[01:09] <mhb> nixternal: I wonder if you were talking about the same topics on my blog as we were today in this channel
[01:10] <mhb> nixternal: those that Riddell mentioned a bit, although he probably shouldnt have
[07:02] <nixternal> uploading the final kubuntu-docs to my ppa to test build it...it builds here fine and installs fine
[07:02] <DaSkreech> \o/
[07:02] <nixternal> the translations were the worst I have seen yet
[07:02] <nixternal> and I have concluded...Rosetta sucks!
[07:03] <Jucato> aw...
[07:03] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Join the rest of us
[07:04] <nixternal> it is ridiculous
[07:04] <nixternal> I have spent 12 hours fixing total destruction
[07:04] <nixternal> I have written more sed scripts tonight, today, and yesterday, than I think I have ever done in my life
[07:05] <nixternal> if I see one more 'for x in `cat lang`; do unborkage;done, I will blow up
[07:05] <Jucato> for x in `cat lang`; do unborkage;done,
[07:05] <nixternal> you are so lucky I can't op myself and k/b me
[07:05] <Jucato> :)
[07:05] <nixternal> err, I mean you
[07:05] <nixternal> jeesh
[07:06] <Jucato> sorry and good night...
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Haha I was thinking that was an innovative way to stop torment
[07:06] <nixternal> out of like 1,000 po files....there were about 3 good ones
[07:06] <nixternal> lol Jucato
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Jucato: so soon after lunch?
[07:06] <Jucato> yeah... been feeling... nonchalant the past days
[07:07] <Jucato> so see you around. and good luck nixternal
[07:07] <DaSkreech> or nixternal
[07:07] <Jucato> nah. we'd lose our greatest kubuntu pimp
[07:07] <DaSkreech> for x in `cat lang`; do unborkage;done,
[07:09] <nixternal> http://cia.vc/stats/author/nixternal
[07:10] <nixternal> that sure is a lot of KDE stuff under related
[07:10] <nixternal> Jucato: get better homeskillet
[07:17] <stdin> looks like Riddell package-foo wavered a bit last night
[07:17] <DaSkreech> Hmm?
[07:17] <nixternal> why does LP hate me?
[07:18] <stdin> DaSkreech: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[07:18] <DaSkreech> Ah right
[07:19] <stdin> needs new version of libsuprano and kdebase-workspace need a build-dep on libqimageblitz-dev
[07:54] <uga> kwwii: LOL
[10:11] <gnomefreak> someone around that can change upgrade docs there is a typo i think
[10:11] <Hobbsee> on the wiki?
[10:11] <gnomefreak> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52
[10:12] <gnomefreak> oh damn that is a wiki
[10:12] <Jucato> :D
[10:12] <gnomefreak> n Adept -> Manage Repositories enable "Recommended updates" and "Recommended updates", close and reload
[10:13] <gnomefreak> Recommended updates should only be there once right?
[10:13] <Hobbsee> quite likely, yes
[10:13] <gnomefreak> i dont have adept atm
[10:13] <Hobbsee> unless you want to make *darn* sure it's hit.
[10:14] <gnomefreak> Please make sure that you have enabled the Pre-released updated in Adept before attempting the upgrade. This is noted in the instructions as well.?????
[10:14] <Jucato> the other one should be Proposed Updates I think
[10:14] <Jucato> ah Pre-released
[10:15] <gnomefreak> pick one ;)
[10:15] <Jucato> it's supposed to be Recommended updates and Pre-released
[10:15] <gnomefreak> is pre-release there?
[10:15] <gnomefreak> ok changing it
[10:15] <Jucato> Pre-release = feisty-proposed... hence my confusion
[10:16] <gnomefreak> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[10:16] <gnomefreak> better?
[10:18] <Jucato> as long as "made by gnomefreak", it's always better
[10:18] <gnomefreak> ;)
[10:18] <gnomefreak> its everywhere :(
[10:19] <Jucato> everywhere where?
[10:19] <Jucato> iirc the Beta instructions had it right
[10:20] <gnomefreak> ok it looks right now
[10:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: cool to see kde 3.5.8 in the pipeline ;)
[10:50] <Lure> digikam 0.9.2 with bugfixes available in my ppa: https://launchpad.net/~lure/+archive - testers on gutsy wanted
[12:25] <mhb> Riddell: I regret to report that the U.S. denied me a visa
[12:26] <Riddell> mhb: arse
[12:26] <mhb> Riddell: they questioned the validity of the invitation letter and of the company itself, and it didnt help me that I am a uni student
[12:26] <Riddell> that's crap
[12:27] <mhb> Riddell: yeah. Sorry.
[12:36] <mhb> Riddell: it is not the end of the world... I only regret that Canonical had to spend money on travel preparations.
[12:36] <mhb> who knows, perhaps one day the UDS will be at a students-from-Europe-friendlier country :o)
[12:47] <Jucato> what? the US doubts Canonical's authenticity??? the nerve!!
[12:51] <mhb> Jucato: how many other respectable companies do you know that are based on Isle of Man?
[12:51] <Jucato> none? :)
[12:52] <mhb> Jucato: but I guess any non-US company is suspicious for the americans
[12:52] <Jucato> of course...
[12:53] <mhb> Jucato: easy - dont go into the us :o)
[12:53] <Jucato> it usually takes a year to get even a visitor's visa here to be approved... or so my countrymates say
[12:53] <Jucato> hahah yeah
[12:54] <Jucato> not really that attractive for me anyway. although most of my folks are in New york
[12:54] <mhb> Jucato: well, I dont like the concept much. Especially the fact that you dont get a visa unless you show the sum on your bank account
[12:55] <Jucato> yep. that's one reason too... specially here...we're kinda notorious for illegal immigration...
[12:59] <mhb> Jucato: yeah, but it makes less sense in a EU country....
[12:59] <Jucato> yeah....
[01:01] <mhb> lets make lemonade then
[01:07] <Lure> mhb: that sucks!
[01:08] <Lure> Riddell: kde-guidance from my ppa is waiting for you (did not get Hobbsee or Tonio_ to sponsor upload)
[01:08] <fdoving> wow, mandriva got virtualbox guest tools by default.
[01:09] <Lure> Riddell: digikam is also there (with suggested backport of fixes from upstream), but would like some more testers to report than just me
[01:11] <Riddell> Lure: ok
[01:13] <mhb> Lure: yeah, big time.
[01:14] <Lure> Riddell: will you at all have any kubuntu-devel at uds? lost of people dropped off recently...
[01:15] <Riddell> jjesse
[01:15] <Riddell> KDE people at FOSScamp
[01:43] <mhb> is it known where uds+1 will take place?
[01:50] <Lure> mhb: hope for europe ;-)
[02:04] <Riddell> mhb: I presume you'll tell claire about the visa lark
[02:04] <bddebian> HEya
[02:05] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[02:06] <mhb> Riddell: I had. She is sorry to hear that. Other people didnt have any problems with the invitation letter.
[02:06] <mhb> case closed, I guess.
[02:07] <Lure> mhb: just probably some jerk at local US ambassady
[02:08] <bddebian> Hello Jucato
[02:08] <mhb> Lure: I guess so. But what can you do? Nothing.
[02:09] <Lure> mhb: very hard to do - we had sometimes to orgnaize a call from US company to the offical in order to fix it
[02:09] <Lure> mhb: this was for our employees from Bosnia
[02:11] <mhb> Lure: hmm, interesting. I didnt arrange that because I didnt expect to be thrown out like that.
[02:12] <Riddell> we don't actually have anyone very official in the US
[02:12] <Lure> mhb: the problem was that he was student and even letter from our company + invitation was not enough
[02:13] <Lure> Riddell: you can call them and pretend that you can speak US english ;-)
[02:13] <Riddell> they might get suspicious at it coming from a UK number
[02:14] <Lure> Riddell: that can be fixed I am sure (grand central and stuff)
[02:14] <Riddell> Lure: doesn't your guidance change need a replace/conflicts?
[02:15] <ScottK> Riddell: If you need something from a US corporation, I am a US corporation (albeit a VERY small one).  Be glad to help if I can.
[02:15] <ScottK> Good morning all, BTW.
[02:15] <mhb> hi ScottK
[02:15] <ScottK> Hello mhb
[02:15] <Riddell> I suspect it needs to be one actually related to the conference
[02:15] <Lure> Riddell: it upgraded fine here... probably due to the fact that guidance-backend is upgraded first
[02:16] <Riddell> Lure: I think I'll add it to be on the safe side
[02:16] <ScottK> Riddell: I am planning on attending.  Probably not enough, but I thought I'd throw it out there.
[02:16] <Lure> Riddell: and we are removing one file from it and adding to kde-guidance which is installing later
[02:16] <Lure> Riddell: maybe it better to be on safe side (particularly that late in the process)
[02:18] <Riddell> ScottK: oh really?
[02:18] <Riddell> what days?
[02:18] <ScottK> Riddell: It's looking likely part of Sunday and Monday.  I just got told (funded) to go to a meeting in the area on Tuesday.
[02:20] <ScottK> Just found out yesterday, so no actual travel arrangements are made yet.
[02:25] <nixternal> mornin' my lil kubuntees :)
[02:25] <mhb> ScottK: good to hear you will be there - every extra kubuntu hand will be useful now :o)
[02:25] <Jucato> morning nixternal
[02:26] <mhb> hi nixternal
[02:28] <mhb> nixternal: youre in a good mood today?
[02:30] <mhb> Jucato: the PHP function explode() might help :o)
[02:31] <ScottK2> php anything would dampen my mood.
[02:31] <nixternal> I am always in a good mood
[02:31] <Jucato> nixternal: you weren't around 12 hours ago
[02:31] <Jucato> make that 8 or less
[02:31] <Jucato> mhb: I imagine you're in a pretty sour mood?
[02:33] <mhb> Jucato: well, I was looking forward to meeting all the people and actually take part in the decision making.
[02:34] <Jucato> mhb: I was actually in sort of similar mood last week, when I realized I wouldn't be able to even join that KDE contest for January's release party
[02:35] <Jucato> but I think your disappointment is greater, since you were going to be sponsored already...
[02:37] <mhb> Jucato: heh :o) nobody was hurt, so no big deal
[02:37] <Jucato> (you were, that's a big deal..)
[02:38] <Jucato> you're :o) always reminds me of clowns btw
[02:41] <nixternal> mhb: that sucks about your visa :(
[02:42] <mhb> nixternal: it does indeed
[02:45] <mhb> nixternal: it sucks even more when you have a letter of invitation, but the consul just says "it is not the original" (I got a scanned copy)
[02:46] <mhb> and disregard it
[02:47] <mhb> too bad the concept of "innocent unless proven otherwise" doesnt apply in other areas, too.
[02:49] <Jucato> as the episode in Law & Order today said... "A lot has changed since 9/11"...
[02:52] <nixternal> mhb: hehe, ya there is no such thing as 'innocent as proven guilty' here for sure
[02:52] <nixternal> I get a kick out of the innocent but proven guilty...I just noticed my typo in that last line...
[02:52] <nixternal> if you were innocent until proven guilty, why do they want to keep you in jail until they prove you guilty :)
[02:53] <nixternal> Jucato: ya, a lot has changed since 9/11...we have become one huge policed state here...another reason I want to move...I feel like my freedoms are on a tissue getting flushed down a toilet
[02:54] <nixternal> jeesh, IP infringement lawsuit against Red Hat and Novell now...this is lovely...I was in a good mood until I read that :)
[02:54] <Jucato> and in another episode... "Privacy has become a luxury only a few can afford"
[02:55] <Jucato> it's good in a way... it will test Linux's mettle against frivolous patent lawsuits
[02:55] <nixternal> I gotta say, they do one heck of a job keeping the good people locked down :)
[02:55] <mhb> oh well.
[02:55] <nixternal> ya, but it won't stop
[02:55] <Jucato> but the konspiracist in me feels that MS is using it to test the waters...
[02:55] <mhb> enjoy the rest of the day
[02:55] <Jucato> mhb: I only have 2 hours till mine ends
[02:55] <nixternal> and we are talking Texas here....they are the same state that sued McDonalds because a lady burnt her lip on HOT coffee
[02:56] <Jucato> and I haven't been enjoying the whole week... but thanks for the thought :)
[02:56] <nixternal> that is why you see the "Caution, Contents Hot" on McD's lids now
[02:57] <Jucato> there was a story too of a lady who sued McD's because of the napkin that was given to her didn't have the McD logo... dunno if it's true
[02:57] <Jucato> e
[02:57] <mhb> Jucato: enjoy the two hours then
[02:57] <mhb> all is well that ends well
[02:57] <Jucato> thanks
[02:57] <nixternal> that it is
[02:58] <fdoving> nixternal: is it true that in the US they have "Do not touch while operating" printed at the sword of the chainsaws?
[02:58] <Jucato> all swells that end swell...
[02:59] <nixternal> fdoving: I don't know, but I truly wouldn't doubt it
[02:59] <fdoving> nixternal: :)
[02:59] <nixternal> the reason why is because you hear it quite a bit here..."we should just remove the warning labels and let the stupid people weed themselves out"
[02:59] <Jucato> soon they would probably put "Do not touch while burning" beside campfires and such
[03:00] <fdoving> nixternal: stupid people rarely read warnings anyway,  they just can't get rich suing for being stupid anymore. :)
[03:00] <nixternal> haha, so true
[03:05] <mhb> I will be back in the evening once I arrive at my girlfriend's place.. see yah
[03:05] <fdoving> have a nice trip.
[03:05] <mhb> fdoving: thanks!
[03:08] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hiya!
[03:11] <nixternal> wasabi Hobbsee
[03:13] <nixternal>  c.lk km bbn h
[03:13] <nixternal>  hahaha, my dog just said hi to you :)
[03:14] <Hobbsee> ookay?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> !visternal
[03:14] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[03:14] <nixternal> muhah
[03:15] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Can you teach the bot to automatically do that when he signs onto a channel?
[03:15] <nixternal> NO!
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hm.  not sure if that's possible
[03:15] <nixternal> you know how many channels I am in where that bot is
[03:15] <ScottK> nixternal: Yes I do.
[03:15] <nixternal> that would cause me to use Gentoo!
[03:15] <Hobbsee> but seveas would probably write a plugin for it...
[03:15] <nixternal> you know he would
[03:15] <nixternal> I already did :)
[03:16] <ScottK> OK.  I've had my evil idea for the day.  I can move on.
[03:16] <nixternal> I was waiting for you to ping him
[03:16] <nixternal> hahahaha soc
[03:16] <nixternal> err
[03:16] <nixternal> ScottK:  :)
[03:16] <nixternal> c before o, then tab
[03:16] <ScottK> And even better, put it in the hands of like minded evil doer who will implement it...
[03:17] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:18] <nixternal> ooh, cj stood up like superman :)
[03:18] <Jucato> Hobbsee: careful... it might roll too far back
[03:18] <nixternal> lol
[03:18] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:18] <Hobbsee> it'll be a question of who hits the +b first.
[03:22] <nixternal> I love people who want insane updates a week prior to the final release
[03:24] <Hobbsee> that's sad about mhb :(
[03:24] <Jucato> yeah, quite sad
[03:25] <Lure> Riddell: when kde4 beta3 reaches gutsy, can we make it default? ;-)
[03:25] <Jucato> nixternal: you have a fan :)
[03:26] <Riddell> Lure: sure why not, it even seems to have a panel now
[03:26] <Lure> Riddell: kde4 looks more like vista and I am sure it would make visternal happy ;-)
[03:33] <nixternal> Lure and Riddell:  I am willing to bet your last 2 lines combined about KDE 4 will be on Slashdot - "KUBUNTU DOES KDE4 BY DEFAULT IN GUTSY!"
[03:34] <Lure> nixternal: you have missed the last part of "due to popular demand of Vista lover developer visternal "
[03:34] <Lure> s/last part/last part of headline/
[03:35] <nixternal> muhahah
[03:35] <nixternal> Dirk Eddelbuettel (Debian Developer) seems to have finished the Chicago Marathon this past weekend...impressive
[03:36] <nixternal> we had a guy die at the marathon because of the heat, and hundreds of people fall out as well..it was a mess
[03:36] <genii> Don't know when this started but it didn't used to happen before. Firefox is open.. click on a link within Konversation and it opens a new instance of Firefox, then closes it again but the link still opens in a new tab in the original instance. Previously it just went straight to the new tab without needing to load another instance first. Annoying since this work machine is not the fastest. Also seems inefficient.
[03:37] <nixternal> genii: it doesn't do that here
[03:37] <genii> nixternal: I thought they cancelled the marathon? Or perhaps it was boston
[03:37] <nixternal> is there anything special I need to do besides having both Konqi and firefox open?
[03:37] <nixternal> genii: they did cancel it after 3 hours in from what the news said
[03:38] <nixternal> err...you said konversation...not konqueror
[03:38] <nixternal> my fault
[03:38] <genii> nixternal: Anyhow, nothing special, just firefox open, then clicking on a link from within Konversation is causing it for me. Perhaps i need to check how default web browser is being called then or so
[03:39] <nixternal> oh jeesh....I opened up konversation and had a bunch of errors pop up
[03:39] <nixternal> Server sent error 65: Access to restricted port in POST denied
[03:40] <genii> Weird
[03:40] <nixternal> seems to be a KIO issues
[03:40] <nixternal> KIO::Scheduler to be exact
[03:45] <nixternal> bug 151972 - anyone want to look at that and tell me if it is something other than konvi?
[03:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151972 in konversation "[Gutsy]  Crash when opening with 4 error messages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151972
[03:45] <nixternal> I attached a screenshot that shows the 4 error dialogs
[03:47] <Jucato> nixternal: are you using egroupware for kaddressbook or korganizer?
[03:49] <Jucato> oh wait, it looks like the same errors anyway... nixternal http://knightlust.blogspot.com/2007/09/konversation-error-65-and-3.html
[03:49] <Jucato> you might want to search LP too coz Knightlust reported it also. so it's a dup :)
[03:50] <nixternal> Jucato: I was...I thought I removed all of that
[03:50] <Jucato> apparently not yet :)
[03:51] <nixternal> hrmm
[03:52] <Jucato> hope it's the same thing so that it has the same solution :)
[03:52] <nixternal> then how exactly do you get rid of that stuff
[03:52] <Jucato> "For those curious how to remove the XML-RPC entry in KAddressbook, just go to Settings > Show Extension > Address Books. That's where you delete it."
[03:52] <Jucato> it says so on the blog
[03:54] <nixternal> you can't do that...I get the same errors when I try and Kontact crashes now
[03:55] <nixternal> I bet it is hiding in there...ripe for the pickin' :)
[03:55] <Jucato> or kcontrol -> kde resources
[03:55] <Jucato> forgot where exactly
[03:55] <nixternal> well it isn't :)
[03:55] <Jucato> fine fine :)
[04:05] <nixternal> Jucato: that fixed it :)
[04:05] <nixternal> it just crashed Kontact in the process
[04:05] <nixternal> eGroupware needs some work
[04:05] <Jucato> :)
[04:06] <Jucato> nixternal: now you can mark it as a dup :)
[04:06] <nixternal_> people like this konversation ey
[04:06] <nixternal> `/wi6
[04:06] <nixternal> err
[04:07] <Jucato> lol
[04:07] <nixternal> Jucato: I am just going to close my bug
[04:07] <nixternal> yay, LP timeout errors so rock
[04:10] <nixternal> Jucato: I don't think he created a bug for it...if he did, it is hiding somewhere
[04:10] <Jucato> I'll ask him
[04:13] <nixternal> I think the reason for it...actually I know what the reason is...and it really isn't a bug...but there is no easy/proper way to delete and egroupware setup...so I am willing to bet he removed it the same way I did
[04:13] <nixternal> which obviously left some parts behind
[04:14] <Jucato> nixternal: bug 139351
[04:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139351 in konversation "[Gutsy Tribe 5]  Konversation: Server sent error 65 and Server sent error 3" [Undecided,Won't fix]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139351
[04:15] <PhinnFort> why isn't the proper boot manager set by default in Kubuntu?
[04:15] <PhinnFort> that enables you to select which OS/kernel to boot on the next reboot
[04:16] <Jucato> hm?
[04:16] <PhinnFort> system settings-> login manager -> shutdown -> miscellaneus
[04:16] <PhinnFort> *ous
[04:17] <PhinnFort> set it to grub/lilo, appropriately, restart KDM, and look at the log out menu
[04:17] <PhinnFort> you should now be able to click and hold on the restart button, and select the appropriate os/kernel
[04:17] <nixternal> oh, that is why I didn't see it
[04:17] <Jucato> yep that one. dunno
[04:17] <Jucato> I've never been able to make it work actually
[04:18] <Jucato> so I'm assuming it requires a certain setup to work
[04:18] <PhinnFort> Jucato: how?
[04:18] <Jucato> well in my case, I'm guessing that because GRUB is on the mbr of hda and Kubuntu is actually in hdb, it might not be working...
[04:18] <Jucato> not really sure... it just never worked for me
[04:19] <PhinnFort> Jucato: I don't think that should have anything to do with it
[04:19] <Jucato> plus, with the new logout dialog in Kubuntu, I'm not sure if that will be supported
[04:19] <PhinnFort> Jucato: it is
[04:19] <PhinnFort> Jucato: I'm on Gutsy, and it works perfectly, after you restart KDM
[04:19] <Jucato> I see
[04:20] <Jucato> like I said, haven't really tried it out thorough after seeing that it doesn't work for me
[04:20] <PhinnFort> Jucato: did you try to restart KDM?
[04:20] <PhinnFort> it's KDM that's handling it
[04:20] <Hobbsee> there's a bug open about it, iirc
[04:20] <Jucato> restarted kdm, rebooted, reformated, reinstalled... hm...
[04:21] <PhinnFort> bug #29684
[04:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 29684 in kubuntu-default-settings "Proposal: Set the bootmanager option in KDM by default to Grub" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/29684
[04:22] <Hobbsee> that's probably it
[05:24] <Riddell> nixternal: did you get dot rights?
[05:24] <nixternal> not that I know of yet...am I supposed to receive something?
[05:25] <Riddell> should get username/password and welcome e-mail
[05:25] <nixternal> right now the kubuntu-docs package is killing me....for the past 6+ months, we have shipped a buggy kubuntu-docs package and nobody caught it...call that luck
[05:25] <nixternal> no, haven't gotten that yet
[05:25] <nixternal> he said he would do that today though, and if Troy or myself haven't heard back, to give a double yell
[05:26] <Jucato_> wow! nixternal invading the dot :)
[05:26] <Jucato_> so kool
[05:26] <nixternal> Jucato_: hehe, speaking of cool, pleia just linked to your write up about the first classroom event that happened....that right there was pretty neat
[05:27] <Jucato_> whoa
[05:27] <nixternal> it showed exactly where you started and that you were blood thirsty to get in, and now look at you...man, it is pretty amazing to see just how much you have grown since then
[05:28] <nixternal> definitely impressive
[05:28] <Jucato_> hahah!
[05:28] <Jucato_> yeah.. but still I hunger for more!!!
[05:28] <nixternal> in like a years time man, you are a damn dev...
[05:28] <Jucato_> and still I'm a bit inadequate and clueless in some areas
[05:28] <nixternal> how long have you been using Linux?
[05:28] <Jucato_> 2 years by January 2007
[05:28] <nixternal> as am I...actually in quite a few areas yet
[05:28] <nixternal> oh wow...dude that is awesome
[05:29] <Jucato_> I just have lots of free time haaha
[05:29] <nixternal> hehe, same here
[05:29] <nixternal> but I don't seem to grasp it like you do
[05:29] <Jucato_> but my weakness is in packaging really
[05:29] <Jucato_> oh sht!
[05:30] <Jucato_> there's supposed to be a Q&A today right?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> yes, it's on now
[05:30] <nixternal> it is going on now
[05:30] <nixternal> I just seen it
[05:30] <Jucato_> this emo mode is really getting to e :P
[05:30] <nixternal> lol
[05:31] <nixternal> Jucato_: packaging will come...if you stick with it, there is no doubt you can have MOTU before Hardy release
[05:31] <nixternal> after seeing what you have done in less than 2 years time...from going from a nix newb to dev status...you can do packaging
[05:31] <Hobbsee> it's probably better to actually do upstream stuff, and learn all of that
[05:31] <Lure> Riddell: positive kubuntu comment for rc: http://lwn.net/Articles/254131/
[05:31] <nixternal> Hobbsee: +1
[05:31] <Jucato_> hehe :)
[05:31] <Hobbsee> seeing as packaging gets very stagnant - you end up doing more or less the same stuff over and over
[05:32] <nixternal> that is so true
[05:32] <nixternal> like kubuntu-docs for instance :p
[05:32] <Jucato_> actually that's kinda where I'm heading.. upstream stuff... but it would be a shame if I don't learn packaging
[05:32] <Jucato_> and based on my observations, at one point or another, even the most basic packaging skills is required to help in Kubuntu...
[05:32] <Jucato_> plain coding ain't enough...
[05:33] <nixternal> Jucato_: when hardy opens up, hop on MoM and start doing some stuff....updating will teach you a lot actually
[05:33] <Jucato_> hm... krap...
[05:33] <nixternal> the one thing I really enjoy about packaging, is when it is complete and uploaded...you get a feel of accomplishment
[05:33] <Jucato_> I think I lost an outline I made before of the topics/areas I wanted to cover in packaging
[05:34] <Jucato_> (and seeing your name in the changelog even if you're the only one who sees it)
[05:34] <nixternal> lol
[05:34] <nixternal> that gets old after a while though :)
[05:34] <Jucato_> yeah. but I've only ever had 3 changes in my name :)
[05:34] <nixternal> you want to know why? because when people find an issue, they tend to email you as if you know the product fully
[05:34] <Jucato_> lol
[05:35] <nixternal> its like editing the wiki...2 years ago I was a wiki nut...I fixed a few hundred pages, like typos, grammar, and made it look pretty...well people see the 'last edited by nixternal' on the bottom, and think I created the page...so they send me questions about stuff I have never even heard of
[05:36] <nixternal> and I messed up and did a lot of the wifi pages...oh man the wifi questions I get are insane
[05:36] <nixternal> I think I broke google trying to search for them :)
[05:36] <Jucato_> roflmao
[05:36] <Hobbsee> ah yes, wifi pages are fun
[05:37] <Riddell> Lure: lovely
[05:37] <nixternal> like you though, I want to do more dev work....c++ I can work with, but getting the Qt down is one thing, and even then it isn't enough for KDE work truly, because then you have the KDE API as well...it is a bit confusing at time
[05:38] <nixternal> and python, I won't even go there
[05:39] <nixternal> it looks easy, but it totally goes against, or does it differently than what I have done for years
[05:39] <nixternal> for loops annoy the hell out of me in python
[05:39] <Jucato_> I'm thinking of 2 drawbacks to the excellent KDE and Qt API... first is that sometimes what you think is a member function of a KDE class is actually of a Qt class
[05:39] <Jucato_> the 2nd is that there are soooo many classes! O.o
[05:39] <nixternal> hehe ya there is
[05:40] <Jucato_> it's like there's a class for everything imaginable under the sun
[05:40] <nixternal> I wish there was a KDE dev or 2 here in the Chicago land area that I could hook up with and learn from...IRC just doesn't cut it, because most devs in our arena are quite busy all of the time
[05:41] <Jucato_> heh I wish I knew one in this country!
[05:41] <nixternal> oh man, I gotta go to sKool...10:40, gotta leave in 20, and I gotta get in the shower yet
[05:41] <nixternal> back in a bit :)
[05:41] <Jucato_> see yah don't wanna be yah!
[05:41] <nixternal> haha
[05:42] <nixternal> b4 I go...
[05:42] <nixternal> Hobbsee: there is a guy from O'Reilly that is looking for a female MOTU as part of an interview they are doing for the 7.10 release...I did one interview for them, would you be interested in giving him a female prospective?
[05:43] <Hobbsee> nixternal: why are they looking for a female MOTU?
[05:43] <Hobbsee> (seeing as there is only one)
[05:43] <nixternal> he just wants a female prosepective in the development stuff...and yes, seeing as you are the only 1, I figured I would ask you before I sent him your email addy
[05:43] <Hobbsee> ah right
[05:44] <Hobbsee> feel free to send it, tell him that i'll at least have a look
[05:44] <nixternal> I'm realizing I don't have the best coverage of perspectives and inputs. In
[05:44] <nixternal> particular, I would like to have some more female insights on some of this.
[05:44] <nixternal> (On thing I have noticed about local Ubuntu user group meetings is they are
[05:44] <nixternal> better attended by women than some other tech events.)
[05:44] <nixternal> that is from his email...it goes on...he is a cool guy, ajmitch talked to him yesterday on IRC
[05:45] <nixternal> @kubuntu.org?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> yup
[05:47] <nixternal> Hobbsee: OK, I sent him your info...so you should probably have an email in a bit from him
[05:47] <Hobbsee> ok
[05:47] <nixternal> OK, now I am going for real, as I am going to be laaaattteee
[05:48] <nixternal> mmm latte
[05:49] <Jucato_> yum
[06:28] <mendred> ummm where can i get 3.5.8 for gutsy?
[06:28] <Hobbsee> in the repos
[06:28] <Hobbsee> or in jr's ppa
[06:59] <jjesse> don't know if anyone else is having this, but w/ completly upated gutsy it seems that clicking on links in konqi doesn't always load the page the first click
[07:04] <Riddell> jjesse: not heard of that
[07:13] <jpatrick> Riddell: small correction for last news item: "..Java bindings.."
[07:15] <jjesse> hmm maybe its my connection or something
[07:15] <Riddell> jpatrick: thanks, fixed (pending cache)
[07:16] <jpatrick> Riddell: and ignore my patch for kdebase-workspace
[07:17] <slougi> hey all, is this the right place to bring up a UI wording issue in adept for gutsy?
[07:19] <Riddell> slougi: yes
[07:19] <Riddell> although it's unlikely to be fixed at this stage
[07:19] <slougi> Riddell: right
[07:19] <slougi> in the restart required dialog
[07:19] <slougi> first, the caption says "Restart Require"
[07:20] <slougi> second, the message reads "In order to complete the update your system needs to be restarted."
[07:20] <slougi> and there's two buttons, yes, no
[07:20] <slougi> so ok, i agree it needs a restart
[07:20] <slougi> if i click it, is it going to reboot?
[07:20] <slougi> haven't had the courage yet to try since i have some longer operations going on
[07:21] <coreymon77> Riddell: whens gutsy stable supposed to be coming?
[07:21] <ScottK> coreymon77: Thursday or when it's ready.  Whichever comes second.
[07:22] <coreymon77> ScottK: but the set date is thursday right?
[07:22] <Riddell> slougi: I presume yes will reboot
[07:22] <slougi> Riddell: yes, probably, but the dialog is very awkward
[07:22] <ScottK> coreymon77: That's the planned day, yes.
[07:23] <Riddell> slougi: agreed, please report a bug
[07:23] <slougi> it's not asking a question, yet the buttons say yes/no
[07:23] <slougi> Riddell: will do
[07:23] <Riddell> slougi: I'm afraid it's too late to fix for gutsy though
[07:23] <slougi> yes i guess there is some kind of string freeze (not familiar with the release process)
[07:24] <Riddell> exactly
[07:27] <slougi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/150711 <-- there was a bug already, so sorry for the noise
[07:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150711 in adept "adept_notifier reboot dialog message is not a question" [Undecided,New] 
[07:28] <ScottK> slougi: You can mark it confirmed and comment in the bug.
[07:29] <slougi> comment in the bug?
[07:29] <ScottK> yes
[07:29] <slougi> sorry, don't see exactly what you mean
[07:29] <ScottK> Add a comment to the bug that you've seen the same problem and mark it confirmed
[07:30] <slougi> ah right
[07:30] <slougi> ahaa
[07:30] <slougi> never quite knew how that worked
[07:44] <cosmo_> I'm trying to get the RC installed but it stalled, now it does nothing when I start back up the process any suggestions? and says another process is using the apt manager when I start up adept
[07:46] <Riddell> cosmo_: installed how?
[07:50] <cosmo_> I was using the gutsy upgrades instructions on help.ubuntu.com kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[07:51] <cosmo_> but after downloading the files it got stuck on one file at 23%
[07:53] <jpatrick> cosmo_: open KSysGuard and look for apt or adept
[07:53] <jpatrick> kill them and try starting again
[07:54] <cosmo_> it is showing nothing with apt or adept
[07:55] <jpatrick> dpkg?
[07:55] <cosmo_> nope
[07:56] <jpatrick> hmm, adept uses aptitude?
[07:56] <cosmo_> yes
[07:57] <jpatrick> kill that (if it's there)
[08:01] <Riddell> it doesn't
[08:06] <fdoving> you can probably use fuser to kill anything locking the dpkg database.
[08:06] <fdoving> or the apt lists.
[08:07] <cosmo_> fuser?
[08:08] <fdoving> cosmo_: the command.
[08:09] <fdoving> cosmo_: fuser -vki path/to/file/beeing/used
[08:09] <fdoving> for example: fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[08:09] <fdoving> with sudo, or as root.
[08:10] <fdoving> brb.
[08:10] <Riddell> this looks good to have packaged http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2007/10/09/opensuse-xgl-settings/
[08:15] <cosmo_> how do I tell what process is using it, in ksysguard it doesnt show dpkg, apt, or adept
[08:20] <cosmo_> hmmm nm I may have gotten it to work
[08:25] <fdoving> Riddell: something like the 1-click install would also be very very nice. i'm testing opensuse 10.3 now, the 1-click install of for example media codecs is one of the pros.
[08:25] <fdoving> cosmo_: fuser tells you which process is using it, and with -vki options it will ask you if you want to kill it or not.
[08:25] <Riddell> fdoving: I believe it's to be discussed at UDS
[08:26] <fdoving> Riddell: good thing :)
[08:42] <sanotehu> I'm on Kubuntu Gutsy Beta. Twice now, I've closed the lid of my laptop, my session has been locked, and I've tried to unlock it only to find that the field where I'm supposed to enter my password isn't accepting any input. This isn't happening consistently and I can't figure out anything I'm doing that might be causing it.
[08:44] <fdoving> is that a dell?
[08:45] <sanotehu> fdoving, I'm using a Compaq Presario V3000z
[08:45] <fdoving> k, i had that issue on this dell too, i belive it's some issue with the keyboard controller version or something like that, there is a bug report.
[08:45] <fdoving> sanotehu: search ubuntuforums.org - there is atleast one thread about it.
[08:49] <sanotehu> fdoving, I'm not having much luck turning it up, got a link?
[08:49] <fdoving> hang on, i'll search for it.
[08:50] <sanotehu> thanks
[08:52] <cosmo_> I can now get adept to open, but when I try to run the command kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade" it asks for my password but then does nothing, any ideas?
[09:08] <sanotehu> back
[09:11] <fdoving> sanotehu: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=keyboard+resume&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[09:11] <fdoving> that was a long url.
[09:11] <sanotehu> fdoving, thanks!
[09:11] <fdoving> wow.
[09:11] <fdoving> go launchpad :)
[09:11] <fdoving> sanotehu: there are a few with much about the same reported issue.
[09:13] <awag> can anyone help me with a gutsy upgrade problem?
[09:14] <jpatrick> awag: what's troubling you?
[09:14] <awag> i'm using adept to upgrade, and i kept getting errors about the debconf and x11-common packages not being able to be upgraded
[09:14] <awag> and so i read on a forum to do dpkg --configure -a
[09:15] <awag> and i did that and rebooted
[09:15] <awag> and it got past the part where it does the debconf and x11 packages
[09:15] <jpatrick> awag: did you 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ?
[09:15] <awag> but now it gives me an error about a python package
[09:15] <awag> i did kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[09:16] <awag> should i do the apt-get dist-upgrade instead?
[09:17] <jpatrick> try and see what it says
[09:17] <jpatrick> and maybe 'update' first
[09:17] <awag> ok
[09:23] <awag> it says because i have unmet dependencies i should use apt-get -f install
[09:23] <awag> should i do apt-get -f dist-upgrade ?
[09:24] <jpatrick> -f install
[09:24] <awag> ok
[09:27] <awag> ok the dist-update is working now
[09:28] <awag> just downloading stuff, but hopefully it won't have the same problems i had before
[09:28] <awag> do you think the other problems were because i was using adept?
[09:29] <jpatrick> awag: no, I did I successful upgrade with it today
[09:30] <awag> oh
[09:30] <awag> if this doesn't work i guess i will just install from the cd
[09:36] <Lure> Riddell: I would say that digikam from my ppa is also fine for upload
[09:36] <Lure> more testers appreciated still
[09:37] <awag> jpatrick: it wants to know if i want to keep my `/etc/login.defs' or replace it, what should i do?
[09:38] <jpatrick> awag: no idea what that file does.. replace should be ok
[09:43] <ScottK> awag: In general unless it's a config file that you've modified, you should replace it.
[09:44] <awag> ok
[09:44] <awag> thanks
[09:44] <jpatrick> Lure: installing
[09:44] <Lure> jpatrick: ta
[09:52] <Riddell> Lure: uploading
[09:52] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[09:53] <davmor2> Riddell: do you know if bryce has uploaded the intel fix for bug 151311 ?
[09:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151311 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "DPI in kubuntu incorrect on xorg-video-driver-intel" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151311
[09:53] <Riddell> davmor2: I've not heard anything
[09:54] <Riddell> since he won't be around until monday evening we may be as well to try and clean it up without him
[09:54] <davmor2> I know nothing
[09:54] <ScottK> Wasn't there a xserver-xorg-video-intel build queued up earlier today?
[09:56] <davmor2> scottK: there is indeed :)
[09:56] <ScottK> Dunno what's in it, but it is there.
[09:56] <jpatrick> Lure: looks good, but I think I'm too late..
[09:56] <davmor2> don't know if it is the fix yet but I'll find out monday night :)
[09:56] <Lure> jpatrick: not too late, it still need approval to get in.. ;-)
[09:57] <jpatrick> ++ from me if I count
[09:57] <Lure> davmor2: I have just seen similar bug as yours on ati and there the conslusion is that panel has wrong edid entry and that driver cannot do much
[09:58] <Lure> davmor2: ati developer said it is obvious that 21 is in cm and it should be in mm (=210)
[10:00] <davmor2> Lure: no idea but it I'm almost certain your right.  However bryce added a patch to the bug and it seem to of rectified the issue :)
[10:02] <Lure> davmor2: that patch is ugly - I am concerned that it may break dpi elsewhere (not break in your terms, but switch to 96 dpi even though it is not)
[10:02] <davmor2> Pass I'm just happy that it works now :)
[10:06] <Riddell> Lure: better than having a dpi of 100x800 or whatever it was
[10:07] <Lure> Riddell: I know, it will help davmor2, but may change fonts for many other users potentially
[10:31] <nixternal> Riddell: I just finished the Kubuntu Documentation package, worked out all of the kinks, tested the hell out of it, and I am uploading it to my server so you can grab and commit the final package for Gutsy! \o/
[10:37] <mhb> Riddell: still alive?
[10:37] <Riddell> mhb: briefly
[10:37] <Riddell> nixternal: great
[10:38] <davmor2> Lure: true and a proper fixed would be nice.  But for now I'm happy that I have a working system :)
[10:38] <mhb> Riddell: I've done a small presentation thingie in the train that you may want to take a look at ... just let me upload it
[10:38] <Lure> davmor2: I know, I am just a bit concern about such last minute changes that impact all drivers
[10:39] <davmor2> Lure: I reported back in tribe 5
[10:39] <Lure> davmor2: but more than I think about it, benefit of patch is bigger than potential danger of it
[10:39] <Lure> davmor2: yep, sometimes bugs are not addressed for long time and they get escalated very late
[10:41] <davmor2> Lure: But that is what the rc is for isn't it ;)
[10:41] <Lure> davmor2: problem is that there is only one week between rc and release ;-)
[10:42] <Lure> davmor2: but actually I only had this week to work on fixes (travelling for most of other weeks of gutsy cycle)
[10:42] <mhb> Riddell: mhb.ath.cx/kubuntu/snips.odp
[10:43] <Riddell> got it, going out now I'm afraid
[10:44] <ScottK> And there's a fair production lead, so everything has to be uploaded in build in the next ~60 hours
[10:44] <mhb> Riddell: no problem, there's just one point I wanted to address at UDS, perhaps you could do that for me
[10:44] <mhb> Riddell: so read it sometime later and tell me if you could
[10:45] <davmor2> Lure: no it isn't a week :P we start testing again monday night :)
[10:45] <nosrednaekim> lol
[10:46] <Lure> Riddell: no need to be afraid for going out ;-)
[10:46] <davmor2> unless it's halloween :D
[10:48] <jjesse> evening
[10:48] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp
[10:48] <nixternal> there you go!
[10:48] <nixternal> wasabi jjesse
[10:48] <jjesse> long week at the Altiris developer confrence
[10:49] <nixternal> have fun?
[10:49] <jjesse> just recovering from the nighlty parties and being in sessions from 8am to 7pm :(
[10:50] <mhb> jjesse: lucky you
[10:50] <mhb> :o)
[10:50] <jjesse> its a great time actually but man i'm tired
[10:51] <mhb> the only conference I can attend easily is the Microsoft Fest at our uni
[10:51] <jjesse> i had to attend because of work
[10:51] <jjesse> so i didn't "get" to attend it was work all week long
[10:52] <lontra> has the konqueror profile gone back to the default konqueror profile in 7.10?
[11:10] <jjesse> ok this is a bit frustrating, on the two computers i have (both running gutsy) i'm not getting full page loads
[11:11] <mhb> good night folks, and have a nice weekened
[11:11] <jjesse> when i boot into windows i don't have this problem
[11:23] <rouzic> Hi everybodi!