[12:39] persia, ah, that is a much better guide === wolfger [n=wolfger@c-68-61-59-149.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] hendrixski: If you find yourself with some time, and could update the first, that'd be a great help. [12:41] persia, I just might... :-) [12:42] persia, this is the one I'd really like to update: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html === homanj [n=homanj@24-197-201-200.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] it only talks about dchroots [12:43] hendrixski: I'd recommend targeted updates. If you have alternate language, please suggest it. [12:43] persia, target updates? [12:44] hendrixski: I don't recommend trying to fix the packaging guide in one pass. Rather, pick specific targets to be updated, and change each piece individually. [12:46] oh yeah, totally. That's what I was thinking. I assume the rest of the guide is moderately up to date,,, just there's nothing on it about schroots: like why, how, etc. I've thought about how cool it'd be to submit a new page to it. :-) [12:46] it's one of the pages in the appendix [12:49] Does anyone know of a report that compares package versions in etch and gutsy? I've just found a CVE fixed in etch and open in gutsy, and wondered if there might be more... [12:50] persia: like the rc bugs list? [12:50] but with a full version comparison? [12:50] persia: mdt ? === ajmitch knows that pitti had some CVE comparions [12:51] s/comparions/comparisons/ [12:51] persia: http://utnubu.alioth.debian.org/ are version number comparision. [12:51] +s [12:51] http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ubuntu-cve/unfixed.html [12:51] ajmitch: Well, sorta. Alternately something like multidisttools. The issue with the rc bugs list is that it recommends the newest packages. I should probably investigate those, but was looking for mindless sync requests. [12:52] persia: of course it recommends the newest, since that's what's syncable [12:52] ajmitch: We can't sync from stable? [12:52] We can. [12:53] persia: stable should be much older than what we have [12:53] debian stable has usually been a bit behind ubuntu :) [12:53] imbrandon: pkern: mdt does nicely, but it compares against sid, not etch :). No worries. [12:53] I think it's just not commonly done because most packages are > in gutsy. [12:53] imbrandon: 'should' [12:53] imbrandon: That's my thought. If there's anything on the list, it would be an immediate sync candidate. [12:53] Out of Utnubu view there is no use in Etch diffs. ;) [12:53] imbrandon: the rc bug list should be mostly empty by now, too ;) === Lure_ [n=lure@89.212.183.108] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:53] and mdt you can make it compare etch ( or any debian based archive ) [12:53] for that matter [12:53] not just sid [12:54] pkern: you've seen the rc bugs page we're talking about, I presume? [12:54] imbrandon: Yep. Perhaps I'll install locally, and file a heap of sync requests this weekend. [12:54] ajmitch: Of course not. ;) [12:54] pkern: typical lazy MOTU ;) [12:54] lol [12:55] ajmitch: No, just not following ALL on IRC, heh. [12:55] there may be some overlap with what's useful for utnubu [12:55] pkern: it's ok, it's only been on the wiki for a few months :) [12:55] pkern: The RC buglist appears in TODO, and has been announced at least three times to ubuntu-motu@l.u.c [12:55] ajmitch: :P === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:55] it's a steaming pile of code that I'm cleaning up, too [12:56] persia: I didn't know it's about any RC buglist. [12:56] pkern: it's alright, we have too many scattered pieces of info [12:56] pkern: The RC buglist isn't quite what I sought (I was actually looking for some public etch <-> gutsy mdt), but it's the closest we have. === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wolfger [n=wolfger@c-68-61-59-149.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === hendrixski [n=hendrixs@cpe-74-65-9-198.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] the script for the schroot isn't working for me :-( I get this output: [01:12] p$ ./mk-sbuild-lv.sh storagevg gutsy [01:12] Volume group "storagevg" not found [01:12] and... this is after I re-logged in === hendrixski sighs... why can't this stuff just be easy [01:17] You need to create LVM volume groups and stuff? [01:17] Now that is easy according to some people. I beg to differ but YMMV. === pkern uses cowbuilder. [01:18] very nice of the manual to say so [01:19] well... I gotta meet up with the girlfriend in a little bit... I guess schroot will have to wait for another day [01:21] pkern, apt-cache searching only shows up cowdancer... is that what I'd need to make an LVM? [01:21] ... [01:21] No. === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:24] pkern, wait... lvm is a partition thingy, no? [01:24] I didn't need to do any of this crap for dchroots [01:25] it just took a debootstrap, and ran it so that I could package and compile stuff without cluttering my system [01:26] oh well... another day... === contrast83 [n=mike@adsl-074-236-242-009.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === albert23 [n=albert@86.81.99.204] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@81.202.65.108.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-090-033.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans__ [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-0fb81cd098aacef5] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asisak [i=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] Heya gang [02:39] hey [02:40] Heya Simon80 [02:41] is it ok if I take this opportunity to nag you to fix a bug? I'm not a developer, so this is what I've stopped to === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:41] and lol, btanks, I tried it out this week [02:42] stooped to* [02:43] bddebian: I've been asking in this channel for someone to sync bochsbios from debian to fix Bug #123185, since I can't do it, but it seems straightforward [02:43] Launchpad bug 123185 in bochs "bochsbios too old for Windows XP with qemu" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123185 [02:44] I'm not sure we can get anymore in now that RC is here but I'll check it out [02:44] thanks [02:45] grr, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCandidate [02:45] I was in here earlier, but nobody responded! === mok0 [n=mok@56342cb7.rev.stofanet.dk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:47] Hmm, whole new upstream release, that's no bueno [02:47] -_- [02:48] ScottK: You awake? [02:48] Simon80: Earlier, I suggested you follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-1d28045481b8803d4815989e93edc4206f4848c4 to prep the bug to be ready for review. [02:48] persia: I didn't see that [02:48] sorry [02:48] Ah.. Heya persia [02:48] bddebian: Hey. BTW, there's a target patch out for the CVE. [02:49] persia: There any chance of even getting new upstreams in, this late in the game? [02:49] Oh, there's a CVE for it? [02:50] bddebian: New upstreams are possible, but it'd likely have to be an upstream bugfix release addressing an issue widely seen by Ubuntu users. I've seen a couple NACKs regarding new RCS snapshots, and I suspect motu-uvf will be even more skeptical now that we're RC. [02:50] Aye [02:50] The new version incidentally fixes a CVE, but there's a separated patch, so fixing the CVE shouldn't be an argument for UVFe === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger__ [n=me@N897P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:57] Hmm, is there a way to tell what kind archive a file is? It's not gzip, tar, zip, etc [02:58] by using file [02:58] file [02:58] though it may just say it's data [02:59] Oh, haha, its just a stupid perl script.. [02:59] lol [02:59] 'less' would help there :P [02:59] Aye [02:59] I know that perl can look like compressed binary data, but surely it's not that bad? [02:59] lol [03:00] I pulled the package from a sourceforge project so I was just expecting a binary === bddebian should go to bed [03:00] yep [03:00] Oh yeah, I'm definetly gonna package that one up.. Heh === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch should really reflash his phone [03:01] Your OpenMoko? [03:01] yeah [03:01] I might try out qtopia on it === persia likes qtopia. [03:02] or I could possibly just upgrade to the latest openmoko image & run qtopia from a chroot on the sd card [03:02] ajmitch: Does you phone have enough memory for both? [03:02] (RAM) [03:03] Mem: 126612 58124 68488 0 0 38356 [03:03] -/+ buffers/cache: 19768 106844 [03:03] with the normal openmoko UI running === persia has a sudden desire for an OpenMoko [03:03] wait a couple months, persia [03:04] retail version, wifi [03:04] maybe retail is the wrong word.... user version [03:04] How's the interface? [03:07] ajmitch: you have a neo already? [03:07] chillywilly: sure, why not? [03:07] ajmitch: developers edition? [03:07] I don't actually have a Neo1973, but nobody else is answering, so here's this cool video that I saw a few days ago [03:07] http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/kinetic-scrolling-on-the-neo1973 [03:08] RAOF: 640x480 on small screen, very high dpi :) [03:08] it can be a bit tricky without a stylus [03:09] I'm all for high DPI screens, but how is the *interface* :) [03:09] lol [03:09] ...see the link! crazy scrolling! [03:10] I don't know first hand, but I think there's a lot of churn as far as the software is concerned, lots of potential for change before you will use it [03:10] that's my impression [03:10] That looks pretty cool. [03:12] lol, there's a video with neo's monologue from the end of the matrix on top of a video of the phone [03:12] it's deep XD === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:12] it's not even a video though, it's a picture of it that is slowly zoomed out [03:13] ajmitch, is there a lot of friction and smudgy fingerprinting when you use your fingers on the screen? [03:14] that's what always keeps me using the stylus with my gadgets === ajmitch keeps the screen protector on [03:14] _the_ screen protector? [03:15] I wouldn't really want to use a stylus for my phone. That seems too awkward. [03:15] The plastic that's put on the screen when you first unwrap it, I'm suspecting [03:15] the clear sticky plastic that covers the screen [03:16] im all for good stylus interfaces === ajmitch waits for the rootfs to download [03:16] at some point i need to try ubuntu-mobile on this tablet [03:16] need faster internets [03:16] gnome is not very TabletPC friendly === zul_ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK has Ubuntu Mobile running on the Samsung Q1U in front of him [03:16] heh === pwnguin can play quake wars on his tablet :P [03:17] StevenK: you are just special [03:18] so very special [03:18] are there vidoes of ubuntu mobile in action? [03:19] pwnguin: You could keep Gnome on it, and change the window manager to matchbox [03:21] why would i do that? [03:21] Since matchbox looks to be more suited to tablets. [03:22] ah [03:22] well this tablet pushes 1440x900 === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:23] id just like to see the whole thing before i start cherry picking ;) === pwnguin is intrigued by the hildon interface stuff and would like to see handwriting recognition done === RAOF wants handwriting recognition for maths. [03:24] The Q1U is 1024x600 [03:25] the tecra m7 has a keyboard :P === StevenK pushes the USB keyboard further away from his desk === predius_ [n=predius@190.8.154.185] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:26] UMPC looks great if you want to carry around a laptop as well === persia prefers keyboards. Small is good, but handwriting is annpying. === StevenK hasn't seen any handwriting stuff [03:28] i hate to bring up bug number 1 [03:28] but [03:28] vista has some nice handwriting stuff in TIP === StevenK nods. [03:29] I've seen Vista's handwriting stuff === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bdelacey [n=chatzill@pool-68-163-238-36.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:31] its mostly the same as XP, but they claim to have added training and smarter scratch out delete === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu [n=amachu@122.164.230.144] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@77.195.82.91] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] Hah. Migrated to university IPv6 instead of SixXS and other networking changes fun done. [03:59] exciting === persia seeks a patchmonkey for bug #151806 [03:59] Launchpad bug 151806 in alsaplayer "CVE-2007-5301 buffer overflow in vorbis input plugi" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151806 [04:00] persia: What do you mean by patchmonkey exactly? === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] TheMuso: Someone to grab the patch, make a debdiff, and submit a candidate. I'm happy to sponsor, but I don't have access to Ubuntu right now. [04:01] persia: Ah ok. [04:01] this for gutsy, or previous releases. [04:01] s/./? [04:01] persia: Looks straightforward? [04:02] persia: i.e. would do. [04:02] TheMuso: gutsy is the current target: no need to push CVE vulnerabilities in our new shiny release. Feisty / Edgy / Dapper would be nice, but is less urgent (in my opinion) [04:03] pkern: Huh? [04:03] persia: Yeah [04:03] I'm happy to do it. [04:03] Ok, then do it. :-P [04:03] TheMuso: Thanks. Saves me sponsoring :) [04:06] For gutsy, I assume we just upload as usual, even if its a security fix? [04:06] TheMuso: Yes. [04:06] Ok I'm on it [04:06] TheMuso: For now. I haven't heard that the there's anything beyond casual checking on the queue yet. [04:07] Ok. [04:08] persia: How does one get a patch from the link you provided? [04:09] ah hang on, got it worked out. [04:09] TheMuso: Sorry about that: cut & paste from the Debian bug. [04:09] persia: np [04:09] Theres an option to display the patch, which is a diff. === mdomsch prepares first debdiff === pkern installs Puppet on all server domUs. === Whoopie_ [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:30] persia: Fix uploaded. [04:30] TheMuso: Thank you. As far as I can see, that's the last CVE from the RC bugs list :) [04:31] persia: np === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:52] anyone know much about libpng? [04:53] mdomsch: I haven't seen another ack for the UVFe, so I'll look into uploading the ubuntu2 revision. [04:53] pkern: Pong [04:53] bddebian: Awake and now present. [04:53] Hello everyone. [04:53] ScottK, thanks much [04:53] Heya ScottK [04:54] mdomsch: I haven't actually read the debdiff yet, but I'll look at it. [04:54] bddebian: See my debian/changelog entry for checkgmail? [04:55] You sir, are an ass ;-) [04:55] bddebian: Thank you for that. That's the kind of encouragement I need. [04:56] :) === amachu [n=amachu@122.164.243.150] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu_ [n=amachu@122.164.227.134] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:03] ScottK: best changelog entry ever [05:04] ajmitch: Thanks. === pkern would rather go sleeping. [05:05] 5AM and most of the pending admin work done. ;o) [05:05] so is checkgmail better than gmail-notify? [05:05] pkern: Can you give me an IP address to ping that firehol would have formally dropped, but now wont? [05:05] pwnguin: No idea. [05:06] pwnguin: What I know is that Automatix will stop shipping a .desktop for checkgmail because the official version has one now (and it's actually a valid one, unlike theirs). [05:06] heh [05:07] mdomsch: You've tested this and it works right? [05:07] i wonder if that'll break upgrades [05:07] "zomg, overwriting file not owned by checkgmail!" [05:07] ScottK, I tested the code yes, not the actual new packaging thereof [05:07] one sec [05:07] ScottK: ka.philkern.de [05:07] pwnguin: If someone has installed Automatix, whatever upgrade breakage they have is not my problem. [05:08] mdomsch: OK. I'm more worried about the code. The patch applied, so the packaging I can look at and odds are tell. [05:08] pkern: Thanks [05:09] ScottK: i think its a perfect example of why automatix is bad for users. fixing the package by default should be the goal [05:09] ScottK, yes, it's working as expected === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:09] mdomsch: Thanks for the confirmation. I'm building the package now. Assuming it builds/installs/uninstalls, I'll upload it. [05:09] danke [05:10] mdomsch: ELANG ;) [05:10] gn8 everyone. [05:10] pwnguin: I also looked and no one ever filed a bug to ask for a .desktop for checkgmail, so it's not like we were non-responsive. [05:11] mdomsch: Did you see how I updated your bug in LP? If it's just in the Dell project, most devs will never see it. [05:12] ahh, added distribution/package [05:13] got it, thanks [05:13] Yes. Added the distribution that you're actually trying to fix ;-) [05:13] No problem [05:13] normally one of my teammates handles LP for me, I don't know the finer points yet [05:14] Well one of the things we do here is help people learn about Ubuntu stuff, so no trouble. === No1Viking [n=No1Vikin@83.140.104.41.dyn.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:14] If you want to drop a couple of kernel patches to fix my Latitude L400 on Gutsy, it'd be a nice way to say thank you ... [05:15] D400 ? [05:15] L400 (It's old) [05:15] was it tiny? [05:16] I may have seen one once [05:16] Yes. I love the form factor even if it's slow. [05:16] Bug #127772 Bug 127773 [05:16] Launchpad bug 127772 in linux-source-2.6.22 "CPU fan no longer runs after upgrade to Gutsy" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127772 [05:16] Launchpad bug 127773 in hal "A/C Status, CPU Temp, and Battery no longer recognized as present after upgrade to Gutsy in Dell Latitude L400" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127773 [05:17] But those to kernel regressions mean it'll never run Gutsy for anything other than development. === astro76_ [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] Damn, why aren't there any good RPG games for linux? [05:20] ScottK, your bios is several revisions out of date; A03 -> A09 === RAOF would mention NWN, but you added the "good" qualifier :P [05:20] mdomsch: I'll look into that. Thanks. === mdomsch plugs firmware-tools, which someone is debianizing I'm told [05:21] SCOURGE? === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:21] also, rpgs are boring :P [05:21] NWN r0x j00 [05:21] boo [05:22] As do KoToR, Oblivion [05:22] I love leaving off ;done in a Makefile, or ;;, or esac...at the dead end of a Makefile, and the build gets all the way to the end...and BOOM! errors out :) [05:22] heh [05:22] mdomsch: Uploaded. A couple of comments: [05:22] bddebian: I'll aggree with you about KoToR, certainly :) [05:22] mdomsch: Have a look at how I adjusted your debian/changelog entry. [05:23] mdomsch: Normally we'd have wanted you to put changes outside the Debian dir in a patch and use a patching system. Since I know you've got a new upstream and we won't have to maintain the patch, I didn't worry about it this time. [05:24] a patching system meaning apply the patch in debian/rules ? [05:24] mdomsch: Please update your packaging for your new upstream version to include the new debian/changelog entry for this upload and the gutsy/hardy in the distro and we'll get it uploaded when the Hardy repos open. [05:24] mdomsch: Like dpatch for example. Gimme a sec and I'll give you a link [05:25] bddebian: i can barely think of any good Freeware rpgs, let alone open source linux ones [05:25] ok; where can I find the new package now [05:25] I can look that up np [05:25] unless you count roguelikes, which i assume by the complaint you are not [05:25] mdomsch: Now you'll have to wait for it to get accepted into the archive. [05:25] mdomsch: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources (I knew where to find it...) [05:28] pwnguin: Nah, I'm thinking something built with the cube engine or something :) [05:28] Good night all. [05:28] Gnight ScottK [05:29] bddebian: start writing one [05:30] is saurbraten open enough? [05:31] I think the engine is but existing game data is not [05:31] ajmitch: I would love to if I had nearly the skills to do it [05:33] bddebian: why not port nethack to cube? [05:33] it's ripe for on the fly level generation [05:33] Because I'm clueless when it comes to real development === asisak [i=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] so you made it to MOTU by rote learning? === Kaleo [i=boucault@arkana.iiens.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] packaging != hacking :-) [05:37] MOTU isn't about real development [05:38] its a completely bogus call to make === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.32.143] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:40] hi all, I'm no developer/maintainer but trying to understand how things work. === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:41] for this purpose, I downloaded the source of gedit , sudo apt-get source gedit and it downloaded the same as given at http://pastebin.ca/733844 [05:41] bddebian: If you've a sense of plot, there's heaps of tools out there to provide alternate content. avatars are harder, but most animators can't layout a good story, and are quick to respond to requests for collaboration (gives them game credits for their portfolio). [05:42] shirish: That is OK, it is just letting you know that it is maintained in bzr [05:43] persia: I wouldn't even know where to start :-( [05:43] bddebian: right, I understood that, my issue is the last line, dpkg-source: applying ./gedit_2.20.1-0ubuntu3.diff.gz [05:43] bddebian: How immersive do you seek? Which genre? === persia also wants new games, but lacks a sense of plot [05:43] and sadly, the error message is incorrect english [05:44] bddebian: Am I correct in understanding that it applied the the .diff.gz to the binary gedit.deb or am I way of-course [05:44] bddebian: please help me understand what the last line does , thanx [05:44] shirish: It is applying the changes in .diff.gz to the extracted source [05:44] shirish: it untarred the .orig.tar.gz and applied diff.gz to that [05:44] ah.... ok that's cool === lamont -> bed [05:44] Gnight lamont [05:45] Gnight lamont [05:45] persia: Something along the lines of the old C64 Gold Box games. I am an old (yes OLD :_) ) D&D hack [05:45] bddebian: where would this extracted & applied gedit be now? [05:46] bddebian: I mean in which directory, is there a specific place where the sources go? [05:46] shirish: It should have created the subdirectory for you. dpkg-source: extracting gedit in gedit-2.20.1 [05:47] bddebian: I know but this sub-directory is in /home/username/gedit or somewhere else? === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:47] bddebian: I can't seem to find the gedit sub-directory in /home/username/ [05:47] shirish: Wherever you ran apt-get source in [05:48] bddebian: aha... ok I found it thanx for your time bddebian [05:48] :) [05:48] NP === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.32.143] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:56] persia: http://eisenstern.com :-) [05:57] bddebian: That's generations beyond C64 Gold Box. [05:57] I mean story and such. I happen to like NWN but I didn't want to mention that again with pwnguin around ;-P [05:58] what? [05:58] NWN [05:58] i know [05:59] but wy would i care? [05:59] I'm teasing :-) [05:59] i dont even feel teased, just confused =/ [06:00] bddebian: Ah. Plot-wise, most engines are pretty flexible (athough some are more open-ended than others). For sauerbraten, check out http://sauerbraten.org/docs/editing.html for initial map layout and http://quadropolis.us/ to hunt up someone who likes making things pretty. [06:00] pwnguin: Never mind it obviously wasn't funny :-) === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:01] i mean, i dont really like nwn type games, but i dont think that was obvious from what ive said [06:01] level design in cube / sauerbraten seemed pretty easy [06:01] point and shoot === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:04] bddebian: For ideas as to how to structure your plot skeleton for an open-ended engine, I suggest you look at the "mission bits" management used in plugins for Escape Velocity (the original game: works in basilisk II) - some of the discussions for that made more sense to me than most other descriptions of how to manage plot progressions. [06:05] persia: Well, the nice thing about NWN is the user created content. If you can make the rules and engine generic enough the community creates the content, so it's really more about a toolset than a game. Though a pure game would be cool too. === calc [n=ccheney@209.169.79.230] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:06] bddebian: I believe separation of content and engine is a good thing. There are too man half-finished engines that make the same mistakes already solved elsewhere (most have a sample game or two to make them worthwhile). [06:07] bddebian: If you have the toolset, it's just a matter of licensing. Most game content developers aren't overly concerned about licensing, but those that are usually claim copyright, and only provide a license to play. [06:08] (perhaps more CC-BY-SA adoption in the gaming community would help with this: reduced "you stole it", and increased "you can distribute it" [06:08] ) [06:09] persia: note the recent warsaw debacle [06:09] warsow, perhaps [06:12] pwnguin: I'm not finding such a debacle in my mail archives. Something about warsow and battleye, but the internals aren't known to me. [06:14] miriam ruiz had a blog entry that seemed pretty coherent [06:15] http://www.miriamruiz.es/weblog/?p=110 [06:16] pwnguin: Ah. That. Exactly. [06:17] bddebian: Do you know who's in charge of the desktop effects stuff in Gutsy? (gnome) [06:22] tonyyarusso: I think the denizens of #ubuntu-desktop are responsible, in at least an oversight role. [06:23] persia: good point [06:24] persia: apparently the mapper felt that he could use copyright to direct developers away from rendering techniques. not sure which he's referring to [06:25] pwnguin: It's not really important. Actual licenses fo files are good. Not having them is bad, and may result in all sorts of things: generally unhappily. [06:25] s/fo/for/ [06:28] i dont think the problem is license [06:29] "unmodified Redistribution is allowed (c) 2007 all rights reserved" is a license [06:30] which is basically what they have === cassidy [n=cassidy@c-71-232-14-155.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:31] pwnguin: That's a good license (as long as it belongs to the project). Note the 2007. The previous issue was that it wasn't codified anywhere, so individual files were (c) their authors, rather than (c) the warsow team (as a corporate entity) (and no, I don't mean that in any sense related to national business entity laws) === perher [n=per@c-51f872d5.1316-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === homanj_ [n=homanj@24-197-201-200.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:55] i suppose i forgot to say (C) acid 2007 [06:56] pwnguin: Perhaps. I also forgot to say that "unmodified redistribution is allowed" conflicts with "all rights reserved", and that it should really be "all other rights reserved" (but that as this is default by statute, it's pointless to include in any case) === bryce_ [n=bryce@65.173.129.130] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:58] Ah well, gnight folks === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-27-202.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.244.91] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:17] pkern: if we need changes to the rdf, lp is likely to help us here in a timely fashion [07:17] pkern: eg. I requested the key id to be exported. They exported the complete fingerprint in a few weeks (if not faster) === zachy [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu [n=amachu@122.164.227.134] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia wonders if comment deletion from the rcbugs list is broken === khermans__ [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-bf3fe3d348dd64e4] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK blinks [08:02] make: ./configure: Command not found [08:03] Yay self-modifying build system? === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@18-156.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:04] autogen.sh? [08:09] autoreconf --install? [08:09] Still, I'm not quite sure why *make* is invoking configure. [08:10] RAOF: make -f debian/rules [08:10] Heh. [08:10] Right, yes. rules is a makefile :) [08:10] Alternately, debian rules:1 -> #!/usr/bin/make -f === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-motu === brylie [n=brylie@201.128.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-27-202.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === frostburn [n=archlich@cpe-74-74-219-225.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gasten [n=Gasten@h14n5c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F70CB3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:54] Hey MOTUs! [08:54] win 20 [08:54] good morning [08:56] Hey asisak, lifeless, dholbach! === RAOF rocks out to the moonrock mambo === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:05] <\sh> moins === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:10] heya RAOF [09:10] Morgen \sh === elmargol [n=elmargol@host3-61-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-253-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TLE [n=kenneth@s021749.fysik.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xstasi [n=xstasi@85-18-14-24.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@18-156.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra1 [n=ogra@p548AE688.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === huats [n=huats@194.98.120.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:11] morning all === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:13] hi all === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === oracle2025 [n=oracle@85-127-189-186.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-222-139.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zachy [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:47] dholbach: you said yesterday I should make a quick fix for tilda and ask the archive admins. Do you think it will still be possible during the weekend? === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-27-202.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:48] asisak: best to ask in #ubuntu-devel - a bunch of RMs are up atm [10:48] hey thekorn [10:48] hey dholbach === apachelogger_ [n=me@N947P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-motu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ - TOP 10 Uploaders/Packages | New Packages Freeze / Upstream Version Freeze in effect - The rest of universe is NOT frozen === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Hobbsee at Sat Oct 6 08:27:58 2007 === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nicke [n=niclasa@dyna227-080.nada.kth.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:13] hi Seveas, could you please add my ubuntu/member cloak? my LP profile is https://launchpad.net/~bugman === mok0 [n=mok@56342cb7.rev.stofanet.dk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === thedonvaughn [n=jayson@unaffiliated/printk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davi_ [i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davi_ [i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davi_ [i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil [n=alessand@host103-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === henrix [i=miguel@84.90.24.110] has joined #ubuntu-motu === henrix [i=miguel@84.90.24.110] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === brainsik [n=brainsik@tesla.theory.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto [n=norsetto@host26-2-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CrummyGummy [n=CrummyGu@dsl-242-12-54.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] joejaxx: do you have the full list of uploads/developer for ubuntu.joejaxx.org somewhere? [01:20] joejaxx: would be cool to get a total number of uploads for the motu team :-)) [01:21] if you have the script for that somewhere, I could help to hack on that === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mok0 [n=mok@fw1.mb.au.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alleeHol [n=ach@dialin-212-144-129-229.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pochu [n=emilio@141.Red-88-6-144.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:56] hey pochu === norsetto [n=Cesare@host239-211-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:58] heya asisak, how is it going? === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:00] pochu: I am too busy nowadays, otherwise fine, thanks. === amachu [n=amachu@202.71.146.210] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:01] asisak: too busy with Final bug fixes? ;) [02:03] No, with uni stuff... I wanted to fix more bugs ... === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:04] Heya gang [02:05] heya bddebian [02:05] Hello asisak [02:05] morning bddebian [02:06] Morning norsetto [02:08] Heya norsetto [02:08] morning asisak [02:09] hi norsetto [02:09] ave BugMaN [02:10] hi $all [02:11] Hello everyone. === persia extends generalised greetings, following the consensus zeitgeist === pkern seconds https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121653/comments/74 -- bah. [02:11] Launchpad bug 121653 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[gutsy] Suspend to Ram does not work on Z61m" [Wishlist,Confirmed] === \sh prepares a CVE bugfix for wzdftpd === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] <\sh> pkern, are you coming on sunday? === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@35-152.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:17] \sh: Aye. [02:19] <\sh> pkern, cool...let's sign keys then ;) [02:19] Good point. Need to find my keysigning jacket then. ;) === \sh want to know what he can do with a openpgp smartcard...his gpg key is dsa and doesn't fit on the card [02:20] <\sh> pkern, ausweis and your id and fingerprint is enough ;) [02:20] \sh: Fingerprint is printed on many snippets in that very jacket ;) [02:20] \sh: You really need to use RSA keys AFAIR. [02:20] hi scottk, pkern [02:20] As there are not yet DSA smartcards. [02:21] Hi norsetto. [02:21] hi norsetto. [02:22] I'd be interested in an opinion on uploading the fix in Bug 125054 from someone who knows more about udev than me (that would be most of you). [02:22] Launchpad bug 125054 in openct "openct broken by ubuntu udev setup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125054 [02:22] <\sh> pkern, yeah....but having already a well known key (DSA) ... so what's it good for...well, I could some nice pam application with it ;) === blueyed [n=daniel@i5387E291.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] \sh: Signing/encryption subkeys? [02:23] pkern: Look at #ubuntu-devel about 20 minutes ago and be glad we didn't util-linux (>= 2.13) | linux32 on nspluginwrapper. [02:23] \sh: You could attach those to your DSA key. [02:23] ScottK: I'm not on #ubuntu-devel. [02:23] Ah. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] <\sh> pkern, yeah...I'll have a look this evening...I didn't have enough time for playing around with it...but ubuntu knows actually how to deal with the smartcard reader :)= [02:24]