[07:05] <nothlit> https://people.fluxbuntu.org/~nothlit/tablet_fun/ mypaint brush tests :)
[08:35] <KidProQuo> kwwii: when are the official guidelines for Hardy due out?
[08:49] <KidProQuo> anyone?
[10:01] <kwwii> KidProQuo: probably sometime like the end of next week or the beginning of the next
[10:04] <KidProQuo> kwwii, thanks. I heard it was brown & orange mainly; what kind of orange are we talking? bright, light, dark, etc?
[10:05] <kwwii> actually it will be black and orange mainly
[10:05] <kwwii> so the brown is kinda going away
[10:05] <KidProQuo> that's what I meant, black
[10:05] <KidProQuo> anyway, what kind of orange?
[10:05] <kwwii> I'll make a palette soon but I would think that it will be more darker oranges than lighter ones
[10:06] <KidProQuo> Ok, thanks. I'll get my thinking cap on.
[10:06] <KidProQuo> :-)
[12:59] <lassegul>  /join #ubuntu-no
[12:59] <lassegul> sry
[03:32] <hellraiser_rob> Hey folks, anyone got any tips for someone just joined?
[03:33] <_MMA_> hellraiser_rob: What would you like to do?
[03:34] <hellraiser_rob> I feel i could contribute in quite a few areas, i guess what i'm after is advice as to what needs help working on?
[03:35] <_MMA_> Well the WIKI for info on Hardy's art will be up soon.
[03:35] <_MMA_> Reading that will be a good start.
[03:35] <hellraiser_rob> ah thats explains it, i thought it looked a bit sparce
[03:35] <hellraiser_rob> i get everything has been tidied now gutsy is going out the door?
[03:35] <hellraiser_rob> get=guess
[03:35] <_MMA_> Gutsy is done yes.
[03:36] <hellraiser_rob> which would be here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy
[03:36] <hellraiser_rob> ?
[03:37] <hellraiser_rob> i guess i should wait for the new artwork direction advice
[03:37] <_MMA_> That will be it yes. I believe its a work-in-progress ATM.
[03:37] <hellraiser_rob> what kind of work do you do _MMA_?
[03:37] <_MMA_> I'm the lead on Ubuntu Studio.
[03:38] <_MMA_> hellraiser_rob: Do you have examples of your work?
[03:39] <hellraiser_rob> i guess i would say i'm looking to give something back even if it is a small amount: http://www.robertjamesphillips.com/
[03:41] <hellraiser_rob> Do you think i could be of any use?
[03:41] <_MMA_> hellraiser_rob: If you want to take a look our page is farther along. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialHardyIncoming
[03:43] <_MMA_> hellraiser_rob: Well that's up to you. Having self-motivation is key IMO.
[03:43] <hellraiser_rob> interesting concepts for studio
[03:43] <hellraiser_rob> it's surprising that your going so far away from the main branch design
[03:43] <_MMA_> So once the pages are further along for Ubuntu, read the wiki and post your ideas.
[03:44] <_MMA_> hellraiser_rob: "main branch" is what? Ubuntu?
[03:44] <hellraiser_rob> yeah sorry i'm not up with the lingo yet
[03:45] <lassegul> nothlit: ping?
[03:47] <_MMA_> hellraiser_rob: np. In any case, if you're looking for an "assignment" it doesnt work that way.
[03:47] <_MMA_> Just post your ideas to the wiki once its done. :)
[03:47] <hellraiser_rob> yeah i assumed it would be way to busy for that
[03:48] <hellraiser_rob> well thanks for the advice
[03:48] <_MMA_> np
[03:51] <hellraiser_rob> I also guess there is some technical skill within this "artwork" group in order to implement the designs?
[03:51] <hellraiser_rob> or are the graphics simply handed over?
[03:52] <_MMA_> hellraiser_rob: Could you elaborate?
[03:53] <_MMA_> Are you asking about the process?
[03:53] <hellraiser_rob> yeah
[03:53] <hellraiser_rob> i guess designs are all mocked up first
[03:54] <hellraiser_rob> revised, changed, finalised.....then sliced up and actually built (as in a theme created etc)
[03:55] <_MMA_> Yeah. Thats pretty much it.
[03:58] <hellraiser_rob> and who would build the theme? the art group?
[03:58] <_MMA_> "build" as in package?
[03:58] <hellraiser_rob> build as in slice it up and create the theme
[03:59] <_MMA_> Im still missing what you're saying. :) Do you mean pick the best submissions for each part of the theme?
[04:00] <_MMA_> ie: icons, walls, GTK theme, etc...
[04:00] <hellraiser_rob> sorry, my descriptions probably aren't very good
[04:00] <hellraiser_rob> i mean:
[04:00] <_MMA_> Ubuntu has a art lead that will take into consideration all opinons. Mark S. also has a say.
[04:01] <hellraiser_rob> is it up to the artwork team to turn the designs into working parts (themes for example), or do they hand the designs over to another department, who build them
[04:01] <lassegul> hellraiser_rob: you mean like creating the gtkrc and stuff?
[04:01] <hellraiser_rob> yeah
[04:01] <_MMA_> No. People submit that. :)
[04:02] <_MMA_> Like wallpaper, icons and what have you.
[04:02] <hellraiser_rob> yeah
[04:02] <hellraiser_rob> people submit that?  What does that mean?
[04:02] <hellraiser_rob> oh i think i see
[04:02] <hellraiser_rob> ignore me now,
[04:02] <hellraiser_rob> i'm starting to annoy myself
[04:02] <_MMA_> huh? What have we been talking about for the past 30mins? :)
[04:03] <_MMA_> :)
[04:03] <hellraiser_rob> sometimes it's hard to understand bloody text conversations :)
[04:04] <hellraiser_rob> how do you find time to be lead for studio, do you have a fulltime job?
[04:04] <_MMA_> No. I'm a stay-at-home Dad.
[04:08] <hellraiser_rob> that is a full time job!
[04:16] <hellraiser_rob> i read that the main form of communications is the mailing lists?
[04:17] <hellraiser_rob> is this the most common way for people to send work etc
[04:18] <_MMA_> hellraiser_rob: Using the WIKI? Yes.
[04:19] <_MMA_> kwwii: You around?
[04:34] <kwwii> _MMA_: now I am
[04:36] <_MMA_> kwwii: I was just seeing if you could chime in on my chat with hellraiser_rob and just wondering whats up. How goes the day and all that jazz.
[04:36] <kwwii> I think I will change my nick to something so overtly positive that people will be nice to me
[04:36] <_MMA_> :)
[04:36] <kwwii> _MMA_: yeah, just reading back
[04:36] <kwwii> _MMA_: today has been ubuntu-mobile hell
[04:36] <_MMA_> :(
[04:37] <kwwii> well, nobody wants to work on the weekend and apparently it is a holiday in brazil so last night they decided that today is the deadline
[04:37] <kwwii> I was up all night
[04:38] <_MMA_> kwwii: re: nick. My normal internet name (fourms and such) is MetalMusicAddict. I started using IRC when most networks wouldnt take all those characters. So I had to shorten.
[04:38] <kwwii> hellraiser_rob: there is nobody who officialy helps with getting the more technical pieces together, so we need to search for help among the community developers in other channels, etc
[04:38] <kwwii> _MMA_: my nick is just my name, abbreviated but for years gnome people gave me shit because they said it meant "k world war 2"
[04:39] <_MMA_> lol. Nice. ;)
[04:39] <kwwii> thanks be to god nintendo made the wii :-) now they say I am proud of owning a wii (which I don't even own)
[04:40] <_MMA_> hahaha
[04:40] <nysosym> lol
[04:40] <_MMA_> Man. Dont wanna work on the weekends. pftt... Thats crazy.
[04:48] <kwwii> I know that I will be working this weekend
[04:48] <kwwii> but my son is leaving in a bit to stay at a friends house
[04:49] <kwwii> so I will definitely try not to do too much work tonight
[04:49] <_MMA_> Yeah. Im not doing much till after UDS.
[04:49] <_MMA_> Ill get Ubuntu Studio out the door then its time for a break.
[04:51] <_MMA_> Go to Boston. Have some geeky fun. Eat some food. Spend time away from the crazy kids. Should be fun. ;)
[04:51] <kwwii> you should do it every 3 months and more as I do to see how un-fun it can be
[04:52] <kwwii> also, I'll be in Boston for 17 days :-(
[04:52] <_MMA_> kwwii: Wow. Time enough to miss the family again. :)
[04:53] <kwwii> time enough to get really sick of sleeping in a hotel rooom
[04:53] <_MMA_> :)
[04:53] <_MMA_> Yeah. I see that.
[04:54] <kwwii> and being the only artist I get sick of listening to funny developer stories
[04:54] <_MMA_> lol.
[04:55] <nysosym> funny developer stories?
[04:55] <nysosym> any developer has my greatest respect!
[04:55] <kwwii> "did you see code X...what I think you need to do is blahblubblah" - everyone chuckles
[04:56] <_MMA_> And the use of "crackful" get old in reference to code. :)
[04:58] <_MMA_> kwwii: But the fact that you understand the geeky joke is also telling. ;)
[05:05] <kwwii> _MMA_: lol, doubt
[05:06] <kwwii> I kept telling the intel people that they cannot expect me to do the technical stuff as I am just and artist, you should have heard their response
[05:07] <_MMA_> Which was? :)
[05:08] <kwwii> basically they said "compared to our artists you are a geek"
[05:08] <_MMA_> :D
[05:08] <_MMA_> Our their artists OSX/Windows guys?
[05:08] <kwwii> pure osx people
[05:09] <_MMA_> There ya go. :)
[05:09] <kwwii> well, I have two osx boxes as well
[05:09] <kwwii> :p
[05:09] <_MMA_> You are the exception.
[05:09] <kwwii> I should just learn to shut my mouth
[05:09] <_MMA_> Most Mac people I know are arty and dont even know they can bring up a terminal.
[05:11] <kwwii> terminal? what's that? :D
[05:11] <_MMA_> ;)
[05:11] <kwwii> guess I should stop chatting with irssi before I say that
[05:11] <nysosym> i need a terminal very often and i use osx too :D
[05:12] <kwwii> I just wrote a bash script for a friend so that he can create indexes of his external drives
[05:12] <_MMA_> kwwii: On what OS?
[05:12] <kwwii> he does video production and until now was taking screenshots of the finder windows
[05:12] <kwwii> on OSX
[05:13] <kwwii> he wanted to be able to look for a file without having to hook up the drive
[05:13] <kwwii> I came to his office and one wall was nothing but taped-together printouts of screenshots
[05:13] <_MMA_> There's nothing like Tracker or Beagle in OSX?
[05:14] <kwwii> sure but he has like 50 external harddisks and did not want to have to hook it up first
[05:14] <_MMA_> Dont Tracker and Beagle do this.
[05:14] <_MMA_> Well maybe not.
[05:14] <_MMA_> 50!? Time to get a couple of TB drives. ;)
[05:15] <kwwii> he actually was going out to buy newer bigger drives
[05:16] <kwwii> he also has DVD backups for some stuff but that is very time consuming
[05:16] <kwwii> of course, he also has the original tapes and such
[05:16] <_MMA_> Wow.
[05:20] <kwwii> man, I just saw my christmas present to myself...a 300mm/2.8 nikon lense
[05:20] <kwwii> costs only 4,500Euros
[05:20] <kwwii> :p
[05:20] <nysosym> ahhh a nikon fan :)
[05:20] <kwwii> my wife just stared at me like I was stupid
[05:21] <kwwii> guess I will have to buy it when she is not looking
[05:21] <_MMA_> :D
[05:21] <kwwii> if she knew how much all my cameras and stuff cost she would probably divorce me
[05:21] <nysosym> girls doesn't understand what costs so much money on a lense :D
[05:22] <_MMA_> Im hoping to get a Nokia 770/800 and a 30" Dell LCD Christmas. I doubt Ill get the LDC. I ll have to wait till the spring most likely.
[05:22] <nysosym> which model do you have kwwii?
[05:23] <kwwii> nysosym: I have a fuji S5 pro atm
[05:23] <kwwii> nysosym: but I am going to pick up a D3 when they come out in November
[05:23] <_MMA_> Oh, and a bigger Wacom pad. :)
[05:23] <kwwii> I have a big wacom tablet and I love it
[05:24] <kwwii> in fact, if anyone is looking for an a4 intuos3 I would be willing to get rid of it pretty cheap
[05:24] <_MMA_> kwwii: Really?
[05:24] <nysosym> wow a d3 my hearts beats on! :D
[05:25] <_MMA_> kwwii: Works fine using wacom-tools I suppose right?
[05:25] <nysosym> kwwii what kind of photos did you shot?
[05:29] <hellraiser_rob> kwwii: Thanks for the clarification
[05:30] <kwwii> _MMA_: yepp
[05:31] <_MMA_> kwwii: Ignore the PM. How many levels of sensitivity? Does it work fully in linux buttons and all?
[05:31] <kwwii> nysosym: I do all kinds of stuff, although not much sports
[05:31] <nysosym> kwwii: wow, any examples?
[05:31] <kwwii> _MMA_: not sure about the extra buttons, been a while since I tried to get them to work
[05:32] <_MMA_> kwwii: Any chance of bringing it to Boston?
[05:32] <kwwii> _MMA_: sure I can bring it along
[05:32] <_MMA_> Cool.
[05:33] <kwwii> nysosym: www.flickr.com is my personal stuff
[05:34] <_MMA_> Depending on what you want for it I might be able to get the $ together. The sweatshirts I got printed and the trip in general got me pretty thin atm. Maybe after Boston. December-ish.
[05:34] <_MMA_> But Im interested.
[05:34] <nysosym> kwwii: i can't find you there under "kwwii"
[05:35] <kwwii> _MMA_: I took it with me when I left SUSE so the price will be pretty low :-)
[05:35] <kwwii> they gave me both my tablets and one of my macs when I left
[05:35] <_MMA_> :)
[05:35] <_MMA_> Sweet.
[05:37] <_MMA_> kwwii: Is it a 9X12?
[05:38] <kwwii> let me find a pic
[05:38] <kwwii> it is not the really big one
[05:38] <kwwii> I am keeping that one :-)
[05:39] <_MMA_> I have a 4x5 now.
[05:42] <kwwii> erm, I take it back that it is an a4, it is an a5 intuos3
[05:43] <kwwii> 34.5cm x 25cm or su
[05:43] <kwwii> so
[05:44] <kwwii> nysosym: www.flickr.com/photos/kwwii
[05:44] <kwwii> there are lots of pictures of my son though ;-)
[05:45] <kwwii> I don't post anything there that I sell, so most of the best pics are not on that page
[05:45] <nysosym> i see, is see and i like them :)
[05:46] <_MMA_> Because I'm crazy, I want this: http://www.wacom.com/intuos/12x19.cfm
[05:47] <nysosym> yes, you are crazy :D
[05:47] <_MMA_> Ooo.... Cool. http://www.wacom.com/cintiq
[05:47] <nysosym> i wanne have the wacom display, these is much better as any externel Tablett :)
[05:47] <_MMA_> Though I want something thats 16:10.
[05:48] <nysosym> kwwii i love your macro shots!
[05:49] <hellraiser_rob> Are the majority of the art team US based?
[05:49] <nysosym> hmm i*ll say no
[05:49] <kwwii> _MMA_: yeah, if your monitor is wide, it is worth every penny to get a wide version
[05:50] <_MMA_> hellraiser_rob: I dont know how much of a "team: it really is. Most of the people who hang out here seem to be pretty spread out.
[05:50] <kwwii> hellraiser_rob: I would guess that there are more europeans working on artwork than americans at this point
[05:50] <_MMA_> kwwii: Yeah. After having the 24" LCD I could never go back to 4:3
[05:50] <kwwii> although I am american I live in germany
[05:51] <hellraiser_rob> well thats good to know it's diverse
[05:51] <kwwii> _MMA_: I found that the most important thing is to have a tablet which is at least as big as your monitor
[05:51] <hellraiser_rob> have a good weekend all
[05:51] <_MMA_> Bye
[05:51] <troy_s> what do you guys use your tablets for?
[05:51] <nysosym> bye
[05:51] <kwwii> dude, the mailing list got a spam bomb today
[05:52] <_MMA_> kwwii: Yeah. Seems a tablet the same size as my LCD would be more than the LCD itself. :)
[05:52] <kwwii> troy_s: I use it to draw with...although it is really nice to use in an "inking" kind of way
[05:52] <kwwii> _MMA_: lol, you're monitor is too big
[05:53] <_MMA_> kwwii: We got hit as well. I just block/rejected the address.
[05:53] <kwwii> I'll give you my small tablet and you give me your monitor
[05:53] <_MMA_> Pfftt.. No such thing.
[05:53] <_MMA_> Well the wife gets the 24 if I get the 30. ;)
[05:53] <_MMA_> Though Apple has a 32 now I think.
[05:55] <_MMA_> troy_s: You arent using you tablet in Inkscape?
[05:59] <kwwii> hehe
[06:00] <nysosym> troy_s: my current work for a computer game :)
[06:00] <nysosym> http://www.nysosym.de/crazyboy.png
[06:00] <nysosym> that's what i do with my wacom :)
[06:04] <_MMA_> Thanx to jono for the link to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1WKYmx4i1Q :)
[06:06] <kwwii> lol, I think you just turned me on to a new hobby
[06:08] <_MMA_> :)
[06:09] <nysosym> much better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZN1puUwH0c ^^
[06:09] <_MMA_> lolololol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBiLAy7mDbw
[06:14] <kwwii> lol
[06:14] <kwwii> this guy has too much free time
[06:15] <_MMA_> :)
[06:16] <_MMA_> Theres TONS of videos. I didnt look at them all. I stopped with the cantena clip.
[06:32] <kwwii> be back much later
[06:34] <_MMA_> Later sir.
[07:58] <nothlit> kwwii: if you have a tablet as large as your monitor you can do this ;p http://www.bongofish.co.uk/wacom/wacom_pt1.html
[07:59] <nothlit> theres youtube videos of it as well
[08:08] <nothlit> i don't find much of an advantage for digital painting, perhaps for inking, or anything in inkscape where zoom is death
[08:09] <nothlit> but on another computer i just used a tablet meant for writing chinese, never missed the 9x12... i think its more important to get the touchstrips and control buttons if you need them
[08:11] <nothlit> lassegul: pong
[08:12] <nothlit> oh, last reason for getting a large tablet would be if you would like to transfer/trace things digitally, rather than scan/shoot and trace as a layer
[09:54] <Andeh> hai guize :D
[11:49] <Gadren> hi, i heard that the Ubuntu colors are moving away from brown and more toward orange and black -- is that true?
[12:24] <nothlit> Gadren: that seems to be what sabdfl prefers, if you want to know about the official direction you'll have to wait for the official page to get populated
[12:25] <Gadren> nothlit: oh, ok -- is sabdfl a person?
[12:26] <nothlit> !sabdfl
[12:26] <ubotu> Mark "sabdfl" Shuttleworth is our favourite cosmonaut, the founder of Canonical and the primary driver behind Ubuntu. You can find pieces of his thinking at http://www.markshuttleworth.com
[12:26] <Gadren> oh :P