=== claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-50-151.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === tgm4883_laptop [n=tgm4883@67.189.40.23] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === greener-uw_ [n=myth@c-24-18-240-226.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === gib [n=gib@c-24-118-4-13.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === bliffle [n=john@64-142-27-84.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:10] I'm tearing my hair out trying to get mythtv to work with a ADS PTV-305 tuner (hardware MPEG2 and uses blackbird drivers). [02:11] The kernel seems to load all the blackbird drivers, OK, and even says it uploads the firmware OK. === tgm4883_laptop_ [n=tgm4883@67.189.40.23] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:11] But when I choose "Watch TV" I get nothing but a blank screen. [02:13] I even ran mplayer /dev/video1 and it played the firt TV channel (2), so the kernel drivers must be OK. Not sure what the problem is with MythTV though. [02:15] gib, feisty or gutsy? [02:15] gutsy [02:17] I'm using MythBuntu, as a matter of fact, which uses xbuntu gusty as it's base. [02:30] gib: what do you have your tuner set to in myth-setup? === MythbuntuGuest57 [n=Mythbunt@pool-71-172-175-29.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:32] I've tried just about every combination, but right now I have it set to an MPEG2 card, because I want to use the hardware encoding. I assume that's the right choice. [02:33] and /dev/video1, since that's the one to use for the hardware encoder. [02:33] that's an HDTV card, right? [02:33] if so, then you don't want it to be mpeg2, you want it to be dvb === tgm4883_laptop_ is now known as tgm4883_laptop === mungewell [n=swoodkc@68.146.205.60] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:33] heh, good catch MitoTranin [02:34] HDTV *cannot* be put into mpeg2, it's just a straight data stream [02:34] mpeg2 is for analog recordings [02:34] No, it's analog [02:34] are you sure you have the right model above then? [02:34] the mythtv page for that card mentions it as HDTV: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ADS_Tech_Instant_TV_Deluxe_-_PTV305 [02:35] sorry, no, I read that wrong [02:35] Hi all. So I check out the LCDproc status of mythbuntu.... just as bad as Mythdora :-( Thinking some more today (ie. without access to machine) does MythTV support mouse/touchscreen control? [02:35] it says that if you have this card, your HDTV card won't work [02:35] I assumed that meant that this card was HDTV, but re-reading it, it sounds like it could be the other way around [02:36] I already read the wiki, that's why I bought the card. It made it sound like the like the only issue to worry about was to get the firmware loaded, and that seems to have happened form the dmesg output [02:36] mungewell: MythTV does allow you to press buttons with a mouse, yes [02:36] but as far as I know, there's no interface for changing channels etc via mouse [02:37] dunno,... brb, gotta put a kid in bed [02:37] MitoTranin: so.... using VNC on a touch screen portable would work? [02:38] I don't have TV input, just play pre-recorded media and internet streams. [02:42] mungewell: if you can get a touchscreen that has arrow keys it should work [02:42] (not many, but some will have a small touchpad for directional keys) [02:44] gib: sounds like you're getting the same as this guy then? http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2007-July/188305.html === tgm4883_laptop_ [n=tgm4883@67.189.40.23] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:46] Yes, I am. [02:46] I haven't checked my mythbackend.log file though. Where is that located? [02:46] uh... my best suggestion would be to email him and see if he ever figured it out then, because I don't see anyone posting a solution for it [02:47] gib: /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log [02:47] I guess I'd better. It sucks having a card that's not common. [02:48] But I don't have lots of choices in low profile cards with hardware encoders. [02:48] yep... I'm kinda in the same boat [02:48] got a great usb tuner that is said to be fully supported in mythtv etc [02:48] only to find out that it does have awesome mythtv support... built right into the myth-setup options... [02:49] but the linux drivers for it haven't been updated in over a year and don't work anymore [02:49] I can't even use usb because it don't even have 2.0 on that machine. [02:49] yeah, unless a lot of users use it, it can get broken and go unnoticed by any dev. [02:50] MitoTranin: In my mind I thinking more along the lines of a pen (or finger) interface. Probably not supported at present, but would make one hell of a remote control that mirrored the menus seen on the screen and when playing TV/Video would present a simple interface to allow jumping to location/etc. [02:50] mungewell: why not use a remote that does that? [02:51] you can program palm pilots to be remotes etc, that might work [02:51] The IR blaster that came with the card isn't working either, even though it's listed as a choice in the Mythbuntu setup. [02:52] 1. I'm too cheap to spend out on fancy devices.... 2. ... well that's about it ;-) [02:52] lol [02:52] I picked up my remote for a whole $9 [02:52] and it has *decent* (but not great) support [02:53] What kind is it? [02:53] (BUT, a disclaimer, I haven't gotten it working yet because I keep having problems with my IR receivers) [02:53] I'd like to get a low power device which would enable my to navigate MythTV without having the main screen turned on. Have a large DLP and don't want to run all day when listening to streams/audio and not good for it to turn on/off all the time. [02:53] http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/One_For_All_URC-6131 [02:53] the one on the right [02:54] ah, I gotcha [02:54] so why not dual-monitor it with a cheap monitor and have it down behind the couch or something? [02:54] I'm happy to run an old Palm or Palmtop to connect wired or wireless to control the myth box. [02:55] the problem with a palm would be getting the display to show up on the palm [02:55] I must have missed that part, I thought you said you just wanted a touchscreen style remote interface [02:55] Power requirements is the main requirement. We're off grid and have to make every watt we use. [02:56] Yeah, my problem is with the receiver too. Don't think a driver is being loaded for it, which is funny since it's listed as an option in mythbuntu setup--figued it would be auto configured. [02:56] missed where you want the display to actually show up on the remote/palm/thingy [02:56] It's a usb ir blaster [02:56] MitoTranin: nope, that's what I was thinking. Don't need motion video, but do want menus. [02:56] gib: is your usb functional? [02:57] mungewell: but since the menus are dynamic, you do need it to be an actual display though... [02:57] Yeah, but it's only 1.1. Wouldn't want to use it for data transer, but it's fine for something like a remote. [02:57] If I push the idea really far, you could even do .Net VNC on cell phone connected via bluetooth. [02:58] http://www.vfmstore.com/m225.htm [02:58] how's that? [02:58] The usb detects it, I just don't think that triggers a kernel module to be loaded. [02:58] gib: you need to make sure that either hotplug or udev are working [02:58] and that the firmware for the ir-blaster is being properly loaded [02:59] and I'm not sure which module should be loaded. [02:59] MitoTranin: not bad... $99, what's that CDN? $80 ;-) [02:59] mungewell: if you used that for the display, you could then use a standard remote for the controling [03:00] or if you want wired, you could use a simple game-pad [03:00] well I could just modprobe it to see if it works. You know what driver I should use? [03:00] not a clue [03:00] sorry guys, gotta run for a bit... [03:01] MitoTranin: thanks for the help. I'll post the forums if I get anything working. [03:01] goodnight === [_Trimble_] [n=TrimbleE@166-82-144-214.quickclick.ctc.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === mungewell [n=swoodkc@68.146.205.60] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === therethinker [n=zach@c-76-24-122-94.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === foxbuntu [n=nfoxqci@12-216-16-102.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Alowishus [n=jpenix@fwsdo.projectdesign.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] [04:26] $daily foxbunut [04:26] $daily foxbuntu === mythbot [n=mythbot@c-76-24-122-94.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:28] $daily foxbuntu [04:28] /me throws foxbuntu into a flaming pit, and forces him to answer questions on #ubuntu-mythtv without using me OR ubotu! [04:34] therethinker, stop that [04:34] $poke therethinker [04:34] /me stabs therethinker violently with a rusty spoon === iuaudio_ [n=rob@c-71-231-158-161.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === NSVOE [n=NSVOE@68.225.100.63] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === NSVOE [n=NSVOE@68.225.100.63] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:46] hellow [04:46] anyone here [04:46] $ask [04:46] Although I didn't know, ubotu says: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) [04:47] can myth tv be use on 2 diffrent tv's at the same time by one box? [04:47] $hello [04:47] Welcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv. Please state your question or comment. === NSVOE [n=NSVOE@68.225.100.63] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:49] Welcome [04:49] You've got mail [04:50] waaah [04:50] ? [04:51] foxbuntu, we've got a live one [04:51] so yeah, can you do that [04:51] do what? [04:51] don't tell me you didn't see all of tha [04:51] nope [04:51] :/ [04:51] basicly [04:51] anyone know how the 'match duplicates using subtitles' feature works? Does it record the whole show, the check if its a duplicate? or does it stop the recirding at some point? And are the subtitles kept after a show is deleted? [04:51] one computer [04:52] 2 tvs [04:52] 2 remotes [04:52] and i want to watch tv and do stuff at the same time [04:52] on each tv [04:53] has it ben done [04:53] so you want to have the shows displaying on the desktop. And have each tv display the desktop and different shows? [04:54] kinds [04:54] kind of [04:55] it's a very complicated setup and I don't think there is much documentation. Some people have been successful in running dual screens and having mythtv show on one screen and keeping the desktop on the other [04:55] yes [04:56] i want each tv to basicly have their own control as if they had a seprate box there [04:57] hmm [04:57] granted i am not dumb i would have 2 graphics cards [04:57] nsvoe you are going to need to setup xineorama or something similar [04:57] yet you wont be able to use remotes [04:57] i dont' know if lirc can handle that [04:57] the cards come with remotes [04:57] and you can only spawn one mythfrontend session per machine [04:58] lirc can only handle one remote at a time [04:58] meaning one remote kernel mode running [04:58] well you can spawn a second mythfrontend, but you would need a way to seperate the audio [04:58] what about a virtual mechine with 2 linuxes [04:59] which could be done via seperate sound cards [04:59] I think it's more trouble than it's worth [04:59] i like yours better [04:59] NSVOE, you would be better off building a second machine [04:59] +1 for foxbuntu [05:00] i was hoping that myth tv would auto devide with 2 cards [05:00] NSVOE, help me visualize what your trying to accomplish [05:01] AFAIK there is no way that LIRC can send remote events to a specified mythfrontend [05:01] i'm watching tv in the den and my friend watching wresteling in another room [05:01] so you would lose your remote control unless you did it via keyboard [05:01] HD or SD? [05:02] not that it matters [05:02] basic tv [05:02] because it's definetly not happening with HD [05:02] and with SD, you should pick up a cheap 1 GHz machine to use as a frontend [05:02] it's really way more work than your thinking [05:03] what are your machine specs? [05:03] i'll build it, but it is going to be micro quiet atx [05:03] so that's what i am gathering at the moment [05:04] the specs [05:04] IMHO, it's not worth it then. You would have to literally buy two of almost everything anyway [05:04] but i was hoping i could pull off something special and use like a p4 or something [05:05] the few things that you would buy one of are motherboard, ram, cpu, ps [05:05] NSVOE, nope...MythTV was designed around the concept of Frontend and Backend devices for scability [05:05] then your seriously looking at hours of setup which isn't guarenteed to work anyway [05:06] and you won't get LIRC to do what you want [05:06] NSVOE, trust me on this one...I am a gluton for punishment and have tried several of the things you are talking about...the dual monitors alone can consume several hours of work [05:06] After the base install, I see an additional 20+ hours of research and work to get something to proof of concept state [05:07] which IMHO isn't exactly a state I would be happy with [05:07] ok i have 2 4 port hd vedio cards and onboard sound with extra hd audio [05:07] pci [05:07] build a basic backend server and a really cheap frontend and put a frontend on both [05:07] with a 700 gb hd [05:08] NSVOE, let me make this simple... [05:08] each vedio card has hardware acceleration [05:08] with upgraded memory [05:09] i have the hardware [05:09] i need the software [05:09] NSVOE, you are welcome to use our software to attempt to make it work, however you will not find support from us (i.e. spending lots of our time on this for you) to make it all work [05:09] ooh and i have 2 gig of mem [05:09] NSVOE, are you capable enough to code in python [05:10] absolutely [05:10] not [05:10] ok then [05:10] this is what you need to do [05:10] you have 2 options [05:10] i can't do much but i take direction well [05:11] i know huh [05:12] 2 boxes or hours of codeing that might break my cards [05:12] NSVOE, I don't mean to sounds like a prick, but the fact of the matter is this software was not designed what you want to do, and I don't refer to that as Mythbuntu but its peices...Lirc, MythTV, tuner drivers, or IR Driver [05:12] A) Install mythbuntu, setup xorg for dual x environments, setup each mythtv in a different account, setup each mythtv to use a different sound card. If you want remote support, then you will have to hire a programmer to make you a custom IR receiving program [05:13] B) make a seperate box for a second frontend [05:13] The biggest hurdle is setting up the dual environments [05:14] which will consume mucho ram [05:14] yes [05:14] what tuner cards? [05:14] just reading this... for A) you could use wireless keyboards instead of remotes and have this work. I have no idea how to separate the sound though. [05:15] well for one i could seperate the chanels [05:16] NSVOE, what TV tuners? [05:16] NSVOE: I've been reading a little while catching up on email etc... and let me make this one simple observation... [05:16] you said you have two 4-port HD tuner cards [05:17] um....the graphics card that have tv tuners n them one in port and 2 out ports [05:17] that costs a chunk of change... so you're obviously not short on cash. [05:17] NSVOE, what brand? [05:17] this means the reason for you to not do two frontends shouldn't be cost [05:17] NSVOE, what model? [05:17] even if it is, you said you were hoping to be able to use a P4 or something... well, that doesn't fit with your ultra-low noise that you wanted [05:18] not really i got them off of a guys computer that he had a chunck of change and didn't want them [05:18] NSVOE, are they all in wonder cards? [05:18] also, you can buy 2 VIA motherboards that can be ran fanless with built-in cpu's for cheaper than the cost of a single P4 motherboard+cpu combo [05:18] i'll need to see, i don't think so [05:19] MitoTranin, your mirror server ready to go? [05:20] you said that you take direction well... yet everyone has been suggesting, and some telling, you that what you are wanting to do is impractical, over-your-head technically, and very simply against the entire design of MythTV... [05:20] foxbuntu: yes, good to go [05:20] ok, i'm an IT, and i don't know that concept [05:20] did a manual rsync this afternoon [05:20] via motherboards [05:20] VIA motherboards [05:20] VIA is a company that makes chipsets etc === tgm4883 sighs [05:20] they also make motherboards with built-in processors [05:20] MitoTranin, great thanks [05:21] like via the train via the the server room on fire [05:21] MitoTranin, sorry...superm1 has be being his mirror nazi tonight [05:21] oooh [05:21] foxbuntu: not a problem :) it's important that everyone is synced up for tomorrow :) [05:21] are they old ? fast [05:21] linkns pls [05:21] foxbuntu: I do have mine set to rsync daily at midnight PST time btw [05:22] MitoTranin, ok [05:22] MitoTranin, I need to do the same as well [05:23] http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/ === propagandhi [n=pclaven@CPE-124-184-151-155.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:27] good day people === Wy|laptop [n=wy@host-243-250.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:28] $hello [05:28] Welcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv. Please state your question or comment. [05:28] holly crap [05:29] OMG i want it! http://www.mini-itx.com/reviews/pico-itx/ it fits on your fingers [05:29] it looks smaller than a pci card [05:29] NSVOE: then do it... [05:29] have you seen it [05:29] ! [05:29] Hrm, anyone on the iso team around? [05:29] Just a quickie comment [05:30] /feedback [05:30] yes [05:30] not to persuade away from mythbuntu, but there is a special mythtv frontend for small systems just like that [05:30] Wy|laptop, shoot [05:30] i'm just amazed they built a motherboard that fits in your hand [05:30] and yes, NSVOE, I've built firewalls and vpn routers with such things [05:30] Okay, booting the A64 version, vid card is a 7100 [05:31] Problem is the x configurator selects the nv module for xorg, and picks some bassackwards mode line which doesn't work very well [05:31] have you used that board b4? [05:31] not that board, no [05:31] Suggested solution: make xorg on the bootable cd default to VESA [05:31] the ones I have used are the mini-itx and nano-itx, never a pico-itx [05:32] pico-itx is crazy small [05:32] anyways, if you want something that can run on something along those lines, check this out: http://www.mini-box.com/iMediaMythTV [05:32] tgm: thoughts? [05:32] actually designed to run on systems small such as this: http://www.mini-box.com/Mini-Box-M300-LCD [05:32] it's about the speed of a p4 older desktop you would say??? [05:32] what is it? [05:32] myth-frontend / mythbuntu works well enough on an epia [05:33] Wy|laptop: he's talking about a pico-itx [05:33] MitoTranin, do you rsync the isos? [05:33] yeah, but isn't the via pico-itx's built around the same stuff? [05:33] yeah [05:33] tgm: newest iso [05:34] how mini is that mini box [05:34] ?? [05:34] MitoTranin, can you pop over in -dev and help foxbuntu [05:34] read... it has the dimensions there [05:34] I mean, autodectection is nice, but too much wierd stuff out there. Better to just use VESA [05:34] I've been there :) === mindframe- [n=mindfram@69.2.38.187] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:35] I can swap in my other card (x2400) and it'll just not work [05:35] except if you're in vesa [05:35] i mean from the pic it looks like i't fit in cuped hands [05:35] Wy|laptop, I think that is handled by gutsy, but i'll pass it along [05:35] - Size 20cm (w) x 7.8 cm x 24cm [05:35] there is one problem with that though [05:35] that's the M300 [05:35] Wy|laptop, have you tried the safe graphics mode? [05:36] c'mon now, i'm dyslexic [05:36] NSVOE: the M200 is shorter... [05:36] tgm: oh, no worries, I fixored the mode line myself so it booted [05:36] what, how can I give it to you better? [05:36] you want it converted into inches? [05:36] anyways, gotta run [05:36] lolrof [05:36] http://www.worldwidemetric.com/metcal.htm [05:36] :) === superm1 wanders in [05:37] what's up with uk.cdimages? [05:37] run, run now superm1 [05:37] why isn't it working? [05:37] frink_, Daviey ? [05:37] superm1, whats not working? [05:37] the server? [05:37] i cant connect to it at all [05:37] strange [05:38] can you? [05:38] superm1: I just checked, can't get anything from it [05:38] can you fit it in the palm of your hand [05:38] well this == bad [05:38] superm1: I am fully synced though, synced this afternoon [05:38] superm1, i can't even ping it [05:38] i am fully synced though [05:39] ugh. i didn't want to deal with trouble at all tonight, i've got os much other stuff to deal with [05:39] what time is it frink_'s time? [05:39] where is frink? [05:39] india? [05:39] i probably don't want to call him right this moment [05:40] it's 5:39 am in germany [05:40] if frink_ is the uk, then he's GMT+0, which means it's 4:40am there === mungewell2 [n=simon@S01060016b6287ac4.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:41] yeah probably don't want to wake him up right now [05:41] Daviey, probably typed sudo shutdown by accident [05:41] NSVOE: in answer to your earlier question, yes, it's kinda like an old p4 [05:42] those two models are actually a via 1.0Ghz system [05:42] but they are much faster than a P3 1.0GHz that you might be familiar with... [05:42] I have a C7 1.5Ghz system, and it feels faster than my old P4 1.8 [05:43] by quite a bit [05:44] superm1, ha [05:44] superm1, how the heck did 3 hours pass? [05:45] y does it only have 60 gigs available for that on that site you gave me?? [05:46] foxbuntu, fast [05:46] i'm uessing because of space [05:46] NSVOE: if you want bigger, don't order a HDD with it [05:46] superm1, needs to move slower...I dont want to work tomorrow [05:46] lol [05:46] but do note that it uses a LAPTOP hard drive, and not a desktop drive [05:47] well i've got other stuff to take care of yet tonight. hopefully frink_'s box comes back to life, if not i'll have to call him tomorrow morning [05:47] any remaining mirrors will have to sync from somewhere else [05:47] i've a feeling bendailey's mirrors weren't synced [05:47] but dont know for usre [05:47] *cough* foxbuntu *cough* [05:48] tgm4883, ? [05:48] oh superm1 was talking about people that weren't synced yet [05:48] and I was genetically bred to always blame you first [05:49] $poke tgm4883 [05:49] /me stabs tgm4883 violently with a rusty spoon [05:50] $postal [05:50] i'm just wondering if it was because you couldn't put one in it [05:50] Sorry, I neither I or ubotu knew, but Wikipedia says: "Mail, the postal service" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal [05:50] darn, that would have been a good one :) [05:51] NSVOE: the enclosure itself supports any 2.5" HDD you can find [05:51] MitoTranin, link [05:51] $whack tgm4883 [05:51] /me whacks tgm4883 [05:51] NSVOE: you will need to check the specs on that motherboard though to make sure though [05:51] tgm4883: link for what? [05:51] for whatever your looking at :) [05:51] im bored [05:51] http://www.mini-box.com/Mini-Box-M200-LCD [05:51] id ask foxbuntu, but im afraid of the link he would give me [05:52] rof [05:52] tgm4883, eh I looked at the dirty stuff earlier [05:52] ah [05:52] now I only have my web site manager up [05:52] boring stuff [05:53] NSVOE, what part of IT are you in? [05:53] it's looking like i can put 4 hard drives in the box, but it's depending on if it has a daughterboard [05:53] uh, i doubt that [05:53] 4 drives? [05:53] are you looking at the M300 or the M200 ? [05:53] allows mounting of up to two 2.5" laptop drives. [05:54] hardware netwotking research rollout [05:54] i am not allowed to do server management or helpdesk [05:55] NSVOE: are you looking at the M200 system, or the M300 system? [05:56] someone's computer was overheating and i happened to be on the basterd excuses page and i refreshed it..................so i told the guy his problem was that his computer was over heating [05:56] and to get ice watter and pour it over his computer but make sure that it is on , i didn't think the guy was an idiot [05:56] 300 [05:57] but only hdd help i got was in a pdf with nice grphics [05:57] MitoTranin, one thing to make sure...get a good Fluxcapitor I suggest the g400 for about $50..its makes all the difference with MythTV [05:58] and the guy hung up the phone and he did what i said b4 i could tell him i was jokeing [05:58] foxbuntu, the g400 is old, the new g440 is out now [05:58] I was thinking the g290 would do the trick though... [05:58] tgm4883, really? [05:58] cool [05:58] yea yesterday they released it [05:58] lmao rof i still get a kick out of that [05:58] out of what? [05:58] there have been some bad reviews though [05:58] I guess some have disabled pipes [05:59] tgm4883, intresting [05:59] apparently they are trying to make some money before they release the g500 [05:59] it's been out of R&D forever, I don't know why they haven't released it yet [05:59] NSVOE: the M300 case is compatible for up to two 2.5" drives [06:01] MitoTranin, I love the M300 [06:01] that's what i figured, there is a daughterboard on it [06:01] so tgm4883, he's looking at this system http://www.mini-box.com/Mini-Box-M300-LCD [06:01] and that's as much as i can fit [06:01] 2.5 isn't that laptop size [06:01] yes [06:01] yes it is [06:01] 3.5" is desktop [06:01] 2.5" is laptop [06:01] why the heck do they only have 60 g [06:02] these people don't make scence [06:02] or is it me [06:02] NSVOE: as I said before... you can put in *any* 2.5" drive that you want [06:02] as long as you only put in 2 of them [06:02] AND [06:02] it's you. Dont' buy the HD from them [06:02] as long as you make sure that the drive is compatible with the motherboard [06:02] maybe the board won't support high capacity drives [06:03] NSVOE, right [06:03] your a faster typer thanme [06:03] NSVOE, you should email them just to be sure [06:03] i already know what there gonna say, the same thing dell does, lmao [06:04] that M300 system uses this motherboard: http://www.mini-box.com/Hybrid-C7-1G?sc=8&category=99 [06:04]