[01:21] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest91, I am in the Mid-West
[01:21] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest91, basically, if your video source is encrypted, you'll need to use a set-top box anyway, to decrypt the signal. which isn't a very elegant solution
[01:21] <MythbuntuGuest91> see that is what i thought. fox
[01:21] <therethinker> ...with a space
[01:22] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest91, it takes a little config work (but alot less with Mythbuntu) and some getting used to, but its much better than Tivo
[01:22] <therethinker> Yeah. But I can see  the price being an issue.
[01:23] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest91, and...if you are not techy, intrested, or have the time to build one yourself...I am going to be doing a startup business in approx 3 months selling pre-built and configured Mythbuntu machines
[01:23] <MythbuntuGuest91> cool
[01:24] <MythbuntuGuest91> how much..
[01:24] <therethinker> Heh, I was thinking of doing something similar, but on much much smaller scale
[01:24] <foxbuntu> not sure exact prices yet...but $1499 is my ball-park guess right now
[01:24] <foxbuntu> dual tuners
[01:24] <foxbuntu> HD ready
[01:24] <directhex> foxbuntu, atsc then?
[01:24] <MythbuntuGuest91> holy crap
[01:25] <foxbuntu> and NTSC
[01:25] <MythbuntuGuest91> tivo is only $200 right
[01:25] <therethinker> Yeah, but dual tuners HD ready... that costs a lot
[01:26] <therethinker> the HD tivo was like what, $800?
[01:26] <therethinker> and only 1 tuner...
[01:26] <MythbuntuGuest91> ohhh
[01:26] <MythbuntuGuest91> ok.
[01:26] <MythbuntuGuest91> I did not know the hd tivo was more
[01:26] <therethinker> Yeah, this is not going to be incredibly cheaper... simply because the hardware is hardware, and its hard to do cheaper
[01:27] <laga> and it's not about being cheap, it's about being great
[01:27] <therethinker> Tivo also makes money from subscriptions...
[01:27] <directhex> $300 for tivo hd, plus yearly subscription to the service
[01:27] <therethinker> laga: yeah
[01:27] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "please don't", sorry.
[01:27] <therethinker> Okay, wow, maybe I was wrong
[01:27] <foxbuntu> yeah...plus a tivo is what $20 a month?
[01:27] <therethinker> Oh, directhex, either start with a space, or don't start with a $ :P
[01:28] <directhex> therethinker pick a better callsign!
[01:28] <MythbuntuGuest91> that is my deal. i am tired of the monthly fees
[01:28] <therethinker> But... we already agreed on this :p
[01:28] <therethinker> you can use everything on the top row as a first leter
[01:28] <laga> !test
[01:28] <ubotu> Failed.
[01:28] <therethinker> Actually, $ is one of the least common... when you'd look at it
[01:29] <therethinker> :P
[01:29] <directhex> really? you never discuss currency using the $ sign first?
[01:29] <directhex> % is less common!
[01:29] <therethinker> Eh, I'd doubt that
[01:29] <therethinker> Not to mention % is awkward to type...
[01:30] <therethinker> ! is really easy (sorry ubotu)
[01:30] <laga> % is shift + 5 here
[01:30] <directhex> therethinker shift-five is harder than shift-1 ?
[01:30] <therethinker> yeah, here too
[01:30] <therethinker> Yeah... because of which finger hits it..
[01:30] <therethinker> You have to reach more for % :P
[01:30] <laga> i type with two fingers. seriously.
[01:30] <therethinker> Wow... no wonder you code slowly :P
[01:31] <therethinker> (just kidding)
[01:31] <laga> :P
[01:31] <MythbuntuGuest91> ok what about this.. how are is it to play dvd's
[01:31] <directhex> i used to touch type, until i drank too much at university & killed my typing abiolity
[01:31] <therethinker> DVD's is simple
[01:31] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest91, pretty easily
[01:31] <laga> yes
[01:31] <tgm4883> thanks to the MCC devs
[01:31] <laga> unless those DVDs are encrypted...
[01:31] <therethinker> I've always wanted to learn how to type with 1hand
[01:31] <MythbuntuGuest91> why is dvd so simple and hd is harder?
[01:31] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest91, what do you mean?
[01:31] <therethinker> because, you have to encode the HD in order to play it... DVDs are already encoded
[01:32] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest91, dvd is low-resolution mpeg2, hd is high-resolution mpeg4?
[01:32] <tgm4883> therethinker, thats not true
[01:32] <therethinker> scratch what I said :P
[01:32] <tgm4883> HD is already encoded
[01:32] <laga> therethinker: encode the HD stream? no, it's already encoded.
[01:32] <therethinker> Yeah, I know :P
[01:32] <therethinker> scratch what I said :P
[01:32] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest91, 4x the resolution, give or take. and a 4x more complex codec to decode. assuming h264. mpeg2 is easier, but still high res
[01:33] <MythbuntuGuest91> ahh man
[01:34] <MythbuntuGuest91> ok how about this. can i save my dvd to harddrive them play them on my bigscreen?
[01:34] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest91, sure.
[01:35] <MythbuntuGuest91> ok now. what if i want to play it in another room like my bedroom.. what do need to hook that tv up also?
[01:35] <therethinker> Hello MythbuntuGuest41!
[01:35] <therethinker> $hello
[01:36] <mythbot> Welcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv.  Please state your question or comment.
[01:36] <Tari> MythbuntuGuest91, you'll need a frontend machine in that room (or nearby, at any rate)
[01:37] <MythbuntuGuest91> can my front end be simple like my laptop?
[01:37] <therethinker> Yep
[01:37] <directhex> yes
[01:37] <therethinker> $slap directhex
[01:37] <directhex> i have mythfrontend installed on this desktop machine, the backend is downstairs
[01:37] <mythbot> /me slaps directhex
[01:37] <therethinker> Same here
[01:38] <therethinker> $crush directhex
[01:38] <mythbot> /me pummels directhex to the ground!!!
[01:38] <therethinker> Copycat...
[01:38] <directhex> therethinker, been using myth for a while...
[01:38] <therethinker> .... damn you
[01:38] <therethinker> I still won't admit defeat!
[01:39] <therethinker> $daily directhex
[01:39] <mythbot> /me gives directhex the finger
[01:39] <MythbuntuGuest91> ok my backend with the dvd saved to the harddrive can show on a tv in the bedroom on a laptop through my wireless router
[01:39] <therethinker> what wireless is it? B or G?
[01:40] <MythbuntuGuest91> well my router is n but cards are g
[01:40] <therethinker> ah, so you'll be fine
[01:40] <tgm4883> G is fine
[01:40] <tgm4883> G is more than enough for SD
[01:40] <therethinker> Just as long as it isn't B
[01:40] <tgm4883> N is enough for HD
[01:40] <MythbuntuGuest91> ahhy
[01:40] <MythbuntuGuest91> cool
[01:40] <directhex> tgm4883, depending on bitrates. the problem with wirelss is sustained throughput, not overall bandwidth
[01:41] <tgm4883> yes, true.  Are you talking about SD or HD?
[01:41] <therethinker> But, I assume he, or he has heard of someone, saying that G or N works?
[01:41] <MythbuntuGuest91> dvd
[01:41] <MythbuntuGuest91> my laptop only has a G
[01:42] <MythbuntuGuest91> it is amd64
[01:42] <directhex> tgm4883, SD, but at the bitrates the bbc sends out their flagship shows...
[01:42] <MythbuntuGuest91> what does that mean?
[01:42] <tgm4883> directhex, what bitrates does the bbc use?
[01:43] <directhex> tgm4883, peak times? 6-7mbit. which is actually enough to cause stuttering on 802.11g in real-world scenarios
[01:44] <tgm4883> hmm, thats strange.  Are you sure your wireless is setup properly with no nearby B devices?
[01:44] <laga> might have to increase buffering in the frontend.
[01:44] <laga> i think you have do tdive into the code to do that
[01:45] <laga> OTOH, i get like 2M/s on my g link...
[01:45] <MythbuntuGuest91> ok one more noob question. i am new to linux too. now on my frontend laptop. is it hard to make it daulboot and keep windows
[01:45] <directhex> tgm4883, it's fine if i turn off the fridge and the microwave. like i said, real-world
[01:45] <therethinker> Nope
[01:45] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest91, no, trivial.
[01:45] <MythbuntuGuest91> lol
[01:45] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest91, you can even access recordings under windows if you like
[01:46] <tgm4883> directhex, sounds like wireless issues.  I can stream 9000k over my G just fine.  In an apartment building with many wireless networks surrounding me
[01:46] <therethinker> but as you use Ubuntu, you won't go back ;-)
[01:46] <MythbuntuGuest91> yes, but what about everything i have in windows
[01:47] <therethinker> Don't worry, we won't force ya :P
[01:47] <therethinker> (like what?)
[01:47] <MythbuntuGuest91> battlefield2, call of duty
[01:47] <MythbuntuGuest91> games
[01:47] <therethinker> ah
[01:47] <directhex> therethinker, i've revised my linux advocacy strategy to a pro-windows one (switch a windows user to open-source apps and linux on their infrastructure, the rest may well fall into place
[01:48] <therethinker> I'm not trying to force it on him, he wants to use it, that's great
[01:48] <therethinker> I was half joking with "once you use Ubuntu, you won't go back"
[01:48] <therethinker> and then "like what?", I was wondering if he had heard of WINE
[01:49] <tgm4883> eh, games are for consoles
[01:49] <MythbuntuGuest91> no. what is wine
[01:49] <tgm4883> $wine
[01:49] <therethinker> It lets you run *some* windows programs in linux.
[01:49] <mythbot> Although I didn't know, ubotu says: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[01:49] <therethinker> tgm4883: good one ;-)
[01:49] <tgm4883> booya, owned by your own bot
[01:49] <directhex> wine's not a great solution
[01:49] <tgm4883> cedega's pretty good
[01:49] <tgm4883> $cedega
[01:49] <directhex> and i say this as someone who's written guides to gaming o linux
[01:49] <mythbot> Although I didn't know, ubotu says: cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[01:50] <therethinker> directhex: I never said it was, I didn't know he played games :P
[01:50] <tgm4883> there is also
[01:50] <tgm4883> $crossover
[01:50] <mythbot> Sorry, I neither I or ubotu knew, but Wikipedia says: "Fictional crossover, a storyline shared between two fictional universes, or involving characters from multiple universes See Intercompany crossover for comic-book crossovers in which a character published by one company meets a character published by another." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover
[01:50] <tgm4883> :(
[01:50] <therethinker> if he did things like used Macromedia Flash 8, then it'd work fine
[01:50] <therethinker> $crossover office
[01:50] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "please don't", sorry.
[01:50] <directhex> google for linux gaming, i'm near the top of page 1. \o/
[01:50] <therethinker> :P
[01:50] <therethinker> good for you ;-)
[01:51] <MythbuntuGuest91> open office is great. i already found that out
[01:51] <directhex> as in the second link down. be fair, that's pretty neat :p
[01:51] <therethinker> MythbuntuGuest91: great :-)
[01:51] <therethinker> :P
[01:51] <therethinker> .gc directhex
[01:51] <therethinker> .gc therethinker
[01:52] <therethinker> come on bot!
[01:52] <therethinker> $whack mythbot
[01:52] <mythbot> /me whacks mythbot
[01:52] <therethinker> damn, gc must be disabled
[01:52] <MitoTranin> ?
[01:52] <MythbuntuGuest91> what is gc
[01:52] <MitoTranin> gc ?
[01:53] <therethinker> .gc does the google count of a word
[01:53] <tgm4883> $runover MitoTranin
[01:53] <mythbot> /me takes wireless control of mitotranin's car, and runs him over
[01:53] <therethinker> So like... the number of results for a given search
[01:53] <MitoTranin> $infect tgm4883
[01:53] <mythbot> /me takes control of tgm4883's computer, formats the hard drive, and installs Windows ME on it.
[01:53] <MitoTranin> Ha, I win
[01:53] <therethinker> :P
[01:53] <therethinker> $hug MitoTranin
[01:53] <mythbot> If I had emotions, I'd laugh! No one would ever hug mitotranin!
[01:53] <therethinker> $poke tgm4883
[01:53] <tgm4883> jokes on you, I already have Windows ME installed.......
[01:53] <mythbot> /me stabs tgm4883 violently with a rusty spoon
[01:53] <MitoTranin> lol, cute
[01:53] <therethinker> :P
[01:53] <therethinker> what? poke?
[01:53] <MitoTranin> but therethinker, you need to fix the capitalization
[01:54] <therethinker> It converts to lowercase for reasons
[01:54] <foxbuntu> $hug therethinker
[01:54] <mythbot> If I had emotions, I'd laugh! No one would ever hug therethinker!
[01:54] <laga> foxbuntu: let me know how it goes
[01:54] <MitoTranin> $laugh foxbuntu
[01:54] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "laugh foxbuntu", sorry.
[01:54] <foxbuntu> laga, alright
[01:54] <MitoTranin> lol
[01:54] <foxbuntu> so far so good
[01:54] <therethinker> D:
[01:54] <foxbuntu> I am up to kernel 22-14 now
[01:54] <directhex> Results 1 - 10 of about 12,700 for directhex
[01:54] <therethinker> what, are you like upgrading each one?
[01:54] <therethinker> not bad ;-)
[01:54] <directhex> Results 1 - 10 of about 118 for therethinker
[01:55] <therethinker> :P
[01:55] <therethinker> Wow
[01:55] <foxbuntu> laga, actually, my mythbox is running smoother now on the newer kernel and such
[01:55] <therethinker> My other alias gets 23,100
[01:55] <laga> therethinker: what is your other alias? "teen porn"?
[01:55] <laga> !ohmy
[01:55] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:55] <therethinker> http://www.google.com/search?q=zachninme
[01:55] <therethinker> :P
[01:55] <laga> i need to stop playing with the bot
[01:55] <therethinker> :P
[01:56] <foxbuntu> laga, indeed
[01:56] <therethinker> $runover laga
[01:56] <mythbot> /me takes wireless control of laga's car, and runs him over
[01:56] <therethinker> No one can resist the bot D:
[01:56] <foxbuntu> !ohmy | therethinker
[01:56] <ubotu> therethinker: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:56] <therethinker> ...btw, am I the only one who types out google& wikipedia searches?
[01:56] <therethinker> like, I actually type out /search?q=______ or en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_____
[01:57] <foxbuntu> therethinkeryes
[01:57] <foxbuntu> that is crazy
[01:57] <therethinker> why?
[01:57] <therethinker> its quicker
[01:57] <directhex> therethinker, how many people do you share that pseudonym with though?
[01:57] <foxbuntu> quicker how?
[01:57] <therethinker> neither
[01:57] <therethinker> zachninme, the only result that does not pertain to me is the first result
[01:58] <directhex> therethinker is into laser cutters?
[01:58] <therethinker> Yep :D
[01:58] <therethinker> Please don't stalk me
[01:59] <therethinker> hmm... theoretically, they're could be more that don't have to do with me
[01:59] <therethinker> but on the first 3 pages I skimmed, they were about me
[01:59] <MythbuntuGuest91> ok so now that i have mythbuntu installed how do i see something.. only the weather works
[02:00] <therethinker> directhex: laser cutters are very good for rapid prototyping ;-)
[02:00] <MitoTranin> MythbuntuGuest91: you have to configure the capture card...
[02:00] <directhex> right, it's an hour past sleeptime
[02:00] <MythbuntuGuest91> is that the myth setup someone was talking about?
[02:00] <therethinker> haha, its fun reading through, and finding yourself talked about on blogs :P
[02:01] <MythbuntuGuest91> i thought i did that. how do i run mythsetup?
[02:01] <MitoTranin> MythbuntuGuest91: go into setup, then Mythbuntu Control Center, then tell it to open MythTV setup
[02:01] <MitoTranin> in there you can configure your capture card and your channel sources, etc
[02:01] <MythbuntuGuest91> ok
[02:01] <MythbuntuGuest91> cool
[02:01] <MitoTranin> (this really should be documented somewhere)
[02:02] <laga> yes.
[02:02] <therethinker> We should at least stick it in mythbot's brain P
[02:02] <therethinker> *gets on it*
[02:03] <directhex> superm1, they were eate by a grue. they're found in the wild here, and often eat docs
[02:04] <directhex> that's the reason none of my source code is ever documented. and i'm sticking with it!
[02:04] <therethinker> $postinstall
[02:04] <mythbot> Go into setup, then click Mythbuntu Control Centre Centre, and then launch MythTV setup.
[02:05] <MythbuntuGuest91> oh i do not think i did that either
[02:05] <superm1> therethinker, well not necessarily
[02:05] <superm1> you can do it before install
[02:05] <superm1> eg before reboot
[02:06] <MythbuntuGuest91> does the mythstream stuff work?
[02:06] <therethinker> Oh well :P
[02:06] <tgm4883> yes
[02:06] <laga> MythbuntuGuest91: using it is a bit weird, but it works
[02:07] <MythbuntuGuest91> why
[02:07] <MythbuntuGuest91> i pick news
[02:07] <MythbuntuGuest91> should i see something?
[02:07] <MythbuntuGuest91> status says starting
[02:07] <Dr_willis> If i have a Myth Backend. Am i NOT able to play videos (.avi/ogg/mkv so on) that i have stored on it. In a mythtv front end? They are there in the samba shares.
[02:07] <laga> MythbuntuGuest91: is that computer connected to the internet?
[02:08] <Dr_willis> or am i just missconfigured somehow?
[02:08] <MythbuntuGuest91> yes
[02:08] <tgm4883> Dr_willis, probably misconfigured and missing codecs
[02:08] <laga> MythbuntuGuest91: you probably have to configure the news feeds you want
[02:08] <MythbuntuGuest91> i just seleted a default one
[02:09] <MythbuntuGuest91> kcmo news
[02:09] <MythbuntuGuest91> only thing i can get to work is my local weather
[02:09] <MythbuntuGuest91> lol
[02:09] <MythbuntuGuest91> it is driving me nutx
[02:09] <MythbuntuGuest91> nutx
[02:09] <MythbuntuGuest91> one more time nuts
[02:11] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest91, try one of the shoutcast stations
[02:11] <MythbuntuGuest91> ok
[02:12] <MythbuntuGuest91> ok trying top25 streams from shoutcast
[02:15] <MythbuntuGuest91> what does harvester mean?
[02:15] <MythbuntuGuest91> it is half red
[02:15] <MythbuntuGuest91> Why?
[02:17] <laga> when it's harvesting, it' sgetting a list of streams i think
[02:21] <MythbuntuGuest91> ok
[02:31] <MythbuntuGuest91> hello
[02:31] <MythbuntuGuest91> where everyone go?
[02:31] <Tari> around
[02:31] <Dr_willis> hmmm
[02:33] <MythbuntuGuest91> i do not see that mythtvsetup
[02:34] <mungewell> Hi all, I see that you're looking for testcards to include. There are some good ones on http://www.belle-nuit.com/testchart.html
[02:34] <laga> mungewell: thanks
[02:34] <MythbuntuGuest91> what is that?
[02:35] <mungewell> the guy offers software for free download, so maybe he'd be open to some form of open license for these....
[02:36] <laga> MythbuntuGuest91: hum. might have to talk to him
[02:39] <MythbuntuGuest91> hey, i got another question. when i quit the mythtv. I now have 5 wired network icons in the top right corner
[02:39] <MythbuntuGuest91> do you know why?
[02:40] <tgm4883_laptop> bug
[02:40] <tgm4883_laptop> should be fixed now
[02:40] <MythbuntuGuest91> ok do i download and burn another copy to install?
[02:41] <MythbuntuGuest91> or do that automatic weekly builds stuff?
[02:42] <laga> you just need to upgrade using the regular upgrade methods
[02:42] <laga> there should be a pop up if there are updates available
[02:43] <mungewell> I'm in the process of downloading the beta to replace my MythDora system. Has any working been done on the LCDproc stuff, thus enabling full control of MythTV without having the monitor turned on? (Was quite a few missing pages before....)
[02:44] <superm1> mungewell, no automation for it at this point.  The packages are out there though in the repositories
[02:45] <mungewell> superm1:  not sure what you mean by automation. I just want to be able to navigate through the menus. Kind of works on MythDora, but pages are missing/get stuck.
[02:45] <laga> mungewell: thanks, just wrote an email to that guy
[02:46] <superm1> mungewell, well unfortunately none of us (mythbuntu devs) have lcdproc devices to use to develop on at this point, so its kinda a gray area to all of us
[02:46] <superm1> bbiab
[02:46] <mungewell> laga - don't mention it.... I found the testcards when I was shopping for a TV. Wanted to check the alignment/distortion on the back projections systems.
[02:48] <mungewell> superm1: technically neither do I. I was playing with Ncurses client on a different machine and a client app running on an old Palm 3 connected via serial cable.
[02:48] <laga> mungewell: can you elaborate a bit on the palm thing? i've got n old palm m100 and a serial cable for it
[02:50] <laga> mungewell: i think i found it.
[02:50] <laga> very cool.
[02:51] <mungewell> laga: http://palmorb.sourceforge.net/ is the main bit (LCDproc client), you also need to wrap some other apps to ensure that the palm always start running this at boot (I turn my MythTV box off!)
[02:51] <laga> thanks
[02:51] <laga> hum
[02:52] <laga> i need to put that on my todo list
[02:52] <mungewell> http://www.palmbytes.coolfreepages.com/autoexec.html and/or http://docwhat.gerf.org/code/powerbutton/
[02:53] <therethinker> $laga ensure palm always running @ boot
[02:53] <mythbot> laga is to work on ensure palm always running @ boot
[02:53] <therethinker> :-)
[02:53] <laga> nifty
[02:54] <laga> $slap therethinker
[02:54] <mythbot> /me slaps therethinker
[02:54] <therethinker> :P
[02:54] <therethinker> $daily laga
[02:54] <mythbot> /me gives laga the finger
[02:54] <therethinker> damn... thought it changed
[02:54] <therethinker> $daily laga
[02:54] <mythbot> /me throws laga into a flaming pit, and forces him to answer questions on #ubuntu-mythtv without using me OR ubotu!
[02:54] <laga> oh my god
[02:54] <therethinker> I know, isn't it terrible?
[02:54] <laga> hum, maybe the GF needs a LCD for her myth box
[02:55] <mungewell> laga: better fix the menus before offering that  ;-)
[02:55] <laga> mungewell: damn. why do you have to tell me stuff like this at 3am?
[02:56] <mungewell> mungewell: time is relative.... it's only 18:55 MDT
[02:56] <therethinker> Whay are you talking to yourself?
[02:56] <laga> heh
[02:57] <therethinker> s/Whay/Why
[02:58] <mungewell> I didn't suss out all the of the palm stuff. There are issues if you power cycle the box. Your need to ensure the palm turns on (short out power button might work) and that the internal memory is battery backed in case the mythbox is off for any length of time.
[02:58] <therethinker> can someone pop in/out #mythbot?
[03:00] <laga> mungewell: why?
[03:00] <laga> mungewell: because lcdproc will fail otherwise?
[03:03] <mungewell> I believe that the daemon part of LCDproc is happy without any 'displays' connected, it will just relay the screens when a display connected. I would just be a pain if the palm didn't automatically start with the Myth box.
[03:03] <laga> ah.
[03:03] <laga> well, that wouldn't bother me
[03:03] <laga> i hardly use mythtv so i can just turn on the palm on-demand ;)
[03:04] <mungewell> huh... got the impression that you're one of the main-dev's.
[03:06] <laga> yeah, but messing with it is too much fun ;)
[03:06] <laga> no worries, i do use it, but not as much as i should
[03:06] <laga> especially because my main frontend is a bit broken right now
[03:10] <tgm4883_laptop> laga likes to break things
[03:10] <tgm4883_laptop> some of us like things that are functional
[03:10] <laga> that's why i run trunk :)
[03:11] <tgm4883_laptop> laga is running gutsy +1
[03:11] <laga> rotfl
[03:11] <therethinker> :P
[03:11] <therethinker> $daily laga
[03:11] <mythbot> /me throws laga into a flaming pit, and forces him to answer questions on #ubuntu-mythtv without using me OR ubotu!
[03:11] <therethinker> $todo
[03:11] <mythbot> therethinker, you need to finding something good
[03:11] <therethinker> $therethinker have someone tell you what to do
[03:11] <mythbot> I'll tell therethinker to have someone tell you what to do
[03:13] <tgm4883_laptop> $low-spec
[03:13] <mythbot> http://hawley.homeip.net/recycled-machine-mythtv.html
[03:13] <therethinker> Good plan
[03:13] <therethinker> Wait, I think I already had that...
[03:13] <therethinker> Ohh
[03:13] <therethinker> I thought you just added that :P
[03:13] <tgm4883_laptop> nope
[03:14] <therethinker> $update
[03:14] <mythbot> Oct 10th -- todo lists! $NAME WHAT , $todo
[03:32] <MythbuntuGuest91> hello
[03:32] <MythbuntuGuest91> yall still here
[03:34] <MythbuntuGuest79> hello
[03:34] <MythbuntuGuest79> yall here?
[03:34] <Dr_willis> hmm?
[03:34] <MythbuntuGuest79> this is the same guy 91
[03:35] <laga> ;)
[03:36] <MythbuntuGuest79> so do i need to follow the instructions on the automatic weekly builds
[03:36] <laga> in order to do what?
[03:37] <MythbuntuGuest79> does that keep me up todate?
[03:37] <laga> with what?
[03:38] <MythbuntuGuest79> like me having 5 wired network icons
[03:39] <laga> no, that'll just update mythtv itself. you need to perform a regular ubuntu update
[03:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:48] <MythbuntuGuest79> ok
[03:51] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest79, that is resolved in some updates to mythbuntu-default-settings.  you may need to remove ~/.cache however as well to fix it
[04:02] <mitche11> Does anyone have a MythTV front end that rips DVD's to a backend or some other server?
[04:02] <laga> !metaquestion
[04:02] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:03] <Dr_willis> mitche11,  hmm.. Not sure the front end can rip TO the backend..
[04:03] <Dr_willis> never tried that however. heh.
[04:04] <laga> of course it is. just use NFS or something similar
[04:04] <mitche11> 1)  I got a repeated kernel panic when I tried to rip to a NFS location (set with MythVideo).  anyone encountered this or have tips?
[04:04] <Dr_willis> laga,   its not set that way by default..
[04:04] <laga> true.
[04:04] <mitche11> 2)  Can I get around this problem by scripting a wrapper around mtd so that it will rip locally and then move it to a server?
[04:04] <Dr_willis> you could rip it locally, then transfer easially enough. :)
[04:05] <superm1> what is the cause of the kernel panic?
[04:05] <Dr_willis> actually i need to set up some NFS shares...
[04:05] <mitche11> that's what I want to hear! DR_willis
[04:05] <superm1> have you traced it back?
[04:05] <Dr_willis> mitche11,  you could rip the dvd to avi with about anything and just copy it over. :) no need for the front end either. heh
[04:05] <mitche11> Knew someone would ask about tracing and debuggin, no I didn't
[04:06] <mitche11> Dr_willis, I could do a lot of what MythTV does with other programs.  I'm looking to use it as a media center and I'm looking for convenience.,
[04:06] <mitche11> After I spend days troubleshooting of course.
[04:07] <Dr_willis> im not sure if the front end install - actually Installs the needed tools to do the ripping either.
[04:07] <Dr_willis> ive only experimented a little with front ends however.
[04:08] <mitche11> I guess I'll try to check out the cause of the kernel panic some more.
[04:08] <mitche11> The strange thing is that my front end can rip locally no problem, but if I rip to my NFS share it dies about 1/5 in.  Strange thing is that I thought it was supposed to rip locally and then transfer later.
[04:12] <mitche11> Last follow-up: Does anyone know of any good documentation around mtd or know how MythTV calls mtd (I want to try to call it on my own).
[04:13] <mitche11> I googled for a while but no dice.
[04:13] <Dr_willis> hmm.. NFS can be picky at times . woner if theres a filesize limit in nfs?
[04:14] <Dr_willis> 1/5 of a 9gb dvd would be about 2gb?
[04:14] <mitche11> Maybe I'll try a different share... smb?  something else
[04:15] <mitche11> Thanks for all the help!
[04:15] <Dr_willis> sshfs or some of the other fuse tools are handy also
[04:15] <mitche11> ssh, good idea... is that going to be slower?  Not that it really matters
[04:15] <Dr_willis> a little perhaps.
[04:16] <Dr_willis> ive been using sshfs for a while. Its handy
[04:16] <mitche11> ok, thanks a lot.  I'll check it out.
[05:52] <MythbuntuGuest63> hi all
[06:04] <superm1> $hello
[06:04] <mythbot> Welcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv.  Please state your question or comment.
[06:07] <iuaudio_> I'm curious why hdhomerun is not listed as a remote control device.  Does anyone know?
[06:10] <tgm4883_laptop> is it a remote control?
[06:10] <iuaudio_> it has an ir receiver and transmits to lirc via udp
[06:11] <tgm4883_laptop> interesting
[06:11] <tgm4883_laptop> ask superm1 about it :)
[06:12] <superm1> yeah it does.  I've never configured mine as such (or had a need to yet), so i haven't got it as a lirc option yet
[06:12] <superm1> iuaudio_, can you mock up a spec about it, and we can target it for hardy?
[06:14] <iuaudio_> hmm... well all I could tell you is what's found at http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/instructions/mythtv under the LIRC heading...
[06:14] <superm1> iuaudio_, hm looks easy enough
[06:15] <iuaudio_> silicon dust even recommends mythbuntu on their page... since they're so into the myth community maybe they'd write it themselves
[06:15] <superm1> iuaudio_, could you still just at least "make" the spec and link to that?, dont even need to put anything in it other than a link
[06:15] <iuaudio_> one would still have to program their universal remote
[06:15] <superm1> do they really now?
[06:15] <superm1> well i do maintain their hdhomerun package in ubuntu :)
[06:15] <iuaudio_> oh sorry, ubuntu proper... see the text at the top of that page
[06:16] <superm1> ah yeah that's what i had thought
[06:16] <iuaudio_> maybe I don't know what I'm talking about... I'm still a bit of a noob on linux
[06:17] <iuaudio_> how would I submit the spec?
[06:18] <superm1> iuaudio_, https://launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+addspec
[06:18] <iuaudio_> thx
[06:19] <iuaudio_> there is a "network" option during mythbuntu install, but its not shown in the control center after installation... maybe the code is already there to implement it, but not available after the install process
[06:19] <iuaudio_> network remote control, that is
[06:23] <superm1> well i can't say i've touched any code related to a network remote.  its possible that there was some stuff from upstream lirc that we got, but i haven't made any improvements over that
[06:23] <superm1> well looking a little closer
[06:23] <superm1> you might be able to get away with that easily actually
[06:24] <iuaudio_> how so?
[06:24] <superm1> if you just modify the DEVICE item in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf
[06:24] <superm1> after choosing the network remote
[06:25] <iuaudio_> I've got it open... how would it read?
[06:26] <superm1> DEVICE="5000"
[06:26] <superm1> from what i can tell
[06:26] <superm1> and then you configure your hdhomerun to send the packets to your computer
[06:26] <iuaudio_> oh, as the port
[06:26] <superm1> right
[06:26] <iuaudio_> got it
[06:26] <iuaudio_> it sounds like you've been a heavy lifter on the code for mythbuntu... just want to say thanks for a great project
[06:27] <superm1> no prob, its been a blast making this honestly :)
[06:27] <iuaudio_> was running myth under suse, but wanted to get away from novell.  Mythbuntu is working well for me!
[06:38] <superm1> !envy | foxbuntu
[06:38] <ubotu> foxbuntu: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[06:38] <superm1> !automatix | foxbuntu
[06:38] <ubotu> foxbuntu: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[06:45] <tazgodx> !RTFM | tazgodx
[06:48] <MitoTranin> superm1: can you read through something for me when you get a sec?
[06:49] <tgm4883_laptop> http://www.geekstir.com/mariopumpkin.html
[06:50] <MitoTranin> nice tgm4883_laptop
[06:50] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, can you grab a copy of this: http://uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/~superm1/mythbuntu-7.10~071011-i386.iso
[06:50] <superm1> and when you get a moment make sure that !unionfs is fixed for you?
[06:50] <MitoTranin> well, could someone read through http://wiki.mitopia.net/Plextor_PX-TV402U for me and let me know if it makes good sense?
[06:50] <MitoTranin> thanks
[06:50] <tgm4883_laptop> so slow
[06:50] <superm1> MitoTranin, sorry not right now, PM me this weekend or early next week
[06:50] <tgm4883_laptop> 119 kb/s
[06:51] <superm1> someone must be hammering uk.cdimages then :)
[06:51] <superm1> that's a good thing
[06:52] <MitoTranin> superm1: I've been between 40-50gb per day on my mirror
[06:52] <tgm4883_laptop> yea it's going to take me like 30 minutes to d/l
[06:52] <MitoTranin> not a bad average
[06:52] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, just conect to us-il.cdimages.mythbuntu.org
[06:52] <superm1> foxbuntu, that wont be there
[06:52] <MitoTranin> lowest was 39.1, highest was 52.5
[06:52] <superm1> its only on uk.
[06:52] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, it's not on there
[06:53] <foxbuntu> oh
[06:53] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, just sometime tonight or tomorrow.  that is our rc of the rc
[06:53] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, ok
[06:53] <tgm4883_laptop> MitoTranin, where is your mirror?
[06:53] <superm1> so if it looks good to you, its good for me and laga, so we can sync mirrors tomorrow night
[06:53] <MitoTranin> us
[06:53] <MitoTranin> us-ca2
[06:53] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[06:54] <MitoTranin> have we figured out how we're going to sync the mirrors yet?
[06:54] <MitoTranin> other than manually of course...
[06:54] <superm1> we have an rsync system in place
[06:54] <tgm4883_laptop> my mirror rsyncs
[06:54] <superm1> and a push system now
[06:55] <superm1> actually i'll shoot a mail to sort out the remaining mirrors syncing methods
[06:55] <superm1> to the mailing list
[06:55] <MitoTranin> superm1: was anyone going to tell me so I could setup mine?
[06:55] <MitoTranin> heh
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, you got that email from me?
[06:55] <superm1> which one?
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> today
[06:55] <superm1> ababout osoul?
[06:56] <superm1> yeah i forwarded it to ben, hopefully he can get the dns setup tonight
[06:56] <tgm4883_laptop> i think  i forwared the last email i got from them
[06:56] <superm1> or tomorrow
[06:56] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[06:56] <superm1> yeah
[06:56] <tgm4883_laptop> basically it says when they rsync, so we know when we need to have the iso up in order to be good for that day
[06:57] <MitoTranin> so superm1, tgm4883_laptop, where should I setup my mirror to rsync to?
[06:57] <tazgodx> MitoTranin: i read that link, makes sense to me.
[06:57] <MitoTranin> tazgodx: thanks!
[06:58] <tazgodx> don't have one so can't test it to make sure its all correct, but looks good
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> MitoTranin, this is what my mirror set for rsync
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> rsync -rtlpvH uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org::www/ /data/ftp/.2/mythbuntu/
[06:58] <MitoTranin> tazgodx: it actually doesn't work yet though.... I had it working on my feisty box, but had video driver problems so I couldn't play the videos etc
[06:58] <tazgodx> haha
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> what is 2003 UTC anyway?
[06:58] <MitoTranin> now that I just set it up while writing that, it's not working...
[06:59] <tgm4883_laptop> MitoTranin, what wiki is this?
[06:59] <MitoTranin> tgm4883_laptop: so we're mirroring using the uk server as the main then... what about the subdirs of that dir?
[06:59] <MitoTranin> tgm4883_laptop: it's mine... why?
[07:00] <tgm4883_laptop> MitoTranin, the mirror is frink's mirror.  I don't know much about any of that
[07:00] <tgm4883_laptop> about the wiki, I was just thinking that the mythtv people would probably appreciate that kind of stuff if you didn't mind putting it on there too
[07:01] <MitoTranin> well, I kinda need to get it to work first :)
[07:01] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[07:01] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, is 8.04 already named?
[07:01] <MitoTranin> right now, that's what worked for me in feisty on a hardware machine
[07:01] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, hardy heron
[07:01] <tgm4883_laptop> nice
[07:01] <MitoTranin>  just did that in a vmware machine running the mythbuntu 7.10 beta, and it doesn't work :|
[07:02] <tgm4883_laptop> I didn't think they were going back to H
[07:02] <MitoTranin> so I need to troubleshoot etc
[07:03] <MitoTranin> What do you guys think of this?  the patch I just used was for kernel 2.6.21 since that's the newest patch I could find...
[07:03] <MitoTranin> I just found this guy saying this:  "I received a patch from Chris P. that fixes the driver compilation issue for the 2.6.22 Fedora kernels (and most likely other distros too)! The driver source has been patched (the patch is provided in the "patches" directory) and seems to work perfectly."
[07:04] <MitoTranin> should I try that patch, even though it's designed for the fedora kernel?
[07:37] <MitoTranin> tgm4883, tgm4883_laptop: you around?
[07:48] <MitoTranin> nevermind... :)
[07:55] <sslashes> what window manager does the current release of mythbuntu use?
[07:56] <MitoTranin> xfce I believe...
[07:56] <superm1> yes xfce sslashes
[07:56] <sslashes> thanks
[07:57] <MitoTranin> superm1: I know you said you were busy earlier, do you have time for a quick Q right now?
[07:57] <superm1> yeah
[07:57] <MitoTranin> I'm having a problem, and I'm not sure if it's due to my VMware usage, or not
[07:57] <superm1> it's been a crazy week for me, so my availability is sparatic :)
[07:57] <MitoTranin> right now, so that I don't go screwing around with my hardware install, I'm messing around with my USB tuner in a VMware session
[07:58] <superm1> right
[07:58] <MitoTranin> I got the vmware all setup etc and all updated
[07:58] <MitoTranin> got everything installed and running the way I used to have it working in feisty
[07:58] <MitoTranin> but when I try to load the firmware, I get an error
[07:58] <MitoTranin> !pastebin
[07:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:59] <MitoTranin> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40242/
[07:59] <superm1> what does that firmware loading script look like?
[08:00] <MitoTranin> http://mitopia.net/files/go7007_fimware_load
[08:01] <superm1> i think that /proc/bus/usb/ doesn't populate anything
[08:01] <superm1>  /sys/bus/usb does however
[08:01] <MitoTranin> actually you're right, it's empty
[08:02] <MitoTranin> that script worked in feisty, did that change since then?
[08:03] <superm1> it very well may have
[08:03] <MitoTranin> and I can't go back to my feisty install and check, because I installed mythbuntu over the top of it :)
[08:03] <superm1> you know what exactly that fx_load is looking for ?
[08:04] <MitoTranin> I would assume my usb device...
[08:04] <MitoTranin> here's my entire install method: http://wiki.mitopia.net/Plextor_PX-TV402U
[08:04] <MitoTranin> It's what I did for my feisty install...
[08:04] <MitoTranin> I just typed it up today though as I was going through it myself again
[08:05] <MitoTranin> but... it doesn't work, obviously
[08:05] <superm1> ubuntu doesn't use hotplug?
[08:05] <MitoTranin> but I don't know the differences between feisty and gutsy, so this could be the huge proble
[08:05] <superm1> since when/
[08:05] <MitoTranin> problem
[08:05] <MitoTranin> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Plextor_PX-TV402U#Ubuntu_6.06_.28Dapper.29
[08:06] <MitoTranin> that's where I got that info
[08:06] <superm1> oh dapper things have changed significantly since then
[08:06] <MitoTranin> so it was taken out for dapper, but put back in since?
[08:06] <superm1> okay but that isn't the issue at hand here
[08:06] <superm1> let me poke around /sys and see if i can find some sensible device for you to try with
[08:06] <MitoTranin> well, it could be... if hotplug works, then it might work if I try to use that instead of try to use udev
[08:07] <superm1> well the issue isn't udev/hotplug though i dont think
[08:07] <superm1> unless hotplug is supposed to load the firmware somehow
[08:07] <MitoTranin> it's all very undocumented
[08:07] <superm1> do you mind if i ssh in to poke around?
[08:07] <MitoTranin> the guy that I found that's been doing the patch doesn't have once since an RC of 2.6.21
[08:07] <MitoTranin> sure
[08:07] <MitoTranin> let me setup some forwarding
[08:08] <superm1> i'll pm you my public key
[08:08] <MitoTranin> honestly, it's a VMware image, you can go to town, all I have to do is restore my snapshot to before I messed with the driver :)
[08:08] <superm1> ah right
[08:08] <superm1> vmware allows you to restore snapshots like that?
[08:09] <MitoTranin> WMware workstation allows you to have multiple snapshots, yes
[08:09] <superm1> that's really sweet
[08:09] <superm1> does server allow that too?
[08:09] <MitoTranin> VMware server, the free one, allows a single snapshot
[08:09] <superm1> ah i see
[08:10] <MitoTranin> you can also use VirtualBox which is free and 95% Free
[08:10] <superm1> well i use virtualbox right now
[08:10] <superm1> but you can save state
[08:10] <MitoTranin> which allows a single snapshot, but they are working on the multiple snapshot thing
[08:10] <superm1> and have to restore to that same state
[08:10] <MitoTranin> yeah, I was big into VB for a while
[08:10] <MitoTranin> yeah, that's like a single snapshot
[08:10] <superm1> i really liked the remote console features of vmware server though
[08:10] <superm1> that's why its still on my list of things that i might go back to
[08:11] <MitoTranin> VMware workstation 6 allows you to have multiple snapshots, and if you want, you can have a whole tree of them
[08:11] <MitoTranin> VB has remote console
[08:11] <superm1> well not like vmware server does though
[08:11] <superm1> you can forward usb over it
[08:11] <superm1> and connect to sessions running in the background
[08:11] <MitoTranin> My VB page for Ubuntu: http://wiki.mitopia.net/VirtualBox_on_Ubuntu
[08:12] <superm1> ah i've never setup networking properly in VB.
[08:12] <superm1> always just dealt with its basic install
[09:23] <sslashes> does anyone know how to send keyboard input from the command line, something like sendkey ESC, and it will act as if someone hit ESC on the system keyboard?
[09:23] <superm1> sslashes, to myth?
[09:23] <superm1> or something else?
[09:24] <superm1> sslashes, if you are meaning myth: see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Telnet_socket
[09:25] <sslashes> no, another program that lacks an lirc interface
[09:25] <superm1> oh.
[09:25] <superm1> irxevent
[09:25] <superm1> can do it
[09:25] <sslashes> ooh, looks good - thanks
[09:25] <sslashes> superm1: how the hell are you always so helpful =)
[09:26] <superm1> i think i've been using myth too long...
[09:26] <superm1> okay bed for me
[09:26] <superm1> nn
[10:22] <frink_> yo
[10:45] <sslashes> i am spawning a program over the mythtv interface (for music - i don't like mythmusic) and it uses irxevent to control it - any idea how i stop mythtv from responding to lirc events in the background?
[10:45] <sslashes> for instance, when an external player like xine is started, how does it handle it?
[01:23] <marcel> Hi! Could anyone tell me when the new weekly trunk build would be avaiable ?
[01:26] <marcel> (for mythbuntu beta_
[01:33] <Daviey> marcel: Probably Sunday?
[01:33] <Daviey> Is there a problem with the current one?
[01:36] <marcel> Well , i switched to mythbuntu this week. I ran trunk on Gutsy before that. There are a few fixes in Trunk for x264 decoding in internal player (doesnt work in current build)
[01:48] <Daviey> It _should_ only be a few days old as it is?
[01:48] <Daviey> Any idea what revision you are currently running?
[03:20] <marcel> I think is in changeset 14599 and tickets #3974 and #4066
[03:23] <marcel> Daviey, my own build is from yesterday 14658
[03:50] <Daviey> marcel: ah.. I don't want to manually do it now - as there was a bug the other day that still hasn't been tested
[03:50] <Daviey> So as you can understand, i don't want to merge the repo
[04:35] <Daviey> frink_: ping
[05:58] <hendrixski> I'm trying to make tinker around with the mythtv packages... and I can't seem to edit the 06_ubuntu_directories patch...
[05:58] <hendrixski> If I want to change a dpatch, instead of patching the patch... I try going into dpatch-edit-patch 0#_patchname and then I want to apply what that patch does so that I can change it... what commands should I run?
[05:58] <hendrixski> 'cause I tried dpatch apply 0#_patchname and it says failed, I tried patch ./ < debian/patches/0#_patchanem.dpatch  etc. etc.  none of that seems to make the changes inside the dpatch-edit-patch base that I need it to make :-(
[05:58] <hendrixski> any advice?
[06:00] <MitoTranin|Work> I have no clue... but I'll ping a few people (such as superm1, foxbuntu, tgm4883, tgm4883_laptop) to see if they are around and might know...
[06:01] <MitoTranin|Work> ping > those people
[06:01] <tgm4883> whats up
[06:01] <hendrixski> ^
[06:01] <tgm4883> heh
[06:01] <tgm4883> ping daviey, davemorris
[06:02] <MitoTranin|Work> almost pinged them too :)
[06:02] <hendrixski> yeah, I'm getting a little help on Ubuntu motu... I guess that my problem is different than I thought
[06:03] <hendrixski> apparently it should apply the patch already... but something's missing when I go through the code in the dpatch-edit-patch editor :-/
[06:07] <tgm4883> well the only help i could give would be to point to the packaging guide
[06:08] <hendrixski> tgm4883, there's a lot that isn't in there... like which directory to do this all from... looks like that may have been my problem :-/
[06:09] <tgm4883> i would that that you would do it from the root dir (keep in mind i've never patched anything)
[06:10] <MitoTranin|Work> normally you can read the patch headers and figure that out
[06:10] <hendrixski> tgm4883, giving it a try now... as soon as I redownload a clean version of the source
[06:10] <MitoTranin|Work> sometimes you put the patch into the dir that contains the specific files you need to patch
[06:11] <MitoTranin|Work> sometimes you put it in the parent folder of the source
[06:11] <hendrixski> this packaging thing isn't as easy as it seems
[06:11] <MitoTranin|Work> sometimes you put it in the same dir as the parent dir
[06:11] <tgm4883> yea
[06:11] <MitoTranin|Work> hendrixski: it doesn't "seem" so easy to me in the first place :)
[06:11] <tgm4883> remember that when i said root dir, i meant the root of the thing your trying to patch, not /
[06:12] <MitoTranin|Work> tgm4883 thus the parent dir :)
[06:12] <tgm4883> yes
[06:13] <laga> what's the matter, kids?
 I'm trying to make tinker around with the mythtv packages... and I can't seem to edit the 06_ubuntu_directories patch...
 If I want to change a dpatch, instead of patching the patch... I try going into dpatch-edit-patch 0#_patchname and then I want to apply what that patch does so that I can change it... what commands should I run?
 'cause I tried dpatch apply 0#_patchname and it says failed, I tried patch ./ < debian/patches/0#_patchanem.dpatch  etc. etc.  none of that seems to make the changes inside the dpatch-edit-patch base that I need it to make :-(
 any advice?
[06:14] <laga> i#d just run dpatch apply XX_name.dpatch
[06:14] <laga> that usually works for me, AFAIK
[06:14] <laga> you can check in debian/patched/ why the patch failed
[06:15] <hendrixski> hhhmmm
[06:15] <hendrixski> debian/patched would keep a log of those things?
[06:15] <laga> it's a directory where the rejection messages go to, for example
[06:16] <hendrixski> I see
[06:16] <laga> and where it keeps track which patches are applied
[06:19] <hendrixski> nice,   There's a lot to learn... and IRC teaches me more than college
[06:19] <hendrixski> :-)
[06:20] <tgm4883> hendrixski, there is an irc class on packaging coming up in a few weeks if you want to attend
[06:20] <tgm4883> actually lots of classes
[06:20] <tgm4883> about lots of things
[06:21] <hendrixski> tgm4883, ooh, is that going to be like the one they gave during that week when feisty came out?
[06:21] <tgm4883> probably
[06:22] <tgm4883> ubuntu open week i think is what it is called
[06:22] <hendrixski> 'cause I went to that but didn't understand ANY of it... now that I've tried it once or twice I'm sure it'll help
[06:22] <hendrixski> tgm4883, do you have a link to the schedule?
[06:22] <tgm4883> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[06:22] <tgm4883> there is also a class on mythbuntu
[06:22] <hendrixski> nice
[06:23] <pdragon|out> nice, thanks tgm4883
[06:23] <tgm4883> although i don't know what superm1 is going to teach
[06:23] <tgm4883> "put the cd in and click install.  Any questions.  Thanks"
[06:23] <pdragon|out> haha
[06:23] <hendrixski> wow, I'm glad you told me about that.
[06:23] <tgm4883> just found out about it this morning
[06:23] <tgm4883> well, most people did
[06:23] <hendrixski> nice, I see superm1 is going to be giving the talk on mythbuntu
[06:24] <tgm4883> you should subscribe to planet ubuntu.  Lots of good stuff on there
[06:24] <Daviey> except when i blog on there :)
[06:24] <hendrixski> and there's a part 1 and 2 of the session... hopefully they'll explain a ton more stuff
[06:25] <hendrixski> :-) there's even a patching packages session !!! SWEET
[06:27] <tgm4883> arg
[06:27] <tgm4883> why are people so against 64-bit?
[06:28] <popey> because it yeilds very little real-world performance boost over 32-bit?
[06:28] <Daviey> cause it is rubish
[06:28] <popey> there aren't 64-bit versions of some apps
[06:28] <tgm4883> nice
[06:28] <tgm4883> and the FUD campaign continues
[06:28] <Daviey> tgm4883: ie, we have to build two iso's, two sets of packages
[06:28] <Daviey> I'd like to drop amd64 packages :)
[06:28] <tgm4883> Daviey, not if we only released AMD64 :)
[06:29] <laga> amd64 works well here. and it does yield a performance boost for multimedia apps
[06:29] <Daviey> meh... have you benchmarked it?
[06:29] <laga> Daviey: no, because i don't care enough. but other people have done it.
[06:29] <tgm4883> laga, i've traded posts with a dev that says even over regular world stuff it has a performance boost
[06:30] <tgm4883> i'll have to go see if I can find that post
[06:30] <laga> it's also useful for linux distros. eg you dont have to care about people with older processors with limited abilities.
[06:30] <laga> i'll give you one example to prove you wrong:
[06:31] <hendrixski> whao?  if anyone is under the illusion that switching to 64 bit isn't important why don't they go play with HURD... linux needs to be ready for the future
[06:31] <Daviey> i386 is a standard instruction set.. If AMD and Intel worked together to form a 64 bit insutruction set.. groovy.. but they aint
[06:31] <laga> in our mythtv packages, we cannot use CMOV because some older VIA C3 cpus do not support CMOV (it's not a mandatory part of the 686 spec). for x86_64, you dont have to care about that.
[06:32] <Daviey> When did the discusion bring VIA into it?
[06:33] <laga> Daviey: i did to prove that in real world applications like mythtv, there is a performance improvements. real-world, where packagers have to cope with incapable cpus
[06:33] <Daviey> and again.. i'm yet to see performace boost using i686 optimisation compared to i386
[06:34] <Daviey> laga: but VIA != i386
[06:35] <laga> Daviey: talk for yourself then. in theearly days of ATSC/HD in the US, people had clear improvements between an unoptimized build and an optimized one to the extend where they could actually watch HD, whereas without optimiztations they couldn't
[06:35] <laga> but hey, it's OK. keep compiling your multimedia apps without SSE support, stay straight with i386 and let nthe other people use their computers :)
[06:36] <Daviey> laga: go and head over to #gentoo, reckon you'll feel at home there
[06:36] <laga> rotfl ;)
[06:38] <laga> my point is: 64 bit yields a performance improvement in real-world applications. i'd bet that mythtv/ffmpeg on 64bit is faster than on 32bit, just because the 64bit builds can use more optimiztations like CMOV without pissing off people who use shitty hardware.
[06:38] <laga> *shrug+
[06:39] <tgm4883> ah, found it
[06:40] <tgm4883> now it is contested a little bit, but i'll post it anyway
[06:40] <tgm4883> Well, kinda. Actually, for almost all architectures 64bit code is slower than 32bit code. It's only because the 32 bit x86 (IA32) architecture has some glaring faults which are rectified in x86-64 that 64bit x86 code runs faster than 32bit x86 code.
[06:40] <tgm4883> This is why Debian is (slowly) working towards multiarch. If the world contained only x86 processors, they probably wouldn't bother - there's no (significant) downside to x86-64 code. Other architectures (PPC, etc) really want to use 32bit code where possible and have 64bit code only for programs which need a 64bit address space.
[06:40] <tgm4883> __________________
[06:40] <tgm4883> ^^^ from RAOF
[06:40] <laga> what's RAOF?
[06:40] <tgm4883> some Ubuntu Developer
[06:40] <laga> heh
[06:42] <tgm4883> of course, no one has touched multiarch in 18 months so...
[06:43] <tgm4883> eh, i blame foxbuntu
[06:43] <laga> you can do very limited multilib stuff in ubuntu
[06:43] <laga> good enough to get zsnes up and running ;)
[06:44] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, you always blame me
[06:44] <foxbuntu> nothing new here
[06:44] <tgm4883> thats cause it's always you fault ;)
[06:47] <Daviey> I blame foxbuntu
[06:56] <Daviey> foxbuntu: sounds about right
[06:56] <troy_s> greets all.
[06:56] <Daviey> foxbuntu: shouldn't be jealous... you aint _too_ bad
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> hi troy_s
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> $hello
[06:59] <mythbot> Welcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv.  Please state your question or comment.
[06:59] <tgm4883_laptop> hey, mythbot still works
[06:59] <troy_s> tgm4883_laptop: is that for me?  Lol.
[06:59] <tgm4883_laptop> well the hi was
[06:59] <troy_s> lol
[06:59] <troy_s> greets back.
[06:59] <tgm4883_laptop> then i was wondering if mythbot was still here
[07:35] <bendailey> tgm4883: sorry my latop froze
[07:35] <tgm4883> thats no fun
[07:35] <bendailey> yep :(
[07:36] <tgm4883> do you know the answer to the question i just sent the ML?
[07:36] <tgm4883> i was going to put it in the email to my mirror, but wasn't too sure about it
[07:36] <bendailey> tgm4883: you can tell they are symlinks if you got to the site via ftp
[07:37] <bendailey> tgm4883: it will on delete what is deleted from the master rsync source
[07:37] <tgm4883> thats what the delete function does?
[07:37] <tgm4883> or does it do that anyway
[07:37] <bendailey> yep by default rsync only keeps change and new adds in sync
[07:37] <tgm4883> ok so we need the --delete thing
[07:38] <bendailey> with the delete option it also removes files from the client that have been removed from the mirror
[07:38] <bendailey> yes having the delete option is a good idea
[07:39] <bendailey> assuming things don't get removed prematurely on the master
[07:41] <tgm4883> bendailey sec
[07:41] <tgm4883> !pastebin
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[07:41] <tgm4883> bendailey, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40284/
[07:41] <tgm4883> i just realized i missed that part of his email
[07:41] <hendrixski> ah crap.... what was the apt-get command to install all the dev packages needed to build a certain package?
[07:41] <tgm4883> do we still need to know about the vhost situation?
[07:42] <tgm4883> hendrixski, are you using pbuilder?
[07:42] <hendrixski> tgm4883, nah, dpkg-buildpackage
[07:43] <hendrixski> I know I should be doing it in pbuilder so as not to litter my computer with all those dev packages... but... meh, it's worked before without
[07:45] <hendrixski> oooh, apt-get build-dep  that was the one... nevermind
[07:51] <bendailey> tgm4883: if they will do a vhost for the mythbuntu.org dns that would be great but it is not a big deal
[07:52] <tgm4883> whats the cname point to?
[07:53] <bendailey> tgm4883: ftp-osl.osuosl.org
[07:55] <bendailey> tgm4883: anymore questions?
[07:56] <tgm4883> nope, just sent the email
[07:57] <bendailey> tgm4883: great thanks
[07:58] <bendailey> let me know about the vhost and then I will get them put into the rotation
[07:58] <tgm4883> k
[07:58] <bendailey> tgm4883: should someone send the the ML about the naming convention to drop the date and mimic ubuntu releases?
[07:59] <tgm4883> yea go ahead and i will reply to it
[07:59] <bendailey> ok great
[08:01] <Daviey> bendailey: we are already dropping the date, are we not?
[08:01] <bendailey> Daviey: I don't know had that been decide somewhere already?
[08:01] <tgm4883> Daviey, unless that was recently decided, not that i know of
[08:01] <bendailey> I know we decided to drop ~ (tilde)
[08:01] <Daviey> current file name = mythbuntu-7.10-rc-amd64.iso
[08:02] <tgm4883> interesting
[08:02] <bendailey> Daviey: great
[08:02] <tgm4883> shouldn't it be rc1
[08:02] <Daviey> i said that, superm1 said - well we are only having one rc - so no need
[08:02] <tgm4883> well if we are only having 1 rc, then why not call it release
[08:02] <Daviey> heh
[08:03] <tgm4883> if there is only 1 canidate, then there is only one answer
[08:03] <Daviey> I think it is good that we are looking to announce RC before Ubuntu does
[08:03] <bendailey> next time are we going to start with mythbuntu-8.04-tribe1 then progress to mythbuntu-8.04-beta to mythbuntu-8.04-rc ?
[08:03] <Daviey> o_O
[08:03] <tgm4883> Daviey, when are we announcing?
[08:04] <Daviey> dunno..  we used dates initally as we were building too often
[08:04] <bendailey> tomorrow I think
[08:04] <tgm4883> um
[08:04] <tgm4883> Ubuntu RC is due today
[08:04] <Daviey> Proper alphas with no date could be good
[08:04] <Daviey> rather than 'Tribe' i suggest 'Channel' :)
[08:04] <Daviey> Channel 1, 2 etc
[08:05] <bendailey> I think dates are great for daily builds but for the release that get listed on the webpage I think we should not uses dates
[08:05] <Daviey> +1
[08:05] <bendailey> is +1 a vote?
[08:05] <tgm4883> +2
[08:05] <Daviey> Well.. saying i agree
[08:05] <tgm4883> and i agree twice
[08:06] <bendailey> ok understand thanks still learning lingo
[08:06] <tgm4883> since im american and fatter i get 2 votes
[08:06] <Daviey> yes!
[08:06] <Daviey> Shall we move this to -dev?
[08:46] <yotux> has anyone here used commandIR hardware?
[10:51] <laga> either the last update borked autologin or i have been smoking crack
[10:51] <therethinker> ..or all of the above!
[11:05] <MitoTranin> laga: is that in the last system updates, or in the new rc ?
[11:06] <MitoTranin> I don't have the new rc installed yet, but my system is up to date as of last night and the autologin still works fine
[11:29] <tgm4883> anyone have a gutsy VM that they can test something for me?
[11:38] <greener-uw> Quick question I am on page 41 of Stweart Smith's book Practical Myth TV, so far so good,I am installing an IVTV Capture card. Can someone answer a quick question for me?
[11:41] <laga> MitoTranin: last system update. and i just had to re-enable it. maybe it was the crack pipe
[11:42] <laga> !ask greener-uw
[11:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask greener-uw - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:42] <laga> oops ;)
[11:42] <laga> greener-uw: just ask
[11:44] <greener-uw> Ok here goes..on page 41 it has you make some changes to the Makefile in /usr/src/linux then you cp /boot/config-2.6.15-29-386 /usr/src/linux/.config and type make oldconfig, however when I do that it says -su: make: command not found. I am not sure why make wont work, I am thinking there is maybe a typo in the book, any thoughts?
[11:49] <laga> greener-uw: that's because that book is outdated. in feisty and later, ivtv is already included AFAIK.
[11:49] <laga> gotta go.
[12:02] <DaveMorris> greener-uw: also you prob don't have make installed.  You'll need to install the package 'make' e.g. sudo apt-get install make
[12:23] <Daviey> DaveMorris: thought this might be of interest - http://www.saverstore.com/productinfo/product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=20015269&pid=10&tid=68
[12:28] <greener-uw> Thanks Dave for your input YOu are correct, I didnt have make loaded, I went ahead and tried make oldconfig and it spit out some errors, I followed all the directions correctly but it appears that there is some missing files, I pasted the output below, Why do you think the kernal source wont complie?  Thanks
[12:28] <greener-uw> root@myth-desktop:/usr/src/linux# make
[12:28] <greener-uw>   CHK     include/linux/version.h
[12:28] <greener-uw>   UPD     include/linux/version.h
[12:28] <greener-uw>   SYMLINK include/asm -> include/asm-i386
[12:28] <greener-uw>   HOSTCC  scripts/basic/fixdep
[12:28] <greener-uw> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:105:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
[12:28] <greener-uw> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:106:22: error: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory
[12:28] <greener-uw> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:107:22: error: sys/mman.h: No such file or directory
[12:28] <greener-uw> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:108:20: error: unistd.h: No such file or directory
[12:28] <greener-uw> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:109:19: error: fcntl.h: No such file or directory
[12:28] <greener-uw> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:110:20: error: string.h: No such file or directory
[12:28] <greener-uw> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:111:20: error: stdlib.h: No such file or directory
[12:28] <greener-uw> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:112:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory
[12:28] <greener-uw> In file included from /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/include/syslimits.h:7,
[12:28] <greener-uw>                  from /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/include/limits.h:11,
[12:28] <greener-uw>                  from scripts/basic/fixdep.c:113:
[12:28] <tgm4883> !pastebin
[12:28] <greener-uw> /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/include/limits.h:122:61: error: limits.h: No such file or directory
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[12:28] <greener-uw> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:114:19: error: ctype.h: No such file or directory
[12:29] <greener-uw> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:115:23: error: arpa/inet.h: No such file or directory
[12:29] <greener-uw> scripts/basic/fixdep.c: In function usage:
[12:29] <greener-uw> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:129: warning: implicit declaration of function fprintf
[12:29] <DaveMorris> looks like you need the dev versions of various packages installing
[12:29] <greener-uw> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:129: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function fprintf
[12:29] <greener-uw> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:129: error: stderr undeclared (first use in this function)
[12:29] <greener-uw> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:129: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
[12:29] <tgm4883> !pastebin | greener-uw
[12:29] <ubotu> greener-uw: please see above
[12:29] <DaveMorris> please stop copy ing and pasting
[12:29] <greener-uw> sorry
[12:30] <DaveMorris> yeah, you need the dev packages which contain the various header files
[12:31] <DaveMorris> linux-libc-dev and prob some others
[12:32] <DaveMorris> Daviey: the thing I'm suspicious of is, that some of them have vga/component on the same AV number, and I want them on seperate chanels
[12:32] <DaveMorris> since eveything else will connect via my amp via component, but my myth frontend will be vga
[12:32] <Daviey> yeah.. good point
[12:32] <Daviey> tis the trouble with unknown brands
[12:33] <DaveMorris> I'll buy a mini-itx board with component out next time, then it'll fit in fine with my cinema amp
[12:33] <Daviey> still a good price for 37"
[12:33] <Daviey> component?!
[12:33] <DaveMorris> it all works fine atm through composite video
[12:34] <Daviey> DVI/HDMI!
[12:34] <DaveMorris> well my Wii, DVD player can do component, I don't have any dvi/hdmi equipment
[12:34] <DaveMorris> besides, the boards with component also have hdmi/dvi
[12:37] <DaveMorris> anyone got a link for creating a team on launchpad?
[12:37] <Daviey> launchpad.net
[12:37] <DaveMorris> haha
[12:38] <Daviey> https://edge.launchpad.net/people/+newteam
[12:38] <DaveMorris> I can never navigate myself around