[01:42] <genii> echo cappuccino >/dev/coffee
[02:04] <jjesse> wow i'm so full from dinner
[06:57] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp  -- don't forget about the kubuntu-docs final upload for Gutsy
[09:18] <emonkey-f> are this kde4 beta3 packages which are in the gutsy Repos?
[09:20] <emonkey-f> there's an update to 3.94 ...
[09:24] <mhb> good morning fellow kubuntuers
[09:45] <emonkey-p> maybe there is a wrong dependencie with kde4-base and libsoprano3/4
[10:37] <stdin> kde4base should depend on libsoprano4 (and libsoprano4 should replace libsoprano3)
[11:36] <gemidjy> in kubuntu gutsy when multimedia key is pressed (say: volume up/down) a nice progressbar appears which overrides the default (and ugly) kde progressbar...is there patch for KDE somewhere?
[11:36] <Jucato> gemidjy: it's a patch for KMilo that was taken somewhere from kde-apps.org
[11:38] <gemidjy> great, will search for it now
[12:04] <uga> Jucato: oh my... that may explain why it's broken?
[12:04] <uga> Jucato: (0%-11%)
[12:05] <uga> the volume never goes beyond 11% for me
[12:06] <mhb> uga: no
[12:06] <uga> mhb: any idea what's happenning?
[12:06] <uga> it always goes just 1 step up
[12:06] <uga> never more
[12:07] <uga> one up, one down
[12:08] <mhb> uga: not sure ... it works fine here.
[12:08] <uga> uhm okay...
[12:08] <mhb> uga: that means it's hardware-specific
[12:08] <jpatrick> works fine here too
[12:08] <uga> it must be a bad keyboard layout then. I wonder what the key is mapped to
[12:08] <uga> what was the X app to display each mouse and kb event?
[12:09] <uga> oh, nm, it's xev
[12:10] <mhb> uga: try "xev" and then hold the buttons
[12:10] <mhb> if it registers more pushes
[12:10] <uga> yeah, did that, but sounds like it works: state 0x10, keycode 176 (keysym 0x1008ff13, XF86AudioRaiseVolume), same_screen YES,
[12:10] <uga> AudioRaise
[12:11] <mhb> so xev shows several pushes, but kmilo (which will be triggered) won't ?
[12:12] <uga> sounds like so
[12:12] <mhb> uga: I think "file a bug" is the solution
[12:13] <mhb> uga: we'll triage it through there
[12:13] <uga> mhb: the bug was filed years ago according to google
[12:13] <uga> I've seen tons of comments on this issue
[12:14] <mhb> uga: even better, would you share some links with us?
[12:14] <uga> mhb: just found the report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sourhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/118723ce/kdeutils/+bug/118723
[12:15] <mhb> bug 118723
[12:15] <mhb> ubotu timed out, strange
[12:16] <uga> ouch, stupid multi-paste
[12:16] <uga> mhb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/118723
[12:16] <uga> sorry, I was on the phone and I didn't notice the paste went wrong
[12:21] <Dekans|screen> i have some trouble with launchpad so i'd like to say it here
[12:22] <Dekans|screen> i don't know if it's already reported
[12:22] <Dekans|screen> but the kubuntu restricted-manager needs i386 kernel
[12:22] <Dekans|screen> no way with i686 for 3D acceleration .....
[12:23] <Dekans|screen> (on gutsy RC)
[12:31] <mhb> Dekans|screen: hmm, perhaps the driver provider doesn't distribute 686 drivers?
[12:31] <mhb> Dekans|screen: I don't think it's restricted-manager's fault, at least not the KDE frontend I did
[12:54] <jpatrick> uga: vas a aKamdey-es?
[12:55] <Dekans|screen> mhb: i just compiled the nvidia binary driver, no prob
[12:56] <Dekans|screen> and nvidia-glx package depends on i386 kernel too
[01:00] <emonkey> Is there a draft for the kde4beta3 news which we can translate?
[01:01] <mikkael> is the kde 3 from riddell's ppa now the same as in gutsy ?
[01:01] <jpatrick> mikkael: 3.5.8 was uploaded
[01:02] <emonkey> I mean the kde 3.94 packages (kde4)
[01:02] <mikkael> jpatrick: thanks
[01:03] <jpatrick> mikkael: bitte
[01:43] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee....
[01:43] <Hobbsee> hi, what's up?
[01:45] <mhb> :o)
[01:46] <jpatrick> mhb: ah, come on, there's always next year
[01:49] <mhb> jpatrick: right, except you don't get invited every year, you know :o)
[01:51] <jpatrick> right..
[01:51] <Hobbsee> mhb: yeah, but hopefully they'll offer it to you again
[02:08] <mhb> well, no harm done.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you around?
[02:10] <jpatrick> mhb: are there no local parties in your area?
[02:10] <mhb> anyone interested in partition managers? I have created a little presentation yesterday and I would like to hear your suggestions.
[02:10] <mhb> mhb.ath.cx/kubuntu/snips.odp
[02:11] <mhb> jpatrick: unfortunately, there are none.
[02:11] <Hobbsee> mhb: possibly.
[02:11] <mhb> jpatrick: I suggested on the local forums that they throw a release party, but nobody was interested much
[02:14] <jpatrick> mhb: oh, not even a little get-together? I have the CatalanTeam and aKamdey-es :|
[02:14] <mhb> the presentation correlates with my Hardy plan: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-partition-manager
[02:19] <Jucato> mhb: sounds nice! I wish you good luck :)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> mhb: nice!
[02:22] <mhb> thanks Jucato, Hobbsee
[03:02] <Tm_T> 3.5.8 in gutsy?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:02] <Tm_T> thanks, exception?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:04] <Hobbsee> it helps, having two kde people on the release team.
[03:23] <Jucato> (ab)use of power/influence? :)
[03:24] <mhb> Riddell: did you manage to enable the translation of kde-guidance module names in systemsettings?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Jucato: not at all.
[03:25] <Jucato> hehe j/k :)
[03:25] <Jucato> thanks for the 3.5.8
[03:26] <Jucato> at least a reason to smile this week :)
[03:26] <Tm_T> :)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:27] <Jucato> :)
[03:29] <mhb> :I
[03:29] <Jucato> :(
[03:30] <mhb> being involved in translations is the worst job I have ever done for OSS
[03:31] <uga> the worst thing you've done, or the thing you've done worst?
[03:31] <Jucato> user support is both my best and worst (and only?)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> mhb: why?
[03:34] <uga> Hobbsee: if you've ever done it, it's painful
[03:34] <mhb> (in Ubuntu) you get sarcastic comments because of: bugs caused by Rosetta, bugs caused by incorrect i18n of applications ... typos that are made upstream are attributed to Ubuntu because several people spread the word that "Ubuntu keeps all to itself"
[03:34] <uga> it takes ages translating a single program properly
[03:34] <Hobbsee> mhb: ugh.
[03:34] <uga> mhb: bugs caused by i18n?????
[03:36] <uga> not sure how one translates non-kde apps, but if that can break translations, then maybe it's the translation system that is broken
[03:36] <mhb> uga: yes, like several modules names in systemsettings in Kubuntu cannot be translated
[03:36] <mhb> uga: or Dolphin - it seems the translation of Dolphin didnt make it into the language packs
[03:37] <mhb> but the ones who will get criticized for that are the translators
[03:37] <mhb> uga: its not just kde apps, because .desktop files have to be translated statically and several apps dont use gettext
[03:37] <uga> ah, right
[03:39] <uga> mhb: are you into kde4 translations team at all?
[03:39] <uga> I believe kbabel is gone, and not sure how people do those, now
[03:40] <Jucato> isn't kaider the new translation thingamajig?
[03:40] <uga> uhm... kaider... iirc that was some playground app, right?
[03:41] <uga> yes, checking google it's a KBabel replacement. You're right. a SoC project
[04:03] <uga|away> uhm, I've never seen a linux box freezing this bad for ages
[04:20] <mhb> oooh, kbabel replacemente!
[04:20] <mhb> I wanted one of those ages ago
[04:31] <uga> mhb: hehe, like a kid with a new lollypop
[04:40] <mhb> uga: exactly! :o)
[04:40] <nosrednaekim> shouldn't that be :o-)--  ?
[06:19] <nixternal> Hobbsee: what's up?
[06:19] <Jucato> 'nite all
[06:20] <nixternal> k'nite :p
[06:20] <Jucato> haha :)
[06:20] <Jucato> you made me smile today... 2nd smile of the day :)
[06:20] <Hobbsee> nixternal: what did you send to the reporter?
[06:21] <nixternal> I can forward that to you right now
[06:22] <nixternal> you are talking about my interview answers right?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah
[06:35] <jjesse> hello
[06:36] <jjesse> what interview?
[06:36] <nixternal> with O'Reilly Media
[06:36] <jjesse> linky?
[06:36] <Hobbsee> jjesse: unmoderated your post, btw
[06:36] <jjesse> Hobbsee: oh thanks, sorry for the size
[06:37] <Hobbsee> no problem
[06:37] <Hobbsee> what was it?  gpg key?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> oh, a picture with it
[06:37] <jjesse> yeah i'm having tons of problems w/ konqi
[06:40] <nixternal> jjesse: Hobbsee and I are still answering the questions...well I think I finished mine, and Hobbsee gets to give a female prospective
[06:40] <jjesse> nixternal: cool, looking forward to reading it :)
[06:40] <nixternal> which I tend to forget, she is the highest ranking, and one female DEV!! :)
[06:40] <mhb> nixternal: what was the interview about?
[06:41] <nixternal> s/one/only
[06:41] <nixternal> mhb: MOTU
[06:41] <Hobbsee> Could you share a bit of your own story? what your role is? what your
[06:41] <Hobbsee> activities are?  I notice your involvement in Amarok - that would be great
[06:41] <Hobbsee> to discuss! Is there a short story on how it found it's way into Ubuntu and
[06:41] <Hobbsee> how it has moved through the 7.10 development / release process? what were
[06:41] <Hobbsee> the recent bugs / how were they found / who fixed them / how did fixes get
[06:41] <Hobbsee> reintegrated into Gutsy?
[06:41] <Hobbsee> Some insight into your own strategy for what happens when 7.10 ships would
[06:41] <Hobbsee> be interesting: Do you immediately begin to look forward to HH, or do you
[06:41] <Hobbsee> continue to work on GG for a period of time?
[06:41] <nixternal> wow, I told him you were pretty much God, and he nailed you with questions
[06:41] <Hobbsee> i should do laserjock's behind MOTU interview too
[06:42] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:43] <Hobbsee> nixternal: good ansewrs
[06:43] <jjesse> wow 121 nights in a marriott hotel since march 1st
[06:44] <Hobbsee> ouch
[06:44] <jjesse> yup big time ouch
[06:45] <nixternal> Hobbsee: oh, and btw, he is going to pimp Kubuntu for us :)
[06:45] <Hobbsee> woot :)
[06:49] <mhb> (nah, just kidding)
[06:49] <Hobbsee> mhb: well, i can point your name too :)
[06:49] <Hobbsee> nixternal: would be a good time to pimp MOTU too
[06:50] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I did pimp it a bit in my answers, but yes, pimping it some more definitely wouldn't hurt
[06:50] <Hobbsee> yup
[06:50] <nixternal> I think I need to do a MOTU themed blog
[06:50] <nixternal> post
[06:50] <Hobbsee> yeah, i think having a motu interview would help
[07:10] <Tin_K> Nice RC, I've installed it yestarday
[07:10] <Tin_K> (on a free partition, just in case...)
[07:11] <ScottK> nixternal: Any chance you could look at ktoon.  It's dead broke in Gutsy and Debian has a new version.
[07:11] <nixternal> I can do that...do I need to file a UVF for it?
[07:13] <Tin_K> there is one little thing... In accesibility, Activation gestures, could you unmark 'use gestures to activate...' ? ALL my linux users (in general ex windows users) some day, sooner or later, call me saying that the keyboard is not working... Because of Slow keys.
[07:13] <mhb> when's gutsy due? 7 days or so?
[07:13] <jjesse> 18th i thought?
[07:13] <jjesse> where is your gutsy counter?
[07:14] <mhb> I have some free time today and tomorrow, and I can't stand the current kubuntu.org page :o)
[07:14] <jjesse> yeah?  what's the new one look like then?
[07:14] <jjesse> :)
[07:14] <ScottK> nixternal: First need to find out if the new version works.
[07:14] <ScottK> Then if it works, do the UVFe.
[07:14] <nixternal> what doesn't work with our version right now?
[07:15] <ScottK> nixternal: See Bug #144568
[07:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144568 in ktoon "ktoon not start (core dumped)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144568
[07:15] <ScottK> So working at all would apparently be a big improvement.
[07:15] <nixternal> roger
[07:18] <eljefe__> hello, i want to test the upgrade.  i followed the instructions but it isn't doing anything after giving me the release notes for the 6.06 version (!!!), then telling me to click [Finish]  to start... after clicking, noting happened, just back to Adept.
[07:26] <Tin_K> The slow keys thing... Isn't it the right place to ask?
[07:26] <eljefe> !upgrade
[07:26] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[07:26] <eljefe> i have!
[07:27] <eljefe> there is nothing there about Gutsy...
[07:27] <jjesse> eljefe: i think that gets updated upon release?
[07:27] <jjesse> its interesting watching the index size of strigi
[07:27] <mhb> Tin_K: hmm, we could (not for gutsy, but for hardy at least) ... but there are some problems with that. What is the default behaviour in "vanilla" KDE?
[07:27] <jjesse> grows really big and then shrinks
[07:28] <eljefe> maybe so
[07:28] <eljefe> but the instructions for the Gutsy upgrade fail me.
[07:29] <eljefe> is there any way to test/force the upgrade?
[07:29] <jjesse> yeah there is trying to remember the page for upgrading
[07:29] <Tin_K> I'm not sure... But I think that if someone needs slow keys, they will find the option in Accesibility.
[07:29] <nosrednaekim> eljefe: of course... you can always do it from the command line
[07:29] <jjesse> nixternal: do you have notes on the upgrad as part of the rc announcment?
[07:29] <nixternal> there is a link to the wiki page about upgrading
[07:30] <Tin_K> everyone I know has had that problem. The slow keys activating with a gesture...
[07:30] <Tin_K> they call me: the keyboard doesn't work anymore!
[07:30] <eljefe> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades tells me to follow instructions, which don't work.  After clicking Version Upgrade and installing a few packages, its over.
[07:31] <eljefe> and i've read that Adept has different/better algorhythems for upgrades, that apt-get doesn't have.
[07:33] <nosrednaekim> eljefe: thats true...
[08:13] <jjesse> wow i've had nothing but problems trying to build fedora in a vm
[08:13] <jjesse> this sucks
[08:15] <nixternal> you aren't missing much
[08:16] <jjesse> yeah but the software i consult on supports redhat and suse only
[08:17] <ScottK> Maybe you need to do a port?
[08:18] <jjesse> ScottK: properitary software first of all 2nd i got it working in kubuntu already, but there are things that don't work as well
[08:18] <ScottK> Ah.  Nevermind ...
[08:19] <jjesse> afk for the rest of the afternoon...
[08:26] <mluser>  Is it possible to disable the switch user feature on the screen saver?
[09:11] <_StefanS_> evening
[09:12] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ping?
[11:09] <_StefanS_> Lure_: guess what, the brightness up/down is broken on the dell aswell
[11:09] <_StefanS_> Lure_: so it might be general problem
[11:10] <coreymon77> umm
[11:10] <coreymon77> isnt rc candidates a little redundant
[11:11] <coreymon77> ?
[11:26] <mhb> coreymon77: not sure I get what you mean
[11:26] <mhb> _StefanS_: brightness doesn't work in what way?
[11:27] <_StefanS_> mhb: like not at all.
[11:27] <mhb> _StefanS_: even through g-pm ?
[11:28] <_StefanS_> mhb: why would I have g-pm running in kde ? :)
[11:28] <_StefanS_> mhb: no.
[11:28] <_StefanS_> mhb: dont know I mean
[11:29] <mhb> _StefanS_: not g-p-m, g-pm (guidance-powermanager)
[11:29] <_StefanS_> ah
[11:30] <_StefanS_> adjusting sliders in kde-guidance-pm works fine as its AFAIK using hal
[11:30] <coreymon77> mhb: in the topic is says test rc candidates
[11:30] <coreymon77> mhb: rc stands for release candidate
[11:30] <coreymon77> mhb: so isnt rc candidate redundant?
[11:31] <mhb> coreymon77: no
[11:31] <mhb> coreymon77: outdated information maybe, but not redundant
[11:32] <mhb> coreymon77: it is a candidate (build) for a RC release
[11:32] <coreymon77> oh
[11:32] <mhb> _StefanS_: then macbooks have the same problem
[11:32] <_StefanS_> mhb: donno, I havent had a chance to ask tonio as he has one of those
[11:33] <_StefanS_> on the dell 212(bright up) and 101(bright down) has no XF86* binding
[11:33] <mhb> _StefanS_: I know, I have it right here ,right now
[11:33] <mhb> :o)
[11:33] <mhb> well kmilo doesn't work, but kde-g-pm does
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> hmmmm are there any plans for having a KDE4 liveCD for hardy?
[11:34] <_StefanS_> mhb: I made that patch to test it by mapping LaunchD+E and let kmilo use dcop to contact kde-g-pm
[11:34] <_StefanS_> mhb: unfortunately it didnt work that well