foxbuntuMythbuntuGuest91, I am in the Mid-West01:21
directhexMythbuntuGuest91, basically, if your video source is encrypted, you'll need to use a set-top box anyway, to decrypt the signal. which isn't a very elegant solution01:21
=== directhex is in britland
MythbuntuGuest91see that is what i thought. fox01:21
=== therethinker is in NewEngland
therethinker...with a space01:21
foxbuntuMythbuntuGuest91, it takes a little config work (but alot less with Mythbuntu) and some getting used to, but its much better than Tivo01:22
therethinkerYeah. But I can see  the price being an issue.01:22
foxbuntuMythbuntuGuest91, and...if you are not techy, intrested, or have the time to build one yourself...I am going to be doing a startup business in approx 3 months selling pre-built and configured Mythbuntu machines01:23
MythbuntuGuest91how much..01:24
therethinkerHeh, I was thinking of doing something similar, but on much much smaller scale01:24
foxbuntunot sure exact prices yet...but $1499 is my ball-park guess right now01:24
foxbuntudual tuners01:24
foxbuntuHD ready01:24
directhexfoxbuntu, atsc then?01:24
MythbuntuGuest91holy crap01:24
foxbuntuand NTSC01:25
MythbuntuGuest91tivo is only $200 right01:25
therethinkerYeah, but dual tuners HD ready... that costs a lot01:25
therethinkerthe HD tivo was like what, $800?01:26
therethinkerand only 1 tuner...01:26
MythbuntuGuest91I did not know the hd tivo was more01:26
therethinkerYeah, this is not going to be incredibly cheaper... simply because the hardware is hardware, and its hard to do cheaper01:26
lagaand it's not about being cheap, it's about being great01:27
therethinkerTivo also makes money from subscriptions...01:27
directhex$300 for tivo hd, plus yearly subscription to the service01:27
therethinkerlaga: yeah01:27
mythbotNeither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "please don't", sorry.01:27
therethinkerOkay, wow, maybe I was wrong01:27
foxbuntuyeah...plus a tivo is what $20 a month?01:27
therethinkerOh, directhex, either start with a space, or don't start with a $ :P01:27
directhextherethinker pick a better callsign!01:28
MythbuntuGuest91that is my deal. i am tired of the monthly fees01:28
therethinkerBut... we already agreed on this :p01:28
therethinkeryou can use everything on the top row as a first leter01:28
therethinkerActually, $ is one of the least common... when you'd look at it01:28
directhexreally? you never discuss currency using the $ sign first?01:29
directhex% is less common!01:29
therethinkerEh, I'd doubt that01:29
therethinkerNot to mention % is awkward to type...01:29
therethinker! is really easy (sorry ubotu)01:30
laga% is shift + 5 here01:30
directhextherethinker shift-five is harder than shift-1 ?01:30
therethinkeryeah, here too01:30
therethinkerYeah... because of which finger hits it..01:30
therethinkerYou have to reach more for % :P01:30
lagai type with two fingers. seriously.01:30
therethinkerWow... no wonder you code slowly :P01:30
therethinker(just kidding)01:31
MythbuntuGuest91ok what about this.. how are is it to play dvd's01:31
directhexi used to touch type, until i drank too much at university & killed my typing abiolity01:31
therethinkerDVD's is simple01:31
tgm4883MythbuntuGuest91, pretty easily01:31
tgm4883thanks to the MCC devs01:31
lagaunless those DVDs are encrypted...01:31
therethinkerI've always wanted to learn how to type with 1hand01:31
MythbuntuGuest91why is dvd so simple and hd is harder?01:31
=== therethinker raises hand!
tgm4883MythbuntuGuest91, what do you mean?01:31
therethinkerbecause, you have to encode the HD in order to play it... DVDs are already encoded01:31
directhexMythbuntuGuest91, dvd is low-resolution mpeg2, hd is high-resolution mpeg4?01:32
tgm4883therethinker, thats not true01:32
therethinkerscratch what I said :P01:32
tgm4883HD is already encoded01:32
lagatherethinker: encode the HD stream? no, it's already encoded.01:32
therethinkerYeah, I know :P01:32
therethinkerscratch what I said :P01:32
directhexMythbuntuGuest91, 4x the resolution, give or take. and a 4x more complex codec to decode. assuming h264. mpeg2 is easier, but still high res01:32
=== therethinker scratches
MythbuntuGuest91ahh man01:33
MythbuntuGuest91ok how about this. can i save my dvd to harddrive them play them on my bigscreen?01:34
directhexMythbuntuGuest91, sure.01:34
MythbuntuGuest91ok now. what if i want to play it in another room like my bedroom.. what do need to hook that tv up also?01:35
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therethinkerHello MythbuntuGuest41!01:35
mythbotWelcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv.  Please state your question or comment.01:36
TariMythbuntuGuest91, you'll need a frontend machine in that room (or nearby, at any rate)01:36
MythbuntuGuest91can my front end be simple like my laptop?01:37
therethinker$slap directhex01:37
directhexi have mythfrontend installed on this desktop machine, the backend is downstairs01:37
mythbot/me slaps directhex01:37
therethinkerSame here01:37
therethinker$crush directhex01:38
mythbot/me pummels directhex to the ground!!!01:38
directhextherethinker, been using myth for a while...01:38
therethinker.... damn you01:38
therethinkerI still won't admit defeat!01:38
therethinker$daily directhex01:39
mythbot/me gives directhex the finger01:39
MythbuntuGuest91ok my backend with the dvd saved to the harddrive can show on a tv in the bedroom on a laptop through my wireless router01:39
therethinkerwhat wireless is it? B or G?01:39
MythbuntuGuest91well my router is n but cards are g01:40
therethinkerah, so you'll be fine01:40
tgm4883G is fine01:40
tgm4883G is more than enough for SD01:40
therethinkerJust as long as it isn't B01:40
tgm4883N is enough for HD01:40
directhextgm4883, depending on bitrates. the problem with wirelss is sustained throughput, not overall bandwidth01:40
tgm4883yes, true.  Are you talking about SD or HD?01:41
therethinkerBut, I assume he, or he has heard of someone, saying that G or N works?01:41
MythbuntuGuest91my laptop only has a G01:41
MythbuntuGuest91it is amd6401:42
directhextgm4883, SD, but at the bitrates the bbc sends out their flagship shows...01:42
MythbuntuGuest91what does that mean?01:42
tgm4883directhex, what bitrates does the bbc use?01:42
directhextgm4883, peak times? 6-7mbit. which is actually enough to cause stuttering on 802.11g in real-world scenarios01:43
tgm4883hmm, thats strange.  Are you sure your wireless is setup properly with no nearby B devices?01:44
lagamight have to increase buffering in the frontend.01:44
lagai think you have do tdive into the code to do that01:44
lagaOTOH, i get like 2M/s on my g link...01:45
MythbuntuGuest91ok one more noob question. i am new to linux too. now on my frontend laptop. is it hard to make it daulboot and keep windows01:45
directhextgm4883, it's fine if i turn off the fridge and the microwave. like i said, real-world01:45
directhexMythbuntuGuest91, no, trivial.01:45
directhexMythbuntuGuest91, you can even access recordings under windows if you like01:45
tgm4883directhex, sounds like wireless issues.  I can stream 9000k over my G just fine.  In an apartment building with many wireless networks surrounding me01:46
therethinkerbut as you use Ubuntu, you won't go back ;-)01:46
MythbuntuGuest91yes, but what about everything i have in windows01:46
therethinkerDon't worry, we won't force ya :P01:47
therethinker(like what?)01:47
MythbuntuGuest91battlefield2, call of duty01:47
directhextherethinker, i've revised my linux advocacy strategy to a pro-windows one (switch a windows user to open-source apps and linux on their infrastructure, the rest may well fall into place01:47
therethinkerI'm not trying to force it on him, he wants to use it, that's great01:48
therethinkerI was half joking with "once you use Ubuntu, you won't go back"01:48
therethinkerand then "like what?", I was wondering if he had heard of WINE01:48
tgm4883eh, games are for consoles01:49
MythbuntuGuest91no. what is wine01:49
therethinkerIt lets you run *some* windows programs in linux.01:49
mythbotAlthough I didn't know, ubotu says: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.01:49
therethinkertgm4883: good one ;-)01:49
tgm4883booya, owned by your own bot01:49
directhexwine's not a great solution01:49
tgm4883cedega's pretty good01:49
directhexand i say this as someone who's written guides to gaming o linux01:49
mythbotAlthough I didn't know, ubotu says: cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega01:49
therethinkerdirecthex: I never said it was, I didn't know he played games :P01:50
tgm4883there is also01:50
mythbotSorry, I neither I or ubotu knew, but Wikipedia says: "Fictional crossover, a storyline shared between two fictional universes, or involving characters from multiple universes See Intercompany crossover for comic-book crossovers in which a character published by one company meets a character published by another." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover01:50
therethinkerif he did things like used Macromedia Flash 8, then it'd work fine01:50
therethinker$crossover office01:50
mythbotNeither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "please don't", sorry.01:50
directhexgoogle for linux gaming, i'm near the top of page 1. \o/01:50
therethinkergood for you ;-)01:50
MythbuntuGuest91open office is great. i already found that out01:51
directhexas in the second link down. be fair, that's pretty neat :p01:51
therethinkerMythbuntuGuest91: great :-)01:51
therethinker.gc directhex01:51
therethinker.gc therethinker01:51
therethinkercome on bot!01:52
therethinker$whack mythbot01:52
mythbot/me whacks mythbot01:52
therethinkerdamn, gc must be disabled01:52
MythbuntuGuest91what is gc01:52
MitoTraningc ?01:52
therethinker.gc does the google count of a word01:53
tgm4883$runover MitoTranin01:53
mythbot/me takes wireless control of mitotranin's car, and runs him over01:53
therethinkerSo like... the number of results for a given search01:53
MitoTranin$infect tgm488301:53
mythbot/me takes control of tgm4883's computer, formats the hard drive, and installs Windows ME on it.01:53
MitoTraninHa, I win01:53
therethinker$hug MitoTranin01:53
mythbotIf I had emotions, I'd laugh! No one would ever hug mitotranin!01:53
therethinker$poke tgm488301:53
tgm4883jokes on you, I already have Windows ME installed.......01:53
mythbot/me stabs tgm4883 violently with a rusty spoon01:53
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MitoTraninlol, cute01:53
therethinkerwhat? poke?01:53
MitoTraninbut therethinker, you need to fix the capitalization01:53
therethinkerIt converts to lowercase for reasons01:54
foxbuntu$hug therethinker01:54
mythbotIf I had emotions, I'd laugh! No one would ever hug therethinker!01:54
lagafoxbuntu: let me know how it goes01:54
MitoTranin$laugh foxbuntu01:54
mythbotNeither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "laugh foxbuntu", sorry.01:54
foxbuntulaga, alright01:54
foxbuntuso far so good01:54
foxbuntuI am up to kernel 22-14 now01:54
directhexResults 1 - 10 of about 12,700 for directhex01:54
therethinkerwhat, are you like upgrading each one?01:54
therethinkernot bad ;-)01:54
directhexResults 1 - 10 of about 118 for therethinker01:54
foxbuntulaga, actually, my mythbox is running smoother now on the newer kernel and such01:55
therethinkerMy other alias gets 23,10001:55
lagatherethinker: what is your other alias? "teen porn"?01:55
ubotuPlease watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.01:55
lagai need to stop playing with the bot01:55
foxbuntulaga, indeed01:56
therethinker$runover laga01:56
mythbot/me takes wireless control of laga's car, and runs him over01:56
therethinkerNo one can resist the bot D:01:56
foxbuntu!ohmy | therethinker01:56
ubotutherethinker: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.01:56
therethinker...btw, am I the only one who types out google& wikipedia searches?01:56
therethinkerlike, I actually type out /search?q=______ or en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_____01:56
foxbuntuthat is crazy01:57
therethinkerits quicker01:57
directhextherethinker, how many people do you share that pseudonym with though?01:57
foxbuntuquicker how?01:57
therethinkerzachninme, the only result that does not pertain to me is the first result01:57
directhextherethinker is into laser cutters?01:58
therethinkerYep :D01:58
therethinkerPlease don't stalk me01:58
therethinkerhmm... theoretically, they're could be more that don't have to do with me01:59
=== directhex hides in a bush outside therethinker's house
therethinkerbut on the first 3 pages I skimmed, they were about me01:59
MythbuntuGuest91ok so now that i have mythbuntu installed how do i see something.. only the weather works01:59
therethinkerdirecthex: laser cutters are very good for rapid prototyping ;-)02:00
MitoTraninMythbuntuGuest91: you have to configure the capture card...02:00
directhexright, it's an hour past sleeptime02:00
MythbuntuGuest91is that the myth setup someone was talking about?02:00
therethinkerhaha, its fun reading through, and finding yourself talked about on blogs :P02:00
MythbuntuGuest91i thought i did that. how do i run mythsetup?02:01
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MitoTraninMythbuntuGuest91: go into setup, then Mythbuntu Control Center, then tell it to open MythTV setup02:01
MitoTraninin there you can configure your capture card and your channel sources, etc02:01
MitoTranin(this really should be documented somewhere)02:01
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therethinkerWe should at least stick it in mythbot's brain P02:02
therethinker*gets on it*02:02
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directhexsuperm1, they were eate by a grue. they're found in the wild here, and often eat docs02:03
directhexthat's the reason none of my source code is ever documented. and i'm sticking with it!02:04
mythbotGo into setup, then click Mythbuntu Control Centre Centre, and then launch MythTV setup.02:04
MythbuntuGuest91oh i do not think i did that either02:05
superm1therethinker, well not necessarily02:05
superm1you can do it before install02:05
superm1eg before reboot02:05
MythbuntuGuest91does the mythstream stuff work?02:06
therethinkerOh well :P02:06
lagaMythbuntuGuest91: using it is a bit weird, but it works02:06
MythbuntuGuest91i pick news02:07
MythbuntuGuest91should i see something?02:07
MythbuntuGuest91status says starting02:07
Dr_willisIf i have a Myth Backend. Am i NOT able to play videos (.avi/ogg/mkv so on) that i have stored on it. In a mythtv front end? They are there in the samba shares.02:07
lagaMythbuntuGuest91: is that computer connected to the internet?02:07
Dr_willisor am i just missconfigured somehow?02:08
tgm4883Dr_willis, probably misconfigured and missing codecs02:08
lagaMythbuntuGuest91: you probably have to configure the news feeds you want02:08
MythbuntuGuest91i just seleted a default one02:08
MythbuntuGuest91kcmo news02:09
MythbuntuGuest91only thing i can get to work is my local weather02:09
MythbuntuGuest91it is driving me nutx02:09
MythbuntuGuest91one more time nuts02:09
tgm4883MythbuntuGuest91, try one of the shoutcast stations02:11
MythbuntuGuest91ok trying top25 streams from shoutcast02:12
MythbuntuGuest91what does harvester mean?02:15
MythbuntuGuest91it is half red02:15
lagawhen it's harvesting, it' sgetting a list of streams i think02:17
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MythbuntuGuest91where everyone go?02:31
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MythbuntuGuest91i do not see that mythtvsetup02:33
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mungewellHi all, I see that you're looking for testcards to include. There are some good ones on http://www.belle-nuit.com/testchart.html02:34
lagamungewell: thanks02:34
MythbuntuGuest91what is that?02:34
mungewellthe guy offers software for free download, so maybe he'd be open to some form of open license for these....02:35
lagaMythbuntuGuest91: hum. might have to talk to him02:36
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MythbuntuGuest91hey, i got another question. when i quit the mythtv. I now have 5 wired network icons in the top right corner02:39
MythbuntuGuest91do you know why?02:39
tgm4883_laptopshould be fixed now02:40
MythbuntuGuest91ok do i download and burn another copy to install?02:40
MythbuntuGuest91or do that automatic weekly builds stuff?02:41
lagayou just need to upgrade using the regular upgrade methods02:42
lagathere should be a pop up if there are updates available02:42
mungewellI'm in the process of downloading the beta to replace my MythDora system. Has any working been done on the LCDproc stuff, thus enabling full control of MythTV without having the monitor turned on? (Was quite a few missing pages before....)02:43
superm1mungewell, no automation for it at this point.  The packages are out there though in the repositories02:44
mungewellsuperm1:  not sure what you mean by automation. I just want to be able to navigate through the menus. Kind of works on MythDora, but pages are missing/get stuck.02:45
lagamungewell: thanks, just wrote an email to that guy02:45
superm1mungewell, well unfortunately none of us (mythbuntu devs) have lcdproc devices to use to develop on at this point, so its kinda a gray area to all of us02:46
mungewelllaga - don't mention it.... I found the testcards when I was shopping for a TV. Wanted to check the alignment/distortion on the back projections systems.02:46
mungewellsuperm1: technically neither do I. I was playing with Ncurses client on a different machine and a client app running on an old Palm 3 connected via serial cable.02:48
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lagamungewell: can you elaborate a bit on the palm thing? i've got n old palm m100 and a serial cable for it02:48
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lagamungewell: i think i found it.02:50
lagavery cool.02:50
mungewelllaga: http://palmorb.sourceforge.net/ is the main bit (LCDproc client), you also need to wrap some other apps to ensure that the palm always start running this at boot (I turn my MythTV box off!)02:51
lagai need to put that on my todo list02:52
mungewellhttp://www.palmbytes.coolfreepages.com/autoexec.html and/or http://docwhat.gerf.org/code/powerbutton/02:52
therethinker$laga ensure palm always running @ boot02:53
mythbotlaga is to work on ensure palm always running @ boot02:53
laga$slap therethinker02:54
mythbot/me slaps therethinker02:54
therethinker$daily laga02:54
mythbot/me gives laga the finger02:54
therethinkerdamn... thought it changed02:54
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therethinker$daily laga02:54
mythbot/me throws laga into a flaming pit, and forces him to answer questions on #ubuntu-mythtv without using me OR ubotu!02:54
lagaoh my god02:54
therethinkerI know, isn't it terrible?02:54
lagahum, maybe the GF needs a LCD for her myth box02:54
mungewelllaga: better fix the menus before offering that  ;-)02:55
lagamungewell: damn. why do you have to tell me stuff like this at 3am?02:55
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mungewellmungewell: time is relative.... it's only 18:55 MDT02:56
therethinkerWhay are you talking to yourself?02:56
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mungewellI didn't suss out all the of the palm stuff. There are issues if you power cycle the box. Your need to ensure the palm turns on (short out power button might work) and that the internal memory is battery backed in case the mythbox is off for any length of time.02:58
therethinkercan someone pop in/out #mythbot?02:58
lagamungewell: why?03:00
lagamungewell: because lcdproc will fail otherwise?03:00
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mungewellI believe that the daemon part of LCDproc is happy without any 'displays' connected, it will just relay the screens when a display connected. I would just be a pain if the palm didn't automatically start with the Myth box.03:03
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lagawell, that wouldn't bother me03:03
lagai hardly use mythtv so i can just turn on the palm on-demand ;)03:03
mungewellhuh... got the impression that you're one of the main-dev's.03:04
lagayeah, but messing with it is too much fun ;)03:06
lagano worries, i do use it, but not as much as i should03:06
lagaespecially because my main frontend is a bit broken right now03:06
tgm4883_laptoplaga likes to break things03:10
tgm4883_laptopsome of us like things that are functional03:10
lagathat's why i run trunk :)03:10
tgm4883_laptoplaga is running gutsy +103:11
therethinker$daily laga03:11
mythbot/me throws laga into a flaming pit, and forces him to answer questions on #ubuntu-mythtv without using me OR ubotu!03:11
mythbottherethinker, you need to finding something good03:11
therethinker$therethinker have someone tell you what to do03:11
mythbotI'll tell therethinker to have someone tell you what to do03:11
therethinkerGood plan03:13
therethinkerWait, I think I already had that...03:13
therethinkerI thought you just added that :P03:13
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mythbotOct 10th -- todo lists! $NAME WHAT , $todo03:14
MythbuntuGuest91yall still here03:32
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MythbuntuGuest79yall here?03:34
MythbuntuGuest79this is the same guy 9103:34
MythbuntuGuest79so do i need to follow the instructions on the automatic weekly builds03:36
lagain order to do what?03:36
MythbuntuGuest79does that keep me up todate?03:37
lagawith what?03:37
MythbuntuGuest79like me having 5 wired network icons03:38
lagano, that'll just update mythtv itself. you need to perform a regular ubuntu update03:39
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superm1MythbuntuGuest79, that is resolved in some updates to mythbuntu-default-settings.  you may need to remove ~/.cache however as well to fix it03:51
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mitche11Does anyone have a MythTV front end that rips DVD's to a backend or some other server?04:02
ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)04:02
Dr_willismitche11,  hmm.. Not sure the front end can rip TO the backend..04:03
Dr_willisnever tried that however. heh.04:03
lagaof course it is. just use NFS or something similar04:04
mitche111)  I got a repeated kernel panic when I tried to rip to a NFS location (set with MythVideo).  anyone encountered this or have tips?04:04
Dr_willislaga,   its not set that way by default..04:04
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mitche112)  Can I get around this problem by scripting a wrapper around mtd so that it will rip locally and then move it to a server?04:04
Dr_willisyou could rip it locally, then transfer easially enough. :)04:04
superm1what is the cause of the kernel panic?04:05
Dr_willisactually i need to set up some NFS shares...04:05
mitche11that's what I want to hear! DR_willis04:05
superm1have you traced it back?04:05
Dr_willismitche11,  you could rip the dvd to avi with about anything and just copy it over. :) no need for the front end either. heh04:05
mitche11Knew someone would ask about tracing and debuggin, no I didn't04:05
mitche11Dr_willis, I could do a lot of what MythTV does with other programs.  I'm looking to use it as a media center and I'm looking for convenience.,04:06
mitche11After I spend days troubleshooting of course.04:06
Dr_willisim not sure if the front end install - actually Installs the needed tools to do the ripping either.04:07
Dr_willisive only experimented a little with front ends however.04:07
mitche11I guess I'll try to check out the cause of the kernel panic some more.04:08
mitche11The strange thing is that my front end can rip locally no problem, but if I rip to my NFS share it dies about 1/5 in.  Strange thing is that I thought it was supposed to rip locally and then transfer later.04:08
mitche11Last follow-up: Does anyone know of any good documentation around mtd or know how MythTV calls mtd (I want to try to call it on my own).04:12
mitche11I googled for a while but no dice.04:13
Dr_willishmm.. NFS can be picky at times . woner if theres a filesize limit in nfs?04:13
Dr_willis1/5 of a 9gb dvd would be about 2gb?04:14
mitche11Maybe I'll try a different share... smb?  something else04:14
mitche11Thanks for all the help!04:15
Dr_willissshfs or some of the other fuse tools are handy also04:15
mitche11ssh, good idea... is that going to be slower?  Not that it really matters04:15
Dr_willisa little perhaps.04:15
Dr_willisive been using sshfs for a while. Its handy04:16
mitche11ok, thanks a lot.  I'll check it out.04:16
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MythbuntuGuest63hi all05:52
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mythbotWelcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv.  Please state your question or comment.06:04
iuaudio_I'm curious why hdhomerun is not listed as a remote control device.  Does anyone know?06:07
tgm4883_laptopis it a remote control?06:10
iuaudio_it has an ir receiver and transmits to lirc via udp06:10
tgm4883_laptopask superm1 about it :)06:11
superm1yeah it does.  I've never configured mine as such (or had a need to yet), so i haven't got it as a lirc option yet06:12
superm1iuaudio_, can you mock up a spec about it, and we can target it for hardy?06:12
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iuaudio_hmm... well all I could tell you is what's found at http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/instructions/mythtv under the LIRC heading...06:14
superm1iuaudio_, hm looks easy enough06:14
iuaudio_silicon dust even recommends mythbuntu on their page... since they're so into the myth community maybe they'd write it themselves06:15
superm1iuaudio_, could you still just at least "make" the spec and link to that?, dont even need to put anything in it other than a link06:15
iuaudio_one would still have to program their universal remote06:15
superm1do they really now?06:15
superm1well i do maintain their hdhomerun package in ubuntu :)06:15
iuaudio_oh sorry, ubuntu proper... see the text at the top of that page06:15
superm1ah yeah that's what i had thought06:16
iuaudio_maybe I don't know what I'm talking about... I'm still a bit of a noob on linux06:16
iuaudio_how would I submit the spec?06:17
superm1iuaudio_, https://launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+addspec06:18
iuaudio_there is a "network" option during mythbuntu install, but its not shown in the control center after installation... maybe the code is already there to implement it, but not available after the install process06:19
iuaudio_network remote control, that is06:19
superm1well i can't say i've touched any code related to a network remote.  its possible that there was some stuff from upstream lirc that we got, but i haven't made any improvements over that06:23
superm1well looking a little closer06:23
superm1you might be able to get away with that easily actually06:23
iuaudio_how so?06:24
superm1if you just modify the DEVICE item in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf06:24
superm1after choosing the network remote06:24
iuaudio_I've got it open... how would it read?06:25
superm1from what i can tell06:26
superm1and then you configure your hdhomerun to send the packets to your computer06:26
iuaudio_oh, as the port06:26
iuaudio_got it06:26
iuaudio_it sounds like you've been a heavy lifter on the code for mythbuntu... just want to say thanks for a great project06:26
superm1no prob, its been a blast making this honestly :)06:27
iuaudio_was running myth under suse, but wanted to get away from novell.  Mythbuntu is working well for me!06:27
superm1!envy | foxbuntu06:38
ubotufoxbuntu: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!06:38
superm1!automatix | foxbuntu06:38
ubotufoxbuntu: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)06:38
tazgodx!RTFM | tazgodx06:45
MitoTraninsuperm1: can you read through something for me when you get a sec?06:48
MitoTraninnice tgm4883_laptop06:50
superm1tgm4883_laptop, can you grab a copy of this: http://uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/~superm1/mythbuntu-7.10~071011-i386.iso06:50
superm1and when you get a moment make sure that !unionfs is fixed for you?06:50
MitoTraninwell, could someone read through http://wiki.mitopia.net/Plextor_PX-TV402U for me and let me know if it makes good sense?06:50
tgm4883_laptopso slow06:50
superm1MitoTranin, sorry not right now, PM me this weekend or early next week06:50
tgm4883_laptop119 kb/s06:50
superm1someone must be hammering uk.cdimages then :)06:51
superm1that's a good thing06:51
MitoTraninsuperm1: I've been between 40-50gb per day on my mirror06:52
tgm4883_laptopyea it's going to take me like 30 minutes to d/l06:52
MitoTraninnot a bad average06:52
foxbuntutgm4883_laptop, just conect to us-il.cdimages.mythbuntu.org06:52
superm1foxbuntu, that wont be there06:52
MitoTraninlowest was 39.1, highest was 52.506:52
superm1its only on uk.06:52
tgm4883_laptopfoxbuntu, it's not on there06:52
superm1tgm4883_laptop, just sometime tonight or tomorrow.  that is our rc of the rc06:53
tgm4883_laptopheh, ok06:53
tgm4883_laptopMitoTranin, where is your mirror?06:53
superm1so if it looks good to you, its good for me and laga, so we can sync mirrors tomorrow night06:53
MitoTraninhave we figured out how we're going to sync the mirrors yet?06:54
MitoTraninother than manually of course...06:54
superm1we have an rsync system in place06:54
tgm4883_laptopmy mirror rsyncs06:54
superm1and a push system now06:54
superm1actually i'll shoot a mail to sort out the remaining mirrors syncing methods06:55
superm1to the mailing list06:55
MitoTraninsuperm1: was anyone going to tell me so I could setup mine?06:55
tgm4883_laptopsuperm1, you got that email from me?06:55
superm1which one?06:55
superm1ababout osoul?06:55
superm1yeah i forwarded it to ben, hopefully he can get the dns setup tonight06:56
tgm4883_laptopi think  i forwared the last email i got from them06:56
superm1or tomorrow06:56
tgm4883_laptopbasically it says when they rsync, so we know when we need to have the iso up in order to be good for that day06:56
MitoTraninso superm1, tgm4883_laptop, where should I setup my mirror to rsync to?06:57
tazgodxMitoTranin: i read that link, makes sense to me.06:57
MitoTranintazgodx: thanks!06:57
tazgodxdon't have one so can't test it to make sure its all correct, but looks good06:58
tgm4883_laptopMitoTranin, this is what my mirror set for rsync06:58
tgm4883_laptoprsync -rtlpvH uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org::www/ /data/ftp/.2/mythbuntu/06:58
MitoTranintazgodx: it actually doesn't work yet though.... I had it working on my feisty box, but had video driver problems so I couldn't play the videos etc06:58
tgm4883_laptopwhat is 2003 UTC anyway?06:58
MitoTraninnow that I just set it up while writing that, it's not working...06:58
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tgm4883_laptopMitoTranin, what wiki is this?06:59
MitoTranintgm4883_laptop: so we're mirroring using the uk server as the main then... what about the subdirs of that dir?06:59
MitoTranintgm4883_laptop: it's mine... why?06:59
tgm4883_laptopMitoTranin, the mirror is frink's mirror.  I don't know much about any of that07:00
tgm4883_laptopabout the wiki, I was just thinking that the mythtv people would probably appreciate that kind of stuff if you didn't mind putting it on there too07:00
MitoTraninwell, I kinda need to get it to work first :)07:01
tgm4883_laptopsuperm1, is 8.04 already named?07:01
MitoTraninright now, that's what worked for me in feisty on a hardware machine07:01
superm1tgm4883_laptop, hardy heron07:01
MitoTranin just did that in a vmware machine running the mythbuntu 7.10 beta, and it doesn't work :|07:01
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tgm4883_laptopI didn't think they were going back to H07:02
MitoTraninso I need to troubleshoot etc07:02
MitoTraninWhat do you guys think of this?  the patch I just used was for kernel 2.6.21 since that's the newest patch I could find...07:03
MitoTraninI just found this guy saying this:  "I received a patch from Chris P. that fixes the driver compilation issue for the 2.6.22 Fedora kernels (and most likely other distros too)! The driver source has been patched (the patch is provided in the "patches" directory) and seems to work perfectly."07:03
MitoTraninshould I try that patch, even though it's designed for the fedora kernel?07:04
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MitoTranintgm4883, tgm4883_laptop: you around?07:37
MitoTraninnevermind... :)07:48
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sslasheswhat window manager does the current release of mythbuntu use?07:55
MitoTraninxfce I believe...07:56
superm1yes xfce sslashes07:56
MitoTraninsuperm1: I know you said you were busy earlier, do you have time for a quick Q right now?07:57
MitoTraninI'm having a problem, and I'm not sure if it's due to my VMware usage, or not07:57
superm1it's been a crazy week for me, so my availability is sparatic :)07:57
MitoTraninright now, so that I don't go screwing around with my hardware install, I'm messing around with my USB tuner in a VMware session07:57
MitoTraninI got the vmware all setup etc and all updated07:58
MitoTraningot everything installed and running the way I used to have it working in feisty07:58
MitoTraninbut when I try to load the firmware, I get an error07:58
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)07:58
superm1what does that firmware loading script look like?07:59
superm1i think that /proc/bus/usb/ doesn't populate anything08:01
superm1 /sys/bus/usb does however08:01
MitoTraninactually you're right, it's empty08:01
MitoTraninthat script worked in feisty, did that change since then?08:02
superm1it very well may have08:03
MitoTraninand I can't go back to my feisty install and check, because I installed mythbuntu over the top of it :)08:03
superm1you know what exactly that fx_load is looking for ?08:03
MitoTraninI would assume my usb device...08:04
MitoTraninhere's my entire install method: http://wiki.mitopia.net/Plextor_PX-TV402U08:04
MitoTraninIt's what I did for my feisty install...08:04
MitoTraninI just typed it up today though as I was going through it myself again08:04
MitoTraninbut... it doesn't work, obviously08:05
superm1ubuntu doesn't use hotplug?08:05
MitoTraninbut I don't know the differences between feisty and gutsy, so this could be the huge proble08:05
superm1since when/08:05
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MitoTraninthat's where I got that info08:06
superm1oh dapper things have changed significantly since then08:06
MitoTraninso it was taken out for dapper, but put back in since?08:06
superm1okay but that isn't the issue at hand here08:06
superm1let me poke around /sys and see if i can find some sensible device for you to try with08:06
MitoTraninwell, it could be... if hotplug works, then it might work if I try to use that instead of try to use udev08:06
superm1well the issue isn't udev/hotplug though i dont think08:07
superm1unless hotplug is supposed to load the firmware somehow08:07
MitoTraninit's all very undocumented08:07
superm1do you mind if i ssh in to poke around?08:07
MitoTraninthe guy that I found that's been doing the patch doesn't have once since an RC of 2.6.2108:07
MitoTraninlet me setup some forwarding08:07
superm1i'll pm you my public key08:08
MitoTraninhonestly, it's a VMware image, you can go to town, all I have to do is restore my snapshot to before I messed with the driver :)08:08
superm1ah right08:08
superm1vmware allows you to restore snapshots like that?08:08
MitoTraninWMware workstation allows you to have multiple snapshots, yes08:09
superm1that's really sweet08:09
superm1does server allow that too?08:09
MitoTraninVMware server, the free one, allows a single snapshot08:09
superm1ah i see08:09
MitoTraninyou can also use VirtualBox which is free and 95% Free08:10
superm1well i use virtualbox right now08:10
superm1but you can save state08:10
MitoTraninwhich allows a single snapshot, but they are working on the multiple snapshot thing08:10
superm1and have to restore to that same state08:10
MitoTraninyeah, I was big into VB for a while08:10
MitoTraninyeah, that's like a single snapshot08:10
superm1i really liked the remote console features of vmware server though08:10
superm1that's why its still on my list of things that i might go back to08:10
MitoTraninVMware workstation 6 allows you to have multiple snapshots, and if you want, you can have a whole tree of them08:11
MitoTraninVB has remote console08:11
superm1well not like vmware server does though08:11
superm1you can forward usb over it08:11
superm1and connect to sessions running in the background08:11
MitoTraninMy VB page for Ubuntu: http://wiki.mitopia.net/VirtualBox_on_Ubuntu08:11
superm1ah i've never setup networking properly in VB.08:12
superm1always just dealt with its basic install08:12
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sslashesdoes anyone know how to send keyboard input from the command line, something like sendkey ESC, and it will act as if someone hit ESC on the system keyboard?09:23
superm1sslashes, to myth?09:23
superm1or something else?09:23
superm1sslashes, if you are meaning myth: see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Telnet_socket09:24
sslashesno, another program that lacks an lirc interface09:25
superm1can do it09:25
sslashesooh, looks good - thanks09:25
sslashessuperm1: how the hell are you always so helpful =)09:25
superm1i think i've been using myth too long...09:26
superm1okay bed for me09:26
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=== hexxeh dremas of a land where explicit lirc support isn't required - where lirc is entirely userspace, and uses /dev/input/uinput to send events everyone can enjoy
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sslashesi am spawning a program over the mythtv interface (for music - i don't like mythmusic) and it uses irxevent to control it - any idea how i stop mythtv from responding to lirc events in the background?10:45
sslashesfor instance, when an external player like xine is started, how does it handle it?10:45
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marcelHi! Could anyone tell me when the new weekly trunk build would be avaiable ?01:23
marcel(for mythbuntu beta_01:26
Davieymarcel: Probably Sunday?01:33
DavieyIs there a problem with the current one?01:33
marcelWell , i switched to mythbuntu this week. I ran trunk on Gutsy before that. There are a few fixes in Trunk for x264 decoding in internal player (doesnt work in current build)01:36
DavieyIt _should_ only be a few days old as it is?01:48
DavieyAny idea what revision you are currently running?01:48
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marcelI think is in changeset 14599 and tickets #3974 and #406603:20
marcelDaviey, my own build is from yesterday 1465803:23
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Davieymarcel: ah.. I don't want to manually do it now - as there was a bug the other day that still hasn't been tested03:50
DavieySo as you can understand, i don't want to merge the repo03:50
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Davieyfrink_: ping04:35
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hendrixskiI'm trying to make tinker around with the mythtv packages... and I can't seem to edit the 06_ubuntu_directories patch...05:58
hendrixskiIf I want to change a dpatch, instead of patching the patch... I try going into dpatch-edit-patch 0#_patchname and then I want to apply what that patch does so that I can change it... what commands should I run?05:58
hendrixski'cause I tried dpatch apply 0#_patchname and it says failed, I tried patch ./ < debian/patches/0#_patchanem.dpatch  etc. etc.  none of that seems to make the changes inside the dpatch-edit-patch base that I need it to make :-(05:58
hendrixskiany advice?05:58
MitoTranin|WorkI have no clue... but I'll ping a few people (such as superm1, foxbuntu, tgm4883, tgm4883_laptop) to see if they are around and might know...06:00
MitoTranin|Workping > those people06:01
tgm4883whats up06:01
tgm4883ping daviey, davemorris06:01
MitoTranin|Workalmost pinged them too :)06:02
hendrixskiyeah, I'm getting a little help on Ubuntu motu... I guess that my problem is different than I thought06:02
hendrixskiapparently it should apply the patch already... but something's missing when I go through the code in the dpatch-edit-patch editor :-/06:03
tgm4883well the only help i could give would be to point to the packaging guide06:07
hendrixskitgm4883, there's a lot that isn't in there... like which directory to do this all from... looks like that may have been my problem :-/06:08
tgm4883i would that that you would do it from the root dir (keep in mind i've never patched anything)06:09
MitoTranin|Worknormally you can read the patch headers and figure that out06:10
hendrixskitgm4883, giving it a try now... as soon as I redownload a clean version of the source06:10
MitoTranin|Worksometimes you put the patch into the dir that contains the specific files you need to patch06:10
MitoTranin|Worksometimes you put it in the parent folder of the source06:11
hendrixskithis packaging thing isn't as easy as it seems06:11
MitoTranin|Worksometimes you put it in the same dir as the parent dir06:11
MitoTranin|Workhendrixski: it doesn't "seem" so easy to me in the first place :)06:11
tgm4883remember that when i said root dir, i meant the root of the thing your trying to patch, not /06:11
MitoTranin|Worktgm4883 thus the parent dir :)06:12
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lagawhat's the matter, kids?06:13
tgm4883<hendrixski> I'm trying to make tinker around with the mythtv packages... and I can't seem to edit the 06_ubuntu_directories patch...06:13
tgm4883<hendrixski> If I want to change a dpatch, instead of patching the patch... I try going into dpatch-edit-patch 0#_patchname and then I want to apply what that patch does so that I can change it... what commands should I run?06:13
tgm4883<hendrixski> 'cause I tried dpatch apply 0#_patchname and it says failed, I tried patch ./ < debian/patches/0#_patchanem.dpatch  etc. etc.  none of that seems to make the changes inside the dpatch-edit-patch base that I need it to make :-(06:13
tgm4883<hendrixski> any advice?06:13
lagai#d just run dpatch apply XX_name.dpatch06:14
lagathat usually works for me, AFAIK06:14
lagayou can check in debian/patched/ why the patch failed06:14
hendrixskidebian/patched would keep a log of those things?06:15
lagait's a directory where the rejection messages go to, for example06:15
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hendrixskiI see06:16
lagaand where it keeps track which patches are applied06:16
hendrixskinice,   There's a lot to learn... and IRC teaches me more than college06:19
tgm4883hendrixski, there is an irc class on packaging coming up in a few weeks if you want to attend06:20
tgm4883actually lots of classes06:20
tgm4883about lots of things06:20
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hendrixskitgm4883, ooh, is that going to be like the one they gave during that week when feisty came out?06:21
tgm4883ubuntu open week i think is what it is called06:22
hendrixski'cause I went to that but didn't understand ANY of it... now that I've tried it once or twice I'm sure it'll help06:22
hendrixskitgm4883, do you have a link to the schedule?06:22
tgm4883there is also a class on mythbuntu06:22
pdragon|outnice, thanks tgm488306:23
tgm4883although i don't know what superm1 is going to teach06:23
tgm4883"put the cd in and click install.  Any questions.  Thanks"06:23
hendrixskiwow, I'm glad you told me about that.06:23
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tgm4883just found out about it this morning06:23
tgm4883well, most people did06:23
hendrixskinice, I see superm1 is going to be giving the talk on mythbuntu06:23
tgm4883you should subscribe to planet ubuntu.  Lots of good stuff on there06:24
Davieyexcept when i blog on there :)06:24
hendrixskiand there's a part 1 and 2 of the session... hopefully they'll explain a ton more stuff06:24
hendrixski:-) there's even a patching packages session !!! SWEET06:25
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tgm4883why are people so against 64-bit?06:27
popeybecause it yeilds very little real-world performance boost over 32-bit?06:28
Davieycause it is rubish06:28
popeythere aren't 64-bit versions of some apps06:28
tgm4883and the FUD campaign continues06:28
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Davieytgm4883: ie, we have to build two iso's, two sets of packages06:28
DavieyI'd like to drop amd64 packages :)06:28
tgm4883Daviey, not if we only released AMD64 :)06:28
lagaamd64 works well here. and it does yield a performance boost for multimedia apps06:29
Davieymeh... have you benchmarked it?06:29
lagaDaviey: no, because i don't care enough. but other people have done it.06:29
tgm4883laga, i've traded posts with a dev that says even over regular world stuff it has a performance boost06:29
tgm4883i'll have to go see if I can find that post06:30
lagait's also useful for linux distros. eg you dont have to care about people with older processors with limited abilities.06:30
lagai'll give you one example to prove you wrong:06:30
hendrixskiwhao?  if anyone is under the illusion that switching to 64 bit isn't important why don't they go play with HURD... linux needs to be ready for the future06:31
Davieyi386 is a standard instruction set.. If AMD and Intel worked together to form a 64 bit insutruction set.. groovy.. but they aint06:31
lagain our mythtv packages, we cannot use CMOV because some older VIA C3 cpus do not support CMOV (it's not a mandatory part of the 686 spec). for x86_64, you dont have to care about that.06:31
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DavieyWhen did the discusion bring VIA into it?06:32
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lagaDaviey: i did to prove that in real world applications like mythtv, there is a performance improvements. real-world, where packagers have to cope with incapable cpus06:33
Davieyand again.. i'm yet to see performace boost using i686 optimisation compared to i38606:33
Davieylaga: but VIA != i38606:34
lagaDaviey: talk for yourself then. in theearly days of ATSC/HD in the US, people had clear improvements between an unoptimized build and an optimized one to the extend where they could actually watch HD, whereas without optimiztations they couldn't06:35
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lagabut hey, it's OK. keep compiling your multimedia apps without SSE support, stay straight with i386 and let nthe other people use their computers :)06:35
Davieylaga: go and head over to #gentoo, reckon you'll feel at home there06:36
lagarotfl ;)06:36
lagamy point is: 64 bit yields a performance improvement in real-world applications. i'd bet that mythtv/ffmpeg on 64bit is faster than on 32bit, just because the 64bit builds can use more optimiztations like CMOV without pissing off people who use shitty hardware.06:38
tgm4883ah, found it06:39
tgm4883now it is contested a little bit, but i'll post it anyway06:40
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tgm4883Well, kinda. Actually, for almost all architectures 64bit code is slower than 32bit code. It's only because the 32 bit x86 (IA32) architecture has some glaring faults which are rectified in x86-64 that 64bit x86 code runs faster than 32bit x86 code.06:40
tgm4883This is why Debian is (slowly) working towards multiarch. If the world contained only x86 processors, they probably wouldn't bother - there's no (significant) downside to x86-64 code. Other architectures (PPC, etc) really want to use 32bit code where possible and have 64bit code only for programs which need a 64bit address space.06:40
tgm4883^^^ from RAOF06:40
lagawhat's RAOF?06:40
tgm4883some Ubuntu Developer06:40
tgm4883of course, no one has touched multiarch in 18 months so...06:42
tgm4883eh, i blame foxbuntu06:43
lagayou can do very limited multilib stuff in ubuntu06:43
lagagood enough to get zsnes up and running ;)06:43
foxbuntutgm4883, you always blame me06:44
foxbuntunothing new here06:44
tgm4883thats cause it's always you fault ;)06:44
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DavieyI blame foxbuntu06:47
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Davieyfoxbuntu: sounds about right06:56
troy_sgreets all.06:56
Davieyfoxbuntu: shouldn't be jealous... you aint _too_ bad06:56
tgm4883_laptophi troy_s06:58
mythbotWelcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv.  Please state your question or comment.06:59
tgm4883_laptophey, mythbot still works06:59
troy_stgm4883_laptop: is that for me?  Lol.06:59
tgm4883_laptopwell the hi was06:59
troy_sgreets back.06:59
tgm4883_laptopthen i was wondering if mythbot was still here06:59
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bendaileytgm4883: sorry my latop froze07:35
tgm4883thats no fun07:35
bendaileyyep :(07:35
tgm4883do you know the answer to the question i just sent the ML?07:36
tgm4883i was going to put it in the email to my mirror, but wasn't too sure about it07:36
bendaileytgm4883: you can tell they are symlinks if you got to the site via ftp07:36
bendaileytgm4883: it will on delete what is deleted from the master rsync source07:37
tgm4883thats what the delete function does?07:37
tgm4883or does it do that anyway07:37
bendaileyyep by default rsync only keeps change and new adds in sync07:37
tgm4883ok so we need the --delete thing07:37
bendaileywith the delete option it also removes files from the client that have been removed from the mirror07:38
bendaileyyes having the delete option is a good idea07:38
bendaileyassuming things don't get removed prematurely on the master07:39
tgm4883bendailey sec07:41
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)07:41
tgm4883bendailey, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40284/07:41
tgm4883i just realized i missed that part of his email07:41
hendrixskiah crap.... what was the apt-get command to install all the dev packages needed to build a certain package?07:41
tgm4883do we still need to know about the vhost situation?07:41
tgm4883hendrixski, are you using pbuilder?07:42
hendrixskitgm4883, nah, dpkg-buildpackage07:42
hendrixskiI know I should be doing it in pbuilder so as not to litter my computer with all those dev packages... but... meh, it's worked before without07:43
hendrixskioooh, apt-get build-dep  that was the one... nevermind07:45
bendaileytgm4883: if they will do a vhost for the mythbuntu.org dns that would be great but it is not a big deal07:51
tgm4883whats the cname point to?07:52
bendaileytgm4883: ftp-osl.osuosl.org07:53
bendaileytgm4883: anymore questions?07:55
tgm4883nope, just sent the email07:56
bendaileytgm4883: great thanks07:57
bendaileylet me know about the vhost and then I will get them put into the rotation07:58
bendaileytgm4883: should someone send the the ML about the naming convention to drop the date and mimic ubuntu releases?07:58
tgm4883yea go ahead and i will reply to it07:59
bendaileyok great07:59
Davieybendailey: we are already dropping the date, are we not?08:01
bendaileyDaviey: I don't know had that been decide somewhere already?08:01
tgm4883Daviey, unless that was recently decided, not that i know of08:01
bendaileyI know we decided to drop ~ (tilde)08:01
Davieycurrent file name = mythbuntu-7.10-rc-amd64.iso08:01
bendaileyDaviey: great08:02
tgm4883shouldn't it be rc108:02
Davieyi said that, superm1 said - well we are only having one rc - so no need08:02
tgm4883well if we are only having 1 rc, then why not call it release08:02
tgm4883if there is only 1 canidate, then there is only one answer08:03
DavieyI think it is good that we are looking to announce RC before Ubuntu does08:03
bendaileynext time are we going to start with mythbuntu-8.04-tribe1 then progress to mythbuntu-8.04-beta to mythbuntu-8.04-rc ?08:03
tgm4883Daviey, when are we announcing?08:03
Davieydunno..  we used dates initally as we were building too often08:04
bendaileytomorrow I think08:04
tgm4883Ubuntu RC is due today08:04
DavieyProper alphas with no date could be good08:04
Davieyrather than 'Tribe' i suggest 'Channel' :)08:04
DavieyChannel 1, 2 etc08:04
bendaileyI think dates are great for daily builds but for the release that get listed on the webpage I think we should not uses dates08:05
bendaileyis +1 a vote?08:05
DavieyWell.. saying i agree08:05
tgm4883and i agree twice08:05
bendaileyok understand thanks still learning lingo08:06
tgm4883since im american and fatter i get 2 votes08:06
DavieyShall we move this to -dev?08:06
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yotuxhas anyone here used commandIR hardware?08:46
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lagaeither the last update borked autologin or i have been smoking crack10:51
therethinker..or all of the above!10:51
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MitoTraninlaga: is that in the last system updates, or in the new rc ?11:05
MitoTraninI don't have the new rc installed yet, but my system is up to date as of last night and the autologin still works fine11:06
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tgm4883anyone have a gutsy VM that they can test something for me?11:29
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greener-uwQuick question I am on page 41 of Stweart Smith's book Practical Myth TV, so far so good,I am installing an IVTV Capture card. Can someone answer a quick question for me?11:38
lagaMitoTranin: last system update. and i just had to re-enable it. maybe it was the crack pipe11:41
laga!ask greener-uw11:42
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ask greener-uw - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi11:42
lagaoops ;)11:42
lagagreener-uw: just ask11:42
greener-uwOk here goes..on page 41 it has you make some changes to the Makefile in /usr/src/linux then you cp /boot/config-2.6.15-29-386 /usr/src/linux/.config and type make oldconfig, however when I do that it says -su: make: command not found. I am not sure why make wont work, I am thinking there is maybe a typo in the book, any thoughts?11:44
lagagreener-uw: that's because that book is outdated. in feisty and later, ivtv is already included AFAIK.11:49
lagagotta go.11:49
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DaveMorrisgreener-uw: also you prob don't have make installed.  You'll need to install the package 'make' e.g. sudo apt-get install make12:02
DavieyDaveMorris: thought this might be of interest - http://www.saverstore.com/productinfo/product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=20015269&pid=10&tid=6812:23
greener-uwThanks Dave for your input YOu are correct, I didnt have make loaded, I went ahead and tried make oldconfig and it spit out some errors, I followed all the directions correctly but it appears that there is some missing files, I pasted the output below, Why do you think the kernal source wont complie?  Thanks12:28
greener-uwroot@myth-desktop:/usr/src/linux# make12:28
greener-uw  CHK     include/linux/version.h12:28
greener-uw  UPD     include/linux/version.h12:28
greener-uw  SYMLINK include/asm -> include/asm-i38612:28
greener-uw  HOSTCC  scripts/basic/fixdep12:28
greener-uwscripts/basic/fixdep.c:105:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory12:28
greener-uwscripts/basic/fixdep.c:106:22: error: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory12:28
greener-uwscripts/basic/fixdep.c:107:22: error: sys/mman.h: No such file or directory12:28
greener-uwscripts/basic/fixdep.c:108:20: error: unistd.h: No such file or directory12:28
greener-uwscripts/basic/fixdep.c:109:19: error: fcntl.h: No such file or directory12:28
greener-uwscripts/basic/fixdep.c:110:20: error: string.h: No such file or directory12:28
greener-uwscripts/basic/fixdep.c:111:20: error: stdlib.h: No such file or directory12:28
greener-uwscripts/basic/fixdep.c:112:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory12:28
greener-uwIn file included from /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/include/syslimits.h:7,12:28
greener-uw                 from /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/include/limits.h:11,12:28
greener-uw                 from scripts/basic/fixdep.c:113:12:28
greener-uw/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/include/limits.h:122:61: error: limits.h: No such file or directory12:28
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)12:28
greener-uwscripts/basic/fixdep.c:114:19: error: ctype.h: No such file or directory12:28
greener-uwscripts/basic/fixdep.c:115:23: error: arpa/inet.h: No such file or directory12:29
greener-uwscripts/basic/fixdep.c: In function usage:12:29
greener-uwscripts/basic/fixdep.c:129: warning: implicit declaration of function fprintf12:29
DaveMorrislooks like you need the dev versions of various packages installing12:29
greener-uwscripts/basic/fixdep.c:129: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function fprintf12:29
greener-uwscripts/basic/fixdep.c:129: error: stderr undeclared (first use in this function)12:29
greener-uwscripts/basic/fixdep.c:129: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once12:29
tgm4883!pastebin | greener-uw12:29
ubotugreener-uw: please see above12:29
DaveMorrisplease stop copy ing and pasting12:29
DaveMorrisyeah, you need the dev packages which contain the various header files12:30
DaveMorrislinux-libc-dev and prob some others12:31
DaveMorrisDaviey: the thing I'm suspicious of is, that some of them have vga/component on the same AV number, and I want them on seperate chanels12:32
DaveMorrissince eveything else will connect via my amp via component, but my myth frontend will be vga12:32
Davieyyeah.. good point12:32
Davieytis the trouble with unknown brands12:32
DaveMorrisI'll buy a mini-itx board with component out next time, then it'll fit in fine with my cinema amp12:33
Davieystill a good price for 37"12:33
DaveMorrisit all works fine atm through composite video12:33
DaveMorriswell my Wii, DVD player can do component, I don't have any dvi/hdmi equipment12:34
DaveMorrisbesides, the boards with component also have hdmi/dvi12:34
DaveMorrisanyone got a link for creating a team on launchpad?12:37
DaveMorrisI can never navigate myself around12:38
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