pretty easy with the handbook, but be aware that a Gentoo system basically never gets finished...
[06:38] <cellofellow> Yeah, ok.
[06:38] <cellofellow> I don't think I have the time.
[06:38] <MilhousePunkRock> cellofellow: And if you can't make it work in Gentoo, it can't be made working in Linux in general, I guess...
[06:38] <xMoth> !rc
[06:38] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[06:38] <xMoth> ok thats nice
[06:39] <cellofellow> MilhousePunkRock: oh, apparently it can be done.
[06:41] <MilhousePunkRock> cellofellow: In Gentoo or even *buntu?
[06:42] <cyclonut> wow. Ive had nothing to update for hours
[06:42] <cellofellow> Fedora actually. Need to build ALSA though :(
[06:42] <cyclonut> im going to go into update withdrawl
[06:42] <cellofellow> I haven't had updates in days. Switching back to the normal US mirror instead of the local.
[06:43] <MilhousePunkRock> cellofellow: Fedora is binary too, isn't it?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> cellofellow: how does that help?
[06:43] <cellofellow> yeah, but you have to BUILD ALSA.
[06:43] <cellofellow> Hobbsee: not sure, still doing the apt-get update thing.
[06:43] <MilhousePunkRock> cellofellow: That's not more than ./configure && make && make install
[06:43] <cellofellow> Just maybe the local mirror is out of sync.
[06:43] <Hobbsee> cellofellow: US is also a mirror
[06:44] <cellofellow> MilhousePunkRock: yeah, but lots of package depend on alsa, and they won't install without it being there as a package.
[06:44] <cellofellow> Just not worth it.
[06:44] <MilhousePunkRock> Shouldn't _the_ server be in South Africa? Or doesn't Shuttleworth live there=
[06:44] <Hobbsee> cellofellow: but perhaps you should use logic - if there's an RC coming out, do you expect a whole lot of changes at the same time, or do you expect the archive to be more or less frozen?
[06:44] <Hobbsee> cellofellow: hint:  the stuff in the topic may be useful, if you need it.
[06:44] <MilhousePunkRock> cellofellow: Well, install the package, uninstall it, and only it, then rebuild it
[06:44] <cellofellow> Hobbsee: All I know is I now have updates after switching back to the main US mirror.
[06:45] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: servers are in the UK, where the canonical offices are
[06:45] <cellofellow> MilhousePunkRock: yeah, well, I'm lazy. Sound ain't that important. I got the Tidal Wave effect working in Compiz for alerts, and I'm good.
[06:45] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Yeah, thought so... I guess people spill their teas on the servers quite often, uk.ubuntu.com often times out for me
[06:45] <OldPink> Hi all
[06:45] <DanaG> Oh yeah, if all else fails, you can download the HG ALSA.
[06:46] <OldPink> Since upgrading to Gutsy, my battery in the laptop isn't recognized
[06:46] <cellofellow> HG?
[06:46] <DanaG> Mercurial.  It's a version-control system.
[06:46] <OldPink> acpi -s :   Battery 1: slot empty
[06:46] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: uk.a.u.c is another mirror.
[06:47] <MilhousePunkRock> cellofellow: Since *buntu is the most popular distro, I am sure someone has already built the .deb package for your needs... Check for a debian package too, but beware that it might break...
[06:47] <silkcom> I'm trying to figure out how to autostart synergy before login but after X anyone know how?
[06:47] <cellofellow> Ok, I need to remember to use the local mirrors only on STABLE distros.
[06:47] <DanaG> silkcom: perhaps add it as a background program in gdm.conf-custom.
[06:47] <OldPink> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/127773
[06:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127773 in hal "A/C Status, CPU Temp, and Battery no longer recognized as present after upgrade to Gutsy in Dell Latitude L400" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[06:47] <silkcom> what about if Im running kdm?
[06:47] <Hobbsee> cellofellow: if you use the master archive, like a lot of other people, it'll slow down to a crawl
[06:47] <MilhousePunkRock> silkcom: I think I read how it can be done a while back. So the info is out there...
[06:47] <cellofellow> MilhousePunkRock: the fix is posted as a comment on the bug report in launchpad. But I'm too stupid to figure this one out. ALSA confuses me.
[06:48] <silkcom> :) im sure it's somewhere
[06:48] <cellofellow> Hobbsee: my internet is too slow to notice.
[06:48] <silkcom> actually i think it would be ok for it to load whenever, it doesn't seem to be an x program
[06:48] <silkcom> anytime after my network starts up
[06:48] <DanaG> us.archive,
[06:48] <MilhousePunkRock> silkcom: It's not... So maybe it's just a one line script?
[06:48] <DanaG> mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu.
[06:49] <DanaG> and san1.csc.calpoly.edu.
[06:49] <Hobbsee> "if no one knows what the primary mirror is, then everyone wont use the primary mirror, and therefore trash it - particularly if it's strangely named"
[06:49] <hydrogen> it would be nice for mirrors.ubuntu.com to be a round robin dns
[06:49] <hydrogen> that just shovels the connector off
[06:49] <hydrogen> at some attempt for load balancing
[06:49] <DanaG> You ain't seen fast internet until you've downloaded from mirrors.kernel.org on a GbE connection.
[06:50] <cellofellow> I do prefer the local mirrors, but the one I was using was out of date.
[06:50] <DanaG> It goes so fast, you'll be bottlenecked by your hard drive.
[06:50] <cellofellow> There are two (I think) in utah. mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu, and ubuntu.cs.utah.edu
[06:50] <cellofellow> xmission is a local ISP.
[06:51] <cellofellow> but the xmission one I was using was out of date, not keeping up with the updates.
[06:51] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: The primary "mirror" isn't a mirror to be precise, is it?
[06:52] <DanaG> Put the local one above the official one in sources.list, and it'll be preferred if it's up to date.
[06:52] <cellofellow> ah, ok
[06:52] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: well, yeah.  primary archive would be better
[06:52] <Hobbsee> DanaG: the order matters?
[06:52] <Hobbsee> i thoght it was just done by apt priorities
[06:53] <DanaG> For mirrors of the same distro, order does seem to matter.
[06:53] <Hobbsee> interesting.
[06:53] <DanaG> I had to find that by googling for something like 'apt mirror priorities'.
[06:54] <gnomefreak> shouldnt it depends on what one was updated last?
[06:54] <ksivaji> Is there any risk in upgrading from feisty to guisty now ?
[06:54] <cyclonut> ksivaji: sure.
[06:54] <gnomefreak> ksivaji: always a risk upgrading
[06:55] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: latest version number.
[06:55] <MilhousePunkRock> Speaking of such: How come my adept does not have the setting that are shown own Riddel's how-to pictures for upgrading to Gutsy?
[06:55] <gnomefreak> ksivaji: it will be safest when its released but still back up
[06:55] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: think of your fun with ppa's.
[06:55] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: yes
[06:55] <gnomefreak> :)
[06:55] <ksivaji> gnomefreak ok
[06:55] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i just uploaded tritiun to PPA :)
[06:55] <MilhousePunkRock> For instance, settings for automatic update checks, as in configuring apt-notifier...
[06:56] <gnomefreak> as long as repos are not commented out it should not matter what order they are in
[06:57] <gnomefreak> apt doesnt care if the chicken came before the egg it cares that its there
[06:57] <thelaser> is there any reason to prefer reinstalling after the official release, or is apt-get upgrading from the RC OK for a new system, assuming no severe breakage between now and then?
[06:57] <gnomefreak> thelaser: upgrade is fine
[06:58] <gnomefreak> thelaser:  gutsy > gutsy apt will get newest packages that it has in repos so if your on gutsy you will be updated along the releases with apt
[06:58] <Konam> savvas you didn't told me what would those commands do?
[06:59] <thelaser> do we actually have an official RC iso, or just the daily "release candidate candidate"?
[06:59] <Konam> I'm referring to this: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:59] <Konam> then alt-f2 compiz --replace &
[06:59] <musikgoat> I'm having trouble keeping my clock correct when having it set to NTP.   when going to the time&date props and check different servers, but never does the time set correctly.
[07:00] <MilhousePunkRock> Konam: The first line will update your package list and get all upgrades
[07:00] <Seipher> Is anyone else finding that.  I am using a low end Radeon Mobility with the opensource drivers but like I said it wasn't a problem in Fiesty
[07:00] <MilhousePunkRock> Konam: The second will start compiz instead your current WM
[07:00] <Konam> MilhousePunkRock i know that, the second
[07:00] <Seipher> sigh, copy paste loses again.  Let me try that one more time
[07:00] <Hobbsee> thelaser: one becomes the other.  the RC is not out yet, no.
[07:00] <Seipher> I just recently did the upgrade from Feisty to the Gutsy beta/preview(?) and I am finding that compiz performance is significantly worse than it was when I installed trevino's stuff in Fiesty.
[07:01] <Konam> MilhousePunkRock and how do set my previous vm back gnome --replace &
[07:01] <Konam> ?
[07:01] <schreder> what do I need to be abe
[07:01] <schreder> able to play dvds in totem
[07:01] <MilhousePunkRock> Konam: I know nothing about Gnome
[07:01] <Konam> Seipher I found that it was better :)
[07:01] <Seipher> Could it be some old setting from before upgrading?
[07:01] <cyclonut> schreder: I usually grab whats necessary from easyubuntu
[07:01] <Konam> MilhousePunkRock so with kde "kde --replace &"
[07:01] <Konam> ?
[07:01] <Milos_SD> When RC will be released ?
[07:01] <MilhousePunkRock> schreder: lidvd? libcss?
[07:01] <thelaser> Hobbsee: ah, thanks.  Where would the designation of a daily as the RC be made?
[07:02] <cyclonut> schreder: on the other hand, you could just install vlc and use that for everything
[07:02] <MilhousePunkRock> !rc | Milos_SD
[07:02] <ubotu> Milos_SD: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[07:02] <Seipher> I am also getting vertical line artifacts on the screen
[07:02] <musikgoat> hehe
[07:02] <benzon> Is it possible to use the Feisty Compiz-Fusino Reppos on Gutsy? because i want to try out some of the unsupported Plugins for Compiz
[07:02] <benzon> Is it possible to use the Feisty Compiz-Fusion Reppos on Gutsy? because i want to try out some of the unsupported Plugins for Compiz
[07:02] <DanaG> What I mean about priority is this:
[07:03] <DanaG> If two mirrors have the SAME version of something, then the one listed first will be used first.
[07:03] <Konam> benzon the unsupported plugins are in gutsy repos too
[07:03] <schreder> well I do have vlc, but I cant play dvds in it.. it doesn't show any error, it just doesn't play anything and totem complains about missing plugins
[07:03] <bazhang> new updates for compiz-core 0.6!
[07:04] <MilhousePunkRock> schreder: Did you start VLC from the shell to see if there are errors you don't see otherwise?
[07:04] <Seipher> Its quite odd.  I am using an older ati-mobility card with the opensource driver.  It worked fine on feisty though.  Now it is a bit choppy and I get these artifacts, vertical lines just to the right of windows and menus sometimes.
[07:04] <MilhousePunkRock> DanaG: So if I move my local mirror up in the list, it might be a blink faster?
[07:04] <bazhang> Konam: that would be kwin --replace &
[07:05] <schreder> libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/pixl/.dvdnav/VNINGSKR.map'
[07:05] <schreder> libdvdread: Invalid main menu IFO (VIDEO_TS.IFO).
[07:05] <schreder> libdvdnav: vm: faild to read VIDEO_TS.IFO
[07:05] <schreder> libdvdread: Invalid IFO for VMGM (VIDEO_TS.IFO).
[07:05] <benzon> Konam, cant find them tho what are they called?
[07:05] <Konam> bazhang so gnome would be metacity --replace &?
[07:05] <MilhousePunkRock> !paste | schreder
[07:05] <ubotu> schreder: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:05] <schreder> then it complains about not being able to read the disk
[07:06] <schreder> oops :)
[07:06] <Konam> benzon search for compiz and they should appera on the list
[07:06] <musikgoat> I'm having trouble keeping my clock correct when having it set to NTP.   when going to the time&date props and check different servers, but never does the time set correctly.
[07:06] <schreder> MilhousePunkRock, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40275/
[07:07] <benzon> Konam, hmmm they cant find them when i search only extras and main addons
[07:07] <MilhousePunkRock> schreder: Line 3 has it, you will need libcss
[07:07] <MilhousePunkRock> schreder: Which is illegal in some countries, by the way...
[07:08] <benzon> Konam, compiz-fusion-plugins-extra, compiz-fusion-plugins-main, compiz-plugins
[07:08] <milos83> when is rc going to be released?
[07:08] <Pici> !rc | milos83
[07:08] <ubotu> milos83: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[07:08] <MilhousePunkRock> !rc | milos83
[07:08] <Konam> benzon my bad, they aren't in the gutsy repos
[07:08] <Hobbsee> !rc | milos83
[07:09] <benzon> Konam ;) will the Reppo for Feisty work or ?
[07:09] <schreder> MilhousePunkRock, eh.. why is that? :P
[07:09] <Hobbsee> hey, we didnt have anyone asking that for around half an hour it seems!  that was good!
[07:09] <milos83> thanks
[07:09] <schreder> so its illegal to play encrypted dvds?
[07:09] <virtuelv> does anyone know if some of the blacklisted cards in compiz-fusion are going to get off the blacklist before release?
[07:09] <virtuelv> schreder: only in the US
[07:09] <MilhousePunkRock> schreder: Well... Ask the industry, or the government... That does not hinder you from installing libcss, does it?
[07:09] <savvas> Hobbsee: haha, that was your part of ubotu's artificial intelligence I suppose :p
[07:10] <schreder> no.. i was just wandering why :D
[07:10] <Hobbsee> savvas: :)
[07:10] <Hobbsee> !ping
[07:10] <ubotu> pong
[07:10] <MilhousePunkRock> Weird enough that we are talking about _playing_ which should be your right if you bought/rented a DVD...
[07:10] <Konam> benzon it depends, if its the trevio repo I think they will not be installed. bizarre yea, but it happened to my trying to get his AWN build on gutsy
[07:10] <gabbarinho> so how come VLC is legal?
[07:11] <gabbarinho> it plays DVD without add-on codecs, doesn't it?
[07:11] <MilhousePunkRock> gabbarinho: You can purely use free codecs...
[07:11] <MilhousePunkRock> gabbarinho: Apparently not, ask schreder
[07:11] <gabbarinho> ah.
[07:11] <cyclonut> (VLC plays DVD's perfectly without addons for me...)
[07:11] <gabbarinho> I thought so
[07:11] <darkzero> Greeting all
[07:11] <savvas> cyclonut: encrypted ones?
[07:12] <benzon> Konam, okay - so did you get AWN to work on Gutsy then from the reppo ?
[07:12] <gabbarinho> aren't almost all DVDs encrypted?
[07:12] <cyclonut> savvas: well, any dvd on my shelf
[07:12] <gabbarinho> it seems to play all the movies I have
[07:12] <bazhang> darkzero: the experts are here now.
[07:12] <Konam> benzon no, I will build one myself
[07:12] <MilhousePunkRock> I never even tried to play DVDs on the PC... Not back in Windows, not here...
[07:12] <darkzero> thanks
[07:12] <benzon> Konam okay :)
[07:13] <gabbarinho> I used to back when DVD players were kind of expensive
[07:13] <cyclonut> I dont own a TV so I've not got much choice :-P
[07:13] <gabbarinho> still do sometimes
[07:14] <darkzero> So, is the RC1 releases and all bugs fix complete or almost?
[07:14] <MilhousePunkRock> Well, my girlfriend was sick lately, so we watched a DVD in bed lately... That was on her Windows laptop though, VLC popped right up and played it...
[07:14] <schreder> woohoo now I can play that dvd :D
[07:15] <MilhousePunkRock> darkzero: If there are no severe problems, the RC is identical to the final release...
[07:15] <MilhousePunkRock> schreder: libcss?
[07:15] <schreder> yeah
[07:15] <gabbarinho> is that already out?
[07:15] <schreder> why is it not in the repository?
[07:15] <gabbarinho> is it the RC that you're having the lid problem with, cyclo?
[07:16] <MilhousePunkRock> schreder: That should be in multiverse, I guess, along with the mp3 codec and such
[07:16] <cyclonut> I dont even think the RC is out yet
I see, but I hope they fix the sound problems which alot of people and myself been haivng.
[07:16] <cyclonut> gabbarinho: it is with all latest updates installed that I am having hte lid problem with, as well as kernel panics
[07:16] <schreder> MilhousePunkRock, i installed it with a script in libdvdread3 package
[07:16] <gabbarinho> what's your complaint with the RC?
[07:16] <xMoth> is it possible to test KDE4 in Gutsy?
[07:16] <gabbarinho> I forgot about the kernal panics
[07:17] <gabbarinho> must be frustrating for you
[07:17] <Matir`> cyclonut, when do you get kernel panics?
[07:17] <MilhousePunkRock> xMoth: Yes. Look at http://kubuntu.org in the KDE Beta release message
[07:17] <Pici> !kde4 | xMoth
[07:17] <ubotu> xMoth: KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[07:17] <cyclonut> Matir`: seemingly randomly... often with a java-based app running, frequently with Azureus, less so with Eclipse
[07:19] <cyclonut> tried swapping the java versions, from 1.6 to 1.5 with no improvement (though 1.5 uses less memory...)
[07:19] <MilhousePunkRock> cyclonut: Dump Azureus, it's bloatware... KTorrent is nice and slim
[07:19] <cyclonut> MilhousePunkRock: Dont really want to install the kde libs
[07:19] <MilhousePunkRock> cyclonut: Even torrent with Wine is better
[07:19] <gabbarinho> maybe open source software is just dodgy, like imported drugs from canada
[07:19] <bazhang> transmission is nice too
[07:19] <darkzero> if your using gnome desktop us deluge-torrent
[07:19] <darkzero> its the best
[07:19] <cyclonut> MilhousePunkRock: and utorrent (nice work on the mu symbol) doesn't work for me
[07:19] <MilhousePunkRock> bazhang: Isn't that for mac?
[07:19] <cyclonut> deluge eh
[07:19] <bazhang> and Linux
[07:20] <darkzero> use deluge-torrent
[07:20] <darkzero> I meant to say
[07:20] <gabbarinho> does anybody use Windows in VMware?
[07:20] <MilhousePunkRock> cyclonut: It's Alt-Gr+m here... I need it a lot for uni work... L and such
[07:20] <cyclonut> does deluge have some sort of peerblocker plugin?
[07:20] <darkzero> yeah it does
[07:20] <MilhousePunkRock> gabbarinho: I tried, required activation, never done it, now it's locked
[07:20] <cyclonut> MilhousePunkRock: got nothin
[07:20] <gabbarinho> ah
[07:20] <OldPink> Really need help with this guys, any ideas?
[07:20] <OldPink> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/127773
[07:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127773 in hal "A/C Status, CPU Temp, and Battery no longer recognized as present after upgrade to Gutsy in Dell Latitude L400" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[07:21] <gabbarinho> I was wondering about the performance
[07:21] <gabbarinho> I still need Windows for a few things
[07:21] <MilhousePunkRock> gabbarinho: I got it to boot, at least. Network never worked for me... I never tried hard though...
[07:21] <gabbarinho> it does look a bit of work to set up
[07:21] <savvas> Hobbsee: can you check something for me, if it's correct or not? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/151605
[07:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151605 in ubuntu "initramfs-tools should be depending on util-linux package" [Undecided,New] 
[07:21] <MilhousePunkRock> OldPink: Did you reboot? Happens to me all the time when hal is updated, goes away after reboot
[07:22] <gabbarinho> how's performance with WINE?
[07:22] <OldPink> Yeah, rebooted 3 times now
[07:22] <OldPink> MilhousePunkRock: Rebooted many times, at least once after each change
[07:22] <MilhousePunkRock> gabbarinho: Performance was a little worse than native, but not unusable in vmware...
[07:22] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I have to go now.
[07:22] <OldPink> MilhousePunkRock: WIll it be hal or hal-info based?
[07:22] <gabbarinho> only a little worse? that's better than I expected
[07:22] <DanaG> The best way to find a fast mirror is to google for "ubuntu mirrors", find one in your area, and try downloading something large.
[07:23] <Trewas> compiz does not support two monitor setups (configured as two separate X screens)? the first screens works ok but the second one is missing all window decorations
[07:23] <Hobbsee> savvas: no idea if that's correct
[07:23] <Hobbsee> savvas: should be under the source of whatever initramfs-tools is, though
[07:23] <xMoth> in some cases wine is better than windows
[07:23] <MilhousePunkRock> OldPink: No idea, I only noticed that the battery info disappears when hal is updated...
[07:23] <gabbarinho> tre, i have no idea how to do it, but i've seen youtube clips of compiz running on two monitors
[07:24] <gabbarinho> how does that work, moth?
[07:24] <xMoth> http://wiki.winehq.org/BenchMarks?action=show
[07:24] <MilhousePunkRock> gabbarinho: Won't that work automagically when you have a working dual-head setup?
[07:24] <xMoth> gabbarinho: http://wiki.winehq.org/BenchMarks?action=show
[07:24] <savvas> Hobbsee: initramfs-tools should be directly depending on util-linux then?
[07:24] <gabbarinho> i guess so, but Trewas says he has problems
[07:24] <Hobbsee> savvas: like i say, i dont know
[07:25] <savvas> Hobbsee: ok thanks :)
[07:25] <gabbarinho> interesting stuff, moth - thanks for the link
[07:25] <MilhousePunkRock> What happened to #ubuntu-effects ?
[07:25] <gnomefreak> MilhousePunkRock: its there
[07:25] <gabbarinho> i guess emulation has come a long way
[07:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Why does nobody use it then, gnomefreak ;)
[07:26] <gnomefreak> they do
[07:26] <gnomefreak> we do
[07:26] <gabbarinho> WINE's another thing I don't look forward to figuring out, though I'll have to do it
[07:26] <gnomefreak> MilhousePunkRock: right now people are kind of busy trying to get ubuntu gutsy so you can use it but im sure we can all stop fixing gutsy to support people in -effects
[07:26] <darkzero> Hmm, is there a way to upgrade all gnome app in feisty with gutsy?
[07:27] <Trewas> gabbarinho, MilhousePunkRock: I guess the problem is that I have configured dual-head as two separate screens (no way to move windows between screens etc), but that's for a reason because the second "monitor" is tv so I really want to keep them separate
[07:27] <gnomefreak> darkzero: upgrade to gutsy
[07:27] <MilhousePunkRock> gnomefreak: Not if I was to decide... I am not a big fan of all the effects...
[07:27] <gabbarinho> ah
[07:27] <gabbarinho> isn't there a #compiz-fusion?
[07:27] <gnomefreak> gabbarinho: yes
[07:27] <gnomefreak> and a #compiz
[07:27] <gabbarinho> they might know better :)
[07:27] <gnomefreak> and a bunch of others
[07:28] <darkzero> compiz-fusion need work and update the latest with compiz-fusion.org been releasing
[07:29] <mzuverink> I used aptitude to add xubuntu-desktop on a server install, how can I get it to totally remove everything xubuntu-desktop installed?
[07:30] <dennisharrison> hey guys, how can I turn off banshee from starting everytime I plug in a usb memory device?
does it really work?
[07:30] <gnomefreak> darkzero: does what really work?
[07:30] <gnomefreak> darkzero: gutys?
[07:30] <gnomefreak> gutsy
upgrtade gnome desktop on feisty from gutsy
[07:31] <gnomefreak> darkzero: gutsy works for some some it doesnt its not stable yet but will be in a week or 2
[07:31] <gnomefreak> darkzero: you have to upgrade your whole system not just gnome
[07:31] <gnomefreak> !upgrade | darkzero
[07:31] <ubotu> darkzero: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[07:32] <gabbarinho> is there any way to pull up a running program with a keyboard shortcut?
[07:32] <dennisharrison> alt tab? ;p
[07:32] <gabbarinho> say, if i had a firefox window with gmail running
[07:32] <xMoth> Why did they delete the Gutsy Betas from the servers?
[07:32] <dennisharrison> use opera if you want to leave something running gabbarinho
[07:32] <gabbarinho> yeah, well... an faster alternative to alt-tab :)
[07:32] <Theory> to make space for the upcoming release candidate
[07:32] <gabbarinho> opera is actually how i got the idea
[07:32] <dennisharrison> ff has memory leaks currently
Sa, do you have a sound problem when playing a cd or mkv and ogn video files?
[07:33] <dennisharrison> related to javascript
[07:33] <gabbarinho> i always have a google notebook open, and a g-mail, and a notepad, etc
[07:33] <dennisharrison> yeah use opera for those
[07:33] <dennisharrison> and then assign the shortcuts there
[07:33] <dennisharrison> I do the same
[07:33] <dennisharrison> have it all in another desktop
[07:33] <gabbarinho> if i could use the numpad to pull up any of those programs it'd be great
[07:33] <Pici> !enter | dennisharrison
[07:33] <ubotu> dennisharrison: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:33] <dennisharrison> thanks Pici
[07:33] <gabbarinho> i'm glad somebody else does it
[07:34] <gabbarinho> unfortunately opera doesn't really work with google notebook
[07:34] <dennisharrison> most of my friends have it setup like that too :)
[07:34] <dennisharrison> no?
[07:34] <gabbarinho> first, there's no plug-in
[07:34] <gabbarinho> it kind of works
[07:34] <gabbarinho> but some features are buggy or don't appear at all
[07:35] <dennisharrison> hmm, I know you could assign a shortcut key to a program but not sure about the tab.  Maybe they have an addon for that in ff ?
[07:36] <cyclonut> to switch to a certain tab in FF you can use ctrl + 1 or ctrl +2, etc
[07:36] <gabbarinho> good question
[07:36] <gabbarinho> oh, that's useful
[07:36] <gabbarinho> i am looking for a little more though
[07:36] <gabbarinho> i'd have to have that firefox window active
[07:37] <gabbarinho> i'm looking for a way to pull up window x at any time with the press of a key
[07:37] <dennisharrison> you could copy ff gabbarinho and have a different profile in use
[07:37] <gabbarinho> say, "4" brings up VLC player, "1" for the firefox window with gmail, etc
[07:37] <dennisharrison> then have that particular binary and profile for only your google stuff
[07:38] <gabbarinho> that sounds good, but i'm not sure what you mean :)
[07:38] <dennisharrison> anyone here have the quick way for disabling banshee from popping up everytime I plug a damn usb memory device in?
[07:39] <savvas> dennisharrison: system > preferences > removable device..
[07:39] <savvas> dennisharrison: removable drives and media, sorry
[07:39] <pookey> did the release candidate come out today?
[07:39] <savvas> dennisharrison: head to the multimedia tab and uncheck the last one
[07:40] <dennisharrison> gabbarinho, look at where firefox is on your system, copy it somewhere else, call it gfox or something, erase the profile from it, setup a new one call it googleizer or something, then setup the default tabs in there on start. make sure to call the binary something different (not sure it will work) and then you can just hot key that window.  It will still be ff, but just a different process with a different name, so you c
[07:40] <dennisharrison> an target it specifically
[07:40] <dennisharrison> savvas, thank you much :)  Just upgraded finally
[07:40] <xMoth> !rc | pookey
[07:40] <ubotu> pookey: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[07:40] <gabbarinho> ah, I understand now
[07:40] <gabbarinho> it's not a bad idea
[07:41] <dennisharrison> its not a good idea either ;p
[07:41] <mzuverink> my server install(just installed)says release candidate already I believe
[07:41] <pookey> xMoth: I have a feeling that's meant to be witty, but it's phrased really badly, so I'm not sure ;)
[07:41] <xMoth> ^^
[07:41] <xMoth> I hope that it'll be released today
[07:41] <savvas> mzuverink: where does it say that?
[07:42] <mzuverink> how do you get a version output?
[07:42] <savvas> that's what I want to know ;)
[07:43] <IndyGunFreak> i want to know when gparted will be fixed in Gutsy..lol
[07:43] <pookey> xMoth: do you know where the changelog is?
[07:43] <pookey> ah, it'so k - I found it TI think
[07:43] <Pici> pookey: Why is it phrased bady?
[07:43] <Pici> badly even.
[07:44] <pookey> Pici: it makes me think someone just asked that question, and it's 2 hours since then.
[07:45] <Konam> savvas the command didn't did the trick, I'm still getting it: http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3956/pantallazoml6.png
[07:45] <xMoth> i wonder that they didnt give a time ^^
[07:46] <pookey> and if it's that common a question today, it should probably be in teh topic anyway :)
[07:47] <fluffles> hi people, the 7.10-beta is gone, is the RC coming within hours or days?
[07:47] <MTecknology> how can I make that [...]  in lanuchpad so a bug i submit doesn't take 1/2 hour to read?
[07:47] <pookey> fluffles: 2 hours from just a few seconds ago as far as I can tell
[07:48] <Pici> !rc | fluffles :)
[07:48] <ubotu> fluffles :): The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[07:48] <savvas> Konam: remind me what the problem was
[07:48] <fluffles> ok then i'll wait for it
[07:48] <dennisharrison> free beer tomorrow
[07:48] <gabbarinho> how many people actually use ubuntu?
[07:48] <fluffles> lol
[07:48] <gabbarinho> or variants
[07:48] <dennisharrison> gabbarinho, about 3
[07:48] <fluffles> well i can't download the beta so thats kind of weird :)
[07:48] <pookey> dennisharrison: I think it was 4 at the last count
[07:49] <fluffles> "The beta images have been removed to make space on mirrors for the upcoming release candidate. Please check back soon."
[07:49] <hit> playing flash in firefox produces this: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[07:49] <hit> any ideas?
[07:49] <dennisharrison> pookey, yeah... very small user base.  Most people use slack.  It's the bomb
[07:49] <gabbarinho> those numbers sound inflated to me
[07:49] <pookey> dennisharrison: 'da bomb', obviuosly.
[07:49] <dennisharrison> pookey, clearly :)
[07:49] <Konam> savvas white slashes on the windows borders with compiz enabled, look at the image:  http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3956/pantallazoml6.png
[07:50] <dennisharrison> Konam, that is a compiz thing
[07:50] <dennisharrison> what video driver?
[07:50] <Konam> dennisharrison nvidia, the one that gutsy installed
[07:50] <dennisharrison> Konam, what video card? is this on a laptop?
[07:51] <Konam> dennisharrison I know is a compiz thing but this happens to me on a default installation so this _will_ happen to some people whis the stable release
[07:51] <dennisharrison> and, what happens when you minimize the window then bring it back up?
[07:51] <savvas> Konam: apt-cache policy compiz, the installed and candidate versions?
[07:51] <Konam> no, is my desktop, nvidia fx5200 128MB
[07:52] <dennisharrison> what happens when you minimize and bring it back up?
[07:52] <Konam> savvas  Installed: 1:0.6.0+git20071008-0ubuntu1 Candidate: 1:0.6.0+git20071008-0ubuntu1
[07:53] <bastid_raZor> savvas: removing and reinstall nvidia-glx-new solved my problems
[07:53] <savvas> bastid_raZor: great!
[07:53] <IndyGunFreak> anyone know how to install avant window manager for gutsy?
[07:53] <dennisharrison> IndyGunFreak, compile it from source ?
[07:53] <bastid_raZor> savvas: yeah, if only now i could get my tweaks for dual monitors back in order ;)
[07:54] <IndyGunFreak> dennisharrison: guess i didn't think of that...lol,
[07:54] <IndyGunFreak> !avant
[07:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avant - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <Pici> IndyGunFreak: add: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42/ gutsy avant-window-navigator
[07:54] <Pici> and: deb-src http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42/ gutsy avant-window-navigator
[07:54] <bastid_raZor> savvas: the toolbars top and bottom run through both screens when i want it to stay in the first only.
[07:54] <IndyGunFreak> pici
[07:54] <IndyGunFreak> Pici: ok
[07:54] <hetauma> hi
[07:54] <bastid_raZor> besides that small small issue.. all is great in land of gutsy
[07:54] <hetauma> is it possible to set different backgrounds for each workspace in compiz ?
[07:55] <savvas> bastid_raZor: maybe it's time for a bug report, or ask someone else, I have an old crt monitor :P
[07:55] <dennisharrison> bastid_raZor, I have the same, but I wanted it that way :)
[07:55] <savvas> Konam: without the compiz you don't have that problem, right?
[07:55] <Konam> savvas right
[07:56] <bastid_raZor> dennisharrison: i tend to keep several things in my 2nd monitor that i want to use that little extra bit of desk space
[07:56] <dennisharrison> savvas, correct, the problem he has is from the card and driver combination, but it is really a compiz bug
[07:56] <bastid_raZor> plus, i dislike how it puts some dialog windows in both windows
[07:56] <Col-Panic> !rc
[07:56] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[07:56] <dennisharrison> Konam, update the nvidia driver and see if that does it, if not I will help you disable some vertex options
[07:57] <bastid_raZor> savvas: thanks for all the help earlier. i'm not sure if that is a bug or how my xorg.conf is tweaked.. i have a friend who will help shortly
[07:57] <a-v> !rc
[07:57] <dennisharrison> bastid_raZor, yeah hrmm... not sure compiz supports that?
[07:57] <hetauma> what is rc ?
[07:57] <dennisharrison> remote control
[07:57] <Pici> hetauma: release candidate
[07:57] <bastid_raZor> dennisharrison: in fiesty i had it working like a charm and at this moment i'm running emerald --replace with zero issues
[07:57] <Col-Panic> really cool
[07:57] <dennisharrison> Pici, shhhh ;p
[07:57] <dennisharrison> Col-Panic, lol
[07:57] <Pici> :p
[07:58] <Konam> dennisharrison update it? if there is an update ubuntu will notify me...
[07:58] <hetauma> Pici, for the next release? after gutsy ?
[07:58] <dennisharrison> bastid_raZor, you are a better man then I when it comes to that then :)  Wish I could help
[07:58] <Konam> dennisharrison I've checked it and there aren't any updates
[07:58] <Pici> hetauma: er, no for Gutsy
[07:58] <Pici> !rc | hetauma
[07:58] <ubotu> hetauma: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[07:58] <Stevethepirate> Hi, my Xserver has crashed, attempts to start in "low graphics" mode.. but is fail.
[07:58] <Stevethepirate> any help?
[07:58] <dennisharrison> Konam, get the binary driver from nvidia
[07:58] <hetauma> ty
[07:58] <bastid_raZor> dennisharrison: i sorta cheated. i have a friend who is a mac freak who likes to tinker with linux.
[07:58] <dennisharrison> Stevethepirate, fail as in?  What does the log say?
[07:59] <savvas> Konam: have you posted the bug yet? http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[07:59] <dennisharrison> bastid_raZor, his name isn't bitmonk huh? ;p
[07:59] <Stevethepirate> dennisharrison: the log reports no EE's or WW
[07:59] <Stevethepirate> but X doesn't start properly.
[07:59] <Stevethepirate> Like.
[07:59] <Stevethepirate> -Doesn't start-
[07:59] <Col-Panic>  /leave
[07:59] <dennisharrison> Stevethepirate, any help in error messages?
[07:59] <Konam> savvas no, I thought it will have a workaround or something
[07:59] <Stevethepirate> None whatsoever
[07:59] <savvas> Col-Panic: the exit is on your left ;)
[07:59] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: i fixed my issues. apt-get remove nvidia* then install nvidia-glx-new and all the recommended things it wants
[08:00] <savvas> Konam: I think it's a bug, try and report it
[08:00] <Stevethepirate> bastid_raZor: sure?
[08:00] <Col-Panic> savvas: I was hoping somebody else tried that as well ;)
[08:00] <dennisharrison> Stevethepirate, wow, ok, have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver yet?
[08:00] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: what i found out is you need to reinstall nvidia drivers.. and Yes.. i had your same issue an hour ago
[08:00] <dennisharrison> Konam, before you report the bug try to update your video drivers
[08:00] <dennisharrison> Konam, so you have something to report
[08:01] <Stevethepirate> dennisharrison: about 10^4 times
[08:01] <dennisharrison> Stevethepirate, ahh well then check out what bastid_raZor said then.  I was just shooting in the dark ;p
[08:01] <Konam> dennisharrison is the same version: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkg1
[08:01] <fangorious> I used to have some custom modelines in my xorg.conf in feisty which at some point stopped being recognized. In gutsy I can use xrandr --newmode and xrandr --addmode to enable those resolutions, but I have to do it every time I boot. What's the way to add local startup stuff using upstart?
[08:01] <Stevethepirate> dennisharrison: doing so..
[08:02] <dennisharrison> Konam, from nvidias website?
[08:02] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[08:02] <Konam> dennisharrison yes
[08:02] <Stevethepirate> okaty
[08:02] <Stevethepirate> updating.. 4meg sec apt-get ftw
[08:02] <lee__> ahh
[08:02] <dennisharrison> Konam, try a beta driver, or roll back one to see if the behavior changes, or at least be extremely specific in your bug report
[08:02] <lee__> the right place
[08:02] <Stevethepirate> lols
[08:02] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: aptitude install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic linux-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic nvidia-glx-new nvidia-kernel-common
[08:02] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: those are all the files i reinstalled
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> bastid_raZor: wait.. apt-get nvidia-glx-new
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> as you said
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> can you pm them to me?
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> so i don't lose the list
[08:03] <dennisharrison> Stevethepirate, just do them all at one time ;p
[08:03] <lee__> eh I have an anti Card should I load my drivers from ati, which I seem to get flack when I do, or how or waht should I load?
[08:03] <lee__> ati x300
[08:03] <savvas> mzuverink: lsb_release -a
[08:03] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: apt-get aptitude both install the same.
[08:04] <Stevethepirate> yeah
[08:04] <Stevethepirate> i know
[08:04] <Konam> dennisharrison I will back one
[08:04] <Stevethepirate> 95% downloaded
[08:04] <dennisharrison> Konam, ok, let me know I will be idling.  I know I can help you fix it
[08:04] <Stevethepirate> gtf0 netsplit
[08:05] <Konam> dennisharrison ok, thanks. you experience something similar?
[08:05] <lee__> eh might i get an asnwer fer a sec lol
[08:05] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: restricted drivers nvidia should be in use after you finish the set up of nvidia drivers.
[08:05] <Stevethepirate> yeah...
[08:05] <dennisharrison> Konam, I used to do a bunch of plugin code for emerald
[08:05] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: after they install restart X and fingers crossed that should be it
[08:05] <dennisharrison> Konam, did you get my /msg ?
[08:05] <lee__> eh how do i set up the ati drivers? or should i go wiith the ones from ati?
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> bastid_raZor: reboot
[08:06] <Konam> dennisharrison one more thing, this is happening on a fresh installation so if it isn't adressed before the stable release some people might get it too
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:06] <dennisharrison> lee__, I don't have any ati stuff here, but as far as I can tell you should use the ati drivers
[08:06] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: restart of X should be fine.
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> nah
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> its not working
[08:06] <dennisharrison> Konam, exactly why we want to find the resolution :)  Then you can file a truly helpful bug report
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> let me restart
[08:06] <lee__> eh the ones from ati? or from here?
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> brb
[08:06] <benzon> how do i refresh locate database?
[08:07] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: you have to do the nvidia setup
[08:07] <Konam> dennisharrison ok, let me restart x
[08:07] <fangorious> benzon, sudo updatedb
[08:07] <dennisharrison> lee__, I don't know what ati packaged gutsy has, but I would google it first.  If you can't find a satisfactory answer then use the ones ati provides
[08:07] <lee__> eh isnt there a - after update?
[08:07] <lee__> ahh ok
[08:07] <benzon> codeset.m4 gettext.m4 glibc21.m4 iconv.m4 isc-posix.m4 lcmessage.m4
[08:07] <benzon>   progtest.m4 --trying to find thes files need them to configure compiz-fusion unsupported
[08:09] <Stevethepirate> bastid_raZor: naught.. doesn't work.
[08:10] <Stevethepirate> phailure
[08:10] <lee__> eh changing or to the drive brb
[08:10] <bastid_raZor>  :|
[08:10] <The_Viper> so.. about that rc :P
[08:10] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: were you using nvidia-glx-new before gutsy?
[08:10] <darkzero> I figure what wrong with my sound
[08:10] <darkzero> I just report a bug already
[08:10] <Stevethepirate> bastid_raZor: yeah.. think so.
[08:11] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: i'm at a loss.. that is how my issue was fixed
[08:11] <darkzero> Its the new rhythmbox music player that has a cracking bass in the background
[08:11] <Stevethepirate> bastid_raZor: if i wasn't using nvidia-glx-new before ?
[08:12] <Stevethepirate> let me dpkg
[08:12] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: then you should not went with nvidia-glx-new this time.. one of the other versions of the driver
[08:12] <Stevethepirate> whats the command..
[08:12] <Stevethepirate> xserver dpkg one.
[08:13] <Stevethepirate> ...?
[08:13] <Pici> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[08:13] <Stevethepirate> yeah
[08:13] <Stevethepirate> sweet
[08:14] <bastid_raZor> if i'm missing the icon on my toolbar for sound control.. i do i get that back? alsamixer works CLI so i do have sound functioning
[08:14] <bastid_raZor> wait wait.. i found it :)
[08:14] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: it works??
[08:15] <hit> anyone knows why playing flash in firefox produces this: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave?
[08:15] <dennisharrison> hit, try OSS?
[08:16] <hit> how should i change it?
[08:18] <hit> changed everything in gnome-sound-properties to OSS, but same error
[08:19] <lee__> ok i am back
[08:19] <lee__> this is so woerd
[08:19] <bastid_raZor> to chmod an entire directory 755 i would chmod -R 755 directory ?
[08:19] <lee__> wierd
[08:19] <cyclonut> bastid_raZor: yes
[08:19] <savvas> bastid_raZor: correct
[08:19] <Stevethepirate> bastid_raZor: okay, dpkg worked oaky
[08:19] <Stevethepirate> i've got x back now
[08:20] <Stevethepirate> but its screwed
[08:20] <lee__> same computer 2 separate hdd same disk, one Ide and the sata, sata has effects the Ide don't
[08:20] <bastid_raZor> nice, rhythmbox now tells me why it can not import and permissions is the reason :)
[08:20] <cyclonut> hooray for new version of intel vid driver
[08:20] <cyclonut> brb
[08:20] <lee__> lol
[08:21] <enyc> bastid_raZor: I think so
[08:21] <lee__> that did my graphics in on my ide
[08:21] <enyc> bastid_raZor: some things use -r some things use -R
[08:21] <enyc> bastid_raZor: which is confusing ;-)
[08:21] <bastid_raZor>  -R will chmod the directories below it as well?
[08:21] <lee__> this is so wierd
[08:21] <enyc> bastid_raZor: well any files/dirs underneath
[08:21] <enyc> bastid_raZor:
[08:21] <benzon> Need some helt now trying to configure unsupported packet but i get a stopper some where installed the build packet - checking for COMPIZ... configure: error: Package requirements (compiz) were not met:
[08:22] <lee__> hmm I didnt even get that on my ide drive
[08:22] <lee__> I just got...can't change
[08:22] <bastid_raZor> enyc: thanks
[08:23] <enyc> lee__: ive had some weird things with disk interfaces
[08:23] <enyc> lee__: had one that was fixed by bios upgrade.......
[08:23] <lee__> oh say how can I cahnge my setting to 85?
[08:23] <enyc> lee__: ??my setting??
[08:24] <lee__> eh no I need to dig deeper then my settings lol
[08:24] <enyc> lee__: dont understand
[08:24] <Stevethepirate> Sighs
[08:24] <lee__> really enyc..that is iwerd
[08:24] <filthpig> Hi, I'm having a slight problem with my wireless connection. I have a Linksys WUSB54GC device, which uses the rt73 chipset (and rt73usb driver). In Feisty it didn't work at all, but now in Gutsy it does :)  But there are a few bugs: When I turn on my computer I have to wait for a few minutes before the Network Manager asks for the wep key (It never remembers the wep-key). Sometimes the device just stops working. To get it to work I have to u
[08:24] <enyc> lee__: hrrm ... its definitely happened to me tho.. ;-)
[08:24] <lee__> I  need to go into  the prgram its self to change the setting to 85 mhz
[08:25] <benzon> Is there gonna be a reppo with Compiz-Fusion Packs avalible for Gutsy ?
[08:25] <lee__> I have an hour glass sahpe on the screen and I don't want to kill my one and only monitor lol
[08:25] <Pici> benzon: c-f is in gutsy by default.
[08:25] <lee__> enyc, Maybe that is waht happend to me lol
[08:25] <enyc> lee__: note that feisty/gutsy introduce more "libata" drivers that represent PATA (''ide'') drives as  /dev/sd? "scsi" devices  rather than /dev/hd? "wd1003/ide" type devices
[08:25] <filthpig> Can anyone help me out? dmesg also gives an error frequently: [ 9450.707111]  phy3 -> rt2x00usb_vendor_request: Error - Vendor Request 0x07 failed for offset 0x308c with error -110.
[08:25] <benzon> Pici, i know but not the unsupported plugins
[08:26] <enyc> lee__: i.e. have 'new drivers' for some PATA(''ide'') controllers, so may change things from edgy/before...
[08:26] <lee__> ahh, ok well its calling my sata a scsi
[08:26] <enyc> lee__: always does
[08:26] <lee__> lol
[08:26] <enyc> lee__: but Pata('ide') may be "hd?" or "sd?"
[08:26] <enyc> lee__: ieee1934/usb are "sd?" as well...
[08:27] <lee__> ahhh, I realsied that when I found out taht I was loading to my Sd card
[08:27] <lee__> ohh
[08:27] <bastid_raZor> yuk, low power surges..
[08:27] <lee__> OOOHH serial devices not...eh ok I understnad
[08:27] <lee__> eh
[08:27] <lee__> I am using a 12volt inverter taht steps it up to 120
[08:28] <lee__> uses less juice, cheapr elctric bill lol
[08:28] <databuddy> do i really need trackerd?
[08:28] <databuddy> the thing just gobbles up ram...
[08:29] <lee__> ok my other question then is how do I go into the program its self to set my refresh rate manualy?
[08:29] <lee__> evanlec you sure do get around lol
[08:29] <databuddy> in compiz?
[08:30] <databuddy> ccsm > general settings
[08:30] <databuddy> look for vert refresh
[08:30] <Evanlec> lee__, im not sure how to take that ;p
[08:30] <John64> does anyone know when RC is going on the mirrors
[08:30] <lee__> I under stand frequnceis
[08:30] <databuddy> ..........
[08:31] <lee__> eh waht about terminal?
[08:31] <Pici> databuddy: ?
[08:31] <lee__> Iam talking about getting to the "Heart" of the issue
[08:31] <databuddy> Pici ?
[08:31] <Pici> databuddy: What was the ........ for?
[08:31] <databuddy> forget it....
[08:31] <lee__> going in the e.org file
[08:32] <lee__> eh x.org
[08:32] <Evanlec> is there a way to have vim work in sort of "real-time" mode, i want it to write the file out basically everytime i make a change (doing css and saving it a thousand times to test things is annoying)
[08:32] <lee__> I did once but ost my notes
[08:32] <Col-Panic> !rc | John64
[08:32] <ubotu> John64: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[08:32] <databuddy> lol
[08:33] <lee__> lol
[08:33] <databuddy> we're scr3wed then D:
[08:33] <addos> when is the rc going to get released?
[08:33] <databuddy> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[08:33] <Pici> Evanlec: Have you asked in #vim or #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[08:33] <xMoth> looooooool
[08:33] <databuddy> we had like 45 sec to go that time too....
[08:33] <Evanlec> Pici, no i spose i will do that
[08:33] <lee__> ok heres a better explanation, How to I edit the guts of x.org file folder that contians the video driovers
[08:34] <addos> is it now? How about now? Now?!?! Maybe? Sorta kinda? How about now?
[08:34] <databuddy> sudo dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:34] <databuddy> !xorg
[08:34] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:34] <Col-Panic> Somebody should create a dummy project called "rc" and release it
[08:34] <addos> ha
[08:34] <enyc> Hrrrm.... what are the "base" packages that gutsy x86 normally installs?
[08:34] <Col-Panic> This way we can claim everybody's asking for that project
[08:34] <lee__> eh
[08:34] <enyc> I do not have linux 2.6.22 at the moment... I want to know what 'base' packages the gutsy installer normally puts on
[08:35] <lee__> Ijust want to edit the drivers not the entire thing lol
[08:35] <Pici> lee__: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:35] <xMoth> where will the rc be released?
[08:35] <Pici> ..
[08:35] <Pici> oh
[08:35] <Pici> where
[08:35] <lee__> ahhhhhhh 8 shouts THATS ZIT LOL
[08:36] <xMoth> at http://releases.ubuntu.com or at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/
[08:36] <Col-Panic> Why will the RC be released?
[08:36] <Stevethepirate> Sighs
[08:36] <xMoth> LoLmaybe ther is no RC
[08:37] <Stevethepirate> Why does my mp3 support for amarok fail when on gutsy?
[08:37] <xMoth> *there
[08:37] <Pici> Stevethepirate: fail? I havent had any issues with it
[08:37] <addos> we need mark shuttleworth to come in here and set the record straight
[08:37] <Stevethepirate> Pici: well.
[08:38] <Stevethepirate> Mp3's were working for me on feisty
[08:38] <Stevethepirate> but now don't work
[08:38] <Stevethepirate> on gutsy
[08:38] <addos> I've had the codec installer crash for me
[08:38] <addos> on beta 1
[08:38] <addos> hopefully RC/Final will be more stable
[08:39] <xMoth> my mp3's work on gutsy
[08:39] <dennisharrison> addos, yeah, beta and rc are going to have a world of difference between them in stability ;p
[08:39] <addos> sweet
[08:39] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: you may need to reinstall codecs
[08:39] <Stevethepirate> dennisharrison: hope so.
[08:39] <bastid_raZor> i'm having the same issues with rhythmbox
[08:39] <dennisharrison> Stevethepirate, just reinstall all the codecs
[08:39] <Pici> Stevethepirate: Is this an upgrade or a fresh install?
[08:39] <Stevethepirate> upgrade
[08:39] <John64> rc is up!!!
[08:40] <John64> ish
[08:40] <Col-Panic> ;)
[08:40] <bastid_raZor> what does tracker do? besides take large chunks of my RAM?
[08:40] <xMoth> YEAH rc is UP
[08:40] <skinnypuppy34> I'd like to know the same
[08:40] <`Matir> where is rc?
[08:41] <xMoth> @ http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[08:41] <avatar_> hmm, nl.releases is not in sync yet
[08:42] <Col-Panic> de is
[08:42] <xMoth> im loading it from http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy. It's very fast. 1600KB/s
[08:42] <John64> is there going to be much difference between RC and Final?
[08:42] <`Matir> John64, not unless things are broken.
[08:42] <xMoth> John64: Hopefully not
[08:42] <OldPin1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=573360
[08:42] <OldPin1> any ideas at all?
[08:43] <chrisn_> Not sure if anyone is interested but I managed to fix the compiz problem I was having.  Needed to remove xserver-xgl.
[08:43] <Ximal> hey guys.. i just let my screensaver startup and it killed an app..
[08:43] <Ximal> i was using k9 copy
[08:43] <chrisn_> Runs like a dream again
[08:43] <John64> so it is safe to install RC and just aptitude upgrade later
[08:43] <Pici> It should be
[08:43] <Ximal> does that mean it's stillrunning ?  i don't see it in system monitor though
[08:43] <darkzero> gutsy missing libxine-extracodecs
[08:43] <kingrayray> Does anybody use MPD?
[08:44] <xMoth> yeah i'll have the RCin 5 mins
[08:44] <chrisn_> On a related note does anyone know why emerald doesn't have any themes anymore?
[08:45] <John64> xMoth: which mirror
[08:45] <xMoth> http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[08:45] <darkzero> chrism, install emerald-themes
[08:46] <John64> thanks, iwas looking at cdimage
[08:46] <OldPink> When I use  2.6.22-14-generic, there's no battery information, the battery isn't recognized, it's always "on AC power" It's fine in 2.6.20-16-generic. Help?
[08:46] <chrisn_> <-Working slow today Darkzero, thanks
[08:46] <Ximal> anyone ?
np
[08:48] <xMoth> still 1.5misleft
[08:48] <John64> !rc
[08:48] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[08:48] <xMoth> lol ubotu is wrong
[08:48] <chrisn_> darkzero hmmm that must not be in the default repository.  I am not seeing it
[08:48] <PriceChild> xMoth, ubotu is never wrong
[08:48] <Col-Panic> Ximal: Was the app attacking the screen?
[08:48] <kingrayray> chrisn_: you could always get themes manually from gnome-look.org :-)
[08:49] <chrisn_> That's what I was gonna do
[08:49] <xMoth> ^^
make sure you repository unverse is check
[08:50] <letalis> anyone have a release date for gutsy officially?
universe is check I meant
[08:50] <xMoth> !wiki GUtsy Gibbon
[08:51] <Col-Panic> latalis: Should be next week
[08:51] <xMoth> !wiki GutsyGibbon
[08:51] <letalis> !wiki gutsy gibbon
[08:51] <Pici> there is no !wiki
[08:51] <Pici> letalis: 18th
[08:51] <letalis> lol
[08:51] <darkzero> RC will release soon
[08:51] <Pici> darkzero: its out
[08:51] <letalis> yeah obotu told me he isnt that intelligent.
[08:51] <letalis> :)
[08:51] <Pici> !rc
[08:51] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *RC* information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - This is development software and as such unstable, support *ONLY* in #ubuntu+1
[08:51] <xMoth> RC is out NOW
it not in the cdimage.ubuntu.com yet
[08:52] <Pici> darkzero: http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/
[08:53] <TheInfinity> hmm
[08:53] <TheInfinity> next try booting ubuntu instead of mac osx for testing? :)
oh ok
thanks
[08:56] <letalis> so far im liking gutsy, other than the minor inconvienence of no framebuffer support that works in the console and compiz dying on occasion
[08:56] <darkzero> dvd version of rc isn't out yet
[08:56] <darkzero> maybe later on
[08:58] <doug1> is anyone else having problems with hamachi on gusty?
[08:58] <letalis> all i know is back in 1999 when i first started messing with linux i never imagined that there would ever be a distro that was so easy to get setup and yet not sacrifice anything in the way of advanced stuff
[09:02] <Konam> dennisharrison did you get my msg?
[09:03] <darkzero> haha, I just resolve the libxine-extracodecs problem
[09:04] <kingrayray> letalis: hehe i started with Gentoo, thinking it would fit my power-user needs best, but now ubuntu is where it's at :)!
[09:04] <Skelet0n> my wireless in gusty will not work
[09:04] <Skelet0n> i need help!
[09:05] <letalis> gentoo has a neat perspective on the linux distro, build it from scratch on your own box so everything is custom tailored to your setup
[09:05] <Skelet0n> anybody?
[09:06] <Skelet0n> !network
[09:06] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:06] <kingrayray> letalis: yeah, but it really isn't necessary, the benefits were barely noticable for me
[09:06] <kingrayray> not to mention updating was an overnight process, opposed to 10 mins here
[09:07] <kingrayray> and whenever there was a new glibc, you had to rebuild everything
[09:07] <kingrayray> compiling KDE takes like two days on my box. no fun
[09:10] <lee__> ell
[09:10] <lee__> hello
[09:10] <lee__> how do i edit the second hdd that has the same program in it?
[09:11] <lee__> hi icarus
[09:11] <icarus901> helo
[09:12] <lee__> whats the  comad for editing the heart of a config..is emac?
[09:12] <lee__> or waht?
[09:12] <lee__> or can you edit such a thing?
[09:12] <lee__> on a secondary hdd?
[09:12] <Col-Panic> letalis: Maybe when I have my QuadCore...
[09:12] <kingrayray> lee__: what do you mean by "heart of a config" ?
[09:13] <lee__> I backed up some the x11.org file and I need now to replace taht file on my other hdd..ehh all I get is a black screen
[09:13] <enyc> hrrm there is a problem in gutsy for me... can no longer use "ogg123" from vorbis-tools!
[09:13] <Skelet0n> my wireless in gusty will not work
[09:13] <Skelet0n> ???
[09:13] <Skelet0n> !gusty
[09:13] <ubotu> It is spelt !guTSy :)
[09:14] <Skelet0n> !guTsy
[09:14] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[09:14] <lee__> well i have gutsy that gave me plain screen lol on an ide hdd and all the goodies on my sata
[09:14] <kingrayray> you can copy the goodies back if you want
[09:15] <lee__> thatys waht i am trying to do lol..but firt i need it to at least boot lol
[09:15] <enyc> right... in gutsy I can use neither mpg321 or ogg123 (which use libao)... but I can use  Mikmod and Playmidi  okay... and the ubuntu login sounds are okay!
[09:15] <lee__> i need to edit the xorg conf
[09:16] <kingrayray> lee__: try to use nano from a terminal
[09:16] <enyc> I have snd_ (also) drivers loaded okay no problem.. but something about gutsy is creating errors when using libao programs!!!! help ;-)
[09:16] <kingrayray> like, nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:16] <lee__> bur it saying permision denied when i use the terminal..so am wondering.. is it an e-mc preference?
[09:16] <boris__> what does "nano" command mean ?
[09:16] <kingrayray> lee__: no
[09:16] <kingrayray> boris__: nano is a command line text editor.
[09:16] <enyc> boris__:  a text editor
[09:16] <lee__> ok
[09:17] <kingrayray> lee__: try with sudo
[09:17] <kingrayray> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:17] <lee__> eh ok... whats the file extensions?
[09:17] <lee__> oh ty...
[09:17] <boris__> ok
[09:17] <kingrayray> and if you didnt know, the ^ symbol before all the commands at the bottom means the ctrl key
[09:17] <lee__> eh in this case its on a second hdd
[09:18] <boris__> kingray : same as gedit just it is command line ?
[09:18] <kingrayray> boris__: basically
[09:18] <boris__> ok ty
[09:18] <boris__> i prefer gedit vastly
[09:18] <mc44> lee__: what are you trying to do? copy a config file from another hard disk to your current install?
[09:19] <kingrayray> boris__: when you don't have X running you can't use gedit :)
[09:19] <boris__> dam
[09:19] <lee__> no visa versa....well trying to coppy the back up i made befor i chasnged everyhting lol
[09:19] <lee__> i have it stored on a card
[09:19] <enyc> *** I would appreciate if somebody with gutsy and working sound *test* using ogg123 or mpg321 on a .ogg/.mp3 file for me -- I need to know if this is a generic gutsy problem or more-specific-to-me ...
[09:19] <mc44> lee__: a card?
[09:19] <lee__> eh i am using my back up
[09:20] <kingrayray> enyc: one moment i will test mine
[09:20] <lee__> I took the the x.org and alias files and saved them
[09:20] <enyc> kingrayray: thankyou... you may need to install "vorbis-tools" and "mpg321" packages
[09:20] <kingrayray> enyc: i am :P
[09:21] <lee__> incase of oopses like this, but now I need a refresher on how to get into the the files to edit them..if you can edit them on a hdd that is, I mounted the second hd
[09:21] <boris__> gutsy is scheduled to be released on 18th october right ?
[09:21] <lee__> yeah
[09:21] <enyc> boris__: yes 2007/10/18 is plan
[09:21] <kingrayray> i'm using a SBLive! 5.1
[09:21] <enyc> err in ALSA
[09:22] <kingrayray> enyc: i get an error from mpg3221
[09:22] <enyc> kingrayray: im not sure this is the problem tho.. im getting error about mcop dir... same problem with ogg123 and mpg321
[09:22] <mc44> lee__: so which file do you want to edit? your current xorg conf? or a backup?
[09:22] <lee__> the current
[09:22] <mrtimdog> Hi, anyone know of a gnome applet that'll control pulseaudios' volume?
[09:22] <riotkittie> it works for me. mpg321
[09:22] <Col-Panic> Just out of curiosity... what does the installer run cups for?
[09:22] <mc44> lee__: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:22] <lee__> on the second hdd
[09:22] <kingrayray> can't create mcop directory
[09:22] <kingrayray> weird
[09:22] <lee__> ok
[09:22] <mc44> lee__: well thats not your current one then :)
[09:22] <enyc> kingrayray: same error dere
[09:22] <kingrayray> also weird because its trying to make a link in ~/.kde
[09:23] <kingrayray> i didnt know mpg321 had anything to do with kde
[09:23] <enyc> kingrayray: i havent yet found the bugzilla report... but I want to get it sorted for gutsy!!!!!!!!!
[09:23] <lee__> well here it goes lol
[09:23] <enyc> kingrayray: it doesnt look good
[09:23] <riotkittie> are using kde too, enyc?
[09:23] <riotkittie> you
[09:23] <enyc> riotkittie: no, no kde
[09:23] <mc44> lee__: no that will edit the xorg on your *current* partition
[09:24] <lee__> eh thats not waht i want lol...
[09:24] <enyc> also.. ogg123 and mpg321 do not appear to be linked to any kde libs
[09:24] <lee__> i ws about to get the file string befor doing nano
[09:24] <enyc> however... MAYBE libao is trying to use the ARTSD sound which is a kde thing
[09:24] <mc44> lee__: do you know what your second hd is mounted as? sda2 for example
[09:24] <kingrayray> enyc: that might make sense
[09:25] <enyc> mpg321 and ogg123 use libao for audio
[09:25] <kingrayray> in /etc/libao.conf mine just says alsa09
[09:25] <lee__> its mounted as a disk drive just a sec
[09:25] <enyc> kingrayray: I would like to get this sorted for gutsy.. hrrm
[09:25] <enyc> kingrayray: hrrm same here... actually I purged libao and reinstalled with ubuntu-desktop etc... that is the 'normal' setting
[09:25] <lee__> eh just a reg disk
[09:25] <lee__> its a sata
[09:26] <mc44> lee__: ok, run "df"
[09:26] <mc44> lee__: it should appear as /dev/sda?
[09:26] <lee__> ah ok in the run files or in sudo?
[09:26] <mc44> lee__: what?
[09:27] <enyc> kingrayray: lixao.so.2 is being linked to that in the libao driver
[09:27] <enyc> kingrayray: look in /usr/lib/ao/plugins-2/
[09:27] <lee__> wre do i give cmmand to run df?
[09:27] <mc44> lee__: you're at a command line prompt right now, right?
[09:27] <lee__> yeah
[09:27] <kingrayray> enyc: but its using libalsa09
[09:27] <mc44> lee__: then just do df then enter
[09:27] <kingrayray> so it should be fine
[09:27] <lee__> ok
[09:28] <enyc> kingrayray: yes... and changing   /etc/libao.conf to "pulse" FIXES the problem for me
[09:28] <kingrayray> what the hell is pulse
[09:28] <kingrayray> lol
[09:28] <lee__> yeah its listed as an sda lol
[09:28] <enyc> kingrayray: newer audio driver and multiplexer
[09:28] <kingrayray> oh
[09:28] <kingrayray> well pow we fixed it
[09:28] <enyc> kingrayray: supports ESD compatibiliity
[09:28] <lee__> oh wait
[09:28] <lee__> its listed as /dev/sdb1
[09:28] <mc44> lee__: ok that makes sense :)
[09:29] <mc44> lee__: where did you back up the file?
[09:30] <lee__> and then there are he following /dev/sdf1 and /dev/sde1
[09:30] <mc44> lee__: how many HDs do you have? :)
[09:30] <lee__> some reason it has multi partions lol
[09:30] <mc44> multi partitions should be sdb2 sdb3 etc
[09:30] <lee__> the sata wound up getting th oem lol i hit the button
[09:31] <mc44> ...?
[09:31] <lee__> but the drivers effected the main system
[09:31] <lee__> ok that file i backed up is on my memory stick
[09:32] <lee__> oh ok those 2 that i gave you are my media stics lol
[09:32] <lee__> crosses his eyes
[09:32] <mc44> so it's on one of those?
[09:33] <lee__> at any rate lol
[09:33] <enyc> kingrayray: "alsa" works too
[09:33] <lee__> i found the drive
[09:34] <gesker> savvas: I'm still stuck on my sound issue -- could you offer any more advice
[09:34] <kingrayray> enyc: should probably file a bug
[09:35] <enyc> kingrayray: I think I shall install 1 more gutsy and reproduce the problem
[09:35] <enyc> kingrayray: I going out bouncing nome (trampoline!)
[09:36] <savvas> gesker: er.. sound testing didn't work?
[09:36] <new2ub> I need a list of supported printers and I know there was a website with it...just can't find it again lol anyone know where that is?
[09:36] <lee__> yeah
[09:36] <enyc> kingrayray: \o/ -R- /O\   \o/ -R- /O\
[09:36] <enyc> kingrayray: boing boing boing ... talk later ;-)
[09:36] <lee__> ok i got nothing but a big fat whit screen lol
[09:36] <kingrayray> lol, bye enyc
[09:36] <riotkittie> new2ub: linuxprinting.org ?
[09:37] <new2ub> riotkittie, thanks :)
[09:37] <riotkittie> yw  :)
[09:37] <gesker> Anyone have any luck getting sound on Gutsy with an Audigy LS
[09:37] <lee__> and it says new buffer
[09:37] <lee__> mc44 all igots is awhite screen lol
[09:38] <mc44> lee__: er... where?
[09:38] <lee__> in the terminal
[09:38] <mc44> lee__: what command did you use>?
[09:38] <savvas> gesker: i'm not sure, but try this: sudo apt-get install ld10k1 liblo10k1-0
[09:39] <lee__>  [ "/dev/sda1" is a device file ] 
[09:39] <lee__> the nano
[09:39] <mc44> lee__: yes nano is an editor...
[09:39] <savvas> gesker: then do: asoundconf list
[09:39] <mc44> lee__: press ctrl x
[09:39] <lee__> its saying stuff like next page ect
[09:39] <lee__> ok
[09:40] <mc44> lee__: what are you trying to do
[09:40] <lee__> ahhh bnetter lol
[09:40] <gesker> savvas: doing it now
[09:41] <gesker> apt-getSavvass: asoundconf list returns CA0106
[09:41] <savvas> gesker: um.. do you have a tv tuner card?
[09:41] <kingrayray> http://kingrayray.wallooza.org/Screenshot.png I <3 Ubuntu :D
[09:41] <gesker> savvas: an audigy ls card
[09:41] <lee__> ok in the right file give me a few minutes
[09:41] <savvas> gesker: so no tv tuner cards?
[09:42] <gesker> savvas: no sir
[09:42] <savvas> gesker: try this: cat /proc/asound/cards
[09:42] <new2ub> riotkittie, looks like I might need to go spend some money on a better printer here lol.....mine's not supported :(
[09:43] <savvas> new2ub: you should make that nick new2u, it rhymes ;)
[09:43] <gesker> savvas:  0 [CA0106         ] : CA0106 - CA0106
[09:43] <gesker>                       X-Fi Extreme Audio [SB0790]  at 0x6000 irq 19
[09:43] <new2ub> probably but I thought it fit since I"m brand new to the linux world
[09:44] <lee__> ok how do i select all?
[09:44] <mc44> lee__: select all what?
[09:46] <gesker> savvas: I'm running the 64bit version of ubuntu
[09:46] <savvas> gesker: try this: cat /etc/modules | grep -i "snd"
[09:47] <lee__> oh nevr mind.. i found it "clear all
[09:47] <gesker> savvas: nothing gets returned
[09:47] <savvas> gesker: gksu gedit /etc/modules
[09:47] <lee__> man this is like the c64 language
[09:47] <savvas> gesker: add a line with this: snd-ca0106
[09:47] <lee__> ok
[09:47] <savvas> gesker: then press enter for an empty line, save and exit gedit
[09:48] <savvas> gesker: reboot your machine
[09:48] <savvas> let's hope that fixes it
[09:48] <lee__> well Lets see if it worked lol
[09:48] <Stevethepirate> Hi.. getting this error.. http://rafb.net/p/XcOfG651.html when trying to mplayer a movie..
[09:48] <Stevethepirate> video comes out, no audio..
[09:48] <gesker> savvas: rebooting now, back in a second
[09:48] <Stevethepirate> no audio in amarok as well.
[09:49] <lee__> ok well the worse that can happen is it wont boot..or...Ill  have smoke coming from the machine lol
[09:49] <lee__> be back in a few either on the the main drive or ym back up drive lol
[09:50] <mc44> :(
[09:51] <emet> how do you make compiz fusion use a cube
[09:51] <emet> ?
[09:51] <emet> I have a plane
[09:51] <emet> 2 sided
[09:51] <Stevethepirate> wtf
[09:51] <emet> besides that compiz fusion pwns
[09:51] <emet> expo pwns
[09:51] <mc44> emet: install compizconfig-settings-manager
[09:52] <emet> I have it I don't see any option for it
[09:52] <nosrednaekim> emet: its in general
[09:52] <nosrednaekim> "horizontal desktop size"
[09:52] <emet> is there any way to make package name completion work in aliases
[09:52] <emet> nosrednaekim, ok
[09:53] <mc44> emet: and turn the Desktop Cube plugin on if it isn
[09:53] <mc44> *t
[09:53] <nosrednaekim> emet: ailiases?
[09:54] <emet> yeah I use aliases for package management
[09:54] <emet> alias ins="sudo apt-get install"
[09:54] <emet> so like I wanna type ins abi<TAB> to install abiword
[09:55] <savvas> gesker: sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base
[09:55] <gesker> savvas: At first there was no sound then I unchecked iec958 and boom , music!
[09:56] <savvas> unchecked iec958? :P
[09:56] <gesker> Yes, and now I have sound. Was unchecking iec958 bad?
[09:58] <lee__> eh well its confirmed it was way sicker then I thaught
[09:58] <emet> works like a charm thank you nosrednaekim and mc44
[09:58] <lee__> it needs a reformat
[09:58] <nosrednaekim> NP
[09:58] <lee__> it did more then break lol
[09:58] <lee__> it died
[09:59] <emet> god expo is hot
[09:59] <lee__> ok question how doe we reformat a HDd? lol
[09:59] <lee__> with out having to use the disk?
[09:59] <kingrayray> lee__: that's probably not a great idea if it is the system you are currently working in
[10:00] <lee__> oh
[10:00] <lee__> well I dcd the hdd
[10:00] <lee__> OOH wait that waht cause my issue
[10:00] <lee__> I removed the ata, hdd and my computer locked up
[10:01] <kingrayray> you unplugged a drive when the power was on?
[10:01] <lee__> after reinserting it..did I trigger a prtoection of some kind?
[10:02] <lee__> Does linuxe have an anti tampering code in it so you can't take the hdd out of one machine and place it in the ext?
[10:02] <kingrayray> lee__: no, lol
[10:02] <lee__> hmm
[10:02] <kingrayray> but your boot loader may very well get confused by doing that
[10:02] <savvas> gesker: what's iec958?
[10:02] <lee__> OH great... I hope I aint losing the drive
[10:02] <kingrayray> no it'll be fine
[10:02] <kingrayray> lol
[10:02] <savvas> gesker: I mean I don't know where you unchecked it or what that is :)
[10:02] <kingrayray> if you put it back teh way it was it should boot
[10:02] <lee__> its starting to feel like hard ware failure
[10:03] <lee__> hmm
[10:03] <lee__> I killed the power then then  unplugged and hit power to ground the system
[10:03] <lee__> I do that everything
[10:03] <kingrayray> yea
[10:03] <kingrayray> what happens when you try to boot
[10:03] <kingrayray> details are helpful
[10:04] <gesker> I double clicked on the mute icon in the uppper right hand corner. Volume control opened and there was a "Switches" tab and the check box for iec985
[10:05] <sbucatino_> -..- double monitor.... wtf doesnt work
[10:05] <lee__> erg the contacts are dirty taht is for sure
[10:05] <lee__> ill clean em up maybe that is the issue
[10:06] <lee__> then Ill reload
[10:07] <savvas> gesker: ah ok, we should note that :p
[10:08] <gesker> savvas: thanks for your help. it is very much appreciated. Now I'll start playing with my mic :)
[10:09] <MisterN> !rc
[10:09] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) Release Candidate information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - The RC is development software and as such unstable, support *ONLY* in #ubuntu+1
[10:09] <savvas> gesker: go, spread, tell your kids about freedom :p
[10:10] <gesker> savvas: This machine just happens to be my now office desktop. I've been (secretly sometimes) replacing one windows server at a time in my company
[10:11] <gesker> savvaas: no one complains about up time!
[10:16] <baastrup> hey, im missing the borders when i turn compiz on, my card is from nvidia
[10:17] <savvas> gesker: haha, let's hope no one does complain :P
[10:19] <TheInfinity> hello
[10:19] <b08y> hello
[10:20] <TheInfinity> why does the xorg packages have the version number 1:7.2-5ubuntu13 although it is xorg 7.3?
[10:21] <nosrednaekim> its not.
[10:21] <TheInfinity> somehow a mixture of xorg 7.2 and xorg 7.3?
[10:22] <TheInfinity> because nv drivers are from 7.3 ...
[10:22] <hit> should there be now some updates available since RC is out?
[10:22] <TheInfinity> try out? ;)
[10:23] <hit> didn't see any, but i'm having problems with my ubuntu right now tho
[10:24] <riotkittie> all i got was a kernel update. and modules.
[10:24] <jkimball4> Is there a place where I can find a changelog for updates?
[10:24] <IndyGunFreak> how can i make my menu come up when I right click my desktop?
[10:24] <IndyGunFreak> my applications menu, that is
[10:24] <hit> kernel update was in the morning i quess and that was about 12 hours ago
[10:25] <atiredmachine> AH! I'm running the 64-bit version of Gusty and today the system updates did something that make Firefox freeze every time a website has flash.  I'm suspecting the nspluginwrapper update.
[10:26] <atiredmachine> Is there anything I can do?
[10:27] <hit> just got an update for nonfree flash :P
[10:27] <gesker> savvas: Thanks you again for all your help; Ill mkae an effort pay it forward and try to help the next guy
[10:28] <hit> lets see if that gets my flash sound back
[10:29] <hit> but no
[10:42] <atiredmachine> nevermind, figured it out!
[10:42] <atiredmachine> ha
[10:46] <Alex_Gaynor> Anyone have any ideas why my samba share stopped working when I upgraded to gutsy gibbon, I can see the share, I just can't authenticate
[10:46] <Alex_Gaynor> I have run net use /d * in windows to clear the connections cache, to no avail
[10:48] <|neon|> having a problem using ff on ubuntu java is installed and about:plugins shows that is enable, when i try to access like yahoo games ff completely freezes when opening/joining a table to playq.xc
[10:48] <Alex_Gaynor> FYI it is ubuntu server
[10:50] <jussi01> Alex_Gaynor: sounds like a bug. Assuming its reproducable, I would say file one
[10:50] <jussi01> !bug | Alex_Gaynor
[10:50] <ubotu> Alex_Gaynor: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[10:51] <Alex_Gaynor> I would assume so, my smb.conf looks the same, it should just work out of the box right?
[10:51] <jussi01> |neon|: have you give it sometime??
[10:51] <jussi01> Alex_Gaynor: afaik, yes
[10:51] <Jordan_U_Gutsy> Is it a bug that firefox, after a first boot never using sudo or gksudo, was able to install flashplugin-nonfree without asking for a password?
[10:53] <vinboy> is the RC out yet?
[10:53] <surfer9> okay
[10:54] <stefg> !rc
[10:54] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) Release Candidate information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - The RC is development software and as such unstable, support *ONLY* in #ubuntu+1
[10:54] <IndyGunFreak> !awm
[10:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about awm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:54] <IndyGunFreak> !avant
[10:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avant - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:54] <Alex_Gaynor> jussi|no2: Is this likely to be the same error: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/147330
[10:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147330 in ubuntu "Samba stopped working when uppgrading to Gutsy" [Undecided,New] 
[10:55] <surfer9> hello everybody. i've got a big problem : i forced the 7.10 installation. now when the gdm is lauched, i should get the login menu but instead i get the mouse cursor showing a busy clock and it's flickering between 0'20 and 0'30 (i mean it's not going 'round like it should) and there's no login menu at all. i'm stuck
[10:55] <IndyGunFreak> anyone familiar with avant, or know where i can go to ask a questino?
[10:55] <gnomefreak> surfer9: you need to save your $home partition (backup) and reinstall 7.04
[10:55] <gnomefreak> it is the only SAFE way
[10:55] <surfer9> how should I do ?
[10:56] <Alex_Gaynor> ubotu: I'm looking at that, that seems to be a samba mount as oppose to a server, is that likely to be the same problem?
[10:57] <surfer9> when i installed it i did the default behavior. thus did it make a $home partition ?
[10:57] <surfer9> (installed the whole ubuntu OS)
[10:57] <gnomefreak> surfer9: if you have anything you want to save save it to cd dvd or usbstick and pop 7.04 cd in and install than move the files/folders back to $home or whereever they are from
[10:57] <gnomefreak> brb need to rethink this patch
[10:57] <IndyGunFreak> surfer9: i'd love tos ee an install w/o a home..lol
[10:58] <Alex_Gaynor> Oh frick ubotu is a bot, I thought it was a person for a second
[10:58] <andersin> ah, isn't ubotu a bot?
[10:58] <Alex_Gaynor> yeah
[10:58] <andersin> would be cool, if it could actually reply though =)
[10:59] <surfer9> only geeks laugh to people who say they don't have a home partition :) :) . i'm not saying i don't have a hompe directory. i'm saying i don't have a home *partition*. to be precise i'm saying i don't know wheter it's a partition or not.
[11:00] <riotkittie> i laugh at people who dont have a home partition. i dont have a home partition. i laugh at myself, as well
[11:01] <surfer9> i'm sorry to ask that like a nOOb but how to know if i do have a home partition or not ?
[11:01] <riotkittie> surfer9:  i doubt it, but open a term and type mount
[11:02] <bascule> surfer9: cat /etc/fstab and see if there is an entry for /home
[11:02] <riotkittie> i think the defualt install lobs it all on /
[11:02] <branstrom> I've been using deskbar-applet
[11:02] <branstrom> But would like to search only with tracker sometimes
[11:02] <branstrom> What's the best way to do that?
[11:03] <branstrom> I mean a dedicated search interface for tracker
[11:03] <branstrom> nm
[11:03] <surfer9> seems to have 3 things : one partition ext3, one swap, one "0" for the /dev/cdrom
[11:03] <surfer9> bad eh ?
[11:03] <branstrom> tracker-search-tool did the job
[11:04] <branstrom> (although the "Search:" label looks bad out on the left side, no margin
[11:04] <Alex_Gaynor>  Bug submitted: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/151694
[11:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151694 in samba "Samba share stops working after upgrade to gutsy" [Undecided,New] 
[11:04] <bascule> surfer9: looks like you have no /home partition then
[11:04] <riotkittie> not "omg end of the worrrrrld!@#$!" bad. but not "easy peasy" good.
[11:04] <branstrom> Alex_Gaynor: I got that too :/
[11:05] <surfer9> sh*t*
[11:05] <Alex_Gaynor> branstrom: Glad to hear I'm not alone
[11:05] <surfer9> okay tomorrow i'll take my USB harddrive
[11:05] <surfer9> how to mount it ?
[11:05] <branstrom> Had security = share before the upgrade
[11:05] <surfer9> (i mean by hand)
[11:05] <branstrom> So I could share with Windows boxes.
[11:05] <surfer9> (i mean via a shell)
[11:06] <riotkittie> sudo mount /path/to/the/usb/drive /path/to/mount/point
[11:07] <surfer9> thanks a lot, but how do i guess the /path/to/the/usb/drive ?
[11:08] <enyc> kingrayray: right... finished bouncing
[11:08] <surfer9> (this is my last question before going to bed 23:00 i'm knackered)
[11:08] <riotkittie> try sdb ... if not  sdb, hda
[11:08] <hetauma> !grub
[11:08] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:09] <riotkittie> most likely sdb.   /dev/sdb1
[11:09] <enyc> kingrayray:  bouncie bouncie!  front drop ,-o-,  seat drop R_   bouing  boingc...   are you there?
[11:09] <enyc> kingrayray: we were looking at libao gutsy
[11:09] <kingrayray> enyc: sup
[11:09] <surfer9> so : [sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /externalhd]  should work ?
[11:10] <surfer9> (kind of, i'll adapt)
[11:10] <riotkittie> yea.
[11:10] <enyc> kingrayray: sup1381 and sup2311 were the only sup-codes i ever had (diamond modems)
[11:10] <kingrayray> enyc: lol
[11:10] <riotkittie> you may need to specify a type. -t vfat or -t ntfs  if its a win FS
[11:11] <enyc> kingrayray: /me trying to record  gutsy daily cd alternate i386 image on old plexwriter drive.... looking for CD caddy....
[11:11] <stoffer_> anyone succeeded installing the nvidia drivers in gutsy ? Every time I enable the restricted nvidia driver and reboot, bulletProof X says screen r card not recognized
[11:12] <surfer9> tkx a lot everybody have a good night
[11:12] <andersin> stoffer_: works hereafter an upgrade from feisty
[11:14] <enyc> riotkittie: btw... that uses ntfs  not ntfs-3g ... is that what you intended?
[11:14] <stoffer_> andersin: well, I can't get it to work properly. Had it working once when only restarting gdm, but a complete reboot overwrites the xorg.conf
[11:15] <riotkittie> enyc: yes
[11:15] <andersin> stoffer_: well, I use the KDE flavor, have you tried to just start X?
[11:16] <riotkittie> enyc: at least i think. :o
[11:16] <stoffer_> andersin: actually no, think that would work ?
[11:16] <enyc> riotkittie: its just ... usinc ntfs driver is basically readonly
[11:16] <enyc> riotkittie: whereas ntfs-3g supports writing
[11:17] <andersin> stoffer_: not sure, but if you do a reboot without starting gdm and it works, it narrows down the problem
[11:17] <riotkittie> enyc: my fstab is loading /dev/whatever-i-have-xp-on  ntfs and i can write to it no prob
[11:17] <stoffer_> andersin: actually not sure how to do that
[11:17] <eduardo_silva> hi guys, there's a problem when ubuntu try to mount the storage device from my digital camera, I got a lot of I/O error in dmesg
[11:17] <enyc> riotkittie: hrrm maybe something has changed for feisty
[11:17] <enyc> riotkittie: hrrm maybe something has changed for gutsy even
[11:18] <andersin> stoffer_: so then you drop back to console?
[11:18] <eduardo_silva> eduardo_silva, I can mount the memory card with another special device without problems, is possible to mount it too in windows
[11:18] <riotkittie> enyc: i think ntfs r/w's enabled in the kernel. but i am clueless. so. <shuts up>
[11:19] <enyc> riotkittie: well... the thing is...  NTFS kernel driver supports only very limited writing funciotns (not resizing files) ...
[11:19] <enyc> riotkittie: old 2.4 kernel had an unsafe NTFS write i ithkn
[11:20] <stoffer_> andersin: yep, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, can't remember whether it was startx or gdm start that actually made it work, will just test
[11:22] <riotkittie> ah :|
[11:22] <enyc> riotkittie: its not important ;-)
[11:22] <andersin> stoffer_: use ALT+CTRL+F1 to get to a console, setup the xorg.conf, load the nvidia module and then run X
[11:22] <riotkittie> enyc: yeah, but now i'm curious :P
[11:23] <riotkittie> ntfs-3g is installed, so i suppose it is that, after all
[11:23] <andersin> stoffer_: just run /usr/bin/X
[11:23] <stoffer_> andersin: ok, how do I load the nvidia driver using console ?
[11:23] <andersin> modprobe nvidia
[11:24] <stoffer_> andersin: nice, thanks, I'll just try
[11:26] <USMarine> anyone having icons being displayed out of the tray in kde?
[11:26] <andersin> no, seems fine
[11:26] <ScottAS> Hello All.
[11:40] <Marfi> hey hey! after an update, network manager applet doesn't show up in the running tasks. how do i go about bringing it back?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> Marfi: you mean the icon near the clock on upper panel in gnome?
[11:44] <Marfi> gnomefreak, yup. =)
[11:44] <gnomefreak> Marfi: right click panel and add it back ;)
[11:44] <Marfi> gnomefreak, its not that one. it comes under the running tasks
[11:44] <gnomefreak> Marfi: notification area or whatever its called
[11:44] <gnomefreak> Marfi: oh
[11:45] <gnomefreak> Marfi: what updates?
[11:45] <gnomefreak> i only got X and flash update in last ~18 hours
[11:46] <Marfi> gnomefreak, this happened about a week ago, don't recall the update
[11:47] <gnomefreak> Marfi: than its very hard to track down why it isnt there so we can figure out how to add it back you didnt happen to file a bug like you should do when testing?
[11:48] <Marfi> gnomefreak, nope. =( you wouldn't happen to know the name of the applet, so i can try to start it manually?
[11:48] <Crozar> my laptop handles 60 hertz refresh rate but on screen resoloution its on 50 =/ :??
[11:48] <gnomefreak> Marfi: not exactly sure what one you are talking about.
[11:48] <gnomefreak> Crozar: file a bug report
[11:49] <Crozar> cmon its not a bug
[11:49] <Crozar> this is known issue
[11:49] <gnomefreak> Crozar: the X devels dont hang out in here
[11:49] <Crozar> but does this mean ubuntu is using 50 refresh rate?
[11:49] <gnomefreak> Crozar: not known to me
[11:49] <Crozar> L:(
[11:49] <gnomefreak> Crozar: its the way X detected your monitor specs
[11:49] <Crozar> i want to know whats my current refresh rate give me a terminal command for direct system proof
[11:49] <gnomefreak> Crozar: only way to fix is fix it in xorg.conf or wait for X devels to fix it
[11:50] <Crozar> ok
[11:50] <pookey> if you try to blink at 50hz, see if the screen looks black, that's the best way to test
[11:50] <Crozar> then il fix in xorg
[11:50] <stoffer_> hi all
[11:50] <Crozar> its black
[11:50] <Crozar> pookey: some opened files get black screen
[11:50] <Leonekl> any one have any idea on how to get concurrency=shell working in gutsy
[11:50] <Leonekl> ?
[11:51] <mase> can someone try to VNC to me?
[11:51] <mase> i need to know if im connectable
[11:52] <andersin> stoffer_: any luck?
[11:52] <stoffer_> I can start X with my nvidia driver installed but not gdm
[11:52] <mase> does anyone have a VNC viewer?
[11:52] <Leonekl> mase try and connect to urself
[11:53] <mase> Leonekl,  its a port problem
[11:53] <Leonekl> using ur own true IP address
[11:53] <stoffer_> andersin: I think at least, have not yet tried a reboot
[11:53] <Leonekl> aha
[11:53] <andersin> stoffer_: well unfortunately, I have no expertise in gdm
[11:53] <Leonekl> ive had issues myself with that thing
[11:53] <Leonekl> firewalls usually
[11:54] <Leonekl> yo mase
[11:54] <mase> yesss
[11:54] <Leonekl> pm me
[11:54] <mase> k
[11:54] <Leonekl> ill try and help ya
[11:54] <Crozar> ok please help m,e
[11:54] <stoffer_> andersin: np, thanks for your help
[11:55] <Crozar> gnomefreak: is ttheyr a way to set a refresh rate on a LOCK?
[11:55] <Crozar> through xorg
[11:55] <gnomefreak> !fixres | Crozar
[11:55] <ubotu> Crozar: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:57] <Leonekl> mase cant pm me/?
[11:57] <mase> Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[11:57] <mase> lol
[11:57] <Leonekl> haha
[11:57] <fhClient> Hi.  I have 2 identical HP computers, maybe 6 months old (Athlon 64 3400 I believe) and both have issues connecting to the Internet through a browser.  I can ping just fine, but there's an unpredictable delay of 2-10 seconds or longer before and while loading pages, where progress simply stops.  I had this problem on Fedora Core 6 but not Fedora 7, and now on Gutsy, both server and desktop, same exact problem.  Running a Br
[11:57] <fhClient> oadcom onboard NIC on both identical PCs.  Any ideas on how to troubleshoot and fix?
[11:57] <mase> well i figured it out works anyways
[11:57] <mase> thanks anyways
[11:57] <Leonekl> hehe
[11:58] <winge-d_angel> is it possible at all to track a floating ubuntu? much like you do when using gentoo?
[11:58] <mase> adios
[11:58] <Seeker`> fhClient: have you tried wget?
[11:58] <milestone777> I got a question maybe someone can help me out with. I'm running ubuntu through VMWare and when I try to go into volume preferences it says there is no gstreamer plugin, and when I checked out the devices it says unknown on everything to do with the pc speaker. Anyone got any ideas?
[11:58] <fhClient> Seeker: Trying now.
[12:00] <winge-d_angel> is it possible at all to track a floating ubuntu? much like you do when using gentoo? i.e. download new packages as they are released by the dev team (testing of course)
[12:01] <jmg> winge-d_angel: update-manager does that
[12:01] <fhClient> Seeker: I ran: `wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/3/3dchess/3dchess_0.8.1.orig.tar.gz` with no trouble.  ~2s to resolve ftp.de.debian.org, then instantaneous download of 46kb
[12:02] <Seeker`> fhClient: so it does'nt sound like a networking problem
[12:02] <winge-d_angel> jmg, not if you are running feisty fawn? unless i don't know something about update-manager...
[12:02] <TokenBad> I am trying to install drivers for the radeon 9250 and everytime I try to install the drivers...get this.  ./ati-installer.sh: 97: Syntax error: Bad substitution
[12:02] <TokenBad> anyone help?
[12:02] <fhClient> Seeker`: I tend to agree.  I don't know enough to troubleshoot what might be happening in the background to cause this.
[12:02] <savvas> winge-d_angel: what do you need? to be a beta tester?
[12:02] <jmg> winge-d_angel: update-manager -d
[12:03] <winge-d_angel> savvas, id like to be, yes
[12:03] <Seeker`> fhClient: any other browers you can check with?
[12:03] <savvas> winge-d_angel: what jmg said, if you want to try the gutsy release
[12:03] <winge-d_angel> savvas, id like to try and emulate what i did with gentoo, i.e. run a floating distro (not critical, so it can be unstable) where i dont ever do major upgrades but small increments
[12:04] <fhClient> Seeker`: Same problem with Epiphany as with Firefox.
[12:04] <savvas> winge-d_angel: then you'd like to try debian unstable/testing :P
[12:04] <jmg> winge-d_angel: you'll find that between now and final, it will move really fast. and final is only 7 days away
[12:04] <Seeker`> fhClient: :S no idea then
[12:04] <winge-d_angel> jmg, so can i always just call update-manager -d and that'l get 'testing' packages?
[12:04] <fhClient> Seeker`: nor do I :-/.  But what would you say if it were specific to Firefox?
[12:04] <winge-d_angel> savvas, hmm, i should look into that
[12:05] <Seeker`> fhClient: i still probably wouldn't  have any idea, but at least you would know what the problem was
[12:05] <winge-d_angel> savvas, any idea how unstable debian testing is?
[12:06] <savvas> does anyone else have this file: /etc/debian_version ?
[12:06] <jmg> winge-d_angel: -d enables the button to upgrade to the development version
[12:06] <cliffstah> hey guys :-)
[12:06] <kRush> savvas, yes
[12:06] <fhClient> Seeker`: yeah.  Would you by any chance be able to point me to a channel where I might get more help?
[12:06] <cliffstah> is it safe to update compiz* yet or are people still having problems with it?
[12:06] <savvas> kRush: does it say lenny/sid ?
[12:06] <winge-d_angel> jmg, and from then onwards ill stay on the development version, moving with the devs? (thats what i wanted)
[12:06] <kRush> os[simon@knatterkiste, Linux 2.6.22-14-generic i686] 
[12:06] <kRush> ups
[12:07] <kRush> savvas, yes, it does
[12:07] <savvas> kRush: ok thanks
[12:07] <savvas> that file shouldn't exist :\
[12:08] <Seeker`> fhClient: sorry, agian, no idea - ask here, see if anyone else will respond?
[12:08] <cliffstah> im scared of updating in case I lose my desktop xD
[12:08] <fhClient> Seeker`: All right, thanks.  :)
[12:08] <savvas> winge-d_angel: -d won't give you the beta packages, only if there is a new release, you might want to read here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing
[12:08] <filthpig> hi, how is the support for prism chipset in gutsy?
[12:08] <spasticteapot> Anyone know how to enable USB autosuspend?
[12:09] <savvas> cliffstah: then don't
[12:09] <cliffstah> savvas: my question wasn't whether I should update or not
[12:09] <cliffstah> it was whether people are still having problems with the latest compiz update :-)
[12:09] <savvas> cliffstah: mine wasn't an answer, you're afraid to upgrade, then don't :)
[12:10] <savvas> what kind of problems?
[12:10] <cliffstah> Im only afraid if people are still having problems with it :P
[12:10] <cliffstah> crashing, losing window decorations etc.
[12:10] <savvas> the top/bottom panel disappearing bug?
[12:10] <savvas> oh
[12:10] <savvas> oh... :s
[12:10] <cliffstah> I stll have *1004, latest is *1006
[12:10] <savvas> well mine works
[12:10] <fhClient> I'm having an issue with delays during page loads in multiple browsers on two systems with identical hardware, one running 7.10 server and one running 7.10 desktop.  wget and ping don't exhibit this behavior, however.  Might anyone here be able to suggest further troubleshooting steps?
[12:10] <cliffstah> and you have 1006?
[12:10] <winge-d_angel> savvas, basically I want to be able to run a bleeding edge system, but since i love apt so much and hate gentoo too much id like it to be debian/ubuntu based...
[12:11] <savvas> compiz: Installed: 1:0.6.0+git20071008-0ubuntu1
[12:11] <cliffstah> 1008.. xD
[12:11] <cliffstah> methinks my update manager doth lie
[12:11] <savvas> cliffstah: apt-cache policy compiz
[12:11] <savvas> !paste | cliffstah
[12:11] <ubotu> cliffstah: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:11] <cliffstah> I know what pastebin is :-)
[12:12] <cliffstah> not a total numpty :P
[12:12] <savvas> winge-d_angel: the herds/test phases before a stable release is what ubuntu has, I don't know if there's anything else
[12:12] <kRush> fhClient, define delays
[12:12] <cliffstah> ok there we go
[12:12] <macogw> cliffstah: not crashing anymore, occasionally (once every couple days) losing window decorations
[12:12] <cliffstah> I told the update manager to reload
[12:12] <cliffstah> it got it this time
[12:12] <cliffstah> macogw: hey :-) and ah.. cool, that I can deal with :-)
[12:12] <winge-d_angel> savvas, thanks, ill look into those and debian testing for now
[12:13] <savvas> cliffstah: ok update, upgrade and alt-f2 and type this: compiz --replace &
[12:13] <macogw> cliffstah: if you install the fusion-icon (git or my ppa) you can have the thing like in beryl where you click "reload window manager"
[12:13] <cliffstah> I'll just login/logout, there are more updates than just compiz
[12:13] <cliffstah> I have fusion-icon too :-)
[12:13] <cliffstah> can't live without that at the moment
[12:13] <savvas> aw
[12:13] <cliffstah> I switch to metacity to play games
[12:14] <savvas> then give it a hard reboot :P
[12:14] <fhClient> kRush: When I try to load a page, a delay of 2-10 seconds or more occurs where there is no network activity.  Eventually the page may load, or it may not.  Sometimes the page also stops loading for a while.
[12:14] <savvas> cliffstah: I play games perfectly with compiz on
[12:14] <alex_mayorga> hi, can someone help me get out of 800*600
[12:14] <cliffstah> I get lag every 5-10 seconds with compiz running
[12:14] <cliffstah> without, its perfect
[12:14] <savvas> weird
[12:14] <kRush> fhClient, connection type? what dns servers do you use?
[12:14] <macogw> alex_mayorga: system > admin > screens & graphics
[12:15] <alex_mayorga> I have a nvidia geforce4 go 440 on my laptop and it went south on the last updates
[12:15] <cliffstah> lol compiz is so stupidly cool
[12:15] <alex_mayorga> macogw, I've tried both nv and nvidia driver and none would work :(
[12:15] <cliffstah> I have random window transitions, it makes chuckle every time one of them folds up into a paper plane and flies away
[12:16] <macogw> alex_mayorga: did you enable the restricted drivers?
[12:16] <fhClient> kRush: 300KB/sec DSL through SBC/AT&T.  DNS: How do I check?
[12:16] <macogw> cliffstah: yeah i have popups set to fly away as an airplane and normal ones burn
[12:16] <macogw> its fun
[12:16] <cliffstah> lol nice
[12:16] <cliffstah> yeah
[12:16] <marcelo> hello, this is the chanel of gusty gibon?
[12:17] <cliffstah> if im bored I'll actually sit and open/close a few terminals, easily pleased me
[12:17] <alex_mayorga> macogw, yes, they're supposedly "in use" right now, but the laptop is using the vesa driver in reality
[12:17] <fhClient> kRush: dnsdomainname returns hsd1.ca.comcast.net
[12:17] <macogw> alex_mayorga: perhaps the screens & graphics has options depending on *which* nvidia driver you need?
[12:17] <macogw> marcelo: yes
[12:17] <marcelo> ok
[12:17] <macogw> marcelo: see the topic?
[12:18] <marcelo> mm who speak spanish?
[12:18] <filthpig> hi, how is the support for prism chipsets in gutsy? I know ralink is finally working better
[12:18] <marcelo> need the repositories of gusty
[12:18] <marcelo> the original repositories
[12:18] <savvas> fhClient: are you using a bittorrent application?
[12:18] <cliffstah> no idea filthpig, soz
[12:18] <alex_mayorga> macogw, on 2.6.22-13 I was using nvidia if I'm not mistaken
[12:18] <fhClient> savvas: nope.  absolutely nothing open except browsers, gnome-terminal and irc chat
[12:18] <alex_mayorga> !nvidia
[12:18] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:19] <marcelo> you can send a copy of the original repositories of gusty? macogw
[12:19] <hetauma_> !rc
[12:19] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) Release Candidate information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - The RC is development software and as such unstable, support *ONLY* in #ubuntu+1
[12:19] <darkzero> any chances gutsy will update compiz-fusion
[12:19] <macogw> marcelo: what do you mean "original repositories"?  thatd just be feisty's.  it's just updates of that
[12:19] <fhClient> savvas kRush: I also do NOT have problems with other computers connecting to the server via Samba.
[12:19] <savvas> fhClient: try this (it might disconnect you): sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart && sudo avahi-daemon restart
[12:19] <macogw> darkzero: yes we're using 0.6.0 i think
[12:19] <cliffstah> darkzero: what do you mean?
[12:19] <cliffstah> oh.
[12:20] <cliffstah> yeah, what he said :-)
[12:20] <macogw> darkzero: so if you're using something older on feisty, itll be updated
[12:20] <kRush> fhClient, do a dig some.url|grep ms and dig some.url in aaaa|grep ms post here
[12:20] <macogw> cliffstah: she
[12:20] <fhClient> savvas: restarting would have the same effect, right?
[12:20] <cliffstah> sorry, she
[12:20] <cliffstah> my mistake :-)
[12:20] <savvas> fhClient: well... no idea :)
[12:20] <macogw> np
[12:21] <TokenBad> I am trying to install drivers for the radeon 9250 and everytime I try to install the drivers...get this.  ./ati-installer.sh: 97: Syntax error: Bad substitution
[12:21] <TokenBad> anyone help?
[12:21] <darkzero> I meant the latest compiz-fusion plugin and other updates git from compiz-fusion.org
[12:21] <macogw> TokenBad: that card doesnt use fglrx
[12:21] <macogw> TokenBad: it just uses the open source "ati" driver
[12:21] <fhClient> savvas: cuz here's the thing: i'm running two computers with identical hardware, with the same problem on both.  one is restarting right now.
[12:21] <TokenBad> macogw, ok...so I should install what drivers?
[12:21] <fhClient> kRush: fhserver@fileserver:~$ dig cnn.com | grep ms
[12:21] <fhClient> ;; Query time: 28 msec
[12:21] <fhClient> fhserver@fileserver:~$ dig cnn.com in aaaa|grep ms
[12:22] <TokenBad> and there will be no 3d accell with it?
[12:22] <darkzero> as I head from compiz-fusion is closing to stable release
[12:22] <aaroncampbell> I installed the Kubuntu Gutsy beta, and I can't seem to add any more programs with "add programs" ...none are available.  Also, it shows no updates available for anything via adept, but not until after it gets stuck at 26-27% for quite some time
[12:22] <ohsoferrety> Has anyone else had weird problems with Firefox freezing the computer?
[12:22] <macogw> TokenBad: you dont need to install any.  they're preinstalled because they're open source.  just choose the "ati" ones in system > admin > screens & graphics.  and yes, they have 3D acceleration
[12:22] <macogw> ohsoferrety: yes
[12:22] <ohsoferrety> macogw: Same as what happens to me (weird white screen)?
[12:22] <macogw> ohsoferrety: i posted "top" output on here yesterday. 97% CPU on a 1.6ghz core duo and 180mb ram
[12:22] <kRush> fhClient, no output on the last one?
[12:22] <savvas> fhClient: I'm just suggesting stuff, it doesn't mean they'll work, mine gets fixed with the above commands
[12:23] <TokenBad> macogw, ok thanks
[12:23] <fhClient> kRush: correct.
[12:23] <macogw> ohsoferrety: oh. no.  all white screen usually means you tried to use compiz on two users at once
[12:23] <fhClient> savvas: ok.  :)  ill try that ont he other comp so I don't get disconnected.  let me verify again that it's having the same problem.
[12:23] <macogw> aaroncampbell: sudo apt-get update ?
[12:23] <ohsoferrety> macogw: This is with compiz disabled.
[12:23] <macogw> ohsoferrety: weird
[12:23] <alex_mayorga> macogw, seems like there at least three bugs related bug# 137828, bug# 139544 and bug# 146706
[12:24] <macogw> oh damn
[12:24] <ohsoferrety> macogw: I can run Firefox with compiz disabled and it might freeze, but if I have compiz on it'll white-screen-freeze if I load firefox.
[12:24] <macogw> you have to put the # by the numbers instead of the word
[12:24] <kRush> fhClient, in firefox enter about:config set network.dns.disableIPv6 to true
[12:24] <macogw> bug #137828, bug #139544 and bug #146706
[12:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137828 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "Dell Latitude nVidia card not handled correctly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137828
[12:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139544 in restricted-manager "Restricted Manager pushes wrong driver" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139544
[12:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146706 in xorg "[Gutsy Beta]  Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146706
[12:24] <macogw> ah there we go
[12:25] <fhClient> kRush: you are a GENIUS!  its perfect!  :)
[12:25] <darkzero> ,  found a way to used xswerver-xgl 7.2 in gutsy
[12:25] <darkzero> hehe
[12:25] <macogw> ohsoferrety: well no, not my bug. i have intel graphics and my firefox (gp) has extraordinary system resource usage after 5 or 6 hours of running
[12:25] <kRush> fhClient, no prob =)
[12:25] <fhClient> savvas kRush thank you for your help!
[12:26] <ohsoferrety> macogw: Ah, I haven't had that problem yet.
[12:26] <aaroncampbell> macogw: when I do that, I see a bunch of errors about not being able to connect to security.ubuntu.com:80
[12:26] <darkzero> I probably be doing more tweaking
[12:26] <macogw> aaroncampbell: do you have a proxy?
[12:26] <aaroncampbell> No
[12:26] <macogw> are the repos down?
[12:26] <ohsoferrety> macogw: I think my issue is with the nvidia-glx-new drivers. However, I upgrade those from nvidia-glx after having an issue with switching to GNOME form tty1.
[12:26] <ohsoferrety> ***from
[12:27] <ohsoferrety> macogw: Are you using MIT's repos?
[12:27] <cliffstah> . o O ( radiohead's new album is quite brilliant )
[12:27] <thelaser> Only dvds of the rc?
[12:27] <macogw> ohsoferrety: sorry i use intel graphics *shrug*
[12:27] <macogw> ohsoferrety: no, us
[12:27] <jmg> cliffstah: dethklok > radiohead.
[12:27] <alex_mayorga> macogw, I don't think so I can update just fine
[12:27] <cliffstah> shush
[12:27] <cliffstah> heathen
[12:27] <aaroncampbell> macogw: people would have noticed...I've had the same problem after 3 installs over the last week
[12:27] <ohsoferrety> Anyone know anything about nvidia drivers?
[12:27] <macogw> aaroncampbell: weirddd...messed up dns?
[12:27] <macogw> thelaser: where?? ive been trying to find a torrent to see
[12:28] <macogw> *seed
[12:28] <Demize> ohsoferrety: I do: They don't seem to work. :(
[12:28] <alex_mayorga> ohsoferrety, did your video went south after latest updates?
[12:28] <ohsoferrety> Not quite.
[12:28] <thelaser> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/rc/
[12:28] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[12:28] <darkzero> I'm sure envy video install driver will be update soon for those who want to install their video card the easy way
[12:28] <aaroncampbell> I can open conqueror, and get to http://security.ubuntu.com no problem...I get a directory listing with one link... an ubuntu dir
[12:28] <alex_mayorga> ohsoferrety, what card you've got?
[12:28] <thelaser> I don't see any cd images, unless yesterday's daily *is* the RC.
[12:29] <contrast83> Anyone aware of a fix for the "no backlight on laptops" bug?
[12:29] <ohsoferrety> alex_mayorga: NVIDIA GeForce 6100 (onboard)
[12:29] <Demize> ohsoferrety: Which card? Sound or video?
[12:29] <macogw> darkzero: restricted driver isnt easy?
[12:29] <ohsoferrety> Demize: Video.
[12:29] <alex_mayorga> ohsoferrety, I'm stuck at the vesa driver with a GeForce4 440 Go
[12:29] <Demize> Mine works, but I don't know if mine is Nvidia or not.
[12:29] <ohsoferrety> alex_mayorga: That sucks.
[12:29] <spasticteapot> I think that GNOME is on the fritz.
[12:29] <alex_mayorga> macogw, any pointers on my case?
it easy but for those who want the latest driver
[12:30] <spasticteapot> I just downloaded the latest updates, rebooted, and it told me the GNOME settings daemon is not working.
[12:30] <contrast83> Or alternately, does the "no backlight" bug only occur with a certain kernel?
[12:30] <ohsoferrety> Basically, my issue is that my screen randomly freezes when using Firefox without compiz, and will freeze right away if I load Firefox with compiz on.
[12:30] <hjmills> hey, any estimated date for integration of evolution 2.14?
[12:30] <alex_mayorga> spasticteapot, happen to me also
[12:30] <Demize> Anyone know how to get my HDA NVIDIA/Symatel card working? From what I've, but I have Gusty now. seen on the forms it won't
[12:30] <spasticteapot> Why is nothing zarking working with Ubuntu?
[12:30] <macogw> alex_mayorga: nope
[12:30] <alex_mayorga> spasticteapot, do an aptitude update/dist-upgrade and reboot, helped on my case
[12:30] <spasticteapot> The release date is what, Wednesday?
[12:31] <delight> thelaser: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/
[12:31] <macogw> darkzero: umm...i wasnt aware "sudo ./nvidia-installer.sh" was difficult
[12:31] <darkzero> thundersday
[12:31] <aaroncampbell> macogw: I also noticed that it tried to check the CDROM...I put the beta CD back in, and the available packages skyrockets from 960 to 23113 packages
[12:31] <darkzero> ooops
[12:31] <macogw> spasticteapot: thursday
[12:31] <alex_mayorga> =(
[12:31] <darkzero> I meant thursday
[12:31] <cliffstah> restart time, wish me luck :P
[12:31] <Demize> Good luck!
[12:31] <macogw> aaroncampbell: remove the cd rom from your /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:31] <alex_mayorga> cliffstah, good luck
[12:32] <cliffstah> lol thanks :-)
lol, any its depend on how people install their driver
[12:32] <alex_mayorga> macogw, where should I go, devel?
[12:32] <alex_mayorga> is there a restricted drivers channel of sorts?
[12:32] <thelaser> delight: ah, thanks muchly.
[12:33] <darkzero> <  need to get myself a macbook soon
[12:33] <Demize> Can anyone help me?
[12:33] <macogw> alex_mayorga: this is about it..just ask now and then and an nvidia user may pop up
[12:33] <darkzero> Demize with what?
[12:34] <darkzero> <  ati user
[12:35] <spasticteapot> darkzero: Nvidia for great win!
[12:35] <hjmills> will evolution 2.14 make it into gutsy?
[12:35] <spasticteapot> :P
[12:35] <USMarine> < nvidia
[12:35] <cliffstah> perfect :-)
[12:35] <Demize> I have the HDA Nvidia / Sigmatel STAC9200 Audio card. It won't work, nobody on the forums has any info. I was wondering if anyone here could help.
[12:36] <Demize> I'm also on Gusty, so that might work.
yeah I notice and I might switch with my new pc next year
[12:36] <alex_mayorga> anyone knows how to install "the special legacy NVIDIA GPU driver releases." ??
[12:36] <macogw> <-- intel. it never breaks.
[12:36] <hjmills> alex_mayorga, yes
[12:36] <alex_mayorga> hjmills, please save the day :)
[12:37] <darkzero> anyone else love breaking their system beise me
[12:37] <darkzero> lol
[12:37] <hjmills> alex_mayorga, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy
[12:37] <aaroncampbell> macogw: I did, and I'll try it again without the CD after the current update (about 350M to download)
[12:37] <mrj> we wouldn't use gutsy if we didn't like breaking systems
[12:37] <alex_mayorga> hjmills, let me try that
[12:37] <alex_mayorga> hjmills, anything else afterwards?
[12:37] <darkzero> lol
[12:38] <hjmills> alex_mayorga, possibly edit the xorg.conf but afaik thats pretty much it. the xorg might be done in a post-inst script hopefully
[12:38] <alex_mayorga> hjmills, what driver should I pick from then on, nv?
[12:38] <pvandewyngaerde> can i make an encrypted partition, and make my PC only start if my  USB stick , with the encryption key is in ?
[12:39] <darkzero> I'm curious, what the max memory everyone install on their system for performance
[12:39] <alex_mayorga> darkzero, as much as you can
[12:39] <alex_mayorga> I have only 128 MB here and it goes fine
I know but I want to know what they have now
[12:40] <hjmills> alex_mayorga, no, nvidia for the official, binary, 3d driver. nv is just the open source driver with no 3d support
[12:40] <macogw> alex_mayorga: nv = open source driver. no 3d
[12:40] <alex_mayorga> hjmills, OK, let me try that, thanks in advance
[12:40] <macogw> oh
[12:40] <macogw> what he said
[12:40] <hjmills> alex_mayorga, there is also another driver which i cant remember the name of which is open source and does do 3d but thats in dev stll
[12:40] <hjmills> alex_mayorga, good luck,
[12:40] <hjmills> night all
[12:41] <macogw> darkzero: i have 1GB, my mom has 768MB, and my dad's linux box (he doesn't use it, siblings do) has 192MB (that's running Debian though)
i see, thanks
[12:42] <cmp5> anyone know why evince 2.20.0 on gutsy would show only a blank window when opening pdfs?
[12:42] <darkzero> be surprising if someone here is using 8gb of memory
[12:43] <gnomefreak> macogw: not possible atm i think 3gig mem is max i know its less than 8gig without hacking it)
[12:44] <macogw> gnomefreak: er....why are you tellling me that?
[12:44] <macogw> its more like 3.2G really
[12:44] <macogw> you can get >4G with 64bit
[12:44] <macogw> i mean, if you have 4G on 32bit, it only sees like 3.2G
[12:44] <gnomefreak> macogw: sorry it was for darkzero
[12:44] <macogw> because a few of the registers get ignored
[12:44] <macogw> or used for something else
[12:45] <darkzero> gnomefreak, that respone to me
[12:45] <macogw> at least, ive read that's the eason
[12:45] <darkzero> lol
[12:45] <Moduliz0r> I can't wait for the official release :D
[12:45] <gnomefreak> Moduliz0r: what do you expect the final release to have that it doesnt have now?
[12:46] <kRush> less bugs =p
[12:46] <Moduliz0r> gnomefreak: Yeah
[12:46] <Moduliz0r> i have 2 Desktop bits in Places
[12:46] <Moduliz0r> it did have a load of doubles
[12:46] <gnomefreak> Moduliz0r: yep
[12:46] <Moduliz0r> but I'll be happier to know I'm running an official release when I can
[12:47] <Moduliz0r> :D 5 days or so
[12:47] <USMarine> i'm running an oficial release
[12:47] <Moduliz0r> :O
[12:47] <Moduliz0r> of 7.10?
[12:47] <USMarine> it's just no the final yet
[12:47] <darkzero> what missing in gutsy repository is libxine-extracodecs
[12:47] <Moduliz0r> haha
[12:47] <Moduliz0r> Ok then I mean the final
[12:48] <Moduliz0r> you IRC guys are so picky
[12:48] <USMarine> ye, i am with girls indeed
[12:48] <darkzero> why are we picky?
[12:48] <darkzero> lol
[12:48] <Moduliz0r> just picking out the little mistakes of a newbie
[12:48] <Moduliz0r> ^_^
[12:49] <USMarine> well, i don't know if you're a newbie
[12:49] <USMarine> it doesn't say that in your nick
[12:49] <kRush> will .23 kernel make it into gutsy?
[12:49] <USMarine> it doesn't say im a newbie either in my nick
[12:49] <crdlb> kRush, no
[12:49] <USMarine> kRush: yes, maybe not in time of the first release
[12:49] <Moduliz0r[Newbie> now it does
[12:49] <darkzero> < still a new but getting to pro soon
[12:49] <jojo4u> ... well the release candidate is on cdimage/release.ubuntu now. but no reference on the main page or devel-announce or the wiki. is this intentional? just wondering.
[12:49] <darkzero> hehehe
[12:49] <crdlb> kRush, 22 was chosen months ago
[12:50] <kRush> ok thx
[12:50] <crdlb> it's *way* too late to switch kernel release
[12:50] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> meh, ubuntu works already
[12:50] <darkzero> once I learn all there is aout linux, I might be exspire to be a programmer myself
[12:50] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> isn't that the main thing?
[12:51] <darkzero> Anyway, I'm off now
[12:51] <darkzero> later all
[12:52] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> Loller.
[12:52] <ChaosParser> USMarine: What was that supposed to mean?
[12:53] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> Is Compiz Fusion included in the beta release of 7.10?
[12:53] <riotkittie> Moduliz0r|Newbie: yes
[12:53] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> ok cool
[12:53] <ohsoferrety> THIS is what happens. My PC just locked up again ironically on nvidia's own website: http://ferretton.mine.nu/strangeness.jpg
[12:53] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> i need to restart but i have 300odd updates to do first
[12:53] <USMarine> ChaosParser: ?
[12:53] <USMarine> Moduliz0r|Newbie: yes
[12:55] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> do the nvidia restricted drivers enable  TV-out?
[12:55] <USMarine> didn' try it yet
[12:55] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> OK
[12:55] <USMarine> but think so
[12:55] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> Cool
[12:55] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> Well it doesn't matter much anyway, I don't have a HDTV and my card only outputs HDTV i think
[12:55] <Eminence> (gusty beta) my xorg.conf is configured to use the 'nv' driver, but a lsmod reports that 'nvidia' is loaded.  any idea what's up with this?
[12:56] <savvas> ohsoferrety: maybe a flash problem
[12:56] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> SMB support is awesome :)
[12:56] <ohsoferrety> savvas: This never happened before
[12:57] <USMarine> Eminence: sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals --composite -d 24
[12:57] <savvas> ohsoferrety: uname -r
[12:57] <savvas> ohsoferrety: actually: uname -a
[12:57] <ohsoferrety> savvas: Linux ferret 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Wed Oct 10 06:00:47 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:58] <savvas> ok I'll be quiet now
[12:58] <savvas> :P
[12:58] <Eminence> USMarine, ok.  that seems to have changed my xorg.conf to use the 'nvidia' driver instead
[12:58] <USMarine> Eminence: no shit
[12:58] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> haha
[12:59] <ohsoferrety> savvas: Lol, what do you mean?
[12:59] <savvas> skipping non-regular file "ubuntu-7.10-rc-desktop-amd64.iso"
[12:59] <savvas> skipping non-regular file "ubuntu-7.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso"
[12:59] <savvas> hm..
[12:59] <savvas> rsync doesn't work anymore?
[12:59] <USMarine> Eminence: you need to restart the Xserver to update
[12:59] <Moduliz0r> is .iso an open format?
[12:59] <savvas> Moduliz0r: well.. I think so, mkisofs uses it
[12:59] <Moduliz0r> well it's mighty popular
[01:00] <Moduliz0r> so i hope it is :|
[01:00] <thelaser> savvas: you need -L
[01:00] <thelaser> to follow the link
[01:00] <MisterN> .iso is just the file system used on CDs
[01:00] <MisterN> be it open or not
[01:00] <Eminence> so here's another question. why does 'nvidia-settings' report that i'm not using the NVIDIA X driver (whereas as far as i can tell, i am)
[01:01] <savvas> thelaser: cheers :)
[01:01] <Moduliz0r> have you restarted the X Server?
[01:01] <USMarine> Eminence: you didn't restart the Xserver
[01:01] <Eminence> yes, i did
[01:01] <Moduliz0r> again?
[01:01] <Moduliz0r> did you have to re-login?
[01:01] <Eminence> i even get the fancy nvidia splash graphic
[01:01] <Moduliz0r> hmm
[01:01] <Eminence> yes, i logged out, and ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:01] <Moduliz0r> didn't it used to be Shift+Backspace? that was annoying
[01:02] <riotkittie> nice. gparted is playing hide and seek.
[01:02] <Moduliz0r> gparted is a life saver
[01:02] <Moduliz0r> ./eLife Saver
[01:02] <riotkittie> argh.
[01:03] <USMarine> Eminence: try restarting though i'm not sure if it will do any difference since that's quite odd
[01:03] <savvas> riotkittie: gksu gparted :p
[01:03] <Eminence> i have also tried running the driver installer from nvidia's website, with no luck (that is, nvidia-settings still reports that i'm not using an nvidia driver)
[01:03] <Moduliz0r> gparted is on the live cd but i'm not sure if I can find it on an installed system
[01:03] <riotkittie> savvas: i may be clueless, but i'm not /that/ far gone :P
[01:04] <Moduliz0r> might have to install it
[01:04] <Moduliz0r> :|
[01:04] <savvas> riotkittie: you said it was hiding.. I thought I might give it a hand to reveal itself :p
[01:04] <Moduliz0r> it seems to have gone away
[01:04] <riotkittie> i had it running, and it closed itself when i deactivated one of my /swaps
[01:04] <Eminence> USMarine, i've tried restarting before.  (doing so again to be sure) but i have a feeling that it won't make any difference either
[01:04] <savvas> Moduliz0r: it's packed for the live cd, but not for the installation
[01:05] <Moduliz0r> savvas: Thought so
[01:05] <savvas> s/for/in
[01:05] <TFrog> i'm curious as to how stable gutsy gibon beta is and if the ATI proprietary drivers work without issue
[01:05] <kristjan_> what happened with kdm? why do I have to "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart" in order to see changes made to kdmtheme?
[01:05] <savvas> TFrog: the release candidate is out
[01:06] <USMarine> TFrog: i have some issues
[01:06] <TFrog> ty savvas. i'll have to update and download an image for backup purposes
[01:06] <jburris> the ATI drivers are working for me, but the effects won't enable
[01:06] <riotkittie> ah ha. turning /swap on has the same effect. i've never seen gparted do this. then again, i usually use the gparted live CD
[01:06] <TFrog> what issues USMarine?
[01:06] <Eminence> also, unrelated i think, but i'll mention it anyway:  during shutdown, it appears to hang at 'Stopping network connection manager NetworkManager'  and 2 minutes later: 'run-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager existed with return code 2'
[01:06] <USMarine> sometimes my icons don't open in tray
[01:06] <USMarine> and open like normal windows
[01:06] <TFrog> ah. could be a video issue
[01:07] <Eminence> anybody happen to know if is this a known issue?
[01:07] <TFrog> my only other question is how well does ndiswrapper work in the new release. i had issues with fiesty. turned out to be the driver itself
[01:08] <USMarine> all my hardware works with native drivers
[01:08] <riotkittie>  segmentation fault. ah ha.
[01:08] <Moduliz0r> driver support in ubuntu is pretty good
[01:08] <TFrog> USMarine, i hate the native driver for broadcom. it's just another windows hack as i see it
[01:08] <riotkittie> i have the native driver for ralink :(
[01:08] <TFrog> sorry Moduliz0r, i'm a KDE fan myself
[01:09] <USMarine> mine is an Aethos
[01:09] <Moduliz0r> :P
[01:09] <TFrog> i could only wish i had Atheros in this Compaq laptop
[01:09] <USMarine> kde ftw
[01:09] <Eminence> i've had some issues with the native broadcom driver, too.  seems my card will refuse to talk to some access points
[01:09] <Moduliz0r> me ftw!
[01:09] <USMarine> since Acer didn't release 64bit drivers
[01:09] <USMarine> i switched to linux
[01:10] <savvas> oh god no, no more ftw, you wow maniacs are all over irc! :p
[01:10] <Moduliz0r> Sony lacks for 64bit drivers and any Linux drivers
[01:10] <Moduliz0r> they can rot in hell
[01:10] <savvas> no offense btw :)
[01:10] <Danaman5> If I have the gutsy beta, do I need to do anything special to upgrade to the Gutsy RC?
[01:10] <USMarine> yeah, wait
[01:10] <riotkittie> ftw ftl
[01:10] <TFrog> i won't run the 64 bit till there is enough true 64 bit software for it
[01:10] <Moduliz0r> wow maniacs? World of warcraft?
[01:10] <ChaosParser> Danaman5: It'll tell you.
[01:10] <Moduliz0r> World of Warcraft := Sucks
[01:11] <Danaman5> ChaosParser: I just ran the updater, and it didn't tell me
[01:11] <Stevethepirate> no, its WoW == Sucks, returns true
[01:11] <savvas> riotkittie: I could expand ftl to my judgement.. :p
[01:11] <Moduliz0r> yay
[01:11] <TFrog> ty for the information folks. later
[01:11] <Moduliz0r> Sony == WoW also returns true
[01:11] <ChaosParser> Danaman5: The updates will update you as needed.
[01:12] <Moduliz0r> Sony==Sucks->Output=True
[01:12] <savvas> Stevethepirate: yo pirate stevey, did you fix that machine?
[01:12] <ChaosParser> Danaman5: So when Gutsy goes live, you'll have it if you update.
[01:12] <Stevethepirate> savvas: yeah
[01:12] <Stevethepirate> stupid fricken gdm-custom-config
[01:12] <ChaosParser> Moduliz0r: I love my Vaio desktop, tyvm.
[01:12] <Stevethepirate> had like a lame line in it
[01:12] <savvas> Stevethepirate: removed and reinstalled the nvidia drivers? :p
[01:12] <Moduliz0r> haha
[01:12] <Moduliz0r> I hate Sony's software
[01:12] <Stevethepirate> savvas: got compiz working as well
[01:12] <savvas> ah, heh
[01:12] <USMarine> Stevethepirate: i knew you were lame
[01:12] <Stevethepirate> USMarine: luls
[01:13] <Moduliz0r> They don't acknowledge: a) Linux, b) x64 Operating Systems in general
[01:13] <Stevethepirate> from a dude with "US" in their nae
[01:13] <alex_mayorga> amyone with experience with the geforce4 go 440 card?
[01:13] <MisterN> Moduliz0r: and anything from sony, eh?
[01:13] <Moduliz0r> it doesnt exist in their eyes
[01:13] <savvas> congrats.. or.. gdmgrats in this matter :)
[01:13] <Stevethepirate> i would stfu about 1) lame 2) stupid
[01:13] <filthpig> how is the support for prism chipsets in gutsy? I know ralink is finally working better.. I'm specifically wondering about a ZyXEL/ZyAIR B-120
[01:13] <Stevethepirate> savvas: my sound is phail though
[01:13] <Danaman5> ChaosParser: Ok, maybe it already updated me, it just didn't call it an RC upgrade.  Thanks
[01:13] <MisterN> Moduliz0r: users who don't like rootkits don't exist either... for sony
[01:13] <Stevethepirate> /dev/dsp does not exist
[01:13] <riotkittie> finally working better? hee. hee. hee. <dies>
[01:13] <Moduliz0r> true
[01:13] <USMarine> Stevethepirate: at least i have net, can't say the same about most pirates
[01:13] <savvas> Stevethepirate: cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:14] <ChaosParser> Moduliz0r: If you're using linux, why do you care about the software from a company in bed with Microsoft?
[01:14] <riotkittie> well wait. my ralink doesnt freeze my system in gutsy. that was a step up :P
[01:14] <Stevethepirate> savvas: nothing there
[01:14] <Moduliz0r> Heh, the "Most users, I think don't know what a rootkit is..." quote :P
[01:14] <Stevethepirate> /proc/asound doesn't exist
[01:14] <Moduliz0r> I used to use XP x64 about 20 minutes ago
[01:14] <ChaosParser> Danaman5: You are using Gutsy, right?
[01:14] <Moduliz0r> so I do care
[01:14] <savvas> Stevethepirate: lspci and paste it somewhere, like http://pastebin.ca
[01:14] <ChaosParser> Moduliz0r: Oh, you're a brand-n00b.
[01:14] <slasher> yo
[01:14] <ChaosParser> Welcome.
[01:14] <Danaman5> ChaosParser: Yes, I am
[01:14] <Moduliz0r> I've used ubuntu before
[01:14] <ohsoferrety> !pastebin
[01:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:15] <Moduliz0r> but i changed graphics card and couldn't be bothered to change configs
[01:15] <savvas> Stevethepirate: also include this: sudo lshw
[01:15] <filthpig> riotkittie: there you go ;)
[01:15] <savvas> ohsoferrety: i prefer the canadians :P
[01:15] <savvas> lol
[01:16] <filthpig> Also my Linksys WUSB54GC (rt73) went from not working (with WEP enabled) in feisty to working in gutsy.. Although it dies randomly and requires unplugging and replugging
[01:16] <ohsoferrety> hahaha
[01:16] <savvas> we have a copy-cat among us!
[01:16] <RootKitty> :O
[01:16] <RootKitty> mine is RootKitty
[01:16] <RootKitty> not Riotkittie
[01:16] <savvas> so?
[01:16] <RootKitty> :|
[01:16] <savvas> you're still a copy-cat :p
[01:16] <filthpig> hey it's been a long day, cut me some slack :p
[01:16] <RootKitty> i copied sony?
[01:16] <Stevethepirate> http://pastebin.ca/733618 @ savvas
[01:16] <filthpig> not slackware, though
[01:17] <savvas> let's see
[01:17] <alex_mayorga> anyone that might help me get out of 800*600 video?
[01:17] <savvas> Stevethepirate: you haven't posted a bug about it have you?
[01:17] <Stevethepirate> No.
[01:17] <RootKitty> tbh I'd have thought this nick would be registered
[01:17] <riotkittie> i bet i look better in a dress.
[01:17] <riotkittie> then again, maybe not. D:
[01:17] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: Video card?
[01:18] <filthpig> there are very few kitties in the linuxing world :p
[01:18] <savvas> #
[01:18] <savvas> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[01:18] <RootKitty> i look better bundled on a Sony Music CD
[01:18] <savvas> it should work :\
[01:18] <Stevethepirate> savvas: if only.
[01:18] <Stevethepirate> I'm asking another dude in #alsa
[01:18] <RootKitty> I also look better when caught changing CD drivers
[01:18] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser,  nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go]  [10de:0174]  (rev a3) according to lspci -nn
[01:19] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: Does it show as installed in the restricted driver manager?
[01:19] <USMarine> alex_mayorga: how big is your monitor?
[01:19] <alex_mayorga> USMarine, 26"
[01:19] <RootKitty> i'm stuck in some weird box resolution
[01:19] <RootKitty> but i haven't restarted since i installed the restricted drivers
[01:19] <Stevethepirate> savvas: gutsy's been okay.
[01:19] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: Just edit your xorg.  sudo gedit etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:19] <Stevethepirate> with the exception of my video problems..
[01:20] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: throw the desired resolution in front of all the others, everywhere a resolution is listed.
[01:20] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser, it shows ans in use and has a checkbox that is checked and a green check
[01:20] <ChaosParser> Gutsy is a godsend.
[01:20] <ChaosParser> It's easier to install than windows now.
[01:20] <Stevethepirate> Luls
[01:20] <Moduliz0r> Gutsy is cool
[01:20] <savvas> Stevethepirate: laptop?
[01:20] <Stevethepirate> desktop
[01:20] <ChaosParser> Stevethepirate: whats your problem?
[01:20] <filthpig> there is one bug in the ubuntu installer that annoys me though
[01:20] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser, let me try that