[12:29] <soren> The livecd should have lvm and also be able to mount any partitions using it.
[12:30] <soren> It will not, however, be able to access the encrypted lvm partitions without you entering the appropriate password.
[12:32] <soren> sommer: You are prompted for a password when you boot, right?
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[12:42] <mathiaz> soren: do you have access to a non-ubuntu linux machine ?
[12:43] <soren> mathiaz: On actual hardware?
[12:43] <mathiaz> soren: I'm trying to confirm bug 151273
[12:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151273 in php5 "Interactive mode doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151273
[12:43] <mathiaz> soren: no.
[12:44] <soren> Ah. it's probably because we don't build against libreadline, because Richard Stallman says we can't.
[12:44] <soren> Just a guess, though.
[12:44] <mathiaz> soren: could you check if php -a works as described in the bug on a non-ubuntu system ?
[12:45] <soren> mathiaz: The non-ubuntu system I have is Debian :)
[12:45] <soren> mathiaz: It's unlikely to be any different at all.
[12:45] <mathiaz> soren: yeah... That doesn't help then.
[12:45] <mathiaz> soren: thanks.. I'll try to find a redhat box then.
[12:46] <ajmitch> shame, I only have ubuntu or debian boxes as well :)
[12:49] <soren> mathiaz: It works as expected, though.
[12:49] <soren> php5 -a
[12:49] <soren> <? echo 'it works!'; ?>
[12:49] <soren> it works!
[12:50] <soren> ctrl-d
[12:50] <soren> Yay.
[12:50] <soren> It just doesn't show the prompt, which is to be expected as we don't build against libreadline.
[12:50] <mathiaz> hum... shouldn't it be:
[12:50] <mathiaz> php5 -a
[12:50] <mathiaz> echo 'it works';
[12:50] <soren> No, apparantly not.
[12:51] <mathiaz> soren: ah ok, then.
[12:51] <ajmitch> no, php is extra special like that
[12:51] <soren> the point is that you're supposed to be able to execute complete snippets of php code and in order to do that it has to have the same semantics w.r.t. context and such.
[12:51] <ajmitch> being a glorified template language
[12:52] <soren> mathiaz: the interactive mode is ridiculously poorly documented.
[12:52] <mathiaz> soren: ok. Thanks. I'll mark the bug as invalid then.
[12:52] <ajmitch> probably because noone uses it?
[12:52] <soren> mathiaz: The docs just explain that it exists.
[12:52] <soren> ajmitch: Yeah.
[12:52] <ajmitch> compared to python, which had a semi-decent interactive mode from the start
[12:52] <ajmitch> different origins
[12:53] <mathiaz> soren: yes. There is a small paragraph in the man page.
[12:53] <soren> mathiaz: Yeah. "do this if you want interactive mode" :)
[12:54] <soren> mathiaz: You could turn it into a documentation bug, really.
[12:54] <mathiaz> soren: what would you add to documentation ?
[12:54] <soren> mathiaz: The problem is divergence between expectation and actual results. I we can change people's expectations, there's no bug.
[12:55] <soren> mathiaz: "Due to incompatibily between PHP's license and the license of libreadline, Ubuntu's php does not have readline support. As such, you will not see a prompt."
[12:56] <soren> "(Tip: To execute php code, don't forget to enclose it in <? ?> at you normally would)"
[12:56] <soren> Or something to that effect.
[12:56] <mathiaz> soren: I see your point.
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[01:47] <nijaba> arrghhhh: cryptsetup is still missing in the latest server build...
[01:49] <mathiaz> nijaba: are you using the latest version of the iso ?
[01:49] <nijaba> yep
[01:49] <nijaba> hmmm let me double check
[01:49] <mathiaz> nijaba: could you double-check with the md5sums ?
[01:50] <mathiaz> nijaba: cryptsetup is on the isos according to the .list file
[01:53] <nijaba> mathiaz: ok let me re-download....  i386 is fine, but not amd64.  Something must have gone wrong in rsync
[01:55] <mathiaz> nijaba: rsyncing a second time may be faster then redownloading the image...
[01:55] <mathiaz> nijaba: and just check with md5sum that you get what you're supposed to
[01:55] <nijaba> mathiaz: 10m instead of 2....  at this point, I can wait
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[05:56] <kgoetz> anyone know apache+ldap? i authenticate successfully but cant get authorisation to view the page http://apache.pastebin.ca/732576
[05:58] <ScottK> kgoetz: You'll probably have more luck in 4 - 8 hours from now.
[05:59] <kgoetz> ScottK: thats when i finish work -> when i go to sleep. i'll keep hacking, see if i win :)
[05:59] <ScottK> OK.
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[07:08] <mikubuntu> question: i just was given an older amd duron computer, and i think i want to use it to install the server edition... is this what is referred to as 64bit architecture?  do i need to use that flavor, or how do i determine?
[07:09] <kgoetz> mikubuntu: iirc the duron is 32 bit
[07:10] <mikubuntu> kgoetz: what does iirc mean?
[07:10] <kgoetz> mikubuntu: if i remember correctly
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[07:11] <mikubuntu> ok, so i don't need to use that particular download of the server?  just the regular one?
[07:11] <kgoetz> you probably want the 32 bit server install cd
[07:12] <mikubuntu> kgoetz: is there some way for me to determine PRECISELY which?
[07:13] <kgoetz> mikubuntu: how precisely? i dont really understand what you mean
[07:14] <mikubuntu> i just want to get lamp server up on a machine to later transfer the finished website to a commercial server.
[07:14] <kgoetz> get the 32bit server install cd
[07:14] <mikubuntu> well, you said i 'probably' needed the 32bit, why i followed up the question... ok, thanks
[07:15] <mikubuntu> going to the downloads page ... brb
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[07:17] <mikubuntu> kgoetz:  ummmmm, download page doesn't mention 32bit, says: Ubuntu Server Edition supports x86, AMD64 and UltraSPARC T1 architectures.
[07:19] <kgoetz> mikubuntu: x86 (aka IA32) =32 bit, AMD64=64 bit
[07:21] <mikubuntu> aaaAAAAAHHHHHHHHAAAAAAaaaa.... i know that (now i do) :) thanks
[07:21] <kgoetz> hehe. np :)
[07:21] <mikubuntu> i go download now
[07:22] <mikubuntu> ummmmm,  one more question... do you recommend the LTS or the feisty server?
[07:23] <kgoetz> LTS on a production server, for 'just playing around' fesity is fine
[07:23] <kgoetz> whichever matches the commercial server best :)
[07:24] <kgoetz> becuae you want to devel on something as close as posable to what your finishing on
[07:24] <ScottK> Depends on if you need features in Feisty not in LTS.  Feisty server is plenty stable for me.
[07:26] <mikubuntu> ummmmm, so in my case, eeny meeny miny mo, cause i have no clue which will match the commercial server best ... the ecommerce i want to use is magento, which is new, and open source; and the presentation of its features attracts me.
[07:27] <mikubuntu> and then, if i'm not gnna go LTS, maybe i should wait a week for gutsy server?
[07:27] <mikubuntu> god, i hate decisions
[07:28] <kgoetz> or go gutsy server now
[07:28] <kgoetz> it wont stableise a whole lot ina  week :)
[07:28] <ScottK> mikubuntu: If you are just getting set up, get the Gutsy RC CDs that'll probably be released today and use those.  They should be VERY close to the final (and you'll be able to update to the final without reinstall).
[07:29] <ScottK> That or upgrades from Feisty are pretty painless for servers.  I did it already (just before beta) on my test server (mail server).
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[07:30] <ScottK> be/bed.  really needs to ...
[07:30] <kgoetz> lol. later mate
[07:32] <mikubuntu> thanks scott, nite
[07:33] <mikubuntu> ok, so i guess he means 'release candidate' gutsy or something, i'll go check it out ... thanks kgoetz
[07:33] <kgoetz> np
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[08:28] <jamisnemo> I'm not sure on how many people here can help me with Snort but I'll ask anyways...
[08:29] <jamisnemo> Should the default install of snort using "apt-get install snort" put an alert in /var/log/alert if I nmap it?
[08:36] <Burgundavia> I would try installing it
[08:38] <jamisnemo> I did but I don't know if it's working correctly
[08:38] <jamisnemo> i'll reinstall...
[08:40] <jamisnemo> it's catching outbound portscans (nmaping from the machine snort is running on) but not inbound
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[02:36] <piercleo> Hello, I am having a problem with SSH and it's really starting to anoy me (i've been on it for ages). Is it here that i can get help ?
[02:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can ask
[02:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> someone may or may not be able to help
[02:37] <piercleo> I posted my problem on the forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3514101#post3514101 (i tried to pu as much info as possible)
[02:37] <piercleo> to sum up the problem I can connect through ssh on local lan but not outside of lan
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> gateway problem?
[02:39] <piercleo> ha, one precision I should give, even though I take the time to read a lot on the forum and on the documentation site, I still am a newbie to linux and CPU's in general
[02:39] <piercleo> + i'm french
[02:39] <piercleo> so gateway ?
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[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> piercleo, btw. "computer" rather then "cpu" will probably stop some giggles :)
[02:42] <piercleo> OK i thought that's what people said in english :-)
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> btw all - when did ubuntu drop 'localhost.localdomain' from /etc/hosts, and would there be somewhere i can look for a rational?
[02:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> piercleo, in answer to your two asides on the page (question A+B): i dont know an ssh troubleshooting guide
[02:45] <piercleo> ok ty
[02:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> and regarding B: when you move off the default port of 22 99.9999999(etc) % of the automatic ssh spambots stop hitting your server
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> because they only check 22, and dont scan the hosts for ssh being moved
[02:46] <piercleo> ha, so it's a good thing to change then
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> pretty much :)
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> points 5+6 seem contrary - amusing. can you tell me about your network? give a little diagram to show how its layed out. eg:
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> [internet]  - [modem]  - [gateway]  - [server] 
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> ^^ thats part of my network btw ;)
[02:48] <piercleo> [desktop computer]  - [devolo CPL]  - [netgear router]  - [internet]  - [netgear router]  - [laptop computer] 
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> CPL?
[02:49] <piercleo> and i didn't understand your last sentence
[02:50] <piercleo> i think you call it dLan (it goes through the electricity and gives me Wifi)
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> what is 'devolo CPL'?
[02:50] <piercleo> (I meant  ^^ thats part of my network btw ;) when I said I didn't understand :-)
[02:51] <piercleo> here this is the devolo I have: http://www.devolo.com/co_EN_cs/produkte/dlan/dlanwirelessextsk.html
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, that diagram is a section of my network at home (eg it doesnt contain my desktop+laptop)
[02:51] <piercleo> ah, ok
[02:52] <piercleo> lol, i'm so lousy
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[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> piercleo, btw, do you know about #ubuntu-fr?
[02:53] <piercleo> yes but they haven't been of much help, and when I post on the english forum I always get a more precise help
[02:53] <piercleo> why, is my english too bad ? :-)
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol, no. just thought you might not know about it :)
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> my french is non existant ;)
[02:55] <piercleo> lol
[02:59] <piercleo> Hey Kamping, would the following be of any help: sshd_config ; ssh_config ; log of the router for this morning ?
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> piercleo, maybe. i'm not sure whats going to be in it ;). by the look of your network though, you might have to open the ocrrect port on the netgear and the CPL
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure though :)
[03:02] <piercleo> i opened the port on the netgear and there is no configuration settings of the cpl + doesn't the fact that I can connect in local show tht the port is OK ?
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can connect local? i missed that :|
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> piercleo, can you try and ssh in from the outside with -vv next time (very verbose)
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> and that will prboably help work out the problem
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. your not identified, or you could PM me your address, andi could try and ssh to it
[03:06] <piercleo> i can do it right now i'm at work. I was using the following command: ssh -X -C -c blowfish piercleo@dyndnsserver So i should try: ssh -X -C -c -vv  blowfish piercleo@dyndnsserver Is that correct ?
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> why -c blowfish?
[03:07] <piercleo> dunno, someone told me so when i asked the question in a forum
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, you should try -XCvv piercleo@dyndnsserver
[03:07] <piercleo> ok
[03:07] <piercleo> do you need me to send you my dyndnsserver ?
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, not if you can ssh in from work :)
[03:10] <piercleo> i get a lot of information, shall i post it here ?
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> make sure none of its private (IP address/password/etc) then pastebin it
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> !pastebin
[03:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:11] <piercleo> ty guys
[03:14] <piercleo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40252/
[03:15] <soren> hehh..
[03:16] <soren> something's forwarding your connections to a webserver.
[03:17] <piercleo> how can i identify where it comes from ?
[03:17] <piercleo> ubotu: reading the channels FAQ as we speak :-)
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> ahahaha. classic
[03:18] <piercleo> yeah, just read the message
[03:18] <piercleo> only a bot
[03:18] <piercleo> lol
[03:18] <piercleo> he i'm learning
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:19] <mralphabet> piercleo: which way are you trying to connect?  to your laptop or to your desktop?
[03:19] <soren> The problem is probably in your netgear router. It's forwarding your port 22 to a webserver somewhere rather than to your ssh server?
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> piercleo, sure the CPL thing has no configuration? :)
[03:20] <piercleo> No, on the port configuration I put in the ip of the desktop computer
[03:21] <piercleo> i can try to disconnect the cpl when i get home and try without it, if it works, than it's the cpl that is posng a problem
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> piercleo, does you rdesktop have a webserver running?
[03:21] <piercleo> how do i check this?
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> piercleo, try to run `telnet dyndnsserver 22`
[03:22] <piercleo> Kamping_Kaiser: i don't think so, unless i did something wrong
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[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> piercleo, ok. hit up telnet :)
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[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> you'll get this:
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> Escape character is '^] '.
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> type something (asdf) and the session should quit out
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> pastebin the output
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[03:24] <piercleo> Kamping_Kaiser: just to check i got it right: i type in the following command "telnet" from my laptop
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[03:24] <piercleo> i get a telnet prompt
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> did you run the whole command?  `telnet dyndnsserver 22`
[03:24] <piercleo> he he
[03:24] <piercleo> hold on
[03:26] <piercleo> yup, i get the escape character thing
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> type anyting (break for example)
[03:26] <piercleo> it says i am connected
[03:26] <piercleo> ok
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> once you tyupe something it will spit a bunch of html in your face (in theory)
[03:26] <piercleo> nope nothing happens so far
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> run ^] 
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> (control key+ ] 
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[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> piercleo, when you ssh to dnshost 22 do you get something like this:
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> Connected to localhost.
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> Escape character is '^] '.
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> yours would of course say Ubuntu :)
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[03:31] <piercleo> no i get: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[03:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> piercleo, can you pastebin what youve just done? i'm not sure whats going on atm
[03:33] <piercleo> i just typed ssh dyndnsserver 22
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> *telnet*
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> piercleo, just a tic, pastebining something
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> piercleo, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40255/
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> note how i telnet to the server (and after enough abuse it tells me stuff )
[03:39] <piercleo> i get this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40256/
[03:39] <piercleo> when i type in something nothing happens !
[03:40] <piercleo> oh wait something just happend
[03:40] <piercleo> i'll paste bin it
[03:40] <piercleo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40257/
[03:42] <piercleo> could the problem come from the settings that i put at dyndns.com
[03:42] <piercleo> ?
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'd be supprised, but its posable
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm a bit confused. its the same html output
[03:43] <piercleo> ok i'll pastebin the settings for you to see
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> remember to sanitise!
[03:46] <piercleo> sanitise ?
[03:47] <piercleo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40258/
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> remove all passwords/etc :)
[03:47] <piercleo> ah, I did :-)
[03:47] <piercleo> i hope
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> you did
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> shouldnt affect us.
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> grrr
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[03:50] <piercleo> someone just posted a reply on the forum where i posted my question. He identified an error in my auth.log (but i don't really understand what he is saying)
[03:51] <piercleo> the address again in case you don't have it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3514368#post3514368
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> i did wonder about the agent
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> piercleo, my advice is come here and ask again when you get home
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> get someone to help you disable the ssh agent
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm not sure it could be the problem  - the html output makes me think its not - but if it is theres an easy fix
[03:54] <piercleo> shall I post my sshd_config to the forum ?
[03:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> is it a default?
[03:55] <piercleo> yes
[03:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont bother
[03:55] <piercleo> the only thing i added is in the ssh_config
[03:55] <piercleo> at the bottom i put:     ServerAliveInterval 120
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> that wont cause problems
[03:56] <piercleo> ok
[03:56] <piercleo> well thanks a lot then
[03:56] <piercleo> when i get home i'll try to get someone to disable the agent and see from there
=== Kamping_Kaiser is going to bed Real Soon Now :)
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> Thu Oct 11 23:27:25 CST 2007
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[04:29] <stickystyle> Does anyone have a logcheck rule written for the yahoo deferred email log entries (postfix)? I have tried several times but cannot seem to get the regex quite right.
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[04:29] <stickystyle> e.g. Oct 11 08:50:20 MX1 postfix/smtp[4166] : connect to f.mx.mail.yahoo.com[209.191.88.247] : server refused to talk to me: 421 Message from (65.97.153.195) temporarily deferred - 4.16.50. Please refer to http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-06.html   (port 25)
[04:30] <mralphabet> stickystyle: check with ScottK, he's a postfix guy
[04:32] <stickystyle> mralphabet: thanks.  yeah I probably should even hit up the folks at #postfix - but that would be to obvious for me to think of first ;-)
[04:33] <lamont> ^\w{3} [ :0-9] {11} [._[:alnum:] -] + postfix/smtp\[[0-9] +\] : connect to f.mx.mail.yahoo.com\[[0-9.] +\] : server refused to talk to me: 421 Message from \([0-9.] +\) temporarily deferred - 4.16.50. Please refer to http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-06.html
[04:33] <lamont> should work
[04:33] <stickystyle> oh, hey. cool thanks lamont.  I will give that a shot.
[04:33] <lamont> stickystyle: mind you, totally untested and all that...
[04:34] <lamont> logcheck readme file shows how to test a regex
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[10:14] <piercleo> hello
[10:14] <piercleo> Kamping_Kaiser: I found out what the problem was
[10:14] <piercleo> my company had the port 22 closed
[10:14] <piercleo> so i ended up using another port (the msn one) and now it works like a charm
[10:14] <piercleo> thanks for your help again
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[10:23] <mathiaz> ajmitch: hi. Do you know if samba reloads its configuration file automatically if it has been modified ?
[10:24] <ajmitch> I believe it can
[10:25] <ajmitch> though I'm not certain about that
[10:25] <ajmitch> the initscript reload sends a HUP signal
[10:25] <mathiaz> ajmitch: hum... I'm looking at bug 33068, and i cannot reproduce the automatic reloading claims.
[10:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 33068 in gnome-system-tools "[shares-admin]  NFS/SMB not restarted once shares are added - require manual restart" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/33068
[10:27] <ajmitch> hm
[10:28] <mathiaz> ajmitch: one of the RHEL guide mentions that samba reload its configuration automatically
[10:33] <ajmitch> testing it here on sid
[10:33] <ajmitch> or at least trying to
[10:36] <mathiaz> ajmitch: It works.
[10:39] <ajmitch> ok, works for me
[10:39] <ajmitch> at least adding a share does
[10:40] <mathiaz> ajmitch: yes. Any parameter change will do.
[10:41] <ajmitch> the share I removed hasn't disappeared from view just yet
[10:41] <ajmitch> hm no, when I try to go to it, it says it's not there
[10:41] <mathiaz> ajmitch: yes. It may due to the fact the changes are only applied to new connection
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[10:42] <mathiaz> ajmitch: existing connections are affected by the reload.
[10:42] <ajmitch> so it seems to be workign as designed, at least
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[11:20] <qhartman> I am working on remastering some dapper install discs for a custom internal project. I have had success using the advice found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization on a 32-bit alt install iso. Now I am trying to get it done using a 64 bit server iso and I am having trouble with it.
[11:21] <qhartman> Even if I make no changes to the files extracted from the ISO and simply re-burn it, I get an error about the Release file when I start the install
[11:22] <qhartman> does the 64-bit disc do something that is not covered in the Install CD guide above? It seems the same on the surface, but clearly it is not.
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