[01:21] <filthpig> the timezones are messed up
[01:21] <Moduliz0r> heh
[01:21] <USMarine> alex_mayorga: also do after sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals --composite -d 24
[01:21] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser, any "automatic" way?
[01:21] <Stevethepirate> ChaosParser: like, no /dev/dsp, no /proc/asound, no audio in general
[01:21] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: Not if the proper resolution isn't listed under screen resolution, no.
[01:21] <Demize> Gusty is awesome.
[01:22] <USMarine> you don't need guts with gutsy
[01:22] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser, let me try, hope I'll not worsen it
[01:22] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: its really simple, I promise.
[01:22] <filthpig> the ubuntu installer says london/UK is GMT+1 and Central Europe is +2, but London -is- GMT, and central europe is gmt+1
[01:22] <USMarine> alex_mayorga: back it up before you edit it
[01:22] <FrankH> is anyone having trouble with the master volume control in gutsy?
[01:22] <Demize> Gusty is great without sound/etc/modules.
[01:22] <Demize> ...
[01:22] <Demize> No idea why that happened...
[01:22] <ChaosParser> FrankH: Nope.
[01:23] <Stevethepirate> ChaosParser: any ideas?
[01:23] <savvas> Stevethepirate: cat /etc/modules
[01:23] <FrankH> i'm using an intel sound card with a conextant chip
[01:23] <filthpig> igh, I'm in windows
[01:23] <FrankH> the volume is full blast all the time
[01:23] <savvas> Stevethepirate: do you see snd-hda-intel there?
[01:24] <Stevethepirate> no, fuse and lp
[01:24] <alex_mayorga> USMarine, what about dpkg-reconfigure something
[01:24] <savvas> Stevethepirate: sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[01:24] <savvas> Stevethepirate: alsamixer
[01:24] <USMarine> alex_mayorga: try that
[01:24] <Stevethepirate> FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found.
[01:24] <savvas> hm
[01:24] <USMarine> but don't use something
[01:24] <alex_mayorga> USMarine, what would be something?
[01:25] <Stevethepirate> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[01:25] <USMarine> rather xserver-xorg
[01:25] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser, on the file you mentioned I see my card as Failsafe Device, is that right?
[01:26] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: Don't actually worry about the contents of the file other than the resolutions.  anywhere you see resolutions listed, just put the one you want in front of them in the same format.
[01:26] <savvas> Stevethepirate: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto?highlight=%28hda%29
[01:27] <FrankH> Stevethepirate:  that didn't work
[01:28] <USMarine> alex_mayorga: sudo nvidia-xconfig --mode=1600x1200
[01:28] <FrankH> checking website
[01:29] <USMarine> sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals --composite -d 24  nvidia-xconfig --mode=1600x1200
[01:29] <USMarine> oops
[01:29] <USMarine> sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals --composite -d 24  --mode=1600x1200
[01:29] <alex_mayorga> USMarine, would that be the same as ChaosParser suggest?
[01:29] <savvas> FrankH: you mean recompiling alsa?
[01:29] <FrankH> this card worked with the previous two releases of ubuntu. not sure why it doesn't work now.
[01:29] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: Nope.  What I said is safer.
[01:30] <USMarine> alex_mayorga: nop, you could break xorg easier by doing what he said
[01:30] <ChaosParser> oh please.  one resolution is hardly going to break xorg.
[01:30] <ChaosParser> And its not like its hard to fix.
[01:31] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: wanna just pastebin the entirety of your xorg?
[01:31] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser, of course, why not
[01:31] <alex_mayorga> !pastebin
[01:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:32] <Moduliz0r> i have an idea for the ubuntu pastebin service
[01:32] <nzero> k
[01:32] <Moduliz0r> when you post something, it could automatically post in the channel that <theirname> has posted something to the pastebin at <url to post>
[01:32] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser, actually I can attach it to this bug 146706 if you thin it's useful
[01:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146706 in xorg "[Gutsy Beta]  Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146706
[01:32] <Moduliz0r> they do that in the Free Pascal room
[01:33] <Moduliz0r> channel*
[01:33] <nzero> could become troublesome
[01:33] <nzero> flood the channel
[01:33] <Moduliz0r> it doesn't seem to get abused at freepascal
[01:33] <savvas> Stevethepirate: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-ubuntu-modules-`uname -r`
[01:33] <PSPJunkie> Was directed here :D
[01:33] <PSPJunkie> [19:32]  <PSPJunkie> Hey, I run they gutsy beta on my macbook, and it ran fine until i let adept_update update my comp, and now it doesn't want to charge.
[01:33] <PSPJunkie> [19:32]  <PSPJunkie> Anyone know a fix?
[01:33] <PSPJunkie> (Why type it twice, right?)
[01:33] <Stevethepirate> savvas: wait a sec
[01:34] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: Did you have absolutely no graphics wit the live cd?
[01:34] <Moduliz0r> yay updates finished
[01:34] <savvas> Stevethepirate: oh, you're trying the alsa compilation? do try it, i think that works for the most of you
[01:34] <Stevethepirate> savvas: yeah.. asking a #alsa dude is a long shot though :P
[01:34] <nzero> man i am having major graphics issues all of a sudden
[01:34] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser, I'm actually seeing other bug I think, my video used to work flawlessly on Tribe 5, but latest updates broke it :(
[01:35] <alex_mayorga> I didn't used the live cd, just aptitude dist-upgrade, but is the exact same card
[01:35] <savvas> Stevethepirate: you have the info on the wiki help site I pasted before
[01:35] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: I'd hardly call a minor resolution issue broken.... unless there are other issues?
[01:35] <Moduliz0r> why do I have Desktop twice in my Places menu?
[01:35] <nzero> wait this a global bug thing
[01:35] <Stevethepirate> savvas: yeah.. i'll look at that.. rather trying the human support first here..
[01:35] <Stevethepirate> don't wanna screw something up
[01:36] <nzero> my broken X system will heal from updates
[01:36] <alex_mayorga> let say that almost anything is usable at 800*600 nowadays
[01:36] <alex_mayorga> Moduliz0r, known bug
[01:37] <savvas> Stevethepirate: well ok, if you're not doing anything else, at least try reinstall the modules, the --reinstall command I said previously
[01:37] <Stevethepirate> yeah
[01:37] <Moduliz0r> ok
[01:37] <Stevethepirate> done that
[01:37] <Stevethepirate> get an error
[01:37] <Stevethepirate> i'll pastebin it
[01:37] <savvas> Stevethepirate: ok waiting :)
[01:37] <alex_mayorga> Moduliz0r, bug 122602
[01:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122602 in gnome-panel "Duplicated entries in Places Menu" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122602
[01:37] <Moduliz0r> will updates fix it?
[01:38] <savvas> no updates will fix you!
[01:38] <Moduliz0r> oh
[01:38] <Stevethepirate> savvas: http://pastebin.ca/733638
[01:38] <Moduliz0r> yeah^^
[01:38] <Moduliz0r> just read what the bot said :P
[01:38] <alex_mayorga> Moduliz0r, don't know, I've pulled every update minutes ago and I still see the duplicates
[01:38] <Moduliz0r> hmm
[01:39] <DM|> anyone else ever experience a vfat USB HDD suddenly turning read only?
[01:39] <savvas> Stevethepirate: sudo apt-get install timidity && sudo apt-get -f install
[01:40] <FrankH> Stevethepirate:  when i adjust the PCM in alsamixer that works
[01:40] <schwiz> someone jsut referred me here.  I am having problems getting ubuntu installed.  when i load the 7.04 cd I get the boot menu but when i select install/live I just get a blank screen even if I select gui safe mode.  So someone told me to try 7.10 but when I try that it can't see my RAID array it only sees 3 seperate disks
[01:40] <wims> anyone know any compiz fusion repositories for gutsy ?
[01:40] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser, USMarine, so how do I go about getting a better resolution for my video?
[01:40] <mc44> wims: it comes with compiz fusion...
[01:40] <wims> oh ok
[01:40] <Stevethepirate> savvas: same error
[01:40] <Moduliz0r> "Not all updates can be installed"
[01:40] <Moduliz0r> ?
[01:41] <alex_mayorga> schwiz, it might be you need the alternate disk
[01:41] <Moduliz0r> Partial Upgrade?
[01:41] <Moduliz0r> whats going on
[01:41] <savvas> Stevethepirate: sudo dpkg --configure timidity
[01:41] <savvas> Moduliz0r: you're being terrorized by updates
[01:41] <Moduliz0r> OH GOD
[01:41] <schwiz> raid install disk?  where can I find that?
[01:41] <Moduliz0r> what do i do!?
[01:41] <Stevethepirate> savvas: same errors
[01:41] <savvas> Moduliz0r: you partial upgrade, reboot, and install the rest :p
[01:41] <Moduliz0r> ok
[01:42] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: just edit the xorg.
[01:42] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: it really takes less than 2 minutes to fix.
[01:42] <DM|> Anyone know what mount option i should put in nautillus to have a USB HDD to mount under a non root group id
[01:42] <Stevethepirate> savvas: like, won't dpkg
[01:43] <savvas> Stevethepirate: were you... installing/reinstall alsa or something?
[01:43] <Stevethepirate> dist-upgrade
[01:43] <Stevethepirate> to gutsy
[01:43] <robinson> running Gutsy Kubuntu on my laptop. For volume control, the master channel has no effect on volume, but PCM does.. How do i fix this?
[01:43] <robinson> or, how can i map the laptop volume buttons to control the PCM channel instead?
[01:43] <FrankH> robinson:  same problem
[01:43] <robinson> seems to be an Alsa problem..
[01:44] <robinson> running alsamixer in the console yields the same results
[01:44] <robinson> does it do the same in Ubnutu/GNome?
[01:44] <savvas> Stevethepirate: your apt is broken :\
[01:44] <FrankH> robinson:  did you have the same problem in feisty?
[01:44] <Stevethepirate> savvas: lies :P
[01:44] <Stevethepirate> well.
[01:44] <robinson> FrankH: no, worked fine
[01:44] <Stevethepirate> let me remove timidity
[01:44] <Stevethepirate> and reget it?
[01:44] <savvas> Stevethepirate: sudo dpkg -r timidity
[01:45] <FrankH> me too
[01:45] <savvas> Stevethepirate: try :)
[01:45] <Stevethepirate> okay
[01:45] <Stevethepirate> now?
[01:45] <savvas> sure
[01:45] <Moduliz0r> steam wont believe Cedega that I'm running XP :(
[01:45] <FrankH> can we get a bug report filed for this?
[01:45] <robinson> FrankH: i have located the xmodmap file that tells the volume buttons what to do, but i dont know what to change the entries to for PCM to be affteced
[01:45] <savvas> we have 5 more minutes till I crash
[01:45] <Stevethepirate> sudo apt-get install timidity?
[01:45] <aaroncampbell> How can I tell KDE to use 1680x1050 for my monitor?  I have an ATI card
[01:46] <boris55> will the 3d effects be on the live cd or do I need to intall?
[01:46] <Moduliz0r> i'll be back in a bit
[01:46] <Stevethepirate> savvas: same error now
[01:46] <savvas> Stevethepirate: try again: sudo apt-get -f install
[01:46] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser, this is the only line that seems a resolution in there Modes		"800x600"
[01:46] <Stevethepirate> fail
[01:46] <Stevethepirate> should i try a new mirror quick?
[01:46] <Stevethepirate> or something
[01:47] <savvas> hrm..
[01:47] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser, where do I add the new one, please excuse my lack of knowledge on all this
[01:47] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: so throw the resolution you want in front of it.
[01:47] <ChaosParser> ex:
[01:47] <Stevethepirate> savvas: is that a yes/no?
[01:47] <savvas> Stevethepirate: apt-cache policy timidity
[01:47] <ChaosParser> Modes "1024x768" "800x600"
[01:47] <alex_mayorga> OKy
[01:47] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: Then save, and restart your xserver with a ctrl+alt_backspace
[01:48] <Stevethepirate> Installed: 2.13.2-15ubuntu1
[01:48] <Stevethepirate>   Candidate: 2.13.2-15ubuntu1
[01:48] <Stevethepirate>   Version table:
[01:48] <Stevethepirate>  *** 2.13.2-15ubuntu1 0
[01:48] <Stevethepirate>         500 http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za gutsy/universe Packages
[01:48] <Stevethepirate>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[01:48] <savvas> it's ok
[01:48] <Stevethepirate> so, what does that entail?
[01:48] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser, restarting, thanks, let see how it goes
[01:48] <savvas> Stevethepirate: try again: sudo dpkg -r timidity-interfaces-extra
[01:49] <Stevethepirate> done that
[01:49] <Stevethepirate> now?
[01:49] <savvas> Stevethepirate: no errors? continue: sudo dpkg -r timidity
[01:49] <Stevethepirate> oka
[01:49] <Stevethepirate> both removed
[01:49] <Stevethepirate> now?
[01:49] <savvas> Stevethepirate: sudo apt-get -f install
[01:49] <robinson> FrankH: looks like a bug report is filed
[01:50] <robinson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/alsa-driver/+bug/149622
[01:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149622 in alsa-driver "Only PCM volume control takes effect" [Unknown,In progress] 
[01:50] <FrankH> robinson:  cool
[01:50] <robinson> d@mn, that was cool
[01:50] <Stevethepirate> savvas: mustn't i re apt-get timidity?
[01:50] <robinson> that guy even has my exact model of laptop
[01:50] <savvas> Stevethepirate: if it wants it, it will ask for it
[01:50] <FrankH> thanks for your help Stevethepirate and robinson
[01:50] <Stevethepirate> FrankH: me?
[01:51] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser, didn't help I'm back at 800*600 :(
[01:51] <Stevethepirate> i haven't helped.
[01:51] <Stevethepirate> but okaty
[01:51] <FrankH> alsa problem
[01:51] <savvas> Stevethepirate: well?
[01:51] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser, thank you anyway
[01:51] <FrankH> later
[01:52] <savvas> sorry to rush you, but I'm a bit tired, I'd like to get this done and go :)
[01:52] <PSPJunkie> Well, if anyone knows why the macbook won't charge, i'd appreciate it, i know you guys are busy
[01:52] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: that's... odd, I'm sorry.
[01:53] <alex_mayorga> PSPJunkie, do you have the latest updates
[01:53] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: Pastebin your xorg?
[01:53] <PSPJunkie> alex_mayorga: I have the first beta installed. charging was fine until i let adept get all the updates
[01:54] <Stevethepirate> savvas: still no sound.
[01:54] <Stevethepirate> :(
[01:54] <savvas> Stevethepirate: who cares about the sound! i'm fixing your apt! :p
[01:54] <alex_mayorga> PSPJunkie, do  sudo aptitude update and then sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[01:55] <savvas> Stevethepirate: no errors in the apt-get -f install ?
[01:55] <alex_mayorga> PSPJunkie, I saw a bunch of ACPI updates lately
[01:55] <Stevethepirate> savvas: no problems any more
[01:55] <Stevethepirate> however
[01:55] <Stevethepirate> still no sound
[01:55] <PSPJunkie> Okay, thanks
[01:55] <savvas> Stevethepirate: try again: sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[01:55] <Stevethepirate> i'll come back tomorrow
[01:55] <MasterShrek> PSPJunkie, i got the psp toolchain installed finally :)
[01:55] <PSPJunkie> Nice :D
[01:56] <Stevethepirate> savvas: that returns nothing
[01:56] <PSPJunkie> Let me know if you need help
[01:56] <savvas> ;)
[01:56] <MasterShrek> now i gotta figure out how to use it, things dont like to compile for me
[01:56] <savvas> Stevethepirate: alsamixer
[01:56] <Stevethepirate> wtf
[01:56] <Stevethepirate> wtf
[01:56] <Stevethepirate> now alsamixer works
[01:56] <Stevethepirate> nice
[01:56] <Stevethepirate> nice
[01:56] <Stevethepirate> nice
[01:56] <savvas> Stevethepirate: press ESCAPE :p
[01:56] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40318/
[01:56] <PSPJunkie> MasterShrek: Can you compile any of the samples?
[01:56] <savvas> Stevethepirate: gksu gedit /etc/modules
[01:57] <PSPJunkie> MasterShrek: Rather, answer that in #psp-programming xD
[01:57] <savvas> Stevethepirate: add this in a new line: snd-hda-intel
[01:57] <Stevethepirate> No suitable demux plugin. This often means that the file format is not supported.
[01:57] <Stevethepirate> okay
[01:57] <Stevethepirate> added
[01:57] <savvas> Stevethepirate: add one more empty line
[01:57] <savvas> save & exit
[01:57] <Stevethepirate> okay
[01:57] <Stevethepirate> done
[01:58] <Stevethepirate> now, demux?
[01:58] <Stevethepirate> "No suitable demux plugin. This often means that the file format is not supported."
[01:58] <savvas> Stevethepirate: reboot that machine
[01:58] <Stevethepirate> get that in amarok
[01:58] <Stevethepirate> okay
[01:58] <Stevethepirate> brb
[01:59] <Moduliz0r> how do I bring up the main compiz config?
[01:59] <savvas> if I got $1 for each person I helped, I'd be a millionnaire :p
[01:59] <alex_mayorga> savvas, It'll come, eventually
[01:59] <Moduliz0r> if I got 1 for each person I'd annoyed, I'd be a billionaire
[02:01] <Moduliz0r> if it's compiz fusion, how do I get my magically nice themes up?
[02:01] <savvas> you mean emerald?
[02:01] <Moduliz0r> yeh
[02:01] <Stevethepirate> savvas: okay, back
[02:02] <savvas> Stevethepirate: sudo apt-get install lame vorbis-tools flac ffmpeg liblame0
[02:02] <savvas> (yeah lame ;p)
[02:02] <savvas> Moduliz0r: there's emerald-themes, only emerald package I'm afraid
[02:03] <Moduliz0r> ok
[02:03] <savvas> Moduliz0r: there's no* :)
[02:03] <Stevethepirate> savvas:
[02:03] <Stevethepirate> okay done
[02:03] <Moduliz0r> do you know how I get my compiz config gui open?
[02:03] <Moduliz0r> i dont know all my hotkeys, etc
[02:03] <savvas> Stevethepirate: close and restart amarok and try play your files
[02:04] <Stevethepirate> No suitable demux plugin. This often means that the file format is not supported.
[02:04] <savvas> Stevethepirate: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[02:04] <Stevethepirate> amarok seems to think its using xine as decoder
[02:04] <Stevethepirate> ubuntu
[02:05] <savvas> Stevethepirate: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-gl gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse
[02:05] <Stevethepirate> oh
[02:05] <Stevethepirate> thats whu
[02:05] <Stevethepirate> *why
[02:05] <Stevethepirate> i had gstreamer 8
[02:05] <savvas> let's hope so
[02:06] <Stevethepirate> lol @ the package names..
[02:06] <Stevethepirate> -ugly
[02:06] <Stevethepirate> 0bad
[02:06] <Stevethepirate> *-bad
[02:06] <Stevethepirate> lols
[02:06] <savvas> hey, don't mock them! :P they are ugly open-source-wise! :P
[02:06] <Stevethepirate> lol
[02:06] <Stevethepirate> ldconfig taking its sweet time.
[02:06] <savvas> Moduliz0r: the config's not installed by default
[02:07] <Moduliz0r> what package is the config?
[02:07] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: ever get your monitor working correctly? resolution that is?
[02:07] <savvas> Moduliz0r: compizconfig-settings-manager
[02:07] <Moduliz0r> thanks
[02:07] <savvas> n/p :)
[02:07] <megaqwerty> really quick question. In Pidgin, where is Direct Connect located?
[02:07] <savvas> bastid_raZor: yeah he fixed it, now we're fixing the sound ;p
[02:08] <bastid_raZor> savvas: awesome. seems him and i both had similiar issues with different fixes.
[02:08] <savvas> bastid_raZor: you don't want to see the log :P
[02:08] <sonic_> Having issues burning with k3b in gutsy.  Im trying to burn an ISO and I keep getting "Cdrecord has no permission to open device"
[02:08] <Stevethepirate> savvas: same error
[02:09] <bastid_raZor> savvas: heh
[02:09] <pestilence> the brightness and crt/lcd function button combos stopped working for me in gutsy.  any ideas on how to get them working again?
[02:09] <savvas> Stevethepirate: try play the files in totem
[02:09] <megaqwerty> sonic_: you need to open k3b as root i.e. gksudo k3b
[02:09] <robinson> sonic: had the same problem trying to burn an audio cd
[02:10] <sonic_> well that doesnt sound like a very prefferable solution
[02:10] <Stevethepirate> Audio codec 'MPEG 1 Layer 3 VBR' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies
[02:10] <savvas> whaaa
[02:10] <robinson> megaqwerty: didnt have that problem in feisty
[02:10] <megaqwerty> robinson: *shrugs* I did
[02:10] <sonic_> Ive been using k3b fine since edgy
[02:10] <robinson> they need to add "k3bsetup"
[02:10] <Stevethepirate> sonic_: try nero linux 3 :P
[02:10] <savvas> Stevethepirate: sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg libxine1-plugins
[02:11] <sonic_> I did remove evms cause I was having cpu hogging issues and swap wasnt loading
[02:11] <sonic_> could that be a cause
[02:11] <Stevethepirate> victory
[02:11] <savvas> finally!
[02:11] <Stevethepirate> ubotu: +1 savvas
[02:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 1 savvas - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:11] <sinX_> so, if I have gutsy beta, do I now have RC?
[02:12] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[02:12] <sonic_> and no. I have no interest in nero.  Ive been using k3b since red hat 7.1.  I happen to love it
[02:12] <savvas> lol
[02:12] <Stevethepirate> the sound actually -sounds- better
[02:12] <Stevethepirate> like seriously
[02:12] <savvas> yeah, the no sound experience is bad :p
[02:12] <Stevethepirate> no
[02:12] <Stevethepirate> like, i'm listening on my B&W's
[02:12] <savvas> Stevethepirate: next time you break the apt, I'll personally come and kill you! :p
[02:12] <Stevethepirate> and its hot :P
[02:13] <Stevethepirate> savvas: i think its our local mirror that is f**ked
[02:13] <Stevethepirate> savvas: B&W speakers + Yamaha amp >> *
[02:13] <Stevethepirate> wait
[02:13] <Stevethepirate> i missed something
[02:13] <savvas> Stevethepirate: hm.. well change to another one, uk.archive.ubuntu.com has been very good to me
[02:13] <pestilence> what i'd like to know is how you get sound in black and white.
[02:13] <Stevethepirate> savvas: this mirror is local for me..
[02:13] <Stevethepirate> [i'm at university] 
[02:14] <Stevethepirate> so, we own leg.uct.ac.za
[02:14] <Stevethepirate> :P
[02:14] <stdin> sonic_: what does "ls -l /dev/dvd" show?
[02:14] <savvas> oooh...
[02:14] <savvas> :\
[02:14] <tonyyarusso> So, I just upgraded to Gutsy, and I want to mess with desktop effects stuff, which I just enabled.  However, I can't figure out what I need to press to activate the 'scale' plugin, nor how to find a nice interface for configuring options.
[02:14] <savvas> gimme gimme!
[02:14] <savvas> lol
[02:14] <Stevethepirate> savvas: the thing is.. i think i was part way though a dist-upgrade when they were updating server
[02:14] <Stevethepirate> thats what i rate
[02:14] <lee__> Hello
[02:14] <sonic_> stdin: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-10-11 16:06 /dev/dvd -> scd0
[02:14] <savvas> Stevethepirate: probably, that's why update-manager -d is not a good idea :)
[02:14] <Stevethepirate> lols
[02:15] <Stevethepirate> u from england?
[02:15] <Stevethepirate> [guessing from the mirror] 
[02:15] <savvas> no, serbia :p
[02:15] <stdin> sonic_: that's ok, now what about "ls -l /dev/scd0" ?
[02:15] <Stevethepirate> luls
[02:15] <Stevethepirate> ze Russians ?
[02:15] <Stevethepirate> :P
[02:15] <savvas> the rs. mirrors are 1-2 weeks behind
[02:15] <lee__> how do we chance the text size?
[02:15] <sonic_> stdin: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2007-10-11 11:06 /dev/scd0
[02:15] <savvas> I'm serbian / cypriot actually
[02:15] <Stevethepirate> hmm
[02:15] <Stevethepirate> interesting
[02:15] <savvas> I study here though, so I use this nationality :P
[02:15] <Stevethepirate> Lols
[02:16] <alex_mayorga> tonyyarusso, sudo aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager
[02:16] <megaqwerty> really quick question. In Pidgin, where is Direct Connect located?
[02:16] <Stevethepirate> savvas: my dads visiting belgrade next week..
[02:16] <alex_mayorga> savvas, want another cookie? :)
[02:16] <tonyyarusso> alex_mayorga: thanks, I'll try that.
[02:16] <stdin> sonic_: so far so good, "ls -l /usr/bin/wodim"
[02:16] <Stevethepirate> for some random reason :P
[02:17] <Stevethepirate> anyways
[02:17] <sonic_> stdin: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 359116 2007-09-16 17:17 /usr/bin/wodim
[02:17] <Stevethepirate> i'm broken
[02:17] <savvas> alex_mayorga: can it wait? :P what's the problem?
[02:17] <Stevethepirate> 15 hours of linux-fixing and coding...
[02:17] <alex_mayorga> tonyyarusso, then System > Prefs> Adfvanced Desktop Effects
[02:17] <Stevethepirate> rapage
[02:17] <robinson> sonic: so far, all my stuff has been the same as yours too
[02:17] <sonic_> stdin: could me removing evms have any impact?
[02:17] <lee__> woa this is cool
[02:17] <stdin> sonic_: there's the problem... it's got the wrong permissions
[02:17] <robinson> what is evms?
[02:17] <savvas> lol Stevethepirate :) enjoy your system ;)
[02:17] <alex_mayorga> savvas, I'm stuck at 800*600
[02:17] <Stevethepirate> savvas: speak laters
[02:18] <lee__> let me guess right after the update right?
[02:18] <megaqwerty> nevermind. My friend doesn't have the functionality which is why the option didn't show up
[02:18] <savvas> alex_mayorga: screens & graphics or screen resolution don't work?
[02:18] <stdin> sonic_: do "sudo chmod u+s /usr/bin/wodim"
[02:18] <stdin> then try k3b again
[02:19] <lee__> I just found the text and fonts where oyu can minuplate the text and fonts and change em to different chars lol didn't know that you could do that with this thing
[02:19] <sonic_> stdin: ok.  Ive never heard of wodim
[02:19] <stdin> sonic_: it's the replacement for cdrecord
[02:19] <thespore> Well, not sure what happened but I just restarted and my resolution is stuck at 640x480, xorg.conf looks fine
[02:19] <robinson> stdin: what does that command do? I assume it alters permissions on the file, but what are the u+s switches for?
[02:19] <thespore> nvidia drivers are enabled
[02:20] <savvas> alex_mayorga: ?
[02:20] <alex_mayorga> I see graphics, but only at 800*600 def
[02:20] <savvas> ah
[02:20] <bastid_raZor> savvas: your the resolution king~!
[02:20] <stdin> robinson: u+s = suid
[02:20] <alex_mayorga> savvas, my xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40318/
[02:20] <bastid_raZor> your== you're
[02:20] <sonic_> stdin:  ahh ok.  what was the default in fiesty.  cdrecord or wodim?
[02:20] <lee__> oops gutsy is missing its pcm contol
[02:20] <stdin> sonic_: wodim iirc
[02:21] <savvas> alex_mayorga: no i meant go to the menu: system > administration > screens & graphics and try change it there
[02:21] <sonic_> stdin: ok, well Im removing cdrecord then because I installed it trying to fix this issue
[02:21] <stdin> sonic_: yep, the package cdrecord is a dummy package for wodim
[02:21] <sonic_> stdin: ok, so its transitional I can remove it yes?
[02:21] <lee__> wodim?
[02:21] <lee__> eh is thtin the update or?
[02:22] <savvas> hm.. failsafe..
[02:22] <sonic_> stdin: cdrecord that is
[02:22] <thespore> anyone know why I'm stuck at 640x480?  Nvidia drivers enabled and xorg.conf looks okay
[02:22] <savvas> bastid_raZor: thanks :p
[02:22] <savvas> thespore: can you paste you xorg.conf?
[02:22] <savvas> !paste | thespore
[02:22] <thespore> savvas, sure
[02:22] <ubotu> thespore: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:22] <stdin> sonic_: you probably want to keep it
[02:22] <lee__> its happening to all of us with the gutsy disk
[02:22] <thespore> savvas, yeah i know ;)
[02:23] <sonic_> stdin: well it wasnt installed by default. I just added it while I was troubleshooting
[02:23] <stdin> sonic_: it has a link from /usr/bin/cdrecord to /usr/bin/wodim (some apps will need this)
[02:23] <savvas> thespore: I'm just helping alex_mayorga, I want to compare, you have similar problem
[02:23] <lee__> after upgrading it takes everyhting away
[02:23] <sonic_> stdin: interesting
[02:23] <thespore> savvas, ah okay
[02:23] <thespore> http://www.pastebin.org/4642
[02:23] <alex_mayorga> savvas, 800*600 is as good as it gets there
[02:23] <stdin> sonic_: you said on feisty, and on feisty is it
[02:23] <lee__> it happend to me right after I upgraded
[02:24] <alex_mayorga> thespore, what card you've got?
[02:24] <lee__> well at least that is my thory
[02:24] <Moduliz0r> how do I pair a bluetooth device? such as a headset?
[02:24] <darkzero> hey all
[02:24] <thespore> nvidia geforce fx 5500
[02:24] <lee__> ati x300
[02:24] <stdin> sonic_: it's a bit different in gutsy, I'd recommend doing "sudo apt-get --purge remove cdrecord" and "sudo apt-get --reinstall install wodim"
[02:25] <lee__> I was able to change modes the screen modes but refresh reates were stuck in 60 mhz
[02:25] <savvas> alex_mayorga: you have a laptop?
[02:25] <darkzero> Anyone here know a fix to totem-xine where it shows a green bar line during video play
[02:25] <robinson> stdin: had to reboor after an update, did i miss anything important regarding k3b?
[02:25] <thespore> In screens and graphics it let's me choose between 640x480 and 320x240.. but 320x240 is not defined in xorg.conf
[02:25] <megaqwerty> darkzero: I just had that a while ago. Hold on
[02:25] <robinson> last thing i did was add u+s to wodim
[02:25] <alex_mayorga> savva, yes, but it's hocked up to my LCD TV, because the LCD on it is broken :(
[02:26] <Moduliz0r> does the bluetooth "network service" let others use the net through you?
[02:26] <tsb> Upgrading to gutsy from feisty is a simple s/feisty/gutsy in the official repos in sources.list && dist-upgrade right?
[02:26] <alex_mayorga> savva, let me restart X, I've changed the display to the LCD
[02:26] <stdin> robinson: just that the package cdrecord seems to stop it working
[02:26] <robinson> is this installed by default?
[02:26] <megaqwerty> darkzero: I did a couple things, I'm not sure which one fixed it... I restarted compiz, and then tried running totem from a terminal. Afterwards, it worked perfectly
[02:27] <savvas> alex_mayorga: ok
[02:27] <thespore> tsb, should if you are only using the official repos
[02:27] <robinson> nevermind, i dont have it installed
[02:27] <megaqwerty> darkzero: after that, I could run totem regularly without any problems
[02:27] <alex_mayorga> savvas, you can get to thespore now ;)
[02:27] <stdin> tsb: that's not the best way
[02:27] <tsb> thespore: sure, I have a few like for skype etc, but..
[02:27] <savvas> I think I'll be going to my bed :p
[02:27] <tsb> stdin: why not?
[02:27] <alex_mayorga> but definitely the latest updates shoot nvidia legacy cards on the foot
[02:27] <stdin> tsb: because you won't get everything like that
[02:27] <thespore> savvas, gonna leave me hangin? noooooo!
ok, let see I can tried it
[02:28] <stdin> tsb: you on kubuntu?
[02:28] <tsb> stdin: Does adept do something magic? Isn't it justa clicky-click fromtend for apt-get?
[02:28] <tsb> stdin: yep
[02:28] <stdin> tsb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52
[02:28] <robinson> how can i set a default wireless network in KnetworkManager? i have read and asked, but it ALWAYS connects to my public network. I want my private network to be default
[02:28] <Moduliz0r> aww compiz just stopped working
[02:28] <stdin> tsb: adept installs package apt won'r
[02:28] <stdin> won't
[02:28] <robinson> i have moved my publix network to untrusted, and it just moves right back
[02:28] <MasterShrek> stdin, how so?
[02:28] <savvas> thespore: try remove the last two resolutions
[02:28] <tsb> stdin: okay. I actually tried adept, it crashed and burned
[02:28] <stdin> MasterShrek: it installs recommends
[02:28] <lee__> lol I got cdrecord pakage not installed lol
[02:28] <tsb> stdin: adept_manager right?
[02:28] <thespore> savvas, how do i go about that?
[02:29] <MasterShrek> yes tsb
ok,hmmm, not working for me
[02:29] <savvas> thespore: gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:29] <sonic_> stdin: nice.  its working good now
[02:29] <savvas> thespore: remove this: "800x600"        "640x480"
[02:29] <thespore> savvas, ohh duh thought you were talking about something else
[02:29] <stdin> tsb: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[02:29] <PirateHead> Did the RC make it to production today?
[02:29] <stdin> PriceChild: yep, it's out now
[02:29] <thespore> savvas, alright let me see what hapens
[02:29] <stdin> PirateHead:  yep, it's out now
[02:30] <lee__> well I enjoyed my graphics while I could.. the upgrades going o take it way now...byebye graphys..*mourns*
it has to be a video output
[02:30] <PirateHead> stdin: I think I see a link in the room header. =D
[02:30] <FrankH> what happened to the cube and alt-ctrl-up arrow thing in desktop effects?
[02:30] <megaqwerty> darkzero: I'm not sure I know what you mean
[02:30] <tsb> stdin: kdesu is borked on my computer (it only works like half the time), but I supposed sudo will do the same
[02:30] <sonic_> stdin: btw. Ive noticed a big improvement in linux cd writing I/O in the last few years.  I used to get 8-14KB/s  now Im getting around 30KB/s on the same drive
[02:30] <robinson> test
[02:30] <lee__> our updates take things away
[02:30] <thespore> savvas, well that worked.. weird
[02:30] <megaqwerty> FrankH: it's still there, but you have to enable it youself.
[02:31] <savvas> thespore: cheers ;)
[02:31] <thespore> savvas, thank you :)
[02:31] <lee__> I think its preparign us for the relase and a few things might interfere with it...would that be safe to say?
[02:31] <savvas> thespore: n/p
[02:31] <megaqwerty> FrankH: you need to have compizconfig-settings-manager installed to do so
[02:31] <FrankH> megaqwerty: i c
[02:31] <darkzero> Anyone else know a fix to totem-xine where it shows a green bar during video play on top
[02:31] <tonyyarusso> Why isn't compizconfig-settings-manager installed by default?
[02:31] <savvas> thespore: I've no idea why it does that, but it works, you practically force it to use the 1024x768
[02:32] <megaqwerty> tonyyarusso: I'm not entirely sure. Possibly because they want to make everything very simple
[02:32] <darkzero> I wonder why I can config totem output to play X11 enviroment
[02:32] <tonyyarusso> megaqwerty: Could be.  Hmm...
[02:32] <savvas> bastid_raZor: are you going to be here a lot?
[02:33] <thespore> savvas, yeah that's odd.. i don't understand how it lets me go to 320x240 when it's not defined in xorg.conf
[02:33] <thespore> we have some conflicting display configs somehow?
[02:33] <lee__> whts a "dovac" board?
[02:33] <BluesKaj> google earth is no longer launching after the latest update ...ati owners beware :(
[02:33] <tsb> Incidentally, is that bug fixed in gutsy? kdesu just stops working on my desktop after a bit of use..
[02:33] <lee__> understood
[02:33] <tonyyarusso> lee__: "dovac" or "Dvorak" you mean?
[02:34] <lee__> maybe we can refuse the update lol
[02:34] <darkzero> well, I'm going to do more testing and figure things out
[02:34] <megaqwerty> darkzero: okay, good luck
[02:34] <savvas> thespore: no idea my friend, ask nvidia or the xorg devs :P
[02:34] <thespore> lol
[02:34] <alex_mayorga> anyone seeing Bug #150010
[02:34] <lee__> its a key oard of some kind supeose to fit leftys and or rightys tonnyausso
[02:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150010 in ubuntu "Error starting GNOME Settings Daemon dialog" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150010
[02:34] <alex_mayorga> I can confirm it
[02:34] <thespore> well i don't care much, i'm sure the devs will catch it
[02:35] <lee__> well.
[02:35] <savvas> alex_mayorga: did you fix your resolution?
[02:35] <alex_mayorga> savvas, looks like changing the settings did the trick
[02:35] <lee__> upgrade has been intiatd..to late to stop it now lol
[02:36] <savvas> alex_mayorga: I'd tell you to remove the line that says: Depth 16
[02:36] <alex_mayorga> fixing a resolution is now point and click
[02:36] <savvas> alex_mayorga: but ok, glad it's fixed
[02:36] <alex_mayorga> savvas, what does that line means?
[02:36] <savvas> alex_mayorga: I think that forced it into 800x600, but if it works, don't touch! :P
[02:36] <alex_mayorga> good advise
[02:36] <savvas> oh yeah my cookie!
[02:37] <alex_mayorga> how can I work on confirming that bug
[02:37] <alex_mayorga> is there a bugs channel?
[02:37] <Bosambo> Hello all
[02:37] <lee__> waht was it google earth?
[02:37] <megaqwerty> alex_mayorga: I believe you would do that on launchpad
[02:37] <savvas> alex_mayorga: you add a comment and state "i confirm the bug" :p
[02:38] <lee__> wait then that means that the weather channels 3d mapping systems wont work either
[02:38] <savvas> alex_mayorga: also subscribe until the fix is released
[02:38] <alex_mayorga> OKs
[02:39] <lee__> ok going to google earth
[02:39] <savvas> well, good night everyone
[02:39] <tsb> A restart of X made kdesu workgain. That upgrade program seems neat.
[02:39] <lee__> I want to spy on my brother one last time lol
[02:39] <Bosambo> Quick question guys...Running an Nvidia GeForce3 Ti 200 with the 96.43.01 driver...everything works fine (compiz etc) The problem is that when I do updates I have to recompile the driver everytime the Kernel gets updated...is this normal behaviour?
[02:39] <tsb> I suppose kde 3.5.8 will be avaliable for kubuntu 7.10 after it is released?
[02:40] <megaqwerty> Bosambo: yes. If you installed it from the offical site, it is.
[02:40] <savvas> Bosambo: yes, new kernel needs new modules, unless you use the nvidia-glx
[02:40] <alex_mayorga> savvas, thanks a bunch
[02:40] <Bosambo> Ok, cheers lads
[02:40] <megaqwerty> Bosambo: if you use the Ubuntu package, it will automatically upgrade to one built for the new kernel
[02:40] <savvas> Bosambo: as a note, if you want to use nvidia-glx, you have to uninstall your nvidia drivers first
[02:41] <savvas> :)
[02:41] <alex_mayorga> :)
[02:41] <megaqwerty> huzzah! *crunch*
[02:41] <savvas> lol
[02:41] <savvas> alex_mayorga: n/p ;)
[02:41] <alex_mayorga> how do I go about installing other desktops other than gnome?
[02:41] <savvas> um.. sudo apt-get install kde ?
[02:41] <savvas> :P
[02:41] <megaqwerty> alex_mayorga: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-dekstop
[02:41] <lee__> I confrim also taht the adoby macromedia flash fails to load
[02:41] <savvas> ok i'm really off
[02:42] <megaqwerty> alex_mayorga:  I mean kubuntu-desktop
[02:42] <alex_mayorga> I'd like to try kubuntu and xubuntu and decide wich one suits me best
[02:42] <megaqwerty> alex_mayorga: or...for xubuntu, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[02:42] <alex_mayorga> megaqwerty, would that mix up things?
[02:42] <alex_mayorga> can I have the 3 flavors separately?
[02:42] <megaqwerty> alex_mayorga: no, it will give you choices as to which one you want to run when you reach the login screen
[02:43] <megaqwerty> alex_mayorga: yes, you can
[02:43] <megaqwerty> alex_mayorga: I think the option in the login screen is called "Session"
[02:43] <macogw> youd need to have 3 root partitions
[02:43] <alex_mayorga> megaqwerty, so I just aptitude install the other 2 and that's it?
[02:43] <macogw> megaqwerty: thats right
[02:43] <thespore> hmm, there's a hash sum mismatch when trying to install build-essential.. it's trying to get it from cd-rom, can i force it to get from repos?
[02:43] <megaqwerty> alex_mayorga: yep
[02:43] <thespore> using apt-get
[02:44] <megaqwerty> alex_mayorga: pretty awesome huh?
[02:44] <macogw> thespore: disable the cd-rom in your sources.list
[02:44] <alex_mayorga> ok, thank you all guys, you rock
[02:44] <lee__> how do you frce the loading of macromedia flahs?
[02:44] <megaqwerty> alex_mayorga: you're welcome
[02:44] <alex_mayorga> BRB
[02:44] <thespore> macogw, ahh it was first line.. didn't see it.. thanks ;)
[02:46] <lee__> hmm i am guessing some one was using a psp lol
[02:46] <alex_mayorga> how do I remove old kernels safely?
[02:46] <lee__> so how do you force fead macro media flash ihen the auto up date fails?
[02:46] <megaqwerty> alex_mayorga: just remove them in synaptic
[02:47] <megaqwerty> alex_mayorga: the package is called linux-image-something
[02:47] <alex_mayorga> cool, thanks yet again :)
[02:47] <lee__> or would synaptic have it?
[02:47] <megaqwerty> alex_mayorga: any time
[02:48] <megaqwerty> lee__: what do you mean force feed flash?
[02:49] <lee__> when I hit google maps it was trying to auto down load it said failed.
[02:49] <megaqwerty> lee__: what was the error?
[02:49] <lee__> eh just a sec..hold that thaught I have a more pressing concern atm
[02:49] <megaqwerty> lee__: alright
[02:50] <lee__> The upgrade is asking me if I want to replace or keep the configeration..did aany one else get that choice?
[02:50] <AirBender> you probably are in a 64 bits arquitecture...
[02:50] <lee__> me?
[02:50] <lee__> 64 bit?
[02:50] <AirBender> yeap?
[02:50] <AirBender> just saying...
[02:50] <AirBender> =)
[02:50] <megaqwerty> lee__: that depends...have you changed the configuration of that file yourself?
[02:50] <AirBender> (was before you write the message)
[02:51] <lee__> I don't know
[02:51] <megaqwerty> lee__: well, you probably would...If you haven't manually gone to that file, and changed it, you should probably choose replace
[02:51] <lee__> eh I am going to play it safe and kep, the last time I said change and my syems went to pieces
[02:51] <rankor> so i installed rc1 and i have no window decorations
[02:52] <rankor> google suggests this may be a faq but none of the resolutions seem to work
[02:52] <lee__> hmm
[02:52] <lee__> ok
[02:52] <rankor> i note that there are no emerald-themes, is that part of the problem?
[02:52] <megaqwerty> lee__: alright...the only downside would be if it was an incompatible config file...which would make that app no longer work.
[02:52] <lee__> mega I am going on a gut feelign with this one
[02:52] <rankor> this is of course with compiz not kwin
[02:52] <megaqwerty> lee__: alright, good luck
[02:52] <lee__> hmm
[02:53] <lee__> well I can always reload it lol
[02:53] <megaqwerty> this is true. (I'm assuming you know how)
[02:53] <sslashes> any idea how i can troubleshoot sound issues with wine (ie, the winecfg audio tags has a test sound button, and it doesn't play anything for me)
[02:53] <lee__> its this that it is configging
[02:53] <lee__> /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[02:54] <AirBender> Any one is having issues with Firefox since last updates?
[02:54] <lee__> This file should not be updated by hand.  Since GDM 2.13.0.4, configuration
[02:55] <IndyGunFreak> all the 7.10 ISO's have been pulled
[02:55] <megaqwerty> lee__: if it's gdm it's configuring, I think I'd let it do what it wants.  There's very little likelyhood that you would have changed that yourself
[02:56] <lee__> yeah I read it further and t made sence
[02:56] <lee__> I wnt with the changing oof it
[02:56] <megaqwerty> lee__: cool
[02:57] <lee__> its just my PC is so touchy
[02:57] <trevor> Gutsy help, right?
[02:57] <megaqwerty> trevor: correct
[02:57] <AirBender> yeap
[02:57] <trevor> Okay...  I'm having a problem upgrading
[02:57] <jj420> does compiz work better with the ati x300 in gutsy?
[02:57] <trevor> Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty
[02:57] <trevor> jj420: Good question...
[02:57] <lee__> cant be any worse then getting a coment taht sys your only allowe d a partial upgrade lol
[02:58] <jj420> hopefully i get a good answer
[02:58] <trevor> Well, I sat here for about two hours downloading the upgrade, and then the installer just disappears...
[02:58] <trevor> It went to get the last file, sat there a moment, and then it was gone...
[02:58] <lee__> lets say when it came to that....I gave up and said to heck with all and went with ati  drivers
[02:59] <trevor> I use the ATI drivers, but I can't get Beryl to work..
[02:59] <megaqwerty> trevor: well...the files are still on your hard drive.
[02:59] <lee__> I have an ati x300 and the systems only reading 32 megabytes of its ram ><
[02:59] <megaqwerty> trevor: so that won't be a problem.
[02:59] <trevor> Would I need to disable composition, or is that for a different channel?
[02:59] <trevor> megaqwerty: Well, I started it back up...
[02:59] <jj420> im using the ati drive but cant get compiz to work correctly like changes settings dont work now i cant drag and move windows
[02:59] <trevor> megaqwerty: And, it just went to that last file, and did it again...
[02:59] <|neon|> having an issue with ff i am running ubuntu and java is installed as show by about:plugins, the problem is when i try to open like yahoo games it will try to open the "game window" but ff freezes to the point i have to pretty much restart , opera work ok so i know java is installed ok tho i re-iinstalled it to be sure thx for any suggestions
[03:00] <megaqwerty> trevor: have you tried updating you package lists?
[03:00] <megaqwerty> trevor: sudo apt-get update
[03:00] <lee__> ok guys I got a resart falg up lol
[03:00] <megaqwerty> trevor: it may be that the file you need has moved to a different location on the server
[03:00] <lee__> erg I hate updates they take soemthing away
[03:00] <trevor> megaqwerty: nice...
[03:01] <lee__> somethimes lol
[03:01] <lee__> waves toall
[03:01] <megaqwerty> trevor: which updating the package lists will fix
[03:01] <bastid_raZor> savvas: i'm in and out. a 2 year old is very demanding
[03:02] <DM|> in gutsy, for rythymbox i get the following error Unable to activate plugin Portable Players - iPod
[03:02] <trevor> megaqwerty: trying...
[03:03] <trevor> megaqwerty: And, it's gone...
[03:03] <trevor> megaqwerty: Again...
[03:04] <megaqwerty> trevor: okay, have you tried running the update manager from the Terminal?
[03:04] <megaqwerty> trevor: we might get some feedback as to what happened
[03:04] <trevor> The instructions for Kubuntu forbids it, but I'll try...  Was gonna do that anyway...
[03:04] <megaqwerty> trevor: not what I meant
[03:05] <megaqwerty> trevor: I meant running "gksudo update-manager -c -d" in the terminal
[03:05] <trevor> I'm in KDE...  Not gnome...
[03:05] <megaqwerty> trevor: sorry, kdesudo
[03:05] <trevor> megaqwerty: mine is kdesu adept_manager, but it said to run it from the run prompt, not the konsole...
[03:06] <trevor> megaqwerty: And, nothing is happening...
[03:06] <megaqwerty> trevor: oh, well, try konsole anyway.
[03:06] <megaqwerty> trevor: I'll have to defer this to someone else, I'm not very familiar with kde.
[03:06] <trevor> Sok...
[03:07] <trevor> Can anyone help?
[03:07] <trevor> KDE problems running the upgrade..
[03:08] <knix> trevor:
[03:08] <fyrestrtr> sorry trevor I don't use KDE
[03:08] <lee__> ok I hsould have said NO to that change
[03:09] <fyrestrtr> what is the error you are getting?
[03:09] <lee__> dang I ate going agaisnt my gut instincts, now my monitors all well the refresh rates been grrrr
[03:09] <lee__> Its half hour glassed and half soemthing else
[03:10] <lee__> grrrrrrrrrr
[03:11] <lee__> now its doing the exact same thing befor the crahs
[03:11] <lee__> well next tim ..should I crash I am telling it NO
[03:11] <trevor> megaqwerty: I think I have it...
[03:11] <trevor> Maybe...
[03:11] <szf> can anyone else confirm an appearance of ogg-files not working well lately? Not playing? Takes $time to render in nautilus?
[03:12] <megaqwerty> trevor: cool. I'd be interested to know how you fixed it, once you're sure
[03:12] <trevor> I went back into adept manager, and hit full upgrade, and it's installing packages...
[03:12] <trevor> And, it's taking longer than it did the first time through, when the things were in feisty, so I hope that I just had to go and repeat it..
[03:13] <trevor> If so, the installer should be able to open it up and do this on it's own, or it shouldn't claim to do so...
[03:13] <lee__> well wiith me I got stuck on the thing saying I only could partialy up grade
[03:13] <lee__> I wonder if it will aloow me the rest of the upgrade nopw
[03:13] <trevor> Gnome or kde?
[03:13] <fyrestrtr> lee__: do the partial upgrade, restart, then do the full upgrade again.
[03:14] <lee__> yeah I was going to do that
[03:14] <lee__> and Hopefully befor I crash
[03:14] <trevor> AND THERE'S THE RESTART PROMPT!
[03:15] <TokenBad> my friend is saying he tried the system-admin-screens and graphics-ati to do drivers for a radeon 9250 256 ram ati....and its not working
[03:15] <ChaosParser> hey alex_mayorga
[03:15] <lee__> no luck going in ot the terminal
[03:15] <trevor> Okay...  It looks like it's replacing everything (Which is good..)
[03:15] <lee__> wahst the comand line for the update?
[03:15] <macogw> TokenBad: did he restart X afterward
[03:15] <lee__> update manager -d?
[03:15] <macogw> lee__ sudo aptitude full-upgrade -y
[03:15] <trevor> lee__: if you're using gnome...
[03:16] <lee__> yeah i am
[03:16] <trevor> lee__: I think i figured it out for kde, though...
[03:16] <lee__> actaully I have both lol
[03:16] <jmg_> bye
[03:16] <knix> What's full-upgrade?
[03:16] <knix> Is that like upgrade and dist-upgrade's middle sibling?
[03:17] <trevor> Full upgrade replaces the operating systems files with all the new ones...
[03:17] <megaqwerty> trevor: congratulations
[03:17] <lee__> its doing something lol
[03:17] <trevor> I think....
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> trevor, yup/// that it does
[03:17] <trevor> 27%...  I think I did it right...
[03:17] <trevor> Okay...  We need to change the installer wizard, then...
[03:17] <lee__> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[03:17] <trevor> At least for kde...
[03:18] <nomasteryoda> but i always run mine from konsole
[03:18] <nomasteryoda> =D... aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade
[03:18] <nomasteryoda> oh after doing find/replace on repos
[03:19] <TokenBad> macogw, he said he did that and it still says no direct rendering
[03:19] <macogw> if you read aptitude's manpage, full-upgrade is the new name for dist-upgrade and safe-upgrade is the new name for regular upgrade
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> ya it is
[03:20] <macogw> TokenBad: weird. ive never done it on ubuntu, just on opensuse, but still, weird
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> correct
[03:20] <lee__> eh I treid the update manager -d..it said taht comand line not found
[03:20] <megaqwerty> lee__: it's update-manager -d
[03:20] <macogw> lee__ i think it has to be in quotes
[03:20] <macogw> oh yeah that too
[03:20] <macogw> with the -
[03:20] <TokenBad> anyone else know what might be wrong?
[03:23] <trevor> CRAP!
[03:23] <trevor> I have no mime types!
[03:23] <lee__> eh..this is theline taht I get when I do the y
[03:23] <trevor> I can't open files!
[03:23] <lee__> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:23] <lee__> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
[03:24] <lee__> I am not breaking the 2 line rule lol but tahts ths jist of it
[03:24] <trevor> I can't open websites...
[03:24] <trevor> HTTP is a bad protocol?
[03:24] <lee__> any ideas on taht one megaqwerty
[03:25] <megaqwerty> lee__: I'll read what you said...hold on.
[03:25] <macogw> networkmanager needs a curses interface for fluxbox and enlightenment users
[03:25] <megaqwerty> lee__: what are you trying to do?
[03:25] <megaqwerty> lee__: upgrade to Gutsy from the commandline?
[03:26] <trevor> Gots to go!
[03:26] <megaqwerty> bye trevor good luck!
[03:26] <trevor> Thanks!
[03:26] <lee__> eh no..lol I used the cd
[03:26] <megaqwerty> lee__: what are you trying to do then?
[03:26] <trevor> DAMN IT!
[03:26] <lee__> I was trrying to ge tthe rest of the updates
[03:26] <trevor> Won't do it...
[03:27] <lee__> oh its loading java now
[03:27] <trevor> Packages broke?
[03:27] <lee__> eh I mean flash
[03:27] <megaqwerty> lee__: it looks like it doesn't see any new updates
[03:27] <Moduliz0r> anyone know much about Wine?
[03:27] <lee__> nopers
[03:27] <Moduliz0r> :'(
[03:27] <megaqwerty> Moduliz0r: some? yes. Much, not that much.
[03:27] <lee__> it says that i am fully up dated
[03:28] <lee__> eh just averted a crash
[03:28] <megaqwerty> lee__: then clearly you are
[03:28] <lee__> hmm
[03:28] <lee__> cool
[03:28] <Moduliz0r> megaqwerty: Do you know how I'd install the mozilla html engine thing?
[03:28] <megaqwerty> lee__: haha
[03:28] <lee__> ok waht was this aobut goolge ewarth?
[03:28] <megaqwerty> Moduliz0r: you mean gecko?
[03:28] <Moduliz0r> Yeah
[03:28] <megaqwerty> Moduliz0r: I know WineDoors does that automagically
[03:28] <Moduliz0r> it crashes when it asks me while running steam
[03:28] <Moduliz0r> WineDoors?
[03:29] <megaqwerty> Moduliz0r: yeah, it's really neat. It even has a module for installing steam
[03:29] <Moduliz0r> where can I get WineDoors?
[03:31] <megaqwerty> Moduliz0r: http://www.wine-doors.org/wordpress/
[03:31] <Moduliz0r> thanks
[03:31] <lee__> eh ok I can play the you tube video lol
[03:31] <lee__> volume contol fails bad lol
[03:31] <lee__> it balsted me to kindome come
[03:31] <lee__> yay I now have the missing PCm controler lol
[03:31] <lee__> turning off screen savers and blanking
[03:31] <Moduliz0r> whats the compiz settings manager package again?
[03:32] <lee__> eh google erth on linux?
[03:32] <jirwin> can I disable NetworkManager?
[03:32] <macogw> Moduliz0r: compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:32] <lee__> eh howd you get that lol
[03:32] <Moduliz0r> thanks
[03:32] <macogw> jirwin: take it out of the startups thing
[03:32] <megaqwerty> lee__: it's on the main site
[03:32] <macogw> lee__: its in Universe, i think
[03:32] <LT1Caprice57L> hey guys.. any ideas why a GTK theme that worked fine in Feisty wouldn't work right in Gutsy?
[03:32] <lee__> ooh ok
[03:32] <lee__> just a sec then
[03:32] <megaqwerty> and...apparently...now in Universe
[03:33] <LT1Caprice57L> It's just one that doesn't work...the ubuntustudio GTK theme to be exact
[03:33] <megaqwerty> LT1Caprice57L: well...we do have a new version of Gnome in Gutsy...
[03:33] <macogw> make that multiverse
[03:33] <jirwin> macogw: where?
[03:33] <megaqwerty> LT1Caprice57L: so, that could be it.
[03:33] <macogw> jirwin: system > pref > sessions > startup
[03:33] <Moduliz0r> is wine-doors in a repositry?
[03:33] <Moduliz0r> i spelled that wrong i think >_>
[03:34] <megaqwerty> Moduliz0r: it has an ubuntu .deb, but I haven't checked the Gutsy repository for it yet
[03:34] <jirwin> thanks
[03:34] <Moduliz0r> k
[03:34] <LT1Caprice57L> yeah, I thought about that, but it seems like that'd make more sense if none of them work anymore
[03:34] <tritium> Moduliz0r: no
[03:34] <megaqwerty> Moduliz0r: nope, not in gutsy
[03:34] <Moduliz0r> ill give it a try anyway
[03:34] <tritium> Moduliz0r: apt-cache search <foo>
[03:35] <lee__> yeah the >XML file has been stripped form the browser, I wonder why?
[03:35] <LT1Caprice57L> brb
[03:35] <|neon|> having an issue with ff i am running ubuntu and java is installed as show by about:plugins, the problem is when i try to open like yahoo games it will try to open the "game window" but ff freezes to the point i have to pretty much restart , opera work ok so i know java is installed ok tho i re-iinstalled it to be sure thx for any suggestions
[03:36] <lee__> how do we get our .xml extension back?
[03:37] <megaqwerty> lee__: you mean have ff open .xml files by default?
[03:37] <wabiD> why dont java applications get transparet
[03:38] <TokenBad> macogw, I did a command and got this? libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_add_dispatch)
[03:38] <TokenBad> libGL error: unable to find driver: r200_dri.so
[03:38] <megaqwerty> wabiD: um...have you tried using Alt+Scrollwheel?
[03:38] <Moduliz0r> wine doors works fine!
[03:38] <Moduliz0r> thanks!
[03:38] <jaebird> i think empathy, or dependancies are broken in latest gutsy update
[03:38] <megaqwerty> Moduliz0r: you're welcome. Have fun with Steam
[03:38] <megaqwerty> Moduliz0r: can't wait 'till I can start playing Portal ;)
[03:38] <macogw> TokenBad: something's broked
[03:38] <Moduliz0r> :D
[03:38] <Moduliz0r> I'm gonna get Portal sometime soon
[03:39] <TokenBad> macogw, I noticed
[03:39] <TokenBad> macogw, and I have no idea how to fix it
[03:39] <Moduliz0r> it just told me wine gecko isnt installed
[03:39] <Moduliz0r> ==steam froze
[03:40] <lee__> i think I may havefound the solution
[03:40] <TokenBad> its like it will not install the ati drivers
[03:40] <macogw> nor do i
[03:40] <macogw> um looks installed
[03:40] <jirwin> anyone have any luck getting dhcp with a intel 4965 wlan chip?
[03:40] <macogw> but dri is broken
[03:40] <megaqwerty> Moduliz0r: huh. Well, use the Wine Doors manager thing to install it
[03:40] <macogw> there's a website with insane debugging directions
[03:40] <macogw> very useful
[03:40] <macogw> google a bit
[03:40] <hetauma__> !rc
[03:40] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) Release Candidate information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - The RC is development software and as such unstable, support *ONLY* in #ubuntu+1
[03:40] <jirwin> I thought it was NM, but doesn't seem to be. I can associate and everything...just no dhcp
[03:41] <jirwin> :(
[03:41] <TokenBad> I have and have tried all their ways of installing and no luck
[03:41] <megaqwerty> Moduliz0r: I did a clean install of Gutsy, and haven't installed Wine Doors yet, so I'm doing this off the top of my head.
[03:41] <Moduliz0r> ok
[03:41] <TokenBad> they all say about installing the drivers by ./atiblahblah --something dapper/ubuntu or something like that
[03:41] <Moduliz0r> i want the final release :D
[03:41] <TokenBad> I have tried it...and not work
[03:44] <tsb> Uh oh - "Could not install 'debconf'" (dusing gutsy upgrade using aport) - sounds bad..
[03:44] <tsb> subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault)
[03:45] <megaqwerty> tsb: sounds like you told it to stop.
[03:45] <tsb> megaqwerty: I didn't.. I was just surfing in konq
[03:45] <megaqwerty> tsb: or...if it means it got kill from a seg fault...it crashed
[03:45] <lee__> stupid thing wants to keep downloading the links
[03:45] <tsb> it sais it segfaulted, so I guess it crashed and burned.
[03:46] <megaqwerty> an accurate diagnosis Dr. tsb
[03:46] <tsb> why thank you, Dr. Watson.
[03:46] <lee__> well Ill brb I need to take dog out fer a walk
[03:46] <tsb> (why are you saying I told it to stop then)
[03:47] <megaqwerty> tsb: if you didn't tell it to stop, then it got it's kill signal from the segfault
[03:47] <megaqwerty> tsb: that's odd...not sure why it would do that. Was there any output before the segfault?
[03:47] <tsb> anyway, it seems it has stopped now on preparing to configure libdbus-glib-1-2.. should I just close the thing and try over?
[03:47] <tsb> none that I saw no. I had the terminal open, but it is empty
[03:47] <megaqwerty> tsb: then..yeah, I'd try upgrading again
[03:48] <Moduliz0r> how do i launch a program with wine-doors?
[03:48] <megaqwerty> tsb: I don't think you can turn back now
[03:48] <tsb> megaqwerty: yeah I don't think I'll want to reboot at the moment :p
[03:48] <megaqwerty> Moduliz0r: I believe it created launchers under "Applications"
[03:48] <Moduliz0r> cant find them >_>
[03:48] <Moduliz0r> yeah I did :D
[03:49] <Moduliz0r> but it doesnt seem to be launching
[03:49] <Moduliz0r> ima gonna go to bed now
[03:49] <Moduliz0r> bye
[03:50] <lee__> erg, we had a fire somehwere lol
[03:51] <lee__> its really smoky out side..any how
[03:51] <tsb> megaqwerty: "You will not be able to change your system settings in any way" etc... I killed all of the adept instances
[03:51] <lee__> the google earth is saying its an .xml file that is missing
[03:52] <megaqwerty> tsb: Not sure what you just said.
[03:52] <tsb> megaqwerty: I tried restarting adept_manager, but it won't start properly because the other adept I just killed still has locks
[03:52] <megaqwerty> tsb: ah
[03:53] <megaqwerty> tsb: well, not being a KDE man myself, I'm not sure where adept keeps its lock files...
[03:53] <megaqwerty> tsb: sorry
[03:53] <tsb> :S
[03:53] <tsb> It was around 15% into the package installation - I don't really want to restart X
[03:54] <lee__> well I am taking merlin fer a walk, I Need to to see if ant will freez, if ant freezes then I ll have to reload and say not to the updates
[03:54] <megaqwerty> tsb: I'll be on google looking
[03:54] <lee__> ants the screen saver
[03:54] <megaqwerty> tsb: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+question/5409
[03:54] <tsb> megaqwerty: wow thanks. I'll be in the terminal greping
[03:55] <tsb> megaqwerty: ah, that seems golden, thanks
[03:55] <megaqwerty> tsb: happy to oblige
[03:56] <tsb> megaqwerty: yup that did it
[03:56] <megaqwerty> tsb: :-D
[03:56] <tsb> megaqwerty: yay, I got the distro upgrade started again as well
[03:56] <megaqwerty> tsb: cool. Hope you have better luck this time.
[03:57] <tsb> phew, I thought I'd have a whole-nighter ahead of me deciphering logfiles
[03:57] <tsb> me too, hehe
[03:57] <megaqwerty> tsb: haha, yeah...I remember those days *sniff* the good ole' frustrating days.
[03:58] <tsb> megaqwerty: yeah :) xorg still gives you the odd reminder of it though (I was setting up me second monitor the other day)
[03:58] <tsb> s/me/my
[03:59] <tsb> cool, it jumped straight to "installing the upgrades" and keeps on going. I guess it works
[03:59] <megaqwerty> tsb: yeah, but we're getting pretty darn close to a perfect "Just works" situation.
[03:59] <tsb> megaqwerty: yeah actually I noticed nvidia had this control panel that let me activate the screen with a click. it even worked on the first try!
[04:00] <megaqwerty> tsb: nice!
[04:01] <Creationist> If I've been running the Gutsy Beta, will it update to the RC if I run apt-get upgrade?
[04:01] <tsb> I guess it will be better (and is with the intel drivers?) with the foss drivers, but requiring the user to fool around with xorg.conf is a real showstopper for a lot of people I can imagine.
[04:01] <megaqwerty> Creationist: yep
[04:01] <tsb> Creationist: apparenty you should use the gui forntends instead
[04:01] <Creationist> saweet
[04:01] <tsb> it installs "extra stuff" :)
[04:01] <Creationist> tsb: Well, I suppose I could do that... but why?
[04:01] <megaqwerty> Creationist: tsb actually, not if you're already at gutsy. Commandline upgrades do just fine
[04:01] <Creationist> I don't want "extra" stuff, I want the right stuff... the WORKING stuff ;)
[04:02] <tsb> Creationist: no idea, I just took a leap of faith when someone here told that to me and used adept
[04:02] <megaqwerty> Creationist: he meant like changing your sources.list and so on
[04:02] <tsb> Creationist: hehe yeah
[04:02] <bastid_raZor> Creationist: have you ever heard of Kent Hovind?
[04:02] <Creationist> megaqwerty: Ahhh... yeah.
[04:02] <Creationist> bastid_raZor: Yes, I have.
[04:03] <bastid_raZor> Creationist: i have his videos .. i hand them out on a regular basis.. did you know he is in jail for tax evasion?
[04:03] <Creationist> bastid_raZor: I didn't know he was in jail, no.  I knew he was found guilty of that YEARS ago, though.  He did it again?
[04:03] <tritium> !offtopic
[04:03] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[04:03] <tsb> For the record: I have ubuntu and kubuntu-desktop installed, hence gdm and kdm - it just tried restarting gdm which failed ofcourse since I run kdm and that stopped the installation (i just had to click okay to manually start it myself afterwards, which I wont ofcourse). a small bug..
[04:03] <Creationist> tritium: Yeah, I agree.
[04:04] <bastid_raZor> Creationist: as of january of this year he was actually put in jail.
[04:05] <megaqwerty>  !offtopic | bastid_raZor
[04:05] <ubotu> bastid_raZor: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[04:05] <Creationist> !offtopic | bastid_raZor
[04:05] <Creationist> lol
[04:05] <Creationist> ;)
[04:05] <megaqwerty> :)
[04:05] <|neon|> ne1 using vdkb2, i installed it from the gutsy repo bbut it wont run any sugestions
[04:05] <tsb> megaqwerty: actually I didn't - supposedly adept and the gnome equivalent installs more than just dist-upgrade... (that's what someone here said anyway when I asked if it was just a fancy frontend)
[04:05] <Creationist> hmm... apparently the only changes made between my Beta from yesterday, and the RC.... are a few updates to Compiz.
[04:05] <Creationist> ...that's less than exciting ;)
[04:06] <megaqwerty> tsb: for upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy, yes. But when you're already at gutsy, I'm pretty sure you can just use commandline upgrades
[04:06] <tsb> Speaking of Compiz.. I wonder if I should try that now.. I'm pretty much a kde zealot, but I'd like to try this new gnome with compiz and all.. but I don't want that for my kde, would it be much of a hazzle to set up? I guess I'd need 2 xorg.conf files for h/w accel stuff
[04:06] <tsb> megaqwerty: aah, right. :)
[04:07] <tsb> megaqwerty: then that is what I meant, what you said.
[04:07] <megaqwerty> tsb: It's okay. And as for compiz, Gutsy automagically enables it when you install the restricted driver.
[04:08] <megaqwerty> tsb: well...a limited version. You can go up from there if you want using compizconfig-settings-manager or if you want to use presets, just the appearance program
[04:10] <bastid_raZor> anyone noticing Xgl using large amounts of RAM? using emerald --replace at the moment
[04:10] <tsb> megaqwerty: okay. I'll have a look after install.. still.. 41 minutes left and it is 04:06 here now.. sigh
[04:11] <megaqwerty> tsb: eh, just let it go overnight
[04:11] <megaqwerty> tsb: have some fresh eyes to enjoy the eyecandy ;)
[04:12] <tsb> megaqwerty: you are right.. 45 minutes remaining, and then I have to try the damn thing, I'll look at the pretty wobblyness tomorrow
[04:12] <tsb> megaqwerty: thank you and good night :)
[04:12] <megaqwerty> tsb: good night.
[04:13] <Creationist> megaqwerty: Compiz isn't automatically enabled in Kubuntu.
[04:14] <megaqwerty> Creationist: that's a shame :-(
[04:14] <megaqwerty> Creationist: but he has both Gnome and KDE, so he'll have it
[04:14] <|neon|> can ne1 suggest a good program to use while learning C+
[04:14] <megaqwerty> Creationist: well...when he switches into Gnome at least
[04:14] <Creationist> megaqwerty: He'll have it in Gnome, but not Kubuntu.  In KDE you need to manually start and stop it.
[04:14] <sinX_> Every time I enable dual monitors my default monitor's resolution becomes to big but it says it still the same. Plus on my second monitor I have no window borders with compiz
[04:14] <Creationist> megaqwerty: Yep ;)
[04:14] <|neon|> i tried using vdkb2 but it wont rn
[04:15] <megaqwerty> |neon|: I use Gedit when writing the code, and g++ (on the commandline) for compiling said code
[04:15] <Creationist> sinX_: Do you have libdecorations installed?
[04:15] <|neon|> megaqwerty: thx
[04:15] <megaqwerty> |neon|: works pretty well for me, although I haven't been doing very advanced things yet.
[04:15] <Creationist> !kde-window-decorations
[04:15] <megaqwerty> |neon|: you're welcome
[04:15] <|neon|> megaqwerty: i got me a couple of books and nothing but time :)
[04:16] <sinX_> I can't even seem to find the package?
[04:16] <megaqwerty> |neon|: cool. Have fun!
[04:17] <Creationist> sinX_: Crap, I can't remember the name of the package... hang on.
[04:17] <sinX_> thankx
[04:18] <Creationist> Anyone here know the package name for the kde window decorations engine for Compiz?
[04:18] <megaqwerty> Creationist: aquamarine?
[04:18] <Creationist> no
[04:18] <Creationist> It's kde-[something] 
[04:19] <megaqwerty> Creationist: nope. the only decorations package name I know of is libdecoration0 sorry.
[04:19] <sinX_> Creationist: libdecoration0?
[04:19] <sinX_> lol...yep thats all I could come with to
[04:20] <Creationist> hmm... maybe it's kde-window-decorator
[04:20] <Creationist> I can't remember... maybe it is libdecoration0.  Do you have that installed?
[04:21] <megaqwerty> Creationist: I do.
[04:21] <Creationist> I had thought it was specific to KDE, though, because Emerald was giving me problems.
[04:21] <megaqwerty> Creationist: yeah, you need to use aquamarine for KDE
[04:21] <sinX_> yep I have it installed
[04:21] <megaqwerty> Creationist: (As opposed to emerald)
[04:21] <rockets> How do I make compiz fusion do mac-like expose
[04:21] <Creationist> megaqwerty: I don't use aquamarine.
[04:22] <sinX_> super + E
[04:22] <megaqwerty> Creationist: sorry, my knowledge of KDE goes back to beryl
[04:22] <Creationist> megaqwerty: Whatever engine I'm using uses my KDE theme settings for decorations.
[04:22] <megaqwerty> rockets: I'll get the command hold on
[04:22] <rockets> megaqwerty, thanks!
[04:22] <rockets> the expo feature is great
[04:22] <rockets> but id like expose even more
[04:22] <sinX_> rockets: super +E
[04:22] <megaqwerty> rockets: it looks like on my box it's CTRL+ALT+UP
[04:22] <sinX_> but you need the plugin enabled
[04:22] <rockets> sinX_, no thats expo
[04:23] <megaqwerty> sinX_: that's the wrong plugin
[04:23] <rockets> megaqwerty, that does nothing for me, whats the name of the plugin
[04:23] <megaqwerty> sinX_: he means the scale plugin
[04:23] <Creationist> rockets: Yeah, I like Expo.... I just still have no use for multiple desktops yet.  Seems like more trouble than help until KDE gets smart and makes Kicker support viewports.
[04:23] <megaqwerty> rockets: scale
[04:23] <megaqwerty> rockets: you can change it if you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed
[04:23] <rockets> ah its shift-alt-up for me
[04:23] <sinX_> you mean the cube unfold?
[04:23] <rockets> megaqwerty, yeah i do have it
[04:23] <riotkittie> expo <3
[04:24] <rockets> sinX_, no
[04:24] <megaqwerty> rockets: cool
[04:24] <megaqwerty> sinX_: no, he means the scale plugin
[04:24] <rockets> scale is fantstic
[04:24] <sinX_> ahh, I gotcha..lol
[04:24] <rockets> so much better then alt-tab
[04:24] <riotkittie> i like the alt shift s one :x
[04:24] <megaqwerty> rockets: actually, for alt-tab, I use the shift plugin
[04:24] <rockets> that does nothing for me riot
[04:24] <Creationist> I prefer the ring-switcher to Alt-Tab ;)
[04:24] <megaqwerty> rockets: does the iTunes coverflow thing. Quite nice, and practical.
[04:25] <riotkittie> its like. iPod cover art flippy goodness.
[04:25] <rockets> i just enabled show desktop
[04:25] <rockets> and the action is "to corners"
[04:25] <rockets> but i move the mouse to the corners and nothing happens
[04:25] <megaqwerty> rockets: no, that's what it does, it moves the windows to the corners
[04:25] <rockets> oh, well how do i make it work
[04:25] <rockets> theres no keybindings section
[04:25] <megaqwerty> rockets: (off the screen) you need the keybinding
[04:25] <riotkittie> click on the show desktop icon
[04:25] <megaqwerty> rockets: it's listed under "General"
[04:25] <Creationist> Yeah, I never knew what "Show Desktop" was supposed to do.
[04:26] <rockets> riotkittie, i dont WANT to use the show desktop icon
[04:26] <megaqwerty> rockets: it's under "general options"
[04:26] <sinX_> it changes the "show desktop" effect
[04:26] <rockets> ah it just replaced what ctlrl-alt-d normally does
[04:26] <megaqwerty> rockets: General Options>Actions>Hide all windows and focus desktop
[04:26] <Creationist> ohhhhhhhh
[04:26] <Creationist> sinX_: I get it now ;)
[04:26] <rockets> but i like this effect much better
[04:26] <sinX_> from the standard theme effect to corm=ners or what ever you set it to
[04:26] <rockets> my god compiz fusion is great
[04:27] <rockets> and the best thing is its actually stable1
[04:27] <sinX_> ya, I was confused at first to :,
[04:27] <rockets> and the fact that Xgl is configured automatically for you now is amazing
[04:27] <rockets> it was so annoying before
[04:27] <rockets> (i have an ATI card)
[04:27] <megaqwerty> rockets: indeed! I stated using this stuff since beryl. Whenever I have to go into Windows, I feel so confined.
[04:27] <Creationist> So what does "Fade to Desktop" do?
[04:27] <riotkittie> i also have an ati :| <seethe>
[04:27] <Creationist> ...nevermind, I get it.
[04:27] <megaqwerty> Creationist: same thing, but just does a fade effect
[04:28] <rockets> heh
[04:28] <rockets> the ADD helper is nice but it takes too long to fade
[04:28] <rockets> and its not configurable
[04:28] <megaqwerty> rockets: I think you can change that
[04:28] <rockets> megaqwerty, not via gui you cant
[04:28] <megaqwerty> rockets: oh, I used to be able when I compiled from GIT on feisty
[04:28] <rockets> eh
[04:28] <rockets> its no big deal i just wont use it
[04:28] <sinX_> ya, different effect for same thing... I know it's weird it should all be put into one
[04:28] <riotkittie> mine fades instantly
[04:28] <megaqwerty> rockets: looks like we can't do that in gutsy. *shrugs*
[04:30] <megaqwerty> rockets: actually, mine fades instantly too...you just have to press Super+P
[04:30] <Creationist> hehe... I love that they call it the ADD helper ;)
[04:30] <rockets> heh
[04:30] <megaqwerty> Creationist: you know...I never understood the joke until now
[04:31] <riotkittie> is it just me or does colour filter do nothing :\
[04:31] <Creationist> neither did I until I actually read the description ;)
[04:31] <megaqwerty> Creationist: was thinking like...arithmetic add
[04:32] <rockets> what does enabling glib do
[04:33] <megaqwerty> rockets: I don't know...
[04:33] <megaqwerty> rockets: enables main loop support...whatever that is
[04:33] <rockets> god . . . expo + zoom out or scale or whatever its called make my day.
[04:34] <megaqwerty> rockets: indeed
[04:34] <rockets> The only annoying bug ive had in gutsy so far is that the splash screen is just blank during boot
[04:34] <rockets> but i can live with that.
[04:34] <lee__> ohh cool it didnt lock up lol yay
[04:34] <rockets> ill just disable it.
[04:34] <megaqwerty> rockets: I think you need to give it the real path to the images
[04:34] <rockets> megaqwerty, your telling me that by default usplash doesnt work?
[04:34] <rockets> you've got to be kidding.
[04:34] <lee__> hmm I had the the anoyance of failing to boot
[04:34] <megaqwerty> rockets: oh, usplash
[04:34] <megaqwerty> rockets: haha
[04:35] <rockets> megaqwerty, you know, the bootup splash screen with the progress bar
[04:35] <megaqwerty> rockets: I thought you meant the Compiz splash screen
[04:35] <rockets> nah
[04:35] <lee__> oh tath , yeah I noticed taht was missin gtoo
[04:35] <megaqwerty> rockets: we were on the topic...
[04:35] <rockets> yeah
[04:35] <lee__> I jsut thaught that they removed it
[04:35] <megaqwerty> rockets: mine's been working...
[04:36] <megaqwerty> rockets: weird
[04:36] <rockets> yeah im sure its my video or something
[04:36] <lee__> well the last issue taht I had is when I enabled my graphics card..all heck broke loose after taht
[04:36] <GuyFromHell> am i missing anything by dist-upgrading instead of getting the RC (other than another exciting installation)?
[04:36] <rockets> oh wow the window resize effect is nice
[04:36] <megaqwerty> GuyFromHell: nope. You get everything the RC has by just upgrading
[04:36] <lee__> yea theres a search entry
[04:37] <GuyFromHell> megaqwerty: k just making sure
[04:37] <lee__> eh I didnt get the search bar thingy
[04:37] <GuyFromHell> megaqwerty: thx
[04:37] <megaqwerty> GuyFromHell: you're welcome
[04:37] <lee__> from when I updated fiesty
[04:37] <riotkittie> its there, you just need to turn it on
[04:37] <lee__> oh lol
[04:37] <lee__> eh and user switcher?
[04:38] <rockets> Ive always had bad experiences with switching users on linux
[04:38] <rockets> multiple X servers . . . just not a great idea
[04:38] <Creationist> aww...just realized they took out the Cube Aquarium! :(
[04:38] <rockets> Creationist, oh noes!
[04:38] <megaqwerty> GuyFromHell: the way things are set up though should stay the same, so I don't think you'll have say...the fast user-switcher in the top bar, for instance (Just guessing here though)
[04:38] <lee__> i have bad expeiereince with that period lol
[04:38] <megaqwerty> GuyFromHell: you'll just have to add that yourself if you want it *shrugs*
[04:39] <lee__> eh I placed it on the bottom
[04:39] <Creationist> rockets: Really?  I have three people that use this computer on a regular basis, but I'm always logged in.  No problems since Gutsy.
[04:39] <rockets> Creationist, i havent tried it on gutsy.
[04:39] <riotkittie> animations are so brutal in terms of performance. but weee.
[04:39] <megaqwerty> Creationist: I meant the built-in one in the top bar
[04:39] <lee__> I hate having the bars split, say is there a chance that instead of having 2 you can jsut have 1
[04:39] <Creationist> megaqwerty: Ah..  I'm using KDE... no top bar ;)
[04:39] <megaqwerty> GuyFromHell: I meant the built-in one in the top bar
[04:40] <megaqwerty> whoops, wrong person Creationist ;)
[04:40] <Creationist> ah
[04:40] <megaqwerty> GuyFromHell:  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc will show you what I mean
[04:40] <Creationist> lee__: You can have as many or as few bars as you want.
[04:40] <riotkittie> lee : you can have one. just turn the second off. right click on the one you dont want and delete.  unless you are using kde, in which case ... i dunno
[04:40] <Creationist> Actually, KDE forces you to have at least one
[04:40] <bastid_raZor> lee__: that is part of the reason i liked gnome over KDE
[04:40] <lee__> creationist cool..then  ahhh
[04:40] <Creationist> bastid_raZor: What reason is that?
[04:40] <lee__> KDE?
[04:41] <Creationist> !kde | lee__
[04:41] <ubotu> lee__: KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[04:41] <lee__> how do I change over to that
[04:41] <bastid_raZor> Creationist: i like the split bars.. top and bottom. makes the toolbars less cluttered when i have many things going at once
[04:41] <riotkittie> sudo apt-get install kde-desktop or kubuntu-desktop will install all of it. ugh.
[04:41] <Creationist> lee__: Keep in mind if you install kubuntu-desktop, then you will also be installing a ton of applications.
[04:41] <Creationist> bastid_raZor: Uhm, you can have two bars in KDE without a problem.
[04:42] <MasterShrek> anyone using the kde4 packages?
[04:42] <bastid_raZor> Creationist: not necessarily.. kubuntu-desktop is a meta package. doesn't really intsall anything
[04:42] <stdin> why? got a question about them?
[04:42] <MasterShrek> bastid_raZor, yes it does, thats what a metapackage is for
[04:42] <Creationist> bastid_raZor: I said if he installs kubuntu-desktop, it will install all the dependancies... thus, all the applications.
[04:43] <rockets> gutsy definitely seems snapper performance wise
[04:43] <bastid_raZor> i have kubuntu-desktop installed and i don't have tons of kde apps installed.
[04:43] <frank_> Creationist: kubuntu-dektop doesn't install all the applications. some apps are recommended by the package, not required
[04:43] <Creationist> rockets: It is... more stable than Feisty for me too.
[04:44] <rockets> defini
[04:44] <megaqwerty> frank_: but it still installs a lot
[04:44] <Creationist> frank_: All what applications?  I said it would install a lot of applications, not ALL applications.
[04:44] <MasterShrek> bastid_raZor, you have all the kde apps that come with kubuntu, likewise if you install ubuntu-desktop youll have all the apps that come with an ubuntu install
[04:44] <Creationist> Geez, people... pay attentions! lol
[04:44] <megaqwerty> frank_: which was the point
[04:45] <bastid_raZor> MasterShrek: interesting. i've never noticed.. guess it is time to go on an apt-get remove spree
[04:45] <MasterShrek> kde is far superior, theres no argument for gnome, even Linus hates gnome, said its for nazis
[04:45] <riotkittie> heh.
[04:45] <stdin> !ot
[04:45] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[04:45] <Creationist> MasterShrek: Linus IS a nazi.
[04:45] <megaqwerty> Okay people, let's not start a flamewar
[04:45] <MasterShrek> ...
[04:45] <frank_> Creationist: I mean not all the applications which would be installed by a kubuntu install cd
[04:45] <megaqwerty> quiet down
[04:45] <Creationist> I've never known a man more in love with his own legend than Mr. Torvalds.
[04:45] <stdin> this is not the place to discuss that
[04:45] <MasterShrek> Creationist, jsut because he loves linux which he created, doesnt make him a nazi
[04:46] <Creationist> I personally like Gnome.  I like KDE.  They both have strengths.
[04:46] <hydrogen> !ot
[04:46] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[04:46] <Creationist> MasterShrek: I didn't say that was why ;)
[04:46] <hydrogen> however
[04:46] <hydrogen> let me say..
[04:46] <hydrogen> I've yet to hear linus profess desire to lead a political party
[04:47] <riotkittie> >:o
[04:47] <hydrogen> or get involved in traditional politics at all
[04:47] <MasterShrek> lol
[04:47] <Creationist> hydrogen: That's because dictatorships aren't open-source ;)
[04:47] <bastid_raZor> heh
[04:47] <hydrogen> Creationist: government isn't open source.
[04:47] <hydrogen> its the nature of it not to be
[04:47] <lee__> eh ok  i have a question on this do I down load it or? do I key inteh comands in the terminla?
[04:47] <Creationist> hydrogen: Really?  Just look at the US government... they'll let anyone get in there and tinker around :P
[04:48] <Pici> !politics
[04:48] <ubotu> Please take political discussion to ##politics. Thank you!
[04:48] <Creationist> lee__: Download what, bud?
[04:48] <Pici> !o4o
[04:48] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu+1.  Controversial topics: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[04:48] <MasterShrek> lee__, that made no sense
[04:48] <Creationist> lol ubotu said "removing oneself from the planet (except by space travel)" isn't an appropriate topic here ;)
[04:49] <megaqwerty> lee__: if you're looking for 7.10, it's here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/
[04:50] <megaqwerty> lee__: or, if you're looking for upgrade instructions, those are here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[04:50] <rabiddachshund> I haven't switched to gutsy yet, but I see that the broadcom 43xx driver is now easily installed. My question is how well does it work?
[04:50] <riotkittie> he's talking about kde, i do believe
[04:51] <megaqwerty> oh
[04:51] <riotkittie> lee__:  you can search for it in synaptic; it might be easier
[04:51] <rabiddachshund> I'm on feisty right now using broadcom and it loses the wireless signal every 5 minutes.
[04:51] <MasterShrek> lee__, to install kde, type: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:51] <megaqwerty>  !kde | lee__
[04:51] <ubotu> lee__: KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[04:51] <MasterShrek> rabiddachshund, how did u install it? ndiswrapper?
[04:52] <rabiddachshund> I think so. I had someone else do it for me because they're better than me.
[04:52] <MasterShrek> rabiddachshund, you should change your nick to crazyWeinerDog =P
[04:52] <rabiddachshund> lqtm.
[04:52] <MasterShrek> rabiddachshund, type: lsmod | grep ndiswrapper   and see if u get any output
[04:53] <jscinoz> would anyone happen to know if the game Second Life is under the GPL?
[04:53] <rabiddachshund> nothing
[04:53] <Amaranth> stdin: Enjoy
[04:53] <lee__> erg Ill have to getwine so Ican use IMVU lol
[04:53] <rabiddachshund> but then again, he wrote a script that I could use in case I had to format, which I have done.
[04:53] <lee__> eh wehre do I get fire starter at?
[04:53] <MasterShrek> rabiddachshund, try: lsmod | grep bcm43xx
[04:53] <stdin> Amaranth: hmm. k :)
[04:54] <rabiddachshund> that does give some output
[04:54] <megaqwerty> jscinoz: it doesn't look like it is. Don't hold me to that though...
[04:54] <lee__> never mind I found it
[04:54] <megaqwerty> jscinoz: http://secondlife.com/corporate/tos.php
[04:54] <MasterShrek> rabiddachshund, ok, how about: ls /lib/firmware | grep bcm43xx*
[04:55] <rabiddachshund> quite a bit more.
[04:55] <addos> hmm, rc1 tells me it can't find flashplugin-nonfree
[04:55] <addos> has anyone else had this problem?
[04:55] <MasterShrek> rabiddachshund, ok, so you have firmware and you are using the kernel modules, thats usually what i suggest doing, its how i run my broadcom card...are u using wpa?
[04:55] <rockets> hey is there a medibuntu for gutsy yet
[04:55] <CoasterMaster> Is the RC pretty stable?
[04:55] <Pici> rockets: I belive so.
[04:55] <rockets> CoasterMaster, its rock solid so far.
[04:55] <rockets> Pici, i cant find it
[04:55] <MasterShrek> CoasterMaster, i dont have n e problems
[04:56] <rabiddachshund> no. I have an open network because people around here are too stupid to turn on a computer. Literally.
[04:56] <Pici> rockets: I dont use it, but I think I remember hearing that it existed
[04:56] <megaqwerty> jscinoz: nevermind, it is under the GPL: http://www.boingboing.net/2007/01/08/second-life-frees-so.html
[04:56] <jscinoz> megaqwerty, hmm i was sure it was under an opensource license of somekind
[04:56] <rockets> mm
[04:56] <jscinoz> hehe
[04:56] <CoasterMaster> rockets, MasterShrek and I assume that anything that gets patched between now and release will be pushed down, right?
[04:56] <MasterShrek> rabiddachshund, i would at least use wep, but do u know what kind of card it exactly is? 4311? 4106?
[04:56] <jscinoz> megaqwerty, what rules does a program need to comply with to make it into the official ubuntu repos?
[04:56] <rabiddachshund> and I check the log for foreign mac addresses to make sure that remains true
[04:56] <rabiddachshund> 4311
[04:56] <MasterShrek> CoasterMaster, what do u mean "pushed down" ?
[04:57] <rockets> CoasterMaster, of course.
[04:57] <megaqwerty> jscinoz: needs to be stable, be free, and needs to have a maintainer...I'm pretty sure, that's it
[04:57] <CoasterMaster> MasterShrek, I mean appear in the Update Manager
[04:57] <jscinoz> its probably too late for gutsy, but imo secondlife should make it into hardy :)
[04:57] <MasterShrek> rabiddachshund, hmm, same as i have, its possible i guess that you have different firmware maybe
[04:57] <rockets> CoasterMaster, if you run the updater on the day the final release comes out, youll have the final release
[04:57] <addos> has anyone else had problems installing flashplugin-nonfree on rc1?
[04:57] <MasterShrek> CoasterMaster, cuz mine runs flawlessly, but i dont use network manager either, that could be
[04:57] <lee__> yeah
[04:58] <lee__> oh wait what?
[04:58] <megaqwerty> CoasterMaster: Only feature upgrades are deferred to the next release. bugfixes, and security patches will make it into a stable release
[04:58] <rabiddachshund> probably. It took him a week and a half to get it right and he said he had to use fwcutter on over a dozen different drivers before he could get it to work at all.
[04:58] <robinson> running Kubuntu Gutsy. How do i keep the screen from going black on my laptop when no key is pressed? trying to watch a movie on googlevideo, and i have to move the mouse abotu every five minutes
[04:58] <rabiddachshund> How well does 4311 work in gutsy though?
[04:58] <MasterShrek> rabiddachshund, im running gutsy, it runs perfectly
[04:58] <rockets> Pici, im going to try adding the line to my sources.list and just change feisty to gutsy
[04:58] <jscinoz> robinson, go to system>prefs>screensaver, and untick "activate when idle"
[04:58] <megaqwerty> robinson: System>Preferences>Screensaver
[04:58] <robinson> Kubuntu, in KDE
[04:58] <megaqwerty> heh, beat to it ;)
[04:58] <Pici> rockets: Thats the best way to test, if it doesnt exist, it just wont work
[04:59] <bazhang> robinson: are you also using compiz-fusion?
[04:59] <robinson> negative
[04:59] <rabiddachshund> cool. What are the "three clicks" that I read about? Is that just in the package manager?
[04:59] <MasterShrek> rabiddachshund, i can give you a link to the firmware that i use
[04:59] <rabiddachshund> awesome.
[04:59] <robinson> megaqwerty: running KDE, not GNome. any other ideas? Screensaver is not set to run automatically
[04:59] <megaqwerty> rabiddachshund: you mean, like for installing stuff? Yeah, it's pretty much three clicks in the package manager, or if you download a .deb
[04:59] <MasterShrek> rabiddachshund, http://www.mediafire.com/?bqn8x4eancv
[05:00] <rockets> Pici, it worked! but not all the packages are availible yet
[05:00] <megaqwerty> robinson: sorry, a Gnome guy myself.
[05:00] <MasterShrek> rabiddachshund, you have to extract that file to /lib/firmware (need to be root or use sudo to do it)
[05:00] <rabiddachshund> Is that a permanent link?
[05:00] <MasterShrek> i guess so, i just uploaded that firmware to mediafire
[05:00] <robinson> anyboy else? just want the screen to stay on unless i tell it otherwise....
[05:01] <robinson> in KDE
[05:01] <MasterShrek> its been there for awhile rabiddachshund, but it says they dont ever go away, or not yet at least
[05:01] <megaqwerty> Well, I'm going to go spend some time with the family, Good night everyone!
[05:02] <rabiddachshund> I'm not good with drivers. Is there anything else I need to do with it?
[05:02] <jscinoz> Is there a list somewhere on launchpad of requested packages?
[05:02] <MasterShrek> rabiddachshund, nope, maybe reboot or remove the bcm43xx driver and reload it
[05:03] <MasterShrek> jscinoz, what package are you requesting?
[05:03] <rabiddachshund> ok. It should work for feisty, right?
[05:03] <jscinoz> MasterShrek, secondlife
[05:03] <MasterShrek> rabiddachshund, yes it was working for me in feisty before i upgraded, same firmware
[05:03] <jscinoz> its GPL, reasonably stable, cant see why it shouldnt go in with the other games in the repo
[05:04] <rabiddachshund> cool. thank you.
[05:04] <jscinoz> too late for gutsy though :(
[05:04] <rockets> rabiddachshund, restricted-manager doesnt handle bcm43xx in feisty, and on top of that the package is broken, in the sense that the place it downloads the firmware for no longer exists (in feisty) it works in gutsy
[05:04] <rockets> firmware from*
[05:04] <rabiddachshund> :/
[05:05] <rockets> rabiddachshund, but you can still install the package, then download the windows driver, then point bcm43xx-fwcutter at it
[05:05] <rockets> that will work
[05:05] <rockets> but really you should be asking about this in #ubuntu
[05:06] <rabiddachshund> Actually my question was how well does it work in gutsy. Really well, apparently.
[05:06] <lee__> wao i was able to relintialise the effects
[05:06] <MasterShrek> rabiddachshund, you dont have to go through all that though, thats what that archive i gave you the link for is, the already extracted firmware, no need to get the windows driver or use bcm43xx-fwcutter
[05:06] <rockets> rabiddachshund, fantastically
[05:06] <rockets> Can somebody explain to me the point of having firefox extensions in the repos? It seems silly because youll be stuck with old versions
[05:06] <rockets> its not like you normally have to compile them
[05:07] <rabiddachshund> I've never used an RC before, so is there a chance that gutsy will break my dual boot with vista?
[05:07] <rockets> rabiddachshund, i dual boot with vista
[05:07] <lee__> hmm I am reverting back..I have a fast computer but the graphicscs are messing up
[05:08] <lee__> hmm somethings wrong with the visual effects
[05:09] <MasterShrek> lee__, doesnt surprise me, ive had them working good a million times, and all of a sudden they just stop
[05:10] <rockets> rabiddachshund, yay
[05:10] <MasterShrek> rabiddachshund, good luck
[05:14] <hydrogen> the first thing I did after upgrading was uninstall compiz-fusion and strigi
[05:17] <stdin> but, compiz-fusion isn't installed by default in kubuntu
[05:17] <rockets> hey whats the name of the really awesome mac os x 10.5-like dock
[05:17] <rockets> for linux
[05:18] <rockets> is it avant or something
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> kiba
[05:18] <rockets> ah thats it thanks
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> np
[05:18] <rockets> i hope its in the repos
[05:18] <rockets> !info kibadock
[05:18] <ubotu> Package kibadock does not exist in gutsy
[05:18] <rockets> grr
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> the install is easy
[05:19] <rockets> grr, i just disabled wobbly windows. and my windows are still wobbly!
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> just restart compiz
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> that has worked for me
[05:20] <rockets> k
[05:22] <cdm10> if I run updates, I'll be on the equivalent of the RC, right?
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=268645
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> there ya go rockets
[05:29] <|neon|> any  good soft to do lightscribe i found the lacie web page which has the lacie lightscribbbe that works with k3b have not install it yet
[05:29] <rockets> whats the name of that firefox build thats compiled for specific architectures
[05:29] <rockets> by some guy
[05:29] <rockets> i keep thinking fasterfox but thats an extension
[05:30] <stdin> swiftfox, and the guy is evil, but use it if you want
[05:30] <Jordan_U_Gutsy> rockets: swiftfox, do NOT use it
[05:30] <rockets> Jordan_U_Gutsy, i dont use it, i was just trying to remember
[05:30] <rockets> Jordan_U_Gutsy, its license is evil
[05:30] <|neon|> umm?
[05:31] <rockets> its still an open source license but it doesnt allow you to redistribute binaries
[05:31] <rockets> its stupid
[05:31] <Jordan_U_Gutsy> http://www.getswiftfox.org/
[05:33] <rockets> Jordan_1, is that the reason you say dont use it?
[05:33] <Jordan_1> rockets: That and I doubt that it is noticably faster anyway
[05:33] <rockets> Jordan_1, its not. i have used it
[05:33] <rockets> grr . . . this is so dumb. kcheckgmail is the best gmail notifier, and i have to install all this kde junk to use it. what does arts have to do with a gmail notifier.
[05:40] <ephesius> my firefox won't start any ideas?
[05:41] <rockets> ephesius, run it in a terminal and see what errors display
[05:42] <ephesius> rockets, so far i have this (firefox-bin:16088): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "murrine",
[05:43] <rockets> hah
[05:43] <rockets> i have no idea what that means
[05:43] <rockets> but mozilla has an irc server
[05:43] <rockets> you might have better luck there
[05:43] <rockets> or you can try purging firefox and reinstalling
[05:43] <ephesius> gutsy should have the murrine engine installed by default right
[05:43] <ephesius> yea i tried that already
[05:43] <rockets> ephesius, not just a reinstall. remove with --purge
[05:45] <ephesius> so i installed the gtk-engines-murrine package and now i don't get the error but still nothing haha
[05:45] <rockets> lol
[05:51] <AncientRelic> I'm trying to install the gutsy beta on my new laptop
[05:52] <Konam> dennisharrison hey, did you got my msg?
[05:54] <rockets> wtf
[05:54] <rockets> why is linux-generic in restricted
[05:54] <stdin> because it depends on linux-restricted-modules
[05:54] <rockets> ah
[05:56] <SuperLag> you guys getting this message at all: ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[05:56] <SuperLag> ?
[06:00] <stdin> yeah, from dpkg, it's a good think
[06:00] <stdin> thinG
[06:02] <jpt9> hey
[06:03] <wers> why isn't ksync in the gutsy repos?
[06:03] <jpt9> my thinkpad made the ubuntu startup sound for the first time with the release candidate :-)
[06:03] <jpt9> anyway...
[06:03] <speedy20> how do i upgrade to gutsy from feisty?
[06:03] <jpt9> i have an nvidia gfx card.
[06:03] <bascule> ah well sound is a nice thing
[06:03] <hydrogen> see the topic speedy20
[06:03] <rockets> great. aptitude just core dumped
[06:03] <jpt9> it needs restricted drivers to do compiz.
[06:04] <dennisharrison> Konam, heya you there?
[06:04] <AncientRelic> speedy20: wait about a week
[06:04] <jpt9> is there any way to get around having to restart the computer (as that won't work if i'm using the livecd)?
[06:04] <speedy20> a week for wat?
[06:04] <AncientRelic> speedy20: The offiical release of Gutsy
[06:05] <AncientRelic> If you really want to live dangerously, from a terminal type "sudo dist-upgrade -d"
[06:05] <stdin> speedy20: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[06:05] <speedy20> oh ok....gutsy is like a upgraded version of feisty ?  what exactly is it?
[06:05] <hydrogen> .. or just look at the topic
[06:05] <hydrogen> where it tells you
[06:05] <hydrogen> everything
[06:05] <hydrogen> if you are incapable of doing that you probably are not someone who wants ot upgrade
[06:05] <Konam> dennisharrison yes
[06:06] <jpt9> any ideas?
[06:06] <dennisharrison> Konam, how are things going?  and no I haven't seen any messages from you, you need to register with freenode and get +e from services
[06:07] <Konam> dennisharrison I am registered
[06:07] <jpt9> also, to whoever i was asking about getting synaptic working off the livecd last time...
[06:07] <jpt9> it works in the release candidate :-D
[06:07] <Konam> dennisharrison I just that I'm not log in
[06:08] <dennisharrison> ahh ok
[06:08] <AncientRelic> I'm impressed with Gutsy, everything even works with my ATI video card
[06:08] <dennisharrison> AncientRelic, what card?
[06:08] <AncientRelic> dennisharrison: ATI X300SE PCIe
[06:09] <AncientRelic> dennisharrison: $22 cheapie
[06:09] <dennisharrison> Konam, did you resolve your issue by rolling drivers back?  if not would you mind running a few tests with me?
[06:09] <dennisharrison> AncientRelic, hah, very neat
[06:10] <Konam> dennisharrison no, I don't mind, what should I do?
[06:10] <dennisharrison> Konam, has your issue changed at all?
[06:10] <Konam> dennisharrison no,
[06:11] <dennisharrison> are you registered with nickserv now so I can take this to pm ?
[06:11] <Konam> dennisharrison give me the command to log me in
[06:11] <Konam> please
[06:12] <rockets> AncientRelic, if you install xgl it will be configured for you automatically :-D
[06:12] <AncientRelic> rockets, I did just that
[06:12] <dennisharrison> Konam, /msg nickserv identify <password>
[06:12] <rockets> AncientRelic, isnt that great :-D, no more screwing with sessions
[06:13] <AncientRelic> rockets, its lovely
[06:13] <hydrogen> protip
[06:13] <AncientRelic> A sub-200 Linux box with COmpiz
[06:13] <lee__> erg, Ijust downlaoded an antiviurs and it said me deffinitions were over 4days old lol
[06:13] <hydrogen> if you configure konversation's freenode entry, you can set the serverpassword to be the password for your nick and get logged in
[06:13] <lee__> eh 40
[06:13] <Konam> dennisharrison already in, check my msg
[06:13] <hydrogen> without running a command for the identity
[06:14] <ChaosParser> hydrogen, you are my hero.
[06:14] <lee__> eh how dow we update the browser?
[06:14] <rockets> w00t solved my splash screen issue
[06:15] <rockets> usplash.conf was set to 1280x1024 and my system only goes to 1280x800
[06:15] <rockets> Can I set usplash to a widescreen resolution like 1280x800
[06:16] <AncientRelic> when did the RC come out, I feel like I just got the Beta last week :D
[06:16] <lee__> rocets taht sounds like a hig def tv
[06:16] <rockets> lee__, no, its a 15" laptop lol
[06:17] <lee__> oooh lol
[06:17] <lee__> one would think that now crt are going out they soon will stop this 85 mhz and 60mhz
[06:17] <lee__> nad use 65 mhz lol
[06:17] <lee__> eh I mean 60
[06:18] <ChaosParser> lee__: Ah, but isn't one of linux's strengths being able to work on medicore hardware?  :-p
[06:18] <lee__> I have hdmi out too
[06:18] <lee__> hmm you have a point there lol
[06:18] <lee__> but they have stopped seeling crt :(
[06:19] <lee__> and my crt is dying :(
[06:19] <ChaosParser> lee__: Yes, well.  They've stopped selling 533Mhz processors, but some people still use them.
[06:19] <lee__> can't afford even the cheap lcdss yet
[06:19] <lee__> 533..wahts taht lol
[06:19] <lee__> Oh p1
[06:19] <CrackedIce> 533's can still be purchased
[06:19] <bascule> lee__: buy a cheap laptop, they'll throw a lcd in
[06:20] <logreeval> If I install the new Gutsy RC then when the final release comes out, will it have to redownload the entire thing?
[06:20] <CrackedIce> most manufacturers just don't produce them
[06:20] <lee__> lol
[06:20] <usser> logreeval: no
[06:20] <CrackedIce> log, no, it will upgrade
[06:20] <usser> logreeval: nonsense of course not ))
[06:20] <ChaosParser> CrackedIce: stfu, nitpicker.
[06:20] <lee__> well ones tfer sure this program barely put a dent in my 80 gig hd
[06:20] <logreeval> as in, just a few packages or something?
[06:20] <usser> logreeval: bug fixes mostly
[06:20] <lee__> well one hting I learned
[06:20] <CrackedIce> the one's that have changes made
[06:21] <logreeval> will it be that substantial?
[06:21] <lee__> leave my graphics card in the not used selcetion
[06:21] <logreeval> i have a download limit of 425MB
[06:21] <lee__> saves on crashes
[06:21] <CrackedIce> it's usually just bug fixes, minor patches and changes, not entire debs
[06:21] <usser> logreeval: that should be enough
[06:21] <CrackedIce> so you should be safe
[06:21] <logreeval> sounds great
[06:21] <logreeval> lol
[06:21] <lee__> oh he other thing that is wierd and I don't understand..is why am i able to do effects on my ata but not my ide?
[06:22] <logreeval> cause i got a new build coming in soon, and i didnt want it to sit and wither away
[06:22] <ChaosParser> lee__: What sort of effects?
[06:22] <lee__> oh can any recomend a good accoung piece of software
[06:22] <lee__> the woble
[06:22] <hydrogen> does your harddrive fade in and out of existance?
[06:22] <CrackedIce> lol
[06:22] <lee__> actaully all of them basically
[06:23] <hydrogen> hmm
[06:23] <hydrogen> I'd say if your ata harddrive is doing 'the wobble' you have a screw missing
[06:23] <lee__> hmm no, its a 40 gig ps2 hdd lol
[06:23] <bascule> ps2????
[06:23] <lee__> no..its a bend in time and space lol
[06:23] <lee__> oh the ps2 had linux..but..I cnat get it on it
[06:24] <bascule> ah, an event horizon
[06:24] <lee__> so, now I suffer through ffxi
[06:24] <frostburn> Only i can control space and time, and your ps2 is not a depression in my manifold.   Also, why a ps2?
[06:25] <lee__> lol because it makes for a cheap computer lol
[06:25] <logreeval> thanks guys
[06:25] <frostburn> go get an xbox
[06:25] <lee__> actaully the linux that was for it had a few goodies
[06:25] <darius_> There are about 50 bugs filed for the ipw3945 driver failing after returning from standy.  It was a problem in Feisty but it's even worse (for me) in Gutsy.  This driver (aside from the card firmware) is opensource -- for the love of god wtf? :)
[06:25] <lee__> oh I have an xbox
[06:25] <bascule> ah as in playstatio2, I was thinking mouse ports ... :))
[06:25] <frostburn> lee__, go mod it?
[06:25] <lee__> I  have the ps2 plus version
[06:26] <lee__> fromod it, then I can use this linux hehee?
[06:26] <frostburn> ?
[06:26] <lee__> oh man I am a lous typest whne tired
[06:27] <frostburn> ?
[06:27] <CrackedIce> darius, yes, ipw3945 is buggy, but it seems platform specific, mine runs w. out a hitch
[06:27] <RAOF> darius_: Well, it works for me, too.
[06:27] <lee__> the PS2 once had linux that came out for itin america, it was then later banned here in the us
[06:27] <lee__> no idea why
[06:27] <darius_> there's literally 50 bugs for it!
[06:27] <CrackedIce> i know =] 
[06:27] <CrackedIce> i had a problem w. it too, but after some 3rd party repos, it was good again
[06:28] <darius_> My machine was sold with Ubuntu
[06:28] <lee__> cool
[06:28] <darius_> it's a sad state of affairs
[06:28] <lee__> why is it a sad state of afairs
[06:29] <hydrogen> ipw3945 is being replaced by something..
[06:29] <hydrogen> I completely forget what thoguh
[06:29] <riotkittie> weird.  my desktop's showing three mounted CDs. it was four, until i ejected one.
[06:29] <lee__> eh I have a dell diminsion 5150
[06:29] <CrackedIce> hydrogen you're right, but i forget too
[06:29] <bascule> riotkittie: that makes sense 4 -1 = 3 :)
[06:29] <hydrogen> its iXX####
[06:29] <darius_> lee__: a machine that is sold with Ubuntu with a network card that has a vendor supported/provided opensource drive, that had the same problem in a previous release
[06:29] <riotkittie> bascule: well yes and no.  :P
[06:30] <lee__> just some wierd thing aobut hyper threading in the ati card and som wierd thing about..dual threaidng processor
[06:30] <riotkittie> i mean 4 - 1 does = 3 but.
[06:30] <ChaosParser>  iwl3945
[06:30] <lee__> oh I see dariouse
[06:30] <lee__> eh darius
[06:30] <hydrogen> yea
[06:31] <ChaosParser> hydrogen: , darius_, CrackedIce, its being replaced by  iwl3945
[06:31] <CrackedIce> thank you beth =] 
[06:31] <vmlinuz`> worest p2p client i ever saw is amule. Anyone know a better one?
[06:31] <lee__> say how ca n one tell of te intell processor can hand a 64 bit piece of soft ware?
[06:31] <darius_> ChaosParser: is iwl3945 ready to replace it now or still unstable?
[06:31] <ChaosParser> lee__: is it a 64 bit capable processor?
[06:31] <frostburn> lee__, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[06:32] <ChaosParser> darius_: Ugh, lemme google it.
[06:32] <bascule> lee__: an intel 386 can't
[06:32] <darius_> ChaosParser: I can dig - just thought you might now
[06:32] <lee__> hmm just a sec how do I check the processor
[06:32] <lee__> oh
[06:32] <ChaosParser> darius_: It appears to be stable in Fedora Core 7
[06:32] <lee__> dumb ? lol just a sec
[06:33] <darius_> wish it had made its way into Gutsy :/
[06:33] <ChaosParser> darius_: http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi
[06:33] <CrackedIce> darius, it is going to be in gutsy i think
[06:33] <ChaosParser> CrackedIce: What package manager does fedora use?
[06:33] <darius_> there's only a week left isn't there? :)
[06:33] <CrackedIce> fedora uses rpm
[06:34] <bascule> yum
[06:34] <lee__> eh its a p4
[06:34] <bascule> which isn't well named i assure you
[06:34] <ChaosParser> darius_: Grab the fedora package and use Alien to convert it to a .deb
[06:34] <CrackedIce> lol, rpm is the package manager, yum is the installer. silly
[06:34] <RAOF> darius_: iwl works reasonably well.
[06:34] <ChaosParser> Oh crap.  Does alien work on gutsy?
[06:34] <lee__> clflush size    : 64
[06:34] <ChaosParser> Anyone try?
[06:35] <CrackedIce> it does =D
[06:35] <CrackedIce> alien is stable
[06:35] <RAOF> darius_: I find it doesn't survive a resume from suspend, though :)
[06:35] <ChaosParser> yay
[06:35] <darius_> hah, great
[06:35] <DShepherd> RAOF, whats your spec?
[06:35] <lee__> what the heck is an fpu extenstion?
[06:35] <RAOF> But then again, I find that ipw *does* resume from suspend, so maybe iwl will for you :)
[06:36] <RAOF> DShepherd: 3945 card, C2D, etc.
[06:36] <frostburn> lee__, floating point unit
[06:36] <darius_> It's been a breeze to convert people to Ubuntu - except for hardware.  Hardware has been a bigger problem than support for their favorite software packages.  That's painful
[06:36] <CrackedIce> darius
[06:36] <frostburn> lee__, before 386 (or was it 486) floating point operations could be done on an external fpu
[06:36] <RAOF> darius_: That's the way it goes, sadly.
[06:36] <ChaosParser> darius_: Gutsy is has made awesome progress.
[06:37] <CrackedIce> that's because many hw manus don't support linux, and are propritary so won't release the sources for their drivers for us to convert them over
[06:37] <frostburn> darius_, actually linux supports more devices than any other system
[06:37] <darius_> yeah, Gutsy is definitely a worthy upgrade - but still, the same hardware problems
[06:37] <ChaosParser> darius_: Gutsy has honestly made installing Ubuntu EASIER than windows. On all four of my PCs.
[06:37] <lee__>  Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
[06:37] <darius_> frostburn: that's debatable
[06:37] <lee__> eh does that answer lol?
[06:37] <CrackedIce> darius, no it's not
[06:38] <frostburn> darius_, windows doesn't run on sparc =] 
[06:38] <bascule> ChaosParser: linux has installed easier than windows for about 3 years IMO
[06:38] <darius_> yeah, nice example
[06:38] <CrackedIce> linux kernel otb supports way more hw than any other os on the market
[06:38] <ChaosParser> darius_: Uhm.  No.  The generic linux vanilla kernel supports more than anything else.  Period.
[06:38] <darius_> too bad that doesn't help real Ubuntu users :)
[06:38] <lee__> so waht ama I looking for taht says what?
[06:38] <lee__> I cant figure out this dual threading stuff
[06:38] <darius_> what about real desktop users
[06:38] <CrackedIce> lee, what's to figure out?
[06:38] <ChaosParser> bascule: I mean as far as time to get everything working properly.  Previous to Gutsy I had network, sound, and video issues during instals.
[06:38] <hylje> darius_: it might not help *each* and *every* but most are fine. stop trolling.
[06:39] <frostburn> bascule, i did the same thing to my family.  I told them that windows support has run out and will only support ubuntu.  no complaints
[06:39] <bascule> CrackedIce: sure I see the point, cause if hardware doesn't just work, it is hard -> impossible to get working
[06:39] <CrackedIce> linux runs on calcs, pdas, even robots. it runs on desktops, servers, workstations, etc. it's just better. period
[06:39] <darius_> hylje: few people convert more people to Ubuntu than me - you don't have a troll here.  But the statement that hardware is better supported by Ubuntu that any other OS is misleading
[06:39] <lee__> wahts a cashflush size?
[06:40] <ChaosParser> bascule: Its never impossible.  If you tried hard enough you could probably install linux on a dead badger.
[06:40] <CrackedIce> lol, you'd just have to write the drivers yourself
[06:40] <lee__> bogomips        : 5586.04
[06:40] <ChaosParser> CrackedIce: Yeah.  But at least you have that option.
[06:40] <CrackedIce> just most linux users today are too lazy to take the inititive
[06:40] <bascule> frostburn: well good on you for that, I work as a tech, in 4 years i has seen no linux machines on my desk, I have seen 3 in the last month, all ubuntu
[06:40] <lee__> waht the heck is a bogmip lol
[06:41] <frostburn> lee__, www.google.com =P
[06:41] <bascule> ChaosParser: lol
[06:41] <darius_> CrackedIce: silly.  Most linux users couldn't write a driver if you gave them 6 months with nothing else to do
[06:41] <ChaosParser> darius_: I think that depends on the distro.
[06:41] <CrackedIce> and the user
[06:41] <awalton__> "mips" = millions of instructions per second, "bogo" means "calculated as best we can", or "bogus"
[06:41] <ChaosParser> darius_: I betcha Sorcerer users could more often than say, PCLinuxOS users.
[06:41] <DShepherd> and the 6 months
[06:41] <riotkittie> i'm sure i could write a driver for six months. it wouldnt work, on any level, and it would exist solely in a text file, but i could do it. :x
[06:42] <riotkittie> err in. not for.
[06:42] <darius_> well, this is an Ubuntu channel I'm speaking in.  you could have taken it globally I guess, but it would still be true
[06:42] <awalton__> lee__, for intel machines, it's generally 2x the number of mhz of your processor, for arm is generally about 1x
[06:42] <riotkittie> but you didnt say it had to serve a purpose. or have functionality. :x
[06:42] <ChaosParser> Hey, CrackedIce.  Next time we end up partying, wanna write a driver?
[06:42] <CrackedIce> darius, how do you think we GOT the drivers we have now?
[06:42] <CrackedIce> haha, fo sho
[06:42] <CrackedIce> i wrote my own kernel btw chaos
[06:43] <darius_> CrackedIce: it was the effort of "most" Ubuntu users.  It was the effort of a minorty of linux users that are extremely capable and kind
[06:43] <ChaosParser> CrackedIce: I don't think Sho needs drivers.  OOOOoh. unless we could write a sho driver that would make her stop calling happy meal every 3 seconds.
[06:43] <CrackedIce> lmao
[06:43] <CrackedIce> omg
[06:43] <CrackedIce> wow
[06:43] <CrackedIce> <3
[06:43] <ChaosParser> <3
[06:43] <ChaosParser> darius_: Yer a very negative person.
[06:43] <CrackedIce> agreed
[06:44] <ChaosParser> darius_: I mean, I work tech support too.  I did tech support for the worst possible users in the whole WORLD.  And still.  You are negative.
[06:44] <darius_> maybe you're just optimistic .. even a little zealotous
[06:44] <ChaosParser> I did technical support for AOL for a year.
[06:44] <ChaosParser> I am NOT optimistic.
[06:44] <Tm_T> ok kids, calm down
[06:44] <frostburn> you have my sympathy
[06:44] <riotkittie> hahahaha.
[06:44] <darius_> I'm just honestly responding to your statement
[06:45] <darius_> I love Ubuntu and push it - but with care
[06:45] <CrackedIce> me and her both did AOL tech support
[06:45] <riotkittie> that must have been a great job.
[06:45] <ChaosParser> riotkittie: It was awesome, in retrospect.
[06:45] <CrackedIce> i didn't want the place to get shot up, i just wanted to shoot myself =[
[06:45] <bascule> ChaosParser: surprised you are still alive after 1 year aol
[06:45] <vmlinuz`> It's weird, i try to "put file" into another shell account using "ftp" and it say no such file/directory, when the file is there. Thus i click "tab" to complete the file location. http://pastebin.com/m4cc1214
[06:45] <vmlinuz`> can someone tell me why its saying that
[06:46] <CrackedIce> did you ls the current dir to make SURE its there?
[06:46] <vmlinuz`> yep
[06:46] <vmlinuz`> its there
[06:46] <ChaosParser> Aww, it wasn't that bad.  Lots of football, accidentally hanging up on people, learning aikdo during calls.  Surfing the net.... etc.
[06:46] <bascule> :)
[06:46] <ChaosParser> vmlinuz`: Case right?
[06:46] <CrackedIce> are you ftping to another machine?
[06:47] <bascule> standard tech job then ChaosParser
[06:47] <frostburn> vmlinuz`, do you have permissions to open that file
[06:47] <vmlinuz`> ChaosParser: I write it with <tab> and it completed it, hence its there
[06:47] <vmlinuz`> frostburn: hm. What permission the file should be? I created it using my X server. so Its obvious that my username should have access to it
[06:48] <ChaosParser> bascule: Nuh uh.  Corporate Sector Hardware Warranty support now, and no web browsing.  :(  Or hanging up on people.
[06:48] <CrackedIce> try chmodding to 0777
[06:48] <CrackedIce> to be safe
[06:48] <frostburn> vmlinuz`, not sure what ftp server you're using but you may not have enough permissions to write
[06:48] <frostburn> CrackedIce, other side, not client
[06:49] <vmlinuz`> frostburn: k
[06:49] <CrackedIce> frostburn, i meant the dir on the other side
[06:49] <frostburn> =] 
[06:49] <CrackedIce> if he has access to it
[06:50] <vmlinuz`> frostburn: I did "sudo chmod 777 filename"
[06:50] <vmlinuz`> and try to upload, still doesn't work.
[06:50] <CrackedIce> vmlinuz, i was looking, try to cd to the Desktop dir, and try the command again from there as "put ./file that i'm not typing out
[06:51] <frostburn> vmlinuz`, the folder you are writign to might be write protected
[06:51] <vmlinuz`> frostburn: how to check/change that pls?
[06:51] <frostburn> or your ftp account name doesn't give permissions to write to that folder
[06:51] <CrackedIce> frostburn, he gave it global write permission, it's not protected =p
[06:51] <CrackedIce> oh, he did the file, not the folder
[06:52] <CrackedIce> doi
[06:52] <vmlinuz`> it worked the way CrackedIce told me to do
[06:52] <vmlinuz`> I wonder why
[06:52] <vmlinuz`> why i can't "put /path/path/file"
[06:52] <vmlinuz`> but if i go "cd /path/path" then "ftp server" then "put file" it work
[06:52] <CrackedIce> because you were trying to put it to a path that doesn't exist on the server side
[06:52] <frostburn> lee__, i've seen you around for the past few days on several channels, are you interested in learning the guts of linux?
[06:52] <lee__> WOW its a 64 bit processo an em 64t or something like that
[06:53] <lee__> yes
[06:53] <frostburn> lee__, got a free computer?
[06:53] <lee__> eh no
[06:53] <frostburn> lee__, got vmware?
[06:53] <lee__> that is why i was hoping to use myps2
[06:53] <stdin> vmlinuz`: there is a  "lcd" command in ftp to cd to a local directory
[06:53] <lee__> oh wait, i have a 40 guig hd
[06:53] <vmlinuz`> CrackedIce: so thats an "ftp" client bug right?
[06:53] <vmlinuz`> stdin: thanks
[06:54] <steve__> I'm doing the distro upgrade and it seems to have frozen on "configuring wvdial". It's been sitting there for about half an hour now.
[06:54] <CrackedIce> no, it's not a bug
[06:54] <frostburn> lee__, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/index.xml  install that and you'll learn everything you need to know
[06:54] <lee__> i can just change over so yes
[06:54] <bascule> slight exegeration frostburn
[06:55] <frostburn> bascule, perhaps, but it's a good start =] 
[06:55] <lee__> ok i bm the page.. i am going to lokk at tht processor a second time in th bios
[06:55] <bascule> frostburn: LFS is the true learning experience :)
[06:56] <frostburn> bascule, eh, gentoo docs are better maintained when you get stuck
[06:56] <steve__> I'm doing the distro upgrade and it seems to have frozen on "configuring wvdial". It's been sitting there for about half an hour now. Is it hosed or what?
[06:56] <bascule> frostburn: yeah gentoo raised the bar on docs for all distros everywhere
[06:58] <A_is_A> ok, ive upgraded to gutsy. gparted will not start, and i am unable to mount sdb1
[06:59] <frostburn> A_is_A, are you root?
[06:59] <CrackedIce> or at least sudoing?
[06:59] <A_is_A> yes im sudoing
[06:59] <A_is_A> no dice
[06:59] <hydrogen> all installing gentoo or lfs teaches you is how to follow instructions
[06:59] <frostburn> what error?
[06:59] <A_is_A> frostburn: me?
[06:59] <frostburn> A_is_A, yes
[07:00] <CrackedIce> A_is_A: yeah, you
[07:00] <A_is_A> i dont get an error. it just scans forever and never finds anythings
[07:00] <lee__> its confirmd the processor Iam currently running is an EM64T
[07:00] <bascule> hydrogen: nah, lfs explains what the packages do and why they go in in that order
[07:00] <lee__> so does that mean I should be running 64 bit lol
[07:01] <CrackedIce> A_is_A: are you sure your device is sda1? did you check fstab? and you should receive an error upon an unsuccessful mount or if gparted won't start
[07:01] <hydrogen> bascule: however, anyone crazy enough to install lfs most likely knows the basic building blocks of a system already
[07:01] <A_is_A> as for info...its formatted ext3....its not ntfs or anything like that
[07:01] <cellofellow> Can I get the Compiz water effect to work like xDesktopWaves?
[07:01] <hydrogen> so it doesn't teach you that
[07:01] <bascule> lee__: you are aware that PS2 is a PPC ?
[07:01] <A_is_A> it was sdb1 before the upgrade from fiesty
[07:01] <frostburn> lee__, you're running a p4, right?
[07:01] <bascule> hydrogen: I didn't, just tried it and leared as I went
[07:01] <nemik> hi guys. what's going on in this chat?
[07:02] <lee__> on my pc yes eh not the ps2
[07:02] <lee__> yes
[07:02] <bascule> ok
[07:02] <CrackedIce> A_is_A: it should automatically mount on boot, does it not?
[07:02] <hydrogen> bascule: and did you realize how much of a waste of time lfs was along the way?
[07:02] <bascule> yes
[07:02] <A_is_A> no
[07:02] <lee__> its stating that it is a EM64t
[07:02] <bascule> :))
[07:02] <frostburn> lee__, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1 start there
[07:02] <A_is_A> should i pastebin my fsttab?
[07:02] <A_is_A> i think i found the oprb
[07:02] <frostburn> em64t= amd64 = x86_64
[07:03] <ChaosParser> A_is_A: Are you opening gparted from the icon or a terminal?
[07:03] <CrackedIce> A_is_A: what seems to be the issue?
[07:03] <A_is_A> it has a bunch of parameters for an ntfs drive...ill pastebin it
[07:03] <CrackedIce> A_is_A: is it gpart or gparted?
[07:03] <ChaosParser> A_is_A: Open it from a terminal, then move the terminal so you can see it, and it should show you the error, even if you don't get a graphical error.
[07:03] <A_is_A> gparted
[07:03] <bascule> hydrogen: but it undoubtedly gave me a huge amount of insight into low level sytem understanding
[07:03] <A_is_A> i dont get an error in the terminal
[07:03] <steve__> the love in here is just overwhelming.
[07:04] <lee__> eh where do I start then?
[07:04] <A_is_A> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40331/
[07:04] <frostburn> lee__, read =P
[07:04] <A_is_A> sdb1 isnt ntfs anymore
[07:04] <CrackedIce> good.
[07:04] <A_is_A> hasnt been for a while...but i worked in fiesty
[07:04] <A_is_A> so what should i change it too
[07:05] <CrackedIce> well you said it's ext3, so you should have it set as such, with the appropriate options
[07:05] <gunashekar> hi
[07:05] <jdrake> I do not have the system admin entry for managing users. Is there a way to determine if it is infact installed? (I am also missing the entry for synaptic, but I know it is installed).
[07:07] <CrackedIce> jdrake, try sudo alacarte, see if it opens the menu editor for you, and see if they are listed in there in the appropriate locations
[07:07] <CrackedIce> if they are, place a check by them
[07:07] <Amaranth> No!
[07:07] <Amaranth> Never run alacarte as root
[07:07] <CrackedIce> crap
[07:07] <CrackedIce> yeah, you're right
[07:07] <CrackedIce> just run alacarte
[07:07] <CrackedIce> not sudo
[07:07] <ChaosParser> lmao.
[07:08] <ChaosParser> Good one, CrackedIce
[07:08] <CrackedIce> haha, yeah yeah
[07:08] <CrackedIce> brain fart
[07:09] <jdrake> Too late
[07:10] <jdrake> sudo chown -R jdrake:jdrake .config/*
[07:10] <jdrake> then fixed
[07:10] <CrackedIce> awesome
[07:10] <jdrake> yep, the entries are there
[07:10] <jdrake> Merci
[07:10] <jdrake> I click the item and within a second or two it unchecks itself
[07:11] <jdrake> No entry in the terminal explaining why
[07:11] <CrackedIce> i've seen that before, just remove the entry and recreate it, that USUALLY sovles it
[07:11] <ChaosParser> jdrake: I've had that bug.  Reboot.
[07:11] <ChaosParser> I hate that bug.
[07:11] <CrackedIce> ditto
[07:11] <jdrake> Now I have just updated a few things today.
[07:12] <jdrake> ok, I guess reboot I do, brb.
[07:14] <vmlinuz`> I can't make 2 btorrents download run at the same time?
[07:14] <bascule> vmlinuz`: change clients
[07:15] <vmlinuz`> what other client
[07:15] <bascule> well I am a K* person so I use ktorrent, but tere are others
[07:15] <CrackedIce> bittornado
[07:15] <bascule> there you go :)
[07:15] <CrackedIce> or opera ;] 
[07:16] <bascule> opera torrents, well well well ..
[07:16] <ChaosParser> Opera FTW.
[07:16] <CrackedIce> mmhm, opera pwns firefox
[07:16] <hylje> opera has one built in
[07:16] <ChaosParser> That's what I'm using to chat here right now.
[07:16] <CrackedIce> lmao ChaosParser, opera FTW indeed
[07:16] <macogw_> im using Deluge
[07:16] <bascule> i used opera on win but preferred firefox when i went full time linux
[07:17] <macogw_> i like KTorrent too though
[07:17] <CrackedIce> bascule: opera on linux is much more stable than firefox
[07:17] <CrackedIce> sadly
[07:17] <bascule> is it, maybe give it another go
[07:17] <ChaosParser> bascule: I love that my mail, rss feeds, chat and browsing are all one program :)
[07:17] <macogw_> seamonkey?
[07:17] <frostburn> CrackedIce, i haven't had firefox crash since gutsy
[07:17] <bascule> yeah it is a slick app and no oubt about it
[07:18] <CrackedIce> bascule: i'd recommend it
[07:18] <frostburn> vmlinuz`, use azureus, but get it from sourceforge
[07:18] <ChaosParser> macogw: Seamonkey is still no Opera.
[07:18] <CrackedIce> frostburn: i have =p
[07:18] <frostburn> CrackedIce, what error?
[07:18] <bascule> CrackedIce: I remember just how fast it was in win,
[07:18] <vmlinuz`> http://pastebin.com/m34b1710c
[07:18] <ChaosParser> There is no browser that does tabs as well as Opera.  .
[07:18] <vmlinuz`> frostburn: can it download multiple torrents at same time?
[07:19] <frostburn> vmlinuz`, and the kitchen sink
[07:19] <CrackedIce> frostburn: no error, just freezes up
[07:19] <vmlinuz`> frostburn: and why should ig et it from sourceforge, isnt it availble in apt-get
[07:19] <ChaosParser> vmlinuz`: Yeah, it is.
[07:19] <bascule> yeah ftp session management and all sorts, lacks extensions though
[07:19] <frostburn> vmlinuz`, the one in the repos are quirky
[07:19] <macogw> why doesn't firefox compile on gutsy?
[07:19] <vmlinuz`> okay
[07:19] <macogw> it will only "make" on feisty
[07:20] <jdrake> I have rebooted, and it does not fix the alacarte bug
[07:20] <ChaosParser> jdrake: Do you have compiz on?
[07:20] <bascule> macogw: well it does or there wuldn;t be a .deb, but I dunno other than that
[07:20] <macogw> i need to compile it for a class
[07:21] <frostburn> macogw, you don't have the deps or configuration correct
[07:21] <jdrake> ChaosParser: yes
[07:21] <macogw> and really they probably took mozilla's dynamically linked tarball and put a debian postinst script to put it in the right place
[07:21] <macogw> i did "sudo apt-get build-dep firefox"
[07:21] <ChaosParser> jdrake: Turn it off, close alacarte, then reopen alacarte and try again
[07:21] <macogw> and ./configure doesnt say anything's wrong
[07:21] <frostburn> macogw, do ./configure --verbose
[07:21] <macogw> it just dies on nsCanvasContext2D
[07:22] <macogw> ok
[07:22] <jdrake> ChaosParser: no change
[07:22] <bascule> ns, hmm SSL stuff IIRC
[07:22] <vmlinuz`> frostburn: now how ot change my default torrent client from bittorrent which only can download 1 file at a time, to azureus for multiple download
[07:22] <CrackedIce> vmlinuz, it's in the prefrences
[07:22] <ChaosParser> jdrake: I fixed this the other day.... lemme see if I can recreate the issue on my PC.  One sec.
[07:24] <frostburn> macogw, what version are you compiling, i'm going to try as well
[07:24] <macogw> 2.0.0.7
[07:24] <macogw> i did find an error in config.log
[07:24] <macogw> http://pastebin.ca/733911
[07:24] <macogw> i havent finished skimming through it
[07:24] <CrackedIce> jdrake: have you tried to remove the entries from alacarte, and recreating them?
[07:25] <macogw> but i got the build-dep from apt
[07:25] <jdrake> No, and I don't fancy that option.
[07:25] <ChaosParser> jdrake: Okay.  Hightlight the desired item.  Then Right click to get the menu to edit... but dont.  then left click to highlight the item again, and the checkmark will stay.
[07:25] <ChaosParser> jdrake: Its odd, but it works.
[07:25] <macogw> and its the tarball from http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0.0.7/source/
[07:26] <macogw> frostburn: ^^
[07:26] <ChaosParser> jdrake: Alternately, using the keyboard to select things will work.
[07:26] <macogw> though it fails with the source package as well
[07:26] <bascule> configure:5590: error: size of array 'static_assert_line_5589' is negative <- error
[07:26] <macogw> so that's an error in the actual firefox code though then, isnt it?
[07:26] <bascule> well yes
[07:27] <jdrake> ChaosParser: Do you mean to have the checkmark be checked on the first click after the menu is opened? At this time one click to close the menu and another to check it - which summarily disappears right afterwards.
[07:27] <bascule> the build script
[07:27] <ChaosParser> jdrake: No.  The first click should only highlight the line, not checkmark the box.
[07:28] <frostburn> macogw, i'm getting configuration errors
[07:28] <jdrake> Where are the menu entries for this?
[07:28] <CrackedIce> macogw: im getting config errors as well
[07:28] <jdrake> The actual files that is
[07:29] <lee__> ps2 is  a ppc?
[07:29] <lee__> so that means what?
[07:29] <frostburn> macogw, http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Build_Documentation
[07:30] <ChaosParser> jdrake: Just use the keyboard instead.  Its easier.
[07:30] <nevion_> is x86_64's kernel tickless yet?  if so.. any clue when?  I found it really hard to get any info on this...
[07:30] <nevion_> *if not
[07:31] <stdin> the -generic one is
[07:31] <jdrake> ChaosParser: I am trying what you said, but it seems to have no effect.
[07:31] <lee__> oh man this meansd i should be running gutsy in 64 bit erg
[07:31] <macogw> frostburn: i already read that and have my .mozconfig made
[07:31] <nevion_> hmm... well that's what I'm booted into
[07:32] <bascule> lee__: no it is a non-x86 processor you need yellow dog or such for ps2
[07:32] <macogw> one of my friends built it on feisty and using the exact same mozconfig tried on gutsy and it faile
[07:32] <nevion_> any way to tell if its active or do I need to do something special?
[07:32] <macogw> *failed
[07:32] <nevion_> powertop says its not detected...
[07:32] <frostburn> macogw, different distros, go through it and make sure everything is in place.  not sure how much else i can help
[07:32] <alecw2> I'm having problems getting SynfigStudio to run in Gusty. Anyone else having similar problems?
[07:32] <lee__> oh , eh i under stand that part talking about my pc
[07:33] <CrackedIce> alecw2: what ver of the deb are you using, and what repos?
[07:33] <CrackedIce> because i'm not
[07:33] <macogw> frostburn: all the configure options are are just to make it shared instead of static and to enable debugging and "i want to build the browser (as opposed to mail client or calendar)"
[07:33] <alecw2> Crackedlce, I just downloaded it from sudo apt-get, haven't messed with the repos at all
[07:34] <alecw2> CrackedIce: I get this error:
[07:34] <frostburn> macogw, want to pastebin it? i'll see what i can do
[07:34] <frostburn> the .mozconfig
[07:34] <alecw2> GThread-ERROR **: GThread system may only be initialized once.
[07:34] <alecw2> aborting...
[07:34] <alecw2> Aborted (core dumped)
[07:34] <alecw2> In the terminal
[07:34] <CrackedIce> alecw2: check your sources.list, see if you have the backports and proposed enabled. if not, enable and update, then do an upgrade.
[07:34] <CrackedIce> try that first
[07:34] <stdin> nevion_: if " grep "CONFIG_NO_HZ" /boot/config-$(uname -r) " shows "CONFIG_NO_HZ=y" then it's active
[07:34] <CrackedIce> let me see what i can find on the error for ya
[07:35] <nevion_> stdin ah, I didn't think of checking the included config
[07:35] <alecw2> CrackedIce: Can you guide me through it? I've done it before, but it was quite a while ago...
[07:35] <nevion_> or rather I forgot it was included
[07:35] <crdlb> nevion_, it's not
[07:35] <ChaosParser> jdrake: I'm sorry, I dunno why its not working for you.
[07:35] <crdlb> it just hasn't been written yet
[07:35] <crdlb> at least not as of 2.6.22
[07:36] <CrackedIce> alecw2: check your private messages
[07:36] <macogw> frostburn: http://pastebin.ca/733922
[07:36] <jdrake> ChaosParser: Thank you for trying
[07:36] <alecw2> CrackedIce: I don't have any... I'm not registered yet, if that matters.
[07:36] <jdrake> Any ideas on how to disable the mouse wheel functionality on the desktop? (it switches desktops, most annoying)
[07:37] <CrackedIce> alecw2:  it doesn't, you should have a pm
[07:37] <crdlb> jdrake, with compiz?
[07:37] <CrackedIce> what client are you using?
[07:37] <ChaosParser> jdrake: No problem.  I'm the queen of random fixes that make no sense and only work for me.  :-D
[07:37] <alecw2> CrackedIce: I don't. Maybe pastebin?
[07:37] <jdrake> crdlb: si
[07:37] <alecw2> CrackedIce: Pidgin.
[07:37] <crdlb> jdrake, turn off the "Viewport switcher" plugin
[07:37] <crdlb> in ccsm
[07:37] <lee__> eh yellows for ps3
[07:37] <ChaosParser> CrackedIce: Non registered users don't get PMs.
[07:37] <ChaosParser> CrackedIce: Thats pretty much an IRC universal thing.
[07:37] <CrackedIce> ChaosParser: yeah they do
[07:38] <CrackedIce> i'm not registered and i got urs
[07:38] <CrackedIce> so sh
[07:38] <crdlb> ChaosParser, no, they just can't send them to registered users
[07:38] <jdrake> Awesome!
[07:38] <ChaosParser> My bad, my bad.
[07:38] <crdlb> who haven't set themselves unfiltered
[07:38] <frostburn> macogw, my configure worked
[07:38] <CrackedIce> alecwh: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:38] <alecwh> CrackedIce: Now try with alecwh
[07:40] <alecwh> CrackedIce: I didn't get a pm if you sent one. :P Anyway, I'm at the sources.list.
[07:40] <macogw> frostburn: configure finishes for me just fine.  it fails on make and then if i go back and look at config.log there are errors
[07:40] <CrackedIce> alecwh: you also want to make sure it has all the universe and multiverse repos enabled
[07:41] <frostburn> macogw, i'm compiling now, i'll let you know when i get an error
[07:41] <alecwh> CrackedIce: Ok, I uncommented some lines
[07:41] <alecwh> saved it
[07:41] <alecwh> now what?
[07:41] <macogw> frostburn: itll be right after cairo
[07:41] <CrackedIce> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:41] <macogw> when it hits nscanvas
[07:41] <CrackedIce> for safe measures ;] 
[07:41] <alecwh> ok. :)
[07:42] <CrackedIce> try that
[07:42] <CrackedIce> let me look up the issue though
[07:42] <alecwh> ok, downloading package lists.
[07:43] <alecwh> CrackedIce: done.
[07:43] <CrackedIce> did it do the upgrades?
[07:43] <alecwh> it didn't upgrade anything.
[07:43] <CrackedIce> no upgrades?
[07:44] <CrackedIce> hang on, i'm going to send you a file
[07:44] <alecwh> It updated my package lists
[07:44] <alecwh> but no upgrades or updates to software
[07:44] <alecwh> ok
[07:44] <vmlinuz`> azureus doesnt start the download :( its always 0%
[07:44] <n08l3J> hey gutsy folks i just installed it on my dell, i m not able to configure the sound card
[07:44] <n08l3J> any help
[07:44] <alecwh> CrackedIce: I'll send you my email, join /j #blehhh and I'll give it to you (so I don't get spammed)...
[07:45] <lee__> eh if you were wondering where I got the OEM setu up version this is where I go it from http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/7.10/
[07:45] <lee__> eh taht is  how I got the oem version
[07:45] <lee__> which I used for setting this compter up
[07:46] <n08l3J> I am trying to enable the sound on this machine, but when i click on Test in the sound preferences, it says "Could not open resource for writing" ?
[07:46] <frostburn> macogw, http://live.gnome.org/JhbuildIssues/mozilla
[07:47] <CrackedIce> alecwh: use that file as your sources.list
[07:47] <CrackedIce> and then try the commands i told you to run
[07:47] <lee__> OH WOW big Diference in 10 you can lose the broswser and still download
[07:47] <alecwh> CrackedIce: What file? :(
[07:47] <CrackedIce> crap... maybe i should use pidgin too
[07:47] <CrackedIce> alecwh: do you have xchat?
[07:47] <CrackedIce> or aim?
[07:48] <lee__> frostburn Ill take a look at the project tomaorw, plus Ihavent any way to save atm
[07:48] <alecwh> CrackedIce: no, I do have AIM.
[07:48] <alecwh> AIM: phpns
[07:48] <lee__> out of disks lol
[07:49] <frostburn> lee__, no cd-rw?
[07:49] <macogw> frostburn: oh well ill try that then.  i have a former netscape employee going "what the...negative array? is it checking that a long is 8? why's it...what???"
[07:49] <frostburn> or usb keys?
[07:49] <ChaosParser> lolz.
[07:49] <frostburn> macogw, 8 bytes
[07:50] <ChaosParser> n08l3J: What model Dell?
[07:50] <vmlinuz`> frostburn: seeds 0(830) that means there is seeds but they are not working for me, azureus is not downloading at all. what I should do man
[07:50] <macogw> frostburn: well yeah she said sizeof(long) i just kinda mushed everything together when i paraphrased
[07:50] <frostburn> vmlinuz`, you need to port forward with your router and set up the default ports
[07:51] <frostburn> to something else
[07:51] <n08l3J> ChaosParser, Inspiron 1520
[07:51] <vmlinuz`> what default ports frostburn
[07:52] <gunashekar> Gutsy kubuntu works well on my laptop including wireless lan , only problem is my Huawei USB Modem drivers , dont work with niswrapper too
[07:52] <ChaosParser> n08l3J: Do you have any sound?
[07:52] <vmlinuz`> frostburn: done
[07:52] <n08l3J> nope i didnot
[07:52] <vmlinuz`> 6881 - 68896881 - 6889
[07:52] <n08l3J> the sound prefernces doesn't help either :(
[07:52] <frostburn> vmlinuz`, choose a random number higher than 10,000
[07:52] <ChaosParser> what about alsamixer?
[07:52] <ChaosParser> o.o, new xckd.  brb
[07:52] <SuperLag> Is there a way to disable the X config tool that automatically tries to configure my display every #@$@#$#@$ time I boot?
[07:53] <vmlinuz`> frostburn: done from router, but still not downloading
[07:53] <n08l3J> I tried changint it, it says "Could not open resource for writing"
[07:53] <frostburn> vmlinuz`, http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/PortForwarding   give it some time and check if there's any errors, mouse over the little face icon
[07:53] <frostburn> macogw, using http://pastebin.ca/733926 for now, we'll see how far it goes
[07:54] <ChaosParser> n08l3J: Does alsamixer open?
[07:54] <macogw> yeah im compiling now too
[07:54] <kingrayray> http://kingrayray.wallooza.org/Screenshot.png :D
[07:54] <n08l3J> hm.. I am not sure, i am new to ubuntu, please explain a bit more ChaosParser
[07:55] <ChaosParser> n08l3J: Sorry.  Open a terminal, and type alsamixer   into it.
[07:55] <n08l3J> when i tried it on the cli, it says snd_ctl_open failed for default:No such device
[07:55] <n08l3J> seems like the default driver isn't working with this card
[07:56] <gunashekar> my sound works after i changed audio device to OSS
[07:56] <lee__> dang now Iam ticked..Iam missing out 64bit tatse
[07:56] <vmlinuz`> frostburn: it is very hard lol, I did forward ports in my router but now i dont know what to do .. anyways what is the other program name you told me about? bittorrent isnt that complicated but it only download 1 file.
[07:57] <lee__> eh I jsut find one taht has an ISO immage
[07:57] <tech0007> hi everyone
[07:57] <ChaosParser> vmlinuz`: Just use Opera.
[07:57] <n08l3J> hm.. gunashekar how did you do that , imean how did you change the device to oss ?
[07:57] <vmlinuz`> ChaosParser: ok
[07:58] <gunashekar> i use kubuntu , can tell you about that
[07:58] <gunashekar> n08l3J: do you use kubuntu or ubuntu
[07:58] <n08l3J> i am using ubunt gutsy
[07:58] <gunashekar> just look for the sound system settings
[07:59] <lee__> lol, iam using gutsy the eh well Ican't explain it down load
[07:59] <gunashekar> and change the option for audio device
[07:59] <lee__> from cd
[07:59] <n08l3J> I tried using the sound system settings, but it gave me "Could not open the resource for writing"
[07:59] <n08l3J> I am not sure why but it does gave me that error
[08:00] <ChaosParser> n08l3J: Click on Applications>Accessories>Terminal
[08:00] <n08l3J> Okay what else ChaosParser
[08:00] <ChaosParser> in the terminal,type alsamixer
[08:00] <lee__> perhaps my studies into linux will leaving me to wonder why, it dont get viruses lol
[08:00] <n08l3J> it says snd_ctl_open failed for default:No such device
[08:00] <gunashekar> ah then your you have to solve that problem first
[08:01] <ChaosParser> n08l3J: okay.  type in lspci
[08:01] <n08l3J> how ?
[08:01] <ChaosParser> then look for something that looks like a soundcard.
[08:02] <frostburn> macogw, it's a problem with pango, as far as i can see, kind of tired to dig through the code though
[08:02] <macogw> im an idiot
[08:02] <n08l3J> lspci gave me a bunh of entries
[08:02] <n08l3J> bunch
[08:03] <ChaosParser> n08l3J: Do you know what sound card you have?
[08:03] <macogw> last winter my old bf told me to write a doubly linked list in java or he'd break up with me
[08:03] <macogw> i did and last week i deleted it
[08:03] <kingrayray> wtf
[08:03] <macogw> this week i've been assigned to write a doubly linked list in java for class
[08:03] <n08l3J> and the audo device is intel 82801H (ICH8 Family
[08:03] <frostburn> macogw, lol reminds me of my java teacher, she wanted us to write a singly linked list, i did double because it was harder, and she made me redo it -.-
[08:03] <macogw> hahaha
[08:04] <ChaosParser> n08l3J: Gimme a second.
[08:04] <RAOF> macogw: The question is wrong.  Never write doubly-linked lists - that's what the frikkin standard library should be for :P
[08:04] <macogw> well he gave me single in C and said "ok so that's teh basic idea. now write double in java"
[08:04] <macogw> hwh
[08:04] <macogw> *heh
[08:04] <n08l3J> okay ChaosParser
[08:04] <macogw> linked lists dont even make much sense in java
[08:04] <macogw> in C, they're *really* sensible because there are pointers
[08:04] <macogw> i know java references are sorta kinda close
[08:05] <RAOF> macogw: There are pointers in Java, just annoyingly obfuscated.
[08:05] <RAOF> NullPointerException :P
[08:05] <macogw> but honestly, when you're talking about it having a "next" that *points to the next node* actually having pointers makes sense
[08:05] <macogw> yeah
[08:05] <frostburn> god i haven't coded in so long, sigh.
[08:05] <ChaosParser> n08l3J: It looks like you have the same sound cards as some of the latitudes, which means there may be a red hat driver for it..
[08:05] <macogw> im just ticked that i deleted my doubly linked list
[08:06] <RAOF> Eh, write a python script to write doubly-linked-lists in Java :)
[08:06] <n08l3J> okay but how do i get that driver chaos
[08:06] <frostburn> RAOF, my python book is still unopened =|
[08:07] <macogw> is it Jelkner's python book???
[08:07] <RAOF> frostburn: Python *book*?
[08:07] <n08l3J> i just get this laptop recently so seems like this may be a new chip
[08:07] <SuperLag> What is it that tries to automatically detect your display and video card? What's the name of that process?
[08:07] <frostburn> macogw, wesley j chun
[08:07] <macogw> oh
[08:07] <frostburn> RAOF, more like bible
[08:07] <RAOF> Heh.
[08:08] <RAOF> SuperLag: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[08:08] <ChaosParser> n08l3J: http://moelhave.dk/gnulinux-ubuntu-gutsy-gibbon-710-on-the-sony-vaio-sz6-series
[08:08] <SuperLag> RAOF: this Gutsy install would be perfect, if nvidia would work.
[08:08] <ChaosParser> SuperLag: Whats wrong with it?
[08:09] <SuperLag> I can get the nvidia module to load if I manually recompile it every time, but once I reboot, X *always* goes back to vesa
[08:09] <macogw> frostburn: jelkner took downey's "how to think like a computer scientist" (which uses c++) and adapted it to python
[08:10] <RAOF> macogw: SICP
[08:10] <ChaosParser> That's... bizzare.  Pastebin your xorg?
[08:11] <macogw> at least i *think* that's what it is. i just skimmed an interview he did with o'reilly
[08:11] <macogw> RAOF: sicp?
[08:11] <uga> SuperLag: that's because you have installed linux-restricted-modules-*
[08:11] <frostburn> macogw, i have no idea what i used, it was over6 years ago
[08:11] <uga> SuperLag: which installs drivers different from those that you installed from nvidia
[08:11] <macogw> i dont think he did that that long ago
[08:11] <uga> ChaosParser: I read this same problem at least 20 times ;)
[08:11] <uga> not bizarre :P
[08:11] <RAOF> macogw: Structure & Interpretation of Computer Programs.  There are some video lectures from it on the net.
[08:11] <ChaosParser> uga: Meh.  I
[08:11] <RAOF> macogw: It's the reason I wish I'd done my undergrad at MIT :).
[08:11] <ChaosParser> i
[08:12] <macogw> the article's from 2001 i think
[08:12] <ChaosParser> 've never had it.  >.<  Sorry.  Cat on keyboard.
[08:12] <macogw> oh
[08:12] <SuperLag> uga: I need linux-restricted-modules-* for ipw3945, unless there's a way to install it separately
[08:12] <uga> ChaosParser: lrm modules load before the nvidia installed one. And this prevents xorg from working
[08:12] <RAOF> SuperLag: Why have you installed from nvidia.com?
[08:12] <SuperLag> RAOF: because the stock ones don't work either
[08:12] <ChaosParser> uga: Good to know. :)  I've had Gutsy for a whole two days. :-D
[08:13] <uga> SuperLag: then disable it in /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video
[08:13] <uga> SuperLag: it _may_ be enough, not too sure
[08:13] <uga> ChaosParser: heh, same goes for feisty people ;)
[08:13] <uga> SuperLag: anyway, if you install the nvidia-new drivers, it should work I believe
[08:13] <lee__> eh question is it me or is windows prone to more disk write failures when it comes to cd roms?
[08:13] <lee__> or does that part matter?
[08:13] <uga> SuperLag: since, on gutsy, that includes later nvidia driver
[08:14] <RAOF> SuperLag: It'll be easier to fix the Ubuntu drivers than to install nvidia.com drivers & get them to work properly.
[08:14] <uga> RAOF: nvidia drivers work out of the box...
[08:14] <uga> he had it working actually, since he started up fine ;)
[08:15] <uga> RAOF: but lrm needs to be kept up-to-date on a weekly basis at most. Else it'll always be lagging
[08:15] <uga> feisty is broken right now for new nvidia users
[08:15] <uga> and it's not getting fixes
[08:15] <uga> I consider nvidia releases as bugfixes
[08:16] <RAOF> Heh.
[08:16] <lee__> eh this is oging to sound dumb but how do I erease arw lol
[08:16] <RAOF> uga: Apart from almost every driver release which breaks something else? :P
[08:16] <lee__> never mind I found it lol
[08:16] <uga> RAOF: I never had it break my boxes
[08:16] <uga> but at least you know that feisty won't work on new boxes
[08:17] <RAOF> Yes, that's right.
[08:17] <uga> and that users will always keep complaining about nvidia
[08:17] <uga> and funny, some admins at #kubuntu wonder why people have so much trouble with nvidia ;)
[08:17] <uga> it's obvious
[08:17] <lee__> eh ok for real how do I eare the disk lol
[08:17] <uga> they need to disable lrm, remove packages, install the nvidia driver in command line...
[08:18] <RAOF> uga: Users will *always* be complaining about nvidia.  Users will always be complaining about ATI, and intel, etc.
[08:18] <uga> of course it's troublesome for them
[08:18] <frostburn> rabble rabble ati rabble intel rabble rabble
[08:18] <RAOF> uga: Alternatively, add "nv" to /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common :P
[08:18] <uga> RAOF: yeah, but it's even harder than in other distros
[08:18] <uga> at least on other distros when you install nvidia, it just works
[08:18] <RAOF> lee__: How hard do you want to erase it?
[08:18] <uga> in *buntu, it "fails" after rebooting ;))
[08:18] <lee__> eh fast
[08:19] <frostburn> lee__, fdisk
[08:19] <RAOF> lee__: And why do you want ot erase it?
[08:19] <lee__> or..kill every living microbe on it lol
[08:19] <lee__> on the cdrom?
[08:19] <uga> ok, kdelibs built, now on to kdebase
[08:19] <lee__> I have a cdrw that i wnt erased not the HDD lol
[08:20] <frostburn> lee__,  put it in the computer
[08:20] <lee__> yeah I got that part
[08:20] <macogw> RAOF: who complains about intel?
[08:20] <frostburn> are you making an iso?
[08:21] <lee__> yes but I need to erase a disk first
[08:21] <RAOF> macogw: The drivers suck.  Dual head sucks :P.
[08:21] <macogw> oh i only have one screen on my laptop
[08:21] <RAOF> macogw: Sure, they suck a whole lot less than the ATI and nvidia drivers, but they still suck :)
[08:21] <wastedfluid> hi guys.  Just upgraded from 7.04 to 7.10.. and my volume buttons on my laptop no longer works.  It goes from 0%, to 11%.. and it doesn't increase the volme at all.
[08:21] <macogw> but the drivers dont really seem to suck
[08:21] <uga> lee__: just open k3b, and go to tools->erase cd-rw
[08:21] <macogw> i mean, they always work
[08:21] <macogw> no work involved
[08:21] <frostburn> lee__, right click the iso and write to disk
[08:21] <RAOF> macogw: In that case, they suck because they don't do Composite+GL well :)
[08:21] <uga> people gotta learn gui. I know, it's harder than command line, but it's flexible ;P
[08:21] <lee__> eh oh Eh I dont have kb3 lol
[08:21] <lee__> eh down loading
[08:22] <lee__> man all these progrmas are small
[08:23] <macogw> huh? from what i can tell, you um....install your distro.  install compiz.  run compiz. and um...yeah that's it
[08:23] <lee__> how can they be so small yet do so much
[08:23] <frostburn> lee__, shared libraries
[08:23] <RAOF> macogw: Then try running glxgears and rotating the cube :)
[08:23] <lee__> oh I like that idea lol
[08:23] <macogw> RAOF: i have the glxgears running inside the cube and it works fine
[08:23] <RAOF> macogw: No, that's different.
[08:23] <macogw> of course, only visible when rotating
[08:24] <macogw> next time i'm booted into gnome ill try for ya then
[08:24] <ChaosParser> uga: I always just used envy  >.<
[08:24] <RAOF> macogw: Basically, 3D programs don't get handled well when compiz is also messing with the screen :)
[08:24] <macogw> im using fluxbox at the moment
[08:24] <lee__> so basically waht you saying is instead of softaree having its own settings it sues the same thing just in a differe grapahical nviroment
[08:24] <macogw> i know wesnoth and frets on fire can be a bit odd with compiz
[08:24] <SuperLag> uga: what can't I install lrm without nvidia-kernel-common as a dependency?
[08:24] <uga> ChaosParser: envy?
[08:24] <macogw> there's a setting to make it ignore full screen apps though
[08:24] <macogw> then it's ok
[08:24] <RAOF> macogw: (See the "redirected direct rendering" blog post from one of the X hackers).
[08:25] <uga> SuperLag: you can, but then you have to disable nvidia drivers from loading. Else, the modprobe command will install ubuntu's driver instead
[08:25] <RAOF> macogw: Oh, yeah.  It's usable.  It just still sucks :)
[08:25] <uga> SuperLag: check what /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video says
[08:25] <ChaosParser> uga: Python script that does it all for you. :)  http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[08:25] <uga> SuperLag: I really find it stupid, but it's the way *buntu works
[08:25] <uga> ChaosParser: ah heh
[08:25] <SuperLag> uga: I disabled all the nvidia entries there
[08:26] <uga> SuperLag: now you should check if (from terminal mode, after rmmod'ing nvidia), modprobe nvidia works
[08:26] <lee__> ok laser firing
[08:26] <uga> SuperLag: if modprobe works fine, then xorg should load on the next reboot
[08:26] <uga> unless I'm missing something
[08:26] <lee__> I never used k3b
[08:26] <lee__> it sure has a lot of functions to it lol
[08:26] <uga> lee__: it's a real nice tool, you'll see
[08:26] <SuperLag> uga: it does... however, with lrm removed, I no longer have wireless.
[08:27] <macogw> RAOF: maybe after getting used to the way intel's drivers for windows like to just die and leave you with 640x480 4-bit color, just about anything that doesnt die all the time feels awesome
[08:27] <lee__> I knoticed allready
[08:27] <SuperLag> and if I apt-get install linux-restricted-modules, it will pull in nvidia-kernel-common as a dependency
[08:27] <macogw> lee__ i prefer gnomebaker
[08:27] <uga> SuperLag: you didn't understand... you can reinstall lrm, but then you would have to disable it the way I mentioned, in lrm-video
[08:27] <RAOF> macogw: Indeed :)
[08:27] <uga> SuperLag: and then check if modprobe works, as I said
[08:27] <macogw> someone said k3b cant encode music to cd format (which sounds odd) one time, but i know gnomebaker can
[08:28] <lee__> hmm no I more like how Ms freezes up when you hit the close program after it crashes..and the more you click on it the more the windows on the bar build up lol
[08:28] <wastedfluid> Anyone have ideas.. I have an Acer,after upgrading to 7.10... my hot keys(volume up, prt screen) aren't working.. looking at khotkeysrc is kind of rough ecause I don't know what to look for
[08:29] <RAOF> SuperLag, uga: Either of you seen: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual ?
[08:29] <lee__> wow Eh I finally fgured out how to make a new folder lol
[08:29] <ChaosParser> SuperLag: , Uga.... just use Envy.  It always works.  I promise.  http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[08:30] <uga> RAOF: ah nice, yes. Long ago, I had lost the url though. thanks
[08:30] <uga> ChaosParser: my hands are more trustworthy ;))
[08:30] <lee__> hers something seriuose and true
[08:30] <ChaosParser> uga: Yeah, but SuperLag's aren't,
[08:30] <frostburn> RAOF, what would path would you recommend if i wanted to become a dev
[08:30] <lee__> my mother gota letter from ms
[08:31] <lee__> cause she never went online
[08:31] <uga> lee__: good. LOL. Maybe if you let your mom try it, it should be easier. We all know... guis are too hard for geeks
[08:31] <uga> moms are great at it ;)
[08:32] <uga> sure she knows how to create folders in k3b :P
[08:32] <RAOF> frostburn: Depends on what you want to do.  I just wanted to package some programs for amd64, and I helped package up some compiz stuff for Feisty.
[08:32] <frostburn> RAOF, where ever the need is, i need something to do to get back into programming
[08:32] <RAOF> frostburn: If that's what you mean by "dev", then #ubuntu-motu is the channel you want to idle/ask questions in :)
[08:32] <RAOF> frostburn: Aaaaah, *hacking* :)
[08:33] <lee__> get this the letter said if you don't call or reply were sending an investigative teem over to see that you dont have any unauthorised software..mom alled them and replied. if you send some one over mny husband will ha an 06 ready to greet you as you have invaded our privacey later she got a letter of appology
[08:33] <RAOF> frostburn: In that case I suggest finding something that you would like to make work, and fix it ;)
[08:33] <frostburn> lol
[08:33] <RAOF> frostburn: Hacking really requires that you *want* to make something.
[08:34] <lee__> my mom asuspect for bot going on line erg
[08:34] <lee__> true
[08:34] <lee__> hacking is neither good nor bad its a toll but it is waht you chose to use that tool for tht makes it good or bad
[08:35] <riotkittie> somehow, i'm not believing that.
[08:35] <RAOF> lee__: You've got your terminology mixed.  Hacking == programming.  Cracking == attemping to break into systems unauthorised.
[08:35] <lee__> oh thanks for the correction
[08:36] <RAOF> "That cool X hacker" means "That guy who writes code that goes into X" :)
[08:36] <m1ke> A little off topic, but I figure all the uber nerds would know.  I was looking at the Western Digital Caviar 1TB HDD.  I read a post that I can't respond to claiming "Pros: this drive is actully 6431 rpm's its a misprint. But if you send 18.7 volts to it instead of the recoomended 12v's you can get 13,398 rpms. a 91.7 percent peformance gain."  How is that possible if I might ask?
[08:37] <AJ--> hi guys.. just want to ask is it safe to upgrade to gutsy now?? wat will be the effect on my system??
[08:37] <lee__> simple
[08:37] <TheInfinity> AJ--: gutsy ist RC. RC does not mean stable.
[08:38] <ChaosParser> AJ--: Best to just wait if your system being up is vital.  No one can guarentee that it will work for your system.
[08:38] <lee__> you placeced a faster spin on it lol
[08:38] <RAOF> m1ke: Yay running harddrives outside of the design specifications!
[08:38] <macogw> RAOF: can we please use either hats or cr/h?
[08:38] <AJ--> tnx ChaosParser
[08:38] <ChaosParser> m1ke: Sounds like a good way to loose data and void warranties.
[08:38] <m1ke> I know.  My CPU is overclocked, but I dont know anything about this HDD spinning performance gain.
[08:38] <lee__> also by feeding it more vlotage how ever you run the risk of burnning out the read write mechanism
[08:39] <lee__> those wires are super thing
[08:39] <RAOF> macogw: EPARSE :)
[08:40] <uga> m1ke: first, the speed control must be seriously broken if that works. Possibly you'll get lots of I/O problems. Also heating. And ... you'll end up buying a new drive =)
[08:40] <ChaosParser> m1ke: If your pc is just for personal use, and speed is that vitally important to you for some odd reason, just get a solid state drive or 30
[08:40] <kadmos> hi all. just installed RC1 on my new Athlon 64 PC.
[08:40] <lee__> waht the heck did it just open the iso for a visual?
[08:40] <lee__> befor wiritng it? I never seen a thing do that
[08:41] <kadmos> had two problems: GRUB guessed the drive order wrong, so it wouldn't boot without help (bug 8497)
[08:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 8497 in grub "grub guessed BIOS disk order incorrectly" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8497
[08:41] <lee__> nor have I ever heard of a power calibration
[08:41] <lee__> waht the heck is power calibrating?
[08:41] <SuperLag> uga: you are the BOMB
[08:41] <kadmos> blank screen during boot (usplash broken?) (bug 68647)
[08:41] <macogw>  RAOF eh?
[08:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 68647 in initramfs-tools "[maybe initramfs-tools or usplash?]  black screen during usplash. Ubuntu boots fine" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68647
[08:41] <ChaosParser> lee__: Calibration of power consumption i would imagine.
[08:42] <RAOF> macogw: I don't understand what you wrote about hats :)
[08:42] <uga> SuperLag: lol, I understand it worked? =) congrats
[08:42] <lee__> so that means either it burns or it dont?
[08:42] <lee__> or does it mean thatit will brun through no matter waht
[08:42] <lee__> unles the cd totally messed u[
[08:43] <kadmos> plus IRC in Pidgin (formerly Gaim) looks really weird. the font jumps up and down as i type.
[08:43] <uga> arghl! guys, how can one do something like "sudo X :2 &"
[08:43] <uga> it sends sudo to background
[08:43] <uga> hwo to prevent it
[08:43] <uga> it drives me nuts each time I try
[08:43] <RAOF> uga: "sudo X :2" ctrl-z, bg?
[08:43] <uga> obviously my intention is to send X to background
[08:44] <uga> RAOF: heh, well, that'd do the trick, but it's a workaround
[08:44] <m1ke> You linux guys don't overclock with potential hardware components that have the headroom to do so.
[08:44] <lee__> eh waht about over bur protection or is that just a myth?
[08:44] <rockets> Is there any way to make deskbar revert to the old behavior, rather then appearing in a window?
[08:44] <rockets> i like the old way better
[08:44] <uga> m1ke: speeding up a harddrive isn't same as overclocking
[08:44] <rockets> where it was more like a pop-up
[08:44] <m1ke> ChaosParser, for an hard drive I would get this PCIE HDD if you are truly about performance.   http://www.tgdaily.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34065
[08:44] <uga> m1ke: it's an easy break
[08:45] <lee__> speeding up a hdd can actaully dammage it your wearing the barings fast
[08:45] <m1ke> dont be so literal.   replace with performance improvement
[08:45] <uga> lee__: honestly, I doubt it'll even work
[08:45] <lee__> and by produscing the extra volatage you run the risk of burn out
[08:45] <lee__> yeah usually they have voltage regulators in them
[08:45] <uga> reading will constantly fail, speed control is out of bounds, stopping and starting the drive will just increase currents and burn the motor...
[08:46] <uga> m1ke: that won't even perform
[08:46] <ChaosParser> m1ke: When speaking of computers for personal use, there comes a point where the hardware cannot be effectively taken advantage of by the available software, and thus its awesomeness becomes m00t.
[08:47] <lee__> I tore into a hdd  I seen how ther ebuilt, I love to play with the titanium  rigns lol
[08:47] <luca> hi everyone
[08:47] <lee__> speaking of which, I sish I could send em to a jewler  and make em into rings
[08:47] <m1ke> ChaosParser, very true
[08:47] <luca> does someone know please which package installs the /etc/network/interfaces file?
[08:48] <lee__> hmm looking at k3b, I really like how it setup
[08:48] <RAOF> luca: dpkg -S /etc/network/interfaces :)
[08:48] <RAOF> (dpkg is *awesome*)
[08:49] <luca> dpkg: /etc/network/interfaces not found
[08:49] <ChaosParser> dpkg is... a package of awesome?
[08:49] <m1ke> uga, "the card has 160 parallel pipelines that can read data at 800 megabytes per second and write at 600 MB/sec.  He even proved it by running a Linux drive I/O benchmark"
[08:49] <ChaosParser> SuperLag: Then you'd have to change your Nick to NoLag
[08:49] <luca> RAOF: I have been trying to find the relevant package with the apt:/ kioslave, apt-file, kpackage...it does not seem to exist :-/
[08:49] <SuperLag> ChaosParser: :)
[08:50] <lee__> OH ME TOO
[08:50] <RAOF> luca: Ah, it seems that it's not actually owned by any package, it's auto-generated.  Hm.
[08:50] <lee__> The Ones with no moving parts those are so cool
[08:50] <luca> my problem is I have probably misconfigured it
[08:50] <luca> I can still connect, but tor will not function
[08:50] <lee__> erg i wish they werent so expesive
[08:50] <ChaosParser> The only problem with solid state, is that there's no warning when they die.  They just... die.  No warning clicking sounds of death.
[08:50] <luca> at least, I *think* my problem is due there
[08:51] <lee__> but in essnence do we not trust our sd cards when we store data, and do they not just..die..with out wanring?
[08:52] <RAOF> luca: Worst case - I think you can just move that file away.  I don't think anything *depends* on it now (I could be mistaken).
[08:52] <ChaosParser> lee__: We don't use SD cards as hard drives.
[08:53] <luca> RAOF: uhm I could try. They suggest also to reinstall netbase...let me give it a try
[08:53] <lee__> chaosparser your true in that but the idea is the same snt it only with more storage abillity?
[08:53] <ChaosParser> lee__: And actually, no.  I don't.  But I'm backup paranoid.  All my documents are backed up multiple times online, on DVDs and on two different hard drives, all my music is on dvd twice, and on two different hard drives
[08:54] <lee__> lol
[08:54] <lee__> that is cool
[08:54] <lee__> I actually just recently had a 1 gig sd burn out
[08:54] <ChaosParser> You lol, but I'll never loose data :).  I even backup my Opera mail/chat/feeds settings online regularly.
[08:54] <lee__> eh but it got washed lol
[08:55] <ChaosParser> lee__: that sucks
[08:55] <lee__> well, at least it didt have anythin gimportnat on it
[08:55] <lee__> this is wierd Iam at 72 percent and no read errors
[08:56] <bill_k> anyone installed the RC on a macbook pro?  I'm willing to take a stab at it, (coming from macos) but would like to know if there are any major issues first.
[08:56] <lee__> Eh I mean write errors
[08:56] <lee__> normaly by now I would recienve in windows a write failure
[08:57] <lee__> i'll test to see if the files mach
[08:57] <lee__> but isnt writing , just writing though?
[08:58] <lee__> the more I use linux, the more I wonder about windows
[08:58] <savvas> ..the more I wonder about doors
[08:59] <ChaosParser> and drapes
[08:59] <savvas> mine's funnier!
[08:59] <lee__> and carpet lol
[08:59] <lee__> eh
[08:59] <ChaosParser> night folks
[08:59] <lee__> night
[09:00] <lee__> eh could have used with out gd though
[09:00] <luca> by the way, does strigi function for you folks?
[09:00] <lee__> strigi?
[09:00] <lee__> say how do you ad the endings?
[09:01] <CheeseGardener> Could someone help me get Gutsy to see my Intel 915 chipset?
[09:01] <luca> my question is more fundamental...I cannot even make the daemon start :)
[09:01] <lee__> Ima still learinging oh NO ITS A TRUPMET LOL
[09:01] <lee__> it sounded vitory lol
[09:03] <lee__> wow I like that it tells you waht failed and where if it fails
[09:04] <lee__> ok brb
[09:04] <lee__> test running the live cd of 64 bit
[09:04] <CheeseGardener> Um so... does anyone know anything about the Intel 915 chipset?
[09:04] <lee__> I bet though that my disks to dammaged
[09:04] <lee__> no sorry,
[09:05] <lee__> but iam planning t o learn
[09:05] <basotl> 915 Not really was searching the Ubuntu Forums...
[09:05] <RAOF> CheeseGardener: It should just work?
[09:05] <CheeseGardener> Oh... cause Gutsy for some reason won't recognize it.  It will only use the i810 driver for it.  And then when I use that, it just tells me "it couldn't find the video card"
[09:06] <basotl> Yes as far as I can tell.
[09:06] <RAOF> CheeseGardener: Hm.  Tried the intel driver?
[09:06] <CheeseGardener> RAOF, where can I find that?
[09:06] <basotl> Only other problems I see so far for 915 is TV support.
[09:06] <CheeseGardener> RAOF, and how do I install such a thing?
[09:06] <RAOF> CheeseGardener: As in "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg", and select the intel driver.
[09:07] <CheeseGardener> ok I did that...
[09:07] <CheeseGardener> it's doing things
[09:07] <RAOF> Now trying to start X might work :)
[09:07] <CheeseGardener> ok how do I do that again?
[09:07] <CheeseGardener> shift F9?
[09:08] <RAOF> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:13] <CheeseGardener> RAOF, I'm back.
[09:13] <basotl> Did that help?
[09:14] <CheeseGardener> RAOF, it did help, except for one kinda small problem, which isn't really big
[09:14] <CheeseGardener> ROAF, on the ubuntu login screen, when I type my login in, the font is INSANELY huge.
[09:14] <CheeseGardener> RAOF
[09:15] <luca> bye
[09:18] <CheeseGardener> Does anyone know how I can change the effects on Gutsy?
[09:18] <basotl> Desktop effects?
[09:18] <CheeseGardener> yeah
[09:18] <CheeseGardener> I selected the high one
[09:18] <basotl> System > Preferences > Appearance
[09:18] <CheeseGardener> but I want to be able to rotate on cube
[09:18] <CheeseGardener> why can't I do that?
[09:19] <basotl> Have to set effects to custom.
[09:19] <CheeseGardener> how do I do that?
[09:20] <basotl> System > Preferences > Appearance > Visual Effects Tab
[09:20] <CheeseGardener> where is the custom area?
[09:20] <CheeseGardener> I don't see it.
[09:20] <basotl> Humm...
[09:20] <CheeseGardener> there is none, normal, and extra.
[09:20] <basotl> Is you install of Gutsy up-to-date
[09:20] <basotl> ?
[09:21] <Jordan_1> CheeseGardener: I think you need to install ccsm to do "custom" preferences
[09:21] <Jordan_1> CheeseGardener: There should be an option to set to "custom" though
[09:21] <basotl> Mine showed up after an update.
[09:21] <CheeseGardener> I think it is.
[09:21] <CheeseGardener> Let me check.
[09:21] <AnRkey> that intel graphics bug of mine is fixed already
[09:22] <AnRkey> man they move quickly
[09:22] <Jordan_1> CheeseGardener: I have it and I don't have anything but a default install ( and compiz doesn't even work for my card :)
[09:22] <AnRkey> Jordan_1, your card type?
[09:22] <Jordan_1> AnRkey: Yea, I saw that update and wondered if it was because of your problem :)
[09:22] <Jordan_1> AnRkey: SIS
[09:22] <Jordan_1> :(
[09:22] <AnRkey> ooohhh
[09:23] <CheeseGardener> I'm up to date.
[09:23] <AnRkey> Jordan_1, could not get to reporting the bug in time, they fixed it 2 quickly
[09:23] <CheeseGardener> what do I need?
[09:23] <AnRkey> Jordan_1, how did you end up with sn SIS graphics chip?
[09:23] <CheeseGardener> ccsm?
[09:24] <basotl> Humm and still no custom... well ccsm then.
[09:24] <Jordan_1> CheeseGardener: ccsm ( Compiz Config Settings Manager )
[09:24] <CheeseGardener> I didn't have that.
[09:24] <basotl> Then set ccsm as a start up program in sessions to have it auto load every boot.
[09:25] <Jordan_1> AnRkey: inherited a box that was the cheapest thing my sister could get for a temporary windows computer ( She has a mac and needed IE for a College class, and it is PPC so wine was not an option )
[09:25] <CheeseGardener> how do I do that?
[09:25] <basotl> Synaptic is the easy way Cheeseburger.
[09:26] <CheeseGardener> um... well tell me how to set it up so it auto loads.
[09:26] <CheeseGardener> do I need to have it auto load?
[09:26] <basotl> It's convenient
[09:26] <basotl> Did you already install CCSM?
[09:26] <CheeseGardener> yes.
[09:27] <basotl> After you do click Preferences > Sessions
[09:27] <Jordan_1> basotl: I don't think that is neccisary
[09:27] <Jordan_1> basotl: At least I don't see why it should be
[09:27] <CheeseGardener> Is it necessary Jordan_1?  or will the custom effects be active?
[09:27] <murlidhar> ok i have mounted the gutsy alternate cd . Now what?????
[09:27] <basotl> Humm I had to in herd 3 to get it right before...
[09:28] <AnRkey> Jordan_1, i c
[09:28] <Jordan_1> CheeseGardener: Try just starting ccsm and changing the settings, I think they will persist
[09:29] <basotl> Yeah try that I suppose it may have been only an issue I had to do at that time in the release cycle.
[09:29] <CheeseGardener> Ok, thanks guys.
[09:29] <CheeseGardener> Some of the things are still laggy.
[09:29] <CheeseGardener> Firepaint still lags a bit.
[09:30] <trdracer> hey guys having trouble watching a movie..needing a xvid codec
[09:30] <Jordan_1> trdracer: It's so much easier just giving in and using totem-gstreamer :)
[09:31] <murlidhar> ok i have mounted the gutsy alternate cd . Now what????? how do i start offline update
[09:31] <trdracer> well ive barely installed this and barely came to ubuntu the other day
[09:31] <savvas> murlidhar: don
[09:31] <trdracer> jordan_1 i will check that
[09:31] <savvas> murlidhar: don't mount it, it won't work i think
[09:31] <murlidhar> savvas: do i have to burn a beta cd !!!!!>????
[09:31] <savvas> it didn't work for me 2-3 times mounted
[09:31] <Jordan_1> trdracer: Just double clicking the file should, with default settings, install the codecs you need
[09:32] <savvas> murlidhar: there's a release candidate out
[09:32] <murlidhar> when????
[09:32] <trdracer> jordan_1 doesnt actually.
[09:32] <savvas> yesterday? :)
[09:32] <Jordan_1> trdracer: Unless they are illegal in the U.S. like DVD decryption
[09:32] <trdracer> its done it before.
[09:32] <trdracer> illegal..never!
[09:33] <murlidhar> i downloaded the iso file yesterday http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20071009/
[09:33] <savvas> murlidhar: http://releases.ubuntu.com
[09:34] <savvas> murlidhar: if you use the daily build you might have problems
[09:34] <trdracer> Video codec 'XviD' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies
[09:34] <savvas> trdracer: totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[09:35] <TheInfinity> hello
[09:35] <savvas> trdracer: sudo apt-get install lame vorbis-tools flac ffmpeg liblame0 gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-gl gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse
[09:36] <TheInfinity> has andybody the problem that a laptop switches to powersave if power cable is plugged in and dynamic if i'm in battery mode?
[09:36] <savvas> trdracer: and for totem-xine: sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg libxine1-plugins
[09:36] <trdracer> :) thank you savvas
[09:36] <savvas> n/p
[09:36] <murlidhar> savvas: thanks for the link could u explaing the the jigdo extension to me
[09:37] <savvas> murlidhar: it justs downloads the image file by file, then creates it after it gets all the files
[09:37] <Jordan_1> murlidhar: It's a debian thing, it means that the cd sort of builds itself by downloading the parts it needs from the normal package repositories
[09:38] <savvas> murlidhar: you have graphical interface, jigdo package, or jigdo-file through console
[09:38] <macogw> kinda along hte lines of a torrent, but not quite
[09:38] <murlidhar> savvas: just a doubt does the iso file autoupdate from the server instead of downloading the whole iso
[09:39] <macogw> er why is there no fsetbg or bsetbg in gutsy?
[09:39] <macogw> like, including apt-cache search
[09:39] <savvas> murlidhar: you might want to use rsync.. but you have a dvd from cdimage, so I don't think you'll get anything faster
[09:39] <savvas> the official release candidate is a cd
[09:40] <Jordan_1> macogw: I have bsetbg, but I also have blackbox installed
[09:40] <macogw> i have fluxbox that i got from launchpad
[09:40] <murlidhar> savvas:  i have installed jigdo but i can't see it anywhere
[09:40] <Jordan_1> macogw: Yea, it's not in the fluxbox package for some reason
[09:41] <savvas> murlidhar: try applications > internet
[09:41] <savvas> murlidhar: if not, then just type in console: jigdo
[09:42] <murlidhar> savvas: nope ok i have used gksu jidgo in the terminal
[09:42] <Jordan_1> Anyone know what happened to the common install hook they were talking about early on in Gutsy?
[09:42] <savvas> k
[09:42] <Jordan_1> murlidhar: No need for the gksudo
[09:43] <rcrook> Hi all, Upgraded to gutsy last night and found a problem with the boot and ldap. The boot seems to hang at klogd  (or dbus if klogd disabled) if I have ldap enabled in nsswitch.
[09:43] <rcrook> LDAP works once the system is booted and it is re-enabled
[09:43] <rcrook> anyone have some sugestions as to why the klogd hangs?
[09:43] <savvas> rcrook: bug reporting time :) http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[09:44] <rcrook> ok thanks.
[09:45] <CheeseGardener> RAOF, what was that command you gave me to get the intel 915 drivers?
[09:45] <CheeseGardener> RAOF, the terminal command?
[09:45] <murlidhar> savvas: do u think jigdo is better since there might be not many seeder for the torrent file?
[09:46] <murlidhar> murlidhar: and after downloading one can  always seed in the torrent?
[09:46] <murlidhar> savvas: ^
[09:46] <Jordan_1> CheeseGardener: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[09:47] <savvas> murlidhar:  yeah, definitely
[09:47] <CheeseGardener> Jordan_1 that wasn't it.
[09:48] <Jordan_1> CheeseGardener: He might have suggested 915resolution instead of xserver-xorg-video-intel but xserver-xorg-video-intel is better
[09:48] <murlidhar> savvas: does this release candidate have gui for xorg cuz i need to manually set the screen resolution to 1440X900
[09:48] <CheeseGardener> Jordan_1, I still don't think that was it, somehow.
[09:49] <savvas> murlidhar: you have system > administration > screens & graphics for that
[09:49] <murlidhar> savvas: some template file was downloaded in the jigdo and then nothing is downloading now what is the problem?
[09:50] <rockets> What do I need to do to upgrade my ubuntu-server install to gutsy?
[09:50] <savvas> murlidhar: that's why I love the console based one, jigdo-file :)
[09:50] <TheInfinity> rockets: i would never install a release candidate on a server :p
[09:50] <hit> does anybody know why do i have a "black hole" in the top of my screen when i change my resolution and then change it back? screenshot: http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7889/kuvatmmiswb4.jpg
[09:51] <rockets> TheInfinity, the only thing this server does is torrentflux
[09:51] <rockets> TheInfinity, its not life or death
[09:51] <rockets> TheInfinity, but I agree, I'd never install it on a server that actually mattered.
[09:51] <murlidhar> savvas: so how do i use jigdo-file :(  me always a noob
[09:52] <savvas> murlidhar: sudo apt-get install jigdo-file
[09:52] <murlidhar> savvas: after that?
[09:52] <savvas> murlidhar: you said you have the daily right?
[09:52] <savvas> hm..
[09:52] <murlidhar> savvas: yes
[09:52] <savvas> murlidhar: mount the iso somewhere
[09:52] <bintut> hello all..
[09:53] <savvas> murlidhar: then tell me the dir you mounted it in
[09:53] <bintut> ubuntu 7.10 gutsy is about to be released in 6 days from now
[09:53] <rockets> bintut, thanks for letting us know
[09:53] <murlidhar> savvas: ok wait a minute
[09:54] <bintut> nice to know that gutsy comes with xen-3.1 already
[09:54] <WaltzingAlong> how to upgrade the preferred way when the update-manager fails to authenticate the packages?
[09:55] <WaltzingAlong> merely replace feisty with gutsy in the sources.list ?
[09:55] <savvas> WaltzingAlong: download the release candidate and use the alternate cd
[09:55] <savvas> WaltzingAlong: releases.ubuntu.com
[09:56] <WaltzingAlong> savvas: thanks. i just want to upgrade from a current installation.
[09:56] <savvas> you already have gutsy?
[09:57] <savvas> what do you mean current? :\
[09:57] <avatar_> bintut: indeed. good reason to upgrade my feisty xen server :)
[09:57] <bintut> but, xen-3.1 is buggy as what the ##xen people were talking yesterday and the xensource is about to release the xen-3.1.1
[09:58] <WaltzingAlong> savvas: running feisty but wish to get to gutsy. just wanted dist-upgrade with aptitude but was going to use the update-manager instead. however u-m fails to authenticate against the gpg of the package list
[09:58] <murlidhar> savvas: here is the directory i have mounted the iso /home/murlidhar/virtual-drives/1
[09:58] <savvas> WaltzingAlong: do you have third party repos?
[09:58] <WaltzingAlong> savvas: yes though i would disable them all for the upgrade, like the update tool does
[09:59] <savvas> WaltzingAlong: you can try "update-manager -d" if you want to
[09:59] <savvas> murlidhar: ok where do you want to download the iso file?
[10:00] <murlidhar> at /media/sdb1
[10:01] <savvas> murlidhar: ok, do this: cd /media/sdb1/ && jigdo-lite --scan /home/murlidhar/virtual-drives/1
[10:01] <savvas> murlidhar: the rest is just answering questions :)
[10:02] <murlidhar> To resume a half-finished download, enter name of .jigdo file.
[10:02] <murlidhar> To start a new download, enter URL of .jigdo file.
[10:02] <murlidhar> You can also enter several URLs/filenames, separated with spaces,
[10:02] <murlidhar> or enumerate in {}, e.g. `http://server/cd-{1_NONUS,2,3}.jigdo'
[10:02] <murlidhar> jigdo:
[10:02] <murlidhar> savvas: ^
[10:03] <savvas> murlidhar: well point it to the jigdo file
[10:03] <savvas> from the releases.ubuntu.com
[10:03] <murlidhar> savvas: do i have to download the jigdo file or just enter the url of the jidgo file
[10:04] <savvas> murlidhar: it will download it for you
[10:04] <savvas> enter the url
[10:04] <savvas> "To start a new download"
[10:04] <savvas> you're doing a new download :p
[10:06] <murlidhar> savvas: then why did i have to mount the iso???
[10:07] <WaltzingAlong> savvas: thanks. i have run update-manager -c -d -p    ; it shows that 7.10 is available. i click upgrade; it shows the release notes;i click upgrade again; two files are downloaded but at this point i always see an error about authentication failing; i started the program through a terminal so i can see "authenticate '/tmp/tmpC8zx4n/gutsy.tar.gz' against '/tmp/tmpC8zx4n/gutsy.tar.gz.gpg'" and "exception from gpg: GnuPG exited
[10:07] <WaltzingAlong> non-zero, with code 131072"
[10:07] <savvas> murlidhar: well it could be faster for you, the iso might have everything what you need
[10:07] <savvas> WaltzingAlong: I think it's just update-manager -d
[10:08] <murlidhar> savvas: so u mean the existing paackage in the daily build don't have to be download again? :) great
[10:08] <hit> does anybody know why do i have a "black hole" in the top of my screen when i change my resolution and then change it back? screenshot: http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7889/kuvatmmiswb4.jpg
[10:08] <savvas> murlidhar: correct :)
[10:08] <murlidhar> :)
[10:09] <savvas> WaltzingAlong: I've no idea my friend, it could be a lot easier through the alternate cd
[10:10] <Jordan_U> hit, Does it go away if you put something in that pannel area?
[10:10] <WaltzingAlong> savvas: downloading alternate iso (torrent) now
[10:10] <Jordan_U> WaltzingAlong, Just run "sudo apt-get update" or click "Check for updates
[10:10] <naught101> for some reason, in kubuntu gutsy, I can no longer hibernate. I go to kmenu>logout>hibernate, and it acts exactly like it's shutting down (kwin does wied things, window borders dissapear), then in blacks out, and immediately comes back to the same place (not all the same programs running, though)
[10:10] <hit> Jordan_U: i can not add anything, panel freezes
[10:10] <naught101> anyone noticed that at all, or know where I could find information on why it's happening?
[10:11] <savvas> WaltzingAlong: what Jordan_U said, update-manager -d and check for updates, it might fix it
[10:11] <hit> Jordan_U: ah no, i can, but not all applets
[10:11] <Jordan_U> WaltzingAlong, It's a simple problem, and "refreshing" will get the pgp key you need
[10:11] <murlidhar> savvas: thnks for telling me fast otherwise my dumb brain would have coaxed me into deleting the daily build
[10:12] <Jordan_U> hit, What happens when you add one there?
[10:12] <hit> Jordan_U: depends what i'm tryng to add, some applets just won't load
[10:12] <Jordan_U> hit, Or when you run "killall gnome-panel" ( that might make some applets split off from the panel )
[10:12] <hit> sec
[10:13] <Jordan_U> hit, I mean what happens to the "black hole"
[10:13] <savvas> murlidhar: well it just occured to me that you could use it with jigdo, I forgot it did that before.. is it going any faster? it will download the image file by file and skip the parts you already have from the build
[10:13] <WaltzingAlong> Jordan_U: savvas: i always see this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40339/          i have run sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude -y upgrade
[10:13] <hit> Jordan_U: gnome panel itself is gone but it remains it that 'black hole'
[10:13] <murlidhar> The jigdo file refers to files stored on Debian mirrors. Please
[10:13] <murlidhar> choose a Debian mirror as follows: Either enter a complete URL
[10:13] <murlidhar> pointing to a mirror (in the form
[10:13] <murlidhar> `ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/'), or enter any regular expression
[10:13] <murlidhar> for searching through the list of mirrors: Try a two-letter
[10:13] <murlidhar> country code such as `de', or a country name like `United
[10:13] <murlidhar> States', or a server name like `sunsite'.
[10:13] <murlidhar> Debian mirror [http://archive.ubuntustudio.org/ubuntustudio] :
[10:13] <murlidhar> savvas: ^
[10:14] <murlidhar> now what???
[10:14] <savvas> murlidhar: are you using ubuntustudio?
[10:14] <WaltzingAlong> hit: so that panel is set to a fixed size that is smaller than the available space once you increased your resolution?
[10:14] <murlidhar> no only themes
[10:14] <Jordan_U> WaltzingAlong, That's a strange error indeed, do you get that when you try to install packages normally *Warning, if it looks like when you try to install a package it installs the Gutsy one instead of the Feisty one, quit immediately**
[10:15] <savvas> murlidhar: paste this: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[10:15] <savvas> murlidhar: wait
[10:15] <savvas> murlidhar: where are you from?
[10:15] <murlidhar> india
[10:15] <Jordan_U> murlidhar, You obvioulsy want an Ubuntu mirror instead of a debian mirror, use <yourcountrycode>.archive.ubuntu.com
[10:16] <WaltzingAlong> Jordan_U: no. my repositories all point to feisty now. i know i can replace each with gutsy then dist-upgrade but was hoping to use the update-manager instead to simplify the process
[10:16] <hit> WaltzingAlong: i have to panels there and there is always space between them, it appears only when i change resolution and then change it back
[10:16] <Jordan_U> murlidhar, I am not sure if there is an indian mirror but try it
[10:16] <savvas> murlidhar: your country's .in ?
[10:16] <murlidhar> i dunno
[10:16] <Jordan_U> WaltzingAlong, Changing your sources.list and dist-upgrading is not as safe anyway
[10:16] <savvas> murlidhar: use this then: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[10:16] <WaltzingAlong> Jordan_U: exactly
[10:16] <WaltzingAlong> Jordan_U: and i am several timezones away from the computer i wish to take from 7.04 to 7.10
[10:16] <murlidhar> well the gov sites have aadagigha.in
[10:17] <Jordan_U> WaltzingAlong, Sure that is a good idea then ? :)
[10:17] <murlidhar> alright
[10:17] <WaltzingAlong> Jordan_U: :D
[10:18] <Jordan_U> WaltzingAlong, I assume that you have ssh installed in case something goes wrong
[10:18] <savvas> "in case sh**" :p
[10:18] <Jordan_U> WaltzingAlong, openssh-server that is
[10:18] <WaltzingAlong> Jordan_U: yes i am accessing the machine all through ssh
[10:19] <Jordan_U> WaltzingAlong, ssh -X?
[10:19] <WaltzingAlong> Jordan_U: ssh -CXv host, yes
[10:20] <WaltzingAlong> Jordan_U: and i have also connected through NX but with the same outcome
[10:20] <Jordan_U> WaltzingAlong, That is a little dangerous unless you are sure that your connection isn't going to be interrupted
[10:21] <mlankhorst> Sigh, this is the second time gutsy does a chown -R mlankhorst:mlankhorst /
[10:21] <WaltzingAlong> Jordan_U: i can have someone go to the location when needed
[10:22] <Jordan_U> WaltzingAlong, I mean that if your connection dies so will update-manager
[10:22] <WaltzingAlong> Jordan_U: yeah that is true too; is there no way to remotely upgrade it then?
[10:23] <Jordan_U> mlankhorst, Really? It just chowned / recursively for no reason?
[10:23] <mlankhorst> Oh wait, found the cause, my own fault.
[10:23] <Jordan_U> WaltzingAlong, You can use screen with the server upgrade tool
[10:23] <mlankhorst> Must say it has something cozy to own /
[10:24] <Jordan_U> mlankhorst, Except for all of the setuid programs that don't work :)
[10:24] <savvas> murlidhar: did it start downloading files?
[10:24] <mlankhorst> had a git command in cron.daily that does a cd ~mlankhorst/wine.git; git repack; chown -R mlankhorst:mlankhorst
[10:25] <mlankhorst> Except it doesn't exist without external hd, so it does the command on /
[10:25] <mlankhorst> Jordan_U: fakeroot startkde :D
[10:25] <Jordan_U> mlankhorst, That is why you should use && instead of ; :)
[10:25] <murlidhar> savvas: yes i forgot tell u that it says Found 1374 of the 1452 files required by the template
[10:25] <murlidhar> :)
[10:25] <savvas> murlidhar: long live the build ;)
[10:26] <murlidhar> yes just 72 files will be download :)
[10:27] <savvas> murlidhar: if anything goes wrong and you wish to stop downloading, you can do so, and then when it asks for the jigdo file, you simply type the local file name (it's in your directory) and it will do the rest (it will probably ask to cleanup some temp files, you should press enter there)
[10:27] <murlidhar> k
[10:33] <Jordan_U> WaltzingAlong, "sudo do-release-upgrade" don't know how to tell it to check for developement releases though
[10:35] <WaltzingAlong> Jordan_U: -d thanks
[10:35] <CheeseGardener> Does anyone know how to make the back of your windows translucent while keeping the text opacity at full?
[10:36] <Jordan_U> WaltzingAlong, Stupid consistency :)
[10:37] <Jordan_U> WaltzingAlong, Note that the server upgrade tool assumes more that you know what you want so it won't do things like install ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-minimal again, so you should probably install ubuntu-desktop before upgrading
[10:37] <WaltzingAlong> Jordan_U: or kubuntu-desktop for that matter :D thanks
[10:37] <Jordan_U> CheeseGardener, That usually requires support from the application itself
[10:37] <spli1> Hey Everyone, I just did an upgrade to gutsy from feisty with update-manager -d and it looks like my kernel is failing on my sata driver so I'm having to use a feisty kernel on this gutsy install currently, is there any doc on what to do to correct this? I've checked the forums but can't find much.
[10:38] <Jordan_U> CheeseGardener, Most terminal emulators can do it for example
[10:38] <CheeseGardener> hmm so I can't do it with compiz fusion?
[10:38] <WaltzingAlong> Jordan_U: thanks. that failed with the same error as i was seeing before. just a sign i should wait ;)
[10:38] <Jordan_U> !boot | spli1 This might help some
[10:38] <ubotu> spli1 This might help some: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[10:39] <Jordan_U> WaltzingAlong, You should also file a bug :)
[10:39] <Jordan_U> WaltzingAlong, After checking to see that none has been filed on it already of course :)
[10:41] <CheeseGardener> Jordan_U, I'm still confused on how I'm supposed to make the background window for Pidgin translucent.
[10:41] <CheeseGardener> but not the text...
[10:43] <savvas> CheeseGardener: with compiz?
[10:44] <savvas> you hold alt and scroll the mouse wheel
[10:44] <Jordan_U> CheeseGardener, Does it have the option to do that ?
[10:44] <jhaig> OK, lesson one of the morning - when booting up the new Gutsy CD in the office, plug in headphones.  I forgot about the start up sound.  :-)
[10:45] <CheeseGardener> With Gutsy's compiz-fusion.
[10:46] <Jordan_U> CheeseGardener, Compiz fusion can't do it, Pidgin can use compiz to make itself transparent but not its text, Compiz Fusion can't make it do that though AFIK
[10:47] <CheeseGardener> How can pigdgin use compiz?
[10:47] <CheeseGardener> pidgin*
[10:51] <CheeseGardener> ?
[10:52] <hsystem-x> hi there, anybody?
[10:52] <TheInfinity> no
[10:52] <TheInfinity> <-- just a ghost.
[10:52] <hsystem-x> really :?
[10:52] <hsystem-x> ... >.>
[10:53] <spli1> did anyone else do a feisty to gutsy upgrade?
[10:53] <savvas> CheeseGardener: already told you
[10:53] <savvas> CheeseGardener: 10:44:00 < savvas> you hold alt and scroll the mouse wheel
[10:54] <bascule> spli1: everyone in this channel
[10:54] <murlidhar> savvas: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40342/ this is the error
[10:55] <CheeseGardener> that's not what i meant.
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[11:57] (gnomefreak/#ubuntu+1) oh thats bad
[11:58] (gnomefreak/#ubuntu+1) savvas: file a bug report and if you do it in next couple of minutes give me number, if not it will be atleast 3 days before i can look
[11:58] (savvas/#ubuntu+1) going
[11:58] (murlidhar/#ubuntu+1) gnomefreak: shall i give http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/  in jigdo-lite
[11:59] <forgottentruth> anyone use blackbox or know of any new window managers that aren't that mainstream to check out?
[11:59] <forgottentruth> :] 
[11:59] <archdrone> Amaranth: yep, why not
[11:59] <gnomefreak> murlidhar: no give me afew minutes
[12:00] <forgottentruth> in gutsy
[12:00] <forgottentruth> :] 
[12:00] <Amaranth> archdrone: I just told you
[12:00] <murlidhar> gnomefreak: as u say
[12:00] <gnomefreak> murlidhar: might be as simple as a release file update
[12:00] <forgottentruth> er, that won't give me too much shit as in googling kde4 repositories for the the svn build
[12:00] <archdrone> Amaranth: why can't kde do shutdown itself?
[12:00] <forgottentruth> >.<
[12:00] <jmg> weeee gore won the peace prize
[12:00] <Amaranth> archdrone: Why should it bother if it's login manager will do the work for it?
[12:01] <savvas> gnomefreak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/151905
[12:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151905 in ubuntu "jigdo - archive mirror error - missing 37 files" [Undecided,New] 
[12:01] <gnomefreak> savvas: ty :)
[12:01] <archdrone> Amaranth: i thought calling /sbin/halt was easy ,)
[12:02] <void^> the display manager runs as root
[12:02] <savvas> n/p :)
[12:02] <savvas> gnomefreak: I might change the description a bit, add the mirrors we tried :P
[12:02] <Amaranth> archdrone: And that's not all you have to do
[12:02] <forgottentruth> brb all
[12:03] <gnomefreak> savvas: no need
[12:03] <dg> so I've just rebooted into it, X didn't start and login on the console gives me "-bash: /dev/null: Permission denied"
[12:03] <Amaranth> archdrone: Have to logout the user first (and let apps block the logout to pop up a save dialog or something) then as void^ mentioned you also need to be running as root to do a shutdown and kdm is already running as root
[12:03] <archdrone> Amaranth: so this is not a bug, only my wish i guess
[12:04] <Amaranth> archdrone: Not a bug, by design
[12:04] <Amaranth> archdrone: If anything it's a bug in xdm
[12:04] <forgottentruth> brb
[12:04] <murlidhar> so savvas we wait for the bug to be solved?
[12:04] <murlidhar> :)
[12:05] <savvas> murlidhar: well.. yes, you can subscribe to the bug to be informed when and it will be fixed
[12:06] <savvas> -and
[12:06] <archdrone> Amaranth: ok, but i still think this can be done in a way to satisfy everyone
[12:06] <gnomefreak> ok i have to get moving later.
[12:07] <savvas> gnomefreak: have a nice trip, wherever you're going :)
[12:07] <gnomefreak> hospital
[12:07] <savvas> ouch
[12:07] <savvas> sorry
[12:07] <savvas> if you need any help, I'm a medical student :)
[12:08] <gnomefreak> eh its just a follow up endoscopy
[12:08] <jmg> your face is just a follow up endoscopy
[12:08] <jmg> i mean
[12:08] <jmg> oh hai
[12:09] <dg> is /dev/null created via udev?
[12:09] <forgottentruth> join /#kubuntu
[12:10] <forgottentruth> >.< sorryyyy
[12:10] <Stevethepirate> jmg: your mother is so fat i had to intergrate her by parts :P
[12:10] <Stevethepirate> oops, also haaai
[12:11] <Lynoure> Stevethepirate: hmph.
[12:11] <jmg> heh
[12:11] <dg> so I have a /dev/null which has 600 permissions, /dev/.static/dev/null has 666 as i'd expect though
[12:11] <Stevethepirate> Lynoure: :P
[12:11] <dg> is anything like this known?
[12:12] <savvas> dg: $ dir -l /dev/null
[12:12] <savvas> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2007-10-05 22:42 /dev/null
[12:12] <savvas> dg: did you upgrade from feisty?
[12:13] <dg> no, this is a clean install of xubuntu inside vmware
[12:13] <savvas> ah xubuntu.. no idea :\
[12:13] <dg> crw------ 1 root 1,3 2007-10-11 00:50 null
[12:13] <savvas> it is weird though
[12:13] <savvas> dg: find or file a bug about it: http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[12:13] <forgottentruth> maybe its the devil
[12:13] <Eq|work> that's.. broken.
[12:13] <forgottentruth> :P
[12:13] <savvas> or xubuntu, don't know
[12:13] <dg> savvas: ok
[12:15] <savvas> dg: name it something like: xubuntu /dev/null has wrong file permissions 600
[12:16] <dg> launchpad is timing out :(
[12:17] <jmg> :(
[12:17] <jmg> it may be on maintenance dg
[12:17] <savvas> dg: it works here
[12:17] <dg> no, it's a timout from the app itself
[12:17] <Eq|work> that could be due to maintenance
[12:17] <Eq|work> probably unplanned
[12:19] <Ghismo> g'day
[12:19] <Ghismo> guys can i insatll ubuntu 7.10 candidate release without installing the iso?
[12:21] <jmg> Ghismo: update-manager -d
[12:21] <Ghismo> is that safe?
[12:21] <jmg> yes
[12:22] <Ghismo> i don't want to loose my data
[12:22] <jmg> but it will be a fast moving target between here and final
[12:22] <savvas> then backup :)
[12:22] <jmg> did you use automatix?
[12:22] <Ghismo> no
[12:22] <jmg> good
[12:22] <jmg> backup to be safe
[12:22] <savvas> Ghismo: graphics card?
[12:22] <Ghismo> ati radeon x600
[12:22] <dg> savvas: ok, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/151909
[12:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151909 in ubuntu "Xubuntu install creates /dev/null with permissions 600" [Undecided,New] 
[12:22] <savvas> you didn't install anything from their site?
[12:23] <Ghismo> no i didn't
[12:23] <savvas> dg: so now we have to figure out which package packs the /dev/null :P
[12:23] <dg> heh
[12:23] <savvas> Ghismo: then you should be good to go
[12:23] <Ghismo> hey just a question
[12:24] <jmg> ubotu: is that not devfs?
[12:24] <jmg> oh
[12:24] <Ghismo> what is the difference between candidate release and the official release
[12:24] <jmg> haha
[12:24] <murlidhar> :)
[12:24] <jmg> Ghismo: bug fixes
[12:24] <dg> jmg: devfs doesn't exist anymore..
[12:24] <jmg> and final tweaks
[12:24] <jmg> dg: ok whatever replaced it. udev
[12:24] <dg> it might be udev, but I don't understand that well enough
[12:24] <Ghismo> ok
[12:25] <dg> you'd expect the timestamp to be boot time if it was created by udev though
[12:25] <dg> and it's not
[12:25] <Ghismo> think i'd better to wait even 5 days for the officila release
[12:25] <savvas> dg: it's not, i checked: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=udev&version=gutsy&arch=i386
[12:25] <Ghismo> ok guys thanks for your patience ;-)....just go on
[12:26] <dg> savvas: yes, although it's possible a script creates it..
[12:27] <savvas> hm..
[12:27] <savvas> dg: mknod
[12:28] <savvas> coreutils
[12:28] <murlidhar> savvas: any idea when our bug is gonna be solved?
[12:29] <savvas> murlidhar: no clue, that's why I told you it might be better to try the downloading the actual iso :)
[12:29] <forgottentruth> i guess no one realizes that there is public wireless <3
[12:30] <forgottentruth> :] 
[12:30] <murlidhar> savvas: by the time i download the iso another release candidate would be released and then again i have to download the whole iso
[12:31] <savvas> murlidhar: why?
[12:31] <dg> grr, i wish launchpad would link to code
[12:32] <savvas> murlidhar: you can just update to the next release candidate
[12:32] <dg> as it is I can find a package but not the source
[12:32] <dg> (I was wondering if base-installer creates it)
[12:32] <murlidhar> so can't i update to the daily build that i am having right now
[12:33] <savvas> murlidhar: I'm not familiar with daily builds, and several people came here complaining having problems installing ubuntu from it. if you want to try the daily build, I'd suggest you do a clean format to your / partition, and keep /home untouched if you have a separate /home partition
[12:34] <murlidhar> savvas: phew then the release candidate is a bet for me
[12:34] <murlidhar> savvas: safe bet for me
[12:35] <murlidhar> savvas: can i update using my aptoncd after fresh installing?
[12:35] <savvas> murlidhar: it's a lot more safer than a daily build
[12:36] <savvas> murlidhar: you could use update-manager -d if you want
[12:36] <savvas> you then check for updates
[12:36] <savvas> and it'll do the rest
[12:36] <savvas> just do a backup
[12:36] <murlidhar> savvas: no my internet connection is not that stable
[12:36] <savvas> well ok then, want to use rsync?
[12:37] <murlidhar> savvas: would love to but don't know how to use it
[12:37] <savvas> cd to the folder you want to download it
[12:37] <savvas> murlidhar: then type this: rsync in.releases.ubuntu.com::
[12:38] <murlidhar> savvas: please start a wiki for me ...  thnks:)
[12:38] <savvas> murlidhar: see the last line there? "releases        Ubuntu Release CD Images"
[12:38] <murlidhar> wait
[12:38] <savvas> releases is the next step
[12:38] <savvas> ok
[12:38] <murlidhar> where do i type in the /media/sdb1 folder
[12:39] <savvas> in gnome terminal
[12:39] <savvas> cd /media/sdb1
[12:40] <murlidhar> says no such file or directory
[12:40] <murlidhar> it is perhaps in.archives.ubuntu.com
[12:41] <dystopianray> is kopete still broken in gutsy?
[12:41] <savvas> murlidhar: rsync in.releases.ubuntu.com::
[12:41] <savvas> I just tried it
[12:42] <murlidhar> is still says no such file or directory
[12:42] <savvas> murlidhar: the jigdo files have moved on, they won't do anything about it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/151905
[12:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151905 in ubuntu "jigdo - archive mirror error - missing 37 files (dup-of: 83172)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[12:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 83172 in ubuntu-cdimage "Jigdo for feisty herd-3 is broken" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 
[12:43] <savvas> that's common they say
[12:43] <murlidhar> means?
[12:43] <savvas> means that the jigdo is broken until the final release comes out :)
[12:43] <murlidhar> :(
[12:43] <murlidhar> so rsync won't work too?
[12:44] <savvas> no rsync is different
[12:44] <LuCypher> hi I'm having some issues with apache2...
[12:44] <savvas> murlidhar: did you do the command?
[12:44] <savvas> murlidhar: don't forget the two :: at the end
[12:44] <murlidhar> yes it says no such file or directory
[12:44] <LuCypher> On feisty mod_php was enabled by default...how can I enable it on gutsy?
[12:44] <murlidhar> k
[12:45] <savvas> murlidhar: again error?
[12:45] <murlidhar> rsync: getaddrinfo: in.archives.ubuntu.com 873: Name or service not known
[12:45] <murlidhar> rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(104) [receiver=2.6.9] 
[12:45] <savvas> wth
[12:45] <dystopianray> LuCypher: sudo a2enmod php5
[12:46] <savvas> murlidhar: sudo apt-get install --reinstall rsync
[12:46] <savvas> murlidhar: why are you using archives?
[12:46] <murlidhar> i didn't
[12:47] <savvas> 12:45:46 < murlidhar> rsync: getaddrinfo: in.archives.ubuntu.com 873: Name or service not known
[12:47] <LuCypher> dystopianray : It isn't in /etc/apache2/mods-available
[12:47] <savvas> murlidhar: ok anyway, tell me when it's reinstalled
[12:47] <dystopianray> LuCypher: you need to install php
[12:48] <jhaig> I'm trying the Gutsy RC to see how it affects the power usage on my laptop.  Should running it from the CD have a detrimental effect?  I ask because I seem to be getting a full battery life of 1 1/2 hours, and I normally get about 2 hours with Edgy.  I'm playing around with powertop, and have followed all the suggestions.
[12:48] <LuCypher> already done...
[12:48] <Seeker`> does anyone have any idea why I am logged out when i resume from suspend
[12:48] <LuCypher> I've installed libapache2-mod-php5 and php5
[12:48] <LuCypher> Trying to re-install all now....
[12:48] <dystopianray> ah well in that case I have no idea
[12:49] <LuCypher> thanks anyway
[12:49] <murlidhar> i know just check it http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40357/
[12:49] <murlidhar> savvas: ^
[12:49] <SilentDis> hello :)  decided to take the plunge and upgrade to Gutsy.  Kubuntu 7.04 user, i'm going through the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades.  Question i have is this:  does glx stuff work ok?  Can't live without my WoW *giggle*
[12:50] <savvas> murlidhar: paste this and ONLY THIS [12:50] <savvas> murlidhar: not release, but releases, and don't forget the :: at the end
[12:51] <murlidhar> ok srrry now it is doing something
[12:52] <murlidhar> savvas: it stopped and says This server has limited resources.  A list of Ubuntu archive mirrors
[12:52] <murlidhar> which support rsync can be found here:
[12:53] <Moduliz0r> :'( Wine still hangs at the "Wine Gecko Installer" question
[12:53] <savvas> murlidhar: ok wait a sec
[12:54] <savvas> !mirrors
[12:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[12:54] <murlidhar> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors savvas
[12:54] <Moduliz0r> 6 days :D
[12:54] <murlidhar> yuppie
[12:55] <Moduliz0r> yay steam is running and working
[12:57] <murlidhar> :D
[12:57] <savvas> murlidhar: ok try this: rsync ftp.iitm.ac.in::
[12:58] <Moduliz0r> what's ubuntu like with IEEE1394 (firewire) cameras?
[12:58] <murlidhar> savvas: it doesn't help- http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40361/
[12:59] <savvas> murlidhar: that means it worked
[12:59] <savvas> murlidhar: notice the "ubuntu"
[12:59] <savvas> murlidhar: now try this: rsync ftp.iitm.ac.in::ubuntu/
[12:59] <savvas> murlidhar: don't forget the / at the end
[12:59] <murlidhar> ok
[01:00] <murlidhar> savvas: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40363/
[01:00] <savvas> murlidhar: my bad, this one is just an archive mirror :P
[01:01] <savvas> murlidhar: try this: rsync releases.ubuntu.com::ubuntu/
[01:02] <savvas> murlidhar: sorry, this: rsync releases.ubuntu.com::releases/
[01:02] <h4k4cek> hi
[01:02] <savvas> murlidhar: no need to paste me anything
[01:02] <murlidhar> k
[01:02] <savvas> murlidhar: did you see the 7.10 there?
[01:03] <savvas> murlidhar: now you do: rsync releases.ubuntu.com::releases/7.10/
[01:03] <murlidhar> no it has come out and i copy pasted
[01:03] <savvas> murlidhar: lrwxrwxrwx           5 2007/09/27 13:37:09 7.10
[01:04] <murlidhar> it doesn't go up there
[01:04] <savvas> hm.. lol
[01:04] <savvas> am I the only one whose rsync works?
[01:04] <murlidhar> :P ok now it is working
[01:05] <savvas> murlidhar: what file you want to download?
[01:05] <savvas> ubuntu-7.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso ?
[01:05] <murlidhar> yes
[01:05] <murlidhar> no alternate
[01:05] <savvas> murlidhar: you use this: rsync -L -P -z --stats releases.ubuntu.com::releases/7.10/ubuntu-7.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso ./
[01:06] <murlidhar> k done by changing the desktop to alternate
[01:07] <murlidhar> and it is downloading the whole iso!!!!!!!
[01:07] <murlidhar> savvas: 6
[01:07] <savvas> yep
[01:07] <savvas> murlidhar: save that command somewhere in a file
[01:08] <savvas> murlidhar: you can resume your download where you left it with that command
[01:08] <murlidhar> savvas: can't i use the daily build to complete this?
[01:09] <savvas> murlidhar: well.. try copy it as ubuntu-7.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[01:09] <savvas> and point the rsync there
[01:09] <savvas> something like this: rsync -L -P -z --stats releases.ubuntu.com::releases/7.10/ubuntu-7.10-rc-alternate-i386.iso ./ubuntu-7.10-rc-alternate-i386.iso
[01:10] <murlidhar> i didn't get u .  My dumb brain
[01:12] <stefg> Is it a known issue that gnome-settings-daemon has a tendency to not start on Gutsy RC? Saw some bug reports, but situation remains unclear? Anyone else experiencing that? Bug reporting tme ?
[01:12] <murlidhar> savvas: u mean shall i rename the daily build to this existing name since both are in the same foolder
[01:13] <savvas> murlidhar: press ctrl-c to the rsync
[01:13] <savvas> murlidhar: then remove the existing ubuntu-7.10-... image
[01:14] <murlidhar> savvas: the rc image?
[01:14] <savvas> murlidhar: then rename or copy the daily build to use name of the ubuntu-... image, but be aware if you rename it, I don't know if you'll still have it, that's why I told you to copy it
[01:14] <savvas> yes
[01:15] <savvas> I mean I don't know if it'll get overwritten or not
[01:17] <murlidhar> savvas: i am making a backup file of the daily build and renaming the dailybuild to the existing RC image name ok?
[01:18] <rico_> hey guys. when I log into my gutsy system, the gnoem splash screen is stuck at "gnome-volume-manager" and the gnome desktop doesn't continue to show. how can I debug what's causing this?
[01:19] <rico_> sometimse it moves forward from there, but very slowly
[01:20] <rico_> like minutes before getting into a usable state
[01:20] <jmg> oh no
[01:20] <rico_> oh no?
[01:21] <jmg> whats the key to increase opacity on a window? i just made something transparent by mistake
[01:21] <rico_> are you on compiz? it's probably alt + mousewheel
[01:21] <jmg> no mouse wheel
[01:22] <murlidhar> savvas: it doesn't help prbly i have to download all
[01:23] <savvas> murlidhar: yeah, well at least you won't have a corrupted iso when you download it :)
[01:24] <jmg> compiz settings says alt burron4 and button5
[01:24] <jmg> but i dont have those buttons
[01:24] <Paddy_EIRE> why would gutsy fail to boot on my laptop when all other versions of linux has done so far
[01:24] <Paddy_EIRE> after the boot splash it just hangs
[01:25] <murlidhar> savvas: how different is wget to this rsync
[01:25] <Eq|work> jmg : that's up and down on the mousewheel
[01:25] <savvas> murlidhar: how about A LOT? :)
[01:25] <Eq|work> if you don't have a wheel, you'll have to reconfigure it
[01:25] <jmg> Eq|work: i dont have a mouse wheel, so howd it get triggered?
[01:26] <Eq|work> no idea
[01:26] <savvas> murlidhar: as I said, you won't get a corrupted download
[01:26] <Eq|work> you on a laptop?
[01:26] <jmg> yeah
[01:26] <Eq|work> scroll-function on the touchpad
[01:26] <Eq|work> you know when you tap and hold at the edge, then drag..
[01:26] <jmg> no scroll function
[01:26] <Eq|work> if you did that while holding alt, that'd probably read as the mouse wheel
[01:26] <savvas> murlidhar: I'll have to go, take care
[01:27] <murlidhar> k thnks for helping me out learnt so much today
[01:27] <bela>  hi, I just tryed to install the last ubuntu alterante rc7.10, errors occur in bootstrap and other
[01:27] <brandon_> is there anybody who can get to the gnome or kde desktop after logging in in less than 40 seconds?
[01:27] <jmg> BBBBBBdont understand the gesture sorry
[01:27] <jmg> ill just close the terminal
[01:27] <jmg> night all
[01:28] <murlidhar> savvas: thanks for helping me out learnt so much today
[01:29] <murlidhar> savvas: wait i have good news for u:))))))
[01:30] <murlidhar> well i remember jigdo created a iso.temp file i renamed it to iso and it works
[01:30] <murlidhar> savvas: u there?
[01:31] <murlidhar> savvas: already to 49%
[01:33] <rico_> where can I d/l the new ubuntu rc?
[01:33] <murlidhar> rico_: releases.ubuntu.com
[01:39] <LuCypher> Hi if I enable mod_rewrite by a2enmod rewrite... Does it should appear in apache2ctl -l ???
[01:39] <murlidhar> the release candidate was released on 9th oct and the dailybuild is on 10th oct. Which is more stable
[01:41] <murlidhar> err both were released on the same day so which is more stable ?/
[01:43] <Pici> murlidhar: I'd use the RC if I were you
[01:43] <Pici> murlidhar: The daily isos don't undergo as much testing
[01:51] <murlidhar> k i have mounted the alternate cd now how do i upgrade to gutsy????
[01:52] <Moduliz0r> my resolution didnt change back after i ran my game :@
[01:52] <Moduliz0r> and its not displaying the right screen modes
[01:52] <Moduliz0r> its telling me its 1280x1024 at 50Hz
[01:52] <Moduliz0r> it needs to be 60
[01:53] <murlidhar> k i have mounted the alternate cd now how do i upgrade to gutsy????
[01:55] <IdleOne> murlidhar: mounted? you know to put the cd in the drive and run it and then choose upgrade
[01:55] <IdleOne> i dont know about mounting it to upgrade
[01:55] <IdleOne> murlidhar: you need to put the cd in the drive and run it and then choose upgrade
[01:56] <murlidhar> IdleOne: do i have to burn the cd than to iso mount it??
[01:56] <Jeeves_> Ola!
[01:56] <Moduliz0r> argh
[01:56] <Moduliz0r> it never puts my resolution back
[01:56] <rico_> hey I boot into my system and my sound just stopped working. it used to work. I didn't update the kernel or anything. any clue?
[01:56] <Jeeves_> Anyone up for trying to reproduce a bug for me ?
[01:56] <Jeeves_> (About Visual Effects)
[01:57] <IdleOne> murlidhar: I am not sure what you mean by mounting. but yeah you need to burn the cd and insert it into to drive and boot to the cd
[01:57] <Jeeves_> If you are, just type 'Jeeves_' and I'll see. :)
[01:58] <IdleOne> Jeeves_: why notdescribe the bug and see if anybody can help you. you can also report it to launchpad
[01:59] <Jeeves_> IdleOne: I am familiar with launchpad. Just wanted to know if someone else has the same issue, to give it more 'weight' in the bugreport
[01:59] <murlidhar> IdleOne: iso mounting means creating a virtual cd drive and telling the operating system that u have inserted a physical cd in the cd tray
[02:00] <Jeeves_> IdleOne: And, appearantly... You're not up to it. Perhaps someone else is!
[02:00] <IdleOne> Jeeves_: I see your point but people tend to volunteer when they know what they are getting into.
[02:00] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: maybe tell the problem instead of asking for someone to do it... :P
[02:00] <IdleOne> describe the issue and maybe I will try to help
[02:01] <IdleOne> and also stop being sucha ...
[02:01] <garu> hi everyone
[02:01] <penguincentral> hi garu
[02:01] <Jeeves_> So, I guess you ARE up to it. Don't want to type the whole story ten times.
[02:02] <IdleOne> heh
[02:02] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: dont tell a story...say what the problem is
[02:02] <Jeeves_> Anyways, can anyone try opening more than 3 working gnome-terminals when running Gutsy with Visual effects on normal
[02:02] <IdleOne> must be a full moon
[02:02] <Jeeves_> I get three perfectly normal terminals at most
[02:03] <garu> penguincentral hey there...is everything alright here?
[02:03] <Jeeves_> The fourth, or higher, misses content, or window decoration
[02:03] <Moduliz0r> i've got 4 normals
[02:03] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: all mine is working
[02:03] <IdleOne> I got 5 right now
[02:03] <penguincentral> garu: yeah, it's all good
[02:03] <Jeeves_> If I close a normal terminal, I get a new working on
[02:03] <Jeeves_> Hmm
[02:03] <Jeeves_> Strange
[02:03] <scizzo-> now I have 7+ terminals
[02:03] <scizzo-> so it all seems to work here
[02:04] <Jeeves_> With visual effects enabled right?
[02:04] <Moduliz0r> yeah
[02:04] <scizzo-> yes
[02:04] <Moduliz0r> full vis effects
[02:04] <garu> when is the 7.10 coming out officially?is it next week?
[02:04] <scizzo-> normal effects here
[02:04] <Jeeves_> Can you set it to normal?
[02:04] <Jeeves_> Ok
[02:04] <Jeeves_> Hmm
[02:04] <Moduliz0r> garu: 6 more days
[02:04] <Jeeves_> Any of you using nvidia?
[02:04] <Moduliz0r> i'm nVidia
[02:04] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: yes
[02:05] <Jeeves_> grmbl
[02:05] <Jeeves_> I'll go and file a bug for my own special case than :)
[02:05] <Moduliz0r> :P
[02:05] <Jeeves_> Thanks
[02:05] <IdleOne> see you describe the issue and 3 ppl helped. before that all you had was me telling you to stop being such a ....
[02:06] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: maybe you should test if it happens on a new account?
[02:06] <IdleOne> :)
[02:06] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: and also check the xorg.conf file if there is something missing
[02:06] <Jeeves_> IdleOne: You could have said 'yes, i'm up to it'
[02:06] <Jeeves_> That would have been easy too.
[02:06] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: you can also enable compiz from a terminal and see if there is something there that might give you answers
[02:06] <IdleOne> Jeeves_: like I said I dont volunteer if I dont know what Im getting into
[02:06] <brandon_> is there anybody who can get to the gnome or kde desktop after logging in in less than 40 seconds?
[02:06] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: another thing you can look for is if this happens on Eterm or something simular
[02:06] <Jeeves_> scizzo-: How do I start it from console ?
[02:06] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: so if it is just gnome-terminal or not
[02:07] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: compiz --replace
[02:07] <garu> Moduliz0r 6 more days?oh my god...that's long!lol
[02:07] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: you need to disable it first and then do those things
[02:07] <Jeeves_> scizzo-: Let me see
[02:07] <Moduliz0r> garu: I know! I want it now :'(
[02:07] <Moduliz0r> One is filled with excitement
[02:08] <garu> Moduliz0r I'v downloaded the Beta, but, it just wouldnt start normally, only in safe graphics mode, and...it wouldnt install!
[02:08] <Moduliz0r> owned
[02:08] <garu> I just hope the final version works fine
[02:08] <Moduliz0r> It ran for me first time
[02:09] <Jeeves_> scizzo-: Doesn't give any output
[02:09] <garu> Moduliz0r in my other laptop, the live dvd worked perfectly fine, but also...it wouldnt install!
[02:09] <Moduliz0r> haha
[02:09] <Jeeves_> (Any relevant output, that is)
[02:10] <garu> Moduliz0r I'm just wondering what's the big difference between the beta and the final version...I mean, if it gave me that much trouble with the beta version, will the final one actually change all that! :o
[02:10] <garu> lol
[02:11] <Moduliz0r> i have no idea
[02:11] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: right do the other things I said
[02:13] <hetauma__> did any updates come out since rc ?
[02:13] <bela> I got te 7.10 alternative, tried to install, pb at tzdata and maybe in other package after it. nevertheless the md5sum of the package and all CD is correct I checked them myself
[02:13] <IdleOne> hetauma__: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will tell you if there are any updates
[02:13] <Jeeves_> scizzo-: It works with xterm
[02:13] <Jeeves_> 's
[02:14] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: have you done a compiz update and not restarted x recently?
[02:15] <hetauma__> btw why do I need to have installed xserver-xorg-viedo-intel while having an nvidia card? is it part of ubuntu-desktop ?
[02:15] <Jeeves_> scizzo-: I have upgraded this box to Gutsy this morning
[02:15] <Jeeves_> And restarted afterwards
[02:16] <Jeeves_> grmbl
[02:16] <Jeeves_> Restarted X again
[02:16] <Jeeves_> And now it works
[02:16] <Jeeves_> It's too dodgy, the Visual Effects stuff
[02:16] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: well honestly....have you used the effects in feisty?
[02:17] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: cause sometimes you might need to do a new user home dir and then restart X so you start from scratch to get it all working...
[02:17] <san> when I started ubuntu 7.10 compiz worked out of the box on my ati card...
[02:17] <Jeeves_> scizzo-: Nope. I don't like the visual effects. They take too much time and to much CPU. Therefor they do not give a better workspace, as they claim.
[02:18] <san> but when I want more options what should I do?
[02:18] <Jeeves_> scizzo-: That's ugly.
[02:18] <hit> san: which card?
[02:18] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: ugly?
[02:18] <san> hit: ati mobility radeon 900
[02:18] <Jeeves_> Having to clean your homedir and stuff
[02:18] <san> 9000 even
[02:18] <scizzo-> san: compizconfig-settings-manager
[02:18] <hit> radeon 9550 here and worked
[02:19] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: its good that all are different in that matter...
[02:19] <hit> except when i tryed to install ati official drivers, which fu*ked up ubuntu
[02:19] <san> and how does it go with games / 3d apps?
[02:20] <hit> well
[02:20] <Jeeves_> scizzo-: How do you mean?
[02:20] <hit> san: using cube?
[02:21] <IdleOne> hit please watch your language. I knwo you tried to cover it up but I think your encryption algorythm needs to be updates :)
[02:21] <IdleOne> updated
[02:21] <san> not yet (fresh install)
[02:21] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: the visual effects
[02:21] <san> hit: but I work on a 3d application for the university
[02:21] <san> and I need that to run proper
[02:22] <Jeeves_> scizzo-: Anyway, thanks.
[02:22] <scizzo-> Jeeves_: np
[02:22] <Jeeves_> See ya IdleOne. And thanks a lot for your great help!
[02:22] <IdleOne> lol was that meant to be sarcastic?
[02:23] <san> hit: not the intention to use the cube btw.. but I want scale, expo and some other stuff..
[02:23] <Moduliz0r> i love Introversion Software
[02:24] <Moduliz0r> they've released native Linux versions of their games
[02:24] <KenSentMe> Moduliz0r, they make some nice games
[02:24] <hit> san: enable custom effects?
[02:24] <Moduliz0r> Defcon is cool :D
[02:24] <KenSentMe> Moduliz0r, i bought all of them, although i havent played Defcon yet
[02:25] <Moduliz0r> Defcon is quite hard sometime
[02:25] <Moduliz0r> s
[02:25] <Moduliz0r> its the only one I have though :P
[02:25] <sbucatino> someone knows how to configure wacom graphire 4 i have searched in the forum but still not luck =(
[02:25] <Moduliz0r> i got it on steam, but i'm downloading the linux one now
[02:27] <san> hit: I know how to configure compiz.. but I was just wondering how 3d apps work with the non-official driver
[02:28] <san> ah terrible :) 54 fps in glxgears
[02:28] <hit> san: open source is fine, official ones did a large mess
[02:28] <Moduliz0r> i only seem to top 70fps in Garry's Mod :( but i can't complain, it's actually running
[02:28] <san> hit: but the official ones at least offer 3d supoprt
[02:28] <san> support
[02:29] <hit> 500-600 fps here
[02:29] <Moduliz0r> :O
[02:29] <bibe> hi all. I am trying to set up evolution in Gutsy as I had it configured in Feisty. My "main" account was a "Local delivery" pointing to /var/mail/bibe. If I try to use "Local delivery" in Evolution 2.20 from Gutsy, I can only select directories instead of files. Why did this change?
[02:30] <Moduliz0r> can I host a "virtual phone line" with ubuntu?
[02:31] <hit> san: how much gfx ram?
[02:31] <san> euh.. lemme check (somewhere)
[02:32] <hit> 2500-2600 fps with glxgears minimized
[02:33] <san> how do I check the ram on my gfx card?
[02:33] <san> (remember this is a mobility version)
[02:34] <hit> hmm, good question
[02:34] <hit> i know i have 128 mb at least
[02:34] <uga> hit: errrm... when it's minimised it does nothing, basically
[02:35] <hit> which means...?
[02:36] <uga> hit: it means 2600fps when minimised means nothing
[02:37] <uga> btw, I'm running two desktops kde3 and kde4 right now, and ... 28395 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5678.832 FPS
[02:37] <uga> GF8500 GT
[02:37] <uga> around 3000+ when building kde at the same time
[02:38] <garu> what's the equivalent to "ipconfig" in linux?
[02:38] <hit> well, 9550SE isn't much a gfx card either
[02:38] <jusama14> do you guys have the unichrome drivers for via chipsets?
[02:39] <jusama14> I'm running ubuntu 7.10
[02:39] <uga> hit: heh, you should get those numbers when NOT minimised ;)
[02:39] <hit> then it's around 500-600
[02:39] <hit> 628 atm
[02:40] <penguincentral> 6 days to go :)
[02:40] <MrStein> Did anyone else noticed a beep while booting the LiveCD ?
[02:40] <uga> hit: you should install the nvidia binaries...
[02:40] <hit> nvidia?
[02:40] <hit> i have ati
[02:40] <uga> oh sorry, I forgot =)
[02:40] <uga> you should buy an nvidia card...
[02:40] <uga> :P
[02:40] <hit> wow, got 1000 fps now
[02:40] <jusama14> I'm trying to get the unichrome/openchrome drivers for via chipsets but when I try to install it from synaptic it has an error
[02:41] <jusama14> I tried running glxinfo and my computer just jammed
[02:41] <san> hit: I guess just 32 Mb
[02:42] <hit> ok
[02:42] <hit> hmm, glxinfo gave me "direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set)"
[02:42] <hit> but it surely was Yes before
[02:43] <san> 1000 fps
[02:43] <bwayne> so how heavy are the daily updates?  lots everyday, or slowly waning ?
[02:44] <san> does someone recommend a good gui svn client?
[02:44] <ebichu> Where can i view gutsys bugs?
[02:44] <MrStein> on launchpad.net
[02:44] <avatar_> san: rapidsvn
[02:45] <hit> argh, xorg.conf messed up again
[02:46] <hit> did dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg yesterday and everything was nice and clear, now its kind of messy again
[02:46] <avatar_> bwayne: last few days just a handfull. Last weeks 80 a day
[02:47] <bwayne> avatar_: nice.  which flavor you use?
[02:48] <avatar_> bwayne: gutsy
[02:48] <rico_> is there a dpkg-reconfigure i can do to reconfigure sound?
[02:48] <rico_> :b
[02:48] <rico_> my sound stopped working
[02:48] <Moduliz0r> how can I sort of, serve a dial-up networking point with Ubuntu?
[02:49] <bwayne> avatar_: i mean, 64-bit Kubuntu, 32-bit Xubuntu .... ?
[02:49] <ebichu> Where should i submit this: when opening media format (music or video) in firefox, whole x crashes?
[02:49] <ebichu> On launchpad.
[02:49] <ebichu> Under Mozilla Firefox or X11 ?
[02:49] <Moduliz0r> maybe both?
[02:49] <Moduliz0r> is that possible
[02:49] <avatar_> bwayne: 32bits ubuntu
[02:50] <bwayne> avatar_: ah.  gnome 2.20, hype?
[02:51] <avatar_> for me not large improvements
[02:51] <avatar_> i'm just using firefox + a handfull gnome-terminals
[02:52] <Zambezi> Which kernel is it in Gutsy?
[02:52] <san> avatar_: tnx
[02:52] <avatar_> Zambezi: 2.6.22-14
[02:52] <jhaig> Zambezi: 2.6.22
[02:52] <san> Zambezi: 2.6.22-14
[02:52] <san> :)
[02:52] <bazhang> may reach .15
[02:52] <Zambezi> Thanks, thanks and thanks! :-P
[02:53] <bwayne> aw c'mon.  doesn't ubuntu know that .23 was just released.  :)
[02:53] <bazhang> :] 
[02:53] <san> always talking about cutting edge.. ;)
[02:53] <Zambezi> bwayne, I heard there's major changes in it.
[02:53] <bazhang> who'll still be here after 10/18 for Hardy?
[02:53] <bwayne> Zambezi: ya.  looking forward to it.
[02:54] <avatar_> bazhang: short after gutsy release i'll update my workstation to hardy
[02:54] <ebichu> How do i submit bugs on launchpad?
[02:55] <ebichu> I registered myself.
[02:55] <Zambezi> bwayne, I don't know which changes there is, but I heard there might be problems with VMWare.
[02:55] <stefg> !bug | ebichu
[02:55] <ubotu> ebichu: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[02:55] <bazhang> avatar_: I'll be here too--rumoured to reach tribe 1 11.29 or thereabouts..
[02:56] <ebichu> Thanks.
[02:56] <bwayne> Zambezi: yeah?  that'd be bad.  I was reading about the changes on /.  I think the virtualization I use (virtualbox) is based on VMware.  Can't remember.
[02:57] <Zambezi> bwayne, Not that good then. Let's see what happens next. There will be people trying. Do you know what new in the kernel? If there's some major changes?
[02:57] <bwayne> Zambezi: from what I understand, a completely new scheduler for one.
[02:58] <Zambezi> bwayne, It's going to be interesting. Lets see how things are going. I'm not sure I'll upgrade to Gutsy.
[02:59] <AngryElf> silly dhclient doesn't work automatically, should I stick it in a startup script, say /etc/rc2.d/S99getip ??
[02:59] <bwayne> Zambezi: meh.  just test it on a separate partition.  :)
[03:00] <AngryElf> and what's the compiz effects manager package that I need to get more effects enabled?
[03:00] <Zambezi> bwayne, The problem spells Compiz. I don't like it. I want it plain and simple.
[03:01] <bazhang> AngryElf: it is called compizconfig-settings-manager.
[03:01] <AngryElf> ty
[03:01] <bazhang> np
[03:02] <AngryElf> once it's installed is it this "Advanced DEsktop Effects Settings" on my prefs menu?
[03:02] <bazhang> yes
[03:03] <bazhang> you should also probably install compiz-fusion-plugins-main and extra, emerald
[03:03] <AngryElf> werd, it seems to be broken right now, but i haven't done an update in 1-2 weeks so....20 minutes later we'll see what happend
[03:03] <AngryElf> happens
[03:04] <AngryElf> thanx for the help
[03:04] <bazhang> sure
[03:04] <AngryElf> oh, what's the status of compiz + 2 monitors?
[03:04] <bwayne> Zambezi: yeah.  i don't find the cube very useful.  desktop wall, however, I can't live without.
[03:05] <rico_> hasn't compiz supported dual monitors for a while now?
[03:05] <bazhang> yes
[03:12] <matte_> hi there
[03:12] <WorkingOnWise> hi room
[03:12] <WorkingOnWise> what do I need to do to be sure Ubuntu boots properly after I put a partition inbetween 2 existing partitions?
[03:14] <LiMaO> WorkingOnWise: you need to boot
[03:14] <LiMaO> =)
[03:14] <WorkingOnWise> LiMaO: ?
[03:15] <LiMaO> well, if it finishes booting properly, then it's all good, if it doesn't, then you can start tracking the problem
[03:15] <LiMaO> if i did understand you problem correctly
[03:16] <san> I enabled the widgets plugin for compiz but there are no widgets installed by default?
[03:17] <san> where can I get them?
[03:17] <Zambezi> bwayne, I might give Gutsy a chance, but I hope I can disable the cube. I never tried it, but I don't see any point with it.
[03:18] <WorkingOnWise> ah...this a preparitory question. I have sda1 which is windows, and sda2 which is where Ubuntu is. I gave all but 1.5GB to Ubuntu when I installed it. Rightnow Ubuntu has about 25GB free space. I want to move files from Win to Ubuntu, then make a new partition of the newly freed windows space. This will put Ubuntu on the 3rd partition, and it's swap on the 4th. What do I do be fiv the errors due to the partitions being ch
[03:18] <bwayne> Zambezi: the cube is for dazzling newbs and to attract them to use linux, in my opinion.  A 2x2 desktop wall where you can zoom out and rearrange windows, along with a desktop pager, comes in handy though
[03:19] <LiMaO> WorkingOnWise: oh, now i got the point
[03:20] <LiMaO> WorkingOnWise: i think that by changing /etc/fstab to correctly point to those partitions everything will be gine
[03:20] <LiMaO> fine*
[03:20] <Zambezi> bwayne, That's a feature I haven't tried. But a feature I like in Feisty is multiple desktops. I have six.
[03:21] <Trewas> Zambezi: cube is not enabled by default, and overall the plugins used in compiz by default are quite sensible now and there is not too much bling
[03:21] <bwayne> Zambezi: six!  I barely use four.
[03:22] <Zambezi> bwayne, I use one now only, but it's good to hide applications when friends here.
[03:22] <bwayne> grouping and tabbing windows comes in handy as well, especially terminals.
[03:22] <bwayne> ack!  i'm burning this ISO at 32x!! hope it works.
[03:23] <bazhang> scale is a must have here.
[03:23] <WorkingOnWise> fiv/fix
[03:23] <bwayne> scale is good as long as it's a button+corner and not just corner initiation.
[03:23] <bazhang> true
[03:24] <bwayne> at one point I had all four corners hot.  my wife was never more confused.
[03:24] <bazhang> :}
[03:24] <bwayne> fusion's button+corner saved the day.
[03:25] <WorkingOnWise> LiMaO: thanks Thats what I couldn't remember! I gotta get my "My Documents" folder to a partition Win and Ubuntu can share...
[03:25] <bazhang> :}
[03:25] <LiMaO> WorkingOnWise: you're welcome =)
[03:26] <bwayne> i guess I'll just have to do a disk check before I install.
[03:27] <WorkingOnWise> bwayne: my wife hates the cube, and the springgy when it rolls to the next viewport. I keep it on just to keep he off my latop. She likes to steal it to watch DVD's
[03:27] <WorkingOnWise> he/steal
[03:28] <penguincentral> WorkingOnWise: in your opinion, do you think that the desktop cube is useful, or just bling?
[03:28] <bwayne> WorkingOnWise: just set it to flip on pointer-edge.  that'll stop all the confusion.  :)
[03:28] <MTecknology> bling
[03:29] <MTecknology> but i've seen ppl's jaws literally drop seeing it
[03:29] <WorkingOnWise> penguincentral: to be brutally honest, it is just bling that I have worked very hard to justivy as producive because it as Just Sooo Freakin KEWL!!!
[03:29] <bazhang> :}
[03:29] <penguincentral> WorkingOnWise: agreed
[03:29] <MTecknology> expo is useful
[03:29] <MTecknology> and a few other ones
[03:29] <WorkingOnWise> MTecknology: yes
[03:30] <MrStein> Did anyone else noticed a beep while booting the LiveCD ? Noone ?
[03:31] <penguincentral> MrStein: what version?
[03:31] <WorkingOnWise> Did you guys use beryl and the cube?
[03:31] <MrStein> penguincentral:  gutsy , some daily from october
[03:31] <WorkingOnWise> where'd the setting go in cf to give the windows thickness and space between each one when you rotated the cube?
[03:31] <penguincentral> MrStein: I don't use the daily build
[03:32] <MrStein> penguincentral: I'm sure it does not happen just on a specific daily. Did you try any version ?
[03:32] <MrStein> penguincentral: but I guess it does not beep for you, because you would tell ..
[03:33] <WorkingOnWise> MrStein: mine beeped on my laptop
[03:33] <penguincentral> actually, I previously heard a beep when the login screen came (after installation of alpha5)
[03:33] <WorkingOnWise> only once.
[03:33] <penguincentral> but not in live
[03:34] <MrStein> it happened before X started. I think I experienced this a few months ago. And years ago with redhat.
[03:34] <MrStein> correection: it happened yesterday AND a few months ago.
[03:34] <penguincentral> ok
[03:34] <penguincentral> well MrStein: i plead ignorence on this one.  soryr
[03:34] <penguincentral> sorry
[03:35] <MrStein> well, there are hundreds of more important bugs ...
[03:35] <penguincentral> yeah
[03:35] <penguincentral> true
[03:35] <penguincentral> actually, I have a bug that is more important
[03:35] <penguincentral> let me find it
[03:35] <MrStein> speaking of ... is gutsy still sheduled to release next wekk (or what was the exact date...) ?
[03:35] <penguincentral> Oct 18 MrStein
[03:36] <stefg> i hope it gets revised again.... gutsy is far from release ready
[03:36] <murlidhar> err how to enable smooth font ????
[03:36] <penguincentral> !bug 150938 | MrStein
[03:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150938 in ubuntu "Screen resolution problems at login screen" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150938
[03:36] <MrStein> penguincentral: yep, next week
[03:36] <penguincentral> MrStein: check that bug out.  now that's really annoying
[03:37] <MrStein> aaaaaargh, nvidia binary !
[03:37] <penguincentral> yep
[03:37] <penguincentral> i run a 7600 GS
[03:37] <MrStein> ;-)
[03:37] <penguincentral> yeah
[03:37] <penguincentral> it's somewhat purdy
[03:38] <murlidhar> me having a 19inch lcd and how to enable smooth fonts i don't remember how i did it in feisty
[03:38] <MrStein> is gutsy DVD only, no CD ?
[03:38] <WorkingOnWise> I never ceases to amaze me. I used Fiesty in Alpha and Beta, and now am using Gutsy. You all tlke about how "not ready" they are, and all I can think is "Jeeze, it's more stable that WinXP that has got 8 years of development on it!"
[03:39] <penguincentral> MrStein: CD
[03:39] <penguincentral> MrStein: where did you get _that_ idea?
[03:40] <bwayne> WorkingOnWise: that's true.  i have to log on to windows from time to time.  recently i purchased a new printer, which sent XP into the stratosphere.  I had to hard reboot at least once before things went well.
[03:40] <penguincentral> bwayne: sometimes for programs to work in wine you need to install it into windows first :(
[03:41] <bwayne> penguincentral: wha?? that's just _weird_.
[03:41] <MrStein> penguincentral: well, there is no CD beta download, neither a rc
[03:41] <penguincentral> MrStein: wha???
[03:42] <AngryElf> so, I went to change background -> Visual Effects, checked Custom and went to Preferences -> Effects/Animations Minimize Action where I wanted to set it to "Burn" but it isn't burning...
[03:42] <MrStein> WorkingOnWise: for some people a Yugo is "ready" and "stable", for others, it isn't.
[03:42] <WorkingOnWise> bwayne: yeah, I am no developer, but If this is the linux community's idea of "unstable", I'll take 2!
[03:42] <AngryElf> Did I miss something?
[03:42] <AngryElf> I got the little "Enable Animations" checkbox too
[03:42] <penguincentral> MrStein: http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/ubuntu-7.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso is the link for the RC
[03:42] <penguincentral> it's cd
[03:42] <Pici> !rc | MrStein
[03:42] <ubotu> MrStein: Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) Release Candidate information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - The RC is development software and as such unstable, support *ONLY* in #ubuntu+1
[03:42] <MrStein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/rc/ has only DVD images
[03:43] <Pici> MrStein: please read the link above.
[03:43] <bwayne> WorkingOnWise: in my experience, "unstable" is merely a disclaimer which means "don't blame us when it all hits the fan".
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Pici: you expect people to actually *read*?
[03:43] <WorkingOnWise> just finished an update. Gotta reboot the oozing pile of instability ;-)
[03:43] <Pici> Hobbsee: My faith in humanity is often misplaced.
[03:43] <Hobbsee> goodness me.  crazy person.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> Pici: yeah, well.  mine too.
[03:44] <penguincentral> Hobbsee: it's like skipping the EULA in proprietary software... or the GPL in open source software
[03:44] <MrStein> aaargh, wh< are there 2 (or more) download sites, each different ????
[03:44] <MrStein> <=y
[03:44] <bwayne> well, i'm off to install 64-bit Kubuntu RC1.  wish me luck!
[03:44] <Hobbsee> penguincentral: that's significantly longer
[03:44] <penguincentral> Hobbsee: thanks for pointing out the obvious
[03:44] <MrStein> is also funny to put the RC version into the "release" directory ;-)
[03:45] <penguincentral> yeah
[03:45] <sleepynate> heh
[03:45] <Hobbsee> penguincentral: as in, the chance people will read something is inversely proportional to it's lenght
[03:45] <Hobbsee> MrStein: compared to the daily builds?  makes sense to me
[03:46] <penguincentral> Hobbsee: yeah
[03:46] <penguincentral> we get it
[03:46] <AngryElf> does compiz have an OSX function (F10,F11) that show all your open windows and lets yhou select?
[03:46] <penguincentral> one line is significantly shorter than 10 pages (or is the GPL less?)
[03:47] <Hobbsee> i've only ever read the abbreviated version of the GPL.
[03:47] <penguincentral> on
[03:48] <penguincentral> oh*
[03:48] <MrStein> "Its free. Freeee!" There is no need for a longer version :-)
[03:48] <penguincentral> MrStein: well, you're wrong
[03:49] <penguincentral> MrStein: the GPL is there to protect FOSS technology from being stolen and made proprietary by other companies
[03:49] <rico_> AngryElf, yes. It's called 'scale'
[03:49] <penguincentral> so distribute it all you want, but if you want to adopt the techonlogy in your software, you need to provide access to the source code
[03:50] <penguincentral> MrStein: does that make sense?
[03:50] <AngryElf> rico_: ty
[03:51] <BlueAidan_work> hmm.... was using the beta dvd and had a problem with ubuntu recognizing the 2nd scsi hard disk in a vmware image
[03:51] <BlueAidan_work> I'll try the rc
[03:52] <MrStein> penguincentral: no, GPL means free , free and free, even if you turn over and die, it is free. Forever. Free. Get it ?
[03:53] <penguincentral> MrStein: let's argue it in offtopic
[03:53] <penguincentral> MrStein: go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:53] <penguincentral> we can discuss it there
[03:54] <MrStein> bye
[03:57] <BlueAidan_work> wow, torrent speeds are rocking
[03:59] <AlexC_> Hey there,
[04:00] <redheat> hi everyone
[04:00] <AlexC_> I've got an issue with Gutsy - the sound is crackling like mad! I'm using a SoundBlaster Live 5.1
[04:00] <pkern> Who's in charge of the release notes?
[04:01] <redheat> folks, I have a question, today I saw a message on Ubuntu's website saying coming soon, has the previous date been changed?
[04:01] <redheat> I mean it's still coming after 3 or 4 days right?
[04:01] <Pici> redheat: Still coming on the 18th afaik.
[04:01] <Seeker`> AlexC_: what audio player are you using?
[04:02] <redheat> thank you so much, I got the heebie geebies..lol when I saw the words coming soon
[04:02] <redheat> cause i was used to that counter..
[04:02] <redheat> thank you so much..take care folks..and have a nice day to all of you..
[04:02] <redheat> bye
[04:02] <AlexC_> Seeker`: that would be Rhythmbox, I shall try in another player now to see
[04:03] <AlexC_> Seeker`: oh, I just paused my music and now I'm getting a hissing sound out of my speakers =\
[04:04] <Seeker`> :S
[04:04] <AlexC_> Seeker`: doesn't appear to be any crackling in Totem,
[04:04] <Ben_Cs> hello. if i have kubuntu gutsy and i get the updates. so when the official release will be out, will my kubuntu update to it?
[04:04] <AlexC_> sure, Ben_Cs
[04:05] <Seeker`> AlexC_: "Edit->Preferences->Use crossfading backend"
[04:05] <Ben_Cs> thanks
[04:05] <Seeker`> AlexC_: then restart rhythmbox, see if that fixes it
[04:06] <AlexC_> Seeker`: great, that seems to have done the trick! Any idea about the hissing sound?
[04:06] <Seeker`> no, sorry
[04:06] <Seeker`> AlexC_: check your connections?
[04:06] <AlexC_> Seeker`: I'll double check,
[04:07] <AlexC_> Seeker`: unplugged them all and re-plugged them, no difference, hum
[04:07] <Seeker`> AlexC_: dont know then, sorry
[04:08] <AlexC_> Seeker`: ok, thanks for the help anyway - at least the crackling has gone
[04:08] <shriphani> when will gutsy be released ?
[04:08] <Seeker`> AlexC_: you could try turning down the master volume a little to see if it makes a difference
[04:08] <Seeker`> shriphani: 18th
[04:08] <AlexC_> oh oh, hold on :P I just went into Switches and disabled SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack
[04:08] <AlexC_> yum!
[04:10] <AlexC_> thanks, bye all!
[04:10] <penguincentral> er, i mean apt!
[04:16] <Fishy> Do I have to do anything in order to upgrade from Kubuntu gutsy 7.10 beta2 to kubuntu gutsy 7.10 RC?
[04:17] <Pici> !final | Fishy
[04:17] <ubotu> Fishy: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[04:18] <Fishy> pici: Thanks a lot :)'
[04:18] <Pici> Fishy: no problem
[04:18] <bintut> what's the contents of the /etc/rc.local file?
[04:19] <Pici> bintut: exit 0
[04:19] <bintut> Pici: only "exit 0"?
[04:19] <llutz> anyone using intel 915gm graphics with xserver-xorg-video-intel  and also  has freezes when shutting down X?
[04:19] <Pici> bintut: let me paste it
[04:20] <bintut> Pici: i accidentally overwrite the /etc/rc.local and i don't know the contents of that file
[04:20] <bintut> Pici: yes please?
[04:20] <Pici> bintut: http://pastebin.com/f40416b69
[04:21] <dholbach> MOTU Q&A session in #ubuntu-classroom in 7 minutes
[04:25] <bintut> Pici: thanks.. :)
[04:25] <rico_> fellas, what's MOTU?
[04:26] <Seeker`> Masters of the universe
[04:26] <Seeker`> they manage the universe packages
[04:26] <rico_> oh.
[04:27] <Seeker`> Ximal: lo, how is irssi going?
[04:29] <rockets> Every single time I boot gutsy (the RC), when I log in to gnome I get the message "failed to initialize hal", and due to that automount and a bunch of stuff doesnt work. then once I do /etc/init.d/hal stop and then start it works fine. but I ALWAYS have to do it. any ideas?
[04:31] <Ximal> hi guys
[04:32] <Ximal> finally made it back
[04:33] <LiMaO> hey everyone, how is it going with that RC version? are things better now?
[04:36] <bintut> is the xen package in gutsy updated already? i've heard that the xen-3.1.0 has so many bugs and security holes and xen-3.1.1 fixes them
[04:37] <Pici> bintut: Someone (may have been you) asked me the other day and we concluded that it hasnt.
[04:37] <pvandewyngaerde_> how do i install drupal ?
[04:38] <bintut> Pici: it was the discussion lately in ##xen
[04:38] <Hobbsee> bintut: it will be tomorrow
[04:39] <bintut> Hobbsee: you mean, the release of xen-3.1.1?
[04:39] <AnRkey> what is the current status of gutsy, RC1?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> bintut: at least a new upload of it to ubuntu, yes.
[04:39] <Hobbsee> it's probably the latest
[04:40] <annemarie> anyone knows where to find w32codecs.tar.gz?
[04:40] <Seeker`> annemarie: you can get the w32codecs package from the medibuntu repository
[04:40] <annemarie> Seeker`: also for gutsy?
[04:41] <Seeker`> annemarie: yup
[04:41] <annemarie> Seeker`: i do not see them
[04:41] <AnRkey> pvandewyngaerde_, sudo apt-get install drupal5
[04:41] <Seeker`> annemarie: you are running 32bit?
[04:41] <Seeker`> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-free
[04:42] <Seeker`> add that line to the bottom of /etc/apt/sources.list and then run sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:42] <Seeker`> then you will be able to install w32codecs
[04:42] <bintut> Hobbsee: i hope it's the xen-3.1.1 already.. i'll wait for it..
[04:43] <annemarie> thanks See\
[04:43] <annemarie> *thanks Seeker` :)
[04:44] <murlidhar> savvas: are u there?
[04:46] <pvandewyngaerde_> AnRkey:  yes that is installed, but i cant find how to make it work ,    /drupal5  gives me a file to download
[04:54] <jaspn> hey
[04:55] <jaspn> are there any known issues about movie playback where the picture is foobar and the only way to play a movie is to restart X
[04:55] <jaspn> it affects all movie players
[04:55] <hjmills> is firefox broken?
[04:56] <jaspn> firefox works
[04:57] <nanonyme> hey, which version of compiz will gutsy have?
[04:57] <jaspn> nanonyme, it has 0.6 atm
[04:57] <pvandewyngaerde_> do i need an extra php module for drupal ?
[04:57] <jaspn> nanonyme, but 6.1 will probably also be included
[04:57] <nanonyme> hmm
[04:58] <pwuertz> does anyone with compiz+nvidia experience a major slowdown with the rubberband tool when selecting files across the desktop?
[04:58] <hjmills> my firefox has crashed about 8 times today and has been almost perfect up till now - I thnk it is the flash player. Is anybody else having problems?
[04:58] <nanonyme> jaspn, eh, compiz site lists 0.5.2 as the newest development version
[04:58] <nanonyme> 0.4 should be stable compiz
[04:59] <pwuertz> hjmills: firefox is crashing often with nvidia-drivers + flash plugin... dont know why
[04:59] <jaspn> nanonyme, gutsy uses compiz fusion
[04:59] <jaspn> pwuertz, flash is a ff killer
[04:59] <nanonyme> jaspn, http://compiz.org/ tell me where you can see compiz 0.6 there
[05:00] <hjmills> jaspn, with flash so common on the web ff needs to work with it
[05:00] <pwuertz> jaspn: well... ff is not crashing when using the "nv" driver or on my intel systems...
[05:00] <jaspn> hjmills, tell that to adobe
[05:00] <nanonyme> now that we're sure compiz 0.6 doesn't exist, what is going on?
[05:00] <pwuertz> jaspn: but It crashes often on nvidia+flash systems
[05:00] <jaspn> nanonyme, hehe
[05:01] <jaspn> nanonyme, it does exits
[05:01] <hjmills> jaspn, or the firefox devs who are more likely to do something about it
[05:01] <nanonyme> jaspn, why isn't it listed on project web page then?
[05:01] <jaspn> nanonyme, because its compiz fusion not compiz
[05:01] <nanonyme> erm, did you get 0.6 from git?
[05:02] <nanonyme> that is, an experimental version
[05:02] <pwuertz> so about that rubberband thing... anyone experienced a sluggish behavior when selecting files across the desktop?
[05:02] <zengen> I'm using the alternate install of the release candidate for i386 and it's hanging on 'Installed Tomboy' at 85%.  I've used this cd on 2 other computers today with no problems.  Any ideas?
[05:02] <nanonyme> better have that Bulletproof X working pretty well then ;)
[05:02] <jaspn> nanonyme, no git
[05:02] <jaspn> nanonyme, gutsy has compiz 0.6.1
[05:03] <Ximal> what's going on now ?
[05:04] <nanonyme> http://www.compiz-fusion.org/ no >0.5.2 announced there either that i can see
[05:04] <jaspn> nanonyme, check the mailinglists
[05:04] <Pici> nanonyme: these are the versions compiled from the git sources
[05:04] <AlexC_> hey,
[05:05] <murlidhar> savvas: are u there?
[05:05] <nanonyme> Pici, but git sources before releases are supposed to be experimental :/
[05:05] <AlexC_> I've backed up my Thunderbird data from my Feisty install (just by copying the contents of my profile folder) however Gutsy has Thunderbird 2 and simply copying the contents back into the new profile does not seem to work. Is there anyway I can import my 1.5 thunderbird details into Thunderbird 2?
[05:05] <Pici> nanonyme: such is life
[05:05] <pvandewyngaerde_> how do i open a phtml file  ??   it wants to download it
[05:06] <nanonyme> Pici, yeah, but they don't belong to soon-to-be-stable distro, do they?
[05:06] <nanonyme> distro version, that is
[05:06] <jaspn> Pici, isnt 0.6.1 released ?
[05:07] <jaspn> Pici, any idea whats wrong here http://bayimg.com/LAHpPAabi
[05:07] <jaspn> Pici, this happens in all movie players
[05:07] <Pici> nanonyme: The devs must have deemed them stable enough
[05:07] <nanonyme> shocking
[05:07] <nanonyme> Pici, compiz-fusion devs obviously didn't since they didn't release
[05:08] <jaspn> compiz fusion 0.6 is released
[05:08] <Pici> nanonyme: we have c-f devs working with the ubuntu devs.  Some of them are even the same person.
[05:08] <jaspn> 0.6.1 is a bugfix branch
[05:08] <nanonyme> ah
[05:09] <nanonyme> Pici, well, that's different then
[05:12] <nanonyme> Pici, quite nice since that way you can play faster than the official compiz-fusion announcement
[05:15] <pvandewyngaerde_> i am havind a problem with apache2 and php5
[05:16] <maff> upon logging in via gdm the screen goes the nice orange color for about 30-45 seconds then kicks back out to the gdm login.
[05:16] <maff> anyone else have this gnome issue?
[05:17] <hetauma__> any ideas if it's possible to have 3d support to windows under vmware?
[05:18] <MattyM> Hi folks, having trouble installing Ubuntu Gutsy.  After selecting to start install, it flashes video mode not supported on my monitor
[05:18] <MattyM> tried safe graphic mode and same issue.
[05:18] <MattyM> Abit il-90mv with a Intel GMA 950
[05:19] <mmkassem> hetauma__ : AFAIK vmware does not support 3D on guest OS yet
[05:20] <jaspn> hetauma__, you cant
[05:24] <tenfj> Hi all, sorry if this question has been asked alot. What is the cleanest and "best" way to aquire a 3d desktop on gutsy? beryl, compiz, compiz-fusion? aquamarine (which I can't find in apt) or emereld? Hope that someone can point me in the right direction :-) Thanks in advance
[05:24] <lee__> hi ya
[05:25] <lee__> how does one take an iso and make a bootable hdd?
[05:25] <lee__> i am out of disks ll
[05:27] <tenfj> on KDE that is (thought this was kubuntu )
[05:27] <aTypical> Morning, all.  I'm trying to install 7.10 on my laptop.  All appears to go well until it gets to 90% complete.  At that point the install seems to hang.  Is there a way I can find out if the install is in fact still going?
[05:28] <pwuertz> listen to your hard drive?
[05:28] <bqmassey> in 7.10 RC.. where can I can i customize which windows effects are applied?
[05:28] <aTypical> As an additional piece of info, I'm installing off the alternate cd.
[05:28] <aaroncampbell> What do I need to do to tell KDE that my monitor is 1680x1050?
[05:28] <pwuertz> maybe the installer is trying to contact some update-servers at this point...
[05:29] <Seeker`> bqmassey: Right click on the desktop, change background, then look at the visual effects tab
[05:30] <pvandewyngaerde_> how do i make apache2 interprete  php files  ?
[05:30] <aTypical> pwuertz, is that a normal thing for it to do?
[05:30] <aTypical> The last thing I see is it installs Tomboy.
[05:31] <pwuertz> aTypical: I think I just read something about that bug
[05:31] <bqmassey> Seeker:  that only gives me three options.. i'm looking for a way to enable/disable each effect individually
[05:32] <aTypical> pwuertz, any chance you have a link?
[05:32] <pwuertz> zengen: I'm using the alternate install of the release candidate for i386 and it's hanging on 'Installed Tomboy' at 85%.  I've used this cd on 2 other computers today with no problems.  Any ideas?
[05:33] <Seeker`> bqmassey: install compizconfig-settings-manager , then look again - there will be a customize option
[05:34] <pwuertz> I dont know if this is still true.. but I once installed ubuntu from the alternate cd.. and the installer tried to wget something... since this system was configured to use a gateway blocking any traffic at this moment, the wget process did not return and the installer was stuck
[05:34] <|neon|> ne1 te new "beta" IBM Symphony it says to rival office 2007 and it has a linux version
[05:34] <bqmassey> Seeker:  ok.. i'll have to try that later.. running Live CD right now...
[05:34] <Seeker`> you can still install stuff I think
[05:35] <dereine> has someone here hamachi on gutsy?
[05:35] <bqmassey> neon: the linux version wouldn't happen to be free would it?
[05:35] <|neon|> it is
[05:36] <|neon|> it is still beta  i am downloading right now 600meg
[05:37] <bqmassey> ok.. new quesion. (im trying to get prepared for all of the things im going to install when 7.10 is released)....    what should I look into to get a mac-style tray
[05:37] <bqmassey> thats clear, and auto-hides, and has bouncy little buttons
[05:39] <AngryElf> so how do I add widgets to the widget layer?
[05:40] <nemik> AngryElf: look up screenlets, add the repository for those, then click them from the 'Other' menu
[05:44] <|neon|> how do i install the screenlet program itself or is it part of compiz?
[05:45] <aaroncampbell> whenever I try to apt-get update, I get a whole bunch of errors that say "Err http://XX.ubuntu.com gutsyYY/main ... Could not connect to XX.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out"
[05:46] <aaroncampbell> Where XX is usually "security" or "us.archive"
[05:47] <aaroncampbell> and YY is sometimes nothing, and sometimes "-security" etc
[05:49] <xet7> When I change from DHCP to static IP, I can't get to internet. How can I fix that?
[05:50] <pwuertz> xet7: when you manually set your ip, you have to enter your gateway and nameserver also.. these are settings provided by dhcp
[05:50] <pwuertz> xet7: why would you want to change that?
[05:51] <xet7> I have some ports open on fixed ip address on my firewall
[05:51] <aaroncampbell> pwuertz: most commonly so that you can forward ports from a router to your system
[05:52] <pwuertz> xet7: configure your dhcp to assign this specific ip to your host by identifying you by MAC adress
[05:52] <aaroncampbell> It's weird, I can access all the addresses that apt-get says it can't just through konqueror... any idea why?
[05:52] <xet7> pwuerz: sure, I'll try that :)
[05:53] <aaroncampbell> pwuertz: you can do that, but it generally easier to set a static IP...I know I usually do
[05:53] <pwuertz> xet7: you can lookup your MAC by using "ifconfig"
[05:53] <pwuertz> aaroncampbell: well.. I prefer the dynamic way.... thats what dhcp is for
[05:54] <aaroncampbell> true, but you're using something "dynamic" to assign something static... so, not REALLY what it's for
[05:54] <pwuertz> aaroncampbell: sure it is... lets say you are using a laptop....
[05:55] <pwuertz> aaroncampbell: and you are using it at HOME1 and HOME2... with properly configured dhcp servers... your laptop doesnt need any manual configuration
[05:55] <pwuertz> you just plug-in the cable... and your system is configured
[05:56] <glenner> anyone else having performance problems in gutsy RC with ATI X1400 and fglrx driver?
[05:56] <glenner> i have lot more flickering compared to feisty..
[05:57] <aaroncampbell> pwuertz: I have my laptop set up with my static, and a fall back to DHCP.
[05:57] <xet7> Ok I got static changed from Ubuntu network config, had to add nameserver to DNS tab lower listwindow. Thanks :)
[05:57] <pwuertz> aaroncampbell: whats a "fallback" in case of a static ip ;) ?
[05:58] <pwuertz> aaroncampbell: you expect a static ip configuration to fail?
[05:58] <aaroncampbell> pwuertz: Also, I think that a lot of lower end routers (linksys etc) don't allow you to assign a DCHP address by linking to a MAC address...not sure on that though
[05:59] <pwuertz> aaroncampbell, xet7: besides.. now you have to manually exclude the ip you just statically configured from your dhcp address range...
[05:59] <aaroncampbell> pwuertz: actually, XP will let you set a second configuration, and if it can't connect to a network when it tries, it will try the other configuration...My laptop is XP
[05:59] <aaroncampbell> pwuertz: I manually assign addresses that are outside the DHCP range
[06:00] <pwuertz> don't know... just saw a few hardware routers having very comfortable web-interfaces
[06:00] <aaroncampbell> I just pulled up one of my linksys routers...it doesn't give you any options like that...
[06:01] <xet7> yeah I have static IP 192.168.0.1 , and if other PC has DHCP it starts from 191.168.0.100, I didn't have to change hardware firewall settings.
[06:01] <pwuertz> maybe its because they also included WLAN... this things normally include more sophisticated options...
[06:01] <pwuertz> these
[06:01] <aaroncampbell> The DHCP section consists of a starting IP, the number of IPs, and the ability to set DNS or WINS servers
[06:02] <aaroncampbell> Anyway, back to my original problem...with a system that is USING DHCP...
[06:02] <aaroncampbell> whenever I try to apt-get update, I get a whole bunch of errors that say "Err http://XX.ubuntu.com gutsyYY/main ... Could not connect to XX.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out"
[06:03] <pwuertz> is 1.0.0.0 an ip address or did you just obscure it?
[06:03] <aaroncampbell> Where XX is usually "security" or "us.archive", and YY is sometimes nothing, and sometimes "-security" etc ...   It's weird, I can access all the addresses that apt-get says it can't just through konqueror... any idea why?
[06:03] <aaroncampbell> pwuertz: that's what it really says
[06:03] <aaroncampbell> 1.0.0.0
[06:03] <pwuertz> ok.. thats definately no valid ip address ;)
[06:03] <pwuertz> something must be wrong with name resolution
[06:03] <aaroncampbell> But I can't figure out why, because I can ping the web address, and I can browse it with kinq
[06:03] <aaroncampbell> konq*
[06:03] <murlidhar> anyone good at compiling applications??????????????/
[06:04] <Pici> murlidhar: somewhat. whats up?
[06:04] <remarK-> if i were to install gutsy right now, what kind of bugs/trouble would i be looking at? (<< not quite a developer)
[06:04] <MasterShrek> trying to install kde4, but i dont have a /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde  anyone use kde4 beta yet?
[06:05] <AngryElf> can I make my panel icons grow like they do in OSX?
[06:05] <pwuertz> aaroncampbell: security.ubuntu.com is one of the sources failing?
[06:05] <Pici> remarK-: read the release notes on the ubuntu.com RC page.
[06:05] <aaroncampbell> yeah
[06:05] <pwuertz> aaroncampbell: lets do a lookup.... "host security.ubuntu.com"
[06:05] <murlidhar> Pici: i have compiled an application based on gtkmm called linkage and when i open the application i can nothing in it except the window border
[06:05] <pwuertz> aaroncampbell: does this resolve to a reasonable ip?
[06:06] <aaroncampbell> it says 91.189.88.37
[06:06] <pwuertz> ok
[06:06] <glenner> remark-: i had problems with X not coming up after upgrade, had to rerun x config (with ATI X1400)
[06:06] <Pici> murlidhar: If it compiled sucessfully, then it sounds like a problem with the source.  If it was missing something it should have failed.
[06:06] <pwuertz> but in apt you see "security.ubuntu.com (1.0.0.0)" ?
[06:06] <aaroncampbell> pwuertz: after the host command, I tried apt-get update again, and I'm not getting that...I've been getting it for hours
[06:06] <murlidhar> Pici: it did give some warning during make install
[06:07] <remarK-> so, in theory, nothing life altering, eh?
[06:07] <pwuertz> aaroncampbell: sounds like a dns caching problem... for some reason your system looked up a wrong ip
[06:07] <glenner> no, the rest was smooth, no problem
[06:08] <remarK-> good. cause i can't wait anymore. i want gutsy now. :P
[06:08] <glenner> i only hope those x problems will be fixed in the final release
[06:08] <pwuertz> aaroncampbell: and "host" caused a refresh of that name
[06:08] <glenner> what i did notice is that the performance in X is not as good as it was in feisty. i see a lot of flickering
[06:09] <AngryElf> whatever happened to the SNOW in compiz?
[06:09] <glenner> no idea if this is caused by the flgrx drivers, the nex XOrg or the new kernel..
[06:09] <remarK-> i'm sorry, but by "X" you mean what exactly? (sorry for being obnoxiously ignorant.)
[06:10] <Pici> murlidhar: Warnings during make install are usually not an issue.  Errors are bad.
[06:10] <glenner> just about anything in the GUI, for example switching windows between takes a long time to redraw the new window
[06:10] <Pici> remarK-: X = Xwindows
[06:10] <remarK-> thank you.
[06:11] <remarK-> hmmm. and that's with ATI?
[06:11] <glenner> i dont know if others have this feeling as wel?
[06:11] <glenner> yup
[06:11] <murlidhar> Pici: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40406/
[06:11] <remarK-> i have nvidia. hopefully it'll be a little smoother?
[06:11] <murlidhar> Pici: i guess if it gives errors then it should not get installed
[06:12] <Pici> murlidhar: hrm.  I'm not sure, sorry.
[06:12] <Pici> murlidhar: right.
[06:12] <Aishiko> remarK-: we were are all new at some point the only truely stupid question is the one you don't ask so you can understand what is going on.
[06:12] <MattyM> anyone know how to fix a blank screen after selecting start install?
[06:12] <glenner> could be that nvidia is beter, im not really sure if it is the ATI driver or somthing else..
[06:12] <remarK-> right.
[06:13] <Pici> glenner: my ATI has been fine in Gutsy
[06:13] <glenner> Pici: which driver are you using?
[06:13] <Pici> glenner: fglrx
[06:13] <wastedfluid> hello... I have a question.  I did the rc upgrade from 7.04, and now my volume keys on my laptop no logner work.  if you volume up, it goes to 11%(no higher), if you volume down, it goes to 0%.. master channel is PCM, but it doesn't work.  If you open Kmix, and change PCM in there.. it DOES work.  Any ideas?
[06:13] <murlidhar> Pici: it install and when i click the mouse in the windows somethings seem working like the application reads my mouse
[06:14] <Pici> murlidhar: Whats the name of the program again?
[06:15] <murlidhar> Pici: linkage it is at google code
[06:19] <Pici> murlidhar: I'm going to try here
[06:19] <murlidhar> Pici: thanks
[06:22] <Seeker`> has the tickless kernel been enabled in gutsy?
[06:25] <TheRepacker> Congrats to the devs, everything seems to be working great
[06:29] <Konam> hi
[06:29] <nemik> new mandriva is so fast compared to gutsy. is gutsy going to get the CFS scheduler? it seems so slow now
[06:29] <Pici> nemik: No.
[06:30] <nemik> :/
[06:30] <Pici> nemik: 23 was realeased far too late for any testing to occur
[06:30] <nemik> there's patches for 22
[06:30] <hydrogen> its still too late
[06:30] <hydrogen> and cfs is mostly a placebo thing
[06:30] <hydrogen> people say its faster so you think its faster
[06:31] <nemik> no i tried it and it was faster
[06:31] <Konam> ubuntu doesn't seem to write the reconfigurations I make to xorg.conf
[06:31] <hydrogen> you thought it was faster.
[06:31] <hydrogen> because people told you so
[06:31] <hydrogen> it really is not
[06:31] <andre_> sup folks
[06:31] <hydrogen> that much
[06:31] <nemik> lol
[06:32] <andre_> I here the release candidate is out?
[06:32] <hydrogen> yes
[06:32] <hydrogen> read the topic.
[06:32] <andre_> If I'm running Beta, will it automatically update?
[06:32] <hydrogen> yes,
[06:32] <Konam> I use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to change my vertrefresh and it doesn't seem to write to xorg.conf
[06:32] <Pici> murlidhar: How did you get that version of libtorrent?
[06:32] <abadtooth> Hey all, I want to install 7.10 off of the desktop CD, but I can only get the x server to start by doing "sudo startx" into the shell. again I want to install it and the option seems to not be there while booting with that command..
[06:32] <CheeseGardener> I'm trying to get drivers for the intel 915 chipset.  Someone gave me a sudo command once to download them.  Do you know what command that might be???
[06:33] <Konam> that's giving me problems with compiz
[06:33] <murlidhar> Pici: http://code.google.com/p/linkage/
[06:34] <murlidhar> Pici: it's in the wiki instructions
[06:34] <murlidhar> Pici: http://code.google.com/p/linkage/wiki/Installation
[06:34] <andre_> If I had 7.10 Beta Installed will it automatically update to RC?
[06:34] <abadtooth> is there a terminal command to install 7.10?
[06:35] <TheRepacker> andre_ yes, keep it updated
[06:35] <Pici> murlidhar: er, I can't test all that from here.
[06:35] <andre_> TheRepacker: sweet :)
[06:35] <andre_> TheRepacker: tx
[06:35] <Pici> murlidhar: sorry.
[06:35] <TheRepacker> it sure is sweet
[06:35] <abadtooth> I can't seem to install it when I boot it as root.
[06:35] <usser> abadtooth did u try to run the live cd in safe graphics mode??
[06:35] <murlidhar> Pici: k no problems
[06:35] <abadtooth> usser: yes
[06:35] <usser> abadtooth what about changing the res manually
[06:36] <usser> abadtooth to something like 800x600
[06:36] <abadtooth> usser:  this is the first time i've gotten any ubuntu live cd to boot..
[06:36] <abadtooth> usser:  yes, I've tried it
[06:36] <usser> abadtooth anyhow instead of startx try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[06:36] <usser> abadtooth or restart
[06:36] <abadtooth> ok
[06:37] <kristjan_> I installed 32bit ubuntu on 64bit hardware with 1GB memory - why didn't gnome system monitor see all 1GB ram, less than 900MB was visible - was it because of integrated graphics card?
[06:37] <Pici> kristjan_: Yes.
[06:37] <usser> kristjan_ probably
[06:37] <andre_> does Compiz Fusion not include the desktop cube?
[06:37] <CheeseGardener> I'm trying to get drivers for the intel 915 chipset.  Someone gave me a sudo command once to download them.  Do you know what command that might be???
[06:37] <usser> andre_ it does its not on by default
[06:37] <jhaig> I'm running the powertop tool, which is suggesting setting HPET in bios (which I cannot - no option) or install a kernel patch.  Is there a simple way to install this patch?  Is there a kernel with it built in?
[06:37] <andre_> usser: how do you turn it on?
[06:38] <TheRepacker> the cube is included, but you have to enable
[06:38] <ReL1K> CheeseGardener: should be installed by default.
[06:38] <andre_> TheRepacker: how do you enable it?
[06:38] <ReL1K> do a lspci |grep VGA
[06:38] <TheRepacker> do you have CCSM
[06:38] <usser> andre_ open up ccsm and enable desktop cube and cube rotate plugins
[06:38] <andre_> usser: ccsm?
[06:38] <CheeseGardener> ReL1K, the driver didn't work though.  It has 2 drop down boxes for video card select.
[06:38] <Pici> usser: CCSM is the only way to do it?
[06:38] <usser> andre_ ccsm is compiz config manager
[06:39] <andre_> usser:  I have to install it
[06:39] <andre_> usser:  installing
[06:39] <usser> Pici i suppose somewhere theres a config that u can edit manually
[06:39] <abadtooth> usser:  the sudo etc/ one doesn't work, it tries to start, but stops
[06:39] <Pici> usser: Okay, thats all I needed to know, thanks.
[06:39] <usser> abadtooth with what error?
[06:39] <CheeseGardener> ReL1K, so he gave me some sudo command, so I could download or use some other driver.   Now I have one drop down box, and the intel experiemental modesetting driver.
[06:40] <TheRepacker> yes and once it is installed you'll get a 4th choice on the apperence  effects tab
[06:40] <usser> abadtooth theres no text install on desktop cd is there?
[06:40] <pestilence> i got a new laptop, and i find that much moreso with this laptop than my old one, when a program is doing heavy I/O to the disk, it becomes very difficult to use the computer.  everything is very slow
[06:40] <abadtooth> no error... it just says Starting GNOME Display Manager...\
[06:40] <Pici> usser:  no, there isnt.
[06:40] <pestilence> at first i suspected it was a DMA issue, but according to hdparm DMA is on.
[06:41] <abadtooth> sudo startx seems to be the only way it works..
[06:41] <usser> abadtooth arrg im not home but u can find out the installation command by looking at the properties of that Install icon, do u have a different pc that can boot livecd
[06:41] <Pici> abadtooth: I'd install using the Alternate disk if you are having that many problems with the liveC
[06:41] <Pici> D
[06:42] <abadtooth> usser:  no install icon when on root :(
[06:42] <abadtooth> Pici:  my internet sucks... can't download it again..
[06:45] <Badpenguin86> Appr. how much do I need to download to upgrade from fiesty next week? In mb?
[06:45] <Pici> usser: How will that help?
[06:45] <Konam> xorg seems to be broken here :)
[06:45] <Konam> :(
[06:46] <abadtooth> lol I was wondering about the smile :P
[06:46] <jhaig> OK, I'll try asking the question (regarding the HPET kernel patch) a different way.  If I decide to install Gutsy, is it fairly straightforward to download the kernel source, apply the HPET patch, and build a new kernel?
[06:46] <usser> Pici well he says he can run X means he can type the name of it in the terminal and launch setup program manually
[06:47] <Pici> usser: I think thats just asking for issues.
[06:47] <kristjan_> wow powertop is nice :-)
[06:47] <usser> Pici why not really
[06:47] <Pici> !kernel | jhaig
[06:47] <ubotu> jhaig: kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild.  Also, see !stages
[06:47] <Konam> I save some configs to xorg.conf but I don't notice any change in -->preferences-->screen resolution
[06:48] <usser> Konam did u restart X after changes
[06:48] <Konam> usser ctrl+alt+backspace, and the changes are saved in xorg.conf but screen resolution doesn't show them
[06:49] <PirateHead> There are some issues with the advanced settings for desktop effects... should I submit a bug for Ubuntu, or should I try to talk to the upstream compiz people?
[06:50] <Pici> PirateHead: Please submit a bug.
[06:50] <abadtooth> I don't believe it guys! I just was tinkering with the setting in safe graphics mode and it booted right up!
[06:50] <abadtooth> Now I'm very happy!
[06:50] <PirateHead> Pici: will do. I've got a lot of bugs to submit. Need to start a proper list. :-)
[06:51] <Konam> usser do you have an idea of why this is happening
[06:52] <abadtooth> any of you guys use Dvorak?
[06:52] <usser> Konam i dunno, gui X setup never worked for me i always ended up deleting all the modes except one i want to run from xorg
[06:53] <usser> abadtooth glad for u
[06:53] <usser> abadtooth im curious can u right click on that icon and tell me the name of that program
[06:54] <abadtooth> usser:  ubiquity --desktop %k gtk_ui
[06:55] <usser> abadtooth nice tnx :0
[06:55] <usser> err :)
[06:55] <abadtooth> usser:  np :D
[06:55] <daSkreech> I can't mount any more in gutsy :-(
[06:55] <abadtooth> this is fun having 3 computers running on all sides of you :P
[06:56] <daSkreech> does mount have a verbose mode?
[06:56] <savvas> daSkreech: yes type: mount
[06:56] <savvas> :P
[06:57] <daSkreech> Yes
[06:57] <daSkreech>  and it's still not mounted
[06:59] <daSkreech> sudo mount /dev/sda1 Folder
[06:59] <daSkreech> No mounting :)
[07:01] <abadtooth> I have a kinda dumb question... Say my friend installs Gutsy beta, will he be able to update it to the full release the usual way?
[07:01] <savvas> daSkreech: type? ntfs?
[07:02] <daSkreech> Yes
[07:02] <savvas> daSkreech: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[07:02] <daSkreech> ah
[07:02] <daSkreech> No ntfs read support out of the box?
[07:02] <savvas> well there is..
[07:03] <savvas> hold a sec
[07:03] <centyx> Hi. Is it OK to upgrade to Gutsy by changing 'feisty' to 'gutsy' in /etc/apt/sources.list and running aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade?
[07:03] <Pici> !away > uga|away (Please see the private messsage from ubotu)
[07:03] <abadtooth> centyx:  Do you use you computer for work?
[07:03] <daSkreech> centyx: Read the upgrade notes
[07:04] <abadtooth> centyx:  I wouldn't use the beta for a working install..
[07:04] <centyx> abadtooth: oh.
[07:04] <savvas> daSkreech: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_Mount_NTFS_Partitions
[07:04] <centyx> abadtooth: oops.
[07:04] <abadtooth> Ubuntu installed and rebooting :D
[07:05] <savvas> daSkreech: that will mount it as read-only. if you want write access, it's better to use ntfs-3g
[07:05] <daSkreech> Nope jsut wanna read something
[07:05] <daSkreech> I used to be able to mount read only
[07:05] <centyx> abadtooth: I was just wondering if aptitude dist-upgrade is any less desirable than update-manager
[07:05] <savvas> you should still be able to do that :)
[07:06] <abadtooth> centyx:  Update-manager works fine for me..
[07:06] <centyx> abadtooth: that's not my question...
[07:06] <centyx> abadtooth: I haven't even tried update-manager, and I'd rather not.
[07:07] <abadtooth> centyx:  don't mind me than I'm a Linux newbie :P
[07:07] <abadtooth> Only been using Linux for about a year now..
[07:08] <centyx> abadtooth: how are you liking it?
[07:08] <abadtooth> centyx:  Love every minute of it :D
[07:08] <annemarie> how to have write access to ntfs in gutsy?
[07:08] <annemarie>  wasn't this standard from installation?
[07:08] <abadtooth> centyx:  Compiz Fuzion is also very nice :P
[07:08] <centyx> speedy marie.
[07:09] <mmkassem> annemarie : write access on NTFS is available my default
[07:09] <centyx> abadtooth: i'm interested in checking out this apparmor jazz
[07:09] <daSkreech> centyx: still not mounting
[07:09] <annemarie> mmkassem: i do not have to install a package?
[07:09] <mmkassem> annemarie: No, it just works
[07:09] <centyx> abadtooth: have fun ;)
[07:10] <annemarie> that is GOOD news!
[07:10] <annemarie> thank you
[07:11] <mmkassem> centyx: the best way to upgrade to Gusty is it to follow: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[07:12] <foxiness> am on beta version ,and using vbox 1.5 OSE, when i installed it am on other version what am on it now ,and seems that  sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup not work and point me to log file? any tips?
[07:14] <Moduliz0r> what's a good (and quick) PC emulator?
[07:15] <mmkassem> foxiness: This tutorial worked for me http://phorolinux.com/installing-virtualbox-ose-on-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon.html
[07:15] <foxiness> Moduliz0r: vbox
[07:15] <Moduliz0r> ok
[07:15] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  you mean windos?
[07:15] <Moduliz0r> I want to run XP under a virtual machine
[07:15] <Moduliz0r> for games such as Halo
[07:15] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  VMware
[07:15] <Moduliz0r> what's vbox like?
[07:15] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  halo will run under wine
[07:15] <Moduliz0r> no it won't
[07:15] <UbuntuGuy> I've got desktop effects enabled on gutsy,  How do I get to the fancy stuff (like in compiz-beryl) for cube, wobbly windows etc?
[07:16] <Moduliz0r> i'll give halo another try now then...
[07:16] <abadtooth> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=2720
[07:16] <Moduliz0r> hmm
[07:16] <Moduliz0r> ok then
[07:17] <foxiness> mmkassem: thanks
[07:17] <Moduliz0r> i can't seem to get a very good framerate with wine though
[07:17] <abadtooth> VMware, or emulation will be way worse
[07:17] <Moduliz0r> yeah maybe
[07:17] <Moduliz0r> I get about 30fps max on HL2 Garrys Mod
[07:18] <Moduliz0r> it usually stays at about 14~
[07:18] <Moduliz0r> sometimes 10 when I'm unlucky
[07:18] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  what are your systems specs?
[07:18] <Moduliz0r> Core 2 Duo 2.40GHz
[07:18] <Moduliz0r> nVidia GeForce 8600 GT
[07:18] <Moduliz0r> 256 (PCI-E)
[07:18] <Moduliz0r> 1GB of 800MHz DDR2 Crucial (Ballistix) RAM
[07:18] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  that should have more FPS than that..
[07:18] <Moduliz0r> You'd expect, wouldn't you.
[07:19] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  you do have Nvidia drivers?
[07:19] <Moduliz0r> yes
[07:19] <Moduliz0r> They were the very first thing I installed from the Internet
[07:19] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  yeah, did you follow that guide to installing halo?
[07:19] <Moduliz0r> no i'm just trying it now
[07:20] <Moduliz0r> the installer seems happy
[07:20] <daSkreech> !ntfs
[07:20] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:20] <Moduliz0r> Compiz effects make windows apps look so much better
[07:20] <gesker> Is there an ETA on the sun-java6-plugin package? It appears to be missing.
[07:20] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  I know all the game I got working with wine run at least as good as in windwos
[07:20] <Moduliz0r> hmm
[07:21] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  lol yeah :D
[07:21] <Moduliz0r> I used to get 120+fps in Windows :(
[07:21] <Moduliz0r> and now it's ~29 without any props spawned
[07:21] <Moduliz0r> with anti aliasing off
[07:21] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  yeah something isn't set up right as far as I can tell..
[07:21] <Moduliz0r> i'm reinstalling as soon as the final release is out anyway
[07:22] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  not going to just upgrade?
[07:22] <Moduliz0r> nah I like a fresh install
[07:22] <Moduliz0r> I guess I'm still used to being in Windows
[07:22] <Moduliz0r> Is there any way I can turn vsync on in Ubuntu?
[07:22] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  well this isn't windwos :P
[07:23] <Moduliz0r> I'll be back... (Trying Halo)
[07:23] <abadtooth> BRB gotta swap out an internet connection...
[07:23] <abadtooth> back :P
[07:23] <Moduliz0r> hi
[07:24] <Moduliz0r> couldn't get Halo to start
[07:24] <Moduliz0r> click the icon and nothing happens
[07:24] <abadtooth> thats sweet.. pulled the etho and plugged new one in so quick it didn't even stop playing pandora :P
[07:24] <abadtooth> hmm
[07:24] <Moduliz0r> oh wait
[07:24] <Moduliz0r> ill be back
[07:24] <abadtooth> try opening it from the terminal
[07:25] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  wine halo.exe
[07:25] <murlidhar> when i sudo apt-get install libboost-regex1.33.1 it says  Package libboost-regex1.33.1 has no installation candidate
[07:25] <murlidhar> what might be the reason
[07:25] <daSkreech> can't mount a ntfs drive in gutsy
[07:26] <savvas> south africa has its own english dialect? didn't know
[07:26] <savvas> (just installed myspell-en-za for language-support-en update lol)
[07:26] <daSkreech> not surprised
[07:27] <bqmassey> i'm running the Live CD.. and it's really slow..   how much disk space is required to install it
[07:27] <Moduliz0r> bloody hell
[07:27] <daSkreech> RC build
[07:27] <Moduliz0r> why do half the internet use .RAR?
[07:27] <Moduliz0r> it sucks
[07:27] <Moduliz0r> and now I cant extract it
[07:27] <nanonyme> unrar?
[07:27] <daSkreech> !rar
[07:27] <Moduliz0r> "Archive type not supported"
[07:27] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[07:27] <Moduliz0r> i dont want to go and install a load of crap to unrar
[07:27] <savvas> Moduliz0r: sudo apt-get install unrar
[07:27] <Moduliz0r> bzip2 is better
[07:27] <Moduliz0r> I don't want to have to install it
[07:27] <nanonyme> relative
[07:28] <savvas> 7zip is better, but not so known
[07:28] <Moduliz0r> i like 7zip
[07:28] <jhaig> sudo apt-get install unrar; unrar file.rar; sudo apt-get uninstall unrar
[07:28] <bqmassey> anyone know how much disk space is required to install from the live cd?
[07:28] <bqmassey> 7.10-RC
[07:28] <nanonyme> bzip2 tarball has the problem that you have to uncompress the whole thing to get one file
[07:28] <nanonyme> whereas you can get a single file from rar
[07:29] <nanonyme> so it has its uses
[07:29] <foxiness> bqmassey: more then 2GB will be nice
[07:29] <bqmassey> would 6 gigs do it?
[07:29] <foxiness> sure
[07:29] <bqmassey> i'm only planning on installing it for a few days
[07:30] <foxiness> go ahead
[07:30] <foxiness> :)
[07:30] <bqmassey> what partition utilities are available from the Live CD? I need to resize the NTFS partition down and add linux partitions
[07:30] <daSkreech> I can't mount a partition
[07:30] <abadtooth> What is everyone opinions on envy? does it work very well?
[07:30] <daSkreech> bqmassey: parted gparted and qtparted
[07:30] <daSkreech> !envy
[07:30] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[07:30] <pwuertz> bqmassey: the live cd features ntfs resizing
[07:31] <Moduliz0r> Halo is running
[07:31] <Moduliz0r> but it's not doing anything
[07:31] <Moduliz0r> it's made my resolution crap
[07:31] <bqmassey> pwuertz: non-destructive?
[07:31] <Moduliz0r> and thats it
[07:31] <Moduliz0r> it's also eating my computer
[07:31] <pwuertz> bqmassey: indeed
[07:31] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r: hmm
[07:31] <bqmassey> yay
[07:31] <bqmassey> what's the best way to go about it? .. any gui?
[07:31] <foxiness> bqmassey: can u do that in windows ? if yes do it there not i think "coz am move from version to another" that it has tool to do that for u
[07:32] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  do you have a windows install you could rip the files from?
[07:32] <Moduliz0r> I do.
[07:32] <Moduliz0r> but
[07:32] <Moduliz0r> its XP x64
[07:32] <Moduliz0r> so no
[07:32] <pwuertz> bqmassey: xp will normally run scandisk when booting next time.. but I never had any problems with the ntfs resizer
[07:32] <bqmassey> pwuertz: how do i access it?
[07:32] <bqmassey> foxiness: not that i know of.. without an illegal copy of PartitionMagic
[07:32] <Moduliz0r> Thats a flaw in wine-run programs... they dont put the screen resolutuion back :(
[07:33] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  maybe get cedega
[07:33] <Moduliz0r> Cedega phailed even worse
[07:33] <foxiness> bqmassey: what ever :) its more safe "from real life"
[07:33] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  yeah..
[07:33] <Moduliz0r> cedega couldn't even make steam run
[07:33] <pwuertz> bqmassey: its an option in the normal installing routine... you can install ubuntu by resizing an existing ntfs partition..  it will use the new space as root partition
[07:33] <bqmassey> oh .. ok!..
[07:33] <Moduliz0r> ...i just changed my resolution back and saw a halo logo flicker :|
[07:34] <bqmassey> i have like $5,000-$15,000 worth of data for my company on this machine.. maybe i should back up first
[07:34] <pwuertz> bqmassey: its the default install option when there is a windows partition taking the whole hard drive
[07:34] <pwuertz> bqmassey: definately
[07:34] <bqmassey> ah screw it..  ubuntu will take care of me
[07:34] <bqmassey> :D
[07:34] <pwuertz> bqmassey: but you should do that anyways ^^
[07:34] <abadtooth> bqmassey:  might be a good idea..
[07:34] <daSkreech> how can I check that ntfs is loaded
[07:34] <bqmassey> going to go install now...  thanks guys :D
[07:36] <daSkreech> 9
[07:36] <daSkreech> Grrr
[07:37] <daSkreech> 0.o
[07:37] <daSkreech> Why would mounting break?
[07:38] <UbuntuGuy> I've got desktop effects enabled on gutsy,  How do I get to the fancy stuff (like in compiz-beryl) for cube, wobbly windows etc?
[07:39] <murlidhar> hi savvas i downloaded the whole iso just by renaming the jiggo iso.temp to temp
[07:39] <foxiness> UbuntuGuy: i think its the old way "Beryl manager"
[07:39] <murlidhar> savvas: it took an hour to download the iso
[07:40] <Moduliz0r> Under Cedega, Halo starts but quits with a Direct3D error
[07:41] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  have you tried to open it in the terminal?
[07:41] <ryancr_> with the latest updates, I am getting this when trying to boot: udev-event: run program '/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit
[07:41] <ryancr_> I have to use the -12 kernel to be able to boot up
[07:42] <ryancr_> any ideas?
[07:43] <Moduliz0r> abadtooth: I can give you the output if you like
[07:43] <merc`> what do i have to get to have more compiz options/control ?
[07:43] <merc`> the 3 options in the appearance tab aren't doing it for me ;)
[07:43] <Ximal> hey all ..
[07:44] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  okay
[07:44] <Moduliz0r> !pastebin
[07:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:46] <Moduliz0r> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40413/
[07:46] <foxiness> ryanakca: try to search about this on (google,launchpad,ubuntu forum)
[07:48] <UbuntuGuy> foxiness: I'm looking for it.  Doesn't seem to be installeld and aptitude search beryl comes up empty
[07:49] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  you did get those Dll's right?
[07:50] <Moduliz0r> which ones?
[07:50] <Ximal> i need help guys .. I seem to have found a bug with the sound card and sound rendering
[07:50] <Moduliz0r> i got the one it said on WineHQ
[07:50] <Ximal> Everytime I close a program and the sound stops.. It doesn't let me have sound in any other program..
[07:50] <abadtooth> try this guid
[07:50] <Ximal> I can't have sounds in multiple programs either.. it locks the sound to the last used program.. and when i close it i loose sound till reboot
[07:50] <abadtooth> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=486986
[07:51] <Moduliz0r> ok
[07:51] <Ximal> is anyone able to help ? i'm not wanting to bug or troll.. i just need to know if there is a fix for it
[07:52] <foxiness_> UbuntuGuy: u may need something like that on source list "deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ feisty main/" ,just to know i do not enable this yet "not tested"
[07:52] <foxiness_> UbuntuGuy: try to replace feisty with new one :)
[07:52] <ryancr_> foxiness: i have but haven't been able to find anything related to gutsy
[07:53] <Ximal> if you wanna get it running
[07:53] <Ximal> go to ktorrent .. or some other torrent prog..
[07:53] <Ximal> download virtual machine by vmware.com
[07:53] <Ximal> and then get yourself a key .. if by any means.. legal at best..
[07:53] <Ximal> but download it for linux..
[07:54] <Ximal> then setup windows 98 or millenium for * hard drive space and rendering issues *
[07:54] <Ximal> and the virtual machine will allow you to run windows as a shell
[07:54] <murlidhar> emet: Package libboost-regex1.33.1 has no installation candidate is the error how do i solve it
[07:54] <Ximal> and you can install any windows pendent progs u need to bro..
[07:54] <Moduliz0r> i've got the halo splash screen
[07:55] <Moduliz0r> it's killing my system and doesn't seem to be progressing
[07:55] <Moduliz0r> appears to have just crashed too
[07:56] <murlidhar> !info libboost-regex1.33.1
[07:56] <ubotu> Package libboost-regex1.33.1 does not exist in gutsy
[07:56] <nanonyme> !info libboost-regex
[07:56] <ubotu> Package libboost-regex does not exist in gutsy
[07:56] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  what version of wine do you have?
[07:56] <murlidhar> !info libboost
[07:56] <ubotu> Package libboost does not exist in gutsy
[07:56] <murlidhar> grr
[07:56] <Moduliz0r> the latest
[07:57] <riotkittie> hee
[07:57] <nanonyme> murlidhar, how about using ubuntu packages list to actually search for it?
[07:57] <Moduliz0r> ii'm trying it virtual desktoped now
[07:57] <Moduliz0r> not much of a difference
[07:57] <murlidhar> can somebody help me i am getting a error installing libboost it says E: Package libboost-regex1.33.1 has no installation candidate
[07:57] <murlidhar> nanonyme: ^
[07:57] <nanonyme> murlidhar, means it doesn't exist? :P
[07:57] <Moduliz0r> i think it just crashed
[07:58] <Moduliz0r> Yes, it did.
[07:58] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  doesn't make much sense to me.. now I'm gunna have to dig up my halo cd and try it :P
[07:58] <murlidhar> nanonyme: i am not sure
[07:58] <nanonyme> murlidhar, "has no installation candidate" is pretty self-explanative
[07:58] <Moduliz0r> haha
[07:58] <Moduliz0r> aah i cant get a terminal up or the run app window to kill it
[07:59] <Moduliz0r> its lagging too bad or something
[07:59] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  that was on of the first pc fps games I played :P
[07:59] <Moduliz0r> i love Halo :'(
[07:59] <murlidhar> nanonyme: This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:59] <murlidhar> is only available from another source
[07:59] <Moduliz0r> my gnome menu seems to have frozen
[07:59] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  uh oh..
[08:00] <nanonyme> murlidhar, it doesn't exist
[08:00] <nanonyme> that's the main point
[08:00] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  I just got compiz working on my old dell :D
[08:00] <Moduliz0r> haha
[08:00] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  first time I've ever had 3D effects on it :D
[08:00] <Moduliz0r> i think this computer is in need of an X server restart
[08:01] <abadtooth> mod okay
[08:01] <abadtooth> mod ctrl+alt+backspace :P
[08:01] <murlidhar> nanonyme: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40412/ see the line 17 & 18
[08:01] <Moduliz0r> Hello again!
[08:02] <nanonyme> !info libboost-regex1.34.1
[08:02] <ubotu> libboost-regex1.34.1: regular expression library for C++. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.34.1-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 537 kB, installed size 1420 kB
[08:02] <Moduliz0r> Ima gonna have to cry about Halo
[08:02] <nanonyme> murlidhar, seriously, learn to use tools
[08:02] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  lol
[08:02] <nanonyme> i found that as soon as i bothered opening my firefox
[08:03] <murlidhar> nanonyme: err thanks :P
[08:04] <wastedfluid> hello... I have a question.  I did the rc upgrade from 7.04, and now my volume keys on my laptop no logner work.  if you volume up, it goes to 11%(no higher), if you volume down, it goes to 0%.. master channel is PCM, but it doesn't work.  If you open Kmix, and change PCM in there.. it DOES work.  Any ideas?
[08:06] <addos> does anyone see lame in the apt repository?
[08:08] <murlidhar> can anybody explain my problem ?   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40415/
[08:08] <murlidhar> nanonyme: please have a look^
[08:08] <nanonyme> egh
[08:08] <daSkreech> !info lame
[08:08] <daSkreech> !info lame gutsy
[08:09] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.97-0.0 (gutsy), package size 268 kB, installed size 728 kB
[08:09] <nanonyme> you didn't say you were software-developing
[08:09] <nanonyme> murlidhar, libboost-regex-dev
[08:09] <nanonyme> see if you have that installed
[08:09] <murlidhar> nanonyme: should i install this ?
[08:09] <nanonyme> indeed
[08:09] <nanonyme> you cannot compile against libboost-regex without it
[08:10] <murlidhar> nanonyme: says already the newest version
[08:10] <nanonyme> hmm
[08:10] <nanonyme> have you checked which versions libtorrent wants?
[08:11] <nanonyme> there might be problems with some particular versions
[08:11] <nanonyme> and you might have to install libboost-regex from sources if there are
[08:11] <murlidhar> nanonyme: well 1.33.1
[08:12] <addos> thanks for the info about multiverse
[08:12] <addos> :)
[08:12] <abadtooth> who likes 7.10?
[08:12] <Moduliz0r> mE!1
[08:13] <addos> I do, other than a bug I found and posted
[08:13] <Moduliz0r> which was that
[08:13] <addos> can't install flashplugin-nonfree on firefox
[08:13] <Moduliz0r> I could
[08:13] <addos> I couldn't, at least not on live cd
[08:13] <ryancr_> ok got the -14 kernel to boot (bad secondary drive) but now I get this: but now the nvidia module doesnt' load
[08:13] <abadtooth> I'm loving it because I was just now able to get 3D effects on my old dell deimension 3000
[08:13] <Moduliz0r> oh
[08:13] <Moduliz0r> ok
[08:13] <addos> I could do ed effects with feisty too
[08:13] <murlidhar> nanonyme: strange feisty wanted libnotify 0.4.4 and now gutsy wants libboost-regex1.34.1
[08:13] <addos> 3d
[08:13] <ryancr_> trying: modprobe nvidia gives me: FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[08:14] <murlidhar> nanonyme: now i have to wait for hardy heron
[08:14] <abadtooth> I couldn't get ubuntu to install on any of the older versions
[08:14] <murlidhar> wth
[08:14] <cellofellow> the Gnome desktop manager seems to have crashed. I have nothing but a black desktop, and the Compiz cube has no sides, just the caps.
[08:14] <cellofellow> How do I turn on the GNOME desktop thingy?
[08:15] <daSkreech> Little help with mounting a drive
[08:15] <cellofellow> it's based on nautilus, is it not?
[08:15] <nanonyme> murlidhar, can't do debugging atm, i think i'm getting a flu
[08:15] <Moduliz0r> cellofellow: have you tried restarting the X server?
[08:15] <abadtooth> wowowowowow It's only using 170MB of ram with all those 3D effects!!
[08:15] <nanonyme> you'll have to solve the stuff yourself
[08:15] <cellofellow> Moduliz0r: yuo
[08:15] <cellofellow> yup
[08:15] <Moduliz0r> i dont know then :|
[08:15] <murlidhar> nanonyme: thnks for helping me out anyways get well soon
[08:17] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  oh by the way I got americas army 2.8.1 working with wine, just no PB..
[08:17] <Moduliz0r> PB?
[08:17] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  it ran very smooth..
[08:17] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  punk buster
[08:17] <Moduliz0r> oh
[08:17] <Moduliz0r> ok
[08:18] <abadtooth> what I did was copy every dll from my windwos install over to wine, as well as a couple tweeks in winecfg
[08:18] <Moduliz0r> noob question - does ubuntu support the 1440 x 900 at 60Hz resolution?
[08:18] <savvas> wine?
[08:19] <abadtooth> !wine
[08:19] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[08:19] <savvas> lol
[08:19] <murlidhar> can anybody solve my problem???  here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40415/
[08:19] <savvas> didn't america's army have a native linux installer?
[08:19] <abadtooth> back in 2.5
[08:19] <abadtooth> now it's 2.8..
[08:19] <savvas> microsoft paid  them off eh?
[08:19] <murlidhar> hi savvas
[08:19] <abadtooth> I bet..
[08:19] <savvas> hi murlidhar
[08:19] <savvas> hi Ximal .. and the rest :P
[08:20] <cellofellow> there we go. just `nautilus` got the desktop back. Must have crashed.
[08:20] <cellofellow> brb
[08:20] <murlidhar> i just renamed the jigdo iso.temp to .iso and then used the rsync and the whole iso download in under a hour
[08:21] <murlidhar> savvas: ^
[08:21] <savvas> nice
[08:21] <murlidhar> :)
[08:21] <savvas> glad to hear that
[08:21] <murlidhar> and i am loving this RC
[08:21] <xet7> What is the equivalent of /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit in Ubuntu? I need to add kernel mods to mount eSATA drive I have (Silicon Image Sil3132).
[08:21] <daSkreech> savvas: No
[08:21] <addos> the RC is much better than the beta
[08:21] <addos> :)
[08:21] <savvas> daSkreech: ?
[08:22] <daSkreech> savvas: Microsoft didn't pay them off
[08:22] <savvas> ah haha
[08:22] <daSkreech>  the guy who does the linux port stopped being paid to do it
[08:22] <Pici> !upstart | xet7
[08:22] <ubotu> xet7: Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[08:22] <savvas> that was a "thinking out loud" :p
[08:22] <daSkreech>  he kept doing it for 5 months I think unpaid
[08:22] <remarK-> I just installed the RC of gutsy, but programs seem to have some trouble opening. I tried to open up gdesklets (for the simple dock i had) to test out and it wouldn't go.
[08:22] <daSkreech> then he stopped. He blogged about it
[08:22] <savvas> hum.
[08:22] <remarK-> terminal also seems to not show up.
[08:22] <savvas> nice
[08:22] <abadtooth> that guy has my respect!
[08:23] <savvas> why don't we port it to launchpad? hehehe
[08:23] <abadtooth> at least he made up to 2.5...
[08:23] <daSkreech> So if you could make a slush fund you'd probably get it back in a few months
[08:23] <xet7> Pici: thanks :)
[08:23] <daSkreech> Yeah the release of that oone is where he blogged
[08:23] <savvas> daSkreech: nobody pays me to help out here :p
[08:23] <daSkreech> savvas: not Open source :)
[08:23] <murlidhar> savvas: could u have a look at this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40415/
[08:23] <savvas> looking
[08:23] <Moduliz0r> i never understood upstart
[08:23] <Moduliz0r> time to take another read
[08:23] <daSkreech> savvas: and you have all right to quit without explanation
[08:24] <savvas> yep
[08:24] <daSkreech> I don't know I ever will :(
[08:24] <savvas> daSkreech: so did he, he wasn't getting paid ;p
[08:24] <daSkreech> savvas: he quit more for time reasons
[08:24] <daSkreech> but I'm figuring if you could compensate for his time he would do it again
[08:24] <abadtooth> At least ET:QW qill be put soon!
[08:24] <abadtooth> will*
[08:25] <Moduliz0r> how do I use Upstart to make a program (a daemon) autostart with Ubuntu?
[08:25] <abadtooth> will be out*
[08:25] <abadtooth> lol
[08:25] <remarK-> anyone know why terminal isn't opening for me in gutsy RC?
[08:25] <savvas> it's closed source, isn't it?
[08:25] <abadtooth> Who has or will get ET:QW when the Linux client?
[08:25] <daSkreech> lp ?
[08:25] <savvas> murlidhar: why are you trying to make libtorrent?
[08:25] <daSkreech> savvas: What is ?
[08:26] <savvas> daSkreech: et quake wars
[08:26] <abadtooth> savvas:  yeah
[08:26] <savvas> I'm not into games anymore, not so much time I'm afraid :\
[08:26] <murlidhar> savvas: it requires to be compiled in order to compile a torrent client called linkage
[08:27] <daSkreech> savvas: yeah I think so
[08:27] <Moduliz0r> how do i make a daemon auto-start with ubuntu
[08:27] <savvas> murlidhar: you have a lot of torrent clients: Transmission Deluge-torrent Rtorrent ...
[08:27] <kristjan_> Where does "options usbcore autosuspend=1" go? tried "/etc/modprobe.d/options", but options did not apply...
[08:27] <daSkreech> ktorrent :)
[08:27] <savvas> murlidhar: www.deluge-torrent.org
[08:27] <murlidhar> savvas: i know :_)
[08:27] <jc-denton> hi all
[08:27] <Moduliz0r> hi
[08:27] <abadtooth> hello
[08:27] <jc-denton> how can i change the screen resolution in gutsy manually
[08:27] <wastedfluid> hello... I have a question.  I did the rc upgrade from 7.04, and now my volume keys on my laptop no logner work.  if you volume up, it goes to 11%(no higher), if you volume down, it goes to 0%.. master channel is PCM, but it doesn't work.  If you open Kmix, and change PCM in there.. it DOES work.  Any ideas?
[08:27] <Moduliz0r> can anyone tell me how I make a daemon auto-start?
[08:27] <jc-denton> since xorg.conf is ignored?
[08:27] <savvas> murlidhar: then why are you buzzing your head with something that can be replaced in 3 seconds?
[08:27] <murlidhar> deluge is starting to become a great client
[08:27] <jc-denton> it does not recognize the resolution of my screen
[08:28] <murlidhar> savvas: just experience in compiliing
[08:28] <murlidhar> savvas: i saw that application in fedora and it kicks
[08:28] <savvas> murlidhar: man make :P
[08:29] <daSkreech> man woman
[08:29] <savvas> lol
[08:29] <savvas> I'm not a fan of compiling
[08:29] <savvas> unless it's my code while I'm learning c/c++ :p
[08:29] <murlidhar> how to exit a man???
[08:29] <remarK-> when i try and launch a terminal, a quick flicker (of what i guess is what the terminal is trying to launch) and nothing happens. Thoughts?
[08:29] <abadtooth> jc-denton:  you can't adjust it in system/prefs/screen resolution?
[08:29] <savvas> murlidhar: q
[08:29] <jc-denton> no
[08:29] <jc-denton> with gconf?
[08:29] <jc-denton> well with the gui tool
[08:30] <FOAD> Ok, what are all these "the generated cache was invalid" lines I keep getting while upgrading?
[08:30] <jc-denton> there is just one resolution
[08:30] <abadtooth> jc-denton:  do you have your video card drivers?
[08:30] <jc-denton> and this is not the optimal resolution
[08:30] <jc-denton> no
[08:30] <jc-denton> it's a radeon 2600
[08:30] <jc-denton> not recognized by the restricted driver manager
[08:30] <abadtooth> there is envy, but thats not too good..
[08:30] <murlidhar> savvas: the torrent client is based on C++
[08:30] <abadtooth> go to ati's site and find your driver I guess
[08:31] <jc-denton> well i don't need 3d for now
[08:31] <remarK-> software sources will not launch either (upon system -> software sources)
[08:31] <jc-denton> but the correct resolution
[08:31] <murlidhar> savvas: http://code.google.com/p/linkage/
[08:32] <abadtooth> jc-denton:  yes, but at least with nvidia it has it's own setting manager with you can set most any reso..
[08:32] <jc-denton> well nvidia is different
[08:32] <jc-denton> and how can i install fglrx manually?
[08:33] <Moduliz0r> lets see how low my framerate will be in Garry's mod then...
[08:33] <abadtooth> with the terminal?
[08:33] <Moduliz0r> 44.
[08:34] <abadtooth> jc-denton:  I've never used a ATI card so sorry if I'm not much of a help..
[08:34] <Moduliz0r> anyone know why my framerate is so low?
[08:34] <abadtooth> jc-denton:  just remember Google.com is you friend ;)
[08:35] <abadtooth> Moduliz0r:  you know I don't :P
[08:35] <kadakas> Has anyone gotten a CDMA modem working with Ubuntu? How?
[08:35] <sinX_> Anyone know how to mount .bin & .cue's, I can't seem to find a linux app that will do it?
[08:36] <jc-denton> yeah that's what i do
[08:36] <jc-denton> but still
[08:36] <jc-denton> there has to be a way
[08:36] <jc-denton> just did not find it
[08:36] <abadtooth> jc-denton:  yeah..
[08:36] <abadtooth> jc-denton:  are you using 7.10?
[08:36] <jc-denton> does anybody know which cpus are supported by the open source radeon driver?
[08:36] <jc-denton> what 7.10?
[08:36] <jc-denton> u mean gutsy?
[08:37] <remarK-> anyone anyone out there know why i can't open up a terminal or the software sources windows?
[08:37] <remarK-> they just flicker on my desktop then nothing.
[08:37] <abadtooth> jc-denton:  hmm you might find someone who knows something about ati cards in the #ubuntu channle
[08:38] <abadtooth> jc-denton:  there are like 1200 people in that channel..
[08:38] <sanotehu> I'm on Kubuntu Gutsy. Twice now, I've closed the lid of my laptop, my session has been locked, and I've tried to unlock it only to find that the field where I'm supposed to enter my password isn't accepting any input. This isn't happening consistently and I can't figure out anything I'm doing that might be causing it.
[08:38] <abadtooth> be back in a bit guys... gotta go eat
[08:39] <jc-denton> yes..
[08:39] <jc-denton> anyway
[08:39] <Moduliz0r> my mouse keeps escaping my game window and then wine is holding keys down so I carry on moving :|
[08:39] <jc-denton> i must be able to configure x manually
[08:39] <jc-denton> also if xorg.conf is ignored
[08:40] <jc-denton> ok then
[08:40] <jc-denton> i see that i need to work on windows for now
[08:41] <soulfreshner> i have a problem when specifying vga=<anything> in the boot options
[08:41] <soulfreshner> since upgrading to gutsy, my text consoles don't work in any other resolution than the default
[08:42] <jc-denton> hrmm
[08:42] <jc-denton> is there a gutsy mailing list?
[08:43] <remarK-> i got a x window system error when trying to launch gnome-terminal from xterm. any suggestions?
[08:43] <remarK-> I can give the xterm info if needed.
[08:44] <jc-denton> hrmm
[08:44] <jc-denton> i'll write a mail to the list
[08:44] <daSkreech> Little help with mounting a drive?
[08:44] <remarK-> possibly wrong drivers, do i need to install new drivers? any info appreciated.
[08:45] <savvas> daSkreech: ubuntuguide didn't help?
[08:45] <daSkreech> savvas: no it won't mount
[08:45] <savvas> daSkreech: errors?
[08:45] <abadtooth> jc-denton: you should post your problem on the ubuntu forums
[08:45] <therion_> hi all, someone can help me to fix this problem http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7150/mohaabug1xp5.png ?
[08:46] <abadtooth> the what bug?
[08:46] <savvas> therion_: ..? what's wrong with that?
[08:46] <therion_> black textures.. :(
[08:46] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: what is the issue you are having?
[08:47] <therion_> in all games quake3 engine based
[08:47] <gnomefreak> therion_: turn compiz off
[08:47] <savvas> I see them brown here
[08:47] <savvas> hey g!
[08:47] <therion_> my compiz it's off when i play games
[08:47] <gnomefreak> black textures/screen/lines normally video card low on memory
[08:47] <gnomefreak> hi savvas
[08:48] <savvas> oh well.. anyway, I'm out
[08:48] <therion_> yes, i've an ati radeon 9100 igp with the last mesa drivers
[08:48] <jc-denton> gnomefreak: i can't change the resolution\
[08:48] <jc-denton> since xorg.conf is ignored
[08:48] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: why is it ignored?
[08:48] <jc-denton> and the gui thing gives me only one possible resolution
[08:49] <jc-denton> gnomefreak: i'
[08:49] <jc-denton> err
[08:49] <jc-denton> i'm on gusty
[08:49] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: the xorg.conf is never ignored
[08:49] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: you have the wrong idea about bulletproofX
[08:49] <therion_> anyway what i can do?
[08:49] <jc-denton> sure
[08:49] <gnomefreak> !fixres | jc-denton
[08:49] <ubotu> jc-denton: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:49] <jc-denton> but i read and it says it's not being used
[08:50] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: it is being used, just that there are other ways to edit it without opening it
[08:50] <gnomefreak> example displayconfig-gtk
[08:50] <Moduliz0r> how can I stop my mouse escaping DirectX programs (under Wine)
[08:51] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: look up your monitor specs and video card specs and add the screen res' to your xorg.conf
[08:51] <gnomefreak> Moduliz0r: you might want to try #wine for that
[08:51] <wastedfluid> hello... I have a question.  I did the rc upgrade from 7.04, and now my volume keys on my laptop no logner work.  if you volume up, it goes to 11%(no higher), if you volume down, it goes to 0%.. master channel is PCM, but it doesn't work.  If you open Kmix, and change PCM in there.. it DOES work.  Any ideas?
[08:51] <jc-denton> humm
[08:51] <jc-denton> i did
[08:51] <gnomefreak> wastedfluid: right click volume-control in upper right and open prefferences see what you pc speaker is set to
[08:52] <jc-denton>              Modes           "1680 x 1050" "(pitch" "1400)"
[08:52] <jc-denton> om the Display section
[08:52] <wastedfluid> gnomefreak: I use KMIx(kubuntu) - there is no preferences.
[08:52] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: is compiz on? what card and drivers are you using and did you restart X
[08:53] <gnomefreak> wastedfluid: kmix should have  setting dialog maybe running kmix?
[08:53] <jc-denton> compiz with vesa?
[08:53] <jc-denton> no of course not
[08:53] <wastedfluid> the "master" volume is set to PCM if that's what you mean.
[08:53] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: why are you using vesa?
[08:54] <wastedfluid> gnomefreak: master is set to PCM if that's what you mean.  If you use the manual sliders, you can change the volume.  Alsamixer always works.. I think it's a keyboard shortcut that's messing up.
[08:54] <jc-denton> gnomefreak: hrmm
[08:54] <jc-denton> because i have an ati radeon 2600
[08:54] <gnomefreak> wastedfluid: it may be i remember someone else having this issue yesterday
[08:54] <jc-denton> which does not seem to be supported by the open source radeon driver and neither recognize by the restricted driver manager
[08:55] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: so there are drivers for it in ubuntu
[08:55] <jc-denton> gnomefreak: if it would be recognized it would work w/o any problem
[08:55] <therion_> gnomefreak: my problem (black textures) it's fixable if i try to overclock my radeon 9100?
[08:55] <jc-denton> gnomefreak: which?
[08:55] <remarK-> getting BadMatch error when launching gnome-terminal. Need some help.
[08:55] <wastedfluid> gnomefreak: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Installing_Ubuntu_7.10_(Gutsy_Gibbon)_Beta_on_a_ThinkPad_T61#Volume.2FSound_Buttons this guy had the issue.  but his patch wouldn't work for me.
[08:55] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: what did r-m tell you?
[08:56] <jc-denton> if finds nothing
[08:56] <jc-denton> "Your hardware does not need any restricted drivers."
[08:56] <gnomefreak> i could swear the drivers in repos works for that card
[08:57] <jc-denton> which repos/
[08:57] <jc-denton> ?
[08:57] <jc-denton> then tell me how to enable it
[08:57] <jc-denton> but the radeon 2600 is pretty new
[08:57] <jc-denton> so i wasn't surprised
[08:57] <jc-denton> the only thing that annoys me is that i'm no able to set the correct resolutino
[08:57] <jc-denton> s/resolutino/resultion
[08:58] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: start with the guide i gave you while im loooking this up
[08:59] <kadakas> so no CDMA modem experience here ?
[08:59] <jc-denton> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BulletProofX
[09:00] <jc-denton> In this mode, the current xorg.conf will be ignored; instead a VESA 800x600/256 configuration will be used. In some (rare) cases, hardware may not support VESA, in which case a VGA 640x480/16 mode will be the fallback, or framebuffer if that won't work either. These cases will be tracked by means of a blacklist file.
[09:00] <jc-denton> sry for the spam
[09:00] <jc-denton> but i had to post it
[09:00] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: that is because bulletproofX is running your Xserver
[09:00] <remarK-> anyone out there that can help with the gnome-terminal not launching problem?
[09:01] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: notice "in this mode"
[09:01] <jc-denton> yes
[09:01] <jc-denton> how can i do anything against that?
[09:01] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: what is the name of the drivers you tried?
[09:01] <jc-denton> nothing
[09:02] <daSkreech> ARGH
[09:02] <Cassius> hi
[09:02] <addos> why doesn't gutsy have mouse over audio previews anymore?
[09:02] <Cassius> how can i upgrade tu rc1 from gusty beta?
[09:02] <gnomefreak> Cassius: just do you updates
[09:02] <Cassius> haha ok, thx
[09:03] <Pici> !final | Cassius
[09:03] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: try installing the drivers than
[09:03] <ubotu> Cassius: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[09:03] <gnomefreak> !ati | jc-denton
[09:03] <ubotu> jc-denton: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:03] <Cassius> now... how can i install correctly compiz-fusion
[09:03] <Cassius> ?
[09:03] <addos> were the mouse over audio previews removed from gutsy?
[09:03] <gnomefreak> Cassius: see system>prefferences>appearance
[09:03] <gnomefreak> addos: i think so
[09:04] <Cassius> i tried but not working for me
[09:04] <Cassius> :(
[09:04] <sashimi> hi everybody :)
[09:04] <addos> also, how can you force gutsy to mount ntfs readonly?
[09:04] <jc-denton> gnomefreak: ok
[09:04] <addos> so that it won't mount with fuse
[09:04] <gnomefreak> Cassius: install the 3d drivers for your video card
[09:04] <sashimi> I'm having trouble getting the gnome bluetooth applet to connect to my phone (or whatever device in fact)
[09:04] <gnomefreak> addos: mount it without using ntfs-3g
[09:04] <jc-denton> gnomefreak: but how do i install them with the restricted driver manager
[09:04] <remarK-> would installing new video drivers fix a X problem? (i can give the exact issue if required. just trying to get some help.)
[09:04] <addos> gnomefreak: well, I mean, I want it to do that with the gui mounting
[09:05] <Cassius> mm
[09:05] <addos> gnomefreak: how do I control/configure what the gui tools use to mount the filesysetm
[09:05] <addos> filesystem
[09:05] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: you may not beable to, not sure if you are having that bug or they may not support those drivers.
[09:05] <jc-denton> gnomefreak: aha
[09:06] <jc-denton> and THAT WHY I JUST WANTED TO CHANGE THE RESOLUTION
[09:06] <jc-denton> but nobody can tell me how
[09:06] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: in dead mode you cant change res
[09:06] <astinus-work> Good Evening :) I'm having a problem with LTSP after upgrading to Gutsy Gibbon, all my clients use NFS and I'm getting a lot of complaints from thin clients about necessary directories being mounted r/o despite being specified as rw_dirs= in the ltsp-client-setup file
[09:06] <astinus-work> Would anyone with LTSP have any idea about the "suggested" migration path to NBD, as I believe NFS is now deprecated for LTSP?
[09:06] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: you can only change res. once you are out of the fall back X mode
[09:06] <jc-denton> humm
[09:07] <trevor> I can't run adept...
[09:07] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: to do this you HAVE to find drivers for it maybe try xserver-xorg-video-ati?
[09:07] <gnomefreak> search for it first incase name is wrong
[09:07] <trevor> Anyone know why adept won't install packages?
[09:08] <gnomefreak> trevor: error?
[09:08] <trevor> I think so...
[09:08] <jc-denton> hrmm
[09:08] <gnomefreak> what are you trying to do what is it doing, trevor we cant guess at your issue
[09:08] <Pici> trevor: What is the error.
[09:08] <jc-denton> i'm sick of not working gpus under linux
[09:09] <trevor> It says that some packages can't be installed.
[09:09] <gnomefreak> why
[09:09] <trevor> It would cause them to break...
[09:09] <jc-denton> gnomefreak: how can i enable them?
[09:09] <trevor> Same thing happened to me with java in 7.04
[09:09] <jc-denton> i mean manually?
[09:09] <gnomefreak> trevor: open terminal run sudo apt-get install packages....
[09:09] <jc-denton> edit xorg.conf?
[09:09] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: read the links i gave you
[09:09] <trevor> Okay...
[09:09] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: once installed change driver to ati
[09:10] <gnomefreak> reboot and hope it works if not your back to where you are now
[09:10] <jc-denton> gnomefreak: so you mean fglrx?
[09:10] <jc-denton> or the open source driver?
[09:10] <trevor> dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to resolve the problem.
[09:10] <gnomefreak> did i say fglrx?
[09:10] <gnomefreak> trevor: than run it if it still fails pastebin the errors but apt-get -f install should fix it
[09:10] <jc-denton> "once installed"
[09:11] <jc-denton> the ati driver is already isntalled
[09:11] <trevor> Okay...
[09:11] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: try in #ubuntu-effects see if someone there can help you
[09:12] <trevor> It's all ACPI...
[09:12] <jc-denton> ok
[09:12] <jc-denton> gnomefreak: well thx for the suggestions
[09:13] <remarK-> anyone ANYONE know why my terminal isn't loading?
[09:14] <trevor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40431/
[09:14] <Pici> remarK-: Are you getting errors? in gnome? kde?
[09:14] <remarK-> Pici: gnome. fresh Gutsy RC install.
[09:15] <Pici> remarK-: Any errors?
[09:15] <remarK-> if you would like, i can PM you the xterm output when trying to launch from there.
[09:15] <xet7> where should I put "modprobe sata_sil" and other commands to run on ubuntu boot? /etc/init.d/mountall.sh file or something else?
[09:15] <Pici> remarK-: can you pastebin it?
[09:15] <Tominator> hi!
[09:15] <Pici> !paste
[09:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:15] <trevor> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40431/
[09:16] <remarK-> how do i copy from xterm?
[09:16] <Pici> er
[09:17] <Pici> select and middle click to paste?
[09:17] <gnomefreak> trevor: can i have full command and output
[09:17] <derFuchs> strg+shift+c
[09:18] <remarK-> Pici: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40432/
[09:18] <gnomefreak> trevor: im willing to bet if you install kubuntu-desktop it will fix it if not there is a package there stopping it but hard to tell without full output
[09:18] <Pici> remarK-: log a bug please.
[09:18] <Pici> !bugs | remarK-
[09:18] <ubotu> remarK-: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[09:18] <igge> hello...
[09:19] <igge> seems that /bin/arch is missing in gutsy
[09:19] <gnomefreak> Pici: X drivers?
[09:19] <Pici> gnomefreak: error launching gnome-terminal
[09:20] <gnomefreak> oh thats not good. he might have mixed packages/versions
[09:20] <Pici> remarK-: you can run other programs fine, right?
[09:20] <trevor> Hold on...
[09:20] <igge> in feisty /bin/arch is in util-linux, but it's not there in gutsy... /bin/arch is quite fundamental isn't it?
[09:20] <Pici> He said it was a fresh install
[09:20] <remarK-> Pici: I can't go to system -> software sources
[09:20] <bqmassey> yay..  got the RC installed.. my first ubuntu installation
[09:20] <bqmassey> how do i spin the cube?
[09:20] <gnomefreak> suggest installing ubuntu-desktop to make sure/
[09:20] <remarK-> Pici: But I can launch pidgin and firefox. The problem seems somewhat limited.
[09:21] <gnomefreak> remarK-: what ISo version is this install?
[09:21] <Pici> remarK-: Is this an upgrade?
[09:21] <remarK-> Pici: I did the update-manager install over fiesty. I assume that was the correct way it was the way shown in the wiki.
[09:21] <Pici> remarK-: Yes. that should have worked.
[09:21] <Pici> remarK-: and it worked before the upgrade, right?
[09:21] <elliotjhug> Does anyone know of a repo that provides -unsupported plugins for compiz-fusion? (I realise that this repo will be highly unreccomended)
[09:22] <remarK-> Pici: Correct.
[09:22] <gnomefreak> remarK-: apt-cache policy gnome-terminal than gnome-help than ubuntu desktop
[09:22] <gnomefreak> ubuntu-desktop
[09:22] <remarK-> gnomefreak: pardon?
[09:22] <trevor> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40435/
[09:23] <gnomefreak> remarK-: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy gnome-help  than apt-cache policy gnome-terminal than apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop
[09:23] <remarK-> gnomefreak: than = then? (i'm not being condescending. trying to clarify.)
[09:24] <gnomefreak> trevor: start with sudo dpkg --configure acpi-support  than try same with acpid
[09:24] <Pici> remarK-: yes.
[09:24] <trevor> gnomefreak: Okay...
[09:24] <gnomefreak> remarK-: run the first command than the 2nd than the 3rd and pastebin all output
[09:25] <remarK-> gnomefreak: gotcha.
[09:25] <gnomefreak> trevor: i get that in chroots never got it in main install before. i had to remove them for chroot to work but you should beable to configure them in a certain order
[09:26] <gnomefreak> remarK-: gnome-help == gnome-terminal  (versions should be same)
[09:26] <gnomefreak> ubuntu-desktop will not be same version
[09:26] <trevor> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40438/
[09:27] <remarK-> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40439/
[09:27] <remarK-> pici: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40439/
[09:27] <MTecknology> !package uswsusp
[09:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about package uswsusp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:27] <gnomefreak> trevor: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 == file a bug its an internal failure
[09:27] <GNUtoo-laptop> hello, i have 2 java implemetations(the default gcj) and icedtea....how do i manage the java and javac simlinks(is there no program for doing that?)
[09:27] <MTecknology> ubotu doen't know about uswsusp?
[09:27] <gnomefreak> remarK-: what version of gnome-panel do you have installed?
[09:28] <trevor> gnomefreak: Okay, now other people with this type of laptop are having problems with wireless, power management, acpi...
[09:28] <gnomefreak> MTecknology: it doesnt know what package is
[09:28] <bqmassey> i have a fresh 7.10-RC install... how do i spin the cube?
[09:28] <MTecknology> !info uswsusp
[09:28] <ubotu> uswsusp: tools to use userspace software suspend provided by Linux. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6~cvs20070618-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 136 kB, installed size 412 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 powerpc)
[09:28] <MTecknology> o - lol
[09:28] <Pici> MTecknology: its !info, not !package
[09:28] <gnomefreak> bqmassey: try in #ubuntu-effects
[09:28] <trevor> gnomefreak: I can't get Acer_acpi to work for some reason...
[09:28] <remarK-> gnomefreak: how do i check the version number of gnome-panel?
[09:28] <gnomefreak> remarK-: apt-cache policy
[09:28] <murlidhar> gnomefreak: Segmentation fault (core dumped) what does this mean?
[09:28] <gnomefreak> murlidhar: that means something crashed
[09:28] <bqmassey> gnomefreak: thanks
[09:28] <gnomefreak> murlidhar: what was it?
[09:29] <MTecknology> it sucks... ubuntu standard suspend hibernate never worked on this hardware, I barely had it working in 7.04, and it's gone in 7.10
[09:29] <GNUtoo-laptop> or is there a channel for ubuntu and java?
[09:29] <murlidhar> gnomefreak: linkage torrent client when i ran from terminal
[09:29] <gnomefreak> murlidhar: can you run it from menus?
[09:29] <remarK-> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40440/
[09:29] <murlidhar> gnomefreak: it doesn't start
[09:29] <DanaG> I fixed suspend on my laptop by editing /etc/default/acpi-support.
[09:30] <gnomefreak> GNUtoo-laptop: sudo update-alternatives --all
[09:30] <DanaG> I have VBE_POST set to false and SAVE_VIDEO_PCI_STATE set to true.
[09:30] <murlidhar> gnomefreak: to be honest i compiled that application
[09:30] <gnomefreak> GNUtoo-laptop: pick what app you want to use this will configure all of them (cant remember what one is java that you want)
[09:30] <GNUtoo-laptop> gnomefreak, thanks...
[09:30] <trevor> gnomefreak: Other people have downgraded the BIOS, and got it to work, and it amazingly fixed everything...
[09:30] <gnomefreak> murlidhar: than you need to go to wher eyou compilied it from
[09:30] <murlidhar> using there instructions at http://code.google.com/p/linkage/wiki/Installation
[09:31] <murlidhar> gnomefreak: ^
[09:31] <trevor> gnomefreak: Would you recomend this?  I always thought it was dangerous...
[09:31] <gnomefreak> trevor: that maybe right but thats not a fix, it needs to be fixed in app.
[09:31] <murlidhar> gnomefreak: k
[09:31] <remarK-> gnomefreak: did you see the gnome-panel version link?
[09:31] <gnomefreak> murlidhar: we cant support 3rd party apps.
[09:31] <gnomefreak> remarK-: not yet give me asec
[09:32] <remarK-> gnomefreak: k
[09:32] <gnomefreak> remarK-: thats what i was afraid of
[09:32] <remarK-> gnomefreak: haha, oh no.
[09:32] <gnomefreak> remarK-: file a bug with the backtrace of the issue
[09:32] <MTecknology> DanaG, I can't find VBE_POST
[09:33] <gnomefreak> remarK-: or if you have the crash report in /var/crash (i remember missmatch but cant remember if crash or not
[09:33] <remarK-> gnomefreak: backtrace being the output of the xterm when trying to launch gnome-terminal?
[09:33] <gnomefreak> savvas: since we seem to be taking shifts ITS YOUR TURN ;)
[09:34] <igge>  is gnome-compiz-preferences the command to use to configure compiz?
[09:34] <gnomefreak> remarK-: no not really add that to bug as well
[09:34] <gnomefreak> !backtrace
[09:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about backtrace - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:34] <gnomefreak> damn you
[09:34] <igge> it doesn't work... nothing happens when I run it...
[09:34] <murlidhar> gnomefreak: u r right but i am trying to compile in gutsy anyways i will try to recompile it . thanks for giving me a hint :)
[09:34] <gnomefreak> remarK-: brb getting instructions for you
[09:34] <MTecknology> DanaG, is VBE_POST something I'll need to add?
[09:35] <gnomefreak> remarK-: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace?highlight=%28backtrace%29
[09:36] <gnomefreak> murlidhar: it doesnt matter wher eyou are trying to compile it you compilied it and it doesnt run since it wasnt from ubuntu repos there is nothing we can do about it you might try #ubuntu-offtopic see if someone in there can help you
[09:38] <murlidhar> gnomefreak: i didn't mean to harm  you sorry if you mistook it
[09:38] <remarK-> gnomefreak: Thank you for all your help.
[09:38] <gnomefreak> !backtrace is <reply> To get a backtrace of a failing application please read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[09:38] <ubotu> I'll remember that, gnomefreak
[09:38] <gnomefreak> ubotu ty
[09:38] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[09:38] <murlidhar> gnomefreak: rather u have helped me in a lot of cases
[09:40] <MTecknology> DanaG, I just tried adding those lines, same thing happened. It get's to the point where the light should start blinking, then hangs
[09:42] <FlyingPig> I WANT TO ORDER GUTSY GIBBON
[09:42] <FlyingPig> WHY I CANT DO THIS
[09:42] <FlyingPig> ????????
[09:42] <gnomefreak> FlyingPig: you want to lose the caps
[09:42] <gnomefreak> FlyingPig: you need an LP id
[09:42] <FlyingPig> sorry
[09:42] <murlidhar> !caps | FlyingPig
[09:42] <ubotu> FlyingPig: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[09:42] <murlidhar> hmm a bit late me sorry
[09:42] <FlyingPig> gnomefreak ok help me get one
[09:43] <gnomefreak> FlyingPig: got o launchpad.net and make one
[09:43] <FlyingPig> free?
[09:43] <FlyingPig> is free?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> FlyingPig: for further help please join #launchpad
[09:43] <FlyingPig> ok
[09:43] <gnomefreak> FlyingPig: yes free
[09:43] <FlyingPig> :D
[09:43] <murlidhar> :0
[09:43] <murlidhar> :)
[09:46] <trevor> Someone was having problems with memory card readers?
[09:52] <SilentDis> hello
[09:52] <LiMaO> c-68-49-242-241.hsd1.dc.comcast.net -- this idiot is flooding people
[09:55] <Moduliz0r> how do I force the mounting of an NTFS drive?
[09:56] <Moduliz0r> it was uncleanly shut down and it wont mount :(
[09:57] <Moduliz0r> Please, how do I mount it?
[09:58] <qzio> Moduliz0r: man mount? try google, i would guess mount --force or something
[09:59] <lee_> hi ya guys
[09:59] <lee_> is running the 64 bit version and so far the only thing I have encountered was having to exectute the update manager manulay
[09:59] <daSkreech> qzio: I can't mount a ntfs drive anymore in  gutsy
[10:00] <lee_> hu?
[10:00] <qzio> that seems not-so-fun
[10:00] <daSkreech> Yeah
[10:00] <daSkreech> mount device path
[10:01] <daSkreech> no errors no feedback
[10:01] <Moduliz0r> i have the same problem
[10:01] <daSkreech>  is it mounted
[10:01] <qzio> wierd..
[10:01] <Creationist> Anyone know of any alternatives to GNUCash that has a better interface (more reminiscent of Quicken)?
[10:01] <daSkreech> nope!
[10:01] <Moduliz0r> mine wont mount because of an unclean shutdown
[10:01] <lee_> any one here running the 64 bit version?
[10:01] <daSkreech> 1info-e, --delete            delete files not present at remote site kmymoney
[10:01] <fyrestrtr> Creationist: try kmymoney
[10:01] <daSkreech> !info kmymoney
[10:01] <qzio> Creationist: let me know if you find any :)
[10:01] <daSkreech> !info kmymoney2
[10:01] <ubotu> Package kmymoney does not exist in gutsy
[10:01] <ubotu> kmymoney2: personal finance manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.7-2 (gutsy), package size 7078 kB, installed size 14424 kB
[10:01] <lee_> creationist you here too lol, whos cloning who lol
[10:01] <daSkreech> that's the one I use
[10:01] <daSkreech> it's nice
[10:02] <lee_> waht no restart?
[10:02] <Creationist> daSkreech, fyrestrtr: THank you
[10:03] <savvas> gnomefreak: aye aye sir! :P
[10:03] <FlyingPig> hello sir i use ubuntu feisty fawn today and i will install gutsy gibbon soon and how do i get my current GUI settings to gutsy gibbon from feisty fawn???
[10:03] <FlyingPig> HELP ME
[10:03] <fyrestrtr> FlyingPig: just upgrade
[10:03] <MrMark79> hi all
[10:03] <FlyingPig> fyrestrtr yes i order cd 7,1
[10:04] <FlyingPig> but i need to save this GUI file before i do
[10:04] <savvas> FlyingPig: in gone terminal, do this: update-manager -d
[10:04] <savvas> *gone=gnome
[10:04] <daSkreech> FlyingPig: you should get two Cds one of them you can upgrade from
[10:04] <fyrestrtr> heh, gone terminal
[10:04] <Valued> i upgraded from kubuntu feisty to gutsy beta and lost my network.  i don't have a clue as to diagnosing the problem.  i reset the contents of /etc/network/interfaces to just the first four lines.
[10:04] <savvas> no comments! :p
[10:04] <FlyingPig> savvas you think i joke?
[10:04] <FlyingPig> this is serios
[10:05] <MrMark79> I upgraded gutsy and enabled compiz with cube effects. Now I notice that CTRL-ALT-left/right shifts the desktop twice instead of one, so from 1=>3 instead of 2. I'm not sure wheter this is a gutsy problem or just a setting I missed.. someone able to help me out ?
[10:05] <FlyingPig> canot be wrong
[10:05] <Nido> hi
[10:05] <Nido> what do I have to do to upgrade from Tribe 5 to Release Candidate?
[10:05] <fyrestrtr> Nido: run update manager
[10:05] <omha> fyrestrtr, what do you mean gone terminal?
[10:05] <savvas> FlyingPig: to upgrade your current release, you have to either do "update-manager -d" or download the alternate cd
[10:05] <FlyingPig> savvas i order it from shipit
[10:06] <r0bby> :-x
[10:06] <savvas> Nido: you already have it if you are up-to-date
[10:06] <daSkreech> FlyingPig: back up your /etc folder and your home folder
[10:06] <omha> i woudnt back up /etc
[10:06] <FlyingPig> daskreech thanks this answer i was looking for
[10:06] <savvas> FlyingPig: it will take you 3 months to get to you
[10:06] <omha> just /home/$user
[10:06] <daSkreech> FlyingPig: if you just want settings then you should back up hidden folders in your home folder
[10:06] <FlyingPig> savvas i pay so i get faster
[10:06] <daSkreech> FlyingPig: Note this might still lead to some danger
[10:06] <savvas> oh
[10:06] <FlyingPig> i tell them to make me priority one
[10:06] <FlyingPig> :P
[10:07] <Nido> FlyingPig: savvas, you don't need to do nothing to get the Release Candidate?  Will be the same for Gutsy final?
[10:07] <savvas> Nido: exactamundo!
[10:07] <Nido> ok
[10:08] <savvas> FlyingPig: very well, I don't know if it's the alternate cd you ordered, but if you ordered the desktop, I think the only thing to upgrade from there is format your / (root) partition, and you'll keep your settings if you have /home in a separate partition
[10:09] <savvas> thing = way
[10:09] <FlyingPig> savvas i will backup /etc and /home
[10:09] <FlyingPig> and i will hope it works :P
[10:10] <daSkreech> gnomefreak: ppoke
[10:11] <daSkreech> FlyingPig: Should but it might not
[10:11] <redheat> hi everyone
[10:11] <redheat> guys got a quicky, how to disable desktop icons in both GNome and KDE
[10:12] <MTecknology> When I run 'hibernate-disk -fk' I get this error 'Some modules failed to unload: ipw3945'
[10:12] <FlyingPig> redhat is illegal accoarding to steve ballmer
[10:12] <redheat> I'm trying to enable this AWESOME CUBE on my Desktop
[10:12] <FlyingPig> :S
[10:12] <redheat> Desktops
[10:12] <redheat> http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Plugins/Cube#3d
[10:12] <redheat> http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Plugins/Cube#3d
[10:12] <savvas> FlyingPig: it does work, I use it all the time!
[10:12] <redheat> sorry double post
[10:13] <savvas> redheat: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[10:13] <savvas> redheat: then head to menu: system > preferences > advanced desktop effects
[10:13] <redheat> no, I didn't mean that, I just want to disable desktop icons under GNOME and Under KDE
[10:14] <savvas> you wanted to enable cude
[10:14] <savvas> *cube
[10:14] <redheat> ok..thank you I"m just asking about how to disable desktop icons
[10:14] <savvas> which ones?
[10:14] <redheat> yes, and for that reason to have all the cube walls
[10:14] <redheat> isn't there an option under KDE that says disable desktop icons? isn't there one like it under gnome
[10:15] <redheat> you know what I'll try to look it up again..thank you so much for your time..
[10:15] <savvas> you mean all the icons?
[10:15] <redheat> yes
[10:15] <redheat> if possible, don't have to bother yourself
[10:15] <savvas> there's no such thing in gnome, I asked for the same thing and they said it's not possible. I don't know if kde has it though
[10:16] <savvas> you can disable several of them in gnome, but not the manually-put ones
[10:16] <savvas> :P
[10:16] <redheat> no KDE has it when you right click on the wallpaper and choose Desktop COnfiguration..
[10:16] <redheat> how can you do that
[10:16] <redheat> disable them under gnome..
[10:18] <redheat> you know never mind, I'll come back and post result if possible
[10:18] <savvas> applications > system > configuration > / > apps > nautilus > desktop >
[10:18] <redheat> thanks anyway
[10:18] <savvas> there you have some
[10:18] <redheat> sorry where is that exactly?
[10:19] <savvas> ubuntu menu
[10:19] <redheat> you mean the system tools menu
[10:19] <savvas> well.. have pitty on my hands :)
[10:19] <redheat> no I don't mean that
[10:19] <redheat> cause I don't have a configuration option under system tools? that's why I'm asking
[10:19] <savvas> yes, system = system tools
[10:20] <savvas> er..
[10:20] <savvas> are you sure you're using ubuntu ?
[10:20] <redheat> yes
[10:20] <redheat> I'll even gonna state what I have down there...adept manager
[10:20] <savvas> redheat do this command: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get -f install
[10:20] <redheat> DOphin
[10:20] <savvas> wait
[10:20] <savvas> you have ubuntu or kubuntu?
[10:21] <daSkreech> Kubuntu :)
[10:21] <savvas> bah
[10:21] <redheat> I already have it installed
[10:21] <redheat> are you using ubuntu 7.04 or 7.10
[10:21] <redheat> ?
[10:21] <savvas> 7.10
[10:22] <savvas> redheat: kubuntu uses kde, ubuntu uses gnome by default, I don't know what you've tinkered with and what desktop manager you use at the moment..
[10:22] <redheat> I"m using gnome, and I have not tinkered with anything important regarding the settings
[10:23] <fyrestrtr> redheat: run gconf-editor
[10:24] <redheat> ok its open
[10:24] <redheat> the gconf editor
[10:24] <FlyingPig> http://fyrchan.se/b/src/1192113798627.jpg
[10:24] <FlyingPig> ops wrong chat
[10:24] <redheat> no problem
[10:24] <AncientRelic> I'm trying to install Gutsy on my new laptop
[10:25] <AncientRelic> but I don't want to toast Vista just yet
[10:25] <AncientRelic> I can't resize the partition using the installer
[10:25] <redheat> so pop in the CD and start installing on any unpartitioned space
[10:25] <AncientRelic> any ideas?
[10:25] <freelock> Doesn't Vista come pre-toasted?
[10:26] <redheat> don't have to do it this way
[10:26] <AncientRelic> freelock, lol
[10:26] <redheat> just let Ubuntu do it for you..using the largest unused space
[10:26] <redheat> simple as that
[10:26] <AncientRelic> redheat: no free space
[10:27] <AncientRelic> freelock, my primary box IS a Feisty one
[10:28] <savvas> my primary box is carbon-based, it has some whitish and gray matter and it's called the brain! now beat that! :)
[10:28] <AncientRelic> savvas wins
[10:29] <sinX_> anyone know how to mount or burn .cue & .bin files?
[10:29] <savvas> AncientRelic: have you tried any other partition managers?
[10:29] <AncientRelic> savvas: I just decided to screw it and blew it away
[10:29] <savvas> AncientRelic: say.. partition magic?
[10:29] <sinX_> or what app to use?
[10:29] <savvas> works well with ntfs partitions
[10:29] <AncientRelic> savvas: I could have dredged up my Hiren's CD but nah
[10:29] <AncientRelic> lets go for it
[10:31] <savvas> AncientRelic: paragon is in hiren's too, that one's great as well
[10:31] <sinX_> Anyone know what program to use to mount .bin & .cue files?
[10:31] <fyrestrtr> mount
[10:31] <savvas> sinX_: is it a vcd?
[10:31] <daSkreech> sinX_: there is a program to right click mount them in KDE
[10:32] <sinX_> yes vcd
[10:32] <sinX_> but I have gnome
[10:32] <savvas> sinX_: vlc
[10:33] <savvas> download vlc media player
[10:34] <sinX_> I already have vlc but, how do I mount files with it?
[10:34] <cromo> hi. anyone here who does have some knowledge on the new "bulletproof X"?
[10:35] <cromo> after one of updates, gdm/startx start with wrong resolution (basic 800x600) despite the xorg.conf settings.
[10:35] <cromo> I tried everything, still no luck with solving this issue
[10:35] <sinX_> savvas: how do I mount files with vlc?
[10:35] <AncientRelic> sinX_: what kind of files?
[10:35] <savvas> cromo: edit xorg.conf and remove all the unwanted resolutions
[10:36] <savvas> cromo: then save and reboot
[10:36] <sinX_> bin & cue
[10:36] <sinX_> I know how to play them
[10:36] <cromo> savvas: I am not lame ;-) this is not the case
[10:36] <fyrestrtr> vlc will open cue files automatically
[10:36] <cromo> I said, gdm/startx will ignore these settings
[10:36] <cromo> an will always start at the lowest resolution
[10:36] <cromo> *and
[10:36] <savvas> sinX_: no idea, someone mentioned the mount command
[10:37] <sinX_> ya, I need to burn bin & cue files
[10:37] <AncientRelic> sinX_: try brasero?
[10:37] <savvas> sinX_: then open them with a burner application!
[10:37] <fyrestrtr> use k3b
[10:37] <cromo> I am worried that if I post this issue as a bug in launchpad it will get ignored
[10:37] <savvas> cromo: post it, it shouldn't get ignored
[10:38] <savvas> cromo: I fixed one of them yesterday, same workaround did the trick
[10:38] <cromo> savvas: even removing xorg.conf and falling back to 7.2 automatic settings thre resolution will be set wrongly. my CRT provides correct DDI info so it's even more weird
[10:38] <sinX_> savvas...lol..that was my initial question...what program do I use to burn or mount bin and cue
[10:39] <savvas> sinX_: now you're talking, you can use: k3b brasero gnomebaker
[10:39] <savvas> k3b is the most stable if you ask me
[10:39] <cromo> savvas: I know the trick, but here the case is different. everything worked fine until I made an upgrade couple of weeks ago, when some bigger bulletproff changes were applied to xserver-xorg
[10:39] <sinX_> great thankx :) I'll check it out!
[10:40] <savvas> cromo: I'd file the bug :)
[10:40] <Pusur> Between the login screen and the desktop I get this plain orange background, for a couple of seconds. Is it possible to make this the same as the background I have in both the login screen and the desktop? Kinda annoying
[10:41] <cromo> savvas: I will, although I am scared it will get lost
[10:41] <savvas> Pusur: yes, you use a login screen theme :)
[10:41] <Pusur> Hm? I already have the same background in the login screen and the dekstop
[10:41] <channel200> Is anyone successfully running Gutsy with a Radeon 9200 card?
[10:42] <savvas> Pusur: system > administration > login window
[10:42] <savvas> Pusur: oh.. then.. dunno
[10:42] <Pusur> The problem is where the splash screen is
[10:42] <AncientRelic> channel200: I've got it running with a Radeon 9000
[10:43] <Pusur> I'm running 9200SE
[10:43] <channel200> AncientRelic: I'm having problems. Did you need to do anything special?
[10:43] <`Matir> is it possible to install from an ISO on an external hard drive?
[10:43] <savvas> Pusur: maybe it's the background colour.. I mean right click on desktop, change desktop backg, under "colors" change the solid colour
[10:43] <AncientRelic> channel200: for the basics no
[10:43] <channel200> AncientRelic: flglx?
[10:43] <AncientRelic> channel200: are you wanting Compiz?
[10:43] <channel200> AncientRelic: Yes
[10:43] <AncientRelic> channel200: do you have the driver in restricted driver manager?
[10:44] <savvas> cromo: never! :P
[10:44] <channel200> AncientRelic: Says that I don't need restricted drivers when I open the Restricted Driver Manager
[10:44] <savvas> cromo: they say to report the bugs no matter how minor they are, someone always takes a look
[10:44] <AncientRelic> channel200: so does mine, I haven't tried the compiz bits yet
[10:44] <Pusur> savvas: Not possible using an image here, then?
[10:44] <Pusur> *there
[10:44] <AncientRelic> channel200: Its on the list for this weekend :)
[10:45] <savvas> Pusur: that's it? you had orange there? I believe not :\
[10:45] <channel200> AncientRelic: I'm having problems getting with X prior to worrying about xgl
[10:45] <AncientRelic> channel200: No problems with X so far
[10:46] <AncientRelic> channel200: I'm doing a reinstall with the gutsy RC this afternoon
[10:46] <Pusur> That feature should really be there. Can't be too hard implenting either
[10:46] <channel200> AncientRelic: Which driver from the Screens and Graphics panel? Ati -> Radeon or Ati -> Radeon flglx?
[10:47] <AncientRelic> channel200: Start with Radeon
[10:48] <AncientRelic> channel200: Let me get my ATI box back up, and I'll look myself
[10:48] <AncientRelic> channel200: I'm right in the middle of getting Gutsy on my new laptop :P
[10:51] <silent[ca] > hey guys, how many seeds are up for the gutsy iso?
[10:51] <silent[ca] > wondering whether I should ftp or torrent
[10:51] <AncientRelic> I'm seeding the live and the alternate i386 right now
[10:53] <AncientRelic> deluge says 246 desktop seeds, 76 alternate seeds
[10:53] <bb-g> hi all
[10:54] <channel200> AncientRelic: Have you used the alternate CD to upgrade? Is it working now?
[10:54] <bb-g> can someone tell me is gutsy is going to be able to format disks in ntfs?
[10:54] <silent[ca] > AncientRelic, I'll be getting hte alternate cd... wait channel200 is there something wrong with alt?
[10:54] <AncientRelic> channel200: I'm using it for my laptop, the desktop wouldn't boot
[10:54] <mrannanj> bb-g: let me check if ntfs project had mkntfs
[10:54] <AncientRelic> bb-g: Gutsy has NTFS-3g in it
[10:55] <channel200> silent[ca] : The beta alternate CD was working properly, but I'm hoping it's fixed now.
[10:55] <mrannanj> bb-g: yes it has mkntfs in it
[10:55] <bb-g> and as i understood it can read and also write to these disks
[10:56] <channel200> silent[ca] : I meant the beta alternate CD wasn't working properly - haven't tried RC
[10:56] <mrannanj> bb-g: yes
[10:56] <AncientRelic> bb-g: That's what ntfs-3g is for
[10:56] <silent[ca] > channel200, reassuring... and where can I get the .torrent? the ubuntu site turned into a beautiful user-friendly panel for accessing 7.04
[10:56] <bb-g> i'm new to linux ad  of today so i want to apologise for noobish q's
[10:56] <mrannanj> bb-g: np
[10:57] <AncientRelic> bb-g: we all either had or have them
[10:57] <bb-g> just installed ubuntu 7.10 RC to make a fileserver with it
[10:57] <channel200> silent[ca] : ubuntu.com/testing
[10:57] <silent[ca] > channel200, thanks
[10:58] <mrannanj> bb-g: network fileserver need not use ntfs filesystem.. unless you use disks from windows
[10:59] <bb-g> because i was told it is possible to make a software raid5 with it and to expand it later if necessary
[10:59] <bb-g> the rest of my network is windows
[10:59] <mrannanj> bb-g: what you want is samba server then
[10:59] <gnomefreak> savvas: have you noticed a big jump in X driver issues?
[11:00] <mrannanj> bb-g: ntfs you need only for using disks you used in windows previously
[11:00] <AncientRelic> OK, got the alternate loaded
[11:00] <bb-g> the situation
[11:00] <AncientRelic> I get the splash but when it tries to go to X, freeze time
[11:00] <silent[ca] > its amazing how ubuntu progresses so quickly. I remember I first tried it back in hoary...
[11:00] <bb-g> i have 6 300GB disks
[11:00] <bb-g> 1 is gilled with data
[11:00] <savvas> gnomefreak: you mean everyone complaining about resolutions? yeah
[11:00] <savvas> :p
[11:01] <gnomefreak> savvas: resolutions/hard time installing drivers ect..
[11:01] <mrannanj> bb-g: ok.. i know nothing of raid, i only have JBOD :)
[11:01] <bb-g> i want to make a raid 5 with those and then copy the data and expand the RAID later on
[11:01] <savvas> gnomefreak: well, they all want to try out the compiz craze :)
[11:01] <gnomefreak> true
[11:01] <PC-Ente> hi
[11:02] <mrannanj> bb-g: but linux fileservers are mainly using native linux filesystems like ext3, reiserfs and using samba to communicate with windows
[11:02] <PC-Ente> i installed ia32-bit java on my ubunutu
[11:02] <savvas> nevertheless, that's good, if I ever change a card, the bug will be already reviewed :P
[11:02] <bb-g> i can tell you that a matrox mystique runs but it isn't a charm to watch the screen
[11:02] <PC-Ente> but its not working in firefox
[11:02] <channel200> savvas: or run google earth
[11:02] <PC-Ente> ialso made a simbolc link to plugin-folder from firefox
[11:02] <savvas> channel200: ?
[11:02] <AncientRelic> any suggestions to get X going?
[11:02] <lee_> WOW I HAVE PROBLEM I CAN READ MOMS MICROSOFT WORKS FILES UGGGGG
[11:02] <DanaG> Gaack, even the latest gnome-power-manager doesn't fix my screen turning off when I try to change brightness.
[11:03] <bb-g> where can i get info about the raidpart of this setup?
[11:03] <mrannanj> hm
[11:03] <kurisutofuaa> So how is the release candidate everyone?
[11:03] <DanaG> I have to press the brightness key FIVE times to get to the next brightness level.
[11:03] <mrannanj> bb-g: i would google "linux raid"
[11:03] <mrannanj> bb-g: pick a good howto
[11:03] <savvas> lee_: is that a problem between the chair and the computer? :p
[11:03] <lee_> ok for real any one in hre using the 64 bit version of gutsy ..please ay I am not the only one
[11:04] <PC-Ente> i use 64bit to
[11:04] <lee_> No its a problem as it created an extreme schockk of amazement
[11:04] <LiMaO> lee_: i was using it a few days ago, but got rid of it and went back to 64bit feisty
[11:04] <PC-Ente> and am happy that flash works so easy but java is not workling right now
[11:04] <lee_> ahhh
[11:04] <AncientRelic> any help getting X going?
[11:04] <lee_> I havnt used 64bit fiesty
[11:04] <LiMaO> PC-Ente: java not working on 64bit gutsy was the reason i went back to 64bit feisty.. also openoffice wouldn't work for me either
[11:05] <bb-g> i still use the 32bit versions
[11:05] <savvas> lee_: x86_64 since june :)
[11:05] <lee_> actaully I loaded the worng Ubuntu lol
[11:05] <mrannanj> bb-g: np
[11:05] <silent[ca] > I'm getting upwards of 500kb/s torrenting the alternate.... WOW.
[11:05] <lee_> oh coolio
[11:05] <savvas> and that's because my motherboard went *poof*
[11:05] <PC-Ente> LiMaO, openoffice works well
[11:05] <lee_> I ma running the Kubuntu lol
[11:05] <PC-Ente> im not think java manuell installtion 32bit woud work and chroot 32bit java workes to
[11:06] <lee_> eh i kinda like the features
[11:06] <LiMaO> PC-Ente: it wouldn't work for me.. writer would freeze if i tried to format a page, or set preferences
[11:06] <LiMaO> PC-Ente: let me give you a link, it may work for you
[11:06] <bb-g> the problem i'm experiencing with linus is that there is too much information
[11:06] <lee_> hmm. wierd it working fine fer me
[11:06] <silent[ca] > I'll seed the alternate till the 18th
[11:06] <lee_> oh the tmi syndrome...yeah i am suffering from that too
[11:06] <radius> is it safe to restart kdm with these new updates to 3.5.8?
[11:07] <bb-g> i have to study a lot of tutorials only to be able to set the damn thing up
[11:07] <lee_> i did and it worked fine
[11:07] <radius> k
[11:07] <radius> thanks
[11:07] <lee_> lol
[11:07] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[11:07] <mrannanj> bb-g: perhaps so
[11:07] <lee_> throws out the manuals and dives in
[11:07] <gnomefreak> radius: yes 3.5.8 is safe
[11:07] <silent[ca] > so guys, overall impression of gutsy?
[11:07] <DanaG> My bug: bug 121833
[11:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[11:07] <radius> gnomefreak, thanks
[11:07] <silent[ca] > I'm downloading now
[11:07] <gnomefreak> np
[11:07] <cromo> savvas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/152109
[11:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152109 in xorg "gsm/startx will ignore xorg.conf resolution settings and run with very low resolution" [Undecided,New] 
[11:07] <lee_> crappy on a 32 bit
[11:08] <lee_> the screens sluggish and  it keeps crashing my system
[11:08] <bb-g> but hey, i installed the thing allready, but still have to work a lot of things out
[11:08] <lee_> I loaded the 64 bit taking a gamble and it paid off
[11:08] <Pusur> How do I avoid that the panels try to start between the splash and the desktop? It starts, and then exits, all in about 1 second...
[11:09] <mrannanj> bb-g: if you like setting up computer systems.. you will make it :)
[11:09] <lee_> great graphics no freezes, no locks up because of the card
[11:09] <bb-g> thx for the samba thing i'll check it out in aminu
[11:09] <savvas> lee_: except for the java & flash part, I'm cool too
[11:09] <lee_> eh video card
[11:09] <PC-Ente> im forced to use 64bit https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/134856
[11:09] <bb-g> te
[11:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134856 in ubuntu "Harddisk to slow on HP 6715s" [Undecided,New] 
[11:09] <LiMaO> PC-Ente: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins
[11:09] <lee_> hmm this came with some kind of java in it allready
[11:09] <gnomefreak> crdlb: are you around atm? i have ati question for you
[11:10] <LiMaO> PC-Ente: check out that site, it may give you some light on getting java and flash working flawlessly on your system
[11:10] <bb-g> i'm network admin (windows) so i'm used that things fail
[11:10] <lee_> but then i am ruun th k-ubuntu
[11:10] <PC-Ente> thanks LiMaO
[11:10] <crdlb> hi
[11:10] <LiMaO> PC-Ente: you're welcome =)
[11:10] <PC-Ente> ubotu, whats with this bug
[11:10] <PC-Ente> i have it on my PC
[11:10] <savvas> cromo: I'll subscribe to it, you could nominate it for the gutsy release i think
[11:10] <silent[ca] > welcome, heartsblood
[11:10] <lee_> oh and its faster too online
[11:10] <silent[ca] > :P
[11:10] <heartsblood> lol hello ;)
[11:10] <crdlb> gnomefreak, what's the question?
[11:10] <mrannanj> bb-g: its not the simplest thing you start with ;) .. good luck
[11:11] <heartsblood> Does the gutsy release of compiz have the 3d desktop plugin yet?
[11:11] <gnomefreak> crdlb: ati radeon 2600  needs ati drivers from ati or do we supply drivers for it?
[11:11] <silent[ca] > I'm torrenting this at 560kb/s .... thanks for seeding guys this is amazing
[11:12] <crdlb> is that the HD 2600?
[11:12] <heartsblood> what torrent?
[11:12] <bb-g> i'm chatting through an ubuntu pc and figured that out in about an hour (taking the instal in account), i'll hope i'll see the end of the road someday at the end of the weekend
[11:12] <silent[ca] > heartsblood, alternate i386
[11:12] <gnomefreak> crdlb: thats all he told me was ati radeon 2600 but all i found was HD
[11:12] <gnomefreak> he said it was fairly new
[11:12] <PC-Ente> LiMaO, thanks for the link but i want do have java in the 64bit-firefox so...
[11:12] <crdlb> gnomefreak, that's an R600, you definitely need fglrx for that
[11:12] <cromo> savvas: how do I nominate it to gutsy?
[11:12] <crdlb> until the radeonhd driver gets finished
[11:12] <cromo> ah got it
[11:13] <savvas> cromo: under .. - ok :p
[11:13] <silent[ca] > has gutsy addressed the 64/32 bit incompatibility of flash/other plugins?
[11:13] <gnomefreak> crdlb: ty
[11:13] <gnomefreak> ill see if i cant ping him
[11:13] <heartsblood> silent[ca] : not without a hack
[11:13] <AncientRelic> X help please
[11:13] <silent[ca] > heartsblood, thanks
[11:13] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: whats up?
[11:13] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: I did a fresh install from the alternate CD
[11:13] <Evanlec> silent[ca] , flash and those programs are not a ubuntu problem, its that adobe has not or will ot release 64bit flash
[11:13] <lee_> eh som one was telling me that some 32 bit can run in 64
[11:14] <mrannanj> bb-g: :)
[11:14] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: It locks up when X tries to start
[11:14] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: nvidia?
[11:14] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: yup
[11:14] <mrannanj> bb-g: its not so hard.. im thinking you dont need ntfs tho
[11:14] <silent[ca] > Evanlec, yes, but I was sort of wondering whether a simple utility had been created to bridge the two using 32 bit emulation or somesuch
[11:14] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: does it drop you into failsafe X
[11:14] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: complete freeze as far as I can see
[11:14] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: I can boot into recovery
[11:14] <mrannanj> bb-g: is raid5 the mirror raid?
[11:14] <Evanlec> silent[ca] , there's a way to do it, but its still a hack ya know
[11:15] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: please file a bug on that, that is something the X devels need to look at
[11:15] <silent[ca] > Evanlec, yea, I'll leave it alone for now, 32 bit tends to be more compatible with most things anyway
[11:15] <silent[ca] > I like things to "just work"
[11:15] <Evanlec> silent[ca] , unfortunately yes
[11:15] <lee_> eh whats the software thats greyed out mean?
[11:15] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: any suggestions in the interim?
[11:16] <lee_> eh brb
[11:17] <radius> interesting, my themes have been updated with 3.5.8 and seem to look better
[11:17] <silent[ca] > guys, I just installed linux... where's my C: drive???
[11:18] <DigitalNinja> Has anyone done an update today?
[11:18] <heartsblood> lol
[11:18] <mrannanj> lol
[11:18] <AncientRelic> silent[ca] : are you dual booting?
[11:18] <DigitalNinja> I want to know if the update works
[11:18] <radius> DigitalNinja, just did an update and nothing failed
[11:18] <silent[ca] > AncientRelic, no, just bored, waiting for the download to finish so I can burn :/
[11:18] <AncientRelic> silent[ca] : ah, evil then
[11:18] <heartsblood> c:\ == /dev/hda0
[11:18] <DigitalNinja> radius: Nice!
[11:18] <frostburn> hmm why wouldn't i be able to change resolutions, i have the appropriate modes in my xorg.conf
[11:19] <silent[ca] > AncientRelic, well, actually i am dual-booting with vista.. but I dont talk about that anymore... its a dark part of my hard drive
[11:19] <Evanlec> if envy worked fine for me in feisty 32bit, no reason it shouldnt work in gutsy 64bit right?
[11:19] <DigitalNinja> As soon as I get home I'll run an updat/upgrade
[11:19] <Evanlec> silent[ca] , lol
[11:19] <AncientRelic> silent[ca] : right now I just want my X to work :P
[11:19] <silent[ca] > AncientRelic, its not working?
[11:19] <AncientRelic> silent[ca] : nope
[11:19] <silent[ca] > AncientRelic, driver-related?
[11:20] <AncientRelic> silent[ca] : I suspect
[11:20] <AncientRelic> silent[ca] : I boot into recovery
[11:20] <Evanlec> when anyone ever gets their xorg.conf file right, ALWAYS make a backup of it, it'll save you plenty of misery
[11:20] <silent[ca] > AncientRelic, tried vesa/nv/nvidia?
[11:20] <LiMaO> lee_: are you using kde browser?
[11:20] <LiMaO> i'm not sure of its name
[11:20] <AncientRelic> silent[ca] : and try to do a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[11:21] <silent[ca] > AncientRelic, have you edited xorg.conf n try vesa/nv/nvidia drivers?
[11:21] <LiMaO> PC-Ente: that will only be possible when sun releases a 64bit java plugin
[11:21] <silent[ca] > or ati if you have an ati card
[11:21] <AncientRelic> silent[ca] :  from my xorg.conf: Driver "nv:
[11:21] <AncientRelic> silent[ca] : "nv"
[11:22] <heartsblood> if I use a x64 version of ubuntu and an application 'made for x64' (ie. distrubuted computing f@H) would I see any increase to performance with less than 4gb of ram?
[11:22] <silent[ca] > AncientRelic, try vesa
[11:22] <savvas> < heartsblood> c:\ == /dev/hda0 <-- let me see you cd to that :p
[11:22] <LiMaO> heartsblood: yes, surely
[11:22] <silent[ca] > AncientRelic, as a temporary fix... if you haven't already
[11:22] <AncientRelic> silent[ca] : trying now
[11:22] <heartsblood> savvas: I was being a smart arse
[11:22] <Evanlec> Question: Envy works fine with Gutsy ya???
[11:22] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: is this upgrade or clean install?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> Evanlec: no dont use it
[11:22] <Evanlec> no?
[11:22] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: clean
[11:22] <gnomefreak> Evanlec: use restricted-manager
[11:23] <Evanlec> but thats not the latest driver
[11:23] <savvas> heartsblood: I raise that to a bragging arse :)
[11:23] <gnomefreak> Evanlec: no you will regret it
[11:23] <heartsblood> :(
[11:23] <savvas> heartsblood: I'm talking about me :p
[11:23] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: were you ever ablet o boot
[11:23] <gnomefreak> able to*
[11:23] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: I can boot into recovery
[11:23] <AncientRelic> and run startx as root from there
[11:23] <silent[ca] > AncientRelic, does vesa boot?
[11:23] <Evanlec> gnomefreak, k so i just try this guide maybe? using nvidia binary from their site? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:23] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: after install did X ever work right
[11:24] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: nope
[11:24] <gnomefreak> Evanlec: use restricted-manager. its simple as checking one box
[11:24] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: ok and this was alternate cd?
[11:24] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: si senor
[11:24] <gnomefreak> good :)
[11:25] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: are you in X atm?
[11:25] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: nope
[11:25] <Evanlec> gnomefreak, but i want the Latest driver 100.14 or whatever
[11:25] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: tty?
[11:25] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: yeah I use recovery option from grub
[11:25] <gnomefreak> Evanlec: we have 100.19
[11:25] <Evanlec> does it pull the latest ?
[11:25] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new
[11:25] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: should I mention this is a laptop?
[11:25] <Evanlec> mah
[11:25] <gnomefreak> Evanlec: yes
[11:25] <silent[ca] > oh god my alternate download just went from 560kb/s to 9kb/s. D:
[11:25] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: not right now but i will keep it in mind
[11:26] <Evanlec> alright i will begrudgingly agree
[11:26] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: un momento
[11:26] <Cable86> gutsy rocks so much
[11:26] <gnomefreak> Evanlec: do as you wish im suggesting the best way to do it
[11:26] <gnomefreak> Evanlec: keep in mind its your system you have to fix if it breaks
[11:26] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: let me know if its installed?
[11:26] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: what do you want?
[11:27] <Evanlec> gnomefreak, i know, you're right, appreciate the advice
[11:27] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: Installed: (none)
[11:27] <omha> OMFG
[11:27] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: :)
[11:27] <silent[ca] > AncientRelic, have you tried driver "vesa" ?
[11:27] <omha>  South.Park.S11E08.DSR.XviD-LOKi RULES!!!
[11:27] <levander> Is the latest Gutsy release candidate basically ready for primte time, especially since I'm an @home user?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: what card do you have?>
[11:27] <usser> levander: yep pretty much
[11:27] <heartsblood> wow that's fast.  almost 6MBps on the gutsy update.  I've never seen my bandwidth go that high o.o
[11:27] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: GeForce 6100
[11:27] <Cable86> levander:  yep, it's quite stable
[11:27] <heartsblood> <3 fast .edu :)
[11:27] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: install nvidia-glx-new
[11:27] <DanaG> I love downloading directly from mirrors.kernel.org.
[11:27] <silent[ca] > gnomefreak why you hating on south park? ;P
[11:28] <PirateHead> Can anybody here help me with a compiz config issue?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> omha: spam somewhere else
[11:28] <levander> Gutsy isn't the nightmare, or even close to it, that Edgy was is it?
[11:28] <DanaG> It can saturate any connection.  Even GbE.
[11:28] <Evanlec> yea...donno why im getting 50k/sec now from nvidia...wtf
[11:28] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: let me know when its installed
[11:28] <Evanlec> actually no, its from the ubuntu archive
[11:28] <heartsblood> nvidia != .edu :)
[11:28] <Cable86> levander:  i never had problems with Edgy, so i would have to say no.  it's been very smooth and rock solid for me
[11:29] <Evanlec> its the restricted driver so its pulling from the gutsy repository...at a miserable 50k/s
[11:29] <gnomefreak> Evanlec: because the mirrors are being hit hard
[11:29] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: installed
[11:29] <gnomefreak> RC was just released
[11:29] <Evanlec> gnomefreak, ahhh, i thot that might be it
[11:29] <PirateHead> Sometimes Compiz changes when I use the GUI to configure it, but sometimes Compiz (and the GUI) refuses to reflect my changes.
[11:29] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: open restricten-manager
[11:29] <gnomefreak> restricted-manager even
[11:30] <gnomefreak> once open please if it doesnt say enabled enable it
[11:30] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: just type that on the command line?
[11:30] <levander> Cable86: For edgy, I actually had to boot the system off a LiveCD, chroot to my hard drives / directory, make changes to configuration files so they were not using DevFS (think that's what it's called), upgrade the kernel, then reboot the system, and then upgrade to DevFS.  It was a nightmare
[11:30] <heartsblood> Evanlec: do a bandwidth test on your sources list.  find a server that's better tuned for your connection
[11:30] <frostburn> is there any reason why i xrandr -s anything other than 1680x1050? http://pastebin.com/m68f332d8
[11:30] <levander> But thanks Cable86 and usser.  I'll probably upgrade to Gutsy tomorrow.
[11:31] <CoasterMaster> made it through safely to the other side!
[11:31] <Cable86> levander:  good luck!  hopefully your experience with Gutsy will be as great as mine has been :-)
[11:31] <silent[ca] > levander, why put off till tomorrow what you can do today?
[11:31] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: I'm still not in X
[11:31] <heartsblood> Evanlec: I'm using an .edu that's in washington and my downloads are always off the scale.
[11:31] <gnomefreak> oh damn tty thats right
[11:31] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: no fear still easy
[11:31] <levander> silent[ca] : I have to figure out how to do my backups again.  Last time I did it was for the Feisty upgrade.  And I remember there were some flaws in my procedure last time.
[11:31] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: lol
[11:31] <silent[ca] > AncientRelic, change driver to nvidia in xorg
[11:32] <silent[ca] > AncientRelic, if you havei installed glx
[11:32] <channel200> AncientRelic: can't get X configured for my Radeon 9200 - did you upgrade or is it a fresh install?
[11:32] <levander> silent[ca] : It's gonna be a half-day thing for me.  I need to get my backup process down smooth.
[11:32] <heartsblood> btw
[11:32] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: you want to sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:32] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: once open let me know
[11:32] <silent[ca] > levander, start now, sleep is overrated
[11:32] <Cable86> so here's a question for you...when you guys install the next version of ubuntu, do you upgrade or do a fresh install?
[11:32] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: already altered
[11:32] <silent[ca] > Cable86, I've done both
[11:32] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: what is driver?
[11:32] <silent[ca] > Cable86, depends how lazy I am
[11:33] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: nvidia
[11:33] <Cable86> i usually do fresh installs just to make sure i have a clean system :-)
[11:33] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: do you have options under device?
[11:33] <levander> silent[ca] : saying that to an insomniac who has slept poorly his whole life, you are not being very kind!
[11:33] <gnomefreak> should be 3
[11:33] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: Identifier and BusID
[11:33] <gnomefreak> ok add this under busid: Option"AddARGBVisuals""True"
[11:33] <silent[ca] > levander, you have insomnia... man I would kill to not have to battle off sleep with high-dose caffeine
[11:34] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: you want to space it out a bit more
[11:34] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: say 4-5 spaces between each part
[11:34] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: or a tab to make it neat? ;)
[11:34] <gnomefreak> next add Option    "AddARGBGLXVisuals"     "True"
[11:35] <Q_Continuum> If I install the current 'beta' will I need to make any changes to update to 'release'?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: sure
[11:35] <silent[ca] > Q_Continuum, No, just an update
[11:35] <gnomefreak> Q_Continuum: no just do your updates
[11:35] <Q_Continuum> Sweet.
[11:35] <gnomefreak> Q_Continuum: install from RC
[11:35] <levander> silent[ca] : trust me, you don't want insomnia... it's more than just not sleeping, you get completely crooked eyed, and still can't fall asleep, too tired to read... it sux, thank god for modern medications
[11:35] <Q_Continuum> I'll put it on my testing/server then.
[11:35] <silent[ca] > Q_Continuum, yes
[11:35] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: ok
[11:35] <Q_Continuum> RC or the 'beta' off the front page?
[11:35] <heartsblood> is it possible to get xgl to recognize dual monitors?  Last time I tried it, it wouldn't configure the divider between the 2 displays and maximized windows would span both views :/
[11:35] <Q_Continuum> I have the 'beta' already on a CD
[11:35] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: save it and close it
[11:35] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: done
[11:35] <silent[ca] > Q_Continuum, ubuntu.com/testing
[11:36] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: go to another tty and try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[11:36] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: assuming you are using gdm not kdm
[11:36] <gnomefreak> but replace as needed
[11:36] <TreMobyl> so, I'm having trouble using nvidia proprietary modules.  Is there a writeup on this business?
[11:36] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: I've only got the 1 tty in recovery
[11:37] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: we dont support nvidia drivers from nvidia.com or envy
[11:37] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: should I change my runlevel for right now
[11:37] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: ok try reboot than
[11:37] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: even through the restricted driver manager?
[11:37] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: no those are ours
[11:37] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: whats the issue?
[11:37] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: reboot you should be good to go :)
[11:37] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: lemme dig up the relevant lines
[11:37] <silent[ca] > my dog is smacking his lips... I think he's dreaming he's eating people
[11:37] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: can you put them on pastebin
[11:37] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: fingers crossed I bought this laptop just for Linux :P
[11:38] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: im gonna smoke be back in like 3 minutes
[11:38] <cellofellow> Anybody else having CUPS stop a printer with IPP Backend Failed status messages?
[11:38] <silent[ca] > gnomefreak, me too, but not tobacco, oh snap
[11:38] <TreMobyl> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[11:38] <kane77> does the tracker work for you? I'm getting: "Process /usr/bin/trackerd exited with status 0"
[11:38] <silent[ca] > TreMobyl, apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[11:38] <TreMobyl> is really the only relevant X output
[11:38] <TreMobyl> silent[ca] : I gots 'em
[11:38] <silent[ca] > TreMobyl, I see
[11:39] <silent[ca] > gnomefreak, went for a smoke
[11:39] <crdlb> TreMobyl, you're not using the "nvidia" driver
[11:39] <TreMobyl> 100.14.19+2.6.
[11:39] <crdlb> you're probably using "nv"
[11:39] <AncientRelic> noob query: is it /etc/inittab that controls runlevel?
[11:39] <TreMobyl> crdlb: no, using nvidia
[11:39] <silent[ca] > my ubuntu download is done, yay
[11:39] <silent[ca] > getting blank cd
[11:39] <crdlb> TreMobyl, pastebin the Xorg.0.log then
[11:39] <jhaig> I have just tried installing the RC and it didn't complete.  As I was not connected to the internet it brought up a message to inform me that security packages were not checked and then the install exited.  Now, grub hasn't been configured (for one).  Firstly, is there a way now to complete the install (I have just rebooted to the CD) and secondly, where can I report this defect?
[11:40] <DanaG> My bug: bug 121833
[11:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[11:40] <TreMobyl> http://pastebin.com/d23df0d03
[11:40] <stefg> !bug | jhaig
[11:40] <ubotu> jhaig: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[11:40] <TreMobyl> modprove nvidia returns FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[11:41] <jhaig> stefg: Thanks.
[11:41] <TreMobyl> return value 1, for what that's worth
[11:41] <crdlb> TreMobyl, O_o
[11:41] <AncientRelic> How do I tell ubuntu to boot into TTY and not X again?
[11:41] <crdlb> you're using radeon
[11:41] <cellofellow> TreMobyl: means just Faile
[11:41] <cellofellow> -e
[11:41] <spasticteapot> Anyone know about the HRtimers patch?
[11:41] <stefg> jhaig: you can install grub from the Live CD, see if the system boots and repair with sudo apt-get -f install and dpkg --configure -a
[11:41] <spasticteapot> http://tglx.de/hrtimers.html
[11:41] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: didnt work?
[11:41] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: nope
[11:42] <gnomefreak> damn
[11:42] <AncientRelic> same freeze
[11:42] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: your gonna need to file a bug on it
[11:42] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: That's why I want to see if it will boot all the way to a tty
[11:42] <crdlb> TreMobyl, also see line 424
[11:42] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: do you get gdm at all?
[11:42] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: splash then nada
[11:42] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: good
[11:42] <crdlb> TreMobyl, you cannot use both cards with 3d acceleration because nvidia is evil
[11:42] <jhaig> stefg: The system doesn't boot because grub isn't configured correctly.  Chicken and egg.  :-)
[11:43] <TreMobyl> crdlb: "both cards" being?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: in grub/menu.lst you want to remove the part that says splash
[11:43] <crdlb> TreMobyl, the radeon and the nvidia
[11:43] <TreMobyl> crdlb: yeah, I'm living with the suck
[11:43] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: that will give you verbose output of the boot
[11:43] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: grub is in again?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: full path is /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:43] <TreMobyl> crdlb: Right now, I just want all 3 screens to work
[11:43] <crdlb> TreMobyl, life will be much easier with the radeon
[11:43] <crdlb> oh wow
[11:43] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: lol, thanks
[11:43] <stefg> jhaig: that's what i'm talking about. install grub manually from the Live CD. open terminal on CD and enter sudo grub
[11:43] <TreMobyl> crdlb: yeah, it's the only screen that's running
[11:43] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: np :)
[11:44] <crdlb> TreMobyl, well to get the nvidia working, you need to switch to nvidia-glx
[11:44] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: people can barely get 1 to work
[11:44] <jhaig> stefg: Will that work?  Would I need to chroot to /target first?
[11:44] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:44] <crdlb> and I've never heard of that other card :)
[11:44] <gnomefreak> what card?
[11:44] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: "barely get 1" what to work?
[11:44] <stefg> jhaig: no, prolly not. depends on how much got installed before installer chickened out
[11:44] <bb-g> http://gentoo-wiki.com/Resize_LVM2_on_RAID5
[11:45] <bb-g> the solution to my problem
[11:45] <crdlb> gnomefreak, "Renditon Verite:"
[11:45] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: we reboot again
[11:45] <TreMobyl> crdlb: is nvidia-glx both original and extra crispy, erm, legacy
[11:45] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: alot of people cant get 1 screen to work due to bugs
[11:45] <spasticteapot> How do I turn on laptop_mode ?
[11:45] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: one screen of?
[11:45] <jhaig> stefg: I think it installed the complete system, and then exited when it came to checking for updates.
[11:45] <spasticteapot> It's apparently not on.
[11:45] <spasticteapot> Anyone?
[11:45] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: can i have full line from lspci for that rendition card
[11:45] <crdlb> TreMobyl, nvidia-glx is a legacy driver but it's much newer than nvidia-glx-legacy
[11:45] <jhaig> I think I'll just do another install - only take about 15 minutes.
[11:45] <bb-g> ow yeah, i wanted to report a bug in gutsy
[11:45] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: alot of people cant get X to work at all in gutsy
[11:46] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: 04:0e.0 VGA compatible controller: Rendition Verite V2000/V2100/V2200 (rev 06)
[11:46] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: works well on my notebook
[11:46] <gnomefreak> ty brb ill see what i can dig up
[11:46] <channel200> AncientRelic: what resolution are you running your Radeon at?
[11:46] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: but I'm doing it to help quash bugs before they hit others.  :)
[11:46] <gnomefreak> channel200: he has nvidia
[11:46] <bb-g> durig the install of the rc i encountered a screen telling me that my NIC wasn't found, when the install was compelted my NIC was just working fine
[11:46] <stefg> jhaig: so once you have a grub prompt all you have to do is ' find /boot/grub/stage1' see what partition comes up 'root (hd0,1)' or whatever is found, then 'setup (hd0)' .. voila, grub in mbr
[11:46] <AncientRelic> channel200: Dell Latitude D600 1400xsomething
[11:46] <gnomefreak> ah another pc
[11:47] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: it's freezing on dbus
[11:47] <bb-g> i have a onboard nic.my MB Asus p5b plus
[11:47] <spasticteapot> Hallo?
[11:47] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: fudge
[11:47] <spasticteapot> Anyone here know how to turn on laptop_mode?
[11:47] <spasticteapot> Is this a bug?
[11:47] <TreMobyl> crdlb: nvidia-glx fails to load
[11:47] <channel200> AncientRelic: Any chance of getting your xorg.conf for the Radeon 9200?
[11:47] <ratpoison> hello! need help. My update-manager has detected "Feisty GDM theme, but I have gutsy. Should I install?
[11:47] <TreMobyl> crdlb: same symptoms
[11:47] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: what version of dbus
[11:47] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: sorry, I've got Linux on 4 boxes :P
[11:47] <bb-g> i almost quited the installation because of this message
[11:48] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: reboot and find out?
[11:48] <cellofellow> Hello everybody!
[11:48] <TreMobyl> crdlb:
[11:48] <TreMobyl> cellofellow: howdy
[11:48] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: apt-cache policy dbus
[11:48] <TreMobyl> same symptoms for nvidia-glx-legacy
[11:48] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: un momento tambien
[11:48] <TreMobyl> none of the nvidia modules will load; no useful diagnostics produced
[11:48] <gnomefreak> crdlb: diamond stealth ring a bell?
[11:49] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: installed: 1.1.1-3ubuntu4
[11:49] <TreMobyl> in what directory should the nvidia module reside?
[11:49] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: damn
[11:49] <cookie_> I found a bug in the bluetooth connection to phones
[11:49] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: ok apt-cache show dbus
[11:49] <fredrin> how do i install linux-backports-modules?
[11:49] <cookie_> It does not allow me to connect to it
[11:49] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: how many versions are listed?
[11:50] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: you need fglrx drivers
[11:50] <jc-denton> i saw that
[11:50] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: found out :)
[11:50] <fredrin> just get a error message that says: Depends: linux-backports-modules-generic but it is not going to be installed
[11:50] <jc-denton> i also built and installed them
[11:50] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: seems like I only see one
[11:50] <jc-denton> now how can i make sure that they are loaded and not vesa?
[11:50] <gnomefreak> crdlb: TreMobyl im finding that this rendition card has alot of corruption bugs
[11:51] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: my LUG meeting tomorrow is going to love this challenge :)
[11:51] <fredrin> this bugreport says that i need to install linux-backports-moduels to get my sound working
[11:51] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: rendition isn't running atm; it's just sitting in the box
[11:51] <fredrin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/131133/comments/166
[11:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131133 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.22 "[gutsy]  no sound on Dell Latitude D630/D830/Inspiron 1300/Precision M4300/Vostro 1500/1700/Apple Aluminium iMac/Acer TM6292 pci id 8086:284b" [Medium,In progress] 
[11:51] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: xorg.conf
[11:51] <Evanlec> weee im on gutsy 64
[11:51] <Evanlec> i am so happeeeee
[11:52] <TreMobyl> the problem seems to be that modprobe and friends cannot find the module, and I'm trying to figure out why
[11:52] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: im wondering what dbus is hanging on if i had to guess network-manager but not sure on that
[11:52] <fredrin> anyone?
[11:52] <RoboticTao> I just upgraded to gusty and now my lightscribe drive is recognized but it continually reads from it and it will not stay open when I open it. Any ideas? Oh, I don't have a disk in it either.
[11:52] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: given that the installation detected both my wired and wireless connections
[11:52] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: but ifconfig eth0 doesn'
[11:52] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: give me a minute for this :)
[11:53] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: doesn't give me an IP you might be right
[11:53] <channel200> AncientRelic: Is this your laptop? what type of wifi?
[11:53] <kbrooks> hi
[11:53] <jc-denton> gnomefreak: i did..
[11:53] <AncientRelic> channel200: Broadcom 4311
[11:53] <jc-denton> but wait
[11:53] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: it hung for me this afternoon but only for a few minutes
[11:53] <AncientRelic> channel200: and that's on BOTH laptops
[11:53] <whta> how can i get back the cursors from feisty? this black one isn't doing it for me
[11:54] <TreMobyl> anybody?
[11:54] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: I'll reboot it again and let it sit for 5-10
[11:54] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: fortunately my PowerBook is around for backup
[11:54] <gnomefreak> i will have a test for you when you get back hopfully
[11:54] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: you're not going to believe it
[11:54] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: I rebooted again
[11:54] <gnomefreak> and it worked?
[11:54] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: and it came up with gdm
[11:55] <gnomefreak> good thought so
[11:55] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: and the nvidia logo
[11:55] <gnomefreak> it was n-m
[11:55] <TreMobyl> anybody still interested in the problem?
[11:55] <jc-denton> waaaahh
[11:55] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: is this related to acpi at all?
[11:55] <jc-denton> i freak out
[11:55] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: that is something i am waiting for the maintainer on
[11:55] <jc-denton> it really seems to ignore the xorg.conf
[11:55] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: doubt it
[11:55] <jc-denton> how can i turn off this behavior
[11:55] <wastedfluid> Anyone familiar with laptop volume keys, khotkeys, and possibly kmix?  having a volume issue on a laptop running gutsy.
[11:55] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: your still in failsafe than
[11:55] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: well its updating now
[11:56] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: fingers crossed atm
[11:56] <jc-denton> yes
[11:56] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: ok when you get a chance reboot a few more times
[11:56] <jc-denton> how can i get rid of that
[11:56] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: you got it
[11:56] <kbrooks> um in on the rc
[11:56] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: then I update my other laptop
[11:56] <kbrooks> as in, i updated to it from beta
[11:57] <channel200> gnomefreak: I've got a strange display problem here with my Radeon card - resolution is set to 1600 x 1200, I get a desktop window of 1024 x 768 in one corner of the monitor, but the mouse works over the entire 1600 x 1200. Any suggestions?
[11:57] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: file a bug on that one, the problem is you installed them from ati, it could be the drivers are buggy or if it built modules they dont match what bulletproofX likes
[11:57] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: are you coming back, or moving on?
[11:57] <TreMobyl> crdlb: still there?
[11:57] <jc-denton> humm
[11:57] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: give me a minute i have 3 people im helping atm
[11:57] <bastid_raZor> having dual monitors, i want to have the gnome toolbars on one monitor. currently they span both monitors. what might i need to change in xorg.conf to fix this?
[11:58] <jc-denton> i file a bug because the cant include the newest driver even in the beta
[11:58] <jc-denton> how are people supposed to switch to linux if such basic stuff does not even works
[11:59] <savvas> jc-denton: because it's not tested
[11:59] <gnomefreak> jc-denton: please complain elsewhere, file bugs and they will tell you why we cant have latest ati drivers in ubuntu
[11:59] <gnomefreak> hell i can because freeze was months ago
[11:59] <gnomefreak> for upstream
[11:59] <savvas> jc-denton: the bleeding edge is at debian.org :)
[11:59] <savvas> look for debian unstable
[11:59] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: ok you just need to reboot 3-4 times
[11:59] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: you still looking for modules?
[12:00] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: when I'm done updating I will
[12:00] <DanaG> !bug 121833
[12:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[12:00] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: ok
[12:00] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: I have nvidia-glx installed, but apparently the system doesn't know where to find it
[12:00] <DanaG> That's my major sticking point.
[12:00] <DanaG> It's like getting a slap in the face due to being idle.
[12:00] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: youve installed nvidia drivers from envy or nvidia.com?
[12:00] <DanaG> BLINK!BLINK!
[12:00] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: I've installed nvidia-glx from ubuntu
[12:00] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: ty sir, my new Linux-inspired laptop thanks you as well :)
[12:00] <gnomefreak> AncientRelic: np
[12:01] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: a present for you: http://pastebin.com/d214e0d79
[12:01] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: on that system if upgraded did you ever go outside our repos to get nvidia drivers
[12:01] <alex_ajt> has anyone been able to get a kde4 session in the rc yet?
[12:01] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: that is strace -f
[12:01] <gnomefreak> alex_ajt: yes but there is nothing there for most part
[12:01] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: not to my knowledge
[12:01] <bb-1> Unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-daemon'.
[12:01] <bb-1> Without the GNOME settings manager running, some preferences may not take effect. This could indicate a problem with Bonobo, or a non-GNOME (e.g. KDE) settings manager may already be active and conflicting with the GNOME settings manager.
[12:01] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: that is strace -f modprobe nvidia
[12:01] <jc-denton> lol savvas
[12:01] <spasticteapot> For some reason, laptop_mode is not running on my laptop.
[12:02] <jc-denton> yes but i guess it would work even less with feisty
[12:02] <Psi-Jack> Heya everyone. I tried, just earlier today, getting Ubuntu 7.10 RC running, and I had 2 problems. First try, was with an ATI X1600, and it was painfully sloooow, even with the latest official AMD ATI drivers. Next I tried with an older card, the nVidia 9200, and with nvidia-glx-new, it was pretty decently fast, but text consoles stopped working after X loaded. I tried nVidia's official driver, and it didn't get any better...
[12:02] <wastedfluid> I'm adding a new shortcut key for my laptop, but can anyone help me with the syntax for dcop kmix to increase / decrease volume?
[12:02] <jc-denton> so i could start it with the fglrx
[12:02] <Psi-Jack> Is this a problem just with 7.10, or would I experience the same trouble in 7.04 as well?
[12:02] <jc-denton> by stopping gdm and startx
[12:02] <alex_ajt> im having trouble getting the session to show up in gdm - I believe i have installed the correct packages - is there any additional tinkering needed?
[12:02] <AncientRelic> Psi-Jack: nVidia doesn't HAVE a 9200
[12:02] <jc-denton> but screen was black
[12:02] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: do you have l-r-m for the kernel you are booted to installed?
[12:02] <Psi-Jack> Err, Nvidia 6200 Sorry. ;)
[12:03] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: I don't know; how do I check
[12:03] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: I've only learned about the existance of lrm today
[12:03] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: do you still have the console output from when you installed nvidia-glx?
[12:04] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: just figured out what you meant (I thought you meant lrm-video)
[12:04] <spasticteapot> Is anyone here able to get laptop_mode to work?
[12:04] <gnomefreak> no but this looks weird
[12:05] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: Linux version 2.6.22-14-generic (buildd@vernadsky)
[12:05] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: ii  linux-restrict 2.6.22.4-14.8
[12:05] <gnomefreak> k
[12:05] <gnomefreak> im about to be disconnected i just heard from freenode :(
[12:05] <PirateHead> Can anybody here help me with a compiz config issue?
[12:05] <PirateHead> Sometimes Compiz changes when I use the GUI to configure it, but sometimes Compiz (and the GUI) refuses to reflect my changes.
[12:05] <Psi-Jack> Anyone with any ideas? I I like my ATI X1600, but I know even now, the drivers are going to be perfect, but getting only 2.5-4 fps in things like SecondLife was just bleh.
[12:05] <spasticteapot> Laptop mode disabled because /var/run/laptop-mode-enabled is missing.
[12:05] <gnomefreak> Psi-Jack: if compiz is on turn it off
[12:06] <AncientRelic> unrelated stupid question, how the heck do I turn tapping off of my trackpad?
[12:06] <jmg> should i run i810 or intel for my i910 with compiz?
[12:06] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: please try to install them again. sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx and use restricted-manager to install them
[12:06] <Psi-Jack> gnomefreak: compiz? ;)
[12:06] <gnomefreak> jmg: both work
[12:06] <gnomefreak> Psi-Jack: your on gutsy?
[12:06] <gnomefreak> Psi-Jack: yes compiz
[12:06] <Psi-Jack> gnomefreak: I was, earlier, yes.
[12:07] <jmg> gnomefreak: which is better? i notice defcon is extremely slow
[12:07] <gnomefreak> Psi-Jack: the issue you are having is on what system?
[12:07] <savvas> Psi-Jack:  from the menu system > preferences > appearance > visual effects
[12:07] <gnomefreak> jmg: honestly never used either in ubuntu
[12:07] <Psi-Jack> gnomefreak: This one. I'm in Windows at the moment, again. Since it was painfully too slow to use.
[12:07] <savvas> too slow?
[12:08] <savvas> Psi-Jack: did you by any chance add a usb device?
[12:08] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: I did, but in restricted manager it claimed to be installed
[12:08] <TreMobyl> just a sec
[12:08] <Psi-Jack> Yes. Even, quite literally, konsole was refreshing VERY slow.
[12:08] <Psi-Jack> savvas: Nope.
[12:08] <gnomefreak> Psi-Jack: ummmmmm ok well we cant really help too much if you are not using ubuntu (we give you commands you give us output) you know
[12:08] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: gonna reboot and then re-enable and then reboot
[12:08] <Psi-Jack> gnomefreak: I generally know Linux. I run it for servers all the time. LOL
[12:08] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: if im not here i will be back soon
[12:09] <gnomefreak> Psi-Jack: sorry i dont have applications on everyone and what they know ;)
[12:09] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: right
[12:09] <Psi-Jack> I just don't use Linux for my desktop systems, yet, but I'm wanting to. ;)
[12:09] <Psi-Jack> gnomefreak: It's cool. ;)
[12:09] <gnomefreak> savvas: how would you feel about taking all the graphics card issues tonight :)
[12:09] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:09] <savvas> AncientRelic: laptop? there are quite some bugs for lappies' trackpads and touchpads, try bugs.ubuntu.com and search for a bug
[12:09] <gnomefreak> brbr smoke and think if im running to store or not
[12:10] <Psi-Jack> gnomefreak: Is compiz on by default?
[12:10] <savvas> gnomefreak: negative, I have to go lie down, I stayed up all night yesterday :P
[12:10] <gnomefreak> Psi-Jack:   yes and no you neeed to check yours
[12:10] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm... Yes, and no? LOL
[12:10] <Psi-Jack> heh
[12:10] <gnomefreak> savvas: its all good i might not be here long either i took pain meds a bit ago and its kicking in
[12:11] <gnomefreak> Psi-Jack: intels for most part nvidia if you used restricted-manager some ati's same way some cards cant use it at all like intel 065
[12:11] <gnomefreak> oops 965
[12:11] <LEGO_Technic> hi guys
[12:11] <LEGO_Technic> I need help
[12:11] <LEGO_Technic> with upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy
[12:11] <chris__> is there an oxygen icon package for kde 3 in gutsy?
[12:11] <LEGO_Technic> how can I do it safely?
[12:12] <kbrooks> LEGO_Technic, use the command we gave in #ubuntu
[12:12] <bastid_raZor> LEGO_Technic: gksu "update-manager -c -d"
[12:12] <LEGO_Technic> no update-manager here
[12:12] <kbrooks> LEGO_Technic, ... as above
[12:12] <bastid_raZor> LEGO_Technic: type that in a terminal
[12:12] <LEGO_Technic> as I said I installed my Ubuntu in expert expert mode
[12:12] <AncientRelic> gnomefreak: 4 reboots and its still fine :)
[12:12] <kbrooks> LEGO_Technic, oh, um, kubuntu, well i suggest you ask #kubuntu
[12:12] <LEGO_Technic> darn
[12:13] <LEGO_Technic> I need to jump from channel to channel
[12:13] <Psi-Jack> gnomefreak: Hmmm.. Strange. Well, I don't /think/ compiz was enabled. I mean, I've seen compiz on a system before, watching windows "bounce" into place, and all. hehe
[12:13] <LEGO_Technic> but I think I'll get help soon
[12:13] <LEGO_Technic> bye
[12:13] <kbrooks> LEGO_Technic, sorry for the hassle
[12:13] <kbrooks> LEGO_Technic, my fault ;-)
[12:13] <bastid_raZor> LEGO_Technic:  kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[12:13] <LEGO_Technic> no adept_manager
[12:13] <LEGO_Technic> and no kdesu
[12:13] <LEGO_Technic> here
[12:13] <LEGO_Technic> I'm running as root
[12:13] <kbrooks> LEGO_Technic, huh?
[12:13] <bastid_raZor> LEGO_Technic: uh.. you have lost your mind
[12:13] <kbrooks> LEGO_Technic, sorry?
[12:13] <LEGO_Technic> thanks I know
[12:13] <Psi-Jack> LEGO_Technic: Bleh! Never run X as root!
[12:14] <LEGO_Technic> I know the risks bla bla bla
[12:14] <LEGO_Technic> come on jack me
[12:14] <Psi-Jack> It's not the risks. It's just plain farkin' stupid.
[12:14] <Psi-Jack> heh
[12:14] <unagi> is bluetooth support going to be better in gutsy?
[12:14] <bastid_raZor> LEGO_Technic: then just type all that without kdesu or gksu
[12:14] <LEGO_Technic> come one jack me then
[12:14] <kbrooks> LEGO_Technic, #kubuntu - go there. and no we wont jack you
[12:14] <LEGO_Technic> I'm already there
[12:14] <LEGO_Technic> but Gutsy support only in
[12:14] <LEGO_Technic> #ubuntu+1
[12:14] <kbrooks> bastid_raZor, HE HAS NO adept_manager
[12:15] <LEGO_Technic> should I go with this route or is it too risky:
[12:15] <kbrooks> LEGO_Technic, upgrade support is acceptable, but problems specific to gutsy are not acceptable in #kubuntu
[12:15] <bastid_raZor> kbrooks: how is that possible.
[12:15] <LEGO_Technic> sed -i 's/feisty/gutsy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:15] <LEGO_Technic> is that ok?
[12:18] <DanaG> Woah.
[12:19] <kbrooks> !netsplit
[12:19] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[12:20] <kbrooks> everyone: this channel netsplitted
[12:22] <markdarb> Hello all. I'm having problems with my sound card. The bug was reported (and supposedly fixed) quite a while ago at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/119266 but it's still not working. I'm a bit of a newb, so can't fix this for myself manually (there is a manual fix mentioned). Would anyone be able to have a look at the bug to see what's happening with it and tell me how to get the card working? I'm u
[12:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119266 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Intel HDA Sound device doesn't work in gutsy" [Low,Confirmed] 
[12:22] <Psi-Jack> Okay. Lets try this again. ;)
[12:22] <Psi-Jack> For ATI support. Is it better to use gutsy's packages, or ATI's official drivers?
[12:22] <LEGO_Technic> official
[12:23] <gnomefreak> Psi-Jack: depends if you want ubuntu support
[12:23] <Psi-Jack> gnomefreak: Heh. Ubuntu support, or community support? ;)
[12:23] <gnomefreak> Psi-Jack: if you want to beable to get support from ubuntu community you wan tto use ubuntu packages
[12:24] <Psi-Jack> gnomefreak: But, are they better? Cause, when I tried then, they were WAY worse.
[12:24] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: score
[12:24] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: however, I think I solved it via lobotomy
[12:24] <usser> Psi-Jack: depends on the model of video card and what u intend this card to do
[12:24] <Psi-Jack> Watching a triangular refresh pattern while X started up, in the ubuntu driver, was... Gutsy. ;)
[12:25] <usser> Psi-Jack: for heavy 3d gaming ati's driver would perform best
[12:25] <Psi-Jack> usser: X1600, play Second Life. That's it. That's really the only thing. :)
[12:25] <Psi-Jack> I don't play anything else. ;)
[12:25] <DanaG> Is there a way to replace my dsdt on the fly?
[12:25] <jc-denton> wow
[12:25] <jc-denton> !!
[12:25] <gnomefreak> Psi-Jack: depedns on what you mean better. the drivers at ati are the same that we have except maybe a different version
[12:25] <ubuntu_> hey
[12:25] <jc-denton> it seems to work now
[12:25] <DanaG> I know I can do it in the initramfs, but is there a faster way?
[12:25] <jc-denton> i had to run depmod
[12:25] <ubuntu_> I've got some major problems after I tried to upgrade to Gutsy
[12:25] <usser> Psi-Jack: on older cards oss driver will allow u to easily run compiz,
[12:25] <gnomefreak> Psi-Jack: we cant change the drivers from ati/nvidia and such
[12:25] <usser> Psi-Jack: get ati's driver
[12:26] <jc-denton> and also edit the file where you can disable manually restricted stuff
[12:26] <ubuntu_> during starting up, i keep getting " [xxx.xxxxxx]  sd 4:0:0:0 [sdb]  Bad block number requested
[12:26] <Psi-Jack> usser: Okay. As for overriding the Ubuntu ones, is there some process to do to make sure only ATI's official drivers get used?
[12:26] <ubuntu_> Even in emergency mode
[12:26] <ubuntu_> And I can't get anywhere
[12:26] <ubuntu_> Please help?
[12:26] <usser> Psi-Jack: in gutsy its pretty much a matter of a single click
[12:27] <cyclonut> ubuntu_: fsck?
[12:27] <Psi-Jack> usser: Yeah, I noticed the "Restricted Drivers" manager.
[12:27] <savvas`bday> see ya tomorrow, gnomefreak, I'm taking the day off :)
[12:27] <usser> Psi-Jack: that should do it
[12:27] <jc-denton> i thought that depmod is ran automatically by dpkg
[12:27] <ubuntu_> cyclonut: uhm, I'm a noob... give me some details?
[12:27] <gnomefreak> savvas`bday: have fun im out too :)
[12:27] <Psi-Jack> So, it's pretty much, that easy? I disable the restricted driver, and install the official driver?
[12:27] <jc-denton> if you install a kernel package
[12:27] <usser> Psi-Jack: no restricted driver IS ati's driver
[12:27] <Psi-Jack> Ahhhhhhhhh
[12:27] <usser> Psi-Jack: u enable it :)
[12:28] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: I moved lib/linux-restricted-modules to another name, and re-installed all of the restricted stuff.  :)
[12:28] <gnomefreak> savvas`bday: happy birthday?
[12:28] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: http://pastebin.com/d2da4ef28
[12:28] <TreMobyl> gnomefreak: that's the diff
[12:28] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: looking
[12:28] <cyclonut> ubuntu_: sudo touch /forcefsck
[12:28] <gnomefreak> TreMobyl: cool
[12:29] <Psi-Jack> Okaaay.. Well, I'm about to give this another clean go, then. *chuckles* This time I'll use Ubuntu's install, instead of Kubuntu. I've noticed some differences are present between those installations, so blah. ;)
[12:30] <usser> Psi-Jack: first time linux?
[12:30] <channel200> gnomefreak: can you offer some X configuration advice?
[12:30] <ubuntu_> cyclonut: and then reboot?
[12:30] <cyclonut> ubuntu_: yep
[12:30] <gnomefreak> channel200: im about to walk out the door
[12:30] <Psi-Jack> usser: Oh hell no. ;)
[12:30] <jc-denton> humm
[12:30] <Psi-Jack> usser: I just don't use Linux for desktop, ever. Server, been using it since back in Linux 1.x days.
[12:30] <jc-denton> but i could not enable compiz
[12:30] <channel200> anyone else able to help hand-configure X?
[12:30] <jc-denton> does compiz with GLX work out of the box?
[12:31] <ubuntu_> Ok, I'll try that
[12:31] <usser> Psi-Jack: wow, :)
[12:31] <ubuntu_> ta
[12:31] <markdarb> My snd-hda-intel sound card isn't working, as outlined at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/119266 Can anyone tell me how to get it working (the page mentions a manual fix, but I'm a bit of a newb so don't know how to do it)
[12:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119266 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Intel HDA Sound device doesn't work in gutsy" [Low,Confirmed] 
[12:31] <Psi-Jack> But, the way Vista's gone (no, I don't use Vista), if I can do it, I want to get away from MS completely, even for desktop. LOL
[12:32] <jc-denton> lol
[12:32] <jc-denton> so i go to bed now
[12:32] <Psi-Jack> Alright, off to reboot land. Be back later. :)
[12:32] <jc-denton> thx for help
[12:33] <jhaig> I have just tried a reinstall of the RC, the first install having not completed.  I think, however, that this second attempt has also not completed as (a) /target has not been unmounted and (b) I have not been given the option to reboot or continue.  However, the installer has exited.  Can anyone help?
[12:34] <jhaig> The last time, grub hadn't been installed or configured properly so it would not boot.
[12:34] <pvandewyngaerde> mine is stuck at contacting mirror
[12:35] <jhaig> pvandewyngaerde: How can you tell?
[12:36] <frostburn> how does the xorg-server automatically generate modelines?
[12:36] <wastedfluid> jhaig: I waited for about two hours after removing unnecessary packages.. I never got a "reboot" or anything, either.
[12:37] <DanaG> Hmm, which is better behavior for display brightness: round down, or round up?
[12:38] <DanaG> If the levels 75, 83, and 100 exist, and you set 90, which should apply .... 83 or 100?
[12:38] <DanaG> It's a subjective thing, but I can't decide.
[12:38] <pvandewyngaerde> it's at 82 for half an hour now
[12:38] <pvandewyngaerde> percent, and kubuntu that is
[12:40] <ubuntu_> cyclonut: that didn't help at all, sadly
[12:40] <pvandewyngaerde> can i force to skip this step and continue ?
[12:40] <ubuntu_> I should add that I think that maybe lvm is to blame?  I had to mess with that during the upgrade process....
[12:41] <cyclonut> ubuntu_: did it run fsck?
[12:41] <ubuntu_> I don't think so
[12:41] <DanaG> Hooray for having to hack at my DSDT to fix brightness control.
[12:41] <cyclonut> ubuntu_: do a search on making fsck run
[12:42] <cyclonut> ubuntu_ it sounds like your file system is corrupted. That should verify/fix for you
[12:42] <ubuntu_> ok..
[12:42] <alex_mayorga> hello all, anyone with a Logitech diNovo Bluetooth Laser keyb/mouse set?
[12:44] <markdarb> Hello. How would I go about unloading a sound card driver and reloading it with different parameters? The driver is snd-hda-intel and I'm trying to follow some advice at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/119266 but don't know how.
[12:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119266 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Intel HDA Sound device doesn't work in gutsy" [Low,Confirmed] 
[12:52] <Aondo> anyone done some testing with 2.6.22-14-rt? with what kind of resaults?
[12:55] <tbf> is there a way to get the list of packages update-manager wants to fetch for a dist-upgrade?
[12:55] <ubuntu_> cyclops fsck finds no complaints on my hd
[12:56] <alex_mayorga> tbf, do it on the command line sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[12:56] <tbf> alex_mayorga: ok, reading now what safe-upgrade does
[12:59] <DanaG> Yay, I fixed my brightness control.
[12:59] <alex_mayorga> !logitech
[12:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about logitech - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:59] <DanaG> I had to hack at my DSDT to do it, though.
[12:59] <alex_mayorga> !dinovo
[12:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dinovo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:59] <DanaG> For fancy mice, use evdev.
[01:00] <DanaG> That's a term you can search for.
[01:00] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, can you please elaborate?
[01:00] <alex_mayorga> thanks in advance
[01:00] <DanaG> As long as you don't have a USB Touchpad, you can use the entry as in my xorg.conf:
[01:00] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[01:00] <DanaG> Don't copy the whole thing; just the input device stuff.
[01:01] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, isn't there a nice GUI for that yet?
[01:03] <DanaG> Unfortunately, there isn't one that'll use evdev.
[01:03] <DanaG> The bus-id thing makes evdev grab any and all USB devices, so be careful if you have a USB keyboard.  I'm not sure how that will affect it.
[01:03] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, how about the volume +/- buttons on my kbd, they used to work
[01:04] <DanaG> That can be fixed through the keyboard preferences app.
[01:04] <DanaG> Set the layout to something that sounds similar in name.'
[01:04] <bqmassey> i'd like four desktops.. each with it's own set of desktop icons and opened programs and each with the same top toolbar/system tray
[01:04] <bqmassey> i can do that, right?
[01:05] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, I have selected the exact name of my kbd, but it still won't work. file bug?
[01:06] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, I guess it's all part of bug 123920
[01:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123920 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Bluetooth Keyboard/Mouse won't work in LiveCD" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123920
[01:07] <alex_mayorga> how can I get live people to help me chase a confirmed bug "in real time" ?
[01:07] <sinX_> hey peoples, I'
[01:07] <alex_mayorga> sinX_, hi
[01:07] <sinX_> Hey peoples, I'm wondering how to set vlc as my universal media player?
[01:08] <bqmassey> i'd like four desktops.. each with it's own set of desktop icons and opened programs and each with the same top toolbar/system tray
[01:08] <bqmassey> i can do that, right?
[01:09] <DanaG> WIth the USB keyboard, the worst that could happen would be the layout getting screwed up; in that case, just revert to a backed-up version of xorg.conf.
[01:10] <sinX_> bqmassey: do you have Advanced desktop settings installed?
[01:10] <bqmassey> sinX_: yep
[01:11] <bqmassey> im confused.. igot switched to desktop four using the icons in the lower right of desktop one.. and then had a blank white screen.. with no way to get back
[01:12] <sinX_> try alt + ctrl + left arrow
[01:12] <sinX_> or middle click your mouse on tyour desktop
[01:13] <DanaG> Oh, I just soooo love having to hack at my ACPI DSDT.
[01:13] <DanaG> I wonder if I can add levels...
[01:14] <sinX_> ok does anyone know how to replace totem with VLC?
[01:15] <sinX_> I mean VLC with Totem...lol...(up late laste night)
[01:16] <silent[ca] > my machine boots into command line (I installed base ubuntu), but it will crash at random times during use. I believe this to be an incompatibility with my screen and/or system logging/console logging. The system completely locks up
[01:16] <sinX_> ANyone know how to make VLC the default media player???
[01:17] <silent[ca] > The issue could be remedied by adding the vga=0x317 flag to the boot options, but this option no longer works for some reason. If some one can provide me with an alternate fix I'd be grateful