[12:40] _16aR_: do you need to copy the same README, AUTHORS and NEWS in all your binary packages? === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.178.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] <_16aR_> norsetto: Is it an obligation ? I thought so [12:42] ScottK: aolserver4-nsopenssl is already rebuilt on all arches except amd64, which is why it showed up for me. [12:43] _16aR_: no, its not an obligations. But, its a bit silly to have them in two packages which are linked dependency-wise [12:43] _16aR_: like a lib and a lib-dev [12:43] <_16aR_> norsetto: I've got a question. When multiplebinary packages have been created from one source. How can we say : this libbalbla.so goes there, ths libbloublou.so goes there ? === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] <_16aR_> norsetto: sure [12:43] _16aR_: if the upstream makefile doesn't do it? [12:43] ScottK: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8792926/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.aolserver4-nsopenssl_3.0beta22-3build4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz -- That looks like an aolserver4 bug. [12:44] _16aR_: use .install or your install target to move them [12:44] <_16aR_> norsetto: so my .install has a function, no ? [12:45] DktrKranz: Could you look into that please? [12:45] DktrKranz: You fixed aolserver4 some time ago. [12:45] <_16aR_> debian/tmp/usr/lib/librvrutils.so.0.0.0 usr/lib/ in librvrutils0.install : if i have let it into debian/tmp/usr/lib/, it couldn't have spearated from librcfg, no ? [12:45] pkern, yes...looking [12:46] DktrKranz: Thanks. [12:46] pkern, is a new version? I don't recall any nsopenssl [12:47] <_16aR_> norsetto: and I've another question : is it OK to package every .so into 1 .deb ? I've seen some package like OpenSceneGraph which are all .so into 1 package [12:47] _16aR_: yes, because the second one is in debian/librvrutils/usr/lib [12:47] DktrKranz: No. [12:47] DktrKranz: Seperate source package. [12:48] ok, thanks [12:48] DktrKranz: But build failed in aolserver4 postinst. [12:48] On amd64 only, though. [12:48] anyway...it seems conflicting with an existing app which runs on port 80 [12:48] sounds weird only to amd64, though [12:48] <_16aR_> norsetto: finally I was not too wrong on this then ^^ Phew [12:49] _16aR_: you have few lintian E/W to work through too [12:49] _16aR_: no, it was ok (cdbs magic :-)) [12:49] DktrKranz: Buildd app probably [12:50] DktrKranz: And the second line looks strange too. [12:50] pkern, no amd64 boxes here...I'll try on PPA [12:50] DktrKranz: The second line is triggered. [12:50] DktrKranz: Address already in use was on i386 too. [12:51] Fatal: nsmain: prctl(PR_SET_DUMPABLE) failed: Invalid argument [12:51] that's the issue... [12:52] Exactly. === DktrKranz gets i386 too [12:53] It fails with "/usr/sbin/aolserver4-nsd: error while loading shared libraries: libnsd.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" here on install (amd64). [12:53] T [12:53] "Trying on recover" succeeds then afterwards. [12:53] s/on/to/ [12:55] pkern, could you please try to run it on your amd64 box to see if it fails to configure? [12:55] no problems here... [12:55] on i386 [12:56] DktrKranz: As said, it fails in postinst first, in trying to recover it succeeds. [12:56] whoops...didn't noticed... === lucas [n=lucas@xanadu.blop.info] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] pkern, ldd /usr/sbin/aolserver4-nsd | grep nsd.so [01:01] i get libnsd.so => /usr/lib/aolserver4/lib/libnsd.so (0xb7f51000) === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] Me too. May this be a confusing ldconfig trigger issue? [01:03] perhaps, not sure... === Toadstoo1 [n=jcorbier@cl-266.bru-01.be.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:10] pkern, gotta go right now, let's schedule that for tomorrow. I'll have a deeper look [01:11] ScottK: DktrKranz will look at aolserver4. [01:11] DktrKranz: Thanks. [01:11] pkern: Cool. Getting nervous about time ... [01:12] pkern: He's not yet a MOTU, so he'll need a sponsro [01:12] pkern, could I ping you to make some tests? [01:12] sponsor... [01:12] DktrKranz: Possibly. ;) [01:12] ScottK, np about that...I can ping bluekuja [01:12] ScottK: Where exactly is a problem with that? [01:12] zul: pkern got the dependency issue sorted on nspluginwrapper. Howabout an ack now? [01:12] pkern: With what? [01:13] ScottK: Getting a sponsor. ;) [01:13] pkern: yeah, np [01:13] Ah. Just mentioning. [01:13] But that makes me curious. apt-get rdepends is not entirely helpful because it's highly arch-dependent. === DktrKranz is going now... *really* [01:14] gnight all [01:14] Bye DktrKranz [01:14] gnight [01:14] pkern: Yes. I see that now. [01:15] g'night evrybody [01:15] g'night norsetto === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] <_16aR_> is it possible to run pbuilder without root privilege ? [01:24] _16aR_: No. [01:24] <_16aR_> but with a special account [01:24] <_16aR_> pkern: ok, that's bad [01:24] Well it needs the chroot capability. === evand [n=evand@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-motu === evand [n=evand@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul_ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dennda [n=dennda@ubuntu/member/dennda] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dennda [n=dennda@ubuntu/member/dennda] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === zerwas [n=fx@rgnb-4db08031.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:43] <_16aR_> How can I modify a .zip to an .orig.tar.gz without ruining the timestamps etc ? === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-122-216.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twanj [n=chatzill@c-75-74-146-27.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PhreeStyle-home [n=ross@c-71-235-128-5.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans__ [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-9274ecd2164f941d] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] hello, I'm interested in learning how to be a motu. I send an application in for a mentor a couple weeks ago and have not gotten any kind of response. I'm sure it's due to lack of manpower, so I'm wondering if someone here wouldn't mind being a mentor [02:06] PhreeStyle-home: Ok. I'm sure someone here will, but just hanging around here is also good :) [02:07] thanks :) I was begining to wonder if my message was sent [02:08] PhreeStyle-home: I'm a freshly minted MOTU, and I learnt primarily by hanging around here :) [02:08] well, I'm like a complete noob in all this...I am a windows developer, so coming into linux is a completely different ball game [02:09] I want to learn to eventually write applications for linux, so I figure a good start would be to learn how handle package management [02:09] PhreeStyle-home: Ooooh, a bona-fide developer. What language(s)? What would you like to do? :{ [02:09] :) === bigon_ [n=bigon@213.219.162.4.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:10] Well, I come from C#, so it's going to be a rough ride. [02:10] PhreeStyle-home: No, not at all. See mono :) [02:11] I'm interested in desktop development...I like making front ends for otherwise tedious tasks [02:11] Many of the windows apps youv'e coded should run without changes in linux anyway :) [02:11] PhreeStyle-home: Oh, hurray! We always need more frontends ;) === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] Actually, I have not had good luck with mono [02:11] Ah. [02:12] Well, your C# knowledge should be largely portable, at least :). [02:12] most of my applications go a little farther than a notepad clone and if I even touch a listview control, you can bet it won't work right in linux [02:12] I sure hope so :) [02:12] You'll probably want to learn the gtk# libraries, though. [02:13] the one thing that bothers me though is that mono is not highly looked upon [02:13] I was under the impression that as long as you didn't p/invoke, mono was very nearly a .net dropin. But I've never needed to test it. [02:13] PhreeStyle-home: Only by the uninformed. [02:14] possibly true [02:14] PhreeStyle-home: Mono is an official Gnome dependency. [02:14] (For tomboy, and f-spot) [02:14] well i figured I would end up writing gnome applications anyways...there's something about KDE that just rubs me the wrong way...not sure why === bigon_ [n=bigon@213.219.161.136.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:15] PhreeStyle-home: I find it's the amazing over-abundance of options, at least last time I checked :) [02:16] Well that's true, but I've always had problems with consistency...with theming, menu arrangements and last time I used it, it was very buggy....applications wouldn't start unless started two or three times [02:16] and that was 3 months ago...that's the scary part [02:16] So, there's actually nothing much that you need to know about packaging in order to do C# development. [02:17] well, even C# programs need to be packaged at some point, right? [02:17] RAOF: lack of information is not why I don't look highly upon mono. :) [02:17] slangasek: :P === albert23 [n=albert@86.81.99.204] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:17] PhreeStyle-home: True. But C# programs are generally easy, since your tools tend to put stuff in the right place automatically. === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bdelacey [n=chatzill@pool-68-163-238-36.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] slangasek: Why *do* you not look highly on mono? [02:18] i'm curious too...most say because of memory footprint and slowness [02:18] PhreeStyle-home: Basically, as long as you release a tarball that builds your project from source, it's easy enough to package. [02:18] (The frikkin' Tao project is an example of the contrary :() [02:19] PhreeStyle-home: take a look at monodevelop, 99% of my .net apps i write work without modification , normaly even not even recomilation in linux [02:19] just copy to the linux box, mono blah.exe and go, and no they arent notepad closes either [02:20] clones* [02:20] imbrandon: I tried monodevelop at version 0.14 and it crashed saving a code file only 5 lines long [02:20] RAOF: PhreeStyle-home seems to have nailed it; that's very nice and all that some folks find C# makes development faster, but I'd like to run my desktop on real-world hardware thanks [02:20] also, patents [02:20] PhreeStyle-home, I would start at reading some documentation and looking at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MTOU/TODO [02:20] er http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] slangasek: real world hardware? heh i do most of my development and packing on a p200 including mono [02:21] I looked at all the suggested reading for motu stuff, but I guess it will take a little hand-holding for me to understand it a bit better === RAOF runs *his* desktop on real-world hardware, and the only mono thing that's slow is banshee, because it uses rubbish data-structures. [02:21] PhreeStyle-home: feel free to ask away, we always try to help out when we can [02:22] PhreeStyle-home: Unless you're uncomfortable asking on a public channel like this, you don't *need* a mentor :) [02:22] We're all very friendly here. [02:22] that's good to know....alot of times I go into a channel and get ignored...that is obviously not the case here :) [02:22] (Except for LongPointyStick, she's sharp and dangerous :P) [02:22] :P [02:22] lol [02:23] So, what's the changelog syntax for closing multiple bugs at once again? (LP: #bug1, #bug2, #bug3)? [02:24] well let me ask a question then, if I were to try and learn gtk# programming in c#, what would be a good sample application to try and build? [02:24] PhreeStyle-home: As in: something we'd like to see, or something that exists that you can learn from? [02:24] I don't know.. either i guess [02:24] RAOF: LP: #foo, LP: #foo, IME [02:25] something easy :) [02:25] the first app I thought of making was a front end to mount cifs shares that actually works [02:25] but i figured that would be a bad way to start...especially if I were to hose the fstab file [02:26] That's probably not a great candidate right now, since gvfs is comming really soon now, and should be awesome. [02:26] banshie and f-spot are both gtk# iirc, but also not system.windows.forms also works just fine, i use that personaly for portability of pure .net accross windows/linux/osx [02:26] tomboy notes is probably good, too. That's fairly simple. [02:26] s/not/note [02:27] crimsun: Thanks. [02:27] so would it be a good idea to make it in system.windows.forms first, then try to port it to gtk#? Is that a good exercise? [02:28] PhreeStyle-home: personaly thats what i would do if you are wanting to learn gtk# , that way you see the relationship of them [02:29] but thats just how _i_ learn, do whats best for you [02:29] yea that might be the best thing then...if I have any problems running the system.windows.forms version on the linux side would I be able to get a little help in here? The mono channel is usually pretty empty [02:30] depends on the time and whats going on, but most likely a bit, but just rember its not a support chan and not all mono ( or even most ) devs [02:31] :) [02:31] i figured :) what is the most common programming language among devs? [02:31] in ubuntu ? python has a good following [02:33] Python *does* rock :) [02:34] it will be a while before I get comfortable with python...I went through a few tutorials and the whole time I was trying to relate the information with what I know about C# and I think that is a bad way to approach Python...at least for me === ajmitch hugs python [02:34] C is a perenial favourite for people who want their code to fail in mysterious ways on x86-64 === jtbl [n=jtbl@000-128-052.area2.spcsdns.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] (Libvisual, I'm looking at you!) === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:35] C++ for those krazy KDE folk. [02:35] pykde ( python ) is the kubuntu choice mostly [02:35] yea, I'm not a big C/C++ fan...I know that's what all operating systems are based on, but it's....different === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:36] RAOF: I like my C code to work on all architectures just fine :) [02:36] C (the way Gnome uses it)/C++ are OK. But as long as you've got unittests, python is so much more understandable I find. [02:37] slangasek: You obviously don't write uint32_t when you mean intptr_t all the time then :( [02:37] no, indeed I do not === RAOF screams at the number of apps that do that. [02:37] ok, I know this is really, really bad...and I will get yelled at for this...but I don't really know how to use unit tests [02:37] because I actually understand C :) [02:37] slangasek: sadly, not enough people do [02:37] RAOF: (have been an alpha porter for Debian for years; amd64 folks have it *easy*) [02:37] slangasek: You have the added fun of endianness, right? [02:38] (i.e., try running a 64-bit platform /before/ 64-bit has achieved critical mass) [02:38] i know it's good coding practice and all, but I could never figure out how to use the testing in my code [02:38] RAOF: nah, Linux/alpha is little-endian [02:38] PhreeStyle-home: Not a lot of people do use unittests, at least that I find. Test-driven-development (a quick google should help here) is wonderful though, especially in python. [02:39] You don't *have* to have unittests in python, but it's so much easier if you do :) === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-169-154-64.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger__ [n=me@N770P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === greeneggsnospam [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:09] Right. That upload closes all but one of the libvisual-plugins bugs. === persia congratulates RAOF [03:14] I've also updated the bug with the minimal autoreconf patch, for the OP's future reference. He at one point asked how small the changes could be :) [03:15] Not me that gets congratulating; good ol' darkmagez! [03:16] Well, DarkMageZ fixed all the bugs, but the patch has scared off many a revewer these past few months :) [03:17] This is true :) [03:19] blah...I loaded one button onto the stetic designer and monodevelop crashed :( === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] StevenK: re bug 151379: do you think it's OK to leave out the ABIVER from the module name? [03:22] Launchpad bug 151379 in virtualbox-ose-modules "Please provide virtualbox modules for 2.6.22-14" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151379 === bluefox_ [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:24] Heya gang [03:24] Heya bddebian [03:24] Hi RAOF [03:24] Hi bddebian [03:25] Hello blueyed === RAOF wonders whether the jakdaw visualisation is *meant* to give people photosensitive seizures [03:25] blueyed: Maybe, maybe not. The problem with leaving it out is people get confused when it doesn't load due to an ABI bump. [03:26] StevenK: but it won't load in any case, as long as there's no new version around, correct? [03:26] Therefor it should be somehow integrated in linux-meta, shouldn't it? [03:26] (at least in Hardy then) [03:28] StevenK: can you confirm that my debdiff did not work on any arch? [03:29] blueyed: With or without, it still won't build - the code is in virtualbox-source, and it doesn't build. [03:30] StevenK: pkern (when he wakes up I guess) has Bug #151288 sorted. If I could get another motu-uvf ack it'd be one less reason for Automatix to exist. [03:30] Launchpad bug 151288 in nspluginwrapper "UVFe: Please merge nspluginwrapper 0.9.91.5 from Debian Unstable (Contrib)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151288 [03:31] StevenK: asac ~blessed the upload. [03:32] ScottK: But zul commented "nack, please fix the dependency issue" [03:32] StevenK: Yes and pkern has it fixed. [03:32] He's tested it and everything. [03:32] Since he's MOTU, he'll just upload once I get an ack. [03:33] ScottK: Stamped. === pyc [n=loell@125.60.189.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:33] StevenK: Thanks. === pkern [n=pkern@debian/developer/pkern] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:34] Speak of the Devil :-) [03:34] Hah. [03:34] ;) [03:34] We were talking about him, not too him. :-P [03:35] heh [03:35] pkern: All yours then. === pkern ponders why http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-motu-2007-10-10.html wasn't updated shortly after I left. ;o) [03:36] jtbl: Any luck on the artwork license? [03:36] ScottK: And that means what? :-P [03:37] i heard the icon comes from some other gmail app package [03:37] pkern: It means the UVFe for nspluginwrapper has been stamped approved. [03:37] jtbl: Any hint which one? [03:37] i didnt find out the exact package [03:37] Ah. === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:37] ScottK: Aye. [03:38] persia: ^^^ Is the enough of a hint (I don't know how many gmail packages there are)? [03:38] ScottK: When should one "nominate bugs for release"? [03:39] pkern: When one feels that the release ought not happen without them being fixed except the day before the RC milestone it better be pretty big (since they've already spun the RC CDs). [03:40] Hm k. [03:40] Uh, the RC CDs have been spun three times. [03:40] pkern: Now that you've had ubuntu-dev stamped on your forehead you're expected to have sufficient judgement to sort it out. [03:40] flashplugin-nonfree/nspluginwrapper uploaded. [03:40] ScottK: Maybe. I'll take a look around. If nothing else, there are other gmail-ish icons about. [03:40] Just don't tell your Debian brethren ;-P [03:40] ScottK: And not get spoon-feeded? Well, that's LP stuff ya know. [03:41] pkern: Yeah, well you probably know enough to figure it out at this point. [03:41] jtbl: If you happen to get any further information, please let us know. [03:41] persia: That'd be great. [03:41] asac: So there it is your use-case ;) [03:42] ScottK: Yeah, crawling the wiki like everytime before. :-P [03:42] ScottK: I more of less accidentally nominated the vmware-player stuff for release. Now that may have been wrong. [03:42] pkern: Don't worry, whatever you find there is probably wrong anyway. === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] pkern: pitti will "tell" you if it is. [03:43] ScottK: Ok. [03:43] ScottK: Yeah, policy is moving. \: [03:43] ScottK: Or LP, whatever. ;) [03:43] % lintian *_amd64.deb | wc -l [03:43] 31 [03:43] Ugh... [03:43] He likes removals so even if it was overkill, he'll have a good sense of humor about it. [03:44] pkern: And if it's not wrong, it'll have been moved to where I can't find it. [03:44] jtbl: The nspluginwrapper upload is done, so you can remove that from what you all are planning on providing. [03:44] ScottK: My point why I ask those things is "what's current policy and what has been agreed on". [03:44] pkern: Well those two things don't always line up. [03:45] Whoever wrote qmv, I want to bear your children. [03:45] pkern: I'll warn you that this is yet another Ubuntu related topic I'm a little bitter about. [03:45] Uh-oh [03:45] Yeah, thus the warning. === bddebian cowers in the corner ;-) [03:45] bddebian: We're not in Teletubby land here. [03:46] hah [03:46] It's almost like he thought I had the LongPointyStick. [03:46] https://gallery.debconf.org/main.php?g2_itemId=24445 [03:47] And http://mugshot.org/visit?post=ZJWKs0cvTAz1J2 === pkern giggles [03:47] StevenK: Any opinion on Bug 151289 [03:47] Launchpad bug 151289 in esvn "Please merge eSVN 0.6.12 from debian lenny/sid to Gutsy - fixes svn incompatibility." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151289 [03:47] Yeah, well, we all know Joss is a bastard [03:48] ScottK: NACK at that. [03:48] ScottK: http://durotan.0x539.de/~pkern/esvn-screenie.png [03:48] ScottK: At least the version in Gutsy works. [03:48] (We had that topic... this morning? yesterday?) === ScottK was away for most of the discussion. [03:49] pkern: Thanks. [03:49] i have no clue where that icon came from [03:49] i have searched everywhere i can think of === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] i still think someone contributed it to us === ScottK doesn't know joss personally, but some of his mail to the Debian Python lists are, um, interesting. [03:50] jtbl: Thanks for looking into it. [03:50] the only other suggestion is to use an icon from kcheckgmail [03:51] jtbl: At this point if we get a .desktop with artwork of some sort that's related to gmail, I think it'll be good. [03:51] ScottK: I guess we could bigon who prepared the debdiff if it failed for him. At least somebody (I'd guess the submitter) was here yesterday, I showed him the screenie and he confirmed that would mean that the bug's away. [03:51] OTOH that was filed only 12h ago. [03:51] pkern: Now I'm confused. Are you saying we should and should not update the package? [03:52] jtbl: If you think the kcheckgmail icon is nice enough, that's an easy patch. [03:52] It sounds like a good integration thingy to do, but I'm not sure. That's why I ask around. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:52] yeah it should be fine [03:53] jtbl: OK. Thanks. [03:53] persia: I think that's plenty good. [03:53] jtbl: Got any other issues we can try to work in? [03:54] ScottK: I only see that it's broken in Feisty. But I'm doing further checking. [03:54] pkern: Thanks. [03:54] nope [03:54] thats all i can think of [03:55] it looks like icedtea made it into universe [03:55] Great. Let's work on this earlier in the release cycle next time... [03:55] pkern: I don't know if it still works, but one used to be able to use dchroot to a pbuilder or lvm chroot to test gui packages against a target distro in local X. If that still works, it's a handy way to test if you're on a previous release. [03:55] that will allow amd64 users to have a decent java plugin [03:56] To the extent that's possible (decent and java going together) sure. [03:56] jtbl: Really? Awesome. That meants I'll get bothered by stupid java applets in my browsing again. Woooooo! [03:56] yeah [03:57] it was just posted today [03:57] esvn (0.6.11+1-4) unstable; urgency=low [03:57] * Implement parser for .svn/entries with format > 6 (Damien Caliste). [03:57] (Closes: #387447) [03:57] ScottK: Fix already present in Gutsy. [03:57] persia: I'm on Gutsy. [03:57] persia: Which I regret, but well. [03:57] Gah. [03:57] and with the updated nspluginwrapper 64 bit firefox is ready for the new flash plugin which should be out soon [03:57] ScottK: So a clear NACK from me. [03:58] Sounds reasonable to me. === persia wonders if there is anything in the new esvn other than a merge of debian patches [03:59] does anyone else here use monodevelop to develop gui applications? [03:59] persia: gcc 4.3 fixes, windows titles [03:59] persia: Nothing special or outstanding. [04:00] pkern: Thanks. I marked it wontfix [04:00] ScottK: Fine. [04:00] pkern: gcc fixes come from Debian. I don't know about the titles :) [04:00] You know it seems like it took eons to get from 3.4 to 4.1 now it seems like there a new gcc every freakin' month :) === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:00] bddebian: Time just seems to move faster as you get older. [04:01] bddebian: Watch: there will be a large delay between 4.6 and 5.1 (and 5.0 will be useless, except for a new taiwanese supercomputing architecture) [04:01] Well that's probably true :-( [04:01] persia: Heh === persia remembers the interminable delay from 2.8 to 3.x === xeruno [n=xeruno@cable200-116-10-187.epm.net.co] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:11] I guess talking about gcc version numbers was just too exciting for some people. === cassidy [n=cassidy@cpe-24-193-95-156.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:11] heh === PhreeStyle-home [n=ross@c-71-235-128-5.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:13] I've got my list of "Stuff I was planning on doing before the RC freeze" done, so let me know if anyone has something. === pkern wonders why http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-motu-current.html tracks #u-devel [04:14] ScottK: I've two things on my list: getting current sbuild and current schroot not to report "Chroot mode deprecated" when mounting LVM snapshots, and adding an icon and .desktop file to checkgmail. Either of those appeal to you? [04:14] persia: No. I don't know enough to deal with either of those. Sorry. [04:15] pkern: The logs are only 80% reliable. It's be right tomorrow (usually only one day is bad, for each channel, for each three weeks or so) [04:15] I wasn't dodging the .desktop thing because I was busy. [04:15] There has to be some new crack crack to upload somewhere ;-P [04:15] ScottK: I'd be happy to walk you through the .desktop thing: the only blocker for me right now is that I'm not on an Ubuntu system. [04:16] Urgh. I was afraid you'd say something like that. [04:16] bddebian: There's always Xgl - you don't have to feel I've got an exclusive lock on that crack! [04:16] OK. [04:16] heh [04:16] OK. First, you'll want to grab the package, the target .desktop file, and the target icon. [04:16] persia: What package am I doing? [04:16] ScottK: I think it's checkgmail. I'll check LP. [04:17] ScottK: Yep. checkgmail 1.12-1 [04:17] Looks right. We have one of those === EvilID [n=jack@c-24-1-19-254.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:17] I got kcheckgmail too so I'll have the icon [04:18] ScottK: OK. First thing is to find the icon in kcheckgmail. If you're lucky, it's already uuencoded in debian/ [04:18] OK. === amachu_ [n=amachu@122.164.227.10] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] persia: I'm doing this on a PIII/700 with 256MB RAM, so be patient. [04:19] ScottK: No problem. Most of what's being done isn't processor-intensive. [04:19] ScottK: Do you have an text representation of the icon? (.uu, .xpm, .svg, etc.) [04:20] I have a .svg I think [04:20] SVG is good. No silly uuencoding rules. [04:21] Check license compatibility. If you can, copy the svg file to the target debian/ directory. [04:21] Checking === fredix_ [n=fredix@77.195.82.91] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:22] Both GPL v2 or later, so that's good [04:22] Makes it easy :) Next, grab the .desktop file from Automatix [04:23] Grabbing [04:23] Install desktop-file-utils, and run `desktop-file-validate checkgmail.desktop`. You'll need to edit the file a bit to match the instructions. [04:24] OK [04:26] checkgmail.desktop: warning: key "Encoding" in group "Desktop Entry" is deprecated [04:26] Yeah, don't need that anymore [04:26] checkgmail.desktop: warning: value "Application;Network;" for key "Categories" in group "Desktop Entry" contains a deprecated value "Application" [04:26] ScottK: Just delete the "Encoding" line from the file, and make sure it's UTF-8. [04:26] Remove Applications [04:26] So just remove the first one [04:26] ScottK: Also, listen to bddebian :) === EvilID [n=jack@c-24-1-19-254.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [04:26] So remove them both [04:27] Remove the whole encoding line. Remove Applications from the categories line [04:27] ScottK: Keep "Network", but drop "Application". Delete the entire line with "Encoding" === Whoopie_ [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian shuts up now [04:28] Of course the icon name doesn't match my file name. I should adjust that too I assume. [04:29] ScottK2: Bug 151289 rubber stamped [04:29] Launchpad bug 151289 in esvn "Please merge eSVN 0.6.12 from debian lenny/sid to Gutsy - fixes svn incompatibility." [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151289 [04:29] ScottK: Ideally the you want "Icon=checkgmail", and to have your icon named "checkgmail.svg". Don't worry about a path. === persia thought esvn uvfe was "won't fix" === pkern giggles. [04:30] persia: Double stamped confirmed won't fix [04:30] heh [04:30] persia: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/40225/ [04:31] StevenK: You might want to refresh and look at my comment before yours unless I'm misreading "do it" [04:32] ScottK2: Drop the extension from checkgmail.svg: that way someone can theme it with a .png (or whatever). It eyeballs fine: does desktop-file-validate produce anything? [04:32] No result at all. I'll drop that [04:33] ScottK2: Drop the modified .desktop file also in debian/ [04:33] It's there [04:33] Does the package use dh_install or CDBS? [04:33] dh_install [04:34] Easy then. Add 'usr/share/pixmaps' and 'usr/share/applications' to either debian/dirs or debian/checkgmail.dirs (as appropriate) [04:34] Hm. /me is not tired. [04:34] But I guess I should sleep anyway. \: [04:34] Install the .svg to usr/share/pixmaps and the .desktop to usr/share/applications in the .install file. [04:35] (for those just lurking: if neither dh_install nor CDBS is in use, one must edit the rules file to manually install things) [04:36] Yeehaw MOTU school. :D [04:36] pkern: I try real hard to avoid this GUI stuff. [04:37] persia: Looking again, dh_install is commented out in debian/rules [04:37] There is dh_installmenu enabled. [04:37] ScottK2: Your call: I usually uncomment, but you can also do the install -m 644 stuff. [04:38] Uncomment and add a .install file I guess [04:38] Also, in future this logic is planned to be moved to dh_icons at some point, irght? [04:38] dh_installmenu is for .menu files, rather than for .desktop files. While the Debian menu can be enabled in Ubuntu, doing so isn't trivial, and not intended by default. On the other hand, populating menu files is best practice for feeding Debian. [04:38] RAOF: No. It would be part of dh_desktop. === persia notes that the current implementation of dh_desktop is only useful for configuring the MIME database, but it should be better at some point in the future [04:40] ScottK2: That's it. Maintainer mangle, Add changelog, Build, install, and there should be an icon in the menu. [04:40] persia: Is it gonna work on KDE? [04:40] Should [04:40] OK [04:40] ScottK2: It should. I've closed lots of "Icon doesn't show in the K-Menu" bugs with variations on that procedure. [04:41] Let me fiddle with this then and I'll whine if I can't figure it. [04:42] mailman_2.1.5-8sarge5.fsmi8.etch1 -- Now this is a funny version number. 2.1.5-8, sarge revision 5 (security updates), own revision 8 (patches), forward ported to Etch. :D [04:47] Erm, I can't figure out where I'm supposed to file bugs against Drivel - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/drivel, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/drivel, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=drivel, or multiple ones of the above? [04:48] Primary point for users would be https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/drivel [04:48] Or rather s,.edge,, ;) [04:48] The first is for bugs against the Ubuntu packages, the second is probably just to have the ability to forward LP bugs to the upstream bugtracker, which would be the third one :) === ScottK heads to the liquor cabinet while it builds === pkern is currently consuming a (1) beer. [04:49] oof [04:49] My bug is a feature request, not Ubuntu specific. [04:49] Then the 3rd option is probably most appropriate. [04:49] that's the upstream bugtracker :) [04:49] tonyyarusso: LP/ubuntu/ is the catchall, LP/drivel/ seems experimental, and b.g.o : drivel appears to be the active upstream tracker === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:50] If I filed it upstream, would there be any handy way to keep tabs on it within LP? [04:50] (Just so I don't have to log in as many places) [04:50] tonyyarusso: You might add the feature request to both: new Ubuntu people looking for something to do might try to implement if there's a pointer. [04:50] tonyyarusso: Add a new bug at LP/ubuntu/drivel, and link to upstream. [04:51] persia: good call [04:52] The "not real" drivel project in LP is what LP want so creat for ALL upstreams of Ubuntu packages so that linking to the upstream bug tracker will work. [04:52] They swear it's a scalable solution. === avoine [n=avoine@modemcable003.251-59-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ScottK wants some of what they're taking. === RAOF wholeheartedly agrees with ScottK that this is a sub-optimal solution. [04:52] Oh hey, it looks to already be filed. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311023 [04:53] Gnome bug 311023 in general "MovableType/WordPress entries can't have multiple entries" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] [04:53] ScottK2: Are you sure? I thought they wanted to link to upstream somehow, but not necessarily in LP. [04:53] not a very well named bug, but oh well [04:54] persia: Via a project for each upstream. [04:55] ScottK: Does it say that somewhere? How is it imagined that "upstream" bugs in LP will be communicated with developers? Actually, don't answer that except perhaps with pointers: this isn' t the right forum... === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:56]