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LjLPhotocopy: do you think we should accept questions about Windows? Mac OS? refrigerators? cars?01:20
PhotocopySurely as an op there are rules YOU follow to keep in your position right?01:20
LjL#ubuntu is an Ubuntu support channel, as the name says01:20
LjLand there's more than 1000 people in there01:20
LjLand we have enough trouble with Ubuntu-related questions *alone*01:20
PhotocopyDo the rules say "Dont help anyone not using ubuntu without a place to go?01:20
LjLso, NO, we can't take Slax questions. period.01:20
LjL!offtopic | Photocopy, yes01:21
ubotuPhotocopy, yes: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!01:21
Photocopylisten LjL01:21
Photocopyare you paid to be here?01:21
LjLbesides, it's hardly your business01:21
PhotocopyThen you dont have trouble with ubuntu questions cause you don't have to be here so clearly as a voluntary act its no trouble.01:21
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LjLeh no he won't get away with it that easily01:22
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LjLPhotocopy: i'm sorry, but i'm not satisfied by a bold statement and a "bye"... can you stick to Ubuntu questions *only* in the future?01:23
LjLbecause if you cannot, then i cannot unmute you.01:23
LjLyou're perfectly free to ask about Slax in #ubuntu-offtopic, if you want.01:24
mneptokPhotocopy: you appear to have found ##slax01:28
LjLPhotocopy: an answer to that simple question please?01:28
Photocopyi didnt read it 01:28
mneptokPhotocopy: that's the correct venue for your questions01:28
Photocopyhere ill do it now01:28
Photocopymneptok itll also be unanswered there.01:28
mneptokPhotocopy: that's not a problem the Ubuntu community needs to love for you, though.01:29
Photocopywell LjL, I don't run a computer with ubuntu atm anyway, annd itll be 6-10 weeks for shipit01:29
Photocopyso i could say no anyway01:29
LjLPhotocopy: say what you prefer to say, as long as a "yes" means you *will* actually stick to Ubuntu questions and answers only.01:30
Photocopybut whatever, i wont be "offtopic" in #ubuntu thoough nobody ever cared anytime before.01:30
Photocopybeen like 5 minutes01:30
Photocopyno answer in ##slax.01:30
Photocopysee why i dont wanna ask there?01:31
Photocopyomfg an answer01:31
LjLPhotocopy: i'm unmuting you. please stick to !guidelines, !coc and everything in !etiquette is you want to stay in the channel.01:32
ubotuUnsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)01:32
mneptokPhotocopy: "i don't wanna" is not a valid reason to ignore the rules of the Ubuntu community01:33
Photocopyim done in here thanks.01:33
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mneptokwhat a charmer01:33
LjLi doubt he'll last very long in #Ubuntu, either way01:34
ubotuIn #ubuntuforums-beginners, runemaste644 said: !runemaste644 is <reply>Runemaste644 is cool01:47
LjL!no botabuse is <reply> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...01:50
ubotuI'll remember that LjL01:50
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Jucatonalioth: are you around again? :(03:48
Jucatonalioth: sorry for that again :(03:51
naliothno problem, that is a serial spammer (always the same MO, userinfo, etc)03:51
Jucato2nd time this week, I'll try to take it up w/ the #kde folks once and for all03:51
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tonyyarussonalioth: Do you know anything about a release roadmap for E17?05:03
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robtonyyarusso, about the same time Duke Nukem Forever will be released05:07
Tm_Thumm, snow coming05:11
tonyyarussoreally?  Where are you again Tm_T ?05:12
naliothtonyyarusso: it's slowly riding down the shoulder05:13
tonyyarussonalioth: So would it be wise of me not to even begin getting hopes up for Hardy?05:13
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naliothtonyyarusso: why not do it yourself?05:14
=== nalioth can help you
tonyyarussonalioth: I have it installed - you already helped me do that.  I just want it final and in the repos for everyone else.05:15
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Jucatothat's clean? hahah :)05:22
naliothit's vulgar, but it's clean05:25
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: lukin(i think thats him) has E17 repos and afaik when we get the ok i thought i remember him saying he will do it (this was after being yelled at for building it myself)05:30
gnomefreakand no im not awake ;)05:30
tonyyarussognomefreak: interesting.05:30
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naliothgnomefreak: i use get_e.sh05:31
gnomefreaki grabbed his sources since they were ~30 days old i figured it was abandoned :(05:32
gnomefreaki had issues with that script during edgy maybe early feisty05:32
jribhave you tried tritium?05:34
jribpython clone of ion05:35
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gnomefreakis it as light as say flux?05:37
jribnever measured memory usage05:37
jribi need to work out the kinks still05:38
gnomefreakboy that looks light05:38
gnomefreaki cant believe its only 1 .deb05:39
Tm_Ttonyyarusso: http://www.fmi.fi/weather/local.html?kunta=Joensuu05:40
tonyyarussoTm_T: not bad05:41
Tm_Tcold, but ok05:41
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gnomefreakhello ;)05:47
gnomefreaksomeone should update this for python2.505:47
gnomefreakjrib: where did you get python-plwm from? its not in repos05:51
jribgnomefreak: sourceforge (link in the readme or install)05:52
gnomefreakah ok05:52
jribbuild from cvs05:53
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wiiim i good to go?05:57
gnomefreakhow the hell do you run it without running from term05:57
gnomefreakwii: you were just here 2 days ago and we said it would stay for a while05:59
Madpilotwii, continual ban evasion means the bans get extended. Funny how that works.06:00
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gnomefreakwii: come back in 7-10 days and we will see what happens between now and than. if you evade the ban than its likely to not get lifted06:01
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gnomefreakits kind of hard to build it from cvs when you dont have a password :( connecting using anonymous i thought would have done exactly that06:05
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tritiumgnomefreak: I'm glad you haven't tried me06:45
Hobbseeanyone know if elky's already speaking at LCA?06:45
tritiumHi Hobbsee06:47
naliothLong Crustacean Association07:12
gnomefreaktritium: :)07:24
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stdinargg, why do people suck?!07:39
gnomefreakbecause they were raised that way?07:40
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gnomefreakstdin: what file controls the WM choices in gdm/kdm?07:43
Jucato /usr/share/xsessions/ ?07:44
stdinerm, /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager 07:44
Jucatohm.. I though the ones in the Sessions menu sorry07:44
stdinbut I know some (like KDE) have other settings for it too07:44
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stdinkde has a env-var and a default in /usr/bin/startkde07:45
Tm_Tok, time to go to wild & cold outdoors ->07:45
stdinno clue about gnome tho07:45
gnomefreakif i can figure out why cvs is hating me maybe i can build it and add an entry07:45
JucatoTm_T: thanks for the assist07:45
stdingnomefreak: WM or DE ?07:46
gnomefreakstdin: WM07:46
Jucatostdin: doesn't that control the default WM that X uses when you do startx?07:46
stdingnomefreak: then I *think* that alternate file is it07:46
stdinJucato: not really sure07:47
gnomefreakstdin: the problem with alternatives is i woul dhave to keep changing it if i wanted to use another07:47
Jucatognomefreak: are you referring to the list of WM's in the Session menu in gdm/kdm?07:49
gnomefreakJucato: yes07:49
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JucatoI see gnome.desktop  there in Ubuntu, and kde.desktop in Kubuntu07:50
gnomefreakif i drop to tty and kill gdm running tritium from tty gives traceback so maybe i should figure out cvs and why its not working and just build it07:50
stdingnomefreak: seems gnome-session looks for a var called WINDOW_MANAGER, so you could just make a script and set WINDOW_MANAGER to whatever then call gnome-session, then make a .desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions for it07:51
gnomefreakJucato: yeah i found that but im thinking of building it and maybe add that option in build07:51
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Tm_Thi kids11:08
Mezhowdy ho Tm_T 11:09
Tm_TMez and his evil awaynick :p11:10
Mezmeh - there's nothing wrong with my awaynick11:10
MezIt's only away when either my PC at home or at work is not on11:11
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Tm_TMez: thats how often?11:25
Mezbout once or twice a day11:25
Mez(on my way to work, and on way home from work)11:25
Tm_Thmm, reasonable11:25
Tm_Tcan I ask why /away isnt enough, Mez?11:26
Tm_Twelcome Seeker` how we can help you?11:27
Seeker`I was just wondering what Mez does once or twice a day11:34
MezTm_T, cause I should really use Mez|NotHere11:35
Mezand it's so it doesnt log op highlights when I'm "away211:35
Tm_TMez: ?11:37
MezTm_T, if I stay as "Mez" when I disconnect, it'll log any !ops hilights and send them to me when I reconnect11:38
Mezif I'm Mez|Away !ops wont hilight me11:38
Meztherefore I wont see them, however, if someone legitimately highlights me - they'll use Mez|Away - which will get logged11:38
naliothget a rope.11:50
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PriceChild*has internets*12:36
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AmaranthWho the hell is penguincentral?02:06
PiciJust some guy.02:07
AmaranthI was close to banning him the other day too02:09
PiciWhats the limit to the number of bans a channel can have? I only see 43 in -offtopic02:13
Mezdepends on whehter ther channel is set _L02:14
Mez+L *02:14
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PiciSeveas: Aoirthoir (groan) made a (commented) change to the ircguidelines page...02:28
jdongwhy are people other than the IRC Council allowed to edit the polcy page?02:38
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HobbseeSeveas: ping03:14
Tm_THobbsee: pong03:15
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PriceChildjdong, well they shouldn't... and it asks them not to iirc04:31
Tm_Twho is this Aoirthoir guy anyway?04:38
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HobbseeTm_T: a moron04:38
Tm_THobbsee: I'm not!04:38
PiciHobbsee: I mentioned it before you joined, but Aoirthoir wrote a long (commented) reply to seveas's change to the ircguidelines04:39
PriceChildHobbsee, :)04:47
PriceChild*wonders whether to use opendns*04:48
maxamillionPriceChild: i use it ... its a little slow at times, but its uptime is almost 100%04:48
maxamillioni have no complaints04:49
maxamillion::knocks on wood::04:49
PiciIts uptime is better than my IPS's dns servers.04:49
PriceChildI use it at home instead of the cheapo isp I use...04:49
jribregardless of who is making the changes, some of the changes Aoirthoir suggests make sense04:49
PriceChildWill consult others on this isp I think.04:49
PriceChildhas aorithoir even tried to come in here to discuss it/added something to the irccouncil agenda?04:51
PriceChildOr is he just editing wiki pages?04:51
PiciNot that I've seen.04:51
mc44jrib: a small percentage ;)04:51
PriceChildI haven't seen any emails to the ubuntu-irc or irc council lists either..04:51
PiciIs the irc-council an open list?04:52
PiciOh well04:52
PriceChildbut anyone can send to it in confidence04:52
PriceChildits not publically archived etc.04:52
PriceChild*runs to supervision meeting*04:52
ubotuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: October 11 2007, 14:53:07 - Current meeting: Community Development Team 04:53
mc44could someone add a factiod for http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist05:25
Picisearch blacklist05:28
Pici!search blacklist05:28
ubotuFound: blacklist, modules05:28
PiciAmaranth: ping05:31
AmaranthPici: what's up?05:32
PiciDid you make a copy of the c-f blacklist and put it on the ubuntu wiki?05:32
AmaranthJust tell them their hardware is blacklisted05:33
AmaranthDon't really need to explain why05:33
PiciI'll just put the cards blacklisted in the factoid.05:33
AmaranthIt's expanded05:34
PiciI just dont want to link to something on the compiz-wiki that might change after we release.05:34
AmaranthAnd the added ones are not on the wiki afaik05:34
AmaranthThe mobility variants of the Radeon X300, X600, and X700 are blacklisted too05:35
Tm_TI just love my new quote05:36
PriceChildAmaranth, is it a blacklist... or do you work on a whitelist?05:42
AmaranthPriceChild: whitelist of drivers, blacklist of pciids05:42
AmaranthUsed to be blacklist of both but we ended up blacklisting everything except 3 drivers so it made more sense to have a whitelist05:43
Picicfblacklist is <reply> The following cards are blacklisted in Compiz-Fusion due to stability & compatibility issues: Intel 965. ATI: Rs480, Rv350. ATI Mobility: x300, x600, x700. 05:46
ubotuThe following cards are blacklisted in Compiz-Fusion due to stability & compatibility issues: Intel 965. ATI: Rs480, Rv350. ATI Mobility: x300, x600, x700.05:46
PiciThat probably a good start.05:46
mc44Pici: still could put the link to the compiz fusion wiki to show how to get around it05:56
PiciI think we'll need a good caveat for that though05:57
mc44how about DONT DO THIS:05:57
mc44that should stop people ;)05:57
PiciThen everyone will do it.05:58
mc44yes indeed05:58
PriceChild*wonders if his /topic in +1 is still there*06:01
PiciWhich one?06:02
Pici'dont run Gutsy?'06:02
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PriceChildPici, yeah that one... and it was HUGE so i chopped lots of random "common sense" stuff out06:06
PiciPriceChild: It was there for a while, but we did get a lot of random people coming in asking why they shouldn't use it.06:06
PriceChildWhy do people read topics when I put something like that in...06:07
mc44should put "DONT READ THE TOPIC" into the topic06:07
PriceChildBut if we say "update-manager is broken... fixed packages in, wait" they immediately ask if anyone else is having problems with update-manager06:07
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gnomefreakupdate-manager is only broken if you have unofficial packkages installed ;)06:19
ubotuMilhousePunkRock called the ops in #kubuntu06:26
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Hobbseegnomefreak: it's somewhat amusing watching them wait for the rc.06:36
gnomefreakit is?06:36
Hobbseebesides it stops them asking AWTY all the time.06:36
Hobbseewhich is a good idea, in general.06:36
gnomefreaki find it annoying that they are not smart enough to use daily06:36
Hobbseedailies are often broken.06:36
gnomefreaktell them it will be released midnight ESTt ime06:36
gnomefreakEST time06:37
Hobbseei find it annoying that they dont get that if they're doing the updates they're already running the RC.06:37
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gnomefreakthat too06:37
gnomefreakwell that would be 5am UTC time06:37
gnomefreakgrrrrrr how does debian do this 06:38
DavieyGeez, i aint getting up that early to dl it.. i need an rss feed06:38
HobbseeDaviey: if you want to download it, go to the testing tracker, and download it now before it's announced.06:38
gnomefreakDaviey: give it more like 2-4 hours it should be released around than afaik06:38
Hobbsee*those* sorts of idiotic comments are teh ones that annoy me06:39
Hobbseedo you *really* think we'd respin the iso's again, after large amounts of testing?06:39
Davieygnomefreak: but i need to hammer the mirrors as soon as it comes out :D06:39
HobbseeDaviey: now that's just sheep-like.06:40
gnomefreakits a bad excuse and i think we should hold it back a day just to piss people off06:40
Hobbseegnomefreak: i'd prefer to do that for the final :P06:40
gnomefreakyes 06:40
gnomefreaka few days to a week :)06:40
Hobbseewhat i'd *like* to do is to release it to the torrents first for 12+ hours06:41
Hobbseeor partly on irc first, to get people seeding06:41
gnomefreakdid colin ever get cryptset set up for installer/06:41
Hobbseeand then later release the http version06:41
Hobbseeunsure, didnt look06:41
DavieyThink so06:41
gnomefreakif not we might be releasing late06:41
DavieyI saw the option..06:41
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gnomefreakbrb lets see if i fixed it06:42
Davieysurely he could ofjust ran ubiquity?06:42
Davieyah well06:42
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jussi01hmmm, so no one liked my lug factoid yesterday?06:56
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about lug - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:56
gnomefreakjussi01: didnt see it06:57
ubotuIn ubotu, jussi01 said: !lug is <reply>LUG's are Linux User Groups. You can find your local group here: http://www.linux.org/groups/06:57
gnomefreaki thought there was one but i like it06:58
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about lug - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:58
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about lugs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:58
gnomefreak!lug is <reply> Lug's are Linux User Groups. You cant find your local group here: http://www.linux.org/groups/06:59
ubotuI'll remember that, gnomefreak06:59
PriceChildgnomefreak, what's the ~ do?06:59
gnomefreakdamn bots06:59
PriceChilddo you mean - ?07:00
gnomefreakoh yeah07:00
ubotuHelp! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici07:00
ubotugnomefreak called the ops in #ubuntu-ops07:00
gnomefreakno it didnt07:00
gnomefreakignore it07:00
PriceChild(and ubotu would have complained anyway if there was a forgotten one)07:00
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ubotuops aliases: kops, op, medic, calltheops, call the ops - added by Seveas on 2006-07-29 12:54:1207:00
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ubotuleave the ops alone ktnxbye07:01
gnomefreakstop that07:01
PriceChildMez, shouldn't that be "Do not abuse !~ops" ? :P07:01
Amaranththose aliases are weird07:01
MezPriceChild,  :P07:01
ubotumedic is <alias> ops - added by Seveas on 2006-12-27 15:16:0107:01
Amaranthand why the hell does !~ops even work?07:01
PiciI believe it ignores special symbols except thed ash07:01
PriceChildI guess ubotu strips characters before interpreting it.07:01
ubotuPlease watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.07:02
ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects07:02
gnomefreakAmaranth: because the ~ instead of - and normally ubotu doesnt care what is between ! bleh07:02
Pici!                                                                     test07:02
gnomefreakAmaranth:  i forgot it was - 07:02
Pici!                                                                     botsnack07:02
ubotuYum! Err, I mean, APT!07:02
Piciokay, I'm done07:02
gnomefreaknow my channels are messed up :(07:02
Amaranth/win move ?07:03
gnomefreak /win 10 is no longer -ops07:03
Pici7 is -ops for me07:03
gnomefreakbrb have to reset this07:03
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Amaranthwould be 17 based on the order i have in xchat07:04
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gnomefreakjrib: when you get time, let me know how you run tritium (sign in from gdm, use menu?) i have it installed and built and i would rather not have to do anymore liniking than possible07:07
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naliothget a rope.07:13
PriceChild*is smiling*07:28
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gnomefreakim gone for a while before i get pissed off07:32
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ubotuGutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at  http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+108:46
PriceChildanyone wanna take care of !rc? ;)08:49
PiciI'm doing it08:49
ubotuGutsy Gibbon (7.10) *RC* information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - This is development software and as such unstable, support *ONLY* in #ubuntu+108:50
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jussi01stdin: wtf?09:41
stdinjussi01: was talking to him, not you :)09:41
jussi01stdin: yeah, I know :) Just was wtf'ing about him...09:42
stdinyeah, I don't know. but i'm keeping an eye on him09:42
jussi01stdin: thanks.... you try to help someone and....09:43
stdinyeah, some people are (insert words I can't say here)09:43
jussi01lol... very true09:43
gnomefreakmore trolls?09:44
stdinjust someone with a bad attitude09:44
stdinseems to have shut up now tho09:44
jpatrickthey'll be back...09:45
jussi01someone who was just itching for a fight...09:45
gnomefreakdamn i just got here and your already talking about me ;)09:45
gnomefreakthats odd09:47
gnomefreakok thats fixed09:48
jussi01gnomefreak: ??09:48
gnomefreakeh one of the mailing lists i thought i was subcribed to seemed i wasnt but i was getting email from it09:49
gnomefreakcaveats == bugs?09:49
jussi01hmmm... maybe... ;)09:50
gnomefreakmaybe closer to warning?09:50
gnomefreakdictionary not much help09:51
gnomefreak 3. Intimation of caution; warning; protest.09:51
tonyyarussognomefreak: caveats == "things to be aware of"09:51
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: ty09:51
tonyyarussopossibly bad things, but won't necessarily affect you09:51
gnomefreakits on the RC page and ive never seen the word before09:52
mc44caveat emptor09:52
gnomefreaktalking about bugs and such09:52
jussi01according to google... caveats=Conditions attached to an insurance quotation.09:52
tonyyarussowhat mc44 said09:52
tonyyarusso"let the buyer beware"09:52
mc44caveat is quite a common word...09:52
gnomefreakthey added dynticks :)09:53
gnomefreakcommon word in what country?09:54
gnomefreaki cant remember ever hearing it in US in last 31 years09:54
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tonyyarussognomefreak just lives in a cave09:57
tonyyarussoOr the south perhaps09:57
gnomefreakyep now adays i do 09:57
mc44don't use them fancy words down here, y'all10:01
=== gnomefreak not from south just living here and hate it
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PriceChildHey coreymon77, can we help?10:42
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gnomefreaksomeone please shoot me10:57
PriceChildgnomefreak, hmm?10:59
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robalso manly :)11:07
gnomefreakim not clicking anymore damn links11:07
gnomefreakone youtube just froze me up :(11:08
gnomefreakok lets try this again11:11
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gnomefreakrob: can i have that link again please11:29
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