[02:10] <gib> I'm tearing my hair out trying to get mythtv to work with a ADS PTV-305 tuner (hardware MPEG2 and uses blackbird drivers).
[02:11] <gib> The kernel seems to load all the blackbird drivers, OK, and even says it uploads the firmware OK.
[02:11] <gib> But when I choose "Watch TV" I get nothing but a blank screen.
[02:13] <gib> I even ran mplayer /dev/video1 and it played the firt TV channel (2), so the kernel drivers must be OK.  Not sure what the problem is with MythTV though.
[02:15] <tgm4883_laptop_> gib, feisty or gutsy?
[02:15] <gib> gutsy
[02:17] <gib> I'm using MythBuntu, as a matter of fact, which uses xbuntu gusty as it's base.
[02:30] <MitoTranin> gib: what do you have your tuner set to in myth-setup?
[02:32] <gib> I've tried just about every combination, but right now I have it set to an MPEG2 card, because I want to use the hardware encoding.  I assume that's the right choice.
[02:33] <gib> and /dev/video1, since that's the one to use for the hardware encoder.
[02:33] <MitoTranin> that's an HDTV card, right?
[02:33] <MitoTranin> if so, then you don't want it to be mpeg2, you want it to be dvb
[02:33] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, good catch MitoTranin
[02:34] <MitoTranin> HDTV *cannot* be put into mpeg2, it's just a straight data stream
[02:34] <MitoTranin> mpeg2 is for analog recordings
[02:34] <gib> No, it's analog
[02:34] <MitoTranin> are you sure you have the right model above then?
[02:34] <MitoTranin> the mythtv page for that card mentions it as HDTV:  http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ADS_Tech_Instant_TV_Deluxe_-_PTV305
[02:35] <MitoTranin> sorry, no, I read that wrong
[02:35] <mungewell> Hi all. So I check out the LCDproc status of mythbuntu.... just as bad as Mythdora :-( Thinking some more today (ie. without access to machine) does MythTV support mouse/touchscreen control?
[02:35] <MitoTranin> it says that if you have this card, your HDTV card won't work
[02:35] <MitoTranin> I assumed that meant that this card was HDTV, but re-reading it, it sounds like it could be the other way around
[02:36] <gib> I already read the wiki, that's why I bought the card.  It made it sound like the like the only issue to worry about was to get the firmware loaded, and that seems to have happened form the dmesg output
[02:36] <MitoTranin> mungewell: MythTV does allow you to press buttons with a mouse, yes
[02:36] <MitoTranin> but as far as I know, there's no interface for changing channels etc via mouse
[02:37] <MitoTranin> dunno,... brb, gotta put a kid in bed
[02:37] <mungewell> MitoTranin: so.... using VNC on a touch screen portable would work?
[02:38] <mungewell> I don't have TV input, just play pre-recorded media and internet streams.
[02:42] <MitoTranin> mungewell: if you can get a touchscreen that has arrow keys it should work
[02:42] <MitoTranin> (not many, but some will have a small touchpad for directional keys)
[02:44] <MitoTranin> gib: sounds like you're getting the same as this guy then?  http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2007-July/188305.html
[02:46] <gib> Yes, I am.
[02:46] <gib> I haven't checked my mythbackend.log file though.  Where is that located?
[02:46] <MitoTranin> uh... my best suggestion would be to email him and see if he ever figured it out then, because I don't see anyone posting a solution for it
[02:47] <MitoTranin> gib: /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[02:47] <gib> I guess I'd better.  It sucks having a card that's not common.
[02:48] <gib> But I don't have lots of choices in low profile cards with hardware encoders.
[02:48] <MitoTranin> yep... I'm kinda in the same boat
[02:48] <MitoTranin> got a great usb tuner that is said to be fully supported in mythtv etc
[02:48] <MitoTranin> only to find out that it does have awesome mythtv support... built right into the myth-setup options...
[02:49] <MitoTranin> but the linux drivers for it haven't been updated in over a year and don't work anymore
[02:49] <gib> I can't even use usb because it don't even have 2.0 on that machine.
[02:49] <gib> yeah, unless a lot of users use it, it can get broken and go unnoticed by any dev.
[02:50] <mungewell> MitoTranin: In my mind I thinking more along the lines of a pen (or finger) interface. Probably not supported at present, but would make one hell of a remote control that mirrored the menus seen on the screen and when playing TV/Video would present a simple interface to allow jumping to location/etc.
[02:50] <MitoTranin> mungewell: why not use a remote that does that?
[02:51] <MitoTranin> you can program palm pilots to be remotes etc, that might work
[02:51] <gib> The IR blaster that came with the card isn't working either, even though it's listed as a choice in the Mythbuntu setup.
[02:52] <mungewell> 1. I'm too cheap to spend out on fancy devices.... 2.  ... well that's about it ;-)
[02:52] <MitoTranin> lol
[02:52] <MitoTranin> I picked up my remote for a whole $9
[02:52] <MitoTranin> and it has *decent* (but not great) support
[02:53] <gib> What kind is it?
[02:53] <MitoTranin> (BUT, a disclaimer, I haven't gotten it working yet because I keep having problems with my IR receivers)
[02:53] <mungewell> I'd like to get a low power device which would enable my to navigate MythTV without having the main screen turned on. Have a large DLP and don't want to run all day when listening to streams/audio and not good for it to turn on/off all the time.
[02:53] <MitoTranin> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/One_For_All_URC-6131
[02:53] <MitoTranin> the one on the right
[02:54] <MitoTranin> ah, I gotcha
[02:54] <MitoTranin> so why not dual-monitor it with a cheap monitor and have it down behind the couch or something?
[02:54] <mungewell> I'm happy to run an old Palm or Palmtop to connect wired or wireless to control the myth box.
[02:55] <MitoTranin> the problem with a palm would be getting the display to show up on the palm
[02:55] <MitoTranin> I must have missed that part, I thought you said you just wanted a touchscreen style remote interface
[02:55] <mungewell> Power requirements is the main requirement. We're off grid and have to make every watt we use.
[02:56] <gib> Yeah, my problem is with the receiver too.  Don't think a driver is being loaded for it, which is funny since it's listed as an option in mythbuntu setup--figued it would be auto configured.
[02:56] <MitoTranin> missed where you want the display to actually show up on the remote/palm/thingy
[02:56] <gib> It's a usb ir blaster
[02:56] <mungewell> MitoTranin: nope, that's what I was thinking. Don't need motion video, but do want menus.
[02:56] <MitoTranin> gib: is your usb functional?
[02:57] <MitoTranin> mungewell: but since the menus are dynamic, you do need it to be an actual display though...
[02:57] <gib> Yeah, but it's only 1.1.  Wouldn't want to use it for data transer, but it's fine for something like a remote.
[02:57] <mungewell> If I push the idea really far, you could even do .Net VNC on cell phone connected via bluetooth.
[02:58] <MitoTranin> http://www.vfmstore.com/m225.htm
[02:58] <MitoTranin> how's that?
[02:58] <gib> The usb detects it, I just don't think that triggers a kernel module to be loaded.
[02:58] <MitoTranin> gib: you need to make sure that either hotplug or udev are working
[02:58] <MitoTranin> and that the firmware for the ir-blaster is being properly loaded
[02:59] <gib> and I'm not sure which module should be loaded.
[02:59] <mungewell> MitoTranin: not bad... $99, what's that CDN? $80 ;-)
[02:59] <MitoTranin> mungewell: if you used that for the display, you could then use a standard remote for the controling
[03:00] <MitoTranin> or if you want wired, you could use a simple game-pad
[03:00] <gib> well I could just modprobe it to see if it works.   You know what driver I should use?
[03:00] <MitoTranin> not a clue
[03:00] <MitoTranin> sorry guys, gotta run for a bit...
[03:01] <mungewell> MitoTranin: thanks for the help. I'll post the forums if I get anything working.
[03:01] <gib> goodnight
[04:26] <therethinker> $daily foxbunut
[04:26] <therethinker> $daily foxbuntu
[04:28] <therethinker> $daily foxbuntu
[04:28] <mythbot> /me throws foxbuntu into a flaming pit, and forces him to answer questions on #ubuntu-mythtv without using me OR ubotu!
[04:34] <foxbuntu> therethinker, stop that
[04:34] <foxbuntu> $poke therethinker
[04:34] <mythbot> /me stabs therethinker violently with a rusty spoon
[04:46] <NSVOE> hellow
[04:46] <NSVOE> anyone here
[04:46] <tgm4883> $ask
[04:46] <mythbot> Although I didn't know, ubotu says: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:47] <NSVOE> can myth tv be use on 2 diffrent tv's at the same time by one box?
[04:47] <tgm4883> $hello
[04:47] <mythbot> Welcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv.  Please state your question or comment.
[04:49] <tgm4883> Welcome
[04:49] <tgm4883> You've got mail
[04:50] <NSVOE> waaah
[04:50] <tgm4883> ?
[04:51] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, we've got a live one
[04:51] <NSVOE> so yeah, can you do that
[04:51] <tgm4883> do what?
[04:51] <NSVOE> don't tell me you didn't see all of tha
[04:51] <tgm4883> nope
[04:51] <NSVOE> :/
[04:51] <NSVOE> basicly
[04:51] <frank_> anyone know how the 'match duplicates using subtitles' feature works? Does it record the whole show, the check if its a duplicate? or does it stop the recirding at some point?     And are the subtitles kept after a show is deleted?
[04:51] <NSVOE> one computer
[04:52] <NSVOE> 2 tvs
[04:52] <NSVOE> 2 remotes
[04:52] <NSVOE> and i want to watch tv and do stuff at the same time
[04:52] <NSVOE> on each tv
[04:53] <NSVOE> has it ben done
[04:53] <tgm4883> so you want to have the shows displaying on the desktop.  And have each tv display the desktop and different shows?
[04:54] <NSVOE> kinds
[04:54] <NSVOE> kind of
[04:55] <tgm4883> it's a very complicated setup and I don't think there is much documentation.  Some people have been successful in running dual screens and having mythtv show on one screen and keeping the desktop on the other
[04:55] <NSVOE> yes
[04:56] <NSVOE> i want each tv to basicly have their own control as if they had a seprate box there
[04:57] <tgm4883> hmm
[04:57] <NSVOE> granted i am not dumb i would have 2 graphics cards
[04:57] <foxbuntu> nsvoe you are going to need to setup xineorama or something similar
[04:57] <foxbuntu> yet you wont be able to use remotes
[04:57] <tgm4883> i dont' know if lirc can handle that
[04:57] <NSVOE> the cards come with remotes
[04:57] <foxbuntu> and you can only spawn one mythfrontend session per machine
[04:58] <foxbuntu> lirc can only handle one remote at a time
[04:58] <foxbuntu> meaning one remote kernel mode running
[04:58] <tgm4883> well you can spawn a second mythfrontend, but you would need a way to seperate the audio
[04:58] <NSVOE> what about a virtual mechine with 2 linuxes
[04:59] <tgm4883> which could be done via seperate sound cards
[04:59] <tgm4883> I think it's more trouble than it's worth
[04:59] <NSVOE> i like yours better
[04:59] <foxbuntu> NSVOE, you would be better off building a second machine
[04:59] <tgm4883> +1 for foxbuntu
[05:00] <NSVOE> i was hoping that myth tv would auto devide with 2 cards
[05:00] <tgm4883> NSVOE, help me visualize what your trying to accomplish
[05:01] <tgm4883> AFAIK there is no way that LIRC can send remote events to a specified mythfrontend
[05:01] <NSVOE> i'm watching tv in the den and my friend watching wresteling in another room
[05:01] <tgm4883> so you would lose your remote control unless you did it via keyboard
[05:01] <tgm4883> HD or SD?
[05:02] <tgm4883> not that it matters
[05:02] <NSVOE> basic tv
[05:02] <tgm4883> because it's definetly not happening with HD
[05:02] <tgm4883> and with SD, you should pick up a cheap 1 GHz machine to use as a frontend
[05:02] <tgm4883> it's really way more work than your thinking
[05:03] <tgm4883> what are your machine specs?
[05:03] <NSVOE> i'll build it, but it is going to be micro quiet atx
[05:03] <NSVOE> so that's what i am gathering at the moment
[05:04] <NSVOE> the specs
[05:04] <tgm4883> IMHO, it's not worth it then.  You would have to literally buy two of almost everything anyway
[05:04] <NSVOE> but i was hoping i could pull off something special and use like a p4 or something
[05:05] <tgm4883> the few things that you would buy one of are motherboard, ram, cpu, ps
[05:05] <foxbuntu> NSVOE, nope...MythTV was designed around the concept of Frontend and Backend devices for scability
[05:05] <tgm4883> then your seriously looking at hours of setup which isn't guarenteed to work anyway
[05:06] <tgm4883> and you won't get LIRC to do what you want
[05:06] <foxbuntu> NSVOE, trust me on this one...I am a gluton for punishment and have tried several of the things you are talking about...the dual monitors alone can consume several hours of work
[05:06] <tgm4883> After the base install, I see an additional 20+ hours of research and work to get something to proof of concept state
[05:07] <tgm4883> which IMHO isn't exactly a state I would be happy with
[05:07] <NSVOE> ok i have 2 4 port hd vedio cards and onboard sound with extra hd audio
[05:07] <NSVOE> pci
[05:07] <foxbuntu> build a basic backend server and a really cheap frontend and put a frontend on both
[05:07] <NSVOE> with a 700 gb hd
[05:08] <foxbuntu> NSVOE, let me make this simple...
[05:08] <NSVOE> each vedio card has hardware acceleration
[05:08] <NSVOE> with upgraded memory
[05:09] <NSVOE> i have the hardware
[05:09] <NSVOE> i need the software
[05:09] <foxbuntu> NSVOE, you are welcome to use our software to attempt to make it work, however you will not find support from us (i.e. spending lots of our time on this for you) to make it all work
[05:09] <NSVOE> ooh and i have 2 gig of mem
[05:09] <tgm4883> NSVOE, are you capable enough to code in python
[05:10] <NSVOE> absolutely
[05:10] <NSVOE> not
[05:10] <tgm4883> ok then
[05:10] <tgm4883> this is what you need to do
[05:10] <tgm4883> you have 2 options
[05:10] <NSVOE> i can't do much but i take direction well
[05:11] <NSVOE> i know huh
[05:12] <NSVOE> 2 boxes or hours of codeing that might break my cards
[05:12] <foxbuntu> NSVOE, I don't mean to sounds like a prick, but the fact of the matter is this software was not designed what you want to do, and I don't refer to that as Mythbuntu but its peices...Lirc, MythTV, tuner drivers, or IR Driver
[05:12] <tgm4883> A)  Install mythbuntu, setup xorg for dual x environments, setup each mythtv in a different account, setup each mythtv to use a different sound card.  If you want remote support, then you will have to hire a programmer to make you a custom IR receiving program
[05:13] <tgm4883> B) make a seperate box for a second frontend
[05:13] <tgm4883> The biggest hurdle is setting up the dual environments
[05:14] <foxbuntu> which will consume mucho ram
[05:14] <tgm4883> yes
[05:14] <tgm4883> what tuner cards?
[05:14] <frank_> just reading this...  for A) you could use wireless keyboards instead of remotes and have this work. I have no idea how to separate the sound though.
[05:15] <NSVOE> well for one i could seperate the chanels
[05:16] <tgm4883> NSVOE, what TV tuners?
[05:16] <MitoTranin> NSVOE: I've been reading a little while catching up on email etc...  and let me make this one simple observation...
[05:16] <MitoTranin> you said you have two 4-port HD tuner cards
[05:17] <NSVOE> um....the graphics card that have tv tuners n them one in port  and 2 out ports
[05:17] <MitoTranin> that costs a chunk of change... so you're obviously not short on cash.
[05:17] <tgm4883> NSVOE, what brand?
[05:17] <MitoTranin> this means the reason for you to not do two frontends shouldn't be cost
[05:17] <tgm4883> NSVOE, what model?
[05:17] <MitoTranin> even if it is, you said you were hoping to be able to use a P4 or something... well, that doesn't fit with your ultra-low noise that you wanted
[05:18] <NSVOE> not really i got them off of a guys computer that he had a chunck of change and didn't want them
[05:18] <tgm4883> NSVOE, are they all in wonder cards?
[05:18] <MitoTranin> also, you can buy 2 VIA motherboards that can be ran fanless with built-in cpu's for cheaper than the cost of a single P4 motherboard+cpu combo
[05:18] <NSVOE> i'll need to see, i don't think so
[05:19] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, your mirror server ready to go?
[05:20] <MitoTranin> you said that you take direction well... yet everyone has been suggesting, and some telling, you that what you are wanting to do is impractical, over-your-head technically, and very simply against the entire design of MythTV...
[05:20] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: yes, good to go
[05:20] <NSVOE> ok, i'm an IT, and i don't know that concept
[05:20] <MitoTranin> did a manual rsync this afternoon
[05:20] <NSVOE> via motherboards
[05:20] <MitoTranin> VIA motherboards
[05:20] <MitoTranin> VIA is a company that makes chipsets etc
[05:20] <MitoTranin> they also make motherboards with built-in processors
[05:20] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, great thanks
[05:21] <NSVOE> like via the train via the the server room on fire
[05:21] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, sorry...superm1 has be being his mirror nazi tonight
[05:21] <NSVOE> oooh
[05:21] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: not a problem :)  it's important that everyone is synced up for tomorrow :)
[05:21] <NSVOE> are they old ? fast
[05:21] <NSVOE> linkns pls
[05:21] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: I do have mine set to rsync daily at midnight PST time btw
[05:22] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, ok
[05:22] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, I need to do the same as well
[05:23] <tgm4883> http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/
[05:27] <propagandhi> good day people
[05:28] <tgm4883> $hello
[05:28] <mythbot> Welcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv.  Please state your question or comment.
[05:28] <NSVOE> holly crap
[05:29] <NSVOE> OMG i want it! http://www.mini-itx.com/reviews/pico-itx/ it fits on your fingers
[05:29] <NSVOE> it looks smaller than a pci card
[05:29] <MitoTranin> NSVOE: then do it...
[05:29] <NSVOE> have you seen it
[05:29] <NSVOE> !
[05:29] <Wy|laptop> Hrm, anyone on the iso team around?
[05:29] <Wy|laptop> Just a quickie comment
[05:30] <Wy|laptop>  /feedback
[05:30] <tgm4883> yes
[05:30] <MitoTranin> not to persuade away from mythbuntu, but there is a special mythtv frontend for small systems just like that
[05:30] <tgm4883> Wy|laptop, shoot
[05:30] <NSVOE> i'm just amazed they built a motherboard that fits in your hand
[05:30] <MitoTranin> and yes, NSVOE, I've built firewalls and vpn routers with such things
[05:30] <Wy|laptop> Okay, booting the A64 version, vid card is a 7100
[05:31] <Wy|laptop> Problem is the x configurator selects the nv module for xorg, and picks some bassackwards mode line which doesn't work very well
[05:31] <NSVOE> have you used that board b4?
[05:31] <MitoTranin> not that board, no
[05:31] <Wy|laptop> Suggested solution: make xorg on the bootable cd default to VESA
[05:31] <MitoTranin> the ones I have used are the mini-itx and nano-itx, never a pico-itx
[05:32] <Wy|laptop> pico-itx is crazy small
[05:32] <MitoTranin> anyways, if you want something that can run on something along those lines, check this out:  http://www.mini-box.com/iMediaMythTV
[05:32] <Wy|laptop> tgm: thoughts?
[05:32] <MitoTranin> actually designed to run on systems small such as this: http://www.mini-box.com/Mini-Box-M300-LCD
[05:32] <NSVOE> it's about the speed of a p4 older desktop you would say???
[05:32] <Wy|laptop> what is it?
[05:32] <Wy|laptop> myth-frontend / mythbuntu works well enough on an epia
[05:33] <MitoTranin> Wy|laptop: he's talking about a pico-itx
[05:33] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, do you rsync the isos?
[05:33] <Wy|laptop> yeah, but isn't the via pico-itx's built around the same stuff?
[05:33] <MitoTranin> yeah
[05:33] <Wy|laptop> tgm: newest iso
[05:34] <NSVOE> how mini is that mini box
[05:34] <NSVOE> ??
[05:34] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, can you pop over in -dev and help foxbuntu
[05:34] <MitoTranin> read... it has the dimensions there
[05:34] <Wy|laptop> I mean, autodectection is nice, but too much wierd stuff out there. Better to just use VESA
[05:34] <MitoTranin> I've been there :)
[05:35] <Wy|laptop> I can swap in my other card (x2400) and it'll just not work
[05:35] <Wy|laptop> except if you're in vesa
[05:35] <NSVOE> i mean from the pic it looks like i't fit in cuped hands
[05:35] <tgm4883> Wy|laptop, I think that is handled by gutsy, but i'll pass it along
[05:35] <MitoTranin> - Size 20cm (w) x 7.8 cm x 24cm
[05:35] <tgm4883> there is one problem with that though
[05:35] <MitoTranin> that's the M300
[05:35] <tgm4883> Wy|laptop, have you tried the safe graphics mode?
[05:36] <NSVOE> c'mon now, i'm dyslexic
[05:36] <MitoTranin> NSVOE: the M200 is shorter...
[05:36] <Wy|laptop> tgm: oh, no worries, I fixored the mode line myself so it booted
[05:36] <MitoTranin> what, how can I give it to you better?
[05:36] <MitoTranin> you want it converted into inches?
[05:36] <Wy|laptop> anyways, gotta run
[05:36] <NSVOE> lolrof
[05:36] <MitoTranin> http://www.worldwidemetric.com/metcal.htm
[05:36] <MitoTranin>  :)
[05:37] <superm1> what's up with uk.cdimages?
[05:37] <tgm4883> run, run now superm1
[05:37] <superm1> why isn't it working?
[05:37] <superm1> frink_, Daviey ?
[05:37] <tgm4883> superm1, whats not working?
[05:37] <superm1> the server?
[05:37] <superm1> i cant connect to it at all
[05:37] <tgm4883> strange
[05:38] <superm1> can you?
[05:38] <MitoTranin> superm1: I just checked, can't get anything from it
[05:38] <NSVOE> can you fit it in the palm of your hand
[05:38] <superm1> well this == bad
[05:38] <MitoTranin> superm1: I am fully synced though, synced this afternoon
[05:38] <tgm4883> superm1, i can't even ping it
[05:38] <tgm4883> i am fully synced though
[05:39] <superm1> ugh.  i didn't want to deal with trouble at all tonight, i've got os much other stuff to deal with
[05:39] <superm1> what time is it frink_'s time?
[05:39] <tgm4883> where is frink?
[05:39] <tgm4883> india?
[05:39] <superm1> i probably don't want to call him right this moment
[05:40] <tgm4883> it's 5:39 am in germany
[05:40] <MitoTranin> if frink_ is the uk, then he's GMT+0, which means it's 4:40am there
[05:41] <superm1> yeah probably don't want to wake him up right now
[05:41] <superm1> Daviey, probably typed sudo shutdown by accident
[05:41] <MitoTranin> NSVOE: in answer to your earlier question, yes, it's kinda like an old p4
[05:42] <MitoTranin> those two models are actually a via 1.0Ghz system
[05:42] <MitoTranin> but they are much faster than a P3 1.0GHz that you might be familiar with...
[05:42] <MitoTranin> I have a C7 1.5Ghz system, and it feels faster than my old P4 1.8
[05:43] <MitoTranin> by quite a bit
[05:44] <foxbuntu> superm1, ha
[05:44] <foxbuntu> superm1, how the heck did 3 hours pass?
[05:45] <NSVOE> y does it only have 60 gigs available for that on that site you gave me??
[05:46] <superm1> foxbuntu, fast
[05:46] <NSVOE> i'm uessing because of space
[05:46] <MitoTranin> NSVOE: if you want bigger, don't order a HDD with it
[05:46] <foxbuntu> superm1, needs to move slower...I dont want to work tomorrow
[05:46] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:46] <MitoTranin> but do note that it uses a LAPTOP hard drive, and not a desktop drive
[05:47] <superm1> well i've got other stuff to take care of yet tonight.  hopefully frink_'s box comes back to life, if not i'll have to call him tomorrow morning
[05:47] <superm1> any remaining mirrors will have to sync from somewhere else
[05:47] <superm1> i've a feeling bendailey's mirrors weren't synced
[05:47] <superm1> but dont know for usre
[05:47] <tgm4883> *cough* foxbuntu *cough*
[05:48] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, ?
[05:48] <tgm4883> oh superm1 was talking about people that weren't synced yet
[05:48] <tgm4883> and I was genetically bred to always blame you first
[05:49] <foxbuntu> $poke tgm4883
[05:49] <mythbot> /me stabs tgm4883 violently with a rusty spoon
[05:50] <MitoTranin> $postal
[05:50] <NSVOE> i'm just wondering if it was because you couldn't put one in it
[05:50] <mythbot> Sorry, I neither I or ubotu knew, but Wikipedia says: "Mail, the postal service" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal
[05:50] <MitoTranin> darn, that would have been a good one :)
[05:51] <MitoTranin> NSVOE: the enclosure itself supports any 2.5" HDD you can find
[05:51] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, link
[05:51] <foxbuntu> $whack tgm4883
[05:51] <mythbot> /me whacks tgm4883
[05:51] <MitoTranin> NSVOE: you will need to check the specs on that motherboard though to make sure though
[05:51] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: link for what?
[05:51] <tgm4883> for whatever your looking at :)
[05:51] <tgm4883> im bored
[05:51] <MitoTranin> http://www.mini-box.com/Mini-Box-M200-LCD
[05:51] <tgm4883> id ask foxbuntu, but im afraid of the link he would give me
[05:52] <NSVOE> rof
[05:52] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, eh I looked at the dirty stuff earlier
[05:52] <tgm4883> ah
[05:52] <foxbuntu> now I only have my web site manager up
[05:52] <foxbuntu> boring stuff
[05:53] <tgm4883> NSVOE, what part of IT are you in?
[05:53] <NSVOE> it's looking like i can put 4 hard drives in the box, but it's depending on if it has a daughterboard
[05:53] <tgm4883> uh, i doubt that
[05:53] <MitoTranin> 4 drives?
[05:53] <MitoTranin> are you looking at the M300 or the M200 ?
[05:53] <tgm4883> allows mounting of up to two 2.5" laptop drives.
[05:54] <NSVOE> hardware netwotking research rollout
[05:54] <NSVOE> i am not allowed to do server management or helpdesk
[05:55] <MitoTranin> NSVOE: are you looking at the M200 system, or the M300 system?
[05:56] <NSVOE> someone's computer was overheating and i happened to be on the basterd excuses page and i refreshed it..................so i told the guy his problem was that his computer was over heating
[05:56] <NSVOE> and to get ice watter and pour it over his computer but make sure that it is on , i didn't think the guy was an idiot
[05:56] <NSVOE> 300
[05:57] <NSVOE> but only hdd help i got was in a pdf with nice grphics
[05:57] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, one thing to make sure...get a good Fluxcapitor I suggest the g400 for about $50..its makes all the difference with MythTV
[05:58] <NSVOE> and the guy hung up the phone and he did what i said b4 i could tell him i was jokeing
[05:58] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, the g400 is old, the new g440 is out now
[05:58] <MitoTranin> I was thinking the g290 would do the trick though...
[05:58] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, really?
[05:58] <foxbuntu> cool
[05:58] <tgm4883> yea yesterday they released it
[05:58] <NSVOE> lmao rof i still get a kick out of that
[05:58] <foxbuntu> out of what?
[05:58] <tgm4883> there have been some bad reviews though
[05:58] <tgm4883> I guess some have disabled pipes
[05:59] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, intresting
[05:59] <tgm4883> apparently they are trying to make some money before they release the g500
[05:59] <tgm4883> it's been out of R&D forever, I don't know why they haven't released it yet
[05:59] <MitoTranin> NSVOE: the M300 case is compatible for up to two 2.5" drives
[06:01] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, I love the M300
[06:01] <NSVOE> that's what i figured, there is a daughterboard on it
[06:01] <MitoTranin> so tgm4883, he's looking at this system http://www.mini-box.com/Mini-Box-M300-LCD
[06:01] <NSVOE> and that's as much as i can fit
[06:01] <NSVOE> 2.5 isn't that laptop size
[06:01] <MitoTranin> yes
[06:01] <MitoTranin> yes it is
[06:01] <MitoTranin> 3.5" is desktop
[06:01] <MitoTranin> 2.5" is laptop
[06:01] <NSVOE> why the heck do they only have 60 g
[06:02] <NSVOE> these people don't make scence
[06:02] <NSVOE> or is it me
[06:02] <MitoTranin> NSVOE: as I said before... you can put in *any* 2.5" drive that you want
[06:02] <MitoTranin> as long as you only put in 2 of them
[06:02] <MitoTranin> AND
[06:02] <tgm4883> it's you.  Dont' buy the HD from them
[06:02] <MitoTranin> as long as you make sure that the drive is compatible with the motherboard
[06:02] <NSVOE> maybe the board won't  support high capacity drives
[06:03] <foxbuntu> NSVOE, right
[06:03] <NSVOE> your a faster typer thanme
[06:03] <tgm4883> NSVOE, you should email them just to be sure
[06:03] <NSVOE> i already know what there gonna say, the same thing dell does, lmao
[06:04] <MitoTranin> that M300 system uses this motherboard: http://www.mini-box.com/Hybrid-C7-1G?sc=8&category=99
[06:04] <NSVOE> if we could have we would have, and if it can then we can't tell you
[06:04] <tgm4883> NSVOE, why don't you purchase it and send it to me.  I'll do extensive testing for you
[06:04] <NSVOE> dell can byte my shorts
[06:05] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, no this board had the old g400 on it
[06:05] <NSVOE> lol ok
[06:05] <foxbuntu> nice board
[06:05] <NSVOE> i'll e-mail it to you
[06:05] <tgm4883> ice cream time, im out
[06:05] <foxbuntu> NSVOE, what jigawatt rating psu unit are you planning on using?
[06:05] <NSVOE> awe your connection must not be big enugh
[06:06] <MitoTranin> here is the link from the manuf. with their specs
[06:06] <MitoTranin> http://www.jetway.com.tw/jetway/system/productshow2.asp?id=383&proname=J7F2WE1G
[06:06] <tgm4883> NSVOE, whats your connection?  I only got 1Gbps here
[06:06] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, really? I have 2.6Gbps here
[06:07] <tgm4883> yea, i live kinda out of town so we dont' get the fast speeds
[06:07] <NSVOE> i am unable to discuss that at the moment due to it might incriminate me
[06:07] <tgm4883> uh yea. ok
[06:07] <NSVOE> sereously
[06:08] <NSVOE> i live in apartments and i have wireless
[06:08] <tgm4883> so wireless might incriminate you?
[06:08] <NSVOE> i could be on your connection
[06:08] <foxbuntu> NSVOE, oh you hack?
[06:09] <superm1> i do mean to rain in on everyone's fun by reminding them of /topic
[06:09] <NSVOE> i said nothing of the sort i was relateing our possable isp provider similarity due to popularity
[06:10] <foxbuntu> NSVOE, well.../topic only now
[06:10] <NSVOE> if you take the "u" out of his handle that's aquard
[06:10] <foxbuntu> so unless you have more Mythbuntu support needs...I better get back to work
[06:11] <NSVOE> what you actually work
[06:11] <foxbuntu> NSVOE, yes
[06:11] <foxbuntu> quite alot actually
[06:11] <tazgodx> is it possible to set mythtv to output sound as mono?
[06:11] <foxbuntu> tazgodx, yes
[06:11] <superm1> NSVOE, am i going to have to kick you from here? /t only ok?
[06:12] <NSVOE> nonono i men't this is related to your work?
[06:12] <foxbuntu> you can change alsa/oss to do that
[06:13] <foxbuntu> tazgodx, do you use alsa?
[06:13] <tazgodx> not sure
[06:13] <tazgodx> how can i tell?
[06:13] <foxbuntu> do you know where the sound settings menu is in setup?
[06:13] <NSVOE> you must be the boss man that didn't realise the aquardness of his handle
[06:13] <foxbuntu> NSVOE, who?
[06:13] <NSVOE> now realizeing it
[06:13] <tgm4883> NSVOE, your not on my connection.  I dont live in georgia
[06:14] <foxbuntu> superm1, you last chan op?
[06:14] <foxbuntu> lost*
[06:14] <superm1> look closer at the order of events
[06:14] <foxbuntu> oh I see
[06:15] <foxbuntu> thanks
[06:15] <foxbuntu> that guy was a pain from the get go
[06:15] <foxbuntu> is that perm or temp?
[06:15] <superm1> well if he logs in from a different ip he can still get in
[06:15] <foxbuntu> well i get that
[06:15] <MitoTranin> he was using a webchat too?  go figure
[06:15] <superm1> but its blocked that nick, that ip, and ident
[06:16] <tazgodx> all i know is that my TV only accepts one audio RCA cable
[06:18] <foxbuntu> tazgodx, do you know how to find the menu with Mythtv sound settings in it?
[06:19] <tazgodx> don't know off hand, but i can go thru them all real quick
[06:19] <foxbuntu> eh
[06:19] <foxbuntu> superm1, you know off hand which menu that is in?
[06:21] <tazgodx> ok audio out device
[06:21] <tazgodx> ALSA:dfeault
[06:21] <foxbuntu> ok so you are using alsa then
[06:21] <foxbuntu> pull up your console
[06:21] <foxbuntu> and start up alsamixer
[06:22] <foxbuntu> or perhaps alsa-mixer
[06:22] <tazgodx> i guess ill have to do this tomorrow, i don't have it on the network today, i moved my box, and tomorrow i ahve to run my cable
[06:22] <tazgodx> but continue, ill just save this convo
[06:23] <foxbuntu> well one of the options in there you can change the input/output to mono
[06:23] <foxbuntu> Im not sure off the top of my head
[06:23] <foxbuntu> but there are only a few
[06:23] <foxbuntu> its pretty easy to use
[06:27] <tazgodx> ok, thanks
[06:28] <tazgodx> ill look into that tomorrow, or maybe the day after. or better yet, whenever i have a few free minutes
[06:28] <foxbuntu> tazgodx, ok
[06:28] <foxbuntu> ope it helps
[06:28] <foxbuntu> hope*
[06:30] <tazgodx> im sure it will, this channel is always so helpful
[06:30] <foxbuntu> we try
[06:30] <foxbuntu> thanks!
[06:31] <tazgodx> no prob
[07:31] <superm1> Wy|laptop, video drivers are detected identically to ubuntu
[07:31] <superm1> when you choose safe graphics mode however, that will force vesa
[07:43] <gib> Any ideas on why I'd be able to use my ptv-305 card with both motv and xawtv, but not with Myth TV?  The card obviously works under Linux if I can watch TV with those other two programs.
[07:44] <gib> I get a black screen when choosing "watchTV" under MythTV.
[07:45] <superm1> likely not configured right under mythtv-setup
[07:45] <superm1> would be the most common cause
[07:47] <gib> Well they're aren
[07:47] <gib> t
[07:47] <gib> that many options, and I've tried them all.
[07:47] <superm1> what type of card do you have it assigned as?
[07:48] <superm1> and is this feisty or gutsy(/mythbuntu)
[07:48] <Wy|laptop> superm1: hrm, odd that my video worked under a gutsy boot by default and not under the myth boot, then
[07:49] <gib> ADS PTV-305.  I've tried setting it up as both an MPEG2 card and a standard analog v4l card
[07:49] <gib> It's gutsy--mythbuntu, actually.
[07:49] <superm1> it's not either from what i see actually
[07:49] <superm1> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ADS_Tech_Instant_TV_Deluxe_-_PTV305
[07:50] <superm1> that looks like it would be dvb?
[07:50] <superm1> or wait no.
[07:50] <superm1> its cx88-blackbird.
[07:50] <gib> It's an analog card.
[07:50] <superm1> yeah i just looked closer
[07:51] <gib> Yeah, and dmesg shows a lot of blackbird drivers all loading
[07:51] <gib> and even says firmware uploaded successfully
[07:51] <superm1> can you pastebin dmesg?
[07:51] <superm1> i'm a bit curious
[07:51] <gib> Which pastbin should I use?
[07:51] <superm1> !pastebin | gib
[07:51] <ubotu> gib: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:53] <propagandhi> hi superm1
[07:53] <propagandhi> thanks for ur posts on the forum
[07:54] <superm1> no prob
[07:55] <superm1> sort out the wifi stuff then now?
[07:55] <gib> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40333/
[07:55] <foxbuntu> superm1, I sort of went blueprint crazy on you
[07:55] <superm1> that's okay
[07:55] <propagandhi> superm1: no, I have 1hr 5 mins before i can go home and fix it up
[07:55] <superm1> propagandhi, ah okay
[07:56] <propagandhi> i love mythbuntu, its brilliant
[07:56] <foxbuntu> superm1, I will try to elaborate on those later
[07:56] <foxbuntu> propagandhi, thanks!
[07:56] <superm1> gib, my only worry in there would have been cx88[0] /2-bb: Firmware and/or mailbox pointer not initialized or
[07:56] <superm1> corrupted
[07:57] <superm1> but since it says that it loads fine after that,
[07:57] <superm1> perhaps no need for worry
[07:57] <propagandhi> seriously I've done all sorts of testing with doing ubuntu from ground up and other distros and then looked at mythdora, knoppmyth etc. But i love ubuntu the most, and mythbuntu just saves so much time
[07:57] <propagandhi> its really well put together
[07:57] <gib> I think it always says that mailbox thing because it even has that in the wiki example showing a sucessful load.
[07:58] <foxbuntu> propagandhi, its been a long road to here from where it all started and most of the credit goes to superm1 for his vision and commitment to it
[07:58] <superm1> gib, so when you use this card in xawtv or motv, does it spit out mpeg2 then?
[07:58] <superm1> gib, or does it spit out raw frames that get later encoded?
[07:59] <superm1> based upon this hardware: Cx23416-12 MPEG2 Encoder
[07:59] <foxbuntu> propagandhi, its good to hear the praises from users about it
[07:59] <superm1> i would suspect mpeg2 files
[07:59] <superm1> indeed propagandhi, do spread the word around.  the more people we using it the better :)
[07:59] <propagandhi> superm1: well i've already rolled out 6 boxes running mythbuntu
[07:59] <gib> I didn't try saving anything.  I don't even get a picture period on Mythbuntu.  Figured I'd worry about that after I could at least watch live tv.
[08:00] <propagandhi> i've got killer hardware at my disposal too, get it free so i can contribute to testing
[08:00] <superm1> gib, well as a quick experiment, can you try to capture from /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg
[08:00] <foxbuntu> propagandhi, free hardwarE?
[08:00] <propagandhi> foxbuntu: indeed
[08:00] <superm1> gib, just "cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg" and then wait a few seconds, hit ctrl c
[08:01] <gib> OK
[08:01] <foxbuntu> propagandhi, hows that work?
[08:01] <superm1> and try to play that with mplayer on the command line
[08:01] <superm1> gib, it will tell you exactly what kind of file you get out
[08:01] <propagandhi> foxbuntu: well basically if i tell my boss i want a piece of hardware i get it
[08:01] <foxbuntu> propagandhi, very nice
[08:01] <propagandhi> check out the specs of my two myth boxes on the mythbuntu forum where superm1 asked for us to post our hardware
[08:01] <propagandhi> on page 3
[08:01] <foxbuntu> I usually only get old junk for free
[08:01] <propagandhi> and i got those two free
[08:02] <superm1> those are some killer boxes
[08:02] <superm1> sounds like you need to start sending some testing hardware my way :) hehe
[08:02] <foxbuntu> mine too!
[08:02] <foxbuntu> lol
[08:03] <propagandhi> i'm in Australia, how far from me are u
[08:03] <foxbuntu> well...another one
[08:03] <foxbuntu> a long ways
[08:03] <foxbuntu> lol
[08:03] <superm1> propagandhi, yeah, midwest USA, so quite a ways away
[08:03] <propagandhi> well thats no good, I might be able to send u a small package... like a floppy drive lol
[08:04] <propagandhi> ha ha
[08:04] <foxbuntu> YAY a floppy
[08:04] <foxbuntu> superm1, there we go...myth frontend on a floppy
[08:04] <propagandhi> lol
[08:04] <foxbuntu> ah...1986 technology
[08:04] <superm1> foxbuntu, you may poke fun, but that is part of the pxe spec
[08:05] <superm1> for hardware that doesn't support network booting normally....
[08:05] <foxbuntu> superm1, well...PXE though
[08:05] <foxbuntu> not the software
[08:05] <propagandhi> in any case, I have access to a lot of hardware, if I can source it over here i can test it
[08:06] <foxbuntu> I was thinking back to a IBM 286 with DOS 5 that ran everything from 5.25" floppies
[08:06] <propagandhi> i'm right into myth at the moment
[08:06] <superm1> propagandhi, wonderful, we'll have to call upon you for helping to test items then :)
[08:06] <foxbuntu> propagandhi, there is always need for testing...just keep using it
[08:06] <propagandhi> i've also got it running on older hardware too, not just bleeding edge hardware
[08:06] <propagandhi> lol
[08:07] <foxbuntu> superm1, you should see this server of great awesomeness I recently picked up
[08:07] <superm1> propagandhi, i'd say if you can subscribe to our ML, and keep up with calls for testing and bug reporting, it would be great
[08:07] <foxbuntu> oh...nvm I told you about that
[08:07] <superm1> propagandhi, the sooner we know about stuff that is broke, the more likely we can fix it :)
[08:08] <propagandhi> well i'm in
[08:08] <propagandhi> at the moment i'm running three different types of dvico hardware
[08:08] <superm1> i'm afraid of too much stuff cropping up right here after tomorrow's RC that we don't have control over anymore due to the archive freeze, but we'll see i guess
[08:08] <propagandhi> dvico stuff is not so well supported anywhere
[08:08] <foxbuntu> superm1, did you tell me to check perms on the ~/.mythtv/ for my FE problem?
[08:08] <superm1> you said you have to grab mecurial sources for v4l-dvb
[08:08] <propagandhi> superm1:
[08:08] <propagandhi> yes i did
[08:08] <propagandhi> and now it works
[08:09] <propagandhi> but only one half lol
[08:09] <superm1> propagandhi, come the first hardy alpha, should you still need to do that, we need to get a bug report filed
[08:09] <propagandhi> like, it has dual tuner capability but only one adapter loads
[08:09] <superm1> and get that patch pulled from v4l-dvb
[08:09] <propagandhi> superm1: no problem
[08:09] <superm1> it's too late now to do anything about it for gutsy
[08:09] <superm1> but at least for hardy its possible
[08:10] <propagandhi> superm1: yeah, was definitely not expecting u to jump at it now
[08:10] <propagandhi> so which mailing list do i join, cause on the mythbuntu site it lists the mythtv users mailing list
[08:10] <propagandhi> but i cant see a mythbuntu one
[08:11] <superm1> propagandhi, well there are a few things that we *do* need to jump on if they come up, but yeah, that won't be one of them :)
[08:11] <superm1> ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com
[08:11] <superm1> is the ml to join
[08:11] <propagandhi> superm1: totally understood
[08:11] <superm1> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-mythtv
[08:11] <propagandhi> superm1: so do i send a subscribe message or something
[08:11] <propagandhi> oh ok
[08:12] <superm1> come final release in a week or two, we'll have to get everything on the site in order to point people to the right places.  it's just kinda a mess right now on that support page
[08:12] <propagandhi> superm1: dont kill urself over it u've done a fantastic job
[08:12] <propagandhi> seriously, i love it
[08:13] <superm1> i've got to get back to a few other items, so i'm going to be afk, but propagandhi, most definitely thanks for dropping in.  the more testing users and hardware we get the better :)
[08:13] <propagandhi> superm1: no problem, enjoy!!
[08:13] <gib> OK /dev/video is the  software channel, it creates a huge file fast when I cat that device to a file.
[08:13] <gib> It must be raw
[08:14] <gib> "/dev/video1" gives an input/output error
[08:14] <gib> That's the one that is supposed to output MPEG2
[08:16] <gib> But even if there is a problem, I'm not sure why I can at least use /dev/video0 under MythTV 'til I get it  sorted out.
[08:19] <gib> I wonder where it's loading the firmware from; it's not under /sys/firmware
[08:28] <MythbuntuGuest14> hey, quick question... is there any difference in setting this up if you're behind a digital cable box?
[08:28] <MythbuntuGuest14> should you run it through the box or straight to the wall? and are there any different signal settings you need to get it to work?
[08:39] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest14, STB's actualy change things a bit but make it no harder
[08:39] <foxbuntu> I personally run a Dig. Cable box
[08:40] <foxbuntu> infact if it is a Motorolla box it can be done without an IR Blaster
[08:44] <MythbuntuGuest14> Hmm, because I'm not getting a readable signal
[08:45] <MythbuntuGuest14> the only other thing I can think of is my capture card is set up improperly
[08:59] <MythbuntuGuest14> hey fox, if you're still there where can I find docs on setting up an IR blaster or something similar?
[09:01] <MythbuntuGuest14> *or anyone*
[09:50] <frink_> eesh
[09:50] <frink_> madness isnt it!
[12:16] <propagandhi> I'm scanning QAM-64 channels in the mythbackend and its not showing any status... is there any way to see whats being scanned and if any locks are being made?
[01:03] <frink_> Daviey: pong
[01:03] <Daviey> ah frink_
[01:03] <Daviey> site down?
[01:03] <frink_> yeah :(
[01:04] <frink_> Fibre cut!
[01:04] <frink_> cut primary AND secondary !
[01:04] <frink_> like..
[01:04] <Daviey> was this you, or the datacentre?
[01:04] <frink_> well datacentre
[01:04] <laga> re
[01:04] <frink_> one got cut a day or so ago
[01:05] <frink_> and the other last night
[01:05] <Daviey> eek
[01:05] <Daviey> I hope they have compensation!
[01:06] <frink_> me too
[01:06] <frink_> lemme get an update
[01:07] <Daviey> frink_: Is this box a virtual machine, or a dedicated?
[01:10] <frink_> virtual but with dedicates resources on the host
[01:11] <frink_> the hosts are duel cpu quad core boxes with 8Gb ram
[01:11] <frink_> so each host gets 1-2 cpu and 1-2Gb ram and dedicated storage
[01:11] <frink_> Then when it needs more, it's an easy job to add more virtual machines and load balance then.
[01:31] <Daviey> frink_: nice
[01:40] <bendailey> Daviey: ping
[01:40] <Daviey> pooooooooooooon
[01:40] <Daviey> g
[01:41] <bendailey> I caught my name on scroll back something about my mirrors?
[01:41] <Daviey> not from me
[01:42] <bendailey> Were you around when they were talking about it?
[01:42] <Daviey> nope
[01:42] <Daviey> it was 5:00am my time
[01:42] <Daviey> :)
[01:42] <bendailey> comment was from superm1 I will have to wait until he gets up :)
[01:42] <bendailey> could be awhile :)
[01:43] <Daviey> heh
[01:43] <Daviey> bendailey: I think we should consider putting the redirect script into bzr
[01:43] <Daviey> I'm looking to add some 'pre-probing' to see if the file (and mirror) is there and working
[01:44] <bendailey> Daviey: that would be great
[01:45] <bendailey> I would change the tables around a little bit and store the probing results into the load balance pool is regenerated then check all the host again
[01:45] <bendailey> s/into/until/
[01:45] <bendailey> wow just got to work and my brain is only at about 40% right now sorry
[01:47] <Daviey> erm..
[01:47] <Daviey> I was thinking about probing at run time
[01:47] <Daviey> do you think pre doing it would be better?
[01:48] <bendailey> have you looked at how the script works?
[01:48] <Daviey> yeah.. fundamentally it's quite similar to my orig
[01:48] <Daviey> but cleaner :)
[01:48] <Daviey> and obv. DB support
[01:48] <bendailey> well it could be a lot cleaner things should be moved to functions :)
[01:49] <Daviey> functions are for people that can't handle real life
[01:49] <Daviey> well.. what i was looking to do...
[01:49] <Daviey> shall we take this to #-dev ?
[01:49] <bendailey> yeah that would be good
[02:40] <AnRkey> has anyone managed to run mythbuntu on an xbox?
[02:40] <AnRkey> don't all shout back at once :D
[02:41] <laga> :>
[02:41] <laga> <- i dont
[02:51] <Daviey> AnRkey: there shouldn't be a problem
[02:51] <Daviey> but...
[02:51] <directhex|work> Daviey, 64mb ram isn't a problem?
[02:51] <Daviey> I would run Xebian personally
[02:52] <Daviey> directhex|work: Well.. Is it a problem to XFCE?
[02:52] <directhex|work> it's a problem to mythfrontend on top of xfce, i'd have thought
[02:52] <Daviey> http://wiki.xfce.org/minimum_requirements
[02:53] <Daviey> directhex|work: possibly.. i don't know for sure... I'd suggest suck it and see
[02:53] <directhex|work> i have no desire to suck things!
[02:53] <Daviey> I mean, if Xebian+Myth can run - then it should
[02:53] <directhex|work> anyway, who uses an xbox as a frontend these days? it's all about the ps3!
[02:53] <Daviey> cheap people :D
[02:58] <laga> re
[02:58] <laga> messing with the tv's service mode is scary. i managed to make it turn off itself hard by overloading some transformator, it seems
[02:59] <Daviey> laga: what is "re" you always use it!  "Regular Expression?"
[03:00] <laga> it means "i'm back" :)
[03:02] <Daviey> you crazy bunch
[03:02] <laga> i've been using that for 8 years or so now and almost noone complains ;)
[03:03] <Daviey> I was laying in bed the other night, and thought to myself - what the heck does it mean!?
[03:07] <laga> it's so cute that you think of me when you're in bed
[03:10] <samson--> scary
[03:10] <samson--> laga: re2thee
[03:10] <AnRkey> yeah, been reading further. I don't think there is much hope
[03:11] <AnRkey> I love the distro though
[03:12] <AnRkey> Looks like my little xbox's days are numbered
[03:12] <AnRkey> mwhuhahhahaha
[03:12] <laga> maybe you can get away with ubuntu-mythtv-frontend which uses openbox
[03:12] <laga> AnRkey: use xbmc? although it's a bit illegal i hear
[03:12] <Daviey> not illegal.. just used stolen tools to create it
[03:15] <Daviey> AnRkey: If you post me your XBox - i can test it for you.. Sadly we offer a no-returns policy tho
[03:16] <AnRkey> i have xbmc at the moment
[03:16] <Daviey> But you'll know whether it works for future ones
[03:16] <AnRkey> it does not do enough though
[03:16] <Daviey> AnRkey: I'd use Xebian personaly
[03:16] <AnRkey> Daviey, thanks for the offer :P
[03:17] <Daviey> Will you require the postal address :D
[03:17] <AnRkey> i am going to ditch the xbox me thinks
[03:17] <AnRkey> which loony bin are you at?
[03:17] <AnRkey> haha
[03:17] <AnRkey> thanks for the info though
[03:18] <AnRkey> i am gonna play with mythbuntu this weekend a bit more before i choose
[03:34] <frink_> lol
[03:53] <superm1> frink_, is there an eta when things will be alive again?
[03:53] <superm1> should we just take you out of the rotation?
[03:53] <superm1> or bendailey did you already?
[03:54] <bendailey> superm1: what is the problem?
[03:54] <superm1> uk.cdimages isn't up
[03:54] <bendailey> superm1: ok hmmm......
[03:54] <bendailey> superm1: is there a problem with my mirrors I noticed something last night?
[03:55] <superm1> bendailey, well i was pushing to yours the new images as frink_'s went down
[03:55] <laga> morning superm1
[03:55] <superm1> morning
[03:56] <bendailey> superm1:  I see
[03:57] <bendailey> do you want me to drop my mirrors and frinks mirror?
[03:57] <bendailey> did everyone else get the pull before the server went down?
[03:58] <superm1> well i'm not sure who else is all pulled right nwo
[03:58] <superm1> i was gone all of yesterday
[03:58] <bendailey> ok
[03:58] <bendailey> frink_: ping
[04:01] <laga> crap, i just dropped my channel table in mythtv-setup.
[04:03] <laga> time to get in front of a real computer to fix that
[04:12] <superm1> bendailey, can you sync to your two mirrors from us-tx? It appears it's got full images: http://us-tx.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/
[04:23] <bendailey> superm1: do you know who runs us-tx?
[04:25] <superm1> keescook
[04:32] <Daviey> us-ca and cdimages are uptodate
[04:32] <Daviey> erm actually
[04:32] <Daviey> they aint.. just amd64
[04:34] <superm1> well i just double checked the md5's on keescook's mirror, they are indeed good
[04:35] <superm1> Daviey, so if you can grab i386 from there
[04:35] <superm1> go for it
[04:36] <tgm4883> bendailey, did I get put in the rotation?
[04:38] <superm1> tgm4883, it appears not yet.
[04:38] <tgm4883> oik
[04:38] <tgm4883> i'm fully synced with the beta and rc isos
[04:39] <superm1> tgm4883, okay great, bendailey can you add him?
[04:40] <superm1> okay so remaining to update are us-az, us-mi, us-il, us-ca, cdimages., and uk.
[04:40] <superm1> hm that sounds like a lot that are still missing things
[04:40] <superm1> us-il isn't even marked as active right now
[04:40] <superm1> foxbuntu, is it good to go or not?
[04:41] <tgm4883> how easy is it to add and subtract mirrors from the rotation?
[04:43] <superm1> well turning them on/off is easy
[04:43] <superm1> i dont know how to add them
[04:43] <tgm4883> heh, thats what I meant
[05:08] <bendailey> tgm4883: I can add your mirror to the db. what is the baseurl of the isos?
[05:09] <superm1> http://osuosl.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/
[05:13] <bendailey> osuosl.cdimages is now in and active :)
[05:14] <superm1> bendailey, can you sync us-az and us-mi still?
[05:15] <bendailey> I will have to pull them down and them upload them
[05:16] <superm1> okay so for now we'll turn those two off
[05:16] <bendailey> superm1: do you have shell on mirror where you can do direct upload?
[05:16] <superm1> bendailey, that's the mirror that is down :(
[05:16] <superm1> uk
[05:16] <bendailey> ok yeah I thought you might have access to a different one
[05:17] <superm1> that's the only one with your info afaik.
[05:19] <bendailey> yeah i have the script and config file around if someone wanted to do it but I can just disable my mirrors for right now and get the isos pushed by hand
[05:21] <superm1> bendailey, well if you give it to Daviey
[05:21] <superm1> he can probably push from cdimages.
[05:22] <bendailey> Daviey: ping
[05:22] <bendailey> sorry biab
[05:26] <Daviey> bendailey: bong
[05:27] <Daviey> i can push you the iso's if you want
[05:32] <beavis> is there  a way to see if a backend is recording from the command line?
[05:33] <beavis> they use fuser /dev/video* here, but is there something more reliable for DVB? http://blog.vrplumber.com/810#comments
[05:34] <beavis> I just try to find a way to see the mythtv recording status in system tray
[05:34] <bendailey> Daviey: pushing the isos would be great
[05:50] <superm1> beavis, there is an xml feed you can parse
[05:50] <superm1> that mythbackend puts out
[05:51] <beavis> there was a way to see the status which also is used by mythwelcome
[05:51] <beavis> but I can't remember what it was
[05:55] <directhex|work> superm1, via http on some random port iirc
[05:55] <directhex|work> 6482 or somesuch
[06:17] <superm1> torrents are up there too.
[06:20] <pdragon> woo
[06:20] <pdragon> just do a dist-upgrade if we have beta?
[06:20] <superm1> yeah
[06:21] <superm1> you may need to rm ~/.cache, but things should work otherwise with the dist-upgrade
[06:21] <pdragon> cool. will do it tonight when i get home
[06:21] <laga> w00t
[06:23] <laga> tgm4883: you must really like your remote
[06:31] <pdragon> superm1: I've been getting that same message from apt-get about removable packages
[06:31] <superm1> pdragon, what did you change?
[06:31] <superm1> pdragon, add/remove during install
[06:32] <pdragon> only thing i changed in advanced setup what turning on NFS, and setting mysql to allow for remote front-ends
[06:32] <superm1> sure that was it?
[06:32] <pdragon> can't remeber if samba was checked by default
[06:32] <pdragon> if it wasn't i did check that too
[06:32] <pdragon> I set a mythweb and mysql admin password
[06:32] <pdragon> i think that's it
[06:33] <pdragon> mysql root password i mean
[06:33] <superm1> okay we'll have to investigate once more between now and final release
[06:33] <superm1> which release did you start out with?
[06:33] <pdragon> beta
[06:33] <superm1> and dist-upgrade through
[06:33] <superm1> ok
[06:33] <pdragon> i started with beta and did 2 or 3 updates with it
[06:34] <pdragon> those packages started showing up like that after the first update
[06:34] <superm1> pdragon, can you add this to the bug, i know i'm going to forget by the time i get to investigate
[06:35] <pdragon> sure. i'll just paste this conversation
[06:35] <keescook> superm1: back.  (was something wrong with my mirror?)
[06:37] <superm1> keescook, your mirror is fine :)
[06:37] <superm1> keescook, uk.cdimages went down yesterday, so you were the complete one that a bunch of other mirrors synced from
[06:53] <keescook> superm1: heh.  okay.  I had noticed that uk went down -- was going to ask about that today.
[06:53] <superm1> keescook, apparently somehow the fibre that was connected to frink_ 's datacentre got cut.
[06:53] <keescook> owwwwch
[06:53] <superm1> so no eta on it, but since we have osuosl.cdimages now, shouldn't be too much of a worry
[06:54] <bendailey> superm1: do you want osuosl to be in rotation for the uk?
[06:54] <superm1> bendailey, yeah that'd be good
[06:54] <tgm4883_laptop> digg article?
[06:55] <superm1> keescook, have you done any dist-upgrades with lirc installed already?  I just realized that there may be some breakage since you need the new REMOTE="" in the new file, so if you don't let it update your conf file things may break
[06:55] <keescook> superm1: I didn't try, no.
[06:55] <superm1> keescook, so perhaps need to add something to that last bit before you push that other debdiff from a few days
[06:55] <superm1> keescook, okay i'll see if i can get a feisty install done and ready for a dist-upgrade and experiment a bit
[06:55] <keescook> but lirc never works for me without lots of fiddling, so I think gutsy will still be an improvement.
[06:56] <keescook> superm1: based on what I've seen going in post-RC, I'm ... unsure ... if we can get the lirc through.  It may take some convincing.
[06:56] <keescook> but if you have an updated debdiff, let me know soon.
[06:56] <superm1> well if dist-upgrading is broken, i think that'd be enough convincing right there
[06:56] <superm1> the bug filed last night is what got me worried
[07:17] <tgm4883_laptop> if you love mythbuntu, then digg it !!!
[07:20] <pdragon> just curious... do you know when they expect mythtv .21? I really like that Storage Group option
[07:20] <tgm4883_laptop> probably not before gutsy release
[07:21] <pdragon> i figured that. just wondering if it's still months away (hardy) or looking sooner
[07:22] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1 may know more
[07:22] <pdragon> would you guys work that into an update before hardy, or wait til then?
[07:22] <pdragon> if it came out sooner
[07:24] <superm1> it would be in an update before hardy
[07:24] <superm1> likely
[07:24] <superm1> but i can't guarantee that
[07:25] <pdragon> alright. thanks :)
[07:26] <pdragon> i know the general ubuntu distro doesn't usually put new versions of software in until the next version. didn't know if you were going to be following the same policy
[07:32] <tgm4883_laptop> pdragon, why haven't you dugg it yet?
[07:32] <tgm4883_laptop> keescook, is your mouse broken, digg it
[07:32] <pdragon> don't have a digg account :/
[07:32] <keescook> I don't think I do either.  :P
[07:33] <tgm4883_laptop> http://digg.com/register
[07:33] <superm1> haha tgm4883, our local marketing coordinator
[07:37] <tgm4883_laptop> thats right
[07:37] <tgm4883_laptop> if you pm me your email, i can even sign you up
[07:45] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop: naa, use a spare you account you have
[07:45] <Daviey> Then pm keescook the password
[07:46] <tgm4883_laptop> Everyone Digg it
[07:46] <tgm4883_laptop> Koffa, time to digg it
[07:46] <tgm4883_laptop> Wy_, Digg it
[07:46] <tgm4883_laptop> did I mention that tazgodx should digg it?
[07:46] <tgm4883_laptop> Aval0n, should also digg it
[07:46] <tgm4883_laptop> claydoh, if you like mythbuntu, then digg it
[07:47] <Daviey> and if you don't, digg it anyway
[07:47] <tgm4883_laptop> bieb, bliffle.  Both of you should digg it
[07:47] <tgm4883_laptop> iuaudio_, if you are alive, then digg it
[07:47] <bieb> digg what?
[07:47] <tgm4883_laptop> cann, can you digg it?
[07:48] <tgm4883_laptop> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_Release_Candidate_2
[07:48] <tgm4883_laptop> frink_, your day is not complete unless you digg it
[07:49] <tgm4883_laptop> directhex|work, are your working on digging it?
[07:49] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop: you are nuts!
[07:49] <tgm4883_laptop> killefiz, every time you don't digg it, god kills a kitten.  Please think of the kittnes
[07:50] <tgm4883_laptop> troy_s, needs to digg it
[07:50] <tgm4883_laptop> solarbaby, if you like the sun, then digg it.  If not, then digg it
[07:50] <tgm4883_laptop> sslashes, will get 50 lashes if you don't digg it
[07:51] <Koffa> time to die?
[07:51] <tgm4883_laptop> pdragon, needs to be saved from the firey dragon by digging it
[07:51] <tgm4883_laptop> no, time to digg it
[07:51] <tgm4883_laptop> safaricity___, if you like safari's, then digg it
[07:52] <Koffa> thank cras for ignore <3
[07:53] <tgm4883_laptop> maybe we should just ask mythbot
[07:53] <tgm4883_laptop> $diggit
[07:53] <mythbot> Why haven't you dugg it?  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_Release_Candidate_2
[07:53] <Daviey> and relax
[07:53] <tgm4883_laptop> safaricity, have you dugg it?
[07:56] <samson--> i digg myself
[07:56] <tgm4883_laptop> samson--, if you digg yourself, you should share the love and digg it
[07:57] <tgm4883_laptop> $diggit
[07:57] <mythbot> Why haven't you dugg it?  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_Release_Candidate_2
[08:10] <therethinker> Hey
[08:10] <therethinker> Whoo
[08:10] <therethinker> *diggs Mythbuntu*
[08:10] <tgm4883_laptop> bout time :)
[08:12] <Daviey> better late than never
[08:12] <superm1> late?
[08:13] <therethinker> oh well :P
[08:13] <therethinker> 6 diggs... whoo :P
[08:14] <Daviey> thats pants
[08:23] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[08:23] <tgm4883_laptop> $mythbot tell tgm4883 to digg it
[08:23] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "please don't", sorry.
[08:23] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[08:23] <therethinker> Oh, it works like
[08:23] <therethinker> tell tgm4886 to digg it
[08:24] <therethinker> no $mythbot
[08:24] <therethinker> $ is only for lookup
[08:24] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "please don't", sorry.
[08:24] <therethinker> Or, you can set it as his todo
[08:24] <tgm4883_laptop> mythbot tell tgm4883 digg it
[08:24] <therethinker> $tgm4886 digg it
[08:24] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "tgm4886 digg", sorry.
[08:24] <therethinker> hmm...
[08:24] <therethinker> That's odd
[08:24] <tgm4883_laptop> you need tell?
[08:24] <therethinker> no, that's the todo list thing
[08:24] <superm1> tgm4883, digg it
[08:25] <therethinker> Although its not working... grahh debugs
[08:25] <superm1> like that?
[08:25] <superm1> $todo
[08:25] <mythbot> superm1, you need to none
[08:25] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, lets just use that
[08:25] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, tell tgm4883 digg it
[08:25] <superm1> $todo
[08:25] <mythbot> superm1, you need to none
[08:25] <pdragon> get on that none, superm1!
[08:25] <superm1> okay
[08:25] <superm1> have fun kids
[08:25] <therethinker> mythbot, remind tgm4886 to digg it
[08:26] <therethinker> tell tgm4886 to digg it
[08:26] <tgm4883_laptop> it's not going to pm me is it?
[08:26] <therethinker> no
[08:26] <therethinker> Oh well...
[08:26] <tgm4883_laptop> cause im not there
[08:26] <therethinker> I'll debug it
[08:26] <tgm4883_laptop> $diggit
[08:26] <mythbot> Why haven't you dugg it?  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_Release_Candidate_2
[08:27] <tgm4883_laptop> $therethinker diggit
[08:27] <mythbot> I'll tell therethinker to diggit
[08:27] <therethinker> Yeah... see...
[08:27] <tgm4883_laptop> interesting
[08:27] <therethinker> $todo
[08:27] <mythbot> therethinker, you need to diggit
[08:27] <therethinker> See?
[08:27] <therethinker> $laga do that
[08:27] <mythbot> I'll tell laga to do that
[08:27] <therethinker> $tgm4883 digg it
[08:27] <mythbot> I'll tell tgm4883 to digg it
[08:27] <therethinker> Oh, I was saying 6, not 3 :P
[08:28] <therethinker> tell tgm4883 to digg it
[08:38] <superm1> keescook, well in testing, the upgrade didn't fail with lirc installed and not accepting the new configuration, but i think that future dpkg-reconfigure's will not work properly without that REMOTE="" in it
[08:45] <keescook> superm1: how do you think it should be fixed?
[08:46] <superm1> keescook, i'm going to let this dist-upgrade finish 100 percent and then experiment a little more.
[08:46] <superm1> i imagine that a grep in hardware.conf
[08:46] <laga> $daily tgm4883_laptop
[08:46] <mythbot> /me throws tgm4883_laptop into a flaming pit, and forces him to answer questions on #ubuntu-mythtv without using me OR ubotu!
[08:46] <superm1> either that or checking the version in the postinst
[08:46] <therethinker> :P
[08:46] <superm1> and if its less than the one introduced for gutsy
[08:46] <superm1> cat >> some lines in
[08:47] <superm1> probably the later is the better idea
[09:04] <laga> yay, 11 diggs
[09:05] <therethinker> :P
[09:11] <superm1> keescook, well i guess it didn't break the dpkg-reconfigure.  it just doesn't work right in m-c-c the first time if they don't replace the config file
[09:20] <therethinker> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Support_free_software_Buy_this_copy_of_Windows_Vista_Ultimate -- that's doing quite well
[09:42] <pdragon> scaring myself... actually got a mail server with spam/virus scanning all up and working
[09:42] <tgm4883_laptop> $diggit
[09:42] <mythbot> Why haven't you dugg it?  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_Release_Candidate_2  Once you digg it.  Then comment it :)
[09:45] <therethinker> LO
[09:47] <therethinker> Sorry,, that was not meant to be "LO", or "LOL" even
[09:48] <tgm4883_laptop> since you made a typo, you must now comment it
[09:52] <tgm4883_laptop> $hello
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[09:53] <MythbuntuGuest40> Hi! Is there a way to add program to start with mythtvs frontend? I want to use anyremote together with my cell phone to handle mythtvs frontend. soo, is there a way do add a command when mythtv starts att login?
[09:53] <tgm4883_laptop> you could add it to the session startup
[09:54] <MythbuntuGuest40> yes, but nor gnome och kde starts
[09:54] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest40, Xfce allows the same thing
[09:54] <superm1> $hello
[09:54] <mythbot> Welcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv.  Please state your question or comment.
[09:54] <MythbuntuGuest40> I'm directy forwarde to mythtv
[09:55] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest40, right, you close mythtv and you're presented with a desktop
[09:55] <superm1> and then you click the applications menu
[09:55] <MythbuntuGuest40> okey. just exit it?
[09:55] <superm1> and can change settings there
[09:55] <superm1> yup
[09:55] <MythbuntuGuest40> and add it to sessions?
[09:56] <MythbuntuGuest40> okey. I'll try that  out ;) thanks a lot
[09:56] <MythbuntuGuest40> :D
[09:56] <MythbuntuGuest59> can someone point me to documentation about setting up a myth box behind a digital cable box
[09:57] <MythbuntuGuest59> I'm pretty sure I have everything else working besides that
[09:57] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest59, with firewire?
[09:58] <MythbuntuGuest59> no, just a regular cable box
[09:58] <MythbuntuGuest59> I'm not able to pull a clear signal from it
[09:58] <MythbuntuGuest59> and I think the problem is the cable box
[09:59] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest59, how are you receiving the signal from the cable box?
[09:59] <MythbuntuGuest59> via coax
[09:59] <MythbuntuGuest59> it's coax in and out
[09:59] <tgm4883_laptop> right
[09:59] <tgm4883_laptop> but how do you get it to your computer?
[10:00] <MythbuntuGuest59> you mean the adaptor?
[10:00] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[10:00] <MythbuntuGuest59> it's an ATI TV Wonder 200
[10:00] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[10:00] <tgm4883_laptop> what kind of signal are you receiving?
[10:00] <tgm4883_laptop> is it fuzzy?
[10:00] <tgm4883_laptop> or what
[10:00] <MythbuntuGuest59> it's static
[10:01] <MythbuntuGuest59> it's not the discolored / fuzzy pic that TV wonders are notorious for... it's just static
[10:02] <tgm4883_laptop> are you tuned to channel 3?
[10:02] <tgm4883_laptop> on your tv card, not the cable box
[10:02] <MythbuntuGuest59> I'm not sure there
[10:02] <MythbuntuGuest59> how can you check / tell
[10:03] <tgm4883_laptop> when it goes to watch live tv, change it to channel 3
[10:03] <tgm4883_laptop> you should be able to use the guide to do so
[10:04] <MythbuntuGuest59> shoot... you know what, it might not matter right now because we had a power outage this morning and I think it blew my mythTV power supply
[10:05] <tgm4883_laptop> ?
[10:05] <laga> into real life, you know? ;)
[10:05] <pdragon> scary
[10:06] <tgm4883_laptop> real life is scary
[10:06] <tgm4883_laptop> don't do it laga
[10:06] <laga> no worries
[10:06] <MythbuntuGuest59> where I live there was a power outage and I think the power supply for that system is dead
[10:06] <tgm4883_laptop> (plus the ? was directed at MythbuntuGuest59
[10:06] <laga> i've got the INTARWEBS on my PDA
[10:06] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[10:06] <laga> including an IM and a SSH client
[10:06] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest59, you may want to get that checked out first
[10:07] <MythbuntuGuest59> lol... yeah
[10:07] <MythbuntuGuest59> :-)
[10:14] <therethinker> laga: cool
[10:14] <tgm4883_laptop> therethinker, comment it :)
[10:15] <therethinker> tgm4883_laptop: what?
[10:15] <tgm4883_laptop> $diggit
[10:15] <mythbot> Why haven't you dugg it?  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_Release_Candidate_2  Once you digg it.  Then comment it :)
[10:15] <therethinker> Oh
[10:15] <tgm4883_laptop> im glad you asked
[10:19] <therethinker> okay
[10:19] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[10:19] <therethinker> I had no idea what to say :P
[10:19] <MythbuntuGuest59> strange... must have just set the power supply to "broken" because it miracuously started working
[10:19] <tgm4883_laptop> I have canned responses if you need them :)
[10:20] <tgm4883_laptop> in -dev
[10:21] <therethinker> doy
[10:21] <therethinker> forgot to join dev
[10:21] <MythbuntuGuest59> about setting the card to channel 3, my card doesn't detect any channels at all so I'm not sure if I can...
[10:22] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest59, 2 questions
[10:22] <MythbuntuGuest59> sure
[10:22] <tgm4883_laptop> 1)  If you scan the channels, it should show up with 1 (channel 3, providing the cable box is on and tuned to a good channel)
[10:22] <tgm4883_laptop> 2)  Does that card even work in linux?
[10:23] <therethinker> superm1: can you help me get my card working? We started working on it... then one of us had to go
[10:23] <therethinker> tgm4883 already tried
[10:23] <therethinker> Its stuck on 1 channel? I think I need to setup the change command
[10:23] <therethinker> $hello
[10:23] <mythbot> Welcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv.  Please state your question or comment.
[10:23] <MythbuntuGuest59> 1) it doesn't detect a channel and 2) I've seen several sites claiming the TV Wonder 200 works under linux
[10:24] <MythbuntuGuest59> so I would assume so to #2
[10:24] <MythbuntuGuest89> hi, again. I was here before regarding autostart of programs via sessionstart, but it cant be done!
[10:24] <MythbuntuGuest59> and that's under ubuntu
[10:24] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest59, sec
[10:25] <MythbuntuGuest59> sure
[10:26] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest59, have you tried it outside of mythtv?
[10:27] <MythbuntuGuest59> actually no, not yet
[10:28] <tgm4883_laptop> test it outside first
[10:28] <MythbuntuGuest59> will do
[10:30] <MythbuntuGuest89> how do I close myhtv and return to mythtvs accounts desktop?
[10:34] <MythbuntuGuest89> hello?
[10:34] <therethinker> Escape
[10:35] <MythbuntuGuest89> and then it comes back to login screen
[10:35] <MythbuntuGuest89> and when I try to login to the mythtv account I come back to mythtv-frontend
[10:38] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest89, alt+F2
[10:38] <tgm4883_laptop> then
[10:38] <tgm4883_laptop> xfce4-terminal i think
[10:38] <tgm4883_laptop> then you should be able to kill the frontend
[10:38] <MythbuntuGuest89> but I dont have xfce installed
[10:39] <MythbuntuGuest89> this install is from beta 2 of 7.04
[10:39] <MythbuntuGuest89> it uses openbox
[10:39] <MythbuntuGuest89> but if I login with the mythtv acc, wouldn mythtvs frontend start again?
[10:41] <tgm4883_laptop> we need to get you updated
[10:41] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest89, really i would recommend you upgrade from alpha2
[10:41] <superm1> it was really more of a proof of concept
[10:41] <superm1> a lot has changed since then
[10:44] <MythbuntuGuest89> well, I do upgrade the system regular
[10:44] <MythbuntuGuest89> okey
[10:44] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest89, what do you mean regular?
[10:45] <tgm4883_laptop> you need to apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:45] <tgm4883_laptop> and hopefully that will work
[10:46] <MythbuntuGuest89> yes, I know, I to that very often, I that makes more sense
[10:47] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest89, okay then what you need to do
[10:47] <superm1> is log out of the system
[10:47] <superm1> and log into the "mythbuntu" session
[10:47] <superm1> and from there, apt-get install mythbuntu-desktop
[10:47] <therethinker> so, can someone help me out?
[10:47] <MythbuntuGuest89> I'm doing a dist-upgrade now.
[10:48] <superm1> therethinker, i think you're beyond help.
[10:48] <superm1> ;)
[10:48] <therethinker> $whack superm1
[10:48] <mythbot> /me whacks superm1
[10:48] <therethinker> Anyway... can someone?
[10:48] <superm1> therethinker, what u need?
[10:49] <therethinker> Its stuck on 1 channel. I think I need to setup the change command
[10:49] <MythbuntuGuest89> I'm connected as Holmen_ instead
[10:49] <Holmen_> here I am
[10:49] <tgm4883_laptop> $diggit
[10:49] <superm1> external adapter?
[10:49] <mythbot> Why haven't you dugg it?  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_Release_Candidate_2  Once you digg it.  Then comment it :)
[10:50] <Holmen_> how do I login to mythubuntu session?
[10:50] <therethinker> Because I can change the default channel, and it changes... but it won't change from within mythtv
[10:50] <superm1> Holmen_, with the beta and rc you are always logged into it
[10:50] <superm1> Holmen_, just quit mythtv frontend if you need to modify other stuff
[10:50] <tgm4883_laptop> home time
[10:51] <superm1> or open up the control centre from within the frontend
[10:51] <superm1> therethinker, what hardwaer?
[10:52] <therethinker> superm1: it's a PVR150 -- directly to cable line, no external channel changer
[10:52] <Holmen_> ah, so mythubuntu sessions is really the mythtv-frontend that I'm directy shown for when I boot up the pc?
[10:52] <superm1> Holmen_, exactly
[10:52] <superm1> therethinker, have you checked the consistency of your database?
[10:52] <superm1> it sounds as though there may be mysql corruption
[10:53] <therethinker> superm1: Hmm... do I just skim it, or is there some tool...
[10:53] <superm1> therethinker, easiest way i've always done is phpmyadmin
[10:53] <superm1> it can check all your tables
[10:53] <therethinker> K, that's what I'm about to do
[10:53] <superm1> actually mcc
[10:53] <superm1> might have an optimize and repair function
[10:54] <superm1> didn't YOU add that? :)
[10:54] <therethinker> Its not gutsy, so I can't
[10:54] <Holmen_> superml, okey
[10:54] <therethinker> :P
[10:54] <superm1> Holmen_, and if you go to the settings menu, you'll find a 'mythbuntu' item listed there too, so you dont have to quit the frontend if you dont want to
[10:54] <Holmen_> superml, so I should be able to fix this session problem when Im done with dist-upgrade?
[10:54] <therethinker> what exactly am I looking for?
[10:54] <superm1> Holmen_, which session problem?
[10:55] <superm1> therethinker, in phpmyadmin?
[10:55] <therethinker> yeah...
[10:55] <superm1> there is a way to 'repair' tables
[10:55] <therethinker> Oh
[10:55] <superm1> you'll have to look around
[10:55] <superm1> i dont know it offhand
[10:55] <therethinker> Seems vaugely familiar...
[10:55] <superm1> but you select your db and then the functionality is around
[10:55] <superm1> i say just upgrade to gutsy though.
[10:55] <superm1> :)
[10:55] <therethinker> :p
[10:55] <therethinker> I will in a few days ;-)
[10:56] <Holmen_> superml, well it isnt a problem really, but I want to add a program to autostart with mythubuntu session
[10:56] <therethinker> lets see, I hit repair
[10:56] <superm1> Holmen_, oh you were the guy just here?
[10:56] <superm1> as a mythbuntugeust?
[10:57] <superm1> *guest
[10:57] <Holmen_> haha, yes, that was me
[10:57] <superm1> yeah well once you quit the frontend, you'll be at a desktop and you can choose that applications menu
[10:58] <superm1> er
[10:58] <superm1> once you pick that mythbuntu session, you can progress forward
[10:58] <superm1> i forgot you were in the old way of doing things
[10:58] <Holmen_> superml,  great!
[10:59] <therethinker> Wow, its in color now...
[10:59] <therethinker> but still only 1 channel
[10:59] <Holmen_> superml, well I heavent checked out mythubnutuswebsite for a while now
[10:59] <superm1> Holmen_, well alot has changed
[10:59] <superm1> between alpha 2 and rc
[10:59] <superm1> we've got a lot of new toys and functionality
[11:00] <Holmen_> superml, what has been the greates change?
[11:00] <Daviey> superm1: are you happy to advise an upgrade from a2 to rc?
[11:01] <superm1> i don't advise it, but i'll try to help with it
[11:01] <Daviey> Holmen_: mythcontrol centre... dropping openbox in favour of XFCE (Xubuntu)
[11:01] <superm1> i mean i know there are a lot of things that can get messed up
[11:01] <Wy|laptop> superm1: any details on how the irda autoconfigure is supposed to work?
[11:01] <therethinker> Yeah, so I'm halfway there
[11:02] <Daviey> Holmen_: check out mythbuntu.org, each Alpha release has stated the changes
[11:02] <Holmen_> okey! do you know why they changed to xfce or re you guys maybe one of the programmers?
[11:02] <Holmen_> thanks! I will check it ouy
[11:02] <superm1> Holmen_, that's us yeah.  because its easier for most people to use
[11:02] <Wy|laptop> I've got my iMon (silverstone MFP51) working but the the keymapping really, really blows.
[11:03] <superm1> and we can add wireless networking support
[11:03] <Daviey> Holmen_: We changed as openbox was too basic for many of the users.. and the lack of a docking bar, made wireless difficult
[11:03] <superm1> it was about a 12 meg install size difference
[11:03] <superm1> and its only about 15-20 megs ram usage difference
[11:04] <Holmen_> ah, so you were only using openbox session and not, ex. openbox-gnome-session?
[11:04] <Holmen_> oh, thats teriffic!
[11:05] <superm1> yeah this is much easier
[11:05] <superm1> Holmen_, if you're comfortable doing so, i would recommend just doing a fresh install of today's RC
[11:05] <superm1> it will save you a lot of hassle i think
[11:06] <Wy|laptop> or passing on settings to the various myth-modules
[11:06] <MythbuntuGuest59> suprml, do you know if the ATI TV Wonder 200 supported by default under Mythbuntu? I know it's *supported* but it sometimes "has problems" detecting and there is very little documentation about getting it to work.
[11:07] <Holmen_> superml, that has crossed my mind, but I think im going to try to fix it after the dist-upgrade and if that doesnt to the trick I will do a fresh install
[11:07] <Wy|laptop> if I set my main sound output to /dev/adsp (optical out), tv plays back properly, as does dvds.
[11:07] <Wy|laptop> However, mythstream and mythvideo play back through analog
[11:08] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest59: I tend to recommend Hauppauge rather than ATI
[11:08] <therethinker> Yeah, so I repaired all the tables, still stuck on a channel
[11:08] <MythbuntuGuest59> yeah... I found that out after I had ordered the card... I do know it works though
[11:08] <superm1> Wy|laptop, i've got some really wonky workarounds for digital audio out
[11:08] <superm1> Wy|laptop, i dont know which ones are necessary
[11:08] <superm1> but several in place
[11:08] <Wy|laptop> MythbuntuGuest: I'd recommend neither.
[11:09] <Wy|laptop> HDHomerun is pure awesome.
[11:09] <Wy|laptop> superm1: yeah, I'm familiar with alsa hacks, I just hate doing them if I can do them inside myth itself.
[11:09] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest59, it should be supported fine.  i haven't experimented with one myself since i don't own one
[11:09] <Daviey> Wy|laptop: and HDHomeRun works outside the US now?
[11:09] <superm1> but it should be autodetected and such
[11:10] <Wy|laptop> Daviey: hrm.. not sure, didn't know he was oconus
[11:10] <superm1> Wy|laptop, this is my favorite one: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/845/
[11:10] <superm1> that has gotten me the furthest from what i can recall
[11:10] <Daviey> superm1: how long has http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ been out?
[11:11] <superm1> i dunno
[11:11] <superm1> i just typed it by accident honestly :)
[11:11] <Daviey> new to me :)
[11:11] <superm1> i meant to type something else, but somehow crossed my thoughts
[11:11] <superm1> and did that
[11:11] <Wy|laptop> anyways, any suggestions on the lirc stuff?
[11:11] <therethinker> $pastebin
[11:11] <mythbot> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://pastebin.ubuntu.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste!)
[11:12] <MythbuntuGuest59> superml, is that supported as a V4L captuer card in the backend?
[11:12] <Daviey> therethinker: s/org/com
[11:12] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest59, yeah its supported by v4l-dvb project so there is no reason it shouldn't be
[11:13] <superm1> Wy|laptop, if you dont like the config mythbuntu-lirc-generator made, fix mythbuntu-lirc-generator :)
[11:13] <superm1> or grab a lircrc from elsewhere
[11:14] <MythbuntuGuest59> superml, for some reason I'm still getting nothing but static under MythTV, is there any notable difference in backend settings when behind a digital cable box (coax in -> coax out, connected to the TV Wonder)?
[11:14] <therethinker> $pastebin
[11:14] <mythbot> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste!)
[11:14] <Daviey> Wy|laptop: is the a problem with the produced lircrc?
[11:15] <Wy|laptop> yeah. the keymappings are fooey.
[11:15] <Daviey> how so?
[11:15] <Wy|laptop> stuff is just randomly assigned all over the place
[11:15] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest59, the only thing that i would say is to make sure its tuned to channel 3/4.  If that doesn't help, go and make sure you have the right frequency table selected
[11:15] <superm1> for us-cable
[11:15] <superm1> not us-broadcast
[11:16] <Wy|laptop> the hardware is a http://www.soundgraph.com/Eng_/Products/oem3.aspx?topMenu=2&subMenu=1&leftMenu=43 (OEM type A)
[11:16] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest59, which would be in mythtv-setup
[11:16] <Wy|laptop> I also haven't started on getting the actual display working yet
[11:16] <Wy|laptop> but if you look at the remote, there's an analog pad there with some selection keys
[11:16] <superm1> Wy|laptop, the best way to solve it is to find a lircrc elsewhere, and file a bug against mythbuntu-lirc-generator
[11:17] <superm1> attach the lircd.conf its using and the lircrc
[11:17] <Daviey> Wy|laptop: You haven't really raised an issue IMO.. if you can be more specific raise a bug on LP
[11:17] <Wy|laptop> superm1: gotcha.
[11:17] <Daviey> superm1: dang.. you beat me to it
[11:17] <foxbuntu> Wy|laptop, if you can get all that information I can build a fix against it in the next several days
[11:17] <Wy|laptop> Davey: 'unusable key mappings' :P It's not a HUGE issue, and if all else fails I'll write my own
[11:18] <Holmen_> I will do a fresh install of Mythubuntu later
[11:18] <Daviey> I fail to understand what you mean by "unusable", either it works or it don't
[11:18] <foxbuntu> Wy|laptop, please provide a bug against the remote so we can fix it
[11:18] <Daviey> can you pastebin the lircrc?
[11:19] <Wy|laptop> Daviey: It works in that keypresses are activate functions in Myth. It's unusable, as in there's no rhyme or reason to where things are mapped.
[11:19] <Holmen_> Daviey, superml, thanks for all the help and info ;). you will probobly hear more from me. keep up the F* great work
[11:19] <Wy|laptop> but it does pick up the fact that there's a remote out there sending signals.
[11:19] <Daviey> Holmen_: keep us posted.. we like to hear success and bugs :)
[11:20] <Daviey> yes.. but not at top of the list atm
[11:20] <Holmen_> okey ;)
[11:20] <Wy|laptop> fair enough.
[11:20] <MythbuntuGuest40> hi, just installed mythbuntu wondering if anyone can help in accessing a windows share on another machine?
[11:20] <Daviey> Wy|laptop: I have a LCD, but more pressing things are holding me back atm
[11:21] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest40, what do you need help with
[11:21] <Wy|laptop> MythbuntuGuest40: there's no easy way
[11:21] <Wy|laptop> smbmount is your best bet right now
[11:22] <MythbuntuGuest40> i have some setup files on a nas in standard ubuntu i just click on the connect to network icon but that is not present.
[11:22] <Daviey> .. gone
[11:22] <MythbuntuGuest40> i will give smbmount a try - cheers
[11:22] <Wy|laptop> Sure, you need to mount it, though.
[11:23] <Wy|laptop> stick it into /var/lib/mythtv/videos music
[11:23] <Daviey> Wy|laptop: other way around... share mythbuntu to samba, and access via windows
[11:23] <Daviey> ... Really gone
[11:23] <MythbuntuGuest40> just installing smbmount now - unfortunately its a nas drive but it acts like a standard windows share
[11:24] <Wy|laptop> ah, nvm, thought he was trying to play back stuff from a windows share
[11:28] <MythbuntuGuest40> when specifying a mount point is there a trick i keep getting could not resolve mount point /data/nas
[11:29] <Wy|laptop> the format is usually smbmount //server/share mountpoint
[11:31] <tgm4883> $diggit
[11:31] <mythbot> Why haven't you dugg it?  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_Release_Candidate_2  Once you digg it.  Then comment it :)
[11:31] <therethinker> :P
[11:32] <foxbuntu> lol
[11:32] <foxbuntu> $duggit
[11:32] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "duggit", sorry.
[11:32] <tgm4883> haha
[11:32] <therethinker> $hug tgm4883
[11:32] <MythbuntuGuest40> does a mount point need to exist?
[11:32] <mythbot> If I had emotions, I'd laugh! No one would ever hug tgm4883!
[11:32] <tgm4883> looks like you better digg it again
[11:32] <therethinker> $whack "$diggit"
[11:32] <mythbot> OperationalError: near "$diggit": syntax error (file "/var/nas/phenny/modules/help.py", line 37, in f_chelp)
[11:33] <foxbuntu> $whack off
[11:33] <mythbot> /me whacks off
[11:33] <foxbuntu> oops
[11:33] <foxbuntu> thats still there
[11:33] <therethinker> So?
[11:33] <therethinker> $duggit
[11:33] <mythbot> tgm4883/tgm4883_laptop: WE GET IT! WE ALREADY DUGG IT!
[11:33] <foxbuntu> haha
[11:34] <tgm4883> haha nice
[11:34] <tgm4883> $mbot
[11:34] <mythbot> What is thy bidding, my master?
[11:34] <tgm4883> $diggit
[11:34] <mythbot> Why haven't you dugg it?  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_Release_Candidate_2  Once you digg it.  Then comment it :)
[11:34] <tgm4883> muahahahaha
[11:34] <therethinker> $duggit
[11:34] <mythbot> tgm4883/tgm4883_laptop: WE GET IT! WE ALREADY DUGG IT!
[11:34] <foxbuntu> muwhaa
[11:34] <therethinker> $tgm4883 stop telling people to diggit
[11:35] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest40: to mnt all shares.. something like
[11:35] <mythbot> I'll tell tgm4883 to stop telling people to diggit
[11:35] <Daviey> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/848/
[11:35] <foxbuntu> $muwhaa
[11:35] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "muwhaa", sorry.
[11:35] <therethinker> (tgm: $todo)
[11:35] <tgm4883> $todo
[11:35] <mythbot> tgm4883, you need to stop telling people to diggit
[11:36] <foxbuntu> $digg sucks
[11:36] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "digg sucks", sorry.
[11:36] <therethinker> Whoah, IT WOKRS
[11:36] <tgm4883> $mbot
[11:36] <mythbot> What is thy bidding, my master?
[11:36] <tgm4883> $todo
[11:36] <mythbot> tgm4883, you need to stop telling people to diggit, get more people to comment it, rule the world with mythbuntu, get foxbuntu to digg it again
[11:37] <Daviey> peace...
[11:37] <tgm4883> ah
[11:37] <therethinker> Thanks :-)
[11:37] <tgm4883> the quietness is so good
[11:37] <tgm4883> why is my arm shaking?
[11:38] <therethinker> Anyway... my TV is working :D
[11:38] <Daviey> tgm4883: dunno... have you dugg yet?
[11:38] <therethinker> ha, Saturn stole my trademark D:
[11:38] <therethinker> They have a commercial saying "Rethink"
[11:38] <tgm4883> !diggit
[11:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about diggit - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:38] <tgm4883> nooooooooooooooooooo
[11:39] <therethinker> Okay, hopefully this teaches you a lesson
[11:39] <therethinker> don't abuse the bot
[11:39] <MythbuntuGuest40> thanks - sorted smbmount
[11:39] <tgm4883> I will not abuse the box
[11:39] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest40: did my script work?
[11:39] <tgm4883> I mean the bot
[11:40] <therethinker> Suuurreeee...
[11:40] <tgm4883> Instead, I will abuse foxbuntu
[11:40] <Daviey> tgm4883: with that gap in his teeth.. no thanks :)
[11:40] <therethinker> :P
[11:41] <therethinker> I could pretend to be the bot :P
[11:41] <therethinker> (don't abuse me...)
[11:41] <Daviey> therethinker: feel free to /invite the bot back
[11:41] <tgm4883> Daviey, it's only a gap if your poor.  If you're rich, then it's a distinguished smile
[11:41] <Daviey> eeek. hope we didn't upset foxy :O
[11:41] <MythbuntuGuest40> sorry i missed it - my problem was i was not specifying a correct share of the nas
[11:42] <MythbuntuGuest40> if i have a suggest for an addition to mythbuntu control centre where do i put it?
[11:43] <Daviey> raise a bug against it
[11:43] <Daviey> maybe add [wishlist]  to the bug
[11:43] <MythbuntuGuest40> thanks - launchpad then?
[11:44] <tgm4883> therethinker, you can bring mythbot back, i wont abuse
[11:45] <therethinker> Okay :-)
[11:46] <therethinker> :-)
[11:47] <MitoTranin> greetings all
[11:47] <therethinker> Hello!
[11:47] <MitoTranin> back from work... anything interesting happen?
[11:47] <therethinker> tgm was abusing the bot
[11:47] <therethinker> and I got my setup working
[11:47] <MitoTranin> "got my setup working"  meaning?
[11:48] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, why have you not dugg it?
[11:48] <MitoTranin> because I am anti-digg
[11:49] <MitoTranin> that, and I just got home
[11:49] <tgm4883> *gasp*
[11:49] <MitoTranin> haven't even seen the page yet :)
[11:49] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, if you don't digg, then you hate ubuntu and all things free
[11:49] <tgm4883> and kittens
[11:49] <tgm4883> and puppies
[11:49] <tazgodx> tgm4883: guess you want me to dig it?
[11:49] <therethinker> :P
[11:49] <tgm4883> yes!!!!
[11:50] <therethinker> Don't you dare say it...
[11:50] <tgm4883> therethinker, tell them where
[11:50] <tazgodx> lol
[11:50] <tgm4883> hehe
[11:50] <therethinker> *gulp...
[11:50] <tgm4883> if only someone had a link
[11:50] <tgm4883> hmmmmmm
[11:50] <therethinker> $diggit
[11:50] <mythbot> Why haven't you dugg it?  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_Release_Candidate_2  Once you digg it.  Then comment it :)
[11:50] <therethinker> AHH! Don't hurt me!
[11:50] <tgm4883> there ya go !!!
[11:50] <therethinker> tgm4883 was going wayy overboard
[11:51] <tgm4883> as the Mythbuntu Information Minister, I felt the need to let people know about mythbuntu
[11:51] <tgm4883> dont forget to comment it :)
[11:51] <therethinker> :P
[11:51] <tgm4883> biab
[11:52] <tazgodx> do i need to sign up to digg?
[11:52] <MitoTranin> yes, in order to digg, you have to be registered
[11:52] <MitoTranin> which is why I don't digg, because I refuse to register :)
[11:53] <therethinker> Why do you refuse?
[11:54] <MitoTranin> because.... I do...
[11:55] <tazgodx> i usually refuse to register for this too.
[11:55] <therethinker> They don't eat your brain...
[11:55] <therethinker> only the frontal lobe ;-)
[11:56] <Daviey> tgm4883: -dev
[11:57] <therethinker> So, how do you guys feel about the madeup stuff.. err I mean patents against linux?
[11:57] <tazgodx> dugg, and commented
[11:57] <Daviey> ta
[11:58] <therethinker> ti-ti
[11:58] <tazgodx> tu-tu
[11:58] <MitoTranin> therethinker: did you get the backup stuff into the rc in time for the rc?
[11:59] <therethinker> Nope
[11:59] <therethinker> I'm trying to work on it
[11:59] <superm1> therethinker, it's not going to happen in time for release
[11:59] <superm1> i got the last of our stuff uploaded today
[11:59] <superm1> we're in hard freeze
[12:00] <superm1> it will have to be deferred for hardy
[12:00] <therethinker> Yeah, I figured
[12:03] <MythbuntuGuest59> ok, here's the scoop with my box now, I still have nothing but static with no channels detected. My cable runs through a cable box to a coax input on an ATI TV Wonder 200. I have the backend set for us-cable frequency and the card is using the A4L driver. What COULD be wrong here?
[12:04] <therethinker> the cable works on a normal TV -- I've hit that problem before :P
[12:04] <therethinker> 15 or 14
[12:06] <MythbuntuGuest59> therethinker, the cable does work on a normal TV and the card is functional - those were both checked
[12:06] <therethinker> Do you get coherent sound?
[12:06] <MythbuntuGuest59> checking...
[12:06] <therethinker> Oh, did you set a video source? If you didn't, because you aren't going to pay, there's a "no" option -- just set it up
[12:08] <MythbuntuGuest59> I haven't subscribed to a pay source, but I did set a video source with "no grabber"
[12:09] <MythbuntuGuest59> no sound at all btw, but that may be due to a sound driver problem (it's an obscure built-on card)
[12:09] <therethinker> hmm
[12:10] <MythbuntuGuest59> and I do have it defaulting to channel 3 because it's behind a cable box
[12:12] <therethinker> you get nothing when scanning?
[12:12] <MythbuntuGuest59> I get a screen than says it's scanning, but no resulting channels
[12:12] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest59, what card again?
[12:13] <MythbuntuGuest59> ATI TV Wonder 200
[12:13] <MythbuntuGuest59> which I did verify as working - I was talking about this with you earlier tgm.
[12:14] <tgm4883_laptop> i know
[12:14] <tgm4883_laptop> i forgot
[12:14] <tgm4883_laptop> so it does work outside then
[12:14] <MythbuntuGuest59> outside of this box? - yes
[12:14] <tgm4883_laptop> no outside of mythtv
[12:14] <MythbuntuGuest59> yeah
[12:15] <tgm4883_laptop> so youve tested it in the same box outside of mythtv and gotten a clear channel?
[12:19] <therethinker> hello?
[12:19] <therethinker> Can anyone here me?
[12:19] <therethinker> *hear
[12:20] <therethinker> can anyone hear me?
[12:20] <therethinker> $lowspec
[12:20] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "lowspec", sorry.
[12:20] <therethinker> $specs
[12:20] <mythbot> Looking for recommended hardware specs?  Look no further than here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=570204
[12:21] <therethinker> Does anyone know how I can check specs over SSH?
[12:21] <therethinker> I assume its uname
[12:23] <MythbuntuGuest59> I can
[12:23] <therethinker> sorry, IRC got screwed up
[12:24] <MythbuntuGuest59> superm1, are you around?
[12:27] <tgm4883_laptop> therethinker, what are you trying to check?
[12:30] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest59, what's up?
[12:31] <MythbuntuGuest59> hey, I'm still getting nothing but static and I was wondering if there is any utility with Mythbuntu to check the feed it's getting outside of the frontend
[12:31] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest59, yeah you can install xawtv
[12:31] <tgm4883_laptop> 
[12:31] <superm1> and check inside there
[12:31] <superm1> or tvtime
[12:32] <MythbuntuGuest59> will do ty
[12:32] <therethinker> tgm4883_laptop: I need to check the CPU
[12:32] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[12:32] <therethinker> how fast it is...
[12:32] <superm1> therethinker, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:32] <therethinker> thanks
[12:32] <tgm4883_laptop> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:32] <tgm4883_laptop> dang you superm1
[12:32] <tgm4883_laptop> dang speedy fingers
[12:32] <therethinker> :P
[12:32] <therethinker> Whoo, just under 800Mhtz
[12:32] <therethinker> (797.461)
[12:32] <superm1> well see that's not it, you need to get yourself one of those thought->keyboard converters
[12:33] <therethinker> Oh, I've been thinking of getting one
[12:33] <therethinker> Reduce RSI
[12:33] <therethinker> what's the file for RAM?
[12:33] <therethinker> I know there's proc/swap
[12:38] <therethinker> Hmm... so I have 256MB ram... and 800Mhz (PIII)... wow, so close to the 2nd bullet on that link
[12:38] <therethinker> s/2nd/3rd
[12:38] <therethinker> Where do you set the codec?
[12:39] <tgm4883_laptop> i think in mythtv setup
[12:41] <therethinker> Hmm... yeah, think I found it
[12:41] <therethinker> Since my card has a hardware encoder... I think... does that give me the extra 256MB boost? :P
[12:42] <therethinker> I'm also playing it back on a different computer... does that make it less or more intensive?
[12:49] <MythbuntuGuest59> latest scoop on the static problem - xawtv shows static too so it has to be driver or card configuration to blame.
[12:49] <MythbuntuGuest59> I did find someone with a similar problem here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=415587 but that question was never answered
[12:50] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest59, can you post your dmesg
[12:50] <superm1> and we can see if its improperly autodetected by chance?
[12:50] <MythbuntuGuest59> dmesg?
[12:51] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest59, if you can open up a terminal, and type:
[12:51] <superm1> dmesg
[12:51] <MythbuntuGuest59> ok
[12:51] <MythbuntuGuest59> simple enough
[12:51] <superm1> and then highlight all that text and paste it into a pastebin
[12:51] <superm1> !pastebin | MythbuntuGuest59
[12:51] <ubotu> MythbuntuGuest59: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:54] <MythbuntuGuest59> how would one go about getting that to the clibboard so I can post to pastebin
[12:54] <MythbuntuGuest59> or is there something specific I should look for
[12:54] <superm1> highlight the entire thing
[12:54] <superm1> and then hit <ctrl> <shift> c
[12:54] <superm1> and its copied
[12:55] <MythbuntuGuest59> I didn't think you could do that in terminal
[12:55] <superm1> open up ff, and then hit ctrl v on the pastebin you open
[12:55] <superm1> yeah you can
[12:55] <superm1> the key is the extra <shift>
[12:55] <superm1> also its copied to a different keyboard when you highlight it all, that you can paste using <middle click>
[12:55] <superm1> either of those will work
[12:56] <superm1> s/keyboard/clipboard
[12:58] <MythbuntuGuest59> hey, my terminal buffer is too short for that entire message... what's the command to increase the visable terinal size again
[12:59] <superm1> its in the menus at the top of the terminal
[12:59] <superm1> if you just want to grab the important parts of the output from dmesg, you can do 'dmesg | grep cx' .  I think that should handle it
[01:03] <MythbuntuGuest59> it's at 40462
[01:03] <MythbuntuGuest59> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[01:04] <superm1> [ 8274.188000]  tuner 0-0060: tuner type not set
[01:05] <superm1> that sticks out
[01:05] <superm1> you may want to try what was posted here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=338182
[01:06] <JacKnife> hey all, what is the key mythfilldatabase uses to get channel info from a schedules direct lineup?  Specifically, what column in the channel table maps to SD information?
[01:06] <MythbuntuGuest59> that's what I linked to earlier, but there were feisty users with ATI cards having problems with that
[01:06] <superm1> right you might still need that workaround though
[01:06] <superm1> doesn't hurt to try
[01:07] <MythbuntuGuest59> well... sometimes :-)
[01:07] <superm1> well that is easily reversible
[01:07] <superm1> should it cause troubles
[01:07] <superm1> JacKnife, i'm not sure exact column you need, why not just do it in mythtv-setup
[01:08] <JacKnife> i've removed and added my lineup a few times.  making sure to assign it to an input card each time.  mythfill database just isnt pulling down the info
[01:08] <JacKnife> i have two tuners, one is working fine, the other has no data.
[01:08] <JacKnife> the one tuner i have is antenna, channels are like 28.1, 28.2, etc..
[01:09] <JacKnife> but i noticed if i log into SD, and click report for my lineup the call sign and name are slightly off from my channels table records
[01:10] <JacKnife> i tried matching some of the info, but i dont want to mess with too much so i havnt tried too many things
[01:12] <superm1> JacKnife, you can modify stuff like that in mythtv-setup too though
[01:12] <superm1> under the channel editor section
[01:12] <superm1> rather than right on the sql tables
[01:12] <JacKnife> sure, let me try that
[01:14] <JacKnife> hey, one thing i see here is an XMLTV id, i can see that from my SD account.  I'm assuming this would be a good time to add it?
[01:15] <superm1> No
[01:15] <superm1> that is populated automatically
[01:15] <superm1> when the channel name is right
[01:15] <superm1> you can change the channel name there too
[01:15] <superm1> and the channel number if its wrong
[01:16] <JacKnife> well, thats the thing, from SD, the channel number is 28.  That is a conflict with an analog channel i have, and since this is a digital tuner i have channel 28.1
[01:16] <superm1> that should be fine
[01:16] <superm1> you need to make sure that the call sign is right though