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filthpigthe timezones are messed up01:21
Moduliz0rheh01:21
USMarinealex_mayorga: also do after sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals --composite -d 2401:21
alex_mayorgaChaosParser, any "automatic" way?01:21
StevethepirateChaosParser: like, no /dev/dsp, no /proc/asound, no audio in general01:21
ChaosParseralex_mayorga: Not if the proper resolution isn't listed under screen resolution, no.01:21
DemizeGusty is awesome.01:21
USMarineyou don't need guts with gutsy01:22
alex_mayorgaChaosParser, let me try, hope I'll not worsen it01:22
ChaosParseralex_mayorga: its really simple, I promise.01:22
filthpigthe ubuntu installer says london/UK is GMT+1 and Central Europe is +2, but London -is- GMT, and central europe is gmt+101:22
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USMarinealex_mayorga: back it up before you edit it01:22
FrankHis anyone having trouble with the master volume control in gutsy?01:22
DemizeGusty is great without sound/etc/modules.01:22
Demize...01:22
DemizeNo idea why that happened...01:22
ChaosParserFrankH: Nope.01:22
StevethepirateChaosParser: any ideas?01:23
savvasStevethepirate: cat /etc/modules01:23
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FrankHi'm using an intel sound card with a conextant chip01:23
filthpigigh, I'm in windows01:23
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FrankHthe volume is full blast all the time01:23
savvasStevethepirate: do you see snd-hda-intel there?01:23
Stevethepirateno, fuse and lp01:24
alex_mayorgaUSMarine, what about dpkg-reconfigure something01:24
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savvasStevethepirate: sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel01:24
savvasStevethepirate: alsamixer01:24
USMarinealex_mayorga: try that01:24
StevethepirateFATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found.01:24
savvashm01:24
USMarinebut don't use something01:24
alex_mayorgaUSMarine, what would be something?01:24
Stevethepiratealsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device01:25
USMarinerather xserver-xorg01:25
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alex_mayorgaChaosParser, on the file you mentioned I see my card as Failsafe Device, is that right?01:25
ChaosParseralex_mayorga: Don't actually worry about the contents of the file other than the resolutions.  anywhere you see resolutions listed, just put the one you want in front of them in the same format.01:26
savvasStevethepirate: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto?highlight=%28hda%2901:26
FrankHStevethepirate:  that didn't work01:27
USMarinealex_mayorga: sudo nvidia-xconfig --mode=1600x120001:28
FrankHchecking website01:28
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USMarinesudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals --composite -d 24  nvidia-xconfig --mode=1600x120001:29
USMarineoops01:29
USMarinesudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals --composite -d 24  --mode=1600x120001:29
alex_mayorgaUSMarine, would that be the same as ChaosParser suggest?01:29
savvasFrankH: you mean recompiling alsa?01:29
FrankHthis card worked with the previous two releases of ubuntu. not sure why it doesn't work now.01:29
ChaosParseralex_mayorga: Nope.  What I said is safer.01:29
USMarinealex_mayorga: nop, you could break xorg easier by doing what he said01:30
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ChaosParseroh please.  one resolution is hardly going to break xorg.01:30
ChaosParserAnd its not like its hard to fix.01:30
ChaosParseralex_mayorga: wanna just pastebin the entirety of your xorg?01:31
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alex_mayorgaChaosParser, of course, why not01:31
alex_mayorga!pastebin01:31
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)01:31
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Moduliz0ri have an idea for the ubuntu pastebin service01:32
nzerok01:32
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Moduliz0rwhen you post something, it could automatically post in the channel that <theirname> has posted something to the pastebin at <url to post>01:32
alex_mayorgaChaosParser, actually I can attach it to this bug 146706 if you thin it's useful01:32
ubotuLaunchpad bug 146706 in xorg "[Gutsy Beta]  Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14670601:32
Moduliz0rthey do that in the Free Pascal room01:32
Moduliz0rchannel*01:33
nzerocould become troublesome01:33
nzeroflood the channel01:33
Moduliz0rit doesn't seem to get abused at freepascal01:33
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savvasStevethepirate: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-ubuntu-modules-`uname -r`01:33
PSPJunkieWas directed here :D01:33
PSPJunkie[19:32]  <PSPJunkie> Hey, I run they gutsy beta on my macbook, and it ran fine until i let adept_update update my comp, and now it doesn't want to charge.01:33
PSPJunkie[19:32]  <PSPJunkie> Anyone know a fix?01:33
PSPJunkie(Why type it twice, right?)01:33
Stevethepiratesavvas: wait a sec01:33
ChaosParseralex_mayorga: Did you have absolutely no graphics wit the live cd?01:34
Moduliz0ryay updates finished01:34
savvasStevethepirate: oh, you're trying the alsa compilation? do try it, i think that works for the most of you01:34
Stevethepiratesavvas: yeah.. asking a #alsa dude is a long shot though :P01:34
nzeroman i am having major graphics issues all of a sudden01:34
alex_mayorgaChaosParser, I'm actually seeing other bug I think, my video used to work flawlessly on Tribe 5, but latest updates broke it :(01:34
alex_mayorgaI didn't used the live cd, just aptitude dist-upgrade, but is the exact same card01:35
savvasStevethepirate: you have the info on the wiki help site I pasted before01:35
ChaosParseralex_mayorga: I'd hardly call a minor resolution issue broken.... unless there are other issues?01:35
Moduliz0rwhy do I have Desktop twice in my Places menu?01:35
nzerowait this a global bug thing01:35
Stevethepiratesavvas: yeah.. i'll look at that.. rather trying the human support first here..01:35
Stevethepiratedon't wanna screw something up01:35
nzeromy broken X system will heal from updates01:36
alex_mayorgalet say that almost anything is usable at 800*600 nowadays01:36
alex_mayorgaModuliz0r, known bug01:36
savvasStevethepirate: well ok, if you're not doing anything else, at least try reinstall the modules, the --reinstall command I said previously01:37
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Stevethepirateyeah01:37
Moduliz0rok01:37
Stevethepiratedone that01:37
Stevethepirateget an error01:37
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Stevethepiratei'll pastebin it01:37
savvasStevethepirate: ok waiting :)01:37
alex_mayorgaModuliz0r, bug 12260201:37
ubotuLaunchpad bug 122602 in gnome-panel "Duplicated entries in Places Menu" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12260201:37
Moduliz0rwill updates fix it?01:37
savvasno updates will fix you!01:38
Moduliz0roh01:38
Stevethepiratesavvas: http://pastebin.ca/73363801:38
Moduliz0ryeah^^01:38
Moduliz0rjust read what the bot said :P01:38
alex_mayorgaModuliz0r, don't know, I've pulled every update minutes ago and I still see the duplicates01:38
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Moduliz0rhmm01:38
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DM|anyone else ever experience a vfat USB HDD suddenly turning read only?01:39
savvasStevethepirate: sudo apt-get install timidity && sudo apt-get -f install01:39
FrankHStevethepirate:  when i adjust the PCM in alsamixer that works01:40
schwizsomeone jsut referred me here.  I am having problems getting ubuntu installed.  when i load the 7.04 cd I get the boot menu but when i select install/live I just get a blank screen even if I select gui safe mode.  So someone told me to try 7.10 but when I try that it can't see my RAID array it only sees 3 seperate disks01:40
wimsanyone know any compiz fusion repositories for gutsy ?01:40
alex_mayorgaChaosParser, USMarine, so how do I go about getting a better resolution for my video?01:40
mc44wims: it comes with compiz fusion...01:40
wimsoh ok01:40
Stevethepiratesavvas: same error01:40
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Moduliz0r"Not all updates can be installed"01:40
Moduliz0r?01:40
alex_mayorgaschwiz, it might be you need the alternate disk01:41
Moduliz0rPartial Upgrade?01:41
Moduliz0rwhats going on01:41
savvasStevethepirate: sudo dpkg --configure timidity01:41
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savvasModuliz0r: you're being terrorized by updates01:41
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Moduliz0rOH GOD01:41
schwizraid install disk?  where can I find that?01:41
Moduliz0rwhat do i do!?01:41
Stevethepiratesavvas: same errors01:41
savvasModuliz0r: you partial upgrade, reboot, and install the rest :p01:41
Moduliz0rok01:41
ChaosParseralex_mayorga: just edit the xorg.01:42
ChaosParseralex_mayorga: it really takes less than 2 minutes to fix.01:42
DM|Anyone know what mount option i should put in nautillus to have a USB HDD to mount under a non root group id01:42
Stevethepiratesavvas: like, won't dpkg01:42
savvasStevethepirate: were you... installing/reinstall alsa or something?01:43
Stevethepiratedist-upgrade01:43
Stevethepirateto gutsy01:43
robinsonrunning Gutsy Kubuntu on my laptop. For volume control, the master channel has no effect on volume, but PCM does.. How do i fix this?01:43
robinsonor, how can i map the laptop volume buttons to control the PCM channel instead?01:43
FrankHrobinson:  same problem01:43
robinsonseems to be an Alsa problem..01:43
robinsonrunning alsamixer in the console yields the same results01:44
robinsondoes it do the same in Ubnutu/GNome?01:44
savvasStevethepirate: your apt is broken :\01:44
FrankHrobinson:  did you have the same problem in feisty?01:44
Stevethepiratesavvas: lies :P01:44
Stevethepiratewell.01:44
robinsonFrankH: no, worked fine01:44
Stevethepiratelet me remove timidity01:44
Stevethepirateand reget it?01:44
savvasStevethepirate: sudo dpkg -r timidity01:44
FrankHme too01:45
savvasStevethepirate: try :)01:45
Stevethepirateokay01:45
Stevethepiratenow?01:45
savvassure01:45
Moduliz0rsteam wont believe Cedega that I'm running XP :(01:45
FrankHcan we get a bug report filed for this?01:45
robinsonFrankH: i have located the xmodmap file that tells the volume buttons what to do, but i dont know what to change the entries to for PCM to be affteced01:45
savvaswe have 5 more minutes till I crash01:45
Stevethepiratesudo apt-get install timidity?01:45
aaroncampbellHow can I tell KDE to use 1680x1050 for my monitor?  I have an ATI card01:45
boris55will the 3d effects be on the live cd or do I need to intall?01:46
Moduliz0ri'll be back in a bit01:46
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Stevethepiratesavvas: same error now01:46
savvasStevethepirate: try again: sudo apt-get -f install01:46
alex_mayorgaChaosParser, this is the only line that seems a resolution in there Modes"800x600"01:46
Stevethepiratefail01:46
Stevethepirateshould i try a new mirror quick?01:46
Stevethepirateor something01:46
savvashrm..01:47
alex_mayorgaChaosParser, where do I add the new one, please excuse my lack of knowledge on all this01:47
ChaosParseralex_mayorga: so throw the resolution you want in front of it.01:47
ChaosParserex:01:47
Stevethepiratesavvas: is that a yes/no?01:47
savvasStevethepirate: apt-cache policy timidity01:47
ChaosParserModes "1024x768" "800x600"01:47
alex_mayorgaOKy01:47
ChaosParseralex_mayorga: Then save, and restart your xserver with a ctrl+alt_backspace01:47
StevethepirateInstalled: 2.13.2-15ubuntu101:48
Stevethepirate  Candidate: 2.13.2-15ubuntu101:48
Stevethepirate  Version table:01:48
Stevethepirate *** 2.13.2-15ubuntu1 001:48
Stevethepirate        500 http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za gutsy/universe Packages01:48
Stevethepirate        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status01:48
savvasit's ok01:48
Stevethepirateso, what does that entail?01:48
alex_mayorgaChaosParser, restarting, thanks, let see how it goes01:48
savvasStevethepirate: try again: sudo dpkg -r timidity-interfaces-extra01:48
Stevethepiratedone that01:49
Stevethepiratenow?01:49
savvasStevethepirate: no errors? continue: sudo dpkg -r timidity01:49
Stevethepirateoka01:49
Stevethepirateboth removed01:49
Stevethepiratenow?01:49
savvasStevethepirate: sudo apt-get -f install01:49
robinsonFrankH: looks like a bug report is filed01:49
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robinsonhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/alsa-driver/+bug/14962201:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 149622 in alsa-driver "Only PCM volume control takes effect" [Unknown,In progress] 01:50
FrankHrobinson:  cool01:50
robinsond@mn, that was cool01:50
Stevethepiratesavvas: mustn't i re apt-get timidity?01:50
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robinsonthat guy even has my exact model of laptop01:50
savvasStevethepirate: if it wants it, it will ask for it01:50
FrankHthanks for your help Stevethepirate and robinson01:50
StevethepirateFrankH: me?01:50
alex_mayorgaChaosParser, didn't help I'm back at 800*600 :(01:51
Stevethepiratei haven't helped.01:51
Stevethepiratebut okaty01:51
FrankHalsa problem01:51
savvasStevethepirate: well?01:51
alex_mayorgaChaosParser, thank you anyway01:51
FrankHlater01:51
savvassorry to rush you, but I'm a bit tired, I'd like to get this done and go :)01:52
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PSPJunkieWell, if anyone knows why the macbook won't charge, i'd appreciate it, i know you guys are busy01:52
ChaosParseralex_mayorga: that's... odd, I'm sorry.01:52
alex_mayorgaPSPJunkie, do you have the latest updates01:53
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ChaosParseralex_mayorga: Pastebin your xorg?01:53
PSPJunkiealex_mayorga: I have the first beta installed. charging was fine until i let adept get all the updates01:53
Stevethepiratesavvas: still no sound.01:54
Stevethepirate:(01:54
savvasStevethepirate: who cares about the sound! i'm fixing your apt! :p01:54
alex_mayorgaPSPJunkie, do  sudo aptitude update and then sudo aptitude dist-upgrade01:54
savvasStevethepirate: no errors in the apt-get -f install ?01:55
alex_mayorgaPSPJunkie, I saw a bunch of ACPI updates lately01:55
Stevethepiratesavvas: no problems any more01:55
Stevethepiratehowever01:55
Stevethepiratestill no sound01:55
PSPJunkieOkay, thanks01:55
savvasStevethepirate: try again: sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel01:55
Stevethepiratei'll come back tomorrow01:55
MasterShrekPSPJunkie, i got the psp toolchain installed finally :)01:55
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PSPJunkieNice :D01:55
Stevethepiratesavvas: that returns nothing01:56
PSPJunkieLet me know if you need help01:56
savvas;)01:56
MasterShreknow i gotta figure out how to use it, things dont like to compile for me01:56
savvasStevethepirate: alsamixer01:56
Stevethepiratewtf01:56
Stevethepiratewtf01:56
Stevethepiratenow alsamixer works01:56
Stevethepiratenice01:56
Stevethepiratenice01:56
Stevethepiratenice01:56
savvasStevethepirate: press ESCAPE :p01:56
alex_mayorgaChaosParser, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40318/01:56
PSPJunkieMasterShrek: Can you compile any of the samples?01:56
savvasStevethepirate: gksu gedit /etc/modules01:56
PSPJunkieMasterShrek: Rather, answer that in #psp-programming xD01:57
savvasStevethepirate: add this in a new line: snd-hda-intel01:57
StevethepirateNo suitable demux plugin. This often means that the file format is not supported.01:57
Stevethepirateokay01:57
Stevethepirateadded01:57
savvasStevethepirate: add one more empty line01:57
savvassave & exit01:57
Stevethepirateokay01:57
Stevethepiratedone01:57
Stevethepiratenow, demux?01:58
Stevethepirate"No suitable demux plugin. This often means that the file format is not supported."01:58
savvasStevethepirate: reboot that machine01:58
Stevethepirateget that in amarok01:58
Stevethepirateokay01:58
Stevethepiratebrb01:58
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Moduliz0rhow do I bring up the main compiz config?01:59
savvasif I got $1 for each person I helped, I'd be a millionnaire :p01:59
alex_mayorgasavvas, It'll come, eventually01:59
Moduliz0rif I got 1 for each person I'd annoyed, I'd be a billionaire01:59
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Moduliz0rif it's compiz fusion, how do I get my magically nice themes up?02:01
savvasyou mean emerald?02:01
Moduliz0ryeh02:01
Stevethepiratesavvas: okay, back02:01
savvasStevethepirate: sudo apt-get install lame vorbis-tools flac ffmpeg liblame002:02
savvas(yeah lame ;p)02:02
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savvasModuliz0r: there's emerald-themes, only emerald package I'm afraid02:02
Moduliz0rok02:03
savvasModuliz0r: there's no* :)02:03
Stevethepiratesavvas:02:03
Stevethepirateokay done02:03
Moduliz0rdo you know how I get my compiz config gui open?02:03
Moduliz0ri dont know all my hotkeys, etc02:03
savvasStevethepirate: close and restart amarok and try play your files02:03
StevethepirateNo suitable demux plugin. This often means that the file format is not supported.02:04
savvasStevethepirate: ubuntu or kubuntu?02:04
Stevethepirateamarok seems to think its using xine as decoder02:04
Stevethepirateubuntu02:04
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savvasStevethepirate: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-gl gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse02:05
Stevethepirateoh02:05
Stevethepiratethats whu02:05
Stevethepirate*why02:05
Stevethepiratei had gstreamer 802:05
savvaslet's hope so02:05
Stevethepiratelol @ the package names..02:06
Stevethepirate-ugly02:06
Stevethepirate0bad02:06
Stevethepirate*-bad02:06
Stevethepiratelols02:06
savvashey, don't mock them! :P they are ugly open-source-wise! :P02:06
Stevethepiratelol02:06
Stevethepirateldconfig taking its sweet time.02:06
savvasModuliz0r: the config's not installed by default02:06
Moduliz0rwhat package is the config?02:07
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bastid_raZorStevethepirate: ever get your monitor working correctly? resolution that is?02:07
savvasModuliz0r: compizconfig-settings-manager02:07
Moduliz0rthanks02:07
savvasn/p :)02:07
megaqwertyreally quick question. In Pidgin, where is Direct Connect located?02:07
savvasbastid_raZor: yeah he fixed it, now we're fixing the sound ;p02:07
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bastid_raZorsavvas: awesome. seems him and i both had similiar issues with different fixes.02:08
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savvasbastid_raZor: you don't want to see the log :P02:08
sonic_Having issues burning with k3b in gutsy.  Im trying to burn an ISO and I keep getting "Cdrecord has no permission to open device"02:08
Stevethepiratesavvas: same error02:08
bastid_raZorsavvas: heh02:09
pestilencethe brightness and crt/lcd function button combos stopped working for me in gutsy.  any ideas on how to get them working again?02:09
savvasStevethepirate: try play the files in totem02:09
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megaqwertysonic_: you need to open k3b as root i.e. gksudo k3b02:09
robinsonsonic: had the same problem trying to burn an audio cd02:09
sonic_well that doesnt sound like a very prefferable solution02:10
StevethepirateAudio codec 'MPEG 1 Layer 3 VBR' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies02:10
savvaswhaaa02:10
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robinsonmegaqwerty: didnt have that problem in feisty02:10
megaqwertyrobinson: *shrugs* I did02:10
sonic_Ive been using k3b fine since edgy02:10
robinsonthey need to add "k3bsetup"02:10
Stevethepiratesonic_: try nero linux 3 :P02:10
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savvasStevethepirate: sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg libxine1-plugins02:10
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sonic_I did remove evms cause I was having cpu hogging issues and swap wasnt loading02:11
sonic_could that be a cause02:11
Stevethepiratevictory02:11
savvasfinally!02:11
Stevethepirateubotu: +1 savvas02:11
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about 1 savvas - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi02:11
sinX_so, if I have gutsy beta, do I now have RC?02:11
Stevethepiratesighs02:12
sonic_and no. I have no interest in nero.  Ive been using k3b since red hat 7.1.  I happen to love it02:12
savvaslol02:12
Stevethepiratethe sound actually -sounds- better02:12
Stevethepiratelike seriously02:12
savvasyeah, the no sound experience is bad :p02:12
Stevethepirateno02:12
Stevethepiratelike, i'm listening on my B&W's02:12
savvasStevethepirate: next time you break the apt, I'll personally come and kill you! :p02:12
Stevethepirateand its hot :P02:12
Stevethepiratesavvas: i think its our local mirror that is f**ked02:13
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Stevethepiratesavvas: B&W speakers + Yamaha amp >> *02:13
Stevethepiratewait02:13
Stevethepiratei missed something02:13
savvasStevethepirate: hm.. well change to another one, uk.archive.ubuntu.com has been very good to me02:13
pestilencewhat i'd like to know is how you get sound in black and white.02:13
Stevethepiratesavvas: this mirror is local for me..02:13
Stevethepirate[i'm at university] 02:13
Stevethepirateso, we own leg.uct.ac.za02:14
Stevethepirate:P02:14
stdinsonic_: what does "ls -l /dev/dvd" show?02:14
savvasoooh...02:14
savvas:\02:14
tonyyarussoSo, I just upgraded to Gutsy, and I want to mess with desktop effects stuff, which I just enabled.  However, I can't figure out what I need to press to activate the 'scale' plugin, nor how to find a nice interface for configuring options.02:14
savvasgimme gimme!02:14
savvaslol02:14
Stevethepiratesavvas: the thing is.. i think i was part way though a dist-upgrade when they were updating server02:14
Stevethepiratethats what i rate02:14
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lee__Hello02:14
sonic_stdin: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-10-11 16:06 /dev/dvd -> scd002:14
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savvasStevethepirate: probably, that's why update-manager -d is not a good idea :)02:14
Stevethepiratelols02:14
Stevethepirateu from england?02:15
Stevethepirate[guessing from the mirror] 02:15
savvasno, serbia :p02:15
stdinsonic_: that's ok, now what about "ls -l /dev/scd0" ?02:15
Stevethepirateluls02:15
Stevethepirateze Russians ?02:15
Stevethepirate:P02:15
savvasthe rs. mirrors are 1-2 weeks behind02:15
lee__how do we chance the text size?02:15
sonic_stdin: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2007-10-11 11:06 /dev/scd002:15
savvasI'm serbian / cypriot actually02:15
Stevethepiratehmm02:15
Stevethepirateinteresting02:15
savvasI study here though, so I use this nationality :P02:15
StevethepirateLols02:15
alex_mayorgatonyyarusso, sudo aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager02:16
megaqwertyreally quick question. In Pidgin, where is Direct Connect located?02:16
Stevethepiratesavvas: my dads visiting belgrade next week..02:16
alex_mayorgasavvas, want another cookie? :)02:16
tonyyarussoalex_mayorga: thanks, I'll try that.02:16
stdinsonic_: so far so good, "ls -l /usr/bin/wodim"02:16
Stevethepiratefor some random reason :P02:16
Stevethepirateanyways02:17
sonic_stdin: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 359116 2007-09-16 17:17 /usr/bin/wodim02:17
Stevethepiratei'm broken02:17
savvasalex_mayorga: can it wait? :P what's the problem?02:17
Stevethepirate15 hours of linux-fixing and coding...02:17
alex_mayorgatonyyarusso, then System > Prefs> Adfvanced Desktop Effects02:17
Stevethepiraterapage02:17
robinsonsonic: so far, all my stuff has been the same as yours too02:17
sonic_stdin: could me removing evms have any impact?02:17
lee__woa this is cool02:17
stdinsonic_: there's the problem... it's got the wrong permissions02:17
robinsonwhat is evms?02:17
savvaslol Stevethepirate :) enjoy your system ;)02:17
alex_mayorgasavvas, I'm stuck at 800*60002:17
Stevethepiratesavvas: speak laters02:17
lee__let me guess right after the update right?02:18
megaqwertynevermind. My friend doesn't have the functionality which is why the option didn't show up02:18
savvasalex_mayorga: screens & graphics or screen resolution don't work?02:18
stdinsonic_: do "sudo chmod u+s /usr/bin/wodim"02:18
stdinthen try k3b again02:18
lee__I just found the text and fonts where oyu can minuplate the text and fonts and change em to different chars lol didn't know that you could do that with this thing02:19
sonic_stdin: ok.  Ive never heard of wodim02:19
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stdinsonic_: it's the replacement for cdrecord02:19
thesporeWell, not sure what happened but I just restarted and my resolution is stuck at 640x480, xorg.conf looks fine02:19
robinsonstdin: what does that command do? I assume it alters permissions on the file, but what are the u+s switches for?02:19
thesporenvidia drivers are enabled02:19
savvasalex_mayorga: ?02:20
alex_mayorgaI see graphics, but only at 800*600 def02:20
savvasah02:20
bastid_raZorsavvas: your the resolution king~!02:20
stdinrobinson: u+s = suid02:20
alex_mayorgasavvas, my xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40318/02:20
bastid_raZoryour== you're02:20
sonic_stdin:  ahh ok.  what was the default in fiesty.  cdrecord or wodim?02:20
lee__oops gutsy is missing its pcm contol02:20
stdinsonic_: wodim iirc02:20
savvasalex_mayorga: no i meant go to the menu: system > administration > screens & graphics and try change it there02:21
sonic_stdin: ok, well Im removing cdrecord then because I installed it trying to fix this issue02:21
stdinsonic_: yep, the package cdrecord is a dummy package for wodim02:21
sonic_stdin: ok, so its transitional I can remove it yes?02:21
lee__wodim?02:21
lee__eh is thtin the update or?02:21
savvashm.. failsafe..02:22
sonic_stdin: cdrecord that is02:22
thesporeanyone know why I'm stuck at 640x480?  Nvidia drivers enabled and xorg.conf looks okay02:22
savvasbastid_raZor: thanks :p02:22
savvasthespore: can you paste you xorg.conf?02:22
savvas!paste | thespore02:22
thesporesavvas, sure02:22
ubotuthespore: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)02:22
stdinsonic_: you probably want to keep it02:22
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lee__its happening to all of us with the gutsy disk02:22
thesporesavvas, yeah i know ;)02:22
sonic_stdin: well it wasnt installed by default. I just added it while I was troubleshooting02:23
stdinsonic_: it has a link from /usr/bin/cdrecord to /usr/bin/wodim (some apps will need this)02:23
savvasthespore: I'm just helping alex_mayorga, I want to compare, you have similar problem02:23
lee__after upgrading it takes everyhting away02:23
sonic_stdin: interesting02:23
thesporesavvas, ah okay02:23
thesporehttp://www.pastebin.org/464202:23
alex_mayorgasavvas, 800*600 is as good as it gets there02:23
stdinsonic_: you said on feisty, and on feisty is it02:23
lee__it happend to me right after I upgraded02:23
alex_mayorgathespore, what card you've got?02:24
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lee__well at least that is my thory02:24
Moduliz0rhow do I pair a bluetooth device? such as a headset?02:24
darkzerohey all02:24
thesporenvidia geforce fx 550002:24
lee__ati x30002:24
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stdinsonic_: it's a bit different in gutsy, I'd recommend doing "sudo apt-get --purge remove cdrecord" and "sudo apt-get --reinstall install wodim"02:24
lee__I was able to change modes the screen modes but refresh reates were stuck in 60 mhz02:25
savvasalex_mayorga: you have a laptop?02:25
darkzeroAnyone here know a fix to totem-xine where it shows a green bar line during video play02:25
robinsonstdin: had to reboor after an update, did i miss anything important regarding k3b?02:25
thesporeIn screens and graphics it let's me choose between 640x480 and 320x240.. but 320x240 is not defined in xorg.conf02:25
megaqwertydarkzero: I just had that a while ago. Hold on02:25
robinsonlast thing i did was add u+s to wodim02:25
alex_mayorgasavva, yes, but it's hocked up to my LCD TV, because the LCD on it is broken :(02:25
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Moduliz0rdoes the bluetooth "network service" let others use the net through you?02:26
tsbUpgrading to gutsy from feisty is a simple s/feisty/gutsy in the official repos in sources.list && dist-upgrade right?02:26
alex_mayorgasavva, let me restart X, I've changed the display to the LCD02:26
stdinrobinson: just that the package cdrecord seems to stop it working02:26
robinsonis this installed by default?02:26
megaqwertydarkzero: I did a couple things, I'm not sure which one fixed it... I restarted compiz, and then tried running totem from a terminal. Afterwards, it worked perfectly02:26
savvasalex_mayorga: ok02:27
thesporetsb, should if you are only using the official repos02:27
robinsonnevermind, i dont have it installed02:27
megaqwertydarkzero: after that, I could run totem regularly without any problems02:27
alex_mayorgasavvas, you can get to thespore now ;)02:27
stdintsb: that's not the best way02:27
tsbthespore: sure, I have a few like for skype etc, but..02:27
savvasI think I'll be going to my bed :p02:27
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tsbstdin: why not?02:27
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alex_mayorgabut definitely the latest updates shoot nvidia legacy cards on the foot02:27
stdintsb: because you won't get everything like that02:27
thesporesavvas, gonna leave me hangin? noooooo!02:27
darkzero<megaqwerty>ok, let see I can tried it02:27
stdintsb: you on kubuntu?02:28
tsbstdin: Does adept do something magic? Isn't it justa clicky-click fromtend for apt-get?02:28
tsbstdin: yep02:28
stdintsb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f5202:28
robinsonhow can i set a default wireless network in KnetworkManager? i have read and asked, but it ALWAYS connects to my public network. I want my private network to be default02:28
Moduliz0raww compiz just stopped working02:28
stdintsb: adept installs package apt won'r02:28
stdinwon't02:28
robinsoni have moved my publix network to untrusted, and it just moves right back02:28
MasterShrekstdin, how so?02:28
savvasthespore: try remove the last two resolutions02:28
tsbstdin: okay. I actually tried adept, it crashed and burned02:28
stdinMasterShrek: it installs recommends02:28
lee__lol I got cdrecord pakage not installed lol02:28
tsbstdin: adept_manager right?02:28
thesporesavvas, how do i go about that?02:28
MasterShrekyes tsb02:29
darkzero<megaqwerty>ok,hmmm, not working for me02:29
savvasthespore: gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf02:29
sonic_stdin: nice.  its working good now02:29
savvasthespore: remove this: "800x600"        "640x480"02:29
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thesporesavvas, ohh duh thought you were talking about something else02:29
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stdintsb: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"02:29
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PirateHeadDid the RC make it to production today?02:29
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stdinPriceChild: yep, it's out now02:29
thesporesavvas, alright let me see what hapens02:29
stdinPirateHead:  yep, it's out now02:29
lee__well I enjoyed my graphics while I could.. the upgrades going o take it way now...byebye graphys..*mourns*02:30
darkzero<megaqwerty>it has to be a video output02:30
PirateHeadstdin: I think I see a link in the room header. =D02:30
FrankHwhat happened to the cube and alt-ctrl-up arrow thing in desktop effects?02:30
megaqwertydarkzero: I'm not sure I know what you mean02:30
tsbstdin: kdesu is borked on my computer (it only works like half the time), but I supposed sudo will do the same02:30
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sonic_stdin: btw. Ive noticed a big improvement in linux cd writing I/O in the last few years.  I used to get 8-14KB/s  now Im getting around 30KB/s on the same drive02:30
robinsontest02:30
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lee__our updates take things away02:30
thesporesavvas, well that worked.. weird02:30
megaqwertyFrankH: it's still there, but you have to enable it youself.02:30
savvasthespore: cheers ;)02:31
thesporesavvas, thank you :)02:31
lee__I think its preparign us for the relase and a few things might interfere with it...would that be safe to say?02:31
savvasthespore: n/p02:31
megaqwertyFrankH: you need to have compizconfig-settings-manager installed to do so02:31
FrankHmegaqwerty: i c02:31
darkzeroAnyone else know a fix to totem-xine where it shows a green bar during video play on top02:31
tonyyarussoWhy isn't compizconfig-settings-manager installed by default?02:31
savvasthespore: I've no idea why it does that, but it works, you practically force it to use the 1024x76802:31
megaqwertytonyyarusso: I'm not entirely sure. Possibly because they want to make everything very simple02:32
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darkzeroI wonder why I can config totem output to play X11 enviroment02:32
tonyyarussomegaqwerty: Could be.  Hmm...02:32
savvasbastid_raZor: are you going to be here a lot?02:32
thesporesavvas, yeah that's odd.. i don't understand how it lets me go to 320x240 when it's not defined in xorg.conf02:33
thesporewe have some conflicting display configs somehow?02:33
lee__whts a "dovac" board?02:33
BluesKajgoogle earth is no longer launching after the latest update ...ati owners beware :(02:33
tsbIncidentally, is that bug fixed in gutsy? kdesu just stops working on my desktop after a bit of use..02:33
lee__understood02:33
tonyyarussolee__: "dovac" or "Dvorak" you mean?02:33
lee__maybe we can refuse the update lol02:34
darkzerowell, I'm going to do more testing and figure things out02:34
megaqwertydarkzero: okay, good luck02:34
savvasthespore: no idea my friend, ask nvidia or the xorg devs :P02:34
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thesporelol02:34
alex_mayorgaanyone seeing Bug #15001002:34
lee__its a key oard of some kind supeose to fit leftys and or rightys tonnyausso02:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 150010 in ubuntu "Error starting GNOME Settings Daemon dialog" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15001002:34
alex_mayorgaI can confirm it02:34
thesporewell i don't care much, i'm sure the devs will catch it02:34
lee__well.02:35
savvasalex_mayorga: did you fix your resolution?02:35
alex_mayorgasavvas, looks like changing the settings did the trick02:35
lee__upgrade has been intiatd..to late to stop it now lol02:35
savvasalex_mayorga: I'd tell you to remove the line that says: Depth 1602:36
alex_mayorgafixing a resolution is now point and click02:36
savvasalex_mayorga: but ok, glad it's fixed02:36
alex_mayorgasavvas, what does that line means?02:36
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savvasalex_mayorga: I think that forced it into 800x600, but if it works, don't touch! :P02:36
alex_mayorgagood advise02:36
savvasoh yeah my cookie!02:36
alex_mayorgahow can I work on confirming that bug02:37
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alex_mayorgais there a bugs channel?02:37
BosamboHello all02:37
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lee__waht was it google earth?02:37
megaqwertyalex_mayorga: I believe you would do that on launchpad02:37
savvasalex_mayorga: you add a comment and state "i confirm the bug" :p02:37
lee__wait then that means that the weather channels 3d mapping systems wont work either02:38
savvasalex_mayorga: also subscribe until the fix is released02:38
alex_mayorgaOKs02:38
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lee__ok going to google earth02:39
savvaswell, good night everyone02:39
tsbA restart of X made kdesu workgain. That upgrade program seems neat.02:39
lee__I want to spy on my brother one last time lol02:39
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BosamboQuick question guys...Running an Nvidia GeForce3 Ti 200 with the 96.43.01 driver...everything works fine (compiz etc) The problem is that when I do updates I have to recompile the driver everytime the Kernel gets updated...is this normal behaviour?02:39
tsbI suppose kde 3.5.8 will be avaliable for kubuntu 7.10 after it is released?02:39
megaqwertyBosambo: yes. If you installed it from the offical site, it is.02:40
savvasBosambo: yes, new kernel needs new modules, unless you use the nvidia-glx02:40
alex_mayorgasavvas, thanks a bunch02:40
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BosamboOk, cheers lads02:40
megaqwertyBosambo: if you use the Ubuntu package, it will automatically upgrade to one built for the new kernel02:40
savvasBosambo: as a note, if you want to use nvidia-glx, you have to uninstall your nvidia drivers first02:40
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savvas:)02:41
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alex_mayorga:)02:41
megaqwertyhuzzah! *crunch*02:41
savvaslol02:41
savvasalex_mayorga: n/p ;)02:41
alex_mayorgahow do I go about installing other desktops other than gnome?02:41
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savvasum.. sudo apt-get install kde ?02:41
savvas:P02:41
megaqwertyalex_mayorga: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-dekstop02:41
lee__I confrim also taht the adoby macromedia flash fails to load02:41
savvasok i'm really off02:41
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megaqwertyalex_mayorga:  I mean kubuntu-desktop02:42
alex_mayorgaI'd like to try kubuntu and xubuntu and decide wich one suits me best02:42
megaqwertyalex_mayorga: or...for xubuntu, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop02:42
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alex_mayorgamegaqwerty, would that mix up things?02:42
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alex_mayorgacan I have the 3 flavors separately?02:42
megaqwertyalex_mayorga: no, it will give you choices as to which one you want to run when you reach the login screen02:42
megaqwertyalex_mayorga: yes, you can02:43
megaqwertyalex_mayorga: I think the option in the login screen is called "Session"02:43
macogwyoud need to have 3 root partitions02:43
alex_mayorgamegaqwerty, so I just aptitude install the other 2 and that's it?02:43
macogwmegaqwerty: thats right02:43
thesporehmm, there's a hash sum mismatch when trying to install build-essential.. it's trying to get it from cd-rom, can i force it to get from repos?02:43
megaqwertyalex_mayorga: yep02:43
thesporeusing apt-get02:43
megaqwertyalex_mayorga: pretty awesome huh?02:44
macogwthespore: disable the cd-rom in your sources.list02:44
alex_mayorgaok, thank you all guys, you rock02:44
lee__how do you frce the loading of macromedia flahs?02:44
megaqwertyalex_mayorga: you're welcome02:44
alex_mayorgaBRB02:44
thesporemacogw, ahh it was first line.. didn't see it.. thanks ;)02:44
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lee__hmm i am guessing some one was using a psp lol02:46
alex_mayorgahow do I remove old kernels safely?02:46
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lee__so how do you force fead macro media flash ihen the auto up date fails?02:46
megaqwertyalex_mayorga: just remove them in synaptic02:46
megaqwertyalex_mayorga: the package is called linux-image-something02:47
alex_mayorgacool, thanks yet again :)02:47
lee__or would synaptic have it?02:47
megaqwertyalex_mayorga: any time02:47
megaqwertylee__: what do you mean force feed flash?02:48
lee__when I hit google maps it was trying to auto down load it said failed.02:49
megaqwertylee__: what was the error?02:49
lee__eh just a sec..hold that thaught I have a more pressing concern atm02:49
megaqwertylee__: alright02:49
lee__The upgrade is asking me if I want to replace or keep the configeration..did aany one else get that choice?02:50
AirBenderyou probably are in a 64 bits arquitecture...02:50
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lee__me?02:50
lee__64 bit?02:50
AirBenderyeap?02:50
AirBenderjust saying...02:50
AirBender=)02:50
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megaqwertylee__: that depends...have you changed the configuration of that file yourself?02:50
AirBender(was before you write the message)02:50
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lee__I don't know02:51
megaqwertylee__: well, you probably would...If you haven't manually gone to that file, and changed it, you should probably choose replace02:51
lee__eh I am going to play it safe and kep, the last time I said change and my syems went to pieces02:51
rankorso i installed rc1 and i have no window decorations02:51
rankorgoogle suggests this may be a faq but none of the resolutions seem to work02:52
lee__hmm02:52
lee__ok02:52
rankori note that there are no emerald-themes, is that part of the problem?02:52
megaqwertylee__: alright...the only downside would be if it was an incompatible config file...which would make that app no longer work.02:52
lee__mega I am going on a gut feelign with this one02:52
rankorthis is of course with compiz not kwin02:52
megaqwertylee__: alright, good luck02:52
lee__hmm02:52
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lee__well I can always reload it lol02:53
megaqwertythis is true. (I'm assuming you know how)02:53
sslashesany idea how i can troubleshoot sound issues with wine (ie, the winecfg audio tags has a test sound button, and it doesn't play anything for me)02:53
lee__its this that it is configging02:53
lee__/etc/gdm/gdm.conf02:53
AirBenderAny one is having issues with Firefox since last updates?02:54
lee__This file should not be updated by hand.  Since GDM 2.13.0.4, configuration02:54
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IndyGunFreakall the 7.10 ISO's have been pulled02:55
megaqwertylee__: if it's gdm it's configuring, I think I'd let it do what it wants.  There's very little likelyhood that you would have changed that yourself02:55
lee__yeah I read it further and t made sence02:56
lee__I wnt with the changing oof it02:56
megaqwertylee__: cool02:56
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lee__its just my PC is so touchy02:57
trevorGutsy help, right?02:57
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megaqwertytrevor: correct02:57
AirBenderyeap02:57
trevorOkay...  I'm having a problem upgrading02:57
jj420does compiz work better with the ati x300 in gutsy?02:57
trevorKubuntu 7.04 Feisty02:57
trevorjj420: Good question...02:57
lee__cant be any worse then getting a coment taht sys your only allowe d a partial upgrade lol02:57
jj420hopefully i get a good answer02:58
trevorWell, I sat here for about two hours downloading the upgrade, and then the installer just disappears...02:58
trevorIt went to get the last file, sat there a moment, and then it was gone...02:58
lee__lets say when it came to that....I gave up and said to heck with all and went with ati  drivers02:58
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trevorI use the ATI drivers, but I can't get Beryl to work..02:59
megaqwertytrevor: well...the files are still on your hard drive.02:59
lee__I have an ati x300 and the systems only reading 32 megabytes of its ram ><02:59
megaqwertytrevor: so that won't be a problem.02:59
trevorWould I need to disable composition, or is that for a different channel?02:59
trevormegaqwerty: Well, I started it back up...02:59
jj420im using the ati drive but cant get compiz to work correctly like changes settings dont work now i cant drag and move windows02:59
trevormegaqwerty: And, it just went to that last file, and did it again...02:59
|neon|having an issue with ff i am running ubuntu and java is installed as show by about:plugins, the problem is when i try to open like yahoo games it will try to open the "game window" but ff freezes to the point i have to pretty much restart , opera work ok so i know java is installed ok tho i re-iinstalled it to be sure thx for any suggestions02:59
megaqwertytrevor: have you tried updating you package lists?03:00
megaqwertytrevor: sudo apt-get update03:00
lee__ok guys I got a resart falg up lol03:00
megaqwertytrevor: it may be that the file you need has moved to a different location on the server03:00
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lee__erg I hate updates they take soemthing away03:00
trevormegaqwerty: nice...03:00
lee__somethimes lol03:01
lee__waves toall03:01
megaqwertytrevor: which updating the package lists will fix03:01
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bastid_raZorsavvas: i'm in and out. a 2 year old is very demanding03:01
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DM|in gutsy, for rythymbox i get the following error Unable to activate plugin Portable Players - iPod03:02
trevormegaqwerty: trying...03:02
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trevormegaqwerty: And, it's gone...03:03
trevormegaqwerty: Again...03:03
megaqwertytrevor: okay, have you tried running the update manager from the Terminal?03:04
megaqwertytrevor: we might get some feedback as to what happened03:04
trevorThe instructions for Kubuntu forbids it, but I'll try...  Was gonna do that anyway...03:04
megaqwertytrevor: not what I meant03:04
megaqwertytrevor: I meant running "gksudo update-manager -c -d" in the terminal03:05
trevorI'm in KDE...  Not gnome...03:05
megaqwertytrevor: sorry, kdesudo03:05
trevormegaqwerty: mine is kdesu adept_manager, but it said to run it from the run prompt, not the konsole...03:05
trevormegaqwerty: And, nothing is happening...03:06
megaqwertytrevor: oh, well, try konsole anyway.03:06
megaqwertytrevor: I'll have to defer this to someone else, I'm not very familiar with kde.03:06
trevorSok...03:06
trevorCan anyone help?03:07
trevorKDE problems running the upgrade..03:07
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knixtrevor:03:08
fyrestrtrsorry trevor I don't use KDE03:08
lee__ok I hsould have said NO to that change03:08
fyrestrtrwhat is the error you are getting?03:09
lee__dang I ate going agaisnt my gut instincts, now my monitors all well the refresh rates been grrrr03:09
lee__Its half hour glassed and half soemthing else03:09
lee__grrrrrrrrrr03:10
lee__now its doing the exact same thing befor the crahs03:11
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lee__well next tim ..should I crash I am telling it NO03:11
trevormegaqwerty: I think I have it...03:11
trevorMaybe...03:11
szfcan anyone else confirm an appearance of ogg-files not working well lately? Not playing? Takes $time to render in nautilus?03:11
megaqwertytrevor: cool. I'd be interested to know how you fixed it, once you're sure03:12
trevorI went back into adept manager, and hit full upgrade, and it's installing packages...03:12
trevorAnd, it's taking longer than it did the first time through, when the things were in feisty, so I hope that I just had to go and repeat it..03:12
trevorIf so, the installer should be able to open it up and do this on it's own, or it shouldn't claim to do so...03:13
lee__well wiith me I got stuck on the thing saying I only could partialy up grade03:13
lee__I wonder if it will aloow me the rest of the upgrade nopw03:13
trevorGnome or kde?03:13
fyrestrtrlee__: do the partial upgrade, restart, then do the full upgrade again.03:13
lee__yeah I was going to do that03:14
lee__and Hopefully befor I crash03:14
trevorAND THERE'S THE RESTART PROMPT!03:14
TokenBadmy friend is saying he tried the system-admin-screens and graphics-ati to do drivers for a radeon 9250 256 ram ati....and its not working03:15
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ChaosParserhey alex_mayorga03:15
lee__no luck going in ot the terminal03:15
trevorOkay...  It looks like it's replacing everything (Which is good..)03:15
lee__wahst the comand line for the update?03:15
macogwTokenBad: did he restart X afterward03:15
lee__update manager -d?03:15
macogwlee__ sudo aptitude full-upgrade -y03:15
trevorlee__: if you're using gnome...03:15
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lee__yeah i am03:16
trevorlee__: I think i figured it out for kde, though...03:16
lee__actaully I have both lol03:16
jmg_bye03:16
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knixWhat's full-upgrade?03:16
knixIs that like upgrade and dist-upgrade's middle sibling?03:16
trevorFull upgrade replaces the operating systems files with all the new ones...03:17
megaqwertytrevor: congratulations03:17
lee__its doing something lol03:17
trevorI think....03:17
nomasteryodatrevor, yup/// that it does03:17
trevor27%...  I think I did it right...03:17
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trevorOkay...  We need to change the installer wizard, then...03:17
lee__0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded03:17
trevorAt least for kde...03:17
nomasteryodabut i always run mine from konsole03:18
nomasteryoda=D... aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade03:18
nomasteryodaoh after doing find/replace on repos03:18
TokenBadmacogw, he said he did that and it still says no direct rendering03:19
macogwif you read aptitude's manpage, full-upgrade is the new name for dist-upgrade and safe-upgrade is the new name for regular upgrade03:19
nomasteryodaya it is03:20
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macogwTokenBad: weird. ive never done it on ubuntu, just on opensuse, but still, weird03:20
nomasteryodacorrect03:20
lee__eh I treid the update manager -d..it said taht comand line not found03:20
megaqwertylee__: it's update-manager -d03:20
macogwlee__ i think it has to be in quotes03:20
macogwoh yeah that too03:20
macogwwith the -03:20
TokenBadanyone else know what might be wrong?03:20
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trevorCRAP!03:23
trevorI have no mime types!03:23
lee__eh..this is theline taht I get when I do the y03:23
trevorI can't open files!03:23
lee__0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.03:23
lee__Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.03:23
lee__I am not breaking the 2 line rule lol but tahts ths jist of it03:24
trevorI can't open websites...03:24
trevorHTTP is a bad protocol?03:24
lee__any ideas on taht one megaqwerty03:24
megaqwertylee__: I'll read what you said...hold on.03:25
macogwnetworkmanager needs a curses interface for fluxbox and enlightenment users03:25
megaqwertylee__: what are you trying to do?03:25
megaqwertylee__: upgrade to Gutsy from the commandline?03:25
trevorGots to go!03:26
megaqwertybye trevor good luck!03:26
trevorThanks!03:26
lee__eh no..lol I used the cd03:26
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megaqwertylee__: what are you trying to do then?03:26
trevorDAMN IT!03:26
lee__I was trrying to ge tthe rest of the updates03:26
trevorWon't do it...03:26
lee__oh its loading java now03:27
trevorPackages broke?03:27
lee__eh I mean flash03:27
megaqwertylee__: it looks like it doesn't see any new updates03:27
Moduliz0ranyone know much about Wine?03:27
lee__nopers03:27
Moduliz0r:'(03:27
megaqwertyModuliz0r: some? yes. Much, not that much.03:27
lee__it says that i am fully up dated03:27
lee__eh just averted a crash03:28
megaqwertylee__: then clearly you are03:28
lee__hmm03:28
lee__cool03:28
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Moduliz0rmegaqwerty: Do you know how I'd install the mozilla html engine thing?03:28
megaqwertylee__: haha03:28
lee__ok waht was this aobut goolge ewarth?03:28
megaqwertyModuliz0r: you mean gecko?03:28
Moduliz0rYeah03:28
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megaqwertyModuliz0r: I know WineDoors does that automagically03:28
Moduliz0rit crashes when it asks me while running steam03:28
Moduliz0rWineDoors?03:28
megaqwertyModuliz0r: yeah, it's really neat. It even has a module for installing steam03:29
Moduliz0rwhere can I get WineDoors?03:29
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megaqwertyModuliz0r: http://www.wine-doors.org/wordpress/03:31
Moduliz0rthanks03:31
lee__eh ok I can play the you tube video lol03:31
lee__volume contol fails bad lol03:31
lee__it balsted me to kindome come03:31
lee__yay I now have the missing PCm controler lol03:31
lee__turning off screen savers and blanking03:31
Moduliz0rwhats the compiz settings manager package again?03:31
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lee__eh google erth on linux?03:32
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jirwincan I disable NetworkManager?03:32
macogwModuliz0r: compizconfig-settings-manager03:32
lee__eh howd you get that lol03:32
Moduliz0rthanks03:32
macogwjirwin: take it out of the startups thing03:32
megaqwertylee__: it's on the main site03:32
macogwlee__: its in Universe, i think03:32
LT1Caprice57Lhey guys.. any ideas why a GTK theme that worked fine in Feisty wouldn't work right in Gutsy?03:32
lee__ooh ok03:32
lee__just a sec then03:32
megaqwertyand...apparently...now in Universe03:32
LT1Caprice57LIt's just one that doesn't work...the ubuntustudio GTK theme to be exact03:33
megaqwertyLT1Caprice57L: well...we do have a new version of Gnome in Gutsy...03:33
macogwmake that multiverse03:33
jirwinmacogw: where?03:33
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megaqwertyLT1Caprice57L: so, that could be it.03:33
macogwjirwin: system > pref > sessions > startup03:33
Moduliz0ris wine-doors in a repositry?03:33
Moduliz0ri spelled that wrong i think >_>03:33
megaqwertyModuliz0r: it has an ubuntu .deb, but I haven't checked the Gutsy repository for it yet03:34
jirwinthanks03:34
Moduliz0rk03:34
LT1Caprice57Lyeah, I thought about that, but it seems like that'd make more sense if none of them work anymore03:34
tritiumModuliz0r: no03:34
megaqwertyModuliz0r: nope, not in gutsy03:34
Moduliz0rill give it a try anyway03:34
tritiumModuliz0r: apt-cache search <foo>03:34
lee__yeah the >XML file has been stripped form the browser, I wonder why?03:35
LT1Caprice57Lbrb03:35
|neon|having an issue with ff i am running ubuntu and java is installed as show by about:plugins, the problem is when i try to open like yahoo games it will try to open the "game window" but ff freezes to the point i have to pretty much restart , opera work ok so i know java is installed ok tho i re-iinstalled it to be sure thx for any suggestions03:35
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lee__how do we get our .xml extension back?03:36
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megaqwertylee__: you mean have ff open .xml files by default?03:37
wabiDwhy dont java applications get transparet03:37
TokenBadmacogw, I did a command and got this? libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_add_dispatch)03:38
TokenBadlibGL error: unable to find driver: r200_dri.so03:38
megaqwertywabiD: um...have you tried using Alt+Scrollwheel?03:38
Moduliz0rwine doors works fine!03:38
Moduliz0rthanks!03:38
jaebirdi think empathy, or dependancies are broken in latest gutsy update03:38
megaqwertyModuliz0r: you're welcome. Have fun with Steam03:38
megaqwertyModuliz0r: can't wait 'till I can start playing Portal ;)03:38
macogwTokenBad: something's broked03:38
Moduliz0r:D03:38
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Moduliz0rI'm gonna get Portal sometime soon03:38
TokenBadmacogw, I noticed03:39
TokenBadmacogw, and I have no idea how to fix it03:39
Moduliz0rit just told me wine gecko isnt installed03:39
Moduliz0r==steam froze03:39
lee__i think I may havefound the solution03:40
TokenBadits like it will not install the ati drivers03:40
macogwnor do i03:40
macogwum looks installed03:40
jirwinanyone have any luck getting dhcp with a intel 4965 wlan chip?03:40
macogwbut dri is broken03:40
megaqwertyModuliz0r: huh. Well, use the Wine Doors manager thing to install it03:40
macogwthere's a website with insane debugging directions03:40
macogwvery useful03:40
macogwgoogle a bit03:40
hetauma__!rc03:40
ubotuGutsy Gibbon (7.10) Release Candidate information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - The RC is development software and as such unstable, support *ONLY* in #ubuntu+103:40
jirwinI thought it was NM, but doesn't seem to be. I can associate and everything...just no dhcp03:40
jirwin:(03:41
TokenBadI have and have tried all their ways of installing and no luck03:41
megaqwertyModuliz0r: I did a clean install of Gutsy, and haven't installed Wine Doors yet, so I'm doing this off the top of my head.03:41
Moduliz0rok03:41
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TokenBadthey all say about installing the drivers by ./atiblahblah --something dapper/ubuntu or something like that03:41
Moduliz0ri want the final release :D03:41
TokenBadI have tried it...and not work03:41
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tsbUh oh - "Could not install 'debconf'" (dusing gutsy upgrade using aport) - sounds bad..03:44
tsbsubprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault)03:44
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megaqwertytsb: sounds like you told it to stop.03:45
tsbmegaqwerty: I didn't.. I was just surfing in konq03:45
megaqwertytsb: or...if it means it got kill from a seg fault...it crashed03:45
lee__stupid thing wants to keep downloading the links03:45
tsbit sais it segfaulted, so I guess it crashed and burned.03:45
megaqwertyan accurate diagnosis Dr. tsb03:46
tsbwhy thank you, Dr. Watson.03:46
lee__well Ill brb I need to take dog out fer a walk03:46
tsb(why are you saying I told it to stop then)03:46
megaqwertytsb: if you didn't tell it to stop, then it got it's kill signal from the segfault03:47
megaqwertytsb: that's odd...not sure why it would do that. Was there any output before the segfault?03:47
tsbanyway, it seems it has stopped now on preparing to configure libdbus-glib-1-2.. should I just close the thing and try over?03:47
tsbnone that I saw no. I had the terminal open, but it is empty03:47
megaqwertytsb: then..yeah, I'd try upgrading again03:47
Moduliz0rhow do i launch a program with wine-doors?03:48
megaqwertytsb: I don't think you can turn back now03:48
tsbmegaqwerty: yeah I don't think I'll want to reboot at the moment :p03:48
megaqwertyModuliz0r: I believe it created launchers under "Applications"03:48
Moduliz0rcant find them >_>03:48
Moduliz0ryeah I did :D03:48
Moduliz0rbut it doesnt seem to be launching03:49
Moduliz0rima gonna go to bed now03:49
Moduliz0rbye03:49
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lee__erg, we had a fire somehwere lol03:50
lee__its really smoky out side..any how03:51
tsbmegaqwerty: "You will not be able to change your system settings in any way" etc... I killed all of the adept instances03:51
lee__the google earth is saying its an .xml file that is missing03:51
megaqwertytsb: Not sure what you just said.03:52
tsbmegaqwerty: I tried restarting adept_manager, but it won't start properly because the other adept I just killed still has locks03:52
megaqwertytsb: ah03:52
megaqwertytsb: well, not being a KDE man myself, I'm not sure where adept keeps its lock files...03:53
megaqwertytsb: sorry03:53
tsb:S03:53
tsbIt was around 15% into the package installation - I don't really want to restart X03:53
lee__well I am taking merlin fer a walk, I Need to to see if ant will freez, if ant freezes then I ll have to reload and say not to the updates03:54
megaqwertytsb: I'll be on google looking03:54
lee__ants the screen saver03:54
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megaqwertytsb: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+question/540903:54
tsbmegaqwerty: wow thanks. I'll be in the terminal greping03:54
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tsbmegaqwerty: ah, that seems golden, thanks03:55
megaqwertytsb: happy to oblige03:55
tsbmegaqwerty: yup that did it03:56
megaqwertytsb: :-D03:56
tsbmegaqwerty: yay, I got the distro upgrade started again as well03:56
megaqwertytsb: cool. Hope you have better luck this time.03:56
tsbphew, I thought I'd have a whole-nighter ahead of me deciphering logfiles03:57
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tsbme too, hehe03:57
megaqwertytsb: haha, yeah...I remember those days *sniff* the good ole' frustrating days.03:57
tsbmegaqwerty: yeah :) xorg still gives you the odd reminder of it though (I was setting up me second monitor the other day)03:58
tsbs/me/my03:58
tsbcool, it jumped straight to "installing the upgrades" and keeps on going. I guess it works03:59
megaqwertytsb: yeah, but we're getting pretty darn close to a perfect "Just works" situation.03:59
tsbmegaqwerty: yeah actually I noticed nvidia had this control panel that let me activate the screen with a click. it even worked on the first try!03:59
megaqwertytsb: nice!04:00
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CreationistIf I've been running the Gutsy Beta, will it update to the RC if I run apt-get upgrade?04:01
tsbI guess it will be better (and is with the intel drivers?) with the foss drivers, but requiring the user to fool around with xorg.conf is a real showstopper for a lot of people I can imagine.04:01
megaqwertyCreationist: yep04:01
tsbCreationist: apparenty you should use the gui forntends instead04:01
Creationistsaweet04:01
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tsbit installs "extra stuff" :)04:01
Creationisttsb: Well, I suppose I could do that... but why?04:01
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megaqwertyCreationist: tsb actually, not if you're already at gutsy. Commandline upgrades do just fine04:01
CreationistI don't want "extra" stuff, I want the right stuff... the WORKING stuff ;)04:01
tsbCreationist: no idea, I just took a leap of faith when someone here told that to me and used adept04:02
megaqwertyCreationist: he meant like changing your sources.list and so on04:02
tsbCreationist: hehe yeah04:02
bastid_raZorCreationist: have you ever heard of Kent Hovind?04:02
Creationistmegaqwerty: Ahhh... yeah.04:02
Creationistbastid_raZor: Yes, I have.04:02
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bastid_raZorCreationist: i have his videos .. i hand them out on a regular basis.. did you know he is in jail for tax evasion?04:03
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Creationistbastid_raZor: I didn't know he was in jail, no.  I knew he was found guilty of that YEARS ago, though.  He did it again?04:03
tritium!offtopic04:03
ubotu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!04:03
tsbFor the record: I have ubuntu and kubuntu-desktop installed, hence gdm and kdm - it just tried restarting gdm which failed ofcourse since I run kdm and that stopped the installation (i just had to click okay to manually start it myself afterwards, which I wont ofcourse). a small bug..04:03
Creationisttritium: Yeah, I agree.04:03
bastid_raZorCreationist: as of january of this year he was actually put in jail.04:04
megaqwerty !offtopic | bastid_raZor04:05
ubotubastid_raZor: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!04:05
Creationist!offtopic | bastid_raZor04:05
Creationistlol04:05
Creationist;)04:05
megaqwerty:)04:05
|neon|ne1 using vdkb2, i installed it from the gutsy repo bbut it wont run any sugestions04:05
tsbmegaqwerty: actually I didn't - supposedly adept and the gnome equivalent installs more than just dist-upgrade... (that's what someone here said anyway when I asked if it was just a fancy frontend)04:05
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Creationisthmm... apparently the only changes made between my Beta from yesterday, and the RC.... are a few updates to Compiz.04:05
Creationist...that's less than exciting ;)04:05
megaqwertytsb: for upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy, yes. But when you're already at gutsy, I'm pretty sure you can just use commandline upgrades04:06
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tsbSpeaking of Compiz.. I wonder if I should try that now.. I'm pretty much a kde zealot, but I'd like to try this new gnome with compiz and all.. but I don't want that for my kde, would it be much of a hazzle to set up? I guess I'd need 2 xorg.conf files for h/w accel stuff04:06
tsbmegaqwerty: aah, right. :)04:06
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tsbmegaqwerty: then that is what I meant, what you said.04:07
megaqwertytsb: It's okay. And as for compiz, Gutsy automagically enables it when you install the restricted driver.04:07
megaqwertytsb: well...a limited version. You can go up from there if you want using compizconfig-settings-manager or if you want to use presets, just the appearance program04:08
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bastid_raZoranyone noticing Xgl using large amounts of RAM? using emerald --replace at the moment04:10
tsbmegaqwerty: okay. I'll have a look after install.. still.. 41 minutes left and it is 04:06 here now.. sigh04:10
megaqwertytsb: eh, just let it go overnight04:11
megaqwertytsb: have some fresh eyes to enjoy the eyecandy ;)04:11
tsbmegaqwerty: you are right.. 45 minutes remaining, and then I have to try the damn thing, I'll look at the pretty wobblyness tomorrow04:12
tsbmegaqwerty: thank you and good night :)04:12
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Creationistmegaqwerty: Compiz isn't automatically enabled in Kubuntu.04:13
megaqwertyCreationist: that's a shame :-(04:14
megaqwertyCreationist: but he has both Gnome and KDE, so he'll have it04:14
|neon|can ne1 suggest a good program to use while learning C+04:14
megaqwertyCreationist: well...when he switches into Gnome at least04:14
Creationistmegaqwerty: He'll have it in Gnome, but not Kubuntu.  In KDE you need to manually start and stop it.04:14
sinX_Every time I enable dual monitors my default monitor's resolution becomes to big but it says it still the same. Plus on my second monitor I have no window borders with compiz04:14
Creationistmegaqwerty: Yep ;)04:14
|neon|i tried using vdkb2 but it wont rn04:14
megaqwerty|neon|: I use Gedit when writing the code, and g++ (on the commandline) for compiling said code04:15
CreationistsinX_: Do you have libdecorations installed?04:15
|neon|megaqwerty: thx04:15
megaqwerty|neon|: works pretty well for me, although I haven't been doing very advanced things yet.04:15
Creationist!kde-window-decorations04:15
megaqwerty|neon|: you're welcome04:15
|neon|megaqwerty: i got me a couple of books and nothing but time :)04:15
sinX_I can't even seem to find the package?04:16
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megaqwerty|neon|: cool. Have fun!04:16
CreationistsinX_: Crap, I can't remember the name of the package... hang on.04:17
sinX_thankx04:17
CreationistAnyone here know the package name for the kde window decorations engine for Compiz?04:18
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megaqwertyCreationist: aquamarine?04:18
Creationistno04:18
CreationistIt's kde-[something] 04:18
megaqwertyCreationist: nope. the only decorations package name I know of is libdecoration0 sorry.04:19
sinX_Creationist: libdecoration0?04:19
sinX_lol...yep thats all I could come with to04:19
Creationisthmm... maybe it's kde-window-decorator04:20
CreationistI can't remember... maybe it is libdecoration0.  Do you have that installed?04:20
megaqwertyCreationist: I do.04:21
CreationistI had thought it was specific to KDE, though, because Emerald was giving me problems.04:21
megaqwertyCreationist: yeah, you need to use aquamarine for KDE04:21
sinX_yep I have it installed04:21
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megaqwertyCreationist: (As opposed to emerald)04:21
rocketsHow do I make compiz fusion do mac-like expose04:21
Creationistmegaqwerty: I don't use aquamarine.04:21
sinX_super + E04:22
megaqwertyCreationist: sorry, my knowledge of KDE goes back to beryl04:22
Creationistmegaqwerty: Whatever engine I'm using uses my KDE theme settings for decorations.04:22
megaqwertyrockets: I'll get the command hold on04:22
rocketsmegaqwerty, thanks!04:22
rocketsthe expo feature is great04:22
rocketsbut id like expose even more04:22
sinX_rockets: super +E04:22
megaqwertyrockets: it looks like on my box it's CTRL+ALT+UP04:22
sinX_but you need the plugin enabled04:22
rocketssinX_, no thats expo04:22
megaqwertysinX_: that's the wrong plugin04:23
rocketsmegaqwerty, that does nothing for me, whats the name of the plugin04:23
megaqwertysinX_: he means the scale plugin04:23
Creationistrockets: Yeah, I like Expo.... I just still have no use for multiple desktops yet.  Seems like more trouble than help until KDE gets smart and makes Kicker support viewports.04:23
megaqwertyrockets: scale04:23
megaqwertyrockets: you can change it if you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed04:23
rocketsah its shift-alt-up for me04:23
sinX_you mean the cube unfold?04:23
rocketsmegaqwerty, yeah i do have it04:23
riotkittieexpo <304:23
rocketssinX_, no04:24
megaqwertyrockets: cool04:24
megaqwertysinX_: no, he means the scale plugin04:24
rocketsscale is fantstic04:24
sinX_ahh, I gotcha..lol04:24
rocketsso much better then alt-tab04:24
riotkittiei like the alt shift s one :x04:24
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megaqwertyrockets: actually, for alt-tab, I use the shift plugin04:24
rocketsthat does nothing for me riot04:24
CreationistI prefer the ring-switcher to Alt-Tab ;)04:24
megaqwertyrockets: does the iTunes coverflow thing. Quite nice, and practical.04:24
riotkittieits like. iPod cover art flippy goodness.04:25
rocketsi just enabled show desktop04:25
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rocketsand the action is "to corners"04:25
rocketsbut i move the mouse to the corners and nothing happens04:25
megaqwertyrockets: no, that's what it does, it moves the windows to the corners04:25
rocketsoh, well how do i make it work04:25
rocketstheres no keybindings section04:25
megaqwertyrockets: (off the screen) you need the keybinding04:25
riotkittieclick on the show desktop icon04:25
megaqwertyrockets: it's listed under "General"04:25
CreationistYeah, I never knew what "Show Desktop" was supposed to do.04:25
rocketsriotkittie, i dont WANT to use the show desktop icon04:26
megaqwertyrockets: it's under "general options"04:26
sinX_it changes the "show desktop" effect04:26
rocketsah it just replaced what ctlrl-alt-d normally does04:26
megaqwertyrockets: General Options>Actions>Hide all windows and focus desktop04:26
Creationistohhhhhhhh04:26
CreationistsinX_: I get it now ;)04:26
rocketsbut i like this effect much better04:26
sinX_from the standard theme effect to corm=ners or what ever you set it to04:26
rocketsmy god compiz fusion is great04:26
rocketsand the best thing is its actually stable104:27
sinX_ya, I was confused at first to :,04:27
rocketsand the fact that Xgl is configured automatically for you now is amazing04:27
rocketsit was so annoying before04:27
rockets(i have an ATI card)04:27
megaqwertyrockets: indeed! I stated using this stuff since beryl. Whenever I have to go into Windows, I feel so confined.04:27
CreationistSo what does "Fade to Desktop" do?04:27
riotkittiei also have an ati :| <seethe>04:27
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Creationist...nevermind, I get it.04:27
megaqwertyCreationist: same thing, but just does a fade effect04:27
rocketsheh04:28
rocketsthe ADD helper is nice but it takes too long to fade04:28
rocketsand its not configurable04:28
megaqwertyrockets: I think you can change that04:28
rocketsmegaqwerty, not via gui you cant04:28
megaqwertyrockets: oh, I used to be able when I compiled from GIT on feisty04:28
rocketseh04:28
rocketsits no big deal i just wont use it04:28
sinX_ya, different effect for same thing... I know it's weird it should all be put into one04:28
riotkittiemine fades instantly04:28
megaqwertyrockets: looks like we can't do that in gutsy. *shrugs*04:28
megaqwertyrockets: actually, mine fades instantly too...you just have to press Super+P04:30
Creationisthehe... I love that they call it the ADD helper ;)04:30
rocketsheh04:30
megaqwertyCreationist: you know...I never understood the joke until now04:30
riotkittieis it just me or does colour filter do nothing :\04:31
Creationistneither did I until I actually read the description ;)04:31
megaqwertyCreationist: was thinking like...arithmetic add04:31
rocketswhat does enabling glib do04:32
megaqwertyrockets: I don't know...04:33
megaqwertyrockets: enables main loop support...whatever that is04:33
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rocketsgod . . . expo + zoom out or scale or whatever its called make my day.04:33
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megaqwertyrockets: indeed04:34
rocketsThe only annoying bug ive had in gutsy so far is that the splash screen is just blank during boot04:34
rocketsbut i can live with that.04:34
lee__ohh cool it didnt lock up lol yay04:34
rocketsill just disable it.04:34
megaqwertyrockets: I think you need to give it the real path to the images04:34
rocketsmegaqwerty, your telling me that by default usplash doesnt work?04:34
rocketsyou've got to be kidding.04:34
lee__hmm I had the the anoyance of failing to boot04:34
megaqwertyrockets: oh, usplash04:34
megaqwertyrockets: haha04:34
rocketsmegaqwerty, you know, the bootup splash screen with the progress bar04:35
megaqwertyrockets: I thought you meant the Compiz splash screen04:35
rocketsnah04:35
lee__oh tath , yeah I noticed taht was missin gtoo04:35
megaqwertyrockets: we were on the topic...04:35
rocketsyeah04:35
lee__I jsut thaught that they removed it04:35
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megaqwertyrockets: mine's been working...04:35
megaqwertyrockets: weird04:36
rocketsyeah im sure its my video or something04:36
lee__well the last issue taht I had is when I enabled my graphics card..all heck broke loose after taht04:36
GuyFromHellam i missing anything by dist-upgrading instead of getting the RC (other than another exciting installation)?04:36
rocketsoh wow the window resize effect is nice04:36
megaqwertyGuyFromHell: nope. You get everything the RC has by just upgrading04:36
lee__yea theres a search entry04:36
GuyFromHellmegaqwerty: k just making sure04:37
lee__eh I didnt get the search bar thingy04:37
GuyFromHellmegaqwerty: thx04:37
megaqwertyGuyFromHell: you're welcome04:37
lee__from when I updated fiesty04:37
riotkittieits there, you just need to turn it on04:37
lee__oh lol04:37
lee__eh and user switcher?04:37
rocketsIve always had bad experiences with switching users on linux04:38
rocketsmultiple X servers . . . just not a great idea04:38
Creationistaww...just realized they took out the Cube Aquarium! :(04:38
rocketsCreationist, oh noes!04:38
megaqwertyGuyFromHell: the way things are set up though should stay the same, so I don't think you'll have say...the fast user-switcher in the top bar, for instance (Just guessing here though)04:38
lee__i have bad expeiereince with that period lol04:38
megaqwertyGuyFromHell: you'll just have to add that yourself if you want it *shrugs*04:38
lee__eh I placed it on the bottom04:39
Creationistrockets: Really?  I have three people that use this computer on a regular basis, but I'm always logged in.  No problems since Gutsy.04:39
rocketsCreationist, i havent tried it on gutsy.04:39
riotkittieanimations are so brutal in terms of performance. but weee.04:39
megaqwertyCreationist: I meant the built-in one in the top bar04:39
lee__I hate having the bars split, say is there a chance that instead of having 2 you can jsut have 104:39
Creationistmegaqwerty: Ah..  I'm using KDE... no top bar ;)04:39
megaqwertyGuyFromHell: I meant the built-in one in the top bar04:39
megaqwertywhoops, wrong person Creationist ;)04:40
Creationistah04:40
megaqwertyGuyFromHell:  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc will show you what I mean04:40
Creationistlee__: You can have as many or as few bars as you want.04:40
riotkittielee : you can have one. just turn the second off. right click on the one you dont want and delete.  unless you are using kde, in which case ... i dunno04:40
CreationistActually, KDE forces you to have at least one04:40
bastid_raZorlee__: that is part of the reason i liked gnome over KDE04:40
lee__creationist cool..then  ahhh04:40
Creationistbastid_raZor: What reason is that?04:40
lee__KDE?04:40
Creationist!kde | lee__04:41
ubotulee__: KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.04:41
lee__how do I change over to that04:41
bastid_raZorCreationist: i like the split bars.. top and bottom. makes the toolbars less cluttered when i have many things going at once04:41
riotkittiesudo apt-get install kde-desktop or kubuntu-desktop will install all of it. ugh.04:41
Creationistlee__: Keep in mind if you install kubuntu-desktop, then you will also be installing a ton of applications.04:41
Creationistbastid_raZor: Uhm, you can have two bars in KDE without a problem.04:41
MasterShrekanyone using the kde4 packages?04:42
bastid_raZorCreationist: not necessarily.. kubuntu-desktop is a meta package. doesn't really intsall anything04:42
stdinwhy? got a question about them?04:42
MasterShrekbastid_raZor, yes it does, thats what a metapackage is for04:42
Creationistbastid_raZor: I said if he installs kubuntu-desktop, it will install all the dependancies... thus, all the applications.04:42
rocketsgutsy definitely seems snapper performance wise04:43
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bastid_raZori have kubuntu-desktop installed and i don't have tons of kde apps installed.04:43
frank_Creationist: kubuntu-dektop doesn't install all the applications. some apps are recommended by the package, not required04:43
Creationistrockets: It is... more stable than Feisty for me too.04:43
rocketsdefini04:44
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megaqwertyfrank_: but it still installs a lot04:44
Creationistfrank_: All what applications?  I said it would install a lot of applications, not ALL applications.04:44
MasterShrekbastid_raZor, you have all the kde apps that come with kubuntu, likewise if you install ubuntu-desktop youll have all the apps that come with an ubuntu install04:44
CreationistGeez, people... pay attentions! lol04:44
megaqwertyfrank_: which was the point04:44
bastid_raZorMasterShrek: interesting. i've never noticed.. guess it is time to go on an apt-get remove spree04:45
MasterShrekkde is far superior, theres no argument for gnome, even Linus hates gnome, said its for nazis04:45
riotkittieheh.04:45
stdin!ot04:45
ubotu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!04:45
CreationistMasterShrek: Linus IS a nazi.04:45
megaqwertyOkay people, let's not start a flamewar04:45
MasterShrek...04:45
frank_Creationist: I mean not all the applications which would be installed by a kubuntu install cd04:45
megaqwertyquiet down04:45
CreationistI've never known a man more in love with his own legend than Mr. Torvalds.04:45
stdinthis is not the place to discuss that04:45
MasterShrekCreationist, jsut because he loves linux which he created, doesnt make him a nazi04:45
CreationistI personally like Gnome.  I like KDE.  They both have strengths.04:46
hydrogen!ot04:46
ubotu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!04:46
CreationistMasterShrek: I didn't say that was why ;)04:46
hydrogenhowever04:46
hydrogenlet me say..04:46
hydrogenI've yet to hear linus profess desire to lead a political party04:46
riotkittie>:o04:47
hydrogenor get involved in traditional politics at all04:47
MasterShreklol04:47
Creationisthydrogen: That's because dictatorships aren't open-source ;)04:47
bastid_raZorheh04:47
hydrogenCreationist: government isn't open source.04:47
hydrogenits the nature of it not to be04:47
lee__eh ok  i have a question on this do I down load it or? do I key inteh comands in the terminla?04:47
Creationisthydrogen: Really?  Just look at the US government... they'll let anyone get in there and tinker around :P04:47
Pici!politics04:48
ubotuPlease take political discussion to ##politics. Thank you!04:48
Creationistlee__: Download what, bud?04:48
Pici!o4o04:48
ubotuSome things are inappropriate for #ubuntu+1.  Controversial topics: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.04:48
MasterShreklee__, that made no sense04:48
Creationistlol ubotu said "removing oneself from the planet (except by space travel)" isn't an appropriate topic here ;)04:48
megaqwertylee__: if you're looking for 7.10, it's here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/04:49
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megaqwertylee__: or, if you're looking for upgrade instructions, those are here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades04:50
rabiddachshundI haven't switched to gutsy yet, but I see that the broadcom 43xx driver is now easily installed. My question is how well does it work?04:50
riotkittiehe's talking about kde, i do believe04:50
megaqwertyoh04:51
riotkittielee__:  you can search for it in synaptic; it might be easier04:51
rabiddachshundI'm on feisty right now using broadcom and it loses the wireless signal every 5 minutes.04:51
MasterShreklee__, to install kde, type: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop04:51
megaqwerty !kde | lee__04:51
ubotulee__: KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.04:51
MasterShrekrabiddachshund, how did u install it? ndiswrapper?04:51
rabiddachshundI think so. I had someone else do it for me because they're better than me.04:52
MasterShrekrabiddachshund, you should change your nick to crazyWeinerDog =P04:52
rabiddachshundlqtm.04:52
MasterShrekrabiddachshund, type: lsmod | grep ndiswrapper   and see if u get any output04:52
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jscinozwould anyone happen to know if the game Second Life is under the GPL?04:53
rabiddachshundnothing04:53
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Amaranthstdin: Enjoy04:53
lee__erg Ill have to getwine so Ican use IMVU lol04:53
rabiddachshundbut then again, he wrote a script that I could use in case I had to format, which I have done.04:53
lee__eh wehre do I get fire starter at?04:53
MasterShrekrabiddachshund, try: lsmod | grep bcm43xx04:53
stdinAmaranth: hmm. k :)04:53
rabiddachshundthat does give some output04:54
megaqwertyjscinoz: it doesn't look like it is. Don't hold me to that though...04:54
lee__never mind I found it04:54
megaqwertyjscinoz: http://secondlife.com/corporate/tos.php04:54
MasterShrekrabiddachshund, ok, how about: ls /lib/firmware | grep bcm43xx*04:54
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rabiddachshundquite a bit more.04:55
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addoshmm, rc1 tells me it can't find flashplugin-nonfree04:55
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addoshas anyone else had this problem?04:55
MasterShrekrabiddachshund, ok, so you have firmware and you are using the kernel modules, thats usually what i suggest doing, its how i run my broadcom card...are u using wpa?04:55
rocketshey is there a medibuntu for gutsy yet04:55
CoasterMasterIs the RC pretty stable?04:55
Picirockets: I belive so.04:55
rocketsCoasterMaster, its rock solid so far.04:55
rocketsPici, i cant find it04:55
MasterShrekCoasterMaster, i dont have n e problems04:55
rabiddachshundno. I have an open network because people around here are too stupid to turn on a computer. Literally.04:56
Picirockets: I dont use it, but I think I remember hearing that it existed04:56
megaqwertyjscinoz: nevermind, it is under the GPL: http://www.boingboing.net/2007/01/08/second-life-frees-so.html04:56
jscinozmegaqwerty, hmm i was sure it was under an opensource license of somekind04:56
rocketsmm04:56
jscinozhehe04:56
CoasterMasterrockets, MasterShrek and I assume that anything that gets patched between now and release will be pushed down, right?04:56
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MasterShrekrabiddachshund, i would at least use wep, but do u know what kind of card it exactly is? 4311? 4106?04:56
jscinozmegaqwerty, what rules does a program need to comply with to make it into the official ubuntu repos?04:56
rabiddachshundand I check the log for foreign mac addresses to make sure that remains true04:56
rabiddachshund431104:56
MasterShrekCoasterMaster, what do u mean "pushed down" ?04:56
rocketsCoasterMaster, of course.04:57
megaqwertyjscinoz: needs to be stable, be free, and needs to have a maintainer...I'm pretty sure, that's it04:57
CoasterMasterMasterShrek, I mean appear in the Update Manager04:57
jscinozits probably too late for gutsy, but imo secondlife should make it into hardy :)04:57
MasterShrekrabiddachshund, hmm, same as i have, its possible i guess that you have different firmware maybe04:57
rocketsCoasterMaster, if you run the updater on the day the final release comes out, youll have the final release04:57
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addoshas anyone else had problems installing flashplugin-nonfree on rc1?04:57
MasterShrekCoasterMaster, cuz mine runs flawlessly, but i dont use network manager either, that could be04:57
lee__yeah04:57
lee__oh wait what?04:58
megaqwertyCoasterMaster: Only feature upgrades are deferred to the next release. bugfixes, and security patches will make it into a stable release04:58
rabiddachshundprobably. It took him a week and a half to get it right and he said he had to use fwcutter on over a dozen different drivers before he could get it to work at all.04:58
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robinsonrunning Kubuntu Gutsy. How do i keep the screen from going black on my laptop when no key is pressed? trying to watch a movie on googlevideo, and i have to move the mouse abotu every five minutes04:58
rabiddachshundHow well does 4311 work in gutsy though?04:58
MasterShrekrabiddachshund, im running gutsy, it runs perfectly04:58
rocketsPici, im going to try adding the line to my sources.list and just change feisty to gutsy04:58
jscinozrobinson, go to system>prefs>screensaver, and untick "activate when idle"04:58
megaqwertyrobinson: System>Preferences>Screensaver04:58
robinsonKubuntu, in KDE04:58
megaqwertyheh, beat to it ;)04:58
Picirockets: Thats the best way to test, if it doesnt exist, it just wont work04:58
bazhangrobinson: are you also using compiz-fusion?04:59
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robinsonnegative04:59
rabiddachshundcool. What are the "three clicks" that I read about? Is that just in the package manager?04:59
MasterShrekrabiddachshund, i can give you a link to the firmware that i use04:59
rabiddachshundawesome.04:59
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robinsonmegaqwerty: running KDE, not GNome. any other ideas? Screensaver is not set to run automatically04:59
megaqwertyrabiddachshund: you mean, like for installing stuff? Yeah, it's pretty much three clicks in the package manager, or if you download a .deb04:59
MasterShrekrabiddachshund, http://www.mediafire.com/?bqn8x4eancv04:59
rocketsPici, it worked! but not all the packages are availible yet05:00
megaqwertyrobinson: sorry, a Gnome guy myself.05:00
MasterShrekrabiddachshund, you have to extract that file to /lib/firmware (need to be root or use sudo to do it)05:00
rabiddachshundIs that a permanent link?05:00
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MasterShreki guess so, i just uploaded that firmware to mediafire05:00
robinsonanyboy else? just want the screen to stay on unless i tell it otherwise....05:00
robinsonin KDE05:01
MasterShrekits been there for awhile rabiddachshund, but it says they dont ever go away, or not yet at least05:01
megaqwertyWell, I'm going to go spend some time with the family, Good night everyone!05:01
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rabiddachshundI'm not good with drivers. Is there anything else I need to do with it?05:02
jscinozIs there a list somewhere on launchpad of requested packages?05:02
MasterShrekrabiddachshund, nope, maybe reboot or remove the bcm43xx driver and reload it05:02
MasterShrekjscinoz, what package are you requesting?05:03
rabiddachshundok. It should work for feisty, right?05:03
jscinozMasterShrek, secondlife05:03
MasterShrekrabiddachshund, yes it was working for me in feisty before i upgraded, same firmware05:03
jscinozits GPL, reasonably stable, cant see why it shouldnt go in with the other games in the repo05:03
rabiddachshundcool. thank you.05:04
jscinoztoo late for gutsy though :(05:04
rocketsrabiddachshund, restricted-manager doesnt handle bcm43xx in feisty, and on top of that the package is broken, in the sense that the place it downloads the firmware for no longer exists (in feisty) it works in gutsy05:04
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rocketsfirmware from*05:04
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rabiddachshund:/05:04
rocketsrabiddachshund, but you can still install the package, then download the windows driver, then point bcm43xx-fwcutter at it05:05
rocketsthat will work05:05
rocketsbut really you should be asking about this in #ubuntu05:05
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rabiddachshundActually my question was how well does it work in gutsy. Really well, apparently.05:06
lee__wao i was able to relintialise the effects05:06
MasterShrekrabiddachshund, you dont have to go through all that though, thats what that archive i gave you the link for is, the already extracted firmware, no need to get the windows driver or use bcm43xx-fwcutter05:06
rocketsrabiddachshund, fantastically05:06
rocketsCan somebody explain to me the point of having firefox extensions in the repos? It seems silly because youll be stuck with old versions05:06
rocketsits not like you normally have to compile them05:06
rabiddachshundI've never used an RC before, so is there a chance that gutsy will break my dual boot with vista?05:07
rocketsrabiddachshund, i dual boot with vista05:07
lee__hmm I am reverting back..I have a fast computer but the graphicscs are messing up05:07
lee__hmm somethings wrong with the visual effects05:08
MasterShreklee__, doesnt surprise me, ive had them working good a million times, and all of a sudden they just stop05:09
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rocketsrabiddachshund, yay05:10
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MasterShrekrabiddachshund, good luck05:10
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hydrogenthe first thing I did after upgrading was uninstall compiz-fusion and strigi05:14
stdinbut, compiz-fusion isn't installed by default in kubuntu05:17
rocketshey whats the name of the really awesome mac os x 10.5-like dock05:17
rocketsfor linux05:17
rocketsis it avant or something05:18
nomasteryodakiba05:18
rocketsah thats it thanks05:18
nomasteryodanp05:18
rocketsi hope its in the repos05:18
rockets!info kibadock05:18
ubotuPackage kibadock does not exist in gutsy05:18
rocketsgrr05:18
nomasteryodathe install is easy05:18
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rocketsgrr, i just disabled wobbly windows. and my windows are still wobbly!05:19
nomasteryodajust restart compiz05:20
nomasteryodathat has worked for me05:20
rocketsk05:20
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cdm10if I run updates, I'll be on the equivalent of the RC, right?05:22
nomasteryodahttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26864505:23
nomasteryodathere ya go rockets05:23
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|neon|any  good soft to do lightscribe i found the lacie web page which has the lacie lightscribbbe that works with k3b have not install it yet05:29
rocketswhats the name of that firefox build thats compiled for specific architectures05:29
rocketsby some guy05:29
rocketsi keep thinking fasterfox but thats an extension05:29
stdinswiftfox, and the guy is evil, but use it if you want05:30
Jordan_U_Gutsyrockets: swiftfox, do NOT use it05:30
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rocketsJordan_U_Gutsy, i dont use it, i was just trying to remember05:30
rocketsJordan_U_Gutsy, its license is evil05:30
|neon|umm?05:30
rocketsits still an open source license but it doesnt allow you to redistribute binaries05:31
rocketsits stupid05:31
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Jordan_U_Gutsyhttp://www.getswiftfox.org/05:31
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rocketsJordan_1, is that the reason you say dont use it?05:33
Jordan_1rockets: That and I doubt that it is noticably faster anyway05:33
rocketsJordan_1, its not. i have used it05:33
rocketsgrr . . . this is so dumb. kcheckgmail is the best gmail notifier, and i have to install all this kde junk to use it. what does arts have to do with a gmail notifier.05:33
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ephesiusmy firefox won't start any ideas?05:40
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rocketsephesius, run it in a terminal and see what errors display05:41
ephesiusrockets, so far i have this (firefox-bin:16088): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "murrine",05:42
rocketshah05:43
rocketsi have no idea what that means05:43
rocketsbut mozilla has an irc server05:43
rocketsyou might have better luck there05:43
rocketsor you can try purging firefox and reinstalling05:43
ephesiusgutsy should have the murrine engine installed by default right05:43
ephesiusyea i tried that already05:43
rocketsephesius, not just a reinstall. remove with --purge05:43
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ephesiusso i installed the gtk-engines-murrine package and now i don't get the error but still nothing haha05:45
rocketslol05:45
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AncientRelicI'm trying to install the gutsy beta on my new laptop05:51
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Konamdennisharrison hey, did you got my msg?05:52
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rocketswtf05:54
rocketswhy is linux-generic in restricted05:54
stdinbecause it depends on linux-restricted-modules05:54
rocketsah05:54
SuperLagyou guys getting this message at all: ldconfig deferred processing now taking place05:56
SuperLag?05:56
stdinyeah, from dpkg, it's a good think06:00
stdinthinG06:00
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jpt9hey06:02
werswhy isn't ksync in the gutsy repos?06:03
jpt9my thinkpad made the ubuntu startup sound for the first time with the release candidate :-)06:03
jpt9anyway...06:03
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speedy20how do i upgrade to gutsy from feisty?06:03
jpt9i have an nvidia gfx card.06:03
basculeah well sound is a nice thing06:03
hydrogensee the topic speedy2006:03
rocketsgreat. aptitude just core dumped06:03
jpt9it needs restricted drivers to do compiz.06:03
dennisharrisonKonam, heya you there?06:04
AncientRelicspeedy20: wait about a week06:04
jpt9is there any way to get around having to restart the computer (as that won't work if i'm using the livecd)?06:04
speedy20a week for wat?06:04
AncientRelicspeedy20: The offiical release of Gutsy06:04
AncientRelicIf you really want to live dangerously, from a terminal type "sudo dist-upgrade -d"06:05
stdinspeedy20: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades06:05
speedy20oh ok....gutsy is like a upgraded version of feisty ?  what exactly is it?06:05
hydrogen.. or just look at the topic06:05
hydrogenwhere it tells you06:05
hydrogeneverything06:05
hydrogenif you are incapable of doing that you probably are not someone who wants ot upgrade06:05
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Konamdennisharrison yes06:05
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jpt9any ideas?06:06
dennisharrisonKonam, how are things going?  and no I haven't seen any messages from you, you need to register with freenode and get +e from services06:06
Konamdennisharrison I am registered06:07
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jpt9also, to whoever i was asking about getting synaptic working off the livecd last time...06:07
jpt9it works in the release candidate :-D06:07
Konamdennisharrison I just that I'm not log in06:07
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dennisharrisonahh ok06:08
AncientRelicI'm impressed with Gutsy, everything even works with my ATI video card06:08
dennisharrisonAncientRelic, what card?06:08
AncientRelicdennisharrison: ATI X300SE PCIe06:08
AncientRelicdennisharrison: $22 cheapie06:09
dennisharrisonKonam, did you resolve your issue by rolling drivers back?  if not would you mind running a few tests with me?06:09
dennisharrisonAncientRelic, hah, very neat06:09
Konamdennisharrison no, I don't mind, what should I do?06:10
dennisharrisonKonam, has your issue changed at all?06:10
Konamdennisharrison no,06:10
dennisharrisonare you registered with nickserv now so I can take this to pm ?06:11
Konamdennisharrison give me the command to log me in06:11
Konamplease06:11
rocketsAncientRelic, if you install xgl it will be configured for you automatically :-D06:12
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AncientRelicrockets, I did just that06:12
dennisharrisonKonam, /msg nickserv identify <password>06:12
rocketsAncientRelic, isnt that great :-D, no more screwing with sessions06:12
AncientRelicrockets, its lovely06:13
hydrogenprotip06:13
AncientRelicA sub-200 Linux box with COmpiz06:13
lee__erg, Ijust downlaoded an antiviurs and it said me deffinitions were over 4days old lol06:13
hydrogenif you configure konversation's freenode entry, you can set the serverpassword to be the password for your nick and get logged in06:13
lee__eh 4006:13
Konamdennisharrison already in, check my msg06:13
hydrogenwithout running a command for the identity06:13
ChaosParserhydrogen, you are my hero.06:14
lee__eh how dow we update the browser?06:14
rocketsw00t solved my splash screen issue06:14
rocketsusplash.conf was set to 1280x1024 and my system only goes to 1280x80006:15
rocketsCan I set usplash to a widescreen resolution like 1280x80006:15
AncientRelicwhen did the RC come out, I feel like I just got the Beta last week :D06:16
lee__rocets taht sounds like a hig def tv06:16
rocketslee__, no, its a 15" laptop lol06:16
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lee__oooh lol06:17
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lee__one would think that now crt are going out they soon will stop this 85 mhz and 60mhz06:17
lee__nad use 65 mhz lol06:17
lee__eh I mean 6006:17
ChaosParserlee__: Ah, but isn't one of linux's strengths being able to work on medicore hardware?  :-p06:18
lee__I have hdmi out too06:18
lee__hmm you have a point there lol06:18
lee__but they have stopped seeling crt :(06:18
lee__and my crt is dying :(06:19
ChaosParserlee__: Yes, well.  They've stopped selling 533Mhz processors, but some people still use them.06:19
lee__can't afford even the cheap lcdss yet06:19
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lee__533..wahts taht lol06:19
lee__Oh p106:19
CrackedIce533's can still be purchased06:19
basculelee__: buy a cheap laptop, they'll throw a lcd in06:19
logreevalIf I install the new Gutsy RC then when the final release comes out, will it have to redownload the entire thing?06:20
CrackedIcemost manufacturers just don't produce them06:20
lee__lol06:20
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usserlogreeval: no06:20
CrackedIcelog, no, it will upgrade06:20
usserlogreeval: nonsense of course not ))06:20
ChaosParserCrackedIce: stfu, nitpicker.06:20
lee__well ones tfer sure this program barely put a dent in my 80 gig hd06:20
logreevalas in, just a few packages or something?06:20
usserlogreeval: bug fixes mostly06:20
lee__well one hting I learned06:20
CrackedIcethe one's that have changes made06:20
logreevalwill it be that substantial?06:21
lee__leave my graphics card in the not used selcetion06:21
logreevali have a download limit of 425MB06:21
lee__saves on crashes06:21
CrackedIceit's usually just bug fixes, minor patches and changes, not entire debs06:21
usserlogreeval: that should be enough06:21
CrackedIceso you should be safe06:21
logreevalsounds great06:21
logreevallol06:21
lee__oh he other thing that is wierd and I don't understand..is why am i able to do effects on my ata but not my ide?06:21
logreevalcause i got a new build coming in soon, and i didnt want it to sit and wither away06:22
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ChaosParserlee__: What sort of effects?06:22
lee__oh can any recomend a good accoung piece of software06:22
lee__the woble06:22
hydrogendoes your harddrive fade in and out of existance?06:22
CrackedIcelol06:22
lee__actaully all of them basically06:22
hydrogenhmm06:23
hydrogenI'd say if your ata harddrive is doing 'the wobble' you have a screw missing06:23
lee__hmm no, its a 40 gig ps2 hdd lol06:23
basculeps2????06:23
lee__no..its a bend in time and space lol06:23
lee__oh the ps2 had linux..but..I cnat get it on it06:23
basculeah, an event horizon06:24
lee__so, now I suffer through ffxi06:24
frostburnOnly i can control space and time, and your ps2 is not a depression in my manifold.   Also, why a ps2?06:24
lee__lol because it makes for a cheap computer lol06:25
logreevalthanks guys06:25
frostburngo get an xbox06:25
lee__actaully the linux that was for it had a few goodies06:25
darius_There are about 50 bugs filed for the ipw3945 driver failing after returning from standy.  It was a problem in Feisty but it's even worse (for me) in Gutsy.  This driver (aside from the card firmware) is opensource -- for the love of god wtf? :)06:25
lee__oh I have an xbox06:25
basculeah as in playstatio2, I was thinking mouse ports ... :))06:25
frostburnlee__, go mod it?06:25
lee__I  have the ps2 plus version06:25
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lee__fromod it, then I can use this linux hehee?06:26
frostburn?06:26
lee__oh man I am a lous typest whne tired06:26
frostburn?06:27
CrackedIcedarius, yes, ipw3945 is buggy, but it seems platform specific, mine runs w. out a hitch06:27
RAOFdarius_: Well, it works for me, too.06:27
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lee__the PS2 once had linux that came out for itin america, it was then later banned here in the us06:27
lee__no idea why06:27
darius_there's literally 50 bugs for it!06:27
CrackedIcei know =] 06:27
CrackedIcei had a problem w. it too, but after some 3rd party repos, it was good again06:27
darius_My machine was sold with Ubuntu06:28
lee__cool06:28
darius_it's a sad state of affairs06:28
lee__why is it a sad state of afairs06:28
hydrogenipw3945 is being replaced by something..06:29
hydrogenI completely forget what thoguh06:29
riotkittieweird.  my desktop's showing three mounted CDs. it was four, until i ejected one.06:29
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lee__eh I have a dell diminsion 515006:29
CrackedIcehydrogen you're right, but i forget too06:29
basculeriotkittie: that makes sense 4 -1 = 3 :)06:29
hydrogenits iXX####06:29
darius_lee__: a machine that is sold with Ubuntu with a network card that has a vendor supported/provided opensource drive, that had the same problem in a previous release06:29
riotkittiebascule: well yes and no.  :P06:29
lee__just some wierd thing aobut hyper threading in the ati card and som wierd thing about..dual threaidng processor06:30
riotkittiei mean 4 - 1 does = 3 but.06:30
ChaosParser iwl394506:30
lee__oh I see dariouse06:30
lee__eh darius06:30
hydrogenyea06:30
ChaosParserhydrogen: , darius_, CrackedIce, its being replaced by  iwl394506:31
CrackedIcethank you beth =] 06:31
vmlinuz`worest p2p client i ever saw is amule. Anyone know a better one?06:31
lee__say how ca n one tell of te intell processor can hand a 64 bit piece of soft ware?06:31
darius_ChaosParser: is iwl3945 ready to replace it now or still unstable?06:31
ChaosParserlee__: is it a 64 bit capable processor?06:31
frostburnlee__, cat /proc/cpuinfo06:31
ChaosParserdarius_: Ugh, lemme google it.06:32
basculelee__: an intel 386 can't06:32
darius_ChaosParser: I can dig - just thought you might now06:32
lee__hmm just a sec how do I check the processor06:32
lee__oh06:32
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ChaosParserdarius_: It appears to be stable in Fedora Core 706:32
lee__dumb ? lol just a sec06:32
darius_wish it had made its way into Gutsy :/06:33
ChaosParserdarius_: http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi06:33
CrackedIcedarius, it is going to be in gutsy i think06:33
ChaosParserCrackedIce: What package manager does fedora use?06:33
darius_there's only a week left isn't there? :)06:33
CrackedIcefedora uses rpm06:33
basculeyum06:34
lee__eh its a p406:34
basculewhich isn't well named i assure you06:34
ChaosParserdarius_: Grab the fedora package and use Alien to convert it to a .deb06:34
CrackedIcelol, rpm is the package manager, yum is the installer. silly06:34
RAOFdarius_: iwl works reasonably well.06:34
ChaosParserOh crap.  Does alien work on gutsy?06:34
lee__clflush size    : 6406:34
ChaosParserAnyone try?06:34
CrackedIceit does =D06:35
CrackedIcealien is stable06:35
RAOFdarius_: I find it doesn't survive a resume from suspend, though :)06:35
ChaosParseryay06:35
darius_hah, great06:35
DShepherdRAOF, whats your spec?06:35
lee__what the heck is an fpu extenstion?06:35
RAOFBut then again, I find that ipw *does* resume from suspend, so maybe iwl will for you :)06:35
RAOFDShepherd: 3945 card, C2D, etc.06:36
frostburnlee__, floating point unit06:36
darius_It's been a breeze to convert people to Ubuntu - except for hardware.  Hardware has been a bigger problem than support for their favorite software packages.  That's painful06:36
CrackedIcedarius06:36
frostburnlee__, before 386 (or was it 486) floating point operations could be done on an external fpu06:36
RAOFdarius_: That's the way it goes, sadly.06:36
ChaosParserdarius_: Gutsy is has made awesome progress.06:36
CrackedIcethat's because many hw manus don't support linux, and are propritary so won't release the sources for their drivers for us to convert them over06:37
frostburndarius_, actually linux supports more devices than any other system06:37
darius_yeah, Gutsy is definitely a worthy upgrade - but still, the same hardware problems06:37
ChaosParserdarius_: Gutsy has honestly made installing Ubuntu EASIER than windows. On all four of my PCs.06:37
lee__ Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz06:37
darius_frostburn: that's debatable06:37
lee__eh does that answer lol?06:37
CrackedIcedarius, no it's not06:37
frostburndarius_, windows doesn't run on sparc =] 06:38
basculeChaosParser: linux has installed easier than windows for about 3 years IMO06:38
darius_yeah, nice example06:38
CrackedIcelinux kernel otb supports way more hw than any other os on the market06:38
ChaosParserdarius_: Uhm.  No.  The generic linux vanilla kernel supports more than anything else.  Period.06:38
darius_too bad that doesn't help real Ubuntu users :)06:38
lee__so waht ama I looking for taht says what?06:38
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lee__I cant figure out this dual threading stuff06:38
darius_what about real desktop users06:38
CrackedIcelee, what's to figure out?06:38
ChaosParserbascule: I mean as far as time to get everything working properly.  Previous to Gutsy I had network, sound, and video issues during instals.06:38
hyljedarius_: it might not help *each* and *every* but most are fine. stop trolling.06:38
frostburnbascule, i did the same thing to my family.  I told them that windows support has run out and will only support ubuntu.  no complaints06:39
basculeCrackedIce: sure I see the point, cause if hardware doesn't just work, it is hard -> impossible to get working06:39
CrackedIcelinux runs on calcs, pdas, even robots. it runs on desktops, servers, workstations, etc. it's just better. period06:39
darius_hylje: few people convert more people to Ubuntu than me - you don't have a troll here.  But the statement that hardware is better supported by Ubuntu that any other OS is misleading06:39
lee__wahts a cashflush size?06:39
ChaosParserbascule: Its never impossible.  If you tried hard enough you could probably install linux on a dead badger.06:40
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CrackedIcelol, you'd just have to write the drivers yourself06:40
lee__bogomips        : 5586.0406:40
ChaosParserCrackedIce: Yeah.  But at least you have that option.06:40
CrackedIcejust most linux users today are too lazy to take the inititive06:40
basculefrostburn: well good on you for that, I work as a tech, in 4 years i has seen no linux machines on my desk, I have seen 3 in the last month, all ubuntu06:40
lee__waht the heck is a bogmip lol06:40
frostburnlee__, www.google.com =P06:41
basculeChaosParser: lol06:41
darius_CrackedIce: silly.  Most linux users couldn't write a driver if you gave them 6 months with nothing else to do06:41
ChaosParserdarius_: I think that depends on the distro.06:41
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CrackedIceand the user06:41
awalton__"mips" = millions of instructions per second, "bogo" means "calculated as best we can", or "bogus"06:41
ChaosParserdarius_: I betcha Sorcerer users could more often than say, PCLinuxOS users.06:41
DShepherdand the 6 months06:41
riotkittiei'm sure i could write a driver for six months. it wouldnt work, on any level, and it would exist solely in a text file, but i could do it. :x06:41
riotkittieerr in. not for.06:42
darius_well, this is an Ubuntu channel I'm speaking in.  you could have taken it globally I guess, but it would still be true06:42
awalton__lee__, for intel machines, it's generally 2x the number of mhz of your processor, for arm is generally about 1x06:42
riotkittiebut you didnt say it had to serve a purpose. or have functionality. :x06:42
ChaosParserHey, CrackedIce.  Next time we end up partying, wanna write a driver?06:42
CrackedIcedarius, how do you think we GOT the drivers we have now?06:42
CrackedIcehaha, fo sho06:42
CrackedIcei wrote my own kernel btw chaos06:42
darius_CrackedIce: it was the effort of "most" Ubuntu users.  It was the effort of a minorty of linux users that are extremely capable and kind06:43
ChaosParserCrackedIce: I don't think Sho needs drivers.  OOOOoh. unless we could write a sho driver that would make her stop calling happy meal every 3 seconds.06:43
CrackedIcelmao06:43
CrackedIceomg06:43
CrackedIcewow06:43
CrackedIce<306:43
ChaosParser<306:43
ChaosParserdarius_: Yer a very negative person.06:43
CrackedIceagreed06:43
ChaosParserdarius_: I mean, I work tech support too.  I did tech support for the worst possible users in the whole WORLD.  And still.  You are negative.06:44
darius_maybe you're just optimistic .. even a little zealotous06:44
ChaosParserI did technical support for AOL for a year.06:44
ChaosParserI am NOT optimistic.06:44
Tm_Tok kids, calm down06:44
frostburnyou have my sympathy06:44
riotkittiehahahaha.06:44
darius_I'm just honestly responding to your statement06:44
darius_I love Ubuntu and push it - but with care06:45
CrackedIceme and her both did AOL tech support06:45
riotkittiethat must have been a great job.06:45
ChaosParserriotkittie: It was awesome, in retrospect.06:45
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CrackedIcei didn't want the place to get shot up, i just wanted to shoot myself =[06:45
basculeChaosParser: surprised you are still alive after 1 year aol06:45
vmlinuz`It's weird, i try to "put file" into another shell account using "ftp" and it say no such file/directory, when the file is there. Thus i click "tab" to complete the file location. http://pastebin.com/m4cc121406:45
vmlinuz`can someone tell me why its saying that06:45
CrackedIcedid you ls the current dir to make SURE its there?06:46
vmlinuz`yep06:46
vmlinuz`its there06:46
ChaosParserAww, it wasn't that bad.  Lots of football, accidentally hanging up on people, learning aikdo during calls.  Surfing the net.... etc.06:46
bascule:)06:46
ChaosParservmlinuz`: Case right?06:46
CrackedIceare you ftping to another machine?06:46
basculestandard tech job then ChaosParser06:47
frostburnvmlinuz`, do you have permissions to open that file06:47
vmlinuz`ChaosParser: I write it with <tab> and it completed it, hence its there06:47
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vmlinuz`frostburn: hm. What permission the file should be? I created it using my X server. so Its obvious that my username should have access to it06:47
ChaosParserbascule: Nuh uh.  Corporate Sector Hardware Warranty support now, and no web browsing.  :(  Or hanging up on people.06:48
CrackedIcetry chmodding to 077706:48
CrackedIceto be safe06:48
frostburnvmlinuz`, not sure what ftp server you're using but you may not have enough permissions to write06:48
frostburnCrackedIce, other side, not client06:48
vmlinuz`frostburn: k06:49
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CrackedIcefrostburn, i meant the dir on the other side06:49
frostburn=] 06:49
CrackedIceif he has access to it06:49
vmlinuz`frostburn: I did "sudo chmod 777 filename"06:50
vmlinuz`and try to upload, still doesn't work.06:50
CrackedIcevmlinuz, i was looking, try to cd to the Desktop dir, and try the command again from there as "put ./file that i'm not typing out06:50
frostburnvmlinuz`, the folder you are writign to might be write protected06:51
vmlinuz`frostburn: how to check/change that pls?06:51
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frostburnor your ftp account name doesn't give permissions to write to that folder06:51
CrackedIcefrostburn, he gave it global write permission, it's not protected =p06:51
CrackedIceoh, he did the file, not the folder06:51
CrackedIcedoi06:52
vmlinuz`it worked the way CrackedIce told me to do06:52
vmlinuz`I wonder why06:52
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vmlinuz`why i can't "put /path/path/file"06:52
vmlinuz`but if i go "cd /path/path" then "ftp server" then "put file" it work06:52
CrackedIcebecause you were trying to put it to a path that doesn't exist on the server side06:52
frostburnlee__, i've seen you around for the past few days on several channels, are you interested in learning the guts of linux?06:52
lee__WOW its a 64 bit processo an em 64t or something like that06:52
lee__yes06:53
frostburnlee__, got a free computer?06:53
lee__eh no06:53
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frostburnlee__, got vmware?06:53
lee__that is why i was hoping to use myps206:53
stdinvmlinuz`: there is a  "lcd" command in ftp to cd to a local directory06:53
lee__oh wait, i have a 40 guig hd06:53
vmlinuz`CrackedIce: so thats an "ftp" client bug right?06:53
vmlinuz`stdin: thanks06:53
steve__I'm doing the distro upgrade and it seems to have frozen on "configuring wvdial". It's been sitting there for about half an hour now.06:54
CrackedIceno, it's not a bug06:54
frostburnlee__, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/index.xml  install that and you'll learn everything you need to know06:54
lee__i can just change over so yes06:54
basculeslight exegeration frostburn06:54
frostburnbascule, perhaps, but it's a good start =] 06:55
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lee__ok i bm the page.. i am going to lokk at tht processor a second time in th bios06:55
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basculefrostburn: LFS is the true learning experience :)06:55
frostburnbascule, eh, gentoo docs are better maintained when you get stuck06:56
steve__I'm doing the distro upgrade and it seems to have frozen on "configuring wvdial". It's been sitting there for about half an hour now. Is it hosed or what?06:56
basculefrostburn: yeah gentoo raised the bar on docs for all distros everywhere06:56
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A_is_Aok, ive upgraded to gutsy. gparted will not start, and i am unable to mount sdb106:58
frostburnA_is_A, are you root?06:59
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CrackedIceor at least sudoing?06:59
A_is_Ayes im sudoing06:59
A_is_Ano dice06:59
hydrogenall installing gentoo or lfs teaches you is how to follow instructions06:59
frostburnwhat error?06:59
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A_is_Afrostburn: me?06:59
frostburnA_is_A, yes06:59
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CrackedIceA_is_A: yeah, you07:00
A_is_Ai dont get an error. it just scans forever and never finds anythings07:00
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lee__its confirmd the processor Iam currently running is an EM64T07:00
basculehydrogen: nah, lfs explains what the packages do and why they go in in that order07:00
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lee__so does that mean I should be running 64 bit lol07:00
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CrackedIceA_is_A: are you sure your device is sda1? did you check fstab? and you should receive an error upon an unsuccessful mount or if gparted won't start07:01
hydrogenbascule: however, anyone crazy enough to install lfs most likely knows the basic building blocks of a system already07:01
A_is_Aas for info...its formatted ext3....its not ntfs or anything like that07:01
cellofellowCan I get the Compiz water effect to work like xDesktopWaves?07:01
hydrogenso it doesn't teach you that07:01
basculelee__: you are aware that PS2 is a PPC ?07:01
A_is_Ait was sdb1 before the upgrade from fiesty07:01
frostburnlee__, you're running a p4, right?07:01
basculehydrogen: I didn't, just tried it and leared as I went07:01
nemikhi guys. what's going on in this chat?07:01
lee__on my pc yes eh not the ps207:02
lee__yes07:02
basculeok07:02
CrackedIceA_is_A: it should automatically mount on boot, does it not?07:02
hydrogenbascule: and did you realize how much of a waste of time lfs was along the way?07:02
basculeyes07:02
A_is_Ano07:02
lee__its stating that it is a EM64t07:02
bascule:))07:02
frostburnlee__, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1 start there07:02
A_is_Ashould i pastebin my fsttab?07:02
A_is_Ai think i found the oprb07:02
frostburnem64t= amd64 = x86_6407:02
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ChaosParserA_is_A: Are you opening gparted from the icon or a terminal?07:03
CrackedIceA_is_A: what seems to be the issue?07:03
A_is_Ait has a bunch of parameters for an ntfs drive...ill pastebin it07:03
CrackedIceA_is_A: is it gpart or gparted?07:03
ChaosParserA_is_A: Open it from a terminal, then move the terminal so you can see it, and it should show you the error, even if you don't get a graphical error.07:03
A_is_Agparted07:03
basculehydrogen: but it undoubtedly gave me a huge amount of insight into low level sytem understanding07:03
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A_is_Ai dont get an error in the terminal07:03
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steve__the love in here is just overwhelming.07:03
lee__eh where do I start then?07:04
A_is_Ahttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40331/07:04
frostburnlee__, read =P07:04
A_is_Asdb1 isnt ntfs anymore07:04
CrackedIcegood.07:04
A_is_Ahasnt been for a while...but i worked in fiesty07:04
A_is_Aso what should i change it too07:04
CrackedIcewell you said it's ext3, so you should have it set as such, with the appropriate options07:05
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gunashekarhi07:05
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jdrakeI do not have the system admin entry for managing users. Is there a way to determine if it is infact installed? (I am also missing the entry for synaptic, but I know it is installed).07:05
CrackedIcejdrake, try sudo alacarte, see if it opens the menu editor for you, and see if they are listed in there in the appropriate locations07:07
CrackedIceif they are, place a check by them07:07
AmaranthNo!07:07
AmaranthNever run alacarte as root07:07
CrackedIcecrap07:07
CrackedIceyeah, you're right07:07
CrackedIcejust run alacarte07:07
CrackedIcenot sudo07:07
ChaosParserlmao.07:07
ChaosParserGood one, CrackedIce07:08
CrackedIcehaha, yeah yeah07:08
CrackedIcebrain fart07:08
jdrakeToo late07:09
jdrakesudo chown -R jdrake:jdrake .config/*07:10
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jdrakethen fixed07:10
CrackedIceawesome07:10
jdrakeyep, the entries are there07:10
jdrakeMerci07:10
jdrakeI click the item and within a second or two it unchecks itself07:10
jdrakeNo entry in the terminal explaining why07:11
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CrackedIcei've seen that before, just remove the entry and recreate it, that USUALLY sovles it07:11
ChaosParserjdrake: I've had that bug.  Reboot.07:11
ChaosParserI hate that bug.07:11
CrackedIceditto07:11
jdrakeNow I have just updated a few things today.07:11
jdrakeok, I guess reboot I do, brb.07:12
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vmlinuz`I can't make 2 btorrents download run at the same time?07:14
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basculevmlinuz`: change clients07:14
vmlinuz`what other client07:15
basculewell I am a K* person so I use ktorrent, but tere are others07:15
CrackedIcebittornado07:15
basculethere you go :)07:15
CrackedIceor opera ;] 07:15
basculeopera torrents, well well well ..07:16
ChaosParserOpera FTW.07:16
CrackedIcemmhm, opera pwns firefox07:16
hyljeopera has one built in07:16
ChaosParserThat's what I'm using to chat here right now.07:16
CrackedIcelmao ChaosParser, opera FTW indeed07:16
macogw_im using Deluge07:16
basculei used opera on win but preferred firefox when i went full time linux07:16
macogw_i like KTorrent too though07:17
CrackedIcebascule: opera on linux is much more stable than firefox07:17
CrackedIcesadly07:17
basculeis it, maybe give it another go07:17
ChaosParserbascule: I love that my mail, rss feeds, chat and browsing are all one program :)07:17
macogw_seamonkey?07:17
frostburnCrackedIce, i haven't had firefox crash since gutsy07:17
basculeyeah it is a slick app and no oubt about it07:17
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CrackedIcebascule: i'd recommend it07:18
frostburnvmlinuz`, use azureus, but get it from sourceforge07:18
ChaosParsermacogw: Seamonkey is still no Opera.07:18
CrackedIcefrostburn: i have =p07:18
frostburnCrackedIce, what error?07:18
basculeCrackedIce: I remember just how fast it was in win,07:18
vmlinuz`http://pastebin.com/m34b1710c07:18
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ChaosParserThere is no browser that does tabs as well as Opera.  .07:18
vmlinuz`frostburn: can it download multiple torrents at same time?07:18
frostburnvmlinuz`, and the kitchen sink07:19
CrackedIcefrostburn: no error, just freezes up07:19
vmlinuz`frostburn: and why should ig et it from sourceforge, isnt it availble in apt-get07:19
ChaosParservmlinuz`: Yeah, it is.07:19
basculeyeah ftp session management and all sorts, lacks extensions though07:19
frostburnvmlinuz`, the one in the repos are quirky07:19
macogwwhy doesn't firefox compile on gutsy?07:19
vmlinuz`okay07:19
macogwit will only "make" on feisty07:19
jdrakeI have rebooted, and it does not fix the alacarte bug07:20
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ChaosParserjdrake: Do you have compiz on?07:20
basculemacogw: well it does or there wuldn;t be a .deb, but I dunno other than that07:20
macogwi need to compile it for a class07:20
frostburnmacogw, you don't have the deps or configuration correct07:21
jdrakeChaosParser: yes07:21
macogwand really they probably took mozilla's dynamically linked tarball and put a debian postinst script to put it in the right place07:21
macogwi did "sudo apt-get build-dep firefox"07:21
ChaosParserjdrake: Turn it off, close alacarte, then reopen alacarte and try again07:21
macogwand ./configure doesnt say anything's wrong07:21
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frostburnmacogw, do ./configure --verbose07:21
macogwit just dies on nsCanvasContext2D07:21
macogwok07:22
jdrakeChaosParser: no change07:22
basculens, hmm SSL stuff IIRC07:22
vmlinuz`frostburn: now how ot change my default torrent client from bittorrent which only can download 1 file at a time, to azureus for multiple download07:22
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CrackedIcevmlinuz, it's in the prefrences07:22
ChaosParserjdrake: I fixed this the other day.... lemme see if I can recreate the issue on my PC.  One sec.07:22
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frostburnmacogw, what version are you compiling, i'm going to try as well07:24
macogw2.0.0.707:24
macogwi did find an error in config.log07:24
macogwhttp://pastebin.ca/73391107:24
macogwi havent finished skimming through it07:24
CrackedIcejdrake: have you tried to remove the entries from alacarte, and recreating them?07:24
macogwbut i got the build-dep from apt07:25
jdrakeNo, and I don't fancy that option.07:25
ChaosParserjdrake: Okay.  Hightlight the desired item.  Then Right click to get the menu to edit... but dont.  then left click to highlight the item again, and the checkmark will stay.07:25
ChaosParserjdrake: Its odd, but it works.07:25
macogwand its the tarball from http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0.0.7/source/07:25
macogwfrostburn: ^^07:26
ChaosParserjdrake: Alternately, using the keyboard to select things will work.07:26
macogwthough it fails with the source package as well07:26
basculeconfigure:5590: error: size of array 'static_assert_line_5589' is negative <- error07:26
macogwso that's an error in the actual firefox code though then, isnt it?07:26
basculewell yes07:26
jdrakeChaosParser: Do you mean to have the checkmark be checked on the first click after the menu is opened? At this time one click to close the menu and another to check it - which summarily disappears right afterwards.07:27
basculethe build script07:27
ChaosParserjdrake: No.  The first click should only highlight the line, not checkmark the box.07:27
frostburnmacogw, i'm getting configuration errors07:28
jdrakeWhere are the menu entries for this?07:28
CrackedIcemacogw: im getting config errors as well07:28
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jdrakeThe actual files that is07:28
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lee__ps2 is  a ppc?07:29
lee__so that means what?07:29
frostburnmacogw, http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Build_Documentation07:29
ChaosParserjdrake: Just use the keyboard instead.  Its easier.07:30
nevion_is x86_64's kernel tickless yet?  if so.. any clue when?  I found it really hard to get any info on this...07:30
nevion_*if not07:30
stdinthe -generic one is07:31
jdrakeChaosParser: I am trying what you said, but it seems to have no effect.07:31
lee__oh man this meansd i should be running gutsy in 64 bit erg07:31
macogwfrostburn: i already read that and have my .mozconfig made07:31
nevion_hmm... well that's what I'm booted into07:31
basculelee__: no it is a non-x86 processor you need yellow dog or such for ps207:32
macogwone of my friends built it on feisty and using the exact same mozconfig tried on gutsy and it faile07:32
nevion_any way to tell if its active or do I need to do something special?07:32
macogw*failed07:32
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nevion_powertop says its not detected...07:32
frostburnmacogw, different distros, go through it and make sure everything is in place.  not sure how much else i can help07:32
alecw2I'm having problems getting SynfigStudio to run in Gusty. Anyone else having similar problems?07:32
lee__oh , eh i under stand that part talking about my pc07:32
CrackedIcealecw2: what ver of the deb are you using, and what repos?07:33
CrackedIcebecause i'm not07:33
macogwfrostburn: all the configure options are are just to make it shared instead of static and to enable debugging and "i want to build the browser (as opposed to mail client or calendar)"07:33
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alecw2Crackedlce, I just downloaded it from sudo apt-get, haven't messed with the repos at all07:33
alecw2CrackedIce: I get this error:07:34
frostburnmacogw, want to pastebin it? i'll see what i can do07:34
frostburnthe .mozconfig07:34
alecw2GThread-ERROR **: GThread system may only be initialized once.07:34
alecw2aborting...07:34
alecw2Aborted (core dumped)07:34
alecw2In the terminal07:34
CrackedIcealecw2: check your sources.list, see if you have the backports and proposed enabled. if not, enable and update, then do an upgrade.07:34
CrackedIcetry that first07:34
stdinnevion_: if " grep "CONFIG_NO_HZ" /boot/config-$(uname -r) " shows "CONFIG_NO_HZ=y" then it's active07:34
CrackedIcelet me see what i can find on the error for ya07:34
nevion_stdin ah, I didn't think of checking the included config07:35
alecw2CrackedIce: Can you guide me through it? I've done it before, but it was quite a while ago...07:35
nevion_or rather I forgot it was included07:35
crdlbnevion_, it's not07:35
ChaosParserjdrake: I'm sorry, I dunno why its not working for you.07:35
crdlbit just hasn't been written yet07:35
crdlbat least not as of 2.6.2207:35
CrackedIcealecw2: check your private messages07:36
macogwfrostburn: http://pastebin.ca/73392207:36
jdrakeChaosParser: Thank you for trying07:36
alecw2CrackedIce: I don't have any... I'm not registered yet, if that matters.07:36
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jdrakeAny ideas on how to disable the mouse wheel functionality on the desktop? (it switches desktops, most annoying)07:36
CrackedIcealecw2:  it doesn't, you should have a pm07:37
crdlbjdrake, with compiz?07:37
CrackedIcewhat client are you using?07:37
ChaosParserjdrake: No problem.  I'm the queen of random fixes that make no sense and only work for me.  :-D07:37
alecw2CrackedIce: I don't. Maybe pastebin?07:37
jdrakecrdlb: si07:37
alecw2CrackedIce: Pidgin.07:37
crdlbjdrake, turn off the "Viewport switcher" plugin07:37
crdlbin ccsm07:37
lee__eh yellows for ps307:37
ChaosParserCrackedIce: Non registered users don't get PMs.07:37
ChaosParserCrackedIce: Thats pretty much an IRC universal thing.07:37
CrackedIceChaosParser: yeah they do07:37
CrackedIcei'm not registered and i got urs07:38
CrackedIceso sh07:38
crdlbChaosParser, no, they just can't send them to registered users07:38
jdrakeAwesome!07:38
ChaosParserMy bad, my bad.07:38
crdlbwho haven't set themselves unfiltered07:38
frostburnmacogw, my configure worked07:38
CrackedIcealecwh: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list07:38
alecwhCrackedIce: Now try with alecwh07:38
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alecwhCrackedIce: I didn't get a pm if you sent one. :P Anyway, I'm at the sources.list.07:40
macogwfrostburn: configure finishes for me just fine.  it fails on make and then if i go back and look at config.log there are errors07:40
CrackedIcealecwh: you also want to make sure it has all the universe and multiverse repos enabled07:40
frostburnmacogw, i'm compiling now, i'll let you know when i get an error07:41
alecwhCrackedIce: Ok, I uncommented some lines07:41
alecwhsaved it07:41
alecwhnow what?07:41
macogwfrostburn: itll be right after cairo07:41
CrackedIcesudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade07:41
macogwwhen it hits nscanvas07:41
CrackedIcefor safe measures ;] 07:41
alecwhok. :)07:41
CrackedIcetry that07:42
CrackedIcelet me look up the issue though07:42
alecwhok, downloading package lists.07:42
alecwhCrackedIce: done.07:43
CrackedIcedid it do the upgrades?07:43
alecwhit didn't upgrade anything.07:43
CrackedIceno upgrades?07:43
CrackedIcehang on, i'm going to send you a file07:44
alecwhIt updated my package lists07:44
alecwhbut no upgrades or updates to software07:44
alecwhok07:44
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vmlinuz`azureus doesnt start the download :( its always 0%07:44
n08l3Jhey gutsy folks i just installed it on my dell, i m not able to configure the sound card07:44
n08l3Jany help07:44
alecwhCrackedIce: I'll send you my email, join /j #blehhh and I'll give it to you (so I don't get spammed)...07:44
lee__eh if you were wondering where I got the OEM setu up version this is where I go it from http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/7.10/07:45
lee__eh taht is  how I got the oem version07:45
lee__which I used for setting this compter up07:45
n08l3JI am trying to enable the sound on this machine, but when i click on Test in the sound preferences, it says "Could not open resource for writing" ?07:46
frostburnmacogw, http://live.gnome.org/JhbuildIssues/mozilla07:46
CrackedIcealecwh: use that file as your sources.list07:47
CrackedIceand then try the commands i told you to run07:47
lee__OH WOW big Diference in 10 you can lose the broswser and still download07:47
alecwhCrackedIce: What file? :(07:47
CrackedIcecrap... maybe i should use pidgin too07:47
CrackedIcealecwh: do you have xchat?07:47
CrackedIceor aim?07:47
lee__frostburn Ill take a look at the project tomaorw, plus Ihavent any way to save atm07:48
alecwhCrackedIce: no, I do have AIM.07:48
alecwhAIM: phpns07:48
lee__out of disks lol07:48
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frostburnlee__, no cd-rw?07:49
macogwfrostburn: oh well ill try that then.  i have a former netscape employee going "what the...negative array? is it checking that a long is 8? why's it...what???"07:49
frostburnor usb keys?07:49
ChaosParserlolz.07:49
frostburnmacogw, 8 bytes07:49
ChaosParsern08l3J: What model Dell?07:50
vmlinuz`frostburn: seeds 0(830) that means there is seeds but they are not working for me, azureus is not downloading at all. what I should do man07:50
macogwfrostburn: well yeah she said sizeof(long) i just kinda mushed everything together when i paraphrased07:50
frostburnvmlinuz`, you need to port forward with your router and set up the default ports07:50
frostburnto something else07:51
n08l3JChaosParser, Inspiron 152007:51
vmlinuz`what default ports frostburn07:51
gunashekarGutsy kubuntu works well on my laptop including wireless lan , only problem is my Huawei USB Modem drivers , dont work with niswrapper too07:52
ChaosParsern08l3J: Do you have any sound?07:52
vmlinuz`frostburn: done07:52
n08l3Jnope i didnot07:52
vmlinuz`6881 - 68896881 - 688907:52
n08l3Jthe sound prefernces doesn't help either :(07:52
frostburnvmlinuz`, choose a random number higher than 10,00007:52
ChaosParserwhat about alsamixer?07:52
ChaosParsero.o, new xckd.  brb07:52
SuperLagIs there a way to disable the X config tool that automatically tries to configure my display every #@$@#$#@$ time I boot?07:52
vmlinuz`frostburn: done from router, but still not downloading07:53
n08l3JI tried changint it, it says "Could not open resource for writing"07:53
frostburnvmlinuz`, http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/PortForwarding   give it some time and check if there's any errors, mouse over the little face icon07:53
frostburnmacogw, using http://pastebin.ca/733926 for now, we'll see how far it goes07:53
ChaosParsern08l3J: Does alsamixer open?07:54
macogwyeah im compiling now too07:54
kingrayrayhttp://kingrayray.wallooza.org/Screenshot.png :D07:54
n08l3Jhm.. I am not sure, i am new to ubuntu, please explain a bit more ChaosParser07:54
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ChaosParsern08l3J: Sorry.  Open a terminal, and type alsamixer   into it.07:55
n08l3Jwhen i tried it on the cli, it says snd_ctl_open failed for default:No such device07:55
n08l3Jseems like the default driver isn't working with this card07:55
gunashekarmy sound works after i changed audio device to OSS07:56
lee__dang now Iam ticked..Iam missing out 64bit tatse07:56
vmlinuz`frostburn: it is very hard lol, I did forward ports in my router but now i dont know what to do .. anyways what is the other program name you told me about? bittorrent isnt that complicated but it only download 1 file.07:56
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lee__eh I jsut find one taht has an ISO immage07:57
tech0007hi everyone07:57
ChaosParservmlinuz`: Just use Opera.07:57
n08l3Jhm.. gunashekar how did you do that , imean how did you change the device to oss ?07:57
vmlinuz`ChaosParser: ok07:57
gunashekari use kubuntu , can tell you about that07:58
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gunashekarn08l3J: do you use kubuntu or ubuntu07:58
n08l3Ji am using ubunt gutsy07:58
gunashekarjust look for the sound system settings07:58
lee__lol, iam using gutsy the eh well Ican't explain it down load07:59
gunashekarand change the option for audio device07:59
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lee__from cd07:59
n08l3JI tried using the sound system settings, but it gave me "Could not open the resource for writing"07:59
n08l3JI am not sure why but it does gave me that error07:59
ChaosParsern08l3J: Click on Applications>Accessories>Terminal08:00
n08l3JOkay what else ChaosParser08:00
ChaosParserin the terminal,type alsamixer08:00
lee__perhaps my studies into linux will leaving me to wonder why, it dont get viruses lol08:00
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n08l3Jit says snd_ctl_open failed for default:No such device08:00
gunashekarah then your you have to solve that problem first08:00
ChaosParsern08l3J: okay.  type in lspci08:01
n08l3Jhow ?08:01
ChaosParserthen look for something that looks like a soundcard.08:01
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frostburnmacogw, it's a problem with pango, as far as i can see, kind of tired to dig through the code though08:02
macogwim an idiot08:02
n08l3Jlspci gave me a bunh of entries08:02
n08l3Jbunch08:02
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ChaosParsern08l3J: Do you know what sound card you have?08:03
macogwlast winter my old bf told me to write a doubly linked list in java or he'd break up with me08:03
macogwi did and last week i deleted it08:03
kingrayraywtf08:03
macogwthis week i've been assigned to write a doubly linked list in java for class08:03
n08l3Jand the audo device is intel 82801H (ICH8 Family08:03
frostburnmacogw, lol reminds me of my java teacher, she wanted us to write a singly linked list, i did double because it was harder, and she made me redo it -.-08:03
macogwhahaha08:03
ChaosParsern08l3J: Gimme a second.08:04
RAOFmacogw: The question is wrong.  Never write doubly-linked lists - that's what the frikkin standard library should be for :P08:04
macogwwell he gave me single in C and said "ok so that's teh basic idea. now write double in java"08:04
macogwhwh08:04
macogw*heh08:04
n08l3Jokay ChaosParser08:04
macogwlinked lists dont even make much sense in java08:04
macogwin C, they're *really* sensible because there are pointers08:04
macogwi know java references are sorta kinda close08:04
RAOFmacogw: There are pointers in Java, just annoyingly obfuscated.08:05
RAOFNullPointerException :P08:05
macogwbut honestly, when you're talking about it having a "next" that *points to the next node* actually having pointers makes sense08:05
macogwyeah08:05
frostburngod i haven't coded in so long, sigh.08:05
ChaosParsern08l3J: It looks like you have the same sound cards as some of the latitudes, which means there may be a red hat driver for it..08:05
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macogwim just ticked that i deleted my doubly linked list08:05
RAOFEh, write a python script to write doubly-linked-lists in Java :)08:06
n08l3Jokay but how do i get that driver chaos08:06
frostburnRAOF, my python book is still unopened =|08:06
macogwis it Jelkner's python book???08:07
RAOFfrostburn: Python *book*?08:07
n08l3Ji just get this laptop recently so seems like this may be a new chip08:07
SuperLagWhat is it that tries to automatically detect your display and video card? What's the name of that process?08:07
frostburnmacogw, wesley j chun08:07
macogwoh08:07
frostburnRAOF, more like bible08:07
RAOFHeh.08:07
RAOFSuperLag: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?08:08
ChaosParsern08l3J: http://moelhave.dk/gnulinux-ubuntu-gutsy-gibbon-710-on-the-sony-vaio-sz6-series08:08
SuperLagRAOF: this Gutsy install would be perfect, if nvidia would work.08:08
ChaosParserSuperLag: Whats wrong with it?08:08
SuperLagI can get the nvidia module to load if I manually recompile it every time, but once I reboot, X *always* goes back to vesa08:09
macogwfrostburn: jelkner took downey's "how to think like a computer scientist" (which uses c++) and adapted it to python08:09
RAOFmacogw: SICP08:10
ChaosParserThat's... bizzare.  Pastebin your xorg?08:10
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macogwat least i *think* that's what it is. i just skimmed an interview he did with o'reilly08:11
macogwRAOF: sicp?08:11
ugaSuperLag: that's because you have installed linux-restricted-modules-*08:11
frostburnmacogw, i have no idea what i used, it was over6 years ago08:11
ugaSuperLag: which installs drivers different from those that you installed from nvidia08:11
macogwi dont think he did that that long ago08:11
ugaChaosParser: I read this same problem at least 20 times ;)08:11
uganot bizarre :P08:11
RAOFmacogw: Structure & Interpretation of Computer Programs.  There are some video lectures from it on the net.08:11
ChaosParseruga: Meh.  I08:11
RAOFmacogw: It's the reason I wish I'd done my undergrad at MIT :).08:11
ChaosParseri08:11
macogwthe article's from 2001 i think08:12
ChaosParser've never had it.  >.<  Sorry.  Cat on keyboard.08:12
macogwoh08:12
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SuperLaguga: I need linux-restricted-modules-* for ipw3945, unless there's a way to install it separately08:12
ugaChaosParser: lrm modules load before the nvidia installed one. And this prevents xorg from working08:12
RAOFSuperLag: Why have you installed from nvidia.com?08:12
SuperLagRAOF: because the stock ones don't work either08:12
ChaosParseruga: Good to know. :)  I've had Gutsy for a whole two days. :-D08:12
ugaSuperLag: then disable it in /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video08:13
ugaSuperLag: it _may_ be enough, not too sure08:13
ugaChaosParser: heh, same goes for feisty people ;)08:13
ugaSuperLag: anyway, if you install the nvidia-new drivers, it should work I believe08:13
lee__eh question is it me or is windows prone to more disk write failures when it comes to cd roms?08:13
lee__or does that part matter?08:13
ugaSuperLag: since, on gutsy, that includes later nvidia driver08:13
RAOFSuperLag: It'll be easier to fix the Ubuntu drivers than to install nvidia.com drivers & get them to work properly.08:14
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ugaRAOF: nvidia drivers work out of the box...08:14
ugahe had it working actually, since he started up fine ;)08:14
ugaRAOF: but lrm needs to be kept up-to-date on a weekly basis at most. Else it'll always be lagging08:15
ugafeisty is broken right now for new nvidia users08:15
ugaand it's not getting fixes08:15
ugaI consider nvidia releases as bugfixes08:15
RAOFHeh.08:16
lee__eh this is oging to sound dumb but how do I erease arw lol08:16
RAOFuga: Apart from almost every driver release which breaks something else? :P08:16
lee__never mind I found it lol08:16
ugaRAOF: I never had it break my boxes08:16
ugabut at least you know that feisty won't work on new boxes08:16
RAOFYes, that's right.08:17
ugaand that users will always keep complaining about nvidia08:17
ugaand funny, some admins at #kubuntu wonder why people have so much trouble with nvidia ;)08:17
ugait's obvious08:17
lee__eh ok for real how do I eare the disk lol08:17
ugathey need to disable lrm, remove packages, install the nvidia driver in command line...08:17
RAOFuga: Users will *always* be complaining about nvidia.  Users will always be complaining about ATI, and intel, etc.08:18
ugaof course it's troublesome for them08:18
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frostburnrabble rabble ati rabble intel rabble rabble08:18
RAOFuga: Alternatively, add "nv" to /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common :P08:18
ugaRAOF: yeah, but it's even harder than in other distros08:18
ugaat least on other distros when you install nvidia, it just works08:18
RAOFlee__: How hard do you want to erase it?08:18
ugain *buntu, it "fails" after rebooting ;))08:18
lee__eh fast08:18
frostburnlee__, fdisk08:19
RAOFlee__: And why do you want ot erase it?08:19
lee__or..kill every living microbe on it lol08:19
lee__on the cdrom?08:19
ugaok, kdelibs built, now on to kdebase08:19
lee__I have a cdrw that i wnt erased not the HDD lol08:19
frostburnlee__,  put it in the computer08:20
lee__yeah I got that part08:20
macogwRAOF: who complains about intel?08:20
frostburnare you making an iso?08:20
lee__yes but I need to erase a disk first08:21
RAOFmacogw: The drivers suck.  Dual head sucks :P.08:21
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macogwoh i only have one screen on my laptop08:21
RAOFmacogw: Sure, they suck a whole lot less than the ATI and nvidia drivers, but they still suck :)08:21
wastedfluidhi guys.  Just upgraded from 7.04 to 7.10.. and my volume buttons on my laptop no longer works.  It goes from 0%, to 11%.. and it doesn't increase the volme at all.08:21
macogwbut the drivers dont really seem to suck08:21
ugalee__: just open k3b, and go to tools->erase cd-rw08:21
macogwi mean, they always work08:21
macogwno work involved08:21
frostburnlee__, right click the iso and write to disk08:21
RAOFmacogw: In that case, they suck because they don't do Composite+GL well :)08:21
ugapeople gotta learn gui. I know, it's harder than command line, but it's flexible ;P08:21
lee__eh oh Eh I dont have kb3 lol08:21
lee__eh down loading08:21
lee__man all these progrmas are small08:22
macogwhuh? from what i can tell, you um....install your distro.  install compiz.  run compiz. and um...yeah that's it08:23
lee__how can they be so small yet do so much08:23
frostburnlee__, shared libraries08:23
RAOFmacogw: Then try running glxgears and rotating the cube :)08:23
lee__oh I like that idea lol08:23
macogwRAOF: i have the glxgears running inside the cube and it works fine08:23
RAOFmacogw: No, that's different.08:23
macogwof course, only visible when rotating08:23
macogwnext time i'm booted into gnome ill try for ya then08:24
ChaosParseruga: I always just used envy  >.<08:24
RAOFmacogw: Basically, 3D programs don't get handled well when compiz is also messing with the screen :)08:24
macogwim using fluxbox at the moment08:24
lee__so basically waht you saying is instead of softaree having its own settings it sues the same thing just in a differe grapahical nviroment08:24
macogwi know wesnoth and frets on fire can be a bit odd with compiz08:24
SuperLaguga: what can't I install lrm without nvidia-kernel-common as a dependency?08:24
ugaChaosParser: envy?08:24
macogwthere's a setting to make it ignore full screen apps though08:24
macogwthen it's ok08:24
RAOFmacogw: (See the "redirected direct rendering" blog post from one of the X hackers).08:24
ugaSuperLag: you can, but then you have to disable nvidia drivers from loading. Else, the modprobe command will install ubuntu's driver instead08:25
RAOFmacogw: Oh, yeah.  It's usable.  It just still sucks :)08:25
ugaSuperLag: check what /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video says08:25
ChaosParseruga: Python script that does it all for you. :)  http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html08:25
ugaSuperLag: I really find it stupid, but it's the way *buntu works08:25
ugaChaosParser: ah heh08:25
SuperLaguga: I disabled all the nvidia entries there08:25
ugaSuperLag: now you should check if (from terminal mode, after rmmod'ing nvidia), modprobe nvidia works08:26
lee__ok laser firing08:26
ugaSuperLag: if modprobe works fine, then xorg should load on the next reboot08:26
ugaunless I'm missing something08:26
lee__I never used k3b08:26
lee__it sure has a lot of functions to it lol08:26
ugalee__: it's a real nice tool, you'll see08:26
SuperLaguga: it does... however, with lrm removed, I no longer have wireless.08:26
macogwRAOF: maybe after getting used to the way intel's drivers for windows like to just die and leave you with 640x480 4-bit color, just about anything that doesnt die all the time feels awesome08:27
lee__I knoticed allready08:27
SuperLagand if I apt-get install linux-restricted-modules, it will pull in nvidia-kernel-common as a dependency08:27
macogwlee__ i prefer gnomebaker08:27
ugaSuperLag: you didn't understand... you can reinstall lrm, but then you would have to disable it the way I mentioned, in lrm-video08:27
RAOFmacogw: Indeed :)08:27
ugaSuperLag: and then check if modprobe works, as I said08:27
macogwsomeone said k3b cant encode music to cd format (which sounds odd) one time, but i know gnomebaker can08:27
lee__hmm no I more like how Ms freezes up when you hit the close program after it crashes..and the more you click on it the more the windows on the bar build up lol08:28
wastedfluidAnyone have ideas.. I have an Acer,after upgrading to 7.10... my hot keys(volume up, prt screen) aren't working.. looking at khotkeysrc is kind of rough ecause I don't know what to look for08:28
RAOFSuperLag, uga: Either of you seen: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual ?08:29
lee__wow Eh I finally fgured out how to make a new folder lol08:29
ChaosParserSuperLag: , Uga.... just use Envy.  It always works.  I promise.  http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html08:29
ugaRAOF: ah nice, yes. Long ago, I had lost the url though. thanks08:30
ugaChaosParser: my hands are more trustworthy ;))08:30
lee__hers something seriuose and true08:30
ChaosParseruga: Yeah, but SuperLag's aren't,08:30
frostburnRAOF, what would path would you recommend if i wanted to become a dev08:30
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lee__my mother gota letter from ms08:30
lee__cause she never went online08:31
ugalee__: good. LOL. Maybe if you let your mom try it, it should be easier. We all know... guis are too hard for geeks08:31
ugamoms are great at it ;)08:31
ugasure she knows how to create folders in k3b :P08:32
RAOFfrostburn: Depends on what you want to do.  I just wanted to package some programs for amd64, and I helped package up some compiz stuff for Feisty.08:32
frostburnRAOF, where ever the need is, i need something to do to get back into programming08:32
RAOFfrostburn: If that's what you mean by "dev", then #ubuntu-motu is the channel you want to idle/ask questions in :)08:32
RAOFfrostburn: Aaaaah, *hacking* :)08:32
lee__get this the letter said if you don't call or reply were sending an investigative teem over to see that you dont have any unauthorised software..mom alled them and replied. if you send some one over mny husband will ha an 06 ready to greet you as you have invaded our privacey later she got a letter of appology08:33
RAOFfrostburn: In that case I suggest finding something that you would like to make work, and fix it ;)08:33
frostburnlol08:33
RAOFfrostburn: Hacking really requires that you *want* to make something.08:33
lee__my mom asuspect for bot going on line erg08:34
lee__true08:34
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lee__hacking is neither good nor bad its a toll but it is waht you chose to use that tool for tht makes it good or bad08:34
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riotkittiesomehow, i'm not believing that.08:35
RAOFlee__: You've got your terminology mixed.  Hacking == programming.  Cracking == attemping to break into systems unauthorised.08:35
lee__oh thanks for the correction08:35
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RAOF"That cool X hacker" means "That guy who writes code that goes into X" :)08:36
m1keA little off topic, but I figure all the uber nerds would know.  I was looking at the Western Digital Caviar 1TB HDD.  I read a post that I can't respond to claiming "Pros: this drive is actully 6431 rpm's its a misprint. But if you send 18.7 volts to it instead of the recoomended 12v's you can get 13,398 rpms. a 91.7 percent peformance gain."  How is that possible if I might ask?08:36
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AJ--hi guys.. just want to ask is it safe to upgrade to gutsy now?? wat will be the effect on my system??08:37
lee__simple08:37
TheInfinityAJ--: gutsy ist RC. RC does not mean stable.08:37
ChaosParserAJ--: Best to just wait if your system being up is vital.  No one can guarentee that it will work for your system.08:38
lee__you placeced a faster spin on it lol08:38
RAOFm1ke: Yay running harddrives outside of the design specifications!08:38
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macogwRAOF: can we please use either hats or cr/h?08:38
AJ--tnx ChaosParser08:38
ChaosParserm1ke: Sounds like a good way to loose data and void warranties.08:38
m1keI know.  My CPU is overclocked, but I dont know anything about this HDD spinning performance gain.08:38
lee__also by feeding it more vlotage how ever you run the risk of burnning out the read write mechanism08:38
lee__those wires are super thing08:39
RAOFmacogw: EPARSE :)08:39
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ugam1ke: first, the speed control must be seriously broken if that works. Possibly you'll get lots of I/O problems. Also heating. And ... you'll end up buying a new drive =)08:40
ChaosParserm1ke: If your pc is just for personal use, and speed is that vitally important to you for some odd reason, just get a solid state drive or 3008:40
kadmoshi all. just installed RC1 on my new Athlon 64 PC.08:40
lee__waht the heck did it just open the iso for a visual?08:40
lee__befor wiritng it? I never seen a thing do that08:40
kadmoshad two problems: GRUB guessed the drive order wrong, so it wouldn't boot without help (bug 8497)08:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 8497 in grub "grub guessed BIOS disk order incorrectly" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/849708:41
lee__nor have I ever heard of a power calibration08:41
lee__waht the heck is power calibrating?08:41
SuperLaguga: you are the BOMB08:41
kadmosblank screen during boot (usplash broken?) (bug 68647)08:41
macogw RAOF eh?08:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 68647 in initramfs-tools "[maybe initramfs-tools or usplash?]  black screen during usplash. Ubuntu boots fine" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6864708:41
ChaosParserlee__: Calibration of power consumption i would imagine.08:41
RAOFmacogw: I don't understand what you wrote about hats :)08:42
ugaSuperLag: lol, I understand it worked? =) congrats08:42
lee__so that means either it burns or it dont?08:42
lee__or does it mean thatit will brun through no matter waht08:42
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lee__unles the cd totally messed u[08:42
kadmosplus IRC in Pidgin (formerly Gaim) looks really weird. the font jumps up and down as i type.08:43
ugaarghl! guys, how can one do something like "sudo X :2 &"08:43
ugait sends sudo to background08:43
ugahwo to prevent it08:43
ugait drives me nuts each time I try08:43
RAOFuga: "sudo X :2" ctrl-z, bg?08:43
ugaobviously my intention is to send X to background08:43
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ugaRAOF: heh, well, that'd do the trick, but it's a workaround08:44
m1keYou linux guys don't overclock with potential hardware components that have the headroom to do so.08:44
lee__eh waht about over bur protection or is that just a myth?08:44
rocketsIs there any way to make deskbar revert to the old behavior, rather then appearing in a window?08:44
rocketsi like the old way better08:44
ugam1ke: speeding up a harddrive isn't same as overclocking08:44
rocketswhere it was more like a pop-up08:44
m1keChaosParser, for an hard drive I would get this PCIE HDD if you are truly about performance.   http://www.tgdaily.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3406508:44
ugam1ke: it's an easy break08:44
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lee__speeding up a hdd can actaully dammage it your wearing the barings fast08:45
m1kedont be so literal.   replace with performance improvement08:45
ugalee__: honestly, I doubt it'll even work08:45
lee__and by produscing the extra volatage you run the risk of burn out08:45
lee__yeah usually they have voltage regulators in them08:45
ugareading will constantly fail, speed control is out of bounds, stopping and starting the drive will just increase currents and burn the motor...08:45
ugam1ke: that won't even perform08:46
ChaosParserm1ke: When speaking of computers for personal use, there comes a point where the hardware cannot be effectively taken advantage of by the available software, and thus its awesomeness becomes m00t.08:46
lee__I tore into a hdd  I seen how ther ebuilt, I love to play with the titanium  rigns lol08:47
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lucahi everyone08:47
lee__speaking of which, I sish I could send em to a jewler  and make em into rings08:47
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m1keChaosParser, very true08:47
lucadoes someone know please which package installs the /etc/network/interfaces file?08:47
lee__hmm looking at k3b, I really like how it setup08:48
RAOFluca: dpkg -S /etc/network/interfaces :)08:48
RAOF(dpkg is *awesome*)08:48
lucadpkg: /etc/network/interfaces not found08:49
ChaosParserdpkg is... a package of awesome?08:49
m1keuga, "the card has 160 parallel pipelines that can read data at 800 megabytes per second and write at 600 MB/sec.  He even proved it by running a Linux drive I/O benchmark"08:49
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ChaosParserSuperLag: Then you'd have to change your Nick to NoLag08:49
lucaRAOF: I have been trying to find the relevant package with the apt:/ kioslave, apt-file, kpackage...it does not seem to exist :-/08:49
SuperLagChaosParser: :)08:49
lee__OH ME TOO08:50
RAOFluca: Ah, it seems that it's not actually owned by any package, it's auto-generated.  Hm.08:50
lee__The Ones with no moving parts those are so cool08:50
lucamy problem is I have probably misconfigured it08:50
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lucaI can still connect, but tor will not function08:50
lee__erg i wish they werent so expesive08:50
ChaosParserThe only problem with solid state, is that there's no warning when they die.  They just... die.  No warning clicking sounds of death.08:50
lucaat least, I *think* my problem is due there08:50
lee__but in essnence do we not trust our sd cards when we store data, and do they not just..die..with out wanring?08:51
RAOFluca: Worst case - I think you can just move that file away.  I don't think anything *depends* on it now (I could be mistaken).08:52
ChaosParserlee__: We don't use SD cards as hard drives.08:52
lucaRAOF: uhm I could try. They suggest also to reinstall netbase...let me give it a try08:53
lee__chaosparser your true in that but the idea is the same snt it only with more storage abillity?08:53
ChaosParserlee__: And actually, no.  I don't.  But I'm backup paranoid.  All my documents are backed up multiple times online, on DVDs and on two different hard drives, all my music is on dvd twice, and on two different hard drives08:53
lee__lol08:54
lee__that is cool08:54
lee__I actually just recently had a 1 gig sd burn out08:54
ChaosParserYou lol, but I'll never loose data :).  I even backup my Opera mail/chat/feeds settings online regularly.08:54
lee__eh but it got washed lol08:54
ChaosParserlee__: that sucks08:55
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lee__well, at least it didt have anythin gimportnat on it08:55
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lee__this is wierd Iam at 72 percent and no read errors08:55
bill_kanyone installed the RC on a macbook pro?  I'm willing to take a stab at it, (coming from macos) but would like to know if there are any major issues first.08:56
lee__Eh I mean write errors08:56
lee__normaly by now I would recienve in windows a write failure08:56
lee__i'll test to see if the files mach08:57
lee__but isnt writing , just writing though?08:57
lee__the more I use linux, the more I wonder about windows08:58
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savvas..the more I wonder about doors08:58
ChaosParserand drapes08:59
savvasmine's funnier!08:59
lee__and carpet lol08:59
lee__eh08:59
ChaosParsernight folks08:59
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lee__night08:59
lee__eh could have used with out gd though09:00
lucaby the way, does strigi function for you folks?09:00
lee__strigi?09:00
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lee__say how do you ad the endings?09:00
CheeseGardenerCould someone help me get Gutsy to see my Intel 915 chipset?09:01
lucamy question is more fundamental...I cannot even make the daemon start :)09:01
lee__Ima still learinging oh NO ITS A TRUPMET LOL09:01
lee__it sounded vitory lol09:01
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lee__wow I like that it tells you waht failed and where if it fails09:03
lee__ok brb09:04
lee__test running the live cd of 64 bit09:04
CheeseGardenerUm so... does anyone know anything about the Intel 915 chipset?09:04
lee__I bet though that my disks to dammaged09:04
lee__no sorry,09:04
lee__but iam planning t o learn09:05
basotl915 Not really was searching the Ubuntu Forums...09:05
RAOFCheeseGardener: It should just work?09:05
CheeseGardenerOh... cause Gutsy for some reason won't recognize it.  It will only use the i810 driver for it.  And then when I use that, it just tells me "it couldn't find the video card"09:05
basotlYes as far as I can tell.09:06
RAOFCheeseGardener: Hm.  Tried the intel driver?09:06
CheeseGardenerRAOF, where can I find that?09:06
basotlOnly other problems I see so far for 915 is TV support.09:06
CheeseGardenerRAOF, and how do I install such a thing?09:06
RAOFCheeseGardener: As in "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg", and select the intel driver.09:06
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CheeseGardenerok I did that...09:07
CheeseGardenerit's doing things09:07
RAOFNow trying to start X might work :)09:07
CheeseGardenerok how do I do that again?09:07
CheeseGardenershift F9?09:07
RAOFsudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart09:08
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CheeseGardenerRAOF, I'm back.09:13
basotlDid that help?09:13
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CheeseGardenerRAOF, it did help, except for one kinda small problem, which isn't really big09:14
CheeseGardenerROAF, on the ubuntu login screen, when I type my login in, the font is INSANELY huge.09:14
CheeseGardenerRAOF09:14
lucabye09:15
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CheeseGardenerDoes anyone know how I can change the effects on Gutsy?09:18
basotlDesktop effects?09:18
CheeseGardeneryeah09:18
CheeseGardenerI selected the high one09:18
basotlSystem > Preferences > Appearance09:18
CheeseGardenerbut I want to be able to rotate on cube09:18
CheeseGardenerwhy can't I do that?09:18
basotlHave to set effects to custom.09:19
CheeseGardenerhow do I do that?09:19
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basotlSystem > Preferences > Appearance > Visual Effects Tab09:20
CheeseGardenerwhere is the custom area?09:20
CheeseGardenerI don't see it.09:20
basotlHumm...09:20
CheeseGardenerthere is none, normal, and extra.09:20
basotlIs you install of Gutsy up-to-date09:20
basotl?09:20
Jordan_1CheeseGardener: I think you need to install ccsm to do "custom" preferences09:21
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Jordan_1CheeseGardener: There should be an option to set to "custom" though09:21
basotlMine showed up after an update.09:21
CheeseGardenerI think it is.09:21
CheeseGardenerLet me check.09:21
AnRkeythat intel graphics bug of mine is fixed already09:21
AnRkeyman they move quickly09:22
Jordan_1CheeseGardener: I have it and I don't have anything but a default install ( and compiz doesn't even work for my card :)09:22
AnRkeyJordan_1, your card type?09:22
Jordan_1AnRkey: Yea, I saw that update and wondered if it was because of your problem :)09:22
Jordan_1AnRkey: SIS09:22
Jordan_1:(09:22
AnRkeyooohhh09:22
CheeseGardenerI'm up to date.09:23
AnRkeyJordan_1, could not get to reporting the bug in time, they fixed it 2 quickly09:23
CheeseGardenerwhat do I need?09:23
AnRkeyJordan_1, how did you end up with sn SIS graphics chip?09:23
CheeseGardenerccsm?09:23
basotlHumm and still no custom... well ccsm then.09:24
Jordan_1CheeseGardener: ccsm ( Compiz Config Settings Manager )09:24
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CheeseGardenerI didn't have that.09:24
basotlThen set ccsm as a start up program in sessions to have it auto load every boot.09:24
Jordan_1AnRkey: inherited a box that was the cheapest thing my sister could get for a temporary windows computer ( She has a mac and needed IE for a College class, and it is PPC so wine was not an option )09:25
CheeseGardenerhow do I do that?09:25
basotlSynaptic is the easy way Cheeseburger.09:25
CheeseGardenerum... well tell me how to set it up so it auto loads.09:26
CheeseGardenerdo I need to have it auto load?09:26
basotlIt's convenient09:26
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basotlDid you already install CCSM?09:26
CheeseGardeneryes.09:26
basotlAfter you do click Preferences > Sessions09:27
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Jordan_1basotl: I don't think that is neccisary09:27
Jordan_1basotl: At least I don't see why it should be09:27
CheeseGardenerIs it necessary Jordan_1?  or will the custom effects be active?09:27
murlidharok i have mounted the gutsy alternate cd . Now what?????09:27
basotlHumm I had to in herd 3 to get it right before...09:27
AnRkeyJordan_1, i c09:28
Jordan_1CheeseGardener: Try just starting ccsm and changing the settings, I think they will persist09:28
basotlYeah try that I suppose it may have been only an issue I had to do at that time in the release cycle.09:29
CheeseGardenerOk, thanks guys.09:29
CheeseGardenerSome of the things are still laggy.09:29
CheeseGardenerFirepaint still lags a bit.09:29
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trdracerhey guys having trouble watching a movie..needing a xvid codec09:30
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Jordan_1trdracer: It's so much easier just giving in and using totem-gstreamer :)09:30
murlidharok i have mounted the gutsy alternate cd . Now what????? how do i start offline update09:31
trdracerwell ive barely installed this and barely came to ubuntu the other day09:31
savvasmurlidhar: don09:31
trdracerjordan_1 i will check that09:31
savvasmurlidhar: don't mount it, it won't work i think09:31
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murlidharsavvas: do i have to burn a beta cd !!!!!>????09:31
savvasit didn't work for me 2-3 times mounted09:31
Jordan_1trdracer: Just double clicking the file should, with default settings, install the codecs you need09:31
savvasmurlidhar: there's a release candidate out09:32
murlidharwhen????09:32
trdracerjordan_1 doesnt actually.09:32
savvasyesterday? :)09:32
Jordan_1trdracer: Unless they are illegal in the U.S. like DVD decryption09:32
trdracerits done it before.09:32
trdracerillegal..never!09:32
murlidhari downloaded the iso file yesterday http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20071009/09:33
savvasmurlidhar: http://releases.ubuntu.com09:33
savvasmurlidhar: if you use the daily build you might have problems09:34
trdracerVideo codec 'XviD' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies09:34
savvastrdracer: totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?09:34
TheInfinityhello09:35
savvastrdracer: sudo apt-get install lame vorbis-tools flac ffmpeg liblame0 gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-gl gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse09:35
TheInfinityhas andybody the problem that a laptop switches to powersave if power cable is plugged in and dynamic if i'm in battery mode?09:36
savvastrdracer: and for totem-xine: sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg libxine1-plugins09:36
trdracer:) thank you savvas09:36
savvasn/p09:36
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murlidharsavvas: thanks for the link could u explaing the the jigdo extension to me09:36
savvasmurlidhar: it justs downloads the image file by file, then creates it after it gets all the files09:37
Jordan_1murlidhar: It's a debian thing, it means that the cd sort of builds itself by downloading the parts it needs from the normal package repositories09:37
savvasmurlidhar: you have graphical interface, jigdo package, or jigdo-file through console09:38
macogwkinda along hte lines of a torrent, but not quite09:38
murlidharsavvas: just a doubt does the iso file autoupdate from the server instead of downloading the whole iso09:38
macogwer why is there no fsetbg or bsetbg in gutsy?09:39
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macogwlike, including apt-cache search09:39
savvasmurlidhar: you might want to use rsync.. but you have a dvd from cdimage, so I don't think you'll get anything faster09:39
savvasthe official release candidate is a cd09:39
Jordan_1macogw: I have bsetbg, but I also have blackbox installed09:40
macogwi have fluxbox that i got from launchpad09:40
murlidharsavvas:  i have installed jigdo but i can't see it anywhere09:40
Jordan_1macogw: Yea, it's not in the fluxbox package for some reason09:40
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savvasmurlidhar: try applications > internet09:41
savvasmurlidhar: if not, then just type in console: jigdo09:41
murlidharsavvas: nope ok i have used gksu jidgo in the terminal09:42
Jordan_1Anyone know what happened to the common install hook they were talking about early on in Gutsy?09:42
savvask09:42
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Jordan_1murlidhar: No need for the gksudo09:42
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rcrookHi all, Upgraded to gutsy last night and found a problem with the boot and ldap. The boot seems to hang at klogd  (or dbus if klogd disabled) if I have ldap enabled in nsswitch.09:43
rcrookLDAP works once the system is booted and it is re-enabled09:43
rcrookanyone have some sugestions as to why the klogd hangs?09:43
savvasrcrook: bug reporting time :) http://bugs.ubuntu.com09:43
rcrookok thanks.09:44
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CheeseGardenerRAOF, what was that command you gave me to get the intel 915 drivers?09:45
CheeseGardenerRAOF, the terminal command?09:45
murlidharsavvas: do u think jigdo is better since there might be not many seeder for the torrent file?09:45
murlidharmurlidhar: and after downloading one can  always seed in the torrent?09:46
murlidharsavvas: ^09:46
Jordan_1CheeseGardener: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel09:46
savvasmurlidhar:  yeah, definitely09:47
CheeseGardenerJordan_1 that wasn't it.09:47
Jordan_1CheeseGardener: He might have suggested 915resolution instead of xserver-xorg-video-intel but xserver-xorg-video-intel is better09:48
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murlidharsavvas: does this release candidate have gui for xorg cuz i need to manually set the screen resolution to 1440X90009:48
CheeseGardenerJordan_1, I still don't think that was it, somehow.09:48
savvasmurlidhar: you have system > administration > screens & graphics for that09:49
murlidharsavvas: some template file was downloaded in the jigdo and then nothing is downloading now what is the problem?09:49
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rocketsWhat do I need to do to upgrade my ubuntu-server install to gutsy?09:50
savvasmurlidhar: that's why I love the console based one, jigdo-file :)09:50
TheInfinityrockets: i would never install a release candidate on a server :p09:50
hitdoes anybody know why do i have a "black hole" in the top of my screen when i change my resolution and then change it back? screenshot: http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7889/kuvatmmiswb4.jpg09:50
rocketsTheInfinity, the only thing this server does is torrentflux09:51
rocketsTheInfinity, its not life or death09:51
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rocketsTheInfinity, but I agree, I'd never install it on a server that actually mattered.09:51
murlidharsavvas: so how do i use jigdo-file :(  me always a noob09:51
savvasmurlidhar: sudo apt-get install jigdo-file09:52
murlidharsavvas: after that?09:52
savvasmurlidhar: you said you have the daily right?09:52
savvashm..09:52
murlidharsavvas: yes09:52
savvasmurlidhar: mount the iso somewhere09:52
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bintuthello all..09:52
savvasmurlidhar: then tell me the dir you mounted it in09:53
bintutubuntu 7.10 gutsy is about to be released in 6 days from now09:53
rocketsbintut, thanks for letting us know09:53
murlidharsavvas: ok wait a minute09:53
bintutnice to know that gutsy comes with xen-3.1 already09:54
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WaltzingAlonghow to upgrade the preferred way when the update-manager fails to authenticate the packages?09:54
WaltzingAlongmerely replace feisty with gutsy in the sources.list ?09:55
savvasWaltzingAlong: download the release candidate and use the alternate cd09:55
savvasWaltzingAlong: releases.ubuntu.com09:55
WaltzingAlongsavvas: thanks. i just want to upgrade from a current installation.09:56
savvasyou already have gutsy?09:56
savvaswhat do you mean current? :\09:57
avatar_bintut: indeed. good reason to upgrade my feisty xen server :)09:57
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bintutbut, xen-3.1 is buggy as what the ##xen people were talking yesterday and the xensource is about to release the xen-3.1.109:57
WaltzingAlongsavvas: running feisty but wish to get to gutsy. just wanted dist-upgrade with aptitude but was going to use the update-manager instead. however u-m fails to authenticate against the gpg of the package list09:58
murlidharsavvas: here is the directory i have mounted the iso /home/murlidhar/virtual-drives/109:58
savvasWaltzingAlong: do you have third party repos?09:58
WaltzingAlongsavvas: yes though i would disable them all for the upgrade, like the update tool does09:58
savvasWaltzingAlong: you can try "update-manager -d" if you want to09:59
savvasmurlidhar: ok where do you want to download the iso file?09:59
murlidharat /media/sdb110:00
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savvasmurlidhar: ok, do this: cd /media/sdb1/ && jigdo-lite --scan /home/murlidhar/virtual-drives/110:01
savvasmurlidhar: the rest is just answering questions :)10:01
murlidharTo resume a half-finished download, enter name of .jigdo file.10:02
murlidharTo start a new download, enter URL of .jigdo file.10:02
murlidharYou can also enter several URLs/filenames, separated with spaces,10:02
murlidharor enumerate in {}, e.g. `http://server/cd-{1_NONUS,2,3}.jigdo'10:02
murlidharjigdo:10:02
murlidharsavvas: ^10:02
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savvasmurlidhar: well point it to the jigdo file10:03
savvasfrom the releases.ubuntu.com10:03
murlidharsavvas: do i have to download the jigdo file or just enter the url of the jidgo file10:03
savvasmurlidhar: it will download it for you10:04
savvasenter the url10:04
savvas"To start a new download"10:04
savvasyou're doing a new download :p10:04
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murlidharsavvas: then why did i have to mount the iso???10:06
WaltzingAlongsavvas: thanks. i have run update-manager -c -d -p    ; it shows that 7.10 is available. i click upgrade; it shows the release notes;i click upgrade again; two files are downloaded but at this point i always see an error about authentication failing; i started the program through a terminal so i can see "authenticate '/tmp/tmpC8zx4n/gutsy.tar.gz' against '/tmp/tmpC8zx4n/gutsy.tar.gz.gpg'" and "exception from gpg: GnuPG exited10:07
WaltzingAlongnon-zero, with code 131072"10:07
savvasmurlidhar: well it could be faster for you, the iso might have everything what you need10:07
savvasWaltzingAlong: I think it's just update-manager -d10:07
murlidharsavvas: so u mean the existing paackage in the daily build don't have to be download again? :) great10:08
hitdoes anybody know why do i have a "black hole" in the top of my screen when i change my resolution and then change it back? screenshot: http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7889/kuvatmmiswb4.jpg10:08
savvasmurlidhar: correct :)10:08
murlidhar:)10:08
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savvasWaltzingAlong: I've no idea my friend, it could be a lot easier through the alternate cd10:09
Jordan_Uhit, Does it go away if you put something in that pannel area?10:10
WaltzingAlongsavvas: downloading alternate iso (torrent) now10:10
Jordan_UWaltzingAlong, Just run "sudo apt-get update" or click "Check for updates10:10
naught101for some reason, in kubuntu gutsy, I can no longer hibernate. I go to kmenu>logout>hibernate, and it acts exactly like it's shutting down (kwin does wied things, window borders dissapear), then in blacks out, and immediately comes back to the same place (not all the same programs running, though)10:10
hitJordan_U: i can not add anything, panel freezes10:10
naught101anyone noticed that at all, or know where I could find information on why it's happening?10:10
savvasWaltzingAlong: what Jordan_U said, update-manager -d and check for updates, it might fix it10:11
hitJordan_U: ah no, i can, but not all applets10:11
Jordan_UWaltzingAlong, It's a simple problem, and "refreshing" will get the pgp key you need10:11
murlidharsavvas: thnks for telling me fast otherwise my dumb brain would have coaxed me into deleting the daily build10:11
Jordan_Uhit, What happens when you add one there?10:12
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hitJordan_U: depends what i'm tryng to add, some applets just won't load10:12
Jordan_Uhit, Or when you run "killall gnome-panel" ( that might make some applets split off from the panel )10:12
hitsec10:12
Jordan_Uhit, I mean what happens to the "black hole"10:13
savvasmurlidhar: well it just occured to me that you could use it with jigdo, I forgot it did that before.. is it going any faster? it will download the image file by file and skip the parts you already have from the build10:13
WaltzingAlongJordan_U: savvas: i always see this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40339/          i have run sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude -y upgrade10:13
hitJordan_U: gnome panel itself is gone but it remains it that 'black hole'10:13
murlidharThe jigdo file refers to files stored on Debian mirrors. Please10:13
murlidharchoose a Debian mirror as follows: Either enter a complete URL10:13
murlidharpointing to a mirror (in the form10:13
murlidhar`ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/'), or enter any regular expression10:13
murlidharfor searching through the list of mirrors: Try a two-letter10:13
murlidharcountry code such as `de', or a country name like `United10:13
murlidharStates', or a server name like `sunsite'.10:13
murlidharDebian mirror [http://archive.ubuntustudio.org/ubuntustudio] :10:13
murlidharsavvas: ^10:13
murlidharnow what???10:14
savvasmurlidhar: are you using ubuntustudio?10:14
WaltzingAlonghit: so that panel is set to a fixed size that is smaller than the available space once you increased your resolution?10:14
murlidharno only themes10:14
Jordan_UWaltzingAlong, That's a strange error indeed, do you get that when you try to install packages normally *Warning, if it looks like when you try to install a package it installs the Gutsy one instead of the Feisty one, quit immediately**10:14
savvasmurlidhar: paste this: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu10:15
savvasmurlidhar: wait10:15
savvasmurlidhar: where are you from?10:15
murlidharindia10:15
Jordan_Umurlidhar, You obvioulsy want an Ubuntu mirror instead of a debian mirror, use <yourcountrycode>.archive.ubuntu.com10:15
WaltzingAlongJordan_U: no. my repositories all point to feisty now. i know i can replace each with gutsy then dist-upgrade but was hoping to use the update-manager instead to simplify the process10:16
hitWaltzingAlong: i have to panels there and there is always space between them, it appears only when i change resolution and then change it back10:16
Jordan_Umurlidhar, I am not sure if there is an indian mirror but try it10:16
savvasmurlidhar: your country's .in ?10:16
murlidhari dunno10:16
Jordan_UWaltzingAlong, Changing your sources.list and dist-upgrading is not as safe anyway10:16
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savvasmurlidhar: use this then: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu10:16
WaltzingAlongJordan_U: exactly10:16
WaltzingAlongJordan_U: and i am several timezones away from the computer i wish to take from 7.04 to 7.1010:16
murlidharwell the gov sites have aadagigha.in10:16
Jordan_UWaltzingAlong, Sure that is a good idea then ? :)10:17
murlidharalright10:17
WaltzingAlongJordan_U: :D10:17
Jordan_UWaltzingAlong, I assume that you have ssh installed in case something goes wrong10:18
savvas"in case sh**" :p10:18
Jordan_UWaltzingAlong, openssh-server that is10:18
WaltzingAlongJordan_U: yes i am accessing the machine all through ssh10:18
Jordan_UWaltzingAlong, ssh -X?10:19
WaltzingAlongJordan_U: ssh -CXv host, yes10:19
WaltzingAlongJordan_U: and i have also connected through NX but with the same outcome10:20
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Jordan_UWaltzingAlong, That is a little dangerous unless you are sure that your connection isn't going to be interrupted10:20
mlankhorstSigh, this is the second time gutsy does a chown -R mlankhorst:mlankhorst /10:21
WaltzingAlongJordan_U: i can have someone go to the location when needed10:21
Jordan_UWaltzingAlong, I mean that if your connection dies so will update-manager10:22
WaltzingAlongJordan_U: yeah that is true too; is there no way to remotely upgrade it then?10:22
Jordan_Umlankhorst, Really? It just chowned / recursively for no reason?10:23
mlankhorstOh wait, found the cause, my own fault.10:23
Jordan_UWaltzingAlong, You can use screen with the server upgrade tool10:23
mlankhorstMust say it has something cozy to own /10:23
Jordan_Umlankhorst, Except for all of the setuid programs that don't work :)10:24
savvasmurlidhar: did it start downloading files?10:24
mlankhorsthad a git command in cron.daily that does a cd ~mlankhorst/wine.git; git repack; chown -R mlankhorst:mlankhorst10:24
mlankhorstExcept it doesn't exist without external hd, so it does the command on /10:25
mlankhorstJordan_U: fakeroot startkde :D10:25
Jordan_Umlankhorst, That is why you should use && instead of ; :)10:25
murlidharsavvas: yes i forgot tell u that it says Found 1374 of the 1452 files required by the template10:25
murlidhar:)10:25
savvasmurlidhar: long live the build ;)10:25
murlidharyes just 72 files will be download :)10:26
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savvasmurlidhar: if anything goes wrong and you wish to stop downloading, you can do so, and then when it asks for the jigdo file, you simply type the local file name (it's in your directory) and it will do the rest (it will probably ask to cleanup some temp files, you should press enter there)10:27
murlidhark10:27
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Jordan_UWaltzingAlong, "sudo do-release-upgrade" don't know how to tell it to check for developement releases though10:33
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WaltzingAlongJordan_U: -d thanks10:35
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CheeseGardenerDoes anyone know how to make the back of your windows translucent while keeping the text opacity at full?10:35
Jordan_UWaltzingAlong, Stupid consistency :)10:36
Jordan_UWaltzingAlong, Note that the server upgrade tool assumes more that you know what you want so it won't do things like install ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-minimal again, so you should probably install ubuntu-desktop before upgrading10:37
WaltzingAlongJordan_U: or kubuntu-desktop for that matter :D thanks10:37
Jordan_UCheeseGardener, That usually requires support from the application itself10:37
spli1Hey Everyone, I just did an upgrade to gutsy from feisty with update-manager -d and it looks like my kernel is failing on my sata driver so I'm having to use a feisty kernel on this gutsy install currently, is there any doc on what to do to correct this? I've checked the forums but can't find much.10:37
Jordan_UCheeseGardener, Most terminal emulators can do it for example10:38
CheeseGardenerhmm so I can't do it with compiz fusion?10:38
WaltzingAlongJordan_U: thanks. that failed with the same error as i was seeing before. just a sign i should wait ;)10:38
Jordan_U!boot | spli1 This might help some10:38
ubotuspli1 This might help some: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto10:38
Jordan_UWaltzingAlong, You should also file a bug :)10:39
Jordan_UWaltzingAlong, After checking to see that none has been filed on it already of course :)10:39
CheeseGardenerJordan_U, I'm still confused on how I'm supposed to make the background window for Pidgin translucent.10:41
CheeseGardenerbut not the text...10:41
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savvasCheeseGardener: with compiz?10:43
savvasyou hold alt and scroll the mouse wheel10:44
Jordan_UCheeseGardener, Does it have the option to do that ?10:44
jhaigOK, lesson one of the morning - when booting up the new Gutsy CD in the office, plug in headphones.  I forgot about the start up sound.  :-)10:44
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CheeseGardenerWith Gutsy's compiz-fusion.10:45
Jordan_UCheeseGardener, Compiz fusion can't do it, Pidgin can use compiz to make itself transparent but not its text, Compiz Fusion can't make it do that though AFIK10:46
CheeseGardenerHow can pigdgin use compiz?10:47
CheeseGardenerpidgin*10:47
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CheeseGardener?10:51
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hsystem-xhi there, anybody?10:52
TheInfinityno10:52
TheInfinity<-- just a ghost.10:52
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hsystem-xreally :?10:52
hsystem-x... >.>10:52
spli1did anyone else do a feisty to gutsy upgrade?10:53
savvasCheeseGardener: already told you10:53
savvasCheeseGardener: 10:44:00 < savvas> you hold alt and scroll the mouse wheel10:53
basculespli1: everyone in this channel10:54
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murlidharsavvas: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40342/ this is the error10:54
CheeseGardenerthat's not what i meant.10:55
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(gnomefreak/#ubuntu+1) oh thats bad11:57
(gnomefreak/#ubuntu+1) savvas: file a bug report and if you do it in next couple of minutes give me number, if not it will be atleast 3 days before i can look11:58
(savvas/#ubuntu+1) going11:58
(murlidhar/#ubuntu+1) gnomefreak: shall i give http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/ in jigdo-lite11:58
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forgottentruthanyone use blackbox or know of any new window managers that aren't that mainstream to check out?11:59
forgottentruth:] 11:59
archdroneAmaranth: yep, why not11:59
gnomefreakmurlidhar: no give me afew minutes11:59
forgottentruthin gutsy12:00
forgottentruth:] 12:00
Amarantharchdrone: I just told you12:00
murlidhargnomefreak: as u say12:00
gnomefreakmurlidhar: might be as simple as a release file update12:00
forgottentruther, that won't give me too much shit as in googling kde4 repositories for the the svn build12:00
archdroneAmaranth: why can't kde do shutdown itself?12:00
forgottentruth>.<12:00
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jmgweeee gore won the peace prize12:00
Amarantharchdrone: Why should it bother if it's login manager will do the work for it?12:00
savvasgnomefreak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/15190512:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151905 in ubuntu "jigdo - archive mirror error - missing 37 files" [Undecided,New] 12:01
gnomefreaksavvas: ty :)12:01
archdroneAmaranth: i thought calling /sbin/halt was easy ,)12:01
void^the display manager runs as root12:02
savvasn/p :)12:02
savvasgnomefreak: I might change the description a bit, add the mirrors we tried :P12:02
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Amarantharchdrone: And that's not all you have to do12:02
forgottentruthbrb all12:02
gnomefreaksavvas: no need12:03
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dgso I've just rebooted into it, X didn't start and login on the console gives me "-bash: /dev/null: Permission denied"12:03
Amarantharchdrone: Have to logout the user first (and let apps block the logout to pop up a save dialog or something) then as void^ mentioned you also need to be running as root to do a shutdown and kdm is already running as root12:03
archdroneAmaranth: so this is not a bug, only my wish i guess12:03
Amarantharchdrone: Not a bug, by design12:04
Amarantharchdrone: If anything it's a bug in xdm12:04
forgottentruthbrb12:04
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murlidharso savvas we wait for the bug to be solved?12:04
murlidhar:)12:04
savvasmurlidhar: well.. yes, you can subscribe to the bug to be informed when and it will be fixed12:05
savvas-and12:06
archdroneAmaranth: ok, but i still think this can be done in a way to satisfy everyone12:06
gnomefreakok i have to get moving later.12:06
savvasgnomefreak: have a nice trip, wherever you're going :)12:07
gnomefreakhospital12:07
savvasouch12:07
savvassorry12:07
savvasif you need any help, I'm a medical student :)12:07
gnomefreakeh its just a follow up endoscopy12:08
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jmgyour face is just a follow up endoscopy12:08
jmgi mean12:08
jmgoh hai12:08
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dgis /dev/null created via udev?12:09
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forgottentruthjoin /#kubuntu12:09
forgottentruth>.< sorryyyy12:10
Stevethepiratejmg: your mother is so fat i had to intergrate her by parts :P12:10
Stevethepirateoops, also haaai12:10
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LynoureStevethepirate: hmph.12:11
jmgheh12:11
dgso I have a /dev/null which has 600 permissions, /dev/.static/dev/null has 666 as i'd expect though12:11
StevethepirateLynoure: :P12:11
dgis anything like this known?12:11
savvasdg: $ dir -l /dev/null12:12
savvascrw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2007-10-05 22:42 /dev/null12:12
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savvasdg: did you upgrade from feisty?12:12
dgno, this is a clean install of xubuntu inside vmware12:13
savvasah xubuntu.. no idea :\12:13
dgcrw------ 1 root 1,3 2007-10-11 00:50 null12:13
savvasit is weird though12:13
savvasdg: find or file a bug about it: http://bugs.ubuntu.com12:13
forgottentruthmaybe its the devil12:13
Eq|workthat's.. broken.12:13
forgottentruth:P12:13
savvasor xubuntu, don't know12:13
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dgsavvas: ok12:13
savvasdg: name it something like: xubuntu /dev/null has wrong file permissions 60012:15
dglaunchpad is timing out :(12:16
jmg:(12:17
jmgit may be on maintenance dg12:17
savvasdg: it works here12:17
dgno, it's a timout from the app itself12:17
Eq|workthat could be due to maintenance12:17
Eq|workprobably unplanned12:17
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Ghismog'day12:19
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Ghismoguys can i insatll ubuntu 7.10 candidate release without installing the iso?12:19
jmgGhismo: update-manager -d12:21
Ghismois that safe?12:21
jmgyes12:21
Ghismoi don't want to loose my data12:22
jmgbut it will be a fast moving target between here and final12:22
savvasthen backup :)12:22
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jmgdid you use automatix?12:22
Ghismono12:22
jmggood12:22
jmgbackup to be safe12:22
savvasGhismo: graphics card?12:22
Ghismoati radeon x60012:22
dgsavvas: ok, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/15190912:22
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 151909 in ubuntu "Xubuntu install creates /dev/null with permissions 600" [Undecided,New] 12:22
savvasyou didn't install anything from their site?12:22
Ghismono i didn't12:23
savvasdg: so now we have to figure out which package packs the /dev/null :P12:23
dgheh12:23
savvasGhismo: then you should be good to go12:23
Ghismohey just a question12:23
jmgubotu: is that not devfs?12:24
jmgoh12:24
Ghismowhat is the difference between candidate release and the official release12:24
jmghaha12:24
murlidhar:)12:24
jmgGhismo: bug fixes12:24
dgjmg: devfs doesn't exist anymore..12:24
jmgand final tweaks12:24
jmgdg: ok whatever replaced it. udev12:24
dgit might be udev, but I don't understand that well enough12:24
Ghismook12:24
dgyou'd expect the timestamp to be boot time if it was created by udev though12:25
dgand it's not12:25
Ghismothink i'd better to wait even 5 days for the officila release12:25
savvasdg: it's not, i checked: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=udev&version=gutsy&arch=i38612:25
Ghismook guys thanks for your patience ;-)....just go on12:25
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dgsavvas: yes, although it's possible a script creates it..12:26
savvashm..12:27
savvasdg: mknod12:27
savvascoreutils12:28
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murlidharsavvas: any idea when our bug is gonna be solved?12:28
savvasmurlidhar: no clue, that's why I told you it might be better to try the downloading the actual iso :)12:29
forgottentruthi guess no one realizes that there is public wireless <312:29
forgottentruth:] 12:30
murlidharsavvas: by the time i download the iso another release candidate would be released and then again i have to download the whole iso12:30
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savvasmurlidhar: why?12:31
dggrr, i wish launchpad would link to code12:31
savvasmurlidhar: you can just update to the next release candidate12:32
dgas it is I can find a package but not the source12:32
dg(I was wondering if base-installer creates it)12:32
murlidharso can't i update to the daily build that i am having right now12:32
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savvasmurlidhar: I'm not familiar with daily builds, and several people came here complaining having problems installing ubuntu from it. if you want to try the daily build, I'd suggest you do a clean format to your / partition, and keep /home untouched if you have a separate /home partition12:33
murlidharsavvas: phew then the release candidate is a bet for me12:34
murlidharsavvas: safe bet for me12:34
murlidharsavvas: can i update using my aptoncd after fresh installing?12:35
savvasmurlidhar: it's a lot more safer than a daily build12:35
savvasmurlidhar: you could use update-manager -d if you want12:36
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savvasyou then check for updates12:36
savvasand it'll do the rest12:36
savvasjust do a backup12:36
murlidharsavvas: no my internet connection is not that stable12:36
savvaswell ok then, want to use rsync?12:36
murlidharsavvas: would love to but don't know how to use it12:37
savvascd to the folder you want to download it12:37
savvasmurlidhar: then type this: rsync in.releases.ubuntu.com::12:37
murlidharsavvas: please start a wiki for me ...  thnks:)12:38
savvasmurlidhar: see the last line there? "releases        Ubuntu Release CD Images"12:38
murlidharwait12:38
savvasreleases is the next step12:38
savvasok12:38
murlidharwhere do i type in the /media/sdb1 folder12:38
savvasin gnome terminal12:39
savvascd /media/sdb112:39
murlidharsays no such file or directory12:40
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murlidharit is perhaps in.archives.ubuntu.com12:40
dystopianrayis kopete still broken in gutsy?12:41
savvasmurlidhar: rsync in.releases.ubuntu.com::12:41
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savvasI just tried it12:41
murlidharis still says no such file or directory12:42
savvasmurlidhar: the jigdo files have moved on, they won't do anything about it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/15190512:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151905 in ubuntu "jigdo - archive mirror error - missing 37 files (dup-of: 83172)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 12:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 83172 in ubuntu-cdimage "Jigdo for feisty herd-3 is broken" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 12:42
savvasthat's common they say12:43
murlidharmeans?12:43
savvasmeans that the jigdo is broken until the final release comes out :)12:43
murlidhar:(12:43
murlidharso rsync won't work too?12:43
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savvasno rsync is different12:44
LuCypherhi I'm having some issues with apache2...12:44
savvasmurlidhar: did you do the command?12:44
savvasmurlidhar: don't forget the two :: at the end12:44
murlidharyes it says no such file or directory12:44
LuCypherOn feisty mod_php was enabled by default...how can I enable it on gutsy?12:44
murlidhark12:44
savvasmurlidhar: again error?12:45
murlidharrsync: getaddrinfo: in.archives.ubuntu.com 873: Name or service not known12:45
murlidharrsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(104) [receiver=2.6.9] 12:45
savvaswth12:45
dystopianrayLuCypher: sudo a2enmod php512:45
savvasmurlidhar: sudo apt-get install --reinstall rsync12:46
savvasmurlidhar: why are you using archives?12:46
murlidhari didn't12:46
savvas12:45:46 < murlidhar> rsync: getaddrinfo: in.archives.ubuntu.com 873: Name or service not known12:47
LuCypherdystopianray : It isn't in /etc/apache2/mods-available12:47
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savvasmurlidhar: ok anyway, tell me when it's reinstalled12:47
dystopianrayLuCypher: you need to install php12:47
jhaigI'm trying the Gutsy RC to see how it affects the power usage on my laptop.  Should running it from the CD have a detrimental effect?  I ask because I seem to be getting a full battery life of 1 1/2 hours, and I normally get about 2 hours with Edgy.  I'm playing around with powertop, and have followed all the suggestions.12:48
LuCypheralready done...12:48
Seeker`does anyone have any idea why I am logged out when i resume from suspend12:48
LuCypherI've installed libapache2-mod-php5 and php512:48
LuCypherTrying to re-install all now....12:48
dystopianrayah well in that case I have no idea12:48
LuCypherthanks anyway12:49
murlidhari know just check it http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40357/12:49
murlidharsavvas: ^12:49
SilentDishello :)  decided to take the plunge and upgrade to Gutsy.  Kubuntu 7.04 user, i'm going through the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades.  Question i have is this:  does glx stuff work ok?  Can't live without my WoW *giggle*12:49
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savvasmurlidhar: paste this and ONLY THIS ===========> rsync in.releases.ubuntu.com:: <================12:50
savvasmurlidhar: not release, but releases, and don't forget the :: at the end12:50
murlidharok srrry now it is doing something12:51
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murlidharsavvas: it stopped and says This server has limited resources.  A list of Ubuntu archive mirrors12:52
murlidharwhich support rsync can be found here:12:52
Moduliz0r:'( Wine still hangs at the "Wine Gecko Installer" question12:53
savvasmurlidhar: ok wait a sec12:53
savvas!mirrors12:54
ubotuUbuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive12:54
murlidharhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors savvas12:54
Moduliz0r6 days :D12:54
murlidharyuppie12:54
Moduliz0ryay steam is running and working12:55
murlidhar:D12:57
savvasmurlidhar: ok try this: rsync ftp.iitm.ac.in::12:57
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Moduliz0rwhat's ubuntu like with IEEE1394 (firewire) cameras?12:58
murlidharsavvas: it doesn't help- http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40361/12:58
savvasmurlidhar: that means it worked12:59
savvasmurlidhar: notice the "ubuntu"12:59
savvasmurlidhar: now try this: rsync ftp.iitm.ac.in::ubuntu/12:59
savvasmurlidhar: don't forget the / at the end12:59
murlidharok12:59
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murlidharsavvas: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40363/01:00
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savvasmurlidhar: my bad, this one is just an archive mirror :P01:00
savvasmurlidhar: try this: rsync releases.ubuntu.com::ubuntu/01:01
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savvasmurlidhar: sorry, this: rsync releases.ubuntu.com::releases/01:02
h4k4cekhi01:02
savvasmurlidhar: no need to paste me anything01:02
murlidhark01:02
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savvasmurlidhar: did you see the 7.10 there?01:02
savvasmurlidhar: now you do: rsync releases.ubuntu.com::releases/7.10/01:03
murlidharno it has come out and i copy pasted01:03
savvasmurlidhar: lrwxrwxrwx           5 2007/09/27 13:37:09 7.1001:03
murlidharit doesn't go up there01:04
savvashm.. lol01:04
savvasam I the only one whose rsync works?01:04
murlidhar:P ok now it is working01:04
savvasmurlidhar: what file you want to download?01:05
savvasubuntu-7.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso ?01:05
murlidharyes01:05
murlidharno alternate01:05
savvasmurlidhar: you use this: rsync -L -P -z --stats releases.ubuntu.com::releases/7.10/ubuntu-7.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso ./01:05
murlidhark done by changing the desktop to alternate01:06
murlidharand it is downloading the whole iso!!!!!!!01:07
murlidharsavvas: 601:07
savvasyep01:07
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savvasmurlidhar: save that command somewhere in a file01:07
savvasmurlidhar: you can resume your download where you left it with that command01:08
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murlidharsavvas: can't i use the daily build to complete this?01:08
savvasmurlidhar: well.. try copy it as ubuntu-7.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso01:09
savvasand point the rsync there01:09
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savvassomething like this: rsync -L -P -z --stats releases.ubuntu.com::releases/7.10/ubuntu-7.10-rc-alternate-i386.iso ./ubuntu-7.10-rc-alternate-i386.iso01:09
murlidhari didn't get u .  My dumb brain01:10
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stefgIs it a known issue that gnome-settings-daemon has a tendency to not start on Gutsy RC? Saw some bug reports, but situation remains unclear? Anyone else experiencing that? Bug reporting tme ?01:12
murlidharsavvas: u mean shall i rename the daily build to this existing name since both are in the same foolder01:12
savvasmurlidhar: press ctrl-c to the rsync01:13
savvasmurlidhar: then remove the existing ubuntu-7.10-... image01:13
murlidharsavvas: the rc image?01:14
savvasmurlidhar: then rename or copy the daily build to use name of the ubuntu-... image, but be aware if you rename it, I don't know if you'll still have it, that's why I told you to copy it01:14
savvasyes01:14
savvasI mean I don't know if it'll get overwritten or not01:15
murlidharsavvas: i am making a backup file of the daily build and renaming the dailybuild to the existing RC image name ok?01:17
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rico_hey guys. when I log into my gutsy system, the gnoem splash screen is stuck at "gnome-volume-manager" and the gnome desktop doesn't continue to show. how can I debug what's causing this?01:18
rico_sometimse it moves forward from there, but very slowly01:19
rico_like minutes before getting into a usable state01:20
jmgoh no01:20
rico_oh no?01:20
jmgwhats the key to increase opacity on a window? i just made something transparent by mistake01:21
rico_are you on compiz? it's probably alt + mousewheel01:21
jmgno mouse wheel01:21
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murlidharsavvas: it doesn't help prbly i have to download all01:22
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savvasmurlidhar: yeah, well at least you won't have a corrupted iso when you download it :)01:23
jmgcompiz settings says alt burron4 and button501:24
jmgbut i dont have those buttons01:24
Paddy_EIREwhy would gutsy fail to boot on my laptop when all other versions of linux has done so far01:24
Paddy_EIREafter the boot splash it just hangs01:24
murlidharsavvas: how different is wget to this rsync01:25
Eq|workjmg : that's up and down on the mousewheel01:25
savvasmurlidhar: how about A LOT? :)01:25
Eq|workif you don't have a wheel, you'll have to reconfigure it01:25
jmgEq|work: i dont have a mouse wheel, so howd it get triggered?01:25
Eq|workno idea01:26
savvasmurlidhar: as I said, you won't get a corrupted download01:26
Eq|workyou on a laptop?01:26
jmgyeah01:26
Eq|workscroll-function on the touchpad01:26
Eq|workyou know when you tap and hold at the edge, then drag..01:26
jmgno scroll function01:26
Eq|workif you did that while holding alt, that'd probably read as the mouse wheel01:26
savvasmurlidhar: I'll have to go, take care01:26
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murlidhark thnks for helping me out learnt so much today01:27
bela hi, I just tryed to install the last ubuntu alterante rc7.10, errors occur in bootstrap and other01:27
brandon_is there anybody who can get to the gnome or kde desktop after logging in in less than 40 seconds?01:27
jmgBBBBBBdont understand the gesture sorry01:27
jmgill just close the terminal01:27
jmgnight all01:27
murlidharsavvas: thanks for helping me out learnt so much today01:28
murlidharsavvas: wait i have good news for u:))))))01:29
murlidharwell i remember jigdo created a iso.temp file i renamed it to iso and it works01:30
murlidharsavvas: u there?01:30
murlidharsavvas: already to 49%01:31
rico_where can I d/l the new ubuntu rc?01:33
murlidharrico_: releases.ubuntu.com01:33
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LuCypherHi if I enable mod_rewrite by a2enmod rewrite... Does it should appear in apache2ctl -l ???01:39
murlidharthe release candidate was released on 9th oct and the dailybuild is on 10th oct. Which is more stable01:39
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murlidharerr both were released on the same day so which is more stable ?/01:41
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Picimurlidhar: I'd use the RC if I were you01:43
Picimurlidhar: The daily isos don't undergo as much testing01:43
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murlidhark i have mounted the alternate cd now how do i upgrade to gutsy????01:51
Moduliz0rmy resolution didnt change back after i ran my game :@01:52
Moduliz0rand its not displaying the right screen modes01:52
Moduliz0rits telling me its 1280x1024 at 50Hz01:52
Moduliz0rit needs to be 6001:52
murlidhark i have mounted the alternate cd now how do i upgrade to gutsy????01:53
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IdleOnemurlidhar: mounted? you know to put the cd in the drive and run it and then choose upgrade01:55
IdleOnei dont know about mounting it to upgrade01:55
IdleOnemurlidhar: you need to put the cd in the drive and run it and then choose upgrade01:55
murlidharIdleOne: do i have to burn the cd than to iso mount it??01:56
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Jeeves_Ola!01:56
Moduliz0rargh01:56
Moduliz0rit never puts my resolution back01:56
rico_hey I boot into my system and my sound just stopped working. it used to work. I didn't update the kernel or anything. any clue?01:56
Jeeves_Anyone up for trying to reproduce a bug for me ?01:56
Jeeves_(About Visual Effects)01:56
IdleOnemurlidhar: I am not sure what you mean by mounting. but yeah you need to burn the cd and insert it into to drive and boot to the cd01:57
Jeeves_If you are, just type 'Jeeves_' and I'll see. :)01:57
IdleOneJeeves_: why notdescribe the bug and see if anybody can help you. you can also report it to launchpad01:58
Jeeves_IdleOne: I am familiar with launchpad. Just wanted to know if someone else has the same issue, to give it more 'weight' in the bugreport01:59
murlidharIdleOne: iso mounting means creating a virtual cd drive and telling the operating system that u have inserted a physical cd in the cd tray01:59
Jeeves_IdleOne: And, appearantly... You're not up to it. Perhaps someone else is!02:00
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IdleOneJeeves_: I see your point but people tend to volunteer when they know what they are getting into.02:00
scizzo-Jeeves_: maybe tell the problem instead of asking for someone to do it... :P02:00
IdleOnedescribe the issue and maybe I will try to help02:00
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IdleOneand also stop being sucha ...02:01
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garuhi everyone02:01
penguincentralhi garu02:01
Jeeves_So, I guess you ARE up to it. Don't want to type the whole story ten times.02:01
IdleOneheh02:02
scizzo-Jeeves_: dont tell a story...say what the problem is02:02
Jeeves_Anyways, can anyone try opening more than 3 working gnome-terminals when running Gutsy with Visual effects on normal02:02
IdleOnemust be a full moon02:02
Jeeves_I get three perfectly normal terminals at most02:02
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garupenguincentral hey there...is everything alright here?02:03
Jeeves_The fourth, or higher, misses content, or window decoration02:03
Moduliz0ri've got 4 normals02:03
scizzo-Jeeves_: all mine is working02:03
IdleOneI got 5 right now02:03
penguincentralgaru: yeah, it's all good02:03
Jeeves_If I close a normal terminal, I get a new working on02:03
Jeeves_Hmm02:03
Jeeves_Strange02:03
scizzo-now I have 7+ terminals02:03
scizzo-so it all seems to work here02:03
Jeeves_With visual effects enabled right?02:04
Moduliz0ryeah02:04
scizzo-yes02:04
Moduliz0rfull vis effects02:04
garuwhen is the 7.10 coming out officially?is it next week?02:04
scizzo-normal effects here02:04
Jeeves_Can you set it to normal?02:04
Jeeves_Ok02:04
Jeeves_Hmm02:04
Moduliz0rgaru: 6 more days02:04
Jeeves_Any of you using nvidia?02:04
Moduliz0ri'm nVidia02:04
scizzo-Jeeves_: yes02:04
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Jeeves_grmbl02:05
Jeeves_I'll go and file a bug for my own special case than :)02:05
Moduliz0r:P02:05
Jeeves_Thanks02:05
IdleOnesee you describe the issue and 3 ppl helped. before that all you had was me telling you to stop being such a ....02:05
scizzo-Jeeves_: maybe you should test if it happens on a new account?02:06
IdleOne:)02:06
scizzo-Jeeves_: and also check the xorg.conf file if there is something missing02:06
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Jeeves_IdleOne: You could have said 'yes, i'm up to it'02:06
Jeeves_That would have been easy too.02:06
scizzo-Jeeves_: you can also enable compiz from a terminal and see if there is something there that might give you answers02:06
IdleOneJeeves_: like I said I dont volunteer if I dont know what Im getting into02:06
brandon_is there anybody who can get to the gnome or kde desktop after logging in in less than 40 seconds?02:06
scizzo-Jeeves_: another thing you can look for is if this happens on Eterm or something simular02:06
Jeeves_scizzo-: How do I start it from console ?02:06
scizzo-Jeeves_: so if it is just gnome-terminal or not02:06
scizzo-Jeeves_: compiz --replace02:07
garuModuliz0r 6 more days?oh my god...that's long!lol02:07
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scizzo-Jeeves_: you need to disable it first and then do those things02:07
Jeeves_scizzo-: Let me see02:07
Moduliz0rgaru: I know! I want it now :'(02:07
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Moduliz0rOne is filled with excitement02:07
garuModuliz0r I'v downloaded the Beta, but, it just wouldnt start normally, only in safe graphics mode, and...it wouldnt install!02:08
Moduliz0rowned02:08
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garuI just hope the final version works fine02:08
Moduliz0rIt ran for me first time02:08
Jeeves_scizzo-: Doesn't give any output02:09
garuModuliz0r in my other laptop, the live dvd worked perfectly fine, but also...it wouldnt install!02:09
Moduliz0rhaha02:09
Jeeves_(Any relevant output, that is)02:09
garuModuliz0r I'm just wondering what's the big difference between the beta and the final version...I mean, if it gave me that much trouble with the beta version, will the final one actually change all that! :o02:10
garulol02:10
Moduliz0ri have no idea02:11
scizzo-Jeeves_: right do the other things I said02:11
hetauma__did any updates come out since rc ?02:13
belaI got te 7.10 alternative, tried to install, pb at tzdata and maybe in other package after it. nevertheless the md5sum of the package and all CD is correct I checked them myself02:13
IdleOnehetauma__: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will tell you if there are any updates02:13
Jeeves_scizzo-: It works with xterm02:13
Jeeves_'s02:13
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scizzo-Jeeves_: have you done a compiz update and not restarted x recently?02:14
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hetauma__btw why do I need to have installed xserver-xorg-viedo-intel while having an nvidia card? is it part of ubuntu-desktop ?02:15
Jeeves_scizzo-: I have upgraded this box to Gutsy this morning02:15
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Jeeves_And restarted afterwards02:15
Jeeves_grmbl02:16
Jeeves_Restarted X again02:16
Jeeves_And now it works02:16
Jeeves_It's too dodgy, the Visual Effects stuff02:16
scizzo-Jeeves_: well honestly....have you used the effects in feisty?02:16
scizzo-Jeeves_: cause sometimes you might need to do a new user home dir and then restart X so you start from scratch to get it all working...02:17
sanwhen I started ubuntu 7.10 compiz worked out of the box on my ati card...02:17
Jeeves_scizzo-: Nope. I don't like the visual effects. They take too much time and to much CPU. Therefor they do not give a better workspace, as they claim.02:17
sanbut when I want more options what should I do?02:18
Jeeves_scizzo-: That's ugly.02:18
hitsan: which card?02:18
scizzo-Jeeves_: ugly?02:18
sanhit: ati mobility radeon 90002:18
Jeeves_Having to clean your homedir and stuff02:18
san9000 even02:18
scizzo-san: compizconfig-settings-manager02:18
hitradeon 9550 here and worked02:18
scizzo-Jeeves_: its good that all are different in that matter...02:19
hitexcept when i tryed to install ati official drivers, which fu*ked up ubuntu02:19
sanand how does it go with games / 3d apps?02:19
hitwell02:20
Jeeves_scizzo-: How do you mean?02:20
hitsan: using cube?02:20
IdleOnehit please watch your language. I knwo you tried to cover it up but I think your encryption algorythm needs to be updates :)02:21
IdleOneupdated02:21
sannot yet (fresh install)02:21
scizzo-Jeeves_: the visual effects02:21
sanhit: but I work on a 3d application for the university02:21
sanand I need that to run proper02:21
Jeeves_scizzo-: Anyway, thanks.02:22
scizzo-Jeeves_: np02:22
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Jeeves_See ya IdleOne. And thanks a lot for your great help!02:22
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IdleOnelol was that meant to be sarcastic?02:22
sanhit: not the intention to use the cube btw.. but I want scale, expo and some other stuff..02:23
Moduliz0ri love Introversion Software02:23
Moduliz0rthey've released native Linux versions of their games02:24
KenSentMeModuliz0r, they make some nice games02:24
hitsan: enable custom effects?02:24
Moduliz0rDefcon is cool :D02:24
KenSentMeModuliz0r, i bought all of them, although i havent played Defcon yet02:24
Moduliz0rDefcon is quite hard sometime02:25
Moduliz0rs02:25
Moduliz0rits the only one I have though :P02:25
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sbucatinosomeone knows how to configure wacom graphire 4 i have searched in the forum but still not luck =(02:25
Moduliz0ri got it on steam, but i'm downloading the linux one now02:25
sanhit: I know how to configure compiz.. but I was just wondering how 3d apps work with the non-official driver02:27
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sanah terrible :) 54 fps in glxgears02:28
hitsan: open source is fine, official ones did a large mess02:28
Moduliz0ri only seem to top 70fps in Garry's Mod :( but i can't complain, it's actually running02:28
sanhit: but the official ones at least offer 3d supoprt02:28
sansupport02:28
hit500-600 fps here02:29
Moduliz0r:O02:29
bibehi all. I am trying to set up evolution in Gutsy as I had it configured in Feisty. My "main" account was a "Local delivery" pointing to /var/mail/bibe. If I try to use "Local delivery" in Evolution 2.20 from Gutsy, I can only select directories instead of files. Why did this change?02:29
Moduliz0rcan I host a "virtual phone line" with ubuntu?02:30
hitsan: how much gfx ram?02:31
saneuh.. lemme check (somewhere)02:31
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hit2500-2600 fps with glxgears minimized02:32
sanhow do I check the ram on my gfx card?02:33
san(remember this is a mobility version)02:33
hithmm, good question02:34
hiti know i have 128 mb at least02:34
ugahit: errrm... when it's minimised it does nothing, basically02:34
hitwhich means...?02:35
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ugahit: it means 2600fps when minimised means nothing02:36
ugabtw, I'm running two desktops kde3 and kde4 right now, and ... 28395 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5678.832 FPS02:37
ugaGF8500 GT02:37
ugaaround 3000+ when building kde at the same time02:37
garuwhat's the equivalent to "ipconfig" in linux?02:38
hitwell, 9550SE isn't much a gfx card either02:38
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jusama14do you guys have the unichrome drivers for via chipsets?02:38
jusama14I'm running ubuntu 7.1002:39
ugahit: heh, you should get those numbers when NOT minimised ;)02:39
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hitthen it's around 500-60002:39
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hit628 atm02:39
penguincentral6 days to go :)02:40
MrSteinDid anyone else noticed a beep while booting the LiveCD ?02:40
ugahit: you should install the nvidia binaries...02:40
hitnvidia?02:40
hiti have ati02:40
ugaoh sorry, I forgot =)02:40
ugayou should buy an nvidia card...02:40
uga:P02:40
hitwow, got 1000 fps now02:40
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jusama14I'm trying to get the unichrome/openchrome drivers for via chipsets but when I try to install it from synaptic it has an error02:40
jusama14I tried running glxinfo and my computer just jammed02:41
sanhit: I guess just 32 Mb02:41
hitok02:42
hithmm, glxinfo gave me "direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set)"02:42
hitbut it surely was Yes before02:42
san1000 fps02:43
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bwayneso how heavy are the daily updates?  lots everyday, or slowly waning ?02:43
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sandoes someone recommend a good gui svn client?02:44
ebichuWhere can i view gutsys bugs?02:44
MrSteinon launchpad.net02:44
avatar_san: rapidsvn02:44
hitargh, xorg.conf messed up again02:45
hitdid dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg yesterday and everything was nice and clear, now its kind of messy again02:46
avatar_bwayne: last few days just a handfull. Last weeks 80 a day02:46
bwayneavatar_: nice.  which flavor you use?02:47
avatar_bwayne: gutsy02:48
rico_is there a dpkg-reconfigure i can do to reconfigure sound?02:48
rico_:b02:48
rico_my sound stopped working02:48
Moduliz0rhow can I sort of, serve a dial-up networking point with Ubuntu?02:48
bwayneavatar_: i mean, 64-bit Kubuntu, 32-bit Xubuntu .... ?02:49
ebichuWhere should i submit this: when opening media format (music or video) in firefox, whole x crashes?02:49
ebichuOn launchpad.02:49
ebichuUnder Mozilla Firefox or X11 ?02:49
Moduliz0rmaybe both?02:49
Moduliz0ris that possible02:49
avatar_bwayne: 32bits ubuntu02:49
bwayneavatar_: ah.  gnome 2.20, hype?02:50
avatar_for me not large improvements02:51
avatar_i'm just using firefox + a handfull gnome-terminals02:51
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ZambeziWhich kernel is it in Gutsy?02:52
sanavatar_: tnx02:52
avatar_Zambezi: 2.6.22-1402:52
jhaigZambezi: 2.6.2202:52
sanZambezi: 2.6.22-1402:52
san:)02:52
bazhangmay reach .1502:52
ZambeziThanks, thanks and thanks! :-P02:52
bwayneaw c'mon.  doesn't ubuntu know that .23 was just released.  :)02:53
bazhang:] 02:53
sanalways talking about cutting edge.. ;)02:53
Zambezibwayne, I heard there's major changes in it.02:53
bazhangwho'll still be here after 10/18 for Hardy?02:53
bwayneZambezi: ya.  looking forward to it.02:53
avatar_bazhang: short after gutsy release i'll update my workstation to hardy02:54
ebichuHow do i submit bugs on launchpad?02:54
ebichuI registered myself.02:55
Zambezibwayne, I don't know which changes there is, but I heard there might be problems with VMWare.02:55
stefg!bug | ebichu02:55
ubotuebichu: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots02:55
bazhangavatar_: I'll be here too--rumoured to reach tribe 1 11.29 or thereabouts..02:55
ebichuThanks.02:56
bwayneZambezi: yeah?  that'd be bad.  I was reading about the changes on /.  I think the virtualization I use (virtualbox) is based on VMware.  Can't remember.02:56
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Zambezibwayne, Not that good then. Let's see what happens next. There will be people trying. Do you know what new in the kernel? If there's some major changes?02:57
bwayneZambezi: from what I understand, a completely new scheduler for one.02:57
Zambezibwayne, It's going to be interesting. Lets see how things are going. I'm not sure I'll upgrade to Gutsy.02:58
AngryElfsilly dhclient doesn't work automatically, should I stick it in a startup script, say /etc/rc2.d/S99getip ??02:59
bwayneZambezi: meh.  just test it on a separate partition.  :)02:59
AngryElfand what's the compiz effects manager package that I need to get more effects enabled?03:00
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Zambezibwayne, The problem spells Compiz. I don't like it. I want it plain and simple.03:00
bazhangAngryElf: it is called compizconfig-settings-manager.03:01
AngryElfty03:01
bazhangnp03:01
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AngryElfonce it's installed is it this "Advanced DEsktop Effects Settings" on my prefs menu?03:02
bazhangyes03:02
bazhangyou should also probably install compiz-fusion-plugins-main and extra, emerald03:03
AngryElfwerd, it seems to be broken right now, but i haven't done an update in 1-2 weeks so....20 minutes later we'll see what happend03:03
AngryElfhappens03:03
AngryElfthanx for the help03:04
bazhangsure03:04
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AngryElfoh, what's the status of compiz + 2 monitors?03:04
bwayneZambezi: yeah.  i don't find the cube very useful.  desktop wall, however, I can't live without.03:04
rico_hasn't compiz supported dual monitors for a while now?03:05
bazhangyes03:05
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matte_hi there03:12
WorkingOnWisehi room03:12
WorkingOnWisewhat do I need to do to be sure Ubuntu boots properly after I put a partition inbetween 2 existing partitions?03:12
LiMaOWorkingOnWise: you need to boot03:14
LiMaO=)03:14
WorkingOnWiseLiMaO: ?03:14
LiMaOwell, if it finishes booting properly, then it's all good, if it doesn't, then you can start tracking the problem03:15
LiMaOif i did understand you problem correctly03:15
sanI enabled the widgets plugin for compiz but there are no widgets installed by default?03:16
sanwhere can I get them?03:17
Zambezibwayne, I might give Gutsy a chance, but I hope I can disable the cube. I never tried it, but I don't see any point with it.03:17
WorkingOnWiseah...this a preparitory question. I have sda1 which is windows, and sda2 which is where Ubuntu is. I gave all but 1.5GB to Ubuntu when I installed it. Rightnow Ubuntu has about 25GB free space. I want to move files from Win to Ubuntu, then make a new partition of the newly freed windows space. This will put Ubuntu on the 3rd partition, and it's swap on the 4th. What do I do be fiv the errors due to the partitions being ch03:18
bwayneZambezi: the cube is for dazzling newbs and to attract them to use linux, in my opinion.  A 2x2 desktop wall where you can zoom out and rearrange windows, along with a desktop pager, comes in handy though03:18
LiMaOWorkingOnWise: oh, now i got the point03:19
LiMaOWorkingOnWise: i think that by changing /etc/fstab to correctly point to those partitions everything will be gine03:20
LiMaOfine*03:20
Zambezibwayne, That's a feature I haven't tried. But a feature I like in Feisty is multiple desktops. I have six.03:20
TrewasZambezi: cube is not enabled by default, and overall the plugins used in compiz by default are quite sensible now and there is not too much bling03:21
bwayneZambezi: six!  I barely use four.03:21
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Zambezibwayne, I use one now only, but it's good to hide applications when friends here.03:22
bwaynegrouping and tabbing windows comes in handy as well, especially terminals.03:22
bwayneack!  i'm burning this ISO at 32x!! hope it works.03:22
bazhangscale is a must have here.03:23
WorkingOnWisefiv/fix03:23
bwaynescale is good as long as it's a button+corner and not just corner initiation.03:23
bazhangtrue03:23
bwayneat one point I had all four corners hot.  my wife was never more confused.03:24
bazhang:}03:24
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bwaynefusion's button+corner saved the day.03:24
WorkingOnWiseLiMaO: thanks Thats what I couldn't remember! I gotta get my "My Documents" folder to a partition Win and Ubuntu can share...03:25
bazhang:}03:25
LiMaOWorkingOnWise: you're welcome =)03:25
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bwaynei guess I'll just have to do a disk check before I install.03:26
WorkingOnWisebwayne: my wife hates the cube, and the springgy when it rolls to the next viewport. I keep it on just to keep he off my latop. She likes to steal it to watch DVD's03:27
WorkingOnWisehe/steal03:27
penguincentralWorkingOnWise: in your opinion, do you think that the desktop cube is useful, or just bling?03:28
bwayneWorkingOnWise: just set it to flip on pointer-edge.  that'll stop all the confusion.  :)03:28
MTecknologybling03:28
MTecknologybut i've seen ppl's jaws literally drop seeing it03:29
WorkingOnWisepenguincentral: to be brutally honest, it is just bling that I have worked very hard to justivy as producive because it as Just Sooo Freakin KEWL!!!03:29
bazhang:}03:29
penguincentralWorkingOnWise: agreed03:29
MTecknologyexpo is useful03:29
MTecknologyand a few other ones03:29
WorkingOnWiseMTecknology: yes03:29
MrSteinDid anyone else noticed a beep while booting the LiveCD ? Noone ?03:30
penguincentralMrStein: what version?03:31
WorkingOnWiseDid you guys use beryl and the cube?03:31
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MrSteinpenguincentral:  gutsy , some daily from october03:31
WorkingOnWisewhere'd the setting go in cf to give the windows thickness and space between each one when you rotated the cube?03:31
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penguincentralMrStein: I don't use the daily build03:31
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MrSteinpenguincentral: I'm sure it does not happen just on a specific daily. Did you try any version ?03:32
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MrSteinpenguincentral: but I guess it does not beep for you, because you would tell ..03:32
WorkingOnWiseMrStein: mine beeped on my laptop03:33
penguincentralactually, I previously heard a beep when the login screen came (after installation of alpha5)03:33
WorkingOnWiseonly once.03:33
penguincentralbut not in live03:33
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MrSteinit happened before X started. I think I experienced this a few months ago. And years ago with redhat.03:34
MrSteincorreection: it happened yesterday AND a few months ago.03:34
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penguincentralok03:34
penguincentralwell MrStein: i plead ignorence on this one.  soryr03:34
penguincentralsorry03:34
MrSteinwell, there are hundreds of more important bugs ...03:35
penguincentralyeah03:35
penguincentraltrue03:35
penguincentralactually, I have a bug that is more important03:35
penguincentrallet me find it03:35
MrSteinspeaking of ... is gutsy still sheduled to release next wekk (or what was the exact date...) ?03:35
penguincentralOct 18 MrStein03:35
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stefgi hope it gets revised again.... gutsy is far from release ready03:36
murlidharerr how to enable smooth font ????03:36
penguincentral!bug 150938 | MrStein03:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 150938 in ubuntu "Screen resolution problems at login screen" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15093803:36
MrSteinpenguincentral: yep, next week03:36
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penguincentralMrStein: check that bug out.  now that's really annoying03:36
MrSteinaaaaaargh, nvidia binary !03:37
penguincentralyep03:37
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penguincentrali run a 7600 GS03:37
MrStein;-)03:37
penguincentralyeah03:37
penguincentralit's somewhat purdy03:37
murlidharme having a 19inch lcd and how to enable smooth fonts i don't remember how i did it in feisty03:38
MrSteinis gutsy DVD only, no CD ?03:38
WorkingOnWiseI never ceases to amaze me. I used Fiesty in Alpha and Beta, and now am using Gutsy. You all tlke about how "not ready" they are, and all I can think is "Jeeze, it's more stable that WinXP that has got 8 years of development on it!"03:38
penguincentralMrStein: CD03:39
penguincentralMrStein: where did you get _that_ idea?03:39
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bwayneWorkingOnWise: that's true.  i have to log on to windows from time to time.  recently i purchased a new printer, which sent XP into the stratosphere.  I had to hard reboot at least once before things went well.03:40
penguincentralbwayne: sometimes for programs to work in wine you need to install it into windows first :(03:40
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bwaynepenguincentral: wha?? that's just _weird_.03:41
MrSteinpenguincentral: well, there is no CD beta download, neither a rc03:41
penguincentralMrStein: wha???03:41
AngryElfso, I went to change background -> Visual Effects, checked Custom and went to Preferences -> Effects/Animations Minimize Action where I wanted to set it to "Burn" but it isn't burning...03:42
MrSteinWorkingOnWise: for some people a Yugo is "ready" and "stable", for others, it isn't.03:42
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WorkingOnWisebwayne: yeah, I am no developer, but If this is the linux community's idea of "unstable", I'll take 2!03:42
AngryElfDid I miss something?03:42
AngryElfI got the little "Enable Animations" checkbox too03:42
penguincentralMrStein: http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/ubuntu-7.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso is the link for the RC03:42
penguincentralit's cd03:42
Pici!rc | MrStein03:42
ubotuMrStein: Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) Release Candidate information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - The RC is development software and as such unstable, support *ONLY* in #ubuntu+103:42
MrSteinhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/rc/ has only DVD images03:42
PiciMrStein: please read the link above.03:43
bwayneWorkingOnWise: in my experience, "unstable" is merely a disclaimer which means "don't blame us when it all hits the fan".03:43
HobbseePici: you expect people to actually *read*?03:43
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WorkingOnWisejust finished an update. Gotta reboot the oozing pile of instability ;-)03:43
PiciHobbsee: My faith in humanity is often misplaced.03:43
Hobbseegoodness me.  crazy person.03:43
HobbseePici: yeah, well.  mine too.03:44
penguincentralHobbsee: it's like skipping the EULA in proprietary software... or the GPL in open source software03:44
MrSteinaaargh, wh< are there 2 (or more) download sites, each different ????03:44
MrStein<=y03:44
bwaynewell, i'm off to install 64-bit Kubuntu RC1.  wish me luck!03:44
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Hobbseepenguincentral: that's significantly longer03:44
penguincentralHobbsee: thanks for pointing out the obvious03:44
MrSteinis also funny to put the RC version into the "release" directory ;-)03:44
penguincentralyeah03:45
sleepynateheh03:45
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Hobbseepenguincentral: as in, the chance people will read something is inversely proportional to it's lenght03:45
HobbseeMrStein: compared to the daily builds?  makes sense to me03:45
penguincentralHobbsee: yeah03:46
penguincentralwe get it03:46
AngryElfdoes compiz have an OSX function (F10,F11) that show all your open windows and lets yhou select?03:46
penguincentralone line is significantly shorter than 10 pages (or is the GPL less?)03:46
Hobbseei've only ever read the abbreviated version of the GPL.03:47
penguincentralon03:47
penguincentraloh*03:48
MrStein"Its free. Freeee!" There is no need for a longer version :-)03:48
penguincentralMrStein: well, you're wrong03:48
penguincentralMrStein: the GPL is there to protect FOSS technology from being stolen and made proprietary by other companies03:49
rico_AngryElf, yes. It's called 'scale'03:49
penguincentralso distribute it all you want, but if you want to adopt the techonlogy in your software, you need to provide access to the source code03:49
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penguincentralMrStein: does that make sense?03:50
AngryElfrico_: ty03:50
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BlueAidan_workhmm.... was using the beta dvd and had a problem with ubuntu recognizing the 2nd scsi hard disk in a vmware image03:51
BlueAidan_workI'll try the rc03:51
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MrSteinpenguincentral: no, GPL means free , free and free, even if you turn over and die, it is free. Forever. Free. Get it ?03:52
penguincentralMrStein: let's argue it in offtopic03:53
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penguincentralMrStein: go to #ubuntu-offtopic03:53
penguincentralwe can discuss it there03:53
MrSteinbye03:54
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BlueAidan_workwow, torrent speeds are rocking03:57
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AlexC_Hey there,03:59
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redheathi everyone04:00
AlexC_I've got an issue with Gutsy - the sound is crackling like mad! I'm using a SoundBlaster Live 5.104:00
pkernWho's in charge of the release notes?04:00
redheatfolks, I have a question, today I saw a message on Ubuntu's website saying coming soon, has the previous date been changed?04:01
redheatI mean it's still coming after 3 or 4 days right?04:01
Piciredheat: Still coming on the 18th afaik.04:01
Seeker`AlexC_: what audio player are you using?04:01
redheatthank you so much, I got the heebie geebies..lol when I saw the words coming soon04:02
redheatcause i was used to that counter..04:02
redheatthank you so much..take care folks..and have a nice day to all of you..04:02
redheatbye04:02
AlexC_Seeker`: that would be Rhythmbox, I shall try in another player now to see04:02
AlexC_Seeker`: oh, I just paused my music and now I'm getting a hissing sound out of my speakers =\04:03
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Seeker`:S04:04
AlexC_Seeker`: doesn't appear to be any crackling in Totem,04:04
Ben_Cshello. if i have kubuntu gutsy and i get the updates. so when the official release will be out, will my kubuntu update to it?04:04
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AlexC_sure, Ben_Cs04:04
Seeker`AlexC_: "Edit->Preferences->Use crossfading backend"04:05
Ben_Csthanks04:05
Seeker`AlexC_: then restart rhythmbox, see if that fixes it04:05
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AlexC_Seeker`: great, that seems to have done the trick! Any idea about the hissing sound?04:06
Seeker`no, sorry04:06
Seeker`AlexC_: check your connections?04:06
AlexC_Seeker`: I'll double check,04:06
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AlexC_Seeker`: unplugged them all and re-plugged them, no difference, hum04:07
Seeker`AlexC_: dont know then, sorry04:07
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AlexC_Seeker`: ok, thanks for the help anyway - at least the crackling has gone04:08
shriphaniwhen will gutsy be released ?04:08
Seeker`AlexC_: you could try turning down the master volume a little to see if it makes a difference04:08
Seeker`shriphani: 18th04:08
AlexC_oh oh, hold on :P I just went into Switches and disabled SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack04:08
AlexC_yum!04:08
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AlexC_thanks, bye all!04:10
penguincentraler, i mean apt!04:10
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FishyDo I have to do anything in order to upgrade from Kubuntu gutsy 7.10 beta2 to kubuntu gutsy 7.10 RC?04:16
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Pici!final | Fishy04:17
ubotuFishy: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.04:17
Fishypici: Thanks a lot :)'04:18
PiciFishy: no problem04:18
bintutwhat's the contents of the /etc/rc.local file?04:18
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Picibintut: exit 004:19
bintutPici: only "exit 0"?04:19
llutzanyone using intel 915gm graphics with xserver-xorg-video-intel  and also  has freezes when shutting down X?04:19
Picibintut: let me paste it04:19
bintutPici: i accidentally overwrite the /etc/rc.local and i don't know the contents of that file04:20
bintutPici: yes please?04:20
Picibintut: http://pastebin.com/f40416b6904:20
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dholbachMOTU Q&A session in #ubuntu-classroom in 7 minutes04:21
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bintutPici: thanks.. :)04:25
rico_fellas, what's MOTU?04:25
Seeker`Masters of the universe04:26
Seeker`they manage the universe packages04:26
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rico_oh.04:26
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Seeker`Ximal: lo, how is irssi going?04:27
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rocketsEvery single time I boot gutsy (the RC), when I log in to gnome I get the message "failed to initialize hal", and due to that automount and a bunch of stuff doesnt work. then once I do /etc/init.d/hal stop and then start it works fine. but I ALWAYS have to do it. any ideas?04:29
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Ximalhi guys04:31
Ximalfinally made it back04:32
LiMaOhey everyone, how is it going with that RC version? are things better now?04:33
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bintutis the xen package in gutsy updated already? i've heard that the xen-3.1.0 has so many bugs and security holes and xen-3.1.1 fixes them04:36
Picibintut: Someone (may have been you) asked me the other day and we concluded that it hasnt.04:37
pvandewyngaerde_how do i install drupal ?04:37
bintutPici: it was the discussion lately in ##xen04:38
Hobbseebintut: it will be tomorrow04:38
bintutHobbsee: you mean, the release of xen-3.1.1?04:39
AnRkeywhat is the current status of gutsy, RC1?04:39
Hobbseebintut: at least a new upload of it to ubuntu, yes.04:39
Hobbseeit's probably the latest04:39
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annemarieanyone knows where to find w32codecs.tar.gz?04:40
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Seeker`annemarie: you can get the w32codecs package from the medibuntu repository04:40
annemarieSeeker`: also for gutsy?04:40
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Seeker`annemarie: yup04:41
annemarieSeeker`: i do not see them04:41
AnRkeypvandewyngaerde_, sudo apt-get install drupal504:41
Seeker`annemarie: you are running 32bit?04:41
Seeker`deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-free04:41
Seeker`add that line to the bottom of /etc/apt/sources.list and then run sudo apt-get upgrade04:42
Seeker`then you will be able to install w32codecs04:42
bintutHobbsee: i hope it's the xen-3.1.1 already.. i'll wait for it..04:42
annemariethanks See\04:43
annemarie*thanks Seeker` :)04:43
murlidharsavvas: are u there?04:44
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pvandewyngaerde_AnRkey:  yes that is installed, but i cant find how to make it work ,    /drupal5  gives me a file to download04:46
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jaspnhey04:54
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jaspnare there any known issues about movie playback where the picture is foobar and the only way to play a movie is to restart X04:55
jaspnit affects all movie players04:55
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hjmillsis firefox broken?04:55
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jaspnfirefox works04:56
nanonymehey, which version of compiz will gutsy have?04:57
jaspnnanonyme, it has 0.6 atm04:57
pvandewyngaerde_do i need an extra php module for drupal ?04:57
jaspnnanonyme, but 6.1 will probably also be included04:57
nanonymehmm04:57
pwuertzdoes anyone with compiz+nvidia experience a major slowdown with the rubberband tool when selecting files across the desktop?04:58
hjmillsmy firefox has crashed about 8 times today and has been almost perfect up till now - I thnk it is the flash player. Is anybody else having problems?04:58
nanonymejaspn, eh, compiz site lists 0.5.2 as the newest development version04:58
nanonyme0.4 should be stable compiz04:58
pwuertzhjmills: firefox is crashing often with nvidia-drivers + flash plugin... dont know why04:59
jaspnnanonyme, gutsy uses compiz fusion04:59
jaspnpwuertz, flash is a ff killer04:59
nanonymejaspn, http://compiz.org/ tell me where you can see compiz 0.6 there04:59
hjmillsjaspn, with flash so common on the web ff needs to work with it05:00
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pwuertzjaspn: well... ff is not crashing when using the "nv" driver or on my intel systems...05:00
jaspnhjmills, tell that to adobe05:00
nanonymenow that we're sure compiz 0.6 doesn't exist, what is going on?05:00
pwuertzjaspn: but It crashes often on nvidia+flash systems05:00
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jaspnnanonyme, hehe05:00
jaspnnanonyme, it does exits05:01
hjmillsjaspn, or the firefox devs who are more likely to do something about it05:01
nanonymejaspn, why isn't it listed on project web page then?05:01
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jaspnnanonyme, because its compiz fusion not compiz05:01
nanonymeerm, did you get 0.6 from git?05:01
nanonymethat is, an experimental version05:02
pwuertzso about that rubberband thing... anyone experienced a sluggish behavior when selecting files across the desktop?05:02
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zengenI'm using the alternate install of the release candidate for i386 and it's hanging on 'Installed Tomboy' at 85%.  I've used this cd on 2 other computers today with no problems.  Any ideas?05:02
nanonymebetter have that Bulletproof X working pretty well then ;)05:02
jaspnnanonyme, no git05:02
jaspnnanonyme, gutsy has compiz 0.6.105:02
Ximalwhat's going on now ?05:03
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nanonymehttp://www.compiz-fusion.org/ no >0.5.2 announced there either that i can see05:04
jaspnnanonyme, check the mailinglists05:04
Picinanonyme: these are the versions compiled from the git sources05:04
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AlexC_hey,05:04
murlidharsavvas: are u there?05:05
nanonymePici, but git sources before releases are supposed to be experimental :/05:05
AlexC_I've backed up my Thunderbird data from my Feisty install (just by copying the contents of my profile folder) however Gutsy has Thunderbird 2 and simply copying the contents back into the new profile does not seem to work. Is there anyway I can import my 1.5 thunderbird details into Thunderbird 2?05:05
Picinanonyme: such is life05:05
pvandewyngaerde_how do i open a phtml file  ??   it wants to download it05:05
nanonymePici, yeah, but they don't belong to soon-to-be-stable distro, do they?05:06
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nanonymedistro version, that is05:06
jaspnPici, isnt 0.6.1 released ?05:06
jaspnPici, any idea whats wrong here http://bayimg.com/LAHpPAabi05:07
jaspnPici, this happens in all movie players05:07
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Picinanonyme: The devs must have deemed them stable enough05:07
nanonymeshocking05:07
nanonymePici, compiz-fusion devs obviously didn't since they didn't release05:07
jaspncompiz fusion 0.6 is released05:08
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Picinanonyme: we have c-f devs working with the ubuntu devs.  Some of them are even the same person.05:08
jaspn0.6.1 is a bugfix branch05:08
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nanonymeah05:08
nanonymePici, well, that's different then05:09
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nanonymePici, quite nice since that way you can play faster than the official compiz-fusion announcement05:12
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pvandewyngaerde_i am havind a problem with apache2 and php505:15
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maffupon logging in via gdm the screen goes the nice orange color for about 30-45 seconds then kicks back out to the gdm login.05:16
maffanyone else have this gnome issue?05:16
hetauma__any ideas if it's possible to have 3d support to windows under vmware?05:17
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MattyMHi folks, having trouble installing Ubuntu Gutsy.  After selecting to start install, it flashes video mode not supported on my monitor05:18
MattyMtried safe graphic mode and same issue.05:18
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MattyMAbit il-90mv with a Intel GMA 95005:18
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mmkassemhetauma__ : AFAIK vmware does not support 3D on guest OS yet05:19
jaspnhetauma__, you cant05:20
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tenfjHi all, sorry if this question has been asked alot. What is the cleanest and "best" way to aquire a 3d desktop on gutsy? beryl, compiz, compiz-fusion? aquamarine (which I can't find in apt) or emereld? Hope that someone can point me in the right direction :-) Thanks in advance05:24
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lee__hi ya05:24
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lee__how does one take an iso and make a bootable hdd?05:25
lee__i am out of disks ll05:25
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tenfjon KDE that is (thought this was kubuntu )05:27
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aTypicalMorning, all.  I'm trying to install 7.10 on my laptop.  All appears to go well until it gets to 90% complete.  At that point the install seems to hang.  Is there a way I can find out if the install is in fact still going?05:27
pwuertzlisten to your hard drive?05:28
bqmasseyin 7.10 RC.. where can I can i customize which windows effects are applied?05:28
aTypicalAs an additional piece of info, I'm installing off the alternate cd.05:28
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aaroncampbellWhat do I need to do to tell KDE that my monitor is 1680x1050?05:28
pwuertzmaybe the installer is trying to contact some update-servers at this point...05:28
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Seeker`bqmassey: Right click on the desktop, change background, then look at the visual effects tab05:29
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pvandewyngaerde_how do i make apache2 interprete  php files  ?05:30
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aTypicalpwuertz, is that a normal thing for it to do?05:30
aTypicalThe last thing I see is it installs Tomboy.05:30
pwuertzaTypical: I think I just read something about that bug05:31
bqmasseySeeker:  that only gives me three options.. i'm looking for a way to enable/disable each effect individually05:31
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aTypicalpwuertz, any chance you have a link?05:32
pwuertzzengen: I'm using the alternate install of the release candidate for i386 and it's hanging on 'Installed Tomboy' at 85%.  I've used this cd on 2 other computers today with no problems.  Any ideas?05:32
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Seeker`bqmassey: install compizconfig-settings-manager , then look again - there will be a customize option05:33
pwuertzI dont know if this is still true.. but I once installed ubuntu from the alternate cd.. and the installer tried to wget something... since this system was configured to use a gateway blocking any traffic at this moment, the wget process did not return and the installer was stuck05:34
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|neon|ne1 te new "beta" IBM Symphony it says to rival office 2007 and it has a linux version05:34
bqmasseySeeker:  ok.. i'll have to try that later.. running Live CD right now...05:34
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Seeker`you can still install stuff I think05:34
dereinehas someone here hamachi on gutsy?05:35
bqmasseyneon: the linux version wouldn't happen to be free would it?05:35
|neon|it is05:35
|neon|it is still beta  i am downloading right now 600meg05:36
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bqmasseyok.. new quesion. (im trying to get prepared for all of the things im going to install when 7.10 is released)....    what should I look into to get a mac-style tray05:37
bqmasseythats clear, and auto-hides, and has bouncy little buttons05:37
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AngryElfso how do I add widgets to the widget layer?05:39
nemikAngryElf: look up screenlets, add the repository for those, then click them from the 'Other' menu05:40
|neon|how do i install the screenlet program itself or is it part of compiz?05:44
aaroncampbellwhenever I try to apt-get update, I get a whole bunch of errors that say "Err http://XX.ubuntu.com gutsyYY/main ... Could not connect to XX.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out"05:45
aaroncampbellWhere XX is usually "security" or "us.archive"05:46
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aaroncampbelland YY is sometimes nothing, and sometimes "-security" etc05:47
xet7When I change from DHCP to static IP, I can't get to internet. How can I fix that?05:49
pwuertzxet7: when you manually set your ip, you have to enter your gateway and nameserver also.. these are settings provided by dhcp05:50
pwuertzxet7: why would you want to change that?05:50
xet7I have some ports open on fixed ip address on my firewall05:51
aaroncampbellpwuertz: most commonly so that you can forward ports from a router to your system05:51
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pwuertzxet7: configure your dhcp to assign this specific ip to your host by identifying you by MAC adress05:52
aaroncampbellIt's weird, I can access all the addresses that apt-get says it can't just through konqueror... any idea why?05:52
xet7pwuerz: sure, I'll try that :)05:52
aaroncampbellpwuertz: you can do that, but it generally easier to set a static IP...I know I usually do05:53
pwuertzxet7: you can lookup your MAC by using "ifconfig"05:53
pwuertzaaroncampbell: well.. I prefer the dynamic way.... thats what dhcp is for05:53
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aaroncampbelltrue, but you're using something "dynamic" to assign something static... so, not REALLY what it's for05:54
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pwuertzaaroncampbell: sure it is... lets say you are using a laptop....05:54
pwuertzaaroncampbell: and you are using it at HOME1 and HOME2... with properly configured dhcp servers... your laptop doesnt need any manual configuration05:55
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pwuertzyou just plug-in the cable... and your system is configured05:55
glenneranyone else having performance problems in gutsy RC with ATI X1400 and fglrx driver?05:56
glenneri have lot more flickering compared to feisty..05:56
aaroncampbellpwuertz: I have my laptop set up with my static, and a fall back to DHCP.05:57
xet7Ok I got static changed from Ubuntu network config, had to add nameserver to DNS tab lower listwindow. Thanks :)05:57
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pwuertzaaroncampbell: whats a "fallback" in case of a static ip ;) ?05:57
pwuertzaaroncampbell: you expect a static ip configuration to fail?05:58
aaroncampbellpwuertz: Also, I think that a lot of lower end routers (linksys etc) don't allow you to assign a DCHP address by linking to a MAC address...not sure on that though05:58
pwuertzaaroncampbell, xet7: besides.. now you have to manually exclude the ip you just statically configured from your dhcp address range...05:59
aaroncampbellpwuertz: actually, XP will let you set a second configuration, and if it can't connect to a network when it tries, it will try the other configuration...My laptop is XP05:59
aaroncampbellpwuertz: I manually assign addresses that are outside the DHCP range05:59
pwuertzdon't know... just saw a few hardware routers having very comfortable web-interfaces06:00
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aaroncampbellI just pulled up one of my linksys routers...it doesn't give you any options like that...06:00
xet7yeah I have static IP 192.168.0.1 , and if other PC has DHCP it starts from 191.168.0.100, I didn't have to change hardware firewall settings.06:01
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pwuertzmaybe its because they also included WLAN... this things normally include more sophisticated options...06:01
pwuertzthese06:01
=== remarK- wonders the same as jhaig
aaroncampbellThe DHCP section consists of a starting IP, the number of IPs, and the ability to set DNS or WINS servers06:01
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aaroncampbellAnyway, back to my original problem...with a system that is USING DHCP...06:02
aaroncampbellwhenever I try to apt-get update, I get a whole bunch of errors that say "Err http://XX.ubuntu.com gutsyYY/main ... Could not connect to XX.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out"06:02
pwuertzis 1.0.0.0 an ip address or did you just obscure it?06:03
aaroncampbellWhere XX is usually "security" or "us.archive", and YY is sometimes nothing, and sometimes "-security" etc ...   It's weird, I can access all the addresses that apt-get says it can't just through konqueror... any idea why?06:03
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aaroncampbellpwuertz: that's what it really says06:03
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aaroncampbell1.0.0.006:03
pwuertzok.. thats definately no valid ip address ;)06:03
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pwuertzsomething must be wrong with name resolution06:03
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aaroncampbellBut I can't figure out why, because I can ping the web address, and I can browse it with kinq06:03
aaroncampbellkonq*06:03
murlidharanyone good at compiling applications??????????????/06:03
Picimurlidhar: somewhat. whats up?06:04
remarK-if i were to install gutsy right now, what kind of bugs/trouble would i be looking at? (<< not quite a developer)06:04
MasterShrektrying to install kde4, but i dont have a /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde  anyone use kde4 beta yet?06:04
AngryElfcan I make my panel icons grow like they do in OSX?06:05
pwuertzaaroncampbell: security.ubuntu.com is one of the sources failing?06:05
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PiciremarK-: read the release notes on the ubuntu.com RC page.06:05
aaroncampbellyeah06:05
pwuertzaaroncampbell: lets do a lookup.... "host security.ubuntu.com"06:05
murlidharPici: i have compiled an application based on gtkmm called linkage and when i open the application i can nothing in it except the window border06:05
pwuertzaaroncampbell: does this resolve to a reasonable ip?06:05
aaroncampbellit says 91.189.88.3706:06
pwuertzok06:06
glennerremark-: i had problems with X not coming up after upgrade, had to rerun x config (with ATI X1400)06:06
Picimurlidhar: If it compiled sucessfully, then it sounds like a problem with the source.  If it was missing something it should have failed.06:06
pwuertzbut in apt you see "security.ubuntu.com (1.0.0.0)" ?06:06
aaroncampbellpwuertz: after the host command, I tried apt-get update again, and I'm not getting that...I've been getting it for hours06:06
murlidharPici: it did give some warning during make install06:06
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remarK-so, in theory, nothing life altering, eh?06:07
pwuertzaaroncampbell: sounds like a dns caching problem... for some reason your system looked up a wrong ip06:07
glennerno, the rest was smooth, no problem06:07
remarK-good. cause i can't wait anymore. i want gutsy now. :P06:08
glenneri only hope those x problems will be fixed in the final release06:08
pwuertzaaroncampbell: and "host" caused a refresh of that name06:08
glennerwhat i did notice is that the performance in X is not as good as it was in feisty. i see a lot of flickering06:08
AngryElfwhatever happened to the SNOW in compiz?06:09
glennerno idea if this is caused by the flgrx drivers, the nex XOrg or the new kernel..06:09
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remarK-i'm sorry, but by "X" you mean what exactly? (sorry for being obnoxiously ignorant.)06:09
Picimurlidhar: Warnings during make install are usually not an issue.  Errors are bad.06:10
glennerjust about anything in the GUI, for example switching windows between takes a long time to redraw the new window06:10
PiciremarK-: X = Xwindows06:10
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remarK-thank you.06:10
remarK-hmmm. and that's with ATI?06:11
glenneri dont know if others have this feeling as wel?06:11
glenneryup06:11
murlidharPici: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40406/06:11
remarK-i have nvidia. hopefully it'll be a little smoother?06:11
murlidharPici: i guess if it gives errors then it should not get installed06:11
Picimurlidhar: hrm.  I'm not sure, sorry.06:12
Picimurlidhar: right.06:12
AishikoremarK-: we were are all new at some point the only truely stupid question is the one you don't ask so you can understand what is going on.06:12
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MattyManyone know how to fix a blank screen after selecting start install?06:12
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=== remarK- hugs Aishiko
glennercould be that nvidia is beter, im not really sure if it is the ATI driver or somthing else..06:12
remarK-right.06:12
Piciglenner: my ATI has been fine in Gutsy06:13
glennerPici: which driver are you using?06:13
Piciglenner: fglrx06:13
wastedfluidhello... I have a question.  I did the rc upgrade from 7.04, and now my volume keys on my laptop no logner work.  if you volume up, it goes to 11%(no higher), if you volume down, it goes to 0%.. master channel is PCM, but it doesn't work.  If you open Kmix, and change PCM in there.. it DOES work.  Any ideas?06:13
murlidharPici: it install and when i click the mouse in the windows somethings seem working like the application reads my mouse06:13
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Picimurlidhar: Whats the name of the program again?06:14
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murlidharPici: linkage it is at google code06:15
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Picimurlidhar: I'm going to try here06:19
murlidharPici: thanks06:19
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Seeker`has the tickless kernel been enabled in gutsy?06:22
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TheRepackerCongrats to the devs, everything seems to be working great06:25
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Konamhi06:29
nemiknew mandriva is so fast compared to gutsy. is gutsy going to get the CFS scheduler? it seems so slow now06:29
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Picinemik: No.06:29
nemik:/06:30
Picinemik: 23 was realeased far too late for any testing to occur06:30
nemikthere's patches for 2206:30
hydrogenits still too late06:30
hydrogenand cfs is mostly a placebo thing06:30
hydrogenpeople say its faster so you think its faster06:30
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nemikno i tried it and it was faster06:31
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Konamubuntu doesn't seem to write the reconfigurations I make to xorg.conf06:31
hydrogenyou thought it was faster.06:31
hydrogenbecause people told you so06:31
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hydrogenit really is not06:31
andre_sup folks06:31
hydrogenthat much06:31
nemiklol06:31
andre_I here the release candidate is out?06:32
hydrogenyes06:32
hydrogenread the topic.06:32
andre_If I'm running Beta, will it automatically update?06:32
hydrogenyes,06:32
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KonamI use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to change my vertrefresh and it doesn't seem to write to xorg.conf06:32
Picimurlidhar: How did you get that version of libtorrent?06:32
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abadtoothHey all, I want to install 7.10 off of the desktop CD, but I can only get the x server to start by doing "sudo startx" into the shell. again I want to install it and the option seems to not be there while booting with that command..06:32
CheeseGardenerI'm trying to get drivers for the intel 915 chipset.  Someone gave me a sudo command once to download them.  Do you know what command that might be???06:32
Konamthat's giving me problems with compiz06:33
murlidharPici: http://code.google.com/p/linkage/06:33
murlidharPici: it's in the wiki instructions06:34
murlidharPici: http://code.google.com/p/linkage/wiki/Installation06:34
andre_If I had 7.10 Beta Installed will it automatically update to RC?06:34
abadtoothis there a terminal command to install 7.10?06:34
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TheRepackerandre_ yes, keep it updated06:35
Picimurlidhar: er, I can't test all that from here.06:35
andre_TheRepacker: sweet :)06:35
andre_TheRepacker: tx06:35
Picimurlidhar: sorry.06:35
TheRepackerit sure is sweet06:35
abadtoothI can't seem to install it when I boot it as root.06:35
usserabadtooth did u try to run the live cd in safe graphics mode??06:35
murlidharPici: k no problems06:35
abadtoothusser: yes06:35
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usserabadtooth what about changing the res manually06:35
usserabadtooth to something like 800x60006:36
abadtoothusser:  this is the first time i've gotten any ubuntu live cd to boot..06:36
abadtoothusser:  yes, I've tried it06:36
usserabadtooth anyhow instead of startx try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start06:36
usserabadtooth or restart06:36
abadtoothok06:36
kristjan_I installed 32bit ubuntu on 64bit hardware with 1GB memory - why didn't gnome system monitor see all 1GB ram, less than 900MB was visible - was it because of integrated graphics card?06:37
Picikristjan_: Yes.06:37
usserkristjan_ probably06:37
andre_does Compiz Fusion not include the desktop cube?06:37
CheeseGardenerI'm trying to get drivers for the intel 915 chipset.  Someone gave me a sudo command once to download them.  Do you know what command that might be???06:37
usserandre_ it does its not on by default06:37
jhaigI'm running the powertop tool, which is suggesting setting HPET in bios (which I cannot - no option) or install a kernel patch.  Is there a simple way to install this patch?  Is there a kernel with it built in?06:37
andre_usser: how do you turn it on?06:37
TheRepackerthe cube is included, but you have to enable06:38
ReL1KCheeseGardener: should be installed by default.06:38
andre_TheRepacker: how do you enable it?06:38
ReL1Kdo a lspci |grep VGA06:38
TheRepackerdo you have CCSM06:38
usserandre_ open up ccsm and enable desktop cube and cube rotate plugins06:38
andre_usser: ccsm?06:38
CheeseGardenerReL1K, the driver didn't work though.  It has 2 drop down boxes for video card select.06:38
Piciusser: CCSM is the only way to do it?06:38
usserandre_ ccsm is compiz config manager06:38
andre_usser:  I have to install it06:39
andre_usser:  installing06:39
usserPici i suppose somewhere theres a config that u can edit manually06:39
abadtoothusser:  the sudo etc/ one doesn't work, it tries to start, but stops06:39
Piciusser: Okay, thats all I needed to know, thanks.06:39
usserabadtooth with what error?06:39
CheeseGardenerReL1K, so he gave me some sudo command, so I could download or use some other driver.   Now I have one drop down box, and the intel experiemental modesetting driver.06:39
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TheRepackeryes and once it is installed you'll get a 4th choice on the apperence  effects tab06:40
usserabadtooth theres no text install on desktop cd is there?06:40
pestilencei got a new laptop, and i find that much moreso with this laptop than my old one, when a program is doing heavy I/O to the disk, it becomes very difficult to use the computer.  everything is very slow06:40
abadtoothno error... it just says Starting GNOME Display Manager...\06:40
Piciusser:  no, there isnt.06:40
pestilenceat first i suspected it was a DMA issue, but according to hdparm DMA is on.06:40
abadtoothsudo startx seems to be the only way it works..06:41
usserabadtooth arrg im not home but u can find out the installation command by looking at the properties of that Install icon, do u have a different pc that can boot livecd06:41
Piciabadtooth: I'd install using the Alternate disk if you are having that many problems with the liveC06:41
PiciD06:41
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abadtoothusser:  no install icon when on root :(06:42
abadtoothPici:  my internet sucks... can't download it again..06:42
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=== usser Can somebody boot liveCD and look up the name of that gui program that does the install??
Badpenguin86Appr. how much do I need to download to upgrade from fiesty next week? In mb?06:45
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Piciusser: How will that help?06:45
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Konamxorg seems to be broken here :)06:45
Konam:(06:45
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abadtoothlol I was wondering about the smile :P06:46
jhaigOK, I'll try asking the question (regarding the HPET kernel patch) a different way.  If I decide to install Gutsy, is it fairly straightforward to download the kernel source, apply the HPET patch, and build a new kernel?06:46
usserPici well he says he can run X means he can type the name of it in the terminal and launch setup program manually06:46
Piciusser: I think thats just asking for issues.06:47
kristjan_wow powertop is nice :-)06:47
usserPici why not really06:47
Pici!kernel | jhaig06:47
ubotujhaig: kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild.  Also, see !stages06:47
KonamI save some configs to xorg.conf but I don't notice any change in -->preferences-->screen resolution06:47
usserKonam did u restart X after changes06:48
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Konamusser ctrl+alt+backspace, and the changes are saved in xorg.conf but screen resolution doesn't show them06:48
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PirateHeadThere are some issues with the advanced settings for desktop effects... should I submit a bug for Ubuntu, or should I try to talk to the upstream compiz people?06:49
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PiciPirateHead: Please submit a bug.06:50
abadtoothI don't believe it guys! I just was tinkering with the setting in safe graphics mode and it booted right up!06:50
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abadtoothNow I'm very happy!06:50
PirateHeadPici: will do. I've got a lot of bugs to submit. Need to start a proper list. :-)06:50
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Konamusser do you have an idea of why this is happening06:51
abadtoothany of you guys use Dvorak?06:52
usserKonam i dunno, gui X setup never worked for me i always ended up deleting all the modes except one i want to run from xorg06:52
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usserabadtooth glad for u06:53
usserabadtooth im curious can u right click on that icon and tell me the name of that program06:53
abadtoothusser:  ubiquity --desktop %k gtk_ui06:54
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usserabadtooth nice tnx :006:55
ussererr :)06:55
abadtoothusser:  np :D06:55
daSkreechI can't mount any more in gutsy :-(06:55
abadtooththis is fun having 3 computers running on all sides of you :P06:55
daSkreechdoes mount have a verbose mode?06:56
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savvasdaSkreech: yes type: mount06:56
savvas:P06:56
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daSkreechYes06:57
daSkreech and it's still not mounted06:57
daSkreechsudo mount /dev/sda1 Folder06:59
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daSkreechNo mounting :)06:59
abadtoothI have a kinda dumb question... Say my friend installs Gutsy beta, will he be able to update it to the full release the usual way?07:01
savvasdaSkreech: type? ntfs?07:01
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daSkreechYes07:02
savvasdaSkreech: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g07:02
daSkreechah07:02
daSkreechNo ntfs read support out of the box?07:02
savvaswell there is..07:02
savvashold a sec07:03
centyxHi. Is it OK to upgrade to Gutsy by changing 'feisty' to 'gutsy' in /etc/apt/sources.list and running aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade?07:03
Pici!away > uga|away (Please see the private messsage from ubotu)07:03
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abadtoothcentyx:  Do you use you computer for work?07:03
daSkreechcentyx: Read the upgrade notes07:03
abadtoothcentyx:  I wouldn't use the beta for a working install..07:04
centyxabadtooth: oh.07:04
savvasdaSkreech: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_Mount_NTFS_Partitions07:04
centyxabadtooth: oops.07:04
abadtoothUbuntu installed and rebooting :D07:04
savvasdaSkreech: that will mount it as read-only. if you want write access, it's better to use ntfs-3g07:05
daSkreechNope jsut wanna read something07:05
daSkreechI used to be able to mount read only07:05
centyxabadtooth: I was just wondering if aptitude dist-upgrade is any less desirable than update-manager07:05
savvasyou should still be able to do that :)07:05
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abadtoothcentyx:  Update-manager works fine for me..07:06
centyxabadtooth: that's not my question...07:06
centyxabadtooth: I haven't even tried update-manager, and I'd rather not.07:06
abadtoothcentyx:  don't mind me than I'm a Linux newbie :P07:07
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abadtoothOnly been using Linux for about a year now..07:07
centyxabadtooth: how are you liking it?07:08
abadtoothcentyx:  Love every minute of it :D07:08
annemariehow to have write access to ntfs in gutsy?07:08
annemarie wasn't this standard from installation?07:08
abadtoothcentyx:  Compiz Fuzion is also very nice :P07:08
centyxspeedy marie.07:08
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mmkassemannemarie : write access on NTFS is available my default07:09
centyxabadtooth: i'm interested in checking out this apparmor jazz07:09
daSkreechcentyx: still not mounting07:09
annemariemmkassem: i do not have to install a package?07:09
mmkassemannemarie: No, it just works07:09
centyxabadtooth: have fun ;)07:09
annemariethat is GOOD news!07:10
annemariethank you07:10
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mmkassemcentyx: the best way to upgrade to Gusty is it to follow: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades07:11
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foxinessam on beta version ,and using vbox 1.5 OSE, when i installed it am on other version what am on it now ,and seems that  sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup not work and point me to log file? any tips?07:12
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Moduliz0rwhat's a good (and quick) PC emulator?07:14
mmkassemfoxiness: This tutorial worked for me http://phorolinux.com/installing-virtualbox-ose-on-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon.html07:15
foxinessModuliz0r: vbox07:15
Moduliz0rok07:15
abadtoothModuliz0r:  you mean windos?07:15
Moduliz0rI want to run XP under a virtual machine07:15
Moduliz0rfor games such as Halo07:15
abadtoothModuliz0r:  VMware07:15
Moduliz0rwhat's vbox like?07:15
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abadtoothModuliz0r:  halo will run under wine07:15
Moduliz0rno it won't07:15
UbuntuGuyI've got desktop effects enabled on gutsy,  How do I get to the fancy stuff (like in compiz-beryl) for cube, wobbly windows etc?07:15
Moduliz0ri'll give halo another try now then...07:16
abadtoothhttp://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=272007:16
Moduliz0rhmm07:16
Moduliz0rok then07:16
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foxinessmmkassem: thanks07:17
Moduliz0ri can't seem to get a very good framerate with wine though07:17
abadtoothVMware, or emulation will be way worse07:17
Moduliz0ryeah maybe07:17
Moduliz0rI get about 30fps max on HL2 Garrys Mod07:17
Moduliz0rit usually stays at about 14~07:18
Moduliz0rsometimes 10 when I'm unlucky07:18
abadtoothModuliz0r:  what are your systems specs?07:18
Moduliz0rCore 2 Duo 2.40GHz07:18
Moduliz0rnVidia GeForce 8600 GT07:18
Moduliz0r256 (PCI-E)07:18
Moduliz0r1GB of 800MHz DDR2 Crucial (Ballistix) RAM07:18
abadtoothModuliz0r:  that should have more FPS than that..07:18
Moduliz0rYou'd expect, wouldn't you.07:18
abadtoothModuliz0r:  you do have Nvidia drivers?07:19
Moduliz0ryes07:19
Moduliz0rThey were the very first thing I installed from the Internet07:19
abadtoothModuliz0r:  yeah, did you follow that guide to installing halo?07:19
Moduliz0rno i'm just trying it now07:19
Moduliz0rthe installer seems happy07:20
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daSkreech!ntfs07:20
ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse07:20
Moduliz0rCompiz effects make windows apps look so much better07:20
geskerIs there an ETA on the sun-java6-plugin package? It appears to be missing.07:20
abadtoothModuliz0r:  I know all the game I got working with wine run at least as good as in windwos07:20
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Moduliz0rhmm07:20
abadtoothModuliz0r:  lol yeah :D07:21
Moduliz0rI used to get 120+fps in Windows :(07:21
Moduliz0rand now it's ~29 without any props spawned07:21
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Moduliz0rwith anti aliasing off07:21
abadtoothModuliz0r:  yeah something isn't set up right as far as I can tell..07:21
Moduliz0ri'm reinstalling as soon as the final release is out anyway07:21
abadtoothModuliz0r:  not going to just upgrade?07:22
Moduliz0rnah I like a fresh install07:22
Moduliz0rI guess I'm still used to being in Windows07:22
Moduliz0rIs there any way I can turn vsync on in Ubuntu?07:22
abadtoothModuliz0r:  well this isn't windwos :P07:22
Moduliz0rI'll be back... (Trying Halo)07:23
abadtoothBRB gotta swap out an internet connection...07:23
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abadtoothback :P07:23
Moduliz0rhi07:23
Moduliz0rcouldn't get Halo to start07:24
Moduliz0rclick the icon and nothing happens07:24
abadtooththats sweet.. pulled the etho and plugged new one in so quick it didn't even stop playing pandora :P07:24
abadtoothhmm07:24
Moduliz0roh wait07:24
Moduliz0rill be back07:24
abadtoothtry opening it from the terminal07:24
abadtoothModuliz0r:  wine halo.exe07:25
murlidharwhen i sudo apt-get install libboost-regex1.33.1 it says  Package libboost-regex1.33.1 has no installation candidate07:25
murlidharwhat might be the reason07:25
daSkreechcan't mount a ntfs drive in gutsy07:25
savvassouth africa has its own english dialect? didn't know07:26
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savvas(just installed myspell-en-za for language-support-en update lol)07:26
daSkreechnot surprised07:26
bqmasseyi'm running the Live CD.. and it's really slow..   how much disk space is required to install it07:27
Moduliz0rbloody hell07:27
daSkreechRC build07:27
Moduliz0rwhy do half the internet use .RAR?07:27
Moduliz0rit sucks07:27
Moduliz0rand now I cant extract it07:27
nanonymeunrar?07:27
daSkreech!rar07:27
Moduliz0r"Archive type not supported"07:27
uboturar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free07:27
Moduliz0ri dont want to go and install a load of crap to unrar07:27
savvasModuliz0r: sudo apt-get install unrar07:27
Moduliz0rbzip2 is better07:27
Moduliz0rI don't want to have to install it07:27
nanonymerelative07:27
savvas7zip is better, but not so known07:28
Moduliz0ri like 7zip07:28
jhaigsudo apt-get install unrar; unrar file.rar; sudo apt-get uninstall unrar07:28
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bqmasseyanyone know how much disk space is required to install from the live cd?07:28
bqmassey7.10-RC07:28
nanonymebzip2 tarball has the problem that you have to uncompress the whole thing to get one file07:28
nanonymewhereas you can get a single file from rar07:28
nanonymeso it has its uses07:29
foxinessbqmassey: more then 2GB will be nice07:29
bqmasseywould 6 gigs do it?07:29
foxinesssure07:29
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bqmasseyi'm only planning on installing it for a few days07:29
foxinessgo ahead07:30
foxiness:)07:30
bqmasseywhat partition utilities are available from the Live CD? I need to resize the NTFS partition down and add linux partitions07:30
daSkreechI can't mount a partition07:30
abadtoothWhat is everyone opinions on envy? does it work very well?07:30
daSkreechbqmassey: parted gparted and qtparted07:30
daSkreech!envy07:30
ubotuenvy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!07:30
pwuertzbqmassey: the live cd features ntfs resizing07:30
Moduliz0rHalo is running07:31
Moduliz0rbut it's not doing anything07:31
Moduliz0rit's made my resolution crap07:31
bqmasseypwuertz: non-destructive?07:31
Moduliz0rand thats it07:31
Moduliz0rit's also eating my computer07:31
pwuertzbqmassey: indeed07:31
abadtoothModuliz0r: hmm07:31
bqmasseyyay07:31
bqmasseywhat's the best way to go about it? .. any gui?07:31
foxinessbqmassey: can u do that in windows ? if yes do it there not i think "coz am move from version to another" that it has tool to do that for u07:31
abadtoothModuliz0r:  do you have a windows install you could rip the files from?07:32
Moduliz0rI do.07:32
Moduliz0rbut07:32
Moduliz0rits XP x6407:32
Moduliz0rso no07:32
pwuertzbqmassey: xp will normally run scandisk when booting next time.. but I never had any problems with the ntfs resizer07:32
bqmasseypwuertz: how do i access it?07:32
bqmasseyfoxiness: not that i know of.. without an illegal copy of PartitionMagic07:32
Moduliz0rThats a flaw in wine-run programs... they dont put the screen resolutuion back :(07:32
abadtoothModuliz0r:  maybe get cedega07:33
Moduliz0rCedega phailed even worse07:33
foxinessbqmassey: what ever :) its more safe "from real life"07:33
abadtoothModuliz0r:  yeah..07:33
Moduliz0rcedega couldn't even make steam run07:33
pwuertzbqmassey: its an option in the normal installing routine... you can install ubuntu by resizing an existing ntfs partition..  it will use the new space as root partition07:33
bqmasseyoh .. ok!..07:33
Moduliz0r...i just changed my resolution back and saw a halo logo flicker :|07:33
bqmasseyi have like $5,000-$15,000 worth of data for my company on this machine.. maybe i should back up first07:34
pwuertzbqmassey: its the default install option when there is a windows partition taking the whole hard drive07:34
pwuertzbqmassey: definately07:34
bqmasseyah screw it..  ubuntu will take care of me07:34
bqmassey:D07:34
pwuertzbqmassey: but you should do that anyways ^^07:34
abadtoothbqmassey:  might be a good idea..07:34
daSkreechhow can I check that ntfs is loaded07:34
bqmasseygoing to go install now...  thanks guys :D07:34
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daSkreechGrrr07:36
daSkreech0.o07:37
daSkreechWhy would mounting break?07:37
UbuntuGuyI've got desktop effects enabled on gutsy,  How do I get to the fancy stuff (like in compiz-beryl) for cube, wobbly windows etc?07:38
murlidharhi savvas i downloaded the whole iso just by renaming the jiggo iso.temp to temp07:39
foxinessUbuntuGuy: i think its the old way "Beryl manager"07:39
murlidharsavvas: it took an hour to download the iso07:39
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Moduliz0rUnder Cedega, Halo starts but quits with a Direct3D error07:40
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abadtoothModuliz0r:  have you tried to open it in the terminal?07:41
ryancr_with the latest updates, I am getting this when trying to boot: udev-event: run program '/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit07:41
ryancr_I have to use the -12 kernel to be able to boot up07:41
ryancr_any ideas?07:42
Moduliz0rabadtooth: I can give you the output if you like07:43
merc`what do i have to get to have more compiz options/control ?07:43
merc`the 3 options in the appearance tab aren't doing it for me ;)07:43
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Ximalhey all ..07:43
abadtoothModuliz0r:  okay07:44
Moduliz0r!pastebin07:44
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)07:44
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Moduliz0rhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40413/07:46
foxinessryanakca: try to search about this on (google,launchpad,ubuntu forum)07:46
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UbuntuGuyfoxiness: I'm looking for it.  Doesn't seem to be installeld and aptitude search beryl comes up empty07:48
abadtoothModuliz0r:  you did get those Dll's right?07:49
Moduliz0rwhich ones?07:50
Ximali need help guys .. I seem to have found a bug with the sound card and sound rendering07:50
Moduliz0ri got the one it said on WineHQ07:50
XimalEverytime I close a program and the sound stops.. It doesn't let me have sound in any other program..07:50
abadtoothtry this guid07:50
XimalI can't have sounds in multiple programs either.. it locks the sound to the last used program.. and when i close it i loose sound till reboot07:50
abadtoothhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=48698607:50
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