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[05:52] <mindframe-> any currently known issues with going from feisty to gutsy right now?
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[05:56] <Vimto> hello
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[06:26] <graelb> Hi! does anyone know how to delete saved sessions in xubuntu?
[06:27] <graelb> Anyone?
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[08:39] <nbjayme> hello anyone successfully installed/setup epson stylus c90?
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[10:07] <Ed934> Hey
[10:07] <Ed934> Just wondering, how do I unpack .rpm files?
[10:07] <Ed934> i've looked around but the rpm command doesn't work
[10:07] <Ed934> is there a program I need to install first?
[10:08] <Ed934> any help would be great
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[12:26] <cherva> what is the reason for xubuntu to boot from a live cd without the toolbars ? ( i mean the applications menu, the clock and so on)
[12:33] <cherva> how do i show the panel bar ?
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[02:46] <d1n0> Can anyone here help me? I've got hd2400 video card, got picture on both the lcd screen and the tv, but the picture is cloned... how can i extend my desktop to the tv?
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[03:12] <atlfalcons866> will my computer be faster with xfce
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[03:48] <d1n0> Can anyone here help me? I've got hd2400 video card, got picture on both the lcd screen and the tv, but the picture is cloned... how can i extend my desktop to the tv?
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[04:00] <maxamillion> !xinerama | d1n0
[04:00] <ubotu> d1n0: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[04:00] <maxamillion> d1n0: that is the only way i can think of to extend to a tv
[04:03] <d1n0> oh
[04:03] <d1n0> hmm
[04:03] <d1n0> im not at all interested in one lagre virtual display
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[04:04] <neozen> only 6 more days till gutsy!
[04:04] <d1n0> Yeah, I'm looking forward to that too
[04:05] <maxamillion> d1n0: then i don't entirely follow what you mean by "extend my desktop"
[04:05] <neozen> how much of the enhancements from ubuntu are making it in?
[04:05] <d1n0> maxamillion: have you never used windows xp with 2 screens?
[04:05] <neozen> ie.... compiz-fusion etc
[04:06] <maxamillion> d1n0: uhmm... not really, i've been a gnu/linux user for almost 8 years now
[04:06] <neozen> !samba
[04:06] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:06] <vinze> neozen, not CF :P
[04:06] <neozen> awwwww...
[04:06] <neozen> lol
[04:06] <d1n0> In windows you can select "extended desktop" or "clone", if you go for the extended desktop, you get a new desktop at the tv, which you can drag movies and stuff over too, and still use the lcd screen for other shit
[04:06] <vinze> Does anyone know why I didn't see X-Displayconfig in Xubuntu Gutsy?
[04:07] <neozen> could anyone recommend a solid gtk-based samba share browser
[04:07] <maxamillion> d1n0: please don't curse .... and i think you are looking for what is called twinview in the gnu/linux world
[04:07] <d1n0> maxamillion: dude, curse? :) hehe... ok... twinview doesnt work with ati, does it?
[04:08] <maxamillion> neozen: http://pyneighborhood.sourceforge.net/ <--- its either hit or miss if you get it working but i have heard good things (i think you might have to run it as sudo .... its in the repos also)
[04:08] <maxamillion> d1n0: its an ubuntu thing ... they don't like "four letter words"
[04:08] <maxamillion> d1n0: ati has their own version ... lemme get you a tutorial
[04:09] <d1n0> hmm, ok thx :) but just so you know, i've gone through a dozen of tutorials, and im still stuck
[04:10] <maxamillion> d1n0: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxAndDualMonitors.html
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[04:12] <d1n0> Thanks, i'll check it out
[04:13] <maxamillion> okies
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[05:53] <tech404> could someone recommend a really feature full irc client. I have been using pidgin but i am disappointed with its irc behavior.
[05:53] <tech404> now im using xchat and it seems very plain
[05:57] <mindframe-> xchat is about as good as it gets for a linux irc client.
[05:57] <TheSheep> tech404: irssi
[05:57] <maxamillion> tech404: irssi
[05:57] <maxamillion> TheSheep beat me to it
[05:57] <tech404> thanks
[05:57] <maxamillion> np
[05:57] <mindframe-> i dont think he wants a cli irc client
[05:58] <TheSheep> mindframe-: too bad
[05:58] <maxamillion> tech404: read the docs and it will be your favorite program by the end of the day
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[05:58] <TheSheep> maxamillion: wait, there are docs? ;)
[05:58] <tech404> no mindframe is right
[05:59] <pleia2> people say konversation is nice too if you want to go the GUI route, but probably no better than xchat
[05:59] <maxamillion> TheSheep: lol
[05:59] <maxamillion> konversation to my knowledge is basically a port of xchat to the kde-libs and qt
[05:59] <tech404> im lame i know.... i like to be visually stimulated... im add
[05:59] <tech404> a.d.d that is
[06:00] <maxamillion> tech404: me too ... been clinically diagnosed for 12 years, doesn't mean much
[06:00] <maxamillion> tech404: you are alot more productive with a keyboard than you are with a mouse ;)
[06:00] <totalwormface> how much visibla can a irc client become, you can make your terminal transparent .. :{
[06:00] <tech404> maxamillion: no it sure doesnt... except that stimulants will often have the opposite effect
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[06:01] <maxamillion> tech404: true ... but it does mean that multitasking comes easier and more fluent to you ... and you can do more at once using keyboard shortcuts than you can having to move to move your mouse
[06:01] <maxamillion> :D
[06:02] <mindframe-> this is true
[06:02] <tech404> well anyways thanks for the invaluable input... i will continue my search for something that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling
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[06:02] <TheSheep> maxamillion: even better way to learn to use keyboard: use a stylus with a tablet instead of a mouse
[06:03] <TheSheep> maxamillion: stylus is over 2 times faster than mouse
[06:03] <maxamillion> interesting ....
[06:03] <TheSheep> maxamillion: but putting it down takes down, and typing with it in hand is horrible
[06:03] <TheSheep> takse time
[06:03] <TheSheep> maxamillion: I usually put it behind my ear
[06:03] <TheSheep> or in my mouth
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[06:04] <maxamillion> rgr
[06:04] <TheSheep> maxamillion: still, makes you want to minimize switching :)
[06:04] <bigredradio> Anyone know where the "user specific" screen resolution setting is? My xorg.conf is fine. I only get out of sync for one user.
[06:04] <TheSheep> bigredradio: settings->display settings
[06:05] <bigredradio> TheSheep: I have no screen. Out of sync error only.
[06:05] <TheSheep> bigredradio: you can also switch them with alt+ctrl+gray plus
[06:06] <bigredradio> TheSheep: What is gray plus?
[06:06] <TheSheep> bigredradio: the plus on your numeric keypad
[06:06] <TheSheep> bigredradio: to the far right
[06:07] <bigredradio> No that doesn't work either.
[06:07] <bigredradio> I am looking for the file itself.
[06:19] <bigredradio> For those keeping score at home. The file was: /home/user/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/display.xml
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[08:26] <harpette> can anyone do a "du -sh /var" and tell me the result, please?
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[08:36] <TheSheep> 237M
[08:37] <harpette> Thanks
[08:38] <TheSheep> harpette: apt-get clean will reduce it a little
[08:38] <harpette> yes
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[08:52] <zoredache> what do you want to know the size of /var for?  My /var is more then 20gb...
[08:59] <wyrd> keep tabs on on diskusage?
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[09:05] <harpette> i'm trying to decide on a size for the /var partition; i have a small disk
[09:05] <harpette> so i thought i'd run a poll
[09:06] <harpette> 20GB for /var is astronomical BTW
[09:06] <harpette> Gentoo uses a large /var because that's where it builds everything from source, and 3GB is enough
[09:07] <TheSheep> harpette: why do you need a separate /var ?
[09:08] <harpette> TheSheep: actually i'm also trying to decide that
[09:09] <harpette> usually it's good to separate /usr and /var from /; if one filesystem fails on you, you can fix it separately, and it takes less time too
[09:09] <TheSheep> harpette: I can understand that you could want a separate /boot, if you wanted to use a different filesystem than ext3, a separate /home is obvious, separate /tmp mounted in memory might be nice, separate /usr to make it read-only, etc., but /var ?
[09:09] <harpette> also, you may want to journal /var but not /usr
[09:10] <TheSheep> hmmm
[09:11] <harpette> the multi-disk howto says it's higly recommended to split /var and /usr from /
[09:12] <harpette> TheSheep: /us is static data, /var is... variable: changes a lot
[09:13] <TheSheep> harpette: so does pretty much anything else in /
[09:13] <TheSheep> harpette: except maybe /etc and /lib, bu they are small
[09:13] <harpette> so, journaling /usr is not necessary. Yes, you may want to journal /
[09:14] <harpette> although, hmm i can't think of what changes so much under /
[09:15] <TheSheep> harpette: /etc :)
[09:15] <harpette> do you update your config files continuously?
[09:15] <wyrd> sheep, if /var and / are on the same partition and you fill it, it can cause real problems
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[09:15] <TheSheep> wyrd: how so?
[09:16] <TheSheep> wyrd: as long as /tmp is separate...
[09:16] <harpette> can't boot
[09:16] <self_enquiry> Xubuntu Gutsy will be released in the same day as Ubuntu?
[09:16] <wyrd> as harp said, can't boot with a full /
[09:17] <TheSheep> self_enquiry: or few days later
[09:17] <TheSheep> self_enquiry: there can be some slip
[09:17] <self_enquiry> k, thenk you!
[09:17] <TheSheep> wyrd: ok, that's a good reason :)
[09:18] <harpette> TheSheep: actually, i'm not sure it can't boot, but having pbms as wyrd said rings a bell
[09:18] <harpette> hey, i've been partitioning for quite a while now and haven't had pbms in while
[09:18] <TheSheep> harpette: afair apt-get downloads all the packages to /var/cache when updating, you might want to have at least 800-900MB if you plan on dist-update in the future
[09:19] <TheSheep> harpette: then again, you can mount some partition temporarily there wheile updating
[09:19] <harpette> rats, too big. OK, TY though
[09:19] <wyrd> mine was 500, on my laptop
[09:19] <TheSheep> harpette: yu only need that much when replacing almost whole system with newer versions
[09:19] <wyrd> just cleaned it out though
[09:19] <TheSheep> harpette: you can probably do it in steps too
[09:20] <wyrd> my gentoo on's 900
[09:20] <harpette> TheSheep: indeed i usually prefer doing it in steps
[09:20] <harpette> wyrd: yes i've made do with 1GB on Gentoo
[09:20] <wyrd> it's a headless server though
[09:21] <wyrd> so i don't do much X stuff with it
[09:21] <TheSheep> harpette: some tex files might need about 100-200MB in there, possibly, if you use some advanced features
[09:21] <harpette> wow
[09:21] <TheSheep> harpette: font cache and the like
[09:21] <TheSheep> harpette: the whole text system is pretty complicated, so I'm not sure what *exactly* are these
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[09:58] <wyrd> who
[09:58] <wyrd> oops
[09:58] <wyrd> wrong window
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[10:00] <sam_home> does anyone know where i can download the default xubuntu desktop background please?
[10:02] <wyrd> it'll  be in /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops
[10:03] <sam_home> not if i run Debian!
[10:03] <wyrd> ah ha, i see your problem ;)
[10:04] <wyrd> let me see
[10:04] <sam_home> thanks
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[10:06] <sam_home> of if someone could just stick it here?  http://yourfilehost.com/flash_upload.php
[10:06] <Defuzed> Is there a better channel for xubuntu 7.10 support
[10:08] <wyrd> defuzed: for more general things, not to do with xfce etc, try #ubuntu
[10:09] <wyrd> sam, witch is it you want?
[10:09] <sam_home> the blue one please
[10:09] <Defuzed> well my issue is with installing compiz fusion in xubuntu 7.10
[10:10] <wyrd> d, sorry i can't help there, my xubuntu lappy would die if i even mentioned it
[10:10] <Defuzed> wyrd, thanks
[10:10] <wyrd> s, there's a lot of blue in xubuntu
[10:11] <sam_home> umm the one that loads by default? not sure what else to say
[10:11] <sam_home> it's kind of wavy?
[10:12] <wyrd> ok
[10:15] <wyrd> hmmm
[10:15] <wyrd> that upload thing's pretty rubbish
[10:17] <wyrd> http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=image&file=xubuntu_jmak.png
[10:18] <wyrd> there you go
[10:18] <wyrd> took 3 computers to achieve that miracle :P
[10:19] <sam_home> Thankyou!
[10:20] <sam_home> this is a GPL image?
[10:20] <wyrd> i assume so
[10:20] <wyrd> come in the universe packages
[10:20] <wyrd> *comes
[10:21] <sam_home> hmm so could be copyright..
[10:21] <wyrd> will be, but free to distribute
[10:22] <sam_home> OK thanks
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[10:41] <hyper__ch> and free to alter
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[10:54] <bigredradio> Very strange network issue. Cannot ping self (hostname or localhost) but can access the rest of the work. Any ideas?
[10:55] <bigredradio> Was having problems starting/stopping portmap so I removed it. (don't use nfs).
[10:55] <bigredradio> No firewall either.
[10:57] <maxamillion> bigredradio: can you just not do 'ping localhost'? or can you not do 'ping 127.0.0.1'?
[10:58] <bigredradio> both. Or my hostname or ipaddress.
[10:58] <maxamillion> bigredradio: interesting
[10:58] <bigredradio> I can ssh to another machince and have no problem.
[10:58] <bigredradio> I can ping my hostname remotely logged into another system but not locally.
[10:59] <maxamillion> bigredradio: run this command in the terminal and tell me if it says anything 'cat /etc/network/interfaces | grep loopback'
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[11:00] <bigredradio> maxamillion: Yes. I have loopback
[11:01] <bigredradio> My /etc/hosts is configured correctly. I have an entry with ifconfig -a. I am typing on the system I cannot ping.
[11:01] <maxamillion> bigredradio: its possible your iptables setup is rejecting it .. but that's unlikely
[11:01] <wyrd> can you ping it from else where?
[11:01] <bigredradio> wyrd: yes. I do not have iptables running. (lsmod check)
[11:04] <wyrd> can you do route -n
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[11:06] <bigredradio> wyrd: No problems there.
[11:08] <wyrd> so, you've a route to 127.0.0.1?
[11:08] <wyrd> can you do cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_*
[11:09] <bigredradio> cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_*0
[11:09] <bigredradio> 1
[11:09] <bigredradio> 0
[11:09] <bigredradio> 1
[11:09] <bigredradio> 250
[11:09] <bigredradio> 6168
[11:10] <bigredradio> There is a line break after the asterisk.
[11:10] <wyrd> that looks ok
[11:11] <bigredradio> I am having trouble connecting to any local services. ssh, telnet, rsh, and others.
[11:11] <wyrd> can you pastebin the output of route -n for me please?
[11:11] <wyrd> and iptables -L -n, just in case
[11:12] <bigredradio> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40312/
[11:12] <wyrd> ah ha!
[11:12] <wyrd> no route to 1927.0.0.1
[11:13] <wyrd> *127
[11:13] <bigredradio> But I cannot ping my ipaddress either.
[11:13] <wyrd> if you ping your ip it goes through that secreetly
[11:13] <wyrd> i think
[11:13] <wyrd> route add -net 127.0.0.0
[11:14] <wyrd> that should fix it
[11:14] <bigredradio> route add -net 127.0.0.0
[11:14] <bigredradio> SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument
[11:15] <bigredradio> WTF?
[11:15] <wyrd> hmmm
[11:15] <wyrd> did you use sudo?
[11:16] <bigredradio> I am already root
[11:16] <wyrd> oh
[11:16] <wyrd> ok
[11:16] <wyrd> same error here
[11:17] <wyrd> odd, that's straight from the man page
[11:17] <bigredradio> wyrd: what version are you?
[11:18] <wyrd> of route?
[11:18] <bigredradio> yes, and xubuntu
[11:18] <bigredradio> net-tools 1.60
[11:18] <bigredradio> route 1.98 (2001-04-15)
[11:18] <wyrd> net-tools 1.60
[11:18] <wyrd> and xubuntu edgy, i think
[11:19] <wyrd> hmmm
[11:19] <wyrd> i haven't a lo route either
[11:19] <wyrd> but i can ping localhost
[11:22] <bigredradio> Since it is more than ping failing, I suspect something deeper.
[11:22] <wyrd> this is weird
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[11:24] <wyrd> dodgy routing is all i can think of
[11:24] <wyrd> is lo up?
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[11:25] <bigredradio> wyrd: yeah. From what I can tell.
[11:26] <bigredradio> wyrd: hold the phone
[11:26] <bigredradio> ifup lo reported already configured. I took it down, then brought it back up and it now works.
[11:27] <wyrd> cool
[11:27] <wyrd> wonder what's changed
[11:27] <bigredradio> thanks for your help.
[11:27] <wyrd> no worries
[11:28] <bigredradio> I think this may have to do with the new module I use. I read about taking eth0 down and back up to work, but did not suspect same issue with lo.
[11:28] <wyrd> what module was that?
[11:28] <bigredradio> (Also explains why I don't get X on boot). I have to startx manually.
[11:29] <bigredradio> e1000-ich9
[11:29] <wyrd> x needs lo
[11:29] <bigredradio> I updated /etc/init.d/networking to take down and bring up all interfaces on start.
[11:30] <bigredradio> Band-aid for now
[11:30] <wyrd> hmmm
[11:30] <bigredradio> Checking if X comes up on boot. Be back later.
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[11:30] <wyrd> there must be a btter way
[11:30] <wyrd> k
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[11:34] <bigredradio> wyrd: No luck fixing X. That one still baffles me. It attemps to start on boot, but appears to fail, but log in as user and run startx, no problems.
[11:35] <wyrd> odd
[11:36] <wyrd> can you do tail /var/log/whatever you x log is in paste bin?
[11:39] <bigredradio> wyrd: There is a lot of data. Not much helpful.
[11:40] <bigredradio> wyrd: That will have to be for another day. Gotta get *some* work done today.
[11:40] <bigredradio> take care.
[11:40] <wyrd> ok
[11:40] <wyrd> you too
[11:40] <wyrd> bye
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[11:52] <Alkivar> i love you people seeding the 7.04 torrent
[11:52] <Alkivar> 941kB/sec
[11:52] <Alkivar> direct download i was maxing at 240kB/sec
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[12:19] <tombar_> when is going to be xubuntu 7.10 released? 18th october?
[12:22] <pcrtech> seems to be
[12:22] <pcrtech> there is a countdown on the ubuntu and fluxbuntu pages
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[12:28] <jet65> I'm having problems connecting to the internet on Xubuntu. I have a belkin wireless G usb network adapter and I can't get the ndis wrapper to run correctly. Any suggestions?
[12:34] <jet65> Could anyone tell me where I could get started on setting up a wireless connection from Xubuntu? It works when I boot windows
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[12:35] <Lewin> jet are you on 7.04?
[12:35] <jet65> Yes.
[12:36] <Lewin> have the case sensitive ssid and password for your wireless router?
[12:37] <jet65> I can get into the router from the main computer if that's what you mean, the routers on a different computer.
[12:39] <Lewin> when you go to system>network is your wireless card visible?
[12:40] <jet65> I have to get on the other computer upstairs to check tha, but i know it is registered within the network. Do i still need to go check?
[12:42] <Lewin> what kind of encryption are you using? wpa2 enterprise?
[12:42] <jet65> wep
[12:42] <jet65> and I do have the web key for it
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[12:44] <jet65> i apologize lewin but I have to go. thanks for the help i'll log on again in about 4 1/2 hours hopefully
[12:48] <Lewin> does anyone know command to restart ps2 mouse? i plug in my ps2 mouse after i boot up (with kvm switch) and it will not automatically detect but keyboard will work. xubuntu 7.10
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[01:06] <Mark7> It's not fair :(