=== Zdra [n=zdra@91.177.25.57] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] cjwatson: new desktop CD doesn't hang without network but it displays a message saying that security sources will be added but not active, is that expected? [12:39] seb128: yeah [12:39] I'm not sure why it wasn't shown before [12:40] oh, same bug I guess [12:40] k [12:40] I think I agree with the intent of the message; if security updates won't be used, you should know about it [12:40] right [12:41] I was rather thinking that I still want the security, I just didn't have the network connected during the installation [12:41] but there is no way to know if that's the case or if the box has no internet access [12:42] so commenting the sources and showing the message is probably fair ;) === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === soren shakes his fist at the buildd's === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] Ubuntu DVD amd64 [20071009] : https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/info/1013 [12:54] ... a short amount of time passes ... [12:55] Ubuntu DVD amd64 [20071010.2] : https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/info/1030 [12:55] aaiiiiieeee [12:55] there should be a law about rebuilding DVD images more than twice a week [12:55] they take that long to download! [12:56] rsync, man [12:56] I do rsync [12:56] but I'm on ADSL [12:56] so while I can download as fast as I'd like ... [12:56] I can't ACK [12:56] do you keep a local mirror? [12:56] yes [12:56] jigdo, then? [12:56] oh, mirror of cdimage [12:56] possibly based on the live CD [12:56] I don't have a mirror of the actual packages [12:57] ah, not so useful === lucas [n=lucas@xanadu.blop.info] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] if you're grabbing the alternate and desktop as well ... [12:57] it actually takes about 8-9 hours to rsync the cd images [12:57] yeah [12:57] I suspect that if you cat new-alternate + new-desktop + old-dvd together, and then rsync new-dvd over that, it'll be faster [12:57] since the livefs is the same [12:57] heh [12:57] assuming you have the disk space to do that, that is [12:58] rsync copes with chunks going missing? [12:58] sure [12:58] rsync is magic [12:58] heh === Zdra [n=zdra@91.177.25.228] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] I might try that [12:59] or at least sufficiently advanced technology === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === soren kicks l-u-m-virtual [01:03] Do any of you use wmware workstation? [01:03] aye [01:03] Could you check which NIC it emulates? [01:03] eth0 is not the right answer. [01:04] pcnet32 [01:04] Figures. [01:04] What about SCSI controller? [01:04] mpt [01:04] Mkay.. Thanks. [01:05] ens1371 sound card :) [01:05] Dear kernel team. In your efforts to slim down the -virtual kernel image, please don't remove my nic and scsi drivers. Love, Soren. [01:07] Keybuk, you rang? [01:07] Or are you referring to the driver that is the bane of my existence? [01:08] mpt: you are not a SCSI card :p === Toadstoo1 [n=jcorbier@cl-266.bru-01.be.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] Who's good a spotting why stuff breaks on buildd's but not in sbuild and is also actually around these days? [01:09] Ian is pretty good at that kind of thing [01:09] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9898594/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22_2.6.22-14.35_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz <--- the vmnet module fails to build. === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] bryce: I've raised the priority of bug 151311, it's pretty nasty [01:10] Launchpad bug 151311 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "DPI in kubuntu incorrect on xorg-video-driver-intel" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151311 [01:11] Keybuk: I'll try when he's around again then. [01:11] Yeah, that's a touch broken [01:12] bryce: Weren't we nailing the dpi to 96 or whatever? [01:12] 112x968 dpi? Wow. [01:12] whee, lanky fonts [01:12] mjg59: yeah I thought so [01:13] Riddell: sorry, I won't have time to look at it; cjwatson's sending me out for customer support for the rest of the week [01:15] Riddell: that is one bug we split out from 127101, which is the one I'm focusing on currently [01:15] mjg59: that's gnome only and GDM is still unusable [01:15] Riddell: ? [01:15] No, in the server [01:15] bryce: Erm. [01:15] -#define DEFAULT_DPI 75 [01:15] +#define DEFAULT_DPI 100 [01:15] That's not going to override the driver. [01:16] mjg59: but iirc seb128 put the 96 hardcode into gnome [01:16] we're talking about different things then [01:16] bryce: It has to be done in the server === evand [n=evand@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] mjg59: do you know where at in the server this is done? [01:32] The fix for bug 135319 should have made it in yesterday's dailies right? [01:32] Launchpad bug 135319 in usplash "Usplash progress bar not centered on the monitor" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135319 === evand [n=evand@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] can someone push the xen-3.1 upload through contains a security update for gutsy [01:39] thanks btw [01:40] zul: I think that'll get snagged after RC unfreezes. [01:40] ah yes i forgot about that [01:40] bryce: hw/xfree86/common/xf86Helper.c === rendero [n=rendero@unaffiliated/rendero] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] thanks. I also noticed something calculating dpi's in the xrandr code [01:47] Hm. Yeah, it might be the xrandr-side code that's tripping us up === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-122-216.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] I'm making a patch for each, so folks can try either or both [01:50] zul: in the meantime, is there a public report about the bug it addresses? === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] zul: if so, please flag it with the ubuntu-7.10 milestone so that it's on the release team's radar === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:57] mjg59: does this look sane? http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/xorg-server-dpi/xorg-server_1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu9.debdiff [01:58] Seeing such a patch is painful. :-( [01:59] Dunno, does it work? :) [01:59] no clue [01:59] Easiest way is just to build and do an xrandr query in the new server [02:00] Whatever is done, the DPI should *not* be overridden if the user has set DisplaySize manually in xorg.conf. [02:05] ion_: Why not? It is already in the desktop environment. [02:07] mjg59: I'd appreciate it if you'd take a quick look at this backtrace: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/127101/comments/65 [02:07] Launchpad bug 127101 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "laptop hangs when switching video mode" [Unknown,In progress] [02:07] mjg59: we're looking for any ideas for further gdb work or other things to test === SjB [n=steve@mon-pq11-16.dial.allstream.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:09] bryce: Uhm. It hit the breakpoint. There's not a lot else I can say from there === bigon_ [n=bigon@213.219.162.4.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] well, the system locks up right after that point. === bigon_ [n=bigon@213.219.161.136.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ccharles [n=byte@fedora/byte] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21] bryce: Need to keep stepping at that point until hitting the instruction where it actually hangs [02:22] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=11964&action=view [02:23] looks like its around line 1959 of i830_driver.c - a loop doing something with PALETTE_A [02:23] for(i = 0; i < 256; i++) { [02:23] OUTREG(PALETTE_A + (i << 2), pI830->savePaletteA[i] ); [02:23] } [02:24] Try putting a usleep in there [02:25] usleep(1) ? [02:26] Bit longer [02:26] Try 20 or so === bdelacey [n=chatzill@pool-68-163-238-36.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-169-154-64.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jojo4u [n=jo@kons-590e72b9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-137-105-82.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] sladen: was bug 135319 supposed to have been fixed? [02:50] Launchpad bug 135319 in usplash "Usplash progress bar not centered on the monitor" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135319 === holycow [n=start@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === greeneggsnospam [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh_ [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.108.230] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Alpha_Cluster [n=nick@bsu195087.bemidjistate.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Alpha_Cluster [n=nick@bsu195087.bemidjistate.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:07] so ... is the release candidate on it's way? === DShepherd [n=dwight@72.252.133.113] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] it is imminent === rendero [n=rendero@unaffiliated/rendero] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:12] nice. btw. are there any automated tests done on each daily? I only found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAutomatedTesting and the qatracker in the topic === rnorwood [n=rnorwood@c-24-147-122-216.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:21] mjg59: btw, here's an strace: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9943161/127101-strace.txt === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:23] bryce: I don't think that really helps === bluefox_ [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jojo4u [n=jo@kons-590e72b9.pool.einsundeins.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.179.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:45] hi, in Ubuntu gutsy, it creates an /etc/fstab with a /media/cdrom entry in it [03:46] this is unecessary when hal is available and actually causes hal to return an error [03:46] anyone know how this is being added to the /etc/fstab? === cr3 [n=cr3@bas5-montreal02-1096553419.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] mekius: partman-target does it; it's needed to make apt work right (I believe both in the installer and outside) [03:59] it's too delicate to change for gutsy [03:59] damn :/ [03:59] this causes issues with some stuff we have since we are trying to use HAL exclusively and not attempting to parse /etc/fstab at all [04:00] anyway to make hal not care about /etc/fstab that you know of? === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.179.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:02] any way* [04:02] mekius: no idea, sorry, I don't know much about hal [04:02] alright [04:03] wish hal would parse /etc/fstab and use the mount point or something [04:03] seems goofy for it to just give up and fail :/ [04:03] anyway, thx for the help === jamesh__ [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:03] guess i can't change the way ubuntu works wrt to this [04:03] might just have to cut the line === xeruno [n=xeruno@cable200-116-10-187.epm.net.co] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@116.193.207.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@cpe-24-193-95-156.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:13] mjg59: adding the usleep() had no effect; still crashed with gray block lockup [04:14] bryce: Ok, so probably not a timing issue. If you skip that block entirely, does it work? [04:14] I'll give it a shot === tiborio [n=tibor@FE-6-0-rt-gyp.eag.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh_ [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Whoopie_ [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D8063.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:35] mjg59: after disabling that block (and the one after) I've been unable to reproduce the issue [04:49] bryce: hey, not your realm i'm sure, but hal refuses to mount any device listed in /etc/fstab, someone mentioned that this is necessary on the livecd for the install, is it possible to add something in ubiquity to remove the cdrom device from /etc/fstab before copying it to the installed system? [04:50] bryce: or will we have to do this ourselves, it seems like a pain in the ass :/ [04:50] that I don't know [04:50] sorry [04:50] ok [04:50] that's fine, i figured you might not :) [04:52] hmm, how to fix this, probably gonna just have to cut the file during boot [04:52] or comment the line might be simpler === SLaPoet [n=william@user-38lm58r.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dendrobates [n=dendroba@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jtt [n=jtholmes@199.72.255.175] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jtt [n=jtholmes@199.72.255.175] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SLaPoet [n=william@user-38lm58r.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:13] mekius: no, it's necessary post-install as well in order for apt to be able to retrieve files from the CD (AFAIK) [05:14] mekius: we're not going to change ubiquity for this in gutsy (not that it would be appropriate specifically in ubiquity anyway); we may revisit this in hardy though [05:15] mekius: post-install> for example, the Edubuntu add-on CD, though there are other cases where it's useful for people to use apt with the CD === frostburn [n=archlich@cpe-74-74-219-225.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Somnambulist [n=kvirc@cpe-066-056-138-070.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh__ [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:17] cjwatson: hmm, i see, well we don't care much about the CD after install, but i think i'll just hack it out for now [05:17] it breaks things === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jshriver [n=jshriver@cblmdm72-240-169-56.buckeyecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] Greetings everyone [05:22] mekius: I understand that you don't, but some people do; just explaining why *we* can't just hack it out of the installer :) [05:22] mekius: btw, /etc/fstab isn't copied to the installer system, it's created right there in the first place === predius_ [n=predius@190.8.154.185] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:22] hrm so linux development questions are inappropriate here? recommend a channel? [05:23] cjwatson: created where, on the live cd? [05:23] mekius: /lib/partman/finish.d/50fstab_removable_media_entries is the script in question [05:23] hmm, k [05:23] cjwatson: so this is only used for special install discs? [05:24] in some circumstances ubiquity does rely on being able to install some packages from the CD [05:24] ah [05:24] are these special circumstances, or could this happen on any install? [05:24] you could maybe arrange to call something just before ubiquity exits that seds /target/etc/fstab [05:25] yeah, that is what i was thinking of doing [05:25] but even later then that [05:25] mekius: moderately special but I'm not willing to enumerate the possibilities :) [05:25] :) [05:25] any install on Intel Macs will install mouseemu from the CD, for one [05:26] there are some other cases [05:26] gotcha, alright [05:26] mekius: can't be a whole lot later since ubiquity unmounts /target just before it exists [05:26] exits [05:26] i've got a place to do the sed that shouldn't intefere with all this stuff [05:27] jshriver: "Linux development" is an extremely broad topic. Narrow it down a bit for yourself and pick a channel based on that; you'll probably find most of them are quite obviously named. === predius__ [n=predius@190.8.154.185] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bdelacey [n=chatzill@pool-68-163-238-36.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:29] looking for a C library that lets me capture data from the soundcards line-in for analysis [05:34] jshriver: I'm not an expert in this, but I'd start by searching for "alsa capture library" or some such === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:39] cjwatson: What performs the mounting of crypto partitions when booting up now? [05:40] Or rather presents the dailog for entering your password to have the partition mounted? [05:49] bdmurray: cryptsetup [05:49] 'kay thanks === dendrobates is now known as dendro-away === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D8063.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _nand_ [n=ec4@138.202-128-194.unknown.qala.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.242.158] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-139-108.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh_ [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RemoteVi1wer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kylem [n=kyle@cabal.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pbn_ [i=pbn@wopr.geekshells.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh_ [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nikosapi [n=nikosapi@ip-38.43.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:03] Is RC1 still planned to be released today (Thursday)? [07:09] probably [07:11] ok, thanks. === nikosapi [n=nikosapi@ip-38.43.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh__ [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@122.2.243.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:31] there's a bug in the nvidia module introduced after 100.14.09 for certain users, is there a way to get that into the repo as an alternative? [07:34] frostburn: Proabably not at this point. We *already* have 3 different nvidia drivers in there! [07:34] yeah i see new and legacy [07:34] and glx [07:34] I thought 100.14.09 was already in there as -new [07:34] And nvidia-glx being the third. [07:34] StevenK: No, that's 100.14.11 or something [07:34] StevenK, it's 100.14.19 [07:35] StevenK: The idea is that drivers newer than .09 have a particular regression. [07:35] frostburn: Can you not use nvidia-glx? [07:35] RAOF, no direct rendering [07:36] frostburn: What card? [07:36] geforce go 7600 === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:36] Also, no direct rendering seems more likely to be an artifact of Xgl than poor drivers. [07:36] Heh, same card as me :) [07:36] 64bit system? [07:36] Yup [07:36] i'm on a hp9000t [07:37] Colour me not seeing whatever bug you're seeing with nvidia-glx-new, though. [07:37] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=92339 nearly the same as this. [07:37] It's an X lockup with some specific integraded cards, right_? [07:38] frostburn: You'll notice that was due to hardware problems? :P [07:38] it doesn't lock up, the screen flickers, videos can't be played, and continues to flicker randomly [07:38] RAOF, keep reading [07:39] link at the end says they eliminated all hardware problems [07:39] sec, let me find the other article [07:40] frostburn: So, "screen flickers with compiz every now and then" *is* something I'm seeing, because of fun refresh-rate issues. [07:40] (I believe) [07:40] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=99426 it isn't try the .09 ones and it wont flicker any more === ccharles [n=byte@fedora/byte] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === LaserJock_ [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maikmerten [n=chatzill@ls5appsrv05.cs.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:47] frostburn: So anyway, my (doesn't count for anything) opinion is: (1) the .19 driver probably fixes more than it breaks, and hense should probably not be revertet, and (2) there's absolutely no way that a 4th nvidia driver is getting added to the archives. [07:48] yeah, the next best thing i could do is write a howto in the forums for others if they have the same problem [07:49] frostburn: Again, does nvidia-glx not work? (It's possible that you'd see a bug where /lib/linux-restricted-modules/.nvidia_new_installed is left behind and breaks nvidia-glx) === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:49] RAOF, i'll give it another whirl, perhaps tomorrow [07:55] bryce, i managed to test a few cases today that BulletProofX would need to kick in upon the first boot (such as the user choosing the wrong proprietary driver during install). and it's working as expected now with the ubiquity and xorg changes :) === MagnusR [n=magru@d31192.smhi.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:05] superm1: ah excellent === LaserJock_ [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F779E3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:13] good morning [08:13] morning dholbach! [08:14] heya Hobbsee === fabbione [n=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pici [n=Pici@unaffiliated/pici] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:19] hmmm... anybody else having experienced that the error message dialog "The composite extension is not available" in the Visual Effects preferences just won't close hitting the OK button? [08:20] (it does close using the close window decoration) === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:22] Good morning [08:23] Morning pitti === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:24] pitti! === k0001 [n=k@host42.190-136-208.telecom.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:25] out of curiosity, does anyone know why usbfs was turned off by default in gutsy? Just found out via http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/747 [08:35] from some of the recent comments to bug 115616 it sounds like evms isn't getting removed automatically even with upgrades from update-manager; will a developer be taking a look at this before release? It's a serious one [08:35] Launchpad bug 115616 in evms "Device-mapper errors: dm-linear, lookup failed" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115616 [08:35] superm1: udev provides the same functionality already [08:36] mjg59, ah i see [08:36] I suspect that virtualbox is expecting it to be in /proc/bus/usb, which is going to break in other situations [08:36] yeah [08:36] well that wasn't the case i was seeing broke actually [08:36] it was for a firmware loader for a usb tv tuner [08:36] that expected things in /proc/bus/usb [08:37] But udev lets us handle doing things like setting permissions as the device node is created [08:37] but google pointed me at virtualbox [08:37] Rather than it being racy [08:37] (racey? Maybe that's better) === AlexC_ [n=alex@host86-142-11-65.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] Hey, === liw [n=liw@a91-154-119-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] Will the RC be out later today, or will it be pushed backed a bit? [08:38] It should be out later today [08:38] so for cases like this tv tuner that something in /proc/bus/usb is expected, is there a particular way that things should be reconfigured nicely to work with udev? Where else will the equivalent nodes be made then? [08:38] But, as usual, it might end up late [08:39] superm1: Either mount --bind /dev/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb or get the software fixed [08:39] Anything that uses libusb will already work fine [08:39] mjg59, do you know off-hand why a laptop suspend and hibernate would work in testing (10+ times in a row) but fail when used for real, overnight? [08:39] liw: No [08:39] mjg59, okay i'll bug the upstream author then. Thanks :) === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:39] liw: I've heard other people hitting that, but never been able to reproduce it [08:40] mjg59, I seem to have a 100% repeatable case, go me [08:40] great, thanks mjg59 === hoora80 [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-de3ace6d1935f5a1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:48] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend seems like a clear set of instructions for me to test this... except it only works for suspends up to about three minutes, it says [08:53] RAOF, well .09 doesn't work either lol === Gasten [n=Gasten@h14n5c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has left #ubuntu-devel ["exec] === MacSlow [n=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rluberti [n=rluberti@212.45.155.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rluberti [n=rluberti@212.45.155.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rluberti [n=rluberti@212.45.155.238] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === frostburn [n=archlich@cpe-74-74-219-225.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=kagou@78.115.160.73] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] good morning [09:09] hi kagou [09:10] what's up dholbach [09:10] kagou: doing great - how are you? 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[12:15] doko: what panel? [12:15] at least dell panels have some issues [12:17] tepsipakki: new iMac 24" [12:20] my dell works [12:20] out of the box [12:20] doko: does the X server get it right without xorg.conf? [12:21] popey: what model? [12:23] tepsipakki: I would need to boot it to check again, i have not done so for a few weeks [12:23] it's a dell inspiron xps gen 2, with an nvidia 6800Go === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] popey: ah, so a laptop.. I meant that some desktop panels (like 2007WFP) reports bogus edid-data [12:24] or at least xresprobe fails there [12:25] ah, sorry [12:34] digg people - http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Open_Week_Announced === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@d31217.smhi.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] woot === popey diggs === Fujitsu falls in. [12:47] gpocentek: hello; do you have some time to test the Xubuntu RC images, or know some people who would? [12:50] pitti, I'm in the middle of an upgrade test, but after it's done, I could test an RC image === ogra sighs [12:51] ogra? [12:51] liw: well, I'd rather like you to help with edubuntu and kubuntu testing TBH [12:51] pitti, my HW is freaking out again, i couldnt do a server install on real HW yet [12:51] hardware sucks [12:51] stgraber apparently had a successfull virtuqalbox install thoiugh [12:51] pitti, sure, I'm here to test anything that needs testing [12:52] liw: can you please coordinate with ogra for edubuntu testing? [12:52] and with heno? [12:52] DVDs are undertested, too [12:52] liw, edubuntu-server i386 or amd64 would be appreciated [12:52] phew ... DVDs ... [12:52] huge downloads [12:52] pitti, sure, I'm on #ubuntu-testing for heno [12:52] pitti: sorry I really don't have time === pitti hugs liw, thanks [12:53] eek, hugging [12:53] gpocentek: no problem; but do you know some other Xubuntu devs who could? [12:53] liw: Point him at the debconf wiki page. :-) [12:53] liw: you better get used to it :) [12:53] liw, we're the hugging company [12:53] StevenK, http://wiki.debian.org/HugAFinn that one? not specific to debconfs [12:54] pitti: well Lionel can't, and I wonder if Jani really cares... so I can't think of anybody else :/ === saied_ [n=saied@217.218.38.92] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] liw: Yes, that one. It was the simplest way to get you to remember without spoiling it [12:54] pitti: when should this be done? I might find some time tonight [12:55] StevenK, you devious one :) [12:55] gpocentek: yesterday, ideally :/ [12:55] gpocentek, Rc was scheduled for today [12:55] gpocentek: RC will happen in a few hours [12:55] l [12:55] l? [12:55] EFOCUS, sorry [12:55] then sorry but I can't :/ [12:56] hm, maybe we should not announce the Xubuntu RC images then [12:56] if they are not tested that's certainly the better choice [12:57] would be embarassing if they had some grave bugs and we'd announce them, yes [12:57] but I'm not in the Xubuntu team anymore so my POV doesn't really matters === chrisle [n=chris@e178114156.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmierzej [n=lmierzej@dru199.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === saied_ [n=saied@80.66.190.208] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chrisle [n=chris@e178114156.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asisak [i=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [n=daniel@i5387E71A.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bigon [n=bigon@ubuntu/member/bigon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] mvo: Do you have a sec for several dorky apt questions? === Keybuk [n=scott@wing-commander.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] oops, haven't got quite used to the fact that xchat-gnome sits there asking you for the server you want to join yet [01:19] Keybuk: ? [01:19] Keybuk: in the preferences you can select to autoconnect to the servers and chans you want === Zdra [n=zdra@91.176.35.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] seb128: err, oh yeah :) === Keybuk feels silly [01:23] I was looking for a Server List dialog [01:23] like X-Chat ordinary has === eggauah [n=daniel@201.82.45.179] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira [n=adilson@201.86.102.69.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] Riddell: on bug 145226, do you think it's possible that I just need to wait a bit to give dcopserver a chance to start up? [01:27] Launchpad bug 145226 in oem-config "Kubuntu OEM DCOP error" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145226 [01:27] I'm sure I tested this and it worked for me === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] could a buildd-admin give back aolserver4-nsopenssl on amd64? it should be ok now [01:35] StevenK: yes (just came back from lunch) [01:36] mvo: I see something strange using sbuild on amd64 [01:36] mvo: When it comes time to unpack the .debs, it's done in all caps [01:36] DktrKranz: given-back. [01:37] Mithrandir, thanks [01:39] StevenK: I heard about this a couple of days ago too . does it only happen with sbuild? or pbuilder as well? === rnorwood [n=rnorwood@c-24-147-122-216.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] mvo: I've not seen it with pbuilder, only sbuild, and only when building for amd64 === persia has also seen such behaviour [01:43] As has soren and RAOF === infinito [n=infinito@175.160.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xof [n=mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] StevenK: is there a bug filed about this already? [01:47] mvo: Hm. I'm not sure. [01:50] cjwatson: what is dcop being used for? === sivang [n=sivan@ubuntu/member/sivang] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=Patrice@78.115.160.73] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:53] ogra: installing from the edubuntu dvd live session using ubiquity doesn't install the client chroot, correct? [01:53] anyone has an idea for the phone numbers in the montreal office ? [01:55] Riddell: KDE whines if it's not there. See the original bug 145226 [01:55] Launchpad bug 145226 in oem-config "Kubuntu OEM DCOP error" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145226 [01:56] doko, correct === bluefox_ is now known as bluefoxicy [01:59] cjwatson: but KDE isn't running, the oem-config app is qt only [01:59] or is kdesu used? === dendro-away is now known as dendrobates === pedro_ [n=pedro@pc-8-146-44-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] Has anyone done a successful cdrom install of Gutsy on a Sun T2000? === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveir1 [n=adilson@201.47.77.144.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] Riddell: kdesu isn't used at that point, only in oem-config-prepare === KristianL [n=kristian@unaffiliated/kristianl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [n=sivan@ubuntu/member/sivang] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Spads [i=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cyr@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:28] jamiemcc: hi, should random png icons be indexed by tracker? [02:30] How should it decide not to index some images? === steve__ [n=steve@p5B0DDAA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:31] seb128: I've uploaded a workaround for RB in my newly created PPA and called for testing; perhaps it would be a good idea to start talking to the release team about pushing it, and even upload it so that they can review it and let it enter the archive soon after we hear from someone? [02:31] lool: if you are confident that the patch will work correctly and not create a regression yes [02:31] lool: maybe ask slangasek about it? [02:32] seb128: Ok [02:32] seb128: The patch looks really innocent === MagnusR [n=magru@d31217.smhi.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:34] slangasek: w00t, around? === cassidy [n=cassidy@cpe-24-193-95-156.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira [n=adilson@201.47.77.144.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:35] slangasek: Could you check the debdiff I attached to #116990? [02:35] I don't know whether it properly works around the problem, but at least it causes no regression here [02:36] lool: the patch looks fine to me but I'm not really a gstreamer guy so I'm not sure of what side effect the volume element can have there [02:39] lool: maybe attach the patch on bugzilla also for upstream input? [02:39] seb128: Ah right [02:40] Anyway it's meant to be a workaround, not a fix === norsetto [n=Cesare@host170-57-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] lool: right but upstream might want to also consider it for the time being [02:41] though they should probably not, that's rather the distro job to apply workarounds for users [02:41] at least they will know we apply a workaround if we do ;) === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-169-154-64.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:42] (sent) === roadtree [i=roadtree@58.207.152.80] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chuck_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] seb128: random pngs? [02:58] jamiemcc: I did apt-get source nautilus === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-14df17f876ff0b7f] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:58] and I was wondering if that's normal that tracker doesn't list any of the png in the source directory [02:58] nor source files [02:58] it's idle and tracker-stats indicates "Images: 0" [02:59] seb128: will check... [02:59] I was just doing some random testing on a gutsy RC install and tried to figure a way to test tracker easily [03:00] I though that unpacking a source would make the sources and images being indexed [03:00] but that's not the case === lmierzej [n=lmierzej@dru199.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:00] seb128: should do [03:01] the .xsession-errors has "CRITICAL **: tracker_indexer_get_hits: assertion `query->words` failed" lines, dunno if that's revelant === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [03:01] seb128: that means you are searching on a stopword [03:01] seb128: will have that tideid up === cr3 [n=cr3@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gutera [n=gutera@189.27.67.24.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] seb128, same problem here [03:03] dholbach: It looks like the API of python-distutils-extra has changed incompatibly and now human-theme FTBFS. Bug 135299. I had a quick look but it's not obvious to me what to do and the python-distutils-extra documentation is a bit scant. Do you know anything about it ? [03:03] Launchpad bug 135299 in human-theme "autopkgtest gutsy human-theme: erroneous package!" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135299 [03:04] seb128: seems to work here fine although Im on soon to be released 0.6.4 version [03:04] iwj: yes, I can fix it === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEF78E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] dholbach: Or just tell me what to do. I think bug 135315 looks like the same thing. [03:04] jamiemcc: it's too late to get a new version in gutsy now, RC is today [03:04] Launchpad bug 135315 in feisty-gdm-themes "autopkgtest gutsy feisty-gdm-themes: erroneous package!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135315 [03:05] seb128: I know but it contains some critical fixes, memory leaks and crash fixes === calc [n=ccheney@adsl-75-34-133-185.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:05] jamiemcc: well, right, might be considered for a stable update after gutsy but that will not be on the CD [03:06] seb128: ok [03:07] seb128, have you created a bug for this problem ? [03:07] jamiemcc: is there any SVN patch I can try that would fix the "no source, no image gets indexed"? [03:07] kagou: no, I'm talking to upstream on IRC right now :p [03:07] kagou: I'll file a bug when I know what is going on [03:07] seb128: Should I look into the new gcalctool, push it into sid and then propose an UVF for it in Ubuntu? [03:07] ok === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@bchm-4d091840.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] seb128: Im not sure whta the problem is there - can I send patches for some critical issues with 0.6.3? [03:08]