Outlanderhi, im using gutsy, how do i set my window manager? xfce4 is loading for some reason, i have compiz so want that to be default01:23
ratpoisonbastid_raZor: can't help then, sry01:23
^Ocean^ratpoison, if i run emerald-theme-manager, there is only Untitled Theme for my options. ..01:23
ratpoisonwell, try alt+f2 emerald --replace01:23
ratpoisondoes it work?01:23
^Ocean^No chaneg01:23
bastid_raZorratpoison: by it not installing that .. does that mean i am doomed to do a fresh install from the iso01:24
Outlanderwhat config file would store the preferred wm?01:24
jburrisanyone know if there is a thread on getting visual effects working with ATI cards?01:24
ratpoisonbastid_raZor: don't know, can't help! I only said that because I know that you can't have both packages01:24
ratpoisonand I thought maybe you had it01:24
bastid_raZoroh, okay. :)01:25
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^Ocean^is there a package for the emerald themes ?01:26
bastid_raZori'm not wanting to do a fresh install but if all else fails i don't have much of a choice01:26
ximali'm back on top ! woot !01:26
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ximalsup vuen !01:27
ratpoisonbastid_raZor: try sudo aptitude safe-upgrade01:27
ximalwhat's wrong raZor ?01:27
ratpoisonor sudo apt-get install --fix-missing01:27
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Vuenhey guys. compiz does this really irritating thing where it automatically gives focus to a window whenever i hover the mouse over it. how do i get rid of that?01:28
ximalspecial effects settings01:28
ximaltry that vuen ;)01:28
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bastid_raZorratpoison: similiar errors..01:28
bastid_raZorratpoison: i probably should have tried aptitude before doing the apt-get way..01:29
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zerwasIs it still possible to have a package bugfix update integrated into Gutsy until this point?01:29
ximalbastid_raZor : what's the issue ?01:29
ratpoison man dpkg-reconfigure and work your way through there01:29
bastid_raZorximal: E: tzdata: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1001:30
bastid_raZorximal: E: util-linux: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured01:30
ximaldo this01:30
ximal sudo apt-get install update01:30
ximaltry it..01:30
ximalsee if it will force it to check some of the broken items your having trouble with01:30
bastid_raZorcoudln't finde package update..01:30
Vuenyeah, that's not correct ximal01:31
ximalit said that ?01:31
bastid_raZorshould i have install in there?01:31
ratpoisonomit install I guess01:31
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Vuenbastid_raZor: doesn't matter, apt-get update won't do a thing01:31
ximalit should ?01:31
ratpoisonbut it's the same as aptitude safe-upgrade01:31
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^Ocean^okay, compiz starts just fine, but there are no window Deccorations,   ( Border around my windows, titlebar,  Min/Max/Close Buttons )01:31
ratpoisonximal: I've had broken dependency issues and nothing seemed to work01:31
bastid_raZorVuen: i agree, i get errors when trying to do any aptitude or apt-get or synaptic.. now01:32
Vuen^Ocean^: gnome or kde?01:32
dnanyone using numlockx with gutsy?01:32
^Ocean^Vuen, Gnome01:32
ximalwhat version you guys running ?01:32
ximalgutsy -14 ?01:32
tanathwhat's the best way to scan a page into a new text/word document? preferrably with formatting intact01:32
ratpoison^Ocean^: try alt+f2 gtk-window-decorator --replace01:32
ratpoisonif emerald --replace didn't work01:32
bastid_raZorximal: i did gksu apt-get update-manager -c -d ..01:32
ratpoison !compiz > ^Ocean^01:32
bastid_raZorand now i'm where i'm at.. broken like a bm01:32
bastid_raZorbum.. rather01:33
^Ocean^hmm,  Ran that,  and it just hangs, ( Ran it in a terminal01:33
tanathi don't see a way to do it from openoffice01:33
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tanathanyone know?01:33
sayersUhm did this update just break a ton of things?01:33
^Ocean^Also, another note,  When I run a gnome-terminal, the window Opens, but its All white,  cant read any text or anything01:33
Vuen^Ocean^: sounds like your xorg.conf is missing ARGBVisuals. pastebin it01:33
ximaltry doing a fresh reinstalll m8 if u r having issues.. redownload and burn the image at 1x01:33
ximalmight help bastid :01:33
bastid_raZori have the cd iso of 7.10 .. was just trying to avoid a fresh install01:34
ximalthey did a kernel update recently and some other package updates01:34
bastid_raZorheh, i worked hard on tweakings01:34
ximali did a fresh install of the -12 kernel am64 bit and then immediately used updater to get everything working01:34
ximalme too.. but the more you work on them the easier they come to you01:35
bastid_raZori agree.. thanks. i'll do the fresh install and wave bye bye to all my pretty settings01:35
^Ocean^Vuen, http://pastebin.com/m352d54401:35
bastid_raZorthanks for the kick while i was down.. my back now aches01:35
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ximalwhen you get back .. come in here and stuff... tomorrow morning i'll be on01:36
ximali'll share my tweaks with you that savvas and other devs have helped me with01:36
Vuen^Ocean^: yep. at the bottom of Section "Screen" add this:        Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"01:36
ximalget you all the codecs etc01:36
ximalok ?01:36
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bastid_raZorokay, it'll be around 7am EST01:36
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Vuen^Ocean^: then save all your work, ctrl+alt+backspace and try again01:36
bastid_raZorximal awesome. thanks. i'll be sure to look for you then.01:37
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Vuenbastid_raZor: you definitely shouldn't need to fresh install...01:37
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Vuenbastid_raZor: if an upgrade is broken you could file a bug report.01:37
^Ocean^       Modes      "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"01:37
^Ocean^    EndSubSection01:37
^Ocean^Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"01:37
^Ocean^like that ?01:37
ximalok m801:37
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^Ocean^okay gonna give it a shot01:37
ximali can't help with much but i'll pass what i get done and can pass on ;)01:37
timURHow do i enable Nvidia Legacy acceleration ????01:38
ximalgo to system01:38
Vuenbastid_raZor: also, you shouldn't need to re-tweak anything, just don't wipe your home partition01:38
Vuenbastid_raZor: you can keep all your settings if you keep home01:38
ximalsystem > administration/ resitricted drivers01:38
ximalfor nvidia01:38
bastid_raZorVuen: home won't be touched.. plus i have moved several scripts that i use ..01:38
ximalyeah m8..01:39
ximalyou can always re-import01:39
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^Ocean^Vuen, hmm, okay didnt seem too make any differance..01:39
bastid_raZorchildren need fatherly influences.. thanks will be around in the a.m.01:39
Vuen<ratpoison> ^Ocean^: try alt+f2 gtk-window-decorator --replace01:39
Vuendo that again01:40
^Ocean^Vuen, I ran it in a terminal,  it runs ,  but nothing01:40
ximalu gonna freak him out m801:40
^Ocean^uss@Aqualung:~$ gtk-window-decorator --replace01:40
ximalmaking him switch to text mode01:40
^Ocean^and thats it, just hangs there i guess..01:40
Vuen^Ocean^: you sure you restarted X?01:40
^Ocean^well i did ctrl+alt+backspace and re-logged in..01:40
Vuenah. that would do it.01:41
Vuentry asking in #compiz-fusion01:41
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ximalgoing full mode guys to watch me movie.. yall have a good one ;)01:41
StevethepirateHi. Get a "Failed to fetch http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/pub/linux/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch"01:43
Stevethepiratewhen trying to update to gutsy01:43
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Stevethepiratealso get a dbus error when running gksu update-manager -c -d01:44
Stevethepiratebut followed online guide on "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades" and still get problems..01:44
Stevethepirateanyone help me?01:44
magicrobotmonkeyim gonna install gutsy on a mac mini with rEFIt and feisty, anyone know how to do that without grub replacing rEFIt?01:45
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moonliteDoes 7.10 use noatime by default?01:49
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moonlitesecond time i manage to part while writing a message. Pressing ctrl+w isn't the same as ctrl+e :/01:54
StevethepirateHi. Get a "Failed to fetch http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/pub/linux/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch"01:55
Stevethepiratealso get a dbus error when running gksu update-manager -c -d01:55
Stevethepiratebut followed online guide on "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades" and still get problems..01:55
Stevethepirateany help?01:55
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scizzo-Stevethepirate: 3rd part link?01:56
MTecknologyhow do I get my mic to work?01:57
Stevethepiratescizzo-: sorry what?01:57
scizzo-Stevethepirate: is it a 3rd party link?01:57
Stevethepiratethe updating?01:58
Stevethepirate*updating server?01:58
scizzo-Stevethepirate: the link01:58
AmyRoseDo you guys like breaking support for Ralink USB wifi dongles every release?01:58
Stevethepirate-which- link01:58
scizzo-Stevethepirate: http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/pub/linux/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/01:58
Stevethepirateits a local mirror01:58
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Stevethepirate[i get 10meg/sec off it] 01:58
Stevethepiratescizzo-: ....01:59
nosrednaekimhas anyone else had problems with their atheros wireless with recent updates?01:59
scizzo-Stevethepirate: well it might not be updated...01:59
AmyRosenosrednaekim: No01:59
scizzo-Stevethepirate: I would suggest you try again in a bit01:59
AmyRoseI'm just having problems with my Ralink wireless!01:59
Stevethepiratescizzo-: i can try another mirror..02:00
AmyRosebut my laptop (with Atheros) is working great02:00
Stevethepiratehow large is all the updates?02:00
nosrednaekimAmyRose: huh... my atheros driver is giving errors on modprobe..02:00
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AmyRosenosrednaekim: I don't even have to modprobe it because HAL detects it automagically02:00
Stevethepiratescizzo-: .. /ping02:01
scizzo-Stevethepirate: what?02:01
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scizzo-Stevethepirate: I am not sure how much it is02:01
scizzo-Stevethepirate: a lot...I guess02:01
Stevethepirate> 300 megs?02:01
nosrednaekimAmyRose: well neither did I, on back in all the alphas, it was automagically detected, but recently, it stopped being so, so I tried modprobing and got some erros02:01
scizzo-Stevethepirate: yes02:02
scizzo-Stevethepirate: maybe02:02
Stevethepiratethen it will phail for me..02:02
Stevethepiratecapped internet ftl.02:02
AmyRosenosrednaekim: What sort of errors?02:02
scizzo-Stevethepirate: jesus...run apt-get -u dist-upgrade and see....I am not sure...02:02
nosrednaekimAmyRose: [  435.178399]  ath_pci: Unknown symbol _ath_hal_attach02:02
nosrednaekimand tons more like that, but with different symbols02:03
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Stevethepiratedo not use teh lords name in vain02:03
nosrednaekim(thats from dmesg02:03
nosrednaekim+1 Stevethepirate02:03
AmyRosenosrednaekim: Have you made sure you're using the latest restricted modules?02:03
nosrednaekimAmyRose: yalp.02:03
Stevethepiratei'm atheist :P02:03
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nosrednaekimAmyRose: just a sec... let me try a reboot real fast.02:04
Stevethepirateis there a way to ignore md5 checksums?02:04
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AmyRosenosrednaekim: How did it work?02:08
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nosrednaekimAmyRose: no modprobe errors... automatically loads the modules.02:09
nosrednaekimbut still no wireless.02:09
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AmyRosenosrednaekim: How are you getting on the Internet then?02:09
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nosrednaekimI have been violated!! ;)02:10
AmyRosenosrednaekim: I thought this channel was for GNOME lovers =P02:11
AmyRose(I'm kidding, of course)02:11
nosrednaekimAmyRose: XD02:12
nosrednaekimthere is a HIGH percentage of kubuntu users here..02:12
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Stevethepirateubuntu > *02:12
AmyRoseok, I better stop now02:12
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AmyRoseStevethepirate: Yeah, wait for it to finish!02:13
Stevethepirateupdate manager rates it can download all the files now02:14
Stevethepiratewish me luck02:14
Stevethepiratei may never return here :P02:14
buntunu1localhost on?02:14
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AmyRoseI do want to ask about why most things seem to only be fixed if GNOME users see the problem too02:15
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macogwhi amy02:15
scizzo-AmyRose: then why not use XFCE which is smaller and also has loads of stuff in it?02:16
AmyRoseI've reported a handful of things on the bug tracker (and subscribed to many more) and the only ones that got any attention from the devs seem to be related to GNOME02:16
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nosrednaekimAmyRose: yeah... well GNOME is sadly where the focus is.02:16
AmyRosescizzo-: What does that have to do with anything?02:16
scizzo-AmyRose: well you said KDE was more interesting then GNOME02:17
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scizzo-AmyRose: just making a statement that it might depend a bit on the choice of the person...02:17
scizzo-AmyRose: some even just use TWM02:17
AmyRosescizzo-: That has nothing to do with the bug tracker.02:18
macogwi like E1702:18
macogwno NM-applet though :(02:18
macogwthat's my wm when there's no wifi around02:18
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|neon|question when going into yahoo games firefox freezes  now opera works fine java is installed any suggestions02:18
AmyRoseIt would make things easier when X won't start02:19
AmyRose|neon|: Use Opera!02:19
macogwfluxbox is also fun02:19
macogwAmyRose: but that's little-f "free"02:19
|neon|i like ff better02:19
AmyRose|neon|: Have you tried Konqueror?02:19
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macogwif you dont like kde you wont like konqueror02:20
AmyRosemacogw: But Java isn't Free Software yet either02:20
|neon|AmyRose: yahoo tells me to update to a more recent browser02:20
AmyRose|neon|: Like IE6? :P02:21
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AmyRoseIf IE6 is their idea of a recent browser, they're dumb02:21
macogw|neon|: yahoo told me to update my firefox to firefox 2 when i tried to login to my email with firefox 302:21
|neon|i like firefox the best tho i could use opera to play yahoo games02:21
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AmyRose|neon|: Seriously, though, try going to about:plugins and seeing which Java plug-ins are installed. If it's not using the02:21
AmyRoseSun plug-in, that's the problem02:21
|neon|AmyRose: will try that thx02:22
AmyRose|neon|: ywm02:22
AmyRosemacogw: |neon| is using KVirc, which is why I asked about Konqueror =302:22
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macogwoh did you ctcp him?02:22
macogwer...i think thats how--ok that answers that02:23
macogwhow do you do a ctcp? like this?02:23
AmyRoseIf they're using a KDE/Qt IRC client, I suggest KDE versions02:23
AmyRosemacogw: Yeah, like that02:23
macogwah the bot explains when you screw up02:23
macogwctcp userinfo on you didnt do anything02:24
AmyRosemacogw: Yeah, I know. Konversation doesn't reply to them02:24
macogwoh ok02:24
macogwwhats userinfo usually tell you?02:24
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AmyRosemacogw: Nothing, actually.02:25
macogwwell then that's a silly thing to list as "common messages"02:25
AmyRosemacogw: I can CTCP-VERSION people by right-clicking on their name in the chat window and clicking Version02:25
nosrednaekimAmyRose: heh.. thats what I was trying to do ;)02:27
AmyRoseKonversation > *02:27
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RoC_MasterMindWhat day of the week does 7.10 release?02:29
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macogwRoC_MasterMind:  ^02:29
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RoC_MasterMindI saw.02:32
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mrjWhat package is the GL desktop a part of02:33
mrjDoes it come with kubuntu desktop?02:33
nosrednaekimmrj: no.02:33
mrjIts a part of compiz?02:33
Dr_williskubuntu does not include the compiz stuff02:33
mrjI didnt see it until I installed kubuntu desktop02:33
sow1where do you file a bug report?  I'm running gutsy and having issues setting up dual monitor extended support with ati 9700 card02:34
mrjmaybe it was an update02:34
Dr_willisubuntu does include compiz02:34
mrji know02:34
nosrednaekimKAmyRose: went patriotic?02:34
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mrjI didnt know GL desktop was a part of compiz02:34
bazhangDon't know if anyone else has experienced this but after latest updates in Gutsy (full up to date now) K3b and Konversation refuse to work with Compiz-Fusion in Kubuntu Gutsy, and I will certainly mention this in #compiz-fusion as well, just wondering if this only my issue, or if others had the same problem. Or GNOME users, for that matter. Cheers!02:34
nosrednaekimmrj: do you mean XGL?02:34
Dr_willisNot sure what 'gl desktop' even is...02:34
nosrednaekimbazhang: not that they would be using those apps ;)02:34
mrjno, under system>prefs i have a "GL Desktop" icon now02:34
mrjwith a foot02:35
mrja gnome foot02:35
Dr_willisThats the old preferance icon name for the compiz stuff02:35
Dr_willisI think. :)02:35
macogwDr_willis: "GL Desktop" is the menu's name for the old GNOME Compiz Config02:35
mrjMy desktop is really annoying to use right now and I cant get it customized02:35
bazhangnosrednaekim: haha, I would guess not..02:35
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bazhangnosrednaekim: gnomebaker, and uh, Gonversation?02:36
nosrednaekimbazhang: and no...i'm not using compiz right now.but they did just update to compiz .6.002:36
nosrednaekimbazhang: Xchat or pidgin.02:36
bazhangnosrednaekim: should I wait it out? or try it in GNOME and see what happens--no issues with those programs for you?02:37
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nosrednaekimbazhang: like I said... i'm not using compiz.02:37
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bazhangnosrednaekim: specifically CD/DVD burning in K3b, oh right, sorry.02:38
nosrednaekimi'll get around to testing it out though..02:38
bazhangnosrednaekim: thanks again, appreciate it.02:38
nosrednaekimbazhang: i'm waiting for the new ATI drivers.02:38
mrjI dont know what I did but all of my settings done in the compizconfig manager dont do anything, but if i use the GL desktop and disable GL desktop it stops the compiz effects02:39
mrjblah i might just reinstall02:39
AmyRosemrj: Huh?02:39
Dr_willis  mrj  i had some oddity yesterday where the settings were ignored. then compiz crashed.02:40
Dr_willisa logout/back in may kick it in the head02:40
mrjit seems like i have the old compiz running next to the new compiz02:41
mrjor something02:41
mrji just went through the new compiz and disabled everything02:41
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mrjpretty sure its because i installed kubuntu desktop02:41
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DanaGArgh, Pidgin exited when I closed the buddy list.02:42
DanaGYet, I have it set to always show in systray.02:43
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nosrednaekimDanaG: I've had that happen to me... its a crash.02:43
DanaGIt happened twice in a row.02:43
DanaGAlso, when Compiz starts with my session, all window shadows are white rectangles.02:43
pestilenceugh.  why can't my card keep a WPA connection in gutsy02:45
pestilenceit is constantly disconnecting/reconnecting02:45
macogwpestilence: i dont know but gutsy release day torrenting will be the test for my wired connection.  supposedly the upstream sky2 has had some repairs. we'll see.02:47
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macogwwhat's a nice gtk torrent client?02:49
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RAOFmacogw: I like deluge.  It seems to work :)02:50
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sainzeoi'm trying to setup an external monitor with gutsy but haven't been able to do it correctly - any suggestions?02:50
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DemizeHow would I install the beta on my computer? I have Ubuntu already, I just need to know.02:52
Dr_willisWow.. you have no patience.02:54
scizzo-Demize: you mean a simple command?02:55
Dr_willisYou want to install.. or UPGRADE.02:55
DemizeWhat do you mean by a simple command?02:55
scizzo-well in 7 days is the release02:56
scizzo-but if you really want it now..... gksu update-manager -c -d02:56
DemizeThat'll do it?02:57
scizzo-Demize: try it and see?02:57
DanaGMy bug: bug 12183302:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12183302:58
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nosrednaekimDanaG: the kubuntu guys were just working on that I think..(or something like that)02:59
jojo4ubtw, is the RC on it's way?02:59
scizzo-jojo4u: RC?03:00
PiciDanaG: You probably should mark it as new/confirmed not incomplete so someone looks at it03:00
scizzo-jojo4u: gutsy is released as stable in 7 days03:00
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jojo4uI mean the release candidate due today (UTC time)03:01
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frostburnanyone familiar with this error? http://nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=a1d544e6c6390ef75eb774ea409788d9&t=9225203:04
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jo1anyone help me add the universe/multiverse repositories to gutsy?03:04
bazhangjo1: via the command line or adept/synaptic?03:05
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pestilencewhy has firefox all of a sudden started stealing focus when a new tab opens?03:05
pestilenceand how do i prevent that?03:05
jojo4upestilence: preferences -> tabs -> "when I open..."03:06
pestilencejojo4u: yea, that's not checked.03:07
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jo1bazhang: dont mind, i was trying to add via sysytem>admin>software sources but any way that is easy learn so that i can do it in the future by myself03:07
fevelcan someone please help me upgrade to gutsy?03:08
fevelI am on feisty03:08
feveland using a pavillion dv 2210us laptop03:08
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nosrednaekimfevel: do you have a problem?03:08
bazhangjo1: well in KDE it's Adept, and in GNOME it's Synaptic; which are you using?03:08
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RAdamsmy mic is not working in any application, yet I can hear myself. suggestions?03:09
jo1gnome, im using ubuntu 7.1003:09
fevelnosrednaekim,  actually no, I would like to now the procedure since it hasnt launched yet03:09
fevelbut I just cant wait03:09
jo1bazhang: gnome, im using ubuntu 7.1003:10
DemizeThanks for the help. I'll still be aroud, I have homework to do. I'm also on Windows right now, so I can't try that out yet, but I will within an hour.03:10
RAdamsfevel: Are you familiar with using dpkg?03:10
nosrednaekimfevel: oh....you want to know HOW to upgrade?03:10
fevelhow to upgrade03:10
fevelim pretty fmilliar with dpkg03:10
fevelnot a guru though03:10
RAdamsfevel: and manually repairing xorg?03:10
RAdamsBecause the beta still breaks packages and X now and then03:11
fevelRAdams, not really03:11
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fevelI have the nvidia drivers installed03:11
RAdamsjust wanted you to know what you're getting into03:11
RAdamsyes, and sometimes x still breaks, and you have to dpkg-reconfigure it03:11
bazhangjo1: then go to synaptic, and bear with me on this (I'm on KDE), but there should be a drop down menu with something like 'manage repositories'; there you choose which ones to enable/disable, and then you have get the new updates, and new upgrades (if any).03:11
fevelwill these issues happen when it launches?03:11
RAdamsnot likely03:11
RAdamsthere are bugs up until the final moment...03:11
fevelthen I guess ill wait a couple of days03:12
RAdamsthen they MAGICALLY DISAPPEAR!03:12
fevelsince this laptop is really important03:12
nosrednaekimwe wish03:12
fevelthanks for the advice03:12
RAdamsanyway, any idea on my sound? I can't even think of where to test this issue03:12
RAdams"my mic is not working in any application, yet I can hear myself. suggestions?"03:12
pestilenceRAdams: what's wrong with your sound03:12
nosrednaekimjo1: the repository config is in settings->repositories03:13
crimsunRAdams: download http://trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh and run it03:13
jo1bazhang: settings>repositories takes me to software sources same as from the system>admin menu which i found but i dont know how to add more. the basic partner and source code repos are there but when I click to add more it asks for complete APT line?03:14
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nosrednaekimjo1: ah... and waht repository do you want to add?03:14
jo1nosrednaekim: thanks i found it, dont know how to add more to it?03:14
jo1nosrednaekim: universe and multiverse? basically i want to have everything available from synaptic03:15
bazhangjo1: not sure about that one, my apologies.03:15
nosrednaekimjo1: they are all enabled b default.03:15
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Dr_willisthen ya got the 'other' repos like Seveas  and Mediabuntu and perhaps some others.. :)03:16
crimsunRAdam2: download http://trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh and run it03:16
jo1nosrednaekim: oh are there any others that are useful to add?03:17
nosrednaekimnot really....03:17
nosrednaekimexcpet for very speciallized things.03:17
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jo1nosrednaekim: ok great. how does automatix run with gutsy?03:18
RAdamscrimsun: http://pastebin.ca/73249003:18
Dr_willisI see no need for automatix with gutsy.03:18
nosrednaekimjo1: don't... use.... it03:18
RAdamsthats a slick script btw03:18
Dr_willisI see no need for automatix with feisty, or any of the others either.. :)03:18
RAdamsautomatix is horrid03:18
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ubotujo1: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)03:18
Dr_williseach ubuntu release makes automatix more and more useless then it was befor. :)03:19
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crimsunRAdams: looks at lines 257-25803:19
crimsunlook, even03:19
aLeSDhi all03:19
jo1oh ok, i am newly transitioning from windows to linux and want to set up the system so i can do everything as before, read it online as a good option? if not is there a better way of doing it?03:20
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RAdamshow do i fix that?03:20
aLeSDok triend another time : compiz take me too much memory03:20
aLeSDI mena during the time it takes always more memory03:20
crimsunRAdams: use the volume control.03:20
nosrednaekimjo1: read what?03:20
aLeSDand I can't recognize it by top03:20
aLeSDI mean I can't see the process that occupates the memory by top03:21
RAdamscrimsun: ty sir :)03:21
jo1nosrednaekim: some article - http://www.pcmech.com/article/windows-to-ubuntu-transition-guide/3/03:21
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aLeSDbut if I change to metacity : more than 20% of my memory is freeded03:21
aLeSDso ?03:21
aLeSDwho have the expirience to tell me who is tacking it ?03:21
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nosrednaekimaLeSD: there must be a gnome task manager03:22
macogwaLeSD: xorg has the memory most likely03:22
RoC_MasterMindWhat is the difference between like deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-updates and deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty?03:22
nosrednaekimjo1: ah...well, this is gutsy, so alot of guides are going to be outadted.03:22
aLeSDnosrednaekim: I peomise I can't see it by top runned in a root session03:22
aLeSDI promise03:22
nosrednaekimaLeSD: I believe you ;) are you on kubuntu or Ubuntu?03:23
aLeSDI mean I sort by memory and 15% is for evolution03:23
aLeSDI'm using nvidia driver03:23
aLeSDmaybe the memory used by the graphic card ... I mean the shared memory03:23
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jo1ok so can i get some advice to install all the bits and pieces i need to make my linux capable of dealing with anything i did in Windows?03:24
nosrednaekimaLeSD: ah.... sorry I use kubuntu so I don't know what ubuntu hasby way of performance monitoring apps03:24
aLeSDI mean I can see the memory freeded by the counter of the memory in gnome monitor03:24
nosrednaekimjo1: mostly thats all done.03:24
aLeSDbut I can't see the process03:24
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aLeSDin the end I can use compiz only for a short time03:25
aLeSDbad bad bug03:25
DemizeI have a sugestion for Gusty:03:26
DemizeFor the Live CD, it should be bootable off a DVD.03:27
riotkittieuh. it is bootable off a dvd.03:27
DemizeGusty is?03:27
DemizeI tried it with Fiesty, and it didn't work.03:27
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riotkittiemaybe your burn was bad? maybe your disc was bad? maybe your drive is wonky?03:28
PiciDemize: Did you burn the cd iso to a dvd? or did you use the dvd iso?03:28
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branstromYo guys, how do I make screen go into certain directories for the different windows set up by default in screenrc?03:28
DemizeAh. I didn't know there were CD and DVD iso.03:28
DemizeI got the CD one.03:29
jo1nosrednaekim: what about audio video codecs, mp3 playback, pdf viewing and firefox plugins?03:29
riotkittiei burn the cd iso to dvds.03:29
DemizeOkay, time to switch to Ubuntu. No reason for me to be on Windows now.03:29
nosrednaekimjo1: audio-video, mp3 should be taken care of pretty much automatically, pdf and firefox as well.03:30
bazhangGutsy/Compiz-Fusion/Kubuntu issues go away with K3b and Konversation by a simple shutdown and restart of C-F, at least to this point.03:31
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nosrednaekimbazhang: for good?03:31
bazhangnosrednaekim: well for the last five minutes--does that count? :}03:32
yipeumm, has anyone noticed that in gutsy, the download page on the official ubuntu site doesn't render correctly with firefox?03:32
nosrednaekimbazhang: thats not its half-life... compiz is HIGHLY radioacive ;)03:32
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bazhangnosrednaekim: will 0.60 of c-f make it into Gutsy, or should I start installing Hardy Heron now? '}03:33
nosrednaekimbazhang: I have .6.0...or maybe that was from another repository..03:34
RAOFbazhang: 0.6.0 + fixes from git is already in gutsy.03:34
bazhangnosrednaekim: okay... :] 03:34
bdelaceygksu update-manager -c -d ?03:35
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bdelaceyI tried to do this but it gave me a Gtk-WARNING03:35
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bazhangRAOF: so any issues I have been having may have been related to the updated version, perhaps--unusable K3b, Konversation, etc.03:35
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nosrednaekimbdelacey: are you on kubuntu?03:36
bazhangRAOF: thanks for the info. Cheers!03:36
bdelaceywhhooops, no ubuntu03:36
nosrednaekimbdelacey: oh.. ok03:36
bdelaceyI had reported a bug ...03:36
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bdelaceynot wasn't recognizing the video03:36
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bdelaceySo I thought I'd try to just do another clean update.03:36
bdelaceyDoes update pick up the daily build?03:37
nosrednaekimbdelacey: no need to use the upgrade manager when you are already on gutsy.03:37
bdelaceyI never could get my gutsy install to complete - it got hung up (on an earlier build) with video03:37
nosrednaekimoh... ok03:38
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nosrednaekimyeah it goes to the newest build03:38
bdelaceyBut since the existing version of Ubuntu works fine, I thought I'd try to do an update rather than a complete reinstall - maybe the video drivers would be left hanging around :)03:38
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bdelaceySince "sudo gksu update-manager -c -d" doesn't do the upgrade for me, is there something else I can try from a 7.04 base install?03:41
ubotuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes03:42
|neon|i using kubuntu gutsy and java is installed however when i try to play yahoo games firefox freezes   about:plugins shows that java is installed and enabled any suggestios03:43
yipeumm, has anyone noticed that in gutsy, the download page on the official ubuntu site doesn't render correctly with firefox? Here's a screencap of what it looks like http://i21.tinypic.com/2luc5ex.png03:43
yipenotice the mashed together bit in the middle03:44
ximalhow is it not rendered right ?03:44
andre_bug report filing... mmm good fun03:45
ximalmine runs fine bro03:45
yipeplease view my screencap03:46
{Zeus}yipe, mine has that a little03:46
{Zeus}I think it has to do with the minimum font size03:46
yipedo you notice that where it says "Which release do you want?" and whatever it says above that are smashed together?03:47
ximalanyone mind telling me what shrink factor in k9 copy does ?03:48
ximalif anyone here uses it ?>03:48
riotkittiei notice. hm. not relevant, but what font are you using?03:49
Dr_willisnever used it. sorry.03:49
ximalyipe : try using ctrlleft+ plus - or + to change font sizes.. u may have accidentally mashed it with font size change..03:49
yiperiotkittie uhhh... should be whatever the default is03:49
ximalyipe : i find that the issue sometimes bro03:49
ximalhey kittie !03:50
yipeximal no, that just makes them get larger and smaller, still on top of each other03:50
yipeI think it might be a bug in either firefox's rendering or more likely the page itself03:51
ximali'm betting you need to reinstall firefox .. make sure you have all proper flash and java plugins.. and it might fix it..03:51
ximaltry checking your plugins..03:51
yipeeither way... it'd be nice to have that fixed03:51
yipeI've got the default gutsy install dude03:51
nosrednaekimyipe: maybe try adjusting your font sizes03:51
ximalalot of time it can be how the plugins are working to render the page's code in the proper place..03:51
ximaldefault gutsy doesn't include flash or java03:51
yipenosrednaekim tried that, no good03:51
ximaldid you install the restricted extras and plugins yet ?03:52
ximalgo to add remove and search for SWF03:52
yipeI'm sorry, I'm not thinking, yes I did install flash and sunjava03:52
ximaloh ok03:52
yipeI know how install things :P03:52
yipehow to*03:52
ximalmaybe it's the theme you're using..03:52
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yipethat's a good idea, lemme try changing that03:52
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ximalsometimes the theme changes how things work ... sounds funny.. but true03:53
ximalor even your desk settings .. like monitor ... size of screen from 1024 to 10xx by xx03:53
ximalall irrellevant until it makes things work if you know what i mean.. heh03:53
ximalwell.. i gotta go hit the restroom and dress for work.. gonna head in early to start on food prep... gotta love the grind of fast food.. especially ARBYS..03:54
yipeno dice, I changed back to human, turned off firefox, reopened it and loaded the page... still nothing, just to be sure I played with the font sizes again, nothing03:54
ximalgood luck yipe !03:54
ximalsorry m803:54
yipeI think I'm just gonna report a bug03:54
ximalit was a good thought..03:54
ximalgo for it..03:54
jo1whats the best vnc software to use between ubuntu gutsy and windows xp for remote desktop control?03:54
yipeit's not a big deal, just kind of embarrassing for us03:54
ximalgood luck m8.. on getting it fixed..03:54
ubotuVNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX03:55
AmyRosejo1: Using VNC on Windows is technically illegal03:55
ximalhow so rose ?03:55
AmyRoseximal: Windows XP's EULA specifically states that you may only use Microsoft Remote Desktop to project it.03:55
ximalso no remote admin etc etc ? lol03:56
AmyRoseximal: If you don't believe me, read the EULA03:56
AmyRoseWell, they say you can only use Microsoft software to do it.03:56
ximalhaha microshaft can blow pc parts for all i care...03:56
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jburrisyou just have to use Microsoft's RDP03:56
ximalsaying and doing amy.. two different things.. anyhow.. yall have a good night .. i'mgonna get going ;)03:56
Dr_willisjo1,  for a xp vncserver. i like 'ultravnc'03:56
AmyRoseDr_willis: Yeah, help jo1 violate XP's EULA03:57
Dr_willisits proberly against thir EULA to have linux on the same machine...03:57
AmyRoseDr_willis: No, it's not. http://www.realvnc.com/pipermail/vnc-list/2001-October/025660.html03:57
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Dr_willisFirst Rule of the EULA, no one discusses the EULA..03:58
bsniderwhy isn't linux-restricted-modules-generic being upgraded when the kernel is upgraded?03:58
{Zeus}that link says you need a microsoft license on the PC03:58
{Zeus}so if you have a dual-boot...03:58
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Dr_willisor a copy of windows 2.1 in the closet...03:59
AmyRoseThis is EXACTLY why I wanted to avoid Windows. I don't want to have to find legal loopholes just to use my computer legally.03:59
secret901gutsy was recently updated last night and now whenever I restart my alptop it's telling me that it can't detect the video card03:59
nosrednaekimbsnider: its not? did for me.04:00
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secret901does anyone know what's changed in the most recent update?04:00
bsnidernosrednaekim: you upgraded from the 2.6.22-13-generic kernel to -14-generic and the restricted package was upgraded too?04:01
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nosrednaekimbsnider: actually I upgraded from -12 to -1404:01
bsniderfine, but the package was also upgraded?04:02
secret901how do I file a bug report?04:03
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bsnidernosrednaekim: can you describe how you upgrade?04:03
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nosrednaekimI use synaptic and press the "mark all updates" button and hit apply04:04
bsnidernosrednaekim: in other words, what is the procedure you're using?04:04
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bsnideri see04:04
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secret901Gutsy keeps not recognizing my graphics card even though it's the i81004:06
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Gun_SmokeAny ideas when Gutsy will be "supported"?04:09
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RAOFGun_Smoke: After it's released, in a week or so.  And then for 18 months after that (on the desktop, at least)04:10
Gun_SmokeRAOF: week or so.. Okay thanks.04:10
Gun_SmokeI knew the rest04:10
RAOF18th is the official release date target.04:10
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Gun_SmokeGood to know..  Unfortunatly I'm don't have a machine worth leaving 6.06 :(04:12
Gun_SmokeMan I can't type tonight....04:12
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secret901does the  Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller use the i810 driver?04:13
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RAOFsecret901: It probably can, although the -intel driver is what's supported upstream.04:14
IdleOneI have a nexxteck NX2 5 button usb wireless mouse here. when I plug it in the scroll wheel and the two buttons on the left hand side work but the left and right click buttons dont work. how do I get them working? is there a driver I need to install or something?04:14
RAOFsecret901: intel is meant to replace i810 for everything.  It's only because there are some cards better supported by i810 at the moment that i810 is even in Gutsy.04:15
secret901the newest update of Gutsy keeps not recognizing my card04:15
secret901when I restart the laptop04:15
Gun_SmokeIdleOne:  It worked before?04:15
secret901RAOF: it says that Intel is experimental04:16
IdleOnefirst time trying it04:16
IdleOneGun_Smoke: ^^04:16
RAOFsecret901: Where?  That's probably a packaging bug :)04:16
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Gun_Smokegnome kde?04:17
secret901RAOF: in System->Admin->Screens and Graphics04:17
IdleOneGun_Smoke: gnome04:17
wsjuniorhow do i disable compiz fusin inside kubuntu?04:17
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wsjuniorafter installing xserver-xgl it seems it runs forever04:18
wsjuniori've already changed the session but it doesnt went away :/04:18
RAOFsecret901: Oooh, yeah.  File a bug, that's not experimental :)04:18
RAOFwsjunior: You can create a file called ~/.config/xserver-xgl/disable to stop Xgl from starting.04:18
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Dr_willistouch ~/.config/xserver-xgl/disable04:19
Dr_williswould do it?04:19
wsjuniorDr_willis: whats the content of this file?04:19
Dr_willisi dont have one. :)04:19
Dr_willishe said just MAKE one. :)04:19
Dr_willistouch would make an empty one04:20
Gun_SmokeIdleOne: Only thing that comes to mind is an article I read a while back why Linus thinks everyone should use kde instead of gnome, and a major complaint he had was changing what mouse buttons did.  Having that in mind, I would imagine your config file is confusing the two that do work for the defult right and left that should work.  I would be you would have better luck with kde.04:20
Dr_willisoh wait - i got comiz disabled now anyway heh04:20
RAOFDr_willis: Yes, although you might need to "mkdir -p ~/.config/xserver-xgl" first04:20
wsjuniorRAOF: the xserver-xgl dir doesnt exist show i create it?04:20
wsjuniorright :D04:20
Dr_willisheh heh04:21
Dr_willisi wasent sure if touch made dirs or not04:21
wsjuniorso i just need to restart the session?!04:21
Dr_willisone way to find out. :)04:21
RAOFwsjunior: Yes.  Logout, and when you log in again Xgl will not be running.04:21
Gun_SmokeIdleOne: Aside from that, I have never used anything other than a standard 2 button mouse with the occasional  scroll wheel.  Have you googled it?04:21
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wsjuniorcross fingers04:21
IdleOneGun_Smoke: kde is not an option on this machine as it just runs way to slow so I need a gnome solution. is there a config file I can look at to maybe change the config04:22
IdleOneGun_Smoke: looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto right now and going to google to see if anyone has used this mouse with ubuntu04:22
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secret901Everytime I restart my laptop, it keeps telling me that it couldn't detect my graphics card.  Is there a way to stop it from asking me?04:26
secret901even when I select the correct card, it doesn't stick.04:27
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IdleOne!info imwheel04:27
ubotuimwheel: program to support non-standard buttons on new mice. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0pre12-7 (gutsy), package size 79 kB, installed size 268 kB04:27
secret901is there a way to revert back to feisty?04:27
IdleOneare repos down?04:27
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IdleOnesecret901: only fresh install. some ppl have chaged sources.list back to fiesty and said it worked for them but I wouldnt risk it. best bet is to !backup or !clone and do a fresh install04:28
IdleOnebtw if you add a E to imwheeEl apt wont find the package :)04:30
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secret901I've been having nothing but problems with Gutsy04:30
IdleOnesecret901: it is beta04:30
secret901mainly graphics04:30
IdleOnewhat card?04:30
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secret901Intel 94504:30
secret901IdleOne: http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/Products/Inspiron_1505n04:31
secret901Beryl used to work in Feisty, but Compiz never worked04:32
jewbileeCan anyone tell me how I make a custom shell script or application?04:32
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IdleOnesecret901: sorry i really dont know how to help you04:34
IdleOnejewbilee: ask in #ubuntu someone there might be able to help04:34
secret901IdleOne: know how to get rid of the annoying "Graphic card not found" message whenever I boot up?04:34
IdleOnedoes the card work?04:35
secret901IdleOne: It seems to default to vesa04:35
IdleOneI mean do you get that message and the card is working?04:35
secret901IdleOne: and working adequately04:35
secret901IdleOne: it appears to be working, I can see the screen fine04:36
IdleOnesound slike a bug then04:36
secret901IdleOne: it didn't have that problem prior to the update last night04:37
secret901IdleOne: last night it downloaded a ton of updates04:37
IdleOnereport it on launchpad.net give as much detail as you can about the card and when the issue started04:37
Gun_Smokesecret901: Hang on.... It will all be pulling together sooner than you think.. And next time wait for the official release.. If you can't give yourself a partition for "beta" releases.04:39
secret901Gun_Smoke: I hope so04:40
Gun_Smokesecret901: From RAOF "18th is the official release date target."04:40
Gun_Smokeabout a week to go.. Keep updating and will only get better.04:40
secret901Gun_Smoke: I can update from beta to official without having to download the whole thing again right?04:41
RAOFThe release schedule in the /topic can always be consulted for details :)04:41
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Gun_Smokesecret901: YUP04:41
Gun_Smokekeep them going.. it will fix it's self as it moves along.04:41
secret901Gun_Smoke: I hope so...I'll bear with it for the time being.04:42
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secret901I can't even set it to suspend or hibernate properly04:42
CalicooWhere are internet settings saved?04:42
Gun_SmokeGood time to read man pages... do  "man bash" and learn your heart out.. I never stop with those pages...04:43
Gun_SmokeCalicoo: On the internet of course. :)04:43
MaxLogicok so got a question I can see flash like ie: Youtube video but I have no sound is there anything I have to install to get sound. I've never had this problems so I don't even know where to start but I do have sound when it comes to videos, music and what not04:43
secret901shouldn't have touched what's not broken04:43
CalicooI mean in ubuntu.04:43
secret901doesn't look like Gutsy have anything interesting anyway04:43
Gun_SmokeCalicoo:  Oh... ummm...  lemmee.. I've got a call..04:43
secret901turning on Compiz by default is a horrible idea04:44
IdleOneGun_Smoke: after editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf do I need to restart it ?04:46
Gun_SmokeIdleOne: No clue pal.. I doubt it.. Most would be log out log on..04:48
IdleOneok thanks04:48
CalicooNo one?04:49
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Gun_SmokeCalicoo: I'd ask that at #ubuntu not +1...........  There is much more traffic there.04:50
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CalicooAlright. Thanks.04:50
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jmg_hi all04:56
jmg_how do i enable compiz on my i910?04:56
secret901jmb_: isn't it enabled by default?04:58
jmg_secret901: i have plain old fashioned boring desktop04:59
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jmg_do i need to reconfigure xorg?04:59
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secret901jmg_: System -> Preferences -> Appearance05:00
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jmg_secret901: that worked thanks05:01
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chris_hey, is there some weird firewall rules enabled for wireless? All sorts of website are getting blocked on the wireless in linux, but not in windows on the same laptop on the same wireless connection.05:04
secret901jmg_: np05:04
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secret901chris_ like what site?05:04
chris_for example05:04
chris_the website true combat elite connects to to get it's server list.05:05
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roe_where is the link for bandwidth reqs for becoming a mirror05:05
chris_I could go on I suppose.05:05
secret901chris_: what sort of error do you get?05:06
secret901chris_: can you ping them?05:06
chris_it times out.05:06
chris_in konversation i get this:05:06
chris_[20:59]  [Info]  Looking for server irc.ubuntu.com:8001...05:06
chris_[20:59]  [Info]  Server found, connecting...05:06
chris_[20:59]  [Error]  Connection to Server irc.ubuntu.com lost: connection actively refused. Trying to reconnect.05:06
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secret901how about ulearn.ualberta.ca?05:06
Starcraftmazterhas anyone had issues with bluefish lagging badly?05:07
secret901chris_: can you ping them?05:07
chris_I can ping them, that's why it's weird05:07
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secret901have you tried a different browser?05:07
chris_seems to hate stuff on ports beginning with 80 because it won't let me connect to ktorrent on 8080 at home either.05:08
chris_this is in firefox and konqueror05:08
chris_and also in true combat: elite05:08
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gaminggeekanyone here know how to get a wacom tablet to work with gimp?05:09
chris_hey, is anything on the internal network start with 192? the website true combat uses resolves to
secret901chris_: actually, no05:10
chris_ok, just brainstorming.05:10
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jimmygoonAll of my videos that I playback in totem seem to be stretched - too tall-ishly05:11
secret901chris_: pretty much all of 192 are reserved05:11
jimmygoonThis happens with (all?) video filetypes05:11
jmg_emerald is too slow, can i disable it and still have compiz?05:12
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secret901jmg_: where's the emerald setting?05:12
jmg_secret901: it's running emerald05:13
jmg_secret901: if i turn off window decoration in the compiz settings i get no decorator05:13
secret901jmg_: I'm having similar problems with compiz05:14
secret901jmg_: beryl seems to work, but compiz is trouble-prone05:14
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Adlaihow can I disable xgl by default on gutsy?05:14
jimmygoonsurely there isn't xgl by default?05:15
AdlaiI don't want effects, but since I have a newer radeon, it's starting xgl05:15
jimmygoondoes selecting "none" under effects on the appearance pane do it?05:15
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Adlaiwell, it turns off compiz05:16
Adlaibut doesn't switch back to X05:16
Adlaiand restarting with this new setting changes nothing05:16
Adlaiactually, it may be because I installed xgl manually a while ago05:16
Adlaithis is my "testing" box05:16
Adlailet's see if uninstalling that helps05:16
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vmlinuz`how to install identd and enable it. it's already forwarded in my router the port 113. anything else i have to do?05:19
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TehUniis gutsy on schedule for it's RC tomorrow ?05:19
TehUnivmlinuz`: sudo apt-get install ident205:19
vmlinuz`TehUni: thanks05:19
jmg_anyone know how to change the decorator away from emerald?05:21
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vmlinuz`* Not starting internet superserver: no services enabled.05:23
vmlinuz`do i need to enable it from somewhere?05:23
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wimshave they released an iso of the beta or do we have to upgrade through feisty ?05:24
vmlinuz`wims: both can work05:24
vmlinuz`i upgraded to gutsy from feisty05:24
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jaebirdany empathy users here?05:25
wimsyeah, but my gutsy install is a mess05:25
wimsi just want to clear it out and start from scratch05:25
IdleOneok now I got a new error. need to kill bonobo-activation-server and restart nautilus05:25
wimsbut i cant find an .iso of gutsy05:25
jaebirdwims: gutsy beta05:25
IdleOnewims: www.ubuntu.com has it05:26
wimsits a dvd now05:26
jaebirdok, so empathy (jabber client) is not connecting now after the gutsy update today05:26
vmlinuz`TehUni: I installed ident2 .. but still05:27
jaebirdwas working grand yesterday and before05:27
IdleOnehow do I restart nautilus?05:27
jaebirdthere are a boatload of dependencies for it...so any one of them could have honked it i suppose05:27
TehUnivmlinuz`: ...?05:27
DanaGonefish twofish redfish bluefish.05:28
vmlinuz`TehUni: do i need to switch the service on from somewhere? because it's still not working05:28
TehUnivmlinuz`: you'll need to run "sudo ident2" to start it05:28
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vmlinuz`and I did TehUni. still not working :/05:29
IdleOneident should not need sudo privs to run05:30
IdleOnebut maybe it does05:30
TehUnierror: binding to port 113: bind(): Permission denied05:30
TehUniso i run it w/ sudo05:30
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vmlinuz`how to stop the service?05:31
IdleOneI need a reboot05:31
wimswow there's full ntfs write support now05:31
wimsthat rocks05:31
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gnomefreakguess it doesnt :(05:34
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DanaGGaah, I hate that double blink on idle, especially when it happens when I'm not really idle.05:43
DanaGFor example, try using SSH with X.  You'll find that you'll seem to be idle.05:43
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branstromDouble blink?05:49
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DanaGYeah, it blinks off twice during the "fade".05:51
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branstromOkay, let me be more specific: blinks? What blinks?05:55
DanaGThe LCD backlight.05:55
DanaGbug 12183305:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12183305:56
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branstromAh. Can that be seen with a CRT too? I think I've experienced something similar... but it's probably some but with the nvidia driver or whatever.05:57
naught101anyone here know much about cpu scaling governors?05:57
branstromLike, the screensaver, when it starts fading05:57
naught101I have some in my /etc/modules, cpufreq_powersave, etc, but I want to install the userspace one too. I've read a number of things on the net, some say it's cpufreq-userspace, some say it's cpufreq_userspace...05:59
naught101which is it?05:59
naught101and does the same rule apply to all the others as well?05:59
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DanaGOh yeah, underscore and dash are interchangeable.06:04
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DanaGSometimes tab-complete will give one, and sometimes it will give the other.06:04
TQuidAh, someone else with a borked gdm?06:04
TQuidMine is griping that no server is defined in its config file--did a sudo aptitude reinstall gdm after nuking /etc/gdm and no joy.06:05
TQuidAnd the server damned well IS defined in there.06:05
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naught101DanaG: for all modules?06:06
TQuidOh, wait,t hat's history from aeons ago.06:06
TQuidSo, yeah, gdm is griping; I don't see a bug about it.06:06
TQuidAnyone else seen this?06:06
TQuidOh, and gdmsetup segfaults.06:06
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Nukedanyone know how to prevent xgl from starting up aside from uninstalling it06:08
TQuidI think that'll be in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, Nuked.06:11
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TQuidLooks like gdm-custom.conf became gdm.conf-custom06:17
Nukeda message popped up when I had installed xgl.. in my zeal to get it to work... I never took down what was in the message06:17
hydrogenxgl is mostly unnecessary at this point06:18
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Nukedhydrogen: I was told that it is for ati cards06:18
NukedTQuid: I see no xgl entry in my xorg.conf06:18
hydrogenNuked: depends on the drivers I think06:18
TQuidAnd clicking "configure x server" segfaults it too.06:19
hydrogenbut check /usr/bin/startx06:19
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hydrogenfor defaultserver06:19
Nukedhydrogen: any way that I can get it to stop starting?06:19
NukedJordan_U: I HATE fglrx06:19
Nukedbut the driver has made progress06:19
hydrogenNuked: I havn't used it in a long time.. check /usr/bin/startx for the defaultserver entry however06:20
TQuidbloody hell, why is gdm so fucked?06:20
Dr_willishavent noticed...06:20
Jordan_UNuked, And the next version will have AIGLX! ... Finally06:20
Dr_willismore update and breakage eh?06:20
NukedJordan_U: I can hardly wait.. xgl seems to disable direct rendering on my card somehow06:21
Jordan_UNuked, Not quite it's just an unbelievably stupid hack :)06:22
Jordan_UNuked, Xgl is a fullscreen application running on top of regular X06:22
Jordan_UNuked, I first found this out when it was new and even less stable, because one day it started out in a window. That was a real WTF moment :)06:23
Jordan_UNuked, So it is not possible to have direct rendering on top of XGL06:23
macogwbased on TQuid's question i must ask06:29
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macogwhas anyone else had lately where they log in to GDM and then wait...and wait....and wait...and wait...and GNOME never actually loads?06:30
macogwor GNOME loads...kind of....just the background and panel (with no applets, icons or menus)06:30
linoleumdo you know how can I activate dmix in gusty , because it seem dmix is not enable by default in gusty : if I run Jackd and try to play music after that, there is no sound06:30
mzuverinkmacogw, you have to kill bonobo-activation-server then log back in06:31
macogwwhat's bonobo?06:31
macogwand if you can't alt+f2 or open an xterm because gnome doesn't finish loading and you cant use the tty's because framebuffer is broken...how do you do that?06:32
macogwi restarted X with ctrl+alt+backspace over and over til it just stopped and wouldnt restart (if it took that many tries) then rebooted if it got to that point and was still not working, then tried some more06:32
macogweventually, i'd get lucky and it'd work06:33
mzuverinkmacogw, its a known bug, so you know that it only happens if you login then logout.  before you log back in, go to a term, log in and kill the process, simple really06:35
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macogwit happens when i first log in after boot06:38
macogwand once ive logged out, where am i to find a term? framebuffer's yet to be fixed06:38
macogwwho do i blame for the new ability to grab things from firefox and drop them on the desktop to "download" them like on osx? is that gran paradiso or is that gutsy?06:38
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sidI just wrote 3 documents in oo.o, saved them etc. but they're gone now06:41
sidand the backup files are 0 bytes06:42
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Dr_willisgrab what things? URL Links?06:45
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bintuthello all..06:53
bintuti just installed ubuntu gutsy amd64 on my laptop06:54
bintuti just found out that the interface names are named as eth2 and eth3.. is there a way to change it permanently maybe eth0 for the wired and wlan0 for the wifi?06:54
naught101has anyone using intel video drivers noticed some seriously fucked up shit when shutting down and/or hibernating? (I think it's when the screen turns off)06:55
stdinbintut: /etc/iftab is the way06:56
bintutstdin: i'll check on that file.. thanks..06:56
stdinnaught101: you do know the language rules, don't you?06:56
naught101like the screen filling up with broken console spaces06:56
bintutstdin: i don't have that file.. :(06:56
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naught101stdin: no, I didn't. I can guess one of them now though.06:56
bintutstdin: normally, i change it inside the /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistent-net*06:57
stdinbintut: I guess you can make it, it goes like "eth0 mac THE:MAC:ADDRESS:HERE arp 1" change "THE:MAC:ADDRESS:HERE" to the MAC address of the interface06:58
bintutstdin: ok06:58
bintutstdin: but, do you know how the ubuntu gutsy named it as eth2 and eth3?06:58
bintutinstead of eth0 and eth1 or wlan0 respectively?06:59
stdinno idea, my interfaces were the same in feisty06:59
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Davy_Joneswhen 7.1 is released, what will happen to ubuntustudio?07:00
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Davy_Joneswill it have the upgrades too?07:01
mahrellonMorning everyone07:01
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mahrellonDo you guys know if it's safe to install the latest updates for GG (with xorg updates and all) or is anything broken?07:02
mzuverinkwhy wont it sound preview even though I have it set to do so and have installed mpg123?07:02
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dystopianrayis kopete still broken?07:04
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friend2GNUI haven't had a chance to try kubuntu gutsy, but is compiz layed out in kubuntu like in ubuntu07:06
dystopianraykubuntu will not have compiz by default, if that's what you mean07:07
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friend2GNUthanks you answered my question =)07:07
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jewbileemy friend just installed ubuntu on an external HDD and now when he went to reboot to into Ubuntu, he gets a grub error 21.  He has a RAID setup with vista as his main OS but now he cant even boot into that07:30
jewbileecan anyone help?07:30
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DanaGArgh, Amarok freezes sometimes when I hit play or pause.07:30
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hydrogenso don't hit play or pause, make up your mind so it can make up its07:37
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DanaGWell, how can I play music if I don't start it?07:45
DanaGeeh, your answer was a joke, right?07:45
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ryan8403I hope someone might be able to help. I need to use vpnc to connect to a cisco vpn server, but its not connecting to the server. I get an error message, unable to bind to
ryan8403netstat -a doesn't show anything waiting for a connection though07:58
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macogwwho says granparadiso's bonus is less mem leakage? top:08:02
macogw  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND08:02
macogw 8747 maco      25   0  374m 180m  37m R   97 18.0  51:03.58 firefox-3.008:02
macogwwell i guess that's more cpu hogging than mem leakage08:03
macogwbut 180MB of mem is certainly too much08:03
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oemany one ehre08:11
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oemwow soem oens here08:15
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oemsay have you enterd into the oem portion of the disk at all?08:16
oemHi Pici08:16
oemits me lee08:16
DanaGWTF?  gnome-user-share shares my whole home dir, not just ~/Public.08:17
oemIam confused and not sure waht to do atm08:17
oemwhen you give soem access via the acess my pc you give them full access to everything even in windows, taht is how del trouble shots everyhting08:18
oemeh can some give me some adive on waht to do with  the button called...preare for shippining to end user?08:20
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oemhi eMaX08:20
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sleepynateoem: don't click that one. it starts a war with china08:21
oememax, iam in oem mode and not sure waht to do08:21
oemoh lol08:21
Hobbseeoh dear, you are on gutsy.08:21
oemno i cant go there either lol08:21
sleepynatecould wreck the whole economy. that would be awful, no?08:21
oemthesaid cause i am gusty I go here lol08:21
oemhere's the story08:21
Hobbseeyes, but you clearly shouldnt be on gutsy, if you dont know what you're doing.08:22
oemI was bard 3 days ago and decided to hunt and kinda see waht linux was all about, seeign that dell is starting to load it on tp there systems now, so I found ubuntu because it was displayed all nice and neat on the web sight at dell08:23
oemSo I googled it, and said wow a beta..I love betas cause there all fun and you'll never know waht you will find08:23
oemso, I burnd the beta to disk and low and behold waht should come up.....a tasty delight full scrambled screen so I restatred and changed it to a different res and then hit OEM....I love oems..there fun..but..I go more then waht I bargaind for08:24
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oemI did not realise taht I became a distrubieter lol08:25
oemeh so, was this a mistake that Ubuntu made? or are they wanting everyone to test this thing08:26
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oemeh I don't have fiesty fawn...this was the only oem that burnd right after all 8 attempts of buring a cd rom08:27
frostburnburn slower cds08:28
oemThats how i wound up with this one08:28
oemwell, I am going to poke taht button and see waht happens08:28
oemwhats the worse taht can happen08:29
gnomefreakscreen res issue using desktop cd i suggest you eith burn feisty or if you are that hell bent for a broken system download and burn the alternative cd. this si normally some weird hardware that the installer can find info on it08:29
frostburnyou accidentally write 1's to your bios08:29
oemany how, ok ia may be new but I don't go messign with my bios lol08:30
oemI don't even falsh the thing08:30
frostburnyou asked what's the worst08:30
oemoh lol08:30
frostburni don't even know how to do that on purpose08:30
oemwell I heard horor storeis of bios flashing stories08:31
oemand seen a few08:31
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oemhmm fine print says I have limmitted abillites as an oem user08:32
oemok buggy report time lol08:32
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oemholy cow it comes with power histry08:33
frostburnwhat's that?08:33
oemno idea some kind of thing taht does a power search08:34
oemhmm it disapeared08:34
oemits also saying something aobut editing  the sign in screen08:36
oemits like its on steroids08:36
oemwell I need to restart lol08:36
wabiDis the website down?08:36
macogwoem: OEM mode means a normal installation but without the first user's username and password set yet.  just do a regular install08:36
oemok going to do taht08:37
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macogwpower history shows what charge level you're battery's been at over time08:37
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Gabz^laptopcan you install gusty kubuntu without using the cd ?08:39
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frostburnyes add $update-manager -d08:40
Gabz^laptopnah i need to do it to a clean hard drive08:40
Gabz^laptopmy laptop doesn't like booting off burnt cd for some reason08:41
Gabz^laptopit booted madrivia which came with the linux magazine but not kubuntu 7.10 beta08:41
frostburnyou can do a network boot if your mobo supports it08:42
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Gabz^laptopyeah it supports PXE network boots08:43
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murlidharif i upgrade to gutsy then can i again install the whole gutsy after releasing ? is it better to upgrage using alternate cd (offline installation)08:50
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Seeker`murlidhar: (current gutsy) + (all updates to gutsy before release) = (release gutsy)08:51
murlidharSeeker`: so do i install it using alternate cd?08:52
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macogwyou can just upgrade to it08:52
macogwgksu "update-manager -d"08:52
macogwif you dont have feisty running already though, then yes, use a gutsy beta cd08:53
murlidhari do not have a stable internet connection i think it is better to install using alternate cd since i have feisty already installed08:54
murlidharwhat do u guys recommend?08:54
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macogwif you're afraid your internets will *poof* mid-upgrade, burn an alternate cd and add that as your only repository, then upgrade from it08:55
Caelumanyone know how to debug a freeze on boot with "Loading please wait..." I don't see anything useful in the logs08:56
murlidharmacogw: thnks i will do that right on just a question after adding it as repository what should i do?08:56
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macogwmurlidhar: same thing: gksu "update-manager -d"08:57
macogwmake it the first repo in the list08:57
macogwso itll be the one it defaults to08:57
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macogwor disable the network repos first08:57
lee__eh ok i am back if any one is here08:57
murlidharmacogw: won't it then go to the internet then ?08:57
hit<macogw> gksu "update-manager -d"       why gksu? why not just "update-manager -d"?08:58
murlidharapt-get dist-upgrade is somebody said08:58
lee__ok I was brave and poked that button08:58
macogwhit: it has a gui08:58
macogwif you leave them enabled itll grab from the repos if there's a newer version on repos than on cd but from cd if it matches the rep08:58
macogwupdate-manager -d runs the regular update manager with a button to upgrade to the development version. it does more checks on what repos are disabled.  i suppose if you know you've disabled all network repos it doesnt matter though08:59
lee__eh in case your wondering it is me the one taht was called OEM08:59
hitmacogw: update-manager -d also shows a gui08:59
macogwjust cant have 3rd party repos enabled during upgrades08:59
mzuverinkanyone else getting a redirect error at ubuntu.com?08:59
macogwhit: yes.  because update-manager -d has a gui, you use gksu09:00
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jmg_macogw: you wrote -d didnt you?09:00
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hiti still don't get it, both are showing gui09:01
murlidhardo i have to completely upgrade the feisty before moving out to gutsy09:01
jmg_thanks for your contribution to ubuntu :)09:01
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macogwjmg_: wait what?09:01
hitah gksu displays a warning tho      warning: could not initiate dbus09:01
macogwjmg_: not the code for it. i thought you meant in-channel09:01
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jmgmacogw: oh09:01
jmgmacogw: sorry i thought you implemented the feature09:01
macogwhit: you're not supposed to use plain sudo on gui apps because it does something different than gksu does.  gksu has some special error checking magic09:02
macogwjmg: oh no no09:02
macogwi dont code well enough :P09:02
jmg:p okay09:02
jmgyou should learn python :) its fun09:02
hitmacogw: ok, thanks09:02
jmggksu makes sure you dont badly chown stuff09:03
lee__so has any here encountered the OEM thing on there disks?09:03
frostburnafaik gksu is just a graphical frontend09:03
jmglee__: huh?09:03
macogwjmg: i know some, but we have so much java, c, c++, and xul in school that i have little time for other languages09:03
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lee__eh i signed in as an oem about 5 minuts ago09:03
jmgmacogw: ah - xul - cool, you will be able to write mozilla plugins09:03
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lee__its was the only thing that would run09:03
macogwlee__: it makes it so there's just the stuff installed and no user accounts set up yet.  if you do a normal install, itll be identical except that it asks what username and password you want during installation09:04
macogwjmg: that was the first assignment in my dev of oss class09:04
jmgmacogw: oh wow an oss course? thats nice09:04
lee__i did the install...and eh you only get a partial install09:04
macogwfrostburn: someone on #ubuntuforums said it does some extra checks / protects you from yourself a bit09:04
lee__eh at least thats what the message said lol09:04
macogwlee__: thats not right then.  you got a bad disk if oem's all that would work09:05
macogwand if it didnt even finish that09:05
lee__it comleted everything09:05
lee__i even have something called09:05
lee__show search entry09:05
lee__systems stable09:06
lee__all8 are working09:06
macogwjmg: the prof is the head dev for camino (ff that fits with mac's aqua) so thats why we do xul and c++.  i have to write a ff component in c++ for monday.  that's tomorrow evening's task to start hammering out09:06
lee__and the partial containd over 4,000 files erg09:07
lee__I am guessing that it was the message thatwas off lol09:07
lee__its fast that is for sure09:07
jmgmacogw: what university?09:07
macogwjmg: george washington09:08
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lee__well its faster then what fiesty was09:09
lee__i am able to dl at 55kb09:10
lee__eh 555kb where i was only dl 45-10009:10
macogwdl isnt anything to do with distro, AFAIK09:10
macogwthats your ISP09:10
lee__eh i have commycast09:11
frostburnit is if you're running windows, they limit the max number of tcp connections09:11
lee__but somethings not right i an supose to have 8mps09:11
hitanyone knows why gksu "update-manager -d" produces a 'warning: could not initate dbus'?09:11
skinnypuppy34ftp is generally faster than http on most isp's09:12
lee__eh i got that to09:12
lee__what is debus?09:12
macogwhit: because gksu always does that09:13
lee__windows or ubuntu09:13
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hitso it's kind of 'freature' to display that warning? :p09:13
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avatar_Anyone here who has experience with landscape? http://www.canonical.com/landscape09:14
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macogwhit: there's probably some dbus binding available that's not in use09:15
lee__well i just tried to update and it said system fully updated09:17
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lee__hmm that search tool..searches for both commands used as well as searhing for folders and files09:19
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m1rwhy install wants to go online in alternate cd at 85% configuring tomboy ?09:20
lee__well i found a link..or a book marked page and it said it couldnt redirect lol09:22
m1rfinally it continued , after checking all sources.list, too about 1h09:22
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Starcraftmazterhey guys09:28
Starcraftmazterwhich plugin in compiz does transparency09:28
Starcraftmazterand how do you use it?09:28
StarcraftmazterI kind of need it atm09:28
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ddt_7th i upgrade my system to gutsy,but there is a problem09:30
nanonymeStarcraftmazter, you need eye candy? now that's an interesting concept ;)09:30
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ddt_7thi click quit,and it's very slow to show the shutdown,restart,logoff dialog box09:30
MrSteinis there no beta cd ? just dvd ?09:30
sbucatinohi i have this problem : gutsy tribe 3 extra keys work; gutsy tribe 5 exstra keys don t want work :(09:30
nanonymethen again, i've visioned embedding a terminal to my desktop background so i guess i shouldn't say anything...09:30
lee__i have a beta cd that i burned 3 days ago09:31
Starcraftmazternanonyme: yes I have to copy a large amount of stuff between two screens09:31
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nanonymelee__, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/ which of these did you download?09:32
lee__yeah i got that , an more then i bargaind for as i have an oem option09:32
sbucatinofor who want know i have solved a problem with alc861 vd with pached driver (realtek) based on alsa driver 1.0.15rc309:33
nanonymei mean, those are dvd images09:33
AnRkeycan some1 help me with what looks like a bug in the intel graphics drivers >> http://www.tiehab.com/problem.png09:33
lee__Iam not joking on taht on one nanonyme09:33
nanonymewhich MD5SUMS.gpg <309:33
lee__eh don't know just a sec09:33
nanonymethat's the way things should be done09:34
nanonymes/which //09:34
sbucatinonoone knows about exstra keys problem ?09:34
lee__naonyme that isn't even close to what i downloaded....I burned an actaul cd not dvd09:35
nanonymei guess what you downloaded isn't available anymore?09:36
=== MrStein thinks the gutsy release process is screwed up
lee__I burned it from Ubuntu while searching I came across the link by accident09:36
=== nanonyme thinks gutsy has more serious problems than with release process
nanonymebut that's another issue09:37
lee__you can say that again, I got around the mess my 1 cahngignt he graphics taht corrected the messy screen and crashes and then 2 I just went straight for the OEM mode09:37
lee__eh are there version s of gutst?09:38
lee__eh gutsy09:38
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nanonymeversions as in what?09:38
natsumehow to fix this all things09:38
lee__as ones with OEM ones with out OEm ones tah you up grade from fiesty, stuff like that09:39
nanonymeheh, you don't need a cd to upgrade from feisty09:39
lee__and is so then how do we tell waht version we got?09:39
nanonymejust wait till 18th till it's released and it should be trivial to just tell your system to update09:39
lee__eh oh, eh I kinda wiped out fiesty then used the cd09:39
lee__Hopefully they give the propper ati drivers erg09:41
lee__Ihad to load the ones that I have to keep form my sceeen looking like an hour galss09:41
lee__erg I must be itred lol09:41
lee__can't type09:41
nanonymewell, afaik the good ATI drivers will get to hardy09:42
lee__eh i am curently running the ones that i got from ati its self.. i really don't need eye kandy lol09:42
nanonymelee__, gutsy will have eye candy on by default09:44
nanonymethe lead developers chose popularity over stability09:44
lee__well i knoticed that but i killed weeble woble by using my ati drivers lol09:44
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lee__eh the ones from atui09:45
nanonymeas the announcement quite clearly said09:45
lee__only because my monitor  had an hour glass shape to it09:45
nanonymethen again, gutsy final is supposed to have some failsafe x09:45
nanonymethat you can use to turn compiz off09:45
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lee__oh coolio09:46
Jordan_Unanonyme, Bulletproof X does more than that09:46
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AnRkeycan some1 take a look and this and help me out http://www.tiehab.com/problem.png09:46
nanonyme"This specification describes a new failsafe mode that will be used if X fails to start up. It will be in a reduced (VESA 800x600/256 or VGA 640x480/16) graphics environment running a single application (displayconfig-gtk) for configuring the graphics devices."09:46
lee__eh is that what i did then? turnd off the compiz? it now saying that tere is no cmposite availiasble09:46
Jordan_Unanonyme, You can basically butcher your xorg.conf any way you want and X will still start ( with a program to reconfigure your xorg.conf if it's screwed up )09:47
lee__thats nice lol09:47
Jordan_UAnRkey, Does that only happen in Gutsy?09:47
nanonymeJordan_U, so it's mostly an always-working replacement for apt-get text mode reconfigure09:48
lee__i think that came in an up date09:48
nanonymegraphical one, that is09:48
Jordan_Ulee__, fglrx doesn't work with AIGLX09:48
lee__well i am not gong to go buthchering it lol09:48
nanonymethe new driver will09:48
lee__i know and understand that09:48
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Jordan_Unanonyme, I know, I hacked a bit on it :)09:49
lee__i just didnt want to kill the only monitor i have atm09:49
nanonymeso waiting till hardy before putting compiz in would have been quite justified09:49
awalton__dear goodness I can't wait for the new ATi driver, so us r(s)4xx users can get out of the stone-age09:49
Jordan_Unanonyme, Then they would be in uncharted territory with an LTS version09:49
lee__what are you taking about lol, i have 16x enabled09:50
nanonymedisplay adapter chip09:50
lee__and 6x too09:50
Jordan_Unanonyme, If they hadn't done it with Gutsy they wouldn't have done it until 8.04 ( at least I doubt they would have enabled composite by default first time on an LTS )09:50
AnRkeyJordan_U, yes09:50
nanonymeJordan_U, then i guess it's just damn bad timing with releases09:51
nanonymesorry for the curse09:51
awalton__well, didn't they want to do composite by default in feisty?09:51
awalton__and deferred it due to its.. well.. lack of working-ness09:51
AnRkeyJordan_U, this is on a shiny new dell vostro 200 pc09:51
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lee__eh mines a dell dimension 515009:52
AnRkeyJordan_U, I have another pc with intel graphics behind me, trying to reproduce09:52
lee__with the x300 radeon09:52
AnRkeyJordan_U, I have another Vostro that I am going to try on too09:52
AnRkeyIt's pretty close to release date, will they be able to fix this n time?09:53
lee__pcie and pcie x1609:53
lee__I hope so09:53
lee__hmm another thing i noticed right off that bat is i have fast swich09:54
Jordan_Uawalton__, Sabdfl has wanted composite by default since Dapper :)09:54
lee__for users09:54
awalton__hah, for that matter, so did I -_-09:54
AnRkeyJordan_U, I have my doubts about it being ready for gutsy09:55
awalton__ready or not, here it comes.09:55
Jordan_UI don't think it will be "ready" until we have redirected direct rendering, but that isn't popular :)09:55
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lee__well after the crash that i had when i enabled the graphics adapter...hmm09:55
lee__enabled it and got blk screen of death09:56
lee__bsd not fun09:56
AnRkey redirected direct rendering? what the?09:56
AnRkeyJordan_U, for my display, any ideas?09:57
awalton__idk either >_<09:57
lee__hu wahtare you talking about?09:57
awalton__unless he meant AIGLX09:57
lee__eh i am running the catylyst09:57
Jordan_UAnRkey, No idea09:58
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scaporWhen will the RC be online ?09:58
scaporseems like part of the Ubuntu website is offline atm :|09:58
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avatar_scapor: i suppose today09:59
lee__eh i have messaglx09:59
lee__eh messa glx09:59
Jordan_UAnRkey, http://hoegsberg.blogspot.com/2007/08/redirected-direct-rendering.html Compiz Fusion may "beat" OS X and Vista's aero, but AIGLX does not, and won't until this is solved IMHO09:59
awalton__ah that's what you meant.09:59
AnRkeyJordan_U, thanks, i will give that  read10:00
AnRkeya read10:00
RAOFOf course, Xgl provides that already :P10:00
awalton__yeah that's why I was confused.. I'd never had that problem with Xgl10:00
Jordan_URAOF, But the point is to be able to display 3D content correctly AND at > 3 FPS :)10:00
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scaporDoesn't Xgl use more resources ?10:00
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awalton__yes, yes it does.10:00
awalton__but, it works10:01
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lee__ah heck wi that cuby looking thing it looks like you aught to bwe able to spin it to different selections lol10:01
scaporI think I'll use it on my new laptop as it has an ATI radeon card10:01
frostburnlee__, you can10:02
scaporwhich is not supported by the open source radeon driver10:02
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awalton__composite-by-default uses xgl on ati machines anyways I'm pretty sure, it setup and configured itself on my machine that way.10:02
lee__erg.. i can see some bennifits to that10:02
lee__but hen i see programing difficulties to10:03
scaporI guess it would be the same to download the daily build of the desktop CD then the RC of todays .. no ?10:03
Jordan_Uawalton__, Nope, no XGL, no Compiz for fglrx users :(10:03
awalton__sucks for them10:04
scaporinstalling xgl on a ati machine makes compiz-by-default work10:04
lee__THATS WHERE I heard of it...my freind who has vista..and he not happy with it lol...10:04
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lee__eh where can i get xgl?10:04
awalton__well, at least hardy will be much more.. hardy.. in terms of graphics10:04
RAOFJordan_U: My Xgl works on my nvidia card, and planetpenguin racer doesn't suffer much of a performance penalty.10:05
Jordan_Uawalton__, Still won't have redirected direct rendering :(10:05
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lee__actuly at fisrt load my widows were fading and such10:05
scaporlee_: install package xserver-xgl10:05
lee__ok this is only a test to see what happens10:06
scaporlee__: means you had the open source driver in use10:06
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scaporlee__: the oss driver can do compiz but is not enough to do games etc10:06
lee__yeat it was reaking havoc on mysytem..128 meg card and they cut it to 32 megs10:07
Jordan_Uscapor, Depends on the card, for some it's better than fglrx10:07
awalton__*tear* why can't C have lambda functions10:07
RAOFawalton__: Eh, it's not so bad.10:07
scaporJordan_U: but in lee's case it seems not ;)10:07
awalton__raof, it's just annoying is all.10:07
RAOFawalton__: Anonymous functions are overrated10:07
RAOFawalton__: That's certainly not the *first* thing I'd be complaining about it C :)10:08
lee__eh whats the propper command line for that lol10:08
awalton__I loves my C, I just hate building up boilerplate again and again10:08
awalton__and I'm too lazy to script it all out10:08
scaporlee__: to install the driver ?10:08
lee__eh yeah or the xgl10:08
scaporlee__: apt-get install xserver-xgl10:09
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scaporlee__: but really, it seems like you'd better first learn a bit more before trying such things maybe :)10:09
lee__13 permissions denied lol10:09
lee__eh wait i suduod it10:10
lee__to ate initiated the string10:11
lee__eh its ok..iam toying with things see what breaks an what dont10:11
lee__i got a notice...not sure if its good or bad10:12
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lee__eh can i cut and paste the notice i got?10:13
scaporIf it's not more then 2 lines10:13
scaporotherwise you should use a pastebin10:13
lee__eh ok10:14
lee__The Xgl server will now be started automatically next time you login.  It is no longer necessary to use any special X session to start Xgl,10:14
lee__ok there 2 lines10:14
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awalton__sounds good to me.10:15
awalton__log out, log back in, see if it works.10:15
lee__yeppers if you don't se mee i broke lol10:15
scaporthat's normal10:15
scaporshould work now10:15
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lee__but fisrt how do i make sure i come back here lol10:16
lee__eh ill figure it out lol10:16
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tech0007hi all10:19
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tech0007i compiled drm and openchrome xserver for my X...will I have problems upgrading to gutsy? i'm on feisty?10:20
floHi! I'm since today's update nautilus uses 100% CPU, killing it or reboot doesn't help... any suggestions ?10:20
tech0007flo...that's normal...that happens almost everyday...it should last only for a few minutes10:21
scaportech0007: how come this can be normal ?10:22
flotech0007: ok we'll see also my uptime is 30 min now...10:22
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awalton__that doesn't sound anything close to normal10:22
awalton__anything weird in your Desktop directory?10:22
tech0007scapor....when i open gnome-monitor...its gnome-update or somethin10:22
scaporThe filemanager is something a user is firstly confronted with so this is some showstopper imho10:23
flotech0007: nono, it's nautilus itself10:23
scaporflo: is it on a specific directory opening ?10:24
scaporor just on your desktop ?10:24
scapor(I had a bug with a dir full of videos that never got fixed I think)10:24
floscapor: it's at 100% from initial login10:24
awalton__could be nautilus's thumbnailer, I've seen it do screwy things and eat up a bunch of cycles before.. my immediate thing to jump to is something in your desktop directory that's causing the thumbnailer to crash or act silly.10:24
scaporit could be a problem with a faulty thumbnailer10:24
scaporflo: did you add some files to your home or desktop directory of a specific type ?10:25
awalton__try this as an experiment, move you Desktop to Desktop-backup or something and make a new desktop folder10:25
awalton__and then restart nautilus10:25
scaporlike a movie or a picture or st ?10:25
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floscapor: Wow you're the man ! I had a rather large svg file on my desktop, deleted it via cmd line, killed nautilus an dall is fine ;)10:26
tech0007i compiled drm and openchrome xserver for my X...will I have problems upgrading to gutsy? i'm on feisty.  any idea?10:26
scaporflo: you better create a bugreport for it10:26
floHowever this should not happen no matter what files you put anywhere10:26
awalton__this is true10:27
scaporif you still know where to get a copy from that svg file, send it along with the report10:27
awalton__the whole nautilus-thumbnailer code could really use a good reworking10:27
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floi will, i still have it inside a zip file10:27
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kidalabamai have got problem10:27
kidalabamawith movie player10:27
scaporflo: great! attach it to the bugreport :)10:27
Seeker`kidalabama: what problem do you have?10:27
rafael__hello. i wanted to know if i install the ubuntu gutsy the final version everything on my laptop will work... because it works very well on the ubuntu feisty10:28
kidalabamavideos viewing very black10:28
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tech0007flo...there's an option to set max size of file for thumbnail..i think it's 5mb default10:28
scaporrafael__: normally it should if there are no regressions10:28
kidalabamaSeeker`: videos viewing very black10:28
scaporrafael__: but noone can say this for sure I guess10:28
Seeker`have you checked the contrast / brightness10:28
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rafael__scapor, i just ask, because i tried the beta version before, and i have problems with sound and Internet...10:29
lee__ok Iam back lol10:29
rafael__scapor, didnt work :(10:29
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lee__its doing soething funky lol10:29
scaporrafael__: that's bad :|10:29
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lee__I have undlerlined words10:29
lee__and he double toothpics bad lettering10:30
rafael__scapor, im worried because i tried the beta and didnt work right10:30
scaporrafael__: I'm gonna try the beta right now10:30
scaporrafael__: did you report these problems ?10:30
rafael__scapor, good luck10:30
AnRkeyi am having problems on more than one box running intel graphics10:30
lee__eh evry other line in hypertext is kinda faded10:30
kidalabamaSeeker`: with totem movie player10:30
wubunt2can i download the rc even now?10:30
rafael__scapor, i dont think its necessary, i will wait the final version, possible they fixed it already10:31
scaporwubunt2: not yet10:31
scaporrafael__: or not if they didn't know about it :|10:31
scaporrafael__: let's hope for the best ;)10:31
lee__Me I am jsut toying with things10:31
tech0007i compiled drm and openchrome xserver for my X...will I have problems upgrading to gutsy? i'm on feisty.  any idea?10:31
Seeker`kidalabama: preferences->display10:31
rafael__scapor, i couldnt report on my gutsy since i didnt have internet. but i will if i find some next time10:31
lee__ok now for the tset10:31
rafael__scapor, i hope so10:31
Seeker`kidalabama: then change the brightness / contrast, see if it makes a difference10:31
kidalabamaSeeker`:  very thank you10:31
lee__ati catlyst has been dissabled10:32
kidalabamaSeeker`:  yes now very good10:32
wubunt2thanx - i'm trying to get it later. when?10:32
hazelkidwhy no ati catlyst?10:32
Seeker`kidalabama: cool :)10:32
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kidalabamaSeeker`:  what is deinterlace ?10:32
scaporkidalabama: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinterlacing10:33
lee__I treid to cahnge form the screen and got a bulgy looking thingy10:33
scaporlee__: you seem like .. impressed or something ?10:33
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about deinterlace - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi10:33
scaporlee__: not really ;)10:33
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awalton__haha, that's a cool bot.10:33
lee__lol well I toying around lol iam surpiresd10:33
lee__last tiem i got black screen of death10:34
lee__this time i didnt10:34
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lee__ok I got it into 1024by 6810:35
kidalabamaSeeker`: very thank yo10:35
lee__eh make taht 768\10:35
lee__its really slow to respond though10:36
lee__hmm i need 85 mhz10:37
lee__ok going for death now10:37
lee__going to enable the ati drivers10:38
lee__death or nt i hitting the hay lol10:38
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chxso, today is RC :) ?10:39
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scaporit's today but not yet there10:40
tech0007i compiled drm and openchrome xserver for my X...will I have problems upgrading to gutsy? i'm on feisty.. any idea?10:40
scaporI'm right now installing the daily of yesterday as I couldn't wait :p10:40
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Seeker`what needs to be done before it is RC?10:41
scaporuploading it I guess ;)10:41
Seeker`fair enough10:41
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chxI think i will get, well, gutsy and install it on my laptop :)10:42
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avatar_RC is already uploaded10:43
avatar_it has just to appear in the rigth place :)10:43
Seeker`how many people here are actually involved in the release etc?10:45
MikeDXcant wait to try it10:45
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Seeker`i suspect everyone running gutsy already has the RC from updates this morning10:45
chxavatar_: so if i aptitude dist-upgrade now i will get an RC?10:45
jmgchx: yes10:46
avatar_RC iso's were generated yesterday10:46
avatar_so if you apt-get update today you are more current than RC :)10:47
TheInfinityhas somebody an idea why intel hda does not work here?10:47
Seeker`TheInfinity: I had a problem with that - was missing a package (can't remember which one though)10:47
macogware the RC .iso's out yet?10:49
tech0007what's RC?10:50
awalton__release candidate10:50
Eq|workrelease candidate10:50
awalton__Eq|work jynx10:50
Eq|workTheInfinity : what sound chipset? (intel hda has a number of different ones)10:50
Eq|workawalton__ : pfft :P10:50
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tech0007so its not beta anymore?10:51
Eq|work<avatar_> RC iso's were generated yesterday10:51
Eq|workthat would tend to imply not10:51
Seeker`TheInfinity: what do you get if you do "lsmod | grep snd"10:51
MikeDXwell, i suppose technically an rc is a beta10:51
TheInfinityEq|work: the one in mbp rev310:51
MikeDXsince its for people to find the last bugs before it goes final10:52
MikeDXrc1 is almost never the final10:52
tech0007yeah,..i thought it's not due til 17th?10:52
ratpoisonbut it's pretty close, unless something drastic happens10:52
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macogwEq|work: well how long after the iso is made does it take for them to put online10:54
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macogwso does this mean framebuffer won't be working at time of release?10:55
macogwtech0007: there's nothing going on on the 17th.  today (the 11th) is marked as RC Day in the schedule10:56
MikeDXoooh does gutsy have the x-server framebuffer project?10:57
macogwi dont know but the framebuffer modules are not loaded in initrd so there's no working framebuffer, just blank tty10:58
tech0007macogw...thanks for the info10:59
awalton__..that sounds pretty seriously messed.10:59
macogw its an easy fix too10:59
macogwjust hasn't been applied10:59
macogwi think it's along the lines of 1 or 2 lines in an initramfs or initrd config file10:59
awalton__maybe it's just an oversight?10:59
macogwthere's a bug filed on it11:00
tech0007macogw...i compiled drm and openchrome xserver...will i have problems upgrading to gutsy...i'm thinking it will overwrite the binaries for my xserver.11:00
macogwit shows how to turn framebuffer back on11:00
macogwyours should be in /usr/local11:00
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awalton__well hopefully it should be fixed11:00
macogwgutsy's would go in /usr/11:00
macogwas of today it's not11:00
awalton__when does the RC officially ship today?11:01
macogwas soon as it does though i'm grabbing the torrent and downloading it so i can seed11:01
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macogwoh this apt-get upgrade is going to take all night11:02
macogwits measuring download speed in bytes again :(11:02
macogwmaybe i should go wired :-/11:03
macogwive seen the fiber optics here get like 50k/s before though too11:03
awalton__only 50k/s?11:03
macogwand with wired i run the risk of disconnecting if the download speed is too high (sky2 module dies)11:03
awalton__wow, where are you?11:03
macogwsometimes id get 1500k/s11:04
macogwand sometimes id get 50k/s11:04
macogwwashington, dc11:04
macogwat the most expensive school in the country11:04
tech0007can i request for a CD? i did it for feisty? O:-)11:04
macogw3 blocks from the IMF and 5 blocks from the White House11:04
awalton__maybe they just have some weird throttling rules in place?11:04
awalton__tech0007 shipit.ubuntu.com they won't send you an RC, but you can get the release gutsy when it's ready.11:05
macogwthey monitor your bandwidth usage, but you have to use like 250GB of bandwidth before they do anything11:05
macogwthere's a known bug on my wired driver where it just dies if you have high throughput11:05
macogwtech0007: shipit takes about a month to 6 wks11:05
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tech0007i got feisty after a week..i'm requesting one right now..it says they will send me once its released11:07
tech0007what do i need to install 64-bit ed? 64-bit cpu? board?11:08
awalton__if you have an AMD64-compatible processor you can install the 64-bit version11:08
pvandewyngaerdethen you wont have easy flash11:08
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sbucatinomacogw: mm i am in italy and mmm 4000ks :D always11:09
macogwpvandewyngaerde: there's a wrapper to make flash work with 64bit firefox11:09
sbucatinomacogw: mm i am in italy and mmm 4000k/s :D always11:09
pvandewyngaerdei know, but i use gnash11:09
macogwsbucatino: yeah interwebs in the us are overpricedly slow as compared to parts of europe and asia11:10
macogwpvandewyngaerde: is that 32bit only? if so, that's silly since it's FOSS11:10
sbucatinomacogw: wifi or what?11:11
macogwsbucatino: it's $20 a month for *dialup* and like $60 i think for cable internet which is usually like...idk 600kb/s?11:12
macogwim using wireless right now, yes, but that's because there isn't a good linux driver for wired11:12
macogwi can't stay connected with a wired connection if i'm downloading anything.  i have to use wireless to download11:13
chxI have fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc pni monitor vmx est tm2 xtpr can I use 64 bits?11:13
tech0007chx...what's all that?11:14
awalton__that's the CPUs feature flags11:14
sbucatinomacogw: i pay 33-34 for telephone and adsl then i i have bought a wifirouter..and so11:15
awalton__what does the model: line say tech000711:15
awalton__*model name:11:15
chxmodel name      : Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo CPU      L2500  @ 1.83GHz11:16
tech0007how will i know?11:16
awalton__oh my bad11:16
chxtech0007: cat /proc/cpuinfo11:16
awalton__yeah, the core duo doesn't support 64-bit11:16
chxit's a very awkward CPU that's why I listed the cpuflags instead of model name11:16
awalton__I thought that was a pentium-m based proc.11:16
tech0007fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm up11:17
chxmy googling says i want "lm" in flags11:17
chxso no for me and no for tech000711:17
awalton__tech's is probably a pentium 4?11:17
chxsomeone should wizz up a simple app that makes sense of this line11:17
macogwyou need a "core 2" not just "core" for 64bit11:17
awalton__chx: cpuid11:18
macogwdont know *why* anyone wants 64bit unless it's their graphical rendering powerhouse workstation11:18
chxwe are restless and want to squeeze out the last drop of juice of the CPU :P11:18
awalton__*shrug* some people just love the bleeding edge11:18
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chxahhh cpuid is useful11:19
macogwwhat the heck takes advantage of that many bits?11:19
tech0007macogw...can i skip xserver update when i do the gutsy upgrade?11:19
awalton__indeed it is chx11:19
awalton__macogw long number libraries11:19
tech0007coz i think i installed the openchrome binaries in /usr...i jst followed the directions11:19
chxthouigh I bought a backwards laptop, just a CF-Y5 when the Y7 is out exactly because the Y7 uses Core 2 Duo which eats more battery and no thanks I do not need that.11:19
awalton__that's off the top of my head11:19
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macogwfor insane graphics rendering or extraordinarily precise scientific and mathematical computations, 64bits of precision could be used.  what normal person does math involving numbers in the range of 2^8x10^56?11:20
awalton__eh, I would have went with the core 2 for the 40% performance jump for a 20% battery reduction.11:20
awalton__haha.. well I did last year on a daily basis..11:21
macogwO_o are you a physicist?11:21
awalton__fun stuff.11:21
macogware you *sure* you're normal?11:21
chxI am a PHP developer and *surely*  I need 64 precision for my CMS work :P11:21
awalton__I think so11:22
chxthe only reason is I need an FPU is, I believe, compiz :)11:22
macogwmy knowledge of encryption: if you use too good of it, like 4096+ bit, the government comes knocking11:22
macogwchx: what's fpu?11:22
chxand the occasional HD movie...11:22
awalton__floating point unit11:23
jmgmacogw: where?11:23
macogwjmg: usa11:23
jmgawalton__: i also work on crypto11:23
chxmacogw: come on, even in the USA they stopped that many years ago11:23
jmgyeah, clinton did11:23
jmgremoved all restrictions on crypto11:23
macogwi know you can now export very high encryption levels11:23
awalton__thank goodness11:23
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chxI do remember the time when PGP was exported ... on printed paper if I remember correctly11:24
macogwbut if your communications are in the form of NSA-style-encrypted packets and you don't work for the NSA, they get suspicious11:24
macogwchx: yes, bound in a book11:24
jmgmacogw: oh sure, if you were making suite a calls im sure they would send out the unmarked helicopters11:25
chxI was laughing so hard when the PGPi project came around11:25
jmgbut maybe you forget the NSA provided suite B so americans could secure their private communications11:25
jmg(thats probably because they can break it all in realtime)11:26
jmgyou can see the amount of heat put out by the puzzle palace11:26
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awalton__I dunno about realtime, but I'm sure they can break it11:26
jmgin the weather system11:26
reversebladeI am getting frequent freezes11:27
macogwwell if you use normal levels of encryption like 128, 256, 512, 1024.....theyre not *that* high and so theyd just assume you're a private person and ignore it11:27
chxmoev to the south11:27
chxI did that , I am in Malaga currently and planningto go to Eilat in Nov or Dec11:27
reversebladeWhen I am using nvidia drivers I am getting frequent freezes does anyone know why ?11:27
chxI can't stand freezes11:27
jmgmacogw: it takes cryptanalysis to even tell the key length.11:27
macogwthere is a point though, where you just look at someone and say "you HAVE to be hiding something"11:27
macogwoh really?11:27
awalton__yeah it does.11:28
jmgif thats all your varyung11:28
jmgand its a symmetric cipher11:28
awalton__its not like you can just look at some data and say it's encrypted..11:28
awalton__that's the idea11:28
jmgthe key length is secret11:28
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macogwok then im dumb and so is whoever told me that11:28
jmgmacogw: marijuana?11:28
awalton__the ganja told me11:28
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tech0007been great talkin w/ u guyz..gtg11:28
JimQodeGutsy test reporting page iso.qa.stgraber.org does not work!11:28
macogwi *think* Spec told me that11:29
jmgJimQode: its overloaded and crashed11:29
macogwand he's at Open Minds in Indiana11:29
JimQodejmg, wow that means it's not very important to enter my test results. there must be thousands :)11:30
jmgmacogw: what is known, is pretty much every single communication can be intercepted point and click now. but first they have to have a reason to snoop11:30
awalton__or so we hope11:30
jmgkeyword filters cant detect crypto11:30
jmgthose Narus things are scary11:31
macogwkeyword filters?11:31
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jmgmacogw: well we pretty much think they filter for keywords like11:32
awalton__narus is the company that built those router-room deep-packet-inspectors11:32
Stevethepirategutsy crashed for me whil update.... now i tried a dpkg --configure -a11:32
jmgbomb, terrorist etc11:32
macogwjmg: oh like in the bourne ultimatum11:32
macogwwhen they're on the phone11:32
jmgor ones that terrorists would actually use11:32
awalton__very similar yearh11:32
Stevethepiratesince all the packages were downloaded, and it gives me a acpid dependancy error11:32
macogwsupposedly some phone companies really do that11:32
jmgyes its filmed as a documentary11:32
awalton__at&t really does11:32
jmgthat is a known known11:32
macogwif so, i wouldnt be surprised if verizon does11:32
jmgas1 is tapped11:32
jmguunet is tapped11:33
jmgall have dcsnet routers11:33
awalton__your world. tapped. AT&T.11:33
MikeDXyou americans...11:33
MikeDXfirst you vote for george bush, then you say you didnt11:34
awalton__pfft, it doesn't matter what us americans vote11:34
Stevethepiratesighs.. is this #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu+offtopic ?11:34
ubotu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!11:34
Stevethepiratethought so11:34
Stevethepirateso, can someone help me fix my rather urgent problem11:34
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MikeDXnot now, no11:34
macogwMikeDX: i wasnt old enough at the time, so i swear i didn't11:35
jmgMikeDX: dont you mean11:35
jmgfirst you vote for al gore11:35
jmgthen diebold changes your vote to bush11:35
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StevethepirateWatch the documentary "Hacking Democracy"11:35
awalton__hahaha, so sad, so true.11:35
MikeDXim not saying anything as this isnt #ubuntu+offtopic......11:35
Stevethepirateyeah.. diebold <<11:35
jmgyou know11:36
jmgtheres not much the national guard could do about a million people with hammers11:36
jmgif you all went to washington11:36
jmgyou could knock the place down11:36
Stevethepirateone nuke11:36
Stevethepirateall gone11:36
awalton__sure there is, haven't you seen that new pain-wave weapon?11:36
MikeDXdeath ray11:36
awalton__ready, aim, fire.11:36
Stevethepirateamericans < *, since they chose Bush11:37
jmgoh yeah like they're going to davy crockett washington11:37
awalton__million people hit the ground screaming in agony11:37
jmgas funny as that would be11:37
StevethepirateI mean.. did you guys see that digg article .. about one of his speeches11:37
jmgawalton__: millimeter wave guns?11:37
chxindeed i can't really understand why people are not in masses on the streets of Washington from day to day11:37
Stevethepirateit was uploaded to the UN11:37
jmgawalton__: i think you can reflect the beams11:37
sbucatinoehm ehm who can see this and would tell if it is understandble?11:37
jmgchx: apathy11:37
jmgchx: and the fact they'd en masse be declared enemy combatants11:37
awalton__with what? everyone's going to have to walk around in 3 inch armor, or a mm of lead..11:37
Stevethepirateit still had "Written by ...." and all the long words were written out phoenitcaly11:38
awalton__it'd still take a lot more in the way of preparation...11:38
jmgawalton__: also those weapons are prototypes11:38
Stevethepiratelol.. www.sickipedia.org >>11:38
Stevethepiratesome of the bush jokes are imba11:38
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awalton__jmg: the only reason they're prototypes is we haven't found a good reason to use them yet.11:38
jmgawalton__: that category of crowd control has been around for ages, but no dictator has used it11:39
jmgever heard of a subsonic driver?11:39
StevethepirateYes, they do work..11:39
Stevethepirateyou can simulate the effect with lots of speakers11:39
Stevethepiratethat operate in the > 20khz range11:39
awalton__I just hope it never comes to needing to do that..11:40
Stevethepirateoutside human hearing as a single frequncy..11:40
Stevethepiratebut rapes you.11:40
Stevethepiratejmg: we simulated some at my dads work..11:40
jmgawalton__: i imagine if it did come to that11:40
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Stevethepirategot 19.2 kW of sound equipment11:40
Stevethepirateand tried it out11:40
Stevethepirateone dude vomitted11:40
awalton__and loosened your bowels.11:40
jmgthe rebels would get some antirad RPGs gifted by their friend hugo chavez11:40
Stevethepiratewas awesomeness11:40
awalton__hah, I don't even want to think about another us revolution -_-11:41
jmgawalton__: hopefully it wont come to that, if al gore wins the nobel prize11:41
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macogwchx: are you french?11:42
jmgi cant wait to read condi's book when this is over11:42
macogwjmg: ...for inventing the internet11:42
Stevethepirateanyone here read Trudi Canavan?11:42
awalton__I want to read Powell's book: "Why I was a Scapegoat"11:43
jmgawalton__: have you heard of Fortunate Son?11:43
macogwas in CCR?11:43
jmgit was a book that got banned11:43
jmgand all copies destroye11:43
jmgabout george bush11:43
StevethepirateI think i have an ebook of that..11:43
macogwlike that ever happens11:44
awalton__oh wonderful, we're burning books.11:44
macogw*someone* always saves a copy11:44
StevethepirateNazi regime 101011:44
macogwit's like...a rule11:44
sbucatinoplz could someone tell me if this video is understandble http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=VtIa3xw2s3w11:44
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jmgmacogw: it got leaked to the administration before it got published and they got a court order to prevent publication11:44
StevethepirateI would.. but my X has phailed due to gutsy fucking out...11:44
awalton__it's a rule of the internet: rule #106, put something on the internet, google will always have it.11:44
macogwheh yes11:45
macogwand if google doesnt, the internet archive does11:45
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jmgmacogw: try and find Salmon Days, the internet tv series from 200211:45
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AxiomAny good Game Developer's in here?11:46
chxmacogw: Currently I consider myself without a nationality. I am originally from Hungary, I travel Europe while waiting from my Canadian PR visa.11:46
awalton__developers. not posessive. /grammar-nazi11:46
AxiomPrivate Message me, if you are a good GGame Developer please.11:46
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AnRkeyJordan_U, I have fixed my problem with my intel graphics by booting the previous kernel11:46
jmgdevelopers developers developers11:46
jmgdevelopers developers developers developers11:47
AnRkeyshut up balmer11:47
Tm_Tjmg: you can stop now11:47
macogwchx: oh ok.  we were studying french gov in class last week and the prof said the distrust of their gov is what leads the french to protest so much.  they figure that going through the proper channels wont work because of corruptsion11:48
awalton__at least the french are willing to protest11:48
AnRkeymacogw, much like our south african gov11:48
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AnRkeyour president thinks hiv has nothing to do with aids11:49
chxmacogw: corruption is one of the reasons I am leaving the country i was unfortunately born in11:49
awalton__that's funny, so does ours.11:49
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AnRkeyrock on is what i say11:49
ubotu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!11:50
bazhangPrevious problems for K3b and Konversation not working after a short period with Compiz-Fusion are resolved with turning c-f off and then on again.11:50
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ArafangionHey, does Upstart come with its dependencies by default? Because I downloaded it and checked the various INSTALL/README/etc files, then did the ./configure && make && make install dance (with a few other flags).12:00
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sirrusHow can I make audacious play .ogg and .mp3 internet radios? It keeps complaining that either codecs aren't present, or aren't enabled. I installed both the bad and ugly variants of gstreamer12:14
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awalton__do you not have libmad installed?12:15
awalton__audacious doesn't use gstreamer12:15
sirrusIt should play .ogg files fine, shouldn't it?12:16
sirrusbecause it complains even when using an .ogg stream12:16
sirrusbtw libmad is installed12:17
awalton__do any other players stream correctly or is it just audacious?12:18
sirrusit's just audacious - both amarok and rhytmbox play the streams fine12:18
awalton__weird, but at least that narrows the field..12:19
sirrusthis might be a gutsy-related bug, as I had no problem playing these streams on feisty12:19
bazhangstreaming radio works fine here too--maybe an Audacious problem12:20
awalton__you should probably file a bug with them on launchpad12:20
sirrusanyway, thanks a lot for your input12:21
sirrusawalton__: Yeah, I'll do that12:21
awalton__sorry I'm not much help other than that12:21
sirrusno problem - as long as I can play the streams, I'm fine. :) Thanks for your time anyway.12:23
awalton__always welcome.12:23
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jo1whenever i leave my pc alone for a while or manually 'suspend' the session, when i try to log back in i get a yellow msg at the top "   Linu" and cannot get back in without a hard reboot - any help?12:31
jscinozHey guys, have any of you guys ever used an application callled Falcon Repository builder12:33
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compwiz18jscinoz, yes12:40
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jo1whenever i leave my pc alone for a while or manually 'suspend' the session, when i try to log back in i get a yellow msg at the top "   Linu" and cannot get back in without a hard reboot - any help?12:41
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compwiz18is anyone else having issues with random programs not taking keyboard input? like they work for a while, and then they suddenly stop responding to keyboard input, even though mouse input works fine...12:41
jscinozcompwiz, can you run "falcon scan" correctly? mine throws a bunch of errors, i'll paste bin them just now12:41
sbucatinojo1: your bios are not so much supported12:41
bazhangcompwiz18 yes, using compiz-fusion K3b.12:42
sbucatinojo1: is not supported :D12:42
compwiz18bazhang, I'm using gnome with metacity12:42
jo1sbucatino: lol not good, how can i fix it?12:42
jscinozmy laptop does a similar thing to jo1, the yellow Linux message, but it then resumes corectly, alibeit with super slow hardware accel12:42
bazhangtotally unrelated then12:42
compwiz18jscinoz, ok, give me the link12:43
jscinozcompwiz18, heres the error "falcon scan" throws http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/40244/12:43
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jo1jscinoz: how do you get back in? mine just does nothing after that black screen yellow msg?12:43
Tominatordoes somebody know when the rc comes out? :)12:43
jscinozjo1, mine just continues resuming after the Yellow linux message,12:43
jscinozjo1, but hardware accel is very slow after resuming12:43
compwiz18jscinoz, weird error, I have no idea what the problem is, sorry12:44
jscinozlike unusably slow12:44
jo1jscinoz: how are you managing it? do you just end up rebooting anyway or just carry on as is?12:44
sbucatinojo1: EH it's not so easy have you a laptop?12:45
bazhangRC should be today 10/1112:45
jo1sbucatino: yes a compaq? big problem?12:45
sbucatinojo1: i have a solution maybe (maybe) but i need of sometime to find out12:45
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jscinozjo1, i end up rebooting, as my system is running compiz the whole thing is too slow to use after a resume12:46
sbucatinojo1: and you think is in italian so i must translate...you must be patient12:46
jo1sbucatino: erm i need to pop out for a little while, how can i get back in touch with you?12:46
cyranoHi. I'm having touble with Open Office... is this a known bug of the last update?12:46
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cyranoor is it me or something i have done...12:46
jo1sbucatino: i dont mind waiting or giving you an email address?12:46
compwiz18cyrano, what is your problem exactly?12:47
sbucatinojo1: minuti23@libero.it12:47
cyranothe splash screen shows up and then it just hangs12:47
cyranoi get the titlebar only and have to forcequit12:47
jo1i will email you now, please send me the solution by reply, many thanks to you12:48
sbucatinojo1: i repeat maybe it will work i am not sure !12:48
jo1no problem, still worth trying to learn12:49
cyranoI tried to run openoffice in terminal and this is my output:12:49
jscinozhey guys, im trying to create a repository using falcon, however when i run "falcon scan" it crashes, here is the output http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/40244/ any idea how i can fix this?12:49
cyranoX-Error: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)12:49
cyrano        Major opcode: 53 (X_CreatePixmap)12:49
cyrano        Resource ID:  0x4c0053812:49
cyrano        Serial No:    8558 (8558)12:49
cyranoThese errors are reported asynchronously,12:49
cyranoset environment variable SAL_SYNCHRONIZE to 1 to help debugging12:49
cyranosorry for posting in channel. forgot the pastebin12:49
compwiz18jscinoz, btw you might try posting the bug report at that url12:50
jscinozI will12:50
compwiz18this keyboard thing is annoying me though12:51
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compwiz18the weird thing is, in pidgin, the animated keyboard icons animates when I type, stops when I don't, even though no text goes in the box (this is using the custom status box)12:51
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jscinozcompwiz18, im quite sure that icon is shown when the other person is typing, not you.12:54
cyranocompwiz18: can you help me? I'm at work and need office to work (using abiword as an replacement right now12:55
jscinozcompiz18, found a fix for the bug i had at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/falcon/+bug/12415412:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 124154 in falcon "falcon failed when doing a scan" [Undecided,Fix released] 12:55
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stefgDo we have a release candidate iso to test yet ?12:59
compwiz18jscinoz, good01:00
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compwiz18cyrano, I can't help you, sorry :( I don't know much about open office01:00
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darkzeromorning all01:01
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jscinozcompwiz, argh it worked the first time, but the error came back and the same fix doesnt work now >_<01:02
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darkzeroSo anyone here have problems with sound while play a cd or playing a video file?01:03
darkzerowhen playing mp3, it sounded like a bass in the background01:04
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bazhangdarkzero have you checked the mixer controls?01:06
darkzerosound problem also appear when playing mkv and ogn video file which the sound work on the left side01:06
bazhangdarkzero in kde it's called kmix; not sure about gnome--you can adjust speaker balance, pcm and so on.01:07
bastid_raZorspeaking of sound.. i just noticed my sound card now claims to be unconfigured after gutsy upgrade01:08
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darkzeroany subjection on mkv and ogn video sound01:08
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DemizeI'm upgrading now!01:12
bazhangdarkzero I don't know if those problems precisely, but a large number of folks have been reporting issues from very faint sound, no sound, and no sound card recognized--which driver are you using? alsa/oss/other?01:13
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bazhangdarkzero I had the no sound issue until the latest kernel upgrade, and then they went away--don't know the precise reason; sorry can't be of more assistance..01:14
darkzerowell, the mix didn't help01:14
jscinozgah are there any programs similar to falcon for building a repository, falcon just wont work01:15
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maxb_Is there any documentation anywhere that explains what else happens in the magic upgrader tool, compared to an "apt-get dist-upgrade", or is it just a case of "use the source" ?01:16
bazhangdarkzero you'll likely have better luck if you come back in awhile--when the couple of sound experts show up. Cheers!01:16
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bazhangand one arrives as I speak..01:17
darkzeroso, gutsy rc1 releasing today01:18
bazhangsupposed to be01:18
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maxb_Does the absence of manual upgrade instructions from the "GutsyUpgrades" wiki page mean upgrading with apt-get is even less recommended that it was for previous releases?01:19
darkzerothey have a week left and hope they fix all the bug before release next week01:20
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darkzerounless the they will delay the release for November01:21
compwiz18I should go file a bug report for my typing problem I guess01:21
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bushwakkomy sound doesn't work on my macbook pro c2d... modprobe snd_hda_intel says: [  808.102471]  HDA Intel: probe of 0000:00:1b.0 failed with error -1601:24
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sbucatinobushwakko: lspci01:27
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)01:27
darkzeroseem like develope got their hands full01:27
bazhangbushwakko  check out www.ubuntu-tutorials.com  the guy there is installing k/ubuntu on his mac notebook, and will definitely know about it. Cheers!01:27
cyclonutany tips on random kernel panics?01:27
bazhanggotta go. bye!01:27
bushwakkoit worked with the 22 kernel when i followed this thing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller01:28
bushwakkobut that doesn't work on my 2.6.23 kernel01:28
compwiz18I found something in my syslog related to an iwconfig bug:01:28
compwiz18Oct 11 10:04:05 linux kernel: [ 4909.813152]  Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000018 RIP:01:29
compwiz18does that look like something I should file a bug report on?01:29
bastid_raZorhow does one downgrade back from gutsy?01:30
compwiz18go to cdimage.ubuntu.com and click feisty :)01:30
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compwiz18there isn't a trick to it as far as I know01:31
bastid_raZori guess that wasn't the answer i was looking for01:31
compwiz18I figured01:31
compwiz18but afaik that is the answer :S01:31
darkzeroyou know, I think they should use feisty hardware code and transfer it to gutsy so many people don't have any problem except for bugs that is01:31
cyclonutdarkzero: "you know, I think they should just throw out any improvements they made while working on gutsy the past six months"01:33
darkzero<cyclonut>or just forcous on new engine or design01:34
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Whoopieallbert: hi, did you try uswsusp again?01:39
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basi have a problem with my wifi config01:46
basi'm using the rt61pci drivers with wpa_supplicant01:47
basthis setup works, just not when i boot the machine01:47
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bassomehow i get a list of authentications and deauthentications in the syslog01:47
basand not until i manually restart networking (via the init.d script)01:48
basnetworking is working again01:48
basso, why is my card authenticating an deauthenticating with my AP?01:48
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MattJHi, I'm trying to set up a network printer in Gutsy01:51
bastid_raZorHi, i'm trying to set up gutsy in gutsy01:52
MattJAs far as I know it is set up right, but when I print, the job status changes to "Held"01:52
MattJRight-click->Release changes it to "Processing" and then a second later it changes back to "Held"01:52
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effie_jayxdoes anybody know how the new Screen and Graphics menu works...02:01
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effie_jayxI Can't use my laptop on video beams anymore02:01
effie_jayxI plug it in.02:01
effie_jayxand One I activate the second screen02:02
effie_jayxthe resolution on the main screen becomes02:02
effie_jayx640 X 48002:02
effie_jayxand I can't give talks like that :S02:04
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Kamping_Kaiserthen come here? helpful02:06
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Almindorhey guys, how do you properly add new partition to fstab? I guess manual editing isn't the way of today?02:06
savvasAlmindor: you have the pysdm package02:07
friend2GNUanyone get 80-100 percent cpu usage on xorg during video playback while compiz is on02:07
friend2GNUit only occurs when the video is not in fullscreen mode02:07
savvasAlmindor: logically, you have that ability while doing an installation of ubuntu02:08
Almindorsavvas, aha ok, thanks, btw what are those odd "identifier strings" in fstab?02:08
Almindorsacater, disks/partitions can change runtime too :)02:08
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friend2GNUi've tested totem,vlc,mplayer,and xine. the issue can be reproduced everytime02:09
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savvasAlmindor: it's best that you read the manual, man fstab :)02:11
Almindorsavvas, the first field is supposed to be the device02:12
Almindorsavvas, UUID is new to me, udev thingy?02:12
savvasAlmindor: those are unique identifiers02:13
savvase.g. to be certain it's the same device on /dev/sda02:13
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Almindorah ok, that's nice02:14
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savvasAlmindor: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28313102:14
Almindorit wasn't in some older distroes02:14
savvasls /dev/disk/by-uuid -alh02:14
Almindoryeah, thanks for the info :)02:15
savvasn/p ;)02:15
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ximalHELP ! lol02:24
ximalanyone noticed how to make a mouse click... my touchpad on my laptop is not working now02:24
ximalI can move my mouse but now it's not clicking i should say..02:24
ximalgoing to reboot02:25
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advancedonsitehi guys02:28
advancedonsiteive recently installed updates into my T61 ibm laptop for gutsy and now no sound is working but i do hear sound when i login just no music allowed i also noticed ESD ALSA and PULSE AUDIO is installed02:28
sharperguyis it just me or does the free flash player sound a bit to much like Ganesh?02:28
advancedonsiteI read the topic to rebuild alsa from source and that went successful but still the resource is busy02:29
advancedonsiteany ideas02:29
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`Matirsharperguy, I believe the free flash player is Ganesh02:29
`Matirerr, Gnash02:29
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sharperguyMatir, yeah i know but it sound a lot like Ganesj (the hindu god with the Elephant head)02:30
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cyranocan anybody recommend me a good site with themes and stuff for Gnome, except gnomelook.org?02:34
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compwiz18cyrano, try googling gnome art02:38
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IdleOne!eyecandy | cyrano02:39
ubotucyrano: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy02:39
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vmlinuz`is there realplayer for gutsy?02:48
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ximalanyone mind telling me the storage spot for irssi ?02:50
ximali can't find it and i wish to alter some of the files..02:51
scizzo-ximal: probably in your .irssi02:51
scizzo-ximal: folder that is02:51
ximalumm i meant to entire path i might find it under02:52
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ximalscizzo : i dunno how to find it under folder view ... terminal is easy02:53
scizzo-aa....you are hidding hidden files?02:53
ximali haven't gotten this far into buntu or linux yet ..02:54
scizzo-press Ctrl+H02:54
ximalnew to the scene again..02:54
scizzo-or go to View-> Show hidden files02:54
ximalit's set to show hidden already.. hmm02:55
scizzo-well its in your homedir02:55
ximallike/home or /ximal ?02:56
scizzo-cd /home/ximal/02:56
Piciximal: What kind of files do you want to modify?02:56
scizzo-and then cd .irssi02:56
ximalfound it02:56
ximalthanks m802:57
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ximali'm trying to find the connect dialog so i can edit the on-join for irssi to auto join this chan the off topic and basic buntu channel and send msg identify commands..02:59
ximalbut the howt0 is not working for me.. the commands i used i mean.. i don't autojoin shiot..02:59
scizzo-ximal: www.irssi.org02:59
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ximali love standard responses..03:00
ximalgo here... read....03:00
scizzo-ximal: well......usually someone has done it before so.. :P03:01
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Piciximal: That should be in ~/.irssi/config03:01
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ximalbut i don't see any autocmdsend or anything03:02
ximalall the alterations i did aren't even there03:02
PiciWhat alterations did you make?03:02
ximali did the howto thing..03:04
ximalgoing to go back and see what i can do..03:04
ximalmaybe i didn'tg read it properly..03:04
ximalgoing to check it again.. and open a seperate irssi terminal03:05
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Piciximal: #irssi also excists, I've found it to be somewhat active.03:05
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Paddy_EIREHey guys does the Gutsy Beta upgrade to the new release when its out03:08
PiciPaddy_EIRE: yes03:09
Paddy_EIREPici, nice one03:09
Pici!final | Paddy_EIRE03:09
ubotuPaddy_EIRE: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.03:09
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Paddy_EIREhey Pici I cant find a download link for gutsy beta03:13
ximalgotta love the people in an irssi channel who can't offer script and join command help03:13
Paddy_EIREximal, a lot of arragant a**holes in their03:13
Seeker`Paddy_EIRE: I think the beta isos have been withdrawn to make way for rc1, which is (meant to be) released today03:13
Paddy_EIREany ideas when03:14
Seeker`ximal: you having problems?03:14
Seeker`Paddy_EIRE: personally, no03:14
bastid_raZorcdimage.ubuntu.com has them still03:14
ximalyeah seeker03:14
Seeker`ximal: what problems?03:14
ximali'm using irssi and trying to figure out some junk03:14
ximallike on connect .. how to auto boot my irc.freenode.net every time..03:14
ximallike when i hit irssi in terminal .. i want it to auto join freenode and buntu+1 buntu and buntuofftopic and identify me shortly after..03:15
ximalthat's all i want..03:15
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Paddy_EIREbastid_raZor, there seems to be only dvd images available03:16
Seeker`ximal: http://irssi.org/documentation/startup#c303:16
CorpusCallosumhi everyone i have a small problem03:16
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atlfalcons866whats the default file system in gutsy03:16
Tm_Text3 ?03:16
ximaltrying that now Seeker : thanks m8..03:16
Paddy_EIRETm_T, I would assume ext303:16
Seeker`CorpusCallosum: what is the problem?03:16
CorpusCallosumrelated to php mysql apache, normally i setup yesterday and worked fine03:16
Tm_TPaddy_EIRE: I know its ext3 =)03:17
CorpusCallosumbut after the restarting my computer it didnt work03:17
Pici!beta | Paddy_EIRE03:17
ubotuPaddy_EIRE: Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at  http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+103:17
Paddy_EIRETm_T, ext4 is still marked dev03:17
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bastid_raZorPaddy_EIRE: that is all i see too.. guess the cdimages are gone :\03:17
CorpusCallosumsudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart i wrote that command bot didnt fix03:17
Seeker`CorpusCallosum: define "didn't work"?03:17
atlfalcons866why not jfs03:17
Hobbseebastid_raZor: Paddy_EIRE what are you looking for?03:17
Paddy_EIREatlfalcons866, why jfs ;)03:17
HobbseePaddy_EIRE: help test rc1 for us, please.03:17
Paddy_EIREHobbsee, cd image of the ubuntu beta03:17
bastid_raZorPaddy_EIRE: but then again i have the cd version of the iso already.03:17
CorpusCallosumSeeker`: didnt work means cant see the page on my localhost03:17
atlfalcons866jfs has dynamic inode allocation and its journaling is faster than ext303:17
HobbseePaddy_EIRE: https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/03:18
Paddy_EIREatlfalcons866, if they dont use it then there would be a good reason why03:18
Seeker`CorpusCallosum: any error messages when trying to access it? what about when you tried to restart the server?03:18
bastid_raZorHobbsee: my gutsy upgrade is yet to work correctly.. tzdata issues .. apt-get seems to hate me now03:18
PiciIs RC1 out?03:18
HobbseePici: no.  note the testing page.03:18
CorpusCallosumSeeker`: 403 Forbidden03:18
PiciHobbsee: Okay I just wanted to double check :)03:19
HobbseePici: but, if those are good, they will be the RC03:19
atlfalcons866is ext4 in gutsy03:19
Seeker`CorpusCallosum: that probably means that the permissions in your web directory are wrong03:19
Hobbsee(i think that they are, so they should end up being the RC)03:19
Seeker`CorpusCallosum: or at least, thats the first thing I would check03:19
BlinnyWhy would Gutsy not like my 3c905b card after first boot? I'm already trying acpi=off noapic nolapic -- lspci shows the device and lsmod shows the modules, but no love.03:19
Paddy_EIREHobbsee, what is this all about https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/test/1025 should I go for the live session.. and is it installable as before03:19
CorpusCallosumbut yesterday it worked interesting Seeker`03:19
PiciHobbsee: I just wanted to know if we needed to change/add the factoids for it :)03:19
Seeker`CorpusCallosum: *shrugs* no idea why it would change03:20
HobbseePici: not yet03:20
HobbseePaddy_EIRE: live session test is basically "does it run in the session part, and does it have any bugs?"03:20
Hobbseei think there's info linked form there on what the tests are03:21
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BereanoneHelp a noobie with total system lockup/crash  Gutsy03:21
PoromenosHow do I enable the ssh server in gutsy?03:21
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Seeker`Poromenos: sudo apt-get install openssh-server03:22
PoromenosSeeker`: do i need to enable other repositories?03:22
Stevethepiratehi. installed gutsy, but on startup, get a "ubuntu cannot detect graphics card and screen" so its in low graphics mode...03:22
Seeker`Poromenos: not that I am aware of03:22
BlinnyPoromenos: I've used 'update-rc.d' to add daemons at different runlevels03:22
PoromenosSeeker`: ah, thanks03:22
bastid_raZordpkg: error processing tzdata (--configure):03:23
bastid_raZor subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10.. how might i fix that?03:23
Seeker`Poromenos: its in gutsy main03:23
PoromenosSeeker`: odd, i just searched for ssh and it only has openssh-client03:23
Seeker`cjo20@cdesk:~$ apt-cache search openssh-server03:24
Seeker`openssh-server - secure shell server, an rshd replacement03:24
CorpusCallosumSeeker`: what should i do for the permissions03:24
Seeker`CorpusCallosum: I can't remember specifically, its been a while since I had to play with that sort of thing03:24
PoromenosSeeker`: odd03:24
CorpusCallosumi seeee03:24
Seeker`CorpusCallosum: what aer the permissions on the files atm? and who are they owned by / what group?03:24
Seeker`Bereanone: ask in here03:26
bastid_raZorcome on bug report fixer people and fix my bug03:27
savvasPoromenos: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/net/openssh-server03:28
Poromenossavvas: ah, thanks03:28
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avatar_sudo apt-get install ssh03:28
avatar_that will give you ssh-server03:28
Stevethepiratesudo apt-get install openssh-server is better :p03:28
savvasPoromenos: which repos are you using? gr.archive.ubuntu.com ?03:29
Poromenossavvas: probably, it set them automatically03:29
PiciStevethepirate: I believe they point to the same packages.03:29
hiti just don't get it, compiz' cube spins as it should, but everything else hangs like hell03:29
BereanoneSeeker: running wine or even trying to configure it locks the cursor on my desktop and it is over...03:29
savvasPoromenos: apt-cache policy ssh03:30
avatar_Stevethepirate: thats 11 characters more typing!03:30
Poromenossavvas: i can't check the machine right now, it's being used03:30
Poromenosi'll wait and get back to you03:30
Seeker`Bereanone: I haven't had any experience with wine03:30
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savvasPoromenos: ah ok, the ssh avatar_ mentioned should work: sudo apt-get install ssh03:30
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Poromenossavvas: i think i tried that :/03:30
Poromenosi'll do it again to make sure03:30
BereanoneSeeker: any experience getting a second partition on a usb drive to become owned and read/writeable?03:31
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Seeker`Bereanone: not a USB drive, no - it should be automatic03:31
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BlinnySo I've tried three network card from two manufacturers in two PCI slots - all of them are found, modules loaded, and then nada. -- I'm just trying to confirm this is a bug and not some apic problem before I file.03:32
bastid_raZornot that is funny, i got brave and apt-get remove tzdata .. and i get the response you are about to do something very harmful to your computer. if you wish to continue type : Yes, Do as i say!03:32
bastid_raZornot == now03:32
Blinny(though I assume if gutsy didn't load network cards more people than I would be experiencing it ;)03:32
savvasPoromenos: ok, and try "sudo apt-get update" before it ;)03:32
Piciadaniels: Have you installed compizconfig-settings-manager?03:33
adanielsPici: I'm here03:33
Poromenossavvas: ah, i didn't try that :p03:33
adanielspici: no, aha :)03:33
`MatirBlinny, can you put output from lspci and dmesg into a pastebin?03:34
Blinny`Matir: Absolutely. Thank you.03:34
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`MatirBlinny, no problem... I'll take a look and see if I can find known bugs/causes... no guarantees though, lol03:35
adanielspici: k thanks, missed that one03:35
Blinny`Matir: though as I'm not net'd on this box, it's gonna be a lot of typing. I can tell you that lspci |grep -i net shows the card03:35
Seeker`ximal: any luck?03:35
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`Matirah, valid point about not being on net... never mind then03:35
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`MatirBlinny, what behavior precisely occurs?  Can NetworkManager see the card?  See a link?  Just not get an IP?03:36
`MatirBlinny, also, are we talking wired or wireless?03:36
ximalnothing yet seeker03:36
BlinnyI'm testing gutsy server for its LTSP5 implementation, so I'm console-only. These are all wired cards.03:36
bushwakkoNetworkManager just quit when I tried to connect to a network that uses username and pass and a 80211x certificate03:36
Seeker`ximal: did you follow those instructions?03:36
`MatirBlinny, ok, fair enough.  Does mii-tool show a link?03:37
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Blinny`Matir: no MII interfaces found03:37
Blinnyifconfig -a shows the correct MAC03:37
Blinnyifconfig shows only lo03:37
walrus_RUSppl, I see noticeable performance degradation when I watch video and compiz is on. Every 10..20 seconds computer holds on 3..5 seconds. Top shows that process compiz.real eat 100 % CPU time. When I return to 'nv' driver the problem disappearred.03:38
`MatirBlinny, mii-tool as root?03:38
ximalnot yet..03:38
Blinny`Matir: I'm sorry - not used to sudo. Yes, eth3: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok03:38
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Poromenossavvas: yep, it needed an update, thanks :)03:39
StevethepirateCan anyone help me with fixing X in gutsy?03:39
StevethepirateX doens't start properly03:40
savvasPoromenos: n/p ;)03:40
Stevethepiratethen looks like changing resolutions03:40
Stevethepiratethen drops me to Low Graaphics Mode03:40
StevethepirateI've dpkg-reconfigure'd xorg03:40
Stevethepirateto no avail03:40
savvasStevethepirate: graphics card?03:40
Stevethepiratenv 7600gt03:41
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Blinny`Matir: One thing of note - the card is assigned eth0 for some reason.. /etc/network/interfaces is set up for eth0 - I'm changing /etc/network/interfaces to reflect eth3 and rebooting now.03:41
Blinny:s;assigned eth0;assigned eth303:41
savvasStevethepirate: uname -r && apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules linux-image03:42
savvas!paste | Stevethepirate03:42
ubotuStevethepirate: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)03:42
Blinny`Matir: That was it.03:42
`MatirBlinny, probably because the others were assigned eth[012] ...03:42
Blinny`Matir: But they're not physically in the box.03:42
Stevethepiratesavvas: i'd love to...03:42
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Stevethepiratebut i'm on irssi03:42
Stevethepiratecan't copy paste if i wanted to :(03:43
`MatirBlinny, when each new interface is detected it is added to /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules.  This helps maintain naming for systems with many interfaces over reboot, kernel upgrades, etc.03:43
Seeker`Stevethepirate: why not?03:43
savvasStevethepirate: ok then write down that command and just tell me the versions that apt-cache returns and the uname -r03:43
remofordanyone know what the deal is on bluetooth pairing in gutsy? it opens a tooltip that immediatly closes and the old tools are gone03:44
Blinny`Matir: I guess.. but it still only gets me to eth2 and not 3 if we're starting at 003:44
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Blinny`Matir: Let me check out that file. Thank you.03:44
`MatirBlinny, np.  Not sure where the extra one came from.03:44
StevethepirateInstalled : None03:44
klaxiandoes anyone have a problem where evolution (or gtkhtml) is html encoding URLs (ie. & becomes &amp;)?  then the urls don't work when clicked03:44
StevethepirateVersion Table:03:45
Stevethepirate2. 003:45
Blinny`Matir: in 70-persistent-net.rules eth0 has five entries, all mostly blank.  Interesting. Thank you very much~03:45
Stevethepirate500 http:03:45
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Stevethepirate500 http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za gutsy/restricted Packages03:45
`MatirBlinny, np.  If you want your device to change back, it should be safe to delete all the entries in that file and restart and get eth0 back.03:46
StevethepirateInstalled (none)03:46
Zaptwhen can I download the release candidate? It is supposed to be downloadable by today03:46
Stevethepiraterest is the same03:46
Blinny`Matir: Right on. Thank you - Is this #ubuntu-specific , or new udev specific?03:46
Stevethepiratesavvas: ./ping>!!03:46
`MatirBlinny, it's not just ubuntu, some other distros are doing it as well, but it's not part of core udev either.  IOW, it's added by distros but being adopted by several.  It's nice for e.g., multi-homed systems or systems that use pcmcia or usb devices often.03:47
savvasStevethepirate: ok try this: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-restricted-modules-generic nvidia-glx-new03:47
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Blinny`Matir: Sure. I can see the usefulness. 'Course, not so much for a static server box.. I think I need to refine my google search words, as I didn't find much about this.03:48
Zapt when can I download the release candidate? It is supposed to be downloadable by today03:48
Stevethepiratesavvas: okay.. done03:49
savvasStevethepirate: now sudo nvidia-xconfig03:49
`MatirBlinny, searching for "udev persistent net" gives some decent results, e.g., http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/50203:49
savvasStevethepirate: you have gnome? sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart03:50
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Blinny`Matir: heh - if only I'd known and not been searching for 3c905, noapic, nolapic and gutsy (;03:50
Blinny`Matir: Either way. Thanks a bundle.03:50
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`MatirBlinny, no problem.03:50
Stevethepiratesavvas: same error03:51
savvasStevethepirate: what does the error say?03:51
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Stevethepirateit says 'x already running on :0'03:52
Stevethepirateor something to that effect03:52
Stevethepirateso i say, okay, open on new :x03:52
hitanyone has any idea why my compiz runs smooth but i.e moving a window freezes? :s03:52
Stevethepiratedoes that03:52
Stevethepiratethen it drops back to Low Graphics mode03:52
savvasStevethepirate: let me guess, you have installed a driver from nvidia.com directly?03:52
Stevethepiratethat was on feisty03:53
Stevethepiratemoving to gutsy though...03:53
savvasStevethepirate: do this: sudo nvidia-installer --help03:53
savvasdoes it say command not found?03:53
Stevethepiratecommand not found03:53
bastid_raZori'm getting somewhere.. reinstalled tzdata and now kernel problems :)03:53
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savvasStevethepirate: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-new03:53
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savvasStevethepirate: hold a sec03:54
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bastid_raZorlocale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory03:55
seppehi, is it safe to install the latest daily build now?03:55
MikeDXits never safe03:55
savvasStevethepirate: ps -e | grep -i "xorg\|dm"03:55
seppeI'm going on holiday before the final release, but I want Gutsy now :)03:55
MikeDXget it now, then just do update when you get back :)03:55
seppeok :)03:55
savvasseppe: what if it breaks everything and you don't have time to fix it before holiday?03:56
Stevethepirate7744 tty9 00:00:00 Xorg03:56
savvasStevethepirate: killall -9 Xorg03:56
savvasStevethepirate: killall -9 gdm03:56
Stevethepirate8213 tty10 00:00:00:00 Xrg03:56
seppeother question: I have an ati 9600 card .. when I install, will it use XGL + fglrx + Compiz Fusion? Or AIGLX + ati + Compiz Fusion?03:56
seppesavvas: oh I have the time to fix it, I'm sick at home now :)03:56
Stevethepiratenow the ps -e returns null03:57
savvasseppe: hope you get better soon :)03:57
seppehehe thx, that's kind of you03:57
savvasStevethepirate: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg03:57
savvasStevethepirate: choose "nv" as the graphics driver03:57
Stevethepiratei ran that03:57
Stevethepirateno wizard popup03:57
savvastry again03:58
Stevethepirateas before03:58
seppeanyone know what combo it will use on my ATI card? Compiz + XGL + fglrx? Or Compiz + AIGLX + ati?03:58
Stevethepiratedid again03:58
Stevethepirate5 times03:58
savvasStevethepirate: after all this?03:58
savvasStevethepirate: do it now03:58
Stevethepiratei did03:58
savvasStevethepirate: you're not using /exec for these are you?03:58
nanonymesavvas, why nv instead of nvidia?03:58
StevethepirateI don't think so.03:59
bastid_raZorperl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset),        LC_ALL = (unset),        LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"    are supported and installed on your system. how do i do this?03:59
nanonyme16:57 < *savvas> Stevethepirate: choose "nv" as the graphics driver03:59
nanonymenv is the obsolete nvidia driver :)03:59
Stevethepiratenanonyme: yeah.. but the dpkg wizard does not pop up03:59
bastid_raZorwould that be as simple as to go to date and time in system menu?03:59
savvasnanonyme: because I want to see if Xorg can actually start04:00
nanonymesavvas, then i'd recommend vesa04:00
savvasnanonyme: nv works for most nvidia :p04:00
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nanonymenv has had problems04:00
savvasnanonyme: would you like to take over? :)04:01
Stevethepirateeither way\04:01
Stevethepiratea working X would be imba :P04:01
Picivesa should work for everything.04:01
Stevethepirateum.. imbalanced.. like 'really good'04:01
seppeanyone know what combo it will use on my ATI card? Compiz + XGL + fglrx? Or Compiz + AIGLX + ati?04:01
StevethepirateDoTA acronym :P04:02
Stevethepiratenanonyme: SOS please..04:02
savvasStevethepirate: do you know how to use nano ?04:02
Stevethepirateyeah.. obv04:02
nanonymeStevethepirate, change display driver in xorg.conf to vesa and try startx04:02
savvasStevethepirate: great, sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf04:02
savvaschange the line with Driver "nvidia" to "vesa"04:03
savvasDriver "vesa" that is04:03
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StevethepirateX is running04:04
Stevethepiratenow, must i use built in restricted driver wizard to fix?04:04
savvasStevethepirate: reboot the computer before trying that04:04
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Stevethepiratesavvas: okay.. brb.. [screen ftw] 04:05
BlinnyThanks `Matir - Going to check out LTSP5. Cheers, all.04:05
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savvasI wonder what he meant by that.. I told him to reboot yet he's still here :P04:08
DexterFwifi question: feisty had the r8187 module backported to its 2.6.20. I needed a 2.6.22 kernel but didn't want to go gutsy, so I backported it. now I found that there's no r8187 module in the src. can someone confirm?04:09
bastid_raZorupdate-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-386  /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs: line 13: getopt: command not found04:09
bastid_raZordoes that mean i should apt-get install getopt?04:10
stefg!find getopt04:10
ubotuFound: gengetopt, cl-getopt, libgetopt++-dev, libgetopt++1, libgetopt-argvfile-perl (and 5 others)04:10
savvasbastid_raZor: ubuntu desktop or server?04:10
savvasbastid_raZor: try this: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop04:10
bastid_raZori've fixed my tzdata issues and now i'm here..04:11
bastid_raZorsame errors.04:11
Stevethepiratemy x loads..04:11
savvasStevethepirate: not restart, reboot the computer, how come you're still there? :p04:11
Stevethepiratei'm on a screened session to a server with irssi04:12
Stevethepiratejust reattached screen04:12
Stevethepirateits like okay04:12
savvaslovely :)04:12
savvasStevethepirate: ok try the restricted drivers manager04:12
Stevethepiratebut its as if my monitor is only showing the04:12
savvasbastid_raZor: sudo apt-get -f install04:12
Stevethepiratetop left 60% of the actual desktop04:12
Stevethepirateits like... the resolution is wrong or somthing04:13
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savvasStevethepirate: welcome to the vista drivers :p04:13
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Stevethepiratecan i not go back to the nvidia drivers now?04:13
Stevethepiratei installed the restricted drivrs04:13
bastid_raZorsavvas: same errors  :\ i'm pondering to --remove the linux-images and reinstall or try --reinstall04:13
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Stevethepirateinstalled restricted drivers04:13
Stevethepirateand here i am04:14
remofordhas anyone gotten gutsy to pain with a bluetooth device?04:14
Stevethepirateso, now where to do?04:14
Stevethepirateto fix this?04:14
xMothDoes anybody know when today the RC from Gutsy Gibbon will be released?04:14
savvasStevethepirate: glxinfo | grep -i "direct"04:14
savvasStevethepirate: returns yes or no?04:14
PicixMoth: The ISOs are being tested right now iirc.04:14
bastid_raZorremoford: with fiesty i couldn't get a pair either.. but i've never actually needed it to pair to transfer back and forth04:14
Stevethepiratedirect rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)04:14
remofordbastid_raZor: i got it to work in fiesty just fine04:15
tolonugahi. I found a non-working package in gutsy and fixed it (trivial) and added the patch with that fix and debian/changelog change to the bug. the package is "openct" and the bug is 125054. the fix has been tested well and works fine, and is as small as possible while still stable. also I'm upstream maintainer of that package :) what else can I do to get a fixed package into ubuntu gutsy before release?04:15
remofordwhen i try to pair the dialog *immeiatly* closes04:15
savvasbastid_raZor: type getopt in the console04:15
bastid_raZorremoford: did it ask you for a passcode?04:15
remofordbefore i can even click onit04:15
remofordits trying to04:15
remofordbut closes04:15
Picibug 12505404:15
savvasbastid_raZor: it should tell you what to install04:15
ubotuLaunchpad bug 125054 in openct "openct broken by ubuntu udev setup" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12505404:15
remofordits up less than a second04:15
bastid_raZorsavvas: command not found.04:15
savvasbastid_raZor: uname -r04:15
remofordive been trying to just be uber fast but it aint happening04:15
bastid_raZorsavvas: 2.6.22-14-38604:16
Stevethepiratesavvas: ...04:16
stefgtolonuga: talk to the release manager for about a freeze exception04:16
savvasStevethepirate: do this: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i "driver.*nv"04:17
tolonugastefg: ok. but the latest version of the patch doesn't need the new version, it works with the current gutsy package. do I still need release manager approval?04:17
Stevethepirate\        Driver          "nvidia"04:18
stefgtolonuga: afaik freeze means *freeze*, except the release manager approves something different04:18
savvasbastid_raZor: try this: sudo apt-get install gengetopt04:18
savvasStevethepirate: ps -e | grep -i "xorg\|dm"04:19
tolonugaok, thanks04:19
bastid_raZorsavvas: installed04:19
xMothHow long will it take to upload the ISO's to the server?04:19
savvasbastid_raZor: type getopt now04:19
savvasbastid_raZor: type getopt04:19
Stevethepirate 5028 ?        00:00:00 gdm04:19
Stevethepirate 5039 ?        00:00:00 gdm04:19
Stevethepirate 5185 tty7     00:00:01 Xorg04:19
bastid_raZorsavvas: still command not found.04:19
bastid_raZorsavvas: everytime i use apt-get it finished up with said errors.04:20
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bastid_raZorsavvas: would a --reinstall or remove then install be wise?04:21
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PirateHeadIs the RC out yet?04:21
savvasStevethepirate: you said you rebooted the computer after installing the drivers right?04:21
savvasPirateHead: http://releases.ubuntu.com04:21
StevethepirateIts okay04:21
savvasPirateHead: if it's not there, then no04:21
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Stevethepiratejust the wrong resolution04:21
savvasStevethepirate: try system > administration > screens and graphics04:22
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bastid_raZorStevethepirate: add the resolution you want in /etc/X11/xorg.conf04:22
PirateHeadsavvas: it says release candidate, but the link points to nothing, so I came here to ask. Jeez.04:22
savvasPirateHead: so it's not out yet.04:22
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PirateHeadsavvas: Is it expected some time today, or has it been canceled?04:23
savvasPirateHead: there's some text below the nothing you say :p04:23
gambitlxhey does anyone know how I can add a custom screen resolution in gusty?04:23
bastid_raZorPirateHead: i heard someone talking about it earlier.. and as of an hour ago it was not out04:23
savvasPirateHead: no idea, we'll find out in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule if there's been any change04:23
Stevethepiratebastid_raZor:  well04:23
Stevethepiratemost of the sections have all the res's04:24
PirateHeadmmkay, thanks for the info guys. :-)04:24
PiciPirateHead: I believe candidate isos are being tested04:24
savvasStevethepirate: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i "modes"04:24
PirateHeadI'm hoping it boots up on my machine this time. *fingers crossed*04:24
bastid_raZor Modes   "1280x1024"     "1024x768" ... in your xorg.conf .... yours will probably include 800x640 just add the one you want04:25
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Stevethepirate1280x1024@75"   "1024x768@75"   "1280x960@60"   "832x624@75"    "1280x1024@60" "800x600@60"     "1280x960@75"   "800x600@75"    "1400x1050@60"  "800x600@72"   "1400x1050@75"   "800x600@56"    "1600x1200@65"  "640x480@75"    "1600x1200@60" "640x480@72"     "640x480@60"04:25
Stevethepirate Modes           "640x480@60"    640x480@72"    "640x480@75"   "800x600@56"     "800x600@72"    "800x600@75"    "800x600@60"    "8302x624@75"   "1024x768@75"    "1024x768@70"   "1024x768@60"   "1152x864@75"   "1280x1024@75" "1280x960@60"    "1280x1024@60"  "1280x960@75"   "1400x1050@60"  "1400x1050@75" "1600x1200@65"   "1600x1200@60"04:25
gambitlxill have a look04:25
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)04:25
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savvasStevethepirate: I think they're put in reverse.. the highest resolution should be first04:25
bastid_raZorsavvas: Stevethepirate yes, they are reversed in xorg.conf04:26
bastid_raZoror they should be added in reverse04:26
Stevethepirateso how to fix?04:26
Stevethepiraterewrite them all?04:26
mc44Pici: syn104:26
Picimc44: :p04:26
savvasStevethepirate: gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf04:26
savvasStevethepirate: yeah, put the highest you want to try first, I have only four in my modes04:27
bastid_raZorStevethepirate: don't rewrite. just add the one you want without the @75 on the end04:27
Stevethepiratewhich section?04:27
savvasStevethepirate: example:                 Modes           "1280x1024"     "1152x864"      "1024x768"     "832x624"        "800x600"       "720x400"       "640x480"04:27
bastid_raZorunder modes. probably near the bottom04:27
savvasStevethepirate: section screen04:28
bastid_raZor832x624? that is a crazy resolution04:28
savvaswell.. tell that to samsung :P04:28
savvasbastid_raZor: they're autodetected :P04:28
Stevethepiratein screen04:28
savvasbastid_raZor: how's getopt going?04:28
StevethepirateModes"640x480@60""640x480@72""640x480@75""800x600@56""800x600@72""800x600@75""800x600@60""832x624@75""1024x768@75""1024x768@70""1024x768@60""1152x864@75""1280x1024@75""1280x960@60""1280x1024@60""1280x960@75""1400x1050@60""1400x1050@75""1600x1200@65""1600x1200@60" EndSubSection04:28
bastid_raZorsavvas: command not found :(04:29
Stevethepiratetheres my modes04:29
savvasbastid_raZor: ok try this: sudo apt-get install opt cl-getopt04:29
Stevethepiratewhat modes to add?04:29
Stevethepirateand, in the beginning or end?04:29
Stevethepirate* savvas ..04:30
savvasStevethepirate: delete all the modes and put these: "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"04:30
bastid_raZorStevethepirate: yeah, those are the most common and normal resolutions.04:31
Stevethepiraterestart gdm?04:31
bastid_raZorrestart X04:31
savvasbastid_raZor: i've no idea which one it was, i think opt has the getopt, but I told you to install them all and try out, glad it worked out :P04:31
StevethepirateCtrl-Backspace ftw04:31
bastid_raZorsavvas: oh, heh i still have that error.. i was saying done as in install done.. :)04:31
bastid_raZorsavvas: heh, you're doing a great job at helping though ..04:32
bastid_raZoreven after opt is 'set up' i get command not found for getop: :*(04:33
savvasbastid_raZor: wanna try the -generic?04:33
savvaswait.. was it getop or getopt?04:34
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bastid_raZor /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs: line 13: getopt: command not found04:34
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bastid_raZorif gutsy is ok with generic.. so am i04:34
bushwakkoI don't get access to taxonomy stuff when I'm anonymous, even though I've turned stuff on in permissions!04:35
savvasbastid_raZor: hold a sec04:36
remofordbastid_raZor: any idea what the bluez-pin thing is called now?04:38
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bastid_raZorsavvas: from what i can tell .. i'm already using that image.04:38
bastid_raZoras i recall grub had it listed and i'm currently booted to that kernel04:38
savvasbastid_raZor: sudo apt-get install util-linux04:39
bastid_raZorsavvas: you may be on to something here...04:40
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savvasI hope that's the package04:40
bastid_raZorsweet~! mother of pearl!! you sir have fixed my issues04:40
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bastid_raZorsavvas: you,sir, are awesome..04:41
savvasbastid_raZor: great, now i suggest you move to linux-generic :P04:41
savvassudo apt-get install linux-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic04:41
bastid_raZorheh, really? savvas  you think generic is less buggy/better?04:41
savvasI think it's more supported04:41
savvasunless you're using an old machine04:41
bastid_raZori'm all about support.. should i reboot as it requires first or install first?04:42
bastid_raZori have a decent box. worthy of abusing with demanding features04:42
savvasum install the -generic first, then you should change your kernel by pressing ESC during boot and select the -generic one04:42
savvasthen you can easily remove the -386 by searching with synaptic04:43
bastid_raZorit tells me -generic is already the newest version04:43
bastid_raZorpossibly i have it and am not selecting it in grub.04:43
bastid_raZoroff to grub land i go~!04:44
savvaswell then, just change your kernel and search in synaptic for 2.6.22-14-386 and right-click on the packages mark with green -> completely remove :)04:44
bastid_raZorok, why would you say -generic is supported better? you see lots of issues with people running -386?04:45
savvasdon't forget to sudo update-grub ! :P04:45
savvasbastid_raZor: what's your processor?04:45
bastid_raZorPentium D 92404:45
Stevethepirateits still fudge04:46
Stevethepiratewant me to send a screenshot?04:46
savvasbastid_raZor: ghz/mhz?04:46
Stevethepirateon like imageshack04:46
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bastid_raZor3ghz .. pentium d was the first dual cores .. they like to run hot04:46
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savvasStevethepirate: screens and graphics can't help?04:46
Stevethepiratenot that i can see..04:47
Stevethepiratei'll host an imageshack pic04:47
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savvasbastid_raZor: you're better off with a -generic then, it replaces -686,-k7 and all the other architectures04:47
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bastid_raZorsavvas: ok, would removing the old 2.6.20-15 and 16-genric be a safe bet too?04:48
vmlinuz`is there realplayer for gutsy?04:48
addosis the release candidate coming out today?04:48
MTecknologyI wonder why my fan won't shut off04:48
bastid_raZorvmlinuz`: vlc~!04:48
vmlinuz`bastid_raZor: no i need realplayer man04:48
MTecknologyI started up and it kicked into high, i've never heard it there b4 :S04:48
savvasbastid_raZor: .20 ? those are feisty kernels, I suppose so, at least leave 3 good kernels, "in case sh**" :p04:48
bastid_raZorvmlinuz`: vlc should play those codecs04:49
vmlinuz`bastid_raZor: in youtube it gives a feature to download them and save to watch them offline04:49
savvasStevethepirate: the black underneath?04:49
bastid_raZorsavvas: well buddy.. i see only 2.6.22-14 -386 and -generic which are gutsy and the other two which are feisty04:50
savvasStevethepirate: nfc? :P04:50
Stevethepirateno f**king clue04:50
bastid_raZorvmlinuz`: vlc should play them.. i could be wrong04:50
Stevethepirateit does04:50
Stevethepiratevlc plays *04:50
savvasbastid_raZor: better leave the other two then, you never know what might happen04:50
vmlinuz`does it have when i go to youtube and click save video?04:50
Stevethepiratethat will be a flv04:51
Stevethepirateget a youtube video downloader04:51
bastid_raZorvmlinuz`: if you're saving the video you won't be watching your porn in your browser.. you'll be opening it in VLC04:51
Stevethepirateand it  should save youtubes as flvs04:51
vmlinuz`bastid_raZor: ahhaha not porn dude04:51
Stevethepiratesavvas: ....04:51
Stevethepiratevmlinuz`: lies04:51
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vmlinuz`Stevethepirate: ok whats the youtube video downloader called.. "flv" ?04:52
hitcan anyone help me a bit with ati drivers?04:52
bazhangmiro will play them as well.04:52
savvasStevethepirate: dumb question, but have you checked your monitor configuration?04:52
Stevethepiratesavvas: huhs?04:52
Stevethepiratewant me to pastebin my xorg.conf?04:52
Stevethepiratevmlinuz`: heard of this thing called google?04:53
Stevethepiratesecond result04:53
Stevethepirateof "youtube downloader"04:53
savvasStevethepirate: does your monitor have degauss?04:53
vmlinuz`sorry, now on maintenance04:54
Stevethepiratesavvas: LCD04:54
LiMaOi wonder what people used to answer a few years ago, when google was inexistant.. poor newbies..04:54
StevethepirateLiMaO: yahoo it :p04:54
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LiMaOprobably people would answer 'hey, have you heard of altavista, yahoo, or something else'04:54
Stevethepiratehttp://www.pastebin.co.za/352 @ savvas04:54
LiMaOStevethepirate: dang heh04:54
bintutis xen-3.1.1 be included in gutsy?04:54
savvasmodeline ?04:55
Picibintut: Whats the package name?04:55
LiMaOsavvas: does that degauss thing still exist? hehe long time since i last used a crt monitor04:55
bintutPici: xen04:55
bintutPici: http://xen.xensource.com/04:55
StevethepirateLiMaO: yeah.. only way to stop kids screwing monitors up with magnets04:55
savvasStevethepirate: were you tinkering with the xorg.conf during feisty? adding resolutions etc?04:56
addosis the release candidate coming out today?04:56
Stevethepiratesavvas: naught04:56
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mc44addos: probably04:56
addosI want to run the tests on it04:56
addosso it can be polished for final release04:56
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bastid_raZori will reboot this crazy electronic death trap~!04:57
bastid_raZorsavvas: thanks.04:57
mc44addos: not many changes happen after the release candidate. thats kinda the point04:57
Pici!info xen-utils-3.1 | bintut04:57
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ubotubintut: xen-utils-3.1: XEN administrative tools. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.1.0-0ubuntu17 (gutsy), package size 366 kB, installed size 1088 kB04:58
addoshopefully the rc will be pretty polished then04:58
bintutPici: that's 3.1 of xen only.. there is already the xen-3.1.1 which fixes a lot bugs04:58
Stevethepirate" 25"04:58
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savvasStevethepirate: you got me there :D I've no idea, I still have a crt monitor so.. :) try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg now04:58
Stevethepirate"October 11th :  /!\ ReleaseCandidate, /!\ LanguagePackTranslationDeadline "04:58
mc44addos: i'm sure people will find problems with it as usual, but don't uncritical things to be fixed by release04:58
savvasStevethepirate: .. now that the desktop works04:59
mc44addos: *expect04:59
StevethepiratePackage `xserver-org' is not installed and no info is available.04:59
StevethepirateUse dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,04:59
Stevethepirateand dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.04:59
Stevethepirate/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-org is not installed04:59
majnoonok just for MY info :: when gutsy becomes "stable" how change to "stable"  gutsy from "unstable" gutsy ??05:00
Pici!final | majnoon05:00
ubotumajnoon: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.05:00
Stevethepiratesudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade05:00
majnoonokies thanky thanky05:00
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PiciSave our Stevethepirate?05:00
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StevethepiratePici: indeeed05:01
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savvasStevethepirate: I'm still here, but if dpkg-reconfigure and reboot won't help.. :s05:01
Stevethepiratewaht must i dpkg-reconfigure05:01
majnooncan i disable the launchpad report thingy ??05:01
Stevethepirateit says the xserver-org is not installed05:02
mc44seezer: er... if xserver-xorg doesn't exit, you have bigger problems...05:02
Stevethepiratemaybe i just can't type proprtly with the screwed res05:02
savvasStevethepirate: ok: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg05:02
majnoonapt-get install * ??05:02
Stevethepirateit now says its installed05:02
savvasStevethepirate: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop05:03
Stevethepiratenewest version already...05:03
savvasStevethepirate: sudo apt-get -f install05:03
savvas(..and that's what happens when you use update-manager -d I guess) :p05:03
Stevethepiratewhats the dpkg command?05:04
Stevethepiratespam it05:04
Stevethepirateone line05:04
Stevethepirateno inverted commas05:04
ubotuPlease try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!05:04
Stevethepiratei'll copy paste it05:04
savvasdpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg05:04
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mc44Stevethepirate: please try and use sentences...05:04
Stevethepiratemc44: : diaf.05:04
Stevethepirateis that a sentence?05:04
savvas!paste | Stevethepirate05:04
ubotuStevethepirate: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)05:04
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mc44Stevethepirate: I don't know, what's diaf?05:05
savvasso.. nothing ?05:05
advancedonsiteanyone know which audio version is gutsy using i've somehow got pulseaudio esd and alsa installed05:05
Stevethepiratei think should help you..05:05
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mc44Stevethepirate: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ should help you05:07
DoYouKnowwhere can I download the release candidate?05:07
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PiciDoYouKnow: mc44: I dont believe its out yet.05:08
nosrednaekimbug #15160005:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151600 in linux-meta "madwifi no longer working in kernel 2.6.22-12 and 2.6.22-14" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15160005:08
nosrednaekimmy bug :)05:08
mc44Pici: it's not no. but thats where it can be downloaded from :)05:09
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DoYouKnowoh, I thought it was coming out today05:09
PiciDoYouKnow: It is. But not yet.05:09
mc44it probably will be05:09
majnoonbug #105:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105:09
majnoonme LIKE05:10
majnoonbug #205:10
majnoonno #2 :(05:10
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Stevethepiratewon't start again05:12
Stevethepirate[xserver] 05:12
StevethepirateSomeone... SOS please... X won't start...05:13
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majnoonStevethepirate, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg05:13
vmlinuz`I love it how gutsy has new updates every now and then, its cool05:13
vmlinuz`I feel i'm updated all the time :P05:13
EstethHey. I've installed some of the new gnome 2.20 stuff on fesity. Just enough to get the new theme. Does anyone know if the upgrade (for final, not beta) will handle this gracefully, or will gnome end up dead?05:14
Stevethepiratemajnoon: thats what made this screw out.05:15
PiciEsteth: Probably not.05:15
EstethPici: as in, it won't be graceful, or it won't end up dead?05:15
StevethepirateIn an attempt to fix http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2817/screenshotja2.png05:15
PiciEsteth: It probably won't be graceful.05:15
savvasStevethepirate: did you select the nvidia driver?05:15
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StevethepirateYes. But hence changed to vesa in /etc/X11/xorg.conf05:16
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Stevethepiratesavvas: wait..05:16
Stevethepirateset to vesa05:16
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EstethPici: Ok. if i attempt to get those packages back to the proper feisty versions, should i be somewhat more "nice"?05:16
Stevethepiratesavvas: vesa / nv / nvidia05:16
Stevethepiratewhich one to use?05:16
savvasStevethepirate: did you reboot after dpkg-reconfigure?05:17
bastid_raZori think i'm having the same issues are were/are Stevethepirate .. after my reboot05:17
PiciEsteth: I really can't make a prediction either way.05:17
Stevethepiratesavvas: yeah05:17
savvasStevethepirate: nvidia should be used05:17
Stevethepiratelet me reconfigure05:17
MTecknologyHow do I nominate a bug for Gutsy?05:17
Stevethepiratewith nvidia05:17
MrMazdaanyone know why kernels have CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=m instead of =y?05:17
EstethPici: OK. Thanks for the warning, anyway :)05:17
bastid_raZoralthough i have my xorg.conf backed up several times with several settings05:17
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bastid_raZorStevethepirate: savvas changing my xorg.conf back to a known working copy did not solve my resolution issues05:18
MTecknologynosrednaekim, I know how to report bugs, I don't know how to make them specific to Gutsy05:18
Stevethepirate#41 of the day05:18
nosrednaekimMTecknology: hmmm IDK.... go to #launchpad or #ubuntu-bugs05:19
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savvasbastid_raZor: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg05:19
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gabbarinhodoes anybody use ubuntu on a laptop?05:20
nosrednaekimgabbarinho: yup05:20
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gabbarinhoi just got a friend of mine (a mac fan) to try it on his laptop05:21
bastid_raZorsavvas: copying back a working version of xorg.conf wouldn't be the same and fix what apparently this new kernel has flipped out on?05:21
gabbarinhohe was finally sold when i sent him a youtube clip of compiz in action05:21
sslashesin gusty, gnome recongnized the macbook pro fn keys (volume, backlight - both lcd and keyboard, etc) - i want to use pommed, does anyone know how i can disable the gnome keymapping for the fn keys?05:21
savvasgabbarinho: wait for the release candidate or the final version05:21
gabbarinhohe's very impressed - but says his battery now drains much faster05:21
macogwheh granparadiso's trying to decide if it should crash or not05:21
gabbarinhoand i figure that's because the CPU runs at 100% at all times and other things05:22
savvasgabbarinho: with compiz enabled?05:22
gabbarinhocan you configure that?05:22
macogwgabbarinho: if it's not a thinkpad, enable laptop mode05:22
macogwgabbarinho: also check out lesswatts.org from Intel for tips on power consumption05:22
gabbarinhoyes, i think he's using compiz a lot, and i guess that would have an effect too05:22
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gabbarinhothanks for the tip05:22
sslashesdoes compiz work well with moble ati cards yet?05:22
sslashes(or at all =)05:23
DoYouKnowhow do you enable laptop mode?05:23
gabbarinhohow do you enable laptop mode?05:23
savvasbastid_raZor: it should work now that you mention it, but try changing the driver to "vesa", see if you can run gnome at all05:23
nosrednaekimits in /etc/rc.conf or something like that05:23
mc44sslashes: it should work ok depends on the card. R350 ones don't work I think05:23
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macogwgabbarinho & DoYouKnow: it's in the /etc/acpi config file05:24
bastid_raZori just did a few tweaks in the resolution GUI.. let me restart X then if that doesn't work .. i'll go to vesa.. brb05:24
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DoYouKnowmacogw, is there a graphical way of doing it?05:25
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KonamI'm still getting this 'white slashes' on the window borders with compiz enabled nVidia card: http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3956/pantallazoml6.png05:26
Konamsomeone told me to change the them so I try with the default human and I'm still getting it05:26
Konam it happens when I put the cursor on something and the comment popup, for example on the close buttom "close the windows"..05:26
Konamis the default compiz installation and the default nvidia driver, which works fine btw05:26
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macogwDoYouKnow: no05:27
macogwi'm looking for it05:27
macogwit's the same file where you specify the drivers to shut down during suspend05:27
gabbarinhoI guess it isn't idiot-proof yet05:28
savvasKonam: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade05:29
savvasKonam: then alt-f2 compiz --replace &05:29
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savvasbastid_raZor: gnome would start and you just had resolution problems?05:29
bastid_raZorsavvas: i'm currently using vesa drivers. and my xorg looks all goofed like Stevethepirate's does with crazy modes added05:30
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bastid_raZorsavvas: i'm running at 800x600 now05:30
savvasbastid_raZor: nvidia graphics card?05:30
bastid_raZorsavvas: yeah 7600 gt05:31
macogwDoYouKnow & gabbarinho: /etc/default/acpi-support05:31
bastid_raZorsavvas: very weird that changing the kernel would do this. maybe get the -386 back?? or would the be just a fluke?05:31
gabbarinhothanks, macogw05:31
macogwgabbarinho: it's disabled by default because of thinkpads.  most distros don't even install the laptop mode packages by default05:31
savvasbastid_raZor: try enabling the driver from restricted drivers manager05:32
jdrakeIs there a way to disable the desktop switching with the horizontal/vertical scrolling of the touchpad (probably similar to mouswheel)?05:32
gabbarinhothinkpads have a problem with ubuntu?05:32
macogwwith laptop mode, yes05:32
macogwwhich is why it's disabled05:32
macogwthen they're fine05:32
gabbarinhowhat features are available in laptop mode?05:32
savvasweird though.. we all use the same card, yet I'm the only one having a great installation :P05:32
macogwit changes your disk I/O05:33
macogwlike, the frequency with which it writes05:33
DoYouKnowcpu throttling?05:33
gabbarinhodoes it throttle the CPU as well?05:33
macogwi dont know05:33
macogwdont think so05:33
macogwthat's just part of normal ACPI AFAIK05:33
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gabbarinhooh, that could certainly be the case05:34
bastid_raZorsavvas: thanks for the help this far05:34
savvasI have some patients to diagnose :)05:34
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Stevethepiratesavvas: :peace!05:34
Stevethepiratetahnks for teh hlps05:34
savvasStevethepirate: yohoho ... no problem my pirate friend.. yarr ;)05:35
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qziowhich is the best illustrator:ish app to ubuntu05:40
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jhaigHas there been a release candidate yet?05:43
gabbarinhohow much of a performance hit do you get with VMware?05:43
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MTecknologyOddly enough... it appears another one of my bugs has been fixed, but i never found a dupe. I guess I'll see if it recurse and act accordingly. :D05:43
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letalisthe only major problem ive expierenced with gutsy is that sometimes compiz dies05:44
bastid_raZorStevethepirate: i have a friend helping.. i'll give you the fix he gives me once he is done. ssh is awesome!05:44
letalisbut that was probably fixed in the last update05:44
letalisi havent tested it recently though ive been in kde.05:44
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sidCan I do loop back encrypted file system in Ubuntu.. like I can with debian?05:45
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MilhousePunkRockHey everyone!05:46
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MilhousePunkRockHey Hobbsee!05:46
MilhousePunkRockSo, is the RC arriving today, as scheduled?05:47
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cyclonutQuick question: randomly, my screen will not come back on after  opening my laptop lid. Any advice?05:48
MTecknologyHobbsee, Sorry for my stupidity yesterday05:48
gabbarinhoare yo using firefox, cyclonut?05:48
cyclonutgabbarinho: why yes I am05:49
Konamsavvas what would do those commands?05:49
MilhousePunkRockcyclonut: Same here rarely, I use Fn-F5 to cycle through the outputs until it comes back... Appears as if sometimes wants to use the non-existant external screen after waking up05:49
gabbarinhoi think that's a firefox bug, not a ubuntu thing05:49
thegeekercyclonut: when i had that problem it was the switch detecting laptop lid opening was physically wearing out05:49
MilhousePunkRockgabbarinho: Negative05:49
Konamsavvas I mean, exactly what would they do?05:49
gabbarinhofirefox leaks memory if you use flash, so CPU utilization often rises to 100% when you close the lid05:49
cyclonutgabbarinho: That doesnt make much sense to me...05:49
gabbarinhoso it has trouble "waking up"05:49
gabbarinhoit happens to me on both my ubuntu and windows PCs05:49
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gabbarinhoit's a common problem - google it05:50
HobbseeMTecknology: no problem05:50
cyclonutMilhousePunkRock: Ill try that next time...05:50
MilhousePunkRockgabbarinho: I have the same issue, I don't use Fx unless I have to. And you can hear from the fan and HDD that it's waking up, but there is no output to the screen...05:50
cyclonutaye, if it were that issue you were talking about gabbarinho, the backlight would at least turn on... It is completely ignoring the screen05:51
MilhousePunkRockcyclonut: Probably you will have to use a different key combination... Just look for the F-Key that has Screens on it in the color matching your Fn-Key05:51
gabbarinhooh, I see05:51
cyclonutMilhousePunkRock: yep, fn-f8 here ;)05:51
cyclonutgabbarinho: Thanks though!05:51
cyclonutand, on another note, has anyone else been getting random lockups?05:52
MilhousePunkRockI have never seen so much activity in here before...05:52
gabbarinhoany idea why this happens, milhouse?05:52
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cyclonutkernel panic type lockups, that is05:52
MilhousePunkRockcyclonut: Complete freezes? I'd first run an extensive memtest05:52
cyclonutwe,, just closed and opened my lidd. cycling displays did not help.05:53
MilhousePunkRockHobbsee: RC being released today?05:53
wubuntuwhen can i start download gg?05:53
Piciwubuntu: when its out05:53
HobbseeMilhousePunkRock: that's the plan05:53
MilhousePunkRockbazhang: That's the date for the final release, isn't it?05:53
bazhang:] 05:53
MilhousePunkRockHobbsee: So, technically the RC is identical to the final release unless there are huge problems, right?05:54
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HobbseeMilhousePunkRock: it'll be fairly similar, yes05:54
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lekui have some shortcuts defined to switch workspaces, alt-1 goes to workspace 1, etc on to 405:55
bazhangHobbsee: I saw a Gutsy DVD at linuxtracker--would that be better to get than the CD?05:55
xMothWhats up with the Release Candidate from Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon? When they'll be released?05:55
lekuwhen I use it to switch workspacse, it sometimes moves windows to different workspaces05:55
lekuhow do I stop this?05:55
PicixMoth: Sometime today.05:55
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MilhousePunkRockHobbsee: I am aching to do a fresh install on my good ol' ThinkPad, so I can take it to university and ditch the nasty Mac we have... :)05:56
Picimc44: I added cfblacklist if you didn't notice.05:56
Hobbseebazhang: nah, grab a cd.  they've been tested more05:56
xMothmaybe you can tell me a time ^^05:56
bazhangHobbsee: thanks!05:56
MilhousePunkRockbazhang: The DVD is probably for those who don't have a fast internet connection if they want install additional stuff...05:56
MilhousePunkRockmc44: Noon EST ;)05:57
bazhangMilhousePunkRock: good point. I hadn't thought of that. Cheers!05:57
MilhousePunkRockWait, that's like in 3 minutes...05:57
gabbarinhodoes gutsy have a better boot manager?05:58
MilhousePunkRockHobbsee: Who's that on the photo of the Gutsy Beta announcement, btw?05:58
xMothgabbarinho: What do you mean with "better"?05:58
MilhousePunkRockgabbarinho: Boot manager as in Grub? What's wrong with it?05:58
gabbarinhowell. triple booting ubuntu, xp, and vista can be prblematic05:59
HobbseeMilhousePunkRock: uh?  link?05:59
MilhousePunkRockHobbsee: http://kubuntu.org05:59
MilhousePunkRockHobbsee: Never seen it?05:59
gabbarinhoit isn't really grub's fault, but vista's05:59
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HobbseeMilhousePunkRock: i read the rss feed :)06:00
HobbseeMilhousePunkRock: um, it's one of the kde dudes06:00
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MilhousePunkRockHobbsee: I thought it could have been JRiddell...06:00
HobbseeMilhousePunkRock: no, it's not him06:00
macogwhow to drive me nuts: be my TA that pronounces "finite state machine" as "fin-it state machine"06:01
xMoththis guy looks funny ^^06:01
HobbseeMilhousePunkRock: i know vaguely who it is, but i cnat remember his name06:01
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delightPici: do you know where RC is going to be announced first? (probably ubuntu.com?)06:01
cyclonutso, switching displays didnt work :-P06:01
HobbseeMilhousePunkRock: Aaron Seigo (aseigo)06:01
MilhousePunkRockHobbsee: Too bad this photo once again confirms that nerds look like nerds... ;)06:01
Picidelight: I'm sure this channel will know the moment its released.06:02
sslashesin compixconfig, when i try to set an accelerator for Alt+Tab it doesn't register as anything (i can set other accelerastors, such as Alt+S06:02
sslashesany ideas?06:02
delightPici: ^^ :)06:02
bazhangthe nanosecond06:02
cyclonutsslashes: maybe because gnome is already trying to use it?06:02
MilhousePunkRockcyclonut: Another thing that might work is switching the screen on manually (Fn-F3 here), or rather on/off repeatedly06:03
cyclonutMilhousePunkRock: I dont have a keey to do that, sadly06:03
sslashescyclonut: nope, not in keyboard shortcuts anyway06:03
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thegeekercyclonut: manually trigger the lid down sensor06:04
sslashesis there a flat text file for configuring compix?06:04
sslashesif not, where is the config stored?06:04
cyclonutI've opened and closed the lids many-a-time06:04
cyclonuterr, lid06:04
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cyclonutI suppose I just wont close my lid until final06:05
MilhousePunkRockHobbsee: The guy on the photo being a KDE dev explains the "Downstream loves you" slogan, and it was probably taken on aKAdemy...06:05
xMothi hope the RC will be released before 8pm ^^06:05
HobbseeMilhousePunkRock: yep06:05
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HobbseexMoth: i'm sure it will be - in some timezone.06:05
thegeekercyclonut: if the lid sensor is wearing out, you may have to trigger it by pushing with a pen or something06:05
Hobbseeon some day06:05
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xMothI mean at gmt +106:06
cyclonutthegeeker: I see... thing is though that it has only happened since the upgrade, on a relatively new computer06:06
cyclonutIll try the manual thing though06:06
thegeekercyclonut: gotcha06:06
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cyclonutsad that I'm having such trouble with this beta... feisty seemed considerably more polished, though it was considerably less revolutionary too, I suppose06:07
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cyclonutI suppose this will make Hoary (LTS, right?) all the better when I get my paws on it06:08
bastid_raZorStevethepirate: had to reinstall nvidia-glx-new and all is well  in xorg.conf land06:08
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bastid_raZorStevethepirate: remove nvidia-glx-new then install it back.. alld one06:09
greedo_last time i upgraded (few days ago) i noticed an error message about update-notifier crash. now when i boot gutsy, file system is mounted read only, any idea ? how can i fix that ?06:09
Dr_Willisfsck the disks, to verify they are ok.06:11
Dr_Willisif a error is detected at boot. the fs's get mounted read only. as a safty feature.06:11
macogwcyclonut: hardy.  hoary's ancient06:12
cyclonutmacogw: oops, that is what I meant... I knew hoary sounded weird.06:12
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macogwby "ancient" i mean about as old as Debian OldStable06:13
MilhousePunkRockYeah, I got a little puzzled too... Hoary sounded more familiar...06:13
Dr_WillisThe Ancient Hoary Hedgehog hopped happly home...06:13
MilhousePunkRockDr_Willis: Historic Hoary... ;)06:13
The_Viperwill rc be out today?06:13
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MilhousePunkRockThe_Viper: It's scheduled for today... To quote Hobsee: "That's the plan"06:14
Hobbsee!rc is <reply> The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.06:14
ubotuI'll remember that, Hobbsee06:14
The_Viperhehe.. lotsa questions about that one i guess :P06:15
nemikare new updates safe? any breaking?06:15
Hobbseenemik: yeah, we decided to break everything as we're doing a RC.  duh.06:15
cyclonutI'm having crappy luck with them, personally06:15
The_Vipercant understand how the devs can live with this time pressure06:15
nemikHobbsee: ok cool. i'll hold off06:15
HobbseeThe_Viper: by staying away from userland channels?  :)06:16
cyclonutdepending on what happens at final, I may have to reinstall feisty, which will seem positively ancient compared to some of the stuff going on in gutsy06:16
The_ViperHobbsee: stop talking and develop :P06:16
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cellofellownot so much as Dapper. ;)06:16
HobbseeThe_Viper: meh.  fix some bugs for me.06:17
Col-PanicHi everybody06:17
Col-PanicAre there some news on the RC?06:17
Pici!rc | Col-Panic06:17
ubotuCol-Panic: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.06:17
Col-Panicpici: Alright ;)06:18
MilhousePunkRockPici: :D06:18
Dr_Willis'when its done'06:18
MisterNCol-Panic: you delayed it :(06:18
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Col-PanicI am very sorry. :)06:18
Col-PanicFeisty forever, then06:18
The_ViperHobbsee: sure. I'll just fire up visual basic :P06:18
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MilhousePunkRockHobbsee: Can't you have ubotu say !rc to everyone that joins? ;)06:19
HobbseeMilhousePunkRock: we've found that they ignore onjoin notices.06:19
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MilhousePunkRockHobbsee: Even if nick-highlighted? If that's possible at all...06:20
HobbseeMilhousePunkRock: yeah.  people dont read.  including topics.06:20
TheInfinityautomatic onjoins are like advertising popups - one time reading ok - but every join is really ... uh.06:21
DanaGOh yeah, something to add for people going to install Vista later: Mark Vista's partition active.  Otherwise, it gets unhappy.06:23
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DanaGI actually deleted my Vista partition to make more room for Ubuntu, actually.06:23
Col-PanicWhy  not ban any discussion on the RC, then it would be here quite soon :)06:24
TheInfinitygood idea ;)06:24
cyclonutsomething could be whispered/messaged to a person on jin06:24
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TheInfinitycyclonut: whisperers on join are something for my ignore list - except if somebody writes a bot who just whisperes one time to registered users, this would be ok ...06:24
Col-PanicDoS on all of usenet, then06:24
Col-Panic"The War on Usenet"06:24
DanaGGaack, my brighntess bug still hasn't been addressed.06:25
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cyclonutDanaG: nor has mine, or thousands of others' brightness bugs :(06:25
sslashesweird, i loaded up gconf-editor and changed the mapping to what compizconfig would not let me set as an accelerator - and now that i did it in gconf-editor it works fine06:25
cellofellowMy brightness doesn't work, or my sound. I'm rather confused about it, and wonder if I could fix it in Gentoo.06:26
cellofellowActually, the screen dims when the laptop is unplugged, and brightens when plugged, but not controllable.06:26
MTecknologyHow can I change my touchpad config?06:26
cellofellowMTecknology: what brand? Synaptics?06:27
nemikwhy all this usenet hate?06:27
MTecknologycellofellow, I feel stupid, but i'm not sure. I think so though.06:27
DanaGbug 12183306:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12183306:27
majnoonok i upgraded to gutsyTRYING to get kde4 to run it gives me some kind of gtk setuid error06:27
DanaGI get this awful BLINKING on dimming.06:28
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cellofellowMTecknology: try gsynaptics. Works for me (mostly)06:28
DanaGIt's like Gnome is saying,  "Oh, you're idle?   Whap!"06:28
DanaGWhere 'Whap' is it slapping you.06:28
Col-Panicnemik: Usenet is delaying Gutsy06:28
nemikCol-Panic: how so?06:29
Col-Panicnemik: Erm. Sorry. I meant IRC.06:29
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majnoonok i upgraded to gutsy TRYING to get kde4 to run it gives me some kind of gtk setuid error06:31
MTecknologycellofellow, it says it can't start b/c I don't have 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf. Does this mean i probably don't have a synaptices touchpad, or do i just need to add it?06:31
xMothWill the RC be released today or even not?06:31
cellofellowMTecknology: yeah, you need to add that to the file06:32
MTecknologycellofellow, what section?06:32
cellofellowMTecknology: in the section InputDevice with the driver synaptics.06:32
Hobbsee!rc | xMoth06:32
ubotuxMoth: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.06:32
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cellofellowMTecknology: there are lots of InputDevices, so be sure it's the right one.06:32
HobbseexMoth: you're clearly american06:32
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MTecknologycellofellow, do I add it as an option?06:33
cellofellowOption "SHMConfig" "True"06:33
MilhousePunkRockxMoth: Thanks for making us wait even longer...06:33
MTecknologycellofellow, I'll try it out, thanks06:34
cellofellowwhat's new in the RC?06:34
cellofellowthat's what I thought. :-)06:34
gnomefreakway is everyone waiting for it?06:34
cellofellowno idea06:34
DanaGWhy is shmconfig NOT enabled by default?06:34
cellofellowno idea06:34
cellofellowfile a bug06:34
MilhousePunkRockcellofellow: You can for sure fix that in Gentoo... If you have enough time and patience...06:35
Hobbseethere already is a bug, iirc06:35
Dr_Willisperhaps it can cause issues on other machines.06:35
gnomefreaklets try to explain this in terms you might get. DAILY ISO'S06:35
xMothI'm not american06:35
cellofellowMilhousePunkRock: figured06:35
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HobbseexMoth: you act like it.  not everyone lives in your timezone.06:35
MilhousePunkRockcellofellow: I used to use Gentoo for quite a while, dumped it for Kubuntu. Too much work...06:35
Hobbseegnomefreak: no, just let them wait.06:36
Matir`is there a gui tool to enable/setup dm-crypt?06:36
MTecknologycellofellow, It worked, but it doesn't let me change what I want... the area width that controls vertical scrolling06:36
cellofellowMilhousePunkRock: I've an nVidia HDA with SigmaTel STAC9200 chipset that just doesn't work in any of the binary distros I've tried.06:36
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DanaGOh yeah, to change the scroll area:06:37
cellofellowMTecknology: yeah, I noticed that. There is an option for xorg.conf to do that, but I can't figure out exactly what that is. man synaptics06:37
DanaGthe parameter is RightEdge.06:37
TheInfinity.oO((if ther will be a time where people understand the sentence "its done when its done"?))06:37
xMothhi TheInfinity ^^06:37
cellofellowDanaG: I know that much, but what do the integer values *mean*?06:37
DanaGOnce you've restarted Xorg with SHMConfig enabled, you can try "synclient RightEdge=5000".06:37
cellofellowmilimeters? "units"? no idea.06:37
DanaGThe best approach is trial and error.06:38
MilhousePunkRockcellofellow: If you have evidence that it can work in general, go ahead and try Gentoo... Installing is pretty easy with the handbook, but be aware that a Gentoo system basically never gets finished...06:38
cellofellowYeah, ok.06:38
cellofellowI don't think I have the time.06:38
MilhousePunkRockcellofellow: And if you can't make it work in Gentoo, it can't be made working in Linux in general, I guess...06:38
ubotuThe Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.06:38
xMothok thats nice06:38
cellofellowMilhousePunkRock: oh, apparently it can be done.06:39
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MilhousePunkRockcellofellow: In Gentoo or even *buntu?06:41
cyclonutwow. Ive had nothing to update for hours06:42
cellofellowFedora actually. Need to build ALSA though :(06:42
cyclonutim going to go into update withdrawl06:42
cellofellowI haven't had updates in days. Switching back to the normal US mirror instead of the local.06:42
MilhousePunkRockcellofellow: Fedora is binary too, isn't it?06:43
Hobbseecellofellow: how does that help?06:43
cellofellowyeah, but you have to BUILD ALSA.06:43
cellofellowHobbsee: not sure, still doing the apt-get update thing.06:43
MilhousePunkRockcellofellow: That's not more than ./configure && make && make install06:43
cellofellowJust maybe the local mirror is out of sync.06:43
Hobbseecellofellow: US is also a mirror06:43
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cellofellowMilhousePunkRock: yeah, but lots of package depend on alsa, and they won't install without it being there as a package.06:44
cellofellowJust not worth it.06:44
MilhousePunkRockShouldn't _the_ server be in South Africa? Or doesn't Shuttleworth live there=06:44
Hobbseecellofellow: but perhaps you should use logic - if there's an RC coming out, do you expect a whole lot of changes at the same time, or do you expect the archive to be more or less frozen?06:44
Hobbseecellofellow: hint:  the stuff in the topic may be useful, if you need it.06:44
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MilhousePunkRockcellofellow: Well, install the package, uninstall it, and only it, then rebuild it06:44
cellofellowHobbsee: All I know is I now have updates after switching back to the main US mirror.06:44
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HobbseeMilhousePunkRock: servers are in the UK, where the canonical offices are06:45
cellofellowMilhousePunkRock: yeah, well, I'm lazy. Sound ain't that important. I got the Tidal Wave effect working in Compiz for alerts, and I'm good.06:45
MilhousePunkRockHobbsee: Yeah, thought so... I guess people spill their teas on the servers quite often, uk.ubuntu.com often times out for me06:45
OldPinkHi all06:45
DanaGOh yeah, if all else fails, you can download the HG ALSA.06:45
OldPinkSince upgrading to Gutsy, my battery in the laptop isn't recognized06:46
DanaGMercurial.  It's a version-control system.06:46
OldPinkacpi -s :   Battery 1: slot empty06:46
HobbseeMilhousePunkRock: uk.a.u.c is another mirror.06:46
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MilhousePunkRockcellofellow: Since *buntu is the most popular distro, I am sure someone has already built the .deb package for your needs... Check for a debian package too, but beware that it might break...06:47
silkcomI'm trying to figure out how to autostart synergy before login but after X anyone know how?06:47
cellofellowOk, I need to remember to use the local mirrors only on STABLE distros.06:47
DanaGsilkcom: perhaps add it as a background program in gdm.conf-custom.06:47
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 127773 in hal "A/C Status, CPU Temp, and Battery no longer recognized as present after upgrade to Gutsy in Dell Latitude L400" [Medium,Confirmed] 06:47
silkcomwhat about if Im running kdm?06:47
Hobbseecellofellow: if you use the master archive, like a lot of other people, it'll slow down to a crawl06:47
MilhousePunkRocksilkcom: I think I read how it can be done a while back. So the info is out there...06:47
cellofellowMilhousePunkRock: the fix is posted as a comment on the bug report in launchpad. But I'm too stupid to figure this one out. ALSA confuses me.06:47
silkcom:) im sure it's somewhere06:48
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cellofellowHobbsee: my internet is too slow to notice.06:48
silkcomactually i think it would be ok for it to load whenever, it doesn't seem to be an x program06:48
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silkcomanytime after my network starts up06:48
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MilhousePunkRocksilkcom: It's not... So maybe it's just a one line script?06:48
DanaGand san1.csc.calpoly.edu.06:49
Hobbsee"if no one knows what the primary mirror is, then everyone wont use the primary mirror, and therefore trash it - particularly if it's strangely named"06:49
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hydrogenit would be nice for mirrors.ubuntu.com to be a round robin dns06:49
hydrogenthat just shovels the connector off06:49
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hydrogenat some attempt for load balancing06:49
DanaGYou ain't seen fast internet until you've downloaded from mirrors.kernel.org on a GbE connection.06:49
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cellofellowI do prefer the local mirrors, but the one I was using was out of date.06:50
DanaGIt goes so fast, you'll be bottlenecked by your hard drive.06:50
cellofellowThere are two (I think) in utah. mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu, and ubuntu.cs.utah.edu06:50
cellofellowxmission is a local ISP.06:50
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cellofellowbut the xmission one I was using was out of date, not keeping up with the updates.06:51
MilhousePunkRockHobbsee: The primary "mirror" isn't a mirror to be precise, is it?06:51
DanaGPut the local one above the official one in sources.list, and it'll be preferred if it's up to date.06:52
cellofellowah, ok06:52
HobbseeMilhousePunkRock: well, yeah.  primary archive would be better06:52
HobbseeDanaG: the order matters?06:52
Hobbseei thoght it was just done by apt priorities06:52
DanaGFor mirrors of the same distro, order does seem to matter.06:53
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DanaGI had to find that by googling for something like 'apt mirror priorities'.06:53
gnomefreakshouldnt it depends on what one was updated last?06:54
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ksivajiIs there any risk in upgrading from feisty to guisty now ?06:54
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cyclonutksivaji: sure.06:54
gnomefreakksivaji: always a risk upgrading06:54
Hobbseegnomefreak: latest version number.06:55
MilhousePunkRockSpeaking of such: How come my adept does not have the setting that are shown own Riddel's how-to pictures for upgrading to Gutsy?06:55
gnomefreakksivaji: it will be safest when its released but still back up06:55
Hobbseegnomefreak: think of your fun with ppa's.06:55
gnomefreakHobbsee: yes06:55
ksivajignomefreak ok06:55
gnomefreakHobbsee: i just uploaded tritiun to PPA :)06:55
MilhousePunkRockFor instance, settings for automatic update checks, as in configuring apt-notifier...06:55
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gnomefreakas long as repos are not commented out it should not matter what order they are in06:56
gnomefreakapt doesnt care if the chicken came before the egg it cares that its there06:57
thelaseris there any reason to prefer reinstalling after the official release, or is apt-get upgrading from the RC OK for a new system, assuming no severe breakage between now and then?06:57
gnomefreakthelaser: upgrade is fine06:57
gnomefreakthelaser:  gutsy > gutsy apt will get newest packages that it has in repos so if your on gutsy you will be updated along the releases with apt06:58
Konamsavvas you didn't told me what would those commands do?06:58
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thelaserdo we actually have an official RC iso, or just the daily "release candidate candidate"?06:59
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KonamI'm referring to this: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade06:59
Konamthen alt-f2 compiz --replace &06:59
musikgoatI'm having trouble keeping my clock correct when having it set to NTP.   when going to the time&date props and check different servers, but never does the time set correctly.06:59
MilhousePunkRockKonam: The first line will update your package list and get all upgrades07:00
SeipherIs anyone else finding that.  I am using a low end Radeon Mobility with the opensource drivers but like I said it wasn't a problem in Fiesty07:00
MilhousePunkRockKonam: The second will start compiz instead your current WM07:00
KonamMilhousePunkRock i know that, the second07:00
Seiphersigh, copy paste loses again.  Let me try that one more time07:00
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Hobbseethelaser: one becomes the other.  the RC is not out yet, no.07:00
SeipherI just recently did the upgrade from Feisty to the Gutsy beta/preview(?) and I am finding that compiz performance is significantly worse than it was when I installed trevino's stuff in Fiesty.07:00
KonamMilhousePunkRock and how do set my previous vm back gnome --replace &07:01
schrederwhat do I need to be abe07:01
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schrederable to play dvds in totem07:01
MilhousePunkRockKonam: I know nothing about Gnome07:01
KonamSeipher I found that it was better :)07:01
SeipherCould it be some old setting from before upgrading?07:01
cyclonutschreder: I usually grab whats necessary from easyubuntu07:01
KonamMilhousePunkRock so with kde "kde --replace &"07:01
Milos_SDWhen RC will be released ?07:01
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MilhousePunkRockschreder: lidvd? libcss?07:01
thelaserHobbsee: ah, thanks.  Where would the designation of a daily as the RC be made?07:01
cyclonutschreder: on the other hand, you could just install vlc and use that for everything07:02
MilhousePunkRock!rc | Milos_SD07:02
ubotuMilos_SD: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.07:02
SeipherI am also getting vertical line artifacts on the screen07:02
benzonIs it possible to use the Feisty Compiz-Fusino Reppos on Gutsy? because i want to try out some of the unsupported Plugins for Compiz07:02
benzonIs it possible to use the Feisty Compiz-Fusion Reppos on Gutsy? because i want to try out some of the unsupported Plugins for Compiz07:02
DanaGWhat I mean about priority is this:07:02
DanaGIf two mirrors have the SAME version of something, then the one listed first will be used first.07:03
Konambenzon the unsupported plugins are in gutsy repos too07:03
schrederwell I do have vlc, but I cant play dvds in it.. it doesn't show any error, it just doesn't play anything and totem complains about missing plugins07:03
bazhangnew updates for compiz-core 0.6!07:03
MilhousePunkRockschreder: Did you start VLC from the shell to see if there are errors you don't see otherwise?07:04
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SeipherIts quite odd.  I am using an older ati-mobility card with the opensource driver.  It worked fine on feisty though.  Now it is a bit choppy and I get these artifacts, vertical lines just to the right of windows and menus sometimes.07:04
MilhousePunkRockDanaG: So if I move my local mirror up in the list, it might be a blink faster?07:04
bazhangKonam: that would be kwin --replace &07:04
schrederlibdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/pixl/.dvdnav/VNINGSKR.map'07:05
schrederlibdvdread: Invalid main menu IFO (VIDEO_TS.IFO).07:05
schrederlibdvdnav: vm: faild to read VIDEO_TS.IFO07:05
schrederlibdvdread: Invalid IFO for VMGM (VIDEO_TS.IFO).07:05
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benzonKonam, cant find them tho what are they called?07:05
Konambazhang so gnome would be metacity --replace &?07:05
MilhousePunkRock!paste | schreder07:05
ubotuschreder: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)07:05
schrederthen it complains about not being able to read the disk07:05
schrederoops :)07:06
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Konambenzon search for compiz and they should appera on the list07:06
musikgoatI'm having trouble keeping my clock correct when having it set to NTP.   when going to the time&date props and check different servers, but never does the time set correctly.07:06
schrederMilhousePunkRock, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40275/07:06
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benzonKonam, hmmm they cant find them when i search only extras and main addons07:07
MilhousePunkRockschreder: Line 3 has it, you will need libcss07:07
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MilhousePunkRockschreder: Which is illegal in some countries, by the way...07:07
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benzonKonam, compiz-fusion-plugins-extra, compiz-fusion-plugins-main, compiz-plugins07:08
milos83when is rc going to be released?07:08
Pici!rc | milos8307:08
ubotumilos83: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.07:08
MilhousePunkRock!rc | milos8307:08
Konambenzon my bad, they aren't in the gutsy repos07:08
Hobbsee!rc | milos8307:08
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benzonKonam ;) will the Reppo for Feisty work or ?07:09
schrederMilhousePunkRock, eh.. why is that? :P07:09
Hobbseehey, we didnt have anyone asking that for around half an hour it seems!  that was good!07:09
schrederso its illegal to play encrypted dvds?07:09
virtuelvdoes anyone know if some of the blacklisted cards in compiz-fusion are going to get off the blacklist before release?07:09
virtuelvschreder: only in the US07:09
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MilhousePunkRockschreder: Well... Ask the industry, or the government... That does not hinder you from installing libcss, does it?07:09
savvasHobbsee: haha, that was your part of ubotu's artificial intelligence I suppose :p07:09
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schrederno.. i was just wandering why :D07:10
Hobbseesavvas: :)07:10
MilhousePunkRockWeird enough that we are talking about _playing_ which should be your right if you bought/rented a DVD...07:10
Konambenzon it depends, if its the trevio repo I think they will not be installed. bizarre yea, but it happened to my trying to get his AWN build on gutsy07:10
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gabbarinhoso how come VLC is legal?07:10
gabbarinhoit plays DVD without add-on codecs, doesn't it?07:11
MilhousePunkRockgabbarinho: You can purely use free codecs...07:11
MilhousePunkRockgabbarinho: Apparently not, ask schreder07:11
cyclonut(VLC plays DVD's perfectly without addons for me...)07:11
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gabbarinhoI thought so07:11
darkzeroGreeting all07:11
savvascyclonut: encrypted ones?07:11
benzonKonam, okay - so did you get AWN to work on Gutsy then from the reppo ?07:12
gabbarinhoaren't almost all DVDs encrypted?07:12
cyclonutsavvas: well, any dvd on my shelf07:12
gabbarinhoit seems to play all the movies I have07:12
bazhangdarkzero: the experts are here now.07:12
Konambenzon no, I will build one myself07:12
MilhousePunkRockI never even tried to play DVDs on the PC... Not back in Windows, not here...07:12
benzonKonam okay :)07:12
gabbarinhoI used to back when DVD players were kind of expensive07:13
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cyclonutI dont own a TV so I've not got much choice :-P07:13
gabbarinhostill do sometimes07:13
darkzeroSo, is the RC1 releases and all bugs fix complete or almost?07:14
MilhousePunkRockWell, my girlfriend was sick lately, so we watched a DVD in bed lately... That was on her Windows laptop though, VLC popped right up and played it...07:14
schrederwoohoo now I can play that dvd :D07:14
MilhousePunkRockdarkzero: If there are no severe problems, the RC is identical to the final release...07:15
MilhousePunkRockschreder: libcss?07:15
gabbarinhois that already out?07:15
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schrederwhy is it not in the repository?07:15
gabbarinhois it the RC that you're having the lid problem with, cyclo?07:15
MilhousePunkRockschreder: That should be in multiverse, I guess, along with the mp3 codec and such07:16
cyclonutI dont even think the RC is out yet07:16
darkzero<MilhousePunkRock>I see, but I hope they fix the sound problems which alot of people and myself been haivng.07:16
cyclonutgabbarinho: it is with all latest updates installed that I am having hte lid problem with, as well as kernel panics07:16
schrederMilhousePunkRock, i installed it with a script in libdvdread3 package07:16
gabbarinhowhat's your complaint with the RC?07:16
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xMothis it possible to test KDE4 in Gutsy?07:16
gabbarinhoI forgot about the kernal panics07:16
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gabbarinhomust be frustrating for you07:17
Matir`cyclonut, when do you get kernel panics?07:17
MilhousePunkRockxMoth: Yes. Look at http://kubuntu.org in the KDE Beta release message07:17
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Pici!kde4 | xMoth07:17
ubotuxMoth: KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php07:17
cyclonutMatir`: seemingly randomly... often with a java-based app running, frequently with Azureus, less so with Eclipse07:17
cyclonuttried swapping the java versions, from 1.6 to 1.5 with no improvement (though 1.5 uses less memory...)07:19
MilhousePunkRockcyclonut: Dump Azureus, it's bloatware... KTorrent is nice and slim07:19
cyclonutMilhousePunkRock: Dont really want to install the kde libs07:19
MilhousePunkRockcyclonut: Even torrent with Wine is better07:19
gabbarinhomaybe open source software is just dodgy, like imported drugs from canada07:19
bazhangtransmission is nice too07:19
darkzeroif your using gnome desktop us deluge-torrent07:19
darkzeroits the best07:19
cyclonutMilhousePunkRock: and utorrent (nice work on the mu symbol) doesn't work for me07:19
MilhousePunkRockbazhang: Isn't that for mac?07:19
cyclonutdeluge eh07:19
bazhangand Linux07:19
darkzerouse deluge-torrent07:20
darkzeroI meant to say07:20
gabbarinhodoes anybody use Windows in VMware?07:20
MilhousePunkRockcyclonut: It's Alt-Gr+m here... I need it a lot for uni work... L and such07:20
cyclonutdoes deluge have some sort of peerblocker plugin?07:20
darkzeroyeah it does07:20
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MilhousePunkRockgabbarinho: I tried, required activation, never done it, now it's locked07:20
cyclonutMilhousePunkRock: got nothin07:20
OldPinkReally need help with this guys, any ideas?07:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 127773 in hal "A/C Status, CPU Temp, and Battery no longer recognized as present after upgrade to Gutsy in Dell Latitude L400" [Medium,Confirmed] 07:20
gabbarinhoI was wondering about the performance07:21
gabbarinhoI still need Windows for a few things07:21
MilhousePunkRockgabbarinho: I got it to boot, at least. Network never worked for me... I never tried hard though...07:21
gabbarinhoit does look a bit of work to set up07:21
savvasHobbsee: can you check something for me, if it's correct or not? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/15160507:21
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151605 in ubuntu "initramfs-tools should be depending on util-linux package" [Undecided,New] 07:21
MilhousePunkRockOldPink: Did you reboot? Happens to me all the time when hal is updated, goes away after reboot07:21
gabbarinhohow's performance with WINE?07:22
OldPinkYeah, rebooted 3 times now07:22
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OldPinkMilhousePunkRock: Rebooted many times, at least once after each change07:22
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MilhousePunkRockgabbarinho: Performance was a little worse than native, but not unusable in vmware...07:22
DanaGOh yeah, I have to go now.07:22
OldPinkMilhousePunkRock: WIll it be hal or hal-info based?07:22
gabbarinhoonly a little worse? that's better than I expected07:22
DanaGThe best way to find a fast mirror is to google for "ubuntu mirrors", find one in your area, and try downloading something large.07:22
Trewascompiz does not support two monitor setups (configured as two separate X screens)? the first screens works ok but the second one is missing all window decorations07:23
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Hobbseesavvas: no idea if that's correct07:23
Hobbseesavvas: should be under the source of whatever initramfs-tools is, though07:23
xMothin some cases wine is better than windows07:23
MilhousePunkRockOldPink: No idea, I only noticed that the battery info disappears when hal is updated...07:23
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gabbarinhotre, i have no idea how to do it, but i've seen youtube clips of compiz running on two monitors07:23
gabbarinhohow does that work, moth?07:24
MilhousePunkRockgabbarinho: Won't that work automagically when you have a working dual-head setup?07:24
xMothgabbarinho: http://wiki.winehq.org/BenchMarks?action=show07:24
savvasHobbsee: initramfs-tools should be directly depending on util-linux then?07:24
gabbarinhoi guess so, but Trewas says he has problems07:24
Hobbseesavvas: like i say, i dont know07:24
savvasHobbsee: ok thanks :)07:25
gabbarinhointeresting stuff, moth - thanks for the link07:25
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MilhousePunkRockWhat happened to #ubuntu-effects ?07:25
gnomefreakMilhousePunkRock: its there07:25
gabbarinhoi guess emulation has come a long way07:25
MilhousePunkRockWhy does nobody use it then, gnomefreak ;)07:25
gnomefreakthey do07:26
gnomefreakwe do07:26
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gabbarinhoWINE's another thing I don't look forward to figuring out, though I'll have to do it07:26
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gnomefreakMilhousePunkRock: right now people are kind of busy trying to get ubuntu gutsy so you can use it but im sure we can all stop fixing gutsy to support people in -effects07:26
darkzeroHmm, is there a way to upgrade all gnome app in feisty with gutsy?07:26
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Trewasgabbarinho, MilhousePunkRock: I guess the problem is that I have configured dual-head as two separate screens (no way to move windows between screens etc), but that's for a reason because the second "monitor" is tv so I really want to keep them separate07:27
gnomefreakdarkzero: upgrade to gutsy07:27
MilhousePunkRockgnomefreak: Not if I was to decide... I am not a big fan of all the effects...07:27
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gabbarinhoisn't there a #compiz-fusion?07:27
gnomefreakgabbarinho: yes07:27
gnomefreakand a #compiz07:27
gabbarinhothey might know better :)07:27
gnomefreakand a bunch of others07:27
darkzerocompiz-fusion need work and update the latest with compiz-fusion.org been releasing07:28
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mzuverinkI used aptitude to add xubuntu-desktop on a server install, how can I get it to totally remove everything xubuntu-desktop installed?07:29
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dennisharrisonhey guys, how can I turn off banshee from starting everytime I plug in a usb memory device?07:30
darkzero<gnomefreak>does it really work?07:30
gnomefreakdarkzero: does what really work?07:30
gnomefreakdarkzero: gutys?07:30
darkzero<gnomefreak>upgrtade gnome desktop on feisty from gutsy07:31
gnomefreakdarkzero: gutsy works for some some it doesnt its not stable yet but will be in a week or 207:31
gnomefreakdarkzero: you have to upgrade your whole system not just gnome07:31
gnomefreak!upgrade | darkzero07:31
ubotudarkzero: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes07:31
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gabbarinhois there any way to pull up a running program with a keyboard shortcut?07:32
dennisharrisonalt tab? ;p07:32
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gabbarinhosay, if i had a firefox window with gmail running07:32
xMothWhy did they delete the Gutsy Betas from the servers?07:32
dennisharrisonuse opera if you want to leave something running gabbarinho07:32
gabbarinhoyeah, well... an faster alternative to alt-tab :)07:32
Theoryto make space for the upcoming release candidate07:32
gabbarinhoopera is actually how i got the idea07:32
dennisharrisonff has memory leaks currently07:32
darkzero<gnomefreak>Sa, do you have a sound problem when playing a cd or mkv and ogn video files?07:33
dennisharrisonrelated to javascript07:33
gabbarinhoi always have a google notebook open, and a g-mail, and a notepad, etc07:33
dennisharrisonyeah use opera for those07:33
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dennisharrisonand then assign the shortcuts there07:33
dennisharrisonI do the same07:33
dennisharrisonhave it all in another desktop07:33
gabbarinhoif i could use the numpad to pull up any of those programs it'd be great07:33
Pici!enter | dennisharrison07:33
ubotudennisharrison: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!07:33
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dennisharrisonthanks Pici07:33
gabbarinhoi'm glad somebody else does it07:33
gabbarinhounfortunately opera doesn't really work with google notebook07:34
dennisharrisonmost of my friends have it setup like that too :)07:34
gabbarinhofirst, there's no plug-in07:34
gabbarinhoit kind of works07:34
gabbarinhobut some features are buggy or don't appear at all07:34
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dennisharrisonhmm, I know you could assign a shortcut key to a program but not sure about the tab.  Maybe they have an addon for that in ff ?07:35
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cyclonutto switch to a certain tab in FF you can use ctrl + 1 or ctrl +2, etc07:36
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gabbarinhogood question07:36
gabbarinhooh, that's useful07:36
gabbarinhoi am looking for a little more though07:36
gabbarinhoi'd have to have that firefox window active07:36
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gabbarinhoi'm looking for a way to pull up window x at any time with the press of a key07:37
dennisharrisonyou could copy ff gabbarinho and have a different profile in use07:37
gabbarinhosay, "4" brings up VLC player, "1" for the firefox window with gmail, etc07:37
dennisharrisonthen have that particular binary and profile for only your google stuff07:37
gabbarinhothat sounds good, but i'm not sure what you mean :)07:38
dennisharrisonanyone here have the quick way for disabling banshee from popping up everytime I plug a damn usb memory device in?07:38
savvasdennisharrison: system > preferences > removable device..07:39
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savvasdennisharrison: removable drives and media, sorry07:39
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pookeydid the release candidate come out today?07:39
savvasdennisharrison: head to the multimedia tab and uncheck the last one07:39
dennisharrisongabbarinho, look at where firefox is on your system, copy it somewhere else, call it gfox or something, erase the profile from it, setup a new one call it googleizer or something, then setup the default tabs in there on start. make sure to call the binary something different (not sure it will work) and then you can just hot key that window.  It will still be ff, but just a different process with a different name, so you c07:40
dennisharrisonan target it specifically07:40
dennisharrisonsavvas, thank you much :)  Just upgraded finally07:40
xMoth!rc | pookey07:40
ubotupookey: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.07:40
gabbarinhoah, I understand now07:40
gabbarinhoit's not a bad idea07:40
dennisharrisonits not a good idea either ;p07:41
mzuverinkmy server install(just installed)says release candidate already I believe07:41
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pookeyxMoth: I have a feeling that's meant to be witty, but it's phrased really badly, so I'm not sure ;)07:41
xMothI hope that it'll be released today07:41
savvasmzuverink: where does it say that?07:41
mzuverinkhow do you get a version output?07:42
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savvasthat's what I want to know ;)07:42
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IndyGunFreaki want to know when gparted will be fixed in Gutsy..lol07:43
pookeyxMoth: do you know where the changelog is?07:43
pookeyah, it'so k - I found it TI think07:43
Picipookey: Why is it phrased bady?07:43
Picibadly even.07:43
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pookeyPici: it makes me think someone just asked that question, and it's 2 hours since then.07:44
Konamsavvas the command didn't did the trick, I'm still getting it: http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3956/pantallazoml6.png07:45
xMothi wonder that they didnt give a time ^^07:45
pookeyand if it's that common a question today, it should probably be in teh topic anyway :)07:46
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fluffleshi people, the 7.10-beta is gone, is the RC coming within hours or days?07:47
MTecknologyhow can I make that [...]  in lanuchpad so a bug i submit doesn't take 1/2 hour to read?07:47
pookeyfluffles: 2 hours from just a few seconds ago as far as I can tell07:47
Pici!rc | fluffles :)07:48
ubotufluffles :): The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.07:48
savvasKonam: remind me what the problem was07:48
flufflesok then i'll wait for it07:48
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dennisharrisonfree beer tomorrow07:48
gabbarinhohow many people actually use ubuntu?07:48
gabbarinhoor variants07:48
dennisharrisongabbarinho, about 307:48
fluffleswell i can't download the beta so thats kind of weird :)07:48
pookeydennisharrison: I think it was 4 at the last count07:48
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fluffles"The beta images have been removed to make space on mirrors for the upcoming release candidate. Please check back soon."07:49
hitplaying flash in firefox produces this: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave07:49
hitany ideas?07:49
dennisharrisonpookey, yeah... very small user base.  Most people use slack.  It's the bomb07:49
gabbarinhothose numbers sound inflated to me07:49
pookeydennisharrison: 'da bomb', obviuosly.07:49
dennisharrisonpookey, clearly :)07:49
Konamsavvas white slashes on the windows borders with compiz enabled, look at the image:  http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3956/pantallazoml6.png07:49
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dennisharrisonKonam, that is a compiz thing07:50
dennisharrisonwhat video driver?07:50
Konamdennisharrison nvidia, the one that gutsy installed07:50
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dennisharrisonKonam, what video card? is this on a laptop?07:50
Konamdennisharrison I know is a compiz thing but this happens to me on a default installation so this _will_ happen to some people whis the stable release07:51
dennisharrisonand, what happens when you minimize the window then bring it back up?07:51
savvasKonam: apt-cache policy compiz, the installed and candidate versions?07:51
Konamno, is my desktop, nvidia fx5200 128MB07:51
dennisharrisonwhat happens when you minimize and bring it back up?07:52
Konamsavvas  Installed: 1:0.6.0+git20071008-0ubuntu1 Candidate: 1:0.6.0+git20071008-0ubuntu107:52
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bastid_raZorsavvas: removing and reinstall nvidia-glx-new solved my problems07:53
savvasbastid_raZor: great!07:53
IndyGunFreakanyone know how to install avant window manager for gutsy?07:53
dennisharrisonIndyGunFreak, compile it from source ?07:53
bastid_raZorsavvas: yeah, if only now i could get my tweaks for dual monitors back in order ;)07:53
IndyGunFreakdennisharrison: guess i didn't think of that...lol,07:54
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about avant - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi07:54
PiciIndyGunFreak: add: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42/ gutsy avant-window-navigator07:54
Piciand: deb-src http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42/ gutsy avant-window-navigator07:54
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bastid_raZorsavvas: the toolbars top and bottom run through both screens when i want it to stay in the first only.07:54
IndyGunFreakPici: ok07:54
bastid_raZorbesides that small small issue.. all is great in land of gutsy07:54
hetaumais it possible to set different backgrounds for each workspace in compiz ?07:54
savvasbastid_raZor: maybe it's time for a bug report, or ask someone else, I have an old crt monitor :P07:55
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dennisharrisonbastid_raZor, I have the same, but I wanted it that way :)07:55
savvasKonam: without the compiz you don't have that problem, right?07:55
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Konamsavvas right07:55
bastid_raZordennisharrison: i tend to keep several things in my 2nd monitor that i want to use that little extra bit of desk space07:56
dennisharrisonsavvas, correct, the problem he has is from the card and driver combination, but it is really a compiz bug07:56
bastid_raZorplus, i dislike how it puts some dialog windows in both windows07:56
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ubotuThe Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.07:56
dennisharrisonKonam, update the nvidia driver and see if that does it, if not I will help you disable some vertex options07:56
bastid_raZorsavvas: thanks for all the help earlier. i'm not sure if that is a bug or how my xorg.conf is tweaked.. i have a friend who will help shortly07:57
dennisharrisonbastid_raZor, yeah hrmm... not sure compiz supports that?07:57
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hetaumawhat is rc ?07:57
dennisharrisonremote control07:57
Picihetauma: release candidate07:57
bastid_raZordennisharrison: in fiesty i had it working like a charm and at this moment i'm running emerald --replace with zero issues07:57
Col-Panicreally cool07:57
dennisharrisonPici, shhhh ;p07:57
dennisharrisonCol-Panic, lol07:57
Konamdennisharrison update it? if there is an update ubuntu will notify me...07:58
hetaumaPici, for the next release? after gutsy ?07:58
dennisharrisonbastid_raZor, you are a better man then I when it comes to that then :)  Wish I could help07:58
Konamdennisharrison I've checked it and there aren't any updates07:58
Picihetauma: er, no for Gutsy07:58
Pici!rc | hetauma07:58
ubotuhetauma: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.07:58
StevethepirateHi, my Xserver has crashed, attempts to start in "low graphics" mode.. but is fail.07:58
Stevethepirateany help?07:58
dennisharrisonKonam, get the binary driver from nvidia07:58
bastid_raZordennisharrison: i sorta cheated. i have a friend who is a mac freak who likes to tinker with linux.07:58
dennisharrisonStevethepirate, fail as in?  What does the log say?07:58
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savvasKonam: have you posted the bug yet? http://bugs.ubuntu.com07:59
dennisharrisonbastid_raZor, his name isn't bitmonk huh? ;p07:59
Stevethepiratedennisharrison: the log reports no EE's or WW07:59
Stevethepiratebut X doesn't start properly.07:59
Stevethepirate-Doesn't start-07:59
Col-Panic /leave07:59
dennisharrisonStevethepirate, any help in error messages?07:59
Konamsavvas no, I thought it will have a workaround or something07:59
StevethepirateNone whatsoever07:59
savvasCol-Panic: the exit is on your left ;)07:59
bastid_raZorStevethepirate: i fixed my issues. apt-get remove nvidia* then install nvidia-glx-new and all the recommended things it wants07:59
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savvasKonam: I think it's a bug, try and report it08:00
Stevethepiratebastid_raZor: sure?08:00
Col-Panicsavvas: I was hoping somebody else tried that as well ;)08:00
dennisharrisonStevethepirate, wow, ok, have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver yet?08:00
bastid_raZorStevethepirate: what i found out is you need to reinstall nvidia drivers.. and Yes.. i had your same issue an hour ago08:00
dennisharrisonKonam, before you report the bug try to update your video drivers08:00
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dennisharrisonKonam, so you have something to report08:00
Stevethepiratedennisharrison: about 10^4 times08:01
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dennisharrisonStevethepirate, ahh well then check out what bastid_raZor said then.  I was just shooting in the dark ;p08:01
Konamdennisharrison is the same version: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkg108:01
fangoriousI used to have some custom modelines in my xorg.conf in feisty which at some point stopped being recognized. In gutsy I can use xrandr --newmode and xrandr --addmode to enable those resolutions, but I have to do it every time I boot. What's the way to add local startup stuff using upstart?08:01
Stevethepiratedennisharrison: doing so..08:01
dennisharrisonKonam, from nvidias website?08:02
Konamdennisharrison yes08:02
Stevethepirateupdating.. 4meg sec apt-get ftw08:02
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dennisharrisonKonam, try a beta driver, or roll back one to see if the behavior changes, or at least be extremely specific in your bug report08:02
lee__the right place08:02
bastid_raZorStevethepirate: aptitude install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic linux-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic nvidia-glx-new nvidia-kernel-common08:02
bastid_raZorStevethepirate: those are all the files i reinstalled08:02
Stevethepiratebastid_raZor: wait.. apt-get nvidia-glx-new08:03
Stevethepirateas you said08:03
Stevethepiratecan you pm them to me?08:03
Stevethepirateso i don't lose the list08:03
dennisharrisonStevethepirate, just do them all at one time ;p08:03
lee__eh I have an anti Card should I load my drivers from ati, which I seem to get flack when I do, or how or waht should I load?08:03
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lee__ati x30008:03
savvasmzuverink: lsb_release -a08:03
bastid_raZorStevethepirate: apt-get aptitude both install the same.08:03
Stevethepiratei know08:04
Konamdennisharrison I will back one08:04
Stevethepirate95% downloaded08:04
dennisharrisonKonam, ok, let me know I will be idling.  I know I can help you fix it08:04
Stevethepirategtf0 netsplit08:04
Konamdennisharrison ok, thanks. you experience something similar?08:05
lee__eh might i get an asnwer fer a sec lol08:05
bastid_raZorStevethepirate: restricted drivers nvidia should be in use after you finish the set up of nvidia drivers.08:05
dennisharrisonKonam, I used to do a bunch of plugin code for emerald08:05
bastid_raZorStevethepirate: after they install restart X and fingers crossed that should be it08:05
dennisharrisonKonam, did you get my /msg ?08:05
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lee__eh how do i set up the ati drivers? or should i go wiith the ones from ati?08:05
Stevethepiratebastid_raZor: reboot08:06
Konamdennisharrison one more thing, this is happening on a fresh installation so if it isn't adressed before the stable release some people might get it too08:06
Stevethepirateor sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart08:06
dennisharrisonlee__, I don't have any ati stuff here, but as far as I can tell you should use the ati drivers08:06
bastid_raZorStevethepirate: restart of X should be fine.08:06
Stevethepirateits not working08:06
dennisharrisonKonam, exactly why we want to find the resolution :)  Then you can file a truly helpful bug report08:06
Stevethepiratelet me restart08:06
lee__eh the ones from ati? or from here?08:06
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benzonhow do i refresh locate database?08:06
bastid_raZorStevethepirate: you have to do the nvidia setup08:07
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Konamdennisharrison ok, let me restart x08:07
fangoriousbenzon, sudo updatedb08:07
dennisharrisonlee__, I don't know what ati packaged gutsy has, but I would google it first.  If you can't find a satisfactory answer then use the ones ati provides08:07
lee__eh isnt there a - after update?08:07
lee__ahh ok08:07
benzoncodeset.m4 gettext.m4 glibc21.m4 iconv.m4 isc-posix.m4 lcmessage.m408:07
benzon  progtest.m4 --trying to find thes files need them to configure compiz-fusion unsupported08:07
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Stevethepiratebastid_raZor: naught.. doesn't work.08:09
lee__eh changing or to the drive brb08:10
bastid_raZor :|08:10
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The_Viperso.. about that rc :P08:10
bastid_raZorStevethepirate: were you using nvidia-glx-new before gutsy?08:10
darkzeroI figure what wrong with my sound08:10
darkzeroI just report a bug already08:10
Stevethepiratebastid_raZor: yeah.. think so.08:10
bastid_raZorStevethepirate: i'm at a loss.. that is how my issue was fixed08:11
darkzeroIts the new rhythmbox music player that has a cracking bass in the background08:11
Stevethepiratebastid_raZor: if i wasn't using nvidia-glx-new before ?08:11
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Stevethepiratelet me dpkg08:12
bastid_raZorStevethepirate: then you should not went with nvidia-glx-new this time.. one of the other versions of the driver08:12
Stevethepiratewhats the command..08:12
Stevethepiratexserver dpkg one.08:12
Picidpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?08:13
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bastid_raZorif i'm missing the icon on my toolbar for sound control.. i do i get that back? alsamixer works CLI so i do have sound functioning08:14
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bastid_raZorwait wait.. i found it :)08:14
bastid_raZorStevethepirate: it works??08:14
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hitanyone knows why playing flash in firefox produces this: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave?08:15
dennisharrisonhit, try OSS?08:15
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hithow should i change it?08:16
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hitchanged everything in gnome-sound-properties to OSS, but same error08:18
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lee__ok i am back08:19
lee__this is so woerd08:19
bastid_raZorto chmod an entire directory 755 i would chmod -R 755 directory ?08:19
cyclonutbastid_raZor: yes08:19
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savvasbastid_raZor: correct08:19
Stevethepiratebastid_raZor: okay, dpkg worked oaky08:19
Stevethepiratei've got x back now08:19
Stevethepiratebut its screwed08:20
lee__same computer 2 separate hdd same disk, one Ide and the sata, sata has effects the Ide don't08:20
bastid_raZornice, rhythmbox now tells me why it can not import and permissions is the reason :)08:20
cyclonuthooray for new version of intel vid driver08:20
enycbastid_raZor: I think so08:21
lee__that did my graphics in on my ide08:21
enycbastid_raZor: some things use -r some things use -R08:21
enycbastid_raZor: which is confusing ;-)08:21
bastid_raZor -R will chmod the directories below it as well?08:21
lee__this is so wierd08:21
enycbastid_raZor: well any files/dirs underneath08:21
benzonNeed some helt now trying to configure unsupported packet but i get a stopper some where installed the build packet - checking for COMPIZ... configure: error: Package requirements (compiz) were not met:08:21
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lee__hmm I didnt even get that on my ide drive08:22
lee__I just got...can't change08:22
bastid_raZorenyc: thanks08:22
enyclee__: ive had some weird things with disk interfaces08:23
enyclee__: had one that was fixed by bios upgrade.......08:23
lee__oh say how can I cahnge my setting to 85?08:23
enyclee__: ??my setting??08:23
lee__eh no I need to dig deeper then my settings lol08:24
enyclee__: dont understand08:24
lee__really enyc..that is iwerd08:24
filthpigHi, I'm having a slight problem with my wireless connection. I have a Linksys WUSB54GC device, which uses the rt73 chipset (and rt73usb driver). In Feisty it didn't work at all, but now in Gutsy it does :)  But there are a few bugs: When I turn on my computer I have to wait for a few minutes before the Network Manager asks for the wep key (It never remembers the wep-key). Sometimes the device just stops working. To get it to work I have to u08:24
enyclee__: hrrm ... its definitely happened to me tho.. ;-)08:24
lee__I  need to go into  the prgram its self to change the setting to 85 mhz08:24
benzonIs there gonna be a reppo with Compiz-Fusion Packs avalible for Gutsy ?08:25
lee__I have an hour glass sahpe on the screen and I don't want to kill my one and only monitor lol08:25
Picibenzon: c-f is in gutsy by default.08:25
lee__enyc, Maybe that is waht happend to me lol08:25
enyclee__: note that feisty/gutsy introduce more "libata" drivers that represent PATA (''ide'') drives as  /dev/sd? "scsi" devices  rather than /dev/hd? "wd1003/ide" type devices08:25
filthpigCan anyone help me out? dmesg also gives an error frequently: [ 9450.707111]  phy3 -> rt2x00usb_vendor_request: Error - Vendor Request 0x07 failed for offset 0x308c with error -110.08:25
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benzonPici, i know but not the unsupported plugins08:25
enyclee__: i.e. have 'new drivers' for some PATA(''ide'') controllers, so may change things from edgy/before...08:26
lee__ahh, ok well its calling my sata a scsi08:26
enyclee__: always does08:26
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enyclee__: but Pata('ide') may be "hd?" or "sd?"08:26
enyclee__: ieee1934/usb are "sd?" as well...08:26
lee__ahhh, I realsied that when I found out taht I was loading to my Sd card08:27
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bastid_raZoryuk, low power surges..08:27
lee__OOOHH serial devices not...eh ok I understnad08:27
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lee__I am using a 12volt inverter taht steps it up to 12008:27
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lee__uses less juice, cheapr elctric bill lol08:28
databuddydo i really need trackerd?08:28
databuddythe thing just gobbles up ram...08:28
lee__ok my other question then is how do I go into the program its self to set my refresh rate manualy?08:29
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lee__evanlec you sure do get around lol08:29
databuddyin compiz?08:29
databuddyccsm > general settings08:30
databuddylook for vert refresh08:30
Evanleclee__, im not sure how to take that ;p08:30
John64does anyone know when RC is going on the mirrors08:30
lee__I under stand frequnceis08:30
lee__eh waht about terminal?08:31
Picidatabuddy: ?08:31
lee__Iam talking about getting to the "Heart" of the issue08:31
databuddyPici ?08:31
Picidatabuddy: What was the ........ for?08:31
databuddyforget it....08:31
lee__going in the e.org file08:31
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lee__eh x.org08:32
Evanlecis there a way to have vim work in sort of "real-time" mode, i want it to write the file out basically everytime i make a change (doing css and saving it a thousand times to test things is annoying)08:32
lee__I did once but ost my notes08:32
Col-Panic!rc | John6408:32
ubotuJohn64: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.08:32
databuddywe're scr3wed then D:08:33
addoswhen is the rc going to get released?08:33
PiciEvanlec: Have you asked in #vim or #ubuntu-offtopic ?08:33
databuddywe had like 45 sec to go that time too....08:33
EvanlecPici, no i spose i will do that08:33
lee__ok heres a better explanation, How to I edit the guts of x.org file folder that contians the video driovers08:33
addosis it now? How about now? Now?!?! Maybe? Sorta kinda? How about now?08:34
databuddysudo dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg08:34
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto08:34
Col-PanicSomebody should create a dummy project called "rc" and release it08:34
enycHrrrm.... what are the "base" packages that gutsy x86 normally installs?08:34
Col-PanicThis way we can claim everybody's asking for that project08:34
enycI do not have linux 2.6.22 at the moment... I want to know what 'base' packages the gutsy installer normally puts on08:34
lee__Ijust want to edit the drivers not the entire thing lol08:35
Picilee__: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf08:35
xMothwhere will the rc be released?08:35
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lee__ahhhhhhh 8 shouts THATS ZIT LOL08:35
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xMothat http://releases.ubuntu.com or at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/08:36
Col-PanicWhy will the RC be released?08:36
xMothLoLmaybe ther is no RC08:36
StevethepirateWhy does my mp3 support for amarok fail when on gutsy?08:37
PiciStevethepirate: fail? I havent had any issues with it08:37
addoswe need mark shuttleworth to come in here and set the record straight08:37
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StevethepiratePici: well.08:37
StevethepirateMp3's were working for me on feisty08:38
Stevethepiratebut now don't work08:38
Stevethepirateon gutsy08:38
addosI've had the codec installer crash for me08:38
addoson beta 108:38
addoshopefully RC/Final will be more stable08:38
xMothmy mp3's work on gutsy08:39
dennisharrisonaddos, yeah, beta and rc are going to have a world of difference between them in stability ;p08:39
bastid_raZorStevethepirate: you may need to reinstall codecs08:39
Stevethepiratedennisharrison: hope so.08:39
bastid_raZori'm having the same issues with rhythmbox08:39
dennisharrisonStevethepirate, just reinstall all the codecs08:39
PiciStevethepirate: Is this an upgrade or a fresh install?08:39
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John64rc is up!!!08:39
bastid_raZorwhat does tracker do? besides take large chunks of my RAM?08:40
xMothYEAH rc is UP08:40
skinnypuppy34I'd like to know the same08:40
`Matirwhere is rc?08:40
xMoth@ http://releases.ubuntu.com/08:41
avatar_hmm, nl.releases is not in sync yet08:41
Col-Panicde is08:42
xMothim loading it from http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy. It's very fast. 1600KB/s08:42
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John64is there going to be much difference between RC and Final?08:42
`MatirJohn64, not unless things are broken.08:42
xMothJohn64: Hopefully not08:42
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OldPin1any ideas at all?08:42
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chrisn_Not sure if anyone is interested but I managed to fix the compiz problem I was having.  Needed to remove xserver-xgl.08:43
Ximalhey guys.. i just let my screensaver startup and it killed an app..08:43
Ximali was using k9 copy08:43
chrisn_Runs like a dream again08:43
John64so it is safe to install RC and just aptitude upgrade later08:43
PiciIt should be08:43
Ximaldoes that mean it's stillrunning ?  i don't see it in system monitor though08:43
darkzerogutsy missing libxine-extracodecs08:43
kingrayrayDoes anybody use MPD?08:43
xMothyeah i'll have the RCin 5 mins08:44
chrisn_On a related note does anyone know why emerald doesn't have any themes anymore?08:44
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John64xMoth: which mirror08:45
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darkzerochrism, install emerald-themes08:45
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John64thanks, iwas looking at cdimage08:46
OldPinkWhen I use  2.6.22-14-generic, there's no battery information, the battery isn't recognized, it's always "on AC power" It's fine in 2.6.20-16-generic. Help?08:46
chrisn_<-Working slow today Darkzero, thanks08:46
Ximalanyone ?08:46
xMothstill 1.5misleft08:48
ubotuThe Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.08:48
xMothlol ubotu is wrong08:48
chrisn_darkzero hmmm that must not be in the default repository.  I am not seeing it08:48
PriceChildxMoth, ubotu is never wrong08:48
Col-PanicXimal: Was the app attacking the screen?08:48
kingrayraychrisn_: you could always get themes manually from gnome-look.org :-)08:48
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chrisn_That's what I was gonna do08:49
darkzero<chrisn_>make sure you repository unverse is check08:50
letalisanyone have a release date for gutsy officially?08:50
darkzero<chrisn_>universe is check I meant08:50
xMoth!wiki GUtsy Gibbon08:50
Col-Paniclatalis: Should be next week08:51
xMoth!wiki GutsyGibbon08:51
letalis!wiki gutsy gibbon08:51
Picithere is no !wiki08:51
Piciletalis: 18th08:51
darkzeroRC will release soon08:51
Picidarkzero: its out08:51
letalisyeah obotu told me he isnt that intelligent.08:51
ubotuGutsy Gibbon (7.10) *RC* information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - This is development software and as such unstable, support *ONLY* in #ubuntu+108:51
xMothRC is out NOW08:51
darkzero<Pici>it not in the cdimage.ubuntu.com yet08:52
Picidarkzero: http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/08:52
TheInfinitynext try booting ubuntu instead of mac osx for testing? :)08:53
darkzero<Pici>oh ok08:54
letalisso far im liking gutsy, other than the minor inconvienence of no framebuffer support that works in the console and compiz dying on occasion08:56
darkzerodvd version of rc isn't out yet08:56
darkzeromaybe later on08:56
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doug1is anyone else having problems with hamachi on gusty?08:58
letalisall i know is back in 1999 when i first started messing with linux i never imagined that there would ever be a distro that was so easy to get setup and yet not sacrifice anything in the way of advanced stuff08:58
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Konamdennisharrison did you get my msg?09:02
darkzerohaha, I just resolve the libxine-extracodecs problem09:03
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kingrayrayletalis: hehe i started with Gentoo, thinking it would fit my power-user needs best, but now ubuntu is where it's at :)!09:04
Skelet0nmy wireless in gusty will not work09:04
Skelet0ni need help!09:04
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letalisgentoo has a neat perspective on the linux distro, build it from scratch on your own box so everything is custom tailored to your setup09:05
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ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs09:06
kingrayrayletalis: yeah, but it really isn't necessary, the benefits were barely noticable for me09:06
kingrayraynot to mention updating was an overnight process, opposed to 10 mins here09:06
kingrayrayand whenever there was a new glibc, you had to rebuild everything09:07
kingrayraycompiling KDE takes like two days on my box. no fun09:07
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lee__how do i edit the second hdd that has the same program in it?09:10
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lee__hi icarus09:11
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lee__whats the  comad for editing the heart of a config..is emac?09:12
lee__or waht?09:12
lee__or can you edit such a thing?09:12
lee__on a secondary hdd?09:12
Col-Panicletalis: Maybe when I have my QuadCore...09:12
kingrayraylee__: what do you mean by "heart of a config" ?09:12
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lee__I backed up some the x11.org file and I need now to replace taht file on my other hdd..ehh all I get is a black screen09:13
enychrrm there is a problem in gutsy for me... can no longer use "ogg123" from vorbis-tools!09:13
Skelet0nmy wireless in gusty will not work09:13
ubotuIt is spelt !guTSy :)09:13
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information09:14
lee__well i have gutsy that gave me plain screen lol on an ide hdd and all the goodies on my sata09:14
kingrayrayyou can copy the goodies back if you want09:14
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lee__thatys waht i am trying to do lol..but firt i need it to at least boot lol09:15
enycright... in gutsy I can use neither mpg321 or ogg123 (which use libao)... but I can use  Mikmod and Playmidi  okay... and the ubuntu login sounds are okay!09:15
lee__i need to edit the xorg conf09:15
kingrayraylee__: try to use nano from a terminal09:16
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enycI have snd_ (also) drivers loaded okay no problem.. but something about gutsy is creating errors when using libao programs!!!! help ;-)09:16
kingrayraylike, nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf09:16
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lee__bur it saying permision denied when i use the terminal..so am wondering.. is it an e-mc preference?09:16
boris__what does "nano" command mean ?09:16
kingrayraylee__: no09:16
kingrayrayboris__: nano is a command line text editor.09:16
enycboris__:  a text editor09:16
kingrayraylee__: try with sudo09:17
kingrayraysudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf09:17
lee__eh ok... whats the file extensions?09:17
lee__oh ty...09:17
kingrayrayand if you didnt know, the ^ symbol before all the commands at the bottom means the ctrl key09:17
lee__eh in this case its on a second hdd09:17
boris__kingray : same as gedit just it is command line ?09:18
kingrayrayboris__: basically09:18
boris__ok ty09:18
boris__i prefer gedit vastly09:18
mc44lee__: what are you trying to do? copy a config file from another hard disk to your current install?09:18
kingrayrayboris__: when you don't have X running you can't use gedit :)09:19
lee__no visa versa....well trying to coppy the back up i made befor i chasnged everyhting lol09:19
lee__i have it stored on a card09:19
enyc*** I would appreciate if somebody with gutsy and working sound *test* using ogg123 or mpg321 on a .ogg/.mp3 file for me -- I need to know if this is a generic gutsy problem or more-specific-to-me ...09:19
mc44lee__: a card?09:19
lee__eh i am using my back up09:19
kingrayrayenyc: one moment i will test mine09:20
lee__I took the the x.org and alias files and saved them09:20
enyckingrayray: thankyou... you may need to install "vorbis-tools" and "mpg321" packages09:20
kingrayrayenyc: i am :P09:20
lee__incase of oopses like this, but now I need a refresher on how to get into the the files to edit them..if you can edit them on a hdd that is, I mounted the second hd09:21
boris__gutsy is scheduled to be released on 18th october right ?09:21
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enycboris__: yes 2007/10/18 is plan09:21
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kingrayrayi'm using a SBLive! 5.109:21
enycerr in ALSA09:21
kingrayrayenyc: i get an error from mpg322109:22
enyckingrayray: im not sure this is the problem tho.. im getting error about mcop dir... same problem with ogg123 and mpg32109:22
mc44lee__: so which file do you want to edit? your current xorg conf? or a backup?09:22
lee__the current09:22
mrtimdogHi, anyone know of a gnome applet that'll control pulseaudios' volume?09:22
riotkittieit works for me. mpg32109:22
Col-PanicJust out of curiosity... what does the installer run cups for?09:22
mc44lee__: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf09:22
lee__on the second hdd09:22
kingrayraycan't create mcop directory09:22
mc44lee__: well thats not your current one then :)09:22
enyckingrayray: same error dere09:22
kingrayrayalso weird because its trying to make a link in ~/.kde09:22
kingrayrayi didnt know mpg321 had anything to do with kde09:23
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enyckingrayray: i havent yet found the bugzilla report... but I want to get it sorted for gutsy!!!!!!!!!09:23
lee__well here it goes lol09:23
enyckingrayray: it doesnt look good09:23
riotkittieare using kde too, enyc?09:23
enycriotkittie: no, no kde09:23
mc44lee__: no that will edit the xorg on your *current* partition09:23
lee__eh thats not waht i want lol...09:24
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enycalso.. ogg123 and mpg321 do not appear to be linked to any kde libs09:24
lee__i ws about to get the file string befor doing nano09:24
enychowever... MAYBE libao is trying to use the ARTSD sound which is a kde thing09:24
mc44lee__: do you know what your second hd is mounted as? sda2 for example09:24
kingrayrayenyc: that might make sense09:24
enycmpg321 and ogg123 use libao for audio09:25
kingrayrayin /etc/libao.conf mine just says alsa0909:25
lee__its mounted as a disk drive just a sec09:25
enyckingrayray: I would like to get this sorted for gutsy.. hrrm09:25
enyckingrayray: hrrm same here... actually I purged libao and reinstalled with ubuntu-desktop etc... that is the 'normal' setting09:25
lee__eh just a reg disk09:25
lee__its a sata09:25
mc44lee__: ok, run "df"09:26
mc44lee__: it should appear as /dev/sda?09:26
lee__ah ok in the run files or in sudo?09:26
mc44lee__: what?09:26
enyckingrayray: lixao.so.2 is being linked to that in the libao driver09:27
enyckingrayray: look in /usr/lib/ao/plugins-2/09:27
lee__wre do i give cmmand to run df?09:27
mc44lee__: you're at a command line prompt right now, right?09:27
kingrayrayenyc: but its using libalsa0909:27
mc44lee__: then just do df then enter09:27
kingrayrayso it should be fine09:27
enyckingrayray: yes... and changing   /etc/libao.conf to "pulse" FIXES the problem for me09:28
kingrayraywhat the hell is pulse09:28
lee__yeah its listed as an sda lol09:28
enyckingrayray: newer audio driver and multiplexer09:28
kingrayraywell pow we fixed it09:28
enyckingrayray: supports ESD compatibiliity09:28
lee__oh wait09:28
lee__its listed as /dev/sdb109:28
mc44lee__: ok that makes sense :)09:28
mc44lee__: where did you back up the file?09:29
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lee__and then there are he following /dev/sdf1 and /dev/sde109:30
mc44lee__: how many HDs do you have? :)09:30
lee__some reason it has multi partions lol09:30
mc44multi partitions should be sdb2 sdb3 etc09:30
lee__the sata wound up getting th oem lol i hit the button09:30
lee__but the drivers effected the main system09:31
lee__ok that file i backed up is on my memory stick09:31
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lee__oh ok those 2 that i gave you are my media stics lol09:32
lee__crosses his eyes09:32
mc44so it's on one of those?09:32
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lee__at any rate lol09:33
enyckingrayray: "alsa" works too09:33
lee__i found the drive09:33
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geskersavvas: I'm still stuck on my sound issue -- could you offer any more advice09:34
kingrayrayenyc: should probably file a bug09:34
enyckingrayray: I think I shall install 1 more gutsy and reproduce the problem09:35
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enyckingrayray: I going out bouncing nome (trampoline!)09:35
savvasgesker: er.. sound testing didn't work?09:36
new2ubI need a list of supported printers and I know there was a website with it...just can't find it again lol anyone know where that is?09:36
enyckingrayray: \o/ -R- /O\   \o/ -R- /O\09:36
enyckingrayray: boing boing boing ... talk later ;-)09:36
lee__ok i got nothing but a big fat whit screen lol09:36
kingrayraylol, bye enyc09:36
riotkittienew2ub: linuxprinting.org ?09:36
new2ubriotkittie, thanks :)09:37
riotkittieyw  :)09:37
geskerAnyone have any luck getting sound on Gutsy with an Audigy LS09:37
lee__and it says new buffer09:37
lee__mc44 all igots is awhite screen lol09:37
mc44lee__: er... where?09:38
lee__in the terminal09:38
mc44lee__: what command did you use>?09:38
savvasgesker: i'm not sure, but try this: sudo apt-get install ld10k1 liblo10k1-009:38
lee__ [ "/dev/sda1" is a device file ] 09:39
lee__the nano09:39
mc44lee__: yes nano is an editor...09:39
savvasgesker: then do: asoundconf list09:39
mc44lee__: press ctrl x09:39
lee__its saying stuff like next page ect09:39
mc44lee__: what are you trying to do09:40
lee__ahhh bnetter lol09:40
geskersavvas: doing it now09:40
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geskerapt-getSavvass: asoundconf list returns CA010609:41
savvasgesker: um.. do you have a tv tuner card?09:41
kingrayrayhttp://kingrayray.wallooza.org/Screenshot.png I <3 Ubuntu :D09:41
geskersavvas: an audigy ls card09:41
lee__ok in the right file give me a few minutes09:41
savvasgesker: so no tv tuner cards?09:41
geskersavvas: no sir09:42
savvasgesker: try this: cat /proc/asound/cards09:42
new2ubriotkittie, looks like I might need to go spend some money on a better printer here lol.....mine's not supported :(09:42
savvasnew2ub: you should make that nick new2u, it rhymes ;)09:43
geskersavvas:  0 [CA0106         ] : CA0106 - CA010609:43
gesker                      X-Fi Extreme Audio [SB0790]  at 0x6000 irq 1909:43
new2ubprobably but I thought it fit since I"m brand new to the linux world09:43
lee__ok how do i select all?09:44
mc44lee__: select all what?09:44
geskersavvas: I'm running the 64bit version of ubuntu09:46
savvasgesker: try this: cat /etc/modules | grep -i "snd"09:46
lee__oh nevr mind.. i found it "clear all09:47
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geskersavvas: nothing gets returned09:47
savvasgesker: gksu gedit /etc/modules09:47
lee__man this is like the c64 language09:47
savvasgesker: add a line with this: snd-ca010609:47
savvasgesker: then press enter for an empty line, save and exit gedit09:47
savvasgesker: reboot your machine09:48
savvaslet's hope that fixes it09:48
lee__well Lets see if it worked lol09:48
StevethepirateHi.. getting this error.. http://rafb.net/p/XcOfG651.html when trying to mplayer a movie..09:48
Stevethepiratevideo comes out, no audio..09:48
geskersavvas: rebooting now, back in a second09:48
Stevethepirateno audio in amarok as well.09:48
lee__ok well the worse that can happen is it wont boot..or...Ill  have smoke coming from the machine lol09:49
lee__be back in a few either on the the main drive or ym back up drive lol09:49
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emethow do you make compiz fusion use a cube09:51
emetI have a plane09:51
emet2 sided09:51
emetbesides that compiz fusion pwns09:51
emetexpo pwns09:51
mc44emet: install compizconfig-settings-manager09:51
emetI have it I don't see any option for it09:52
nosrednaekimemet: its in general09:52
nosrednaekim"horizontal desktop size"09:52
emetis there any way to make package name completion work in aliases09:52
emetnosrednaekim, ok09:52
mc44emet: and turn the Desktop Cube plugin on if it isn09:53
nosrednaekimemet: ailiases?09:53
emetyeah I use aliases for package management09:54
emetalias ins="sudo apt-get install"09:54
emetso like I wanna type ins abi<TAB> to install abiword09:54