=== jojo4u [n=jo@kons-590e76a6.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amitk [n=amit@a91-154-119-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mertiki [n=zxz@modemcable023.30-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] ... well the release candidate is on cdimage/release.ubuntu now. but no reference on the main page or devel-announce or the wiki. is this intentional? just wondering. gratulations btw, my first test was very positive, no bugs to report ;) === Lure_ [n=lure@89.212.183.108] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] jojo4u: It was announced on ubuntu-announce [12:54] also, what "main page" are you referring to? [12:55] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] that's hardly a main page, that's a page specific to the beta. :) [12:56] http://www.ubuntu.com/ -> the countdown links to it [12:56] ah, so it does [12:57] slangasek: it links to beta. Is there a place on ubuntu.com for rc ? [12:57] mathiaz: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc, referenced from the announce mail === Alpha_Cluster [n=nick@bsu195087.bemidjistate.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] slangasek: may be the countdown link should point to http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc ? [12:58] um, quite [12:58] I just didn't know that link was there until it was pointed out [12:59] I've pinged the webmaster [01:01] thnx, just spottet the "latest news". there are many ways to rome I guess === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === anders__ [n=anders@cpe.atm2-0-7459.0x535a1e86.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj [n=ian@83.228.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SLaPoet [n=william@user-38lm58r.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=flo@APoitiers-153-1-72-62.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === contrast83 [n=mike@adsl-074-236-242-009.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh_ [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-090-033.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MrMazda [n=fmcz@user-142grmk.cable.mindspring.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === xivulon [n=ago@87-194-85-156.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rnorwood [n=rnorwood@adsl-074-167-242-127.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xivulon [n=ago@87-194-85-156.bethere.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-139-108.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asisak [i=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Alpha_Cluster [n=alphaclu@bsu195048.bemidjistate.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:36] doko_: please give me more details :) === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D83B0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tonyyarusso [i=c711e0a4@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:58] I just wanted to offer a thought for consideration after installing the Gutsy RC. I was able to enable desktop effects, which was nifty, but there was no way to configure them. [02:59] Someone in #ubuntu+1 informed me that I needed to install compizconfig-settings-manager. While I understand not having this installed by default, I would propose including a button on the same display screen with the radio buttons for enabling effects for easily installing it, rather than having to ask on IRC. === holycow [n=start@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:00] btw, I installed by upgraded from Feisty, and it was flawless, so that's nice. 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(super-easy to implement; would make things a bit easier, relating to desktop effects) [06:09] tonyyarusso: kind of late for that kind of thing [06:10] Burgundavia: Yes, I know. But as requested, I installed the RC and am finding bugs ;) [06:10] Or at least, I'd consider it a bug. [06:11] Burgundavia: any idea who's in charge of gnome desktop effects related stuff? === mertiki [n=zxz@modemcable023.30-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:11] sebastian, I think [06:12] ok === Jonbo [n=Jonbo123@adsl-068-209-082-227.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SLaPoet [n=william@user-38lm58r.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:24] Burgundavia: aww crud. The thing I wanted to do would require promoting something from universe to main. Definitely too late for that. [06:25] I'll add it to my Hardy wishlist I guess. [06:25] yep, that is likely too late for that [06:25] :( [06:26] Burgundavia: my complaint is that there is no way to configure stuff other than gconf-editor yet. compizconfig-settings-manager looks _really_ nice, so I was hoping there would be an easy way to install it with a button next to the dialog for enabling compiz in the first place, but oh well. [06:27] ahh [06:27] yes, that is definitely hardy stuff [06:27] there were some proposals of how to do that [06:27] tonyyarusso: Do you really think that compizconfig-settings-manager looks *nice*? :) [06:28] RAOF: yeah, it got the job done pretty effectively for me. Why? [06:29] tonyyarusso: It just seems like a horrible hodge-podge of settings to me. You need to crawl around to find anything, it's not obvious where you should find stuff... [06:29] ajmitch: My thought was to put a button on the screen (in the same position as the "Preferences" one appears after installing ccsm) for adding it, which would jump to the package manager stuff. [06:29] The settings themselves aren't obvious... [06:30] RAOF: They're leaps and bounds better than gconf keys, as well as having no settings options whatsoever. [06:30] I mean, it's a large step up from gconf-editor, sure, but it's not actally very nicj :) [06:30] the settings manager used to be absolutely horrible, tabs and scrolling eww [06:30] and scrolling through tabs === cassidy [n=cassidy@c-71-232-14-155.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:31] RAOF: Well, I wouldn't mind if someone wanted to put more UI work into it, but I also wouldn't complain personally as is. [06:33] tonyyarusso, you sound like a happy volunteer! [06:34] frostburn: Hehe. I'd be happy to poke around and give feedback and whatnot, but unfortunately I don't code (yet at least) [06:34] Starting to read diveintopython though. 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[08:55] mdke: ubuntu-dev is not used any more afaik, motu is [08:56] dholbach: would it be a good idea to make that clear on the ubuntu-dev team page? [08:56] it's not used at all? [08:56] I don't think it is [08:57] it should be retired then I guess [08:59] yeah, although it isn't exactly easy to retire a team in LP [08:59] at least a note would be good [08:59] ubuntu-dev is used [08:59] for what? [08:59] it's just not used for people [08:59] ~ubuntu-dev = all Ubuntu developers [09:00] oh ok [09:00] it's ~motu + ~ubuntu-core-dev === MacSlow [n=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:00] LaserJock: in that case, it should be an umbrella team containing only ~motu and ~core-dev, rather than including individuals... [09:00] mdke: that's what it is [09:00] no, it has loads of individuals as direct members too [09:00] <\sh> good morning [09:00] but Mark said that to transition we'd let the existing people expire out [09:01] rather than explicitly deactivating them [09:01] of course it's times like this that makes that confusing ;-) [09:01] expiring out will take until like 2009! [09:01] something like that yeah [09:02] 2 years from the last person [09:02] is it actually used by soyuz? [09:02] not by soyuz [09:02] it's just helpful when we're dealing with Ubuntu developers as a whole [09:03] like if people want to have a bzr branch that everybody can work on [09:03] right. removing the individuals sounds sensible to me [09:04] probably, I guess we weren't thinking it'd cause problems when the decision was made [09:05] I don't know, talk to the boss ;-) [09:06] I'm pretty sure everybody's been moved around so that ~motu == MOTU === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] <\sh> ha...I just found my birthday present...http://scr3.golem.de/?d=0710/Sharp_KarminTV&a=55334&s=2 [09:10] dholbach: anyway, I've updated the text, thanks :) [09:10] LaserJock: thanks for the explanation === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-253-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:14] mdke: thanks === liw [n=liw@a91-154-119-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fnordus [n=dnall@24.84.160.227] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] doko_: can you take a look at bug 151677? [09:28] Launchpad bug 151677 in bash "Support purge in apt-get auto completion" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151677 [09:29] soren: I subscribed you to bug 151650 [09:29] Launchpad bug 151650 in dovecot "dovecot is not restarted when remove dovecot-pop3d or dovecot-imapd" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151650 [09:30] slangasek, bryce: do you know if bug 148231 was the xresprobe upload that got accepted yesterday? [09:30] Launchpad bug 148231 in xresprobe "[gutsy] bad modes in xorg.conf" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148231 [09:32] calc: bug 135086? [09:32] Launchpad bug 135086 in unzip "zipgrep: exit code always 0" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135086 [09:34] dholbach: I'd quite like to do another ubuntu-docs upload, who do I need to talk to about requesting that? [09:35] dholbach: keep cool, just released RC ... ;p [09:36] mdke: slangasek, pitti, Riddell, hobbsee, Mithrandir, cjwatson [09:36] doko: I *am* cool ;-) === sabdfl [i=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] hiya sabdfl [09:36] howdy folks, dholbach === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK waves to sabdfl === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:37] heya seb128 [09:37] hey dholbach [09:38] hello Hobbsee [09:38] hiya mdke, StevenK, dholbach, seb128 and sabdfl [09:39] Hobbsee: I'd quite like to upload a new version of ubuntu-docs to fix a broken link on one of the help pages, bug 144796, it's a pretty straightforward text-only change to the package; is that going to be doable? [09:39] Launchpad bug 144796 in ubuntu-docs ""Glossary of Windows terms" link doesn't work" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144796 [09:39] hey Hobbsee [09:39] Hobbsee: if it sounds possible, I'll put up a debdiff [09:40] howdy Hobbsee [09:41] erk, there's a fire! so much red! [09:41] mdke: looking [09:41] thanks === c1|freaky [i=alpha@team.code-1.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] mdke: should be fine, but you'll have to find someone else to do the actual accepting. sabdfl may be able to shove it thru once you've uploaded it. [09:43] mdke: or various other people that i've learned are useful for this :) [09:43] Hobbsee: no rush from my end, no need to bother him. I'll need someone to do the uploading too :) === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:44] mdke: ah, ok, throw up a debdiff, and i can upload it from here [09:44] ah, then pitti can accept it [09:44] morning pitti! === Hobbsee hugs pitti [09:44] Morning pitti === mdke nods, pitti is the hero [09:44] assuming my internet doenst go bung, of coruse. [09:44] pitti pitti he's our man, if he can't do it slangasek can! [09:44] Good morning [09:45] LaserJock: pitti can always do it. === pitti hugs Hobbsee and mdke [09:45] hey LaserJock === mdke hugs * [09:45] wow, what a warm welcome === LaserJock bows to pitti [09:45] pitti: :) === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] that reminds me, I was going to write a blog post about pitti [09:46] as long as you dont write a blog post about me :P [09:46] LaserJock: eww, don't blame me so publicly :) [09:46] but, if you do, be sure to include a decent name that i can string into my alias. [09:46] heh [09:46] LaserJock: http://dailyrevolution.net/?p=779 BTW :) [09:46] Hobbsee: you still owe me ;-) [09:46] LaserJock: oh do i now? [09:47] pitti: Got a sec to glance at a debdiff for virtualbox-ose-modules? [09:47] Hobbsee: so, what shall I accept? [09:47] StevenK: sure === pitti purges some stuff from unapproved [09:47] pitti: the ubuntu-docs upload, after it actually gets uploaded. [09:47] pitti: tbh, i'm surprise you let me accept stuff at all :) [09:48] pitti: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9945255/virtualbox-ose-modules_3.dsc.diff [09:48] pitti: I didn't write the debdiff, but I want a second opinion [09:48] pitti: haha, that's great === mvo [n=egon@p54A66DFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] pitti: haha, nice [09:49] guten morgen mvo! [09:49] hey mvo [09:50] LaserJock: i can just keep ignoring the request. [09:50] you can run ... but you can't hide from ... LaserMan!!!! [09:50] hey Hobbsee pitti! [09:50] Bah, Canonical isn't based in Montreal [09:51] StevenK: eww, doesn't that mean that the modules will silently break on upgrades, instead of being made obvious with a package conflict? [09:51] pitti: Yes, that's my thought too [09:51] StevenK: ah, you still install them under /lib/modules/, so they won't break [09:51] pitti: Makes it harder to see at a glance "Oh, it's broken due to ABI bump" [09:51] but still, there's a reason we do it for the main kernel and lum [09:52] StevenK: frankly, I'd rather discuss that with the kernel team, but this smells at least inconsistent, if not even bad [09:52] StevenK: well, depmod & friends are fine of course [09:52] pitti: To my mind, the kernel team have signed off on the current approach [09:52] hi pitti === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-238-34-56.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] pitti: And you've voiced concerns as well, so my way stays and Daniel's debdiff gets left out. [09:53] StevenK: when we reduce it to the postinsts, it looks good [09:53] hi :) [09:53] dholbach: yes, 148231 is the xresprobe bug that was fixed [09:54] pitti: I have postinsts already - it calls depmod -A [09:54] slangasek: I'll mark fix released [09:55] pitti: I'm happy to show you a debdiff between 2 and 3 if you want to see it. [09:56] StevenK: ah, good [09:57] Well, 2 doesn't have postinsts, but 3 will === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@18-156.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] Actually, I'm curious if debian/postinst will work for all binary packages. [10:00] dholbach: you might want to mark it as a duplicate of the other bug? === rluberti [n=rluberti@212.45.155.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rluberti [n=rluberti@212.45.155.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] slangasek: which? can you do that? I just wanted to get it off the sponsoring list as it doesn't need sponsoring any more === rluberti [n=rluberti@212.45.155.238] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] Hobbsee: now would not be a good time for me to be shoving anything through ;-) [10:05] best to ask slangasek or other RC-specialists [10:05] sabdfl: depends if you have a member of the release team's permission, no? [10:06] sabdfl: as in, the story is slightly different if a release team member is asking you to do the manual work in accepting an upload, no? [10:06] Hobbsee: you ever heard of advisor knobs? [10:07] *hear [10:07] i'd rather not be trying something i've never done before, 6 days before a release ;-) [10:07] LaserJock: advisor knobs? [10:07] LaserJock: err, ubuntu-dev *is* used by Soyuz; it's the team permitted to upload to universe+multiverse [10:07] sabdfl: ah, i thought you'd done it before :P [10:07] nup [10:08] cjwatson: hmm, perhaps yes. I thought that'd changed, but that would mean that core-devs couldn't upload to Universe [10:08] I suspect sabdfl would have to get a drescher account first [10:08] not that that would be hard by policy, but it would have to happen :) [10:08] oh indeed. === kagou [n=Patrice@78.115.159.195] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] i'm thinking that the policy could easily be bent for the boss, if required :P === Hobbsee thought he had an account regardless, for some reason [10:08] (actually, hmm, the Soyuz UI would be up to letting an LP admin accept changes now as long as they didn't require overrides ...) [10:09] cjwatson: NEAT!!! [10:09] what's this? six days before release? oh dear, I'm going to have to spend the entire weekend if I want to finish my kernel rewrite in Python [10:09] whats the point of an RC if you cant fix bugs? [10:09] Hobbsee: grad students put "advisor knobs" on the instruments, so that when the advisor comes down to the lab they have something to turn [10:09] hah [10:09] LaserJock: ah right, yes. [10:09] Hobbsee: of course the knobs don't go to anything ;-) [10:10] Like a "boss screen" for games [10:10] LaserJock: in sound engineering, we do that by tweaking knobs on an unused channel, or unused aux === ogra1 [n=ogra@p548AE688.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] works a charm [10:10] "Yes, i do know what every knob on this desk does" [10:10] LaserJock, I've heard DJs have that for people who come complaining about too much/little bass/tremble [10:10] liw: unused channel. yep. [10:11] LaserJock: is the knob for the advisor or the student to turn? [10:11] we could let sabdfl move the position of the progress bar back and forwards---then that's only one step away from turning it into a game of pong [10:12] pwnguin: advisor [10:12] so they think they're helping without screwing up the students experiment [10:12] pitti, Hi, i point you a apparmor bug (seems to be) Bug #151190 [10:12] Launchpad bug 151190 in cups-pdf "cups-pdf fails for non-standard home directories" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151190 === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-238-34-56.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:12] if sabdfl has too much free time, I have a few QA things in mind he could spend it on... :) [10:13] dholbach: oh... n/m, that's the only bug and it just wasn't closed properly in the changelog I guess. so yeah, please mark it as fix released [10:13] slangasek: done [10:13] Oh come on debhelper, you really want to install debian/postinst in *both* packages... [10:14] kagou: well, that doesn't sound quite like a bug, much more proves that AA works :) [10:14] pwnguin: large amounts of bikeshedding. duh. [10:15] slangasek: as per our conversations yesterday, and your desired wish not to be impaled, you're going to email u-d/u-m about the impending hard freeze today, i take it? [10:15] well the desktop is /a bit/ dark this time, what colour should it be? [10:15] pitti, you can see like that :) [10:16] Hobbsee: for values of "today" that include "after I actually make it to my bed and catch a few hours of sleep", yes [10:16] mvo: I'm not happy about this ubiquity patch to remove forked implementations of apt progress helper functions at this point in the cycle. Could you please describe exactly what the problems were that weren't fixed in the forks? === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] slangasek: yes, of course :) === Zdra [n=zdra@14.105-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] slangasek: today being any value of friday, in any timezone, that you choose. [10:17] heh [10:17] cjwatson: my idea with the patch was that the mythbuntu folks use it, I don't think it should go into our CDs at this point [10:17] cjwatson: that should read "that only they use it" [10:17] mvo: ok. but if there's a real problem it's fixing, I'm interested in that too - however the patch is demonstrably buggy in at least one respect, since ubiquity's run() implementation expects updateInterface() to return boolean === Hobbsee stabs stupid people [10:18] dholbach: do you want the honours? [10:18] oh, you got it [10:18] Hobbsee: That's a lot of people to stab. === StevenK hides [10:19] you better hide [10:19] StevenK: indeed. but they might stay out of my workplace then though [10:19] Hobbsee: hm? [10:19] theres someone with a knife after you! [10:19] dholbach: nutters_who_decide_to_assign_to_ubuntu_dev++ [10:19] ah right [10:19] pwnguin: there are often people after me. they've not suceeded yet. [10:20] excuse me [10:20] although not with knives, i'll admit. i'm probably nto very good to chop up. [10:20] :) [10:20] StevenK: you better hide, someone with a knife is after you! [10:20] cjwatson: ok, give me some minutes to look at it again in detail === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] cjwatson, evand: we should try to have a hack session about the python-apt inside ubiquity and what can be done to make it easier for you and to remove the workaround that accumulated over time and are either fixed in python-apt or really need to be fixed there :) [10:28] mvo: agreed === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-222-139.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] ogra: what happened to the other gnome-power-manager fix you wanted to upload? === davmor2 [n=davmor2@82-47-39-199.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-27-202.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] Is it still possible to upload bug fixes to universe and get them into gutsy during the weekend? [10:54] Bug 144175 renders Tilda almost unusable. [10:54] Launchpad bug 144175 in tilda "tilda stays like a gray window" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144175 [10:54] asisak: during the weekend yes, but you should get code review [10:54] after the weekend it will get dubious [10:54] What do you mean by code review? [10:55] people read the diff [10:55] Okay, but should I ask that here after I am ready? Or how? === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Gutsy release freeze in effect | Gutsy RC released, please test === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by slangasek at Thu Oct 11 23:35:43 2007 === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-139-108.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:59] seems that on apt-cache search jigdo-lite brings up 2 packages jigdo-lite and jigdo but when you go to install it says package not found. brb trying to get a bug on it [12:00] seb128: btw, since my last reinstall (fresh RC), I get the blue Gnome session splash instead of the brown one; this can't be right? [12:00] pitti: blame the artwork guys, I think they dropped the Ubuntu splash [12:01] ENOKWWII [12:01] pitti: since we don't use splash by default on gutsy [12:01] slomo: ping? [12:01] hm, so why do I get it? [12:01] pitti: that's a new install? no idea [12:01] seb128: with my existing home directory, of course [12:01] seb128: but before the reinstall I had the normal brown splash [12:01] pitti: so that's probably a local gconf config [12:02] Mithrandir: partial reverse DNS delegation works with CNAME/PTR's [12:03] Chipzz: there's no need to tell me how DNS works, I know DNS quite well [12:03] Mithrandir: you can't delegate reverse DNS for a subnet smaller than /24 without CNAME's [12:03] pitti: gconftool-2 --get /apps/gnome-session/options/show_splash_screen ? [12:03] true [12:03] pitti: my internet is dodgey today, sorry for the delay [12:03] Mithrandir: ah sorry in that case L( [12:03] Chipzz: assuming IPv4 and not assuming very evil hacks, true. [12:04] :) [12:04] pitti: likely an user config change [12:04] seb128: thanks, I unset it [12:04] pitti: that's still a bug though, we are breaking existant config by not shipping the image [12:05] pitti: the only changes in arts are things which older versions had in patches and autoconf randomness [12:05] mdke, dholbach: I have a pending OO.o upload which changes the .desktop file Names to the ones in Feisty (e. g. Base -> Database, Impress -> Presentation); that breaks UI, so what's your opinion about it? [12:05] Riddell: ok, accepting then [12:05] pitti: the splash was in feisty-session-splashes [12:05] seb128: right; I don't remember setting it explicitly [12:06] pitti: best to mail mdke about it [12:06] mvo: bug 151905 might fit in with you but im not real sure if anyone wants to take a look feel free [12:06] Launchpad bug 151905 in ubuntu "jigdo - archive mirror error - missing 37 files" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151905 [12:06] pitti: he's at work [12:06] ok [12:06] pitti: I don't know much about it [12:06] pitti: dholbach did that change [12:06] ubuntu-artwork (38) gutsy; urgency=low [12:06] . [12:06] * debian/control: don't depends on feisty-session-splashes, we don't show [12:06] the splash screen any more. [12:07] ah, it's all dholbach's fault :) [12:07] indeed ;) === seb128 hugs dholbach [12:07] maybe we should revert that; it's only 80 kB [12:07] on a call right now [12:07] and fix it propely in hardy [12:08] right === xerakko [n=xerakko@debian/developer/xerakko] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nicke [n=niclasa@dyna227-080.nada.kth.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] mvo: can you please update the status of 120957? it is verification-done, but has New/Invalid tasks [12:16] seb128, /etc/gdm/gdm.conf has SuspendCommand=/usr/sbin/pmi action sleep (here at least) ... that should be SuspendCommand=/usr/sbin/pmi action suspend (else you end up with two standby entries in the gdm menu apparently ) [12:16] pitti: checking [12:17] seb128, gdm fix uploaded btw [12:17] mvo: vmware-kernel-modules is gone from gutsy; do you think I should remove vmware-player, too, since it's uninstallable anyway? [12:17] ogra: "standy"? [12:17] err [12:17] gpm [12:17] seb128, standby [12:17] ogra: right, what do you mean? [12:17] you have 2 suspend menu items? [12:17] pitti: do we sitll have it in the archive? if not, it will get removed in the "remove obsoletes" stage [12:18] seb128, yeah, in the gdm menu [12:18] ogra: weird, the wrong comment should not create an extra item [12:18] mvo: vmware-player source adn binaries are, but they are unisntallable since edgy (since we only had the 2.6.15 modules) [12:18] ogra: the action should just not work [12:19] pitti: we have it so that people can use vmware-player-kernel-modules and build their own? [12:19] seb128, i had a bug report about a missing icon in the menu ... it turns out i have two standby items, one witout icon, it changes if i change to the value "pmi capabilities" returns for me === nags [n=nags@122.167.130.95] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] mvo: ok *shrug* [12:20] which is hibernate and suspend (not sleep) [12:20] mvo: if we had a source package which would build the kernel modules, that would make sens [12:20] e [12:20] ogra: what happens if you change gdm.conf to have suspend correctly? [12:20] the second item goes away [12:21] weird, I've only one item here, will fix it anyway [12:21] i'll do so accordingly in edubuntu-artwork ... [12:21] who cares for xubuntu nowadays ? [12:22] not sure, the xubuntu team seems not really active at the moment [12:22] yeah, i noticed that during RC testing [12:22] pitti: if we don't have one, then shouldn't vmware-player be removed from the archive? [12:23] mvo: that's what I was asking you about :) [12:23] pitti: I always thought that there is one in the archive :) in this case we should get rid of it I think [12:24] pitti: let me check with fabbio (the new 3rd party master) [12:24] thanks [12:24] pitti: thank YOU (and sorry that I'm a bit slow today) [12:25] mvo: understandable after the RC pressure *hug*; thanks === thedonvaughn [n=jayson@unaffiliated/printk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] gnomefreak: your confirmation is hardly a confirmation; you need to install jigdo-file, not jigdo-lite ... but in any case I've duplicated the bug [12:26] seb128: btw, I noticed in a recent upgrade that gdm.conf dropped the -br argument to the X server; is that intentional? [12:26] Chipzz: how recent? [12:26] gnomefreak: I think you misread jigdo-file as jigdo-lite in the apt-cache search output [12:26] lemme check === jamiemcc [n=jamie@82-32-8-26.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] Chipzz: [12:27] $ grep "/usr/bin/X " /etc/gdm/gdm.conf [12:27] command=/usr/bin/X -br -audit 0 [12:27] command=/usr/bin/X -br -audit 0 -terminate [12:27] command=/usr/bin/X -br -audit 0 [12:28] seb128: just did dpkg-deb -x of gdm_2.20.0-0ubuntu3_i386.deb [12:28] StandardXServer=/usr/bin/X [12:30] Chipzz: do you actually see the grid? [12:30] I noticed this when cleaning up *.dpkg-* cruft in /etc [12:30] seb128: no [12:30] "[server-Standard] [12:30] name=Standard server [12:30] command=/usr/bin/X -br -audit 0 [12:30] " [12:30] it should use that [12:30] uhu [12:30] StandardXServer is a fallback [12:30] right [12:31] but shouldn't that use -br too? [12:31] no opinion on that, maybe [12:31] I didn't try if adding arguments to the server name works [12:31] doesn't look important enough to be changed now [12:32] ok, understandable :) [12:32] just wanted to notify you about it ;) [12:32] thanks [12:35] seb128: Would you mind renewing my ubuntu-main-sponsors membership ? [12:37] iwj: I've changed it to not expire now [12:37] not sure why it had an expiration date before [12:38] seb128: Thanks. Why knows. [12:38] doko: I see dict-en-za has ftbfs in autopkgtest (haven't checked the buildd). === GmanAFK is now known as Gman [12:38] doko: Did you want me to deal ? [12:40] iwj: it's still at "needs building" https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dict-en-za/20070206-2 [12:43] doko: Oh, actually, the version numbers are wrong. [12:43] doko: Hmm. That's unfortunate, really. [12:43] doko: Did you set the bug to Fix Released manually ? [12:44] doko: Ie, autopkgtest filed bug 151897 against 20070206-1 but you uploaded -2. I assume that autopkgtest must have decided to test it almost immediately the bug was marked Fix Released and found it still had the old version. [12:44] Launchpad bug 151897 in dict-en-za "autopkgtest gutsy dict-en-za: erroneous package!" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151897 [12:45] pitti, did you reject both edubuntu artwork 0.1.0-53 uploads ? [12:45] ogra: no, I accepted one [12:45] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/edubuntu-artwork doesnt show it [12:45] iwj: closed in the changelog [12:45] doko: Harrmf. [12:45] i'll wait then [12:45] ogra: hm [12:45] iwj: sorry if that confuses autopkgtest ;p [12:46] doko: No, that's the right thing to do. I will file a bug against LP with a task for autopkgtest too for a workaround. [12:46] ogra: ah, it's still in accepted; needs another publisher run [12:46] good [12:47] doko: Can you forward me the Accepted mail for dict-en-za, if you still have it ? [12:47] ogra: at freeze times, we (unfortunately) don't have that "sources goes straight in and builds from accepted" feature :( [12:47] pitti, fine with me, i can ask :) [12:48] iwj: done [12:49] doko: Thanks. [12:49] pitti, there is also a g-p-m upload in the unapproved queue === jojo4u [n=jo@kons-590e7244.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] ogra: how much has this been tested? [12:54] oh, he's not here [12:54] there's not even a bug number in the changelog === norsetto [n=norsetto@host26-2-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] seb128: re. bug 69800 I can confirm that it is just a matter of replacing the tarball with the upstream tarball. Just built and installed a package with that (details in the bug report). [12:59] Launchpad bug 69800 in sensors-applet "Please package original icons from source" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69800 [01:00] I have a suggestion about ubuntu.com. the counter on the right still links to beta instead of the rc. slangasek pinged the webmaster 12 hours ago, perhaps he's absent? and on the rc announcment page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseNotes leads to nowhere (should probably be https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades) [01:05] jojo4u: the webmaster's in the US, it probably just hit his evening and he isn't up yet === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-239.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] no, problem, main reason was to add the wrong link [01:06] jojo4u: good catch on the dead link in the announcement. I've added a redirect to GutsyGibbon/ReleaseNotes. === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] sigh, man-db 2.5.0 turned out to be buggier than I'd hoped === cjwatson suspects a quick 2.5.1 may be in order === Xof [n=mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12]