=== _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === coz_ [n=coz_@pool-68-162-158-119.pitt.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === coz_ [n=coz_@unaffiliated/coz/x-457345] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Did] === klepas [n=klepas@ppp167-251-133.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === coz_ [n=coz_@unaffiliated/coz/x-457345] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === coz_ [n=coz_@unaffiliated/coz/x-457345] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Did] === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [07:05] https://people.fluxbuntu.org/~nothlit/tablet_fun/ mypaint brush tests :) === KidProQuo [n=Kidproqu@125-237-210-14.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nysosym [n=nysosym@hlle-4db185d4.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [08:35] kwwii: when are the official guidelines for Hardy due out? [08:49] anyone? === nothlit [n=nothlit@fluxbuntu/developer/nothlit] has joined #Ubuntu-Artwork === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === tonic-pushcart [n=tonic@203-114-182-35.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:01] KidProQuo: probably sometime like the end of next week or the beginning of the next [10:04] kwwii, thanks. I heard it was brown & orange mainly; what kind of orange are we talking? bright, light, dark, etc? [10:05] actually it will be black and orange mainly [10:05] so the brown is kinda going away [10:05] that's what I meant, black [10:05] anyway, what kind of orange? [10:05] I'll make a palette soon but I would think that it will be more darker oranges than lighter ones [10:06] Ok, thanks. I'll get my thinking cap on. [10:06] :-) === nothlit [n=nothlit@fluxbuntu/developer/nothlit] has joined #Ubuntu-Artwork === KidProQuo is now known as KidProQuo_away === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-artwork.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Topic for #ubuntu-artwork: Next team meeting sometime around Nov 2nd 17:00UTC :: Check out the revamped http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ :: Coming very soon to a wiki near you: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy === Topic (#ubuntu-artwork): set by kwwii at Tue Oct 9 16:27:08 2007 === andreasn [n=andreas@90-227-183-136-no128.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === coz_ [n=coz_@unaffiliated/coz/x-457345] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === coz_ [n=coz_@unaffiliated/coz/x-457345] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Did] === nothlit [n=nothlit@fluxbuntu/developer/nothlit] has joined #Ubuntu-Artwork === wedderburn [n=andrew@ppp194-10.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:59] /join #ubuntu-no [12:59] sry === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === coz_ [n=coz_@unaffiliated/coz/x-457345] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === coz_ [n=coz_@unaffiliated/coz/x-457345] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Did] === Skiessi [n=qwe@dsl-roibrasgw1-ff90c100-219.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === hellraiser_rob [n=hellrais@212.118.224.34] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [03:32] Hey folks, anyone got any tips for someone just joined? [03:33] <_MMA_> hellraiser_rob: What would you like to do? [03:34] I feel i could contribute in quite a few areas, i guess what i'm after is advice as to what needs help working on? [03:35] <_MMA_> Well the WIKI for info on Hardy's art will be up soon. [03:35] <_MMA_> Reading that will be a good start. [03:35] ah thats explains it, i thought it looked a bit sparce [03:35] i get everything has been tidied now gutsy is going out the door? [03:35] get=guess [03:35] <_MMA_> Gutsy is done yes. [03:36] which would be here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy [03:36] ? [03:37] i guess i should wait for the new artwork direction advice [03:37] <_MMA_> That will be it yes. I believe its a work-in-progress ATM. [03:37] what kind of work do you do _MMA_? [03:37] <_MMA_> I'm the lead on Ubuntu Studio. [03:38] <_MMA_> hellraiser_rob: Do you have examples of your work? [03:39] i guess i would say i'm looking to give something back even if it is a small amount: http://www.robertjamesphillips.com/ [03:41] Do you think i could be of any use? [03:41] <_MMA_> hellraiser_rob: If you want to take a look our page is farther along. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialHardyIncoming [03:43] <_MMA_> hellraiser_rob: Well that's up to you. Having self-motivation is key IMO. [03:43] interesting concepts for studio [03:43] it's surprising that your going so far away from the main branch design [03:43] <_MMA_> So once the pages are further along for Ubuntu, read the wiki and post your ideas. [03:44] <_MMA_> hellraiser_rob: "main branch" is what? Ubuntu? [03:44] yeah sorry i'm not up with the lingo yet [03:45] nothlit: ping? [03:47] <_MMA_> hellraiser_rob: np. In any case, if you're looking for an "assignment" it doesnt work that way. [03:47] <_MMA_> Just post your ideas to the wiki once its done. :) [03:47] yeah i assumed it would be way to busy for that [03:48] well thanks for the advice [03:48] <_MMA_> np [03:51] I also guess there is some technical skill within this "artwork" group in order to implement the designs? [03:51] or are the graphics simply handed over? [03:52] <_MMA_> hellraiser_rob: Could you elaborate? [03:53] <_MMA_> Are you asking about the process? [03:53] yeah [03:53] i guess designs are all mocked up first [03:54] revised, changed, finalised.....then sliced up and actually built (as in a theme created etc) [03:55] <_MMA_> Yeah. Thats pretty much it. [03:58] and who would build the theme? the art group? [03:58] <_MMA_> "build" as in package? [03:58] build as in slice it up and create the theme [03:59] <_MMA_> Im still missing what you're saying. :) Do you mean pick the best submissions for each part of the theme? [04:00] <_MMA_> ie: icons, walls, GTK theme, etc... [04:00] sorry, my descriptions probably aren't very good [04:00] i mean: [04:00] <_MMA_> Ubuntu has a art lead that will take into consideration all opinons. Mark S. also has a say. [04:01] is it up to the artwork team to turn the designs into working parts (themes for example), or do they hand the designs over to another department, who build them [04:01] hellraiser_rob: you mean like creating the gtkrc and stuff? [04:01] yeah [04:01] <_MMA_> No. People submit that. :) === RantingHuman [i=RantingH@122.164.122.145] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:02] <_MMA_> Like wallpaper, icons and what have you. [04:02] yeah [04:02] people submit that? What does that mean? [04:02] oh i think i see [04:02] ignore me now, [04:02] i'm starting to annoy myself [04:02] <_MMA_> huh? What have we been talking about for the past 30mins? :) [04:03] <_MMA_> :) [04:03] sometimes it's hard to understand bloody text conversations :) [04:04] how do you find time to be lead for studio, do you have a fulltime job? [04:04] <_MMA_> No. I'm a stay-at-home Dad. [04:08] that is a full time job! [04:16] i read that the main form of communications is the mailing lists? === thorwil [n=thorwil@p5089537A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:17] is this the most common way for people to send work etc [04:18] <_MMA_> hellraiser_rob: Using the WIKI? Yes. [04:19] <_MMA_> kwwii: You around? === RantingHuman [i=RantingH@122.164.122.145] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:34] _MMA_: now I am [04:36] <_MMA_> kwwii: I was just seeing if you could chime in on my chat with hellraiser_rob and just wondering whats up. How goes the day and all that jazz. [04:36] I think I will change my nick to something so overtly positive that people will be nice to me [04:36] <_MMA_> :) [04:36] _MMA_: yeah, just reading back [04:36] _MMA_: today has been ubuntu-mobile hell [04:36] <_MMA_> :( [04:37] well, nobody wants to work on the weekend and apparently it is a holiday in brazil so last night they decided that today is the deadline [04:37] I was up all night [04:38] <_MMA_> kwwii: re: nick. My normal internet name (fourms and such) is MetalMusicAddict. I started using IRC when most networks wouldnt take all those characters. So I had to shorten. [04:38] hellraiser_rob: there is nobody who officialy helps with getting the more technical pieces together, so we need to search for help among the community developers in other channels, etc [04:38] _MMA_: my nick is just my name, abbreviated but for years gnome people gave me shit because they said it meant "k world war 2" [04:39] <_MMA_> lol. Nice. ;) [04:39] thanks be to god nintendo made the wii :-) now they say I am proud of owning a wii (which I don't even own) [04:40] <_MMA_> hahaha [04:40] lol [04:40] <_MMA_> Man. Dont wanna work on the weekends. pftt... Thats crazy. [04:48] I know that I will be working this weekend === wedderburn [n=andrew@ppp194-10.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:48] but my son is leaving in a bit to stay at a friends house [04:49] so I will definitely try not to do too much work tonight [04:49] <_MMA_> Yeah. Im not doing much till after UDS. [04:49] <_MMA_> Ill get Ubuntu Studio out the door then its time for a break. [04:51] <_MMA_> Go to Boston. Have some geeky fun. Eat some food. Spend time away from the crazy kids. Should be fun. ;) [04:51] you should do it every 3 months and more as I do to see how un-fun it can be [04:52] also, I'll be in Boston for 17 days :-( [04:52] <_MMA_> kwwii: Wow. Time enough to miss the family again. :) [04:53] time enough to get really sick of sleeping in a hotel rooom [04:53] <_MMA_> :) [04:53] <_MMA_> Yeah. I see that. [04:54] and being the only artist I get sick of listening to funny developer stories [04:54] <_MMA_> lol. [04:55] funny developer stories? [04:55] any developer has my greatest respect! [04:55] "did you see code X...what I think you need to do is blahblubblah" - everyone chuckles [04:56] <_MMA_> And the use of "crackful" get old in reference to code. :) [04:58] <_MMA_> kwwii: But the fact that you understand the geeky joke is also telling. ;) === _MMA_ points at kwwii and yells "NERD"! === _MMA_ also realizes its the pot callin' the kettle black. ;) [05:05] _MMA_: lol, doubt [05:06] I kept telling the intel people that they cannot expect me to do the technical stuff as I am just and artist, you should have heard their response [05:07] <_MMA_> Which was? :) [05:08] basically they said "compared to our artists you are a geek" [05:08] <_MMA_> :D [05:08] <_MMA_> Our their artists OSX/Windows guys? [05:08] pure osx people [05:09] <_MMA_> There ya go. :) [05:09] well, I have two osx boxes as well [05:09] :p [05:09] <_MMA_> You are the exception. [05:09] I should just learn to shut my mouth [05:09] <_MMA_> Most Mac people I know are arty and dont even know they can bring up a terminal. [05:11] terminal? what's that? :D [05:11] <_MMA_> ;) [05:11] guess I should stop chatting with irssi before I say that [05:11] i need a terminal very often and i use osx too :D [05:12] I just wrote a bash script for a friend so that he can create indexes of his external drives [05:12] <_MMA_> kwwii: On what OS? [05:12] he does video production and until now was taking screenshots of the finder windows [05:12] on OSX [05:13] he wanted to be able to look for a file without having to hook up the drive [05:13] I came to his office and one wall was nothing but taped-together printouts of screenshots [05:13] <_MMA_> There's nothing like Tracker or Beagle in OSX? [05:14] sure but he has like 50 external harddisks and did not want to have to hook it up first [05:14] <_MMA_> Dont Tracker and Beagle do this. [05:14] <_MMA_> Well maybe not. [05:14] <_MMA_> 50!? Time to get a couple of TB drives. ;) [05:15] he actually was going out to buy newer bigger drives [05:16] he also has DVD backups for some stuff but that is very time consuming [05:16] of course, he also has the original tapes and such [05:16] <_MMA_> Wow. [05:20] man, I just saw my christmas present to myself...a 300mm/2.8 nikon lense [05:20] costs only 4,500Euros [05:20] :p [05:20] ahhh a nikon fan :) [05:20] my wife just stared at me like I was stupid [05:21] guess I will have to buy it when she is not looking [05:21] <_MMA_> :D [05:21] if she knew how much all my cameras and stuff cost she would probably divorce me [05:21] girls doesn't understand what costs so much money on a lense :D [05:22] <_MMA_> Im hoping to get a Nokia 770/800 and a 30" Dell LCD Christmas. I doubt Ill get the LDC. I ll have to wait till the spring most likely. [05:22] which model do you have kwwii? [05:23] nysosym: I have a fuji S5 pro atm [05:23] nysosym: but I am going to pick up a D3 when they come out in November [05:23] <_MMA_> Oh, and a bigger Wacom pad. :) [05:23] I have a big wacom tablet and I love it === _MMA_ will have to pick kwwii's brain in Boston about cameras. [05:24] in fact, if anyone is looking for an a4 intuos3 I would be willing to get rid of it pretty cheap [05:24] <_MMA_> kwwii: Really? === _MMA_ googles [05:24] wow a d3 my hearts beats on! :D [05:25] <_MMA_> kwwii: Works fine using wacom-tools I suppose right? [05:25] kwwii what kind of photos did you shot? [05:29] kwwii: Thanks for the clarification [05:30] _MMA_: yepp [05:31] <_MMA_> kwwii: Ignore the PM. How many levels of sensitivity? Does it work fully in linux buttons and all? [05:31] nysosym: I do all kinds of stuff, although not much sports [05:31] kwwii: wow, any examples? [05:31] _MMA_: not sure about the extra buttons, been a while since I tried to get them to work [05:32] <_MMA_> kwwii: Any chance of bringing it to Boston? [05:32] _MMA_: sure I can bring it along [05:32] <_MMA_> Cool. [05:33] nysosym: www.flickr.com is my personal stuff [05:34] <_MMA_> Depending on what you want for it I might be able to get the $ together. The sweatshirts I got printed and the trip in general got me pretty thin atm. Maybe after Boston. December-ish. [05:34] <_MMA_> But Im interested. [05:34] kwwii: i can't find you there under "kwwii" [05:35] _MMA_: I took it with me when I left SUSE so the price will be pretty low :-) [05:35] they gave me both my tablets and one of my macs when I left [05:35] <_MMA_> :) [05:35] <_MMA_> Sweet. [05:37] <_MMA_> kwwii: Is it a 9X12? [05:38] let me find a pic [05:38] it is not the really big one [05:38] I am keeping that one :-) [05:39] <_MMA_> I have a 4x5 now. [05:42] erm, I take it back that it is an a4, it is an a5 intuos3 [05:43] 34.5cm x 25cm or su [05:43] so [05:44] nysosym: www.flickr.com/photos/kwwii [05:44] there are lots of pictures of my son though ;-) [05:45] I don't post anything there that I sell, so most of the best pics are not on that page [05:45] i see, is see and i like them :) [05:46] <_MMA_> Because I'm crazy, I want this: http://www.wacom.com/intuos/12x19.cfm [05:47] yes, you are crazy :D [05:47] <_MMA_> Ooo.... Cool. http://www.wacom.com/cintiq [05:47] i wanne have the wacom display, these is much better as any externel Tablett :) [05:47] <_MMA_> Though I want something thats 16:10. [05:48] kwwii i love your macro shots! [05:49] Are the majority of the art team US based? [05:49] hmm i*ll say no [05:49] _MMA_: yeah, if your monitor is wide, it is worth every penny to get a wide version [05:50] <_MMA_> hellraiser_rob: I dont know how much of a "team: it really is. Most of the people who hang out here seem to be pretty spread out. [05:50] hellraiser_rob: I would guess that there are more europeans working on artwork than americans at this point [05:50] <_MMA_> kwwii: Yeah. After having the 24" LCD I could never go back to 4:3 [05:50] although I am american I live in germany [05:51] well thats good to know it's diverse [05:51] _MMA_: I found that the most important thing is to have a tablet which is at least as big as your monitor === Ranting_ [i=RantingH@122.164.121.123] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:51] have a good weekend all [05:51] <_MMA_> Bye [05:51] what do you guys use your tablets for? [05:51] bye [05:51] dude, the mailing list got a spam bomb today [05:52] <_MMA_> kwwii: Yeah. Seems a tablet the same size as my LCD would be more than the LCD itself. :) [05:52] troy_s: I use it to draw with...although it is really nice to use in an "inking" kind of way [05:52] _MMA_: lol, you're monitor is too big [05:53] <_MMA_> kwwii: We got hit as well. I just block/rejected the address. [05:53] I'll give you my small tablet and you give me your monitor [05:53] <_MMA_> Pfftt.. No such thing. [05:53] <_MMA_> Well the wife gets the 24 if I get the 30. ;) [05:53] <_MMA_> Though Apple has a 32 now I think. [05:55] <_MMA_> troy_s: You arent using you tablet in Inkscape? [05:59] hehe [06:00] troy_s: my current work for a computer game :) [06:00] http://www.nysosym.de/crazyboy.png [06:00] that's what i do with my wacom :) [06:04] <_MMA_> Thanx to jono for the link to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1WKYmx4i1Q :) [06:06] lol, I think you just turned me on to a new hobby [06:08] <_MMA_> :) [06:09] much better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZN1puUwH0c ^^ [06:09] <_MMA_> lolololol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBiLAy7mDbw === Ranting_ [i=RantingH@122.164.121.123] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [06:14] lol [06:14] this guy has too much free time [06:15] <_MMA_> :) [06:16] <_MMA_> Theres TONS of videos. I didnt look at them all. I stopped with the cantena clip. === kwwii heads to the store [06:32] be back much later [06:34] <_MMA_> Later sir. === artnay [i=artnay@divxfinland.org] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === RantingHuman [i=RantingH@122.164.121.123] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@60-242-104-119.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [07:58] kwwii: if you have a tablet as large as your monitor you can do this ;p http://www.bongofish.co.uk/wacom/wacom_pt1.html [07:59] theres youtube videos of it as well [08:08] i don't find much of an advantage for digital painting, perhaps for inking, or anything in inkscape where zoom is death [08:09] but on another computer i just used a tablet meant for writing chinese, never missed the 9x12... i think its more important to get the touchstrips and control buttons if you need them [08:11] lassegul: pong [08:12] oh, last reason for getting a large tablet would be if you would like to transfer/trace things digitally, rather than scan/shoot and trace as a layer === hellraiser_rob [i=4f4ac997@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-a0f53228209e1721] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Andeh [n=Andy@unaffiliated/implozun] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:54] hai guize :D === Andeh [n=Andy@unaffiliated/implozun] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === nothlit [n=nothlit@fluxbuntu/developer/nothlit] has joined #Ubuntu-Artwork === andreasn [n=andreas@90-227-183-136-no128.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === tonic-pushcart [n=tonic@203-114-182-35.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Gadren [n=Gadren@dhcp-202-190.housing.utah.edu] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:49] hi, i heard that the Ubuntu colors are moving away from brown and more toward orange and black -- is that true? === BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Skiessi [n=qwe@dsl-roibrasgw1-ff90c100-219.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === andreasn [n=andreas@90-227-183-136-no128.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nothlit [n=nothlit@fluxbuntu/developer/nothlit] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Gadren [n=Gadren@dhcp-202-190.housing.utah.edu] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === troy_s [n=troy_s@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === joejaxx [i=joejaxx@fluxbuntu/founder/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nothlit`alpha [i=nothlit@alpha.joejaxx.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === artnay [i=artnay@divxfinland.org] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === elkbuntu [n=melissa@210.1.205.82] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === lassegul [n=lasse@89.10.30.235] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Samuli^ [n=samuli@cable-roi-fffedd00-154.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@60-242-104-119.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === KidProQuo_away [n=Kidproqu@125-237-210-14.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:24] Gadren: that seems to be what sabdfl prefers, if you want to know about the official direction you'll have to wait for the official page to get populated [12:25] nothlit: oh, ok -- is sabdfl a person? [12:26] !sabdfl [12:26] Mark "sabdfl" Shuttleworth is our favourite cosmonaut, the founder of Canonical and the primary driver behind Ubuntu. You can find pieces of his thinking at http://www.markshuttleworth.com [12:26] oh :P