[12:34] <_MMA_> nothlit: Ja. That's better.
[12:34] <_MMA_> Ill bbl.
[12:35] <lassegul> im going to add a sub pages to the /Hardy page
[12:35] <nothlit> lassegul: :o
[12:35] <nothlit> what
[12:36] <lassegul> theres no link to Alternate from Hardy
[12:36] <lassegul> im sorry there is.
[12:36] <lassegul> ok, theres no need then.
[12:42] <nothlit> lassegul: theres more artists apps to add to the tools page, and we have to finish the etiqueutte page, and we have to clean up get involved
[12:42] <nothlit> as well as all the unfinished stuff commented in the main page
[12:43] <lassegul> nothlit: thats right. You take the Get Involved and i do the Tools page?
[12:44] <lassegul> nothlit: which one do you want to do?
[12:44] <nothlit> i don't much care
[12:44] <nothlit> i'll do what needs to be done
[12:44] <nothlit> and anything else i'm interested in i'll work on anyways
[12:45] <lassegul> ok lets bring em up on gobby then.
[12:46] <nothlit> lassegul: delete the duplicates first =p
[12:46] <lassegul> nothlit: true :)
[12:48] <lassegul> we are set
[01:34] <lassegul_> hmmm. dc. nothlit i gotta sleep. talk to you in the morning
[01:35] <nothlit> lassegul: kk, lemme reconnect and save everything first
[01:36] <nothlit> lassegul: ok
[01:37] <nothlit> lassegul: cya later
[08:16] <troy_s> lassegul_: Sorry went to work...
[08:16] <troy_s> lassegul_: And I call you on the Fedora 8 work - it is complete drivel.  Looks about as 'wow' as Novell's abortion.
[09:01] <lassegul_> troy_s: :)
[09:01] <troy_s> lassegul_: :)
[09:01] <lassegul_> troy_s: isnt that the good kind of 'wow'?
[09:02] <troy_s> lassegul_: It is repetitive, done, and well... dried up like a prune.
[09:03] <troy_s> lassegul_: So no... not good.  lol.
[09:07] <lassegul_> troy_s: I think the colours are well used, with the desaturated blue and purple. Its calm and has and the textures on the drop/splash/swoosh are nice.
[09:08] <troy_s> lassegul_: Feck.  I can't even begin to comment on it.  Blue is done like dinner.  The curves are repetitive of 1995 mentality.  The consistency is rather akin to painting your entire house taupe, then your chairs and the rest of furniture, then your dog.
[09:08] <troy_s> lassegul_: It is just tripe.  Utter uber tripe.  No balls.
[09:08] <lassegul_> lol
[09:10] <troy_s> lassegul: It is just a sad sad sad reminder as to how far Diana pushed F.
[09:10] <troy_s> lassegul: And I can only imagine that she was probably restrained.  Oh more... No motif.
[09:12] <lassegul> troy_s: I understand what you are saying.
[09:13] <troy_s> lassegul: It is really symptomatic of all the other crap distros are peddling.
[09:13] <troy_s> lassegul: Completely mediocre, completely restrained, completely vague in directionality, and completely lacking in a clearly defined and focused audience / goal.
[09:14] <troy_s> lassegul: The fear of mistake perhaps?  Hard to cite the reasoning.
[09:20] <troy_s> lassegul: The funny thing is that all of this 'we should do it this way' that the distros are showing clearly is helping them get to a colossally underwhelming 2% market share.
[09:35] <lassegul> troy_s: I agree that being conservative when we are in this situation is silly.
[09:35] <lassegul> but artwork alone is hardly the only reason for only %.
[09:35] <lassegul> *2%
[09:41] <troy_s> lassegul: It plays a significant role.  The design of anything used by humans always plays a significant role.
[09:41] <troy_s> lassegul: If you need further proof, look to the many vast areas that have seen significant change in adoption based purely on design -- records for example -- started without album art and the like.  The adoption of that simple trend helped to establish the entire music industry.
[09:42] <troy_s> lassegul: Arguably the art and design of music videos launched another chapter.
[09:42] <troy_s> lassegul: Automobiles, furniture, etc.
[09:42] <troy_s> lassegul: Arguably _everything_ goes through the phase where people 'don't give a care' to the aesthetic presence / design elements.
[09:43] <troy_s> lassegul: And, eventually, after much success through execution, the 'mainstream' adopts the application.
[09:43] <troy_s> lassegul: We must remember that the computing industry is still in a relative 'dark age' -- people only 'see' the Model T Ford -- there are many varieties to come.
[09:46] <troy_s> okie... night all.  take care.
[09:56] <lassegul> good nigt
[02:45] <lassegul> nothlit: check out GetInvolved.
[02:45] <lassegul> nothlit: could you add the announcement on the top about Hardy?
[02:55] <LDS_Trooper> Greetings!
[02:55] <LDS_Trooper> Any luck in getting an advanced look at the new wallpaper?
[03:01] <lassegul> LDS_Trooper: the one in gutsy?
[05:11] <kwwii> lassegul, nothlit: ping?
[05:12] <nothlit> pong
[05:13] <nothlit> kwwii: i hope you don't mind i put this as a third bullet point? Simple wallpapers and themes ubuntu-specific can be submitted to  Ubuntu-Art.org, a sister site of the -look.org and -file.org websites.
[05:14] <kwwii> nothlit: I think we should wait another day or so until we know the outcome of the discussion on the mailing list
[05:14] <nothlit> sure, its commented
[05:15] <_MMA_> I think splitting submissions over 2 spots like that is unwise. Twice the work to me.
[05:15] <nothlit> _MMA_: splitting? its for general simple things
[05:15] <kwwii> _MMA_: right, I think that we should explain the different purposes of the wiki and such a site
[05:15] <nothlit> _MMA_: not for the hardy cycle, just a general collection of ubuntu wallpapers etc
[05:16] <nothlit> unless you think the wiki can handle hundreds or thousands of like submissions
[05:16] <kwwii> the site is for general artistic rambling, the wiki is for definite explicit work on a whole theme
[05:16] <_MMA_> Ahh.... I see now. I read it as Ubuntu-Art.org would also be a plsce to post your submissions.
[05:16] <_MMA_> *place
[05:17] <kwwii> nothlit: once lassegul is around we need to discuss the wiki stuff...I talked to Jono today about our team using the wiki structure they created for every team...most of the information we have already, we just need to tweak things to fit
[05:18] <kwwii> check out for more info on what I mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/SampleTeam
[05:49] <kwwii> boah, i have spent a day on just conf calls and meetings :-(
[05:50] <kwwii> _MMA_: can you create a package for you murrine theme without the panel background?
[05:52] <_MMA_> Just pull the "panel" folder from the GTK folder and comment out the 2 lines at the top of the gtkrc file.
[05:53] <_MMA_> I can do it in a bit if you dont feel like it.
[05:53] <kwwii> _MMA_: yeah, I can do that, thanks :-)
[05:53] <lassegul> kwwii: im back
[05:53] <lassegul> hello everybody
[05:53] <kwwii> lassegul: howdy
[05:54] <kwwii> lassegul: might want to read the log a bit
[05:54] <lassegul> ive read it
[05:54] <kwwii> so what do you guys think?
[05:54] <lassegul> that sample is really nice
[05:54] <kwwii> we have a lot of that info already
[05:54] <lassegul> and theres not much work we need to do to make it fit either
[05:56] <nothlit> theres not much difference to what we have now, except theres basically a global navigation bar
[05:57] <nothlit> it might be interesting to add, but is it needed @ the top of every submission?
[05:58] <nothlit> my preference is of course the traditional child-parent page relationship but i can see how that may be useful at the "base" pages
[05:58] <kwwii> no, not at the top of the individual projects...that is why I thought we should discuss how and where to use this
[05:59] <lassegul> I think we could just link to /Artwork from the submissions, and keep them like they are
[05:59] <lassegul> something like "home"
[05:59] <nothlit> are you talking about moving the function of the main page into the getinvolved page like they have now?
[05:59] <nothlit> and leaving the page for news and events?
[05:59] <nothlit> i think thats more a loco team style thing
[05:59] <lassegul> nothlit: who are you talking to?
[06:00] <nothlit> lassegul: feel free to respond =p
[06:01] <nothlit> but the navigation system in the main. documentation, incoming, and hardy/gutsy pages might be good\
[06:01] <nothlit> just to allow jumping around even if the page gets a little longer
[06:02] <kwwii> it seems to me that we could use that top bar but that we will still need a bit more than just that
[06:02] <kwwii> teh faq sounds like a wonderfull idea, really
[06:02] <lassegul> nothlit: arent main page and getinvolved organized just like we do?
[06:02] <kwwii> someone asks "who is in charge of this mess" and I say "check this url"
[06:03] <lassegul> the roadmap is also good.
[06:03] <nothlit> lassegul: well, not entirely
[06:03] <kwwii> yes, the home page and the getinvolved seem to fine in the state we have them, basically
[06:03] <nothlit> lassegul: yeah, we can just point that at the general hardy roadmap though, unless we start developing a more detailed one
[06:04] <nothlit> lassegul: our main page is more like a portal, for projects etc, their getinvolved is similar--but the template main page is more of an event based thing
[06:04] <nothlit> lassegul: for teams that hand out cds this week, have a meeting that week, put up posters the next etc
[06:04] <kwwii> I'll create a more precise roadmap...we can explain that major changes are only for every new LTS cycle and then go into specifics for this cycle
[06:06] <nothlit> does the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Processes page do anything the artwork builder page itself doesn't do?
[06:07] <lassegul> lol
[06:07] <nothlit> so basically, we want a faq and roadmap?
[06:07] <nothlit> do we also want a meeting 'ticker' at the top?
[06:08] <kwwii> nothlit: yeah, that seems like the basis of what we need
[06:08] <kwwii> I just thought that there might be issues with certain pages where we still need a table of contents as well as the top bar thingy
[06:09] <lassegul> But where will we put the subpages section then? Under the navigation bar?
[06:10] <lassegul> or should we put it back down to the bottom?
[06:11] <nothlit> kwwii: i'm wondering about the Archives Section and the Processes page, can we move everything in the archives section to the incoming attic? and is the processes page deletable?
[06:12] <nothlit> lassegul: well, if we want to make it fit closer to the template we'd have to leave it at the top
[06:12] <kwwii> nothlit: well, I don't care where the archives end up but I would like them to be viewable somewhere
[06:12] <kwwii> and the proceses page is perhaps poorly named but the info there is somewhat important I guess
[06:12] <nothlit> lassegul: otherwise, my inclination would be to move it to the bottom once we were absolutely sure everything was covered in the text itself
[06:13] <lassegul> nothlit: re:archives  at least they should be collected in one place.
[06:14] <lassegul> nothlit: i disagree with you there, becuase people want to point and click, not to read through the whole page.
[06:14] <kwwii> I think that experience has shown that people do not see the links at the bottom
[06:16] <nothlit> kwwii: i don't see anything in the processes page that isn't duplicated in the builder instructions itself, other than the spec for the builder and that hopefully it will create browsable html pages
[06:16] <lassegul> But it might take up too much screen space when the page has lots and lots of subpages, like Hardy/Alternate, if we have both navigation bar and sub pages on the top, it will probably be 500 pixels tall.
[06:17] <nothlit> lassegul: thats why i prefer the children and "Show Parent" method of navigation generally
[06:17] <lassegul> maybe we should skip the navigation bar on certain pages. Just have a "home" link.
[06:18] <nothlit> and then keeping the relevant information on the pages itself
[06:20] <nothlit> like the hardy page has the technical resources link, and the submission guidelines and meeting link
[06:20] <Samuli^> is there a .deb for murrine engine configurator, by the way?
[06:21] <lassegul> nothlit: now you are talking about skipping the sub pages table?
[06:21] <nothlit> lassegul: i'm talking about not relying on a global navigation as a crutch and making sure we put links where they're needed instead
[06:22] <nothlit> lassegul: the hardy page itself doesn't have a subpages anyways because there is only alternate and (will be) official to navigate to
[06:26] <lassegul> nothlit: i think relevant links collected in one place is better
[06:28] <nothlit> sorry, d/c
[06:28] <nothlit> what was the last thing i said?
[06:29] <nothlit> this is what i got last < lassegul> nothlit: now you are talking about skipping the sub pages table?
[06:29] <lassegul> nothlit: i think relevant links collected in one place is better
[06:31] <nothlit> lassegul: in the navigation bar?
[06:32] <lassegul> nothlit: as a principle
[06:32] <lassegul> nothlit: im not really sure how we implement it in pages that can get messy because of it
[06:33] <nothlit> lassegul: sure, but do you want the one place to be in the main page or at the top of every single one
[06:33] <lassegul> nothlit: every page that isnt necessarily the users destination.
[06:34] <nothlit> lassegul: that would be every page or none
[06:35] <lassegul> hold on some wierd sounds are coming from the other room :S
[06:37] <nothlit`alpha> lol ok
[06:37] <lassegul> nothlit: (a pidgeon got in to my kitchen) yeah you are ok.
[06:38] <lassegul> *you are right
[06:38] <lassegul> kwwii: what do you think?
[06:39] <kwwii> although I like the idea of having all links in one place I am not sure if it would work
[06:40] <kwwii> I wish Jono were here to express his opinion
[06:40] <lassegul> he is away?
[06:42] <kwwii> not sure, checking
[06:42] <nothlit> well, we can try the menubar at the top approach, and if it doesn't work, just make a link back to the main page
[06:42] <lassegul> agreed
[06:42] <kwwii> he is coming
[06:42] <jono> heya
[06:42] <kwwii> the man, the myth, the legend
[06:43] <lassegul> hi
[06:43] <jono> hehe
[06:43] <jono> WHAT DO YOU WANT?!!!
[06:43] <kwwii> lassegul, nothlit: can you explain that again for mister cool?
[06:43] <jono> :)
[06:43] <lassegul> nice template btw.
[06:43] <lassegul> nothlit: will you do the honors?
[06:43] <nothlit> we're wondering whether to adopt your navigation bar include for the artwork wiki section
[06:44] <jono> right
[06:44] <nothlit> we're worried about the clutter, and whether its relevant for every page, such as the individual theme ones
[06:44] <jono> I would recommend
[06:44] <jono>  the purpose for every page is so people can easily navigate around
[06:44] <lassegul> we agreed on having subpages on the top earlier for the same purpose
[06:44] <jono> right
[06:44] <jono> there is no reason why you can't additional items to the menu bar I suggest
[06:45] <jono> but I think you need to have each the things in my menu bar
[06:45] <jono> such as a knowledge base
[06:45] <jono> and a faq
[06:45] <kwwii> I guess the thing is that we have extra pages in addition to what is already included in that bar
[06:45] <jono> and a link back to the main page
[06:45] <jono> sure, so add some additional pages
[06:45] <jono> I would recommend you add a Projects item to the menu bar
[06:45] <jono> and link a lot of things under that
[06:45] <lassegul> so /Incoming goes under projects?
[06:45] <kwwii> right, that would be our current incoming page and subpages from that
[06:45] <kwwii> lassegul: exactly
[06:46] <jono> so as an example:
[06:46] <nothlit> jono: do you think its relevant for this set of pages? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Animals
[06:46] <jono> Processes can go under Knowledge Base
[06:46] <jono> and Specs can go under projects
[06:46] <jono> nothlit: I would link that from Projects
[06:47] <jono> I woudl say pages for ongoing projects would be linked under a Projects option
[06:47] <nothlit> jono: as in, placing the menu bar in that collection of concept pages in the first place
[06:47] <nothlit> jono: its already has the siblings and slideshow navigation to begin with
[06:47] <jono> nothlit: sure, I would suggest the menu bar is on all art pages
[06:47] <nothlit> adding another navigational item, may be a bit much?
[06:47] <lassegul> with the forward back etc. navigation we have there from before it will take up much space.
[06:48] <jono> sorry, I am getting confused
[06:48] <nothlit> perhaps just leave the menu bar to the parent page?
[06:48] <jono> I would recommend having my menu bar as it outlines all core sections
[06:48] <jono> but then you have sub-sections, such as the animals page
[06:48] <jono> but all pages should have the main menu bar, so the navigation feels consistant
[06:49] <jono> and it also makes the pages easier to navigate for new users
[06:49] <kwwii> at some point we could include a secondary navigation under the top bar if necessary I guess
[06:50] <jono> kwwii: exactly
[06:50] <jono> I agree you might want a nav bar for sub-sections
[06:50] <jono> but you want one main menu bar with Home Roadmap Projects Knowledge Base FAQ Contact and the meeting time on it
[06:51] <kwwii> right, that clears things up then, I think
[06:51] <jono> it also helps keep the art team pages consistant with other teams in the ubuntu community
[06:51] <kwwii> lassegul, nothlit: agreed?
[06:51] <jono> right, I best run
[06:51] <jono> later folks, have fun :)
[06:51] <kwwii> thanks man
[06:51] <jono> np :)
[06:51] <lassegul> yep. so long
[06:52] <nothlit> kwwii: i dunno, imo not much point in talking about it, it sounds like something worthwhile to try, doesn't take much work so that would be the best approach
[06:54] <lassegul> I just tested it on Animals, and it looked good.
[06:55] <nothlit> so header should for now have, main page, hardy, get involved, documentation, and meetings?
[06:55] <lassegul> nothlit: we do that first then redo it into Projects etc.?
[06:56] <kwwii> no, the header should at least have everything in the example
[06:56] <nothlit> kwwii: we don't have faq and roadmap atm created
[06:57] <kwwii> the other pages are either in one of those links or it should be in a subnavigation bar
[06:57] <kwwii> nothlit: yes, but I'll create them soon
[06:57] <nothlit> we can place it in when its created and the include will handle it automatically then
[06:57] <kwwii> ok, fair enough
[06:58] <kwwii> I think that instead of just having hardy we should have a Projects page (which is basically Incoming)
[06:58] <kwwii> and Hardy will be one of those projects
[06:59] <nothlit> we don't want a quick link to hardy itself?
[06:59] <nothlit> i find that more important than the main page actually
[06:59] <lassegul> so do I.
[07:00] <kwwii> ok, fair enough
[07:00] <troy_s> seems that you must distill the levels of the tiers
[07:00] <kwwii> troy_s: not sure I understand you
[07:02] <nothlit> !schedule
[07:02] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[07:02] <nothlit> !hardy
[07:02] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for Ubuntu 8.04-LTS, due April 2008. For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron
[07:02] <nothlit> bah
[07:03] <troy_s> kwwii: It appears that where one might 'expect' to find the Hardy elements isn't laid out as one would expect.  (being the more naive form of 'expect'
[07:04] <troy_s> kwwii: And my comment was directed at the 'we should be able to jump to hardy easily)
[07:05] <kwwii> troy_s: so you think that having a direct link in the top bar would be helpful, right?
[07:05] <troy_s> Hrm... I also just noticed that some of the pages don't have ToCs nor a way to navigate quickly to the subpages -- nothlit did you re-save the artwork page template?
[07:06] <troy_s> it would seem logical to use it for all pages.
[07:06] <nothlit> troy_s: i've never edited the artwork page template, the platypus template has it though
[07:06] <nothlit> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/PageTemplate/Header
[07:06] <troy_s> kwwii: I know I probably _wouldn't_ put an exception link in the top bar, but maybe make it such that whatever sub-sections one has makes it logical to get to the hardy stuff -- in this case I suppose the most relevant would be 'guidelines'.
[07:06] <nothlit> anyone want any changes?
[07:07] <troy_s> nothlit: You simply put 'template' in a page title and it is shelved there.
[07:07] <troy_s> nothlit: You can also use some macros to make it automagically fill in bits.
[07:08] <kwwii> troy_s: right, now I get it...I think that having a projects page in the main bar and then having that main page point to the hardy project, alternate projects, and a "create new" project might be the best idea
[07:08] <kwwii> naturally, there will also be guidelines for hardy and those should also be interlinked
[07:08] <nothlit> I don't know if the other projects are important
[07:08] <troy_s> kwwii: Yes.  My instincts tell me that 'breaking' any form of developing logic in layouts probably won't help the cause.
[07:08] <nothlit> other than for the contributors themselves
[07:08] <kwwii> right
[07:08] <nothlit> not many people will be interested in modifying oransun or blubuntu, etc
[07:09] <troy_s> also, i always tend to err on the shallow side of the magic number value -- meaning the five or less -- for total elements of information presented.
[07:09] <nothlit> my inclination would just to leave it as it is as a link in the Projects section on the main page
[07:09] <troy_s> one must remember that a short burst of items -- 9 is the MASSIVELY big side of the magic number.
[07:09] <troy_s> 7 is average.
[07:09] <troy_s> and 5 is the lower 'common' end, especially when someone isn't trying to remember elements.
[07:10] <troy_s> http://www.musanim.com/miller1956/
[07:10] <troy_s> for more quick information on that
[07:10] <kwwii> nothlit: right, on the project main page there would be a link to the alternate projects (kinda a main page for those projects
[07:10] <kwwii> )
[07:10] <kwwii> I have to head out for now...see you guys in a few hours
[07:11] <troy_s> (and that is a technical way of basically saying that on average, people process 7 elements of information at peak -- 9 for exception -- and 5 at the low end of the exception.  Miller was one helluva bright guy and his research has direct implications in design.)
[07:11] <troy_s> kwwii: Ciao kww.
[07:11] <kwwii> ciao troy_s
[07:16] <lassegul> nothlit: it looks good.
[07:16] <troy_s> greetings calavera, what brings you around?
[07:18] <nothlit> this is what it looks like with the main page, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork , and this is what it looks like on a concept page, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Savanna
[07:19] <lassegul> hm. you sure we shouldnt skip the index of the other sub pages of /Alternate in the submission pages, and just keep Next and previous.
[07:22] <nothlit> i would prefer keeping the stuff there and getting rid of the main bar to keep it in the root Alternate and Hardy
[07:22] <nothlit> people in that area, will just want to browse all the concepts
[07:22] <lassegul> true
[07:23] <lassegul> thats what i meant by "pages that might not be their destination".
[07:23] <nothlit> ahh lol
[07:23] <nothlit> when kwwii gets back he can decide =p
[07:23] <lassegul> ja
[08:38] <nothlit`alpha> anyone have an opinion to montage size? https://people.fluxbuntu.org/~nothlit/communitytheme/scripts/test/
[08:40] <coz_> nothlit`alpha, you mean as to its size  ?
[08:40] <coz_> in what manner
[08:43] <joejaxx> nothlit`alpha: small looks like an adequate size for a gallery
[08:43] <nothlit`alpha> as in thumbnails for the wiki stuff
[08:43] <joejaxx> yes
[08:44] <joejaxx> it does
[08:44] <nothlit`alpha> they all fit within 1024x768 afai can tell
[08:44] <joejaxx> yeah
[08:44] <joejaxx> i think small.png is adequate
[08:48] <nothlit`alpha> this is the 320x240 sizing atm /home/justin/montage/large.png
[08:48] <nothlit`alpha> arg
[08:48] <nothlit`alpha> running more than one x
[08:48] <nothlit`alpha> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/SubmissionTemplate
[09:23] <agoliveira> kwwii: Yes?
[09:24] <kwwii> howdy
[09:24] <agoliveira> kwwii: What's up?
[09:24] <kwwii> agoliveira: nothing I just forgot to type / before join, sorry
[09:25] <agoliveira> kwwii: lol I'm becoming paranoid :)
[09:25] <kwwii> my server died while I was away
[09:25] <kwwii> :p
[09:25] <kwwii> no worries
[09:29] <_MMA_> "died" in what sense?
[09:29] <_MMA_> HW failure?
[09:30] <_MMA_> Smoke and ozone smell? :)
[09:33] <kwwii> one of the fans went out
[09:33] <kwwii> so it overheated
[09:33] <kwwii> I turned the others up (nice webserver/java app on the firmware)
[09:39] <kwwii> nice to find out at 9:39pm that there is a deadline tomorrow
[09:40] <_MMA_> Ouch.
[09:49] <kwwii> well, this server is a few thousand miles away
[09:50] <kwwii> so it is really nice to have a way to interface the hardware without touching it
[09:50] <_MMA_> Oh.......
[09:51] <_MMA_> Neat. :)
[09:51] <kwwii> yeah, and it was for free!
[09:51] <kwwii> :p
[09:52] <_MMA_> Nice. I have about $1000 tied up in my home one with the addition of the TB drive.
[09:53] <kwwii> I just did some work for a large computer manufacturer (3 letter acronym starting with A and ending with D) and they gave me a server to boot
[09:54] <_MMA_> Killer.
[09:54] <_MMA_> Whats it run?
[09:54] <_MMA_> (OS)
[09:57] <kwwii> bsd naturally :p
[09:57] <_MMA_> Nice.
[09:58] <_MMA_> Was gonna do BDS or Debian on my home one. Just said F-it and put Gutsy on it.
[09:58] <_MMA_> CLI install. SSH into it. Been solid so far.
[10:00] <kwwii> lol
[10:00] <kwwii> linux is not for servers :p
[10:06] <_MMA_> kwwii: Better than Windows. ;)
[10:07] <kwwii> _MMA_: hehe, no doubt
[10:08] <kwwii> man oh man, all-in-all today was a total crap day
[10:08] <kwwii> this mobile stuff is just killing me
[10:08] <kwwii> you know it was a bad day when artwork for ubuntu is the best part :p
[10:09] <kwwii> muahahaha
[10:09] <kwwii> I knew I should have become an evil scientist or something less stressy
[10:10] <_MMA_> lol
[10:13] <kwwii> well, i studied civil engineering and didn't like building toxic waste landfills for a living so I got into this stuff
[10:13] <kwwii> some days I think I should have just stuck with the toxic waste
[10:13] <_MMA_> :)
[10:20] <kwwii> what in the heck is trackerd ?
[10:20] <kwwii> it is using 69% memory
[10:21] <nothlit> tracker is like beagle
[10:21] <_MMA_> Its this search thing.
[10:21] <kwwii> well it sucks
[10:21] <kwwii> big time
[10:21] <_MMA_> If its up that high it might be indexing things.
[10:21] <kwwii> making my laptop unusable
[10:21] <kwwii> it should die and go to hell
[10:22] <nothlit> lol, it shouldnt be active while you're on battery
[10:22] <nothlit> beagle was even worse though lol =p
[10:23] <kwwii> I am not on battery but it is making my "user experience" total shit
[10:27] <_MMA_> Turn off the service.
[10:27] <_MMA_> (Ubuntu Studio doesnt ship it) ;)
[10:29] <kwwii> lol, you apparently cannot change the preferences while it is running
[10:29] <_MMA_> Ouch.
[10:29] <kwwii> boah, if I was a normal user this would *really* piss my off
[10:29] <kwwii> s/my/me
[11:25] <troy_s> that indexing service is awful.
[11:26] <troy_s> 'live' searches should be banished if they are going to hog up proc time.