norsetto_16aR_: do you need to copy the same README, AUTHORS and NEWS in all your binary packages?12:40
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_16aR_norsetto: Is it an obligation ? I thought so12:42
pkernScottK: aolserver4-nsopenssl is already rebuilt on all arches except amd64, which is why it showed up for me.12:42
norsetto_16aR_: no, its not an obligations. But, its a bit silly to have them in two packages which are linked dependency-wise12:43
norsetto_16aR_: like a lib and a lib-dev12:43
_16aR_norsetto: I've got a question. When multiplebinary packages have been created from one source. How can we say : this libbalbla.so goes there, ths libbloublou.so goes there ?12:43
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_16aR_norsetto: sure12:43
norsetto_16aR_: if the upstream makefile doesn't do it?12:43
pkernScottK: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8792926/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.aolserver4-nsopenssl_3.0beta22-3build4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz -- That looks like an aolserver4 bug.12:43
norsetto_16aR_: use .install or your install target to move them12:44
_16aR_norsetto: so my .install has a function, no ?12:44
pkernDktrKranz: Could you look into that please?12:45
pkernDktrKranz: You fixed aolserver4 some time ago.12:45
_16aR_debian/tmp/usr/lib/librvrutils.so.0.0.0  usr/lib/ in librvrutils0.install : if i have let it into debian/tmp/usr/lib/, it couldn't have spearated from librcfg, no ?12:45
DktrKranzpkern, yes...looking12:45
pkernDktrKranz: Thanks.12:46
DktrKranzpkern, is a new version? I don't recall any nsopenssl12:46
_16aR_norsetto:  and I've another question : is it OK to package every .so into 1 .deb ? I've seen some package like OpenSceneGraph which are all .so into 1 package12:47
norsetto_16aR_: yes, because the second one is in debian/librvrutils/usr/lib12:47
pkernDktrKranz: No.12:47
pkernDktrKranz: Seperate source package.12:47
DktrKranzok, thanks12:48
pkernDktrKranz: But build failed in aolserver4 postinst.12:48
pkernOn amd64 only, though.12:48
DktrKranzanyway...it seems conflicting with an existing app which runs on port 8012:48
DktrKranzsounds weird only to amd64, though12:48
_16aR_norsetto: finally I was not too wrong on this then ^^ Phew12:48
norsetto_16aR_: you have few lintian E/W to work through too12:49
norsetto_16aR_: no, it was ok (cdbs magic :-))12:49
pkernDktrKranz: Buildd app probably12:49
pkernDktrKranz: And the second line looks strange too.12:50
DktrKranzpkern, no amd64 boxes here...I'll try on PPA12:50
pkernDktrKranz: The second line is triggered.12:50
pkernDktrKranz: Address already in use was on i386 too.12:50
DktrKranzFatal: nsmain: prctl(PR_SET_DUMPABLE) failed: Invalid argument12:51
DktrKranzthat's the issue...12:51
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pkernIt fails with "/usr/sbin/aolserver4-nsd: error while loading shared libraries: libnsd.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" here on install (amd64).12:53
pkern"Trying on recover" succeeds then afterwards.12:53
DktrKranzpkern, could you please try to run it on your amd64 box to see if it fails to configure?12:55
DktrKranzno problems here...12:55
DktrKranzon i38612:55
pkernDktrKranz: As said, it fails in postinst first, in trying to recover it succeeds.12:56
DktrKranzwhoops...didn't noticed...12:56
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DktrKranzpkern, ldd /usr/sbin/aolserver4-nsd | grep nsd.so01:01
DktrKranzi get libnsd.so => /usr/lib/aolserver4/lib/libnsd.so (0xb7f51000)01:01
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pkernMe too. May this be a confusing ldconfig trigger issue?01:02
DktrKranzperhaps, not sure...01:03
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DktrKranzpkern, gotta go right now, let's schedule that for tomorrow. I'll have a deeper look01:10
pkernScottK: DktrKranz will look at aolserver4.01:11
pkernDktrKranz: Thanks.01:11
ScottKpkern: Cool.  Getting nervous about time ...01:11
ScottKpkern: He's not yet a MOTU, so he'll need a sponsro01:12
DktrKranzpkern, could I ping you to make some tests?01:12
pkernDktrKranz: Possibly. ;)01:12
DktrKranzScottK, np about that...I can ping bluekuja01:12
pkernScottK: Where exactly is a problem with that?01:12
ScottKzul: pkern got the dependency issue sorted on nspluginwrapper.  Howabout an ack now?01:12
ScottKpkern: With what?01:12
pkernScottK: Getting a sponsor. ;)01:13
bluekujapkern: yeah, np01:13
ScottKAh.  Just mentioning.01:13
pkernBut that makes me curious. apt-get rdepends is not entirely helpful because it's highly arch-dependent.01:13
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DktrKranzgnight all01:14
pkernBye DktrKranz01:14
ScottKpkern: Yes.  I see that now.01:14
norsettog'night evrybody01:15
ScottKg'night norsetto01:15
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_16aR_is it possible to run pbuilder without root privilege ?01:23
pkern_16aR_: No.01:24
_16aR_but with a special account01:24
_16aR_pkern: ok, that's bad01:24
pkernWell it needs the chroot capability.01:24
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_16aR_How can I modify a .zip to an .orig.tar.gz without ruining the timestamps etc ?01:43
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PhreeStyle-homehello, I'm interested in learning how to be a motu. I send an application in for a mentor a couple weeks ago and have not gotten any kind of response. I'm sure it's due to lack of manpower, so I'm wondering if someone here wouldn't mind being a mentor02:02
RAOFPhreeStyle-home: Ok.  I'm sure someone here will, but just hanging around here is also good :)02:06
PhreeStyle-homethanks :) I was begining to wonder if my message was sent02:07
RAOFPhreeStyle-home: I'm a freshly minted MOTU, and I learnt primarily by hanging around here :)02:08
PhreeStyle-homewell, I'm like a complete noob in all this...I am a windows developer, so coming into linux is a completely different ball game02:08
PhreeStyle-homeI want to learn to eventually write applications for linux, so I figure a good start would be to learn how handle package management02:09
RAOFPhreeStyle-home: Ooooh, a bona-fide developer.  What language(s)?  What would you like to do? :{02:09
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PhreeStyle-homeWell, I come from C#, so it's going to be a rough ride.02:10
RAOFPhreeStyle-home: No, not at all.  See mono :)02:10
PhreeStyle-homeI'm interested in desktop development...I like making front ends for otherwise tedious tasks02:11
RAOFMany of the windows apps youv'e coded should run without changes in linux anyway :)02:11
RAOFPhreeStyle-home: Oh, hurray!  We always need more frontends ;)02:11
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PhreeStyle-homeActually, I have not had good luck with mono02:11
RAOFWell, your C# knowledge should be largely portable, at least :).02:12
PhreeStyle-homemost of my applications go a little farther than a notepad clone and if I even touch a listview control, you can bet it won't work right in linux02:12
PhreeStyle-homeI sure hope so :)02:12
RAOFYou'll probably want to learn the gtk# libraries, though.02:12
PhreeStyle-homethe one thing that bothers me though is that mono is not highly looked upon02:13
RAOFI was under the impression that as long as you didn't p/invoke, mono was very nearly a .net dropin.  But I've never needed to test it.02:13
RAOFPhreeStyle-home: Only by the uninformed.02:13
PhreeStyle-homepossibly true02:14
RAOFPhreeStyle-home: Mono is an official Gnome dependency.02:14
RAOF(For tomboy, and f-spot)02:14
PhreeStyle-homewell i figured I would end up writing gnome applications anyways...there's something about KDE that just rubs me the wrong way...not sure why02:14
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RAOFPhreeStyle-home: I find it's the amazing over-abundance of options, at least last time I checked :)02:15
PhreeStyle-homeWell that's true, but I've always had problems with consistency...with theming, menu arrangements and last time I used it, it was very buggy....applications wouldn't start unless started two or three times02:16
PhreeStyle-homeand that was 3 months ago...that's the scary part02:16
RAOFSo, there's actually nothing much that you need to know about packaging in order to do C# development.02:16
PhreeStyle-homewell, even C# programs need to be packaged at some point, right?02:17
slangasekRAOF: lack of information is not why I don't look highly upon mono. :)02:17
RAOFslangasek: :P02:17
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RAOFPhreeStyle-home: True.  But C# programs are generally easy, since your tools tend to put stuff in the right place automatically.02:17
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RAOFslangasek: Why *do* you not look highly on mono?02:18
PhreeStyle-homei'm curious too...most say because of memory footprint and slowness02:18
RAOFPhreeStyle-home: Basically, as long as you release a tarball that builds your project from source, it's easy enough to package.02:18
RAOF(The frikkin' Tao project is an example of the contrary :()02:18
imbrandonPhreeStyle-home: take a look at monodevelop, 99% of my .net apps i write work without modification , normaly even not even recomilation in linux02:19
imbrandonjust copy to the linux box, mono blah.exe and go, and no they arent notepad closes either02:19
PhreeStyle-homeimbrandon: I tried monodevelop at version 0.14 and it crashed saving a code file only 5 lines long02:20
slangasekRAOF: PhreeStyle-home seems to have nailed it; that's very nice and all that some folks find C# makes development faster, but I'd like to run my desktop on real-world hardware thanks02:20
slangasekalso, patents02:20
zulPhreeStyle-home, I would start at reading some documentation and looking at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MTOU/TODO02:20
zuler http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO02:20
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imbrandonslangasek: real world hardware? heh i do most of my development and packing on a p200 including mono02:21
PhreeStyle-homeI looked at all the suggested reading for motu stuff, but I guess it will take a little hand-holding for me to understand it a bit better02:21
=== RAOF runs *his* desktop on real-world hardware, and the only mono thing that's slow is banshee, because it uses rubbish data-structures.
imbrandonPhreeStyle-home: feel free to ask away, we always try to help out when we can02:21
RAOFPhreeStyle-home: Unless you're uncomfortable asking on a public channel like this, you don't *need* a mentor :)02:22
RAOFWe're all very friendly here.02:22
PhreeStyle-homethat's good to know....alot of times I go into a channel and get ignored...that is obviously not the case here :)02:22
RAOF(Except for LongPointyStick, she's sharp and dangerous :P)02:22
RAOFSo, what's the changelog syntax for closing multiple bugs at once again? (LP: #bug1, #bug2, #bug3)?02:23
PhreeStyle-homewell let me ask a question then, if I were to try and learn gtk# programming in c#, what would be a good sample application to try and build?02:24
RAOFPhreeStyle-home: As in: something we'd like to see, or something that exists that you can learn from?02:24
PhreeStyle-homeI don't know.. either i guess02:24
crimsunRAOF: LP: #foo, LP: #foo, IME02:24
PhreeStyle-homesomething easy :)02:25
PhreeStyle-homethe first app I thought of making was a front end to mount cifs shares that actually works02:25
PhreeStyle-homebut i figured that would be a bad way to start...especially if I were to hose the fstab file02:25
RAOFThat's probably not a great candidate right now, since gvfs is comming really soon now, and should be awesome.02:26
imbrandonbanshie and f-spot are both gtk# iirc, but also not system.windows.forms also works just fine, i use that personaly for portability of pure .net accross windows/linux/osx02:26
RAOFtomboy notes is probably good, too.  That's fairly simple.02:26
RAOFcrimsun: Thanks.02:27
PhreeStyle-homeso would it be a good idea to make it in system.windows.forms first, then try to port it to gtk#? Is that a good exercise?02:27
imbrandonPhreeStyle-home: personaly thats what i would do if you are wanting to learn gtk# , that way you see the relationship of them02:28
imbrandonbut thats just how _i_ learn, do whats best for you02:29
PhreeStyle-homeyea that might be the best thing then...if I have any problems running the system.windows.forms version on the linux side would I be able to get a little help in here? The mono channel is usually pretty empty02:29
imbrandondepends on the time and whats going on, but most likely a bit, but just rember its not a support chan and not all mono ( or even most ) devs02:30
PhreeStyle-homei figured :)  what is the most common programming language among devs?02:31
imbrandonin ubuntu ? python has a good following02:31
RAOFPython *does* rock :)02:33
PhreeStyle-homeit will be a while before I get comfortable with python...I went through a few tutorials and the whole time I was trying to relate the information with what I know about C# and I think that is a bad way to approach Python...at least for me02:34
=== ajmitch hugs python
RAOFC is a perenial favourite for people who want their code to fail in mysterious ways on x86-6402:34
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RAOF(Libvisual, I'm looking at you!)02:34
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RAOFC++ for those krazy KDE folk.02:35
imbrandonpykde ( python ) is the kubuntu choice mostly02:35
PhreeStyle-homeyea, I'm not a big C/C++ fan...I know that's what all operating systems are based on, but it's....different02:35
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slangasekRAOF: I like my C code to work on all architectures just fine :)02:36
RAOFC (the way Gnome uses it)/C++ are OK.  But as long as you've got unittests, python is so much more understandable I find.02:36
RAOFslangasek: You obviously don't write uint32_t when you mean intptr_t all the time then :(02:37
slangasekno, indeed I do not02:37
=== RAOF screams at the number of apps that do that.
PhreeStyle-homeok, I know this is really, really bad...and I will get yelled at for this...but I don't really know how to use unit tests02:37
slangasekbecause I actually understand C :)02:37
ajmitchslangasek: sadly, not enough people do02:37
slangasekRAOF: (have been an alpha porter for Debian for years; amd64 folks have it *easy*)02:37
RAOFslangasek: You have the added fun of endianness, right?02:37
slangasek(i.e., try running a 64-bit platform /before/ 64-bit has achieved critical mass)02:38
PhreeStyle-homei know it's good coding practice and all, but I could never figure out how to use the testing in my code02:38
slangasekRAOF: nah, Linux/alpha is little-endian02:38
RAOFPhreeStyle-home: Not a lot of people do use unittests, at least that I find.  Test-driven-development (a quick google should help here) is wonderful though, especially in python.02:38
RAOFYou don't *have* to have unittests in python, but it's so much easier if you do :)02:39
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RAOFRight.  That upload closes all but one of the libvisual-plugins bugs.03:09
=== persia congratulates RAOF
RAOFI've also updated the bug with the minimal autoreconf patch, for the OP's future reference.  He at one point asked how small the changes could be :)03:14
RAOFNot me that gets congratulating; good ol' darkmagez!03:15
persiaWell, DarkMageZ fixed all the bugs, but the patch has scared off many a revewer these past few months :)03:16
RAOFThis is true :)03:17
PhreeStyle-homeblah...I loaded one button onto the stetic designer and monodevelop crashed :(03:19
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blueyedStevenK: re bug 151379: do you think it's OK to leave out the ABIVER from the module name?03:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151379 in virtualbox-ose-modules "Please provide virtualbox modules for 2.6.22-14" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15137903:22
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bddebianHeya gang03:24
RAOFHeya bddebian03:24
bddebianHi RAOF03:24
blueyedHi bddebian03:24
bddebianHello blueyed03:25
=== RAOF wonders whether the jakdaw visualisation is *meant* to give people photosensitive seizures
StevenKblueyed: Maybe, maybe not. The problem with leaving it out is people get confused when it doesn't load due to an ABI bump.03:25
blueyedStevenK: but it won't load in any case, as long as there's no new version around, correct?03:26
blueyedTherefor it should be somehow integrated in linux-meta, shouldn't it?03:26
blueyed(at least in Hardy then)03:26
blueyedStevenK: can you confirm that my debdiff did not work on any arch?03:28
StevenKblueyed: With or without, it still won't build - the code is in virtualbox-source, and it doesn't build.03:29
ScottKStevenK: pkern (when he wakes up I guess) has Bug #151288 sorted.  If I could get another motu-uvf ack it'd be one less reason for Automatix to exist.03:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151288 in nspluginwrapper "UVFe: Please merge nspluginwrapper from Debian Unstable (Contrib)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15128803:30
ScottKStevenK: asac ~blessed the upload.03:31
StevenKScottK: But zul commented "nack, please fix the dependency issue"03:32
ScottKStevenK: Yes and pkern has it fixed.03:32
ScottKHe's tested it and everything.03:32
ScottKSince he's MOTU, he'll just upload once I get an ack.03:32
StevenKScottK: Stamped.03:33
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ScottKStevenK: Thanks.03:33
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bddebianSpeak of the Devil :-)03:34
StevenKWe were talking about him, not too him. :-P03:34
ScottKpkern: All yours then.03:35
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ScottKjtbl: Any luck on the artwork license?03:36
pkernScottK: And that means what? :-P03:36
jtbli heard the icon comes from some other gmail app package03:37
ScottKpkern: It means the UVFe for nspluginwrapper has been stamped approved.03:37
ScottKjtbl: Any hint which one?03:37
jtbli didnt find out the exact package03:37
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pkernScottK: Aye.03:37
ScottKpersia: ^^^ Is the enough of a hint (I don't know how many gmail packages there are)?03:38
pkernScottK: When should one "nominate bugs for release"?03:38
ScottKpkern: When one feels that the release ought not happen without them being fixed except the day before the RC milestone it better be pretty big (since they've already spun the RC CDs).03:39
pkernHm k.03:40
StevenKUh, the RC CDs have been spun three times.03:40
ScottKpkern: Now that you've had ubuntu-dev stamped on your forehead you're expected to have sufficient judgement to sort it out.03:40
pkernflashplugin-nonfree/nspluginwrapper uploaded.03:40
persiaScottK: Maybe.  I'll take a look around.  If nothing else, there are other gmail-ish icons about.03:40
bddebianJust don't tell your Debian brethren ;-P03:40
pkernScottK: And not get spoon-feeded? Well, that's LP stuff ya know.03:40
ScottKpkern: Yeah, well you probably know enough to figure it out at this point.03:41
persiajtbl: If you happen to get any further information, please let us know.03:41
ScottKpersia: That'd be great.03:41
pkernasac: So there it is your use-case ;)03:41
pkernScottK: Yeah, crawling the wiki like everytime before. :-P03:42
pkernScottK: I more of less accidentally nominated the vmware-player stuff for release. Now that may have been wrong.03:42
ScottKpkern: Don't worry, whatever you find there is probably wrong anyway.03:42
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ScottKpkern: pitti will "tell" you if it is.03:42
pkernScottK: Ok.03:43
pkernScottK: Yeah, policy is moving. \:03:43
pkernScottK: Or LP, whatever. ;)03:43
StevenK% lintian *_amd64.deb | wc -l03:43
ScottKHe likes removals so even if it was overkill, he'll have a good sense of humor about it.03:43
ScottKpkern: And if it's not wrong, it'll have been moved to where I can't find it.03:44
ScottKjtbl: The nspluginwrapper upload is done, so you can remove that from what you all are planning on providing.03:44
pkernScottK: My point why I ask those things is "what's current policy and what has been agreed on".03:44
ScottKpkern: Well those two things don't always line up.03:44
StevenKWhoever wrote qmv, I want to bear your children.03:45
ScottKpkern: I'll warn you that this is yet another Ubuntu related topic I'm a little bitter about.03:45
ScottKYeah, thus the warning.03:45
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pkernbddebian: We're not in Teletubby land here.03:45
ScottKIt's almost like he thought I had the LongPointyStick.03:46
pkernAnd http://mugshot.org/visit?post=ZJWKs0cvTAz1J203:47
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ScottKStevenK: Any opinion on Bug 15128903:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151289 in esvn "Please merge eSVN 0.6.12 from debian lenny/sid to Gutsy - fixes svn incompatibility." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15128903:47
StevenKYeah, well, we all know Joss is a bastard03:47
pkernScottK: NACK at that.03:48
pkernScottK: http://durotan.0x539.de/~pkern/esvn-screenie.png03:48
pkernScottK: At least the version in Gutsy works.03:48
pkern(We had that topic... this morning? yesterday?)03:48
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ScottKpkern: Thanks.03:49
jtbli have no clue where that icon came from03:49
jtbli have searched everywhere i can think of03:49
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jtbli still think someone contributed it to us03:50
=== ScottK doesn't know joss personally, but some of his mail to the Debian Python lists are, um, interesting.
ScottKjtbl: Thanks for looking into it.03:50
jtblthe only other suggestion is to use an icon from kcheckgmail03:50
ScottKjtbl: At this point if we get a .desktop with artwork of some sort that's related to gmail, I think it'll be good.03:51
pkernScottK: I guess we could bigon who prepared the debdiff if it failed for him.  At least somebody (I'd guess the submitter) was here yesterday, I showed him the screenie and he confirmed that would mean that the bug's away.03:51
pkernOTOH that was filed only 12h ago.03:51
ScottKpkern: Now I'm confused.  Are you saying we should and should not update the package?03:51
persiajtbl: If you think the kcheckgmail icon is nice enough, that's an easy patch.03:52
ScottKIt sounds like a good integration thingy to do, but I'm not sure.  That's why I ask around.03:52
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jtblyeah it should be fine03:52
persiajtbl: OK.  Thanks.03:53
ScottKpersia: I think that's plenty good.03:53
ScottKjtbl: Got any other issues we can try to work in?03:53
pkernScottK: I only see that it's broken in Feisty.  But I'm doing further checking.03:54
ScottKpkern: Thanks.03:54
jtblthats all i can think of03:54
jtblit looks like icedtea made it into universe03:55
ScottKGreat.  Let's work on this earlier in the release cycle next time...03:55
persiapkern: I don't know if it still works, but one used to be able to use dchroot to a pbuilder or lvm chroot to test gui packages against a target distro in local X.  If that still works, it's a handy way to test if you're on a previous release.03:55
jtblthat will allow amd64 users to have a decent java plugin03:55
ScottKTo the extent that's possible (decent and java going together) sure.03:56
RAOFjtbl: Really?  Awesome.  That meants I'll get bothered by stupid java applets in my browsing again.  Woooooo!03:56
jtblit was just posted today03:57
pkernesvn (0.6.11+1-4) unstable; urgency=low03:57
pkern  * Implement parser for .svn/entries with format > 6 (Damien Caliste).03:57
pkern   (Closes: #387447)03:57
pkernScottK: Fix already present in Gutsy.03:57
pkernpersia: I'm on Gutsy.03:57
pkernpersia: Which I regret, but well.03:57
jtbland with the updated nspluginwrapper 64 bit firefox is ready for the new flash plugin which should be out soon03:57
pkernScottK: So a clear NACK from me.03:57
ScottKSounds reasonable to me.03:58
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PhreeStyle-homedoes anyone else here use monodevelop to develop gui applications?03:59
pkernpersia: gcc 4.3 fixes, windows titles03:59
pkernpersia: Nothing special or outstanding.03:59
ScottKpkern: Thanks.  I marked it wontfix04:00
pkernScottK: Fine.04:00
persiapkern: gcc fixes come from Debian.  I don't know about the titles :)04:00
bddebianYou know it seems like it took eons to get from 3.4 to 4.1 now it seems like there a new gcc every freakin' month :)04:00
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ScottKbddebian: Time just seems to move faster as you get older.04:00
persiabddebian: Watch: there will be a large delay between 4.6 and 5.1 (and 5.0 will be useless, except for a new taiwanese supercomputing architecture)04:01
bddebianWell that's probably true :-(04:01
bddebianpersia: Heh04:01
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ScottKI guess talking about gcc version numbers was just too exciting for some people.04:11
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ScottKI've got my list of "Stuff I was planning on doing before the RC freeze" done, so let me know if anyone has something.04:13
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persiaScottK: I've two things on my list: getting current sbuild and current schroot not to report "Chroot mode deprecated" when mounting LVM snapshots, and adding an icon and .desktop file to checkgmail.  Either of those appeal to you?04:14
ScottKpersia: No.  I don't know enough to deal with either of those.  Sorry.04:14
persiapkern: The logs are only 80% reliable.  It's be right tomorrow (usually only one day is bad, for each channel, for each three weeks or so)04:15
ScottKI wasn't dodging the .desktop thing because I was busy.04:15
bddebianThere has to be some new crack crack to upload somewhere ;-P04:15
persiaScottK: I'd be happy to walk you through the .desktop thing: the only blocker for me right now is that I'm not on an Ubuntu system.04:15
ScottKUrgh.  I was afraid you'd say something like that.04:16
RAOFbddebian: There's always Xgl - you don't have to feel I've got an exclusive lock on that crack!04:16
persiaOK.  First, you'll want to grab the package, the target .desktop file, and the target icon.04:16
ScottKpersia: What package am I doing?04:16
persiaScottK: I think it's checkgmail.  I'll check LP.04:16
persiaScottK: Yep.  checkgmail 1.12-104:17
ScottKLooks right.  We have one of those04:17
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ScottKI got kcheckgmail too so I'll have the icon04:17
persiaScottK: OK.  First thing is to find the icon in kcheckgmail.  If you're lucky, it's already uuencoded in debian/04:18
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ScottKpersia: I'm doing this on a PIII/700 with 256MB RAM, so be patient.04:19
persiaScottK: No problem.  Most of what's being done isn't processor-intensive.04:19
persiaScottK: Do you have an text representation of the icon?  (.uu, .xpm, .svg, etc.)04:19
ScottKI have a .svg I think04:20
persiaSVG is good.  No silly uuencoding rules.04:20
persiaCheck license compatibility.  If you can, copy the svg file to the target debian/ directory.04:21
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ScottKBoth GPL v2 or later, so that's good04:22
persiaMakes it easy :)  Next, grab the .desktop file from Automatix04:22
persiaInstall desktop-file-utils, and run `desktop-file-validate checkgmail.desktop`.  You'll need to edit the file a bit to match the instructions.04:23
ScottK2checkgmail.desktop: warning: key "Encoding" in group "Desktop Entry" is deprecated04:26
bddebianYeah, don't need that anymore04:26
ScottK2checkgmail.desktop: warning: value "Application;Network;" for key "Categories" in group "Desktop Entry" contains a deprecated value "Application"04:26
persiaScottK: Just delete the "Encoding" line from the file, and make sure it's UTF-8.04:26
bddebianRemove Applications04:26
ScottK2So just remove the first one04:26
persiaScottK: Also, listen to bddebian :)04:26
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ScottK2So remove them both04:26
bddebianRemove the whole encoding line.  Remove Applications from the categories line04:27
persiaScottK: Keep "Network", but drop "Application".  Delete the entire line with "Encoding"04:27
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ScottK2Of course the icon name doesn't match my file name.  I should adjust that too I assume.04:28
StevenKScottK2: Bug 151289 rubber stamped04:29
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151289 in esvn "Please merge eSVN 0.6.12 from debian lenny/sid to Gutsy - fixes svn incompatibility." [Undecided,Won't fix]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15128904:29
persiaScottK: Ideally the you want "Icon=checkgmail", and to have your icon named "checkgmail.svg".  Don't worry about a path.04:29
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ScottKpersia: Double stamped confirmed won't fix04:30
ScottK2persia: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/40225/04:30
ScottKStevenK: You might want to refresh and look at my comment before yours unless I'm misreading "do it"04:31
persiaScottK2: Drop the extension from checkgmail.svg: that way someone can theme it with a .png (or whatever).  It eyeballs fine: does desktop-file-validate produce anything?04:32
ScottKNo result at all.  I'll drop that04:32
persiaScottK2: Drop the modified .desktop file also in debian/04:33
ScottK2It's there04:33
persiaDoes the package use dh_install or CDBS?04:33
persiaEasy then.  Add 'usr/share/pixmaps' and 'usr/share/applications' to either debian/dirs or debian/checkgmail.dirs (as appropriate)04:34
pkernHm. /me is not tired.04:34
pkernBut I guess I should sleep anyway. \:04:34
persiaInstall the .svg to usr/share/pixmaps and the .desktop to usr/share/applications in the .install file.04:34
persia(for those just lurking: if neither dh_install nor CDBS is in use, one must edit the rules file to manually install things)04:35
pkernYeehaw MOTU school. :D04:36
ScottK2pkern: I try real hard to avoid this GUI stuff.04:36
ScottK2persia: Looking again, dh_install is commented out in debian/rules04:37
ScottK2There is dh_installmenu enabled.04:37
persiaScottK2: Your call: I usually uncomment, but you can also do the install -m 644 stuff.04:37
ScottK2Uncomment and add a .install file I guess04:38
RAOFAlso, in future this logic is planned to be moved to dh_icons at some point, irght?04:38
persiadh_installmenu is for .menu files, rather than for .desktop files.  While the Debian menu can be enabled in Ubuntu, doing so isn't trivial, and not intended by default.  On the other hand, populating menu files is best practice for feeding Debian.04:38
persiaRAOF: No.  It would be part of dh_desktop.04:38
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persiaScottK2: That's it.  Maintainer mangle, Add changelog, Build, install, and there should be an icon in the menu.04:40
ScottK2persia: Is it gonna work on KDE?04:40
persiaScottK2: It should.  I've closed lots of "Icon doesn't show in the K-Menu" bugs with variations on that procedure.04:40
ScottK2Let me fiddle with this then and I'll whine if I can't figure it.04:41
pkernmailman_2.1.5-8sarge5.fsmi8.etch1 -- Now this is a funny version number. 2.1.5-8, sarge revision 5 (security updates), own revision 8 (patches), forward ported to Etch. :D04:42
tonyyarussoErm, I can't figure out where I'm supposed to file bugs against Drivel - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/drivel, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/drivel, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=drivel, or multiple ones of the above?04:47
pkernPrimary point for users would be https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/drivel04:48
pkernOr rather s,.edge,, ;)04:48
RAOFThe first is for bugs against the Ubuntu packages, the second is probably just to have the ability to forward LP bugs to the upstream bugtracker, which would be the third one :)04:48
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tonyyarussoMy bug is a feature request, not Ubuntu specific.04:49
RAOFThen the 3rd option is probably most appropriate.04:49
RAOFthat's the upstream bugtracker :)04:49
persiatonyyarusso: LP/ubuntu/ is the catchall, LP/drivel/ seems experimental, and b.g.o : drivel appears to be the active upstream tracker04:49
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tonyyarussoIf I filed it upstream, would there be any handy way to keep tabs on it within LP?04:50
tonyyarusso(Just so I don't have to log in as many places)04:50
persiatonyyarusso: You might add the feature request to both: new Ubuntu people looking for something to do might try to implement if there's a pointer.04:50
persiatonyyarusso: Add a new bug at LP/ubuntu/drivel, and link to upstream.04:50
tonyyarussopersia: good call04:51
ScottKThe "not real" drivel project in LP is what LP want so creat for ALL upstreams of Ubuntu packages so that linking to the upstream bug tracker will work.04:52
ScottKThey swear it's a scalable solution.04:52
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tonyyarussoOh hey, it looks to already be filed.  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31102304:52
ubotuGnome bug 311023 in general "MovableType/WordPress entries can't have multiple entries" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] 04:53
persiaScottK2: Are you sure?  I thought they wanted to link to upstream somehow, but not necessarily in LP.04:53
tonyyarussonot a very well named bug, but oh well04:53
ScottKpersia: Via a project for each upstream.04:54
persiaScottK: Does it say that somewhere?  How is it imagined that "upstream" bugs in LP will be communicated with developers?  Actually, don't answer that except perhaps with pointers: this isn' t the right forum...04:55
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ScottKpersia: It's in the "No, let us LP developers explain how bug status is supposed to be used, you're doing it wrong" thread on devel-discuss04:56
persiaScottK: I somehow missed that.  I'll review the thread again.  Thanks.04:56
ScottK2persia: It's possible it was on IRC too, but I recall kiko saying somewhere that it was no big deal to add the projects and he'd be glad to personally add any we wanted.04:58
ScottK2persia: It's in the menu, but without the icon.04:59
ScottK2I looked and checkgmail.svg is in the right spot.04:59
persiaScottK2: Without the icon?  Does KDE handle .svg icons in the icon cache?  Alternately, I'm an idiot, and forgot to tell you to add dh_icons to refresh the icon cache.05:00
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ScottKpersia: Where do I add it?05:00
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ScottK2persia: After dh_install in debian/rules?05:01
tonyyarussoOkay, added in LP as well as Bug #15147505:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151475 in drivel "Drivel can not handle multiple categories" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15147505:02
persiaIn install:, but looking at http://diablo.ucsc.edu/cgi-bin/man/man2html?dh_icons+1, it only taks about gtk-update-icon-cache.  Doesn't KDE have an icon cache?  I need to look to figure out how to update.05:02
ScottK2persia: I told you I stay away from this kind of stuff.05:03
persiaScottK: Are you using KDE3 or KDE4?  Icon cache is supposed to be in KDE4, but not in KDE3.  If there's no cache, I'm not sure why the icon isn't loading, as svg icon support was added to KDE in 2002.05:03
ScottK2Trying dh_icons05:03
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ScottK2It should be there for Gnome anyway, so I'll leave it regardless05:04
=== ScottK2 too.
ScottK2Fortunately the package builds pretty quickly.05:05
persiaScottK2: My apologies.  Usually it just works (at least for me).05:05
persiabddebian: Any ideas?05:05
ScottKimbrandon: You around?05:05
bddebianSorry, what'd I miss05:06
ScottKWell, as expected, that didn't help.05:06
persiabddebian: The .svg is in usr/share/pixmaps, and properly referenced by the .desktop file, but doesn't display in the K-menu.  KDE3 doesn't use the freedesktop icon cache, so dh_icons doesn't matter.05:07
ScottK2Let me look at what kcheckgmail does a little closer.05:07
bddebianYou can try dh_iconcache but it shouldn't be necessary05:07
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bddebianAh, see what do I know? :-)05:08
ScottKI do have working .svg icons in /usr/share/pixmaps.05:12
ScottKLooking to see where kcheckgmail hides it's icon05:13
bddebianDoes the menu item show at all and not the icon or does the icon just not appear05:13
persiaScottK: Just to confirm, you have "Icon=checkgmail" and /usr/share/pixmaps/checkgmail.svg, right?05:14
imbrandonScottK: yea, now i am05:14
ScottKimbrandon: I'm trying to add a .desktop with an icon to checkgmail and it doesn't work (no icon) in KDE.  Any hints?  Scrollback for painful amounts of detail.05:15
ScottKpersia: Double checking05:15
imbrandonScottK: whats the icon filetype05:15
imbrandonkde3 dosent do svg icons05:15
persiaimbrandon: Really?  There are patches out there for svg icons since 2002.05:16
bddebianI was thinking that but I wasn't sure05:16
imbrandonpersia: yea i have no idea why no one has added it but thats the case05:16
ScottK2Well that would explain it.05:16
imbrandonwe've run into it before05:16
persiaScottK: You said you had working svg icons.  Which?05:17
ScottKpersia: Well wine drops a .svg into usr/share/pixmaps.  I assume that was the icon I was seing, but maybe not.05:17
persiaScottK: Is there also a wine.ping or wine.xpm?05:17
ScottK2All the wine stuff in there is .svg05:18
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bddebianWhat about the hicolor/whatever/whatever/ dirs?05:19
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ScottK2Looks like kchekgmail uses .pngs (from upstream).05:20
cereal_killercan someone help me with a quick (well not so) .deb packing problem?05:20
ScottK2If this is a KDE only issue, we needn't worry.05:20
persiaScottK: So kcheckgmail generates .pngs from the .svg for installation?  That's an excellent example of providing source for binaries :)05:21
cereal_killerwhen i pack build my deb everything goes fine but there should be files under DEBIAN/usr and others so the file heirachy is not being created and therefore i'm basically creating an empty .deb05:21
ScottK2If I upload this package to REVU, will someone on Gnome pull it down and build/test it?05:21
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ScottK2persia: Upstream tarball has .png too.05:21
cereal_killerwell, DEBIAN/package/usr etc05:21
bddebianScottK2: I can05:21
ScottK2bddebian: Thanks.05:21
persiaScottK2: That's fine.  I don't mind included PDF files with docbook source.05:22
bddebiancereal_killer: If you build locally nothing ends up in debian/... ?05:22
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bddebiancereal_killer: It should either be in debian/tmp/... or debian/<package-name>/...05:23
cereal_killerbddebian: i created in my ~ dir /packages/package/package-number05:23
ScottK2bddebian: Uploaded.  Waiting for it to appear on REVU.  I'll give you a link when it's there05:24
cereal_killerbddebian: i'm just creating the deb in my home dir, not installing it05:25
bddebiancereal_killer: Right.  I'm saying if you are in the package-version dir and run dpkg-buildpackage or debuild use -us -nc and see where the files go under package-version/debian/05:25
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cereal_killerbddebian: so after dh_make, dpkg-buildpackage is built in the /debian dir?05:28
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cereal_killeri'm not quite understanding, sorry05:29
cereal_killerit's telling me it's making the files in the directories though lol05:30
cereal_killerwell, creating them in the debian dir05:30
bddebiancereal_killer: Yes, once you have the debian/ dir created from dh_make and make any appropriate changes.  You would typically run dpkg-buildpackage or debuild to build your source and/or binary packages.  If you pass -us (unsigned source) and -uc (don't clean the tree) it will leave whatever files it creates under debian/05:30
cereal_killerwhat is debuild? I've never heard of that05:31
bddebianIt's just like dpkg-buildpackage.  I don't personally use it but many do05:32
cereal_killerdiscard that question05:32
cereal_killerman has the answer :)05:32
bddebianScottK2: What's the name of the package?05:32
ScottKbddebian: checkgmail05:32
bddebianWell where the hell is it? :-)05:33
ScottKI don't see it there (I double checked I didn't upload it to the archive by mistake).05:33
ScottKAny REVU admin around?05:33
bddebianAh, there it is05:33
ScottK2Yeah.  That one.05:34
ScottK2I'm going to go clean the oven.  Let me know how it works out....05:34
ScottK2bddebian: Thanks for testing.05:34
bddebianHeh, np05:35
StevenKI *hate* the local shopping centre during school holidays05:36
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bddebianMan I've installed soo much BS on this poor laptop05:41
bddebianScottK2: Just looks like a big Google G ?05:42
ScottKbddebian: Yeah.  That's it.05:44
bddebianWorks like a charm :-05:45
ScottK2bddebian: Thanks.05:45
bddebianNo, THANK YOu :-)05:45
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ScottK2Your taking that back now, aren't you.05:46
bddebianNope, you rock d00d05:47
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bddebianObviously you haven't seen some of mine ;-)05:56
ScottKTo late to worry about it now.05:57
joejaxximbrandon: do you have time for a quick pm?05:57
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ScottKThanks again persia and bddebian.05:57
joejaxxHello everyone05:57
joejaxxhello gnomefreak :D05:57
bddebianScottK: NP05:57
gnomefreakhello joejaxx05:57
ScottKjtbl: checkgmail with ,desktop is uploaded.  You can get rid of that one too.05:57
bddebianHeya joejaxx05:57
joejaxxbddebian: do you know where the autorun directive for the menu package is?05:59
ScottKStevenK: Any interest in looking at the Automatix source for Gutsy to see if they've met their claim of fixing all the stuf mjg59 complained about?05:59
joejaxxas it seems it is disabled on ubuntu05:59
joejaxxeither that or we went through and removed a whole bunch of postinst hooks which i do not think happened06:00
bddebianjoejaxx: I don't, sorry06:00
joejaxxoh ok06:00
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StevenKScottK: None.06:00
ScottKStevenK: OK.06:01
ScottKjtbl: libsigc++-2.0-0c2a is in ia32-libs too.06:01
joejaxxbecause menus are not being generated on ubuntu automatically06:01
joejaxxwell when packages are installed06:02
joejaxxso i am guessing something to do with install-menu?06:05
bddebianGnight folks06:08
joejaxxGoodnight bddebian :D06:08
joejaxxpersia: would you happen to know ? :)06:09
ScottKThat's who I was going to suggest.06:09
joejaxxScottK: :)06:11
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persiajoejaxx: Debian menu, GNOME menu, K menu?06:13
joejaxxdebian menu06:14
persiajoejaxx: I'm not on a Ubuntu system to check, but I think you want dh_installmenu, which should put a call to update-menu-<something> in the postinst.06:14
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_nand_I'm looking for some pointers on menu items installation on debian file...06:15
joejaxxbut i think there is a systemwide setting for it as i do not think we went through and removed the install hooks in the postinst for packages06:15
_nand_lol it seems we are in the subject already :)06:16
joejaxxlol :)06:16
persia_nand_: man dh_installmenu and the menu package documentation06:16
_nand_persia: i have read about the file menu e.g. ?package(ike): ....06:17
_nand_persia: but what if i want to install a .desktop file?06:17
_nand_it don't have enough information to generate it from the menu file...06:18
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persia_nand_: Ah.  That's not the debian menu at all :).06:18
_nand_persia: hmm... do i have to make a menu entry for both debian and kde/gnome?06:19
persiaThere's a (bad) script to leverage the menu-xdg package to autogenerate the .desktop files available from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/DesktopFiles06:19
persia_nand_: You'll want two entries: a menu file and a .desktop file.  They are separate, but both usful.06:19
_nand_ok i have them :) Any pointer on an automatic way to install the .desktop file, or do i just add a line in the rule file?06:20
_nand_(to do it "properly" )06:21
persia_nand_: You'll need to install manually.  If the package uses dh_install or CDBS, putting it in the debian/package.install file is preferable to adding a line to debian/rules.  If the package uses debhelper, but not dh_install (and is obviously not a dh_make template), use dh_install lines in debian rules.  Otherwise, use install -m 64406:22
joejaxxpersia: for example for the installation of non-modified debian packages on ubuntu the menu does not generate which is why i am looking for the systemwide change :)06:22
persia_nand_: Icons go in /usr/share/pixmaps, .desktop files go in /usr/share/applications, and .desktop files should neither specify a path nor an extension for the icon.06:23
_nand_persia: ok thanks for the info!06:23
persiajoejaxx: Ah.  Do you mean the magic that auto-generates .desktop files from the Debian menu, and inserts the results into the regular system menu?  That's in the menu-xdg package.06:23
joejaxxpersia: no :P i mean whatever hook that was disabled in ubuntu stopping update-menus from running everytime a package was installed06:25
persiajoejaxx: I didn't know such a thing was in place.  I don't see it in the pseudochangelog shown from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debhelper, nor do there appear to be any Ubuntu patch to the menu or menu-xdg packages.06:28
joejaxxpersia: yes that is why i am confused to why this is happening06:28
joejaxxsince none of those packages are changed06:28
joejaxxand we definitely did not go through all the debian packages and rip out any update-menu postinst hooks06:29
persiajoejaxx: The especially odd bit is that I've seen changes to my Debian menu when installing packages on my workstation recently, for which I expect update-menus would need to run, and previous in-channel discussion on .desktop files has shown that the standard menus are updating on instalation.06:29
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joejaxxpersia: interesting06:31
persiaCuriouser & Curiouser: usr/bin/update-menus comes to us from Debian directly.  Is the menu package perhaps not installed?06:31
joejaxxoh no it is definitely installed :)06:32
ScottKWell it looks like the RC images are done as Universe uploads are being accepted again.06:34
ScottKLatest WINE crack is in the repos.06:34
StevenKWhat version?06:34
persiaOK.  dh_installmenu from debhelper-5.0.51ubuntu3 inserts postinst and postrm hooks to call update-menus, if `which update-menus` succeeds.06:34
joejaxxpersia: yeah06:35
joejaxxbrb testing a theory06:36
persiaAnd update-menus is installed (without alternatives) by menu 2.1.34, and does the necessary to call registered menu-methods backends.06:36
jtbli have a question about the wine package06:39
jtblare there any plans to backport future versions into gutsy06:39
ScottKjtbl: It can be done into gutsy-backports.06:40
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ScottKAfter the Hardy repos open06:40
ScottK!backports | jtbl06:40
ubotujtbl: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging06:40
jtbli was thinking about using the wine package in the ubuntu repos for automatix instead of the one in the winehq repos06:40
ScottKjtbl: Why do you need one in the automatix repos?06:41
ajmitchI think it's mainly using automatix as a package installer, right?06:41
persiajtbl: That's certinaly easier for use to support.06:41
jtblright now we have wine as an installation option but we use the package from the winehq repos not ubuntus06:41
ScottKI see.06:41
persiaumm.. s/tina/tain/ ; s/use/us/06:42
ScottKSo you'd use gutsy-backports?06:42
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ScottKjtbl: If Scott Ritchie will continue to provide us packages and they test out on Gutsy, backporting is no problem.06:42
jtblthe only reason we used their packages is that they were updated faster06:42
=== persia suggests just calling `aptitude install wine` to automagically select between gutsy, gutsy-security, gutsy-updates, and gutsy-backports
jtbli would prefer to use the ubuntu package over the winehq package06:43
ScottKjtbl: We'll probabaly lag them ~ 1 week for our processes as long as people are willing to help.06:43
ScottKpersia: sounds like a good Hady feature ...06:43
jtblautomatix does check and see if backports is enabled06:43
ScottKDoes it enable it if it isn't?06:43
persiaScottK: It was a warty feature :)06:43
ScottKjtbl: Are you still doing anything with clamav?06:44
jtblif backports is disabled automatix will enable it06:44
jtblwe removed clamav06:44
jtbland firestarter06:44
ScottKpersia: I did not know that.06:45
jtblwell we were installing the clamtk frontend06:45
ScottKWell the clamtk in feisty-backports works about as well as clamtk ever does.06:45
jtblwe didnt see a purpose in having it06:45
ScottKThe released version for Feisty was hopeless.06:45
persiaScottK: Well, it assumes the relevant repositories are enabled.  aptitude just selects the newest package by default.06:46
jtbli did remove a lot of options in the gutsy version of automatix06:46
ScottKpersia: Ah.06:46
superm1jtbl, am i to understand that you've addressed a lot of the items that were listed in !automatix then?06:46
ScottKpersia: I was thinking some special grab wine from backports because we are SURE you want the latest crack for that package magic.06:46
jtblwhats remaining is stuff you cant go into gnome-app-install and check one box and have it get installed06:47
ScottKsuperm1: That's what he's said.  I haven't had a chance to do a code review.06:47
superm1jtbl, that's very good to hear.06:47
persiaScottK: Yep.  That's called enabling the backports repository.06:47
=== ScottK looks around for someone to do a code review....
jtbli addressed even more than that06:47
jtbli figured out a way to stay safe with upgrades06:47
jtblstick with ubuntu repo packages, and limit the use of third party repos06:48
jtblanother is sources.list editing06:49
jtblthe only repos automatix uses in gutsy are the ubuntu repos and automatix's06:49
persiajtbl: Is there much coordination between the medibuntu and automatix repositories, or do they meet different needs?06:50
jtblwell we do use medibuntu's libdvdcss and w32/w64codecs packages06:51
jtblbut we dont use their repos06:51
ScottKA quick grep shows that 'killall -9 dpkg' is now commented out (but oddly still present).  So that's progress.06:51
jtbli just left that for testing purposes06:51
jtblif no one is having trouble it goes06:51
StevenKAnd how does killing dpkg help testing?06:51
HobbseeScottK: haha06:52
=== persia dreams of a single untrusted (but with a known key) source for all illegal, immoral, and otherwise unavailable add-ons for Ubuntu.
Hobbseepersia: i think that's medibuntu06:52
jtblalot of the stuff that was mentioned was no longer needed06:52
ScottKjtbl: If it's still present, Automatix will be viewed as unreasonably dangerous.  Whatever trouble it's absence causes, you need to find another way.06:52
Hobbseealthough, we can do installer scripts and whatnot for the nasty stuff06:52
jtbli do think that medibuntu should be the de facto ubuntu repo for illicit packages06:53
ScottKHobbsee: The good news is that all the stuff we can legally ship that they were going to ship is now sitting waiting for RM approval.06:53
jtblthere is one problem with medibuntu06:53
StevenK"illicit packages" -- makes it sounds like the packages are full of drugs and kiddie porn.06:53
RAOFThey aren't?06:53
persiaHobbsee: That's what I thought, but I don't know if it's specifically unofficially true, so I don't know if it's bad to copy a subset to the automatix repository, which may have other things not in medibuntu.06:53
HobbseeScottK: in universe, i take it?  it'll get it06:53
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StevenKRAOF: :-)06:53
ScottKHobbsee: Yes.06:53
persiaStevenK: hotbabe?06:54
HobbseeStevenK: well, hotbabe. does automatix distribute hotbabe yet?06:54
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persiamedibuntu does06:54
StevenKMeh, hotbabe isn't06:54
ScottKHobbsee: checkgmail, nspluginwrapper, flash-nonfree, and the ia32-libs one was already released.06:54
jtblhere is the automatix teams stance on medibuntu06:54
persiaStevenK: If hotbabe isn't kiddie porn for you, you don't have the right skin installed :)06:54
HobbseeScottK: they should get shoved thru, then.06:54
ScottKHobbsee: Can you shove?06:55
=== Hobbsee hasnt ever actually looked at hotbabe - source or otherwise.
jtblwe do test for compatibility with the free component and if users decide to use those packages they wont have any issues06:55
ScottKHobbsee: OK.06:55
jtblhowever the non-free section is different06:55
persiajtbl: When you say non-free, do you mean restricted/multiverse, commercial, medibuntu, or all of the above?06:56
jtbli have check the amd64 packages in non-free and they install 32bit components into 64 bit directories06:56
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jtbllike placing stuff in /usr/lib instead of /usr/lib3206:56
jtblthe non-free section in medibuntu06:57
jtblmedibuntu has two sections free and non free06:57
jtblnon free contains closed source software like skype, acrobat reader, and google earth06:57
persiajtbl: Ah.  That's clearly wrong.06:57
Hobbseehow are tehy managing acrobat reader?06:58
persiaScottK: When you next feel like chasing really-undistributable, perhaps you'll chase the medibuntu packages?06:58
jtblhowever their packages for amd64 install 32 bit binaries and libraries where only 64 bit versions should be06:58
ScottKpersia: No.06:58
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jtblthe cool thing is that adobe now has a deb of acrobat reader on their site06:59
jtblbut only for i38606:59
jtblhowever they install acrobat  reader into /opt06:59
jtblso it would make building an amd64 package easy06:59
jtblas far as google earth automatix just pulls it directly from google07:00
jtbland installs it using google's installer07:00
ScottKMay main beef with Automatix was installing stuff from Ubuntu repos that didn't need any extra help, moving files to non-standard locations, various dangerous stuff like sigkilling dpkg, and having the nerve to blame unfixed Ubuntu bugs as why there stuff didn't work when they hadn't tried to help fix the bugs.07:00
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=== persia is becoming convinced the automatix repository may be preferable to medibuntu.
ScottKNone of that applies to medibuntu.07:00
ScottKThat's a change.  At least if you're on 64bit.07:01
jtblhere is what we do on amd6407:01
=== ScottK is on 32 bit, so ...
ScottKBut since I live in the US, I'd never install that stuff anyway.07:01
jtblfor acrobat reader we take the tar.gz directly from adobe and place it in /opt/automatix/acrobatreader07:01
jtblsame goes for skype07:01
jtbland for google earth we use the official google method of installation07:02
jtblnow their packages are just fine on 32 bit07:02
jtbland the free packages are ok on both platforms07:03
jtblits the nonfree packages on 64 bit i would avoid07:03
jtblalso some people install 32 bit software on amd64 by taking an i386 deb and using --force-architecture07:05
jtblautomatix doesnt do that07:05
ScottKIt's time for me to get some sleep.  Hobbsee if you see an actual RM around later, I'd appreciate it if you'd ask them to accept checkgmail, nspluginwrapper, and flash-nonfree07:05
ScottKGood night all.07:05
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HobbseeScottK: they should be shunting all universe stuff thru.  and thanks for the inference about me not being a real RM.07:09
ScottKHobbsee: Sorry.  SHould have said someone with ARCHIVEACCESS.07:09
ScottKHobbsee: I can't even keep all the job titles straight in my house.  Ubuntu is beyond me by a fair margin.07:12
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ScottKajmitch: Not yet.  There are bugs left.07:17
ajmitchthere'll always be bugs07:17
ajmitchyou seen how many are left on the rcbugs page?07:17
Hobbseeuntil you fix them all07:17
=== ScottK reboots an waits.
ScottKajmitch: Not so many as there once were.07:17
ajmitchstill far too many, and I've barely touched any07:18
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ajmitchif we're still allowed to fix anything07:19
persiaajmitch: Why wouldn't we be?07:19
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ajmitcharchive freeze, keeping buildds clear at some point07:20
ScottKpersia: linux-image-2.6.22-14-server07:20
ScottKajmitch: The keeping the buildd's open phase appears to be over.07:20
ajmitchScottK: it'll come back soon enough07:20
persiaScottK: What about the server kernel?07:20
ScottKia32-libs and WINE got through.07:20
ScottKpersia: Still waiting for the reboot.07:21
ScottKpersia: Came up just fine and appears to be working.07:23
Hobbseeactually, i wonder why the archive stuff doesnt build thru the EU night07:24
Hobbseethe universe stuff07:24
ajmitchthe servers are tired?07:24
=== ScottK guesses no one awake who can accept stuff.
persiaScottK: While I appreciate the updates I can't help wondering if you didn't mean to tell someone else about it (although my memory for context is particularly poor today)07:25
HobbseeScottK: there might be.  asking.07:25
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ScottKpersia: [01:20]  <persia> ScottK: What about the server kernel?07:25
gnomefreakwhat file controls the log in options (gnome, kde, enlightenment)07:25
ScottKpersia: You ask, I answer.  Not sure why you ask.07:25
ScottKHobbsee: Cool.  Thanks.07:26
persiaScottK: That was response to "ScottK: persia: linux-image-2.6.22-14-server"07:26
ScottKpersia: Ah.07:26
persiagnomefreak: Do you mean the selection of environments available in foo-dm?07:27
ScottKpersia: Sorry.  That was meant to be persia: http://django.ajmitch.net.nz/rcbugs/07:27
gnomefreakpersia: yeah07:27
=== ScottK really should go to bed.
persiaScottK: That makes more sense.  Thanks :)07:27
ScottKGood night all.07:27
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persiagnomefreak: I believe that each x-session-manager registers itself somewhere in /etc, but that's about the limit of my knowledge.  I do know that you'll want to hunt "session managers" instead of "window-managers".07:28
persiagnomefreak: For testing: try a xwm session, kill xwm from an open terminal, and launch your preferred wm from within that terminal.07:29
StevenKUsing alternatives07:29
StevenKsudo update-alternatives --display x-session-manager07:29
gnomefreakpersia: was hoping to not have to do that each time07:29
nixternalI just did an interview for O'Reilly on "the day in the life of a MOTU", so hopefully my pimpage will draw in some fresh blood for hardy07:29
gnomefreakStevenK: that wont add it to gdm/kdm07:30
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gnomefreakbrb lets try this07:30
persiagnomefreak: Alternately, hijack one of the existing session options to launch your alternate WM.07:30
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_nand_hey, i have another packaging question :)08:01
_nand_the app i package is providing .so libs that he only will use08:02
_nand_so it is necessary to provides shlibs files?08:02
Hobbseechecked what the debian library packaging guide says?08:02
=== Hobbsee doesnt know - doesnt do libraries
persia_nand_: The official guide is the URL above, but you will need a shlibs file if you expect any clients to depend on the library, otherwise they won't get automated dependency management.08:04
_nand_yes they say i should... but in my case no one will ever depend of these libs08:04
_nand_so ok let's say i will put shlibs file08:04
persia_nand_: If you have internal libraries (as I think you may), you can omit this file.  In general, best practice is to split the package into separate binaries, and provide shlibs, just in case.08:04
_nand_persia: ok that was what i was looking for08:05
persia_nand_: There will never be any clients?  In that case, why a shared library?08:05
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_nand_persia: i was meaning they won't be a separate package using these shared libs08:05
_nand_maybe later, but right now no08:05
persia_nand_: If "maybe later", better to have multiple binary packages (foo, libfoo, and libfoo-dev), and ship a shlibs file.  If "never", better to link statically.08:06
_nand_persia: you're right08:07
persiaIn the rare case where it's "never", and the upstream build system doesn't support static linking against the private library, you can skip the package split and shlibs file.08:08
_nand_persia: i should check with upstream :)08:09
_nand_thx for the info!08:09
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LaserJock_goodness, gutsy's got some issues :/08:10
persiaLaserJock_: Which ones now?08:10
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dholbachgood morning08:13
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jussi|no2morning Daniel08:21
pwnguinshort of ssh, any ideas for figuring out what permissions gnome-screensaver-dialog runs under?08:22
Flannelpwnguin: cron?08:22
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pwnguinwell, i was looking for something less painful than ssh08:23
pwnguinnot more painful08:23
persiapwnguin: `while true; do ps augx | grep gnome-screensaver-dialog; sleep 5; done > logfile` ?08:28
persiapwnguin: Alternately: trace the codepath back from the dialog, and see from where the permission is inherited.08:29
LaserJock_persia: I did a fresh install of the latest RC candidate08:37
LaserJock_scrollkeeper is messing up most package installations08:38
LaserJock_compiz is nasty08:38
LaserJock_my computer is trying to overheat08:38
LaserJock_firefox is taking *forever* to do anything08:38
persiaLaserJock_: Ah.  I thought there were dpkg-hooks for scrollkeeper and compiz is compiz (and certainly generates more heat).  I don't have a handy excuse for firefox.08:40
LaserJock_I keep having to killall scrollkeeper-update to install anything08:40
LaserJock_compiz was just acting weird, I don't know if it was slowing down anything necessarily08:41
persiaDid scrollkeeper not get the postinstall magic (implemented, say, for ldconfig)?08:41
LaserJock_persia: I don't know08:41
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LaserJock_it just pegs my cpu doing scrollkeeper-update08:44
LaserJock_so I kill it08:44
LaserJock_then it finishes installing the package08:44
LaserJock_then the next one that calls scrollkeeper-update does the same thing08:44
LaserJock_I had to kill it like 20 times08:44
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persiaMakes sense.  Looking at the logs, there's not been much work on scrollkeeper in the past 4 months.  I suspect it needs a poke, as scrollkeeper-update seems like a major target for the postinstall-hooks (e.g. Bug #44535)08:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 44535 in scrollkeeper "multiple scrollkeeper-update makes apt upgrade very slow" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4453508:46
persiaOoh!  Bug# 119614 even makes it more exciting :)08:48
LaserJock_bug #11961408:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119614 in scrollkeeper "avoid several instances running simultaneously" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11961408:49
LaserJock_yeah, I was seeing basically that08:50
dholbachhey LaserJock_, hey persia08:51
LaserJock_it was pretty much a showstopper here08:51
persiaI'm guessing there's a good chance of corrupting the scrollkeeper-db by the combination of the two, but I don't really know much about scrollkeeper internals.08:51
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persiaHi dholbach.  Do you know of curret scrollkeeper efforts?  The install experience is sounding suboptimal.08:54
dholbachit's going to get replaced with rarian next cycle08:54
dholbachscrollkeeper ist dead for 3-4 years already08:55
persiadholbach: Do you mean "Hardy" by "next cycle".08:55
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persiaI was only thinking about a single scrollkeeper-update run at the end of all the application installations.  From what Laserjock said, installation can be painful.08:56
dholbachthat could be done with dpkg triggers08:57
dholbachif somebody sat down and did it08:57
dholbachit's not going to happen for gutsy08:57
persiadholbach: Ah.  I didn't think the trigger would be that hard.  I won't bother with it if it's that definite that it can't happen for gutsy.08:58
=== persia sees the published decision from 19.07.07
dholbachyou can try to talk to the release team, but I guess there's going to be a certain reluctance 7 days away from release08:59
dholbachthere's a lot that can go wrong: fucked up postinst, non-installable packages, etc etc08:59
persiadholbach: I guess it depends on whether other testers have similar experiences.  Based on Ian's statement, I get the impression that triggers work, but need some real testing, and aren't suitable for gutsy.09:00
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dholbachwe use it for some things already09:01
superm1i've seen triggers work for delaying update-initramfs, and that works out well09:02
persiaShould only be ldconfig and initramfs (unless the decision is out of date)09:02
dholbachI think it'd have been fine 4 weeks ago, but I'd be surprised if the release managers allow it now09:03
persiaAh.  Looking at the spec, it appears all the clients need to be rebuilt: it's not something that can be implemented for the annoyingly slow package.  Never mind: that's too hard to get done in time.09:03
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huatsmorning all09:28
dholbachhey huats09:28
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huatshello dholbach09:28
huatshow are you ?09:28
dholbachgood good - how are you?09:28
huatsgood, good... A bit overwhlemed at work... but it is ok09:33
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\shdoes anyone know a fast solution to wipe a server with a 3pass method (like dban dod)?10:19
\shright now I need with dban dod method 110 hours for 7TB10:19
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\shmoins jono10:20
pwnguinon a scale from 1 to ten, how bad is adding a user to the root group?10:20
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pwnguinslangasek: if you remember our conversation about fingerprinting and pam, it turns out that the uinput module is simply used to feed sudo and friends a <cr>10:22
persiapwnguin: If 1 is sunrise, and 10 to total protonic reversal, about a 310:22
pwnguini think your scale lacks granularity10:23
pwnguini challenge you to come  up with a patch that ranks a 6 on such a scale10:23
persiapwnguin: I'm not sure that can be done without specialised peripherals.10:24
pwnguinwell, uinput seems to default to root perms only10:24
pwnguinthis is quasireasonable10:24
persiapwnguin: Right.  uinput allows the injection of anything to the kernel, so can simulate devices to which the user would not otherwise have access.10:25
persiaIf you just want to feed a <cr>, it's easier to use the user's current input device, to which the user can typically write, and inject it into the stream there.10:25
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BugMaNgood morning :)10:26
pwnguinthis sounds like it assumes x10:26
persiapwnguin: Nope.  /dev/input/foo is one injection point.  /dev/ttybar is another.  Determining the user's environment sufficiently to inject the input is a separate issue.10:28
pwnguinpersia: i meant the fix10:28
pwnguinso removing uinput is possible10:28
pwnguinand doesnt assume x. this sounds better then10:29
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pwnguinpersia: currently, the uinput stuff mostly works. sudo is fine, and so is gdm. gnome-screensaver-dialog, however, runs as a user, not suid10:32
persiapwnguin: So the remaining issue is to trap & catch the "lock screen" prompt from the screensaver?10:33
pwnguinpersia: this means a) it cannot access the authentication data, and b) it can't grab uinput to write that <CR>10:33
persiapwnguin: How does gnome-screensaver-dialog currently pass credentials to pam?10:34
pwnguinpersia: well, remaining issue i care about. it doesn't have localization support, and im sure it needs more thought10:34
pwnguini dont think g-s-d passes credentials...10:35
pwnguing-s-d loads various pam modules10:35
pwnguinas per pam standards, and they do their business10:35
pwnguinpersia: at the moment, i patched in some ACL support, and people say it works as long as they add themselves to root for uinput support10:37
pwnguinthis sounds bad to me10:37
persiapwnguin: It's roughly as bad as the user being able to sudo without a password.10:38
pwnguinso it defeats the purpose of the entire package10:39
persiapwnguin: Well, the authentication is strong, but the authorisation weak.  Perhaps slightly different issues.10:39
jonoheya \sh10:40
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persiapwnguin: After a bit more of a look in the docs, am I correct that g-s-d is receiving PAM_USER_PROMPT properly, but has no way to know when to call pam_authenticate() without a <cr>?10:43
pwnguinim not clear on that10:44
pwnguinwhich package is that in?10:44
pwnguingnome scrensaver?10:45
persiapwnguin: From what I understand, your package should provide an API that includes pam_get_item() to collect PAM_USER_PROMPT and pam_authenticate, as part of the standard interface for an authentication provider.10:47
persiag-s-d would be responsible for calling these functions in the pam modules it is configured to support.10:47
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pwnguini wish source code would document what the hell the file IS10:56
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pwnguinwell, i at least got it working. im not happy with the means, but its a start.11:07
pwnguinare there any stupid pam modules in universe?11:08
persiapwnguin: libpam-ccreds, libpam-chroot, libpam-ck-connector, etc.  (packages.ubuntu.com is your friend)11:10
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pwnguinnone quite as crack-headed as this one though11:10
persiaAh.  For the especially crackful, you want things that haven't been included yet :)11:11
pwnguinthis is unfortunate11:11
pwnguinthe wiki already includes a "how to build thinkfinger"11:11
pwnguinand Debian's packaging it11:11
pwnguini imagine this means it'll come in automatically come sync time11:12
pwnguinor does that go into a seperate queue?11:12
pwnguinit's generally a good package; for the moment it errs on the side of "buggy" than "insecure"11:13
persiapwnguin: If it's accepted in Debian, it gets included during sync time unless it's blacklisted.11:13
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norsettomorning all11:29
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blueyeddpkg-trigger allows to defer the usage of ldconfig. Is there something similar for depmod?11:33
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huatsmorning norsetto12:01
norsettohuats: morning12:01
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asisakmorning bad old norsetto12:04
dholbachnorsetto, asisak: you have a very *special* kind of relationship, haven't you? :)12:06
asisakNot at all.12:06
asisak(norsetto, .*) is a kind of relationship :D12:07
asisakBTW I had to fix tilda from CVS. Is it still possible?12:08
asisakI mean because of the freeze(s)12:08
dholbachfixes in universe are still getting considered, if they fix things12:09
norsettodholbach, asisak: morning gents12:09
asisakdholbach: fixes.* are meant to fix things :)12:10
dholbachupload it and ask the release managers to take a look at it12:10
asisakbug 144175 renders tilda almost unusable12:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 144175 in tilda "tilda stays like a gray window" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14417512:10
asisakI have to prepare a fix first :(12:12
asisakAnd CVS has quite many changes12:12
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jerry760poip_hi i got a question not sure if this is were to ask12:48
norsettodholbach: can I ask your advice abou bug 147188 ? I don't think just adding Debian.NEWS will be enough, will it?12:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 147188 in sensors-applet "Sensors-applet report Core 2 Duo temp as A (Ampere)" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14718812:48
persiajerry760poip_: It's a good idea to provide more context when asking questions.  For your specific question, I doubt Ubuntu can assist.12:51
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persianorsetto: Test an upgrade.  If I remember correctly (and I may not), new NEWS entries are available in display while upgrading (especially if apt-listchanges is installed).01:00
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norsettopersia: ok, thx, will do01:08
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DrKranzpkern, around for aolserver4 FTBFS?01:12
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norsettopersia: do you know if what the guy is saying about CC-BY-SA 2.5 is true?01:15
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persianorsetto: He's requesting that we pull from upstream, rather than pulling from Debian.  The new icons are not DFSG-free, but they appear to be Ubuntu-free at first glance at the license.01:18
norsettopersia: I think we should then suggest him to open another bug specific on that, so that the desktop people can comment01:19
persianorsetto: That seems like a lot of extra work.  If you want to do something towards license rationalisation, it makes more sense to me for you to just open the bug.  My experience with upstreams is that they have only limited interest in distribution beauracracy, and tend to retreat rather than participating (although they can certainly be attracted by collaboration).01:21
persiaMy personal take on it is that it's too late for gutsy, but as I'm a sensors-applet user, I'll consider pulling from upstream for an early hardy merge, rather than pulling from Debian.01:21
persia(not even filing a bug)01:22
norsettopersia: well, that seems to be the best really01:22
norsettopersia: the only problem is that between me and you, opening the bug would have meant having a record and the concurrence (or not) of seb128's gang01:24
persiaMy philosophy is that bugs get filed by people who either don't understand the issue, don't have time to address it, or don't have permission to fix it.  Anything else just seems like handwaving.01:24
norsettopersia: ok, I'll draw seb128 attention to it01:25
norsettopersia: it is true that the icons are pretty ugly ....01:26
persianorsetto: If sensors-applet reported the Desktop Team as the maintainer, I'd completely agree with you.  Because it reports MOTU, I'd say it's only about 50% important.  This is especially the case because there are no Ubuntu variations.01:26
norsettopersia: ah, I thought it was part of the Desktop team heritage01:27
persianorsetto: It may be: I haven't actually researched the package history.  If so, then yes, it is appropriate to ping them, and a bug may be the best way to do that.01:27
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norsettopersia: are u on Gnome/amd64?01:29
persianorsetto: Essentially.  My session isn't quite default, and I've a fair bit of legacy hanging around.01:30
norsettopersia: would you mind checking it out? I'm on kubuntu01:30
DktrKranzpersia, some hours ago, pkern informed me aolserver4-nsopenssl FTBFS due to an error in aolserver4 (which I merged). I tested -nsopenssl on my PPA and it's working now, a give back should be enough01:30
persianorsetto: Do you mean testing the patch?01:30
norsettopersia: or the binary, I just built it01:31
persianorsetto: What level of testing do you need.01:31
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persiaDktrKranz: OK.  Have you requested a give-back before?01:31
norsettopersia: just if the user is alerted of the need to remove/reinstall the applet01:32
norsettopersia: all the rest I checked already01:32
DrKranzpersia, a couple of times, but I wanted you to know about it01:32
persianorsetto: OK.  That shouldn't be environment-specific, but I'll give it a shot.  Where's the package (source preferred)?01:33
persiaDktrKranz: Because I touched it before?  No worries.  I was only chasing the RC list, and really know very little about it.  Thanks for the note.01:33
norsettopersia: if you prefer the source than perhaps its better if you use apt-get source and apply the patch01:33
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norsettopersia: I just installed it and didn't see anything relevant on screen01:39
persianorsetto: What did you use to install?01:40
norsettopersia: dpkg, thats maybe why?01:40
persianorsetto: That'd do it.  For a proper test, you'll need to fake a repo.  From what I understand, NEWS notification is an apt-level function rather than a dpkg-level function.01:41
ScottKasisak: We got the checkgmail .desktop thing done while you were sleeping.  Thanks for offering to work on it.01:42
norsettopersia: ok, let me check if I can override the dependancies with apt-get then01:42
norsettopersia: actually, I wonder if that is implemented in synaptics/adept too01:44
persianorsetto: It ought to be.  From what I understand, those are just GUIs for libapt, although I may be mistaken (the newer .desktop-driven easy installer is quite low-level, and that backend may be used in preference).01:45
DktrKranzpersia, given back and succesfully built (FYI)01:47
persiaDktrKranz: Cool.  Not that I think they have that many users, but releasing FTBFS software is unfortunate (and all too common).  Thanks a lot.01:47
ScottKpersia: Even better its one more openssl0.9.7 rdepends gone so maybe we can get that removed before release....01:53
StevenKblueyed: Thanks for playing with virtualbox-ose-modules, but I'd prefer it built on i386 ... :-)01:54
blueyedStevenK: it builds here for i386 ?! (are you on amd64?)01:54
persiaScottK: I seem to remember being discouraged by vmware-player, which needed some internal changes to use 0.9.8.  Did that get fixed?01:54
blueyedStevenK: I've just uploaded it to my ppa to test the build01:54
ScottKpersia: Someone else pointed out that the version we had if sufficiently anciean (1.x versus 2.x) as to be effectively unuseable and filed a removal bug.01:55
ScottKI might not have been so bold myself.01:55
blueyedStevenK: you may want to subscribe to bug 144801, too.01:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 144801 in virtualbox-ose "VirtualBox kernel driver not installed" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14480101:56
ScottKThere is a newer package in Debian, but we don't have it and it's way to late to get it now.01:56
StevenKblueyed: Yes I'm on amd6401:57
StevenKblueyed: Okay, I'm curious if PPA can build it01:57
persiaIs aolserver4-nsimap in process, or does that need a poke as well?01:57
StevenKblueyed: If it builds, I'll get a second opinion about your debdiff01:57
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zerwasIs it still possible to get a bugfix release of software in the universe repository?01:58
persiazerwas: For certain definitions of bugfix, yes.01:58
zerwasor perhaps anybody can give me a link how this is handled.01:59
persiazerwas: Which bug?01:59
zerwaspersia, until which point is this possible?01:59
zerwaspersia, we are doing a bugfix release of Gimmie at the moment01:59
persiazerwas: Until the buildd admins stop building packages for universe, or the archive admins stop letting them be uploaded.  Not much longer.02:00
persiazerwas: Upstream bugfix release?02:00
zerwaspersia, yes02:00
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persiazerwas: Those are harder to get in:  You can try following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-1d28045481b8803d4815989e93edc4206f4848c4, but I doubt it'll be approved once we hit RC (likely in the next couple hours).02:01
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zerwasok so it won't get into it. But thank you very much for this information02:02
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persiazerwas: No problems.  If there's a critical patch that really needs to make it, the easiest way is to open a LP bug with the patch, and ask someone in this channel to prep an upload.  The threshold for specific patches for demonstrable bugs in the Ubuntu packages is lower than for new upstreams.02:03
zerwaspersia, ah ok that sounds good. and good to know how to handle this. the bad thing is that i am getting many bugs every day in bugzilla, coming from Ubuntu users :)02:06
pkernAnyone up for SRU verification of firehol? (dapper edgy) Although I don't know what one should check. (List of reserved IPs updated.)02:06
persiazerwas: Sorry to hear that.  We try to encourage people to post to LP so we can filter packaging bugs from upstream bugs, and have a first crack at patching the easy ones, but we're not as successful as we might be.02:07
ScottKpkern: I can do it for Dapper if you give an exact procedure, but probably not until tomorrow.02:07
ScottKpkern: I just filed the openssl097 removal.02:07
zerwaspersia, that's no problem :-). When we will finish the bugfix-release it will hopefull change. thanks again for your help02:08
pkernScottK: Ok.02:08
ScottKzerwas: If you have specific patches that fix serious bugs, it's possible someone here could get them in.02:09
pkernScottK: The patch is so trivial that the only thing which could fail IMHO is the installation. (Although there is NO reason for it.) So simple install testing is sufifcient.02:09
pkernMaybe it should be invoked once to check for syntax errors, but even that could possibly be caught by installation.02:09
zerwasScottK, yes i will talk with the other devs about that02:10
persiazerwas: Just as an estimate, we'll probably have trouble applying them come Monday or so (although my guess isn't official).02:10
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ScottKpkern: Bug #?02:11
zerwaspersia, all right02:11
CyberMattquestion about REVU02:11
persiaCyberMatt: Go!02:12
CyberMattwhat exactly do i upload .dsc, source tarball and changes02:12
CyberMattor just source tarball and changes02:13
persiaCyberMatt: You'll pass your _source.changes to dput, and it will upload all the files listed therein02:13
persiaCyberMatt: This is so that it can verify the signature on the .changes file, and use the md5sums to verify the other files.02:14
CyberMatti see02:14
pkernScottK: #13194602:16
persiapkern: Ubotu isn't that smart :(02:16
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pkernScottK: LP: #1394602:16
pkernScottK: LP: #13194602:16
pkernBah \:02:17
ScottKBug #13194602:17
persiabug # 13194602:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131946 in firehol "Firehol in Ubuntu 6.10 can't work properly due change in reserved ips" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13194602:17
persiaRight.  That's it.02:17
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CyberMattanother question i used http://sponsors.debian.net/viewpkg.php?id=381  as the base for my own inspircd package is it still ok to upload02:18
StevenKblueyed: Any news?02:19
persiaCyberMatt: As long as your version either A) completely replaces the debian/ directory, or B) 1) has a higher version number and 2) preserves the previous changelog.02:20
CyberMattor does that Darren Blader have some kind of lock02:20
blueyedStevenK: does not seem to have been built yet: https://edge.launchpad.net/~blueyed/+archive02:20
persiaCyberMatt: He likely has copyright on the previous debian/.  I'm sure it's licensed broadly, but it's best to keep a record of previous work.02:20
StevenKblueyed: Fairy nuff02:21
CyberMattii do have a higher version the 1.1.8 was a bit buggy had a security issue as I remember02:22
ScottKpkern: Doesn't seem to be on my mirror yet.  Ping tomorrow if I don't comment in the bug in the meantime.02:23
CyberMattso I spent like 4 hours bringing up to speed02:23
CyberMatt1.1.8 was a bad bad dream02:24
persiaCyberMatt: In that case, it's easier to preserve the previous changelog & copyright notices, just treating your packaging as part of collaborative maintenance.  If the packaging is DFSG-free (and it should be), everything would be good.02:24
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CyberMattok then I will make sure I have all that and upload02:26
CyberMattcould someone be good enough to resync the Revu keyring02:27
persiaCyberMatt: For extra points, I'd suggest sending your patches back to Darren once you've gotten reviewed.  It's best when Debian has a similar package.02:27
CyberMattI will02:28
ScottKCyberMatt: Is your package aimed at Hardy or Gutsy02:28
CyberMattis it too late to get in to gutsy02:30
pkernScottK: When's tomorrow for you? (UTC)02:30
ScottKCyberMatt: Unless you are adding just security/serious bug fixes yes.02:31
ScottKpkern: 130002:31
pkernScottK: Uh. So I should ask ya in an hour? ;)02:31
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CyberMattthen Hardy02:31
ScottKpkern: Tomorrow, yes.02:31
ScottKi.e. 25 hours from now.02:32
pkernWouldn't that be the day after tomorrow then? ;)02:32
Ash-FoxHow does one sign packages after they have been built? (Since I build everything on a server, I'd rather not shove my GPG key there for obvious reasons)02:32
ScottKCyberMatt: Would you consider trying to work with the Debian maintainer to get your update into Debian?02:32
persiaAsh-Fox: debsign02:32
pkernAsh-Fox: debrsign02:33
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ScottKOff for a nap.02:33
persiar?  Does that do nifty remote signing?02:33
CyberMattyed i will E-mail him02:33
pkernpersia: Yep. Via SSH.02:33
pkernpersia: Copies dsc and changes over, signs them, fetchs them back.02:33
persiaExtra nifty.  Attached, or detached?02:33
pkern(And removes them.)02:33
CyberMatthe saved me two days of work02:33
pkernpersia: Don't know what that means. :-P02:33
pkernpersia: man debrsign02:34
CyberMattso definitly02:34
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persiapkern: From your previous line, attached.  Detached is the .asc files that go next to the signed files, as opposed to the inline signatures.02:34
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pkernpersia: Thought that, but I did not know what sense attached signatures should make.02:36
persiapkern: attached is probably not the right word.02:36
CyberMattis there a difference in how i upload for Hardy forgive me first package non checkinstall that actually  works02:36
pkernHm... object subject verb. That sounds wrong.02:36
persiaCyberMatt: Be sure to use "hardy" instead of "gutsy" as the target distribution in the last changelog entry.02:37
persiapkern: Depends on context.  I believe "Him I struck" is correct, although it may be supposed to be "He I struck" (this gets into deep grammar)02:38
pkern"He I struck" sounds wrong to me. o_O02:39
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CyberMattman this is exciting my first contribution to an open source project02:39
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dholbachnorsetto: what about Debian.NEWS?02:40
dholbachurg... he's gone02:40
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persiapkern: It's used rarely.  "That's she" is technically correct, whereas "That's him" is wrong.  Something about nominatives and predicate structures (It's been a while since I was actually studying English).02:40
dholbachcongratulations CyberMatt :-)02:40
norsettoI just saw a message while quitting?02:41
persianorsetto: My apologies.  I seem to be having difficulties with my local repository.  I'll comment with my experiences to the bug.02:41
Ash-FoxGrm, this is a problem.. I can't seem to specify a port for ssh in debrsign and the manual doesn't have any information on this.02:42
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norsettopersia: ok, I'm just rebuilding anyhow, since I had to make few changes, and intend to check it with Gnome after lunch (I've got a partition with it).02:42
persiaAsh-Fox: Configure your ports in ~/.ssh/config02:42
persianorsetto: OK.  I don't think it's a GNOME thing: rather about whether apt-listchanges is installed, but I'm not entirely sure.02:43
norsettopersia: now, I think it was simply that it was named debian/NEWS instead of debian/NEWS.Debian02:44
persianorsetto: That would do it.02:45
Ash-Foxpersia, thanks.02:45
norsettopersia: ok, now I'm going to have that bloody lunch, and will check the new build after. this should be ok .. l8r02:45
TheMusowrong tab...02:46
persiaAsh-Fox: You probably want to configure all your common hosts there: it saves lots of typing ssh options.02:46
CyberMattoops Blader goofed up on the copyright02:50
CyberMattill fix that file02:51
persiaHah!  Aptitude fails to URL-encode URLs with interesting characters, and breaks compliant webservers when revision numbers include "+"!02:52
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zul_ScottK: if that dependency is fixed for nswrapper then im ok with it02:55
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Hobbseehow's that for good acronym use?02:56
persiaHobbsee: GTTFO?  GTFO?02:56
Hobbseepersia: either.  the first actually refers to an awesome livejournal post.02:57
Hobbseebut essentially has the same meaning02:57
sorenhttp://www.google.dk/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=gttfo+livejournal  -> ENOENT02:57
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StevenKs/ to search//02:58
Hobbseesoren: http://community.livejournal.com/metaquotes/5833841.html02:59
TheMusoStevenK: lol02:59
Hobbseeread the entire thing.  it seriously rocks :D02:59
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CyberMattneed help in this copyright file the debian maintainer has this line03:04
CyberMattThe Debian packaging is (C) 2007, Darren Blader <dmbtech@gmail.com> and03:04
CyberMattis licensed under the GPL, see above.03:04
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imbrandonHobbsee: haha classic03:05
imbrandonCyberMatt: whats the problem?03:05
persiaCyberMatt: I'd recommend leaving that, and assigning Darren copyright for your packaging (with your name in the changelog indicating you did it).  That's usual practice.03:05
Hobbseeimbrandon: yup :D03:05
persiaMore specifically, by not changing the file, you automatically assign copyright, so it's neither extra thought or extra work.03:06
CyberMattok should i add a line saying i assign all copyright to him03:06
imbrandonwow upgrading a 200mhz box to gutsy is painfull03:07
persiaCyberMatt: You don't need to do that.  By publishing it with that copyright entry, you announce the assignment.03:07
imbrandonCyberMatt: no, as persia said , do nothing and it automticly is03:07
persia(the previous comment is copyright, 2007 Santa Claus)03:07
sorenimbrandon: When I did that, it took me most of a working day. What was with ubuntu-desktop installed and all that, though.03:07
imbrandonthis is with xfce4, still rough though03:08
blueyedRiddell: kde-hal-device-manager FTBFS for Gutsy. Is it supposed to be in Gutsy? Is 0.3 the most recent version?03:08
imbrandoni really need to get a better system but $$ sucks right now ;)03:08
Riddellblueyed: yes, yes03:10
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blueyedRiddell: see http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/08/28/kde-hal-device-manager_0.3-0ubuntu2_gutsy32.buildlog03:11
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blueyedpbuilder works..03:11
blueyedIs there a way to better simulate the ubuntu build system?03:11
persiablueyed: set up wanna-build, and make it feed sbuild.03:12
Riddellblueyed: it may need a build-dep on python-qt-dev03:12
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blueyedRiddell: either python-qt3 or python-qt4-dev I think (according to apt-file search pyqtconfig)03:14
blueyedpersia: according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto ?03:16
persiablueyed: That's a good start (use the script), but it only does the sbuild side.  Auto-feeding from wanna-build can help with multiple-architecture builds (if you have the hardware).  You also want to install extra packages in the chroot like pkg-create-dbgsym and pkgbinarymangler (I don't know the complete list).03:18
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CyberMattiits in revu03:21
CyberMattit takes like 5mins to show right03:21
persiaCyberMatt: The incoming processor runs every 5 minutes, so the worst-case should be about 6 minutes (usually it's around 3).03:22
persiaAlso, we're not really in a big REVU cycle at this point in the release cycle (next REVU day is to be decided 19th October), so it might be a bit before you get feedback.03:23
RiddellStevenK: ping03:24
Riddellyou packaged libtinymail?03:24
RiddellStevenK: debian/copyright says GPL, but most of the code and the COPYING files in LGPL03:25
StevenKRiddell: REJECT it, and I'll look at tomorrow morning.03:25
RiddellStevenK: rejected03:25
StevenKRiddell: Thanks.03:26
RiddellStevenK: you should tell upstream to include a copy of the GPL03:26
Riddelland change debian/copyright to say LGPL with some files under tests/ and libtinymail-test/ GPL03:27
StevenKRiddell: Right. libtinymail is due to -mobile stuff, so I'll fiddle and re-upload tomorrow morning.03:30
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joejaxxpersia: you said that the debian menu was updating on your machine (ubuntu)?03:41
persiajoejaxx: I thought it was.  I'll test a package now...03:42
joejaxxwhat version of ubuntu {is,was} it?03:42
persiajoejaxx: About an hour ago03:42
CyberMattmy revu package is not showing up03:43
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persiajoejaxx: Interesting.  Do you have python-wxtools installed?03:44
joejaxxlet me see03:44
persiaCyberMatt: Are you in the keyring?  Did you sign the package?03:44
CyberMattoh wait03:45
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Hobbseedid you upload a source.changes or an .i386.changes?03:45
joejaxxpersia: no i do not03:45
CyberMattgpg: Signature made Thu 11 Oct 2007 09:16:39 AM EDT using DSA key ID 469C7BCD03:45
CyberMattgpg: Good signature from "Matt Arnold <mattarnold5@gmail.com>"03:45
CyberMattGood signature on /home/matt/debian/inspircd_1.1.13-1ubuntu6.dsc.03:45
CyberMattPackage includes an .orig.tar.gz file although the debian revision suggests03:45
CyberMattthat it might not be required. Multiple uploads of the .orig.tar.gz may be03:45
CyberMattrejected by the upload queue management software.03:45
CyberMattUploading to revu (via ftp to revu.tauware.de):03:45
CyberMatt  inspircd_1.1.13-1ubuntu6.dsc: done.03:45
CyberMatt  inspircd_1.1.13.orig.tar.gz: done.03:45
CyberMatt  inspircd_1.1.13-1ubuntu6.diff.gz: done.03:45
CyberMatt  inspircd_1.1.13-1ubuntu6_source.changes: done.03:45
CyberMattSuccessfully uploaded packages.03:46
joejaxxCyberMatt: please use pastebin :D03:46
CyberMattNot running dinstall.03:46
persia!pastebin | CyberMatt03:46
ubotuCyberMatt: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)03:46
CyberMattoh i'm sorry03:46
persiajoejaxx: OK.  I just noticed a syntax error in the python-wxtools menu file, which might have been the problem.03:46
Hobbseeis Nicolas Spalinger here?03:46
joejaxxpersia: is that the one you just tried to install?03:47
Hobbseeit appears not03:47
persiajoejaxx: No.  I'm playing with sgt-puzzles.  It generates heaps of menu items, and doesn't have any .desktop files, which seems a good way to contain the test.03:47
Hobbseehe wins hte award for the week about not reading the documentation.03:47
joejaxxpersia: ah03:47
Hobbseeer, x3.03:48
persiaCyberMatt: That looks normal.  When did you join ubuntu-universe-contributors?03:48
Hobbseeanyone know anything about wine breakage?03:48
Hobbseelike uploading wine to revu or something?03:48
Hobbseeit's incomplete03:48
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CyberMattyesterday 10pm03:49
persiaHobbsee: I think there was list traffic about it, and someone handled it locally.03:49
persiaCyberMatt: What time is it now?03:49
Ash-FoxHm, interesting - despite signing the .dsc and .changes files - I find my tiny repository still shoots out this message in apt-get "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" - I'm guessing the repository Packages.gz file needs to be signed in some way?03:49
Hobbseepersia: likely hasnt been resynced yet.03:49
persiaAsh-Fox: You need to import the keys into the apt-keyring (I think).03:49
HobbseeAsh-Fox: probably because apt-get is downloading binaries, not sources.03:50
persiaHobbsee: Yep.  Could you resync when you have a chance?03:50
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persiaCyberMatt: It's not been long enough.  Wait for the next sync.03:50
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persiaHobbsee: Good point.  Ash-Fox: Does your local repository contain the signature files?03:51
Hobbseepersia: yeah, it's a keyring problem.  resyncing.03:51
imbrandonAsh-Fox: not packages, your releases file iirc , but yea the repo needs signed not individual packages03:51
persiaHobbsee: Thanks.  Also, where is it hosted now?  I'd like to help with admin again for Hardy.03:52
Hobbseepersia: revu?  same address as always03:52
Hobbseeit's still on sparky at the moment though03:52
Ash-Foximbrandon, right - which applications create a releases file? I'll look up how to use them03:53
CyberMatthave to call the bank anyway03:53
persiaimbrandon: When you have some time, would you mind syncing my SSH key to sparky, so I might help with REVU admin?03:53
imbrandonAsh-Fox: something similar to ...03:54
imbrandonapt-ftparchive release -c dists/feisty/apt.conf dists/feisty/ > dists/feisty/Release03:54
imbrandongpg --sign -ba -o dists/feisty/Release.gpg dists/feisty/Release03:54
imbrandon( thats from my bash script to regin a personal archive )03:54
imbrandonpersia: sure one sec03:54
persiaimbrandon: Thanks.03:54
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imbrandonpersia: err actualy i dont have access to my own ssh keys on this machine atm, is ajmitch arround ?03:55
imbrandonhe should be able to also03:55
StevenKpersia: If you're in -dev, you already do have access03:55
persiaimbrandon: heh.03:55
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Hobbseepersia: what account to you use to be able to login to revu?03:55
persiaStevenK: No.  I'm a special case.  imbrandon and I looked at it about 5 months ago, and didn't understand it, but I didn't actually care then.03:55
imbrandonHobbsee: it should have instructions in the MOTD03:55
imbrandonon login03:56
Hobbseeimbrandon: that doesnt come up for sparky anymore.03:56
Ash-Foximbrandon, slight problem. I use 'dpkg-scanpackages', which doesn't seem to create a 'Release' file.03:56
persiaHobbsee: I can log in and comment, just not resync or authorise reviewers.03:56
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StevenKAsh-Fox: apt-ftparchive release <path>03:56
Hobbseepersia: yeah, but to fix that, i need to know what you use to login to revu with03:56
mok0I need some suggestions on how to set up pbuilders so I can easily build both amd64 and i386 packages...03:56
imbrandonAsh-Fox: you could always use falcon :)03:57
persiaHobbsee: emmet.hikory@gmail.com (hurrah for spam filters)03:57
imbrandonmok0: there should be instructions on how to do just that in the pbuilder howto on the wiki03:57
Hobbseepersia: Altering emmet.hikory@gmail.com to level admin03:58
mok0imbrandon: thx, I will have a look...03:58
imbrandonmok0: np, after you read it if you have any specific questions feel free to ask in here03:58
persiaHobbsee: What does that do?  Is there a web interface for sync / authorise now?  My issue is with the ssh key sync.03:58
Hobbseepersia: ssh revu.tauware.de doesnt give you a nice p/w prompt?03:58
Hobbseesorry, ssh key prompt?03:59
persiaHobbsee: Nope.  There's something funny about my key and sparky.  It's not a revu issue.03:59
imbrandonpersia: ahh i fixed that i thought03:59
Hobbseeright.  i wonder how one fixes a key, etc.03:59
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pkernREVU fun? (:04:00
Hobbseeoh, i see.04:00
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imbrandonHobbsee: it was some funky lf issues in the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys for his user so you would need to edit it as root04:00
Hobbseeimbrandon: yep04:00
imbrandonbut i rember fixing it in the script04:00
imbrandonthat syncs it04:01
imbrandonor so i thought04:01
StevenKIf you edit it as root, make sure the ownership is correct04:01
bddebianHeya gang04:01
persiaimbrandon: I think you fixed the script, but we never went back and tested it.  No worries - it wasn't important until this week :)04:01
Hobbseeimbrandon: next stupid question, where is persia's home account?04:01
imbrandonin /home/<lp-id>04:01
pkernbddebian: Mind you, I am German and sleep at night. Well, or later. ;o)04:01
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Hobbseehobbsee@sparky:/home$ ls persia*04:02
Hobbseels: persia*: No such file or directory04:02
Hobbseeimbrandon: i'm not *that* dumb :)04:02
dholbachnorsetto: what about NEWS.Debian?04:02
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dholbachnorsetto: I didn't get your question04:02
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pkernbddebian: At least I'm not awake at 6AM local time ;)04:02
bddebianpkern: :-)  Good, I was thinking maybe I offended you too or so? :)04:02
imbrandonhrm lemme see if i can get to a box with my ssh keys on it and look04:02
CyberMattwhen will the next resybc be or can someone do it now04:02
persiaimbrandon: No rush.04:02
persiaCyberMatt: It's underway now.  It takes a couple hours.04:03
pkernCool, can I get an account too? :-P04:03
Hobbseeimbrandon: of course, whether this machine has been resynced since persia got MOTU is a very interesting question too.04:03
pkernpersia: It doesn't.04:03
HobbseeCyberMatt: it's done now04:03
norsettodholbach: Do you think is it enough to have it? Because when I install with apt-get or synaptic I'm not getting any feedback from it.04:03
persiaHobbsee: It was at least once, but I think only once.04:03
imbrandonHobbsee: it should sync once every 4 hours iirc04:03
dholbachnorsetto: to have it for what?04:03
persianorsetto: Install apt-listchanges to see the NEWS files04:03
Hobbseeimbrandon: right.  i thought all the autosync stuff got turned off.04:04
dholbachnorsetto: I don't think I ever made use of the NEWS.Debian file04:04
norsettodholbach: OK, you missed the rprevious question; its about bug 14718804:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 147188 in sensors-applet "Sensors-applet report Core 2 Duo temp as A (Ampere)" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14718804:04
pkernHobbsee: How long does the sync take now on feeled average?04:04
dholbachnorsetto: what do you or Alex want to put into the news file?04:04
CyberMattits says its already uploaded04:04
dholbachnorsetto: ok, got it04:05
imbrandonHobbsee: do me a favor and cat /etc/crontab and see when it syncs please04:05
dholbachnorsetto: hrm, why do we apply that patch in the first place?04:05
CyberMattI must sound like an n00b04:05
norsettodholbach: the warning that the applet should be removed and re-installed for the changes to take effect04:05
pkernNow that sync cron stuff we had quite often now.04:05
pkernAnd nobody found it. :-P04:05
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HobbseeCyberMatt: yeah, give me a bit, i'm fighting with it.04:06
dholbachnorsetto: is there no other way but purge & install?04:06
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persiadholbach: It's not a purge/install, it's a "Remove from panel, Add to panel".04:07
imbrandonpkern: hehe we actualy have a "team" to admin them but i've been slacking ( pkern its in #ubuntuwire if your interested in the future when things settle )04:07
dholbachpersia: oh ok04:07
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norsettodholbach: its not purge/install, its just removing from the panel and reinstalling04:07
CyberMattsure ill go get Anope irc services and work on that package for a while04:08
dholbachnorsetto: right - it's very hard to hack this into the code04:08
imbrandonHobbsee: it might have , but not afaik, i am hoping it dident so it will resync my keys also04:08
imbrandonthus asking you to check04:08
norsettodholbach: yes, so, is it worth adding it to preinst?04:08
dholbachnorsetto: what firefox does is print "please restart all running firefoxes, ..." during installation04:08
norsettodholbach: postinst actually04:08
dholbachyou can't guarantee that people will read it04:08
StevenKFirefox also does a notify04:09
CyberMattI like irc stuff and there's not much in the universe04:09
dholbachbut I guess it's the easiest04:09
norsettodholbach: yes, you can, but I think it is better than a NEWS that nobody even know it exists04:09
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dholbachdebconf notice would work too04:09
dholbachthat's more work04:09
norsettodholbach: yeah, ok, I will add a postint with the notice then04:10
CyberMatthence inspircd Anope BOPM04:10
dholbachgreat, norsetto04:10
persiajoejaxx: I'm now very confused.  If I execute update-menus, the menus get updated.  update-menus is definitely called in the postinst.  The actual menu update seems delayed somehow (by some minutes).  I'm guessing it's that the XDG menu building process for the logged-in user waits for idle time to execute, so that even though the menu files are updated, the user may not see them.04:10
imbrandonCyberMatt: you dont have to stick strictly to universe, main bugs are alsways welcome fixes too, you just need diffrent sponsors for uploads ( but there are core-devs in here too, including myself )04:10
norsettodholbach: danke!04:10
persiadholbach: Thanks for the debhelper suggestion.  That's much more visible.04:10
joejaxxpersia: interesting04:10
HobbseeCyberMatt: right, it should appear.04:10
StevenKblueyed: I'm guessing it failed04:11
pkernimbrandon: I thought there were almost no admins besides siretart?04:12
pkernimbrandon: And only sparky left?04:12
blueyedStevenK: no, it was missing a dependency (because of the component). I've re-uploaded it as ~ppa1, which is now PendingRemoval. I'll try a re-upload as "3".04:13
StevenKblueyed: Way cool04:13
imbrandonpkern: there is like 4 admins ( me ajmitch siretart and seveas ) and yea alot of the boxes are gone now, but not perminately04:13
CyberMattI didn't mess up04:14
TheMusopersia: As one who has access to sparky, how can I now help with revu work if its needed?04:15
TheMusoOr anybody else? ^^04:16
persiaTheMuso: You can get a REVU admin to add you to the REVU admin group.  If you do this, you can then run a few special commands, and get access to special areas on-disk.  This allows you to resync the keyring, authorise people to comment (e.g. non-LP-primary email addresses), clean up after broken uploads, troubleshoot upload issues, check for accout statuses, etc.04:17
TheMusoAh ok.04:17
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pkernimbrandon: Not sistpoty or so?04:18
Hobbseeimbrandon: i'm an admin too now, btw04:18
Hobbseeat least of this one04:18
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imbrandonHobbsee: ahh cool, yea its been a while since i have worried about any of this heh04:19
persiaCyberMatt: REVU includes some automated package checking tools: look at the linda and lintian links.  Ideally you'll update the package so that these are nearly empty (there are a couple exceptions).  For extra cleanliness, call lintian and linda with the arguments listed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing04:19
siretartyes, we added some more people as admins on sparky04:19
imbrandonjust been back a week or so ;)04:19
Hobbseeimbrandon: :)04:19
siretarthi imbrandon hi Hobbsee04:19
Hobbseehiya siretart!04:19
imbrandonheya siretart04:19
siretartcheck /etc/sudoers04:19
pkernsiretart: You're on?04:19
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imbrandonsiretart: i'm having Hobbsee redo my key from LP ( trying to update them now )04:19
siretartneed to leave again, heading home!04:19
siretartimbrandon: ok04:20
siretartI'lll be back on in a few minutes04:20
pkernOk (:04:20
imbrandoncept firefox seems to have died Hobbsee give me a few minutes i seem to be having issues04:20
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pkernCould somebody set me up a REVU account? I could also just wait for siretart, no problem. Just to know who's in charge.04:21
pkernOr rather sparky.04:21
siretartpkern: shell account on sparky? - sure. please write me an email with what  you have in mind doing on sparky.04:21
bddebianDon't do it, he's secretly a Debian plant ;-P04:21
joejaxxpersia: wait for the short period before it updated was that after package installation or after you did it maually?04:22
joejaxxpersia: if i do it manually it builds it right then04:22
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persiajoejaxx: Package installation.  For manual, were you running as the local user, or as root?04:23
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joejaxxas i wanted it system wide04:23
persiajoejaxx: Well, that's extra confusing then.04:23
siretartbddebian: what makes you think I didn't become a Debian plant as well? ;)04:24
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bddebiansiretart: :)04:25
StevenKYeah, the implant doesn't hurt at all. *twitch* *twitch*04:25
persiasiretart: One cannot become a plant (although one can be turned...)04:25
StevenKpersia: Semantics. :-P04:25
persiaStevenK: The justification for language04:26
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joejaxxpersia: yeah it is04:29
joejaxxpersia: too bad there is not a simple explanation about it04:29
persiajoejaxx: Aside from being annoying, what does this break?  I'm not finding an answer, and thinking a workaround might be easier in the time remaining.04:30
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joejaxxwell the fluxbox menu depends on it04:30
persiajoejaxx: Ah.  Is this new for fluxbox 1.0.0, or was it also true for 1.0.0rc3?04:31
joejaxxi believe it was true of rc3 as well04:31
joejaxxi would have to do a test though04:31
asacpkern: why did you upload a new upstream version of flashplugin-nonfree?04:31
joejaxxfluxbox has had a new maintainer since 0.904:31
joejaxxwell in debian that is04:32
persiajoejaxx: No need.  I was just worried that the recent effort to get a release rather than an RC in had broken that.04:32
Ash-FoxHow do one define the distribution in a apt.conf file? I've been looking in the man file apt.conf(5) and I can't find it.04:32
joejaxxpersia: oh alright04:32
asacpkern: we talked about aa new package revision ... not a full upstream update04:32
imbrandonpersia: your lp-id is persia correct ?04:32
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persiaAsh-Fox: There's slightly more verbose documentation in the apt-doc package04:33
persiaimbrandon: Yep.04:34
joejaxxpersia: i can have update-menus to run through a settings package that i have04:34
Ash-Foxpersia, thanks.04:35
joejaxxpersia: but it is kind of pointless if no applications after that will be on the menu04:35
asacpkern: please fix flashplugin-nonfree now!04:35
asacpkern: you dropped all ubuntu specific changes04:35
persiajoejaxx: You could, but without understanding the issue, I'm not sure that helps.04:35
joejaxxbut that does fix the problem of fluxbox coming up without a menu04:35
asacpkern: Npp- headers in control04:35
joejaxxpersia: ^04:35
persiajoejaxx: Is fluxbox default anywhere?04:35
asacpkern: i have to update the plugin db and now flashplugin-nonfree isn't found anymore because of this04:35
asacpkern: so please hurry ;)04:35
joejaxxpersia: default anywhere?04:35
persiajoejaxx: Part of a default session for something planned to be released.04:36
joejaxxah yes04:36
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asacpkern: further there is not a single word about the upstream version upgrade in the changelog04:38
persiajoejaxx: If it's default, I'm tempted to fix it somewhere other than in a separate -settings package.  That seems like a last resort due to weak coupling04:38
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joejaxxpersia: yeah04:41
joejaxxit is last resort :P04:41
joejaxxi rather fix the larger issue04:42
persiajoejaxx: I'm getting unreproducible behaviour.  Sometimes the menu files are still there after `dpkg -P sgt-puzzles`, and sometimes they're not.  The same for installation.  If I do nothing for a bit, things become more sane (although the timing varies).04:42
joejaxxthe reason why there is no menu in fluxbox is because the menu is including a fluxbox men-method generated file which is not generated04:43
joejaxxpersia: that is interesting04:43
persiajoejaxx: Is this consistently reproducible?  I'm getting better behaviour the more times I try it, which may be related to file caching (including archive caching).04:44
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persiajoejaxx: Also, try enabling debug in /etc/menu-methods/menu.config.  That may help to determine how/where it's blocking.04:49
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joejaxxpersia: yeap04:50
joejaxxit is reproducible04:50
joejaxxi just installed four packages that i know have debian menus04:50
joejaxxand it is not going through the metu-methods04:51
joejaxxok i will try that04:51
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pkernasac: Well do.04:56
pkernasac: *Will do04:56
joejaxxpersia: just says forking to background :P04:56
joejaxxi wonder how i can stop it from doing that04:57
persiajoejaxx: Reading the source, it appears that update-menus forks when first called, and the child waits for the dpkg-lock to clear.  Additional calls are nop events, as update-menus doesn't allow itself to be run twice.  When the dpkg lock clears (and all the menu files should be installed), update-menus processes everything currently installed on the system, and completely rebuilds the menus.  Before processing everything, it attempts to get a sp04:57
persiajoejaxx: You really don't want it not to fork.  It reads all the menu files every time, so installing more than one package would be a nightmare.04:58
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DktrKranzpkern, that FTBFS on aolserver4-msopenssl is now solved05:00
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pkernDktrKranz: Thanks.05:00
pkernasac: pm, urgent.05:00
DktrKranznp...this time it was just a give back05:00
persiajoejaxx: Are you ny any chance testing on a fast dual-core or dual-proc machine?  It may be a race condition (which is why it works when run manually: dpkg isn't locking)05:02
persiajoejaxx: I must be off.  Best of luck.05:07
persiaHobbsee: Thanks for all your work.  I'll try a test in ~6/7 hours, and again in ~20 (just in case).05:08
joejaxxpersia: no i mean instantly start after dpkg is done :D05:08
Hobbseepersia: i dotn think imbrandon's fixed it, has he?05:08
persiajoejaxx: It's supposd to start right off when the lock is freed.05:08
joejaxxpersia: yeah but it is not :\05:09
persiaHobbsee: Ah.  I thought you were attacking it wildly.  I'll ping him later.05:09
Hobbseepersia: i odn tknow what will happen if i just add you as a user...05:09
persiajoejaxx: Right.  The fork is never returning.  Perhaps a race condition.  If verbosity=debug doesn't help, perhaps putting more debug statments in wait_dpkg may help.05:10
persiaHobbsee: No worries.  I certainly don't want to break anything.05:10
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pkernbddebian: What the heck is a Debian plant?05:17
bddebianpkern: A spy.  Sent here by Debian to bring down Ubuntu ;-P05:18
joejaxxbddebian: lol05:20
joejaxxoh a "plant"05:20
joejaxxas in placed :P05:20
pkernAs in placed. Now that explains it.05:20
pkernbddebian: ACK then. Obviously.05:21
geserHi bddebian05:22
bddebianheya geser05:25
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hendrixskiIf I want to change a dpatch, instead of patching the patch... I try going into dpatch-edit-patch 0#_patchname and then I want to apply what that patch does so that I can change it... what commands should I run?05:54
hendrixski'cause I tried dpatch apply 0#_patchname and it says failed, I tried patch ./ < debian/patches/0#_patchanem.dpatch  etc. etc.  none of that seems to make the changes inside the dpatch-edit-patch base that I need it to make :-(05:56
hendrixskiany advice?05:56
norsettohendrixski: dpatch-edit-patch should already apply all the changes up to and including the patch you are editing05:59
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hendrixskinorsetto, oh?06:00
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hendrixskiIt looked like it was only applying up to the previous patch :-(06:00
norsettohendrixski: it shouldn't, check it out again06:01
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blueyedStevenK: it has been built finally! See https://edge.launchpad.net/~blueyed/+archive/+builds?build_text=virtualbox&build_state=all06:01
hendrixskihhmm, I say that because the patch is supposed to add a file to a directory, but it doesn't seem to do so :-(06:02
norsettohendrixski: are you running the command at the top of the source tree?06:03
norsettohendrixski: check the messages it gives, it should report what it applied06:03
hendrixskinorsetto, I think so... it's not the one with the .dsc and .tar.gz  it's the first directory with code06:04
norsettohendrixski: what dirs are in the dir with the .dsc etc.?06:05
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hendrixskia few actually... I'm tinkering with mythtv, mythplugins, and mythstream... so all their folders, and .gz and all are in the same one... I'm applying it from the mythtv-trunk####/ folder... is that not the top of the source tree? and should the level up from that be clean except for the package itself?06:07
hendrixskiI'll try it from a level higher :-)06:08
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hendrixskiNope.. it doesn't work from a level higher :-(06:12
norsettohendrixski: you can also specify the unpacked source directory with the -s option06:12
norsettohendrixski: in any case, can you paste in a pastebin what dpatch reports?06:12
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)06:13
norsettohendrixski: it reports that the patch is applied correctly: applying patch 06_ubuntu_directories to ./ ... ok.06:16
norsettohendrixski: so, whatever it is in there is applied. If its a new file, check the right path, or use find, it must be there06:17
hendrixskihhmmm, Ok,,, I'm re-downloading the source...maybe I hozed soemthing before when I did dpatch-edit-patch wrong the last time...06:18
hendrixskioh right.  find command :-)06:18
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norsettohendrixski: maybe you gave a wrong path or you used it in a chroot, so its in /temp somewhere06:19
hendrixskiyikes! it's possible that changes made while in the dpatch-edit-patch mode can get lost in /temp?06:21
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dholbachI'm calling a day! see you guys tomorrow!06:35
norsettodholbach: bye!06:37
dholbachbye norsetto06:37
Hobbseebye dholbach!  not going to stay around for the rc?06:37
dholbachHobbsee: I need to get something to eat06:38
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dholbachsee you around!06:39
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asisakbye dholbach06:41
asisakHey Hobbsee06:41
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asisak(with the hope that norsetto does not ruin the rc)06:41
bluekujatake care asisak ;)06:42
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bddebianDoes anyone know why boswars got rejected?06:52
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Hobbsee!info boswars06:53
ubotuPackage boswars does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas06:53
Hobbsee!info boswars gutsy06:53
Hobbseedid you check ubuntu-archive archives?06:53
ubotuPackage boswars does not exist in gutsy06:53
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amachu_bluekuja: hi07:02
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bddebianHobbsee: Aye it got rejected out of NEW but how do I find out why?07:02
jpatrickright we in FF? No NEW uploads?07:04
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bluekujaamachu_: heya :)07:04
amachu_bluekuja: hey :-)07:04
bluekujaamachu_: happy to have you here07:04
Hobbseebddebian: u-a ml07:04
bddebianjpatrick: it was uploaded on 8/2907:05
bluekujaamachu_: what are you packaging-side references?07:05
jpatrickah right07:05
amachu_bluekuja: happy to have you too..07:05
amachu_bluekuja: packaging-side references?07:05
amachu_i am unable to get the meaning exactly07:06
bluekujaamachu_: I mean have you ever packaged something?07:06
amachu_no not yet07:06
bluekujaamachu_: have you ever read out some guidelines?07:06
bluekujaamachu_: like?07:06
bddebianAh, contained binary dlls07:07
amachu_i began with07:08
bluekujaamachu_: did you read my section on the packaging guide?07:09
amachu_and its in middle...07:09
bluekujaamachu_: debian/rules area in fact07:09
amachu_started and halted a bit07:09
amachu_saw the mail a while back07:09
amachu_and pinged you07:09
Whoopiealbert23: hi, did you find the time to test uswsusp again?07:09
amachu_i will catch up with them and get back to you07:10
bluekujaamachu_: well done, I think we should start doing a package then07:10
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bluekujaamachu_: you told me you're ready from a teorical point of view07:10
bluekujaso let's move to pratic side07:10
bluekujaamachu_: are you interested in a package in particular?07:11
albert23Whoopie: yes, I did. It couldn't resume again. The splash did show nicely when it went in hibernate though07:11
bluekujaamachu_: something you use often or would like to have included in the archive?07:11
amachu_few min..07:11
amachu_i have come across few07:11
Whoopiealbert23: what happened on resume?07:11
amachu_let me try recollecting07:11
albert23Whoopie: it just rebooted, so I lost my swap again07:12
amachu_the scim-tables-additional07:12
amachu_few new keyboard tables to be added to that07:12
amachu_for indian languages07:13
albert23Whoopie: Without uswsusp hibernate and resume work fine07:13
amachu_bluekuja: you there07:13
bluekujaamachu_: do you have an upstream website for that?07:13
bluekujaamachu_: yeah, sorry for the delay07:14
Whoopiealbert23: that's really strange. do you have any idea why it just rebooted? did you check the initramfs size before and after install?07:14
Whoopiealbert23: would be interesting if it's the initramfs update which happens during install.07:14
amachu_bluekuja: http://www.scim-im.org/07:14
bluekujaamachu_: I guess scim is already packaged07:15
albert23Whoopie: no, I only checked if the right uuid was in /etc/initramfs/conf.d/resume07:15
bluekujaandrea@nightsong:~$ apt-cache madison scim07:15
bluekuja      scim | 1.4.7-1ubuntu2 | http://it.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages07:16
bluekuja      scim | 1.4.7-1ubuntu2 | http://it.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Sources07:16
Whoopiealbert23: did you edit /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh based on the patch I provided in bug 109151?07:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 109151 in uswsusp "no hibernate with uswsusp installed" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10915107:16
bluekujaamachu_: seems to be already in07:16
amachu_its scim-tables-additional07:16
Whoopiealbert23: because it looks to me, you didn't. /etc/initramfs/conf.d/resume is uninteresting for uswsusp07:16
amachu_with few modifications07:16
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bluekujaamachu_: cant find it inside that website07:17
albert23Whoopie: uswsusp does change that resume file in the config script07:17
bluekujaamachu_: another link?07:17
bluekujamaybe direct would be better07:17
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amachu_bluekuja: this is the debian equivalent http://packages.debian.org/scim-tables-additional07:17
bluekujaamachu_: well a sync would be ok then07:18
Whoopiealbert23: could you pastebin your /etc/uswsusp.conf ?07:18
albert23Whoopie: I patched the source files with the debdiff07:18
bluekujaif debian got it already07:18
bluekujaamachu_: leaving for dinner, bbl (30 mins)07:18
albert23Whoopie: one minute, I must install it again07:18
amachu_bluekuja: ok07:18
Whoopiealbert23: and please apply http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9582145/acpi-support_uswsusp.patch07:19
amachu_bluekuja: dinner?07:19
amachu_which geography are you from?07:20
gnomefreakwhen a package is archived in revu without comments what does that mean?07:22
hendrixskinorsetto, hey..  just wanted to say thanks... turns out that my patch was going into the wrong directory,  if you hadn't recommended find then I wouldn't have found that out.  :-) thanks07:23
norsettohendrixski: hey, no problem, glad I could help07:23
norsettoamachu: bluekuja is from North Italy, they eat at indecent times .....07:24
amachunorsetto: dinner?07:24
norsettoamachu: yes07:25
amachunorsetto: ok07:25
albert23Whoopie: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40279/07:26
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Whoopiealbert23: and you applied the acpi-support patch?07:27
albert23Whoopie: yes, I just did07:28
albert23Whoopie: should I now hibernate again?07:29
Whoopiealbert23: wait a sec07:29
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gnomefreakany motus feel  like acking and pushing http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=360 its been done since sept 20th or so i updated changelog for the day i built it for the 2nd time since i had to reinstall. the person that i expected to upload it isnt maybe busy i dont know07:30
Whoopiealbert23: please change the "resume device" to the /dev/sdaXX instead of the UUID. Then "sudo update-initramfs -k 2.6.22-14-generic -c"07:31
Whoopiealbert23: and then try hibernating.07:31
albert23Whoopie: in uswsusp.conf?07:32
Whoopiealbert23: yes07:32
pkerngnomefreak: Rationale for deactivation of debian/patches/00list/82_prefs_ubuntu?07:32
hendrixskiah crap... when I run debuild -S where does it dump the binary again? /var/something or other?07:35
Hobbseeparent directory?07:35
hendrixskiHobbsee, hhmm, it's not there...07:36
hendrixskioh, I haven't set up my GPG on this computer yet :-(07:36
deitarionI'm a Gentoo-using application developer who wants to make source packages and feed them to my Launchpad PPA for building. Will I need any tools other than the Gentoo packages equivalent to build-essential, dpkg, gnupg, diff, and patch? I asked in #ubuntu and was directed here.07:36
pkernYou should install Debian devscripts and stuff.07:37
albert23Whoopie: hanging now, with the progress bar at 100%07:38
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Whoopiealbert23: one step forward :) same was here, but I thought, it was my laptop. :(07:38
albert23Whoopie: I think the splash changed to a lower resolution then I normally have?07:38
Whoopiealbert23: it uses /etc/usplash.conf as source for the resolution07:39
albert23Whoopie: so now just a hard reboot? Network is also still down07:40
Whoopiealbert23: yes, sorry07:40
albert23Whoopie: no problem, it can't be as bad as what mkswap did yesterday07:41
Whoopiealbert23: great, thanks for your help. We need to find out why your /etc/uswsusp.conf had UUID and why it hangs at 100%07:42
deitarionpkern: Are there any more specific names I can take to the people in #gentoo as examples? I suspect that I need to write a new ebuild for them, but I'd like to be sure.07:42
albert23Whoopie: no problem07:43
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bluekujaamachu: back07:44
amachubluekuja: hey07:45
amachubluekuja: i was asking which geography are you from07:45
bluekujaamachu: I'm italian07:45
bluekujaamachu: north italy, near venice07:45
pkerndeitarion: I'm not on Gentoo anymore and I suspect packages.g.o is still down? ;)07:46
pkerndeitarion: Is there a replacement available?07:46
amachuam from chennai07:46
bluekujaamachu: cool, what timezone?07:46
amachubluekuja: its UTC + 5:3007:46
bluekujaoh :D07:46
deitarionpkern: I'm using the eix command with the "including overlays not active on this machine" extension, so I wouldn't know. A partial list of the more important tools I need should be enough though.07:46
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bluekujaamachu: anyway, scim-tables-additional is inside ubuntu as well07:47
bluekujaamachu: use madison to to find out07:47
bluekujaamachu: usage apt-cache madison packagename07:47
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bluekujaand you'll get it07:47
pkerndevscripts (as found on ftp.d.o), dpkg-dev (which is included with dpkg), debhelper (as found on ftp.d.o) come to mind.07:47
hendrixskiwhat's madison?07:48
Whoopiealbert23: <Mithrandir> Whoopie: hanging on 100% is known, alt-sysrq-k fixes it.07:48
Whoopiealbert23: could you try it? I'm also doing it here.07:49
bluekujaamachu: first step07:49
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bluekujaamachu: find a source to package07:49
bluekujaamachu: something you think it's useful to have packaged07:49
bluekujaamachu: something you love07:49
amachuand that should not be in ubuntu now07:49
bluekujaamachu: something that can improve ubuntu07:49
amachubluekuja: ok07:49
albert23Whoopie: ok, will try07:49
bluekujaamachu: yep07:50
amachui will07:50
deitarionpkern: OK. One other question: I've been considering just setting up an Ubuntu chroot on my system and I was wondering how much space that would probably take and how to get a nice minimal compilation-oriented setup.07:50
bluekujaamachu: so check if the package is already in, both using madison or Ubuntu/Debian PTS07:50
Whoopiealbert23: it worked here.07:50
amachumadison is ok07:50
geserhendrixski: there is also rmadison (remote madison) in devscripts (gutsy) with which you can also check other releases and also Debian07:50
amachuUbuntu/Debian PTS?07:50
bluekujaamachu: packaging tracking system07:51
bluekujaamachu: so packages.u.c07:51
bluekujaor packages.d.o07:51
geserpts is pacakges.qa.d.o07:51
pkerndeitarion: 1G? I expect it to grow as you install dev packages. 256M minimal I guess.07:52
bluekujageser: yeah but generally packages.d.o07:52
amachubluekuja: then07:52
pkerndeitarion: Install debootstrap, that's in Gentoo.07:52
amachui have make a ubuntu package right?07:52
bluekujaamachu: then you should apply what you've learnt on all the guides you told me before07:52
pkerndeitarion: Or maybe fetch it from archive.ubuntu.com, because gutsy scripts are included.07:52
bluekujaamachu: and if you find something not clear, you ask me07:52
deitarionpkern: Sounds like I'll just do that then. My root drive (as opposed to my media drive) has around 340GiB free at the moment.07:52
bluekujaamachu: we will try to improve the package step by step07:53
bluekujaamachu: but It would be nice to see what you can/cant do atm07:53
albert23Whoopie: no luck here, still hanging07:53
amachui will find a source then07:53
bluekujaamachu: at the moment07:53
Whoopiealbert23: really? press the sequence once more.07:53
bluekujaamachu: sorry for using this abbreviations07:53
amachuno problems07:54
bluekujaamachu: I'm here for anything, so feel free to ping me07:54
albert23Whoopie: I need to use fn to get sysrq, but  that also makes the k into a 2. Could that be the problem?07:54
amachuthank you07:54
bluekujaamachu: I'm your mentor now, so I'm glad to help you07:54
Whoopiealbert23: here, it's "shift+print+alt+k"07:55
bluekujaamachu: and I'll work with until I see your application sent to the MC07:55
bluekujaamachu: MC = MOTU Council07:55
bluekujaamachu: good search for now07:56
amachudoing that07:56
albert23Whoopie: doesn't work either.07:57
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Whoopiealbert23: sh*07:58
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Whoopiealbert23: tested again. works here. I think, you should check if the sequence is correctly recognized.08:01
albert23Whoopie: tried another time, no luck again08:04
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amachubluekuja: icewesel??08:09
bluekujaamachu: already in debian08:10
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amachubluekuja: there is a this http://www.nsc.res.in/~elab/phoenix/software/index.html08:19
amachuwhich we demonstrated recently08:19
amachui will check it out with a friend of mine08:20
amachuthat would also help ubuntu pushing into few colleges08:20
bluekujaamachu: it's just one file?08:20
amachui need to check it out08:22
amachuwill get back to you on that08:22
Whoopiealbert23: sorry, I did what I could. But now, someone with more knowledge about usplash has to look into it.08:22
bluekujaamachu: perfect :)08:22
bluekujaamachu: I would suggest you to start with an easy package08:23
bluekujaamachu: python uses a different policy08:23
bluekujaamachu: and I want you to learn basic packaging before moving to python/library packaging08:23
amachuoh.. ok08:23
albert23Whoopie: Just tried in xkeycaps. The FN key indeed turns the K into a 208:25
Whoopiealbert23: but why do you need Fn for sysrq? never saw such a keyboard layout.08:26
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albert23Whoopie: it's a laptop. So FN+K is keypad 208:27
albert23But xkeycap learned me how to do it :-)08:27
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sladenWhoopie: what are you running, xubuntu, edubuntu, kubuntu, gobuntu, ubuntu ?08:42
sladenWhoopie: do you see the problem08:42
sladenWhoopie: assuming you're talking about off-centerness08:42
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amachubluekuja: fontforge is there, but fontutils?08:47
amachuwill that help..08:47
bluekujaamachu: fontutils for fontforge?08:48
bluekujaupstream link?08:48
amachubluekuja: this should be useful, http://directory.fsf.org/project/html2pdf/08:53
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bluekujaamachu: html2pdf is not in debian or ubuntu? checked already?08:56
bluekujaamachu: if not, is there an ITP around inside debian BTS?08:56
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amachui checked once08:58
amachulet me confirm in few min08:58
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amachuhey.. html2ps is there09:03
amachubut bot html2pdf09:03
amachu* not09:03
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geserdoko: have you an idea how to solve bug #145561? it looks like gpc-4.1 computes the gcc-4.1 dependency based on the own package version09:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 145561 in gpc-4.1 "[UNMETDEPS]  gpc-4.1 has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14556109:07
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Whoopiesladen: I was talking about uswsusp + usplash. I re-added usplash support to it. see bug 10915109:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 109151 in uswsusp "no hibernate with uswsusp installed" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10915109:40
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albert23Whoopie: alt+sysrq+k works for me to get past 100%, but it starts a new session, not the old one09:50
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homanjwhen is the MOTU Q and A10:14
homanjsome time tomorrow right?10:14
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geserhomanj: Friday, October 12th, at 14:30 UTC in #ubuntu-classroom10:21
geserbug #15166410:22
ubotuBug 151664 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/151664 is private10:22
homanjgeser: thanks. that's what i thought.10:22
mdomschbug #15166410:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151664 in dell "DKMS uninstalls wrong file" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15166410:22
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=== pochu looks for a CORE-DEV :-) Any volunteers? Please :-)
geserpochu: there aren't many core-devs in #ubuntu-motu. try #ubuntu-devel11:10
pochugeser: already tried :(11:10
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geserpochu: I guess they are all busy with the rc11:11
pochugeser: if you were core... :)11:12
norsettopochu: wait few weeks ....11:12
gesernorsetto: what is in a few weeks?11:13
tonyyarussoOr, you know, UDS.11:14
norsettogeser: oh, you mean you have not yet applied? What you waiting for!?11:14
geserno, as I don't work much on packages in main11:15
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calcah pochu needs a core-dev11:22
calcpochu: whats up?11:22
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pochucalc: I need a sponsor for liferea: http://emilio.pozuelo.org/~deb/liferea_1.4.4-0ubuntu2.dsc :)11:23
pochucalc: slangasek approved it (in #ubuntu-devel).11:23
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Kmospochu: why not release 1.4.5 ?11:24
calcpochu: ok i'll double check with slangasek and then upload it for you11:24
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pochucalc: great, thanks a lot.11:24
pochuKmos: because we are *too* close to release, and then we only take bug fixes we care about.11:25
Kmospochu: ok11:26
KmosVersion 1.4.5b (Stable)11:28
Kmos        * Fixing wrong deallocation that prevents Liferea11:28
Kmos          from working with sqlite 3.5.x (SF #1811055).11:28
pochuKmos: we don't have 3.5.x ;)11:29
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Kmospochu: so don't need it :)11:30
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pkernDoes anyone know by chance how to parse an in-memory string with librdf?11:31
pkern(Python that is.)11:31
pkernUps... the c.perform() got thrashed. Ignore me. ;)11:33
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calcpochu: uploaded11:50
calc  liferea_1.4.4-0ubuntu2_source.changes: done.11:50
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pkernThe LP rdf sucks?11:54
hendrixskiwould anyone recommend a better chroot manual than this: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/appendix-chroot.html  ??11:54
hendrixskiI was hoping to try out schroot, but can't find anything well written about it11:54
hendrixskiand... also multiple chroots, but there's nothing in there about how to do that.  If you know of one, that does I'd be happy to read it. :-)11:55
bddebianLater folks11:55
pochusee you bddebian11:55
pkernsiretart: LP RDF sucks. No foaf:nick in team RDF.11:56
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norsettohendrixski: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot12:04
hendrixskinorsetto, nice.12:06
norsettohendrixski: it was pretty helpful for me12:06
hendrixskihhmm, it has both dchroot and schroot instruction on there12:07
imbrandonpkern: i asked for that feature and even filed a bug about it long long ago12:07
norsettohendrixski: forget dchroot12:07
hendrixskinorsetto, did you do the stuff in  the "Setting up a dchroot (non-root) environment" as well?12:07
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norsettohendrixski: no, I just setup an lpia chroot12:07
imbrandonpkern: when i was working on the ssh key sync script12:08
pkernimbrandon: Someone should beat them.12:08
pkernimbrandon: Same here.12:08
hendrixskithanks again... that's twice in one day.12:08
imbrandonpkern: ssh sync script?12:08
pkernimbrandon: User syncing first, but in the end, yes.12:08
norsettohendrixski: he, in my home country we say: there is no two without three .....12:08
imbrandonpkern: we did this many months ago and released it gpl2 ( we as in me and ajmitch  and fujitsu ) if you want i'll dig up a copy12:09
pkernnorsetto: What's that in your native language?12:09
imbrandonall you need to do is change the team12:09
hendrixskinorsetto, careful, I may just have a third thing I'll ask you today :-p12:09
norsettopkern: music :-)12:09
pkernimbrandon: Language?12:09
Simon80can someone please please please fix bug 123185 before gutsy comes out? it's just a merge of bochsbios from debian that is needed12:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 123185 in bochs "bochsbios too old for Windows XP with qemu" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12318512:09
pkernimbrandon: Well the concept is to use nss bdb.12:10
imbrandonnss bdb ?12:10
pkernimbrandon: libnss-db12:10
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pkernimbrandon: For passwd/shadow/groups.12:10
norsettohendrixski: not today, I'm off to bed in 5 min12:10
pkernnorsetto: No, the phrase.12:10
pkernNon c' duo...12:11
norsettopker: non c' due senza tre ?12:11
pkernsenze tre?12:11
norsettopkern: eh, almost perfect :-)12:11
pkern*senza of course12:11
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imbrandonpkern: ahh well this may help you with some of the screen scraping anyhow12:11
pkernnorsetto: Got rid of Italian after three years of studying it. ;)12:11
imbrandonone sec12:11
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norsettopkern: too bad, you must have been a promising student12:12
pkernnorsetto: Nope. It was the language I was worst in.12:12
pkernMainly lack of study, though.12:12
pkernFrench and English left. :-P12:12
Simon80anyone hear my nagging?12:12
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Simon80windows XP in qemu is broken on gutsy and all it takes is a simple merge to fix it12:12
Simon80all I want is for one developer to get that done, because I can't12:13
pkern"a simple merge"?12:13
imbrandonpkern: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/lpusers.py.txt12:13
Simon80a merge of bochbios from debian with no changes12:13
hendrixskiSimon80, are you sure it's only broken in qemu?  I heard it was broken on its own12:13
pkernNow merge's aren't "simple". Just applying patches is.12:14
mdomschScottK, re bug 151664, as I'm upstream for the package, I just fixed it in upstream and dropped a new upstream version12:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151664 in dell "DKMS uninstalls wrong file" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15166412:14
pkernimbrandon: Screen scraping is baaaad. Thanks, though.12:14
Simon80it's not even a merge, actually, it's a sync12:14
Simon80I didn't think about it :(12:14
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imbrandonpkern: that was the LP devs only sugestion untill they fixed it12:15
mdomschI could apply the same patch to the older version with a new 0ubuntu2 release I suppose12:15
sistpotyhi folks12:15
imbrandonpkern: that was over 6 months ago12:15
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imbrandonheya sistpoty12:15
sistpotyhi imbrandon12:15
pkernNow I slowly get to understand ScottK on how LP could disappoint oneself.12:15
pkernIt's one point not to provide a XMLRPC/SOAP API, but not to act on such simple requests.12:15
Simon80and hendrixski: with stock gutsy, qemu hangs on boot of windows XP.  After installing a slightly newer version of bochsbios from debian, things work the way they do in feisty, which is fine12:16
sistpotyjust a stupid question: what do I need to do to get an upload shoved through the queue? There is no "distro manager" team in LP, as the mail that I got states :P *g*12:16
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persiasistpoty: release-manager team?12:16
pkernsistpoty: Wait.12:16
sistpotypersia: no, it said "This upload awaits approval by a distro manager" ;)12:17
Simon80from bochbios 2.3-2 to 2.3+20070705-2, that's all that needs to be synced to fix this bug12:17
pkernsistpoty: Which are the archive admins in fact.12:17
imbrandonsistpoty: i would bug the RM12:17
Simon80hence my nagging and whining in here12:17
hendrixskiSimon80, i was just trying to lighten the mood with a joke12:17
persiasistpoty: I'm fairly sure that's https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release12:17
Simon80ah :(12:17
sistpotyok, maybe I'm lucky (but I don't think though, due to the release being just out *g*)12:18
pkernsistpoty: If it needs fasttracking maybe ask slangasek.12:18
pkernsistpoty: Otherwise I'd guess that it will be processed if it's universe.12:18
sistpotywell, it doesn't really need fast tracking, but I wouldn't want to get it lost in a queue until release though ;)12:18
pkernsistpoty: All my uploads were processed within some hours.12:19
pkernScottK: ping (firehol)12:19
sistpotypersia: not too sure, I thought Hobbsee couldn't shove things through the queue12:19
slangasekdon't worry, that queue will be empty before release, one way or another ;)12:19
sistpotyslangasek: cool, thanks! then I'll just go to bed and worry no longer :)12:19
slangasek(which package, OOI?)12:20
sistpotyslangasek: haskell-haskell-src12:20
slangasekbit of a wait then, lots of packages ahead in the queue :)12:21
sistpotyhehe, in a week is still acceptable for me :P12:22
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imbrandonsistpoty: too much debian in your blood ;)12:22
sistpotyimbrandon: haha, maybe just too much work and too few spare time to actually *do* an upload12:23
imbrandoni know i've had a new apt-mirror sitting on my hdd for a week and not uploaded it12:23
persiaSimon80: regarding bochs: whining and nagging here won't help.  Currently, there doesn't appear to be a plan to pull the new bochs.  The process is to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-1d28045481b8803d4815989e93edc4206f4848c4 to request a newer version (basically a lot of administrative work).  This can then be reviewed for inclusion.  Personally, I suspect that it will take a persuasive arguments to demonstrate that an C12:24
sistpotywell, I guess this was upload #3 or s.th. for the entire gutsy cycle from me *g*12:24
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sistpotyonly writing mails asking questions for MC otherwise *g*12:24
sistpotyok, gotta go to bed now, otherwise I'll be late at work tomorrow12:25
sistpotygn8 everyone12:25
norsettognight imbrandon, gnight all12:27
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hendrixskihhhmmm, sooo schroot can only create chroots using the scripts it has?  'cause it's not letting me create a gutsy schroot :-(12:29
persiahendrixski: Can you make a gutsy chroot with debootstrap?12:30
imbrandonpkern: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/10007912:30
slangasekschroot doesn't normally create the chroots afaik12:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 100079 in launchpad "more rdf team info" [Undecided,New] 12:30
imbrandonfound the bug i mentioned about the faof12:31
hendrixskipersia, I thought it does12:31
persiaslangasek: There's a schroot setup script from Kees on the wiki page about schroot that is being used for that.12:31
keescookit's part of the ubuntu-dev-tools (mk-sbuild-lv)12:32
hendrixskipersia,  I'm following this.... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot  I replaced breezy with gutsy, and it's didn't do anything :-(12:32
keescookit does depend on having LVM set upt.12:32
persiahendrixski: Use the distributed script rather than the wiki script.  Perhaps something changed.12:32
pkernimbrandon: Your report is mainly about ssh public key inlining, which I don't need.12:32
hendrixskipersia, which one is the distributed script?12:33
pkernOr which is superfluous and (if that's true) non-standard.12:33
imbrandonpkern: yea that was what come of the faof disscussion though12:33
persiahendrixski: aptitude install ubuntu-dev-tools12:33
imbrandonpkern: and also the addition of faof:nick as with the indvidual rdf for each member ( so a LP url can be constructed )12:34
imbrandon( from the desc )12:34
hendrixskipersia, sorry to be such a noob, I'm not finding ubuntu-dev-tools12:35
persiahendrixski: That wiki page seems a little old :)  To test debootstrap alone, I usually just make a directory, and run `debootstrap (release codename)` in that directory.12:35
persiahendrixski: You're using 6.10 then :)12:35
hendrixskipersia, I'm on feisty... 7.0412:37
persiahendrixski: Try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto.  You can use the schroots with `schroot -c $name`, and not bother with the sbuild bit, if you like.12:37
persiahendrixski: My apologies.  I thought there was an ubuntu-dev-tools for 7.04, but I could well be mistaken.12:37

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