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PriceChildpopey, uuuuu I don't know.... we'll have to see...01:04
PriceChildIf I do the Qs for sabdfl again then maybe...01:04
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themolerhi all02:08
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rick_hgo jcastro04:25
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MootBotMeeting started at 15:28. The chair is dholbach.04:28
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dholbachWelcome everybody to the MOTU Q&A session - how are you all doing?04:28
dholbachI think we should start with a round of introductions04:28
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dholbachI'm Daniel Holbach, MOTU for quite a while now - at the moment I'm working on improving MOTU and packaging documentation, if you have any questions at all - feel free to ping me and ask me :-)04:29
dholbachwho else do we have here today? :)04:29
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rick_hRick, michigan lug leader, and hosting a packaging jam for the MI area...so here to learn some more04:30
dholbachrick_h: excellent - great to have you here04:31
sommerI'm Adam Sommer and I've recently started helping out with the Server team.  Mostly testing and documentation.04:31
dholbachsommer: Rock On - I'm sure the server team's very happy with you04:31
dholbachok - keep the introductions coming, it's great to know who's here and to get to know each other...04:32
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persiaI'm Emmet Hikory, MOTU for a while, and Contributor for some time before that.  I tend to focus on .desktop files and stacktrace decoding.04:32
dholbachin the meantime let me start off with a few words about MOTU04:32
dholbachIt's becoming easier and easier to become a MOTU - the process for that is on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers04:32
huatsChristophe Sauthier, I've been doing many littles things (bug solving, packaging...), mainly thanks to norsetto  and dholbach  who help me a lot... and I am a MOTU Hopeful :-) one day :-)04:32
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dholbachbasically you contribute to Ubuntu through sponsors (I'll talk about that in a bit) and after your sponsors are happy with you, you can ask the MOTU Council to approve your request to join the team04:33
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dholbachsponsoring means: you upload a package or a patch to either Launchpad or another webpage, somebody (who's an Ubuntu developer already) reviews it, builds a source package from it, signs it with their gpg key and uploads it04:34
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dholbachand that's all there is to it :-)04:34
dholbachdoes anybody have questions about that process?04:34
dholbachyou can all read about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess04:35
dholbach[LINK]  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess04:35
MootBotLINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess04:35
dholbach[LINK]  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers04:35
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dholbachok great04:36
dholbachwho of you is already involved with those processes and the MOTU team?04:36
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Hobbseecan i become a MOTU?04:37
rick_hyea, toss me in the "not yet" club04:37
huatsI've been a more and more lately :-)04:38
Hobbseeoh wait.  core dev...motu....i probably do fit04:38
dholbachHobbsee is joking - she's one of the backbones of MOTU :)04:38
gnomefreakHobbsee: you can have my motu membership until i stop being scared and go for it ;)04:38
dholbachgnomefreak: why are you scared? :)04:38
Hobbseedholbach: because he heard about the bodies in my cellar, from failed MOTU applicants.04:39
Hobbseeahem!  i wasnt supposed to say that!04:39
dholbachit's really not that bad :-)04:39
gnomefreakit says you need to package for 2 cycle releases and ive only done gutsy and im not sure if it fit the requirments04:39
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dholbachgnomefreak: I think I removed that from the documentation as we had lots of contributors who contributed less long04:40
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gnomefreakoh ok i saw it 2-3 days ago04:40
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asisakdholbach: me04:40
dholbachwhat I like about the process is that you just have to demonstrate that you're willing to learn and that you're a good team player and follow the processes04:40
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sourcercitoHi, Basilio Kublik here, Ubuntu user for about 2 or 3 months, i'm currently helping by doing QA at LP, and looking for new ways to contribute, not in the precess yet, just came late to the introductions :-D04:40
persiagnomefreak: Don't let that scare you.  Depending on interest, some people move more quickly (a couple months) and some more slowly (I took about 2 years).  It's really about you becoming familiar with the processes, and feeling comfortable with your work.04:41
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gnomefreakHobbsee: give me a minute and ill give link if i find it04:41
dholbachsourcercito: excellent04:41
huatsgnomefreak: I don't remember well where, but I also have seen the 2 cycles things04:41
Hobbseegnomefreak: it's basically "if you seem to know what you're doing, submit constantly correct debdiffs (or mostly, at least), follow processes and dont do stupid things, you're probably fine"04:41
dholbachit's important that you ask if you don't understand something, that people know they can trust you and that you're easy to work with04:41
Hobbseeand what dholbach said04:42
persiahuats: It was in the MOTU/Contributing wiki page until last week.04:42
dholbachhuats, gnomefreak: I removed it from one occasion in the last days04:42
gnomefreakah ok04:42
dholbachwe have a bunch of easy  bugs that you can probably start working on quickly04:43
dholbachthey are all linked from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO04:43
dholbach[LINK]  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO04:43
MootBotLINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO04:43
dholbach[LINK]  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs04:43
MootBotLINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs04:43
dholbachsome bugs are tagged as 'bitesize' meaning as much as "this might be easy to solve"04:44
dholbachsome are tagged as 'packaging' meaning that the bug lies in the packaging04:44
dholbachwe're already late to get fixes into gutsy, but this is a perfect time to get prepared for hardy by playing with bugs and tools a bit04:44
dholbachalso I recommend http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes04:45
Hobbseedholbach: oh, so this is *might* be easy to solve, rather than *guarenteed is* easy to solve?04:45
dholbach[LINK]  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes04:45
MootBotLINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes04:45
dholbachHobbsee: yes, of course04:45
Hobbseeexcellent, i can start tagging more bitesize bugs!04:45
dholbachbut you can always ask on #ubuntu-motu04:45
dholbachor on ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com or ubuntu-motu-mentors@lists.ubuntu.com04:45
dholbachdo we have any questions? :-)04:46
sommerso say I attach a diff to a bug, the next step is to get it sponsored?04:46
dholbachsommer: exactly04:46
rick_hsure, I've started going through the packaging guide and whenever I tell someone "I've created a chroot and now dpkg-buildsource" I get back "oh, you should be using dpackage" or "it should just be 2 commands"04:47
dholbachif the package is in main/restricted, you subscribe a team called ubuntu-main-sponsors04:47
dholbachelse you subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors04:47
rick_ham I going about this the wrong/non-standard method or should I be using some other "getting started" guide?04:47
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persiasommer: As an alternative, you can also look at the package, and try to fix more than one bug at once (although this isn't always as easy)04:47
rick_hHobbsee: sorry, going from memory04:47
dholbachthe bugs of those teams show up on http://daniel.holba.ch/sponsoring - and we're getting better and better at reviewing them quickly04:47
Hobbseerick_h: a lot of it is aliases for each other.  (and you wanted dpkg-buildpackage)04:47
rick_hwhatever the first step in the packaging guide is after create the files04:47
Hobbseerick_h: like, debuild is actually an alias of dpkg-buildpackage, afaik, and the options are the same.04:48
dholbach(debuild logs for you and makes use of fakeroot)04:48
rick_hok, but the chroot setup is still the "proper" way and such?04:48
dholbachthat depends04:48
dholbachfor example develop for gutsy but still run feisty04:48
dholbachin that case it's favorable to have a chroot and use that04:48
Hobbseerick_h: chroot, pbuilder, or sbuild, yes.  but remember, a chroot will save any changes you make to it, whereas a pbuilder wont.04:49
persiaI'd say there is no "proper" way to build packages.  chroot, pbuilder, and sbuild all have advocates.04:49
dholbachso you can test that it builds and installs properly in the release target you want to get it uploaded to04:49
Hobbseerick_h: (pbuilder just makes a chroot, then deletes it after building, or whatever you tell it to)04:49
Hobbseerick_h: if that helps04:49
rick_hok, but as someone new starting to read from page 1...what page 1 is my starting point?04:49
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Hobbseepersia: yeah, but i dont know about them :)04:49
sommerpersia: if I takle more than one bug for a package would I then attach the diff file to both bugs or just one?04:49
dholbachrick_h: we're in a transition period - I hope it's going to be just http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment soon04:50
Hobbseesommer: just one is fine, assuming you've got both listed in the changelog04:50
sommergotcha thanks04:50
rick_hdholbach: ok, I'm going through the packaging guide so I'll just keep chugging for now04:50
dholbachsommer: what Hobbsee says, as long as you add a (LP: #123456) and (LP: #123457) in the changelog :)04:50
norsettosommer: and used the (LP: #xxxxx) tag04:50
rick_hI just got a bunch of "you're doing it the hard way" flak from people04:50
persiasommer: When I was a contributor, I usually picked the most critical bug, and put the debdiff there, with a note that it fixed the other bugs, and notes in those bugs that the fix was there.  The other option (probably cleaner) is to make a new bug for your patch, and put a comment in the other bugs that the patch is in the new bug.04:50
dholbachrick_h: the packaging guide is not on the wiki yet, but I assume you get it from help.ubuntu.com for now04:50
dholbachrick_h: oh really?04:51
Hobbseerick_h: it's not a bad idea doing it the hard way, then writing scripts after you understand it.  *shrug*04:51
rick_hyea, I actually got the pdf version for now04:51
Hobbseerick_h: helps you understand a bit better how it all fits in04:51
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dholbachrick_h: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes has a few howtos that concentrates on hands-on-use of tools, maybe that helps04:51
rick_hok, well the hope is to learn and then I have a former MOTU to help with a jam for people in Nov04:51
geserpersia: I manage a gutsy chroot which I use for preparing packages with schroot04:51
rick_hok, thanks04:52
Hobbseerick_h: with the "what should i build with" question, the only *wrong* answers are "on your own system, which you mess with all the time", or "in the wrong release"04:52
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huatsrick_h: you can trust dholbach : the Recipes do help a lot at the beginning...04:52
persiageser: I also04:52
Hobbseerick_h: and a lot of people do the former.04:52
dholbachrick_h: so anything you looked at packaging-wise already?04:53
dholbachgnomefreak: or you?04:53
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rick_hdholbach: I'm just up to page 25 of the guide04:54
rick_hI created a debmirror last night to help with the chroot building04:54
rick_hlocally that is04:54
rick_hso the plan is to get through the guide, then the jam I'm hosting is going to repackage gftp as a learning04:55
rick_hthen go from there04:55
rick_hmy goals are to be able to create packages of php/python apps (things i tend to run into that I wish had more up to date packages)04:55
dholbachrick_h: great - let me know once you get notes or plans for your jam session together04:55
rick_hsure thing04:56
dholbachI'm curious to know what you demo there :-)04:56
dholbachgnomefreak: I believe you have done some packaging in the mozilla team?04:56
rick_hthe flyer is: http://mitechie.com/uploads/package_jam.pdf04:56
Hobbseegnomefreak: oh, shudder.  i didnt realise you actually did mozilla packaging.04:56
rick_hAaron Lake is in the area and volunteer to help get some materials together04:57
rick_h(I guess he was MOTU with breezy)04:57
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Hobbseealthough that wasnt you04:57
dholbachrick_h: nice... tell Aaron to re-join the MOTU team! :-)04:57
gnomefreakdholbach: yes04:57
gnomefreakdholbach: i am pretty much maintainer for iceape04:58
rick_hdholbach: he says he's been wanting to get involved some more so we're starting to prod him04:58
dholbachrick_h: way to go! :-)04:59
gnomefreakHobbsee: mozilla isnt fun but i learned more from mozilla than any other packaging like flash java and freinds04:59
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bintutgtg.. good luck!  =)04:59
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dholbachok... any packaging questions in here?05:00
dholbachhuats: you had some last time - are you OK atm? :)05:00
huatsdholbach: Everythiing rock :-)05:01
dholbachok great :)05:02
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tjagodaWe Michiganders have aspirations of contribution, it would seem.05:03
dholbachthat's great - you should write up your experiences from it or share your notes05:03
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dholbachok, one category of bugs we always fix before a release is unmetdeps bugs05:04
dholbachwhich means packages that are not installable because their depends can not be satisfied05:04
rick_hdholbach: one question on the packaging guide, my buildpackage command files due to missing gpg key05:04
dholbachone example is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-gnome2/+bug/14554305:04
tjagodaEspecially considering the fact that I'm a completely unexperiences user whose yet to learn c or c++.05:04
rick_hbut there's nothing on setting that up int he manual05:05
dholbachrick_h: hang on, I'll find you the webpage05:05
rick_hat least up to the point of building the hello source05:05
Hobbseetjagoda: i've used my c++ knowledge (or lack of it) exactly once in ubuntu.05:05
Hobbseetjagoda: so, i dont think hte "i cant program" excuse has any validity :)05:05
rick_hthanks, now should I setup a dup for the chroot or just use the same one I would normally run with?05:05
Hobbseetjagoda: of course, it's helpful if you do, but there are things you can learn on the fly - and they're not C++ and such05:06
dholbachI don't think there's a need to do duplicate it05:06
dholbachmore important than being an ace when it comes to C++, is that you're motivated and good at detective work05:06
dholbachsometimes the upstream developers have a fix for the problem already05:07
dholbachor another distribution has it already05:07
dholbachas long as you're willing to learn, willing to talk to people there's no reason for "I'm not good at C++ yet" blocking your MOTU membership :)05:07
rick_hpackage python apps :-)05:07
persiaAlso, it's much more useful to be able to read code than to write it.  If you can find the issue, and describe the problem clearly, upstream is often happy to generate the patch.05:07
dholbachhehe :)05:08
dholbachwould anybody of you know how to fix  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-gnome2/+bug/145543 ?05:08
dholbachor at least what to make of it?05:08
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tjagodaSo I could get away with a small knowledge of Linux and no programming experience?05:09
sommerwouldn't you need to add a something in the control file about the deps?05:09
persiatjagoda: The first would probably go away after working on a few bugs, but the second is certainly no obstacle.05:09
rick_hdholbach: so is that a bug for beating on the doors of matainers for libtotem and epiphany?05:09
dholbachrick_h: no :)05:10
dholbachsommer: sounds good05:10
rick_hoh, ok then05:10
persiasommer: Yes.  Exactly.05:10
dholbachlet's all download the source for meta-gnome205:10
dholbachapt-get source meta-gnome205:10
Hundingshouldn't you use "aptitude" rather than "apt-get"? :)05:11
dholbachif you all look at the debian/control.in file (as sommer rightly pointed out)05:11
dholbachHunding: your choice :)05:11
gnomefreakproblem is why would meta-gnome2 depend on -dbg packages? shouldnt they be recommend/suggestion?05:11
dholbachgnome-dbg is a meta package that you install if you should need it05:11
dholbachit's mostly intended for developers :-)05:11
persiagnomefreak: The source is meta-gnome2, but the binary package listed in the first comment is gnome-dbg, for which debug packages are expected dependencies.05:12
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sommerquick question, why is there a control and control.in file?05:12
gnomefreakah grabbing source would have helped first ;)05:12
dholbachsommer: that's a special case (debian gnome packages make use of debian/control.in) - the Uploaders: field is generated on the fly05:12
dholbachit has no practical use for ubuntu and is a special case05:13
sommerah I see05:13
dholbachso if we look at the file we will see that it contains a couple of stanzas05:13
dholbachthe first is about the source package, the others about the so-called binary packages05:13
dholbachbinary packages is what you install, source package is what you edit, build and upload to the ubuntu build daemons05:13
dholbachalso it contains information about which packages the binaries depend on, in the case of the source package what is needed to build the package05:14
dholbachdoes that make sense and is obvious to everybody?05:14
dholbachok, I hope that no questions means 'OK' :-)05:15
sommerso binary packages will only depend on other binary packages?  and source packages depend on other source packages?05:16
dholbachsommer: build-depends in the case of source packages, but yeah essentially correct05:16
sommercool I think I'm clear on deps now.05:16
dholbachlet's look at the           Package: gnome-dbg             line (line 256)05:16
dholbachbecause that's what geser rightly found out about the bug already: that's where the problem is05:17
dholbachanother thing that geser demonstrates in the bug: it's very important that you share all your knowledge - if you find out anything and don't see a solution to move on, just add it to the bug report05:17
dholbachit will somebody else's life easier05:18
dholbachso looking at gnome-dbg, it depends on a whole lot of other packages05:18
dholbachlibtotem-plparser1-dbg and epiphany-browser-dbg included05:18
dholbachwhich are not part of gutsy05:18
dholbachwhat do we do?05:18
dholbachhow can we check if we need to update them to a different package name or something?05:19
sommersync from debian?05:20
dholbachwe could do that, but we'd have to check the complete package of debian first and see if it fixes our problem05:20
dholbachhow would we fix it just for ubuntu gutsy?05:20
dholbachI'd check which totem and epiphany-browser packages are effectively available in gutsy and see if we find a replacement for the current gnome-dbg deps05:21
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dholbachdaniel@lovegood:~$ apt-cache showsrc totem | head -n205:21
dholbachPackage: totem05:21
dholbachBinary: totem-mozilla, libtotem-plparser-dev, totem-xine, totem-gstreamer, libtotem-plparser7, totem05:21
=== persia notes that doing the investigation of the debian package would generally be preferable, if this weren't a time-limited Q&A session
dholbachas we can see, Ubuntu Gutsy does not offer any -dbg packages any more05:22
dholbachso it looks safe to drop the dependency05:22
dholbachlet's take a look at epiphany-browers05:22
dholbachdaniel@lovegood:~$ apt-cache showsrc epiphany-browser | head -n205:23
dholbachPackage: epiphany-browser05:23
dholbachBinary: epiphany-browser, epiphany-browser-dev05:23
dholbachsame... so we can safely remove those two for now05:23
dholbachnow we add a changelog entry to debian/changelog and try to build the package05:24
dholbach(you need to install  devscripts  if you haven't already, so we can use   dch  for that)05:24
dholbachthen you run   dch -i05:25
dholbachand add a changelog entry like      "  * debian/control.in: removed libtotem-plparser1-dbg and epiphany-browser-dbg dependencies, they are not in gutsy anymore."   to it05:25
dholbachdoes that work for everybody?05:25
sommerI'm with ya05:26
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dholbachto build it, we need a few tools and the build-dependencies for meta-gnome205:26
dholbachsudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; sudo apt-get build-dep meta-gnome2        will hopefully suffice05:26
blueyedAdd a LP: #xxx reference to the changelog, too.05:26
dholbachblueyed: excellent point!05:27
dholbach(LP: #145543)       in this case05:27
blueyedSo the bug gets automatically closed as fixed released.05:27
dholbach... with the package upload.05:27
dholbachright-o - let me know once you're all there05:27
dholbachanybody having problems?05:28
dholbachok let's hope we're all doing well :-)05:29
dholbachnow you run     debuild05:29
blueyednot "debuild -S"?05:29
dholbachwe'll try to build the package and see if that works :)05:30
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=== persia notes that for those using sbuild or pbuilder, breaking this into two steps `debuild -S` and $my_build_tool $package_source.changes is also acceptable.
=== blueyed normally does "pdebuild" (uses pbuilder) for the build test and then debuild -S to create the .dsc/.changes file for use with debdiff.
dholbachso in my case I have a gnome-dbg_2.18.3ubuntu2_all.deb which depends on: Depends: libatk1.0-dbg, libatspi-dbg, libgail-dbg, libglib2.0-0-dbg, gnome-applets-dbg, gnome-panel-dbg | libpanel-applet2-dbg, libgnomevfs2-0-dbg, libgtk2.0-0-dbg, libgnomeui-0-dbg, nautilus-dbg, libpango1.0-0-dbg, evolution-data-server-dbg, evolution-dbg, libgsf-gnome-1-114-dbg, gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-dbg, gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-dbg, gstreamer0.10-plugin05:32
dholbachs-ugly-dbg, libgstreamer0.10-0-dbg, libgtkhtml3.8-dbg, evince-dbg05:32
dholbachno totem, no epiphany05:33
dholbachI just tried to install it with gdebi, works nicely05:33
dholbachnow you can run      debuild -S      (which will build a source package of the new version)05:33
dholbachif you now look at the output of       debdiff meta-gnome2_2.18.3ubuntu1.dsc meta-gnome2_2.18.3ubuntu2.dsc05:34
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dholbachyou will see the source changes we made05:35
dholbachsommer: there you will notice that debian/control.in is generated from debian/control05:35
dholbachand has our changes too05:35
blueyedpersia: so it's safer to use debuild -S and test the build using the .changes file?05:35
dholbachis everybody seeing that?05:35
sommerah... cool05:36
persiablueyed: Yes and No.  Yes, that you won't have issues with a bad clean rule.  No, that you won't discover the bad clean rule (which should be fixed).05:36
dholbachso can somebody run:05:37
blueyedpersia: you won't detect a bad clean rule with pbuilder, would you? Ah.. you've said "debuild". I see.. sorry for confusion.05:37
dholbachdebdiff meta-gnome2_2.18.3ubuntu1.dsc meta-gnome2_2.18.3ubuntu2.dsc > meta-gnome2.debdiff05:37
dholbachand attach the meta-gnome2.debdiff file to the bug report? :)05:38
persiablueyed: No.  You wouldn't detect it.05:38
blueyeddholbach: is there a convention for naming the diff? I would have used meta-gnome2_2.18.3ubuntu2.dsc.diff05:38
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dholbachblueyed: no there isn't really - lots of people do like you do05:38
dholbachsome name it <package>_<version>.debdiff05:38
dholbachif it's attached to the bug with a comment "this makes it work", that's the most important point to it :)05:39
norsettoblueyed: actually you can, by using a pbuilder hook (which is what I do)05:39
persiaWhen sponsoring, I prefer package_version.dsc.diff or package_version.debdiff, as it makes is easier to keep track of different patches to different packages.05:39
dholbachwho came up with a debdiff file? :)05:40
blueyednorsetto: which does some comparison of before/after contents? That's interesting. Is it available somewhere?05:40
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norsettoblueyed: no, I just use it to run debuild -S after the build, and then make the comparison05:41
persiadholbach: It was suggested to me for my first ever patch.  I forget by whom.05:41
norsettoblueyed: I found it by looking at the source of revu-tools05:41
blueyedI would have a debdiff.. :)05:42
dholbachsommer, rick_h: do you have a debdiff too? :)05:42
rick_hsorry, boss chimed in and I had to run away to help him fix his mac problem05:43
rick_hI'm tring to play catchup05:43
sommerdholbach: sorry, someone had a question in RL... yep I've got a debdiff.05:44
dholbachsommer: if you can attach it to the bug report, we can take a look at it together05:44
sommerokay, one sec05:45
blueyednorsetto: can you maybe add it to the PBuilderHowto on the wiki?05:45
norsettoblueyed: sure I could, I suggested that that page is added to the packaging guide actually, it would even be better05:46
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rick_h dholbach, back in the changelog entry do we increment the  meta-gnome2 (1:2.18.3ubuntu1) ?05:49
rick_hor just leave it?05:49
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dholbachrick_h: 1:2.18.3ubuntu2 would be correct05:50
rick_hok, so we don't change it to a .4ubuntu assuming this gets updated05:50
blueyedrick_h: that's what the "-i" in "dch -i" makes.05:50
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sommerdholbach: sorry I was called away again.05:51
norsettoblueyed: its very easy, you just add your hookdir to the pbuilder call, for instance --hookdir /usr/share/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks/05:52
norsettoblueyed: and then you add in your hookdir the script B01debuildtest (or your modified one) from the revu-tools package05:52
persiarick_h: You would only want to change it to -4ubuntu1 if you were merging all the changes from Debian's -4.05:53
rick_hok, I failed debuild due to the missing gpg key so I need to fix that05:55
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rick_his this transcription avail online so I can try to finish once I get that done/05:56
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norsettoblueyed: all the script is doing is saving the .dsc and .diff.gz, running debuild -S, grepping the ^---.*orig*/ string in the diff and saving it, and restores the .dsc and .diff.gz05:56
persiarick_h: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-classroom-current.html is a bit behind (and it will get a date stamp at some point), but it should have the transcript in the next couple hours.05:57
dholbachrick_h: that's fine, you don't need the key05:57
norsettopersia: dholbach has a local log, I usually use that and generate the log in in MOTU wiki05:57
rick_hoh, it told me it failed so I assumed I was stuck for now05:57
dholbachI think MootBot generates one too05:58
dholbachrick_h: you can run debuild on both .dsc files05:58
blueyedrick_h: when signing fails, the build is ok though. (you could use debuild -us -uc to skip signing)05:58
persiarick_h: You can also use `debuild -us -uc` to debuild without a key.05:58
rick_hyea, I knew it was recording somewhere, just not sure whree05:58
persiaMootBot does, and makes it pretty, but I don't know where it stores the results.05:58
rick_hok, thanks05:58
rick_hok, that worked for the build then05:59
blueyedthanks, norsetto. I'll set it up here.05:59
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dholbachanybody able to post the debdiff to the bug?05:59
blueyedrick_h in a minute.. :)06:00
dholbachrock on06:00
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rick_hheh, I'm looking but I think my debdiff is messed up06:03
dholbachcan you upload it somewhere so we can take a look?06:03
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MootBotLINK received:  http://paste.avwsystems.com/paste/4706:04
dholbachrick_h: is that all?06:04
rick_hoh, I see what happened06:04
dholbachrick_h: did you edit debian/control.in and ran    dch -i     before?06:05
rick_hheh, I initially did sudo apt-get source06:05
rick_hand then later removed and started over06:05
rick_hwithout sudo06:05
Hobbseesudo wouldnt make a difference for that - it's only grabbing the source, and sticking it in your current directory, then unpacking it06:05
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rick_hyea, I just had the files all owned by root so I started over real quick.06:06
rick_hI also missed the dch command and did the changelog manually. Much nicer with dch06:07
dholbachOk, let's close the session for today - we've been running for more than 1,5h already06:07
blueyedShould I upload then for now?06:07
rick_hok, so running it debbuild again06:07
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dholbachso please somebody attach the debdiff to the bug, I'm subscribed to it and will review it as soon as I read it in my mails :-)06:08
dholbachthanks everybody for showing up to the session06:08
rick_hthanks for the time06:08
dholbachplease stop by on #ubuntu-motu, ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com or ubuntu-motu-mentors@lists.ubuntu.com06:08
blueyedThank you.06:08
dholbachI'll announce the next session for next friday soon, so hope to see you there again06:09
dholbachhope to see you all as MOTUs soon ;-)06:09
sourcercitorick_h, do you want to upload the debdiff yourself?, i could upload it, if you don't want that is06:09
sourcercitothanks dholbach it has been a great class :-D06:09
dholbachrock on :-)06:10
rick_hjust go ahead and upload please thanks06:10
blueyedI've just uploaded (after doing so to a wrong bug) ;)06:10
sourcercitook, noprob06:10
sourcercitoblueyed, do you want to upload it?06:10
dholbachplease mail me or let me know if you run into any problems06:10
blueyedsourcercito: done, twice ;)06:11
sourcercitoi'm not currently asking for motu sponsorship, so i wont benefit06:11
blueyedMe neither. I wanted to do so in the hardy cycle.. :)06:11
sourcercitoblueyed, i guess, you forget to delete the last "," in the control.in06:12
dholbachsourcercito: soon :)06:12
sourcercitodholbach, yes, i will do it ;)06:12
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dholbachsee you guys around!06:13
MootBotMeeting finished at 17:13.06:13
sourcercitowhen you delete the epiphany-browser-dgb forget to delete the , at the end of evince-dbg06:13
dholbachnorsetto: http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-classroom.20071012_1528.html06:13
dholbachnorsetto: http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-classroom.log.20071012_1528.html06:13
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blueyedsourcercito: does not seem to matter?! but I'll fix it and re-upload.06:14
norsettodholbach: got it.06:14
sourcercitoblueyed, ok, just in case :-D06:15
rick_hok, every time I run debbuild the control file is restored and I don't end up with differences06:15
dholbachbye -> #ubuntu-motu06:15
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sourcercitorick_h, do you alter the control.in file as well?06:15
rick_hsourcercito: no, just the control06:16
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rick_hI thought I read the .in file wasn't something we needed, just gnome06:16
blueyedsourcercito: but I think it's better to keep the diff smaller, isn't it?06:16
sourcercitoedit that file :-D06:16
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rick_hok, thanks06:17
sourcercitosure, but it seems to regenerate the control from the control.in, so i guess there's no harm06:17
sourcercitowell back to work, nice to meet everyone, bye :-D06:18
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blueyedcontrol gets generated from control.in, rick_h.06:19
rick_hok, that explains my trouble, thanks06:19
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sommerah man... missed the end of the class.06:40
sommerthanks everyone if you're still in here, I appreciate your help.06:40
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blueyedrick_h: your "jam" is a really great idea! You may want to s/fiesty/feisty/ in the pdf.06:49
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blueyedbtw: if someone is looking for similar bugs (unmetdeps): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=unmetdeps06:50
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rick_hblueyed: thanks for the spelling correction, I always mess that up06:53
blueyedSeems to be quite common for Feisty.06:53
blueyedsense: ?06:53
rick_hwell, "i before e except after c"06:54
blueyedIs this a rule for english languages?06:54
rick_hbut yea, we have a large LUG here (40-50 attendees a month) and I'd hoped to get 10 good guys to learn to package06:54
rick_hyea, english has the rule "i before e except after C and sounds like a such as neighbor and weigh"06:55
blueyedLUG is also really great. I don't think there's one here where I live (yet).06:55
rick_hah, there are a bunch here. Only a few are > 10 guys and very organized06:56
themolerhi does anybody know if reiser 4 is implemented in GG?06:56
blueyedNo, I don't think so, themoler.06:56
themolersuch a shame ) thx06:57
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blueyedI'm not sure though.06:57
themolerwould be great06:58
gaurav_oh shit06:58
gaurav_people actually talking in here06:58
rick_hthis mirror takes forever. Been going since last night. 29gb and going06:59
gaurav_are you downloading the internet?07:00
rick_hyea, the whole ubuntu feisty/gutsy internet07:00
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