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sayersIs there a kernel with the CFS support built in, in the repositories ?01:32
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jheronimusHi, all!01:35
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foxiness__hi jheronimus01:35
silent[ca] why doesnt the vga=XXX do anything?01:36
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jheronimusCould anybody here help me with my laptop soundcard under GG?01:36
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Psi-JackAlright. I'm in pure 7.10 RC Ubuntu.01:40
MrMazdasilent[ca] : it's broken01:40
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Psi-JackSeems Ubuntu actually is a bit better than Kubuntu, as far as base system goes. Why that is I STILL don't get. ;)01:41
MrMazdaheavy focus on Gnome?01:41
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Psi-JackAnyway. I installed the ATI Restricted Drivers. And performance, wasn't all great.. So I went and got the ATI 8.40.x drivers from AMD's website, installed them, and it actually got /worse/ LOL01:42
LiMaOPsi-Jack: any problems at all? or is everything running ok?01:42
Psi-JackLiMaO: Installation was great. It's ATI video support giving me hell.01:42
LiMaOdoes openoffice works for you?01:42
Psi-JackHeh, I haven't even tried.01:42
Psi-JackLoading it now, though.01:43
LiMaOcheck it out later, if you can, load openoffice writer and go to 'format page'01:43
Konamwow, it seems that you really fucked it up with all those tweaks to Xorg. My system doesn't recognize the binary driver from nvidia, it says that 'screen not found'01:43
LiMaOsee what happens01:43
Konamand the nvidia-settings and the 'screen and graphics' deal with xorg in different ways01:43
silent[ca] MrMazda, is there a substitute for vga= or am I stuck using windows cause my console crashes at random times due to a messed up framebuffer01:43
Psi-JackLiMaO: : Okay? Done..01:43
Konamthe settings I do in one is not recognize in the other01:44
LiMaOdidn't freeze? hmm i may consider using gutsy again then =P01:44
Konamand is suppose to be the same xorg.conf!01:44
Psi-JackLiMaO: : WOrking for me.01:44
MrMazdasilent[ca] : tried feisty?01:44
Psi-JackOkay01:44
Konamdamn it, im restarting xorg01:44
Psi-JackSo.. How do I disable compiz? Someone mentioned that earlier.01:44
LiMaOPsi-Jack: when i last tried it on beta 2, it wouldn't work. would freeze. i couldn't do anything at all within openoffice01:44
Psi-JackLiMaO: Yikes. ;)01:45
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LiMaOPsi-Jack: right click the desktop, check out desktop effects and turn it off01:45
silent[ca] MrMazda, this is feisty01:45
silent[ca] MrMazda, this is gutsy*01:45
MrMazdasilent[ca] : gutsy is broken01:45
Psi-JackHmmm. I don't see Desktop Effects.01:45
silent[ca] MrMazda, what do you mean?01:45
LiMaOlast tab if i'm not wrong01:45
MrMazdasilent[ca] : framebuffer is royally screwed in gutsy01:46
LiMaOthere's desktop background, fonts, some other stuff, and one of the tabs deals with desktop effects01:46
LiMaOmaybe 'advanced' tab01:46
Psi-JackAhh01:46
reitblattgetting a kernel panic after installing Gutsy RC, anyone wanna take a swing at it?01:46
MrMazdasilent[ca] : gutsy is beta anyway01:46
Psi-JackOkay, so yeah, it's disabled by default, so that's not my problem.01:46
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silent[ca] MrMazda, for approximately 6 days01:47
reitblattwell, you didn't fix the problem, but I have a nice big dent in my screen01:47
Psi-JackHehe01:47
reitblattthis is a Thinkpad X6101:47
alex_mayorga!wiimote01:47
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about wiimote - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:47
reitblattworked in Feisty01:47
reitblattw/ a few hw hiccups01:47
MrMazdasilent[ca] : they better fix it soon then01:47
reitblattinstalled w/o a hitch01:47
reitblattbut when I tried to boot after install01:47
reitblattit kernel panics immediately after grub01:48
Psi-JackWell, hrmm.. I'm trying to figure out IF it's reasonably possible to get Linux working my ATI X1600, and getting on Second Life (the real only 3D program I'll likely ever be using), and get more FPS than just 2.5-5 fps. I mean, 10 would be decent. LOL01:48
reitblattkernel panic - not syncin: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)01:48
cyclonutreitblatt: I get random kernel panics... no constant ones though01:48
reitblattcyclonut: this is the definition ofconsistent01:48
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silent[ca] any idea why vga=XXX doesnt work in the gutsy boot?01:52
MrMazdasilent[ca] : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/12991001:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 129910 in initramfs-tools "tty[1-6]  are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [Critical,Triaged] 01:53
nomasteryodanice01:57
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nomasteryodasilent[ca] , try hitting Esc, then "e" on the kernel you want to load.... then backspace over the "silent vga=*" until you get to "ro"01:58
nomasteryodathat works for me01:58
nomasteryodathen the tty1-6 work ok01:59
nomasteryodajust a temp fix01:59
nomasteryodabut good enough for getting it working...01:59
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reitblattI think I may have found a problem02:00
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reitblatta typo in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume02:01
IndyGunFreakjust to be clear, if i have mys ystem up to date, then i have the RC, right?02:01
cyclonutIndyGunFreak: correct02:01
IndyGunFreakcyclonut: ok, i thought so.02:01
IndyGunFreakty02:01
cyclonutnp02:02
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nick3has anyone had trouble getting monodevelop to work in 7.1002:04
A_is_ACan someone help me to figure out why i cannot mount my second hard drive since the upgrade to gutsy? its got all of my music on it andi m dying to access it. its formatted ext302:05
A_is_Aits at /dev/sdb102:05
reitblattA_is_A: what happens when you try to mount it?02:05
A_is_Amount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /media/sdb1 busy02:05
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reitblattA_is_A: and how do you try to mount it?02:05
reitblatthmm02:05
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reitblattshow me the output of: mount02:06
A_is_Ai used  sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 and also tried using "storage device manager" in gnome02:06
reitblattjust the command mount w/ no arguments02:06
A_is_Aed@ed-desktop:~$ mount02:06
A_is_A/dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)02:06
A_is_Aproc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)02:06
A_is_Avarrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755)02:06
A_is_Avarlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777)02:06
bazhangthe RC is nice :}02:06
A_is_Audev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)02:06
A_is_Adevshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)02:06
A_is_Adevpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)02:06
A_is_Alrm on /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-386/volatile type tmpfs (rw)02:06
A_is_Asecurityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)02:06
A_is_Abinfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)02:06
reitblattsorry, shoulda had you pastebin it02:06
A_is_Asorry my bad02:06
A_is_Ashould i pastebin it now?02:06
reitblattnah02:06
reitblattpastebin:02:07
reitblattcat /proc/partitions02:07
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A_is_Ahttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40473/02:08
bjb1959I have a bit of an odd problem, when I use avant-window-navigator with feisty or gutsy with compiz the desktop will lock up all except the mouse after a period of inactivity. this doesn't happen with opensuse 10.3 and the same setup. any ideas?02:08
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jimmygoonMy codecs are b0rked :(02:09
reitblattA_is_A: what happens when you run: sudo umount -l /dev/sdb102:09
A_is_Aumount: /dev/sdb1: not mounted02:09
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reitblattA_is_A: try running: sudo umount -l /media/sdb102:10
A_is_Ai did02:11
A_is_A umount: /dev/sdb1: not mounted02:11
bjb1959I have a bit of an odd problem, when I use avant-window-navigator with gutsy with compiz the desktop will lock up all except the mouse after a period of inactivity. this doesn't happen with opensuse 10.3 and the same setup. any ideas?02:11
reitblattA_is_A: I gave a slightly diff command02:11
A_is_Aoh02:11
A_is_Asry02:11
reitblattnp02:11
A_is_Asame output02:11
reitblatthmm02:12
reitblattthat is quite bizarre02:12
jimmygoonhow do I do "refresh" gstreamer02:12
A_is_Aalso, if it helps, gparted will not start either. it just says "scanning drives" eternally02:12
reitblattA_is_A: try making a new directory02:12
reitblattand mounting it in there02:13
A_is_Aok02:13
bazhangbjb1959: have you tried to shut off and restart compiz; that did the trick when I had another problem.02:13
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A_is_Amount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /media/dsk busy02:13
dbgltIn attempting to upgrade from feisty -> gusty, I used the Distribution Upgrade tool, but it seems to have a problem with configuring debconf, and all my deps seem to be a bit screwed up now02:13
dbgltis this a known problem?02:14
bjb1959bazhang, yes it doesn't help02:14
bazhangbjb1959: hmm, not having used avm, can't offer much else--sorry :}02:14
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reitblattA_is_A: I changed my mind, could you please go ahead and pastebin the output of "mount"02:14
A_is_Asure02:14
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bazhangdbglt: what command did you use?02:15
dbgltkdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"02:15
dbgltthen it installed some wizard02:15
dbgltand I followed it through02:15
A_is_Areitblatt: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40475/02:15
Davy_Joneswill there be an ubuntu-studio upgrade when 7.1 is out?02:15
reitblattthanks02:15
dbgltbazhang: one of the package setups seems to have not worked, and as a result, a lot of deps can't be installed02:15
Davy_Joneswhy can't anyone answer that question02:16
PiciDavy_Jones: I think so, #ubuntustudio would know for sure02:16
cyclonutHave we got any programmers in the house? Ive got a question, though non-related to ubuntu...02:16
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Davy_Jonesok02:16
underwatercowanyone try installing the latest NVIDIA drivers on Gutsy?02:16
underwatercowcyclonut: What language are you programming in?02:16
Davy_JonesPici: says in the topic that studio-gutsy RC is out02:17
cyclonutunderwatercow: ruby, but it doesn't really matter that much, its more a theory thing than a syntax issue02:17
PiciDavy_Jones: so I guess it is02:17
cyclonutunderwatercow: pretend I said whatever language you happen to like ;)02:17
underwatercowcyclonut: lol... I like Ruby, though I'm a n00b at it. What's your question?02:17
Davy_JonesPici: yeah, not sure if it's beta though02:17
PiciDavy_Jones: hm? We're in RC as well.02:18
Davy_JonesPici: RC is pre-release?02:18
PiciDavy_Jones: Release Candidate02:18
PiciStill pre-release02:18
Davy_Jonesi see02:18
cyclonutunderwatercow: PM02:19
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underwatercowRelease is on the 18th isn't it?02:19
Davy_Jonesunderwatercow: 5 days to go02:19
underwatercow602:19
underwatercow:(02:19
Piciunderwatercow: yessir02:19
underwatercowat least for me02:20
underwatercowit's the 12th here02:20
A_is_Areitblatt: any clue?02:20
underwatercowthe NVIDIA drivers I tried installing killed my system02:20
Davy_Jonesit's 13th here02:20
underwatercowI had to run an older kernel02:20
reitblattA_is_A: I'm kinda stumped02:20
A_is_Ame too. brb02:20
underwatercowcyclonut: I PM'd you02:21
cyclonutunderwatercow: and I you...02:21
cyclonutunderwatercow: something isnt making it here :-P02:21
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HetaUmaare u registered with nickserv to be able to pm ?02:21
underwatercowdo the default nvidia drivers allow dual monitors in gutsy?02:22
cyclonutdidnt know you needed to be on nickserv to pm...02:22
cyclonutoops02:22
underwatercowcyclonut: well that's strange02:22
cyclonutunderwatercow: just tried again... get anything?02:22
underwatercowcyclonut: yep02:22
underwatercowcyclonut: I responded02:22
cyclonutunderwatercow: not seeing it from you... do /msg nickserv register password02:23
awaganyone here upgrade to gutsy using apt-get dist-upgrade?02:23
cyclonutwhere password = whatever password you want02:23
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reitblattanyone that is curious: I solved my problem02:25
reitblattthe install didn't add initrd entries to menu.lst02:25
reitblattbecause of the typoe I noted above02:25
reitblattkeeping update-initramfs from working02:25
Geoffrey2does Gutsy look pretty much ready to install at this point, or would I be better off waiting a few days until the official release comes out?02:26
bazhangGeoffrey2: you could wait, though it is pretty nice right now02:27
underwatercowthe beta should be more or less the final product anyway02:27
underwatercowI've been running it for a month or so and it's been great to me02:28
bazhangsame here02:28
Geoffrey2I figured if they're at RC stage, they should be pretty confident it's ready to go02:28
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bazhangGeoffrey2: if you're on a laptop and trying to get wireless, then that might be an issue--otherwise it's very nice.02:29
graglhello guys, i tried to downgrade from nvidia-glx-new (with apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-new) to the nvidia-glx driver, but its always teh new module gets loaded instead of the old02:29
graglhow can i fix that bug02:29
bazhangthe RC is a liveCD, right?02:29
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Geoffrey2bazhang, desktop...only interesting detail would be my intergrated video card, which is new enough that it's been semi-sorta working under Feisty02:31
graglhow can i say modprobe i wnat to load old nvidia module not nvidia new module?02:32
|neon|ne1 ever use ghhhhost4linux to back upthe entire system02:33
bazhangGeoffrey2: intel video?02:33
Geoffrey2bazhang, AMD 690G with ATI x125002:34
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bazhangGeoffrey2: I would say wait and see what's up; provided you're happy with Feisty now--Gutsy seems to have better graphic card support--but I do have an Nvidia, so probly no the person to ask :}02:36
bazhangprobably not02:36
hoa3ranybody here experience with beagle and cryptsetup?02:36
dbgltany known update problems I should look out for?02:37
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dbglt linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-14-generic: Depends: linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic but it is not installable02:39
dbgltany ideas? :\02:39
dbgltand...02:39
dbglt kdm: Depends: kdebase-bin (= 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.7) but 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu28 is installed.02:39
dbglt       Depends: kdebase-data (< 4:3.5.7) but 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu28 is installed.02:39
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bazhangdbglt: is your system working okay? I had that same held back installables for a bit as well.02:40
dbgltbazhang: well, I haven't installed it yet02:40
dbgltbazhang: manually doing the aptitude update bit now, sicne the update wizard thing decided it hated me02:40
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dbglt"you quit me, now I will never let you back in - muahahahaha"02:40
dbgltand the like02:40
bazhangdbglt: ok. :}02:41
bazhang!apt02:41
ubotuAPT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)02:41
bazhang!dpkg02:41
ubotudpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.02:41
bazhangugh.02:41
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alex_mayorga!evdev02:41
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about evdev - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi02:41
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bazhangthere is an ubotu command that tells how to dpkg --configure -a, just can't recall right now...:{02:42
dbgltbazhang: yeah, that's what I'm doing now02:43
noahare there any caveats going from dev to prod when it comes out?02:44
ussernoah: not really no, with the last update it'll beta becomes release02:44
bazhangnoah: back up! :}02:45
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ussernoah: well yea02:45
ussernoah: do that :)02:45
bazhang:}02:45
GoDawgsIs anyone having package problems whilst upgrading to Gutsy?02:45
noahusser: bazhang: cool, thanksz02:45
bazhangnoah: no problem ;}02:46
GoDawgsspecifically:  "Failed to fetch http://wine.lowvoice.nl/apt/dists/feisty/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'wine.lowvoice.nl'"02:46
GoDawgs... or not ...02:48
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usserGoDawgs: comment out that line in /etc/apt/sources.list02:50
usserGoDawgs: the line with that address02:50
usserGoDawgs: how did it get there anyway02:51
GoDawgsI have no idea...02:51
GoDawgsok02:51
GoDawgsthank you02:51
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GoDawgsis that in just my regular sources list?02:51
usserGoDawgs: yea its supposed to be02:52
GoDawgsok02:52
GoDawgsi'll go check it02:52
GoDawgsthought because it was an update it was a special sources list02:52
rredd4do I have to dl the rc to load gibbon or is there another way?02:52
usserrredd4: u can upgrade from feisty02:52
usserrredd4: but if u do that i strongly suggest u to wait for its release02:53
GoDawgsusser, how come?02:53
usserrredd4: its 5 days away :)02:53
rredd4i have dl'd rc's before and had no problems, why wait?02:54
usserGoDawgs: i dunno i just feel that upgrade is something that always goes wrong especially if u upgrade to beta/rc but it was just my experience :)02:54
nomasteryodanice to see the knetworkmanager working totally cool now.!! it autoconnected to my secure network after being on a non-secure network... mind i have the "password" stored in the "non-secure' mode on this system02:54
bazhang:}02:54
GoDawgsok... i see... however, given that it's only five days away i think most of the big problems are outta the way... just my personal feeling02:54
rredd4usser using feisty now02:55
IndyGunFreakGoDawgs: probably, but it is still beta02:55
LiMaOrredd4: gutsy may still be broken02:55
LiMaOrredd4: that's the main reason for waiting02:55
usserGoDawgs: well heh, my xorg resets whenever apt-get starts installing packages :)02:55
bazhangthough a bit better than Vista beta :}02:55
rredd4are you using it?02:55
osmosisshould I install the release client, or wait for final ?02:55
usserGoDawgs: have to basically do installation twice02:56
GoDawgsosmosis, I'm doing that now...02:56
bazhangI'm using it :)02:56
osmosisGoDawgs: doing what?02:56
GoDawgsusser, right on... I see your point... I'm upgrading now though... I'm quite the trusting soul :)02:56
GoDawgsosmosis, I'm upgrading to Gutsy now02:56
LiMaOrredd4: i installed it a few days ago. it had some problems which i couldn't stand, such as openoffice not working, nautilus freezing, among some other minor stuff02:56
usserGoDawgs: i was just like u once.... aw the good old days ;)02:56
osmosisDoes gutsy still install a kernel that says (development) ?02:56
rredd4LiMaO  usng nvidia?02:57
IndyGunFreakOO.o works fine for me, i've honestly had no probs at all with Gutsy02:57
osmosisin other words...might the final version be a bit per bit copy of the release client ?02:57
crimsunosmosis: it won't02:57
osmosiscrimsun: no?02:57
nomasteryodaGoDawgs, i've been thru the bad... its good now02:57
crimsunwe've already had several updates since RC02:57
osmosiscrimsun: oh, nice. ok02:57
nomasteryodaGoDawgs, you rrom GA?02:57
=== usser true like kde 3.5.8 today
nomasteryodafrom02:57
usserif someone cares for kde02:58
nomasteryodausser, me... using now02:58
nomasteryodaits good02:58
GoDawgsnomasteryoda, you got it baby! ;)02:58
nomasteryodacool02:58
nomasteryodai'm down in Bonaire02:58
GoDawgsnomasteryoda, you too?02:58
nomasteryodaya02:58
GoDawgsnomasteryoda, right on :)02:58
=== IndyGunFreak would rather my face be stomped by Rosie O'Donnell wearing golf cleats, than use KDE
=== usser is down in uptown brooklyn
nomasteryodacheck out #ubuntu-georgia02:58
rredd4I am going to try rc..   apt command is?02:58
GoDawgsnomasteryoda, ok... i'll do it now02:59
nomasteryodaIndyGunFreak, lol02:59
nomasteryodak02:59
LiMaOrredd4: yes, nvidia02:59
usserIndyGunFreak: omg thats pretty damn gross02:59
usser:)02:59
IndyGunFreakusser: i ate kde02:59
DanaGOh yeah, for my issue with broken capture, what more can I do to help?02:59
usserIndyGunFreak: well i hate gnome02:59
IndyGunFreak*hate..lol02:59
DanaGI don't mind digging around at low-level things.02:59
IndyGunFreakusser: thank goodness for choice02:59
rredd4gnome here!!02:59
usserIndyGunFreak: amen brother :)02:59
IndyGunFreakthat we can all agree on02:59
DanaGFor example, today I hacked at my DSDT and figured out the cause of that awful blinking I was getting.02:59
bazhangthey're both nice!02:59
IndyGunFreakbazhang: i tend to disagree, i despise KDE..., Gnome and Xfce, are fine by me.03:00
usserDanaG: so what was it?03:00
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IndyGunFreakKDE looks like something for a 5yr old with all the sily names, icons, etc.03:00
DanaGMy DSDT had specific checks with 'equals' instead of with 'less than or equal'.03:00
usserIndyGunFreak: gnome is the same bloat as kde nowadays03:00
bazhangIndyGunFreak: I'm thinking of dual booting...Kubuntu and Ubuntu :)03:00
usserbazhang: perv03:01
usserlol03:01
rredd4LiMaO  what is the apt command please to upgrade03:01
IndyGunFreakusser: bloat isn't really the issue, but I think Gnome si a *bit* lighter, probably not much03:01
rredd4forgot03:01
bazhangyup03:01
DanaGSo instead of rounding to the nearest, or next, value, it was simply turning OFF.03:01
usserbazhang: just install both03:01
IndyGunFreakits the GUI, KDE's is just sickening03:01
bazhangusser: don't like to mix my peanut butter and chocolate :)03:01
usserIndyGunFreak: well we at least have a decent print system here03:01
IndyGunFreaki don't use a printer...lol03:02
DanaGI don't use KDE because it feels too bulky to me.03:02
usserarrh03:02
usserg03:02
DanaGNote that bulky is NOT the same as bloaty.03:02
LiMaOrredd4: check out this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades03:02
LiMaOrredd4: they have the command, plus some other stuff you may happen to come across during upgrade03:02
rredd4ty!03:03
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LiMaOrredd4: you're welcome.. and be sure to keep us aware of your success or problems with it =)03:03
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rredd4ok03:03
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DanaGOgg Vorbis FTW!03:03
nzeroanyone know why display config doesn't remember anything03:03
rredd4c ya on the gutsy side!!!   lol03:03
DanaGExcept for the impact on battery life.03:03
riotkittiebattery life is that bad? :|03:04
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usserogg is somewhat a complicated format isnt it?03:04
=== IndyGunFreak loves his ipod
usserpfft03:05
DanaGWell, the more annoying thing is that it makes the interface sluggish on my player, and you can't use as many audio effects.03:05
usseripod03:05
riotkittiei'd love my ipod if it were 28gb larger.03:05
nomasteryodalol03:05
IndyGunFreakriotkittie: lol, i've got a 30gig03:05
nzerohey ikonia, do you know why the displayconfig won't remember what monitor i tell it is connected03:05
riotkittieIndyGunFreak: i dont :(03:05
usseromg my collection is like 500 megs03:05
riotkittiemine's like. 52 gigs :D03:06
IndyGunFreakusser: ?.. amateur...lol, i'm about 9gigs03:06
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IndyGunFreakriotkittie: ?..lol, geez, you need an 80gig.03:06
=== usser yes but these are all my favorites only
LiMaOmp3report says i would take over a month to listen to my whole collection. i wonder what's the point of having such a big ipod that would hold it all.. maybe it would be  fun if i were lost on a desert island hehe03:06
usserLiMaO: exactly03:06
usserwhy have so much memory03:07
usseri never quite understood that03:07
riotkittieIndyGunFreak: i was thinking about it, but really, for the amount i use my ipod, an 8 gig nano would be fine :P03:07
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nzerowell you can use it as a storage device as well03:07
riotkittietho an 80gb would have been a godsend when my unbacked up hd died. <cue sadness>03:07
nzeroan ipod is also a portable storage device03:07
nzerofor anything03:07
LiMaOit's like willing to carry a whole library under your arm the whole day. you can have a library at your home, but will take only 1 or 2 books with you during the day03:07
IndyGunFreakriotkittie: i see, i use my ipod quite a bit, workng out, etc.... so i keep all my music on it.03:07
nzeromajor design flaw in the ipods is there storage though, flash memory is much better03:08
LiMaOnzero, portable device? get a 500gb external compact drive03:08
ussernzero: didnt they switch to static memory in nano?03:08
riotkittiei wish i could plug an sdcard in D:03:08
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IndyGunFreakLiMaO: lol, ive got a 500gig external, not really compact thoguh03:08
IndyGunFreakmakes it easy for restoring03:09
lee__hello03:09
bazhanghi lee__03:09
LiMaOIndyGunFreak: that's the point. you will NEVER need to copy 500gb 'on the fly', during a day.. that's why it doesn't need to be 'so' compact heh03:09
IndyGunFreaki got the drive for 89 on sale at TigerDirect(WD), and the enclosure was 2503:09
lee__eh whats a 64 bit system good for lol?03:09
LiMaOsame thing with huge memory ipods i think03:09
IndyGunFreakLiMaO: i see, makes sense03:09
nzeroif you drop an ipod with enough force, you'll screw the drive, if you drop a player with flash rom then your data is safe.03:10
LiMaOlee__: compression / 3d rendering / distributed networking (participation)03:10
nzeroi thing they did switch to flash in nano03:10
riotkittienew nanos are so ugly.03:11
lee__distributed networking (participation)? and Compression?..I understand the 3d rendering lol03:11
riotkittieooh. i should start looking for second gens on clearance :D03:11
LiMaOlee__: try compreesing 50gb to a bz2 file under 32bit.. then just check it out under 64bit. you'll see the difference03:12
lee__ooooh ok its like rendering video on a 486 verses rendering vid on on a p4 lol03:13
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DanaGVersion 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1:03:13
DanaG  * New upstream release03:13
lee__so if they ever get video editing software then i set lol. right LiMaO03:14
DanaGWow, that's a detailed changelog..... not.03:14
lee__Wellone things fer sure my graphis sure have greatly improved lol03:14
crimsunDebian changelogs normally should not replicate upstream changelogs03:14
lee__no herky jerky03:14
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DanaGHmm, at least provide a link to the upstream....03:16
lee__i guess that explains why they didnt come out whith flash...waait that compersion thing..does it effect viewing dvd's?03:16
DanaGWell, I'm happy today because I fixed that godawful blinking.  I had to edit my dsdt to do it, though.03:17
DanaGOh yeah, is there any way to replace the dsdt on demand, instead of only from the initramfs?03:17
lee__eh how do i get the text to sopeech opperational?03:18
LiMaOlee__: 64bit would only improve video viewing if it involves post processing03:18
lee__coolio03:19
DanaGHere's another reason I use Linux as my primary OS: multi-finger scrolling and tapping.03:19
lee__so unless i am going to majory start working on 3d models i need to run 32 bit then lol right03:19
LiMaOwell, actually you should run 64bit on a 64bit hardware. it won't hurt at all03:20
lee__oh...but no flash :(03:21
lee__oh it has wine that came with it lol03:21
LiMaOer, i have both things03:22
LiMaOflash, java, wine03:22
lee__but I just realsied tht its K-unbuntu lol03:22
LiMaOactually all 'three' things03:22
lee__ eh how did yout get flash opperational on your system?03:23
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LiMaOhttp://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb - read for 64bit wine03:23
LiMaOi'll give you the link for java and flash03:24
lee__for 64 bit? I went to the adoby sight03:24
addosis gusty still a debug enabled build?03:24
addosit seems like sound is choppy03:24
addosand isn't as optimized as a final release03:24
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lee__yeah I am on gutsy 64seems stable03:25
rocketsI accidentally closed the "channels" tab in gimp03:25
rocketsany idea how to get it back?03:25
bqmasseyhellllooo03:25
bqmasseyi can't log on to root03:25
bqmassey.. fresh 7.10 installation03:25
DanaG!sudo03:25
ubotusudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.03:26
LiMaOlee__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins -- read on for flash and java03:26
bqmasseyi thought it was 'su'03:26
rocketsnvr mind found it03:26
lee__ok ty03:26
rocketsbqmassey, you can't login to root directly in ubuntu03:26
LiMaOlee__: READ it to understand =P03:26
rocketsbqmassey, you do sudo -i03:26
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rocketsbqmassey, then enter your password03:26
bqmasseycool. thanks.03:26
level1hi, I want to try the radeon driver for my card, but I can't find it in the repositories, what is it called?  does it come by default?03:27
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bqmasseyI'm really enjoying ubuntu03:28
bqmasseyfirst time i've every liked linux03:28
bqmasseyever03:28
riotkittieflgrx fglrx f.. fxglr frxgl fl... <me gives up>03:28
DanaGHow the heck do you pronounce fglrx?  There aren't any vowels!03:29
rredd4please look at this.  got this when I did gksudo "update-manager -c -d"     http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40480/03:29
riotkittielevel1: if you go to the System Menu > Administration ... you should be able to enable it from there03:29
level1riotkittie: whats the kde equivalent to that?03:29
level1DanaG: f-g-l-r-x?03:30
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forevertheuniI've just updated my gutsy03:30
forevertheuni....and 6 days from release my gdm is broken03:30
riotkittielevel1: i have spent 5 minutes in kde in the last 4 years, 4 and three quarters of them clawing at my eyes. i am not sure, sorry.03:30
forevertheunilool03:30
bqmasseyis a "workspace" the same as a "desktop"03:30
riotkittiei like to call them fuglorex. which is really fun to say at high speed.03:31
lee__Ok I get the Picture "I am aware that this is a very bad idea lol.03:31
lee__they sure do have a sense of humor03:31
nomasteryodabqmassey, basically but desktop mostly means the thing that is in front of you... the workspace would be all the "spaces" around the virtual desktop on which you could have more apps running03:31
level1bqmassey: I've used three versions of ubuntu, and each version was progressively less buggy... I have hope that a version of ubuntu could appear in a year or two that is truely free of serious bugs03:31
_dan_i dont recall serious bugs in the other version03:32
forevertheunime neither03:32
riotkittiethe only thing i've really had a problem with was my wireless in feisty. yay for complete freezes. :D03:33
level1riotkittie: I'm sorry you have that opinion of kde, its really not that bad!  to be fair, I haven't used very much gnome03:33
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rredd4upgrade error  please help   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40480/03:33
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riotkittielevel1: i'm not knocking it. i mean, i'm sure that it's got merits, and i'm sure it's a fine desktop environment in its own right... it's just way too... "busy"? for me.03:34
forevertheunithe purge function is through dpkg-reconfigure?03:34
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dystopianrayis kopete still broken in gutsy?03:35
level1riotkittie: I see that... I expect that newer version of kde will be more utilitarian with what they have by default03:35
riotkittieits like, i load it and develop instant ADD :P03:35
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riotkittieany idea when the newer version's coming out?03:36
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level1riotkittie: its been pushed back to the end of the century... seriously, though, it'll be at least december03:36
canenhello03:37
LiMaOrredd4: thought i was gonna see you on the 'gutsy side'?! =P03:38
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rredd4http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40480/03:38
LiMaOi saw that03:38
level1riotkittie: it probably won't be truely impressive until 4.103:38
rredd4errors03:38
LiMaOno idea on how to fix it03:38
rredd4me either03:38
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rredd4:(03:38
LiMaOrredd4: will have to wait some more days =/03:38
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rredd4figures....03:39
bqmasseywhen i turn compiz effects on and off and play with settings... my computer gets really slow until i restart03:39
bqmasseythen all the effects work and it's fast03:40
bqmassey... anyway to just restart compiz or something03:40
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riotkittiei wish they hadnt blacklisted my card. i'm going to reinstall and completely forget how to override it.03:40
LiMaObqmassey: no need to restart your computer. just hit ctrl+alt+backspace03:40
LiMaOthat will restart the x server03:40
bqmasseywhat's tha tdo?03:40
bqmasseyah cool03:40
canenany pointers on getting flash to work with konqueror on gutsy?03:41
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canen9.0.48.0.2+really0ubuntu12 is the installed version03:41
forevertheunigdm is broken03:41
level1LiMaO: lol, next time tell him to delete win3203:41
canenupgraded from fiesty but it didn't work there either03:41
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riotkittieand i wish animations weren't causing such wackiness. otoh, theyre useless, and i can do away with them. but.03:41
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riotkittiewatching my windows fold themselves into airplanes and fly to my panel fills me with such glee :x03:42
LiMaOlevel1: who are you talking about?03:42
level1LiMaO: nothing, nevermind03:42
earlmredheh nice, "do not run gutsy" isn't in the topic anymore.03:42
LiMaOearlmred: now it should say 'run it at your own risk' =P03:42
lee__eh what file is the fire for 32?03:42
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level1riotkittie: I wish ati hadn't decided to screw me with this **** card03:43
earlmredLiMaO, eh i've been running a few weeks, no /huge/ issues03:43
bqmasseyi guess that closes your programs too03:43
earlmredfirefox and open office like to randomly crash on me though03:43
bqmasseythat shortcut03:43
LiMaObqmassey: oh yeah, sorry not to mention that hehe03:43
lee__eh theres a file taht is just plain fire fox03:43
riotkittielevel1: which card would that be?03:43
bqmasseylol, np03:43
level1mobility radeon X140003:43
lee__would that be th one?03:43
LiMaObqmassey: it kills graphic applications that depends on x03:43
riotkittieoh yea. firefox is evil lately.03:43
bqmasseyit's not like i was on page 10 of a 12 page report i was writing and hadn't saved03:43
earlmredmight just compile firefox from source and see if it makes a difference03:44
LiMaOlee__: let me tell ya, just a sec03:44
level1riotkittie: I'm a konqueror fan.  konqueror ftw!03:44
earlmredbqmassey, open office only likes to crash on me when i try to open cvs/xls\03:44
earlmred=\03:44
lee__ok and yes i have all the contents extracted03:44
earlmredi guess i should submit a bug report for it03:44
rredd4LiMaO  downloading the rc.  doing it the hard way.. lol03:44
bqmasseyhehe03:44
bqmasseywhat was the shortcut again?03:44
riotkittieah. i have a x300. :|  which sucks, but ... is sufficient  :P03:44
LiMaOlee__: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/download.html?product=firefox-2.0.0.7&os=linux&lang=en-US03:44
LiMaOafter you download that03:44
riotkittiei cant justify buying a new card. :|03:44
lee__hasn't had any crashes ..yet03:44
LiMaOjust extract the whole folder03:44
LiMaOas instructed on the first site i gave you the link for03:45
lee__yes limamao03:45
LiMaOrredd4: are you going to do a fresh install?03:45
lee__yes i still have it03:45
canenno one using konqueror + flash?03:45
earlmredbah, another xorg update03:45
earlmredso it can fuck up my setup and then i can copy back my config file03:45
rredd4LiMaO  yup03:45
LiMaOcanen: i guess people here are not so passionate for kde hehe03:45
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canenLiMaO: :)03:45
earlmredLiMaO, i haven't run kde in about 6 years ..03:45
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bqmasseywhat's the restart shortcut again?03:46
bqmasseyctrl + alt + backspace ?03:46
LiMaOrredd4: be aware of the possible problems, as they may be harder to fix if you don't have a graphical interface03:46
lee__whts kde lol03:46
LiMaObqmassey: yes, exactly03:46
bqmasseyk thanks03:46
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bqmasseyhow do i add a program to my start up?03:46
lee__oh wait is that what i have ?03:46
LiMaOearlmred: i tried it about a week ago.. installed kubuntu. i kept it for about 5 minutes. that was enough for me to get tired of kde hehe03:46
lee__that k -ubuntu?03:46
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rredd4LiMaO  ok, i will take my chances..03:47
lee__lol03:47
LiMaObqmassey: System > Administration > Synaptic03:47
LiMaObqmassey: or Applications > Add/Remove03:47
earlmredguess i'll install these 31 updates03:47
earlmredand see what blows up03:47
rredd4LiMaO  its going to take about an hour to dl the rc03:47
lee__lol03:47
silent[ca] my system only boots with the noapic option, any way I can fix this03:47
lee__carefull you might be out a toaster lol03:47
rredd4200k/sec03:47
earlmredi may just have to buy codeweavers and run ms office03:47
earlmred=\03:47
bqmasseyi want a program that i've already installed to start up with my computer03:48
lee__any how liMaO.. whats nexct omn the chopping block now that i have hacked it to pieces lol03:48
earlmredbah fuck you openoffice.03:48
earlmred"2.3.0 (stable)03:48
earlmredbullshit.03:48
lee__eh how do i fix it lol03:48
stdin!language | earlmred03:49
ubotuearlmred: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.03:49
lee__eh i am stable..read all of my moms docs lol03:49
earlmredbah, i forget +1 is familyfriendly03:49
earlmredsorry.03:49
LiMaOlee__: what did you break? lol just follow all the instructions on the site, there's no way of breaking it heh03:49
silent[ca] my system only boots with the noapic option, any way I can fix this?03:50
LiMaObqmassey: oh sorry, i got the point. you have to add it as a service03:50
lee__oh Limao, i need to know what the correct fire fox thingy is lol03:50
earlmredi guess we gotta make sure not to teach those kids running the wind up linux laptops in africa no english curse words03:50
LiMaOlee__: what do you mean? you got the compressed file? downloaded off the net03:50
lee__yes and i unpacked it LiMaO03:50
LiMaOlee__: alright, now have you moved it to the directory mentioned in the instructions?03:51
lee__and stuck on Step 2..theres just a thing that says fire fox, eh not fire fox 3203:51
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bqmasseyok... i just want pidgin to start up automatically.. ill try to figure it out03:51
lee__eh ok03:51
LiMaOlee__: wait, i'll give you more precise instructions03:52
LiMaOlee__: sudo mv firefox /usr/local/firefox3203:52
earlmredhmm, anybody using a browser other than firefox these days?03:52
LiMaOfirefox = the name of the uncompressed folder03:52
LiMaOlee__: firefox32 = the name the folder will have when moved to /usr/local/03:52
BinaryFuOkay, networking question/issue: I have a wired connection on my system. I just picked up a Wireless Netgear Adapter. It is assigned as wlan0, but in NETWORK under ADMIN, it's showing up as another WIRED connection, with ROAMING enabled, and no way to turn it on or off...anyone have a clue on how to fix this and get wireless working on my box?03:53
LiMaOjust follow the exact instructions... just have to type what's specified and it'll be all fine03:53
earlmredBinaryFu, dhclient wlan0 ?03:54
BinaryFuHmmm....03:54
BinaryFuSays, SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such device, Listening on LPF/wlan0/00:00:00:00:00:0003:55
lee__OH du....i substitute my name for usr egh ok i got erg03:55
BinaryFuAnd send_packet: Network is down03:55
earlmredBinaryFu, have you installed the module/driver needed for the adapter?03:56
BinaryFuIt just fired up, one minute it was showing Wired/Wireless, then it disappeared.03:56
BinaryFuIt's acting a little wonky.03:56
BinaryFuSee, right now, it's showing me Enable networking/Enable Wireless03:57
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lee__there is no file with firefox32 in its name is it just plain fire fox?04:00
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nomasteryodaright should be just firefox04:00
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nomasteryodaunless its firefox-3.004:00
BinaryFuOkay, let's start from the beginning. Here's what Device Manager has to say about it: Vendor: Unknown. Device: Unknown. Status: Status. Bus Type: USB Interface. Device Type: "net", "net.80211" Capabilities: net, net.8021104:01
BinaryFuSo, do I need to hunt for some vague drivers, is this a windows based adapter that I'm going to have to wrap drivers for?04:01
riotkittienetwork-manager is dysfunctional. or at least it was when i washed my hands of it04:01
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riotkittiewhat chipset's the adapter using?04:02
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lee__(firefox-bin:3383): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtengine.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64?04:03
jaymwow RC1 is rock solid so far EXCELLENT can't wait to upgrade to final04:03
LiMaOlee__: it's just called firefox. you will have to rename it, just to distinguish it from the original firefox (wich will be the 64bit one)04:03
BinaryFuNevermind kittie, I just checked google...04:03
lee__ok how do I rename it?04:03
LiMaOlee__: i'm pretty sure you are not following the exact instructions. you're probably lost on that step by step04:03
BinaryFu*sniffle*04:03
BinaryFuFirst thing I find...04:03
BinaryFuHow to set it up under Hoary....04:03
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BinaryFuNDISWRAPPER04:04
LiMaOlee__: it's ALL explaint on that site i gave you04:04
BinaryFu*sob*04:04
LiMaOlee__: i told you to read it. it's a step by step. you just have to read it. copy and paste the commands04:04
lee__Iam reading it Iam stuck on the second line04:04
lee__I did taht04:04
LiMaOwhich second line?04:04
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LiMaOcopy the command here04:05
jaymvpnc on network manager does not work but that is minor04:05
LiMaOthe one you didn't understand on that is giving you problems04:05
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BinaryFuHmmmm.... riotkittie: It does mention Prism2...04:05
BinaryFuI wonder...04:05
lee__Open a terminal. Extract the tarball and move it (adjust the file name as needed):04:05
lee__tar -zxf firefox-2.0.0.6.tar.gz04:05
lee__sudo mv firefox /usr/local/firefox3204:05
LiMaOlet me explain it to you04:06
LiMaOthat tar command is the 'unpacking' command04:06
lee__Open a terminal. Extract the tarball and move it (adjust the file name as needed):04:06
lee__tar -zxf firefox-2.0.0.6.tar.gz04:06
lee__sudo mv firefox /usr/local/firefox3204:06
lee__oops sorry04:06
LiMaOafter it's unpacked (or uncompressed, however you may want to call it)04:06
LiMaOyou have to copy the uncompressed folder04:06
lee__yes its like uzipping a folder04:06
LiMaOwhich is called firefox04:06
LiMaOto /usr/local04:06
lee__ok04:06
LiMaOand then rename that folder to firefox3204:07
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lee__ok04:07
LiMaOto move the folder and rename it at the same time, you just have to type the mentioned command04:07
BinaryFuIt *can't* be this easy, to dl the drivers for it and try again...04:07
LiMaOwhich is 'sudo mv firefox /usr/local/firefox32'04:07
LiMaOwithout the quotes04:07
lee__ok jsut a sec04:07
BinaryFuIt *can't* be that easy...04:07
jaymare they any real outstanding bugs or is RC1 it04:07
Geoffrey2well, right now I can't get Gutsy to boot from CD.....04:09
Geoffrey2I'm getting a PCI allocation error at which point everything appears to hang04:09
nomasteryodaGeoffrey2, bad download?04:09
nomasteryodaerr, iso04:09
BinaryFuSon of a....04:10
lee__Eh I have a second issue, a bigger bug then I thaught...It wont extcact it taht way iit said permision denied04:10
lee__but it will go into my /home/lee04:10
LiMaOlee__: no, you shouldn't put it in your home04:10
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LiMaOyou are not reading the commands properly04:10
BinaryFuriotkittie: I now officially feel like a newb again. I just looked prism2 up in syn, downloaded the drivers/util for it...and just checked my network, "WIRELESS ENABLED"04:11
lee__I realise taht but waht Iam syaing is I get a great big thingy that says report this bug04:11
LiMaO1st time, you can NOT decompress it directly to /usr folder04:11
lee__and a great big Denied04:11
LiMaOyou should decompress it to some other folder04:11
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lee__i know, i even tried pasting it04:11
LiMaOand then use the terminal to move it, using the 'sudo mv' command04:11
bqmasseyanyone have an idea as to how to dim my screen? sony vaio04:11
dragonfly7Does anyone have any experience with getting a Broadcom wireless card to work on an Inspiron 1720? I have tried a few thing from the forums, with no luck.04:11
Geoffrey2nomasteryoda, dunno, I get the menu, choose the Start or Install option, then I get the kernel progress bar, followed by "27.366871 PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 1 of Device 0000:00:14.0"04:12
LiMaOlee__: you don't know how to use the terminal, do you? i see that you are not following the instructions, and is trying to do everything from the graphical interface.. right?04:12
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LiMaOlee__: don't be afraid of saying you don't know how to do it, i'm here to explain it, to help04:12
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lee__eh jsut a sec.04:12
LiMaOok04:12
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BinaryFuSo, anyone have a clue about prismstumbler?04:13
lee__how do i a cctivate the thing taht alows you to access the system04:13
BinaryFuOr something that would work similarly? Because prismstumbler seems to only like to work with like, one of only a handful of cards.04:13
nomasteryodaBinaryFu, does the smswcanner work wiht your card?04:13
nomasteryodaerr, swscanner04:13
lee__I have the remote desk top up and ready04:13
BinaryFunomasteryoda: I'm thinking not...because prismstumbler is showing eth0 as the only accessible port to use for scanning.04:14
BinaryFuBut having no real experience with this, just starting to learn, I dunno.04:14
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nomasteryodaBinaryFu, you have a prism card?04:14
BinaryFuYep yep04:14
nomasteryodai use kismete04:14
nomasteryodakismet04:14
LiMaOlee__: do, i don't use those things hehe if you want me to help ya by acessing your computer you should install x11vnc04:14
LiMaOtype 'sudo apt-get install x11vnc' on a terminal04:14
LiMaOtell me when it's installed04:14
lee__oh..04:14
lee__ok iam at this sight04:14
nomasteryodaworks very well with almost all cards... you just a have to edit the /etc/kismet/kismet.conf file04:14
lee__https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins04:15
BinaryFunomasteryoda: Got a little time to do some hand-holding through the config fields?04:15
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lee__its this line I do not under stand04:15
LiMaOlee__: yes, you are there.04:16
lee__tar -zxf firefox-2.0.0.6.tar.gz04:16
lee__sudo mv firefox /usr/local/firefox3204:16
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nomasteryodawell i can try04:16
nomasteryodasure04:16
BinaryFuThanks.04:16
nomasteryodajust sec04:16
LiMaOlee__: FORGET about the 1st line. UNcompress the file to your DESKTOP04:16
LiMaOlee__: after it's uncompressed, open up a terminal and type the following command:04:16
lee__ok04:17
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bqmasseywhere does one set the number of workspaces?04:17
LiMaOlee__: 'sudo mv /home/your-name-here/Desktop/firefox /usr/local/firefox32'04:17
lee__terminals still open04:17
LiMaOit'll ask for your password, you type it in04:17
nomasteryodawait, what are yall trying to do LiMaO ? .. firefox is in the Repos04:17
BinaryFunomasteryoda: Wow, didn't take long for me to hit a snag....source= for capture sources...I understand what it's saying, now where's the bloody readme so I can pick from the list...04:17
LiMaOnomasteryoda: install 32bit firefox on his 64bit sys04:17
nomasteryodaah oh yea04:18
nomasteryodagotcha04:18
LiMaOnomasteryoda: he's having difficulties following the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins04:18
nomasteryodaBinaryFu, that is the thing... hang on04:18
nomasteryodaya04:18
nomasteryodai c04:18
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nomasteryodaBinaryFu, make sure you have hostap installed04:18
BinaryFuDoing so right now... :)04:19
nomasteryoda'source=hostap,eth1,hostap')04:20
bqmasseywhere does one set the number of workspaces?04:20
nomasteryodajust put that in if eth1 is your card04:20
nomasteryodafor Ubuntu or kubuntu?04:20
BinaryFuubuntu04:20
nomasteryodaand compiz?04:20
BinaryFuHow can I check what's setup?04:20
BinaryFuActually, I have the compiz turned off right now, until it's released 100%04:21
nomasteryodaBinaryFu, ok04:21
LiMaOlee__: are you still with me?04:21
BinaryFuIt gets crazy on my box sometimes and eats my window bars. :D04:21
nomasteryodai was attempting to help bqmassey04:21
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boselectahow come ctrl-alt-F? doesn't take me to a text mode console anymore?04:21
nomasteryodaBinaryFu, ya that happens to me...04:21
bqmasseynomasteryoda: oh! sorry.. didnt know you were talking to me04:21
BinaryFunomasteryoda: So, what can I toss in the CLI to show me my eth0/1 etc04:22
BinaryFuI know there's a command for it, I forget it. :D04:22
nomasteryodaboselecta, check your /boot/grub/menu.list and make sure the line for your kernel does not have extra vga= and quiet04:22
nomasteryodabqmassey, hehe04:22
boselectathx04:22
nomasteryodaifconfig -a04:22
BinaryFuTHAT'S THE ONE!04:22
nomasteryodaBinaryFu, iwconfig for specifics on the wireless04:23
BinaryFuI got wlan0 showing up for that puppy.04:23
nomasteryodacool04:23
nomasteryodathen edit the line... source=hostap,wlan0,hostap04:23
BinaryFuiwconfig shows no wireless extensions...lol04:23
boselectai have vga=771 quiet in there04:23
nomasteryodajust once?04:23
boselectayeah04:24
nomasteryodajust sec04:24
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xjkxwhat happened to #ubuntu-dev :o04:25
etzerdhello all04:25
xjkxoh worked now04:25
etzerdhow can I add more repositories in RC1?04:25
Picixjkx: ?04:25
Picier, nvm04:25
xjkxnevermind04:25
xjkx:>04:25
nomasteryodaetzerd, you can edit the /etc/apt/sources.list04:25
nomasteryodalike you need a faster mirror?04:26
nomasteryodaor closer04:26
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etzerdwhat should I do after I edit it?04:26
nomasteryodabqmassey, check the list here... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs04:26
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Picietzerd: System>Administration>Software sources04:26
nomasteryodaetzerd, do what Pici said04:26
Picietzerd: third party software tab.04:26
etzerdthanks04:27
etzerdlet me try that04:27
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ractercan i still use python 2.4 as my default python in gutsy?04:27
bqmasseynomasteryoda: what's that link for?04:27
kavelotI'm trying to install ubuntu 7.10 (desktop) on a new PC, but it crashes when loading the GUI... sometimes caps and scrollock blink... any hints?04:27
nomasteryodaoh list of bugs04:27
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nomasteryodathere is a bug in the initrd scripts or some such for booting...04:28
nomasteryodai have the same issue here too04:28
nomasteryodalol04:28
nomasteryodai rebooted earlier today but have not switched to tty1... nice one04:28
kavelothm, is it happening only on the 7.10?04:28
nomasteryodayup...04:29
nomasteryodawill be fixed04:29
kavelotok, thanks04:29
nomasteryodadevs are working it right now...04:29
nomasteryodabet my Feisty on it04:29
nomasteryoda=D04:29
nomasteryodai don't really like the way ff3 handles https in the address bar, but it lets you know its secure for sure04:30
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boselectaso it's a known issue?04:30
nomasteryodathe tty?04:30
boselectayeah04:30
nomasteryodayup04:30
boselectaOK thx.04:30
nomasteryodaubotu04:31
etzerdPici, since there's no ubuntuguide yet for version 7.10 how can I add the software to play DVD?04:31
boselectawas burned by the evms mess lastnight too04:31
nomasteryodalibdvdcss204:31
PiciThe same way you did in feisty?04:31
nomasteryodaseek on tha google and ye shall find04:31
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lee__Do rename the folder or File ?04:32
boselectawhat's the bug number for the tty?04:34
Geoffrey2the MD5 checks out, so the ISO download is good...but I can't get Gutsy RC to load04:34
nomasteryodahangon04:34
WorkingOnWiseok, It's probably realllly simple, but I cant figure it out! How do I lay a DVD movie in Totem? The help says it can, but when I do what help says, It doesn't see the dvd as a supported type??04:35
nomasteryodaBug #12991004:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 129910 in initramfs-tools "tty[1-6]  are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [Critical,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12991004:35
nomasteryodathere it is04:35
boselectathx04:36
nomasteryodaah, thank launchpad04:36
nomasteryoda=D04:36
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etzerdpici?04:38
MTecknologyI'm having troubles with the keyring manager04:38
Picietzerd: ?04:38
boselectaweird you can log in to them and do stuff but can't see anything04:38
addosis rc1 unoptimized?04:38
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etzerdwhich of the 2 GUI that you think is best, Gnome or KDE?04:38
MTecknologyI try to use it, the login keyring has 3 blank entries and the default keyring is locked04:38
Picietzerd: I think it depends on your preferences.04:39
railzi just installed gusty and have compiz working but can't find some of the window effects like minimize fire04:39
nomasteryodaboselecta, ya it is weird...04:39
nomasteryodai use Xnest now... and screen04:39
etzerdfor your own experience since you know Linux, which one do you prefere?04:39
railzdo i not need to switch to emerald window manager for those effects?04:39
nomasteryodathose work well04:39
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nomasteryodaetzerd, ubuntu04:40
Picietzerd: I prefer Gnome, but I always have a few terminal windows open to do stuff that way.04:40
usserrailz: no04:40
nomasteryodarailz, you need to install ccsm04:40
usserrailz: install ccsm as nomasteryoda said04:40
railzno pkg ccsm04:40
nomasteryodaand the extras to get the coolness... =D04:40
Picicompizconfig-settings-manager04:41
usserrailz: compiz-config-settings-manager04:41
nomasteryodathanks04:41
usser:004:41
nomasteryodai use it all the time but forget the name now... icons spoil my fingers04:41
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etzerdI think KDE look very similar to windows, I kind like prefere kde better than Gnome, but it seems like Gnome is the main GUI for the Linux operating system.04:42
nomasteryodanah04:42
nomasteryodathat depends on the distro04:42
nomasteryodabut the main reason for Gnome being so popular is its Freedom04:42
etzerdPici: one last question.04:43
usseretzerd: that is actually not true04:43
nomasteryodakde uses trolltech's stuff04:43
Picietzerd: yesss?04:43
nomasteryodawhich is not free04:43
railzi have compiz-config installed, and i chose burn but it's having no effect04:43
usseretzerd: Linus uses KDE04:43
railzso i thought gnome's window manager was still active instead of emerald04:43
lee__'/home/lee/Desktop/firefox/firefox04:43
etzerdwhat is the easier and quickest way to install the software that will allow you to play commercial DVD?04:44
nomasteryodarailz, try this... Alt+F2 then type killall -9 compiz.real ... then start that again with "compiz --replace &04:44
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nomasteryodawithout quotes04:44
lee__limiao thats what i have for an exe file04:44
usseretzerd: sudo apt-get install livdvdread304:44
etzerdusser: I agree04:44
nomasteryodathen Alt+F2 emerald --replace &04:44
nomasteryodashould work fine04:44
usseretzerd: and then theres a script in that packages that downloads libdvdcss04:44
etzerdsince I'm new to linux that is why I asked so many question04:44
nomasteryodano problem etzerd04:45
etzerdthanks usser04:45
railzok now i have emerald running04:45
nomasteryodak04:45
railzi thought they added something to gutsy instead of having to do compiz --replace &04:45
_dan_etzerd www.ubuntuguide.org is great for such questions, there is alot explained there04:45
nomasteryodaya04:45
LiMaOlee__: now you have to open up a terminal and type 'sudo mv /home/lee/Desktop/firefox/firefox /usr/local/firefox32'04:45
railzbut burn still does not seem to be working04:45
nomasteryodaits there, just wanted you to restart it04:45
nomasteryodahangon04:45
usseretzerd: and then do sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh04:45
nomasteryodayou need to edit the animations i think04:46
LiMaOlee__: COPY and PASTE the command above, to avoid mispelling something04:46
railzah i see the prob04:46
railzif i choose add burn the rest of the values are empty and it doesn't work04:46
nomasteryodai set burn for close window04:46
railzbut if i edit the default and change it it worked04:46
etzerdusser I have an error that said "could not find livdvdread3"04:46
lee__ok now i have a grapic that came up  and in the box i have a grahic up but theres one catch, unless i was to rename the file its self04:46
lee__there is not 3204:47
usseretzerd: my bad libdvdread304:47
etzerdok thanks04:47
rabiddachshundIs the mouse controlled by xorg?04:47
nomasteryodayea the setings are there04:47
nomasteryodarabiddachshund,04:47
nomasteryodayup04:47
nomasteryodawhat mouse?04:47
ussermouse is controlled by u :)04:47
nomasteryodalol04:47
nomasteryodanice one usser04:47
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rabiddachshundlqtm. Sorry, I forgot to specify I'm on a laptop.04:48
nomasteryodarabiddachshund, is it a synaptics pad?04:48
lee__No such file or directory04:48
rabiddachshundIt doesn't like my scroll wheel.04:48
nomasteryodaor alps?04:48
_dan_etzerd http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_install_DVD_playback_capability04:48
rabiddachshundyes.04:48
nomasteryodarabiddachshund, ah...04:48
LiMaOlee__: oh lee.. for God's sake.. just type what i'm telling you to type04:48
nomasteryodarabiddachshund, there is a package to install to let you tweak it04:48
lee__I did04:48
LiMaOwhen you type that, it WILL CREATE the folder, and copy everything from firefox to firefox3204:49
lee__oh ok04:49
rabiddachshundgsynaptics?04:49
nomasteryodaLiMaO, i think God would like the Chris tian edition of ubuntu04:49
LiMaOyou are not typing the command, you are trying to do it some other way04:49
nomasteryodarabiddachshund, that will help04:49
lee__grr closing down the 2 boxes and the grapical box that popped up04:49
nomasteryodahang on rabiddachshund04:49
LiMaOnomasteryoda: at least it would be bug free =P04:49
nomasteryodalol04:50
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usserchristian edition would be full of prejudices04:50
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usserholy inquisition edition04:50
LiMaOlol04:50
nomasteryodarabiddachshund,  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=97542104:50
nomasteryodaLOl04:50
Pici!o4o04:50
ubotuSome things are inappropriate for #ubuntu+1.  Controversial topics: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.04:50
nomasteryoda+++04:50
nomasteryodaya love that04:50
nomasteryodawe have a special edition for Muslims too now04:51
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nomasteryodayet can't talk about it04:51
usserpolit correctness04:51
nomasteryodaya04:51
nomasteryodaso back to work04:51
usseror whatever its called nowadays04:51
nomasteryodarabiddachshund, you see that file?04:51
rabiddachshundok. I'll try that.04:51
lee__ok coppying and pasting this exaclty 'sudo mv /home/lee/Desktop/firefox/firefox /usr/local/firefox32'04:52
LiMaOexactly04:52
nomasteryodathe gsynaptics is limited, but will work... be sure to include the SHM part04:52
LiMaOcopy and paste that in a terminal window04:52
nomasteryoda    Option  "SHMConfig"  "true"04:52
rabiddachshundIt works fine, it just doesn't recognize the scroll area.04:52
nomasteryodaright04:52
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nomasteryodathis will get you going04:52
lee__my sytem is the one messing up not me04:52
rabiddachshundah04:52
nomasteryodayou can edit and add those control lines... Options04:53
LiMaOlee__: there's no messing up on that step by step.. just have to type stuff.. =)04:53
LiMaOlee__: do you want me to write a script that will do everything for you? automatically04:53
nomasteryoda    Option  "UpDownScrolling"       "1"04:53
lee__wate I see wahts happening04:53
procrastinatorhmm, i think this may have more to do with openoffice, but anyways, oo crashes anytime i try to edit a graph in calc as well as in a few other circumstances, any ideas why/similar experiences/fixes?04:53
nosrednaekimsweetgutsy is getting nicer! 64 bit flash plugin is amazing, sound is great, wireless is awesome, thanks guys!!04:53
LiMaOlee__: sorry? i didn't understand what you said04:53
rabiddachshundok. As long as I'm in xorg.conf, will the high screen resolution fix for feisty work in gutsy? (intel i810)04:53
usserLiMaO: yea but the script has to be launched :)04:54
nomasteryodaprocrastinator, might be a java issue04:54
lee__No such file or directorNo such file or directorNo such file or directorNo such file or directorNo such file or directorNo such file or directorNo such file or directorNo such filNo such file or directorNo such file or directorwahte or directorNo such file or directorNo such file or director04:54
nosrednaekimrabiddachshund: yeah.. ti should04:54
lee__waht the hell idint type that04:54
nomasteryodarabiddachshund, i use the i810 fix on mine... not the intel driver04:54
procrastinatornomasteryoda: although not conclusive, i originally had the jre for oo disabled04:54
nomasteryodacause it did not work for me rabiddachshund04:54
LiMaOusser: launched? where? hehe04:54
nomasteryodahmmm04:54
procrastinatornomasteryoda: thinking the same thing, i enabled the jre and it still doesnt work04:54
lee__that keyed in its self I didnt type that04:54
LiMaOi can post it someplace for people to look at it04:55
nomasteryodaprocrastinator, i would try running as another user.... to see if the same thing happens04:55
lee__its not letting go of that file cant be found04:55
nomasteryodaif not, then some config file in your profile is hosing it04:55
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LiMaOlee__: i'm gonna write a script04:55
lee__ok I followed that step04:55
lee__ok04:56
nomasteryodaLiMaO, on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/04:56
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lee__see if it is they syem, noever have I ever had this kind of issue04:56
LiMaOlee__: then i'll post it on that paste site..04:56
LiMaOthe script will do everything for you04:56
nomasteryodajust put the link in here04:56
lee__normaly i can see the instructions04:56
LiMaOlee__: wait a sec, i will write the script04:56
lee__and follw through but every time I try to cut and paste the machine won't let it go once I selct something else04:57
LiMaOlee__: by the way, delete the folders you created and the file you downloaded off the net04:57
lee__ok04:57
rabiddachshundnomasteryoda: you're talking about this, right? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto#head-0e3051713171cb5d1bf49dc2dc7bea24eb9ed83e04:57
lee__ok am doing soe04:57
lee__including the pakage?04:57
nomasteryodayes but i had to use i810 instead of intel..04:57
nomasteryodaat least on this d50504:57
rabiddachshundok. ty.04:58
nomasteryodai've been using that since Warty04:58
nomasteryodai get my 1450x102404:58
LiMaOlee__: yes, including the package04:58
LiMaOlee__: the script will do everything04:58
rabiddachshund:O04:58
nomasteryodausing the 915resolution04:59
nomasteryodapatch thing04:59
lee__ok it just told me access denied while emptying the trash04:59
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nomasteryodalee__, cause you deleted something as "root"04:59
rabiddachshund17" lappy = 1280x800.04:59
nomasteryodaor while in sudo mode04:59
nomasteryodacool04:59
nomasteryodaya that willwork  on it i'm sure04:59
procrastinatornomasteryoda: my problem seems to be very similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org-amd64/+bug/14104904:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 141049 in openoffice.org-amd64 "Openoffice calc 2.3 crashes when pressing the chart button (gutsy)" [Medium,Triaged] 04:59
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procrastinatornomasteryoda: although im not using amd6405:00
lee__ok05:00
lee__its delted05:00
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nomasteryodaprocrastinator, sounds like it for sure05:01
lee__what? i never placed...oooooo i see ok05:02
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lee__i git it05:02
lee__I still cant get rid of the line:'sudo mv /home/lee/Desktop/firefox/firefox /usr/local/firefox32'05:02
lee__out of my paste05:02
lee__oh wait, jsut seen something that says clear05:03
lee__eh no that clears the line05:03
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lee__what the..this stupid thing ha s a frigging meory of everything05:03
lee__guys iam not attempting to flood but this is waht i get every time I use an arow key05:04
lee__guys iam not attempting to flood but this is waht i get every time I use an arow key05:04
lee__what the..this stupid thing ha s a frigging meory of everything05:04
procrastinatornomasteryoda: just to let you know, i followed along with that bug report and switched back to human theme and it all works fine now05:05
lee__eh no that clears the lineHow the hell do I clear its memory?05:05
procrastinatorthanks for the help anyways05:05
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lee__this like the saem thing in ffxi05:05
Psi-JackWow. Gnome's REALLY changed since I last used it. heh05:05
lee__any one any ideas on how to dlear "this memory" or waht ever it sdoing?05:06
lee__oh wait never mind went back to simple composing05:06
lee__ha heck tht didnt work either05:06
LiMaOlee__: it'll keep everything you typed. that's ok05:07
lee__my cut and pstes is all screwy05:07
lee__ok..thats wierd I never had taht happend to me befor05:07
lee__ecept in final fantasy05:08
lee__I never expected that in this lol05:08
lee__well guys using the aorw keys will creat a repeat of waht you said lol05:08
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silent[ca] kudos to the developers out there... OS looks very nice05:09
lee__yes it does, but it will take me some time to learn it lol05:09
silent[ca] lee__: first time on linux?05:10
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Psi-JackOkay, what am I missing for Rhythmbox to play oggs?05:10
lee__yeah, I used fiesty an gutsy biu this is my first on a 64 bit05:10
silent[ca] Psi-Jack: try searching for gstreamer ogg plugins05:10
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bintuthello all..05:10
lee__its a slightly diffeeerent beast05:10
bintutekiga app in gutsy amd64 always crashes05:10
silent[ca] lee__: I find its a little faster, but I prefer 32 bit now for its compatibility05:11
lee__LiMaO is writing a script for me seeing05:11
Psi-Jacksilent[ca] : I searched, but I don't see it.05:11
LiMaOlee__: for you to use it =)05:11
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silent[ca] Psi-Jack: shouldnt rhythmbox play oggs by default? ogg is open source isnt it?05:11
lee__Ill probably take on elook ant that script and  slap my face lol05:11
LiMaOsilent[ca] : what haven't you been able to run on 64bit?05:11
Psi-Jacksilent[ca] : Yes, and I would THINK so.05:12
lee__Oh Ill back it up lol05:12
lee__then stick it in a safe05:12
lee__and I hope others lol05:12
silent[ca] Psi-Jack: I would help you but I'm a little busy atm05:12
lee__<silent[ca] >I was having graphical issues with 3205:13
lee__<LiMaO>well this feature comes in handy lol so you dont have to keep typing in a name05:14
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Psi-JackIt's cool. I'm just seeing if anyone here knows, if they can think on it. WHILE I am still looking myself. ;)05:15
lee__erg05:15
Psi-JackMy MP3's work, but I have so few of those left. Most of my music files are all ogg these days.05:15
lee__goes afk..this deserves a burger feed05:16
lee__food05:16
silent[ca] Psi-Jack: good, ogg is better05:16
lee__mabe that will hlep lol05:16
Psi-JackOf course ogg is better.05:16
emetyou guys think the updated fglrx driver with AIGLX will make it into gutsy as an update\05:16
emet?05:16
LiMaOlee__: what irc client are you using?05:16
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bintut$ ekiga05:17
bintutekiga: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libopal.so.2.2: undefined symbol: _ZN11PSafeObjectC2Ev05:17
lee__Just a sec05:17
lee__Konversatuion irc05:18
lee__eh Konversation05:18
lee__everythings in k lol05:18
Psi-Jackheh. I just can't believe it. I used to be a major KDE lover for so long everytime I used X since KDE vs Gnome, today, I'm looking at Gnome going.. Wow.05:19
LiMaOlee__: may i send you the script?05:19
lee__eh i am running Kubunto05:19
lee__sure05:19
LiMaOdo you know how to run it?05:19
lee__no05:19
lee__but if you tell me I am sure I can  reun it corectly05:19
Geoffrey2I want to boot Gutsy from CD in text mode, so I can see what's happening that's causing a fatal error I'm getting.....I exited to the boot: prompt, what would I want to do next?05:20
lee__let me guess the konsole05:20
Psi-JackI had too many problems with Kubuntu base install. it wasn't even funny anymore.05:20
lee__ahh05:20
LiMaOlee__: actually you will just have to double click the file05:20
lee__now they tell me05:20
lee__oh ok05:20
lee__lol05:20
lee__<LiMaO> I can do that much05:21
lee__eh how will I know your sending it05:21
LiMaOif anyone wanna have a look at the script, it's at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40488/05:21
LiMaOlee__: you gotta accept the transfer05:21
LiMaOer.. some window should pop up in your client05:22
lee__I did I figured that out lopl05:22
Psi-JackOkay, wierd.05:22
lee__seen a tab pop up on the lower page05:22
LiMaOlee__: ok, you have the file. now double click it and choose to run it on terminal05:23
Psi-JackI closed Rythmbox and re-opened it, and it started playing oggs, for no apparent reason..05:23
lee__its says its done05:23
LiMaOlee__: ok, now you have to know where you saved the file to.. and double click it05:23
lee__no05:23
silent[ca] Psi-Jack: lol05:23
silent[ca] Psi-Jack: that's ubuntu, troubleshooting made easy05:24
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lee__do I click it right where it is?05:24
Psi-JackI'm still wanting to know! When was it Gnome actually got to the point it was GOOD? LOL05:24
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LiMaOlee__: yes05:24
lee__oh ok05:24
LiMaOdouble click it05:24
LiMaOand choose to run it05:24
LiMaOyou should run it, and not view it in a text editor05:24
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Psi-JackI mean. Wow.. Win+E, zooms out to show my vwm's and I can even manipulate them. Not even OSX does THAT. ;)05:25
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LiMaOlee__: tell me when the script is done running, ok?05:26
lee__its done and this is waht I have up...please forgive this line just this one time guys but I need a verification05:27
lee__Reading package lists... Done05:28
lee__Building dependency tree05:28
lee__Reading state information... Done05:28
lee__ia32-libs is already the newest version.05:28
lee__Note, selecting ia32-libs instead of ia32-libs-gtk05:28
lee__ia32-libs is already the newest version.05:28
lee__linux32 is already the newest version.05:28
lee__lib32asound2 is already the newest version.05:28
lee__0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.05:28
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LiMaOalready, what else?05:28
lee__is taht corect?05:28
LiMaOit finishes there?05:28
lee__yes05:28
LiMaOdoh, wait05:29
LiMaOthat first part is ok, but it shouldn't finish there05:29
lee__eh tahts waht happend05:29
LiMaOwait a sec, lemme send you a fixed version05:29
LiMaOit's ok, it has finished checking that you have the needed stuff05:29
lee__eh ok lol05:29
lee__jsut a sec getitng burger off the thing05:29
Geoffrey2I exited the graphical installer for Gutsy, and am staring at a "boot:" prompt, how can I get the computer to reboot from this point?05:30
lee__<LiMaO> ok iam back05:31
LiMaOlee__: accept the file transfer05:31
lee__ok05:31
LiMaOyou should overwrite the old file05:31
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bintuthello all..05:32
LiMaOlee__: now just double click it05:32
bintutwengophone in gutsy amd64 has a buggy interface05:32
bintuti can't resize it05:32
LiMaOif you need to paste anything, paste on a private message to me, not the channel05:32
bintutthe borders are not showing properly05:32
lee__eh in super user mode right?05:32
bintutany other sip softphones in gutsy amd64 that is stable (at least)?05:33
LiMaOlee__: yeah, that's better05:33
lee__ok doing a selct all and05:34
lee__there it goes lol05:35
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lee__ok guys this is only for verification on05:36
lee__ok05:36
lee__please for give me just htis one time05:36
lee__root@kubuntu98632:~# sudo apt-get -y install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk linux32 lib32asound205:36
lee__Reading package lists... Done05:36
lee__Building dependency tree05:36
lee__Reading state information... Done05:36
lee__ia32-libs is already the newest version.05:36
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LiMaOlee__: don't write many lines on the channel05:36
lee__oh oops ill never do taht again05:36
LiMaOdo you know how to write a private message?05:36
LiMaOdouble click on my nickname05:37
lee__sorry I chould have imd05:37
LiMaOlook at the tabs you have05:37
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LiMaOlook at the tabs you have05:37
LiMaOthere will be one with my name05:37
LiMaOtype the text there05:37
LiMaOlee__: can you read me???05:38
lee__I can now05:38
lee__sorry05:38
LiMaOlook at the tabs you have05:38
LiMaOthere will be one with my name05:38
LiMaOtype the text there05:38
bintuti'm always keep on getting this message "the following packages have been kept back:"  how do i fix this?05:38
boselectabintut05:39
boselectayou don't05:39
bintutboselecta: why?05:39
lee__no I cant read you05:39
lee__I get this05:39
lee__[20:38]  [505]  Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! (05:39
LiMaOomg05:39
sleepynatehehe05:39
sleepynate /msg nickserv register :)05:40
lee__ehwhats taht mean?05:40
boselectawell to be honest that's beyond me. but i just allowed update-manager to do it05:40
boselectas thing05:40
LiMaOlee__: that means you are not registered with this irc server05:40
boselectaand i was OK except for some bugs that weren't fixed as of last night.05:40
LiMaOlee__: please let me help you in a different way05:41
lee__yeah ok05:41
LiMaOload a terminal and type 'sudo apt-get install x11vnc'05:41
LiMaOgo do it now05:41
lee__eh trying to register05:41
LiMaOtell me when it's finished installing05:41
bintuthhmmmm..05:41
boselectaif you're not doing anything fancy you should be OK05:41
LiMaOlee__: are you still with me?05:42
lee__yeah and I got command not found05:42
lee__but the entire script ran05:42
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bintutcurrently what i noticed with gutsy is that the ekiga is keep on crashing, the wengophone has a bug on its ui and that the border is not showing the right way, and lastly05:42
LiMaOlee__: alright, if the script ran it's good05:42
LiMaOnow press ALT+F205:42
LiMaO(close all your firefox first)05:43
lee__the script ran but that las comand line line lol05:43
lee__didnt lol05:43
LiMaOit's ok05:43
boselectaOK so you're worried about bugs. best not to upgrade now, then.05:43
lee__ok saaaving that script though05:43
LiMaOdon't worry05:43
LiMaOthe script did it all05:43
LiMaOnow you have to close ALL your firefox windows05:43
LiMaOthen hit ALT+F2 on your keyboard05:43
LiMaOand a window will appear.. then you type firefox32 on that window05:44
Geoffrey2any wild idea what loading the live CD of Gutsy would do to make Feisty unable to see my USB mouse?05:44
bintutboselecta: i'm not worried. i just want to inform this channel that i am experiencing these bugs on my setup because i believe, there are lots of ubuntu developers in here05:44
lee__ok I backed the scrpt up05:46
bintutboselecta: honestly, i don't want to submit the bugs at launchpad because it requires me to create an account and other requirements to fill-in.05:46
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LiMaOlee__: now close ALL your firefox windows... hit ALT+F2 and write firefox32 on the window that will appear05:47
rabiddachshundwhere is the xorg.conf in gutsy?05:47
lee__ok05:48
willwillrabiddachshund$ /etc/X11/xorg.conf didn't05:48
LiMaOrabiddachshund:  /etc/X1105:48
boselectai see. i was in here reporting bugs of my own earlier05:48
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rabiddachshundapparently not. :/05:48
rabiddachshundI can't find it there05:48
lee__it giving me a box05:48
LiMaOrabiddachshund: type 'sudo find / -name "*xorg*"' on a terminal window05:49
lee__to creat a profile05:49
LiMaOlee__: just use the default profile05:49
lee__ok05:49
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LiMaOrabiddachshund: the double quotes are important05:49
lee__eh ok there is no default profile05:49
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LiMaOlee__: have you ever loaded firefox before?05:50
lee__jsut key in /default or?05:50
lee__no05:50
boselectais NSV video supposed to work automatically in Firefox?05:50
LiMaOdo05:50
lee__it came with the system05:50
LiMaOlee__: just cancel it05:50
LiMaOyes man, but have you RAN firefox before?05:50
LiMaOwhat were you using to browse sites on the internet??05:50
lee__ok05:50
lee__yes I ran it befor05:50
rabiddachshundthat's a lot of stuff. none of it is xorg.conf :\05:51
LiMaOlee__: then create another profile05:51
lee__ok05:51
LiMaOtype in anything05:51
rabiddachshundI tried sudo gedit etc/X11/xorg.conf but it opened a blank document.05:51
LiMaOlee__: be sure you have closed ALL other firefox windows05:51
buntunubtry gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf05:51
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LiMaOrabiddachshund: try sudo find / -name "xorg.conf"05:52
rabiddachshundack! It's still searching.05:52
WorkingOnWiseis there a way to over ride the cpu speed? not overclock, just to be able to set it for 100% when it thinks it only needs 50%05:52
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LiMaOrabiddachshund: cancel that search with ctrl+c05:52
buntunubhe forgot the / in front of etc05:52
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LiMaOWorkingOnWise: yes, let me give you a link05:52
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lee__ehooo I found a window hiding lol05:52
lee__ok redoing it05:52
LiMaOlee__: oh may.. pay attention to instructions =/05:52
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lee__I did I haad way to many windows open05:53
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WorkingOnWiseLiMaO: ok05:53
rabiddachshundhm. /usr/share/xresprobe/xorg.conf ??05:53
LiMaOWorkingOnWise: there's a panel applet that will show the frequency used. load it on any panel of yours.. right clicking on it will give you the option to choose the frequency05:54
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LiMaOWorkingOnWise: or you may disable 'frequency scaling' on the bios05:54
willwillsorry05:54
LiMaOlee__: did it work now05:54
LiMaO?05:54
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boselectano i had nullsoft video working from within firefox before upgrading and now it's not working05:55
boselectanow i have some drawing for totem-plugin-viewer 2.20.0 but no video05:55
LiMaOWorkingOnWise: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/11/04/enabling-cpu-frequency-scaling/05:55
lee__keeps giving me acces denied because the folder or waht ever cant be written to05:55
bintutboselecta: why not use mplayer and the corresponding plugin for firefox?05:55
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allami have error 15 file not found and when i tried to edit menulist through live cd i see no thing the file is empty05:56
lee__eh nothing in fire foxes folder05:56
boselectait could be that's how i got it working before (don't remember). surprised it's like this out of the box though05:56
DanaGARrgh, I can't see this computer's samba shares from anywhere, even from itself!05:56
LiMaOlee__: open up a terminal window.. and type the following command      sudo chown -R lee:users /usr/local/firefox3205:56
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boselectaseems to me that mplayer was one of those packages that get left back?05:56
LiMaOcopy and paste it to avoid mispelling05:56
lee__Iam ok...in super user mode or normal?05:57
LiMaOsuperuser05:57
allami have error 15 file not found and when i tried to edit menulist through live cd i see no thing the file is empty05:57
LiMaOallam: why would you want to edit the menus of a livecd?05:57
lee__eh ok05:58
LiMaOi mean, when using a livecd, just test it out.. if you like it, then install it05:58
lee__keyd it in  didnt say fail nor written05:58
lee__I guess its ok now lol05:58
LiMaOlee__: yes, it's ok now.. now hit ALT+F2 again and run firefox3205:58
boselectainstalling now05:59
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lee__eh05:59
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allamno i have ubuntu and winxp inthe same hard when i reinstall win the mbr missed and the linix grub missed i tried to  reinstall it and i success to reinstall it but it show me error 15 file not found06:00
LiMaOlee__: did it work now?06:00
lee__i have a boucey ball06:00
lee__and an hour gallss spinning06:00
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lee__and no06:00
wubuntuhi, does anybody know how get the volume-key on a thinkpad to work?06:01
buntunubanyone still having issues with dual monitor setups or random freezes?06:01
lee__eh niothing on either06:01
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buntunuberr.. random freezes with compiz enabled06:02
lee__ok I got a box again that says create profile06:02
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LiMaOlee__: try restarting, then try again06:02
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LiMaOyou probably have some stuff running in the background.. and old instance of firefox06:02
ezzieyguywufis anyone here running gutsy on a t60p?06:02
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boselectabintut do you need both mplayer and mozilla-mplayer?06:04
bintutboselecta: yes06:05
boselectaseems like firefox can't find the plugin, but it's installed06:05
bintutboselecta: mozilla-mplayer is an mplayer plugin to firefox06:05
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bintutboselecta: remove totem06:05
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bintutboselecta: on my laptop, i removed totem and rhythmbox because i don't like them06:06
bintutboselecta: i'm still a die hard fan of mplayer and xmms06:06
lee__ok its acting like i donot have permissions to wrti06:06
bintutrhythmbox cannot read an audio cd06:06
boselectai'm sort of the same way. i can safely get rid of all of totem? (there are 4 packages installed relating to totem)06:07
Ltlxtknight: an ion walks into a bar looking sad, bartender says, 'why so glum chum'? ion says, 'i think i lost an electron'! bartender says, 'are you sure?' ion says, Yes, i'm Positive.  /* excuse me ppl */06:07
boselectai guess libtotem-plparser7 is required06:08
lee__in fact its not even showing me my file06:08
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lee__i am re booting to see whats going omn06:08
Ltlxtknight - you mentioned studying physics, just a joke :)06:09
Ltlxtknight - that was in another channel though, my mistake.06:10
xtknightLtl, lol just channel change confused me06:10
Ltlso is gutsy beta available as an .iso yet, all i see are dvd.iso's?06:11
Geoffrey2after running lspci -vvnn, how can I figure out what a particular device listed in there is?06:11
Ltlxtknight - yeah, ewps on that. i cant resist a physics joke myself.06:11
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contrast83Ltl: Not sure about the beta. The RC should be though, I just dl'd the Kubuntu one earlier today.06:11
lee__yikes i had a crash and didnt even know it06:12
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LtlGeoffrey2 - use lspci -vvv  or atleast one 'v'06:12
Ltlcontrast83 - ok, thank you06:12
lee__ok trying that again06:12
contrast83Ltl: np06:12
contrast83Anyone know if the nVidia issues are gonna be resolved before release?06:13
frostburncontrast83, elaborate?06:13
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LtlGeoffrey2 - you might try sudo dmidecode  it shows lots of stuff.06:14
Geoffrey2ATI Technologies Inc SB600 SMBus (rev 13)06:14
contrast83frostburn: Sorry... KDM won't start with the prop. drivers on the 2.6.22-14 kernel, and I'm currently unable to switch to a TTY regardless of the kernel I boot into.06:14
Geoffrey2Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Unknown device 823206:15
frostburncontrast83, that's odd, wait 5 days and find out, i suppose =] 06:15
lee__ok i have fire fox lol06:15
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lee__eh an d a few screen changes too?06:16
Geoffrey2whatever it is, Gutsy's not playing nice with it06:16
contrast83Heh. Yeah... I hate the idea of having to go backwards to Feisty after Gutsy's been working mostly perfectly for me since Tribe 4. :-\06:16
lee__eh i had to revamp so i could get flash06:16
lee__on my 64 bit06:16
Geoffrey2would SB mean that's the southbridge chipset?06:17
LtlGeoffrey2 - i have an ati600, and you might be right.06:17
lee__well, i have no vids or any flash things06:18
DanaGopen hal-device-manager; that'll list a video card.06:18
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lee__hmm06:21
boselectabintut i have it working now. thanks06:21
WorkingOnWiseLiMaO: Just reconfigured the cpu appelet....sweet! Manual or auto cpu speed contron with 2 mouse clicks! thanks06:21
LiMaOWorkingOnWise: you're welcome =)06:22
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WorkingOnWisedo you know a simular trick for fan speed?06:23
NukedI get this message when updating06:23
Nukedupdate-manager: Depends: update-manager-core (= 1:0.81) but 1:0.80 is to be installed06:23
bintutboselecta: you're welcome06:24
LiMaOWorkingOnWise: hmm no.. no fan speed manager =/06:24
Nukedis this just an update gone bad or is it a different issue06:24
DanaGLaptop or desktop?  Sensors are easy, but fan control is harder.06:24
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DanaGAnd there are no nice apps like Speedfan.06:24
earlmredhmm06:25
earlmredi wonder if the new vaio's with SSDs are compat out of the box with gutsy06:26
earlmredthey sure are hot laptops06:26
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Oli``Guys i'm on Gutsy and just applied the latest update and now all my window borders are MIA... any ideas on how to get them back?06:26
WorkingOnWiseDanaG: laptop06:26
Nukedno one knows?06:26
esac_i was playing with compizconfig-settings-manager and somehow my desktop resized to approximately 75%. the outer edge is black. the weird part is that my mouse thinks the desktop is normal size. any ideas ?06:26
DanaGLaptops are even worse, often.06:27
lee__YAY I can can now view all my things in my msn space06:27
Nukedesac did you maybe zoom into your desktop06:27
DanaGManufacturers don't often give direct fan speed control.06:27
DanaGWhat brand?06:27
lee__thatn you ...eh I saaaaved that script though06:27
esac_Nuked: not intentionally, but rebooting didnt fix it06:27
lee__this is cool I can view flah files06:27
lee__on a 64 bit machine06:28
Nukedesac I dont know much about compiz, but I know ctrl-alt-+ will zoom into your desktop06:28
lee__oh heck I need to back this up06:28
Nukedtry ctrl alt -06:28
lee__oh I am already here06:29
esac_so i turned off desktop cube and it fixed it (although the screen needs to redraw so everything looks bad now)06:29
WorkingOnWiseDanaG: this is an Averatec.... I'm greatful they gave me control of the boot order! :)06:29
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lee__so who else here is on a 64 bit machine06:30
WorkingOnWiselee__: I am on AMD64 laptop06:30
moparisthebestI take it this is for kubuntu+1 as well?06:30
esac_what do i install for emerald themes ?06:30
moparisthebestsame as WorkingOnWise lee__ here06:30
WorkingOnWiseamd AND64 Ubuntu06:30
Ltllee__ i run feisty on x86_6406:30
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WorkingOnWiseAND=AMD06:31
Nukedmoparisthebest: this is where #kubuntu tells you to go06:31
usserlee__: iam06:31
Nukedfor gutsy related stuff06:31
lee__I good person jsut showed me how to get the system to accept flash and java06:31
moparisthebestdidn't go in #kubuntu, went straight to #kubuntu+1 and then here :)06:31
lee__on a 64 bit machine06:31
usserlee__: neato :)06:31
lee__but after restarting I lost the web link :(06:31
moparisthebestlee__, I installed a 32 bit firefox, 32bit java, and 32 bit flash, and kept my 64-bit firefox as well06:32
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lee__yeah taht waht he showed me how to do06:32
moparisthebestthere is supposedly a wrapper for 32 bit plugins in a 64bit browser, but it never worked for me06:32
lee__well I really needed it thoguh06:32
moparisthebestnspluginwrapper i believe06:32
moparisthebestso is gutsy gibbon rather stable now?06:33
NukedI just dont understand why I get this on an update : The following packages have unmet dependencies:  update-manager: Depends: update-manager-core (= 1:0.81) but 1:0.80 is to be installed06:33
moparisthebestshould I upgrade from fiesty?06:33
Nukedmoparisthebest: depends.... gutsy will be released on the 18th06:34
lee__ok any one know some really good video editing software  fo r this beast06:34
moparisthebestI know, I upgraded to fiesty when it was beta with no problem06:34
lee__hmm Ill have to say thanks to the guy/or gall taht helped me06:34
Nukedmoparisthebest: then you answered your question06:34
moparisthebestbut I don't want to cripple my only currently working computer06:34
lee__well one thigns for sure it sure renders well in 64 bit06:34
moparisthebesti just wanted to check in here if there are any big issues left06:35
lee__hu it all dissabperaed all of a sudden06:35
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silent[ca] am I right to conclude that gutsy does not have support for ndiswrapper?06:36
earlmredhmm, just installed swiftweasel, hopefully maybe that'll solve my firefox crashing problems06:36
Nukedno silent[ca] 06:36
silent[ca] Nuked: it doesnt?06:37
moparisthebestsilent[ca] , for as long as I have used (k)ubuntu the repo ndiswrapper package has never worked06:37
moparisthebestyou just have to compile it yourself, and then it will be fine06:37
silent[ca] moparisthebest: I compiled the latest build... didnt use the repos06:37
moparisthebesti don't see why it shouldn't work then06:37
Nukedsilent[ca] : read this06:37
Nukedhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=351895206:37
silent[ca] my wireless card is detected through ndiswrapper, however it doesnt appear in my system>networking06:38
silent[ca] device (14E4:4311) present (alternate driver: bcm43xx)06:39
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buntunubmake sure you blacklist the native bcm43xx06:40
moparisthebestthat bcm43xx is a real pain06:40
Nukedsilent[ca] : http://blog.sandipb.net/2007/10/08/giving-up-on-bcm43xx-in-gutsy-beta/06:40
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moparisthebestyes, I was just going to say what buntunub said06:40
moparisthebesti have to do the same thing06:40
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usserlee__: kino is pretty good for video editing06:41
buntunubfollow the wireless in 5 minutes or less guide06:41
DemortesHey, anyone know if 7.10 will fix the Realtek NIC issue?06:41
alex_mayorgaanyone using a bluetooth PAN, that can show me how-to do it?06:41
lee__cool06:42
lee__kino where do I get that at?06:42
Nukedwhy do I keep getting a message telling me that update manager update fails06:42
lee__<usser> where do I get kino at?06:43
DemortesAnyone here know if the Realtek NIC issue is resolved in 7.10?06:44
lee__oh eh I found it lol06:44
NukedDemortes: Ive had a realtek card for a long time and I have never had issues with it06:44
NukedDemortes: only once when windows update updated the card driver to a windows only version06:45
moparisthebestDemortes, all of my computers have realtek NIC's06:45
DemortesOddly enough, me either, however one time I installed Ubuntu through Wubi.... and suddenly the NIC isn't initialized, not recognizing IPv406:45
DemortesIt seems common enough, I found thousands of hits on Google when I searched for it06:45
moparisthebeststrange06:45
DemortesI can reload, and never see the problem again06:45
Nukedvery strange06:45
Nukedmight be  a wubi issue06:46
DemortesNope06:46
DemortesOthers reported it as a full installation issue06:46
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DemortesI have a question, if Windows updates it to a Windows only driver, how's that affect Ubuntu?06:46
DemortesUbuntu uses it's own drivers...06:47
NukedDemortes: because it somehow changes the firmware on the card to operate solely with windows06:47
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NukedI dont know the specifics.. I just know that that was indeed the problem, and I had to rollback the windows driver06:47
DemortesHmm... now that I think about it, I did download the update from Windows update.06:47
an0malisthello06:48
esacwhere can i get emerald themes for gutsy ?06:48
DemortesHowever it's worked afterward too06:48
Nukedroll it back and see what happens demortes06:48
Nukedif the issue persists, see a doctor06:48
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DemortesI reinstalled, so I will have to wait until I'm not in VNC to do that06:48
an0malisttrying to install vmware-player in sypantic but it says it can't find a dependency06:48
usseresac: beryl-themes.org kde-look.org06:48
wastedfluidHi guys.. before the upgrade, I could s2ram --force, and s2disk perfectly.. but now, after the rc upgrade.. s2disk is broke(s2disk: Could not stat the resume device file), and s2ram is just gone.06:48
usseresac: gnome-look.org should have it too06:49
NukedDemortes: I dont remember the name of the card because im not on my other box, But in my case, it was a problem with the windows driver and not ubuntu06:49
DemortesIf I remember right, it was 8139?06:49
DemortesHold on, let me check my device manager06:49
an0malistwhat repositories are recommended other than the ones installed by default?06:49
NukedYes demortes I think it was06:49
DanaGWhere are you, country-wise?06:50
DemortesIt is, Nuked.06:50
usseran0malist: mediubuntu would be a pretty useful repo06:50
an0malistdo I just need the server name?06:50
NukedDemortes: it may very well be the driver06:50
an0malistanyone have vmware-player?06:51
DemortesWell, here's something interesting. I can tell if it wont work if the DHCP signal isn't detected in the setup process... also, no IPv4 address is EVER assigned, but network manager states 0.0.0.0,06:51
usseran0malist: i do why?06:51
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DemortesWhen I do some command related to networking, I get the green LED on the integrated NIC to come on, but no activity and it's not recognized.06:51
NukedDemortes: I had that problem im sure its the driver now06:52
DemortesThe windows driver?06:52
usseran0malist: mediubuntu repo faq http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repository.php06:52
an0malisthow do I get the vmware-player-kerlnel-modules package?06:52
NukedDemortes: yeah06:52
DemortesWell, I'll see.06:52
DemortesI'll report back if it seems to be the issue, hope that I have a restore point before that... or at least driver rollback06:53
Nukedbest of luck Demortes06:53
usseran0malist: ooh i have player with vmware workstation and it compiled one for me06:53
usseran0malist: i guess module should be in the repo06:54
DemortesThanks for the help. Looking forward to testing 7.10, if only Wubi would allow it to be downloaded instead of 7.0406:54
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an0malistusser: nope.. it doesn't appear to be..06:55
DanaGOh yeah, ndiswrapper DOES work with wired drivers, if it comes down to that.06:55
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usseran0malist: take a look https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vmware-player-kernel-2.6.15/+bug/124775 apparently its not yet packaged06:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 124775 in vmware-player-kernel-2.6.15 "No kernel modules for the 2.6.22 kernel" [High,Confirmed] 06:56
an0malistbummer06:56
an0malistno idea how else to get it.. hehe06:57
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usseran0malist: try to get player from vmware site07:00
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usseran0malist: installation is pretty straightforward and it compiles a module for u07:00
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an0malistoh nice07:00
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bintutgtg now07:01
LiMaOlee__: are you there? how's everything?07:02
chequershi all, I have a slightly strange issue with my WLAN on gutsy beta. I can browse the net fine (connected to it now), but I cannot ping any device on my home LAN... including the router07:02
usserchequers: can u ping localhost?07:03
chequersyes07:03
usserchequers: what does ifconfig have to say07:03
usserchequers: and sudo route07:03
chequersI can also see the MAC address of the router07:03
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usserpastebin07:04
chequersok07:04
chequershttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40494/07:06
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chequerseth1 is the wlan07:06
usserchequers: wow07:06
usserchequers: i see your eth0 is up too07:07
usserchequers: sudo ifdown eth0 if u dont use it07:07
chequersno, it's just manually configured07:07
chequersok07:07
usserchequers: why?07:07
chequersbecause it's easier to use a static IP on my LAN when it's in use07:07
chequerssometimes I connect to networks without DHCP servers & all forced IPs07:08
usserchequers: oh ok07:08
chequersahh, bingo07:08
chequersif I set eth0 back to dhcp configuration ping starts working for the lan07:09
usserchequers: so there were two routes that apparently lead to the same gateway07:09
chequersand it was trying the first only?07:09
lee__eh it keeps failing on the avi07:09
usserchequers: probably07:09
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usserchequers: so u connected through wlan now?07:09
usserchequers: or both?07:09
chequersjust the wlan07:10
usserchequers: so the ping works?07:10
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usserchequers: oh :)07:10
chequersyep thanks07:10
chequersI can access all my shares again :)07:10
usserchequers: but this is still kinda strange u shouldnt have had internet oh well07:10
usser:)07:10
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lee__<LiMaO>ah yes i am here lol07:11
chequersthanks for your help usser07:11
usserchequers: no problem07:11
lee__and i can view th pics on my msn spaace now lol07:11
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lee__I owe you a big thank you07:11
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lee__I saved taht script wll it work If I ever have to relaod it some time?07:12
lee__<LiMaO>thank you07:13
lee__eh ok can i back my sytem up to a rom?07:15
LiMaOlee__: yes it will work.. do you have flash and java now?07:15
lee__OHyea07:15
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LiMaOlee__: very nice. i had to leave for a while and thought you didn't get it working07:16
LiMaOit's nice to see it's all good now =)07:16
lee__no, i got it working bu t i stayed to say thanks...hm now i need to burry my face in some code later lol07:16
lee__so i can help others07:17
lee__the other thing, al though i personally hate it..is i m on an online school for ms certification07:17
lee__but, i am liking this a lot better07:18
LiMaO=)07:18
LiMaOyou'll love it, that's for sure07:18
LiMaOlinux is great07:18
lee__heck if something breaks in windows, there isnt gluing it baack to geather lol07:18
LiMaOand man, i feel happy for helping you07:18
LiMaO=)07:18
lee__<LiMaO>it turnd out waht caused all this issue was something had crashed07:19
lee__and i wsnt aware of it07:19
lee__but it is still giving me that error07:19
LiMaOthat's why i asked you to reboot.. that would clean up anything that was messed up07:20
LiMaOwhich error?07:20
lee__in thta I can't write to certan folders07:20
lee__eh just a sec07:20
LiMaOok =)07:20
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lee__hmm the resart must have taken the area out lol07:22
LiMaOyay, just configured mplayer + mplayer plugin =)07:22
LiMaOlee__: so, no errors, everything is fine.. that's just great!07:22
LiMaO=D07:22
lee__eh which one lol07:22
lee__yeah07:22
lee__hmm the 64 bitss been stable07:22
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lee__<LiMaO>oh are you supose to be able to open ms docs lol?07:23
lee__cause i just open all of moms an even th oldies07:23
Leoneklhello folks07:24
lee__i am taking a 32 bit version up to moms on live cd07:24
lee__and se just how much it will do07:24
lee__hi07:24
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Leoneklis it possible to upgrade gutsy tribe 5 to release candidate version of ubuntu 7.10?07:24
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lee__eh try07:25
lee__updaaate-manager -d07:25
lee__minus my bad spelling07:25
lee__lol07:25
lee__update-manager -d07:25
Leoneklit says system is up to date07:25
lee__in your console07:26
lee__eh there should be an upgrade option07:26
Leoneklunless i did an update that already has the Release candidates already in it?07:26
lee__<LiMaO>you can have this on elol07:26
Leonekli already have TRIBE 507:26
lee__hmm07:26
lee__I had fiesty07:26
Leonekljust wanna upgrade it to RC07:26
Leoneklyeah i hear ya07:26
Leoneklit worked07:26
Leoneklthe new one that just came out on the 11th07:27
Leoneklhas some new things07:27
Leoneklim guessing the update applied itself07:27
lee__oh oy aught to try the 64 bit..some say good some say bad07:27
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lee__but there's always a work around lol07:27
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lee__hmm can't do tht with ms though07:28
lee__Well, mr soft i just saved me 300 bucks ona 64 bit system07:28
lee__or is it 20007:28
rredd4LiMaO  I have gutsy now...07:28
lee__congrats07:29
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LiMaOrredd4: how's it going? hope it's all fine07:29
rredd4LiMaO  when the install did partitions, why did it call the hd a sda drive.  I windows ide drive07:29
rredd4install was great07:29
rredd4no problems07:30
LiMaOsda = scsi drive? sata...07:30
rredd4yeah07:30
rredd4i have ide07:30
rredd4not sda07:30
LiMaOthat's strange hehe07:30
murlidharinstalled RC and my booting takes ages after the grub menu without the startup screen what to do ?07:30
rredd4I thought it was formatting a mac scsi drive07:30
rredd4weird07:30
LiMaOrredd4: are you running 64bit or 32?07:31
rredd4not sure07:31
rredd4how do i tell] 07:31
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rredd4i think 3207:31
rredd4is there a way to find out07:32
lee__<LiMaO>http://lee986321.spaces.live.com/?lc=1033 thislink is the reason why I need it so bad lol07:32
LiMaOtype uname -a in the terminal07:32
LiMaOand tell me what it says07:32
rredd4Linux waykool 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Wed Oct 10 06:00:47 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux07:32
LiMaO32bit07:32
lee__hmm07:33
LiMaObtw, i like your computer name hehe07:33
lee__have him check his bios07:33
rredd4waykool07:33
LiMaOno need to check bios07:33
lee__I knoticed taht was off07:33
rredd4!!07:33
rredd4so why sda?07:33
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cwilluis there any way to disable the xrandr stuff for the radeon driver?07:34
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lee__Linux kubuntu98632 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Wed Oct 10 05:28:36 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux07:34
macogwnobody's leeching the rc torrents07:34
macogwim seeding, but there's leechers07:34
lee__hmmm waht aare you seeding?07:35
macogwgutsy rc desktop and alternate isos for i386 and amd6407:35
rredd4what processor do I need for x86_64?07:36
basculeis 64 bit worth running on core 2 duos?07:36
lee__an emt6407:36
rredd4but it says x8607:36
rredd4not amd07:36
lee__wait an EM64T07:36
rredd4oohh07:36
lee__tahts an intell one07:37
rredd4i have a p4 2.4 ghz07:37
lee__I can see why my pc cost me just over a grand lol07:37
lee__hmm just a sec07:37
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macogwrredd4: amd64 is just the name because amd did it before intel did07:38
rredd4ok07:38
murlidharinstalled RC and my booting takes ages after the grub menu without the startup screen what to do ?07:38
rredd4so why did rc install show sda when I am using a ide drive?07:39
rredd4bug?07:39
rredd4used desktop install07:39
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cosmo_ is the procedure pretty much the same on gutsy as it was on fiesty for enabling dual monitors?07:40
usserrredd4: i dont think hd*  notation is used at all anymore07:40
cosmo_as far as modifying the xorg.conf07:40
murlidharrredd4: same case with me and i am using ide drive . somebody told me it does not matter . so  no problem07:40
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murlidhar:007:40
murlidhar:007:40
murlidhar:)07:40
rredd4usser  that could be confusing07:40
rredd4ok07:40
usserrredd4: everything is treated as scsi07:41
rredd4any way  the install worked ok07:41
usserrredd4: i think every linux distro does that nowadays07:41
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lee__Linux kubuntu98632 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Wed Oct 10 05:28:36 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux07:41
lee__oh I amrunning 2.80 dual threading07:42
macogwrredd4: libata was updated in feisty to get rid of hd* because sd* works better. people complained and they reverted.  this time the upgrade is forced.07:42
rredd4as long as it works!!!07:42
rredd4i don't care what they call it!!!!07:43
rredd4lets see if open office works07:43
rredd4yup07:43
murlidharwhere can i find my grub menu??07:44
ussermurlidhar: /boot/grub/menu.lst07:44
murlidharthnks07:44
lee__waht is 36 bits physical and 48 virtual mean?07:45
lee__any how07:46
lee__<LiMaO>did you get a chnace to see that sight lol?07:47
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murlidhar i have a desktop pc and i don't want to get bluetooth services activated during boot . What should i do?07:47
lee__eh remove it07:47
murlidharhow do i remove the bluetooth services during startup07:47
lee__th e device07:47
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lee__ooh07:47
basculesystem -> administration services07:48
basculeturn it off07:48
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murlidhar:)07:48
lee__is cleaning his icons07:48
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cosmo_is there a way to renable konqer rather than dolphin?07:50
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ussercosmo_: i didnt find it07:51
osmosisso if compiz fusion is turned off by default on my intel based video chipset, then how do I turn it on? should I turn it on ?07:51
ussercosmo_: i guess we stuck with that ugly file manager07:51
lee__what the hech is GwenView?07:52
lee__oooooh ok07:53
lee__i can changy the iconnys07:53
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silent[ca] how do I get gutsy to detect my sound device? The device was detected on default install but did not function. I compiled the latest alsa build and installed and the card is no longer detected.07:56
rredd4i like the search applet!!07:57
basculeosmosis: turn it on by running compiz --replace , assuming it's installed of course07:59
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silent[ca] oh wow08:02
silent[ca] compiz is amazing, how do I get the cube?08:02
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ussersilent[ca] : ccsm turn on cube and cube rotate08:03
silent[ca] usser: in console?08:04
ussersilent[ca] : type ccsm in console yes it'll bring compiz setup08:05
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underwatercowis it reasonable to assume that the RC will not change in the next 6 days?08:06
silent[ca] usser: how do I use the cube, its enabled now08:06
ussersilent[ca] : ctlr+alt+mouse08:06
silent[ca] usser: its not working :(08:07
ussersilent[ca] : hm other effects work?08:07
silent[ca] usser: the windows wobble.. but the screen darkened when I did the ctrl alt thing08:08
silent[ca] is it supposed to zoom out or something?08:08
ussersilent[ca] : yes08:08
silent[ca] on ctrl+alt08:08
silent[ca] ?08:08
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ussersilent[ca] : no when u press ctrl+alt and click left mouse button it'll zoom out08:09
silent[ca] wooow08:09
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silent[ca] ok yeah its working08:09
silent[ca] lol08:09
silent[ca] doesn't zoom out, however.08:09
silent[ca] just rotates08:09
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gunashekarhi08:10
ussersilent thats nothing u can do stuff like this: ftp://whom.homeunix.org/snapshot3.png08:10
osmosisbascule: when I run  compiz --replace ...it says, Blacklisted, aborting.08:11
ussersilent[ca] : go to rotate cube settings and play with Zoom slider08:11
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osmosiswhat to do ?08:12
silent[ca] usser: I am thouroughly impressed.. *bows to the power of compiz*08:12
silent[ca] now if only my sound card was detected08:13
ussersilent[ca] : hm use 5ch?08:13
MilhousePunkRockHey everyone!08:14
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ussersilent[ca] : i dont care about sound much so when mine wasnt recognized i pulled out my old cheap pci card08:14
rredd4when I do cntrl-alt left click nothing happens08:15
silent[ca] usser: laptop08:15
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ussersilent[ca] : bugger08:15
MilhousePunkRockIs linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 on the CD of the RC?08:15
silent[ca] usser: I'm not too concerned though, it's worked before08:15
silent[ca] usser: it will work again08:15
underwatercowDoes anyone know why I have two "Desktop" options in my Places menu and how I fix it?08:15
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cosmo_now that I have it istalled how do I access the compiz options window?08:16
cosmo_oops wrong chanel08:16
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Redneck|Ubuntuneed RC help :/08:16
Redneck|Ubuntui would like to know how to get it and such08:17
cdm10Redneck|Ubuntu: http://ubuntu.com/testing08:17
rredd4do i have to restart x to get the cube to work?  ccsm is installed08:17
usserrredd4: no08:17
rredd4control alt left mouse does nothing08:17
usserrredd4: did u enable the cube plugins?08:18
rredd4in ccsm?08:18
usserrredd4: yes08:18
rredd4yes, desktop cube and rotate cube is selected08:19
silent[ca] usser: its bouncing on a table now!08:19
silent[ca] how do I undo?08:19
silent[ca] O_O08:19
ussersilent[ca] : bouncing on a table??? wtg?08:19
ussersilent[ca] : what is?08:20
usserrredd4: other effects works?08:20
silent[ca] its rolling on the table08:20
silent[ca] the cube08:20
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silent[ca] oh, its reflection08:21
ussersilent[ca] : ahah, try ctrl+alt+arrow down08:21
silent[ca] dude its messing with my mind08:22
ussersilent[ca] : dont loooook!!08:22
usserlol08:22
usseri dunno, try restarting compiz08:22
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silent[ca] its just too good08:23
ussersilent[ca] : what did u do that it started this?08:23
silent[ca] good overload08:23
usseroh08:23
silent[ca] sorry, I'm used to windows08:23
usserlol08:23
rredd4usser don't think so08:23
Redneck|Ubuntuwhat does this mean?08:23
Redneck|Ubuntu(gksudo:7252): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.08:23
Redneck|Ubuntu        Using the fallback 'C' locale.08:23
usserrredd4: run compiz --replace from console and pastebin the output08:23
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rredd4Checking for Xgl: not present.   No whitelisted driver found  aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity08:25
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usserrredd4: what videocard do u have?08:25
rredd4nvidia geforce 4 mmx08:25
rredd4worked on fiesty08:25
usserrredd4: did u install the restricted driver?08:25
rredd4nvidia08:26
rredd4o08:26
usserrredd4: do glxinfo | grep direct08:26
rredd4no08:26
silent[ca] this is absolutely beautiful08:27
ussersilent[ca] : did u try fire paint and window minimize animations?08:27
ussersilent[ca] : window grouping is useful tpp08:28
silent[ca] usser: nah, gonna focus on audio now08:28
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silent[ca] usser: one more thing, how do I make my cube translucent?08:28
ussersilent[ca] : there's an option in desktop cube08:29
ussertransparent cube08:29
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rredd4usser  direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect08:30
usserrredd4: the driver is not installed08:30
usserrredd4: do sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules08:31
rredd4ok  ty08:32
ussersudo apt-get install nvidia-glx08:32
ussersudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source08:32
ussersudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common sorry08:33
rredd4ok08:33
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rredd4usser  it won't let me do the last command, E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)  E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?08:36
rredd4all i have open is x chat and terminal08:36
tritiumrredd4: update-manager is running in the background08:36
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tritiumit'll occasionally interfere with command-line apt* operations08:37
usserrredd4: check if u have synaptic open08:37
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rredd4its not08:37
rredd4only xchat and terminal08:37
tritiumrredd4: I just told you...08:37
rredd4update manager is not open, at least so I can see it08:38
rredd4i understand08:38
tritiumrredd4: I didn't say it was open08:38
rredd4its running in the background08:38
rredd4got it08:38
rredd4its interfering with what I am doing08:38
rredd4hmm08:38
rredd4tritium can I turn it off08:39
tritiumrredd4: you can grep the process list for apt, and kill those that are running, if you like08:40
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ChaosParserHas anyone ever used a Sony Walkman Video MP3 Player with ubuntu?08:42
rredd4brb08:42
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contrast83ChaosParser: I haven't, but what's your question?08:45
ChaosParsercontrast83: That was my question.  ;)08:46
contrast83Ohh. Usually questions like those are followed by something like, "Does it work ok?" :-)08:48
ChaosParsercontrast83: Well yeah.  But it really doesn't make sense to ask that of someone that hasn't used one, now does it?08:49
contrast83Well, one can gauge the likelihood of whether it'll work under Linux based on a couple of things. ;-)08:50
contrast83Have you used it under Windows?08:50
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contrast83ChaosParser: Or are you just researching a potential purchase?08:51
ChaosParsercontrast83: I haven't bought it yet.  But, since Sony tends to go for USB mass storage mode, it apparently works with Ubuntu.  I finally found an article on it.  :)08:51
ChaosParsercontrast83: I'm desparately trying to justify spending 50 less on 10 times less space than an ipod ;D08:52
contrast83Yeah. Even if they were cheaper, I wouldn't buy an iPod.08:52
macogwi want a sansa08:52
macogwtheyre rockboxable08:52
macogwand i dont need 30gb of storage08:52
macogwso i can sell my zen08:52
ChaosParserThe Sony Walkman I want is 199 for 8 gigs... but Cnet says it has amazing audio quality.08:53
ussersansa dont support ogg08:53
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ChaosParserAnd sony offers accident damage protection, cheap.  That alone is worth it.08:53
macogwwow what a coincidence08:55
macogwi was just reading about how Arthur Dent and Fenchurch had sex above the clouds while flying and a 747 went by and then they repeated the experience the next night with Sony Walkmen08:56
macogw(So Long and Thanks For All the Fish)08:56
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osmosiswhat is an EFI System Partition?08:57
macogwElephant Firing Imminent Partition08:57
ChaosParsermacogw: Hitchhikers guide, eh?08:58
macogwit's 3am and i'm reading Douglas Adams, what can i say?08:58
ChaosParsermacogw: Eh, no worries.  That was a refreshingly discordian response.08:58
usseryea good movie08:58
ussererr book08:58
macogwit's not possible to read Douglas Adams and not so something horribly silly08:58
macogwheh08:58
ChaosParserhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_System_Partition08:59
ChaosParserosmosis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_System_Partition08:59
gunashekarcan anyone suggest which is better ? KDE or gnome?08:59
usserKDE08:59
macogwdo you like options or simplicity?08:59
ChaosParsergunashekar: Are you trying to start a war?  Gnome is my vote.08:59
macogwif the latter, the former; if the former, the latter08:59
ussergood news for all people who like bad news08:59
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gunashekaru mean gnome has more options?09:00
usserkde is actually more customizable09:00
gunashekarno war ChaosParser09:00
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gunashekarjust learning from your experience09:00
macogwgunashekar: no no09:00
macogwoptions or simplicity09:01
ChaosParsergunashekar: To be fair, I haven't used KDE that much.  So I'm partial to Gnome because I know Gnome.09:01
gunashekarChaosParser: fair nough09:01
macogwoh dang i got them backwards09:01
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ChaosParserBut, I think Gnome is prettier.09:01
macogwsorry about that one09:01
macogwChaosParser: me too09:01
gunashekarmacogw:  ok u say KDE has more options and Gnome is simpler09:02
macogwyes09:02
ChaosParserOye vey.  With Compiz now installed, how many more damn options do you need?09:02
macogwif you want to give it to your computer illiterate parent, i vote gnome09:02
macogwmy mother says it's easier than windows09:02
macogwand faster09:02
gunashekarok will continue using Kubuntu then, some how i liked the look and feel of gnome09:03
ChaosParserThen do with Ubuntu.09:03
ChaosParser*go09:03
contrast83gnome and kde can both be made to look pretty much however you want. i'll never understand people who say one looks better than the other.09:03
FunnyLookinHatHas anyone else randomly lost their icons in openoffice??09:03
FunnyLookinHatMine are all gone, haha09:03
FunnyLookinHatNow I just have buttons with text09:03
macogwi dislike qt themes09:03
macogwgtk 1 as well09:03
contrast83macogw: how many have you tried?09:03
gunashekarok contrast83 i agree, just that i'm a slow learner09:04
ChaosParsercontrast83: Every time I have configured KDE, I have still be left with the feeling that there is something incomplete about KDE.  Gnome feels more finished.09:04
macogwum whatever's included in kubuntu and opensuse09:04
ChaosParser*been09:04
macogwi also couldnt figure out how to rid myself of the damn window list in the kde panel09:04
contrast83macogw: by default? yeah, the ones that come included aren't that great. i'll admit that.09:04
contrast83macogw: qtcurve, serenity or baghira, among others, look fantastic though09:05
macogwi installed kubuntu-desktop and as i started it up i was going "ugh ugly cant stand looking at all this damn blue"09:05
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macogwi quite love EFL though09:05
macogwi want black or red09:05
contrast83i'll agree with that. :-)09:06
macogwblack and blue's ok09:06
jussi01!ot09:06
ubotu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!09:06
macogwblack and red is good09:06
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macogwblack and green is good as well09:06
macogwblack and silver too09:06
macogwi havent looked to see if there are gutsy repos for e17 yet09:06
macogwbut i havent upgraded my e17 since feisty09:06
macogwit works just fine on gutsy though09:06
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contrast83i've been using a Debiam Unstable repo for E17. Works fine so far.09:07
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localgod11how will the conversion to compufision (supposedly included with gutsy work)09:07
contrast83There's one for Edgy also, but it hasn't been updated in nearly a year.09:07
macogwusser: sansa support rockbox which supports ogg09:07
localgod11: will the transition from fiesty (with beryl) to gutsy be smoth?09:07
ussermacogw: is it easy to install?09:07
localgod11rockbox is really cool09:07
ChaosParserlocalgod11: yeah.  It'll remove beryl completely, actually.09:08
contrast83localgod11: Beryl and C-F can both be installed, so I wouldn't see that causing problems.09:08
jussi01!compiz | localgod1109:08
ubotulocalgod11: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects09:08
ussermacogw: aww i'd really buy sansa their players look solid09:08
localgod11what about all my settings?09:08
ussertoo bad i made my choice already :)09:08
macogwusser: i dont know i've yet to try.  its nice to use09:08
contrast83localgod11: should be fine09:08
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ChaosParserjussi01: Do you actually read questions, or do you just randomly ubotu everything?  That doesn't help him at all.09:08
macogwmy DAP doesnt support rockbox :(09:08
localgod11lol09:09
ussero well off to sleep09:09
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jussi01ChaosParser: Yes I do. It does help him if he reads the link...09:09
ussersee you guys good luck with... things09:09
localgod11damn thats kinda harsh man its 3 am09:09
ChaosParserlocalgod11: The Dist-Upgrade completely removed Beryl on my PC.  Including settings.09:09
macogwsometimes TFM doesnt eally work09:09
localgod11fugg09:09
macogwChaosParser: weird. i manually removed my beryl09:10
contrast83ChaosParser: So ~/.beryl/settings is no longer there?09:10
localgod11the damn thing had about ten thousand setting it took me hours to adjust them all!09:10
ChaosParsercontrast83: Nope.09:10
contrast83ChaosParser: Very strange. I assumed a dist-upgrade wouldn't touch anything in $HOME09:11
localgod11but gutsy will just down load i dont have to do anything?09:11
ChaosParsercontrast83: I was suprised when it started removing beryl, and emerald, but its not like I could argue with it.09:11
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localgod11chaos did u install using a cd?09:11
contrast83ChaosParser: Were they from a third-party repo?09:11
localgod11i mean upgrade?09:12
ChaosParserlocalgod11: Nope.  I installed Beryl from the repos.09:12
ChaosParserAck.09:12
ChaosParserlocalgod11: No, I just upgraded.09:12
localgod11third-party repo? wait its gonna remove my 3rd party repos to?09:12
localgod11fug09:12
ChaosParsercontrast83: I installed Beryl from add/remove, actually.09:12
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macogwdist-upgrade doesn't, to my knowledge, purge anything09:12
macogwjust remove09:13
macogwcan you do "dpkg -l beryl" and tell me what the first column's letter is?09:13
contrast83localgod11: I think it's recommended to comment out the 3rd-party repos in your sources.list when dist-upgrading09:13
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ChaosParsermacogw: No packages found matching beryl.09:14
contrast83localgod11: And whatever packages they contained that aren't in the official repos will be removed, but you can always reinstall them once it's done.09:14
macogw...09:14
ChaosParsermacogw: I told you.  It removed it.09:14
ChaosParser: is not a n00b.09:14
macogwChaosParser: dpkg isnt that mundane09:14
macogwdpkg knows when someone was previously installed09:14
localgod11news to me09:15
slackgenbuntooi'm having trouble making my rt onboard sound go, who do i need to kill to get it working?09:15
macogwit lists p if it was purged, u if "unknown" and r to removed packages09:15
ChaosParsermacogw: Do you not believe that's what it says?  would you like a screen shot?09:15
macogwi mean when someTHING was previously installed09:15
localgod11did i just get called a newb09:15
macogwyoure certain you didnt have old compiz not beryl before?09:15
localgod11i mean i am but im still askin09:15
contrast83lol09:16
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macogwfor instance, i purged beryl and get this09:16
localgod11i did09:16
macogwhttp://pastebin.ca/73500609:16
slackgenbuntooi haven't previously used the onboard sound, but i moved the sound card i ws using to another compy09:17
ChaosParsermacogw: I'm not an idiot.  Last week I did the following, in the following order:  Reinstalled XP MCE from a recovery disc.  Reinstalled Feisty.  Used Envy to install Nvidia drivers, Installed Beryl FROM THE ADD/REMOVE panel. Installed emerald with an apt-get   Never installed anything compiz.   Upgraded and it REMOVED beryl.09:17
macogwthats very very odd09:17
jussi01slackgenbuntoo: what is your onboard sound card?09:17
macogwi suppose a new version of the upgrader could be set to do that :-/09:17
ChaosParserHere, I'll even upload you a screen shot.09:17
contrast83ChaosParser: I know you probably don't want to hear this, but is there any particular reason you still want to use Beryl?09:18
macogwwas emerald removed?09:18
macogwemerald is usable by CF09:18
localgod11i dont know whether to be happy that it does leave stuff behind or worried about what else its gonna take09:18
localgod11contrast: i dont think thats the point09:18
ChaosParsercontrast83: Oh, I'm not using Beryl now.  I have Gutsy on all my PCs now, with Compiz.09:18
contrast83localgod11: i know.09:18
localgod11ok09:19
contrast83:-)09:19
jmgwhats envy?09:19
jussi01!envy | jmg09:19
ubotujmg: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!09:19
slackgenbuntoojessi01 it's the onboard realtek sound09:19
contrast83lol09:19
jussi01slackgenbuntoo:09:19
localgod11lmao09:19
macogwlocalgod11: it doesnt leave files (well, if you remove the settings are saved, but purge deletes those), just keeps a listing in the database.  that's how vrms can mark "packages with statuses other than intalled"09:19
jussi01slackgenbuntoo: does it work with the normal kernal?09:19
localgod11um.....whats a purge09:20
ChaosParserjmg: Ignore that.  It's terrible.   Envy is a fantastic script that installs your video drivers for you.   Provided you remember to remove those drivers before upgrading the kernel, its fine and I have never had an issue with it on over 10 individual PCs.09:20
localgod11<-------newb09:20
slackgenbuntoojussi01 i would guess that it would, but i could check the .config09:20
macogwlocalgod11: sudo aptitude purge <package>09:20
ChaosParser!pastebin09:20
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)09:20
jussi01!worksforme | ChaosParser:09:20
ubotuChaosParser:: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/09:20
localgod11chaos: your agruing with a bot09:20
macogwlocalgod11: sudo apt-get remove --purge <package>09:20
macogwlocalgod11: it deletes the config too, not just the program09:21
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localgod11ah tahnks09:21
macogwlocalgod11: you can use either aptitude or apt-get.  up to you09:21
silentwhat sort of commands/utilities do I have available for detecting/enabling my sound card09:21
murlidhari lost my feisty wallpapers how do i get them back?  help09:21
macogwmurlidhar: lost?09:21
localgod11should i be running that whenever i uninstall a program09:21
macogwsilent: #alsa may help09:21
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ChaosParsermacogw: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40504/09:22
macogwlocalgod11: if you want to get rid of the configs too, yes09:22
murlidharyes after update i dunno where can i find them09:22
murlidharmacogw: ^09:22
jussi01silent: lspci should have it listed09:22
localgod11does it matter?09:22
localgod11i mean does it hurt anything?09:22
macogwmurlidhar: /usr/share/backgrounds/ i think09:22
contrast83"apt-get autoremove --purge <package>" is best, me thinks.09:22
macogwlocalgod11: i dont think so09:23
silentjussi01, it is listed, but I cant select it in sound options under system09:23
macogwcontrast83: thats no different from using aptitude purge09:23
jussi01silent: which card is it?09:23
localgod11do things like automatix do that for you?09:23
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contrast83!automatix09:23
macogwsilent: is your nick a joke?09:23
ubotuAutomatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)09:23
macogwlocalgod11: dont use utomatix!!!!!!!09:23
localgod11greaaaaaaaaaat09:23
silentjussi01, onboard on my laptop. it was working under debian etch with same alsa09:23
contrast83localgod11: if you just want to get rid of crap left behind from not purging stuff, open Synaptic -> Status -> Residual Config09:24
localgod11now how do i get rid of that09:24
silentI'm thinking it's a configuration problem09:24
contrast83and no, Automatix doesn't do that. :-)09:24
macogwcontrast83: wait wait wait.  if synaptic can do that, so can apt.  how?09:24
contrast83not sure09:24
jussi01silent: yeah. If its an intel hda then you may have some issues. is it?09:24
murlidharmacogw: i didn't find it there are a lot but not that09:24
rredd4i installed nvidia drivers, did sudo nvidia-config  to enable.   Now when I open terminal all i get is a white window??09:24
contrast83macogw: i read through both aptitude and apt-get's man pages and came up empty handed.09:24
localgod11so how do i remove automatix?09:24
murlidharmacogw: perhaps i have to download them where can i find them?09:25
elkbuntulocalgod11, you're stuck with it now09:25
silentjussi01, shows up as nvidia high definition audio09:25
contrast83macogw: it might only be through dpkg, haven't looked over that one thoroughly yet.09:25
localgod11fug09:25
localgod11fug09:25
silentjussi01, in lspci09:25
crdlbrredd4, sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 2409:25
localgod11if i dont use it will it still fug my system??09:25
jussi01silent: not sure then... 1 sec09:25
ChaosParserjussi01: !worksforme is ironic considering that one person writes each factoid for ubotu.   The factoid for Envy is not only wrong, its written incorrectly by the bot's own suggested standards.  It does not even link to the wiki instructions.09:26
silentjussi01, its the hp pavilion tx1000 if that helps09:26
murlidharalso i can't see the start up screen take ages to boot. help me09:26
elkbuntulocalgod11, it does some things that will break your system by removing it. if you've installed it but are not seeing symptoms now, you're one of the lucky ones, but it's strongly advised that you do not upgrade without reinstalling the whole of ubuntu09:26
localgod11fug09:26
localgod11fug09:26
macogwheh09:26
rredd4crdlb  ok, i have to do that in alt f3...09:26
ChaosParser!ubotu09:26
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots09:26
localgod11fug09:27
crdlbrredd4, won't work09:27
macogwlocalgod11: ive a friend whose system went damn near unusable after a bout with automatix and an attempt at upgrading from edgy to feisty09:27
crdlbrredd4, just switch to metacity09:27
murlidharalso i can't see the start up screen take ages to boot. help me09:27
rredd4how09:27
crdlbthe problem only occurs in compiz09:27
crdlb*sigh*09:27
contrast83regarding automatix, the "lucky ones" seem to be the majority of those who use it. would that be an incorrect observation?09:27
rredd4can't use terminal09:27
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crdlbrredd4, system>preferences>appearance>desktop effects09:27
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elkbuntucontrast83, no, they're the majority of those who stick with it and not go runnign back to windows09:28
macogwmurlidhar: odd.  gutsy's is called warty-final-ubuntu.png (or maybe i'ts w-u-f.png...one of the two orders)09:28
alecwhHow do I install java on gusty?09:28
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jscinozAutomatix is obsolete in gutsy.09:28
crdlbcontrast83, automatix will occasionally send a SIGKILL to dpkg09:28
crdlbdo you have any idea how bad that is?09:28
macogwalecwh: sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre09:28
contrast83i'm not saying Automatix isn't bad09:28
localgod11i dont09:28
murlidharmacogw: where can i find my feisty backgrounds?09:28
macogwalecwh: then do "sudo update-java-alternatives" to set sun java as the default09:28
contrast83just that most people who have used it haven't gotten problems out of it09:28
localgod11obviously09:28
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macogwmurlidhar: theyre supposed to be in /usr/share/backgrounds09:29
alecwhthank you very much macogw! :)09:29
macogwmurlidhar: and feisty's says it's for warty, but it's lying09:29
alecwhjscinoz: Why is automatix obsolete in gusty?09:29
macogwmurlidhar: if you use kde it's in /usr/share/wallpapers/09:29
jussi01silent: Im sorry, I dont know for sure, and I dont want to tell you a solution that will break things09:29
rredd4crdlb  ok, worked.  (its visual effects, not desktop effects)09:29
elkbuntucontrast83, i know you're not, but when you say 'most people who use it', visually yes, but you're not even seeing the ones who use automatix and blame the breakage on linux and give up and go back to windows09:29
rredd4ty09:29
macogwalecwh: becuse what do you do with automatix that isnt in gutsy's add/remove?09:29
murlidharmacogw:  there i can't see my feisty one only new ones09:29
crdlbrredd4, close enough :)09:29
localgod11is it possible to take an inventory of whats installed now so i know what i have to put back?09:29
rredd4yeah09:29
contrast83elkbuntu: point taken. :-)09:30
silentjussi01, It stopped detecting the card after I installed the latest alsa09:30
alecwhmacogw: skype?09:30
macogwmurlidhar: oooo feisty. damn. i'm sorry.  get a feisty source package09:30
alecwhmacogw: I've never used automatix, but I have an idea of what it is.09:30
jscinozalecwh, when you try to play things without codecs, gutsy can automatically tell you which ones are required and install them09:30
macogwalecwh: canonical's commercial repo, no?09:30
contrast83elkbuntu: not sure i want people that stupid using linux anyway though. :-P09:30
silentjussi01, how can I uninstall the drivers I had installed through make install?09:30
contrast83j/k09:30
macogwsilent: sudo make uninstall09:30
ChaosParser!no, Envy is A useful script that will install video drivers if the restricted drivers console does not work for your card.  However, not uninstalling drivers before kernel updates causes issues.09:30
murlidharmacogw: where can i get it?09:30
jussi01silent: ouch. I have a feeling its the same problem as with intel hda, but i am by no means certain of thet09:30
alecwhmacogw: not sure. >_>09:30
jscinozsilent, go to the directory you install from and "sudo make unisntall", in the future use checkinstall instead of make install, that way you can remove it through apt/synaptic/dpkg09:31
macogwmurlidhar: packages.ubuntu.com go to the feisty part and it should be in ubuntu-artwork's source package i think09:31
jussi01silent: make uninstall09:31
crdlbcheckinstall ><09:31
macogwcrdlb: is that a "i hate checkinstall"?09:31
elkbuntucontrast83, its not that type that we need to worry about, it's the type that are general obnoxious idiots... like the majority of places like efnet ;)09:31
crdlbmacogw, indeed09:31
elkbuntus/majority of places/majority of people in places/09:31
savvas`bdayjussi01: you have a problem with hda intel?09:31
macogwcrdlb: i know there are those who dislike it.  what's the reasoning though?09:32
jussi01savvas`bday: happy bday. no09:32
savvas`bdaythanks :)09:32
contrast83elkbuntu: i see what you mean.09:32
elkbuntumacogw, go as the motus  :09:32
Cable86alecwh:  for info about why you shouldn't use automatix, go to http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html09:32
elkbuntus/as/ask/09:32
crdlbmacogw, it makes terrrible packages09:32
macogwtheyre not meant to be portable09:32
alecwhCable86: I don't use it. But thanks for the link, I'll read over it09:32
crdlbI've seen checkinstall packages overwrite gcc with a broken symlink09:32
macogwjust to be easily removable without keeping a source directory sititng around09:33
Cable86checkinstall is fine to use on your own system, but distributing them for others' use is a bad idea09:33
macogwwell that's just plain silly09:33
macogwi did manage to learn to package things properly09:33
crdlband a few extremely important libraries ><09:33
ChaosParserI've never really understood the appeal of using automatix.09:33
Cable86i have yet to learn how to package properly09:33
elkbuntumacogw, some of the motus will react far more to someone saying 'i use checkinstall' than 'i use automatix' if that's any indication ;)09:33
macogwChaosParser: bad frontend to apt that does bad things automagically without you needing to understand how to click 3 buttons and copy and paste urls to add repos.  what could be better?09:34
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contrast83crdlb: is this on the same system the checkinstall package was created on?09:34
contrast83lol macogw09:34
crdlbcontrast83, it was embedded into the package09:34
rredd4crdlb  t09:34
rredd4crdlb  ty09:35
localgod11so let me get this right if i update with automatix i may have to reinstall ubuntu09:35
Cable86where would you guys recommend looking to learn how to package properly for ubuntu?09:35
contrast83localgod11: automatix doesn't update09:35
macogwlocalgod11: right. it breaks things.  bad.09:35
crdlbso if you open it in file-roller, you'd see the broken symlink09:35
localgod11but my other option is to reinstall ubunutu09:35
macogwcontrast83: he means while automatix is installed09:35
elkbuntucontrast83, he means 'with automatix installed'09:35
contrast83ohh09:35
ChaosParsermacogw: It takes me all of 15 minutes to get Ubuntu exactly the way I like it after install.  The only script I used to use was Envy.  And that was a habit from Dapper.09:35
murlidharmacogw: i can't find it could u look for me please09:35
crdlbeven if that symlink worked on that one computer, now that package owns gcc, which is really bad09:35
contrast83localgod11: how far along are you with your current installation?09:35
localgod11done09:35
localgod11for about 2 months09:36
crdlbrredd4, worked? :)09:36
macogwCable86: ubuntu wiki.  or Spec on #ubuntu-offtopic.  he sat next to me and showed me how09:36
elkbuntulocalgod11, you may have to, yes. no harm trying though, so long as you have time and do backups09:36
rredd4crdlb  yes09:36
localgod11or did i miss it09:36
crdlbcool09:36
Cable86macogw:  cool, i'll look into it09:36
elkbuntulocalgod11, anything information about where breakages happen is most useful to preventing them09:36
localgod11linux is on a sperate partion from my data09:36
rredd4next problem....  when I login, the login screen res is too high.  its ok after I login though09:36
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macogwCable86: you should have pbuilder to test your source packages on and fakeroot and devscripts09:37
localgod11but either way i am going to have to reinstall09:37
contrast83rredd4: comment out the Virtual Screen Size lines in your xorg.conf09:37
macogwlocalgod11: partition, you mean09:37
localgod11right? its not like its gonna frag the bios or into my other partitions right?09:37
ChaosParserlocalgod11: Ubuntu doesn't touch your BIOS.09:37
localgod11its 330 am09:37
mewtHi, After the last update, when I try to boot into X, My monitor turns off09:38
localgod11yah i didnt think so but .....09:38
macogwlocalgod11: right it just could mess up permissions in a very insecure way on a pile of system files and might uninstall things automatically without asking you first09:38
localgod11newb09:38
mewtIf i switch to a terminal it comes back on09:38
mewtany ideas ?09:38
localgod11im ok with thta09:38
contrast83localgod11: every expert was a newb once. :-)09:38
rredd4contrast83  manually edit xorg.conf.  won't that mean I won't be able to do dpkg-reconfig... ?09:39
macogwhonestly, i spent a month asking a kid from facebook *everything* about *everything*09:39
contrast83rredd4: no.09:39
macogwand it took me 12 hours to get WPA working09:39
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localgod11like i said i have my data on a seperate partition and vista on another partition so if either way i gotta reinstall no big deal09:39
mewtmacogw: your lucky, i still havent managed on 2 of my pcmcia cards09:39
ChaosParsermacogw: Hah.  It took me an entire weekend to get wifi working once.  And then I reformatted because it wasn't fast enough.09:39
macogwmewt: that was with works-out-of-the-box intel wireless09:39
macogwit was the stupid system > admin > networking's fault09:40
localgod11yah i figured i would get into trouble at some point so i split the hard drive up09:40
macogwit cant do wpa09:40
rredd4brb09:40
macogwof course, it doesn't TELL you that09:40
mewtmacogw: lol, I have a broadcom chipset and an atheros one09:40
contrast83localgod11: smart move09:40
ChaosParserBroadcom is the DEVIL.09:40
contrast83localgod11: do you have / and /home on seperate partitions?09:40
localgod11see learned alot from windows09:40
macogwcontrast83: he said that aleady09:40
macogwor she09:40
localgod11no i wasnt that smart09:40
macogwwhichever09:40
macogwoh wait09:40
contrast83macogw: did he? i know he said his "data" was seperate.09:40
mewtanyone know anything about my monitor turning off problem in x ?09:40
macogwhmm then what do yo mean by data on a separate partitin?09:41
contrast83media files, documents, etc., i would presume.09:41
localgod11to be fair i didnt know there was a such thing when i installed linux09:41
macogwoh09:41
localgod11yep yep09:41
macogwwhen i say a partition for data i mean a /home09:41
macogwbecause saving files and not settings means having to go do settings later09:41
macogwi had mine all on one partition though before09:42
localgod11yes but i would rather loose settings than files09:42
jussi01mewt: sounds like you need to reconfigure x - sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg09:42
macogwtil i accidentally formatted09:42
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contrast83localgod11: yeah, when you reinstall, seperately partition / and /home. then when you reinstall next time, your settings and stuff will still be in tact09:42
macogwjussi01: isnt there also sudo X --configure or something lik ethat?09:42
ChaosParsermacogw: How exactly, does one accidentally reformat?09:42
mewtjussi01: I AM doing an update right now..see if it fixes it..if nothing works out then ill try that09:42
localgod11so when i have to reinstall you got a tutorial for that?09:42
jussi01macogw: not sure09:42
jussi01mewt: good luck :)09:42
localgod11sudo09:42
macogwChaosParser: intend to install feisty alpha 2 to /dev/sdb for testing and install it on /dev/sda instead09:43
mewtjussi01: thanks, not turning on your pc for 2 days means a LOT of updates ;)09:43
localgod11thats something i learned early sudo does not ask ARE YOU SURE?09:43
jussi01mewt: lol...09:43
jussi01mewt: what speed connection?09:43
mewt2mbit09:43
contrast83localgod11: do manual partitioning when you get to that step, and create 3 partitions - one for swap (2x your memory), one for / (around 10GB is suitable for most people), and the rest to /home09:43
jussi01mewt: well let us know how you go09:44
localgod11nope thats not gonna work09:44
contrast83localgod11: make sure the bootable flag is on for / and / only. i think that covers everything. sorry, don't know of a tutorial.09:44
ChaosParsermacogw: Ouch :(09:44
murlidhari can't find the grey background in feisty wallpaper could somebody help me09:44
contrast83localgod11: ?09:44
mewtjussi01: will do :)09:44
macogwChaosParser: /dev/sda is my laptop's hard drive.  /dev/sdb is my external drive09:44
localgod11I only have 12gb for linux the rest is vista and files09:44
macogwcontrast83: linux doesnt need bootable flags.  the bootable flag needs to be on his windows. only windows is silly enough to require it.09:44
localgod112 gb swap file09:44
mewtjussi01: i'v seen that there are some mesa files in the update09:44
mewtjussi01: maybe that's what it is09:44
contrast83macogw: ohh, interesting. thanks.09:44
localgod11yah linux does have a bootable flag now09:45
macogwit has it in case you dual boot09:45
jussi01mewt: yeah, there is a whole lot of stuff there. hopefully it fixes it09:45
macogwit doesnt *need* it09:45
contrast83macogw: so if the bootable flag for the / partition is turned off, it'll still boot from /?09:45
rredd4contrast83 don't see Virtual Screen Size in xorg.conf09:45
localgod11damn 2x memory for 4gb for swap09:45
mewtjussi01: yup, well im not too bothered...actually happy..been on gutsy for 6 weeks now, was really sad about the few things that broke09:45
localgod11sorry i meant does not have a bootable flag now09:45
macogwcontrast83: yes, i believe so.  booting starts at the MBR with GRUB and then GRUB knows where to look.  i have triple booted linux and only 1 of the 3 could possibly have had the bootable flag09:46
localgod11this would be the down side of all that partitioning09:46
contrast83rredd4: sorry, i don't remember if that's exactly what it's called. do "grep -i virtual /etc/X11/xorg.conf"09:46
mewtjussi01: I expected hell to break lose and instead everything went smoothyl09:46
macogwlocalgod11: 4gb of swap is unnecessarily large09:46
jussi01mewt: your lucky then. I have an ati card, which the driver has been broken on for I cant remember how long...09:46
localgod11so is the 2gb of ram (damn vista)09:47
macogwlocalgod11: you wont be swapping. yes, swap is needed for hibernate, but that only needs to be as much as you have real memory or slightly more if you think you'll swap at all (and with 2gb you won't be)09:47
mewtjussi01: upgrading to gutsy actually fixed my nvidia problems immediately :o09:47
rredd4contrast83 nothing09:47
contrast83yeah, they say 2x memory up to 2 gigs, then one and a half is sufficient. personally, i've got a gig of ram on the laptop and a gig of ram for swap (small hard drive) and it's fine.09:47
jussi01mewt: nice.09:47
localgod11hibernate doesnt work anyway09:47
contrast83rredd4: sorry, not sure then.09:47
mewtjussi01: ye!09:48
mewtjussi01: well time to reboot09:48
mewtjussi01: see you in a but09:48
mewtbit*09:48
jussi01mewt: good luck :)09:48
macogwcontrast83: they said 2x memory in the 90s.  if you dont use hibernate/suspend (and if it's a desktop or server you likely don't...those are things for laptops), > 256mb of ram is excessive09:48
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localgod11so how much for home and how much for the rest?09:48
Vladlu09:48
Vladhi09:48
localgod11hibernate doesnt work on my laptop09:48
contrast83macogw: > 256mb of ram or > 256mb of swap?09:48
localgod11never comes back09:48
macogwcontrast83: of swap09:48
contrast83heh, ok. i was gonna say... :-P09:49
localgod11usually ctrl alt backspace brings it back09:49
macogwheh oops09:49
macogwi do have a few computers with < 256mb of ram :)09:49
contrast83localgod11: was this with compiz/beryl on?09:49
localgod11yah09:49
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contrast83localgod11: turn it off before suspending09:49
contrast83localgod11: i had that same problem and that solved it for me.09:49
macogwlocalgod11: well ive done something like 2gb for / before, but that had a 5gb drive and extremely little installed.  7gb is sufficient provided you clear your apt cache once in a while09:50
localgod11yah if i remeber i try to09:50
macogwcontrast83: you can probably set it in acpi to automatically kill compiz and the nvidia driver09:50
localgod11well i could use gparted and move things around a little09:50
macogwnvidia drivers are bad with suspend09:50
macogw?09:50
macogwI: is that for amusing /me 's??09:51
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localgod11so i could make i swap file 1 gb?09:51
mewtjussi01: nope it didnt fix it !09:51
mewt:D09:51
contrast83then again, if the only thing going into his $HOME is his personal settings, he could probably get away with a pretty small amount of space there09:52
localgod11that would leave me 11 for everything else09:52
jussi01mewt: how about the command i gave you?09:52
macogwlocalgod11: partition09:53
mewtjussi01: Im actually suspecting my problem isnt package related since i can login into my sisters account09:53
macogwnot file09:53
jussi01mewt: ahhh09:53
localgod11yah swap partition09:53
mewti *think* i might have tinkered about with my resolution settings09:53
mewtin my account09:53
mewtputting them too high for myself09:53
mewtany way to change those from cli ?09:54
Cable86i typically make root 10-15 GB, swap twice as big as the amount of RAM i have, and use the rest for home09:54
contrast83well, i'm off. peace out, y'all.09:54
localgod111 gb swap partition 4 for home and 11 for the rest09:54
mewtcontrast83: gn09:54
localgod11does that sound right?09:54
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ChaosParserlocalgod11: That should work.09:56
localgod11yah but i am running 2 gb of ram09:56
macogwdoesnt add up to the 12 you said you had...09:56
localgod11its 4 am09:56
macogwlocalgod11: with 2gb of ram you will not be swapping.09:56
macogwhow do you expect to use all 2gb of ram and *still need more*??09:56
localgod11sorry i was responding to cable09:56
mewtmacogw: i can manage that :)09:57
macogwO_o09:57
macogw500 tabs in firefox?09:57
macogwfirefox 1.5, i mean09:57
hit:D09:57
localgod11fug 5 min in vista will runn up most of it09:57
macogwfor 3 days?09:57
macogwlocalgod11: well thats microsoft09:57
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localgod11yah i know i am amazed by the fact the vista at idle takes more power than beryl with the cube spinning09:58
Cable86localgod11:  with 2GB of RAM, you won't need much swap at all for linux....vista will swallow it up indeed, but linux will be much nicer :-)09:58
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macogwlinux runs on a p2 with 192mb of ram09:59
macogwxp ran, but linux is faster09:59
localgod11i maybe i newb but i have found religion09:59
mewtCable86: def, altho with a large number of tweaks i got my work laptop running vista to run on 1gb of ram leaving 500mb of ram free09:59
macogwvista wouldnt even fit on the damn hard drive09:59
Cable86indeed it does, depending on what DE you use09:59
Cable86if any :-P09:59
ChaosParserlocalgod11: Vista is a badly written piece of crap.09:59
localgod11i have noticed09:59
mewtmacogw: actually it will, wont leave much space for anything else tho :p09:59
localgod11i am so ashamed09:59
macogwCable86: gnome was faster than xp.  e17 is phenomenal09:59
localgod11i am in love with a penguin10:00
Cable86has e17 reached final release yet?10:00
macogwmewt: vista will fit on a 5gb hard drive?10:00
silentwhat utilities are there for detecting sound devices? The card shows up in lspci, but is not recognized by gutsy10:00
murlidharhow i go back to feisty since i have lost my ubuntustudio wallpapers10:00
localgod11e17?10:00
mewterm not 5 710:00
ChaosParserlocalgod11: Enlightenment10:00
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localgod11mewt no10:00
ChaosParserlocalgod11: It's a window manager.10:00
macogwCable86: pre-alpha.  rock solid, but it seems they want to make apps for their libraries since the wm part of it seems to be very well fleshed out10:00
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mewtlast time i tried e17 was back when i was using mandrake 1010:00
macogwlocalgod11: enlightenment dr 1710:00
Cable86macogw:  gotcha10:00
mewtsig faulted every 3 seconds10:00
localgod11wth is that?10:00
Cable86maybe ill give e17 a try soon10:00
Cable86is it in the gutsy repo's?  i havent looked10:01
mewtseg*10:01
macogwlocalgod11: window manager10:01
macogwCable86: no10:01
ChaosParserAdvantages of E17 over Gnome are... ?10:01
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localgod11this is the problem with linux as soon as i get everything running i find a cool new thing i have to have10:01
macogwextraordinarily lightweight while still being beautiful (unlike, for example, icewm)10:01
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localgod11macogw: works with beryl?10:01
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macogwlocalgod11: it's a window manager.  beryl is a window manager.  one window manager at a time.10:02
murlidharplease somebody tell me how to get my wallpaper back?????10:02
mewtlocalgod11: beryl is dead now ;)10:02
ChaosParsermacogw: Eh.  I love my compiz.  :)10:02
mewtactually last update really made compiz smoother than ever10:02
localgod11but then does beryl always look like gnome?10:02
silentChaosParser, I love compiz too, but my sound wont work10:02
Cable86not sure about e17, but e16 was very lightweight and had some features resembling compositing window managers like compiz10:02
macogwive been very excited to get fluxbox set up how i want it the last couple days10:02
localgod11beryl is easier to type10:02
macogwlocalgod11: gnome isnt a window manager10:02
ChaosParsermacogw: Desktop Wall on a 14.1 notebook makes all the difference.  :)10:02
localgod11fug10:03
ChaosParsersilent: What sound card ya got?10:03
localgod11right metacity right10:03
macogwlocalgod11: gnome is a desktop environment. its default window manager is metacity.  you're just changing the window manager and keeping the rest10:03
ChaosParsersilent: Have you checked alsamixer to make sure things aren't muted?10:03
macogwyou can use beryl with kde10:03
macogwor even use beryl by itself10:03
silentChaosParser, onboard laptop sound... installed the latest alsa to no avail, .... the card isnt detected10:03
silentat all10:03
localgod11interesting what does that look like?10:03
silentit appears in lspci, however10:03
Cable86do people still use beryl since compiz fusion is around now?10:03
localgod11beryl by itself i mean?10:03
macogwlocalgod11: like kde with wobbly windows10:03
localgod11lol10:03
ChaosParsersilent: And whats the output of lspci for it?10:04
silentsec10:04
macogwlocalgod11: oh that.  compiz fusion *does* seem to be stable enough for it now (ie doesnt crash).  it just looks plain.  no panels. you can install a dock, though last i looked none of them were very stable10:04
localgod11i use beryl and compizfusion interchangabkey10:04
silentChaosParser, 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)10:04
Cable86macogw:  have you tried avant window navigator?10:04
silentChaosParser, I was wondering, I'm using the development alsa build, would the latest stable release work better?10:05
macogwlocalgod11: i like mapping keyboard shortcuts to run processes in compiz fusion, so i could run whatever common things from those, and then anything else...well, one of my mappings is a terminal10:05
localgod11you would like a bunch of linux coder would have come up with an easier to type name10:05
macogwCable86: no, i heard AWN was unstable. i tried kiba10:05
localgod11no mouse?10:05
ChaosParsersilent: Probably not.  Give me a minute or three with google.10:05
silentchaos, k10:05
macogwlocalgod11: CF10:05
Cable86macogw:  i actually used awn before switching to gutsy, i never had any problems with it10:05
macogwlocalgod11: you can use a mouse to do stuff, but there's no menus if you dont have a dock10:05
localgod11ok i  admit it i like the name beryl better10:05
mewtmacogw: last time i used awn, it was very good, kiba was slow10:06
localgod11intestting10:06
macogwCable86: oh ok.  maybe will try again then10:06
silentlocalgod11, I like the software... it could be called "pink fluffy bunnies", and as long as it worked, I wouldn't care10:06
localgod11yah but then how do you know your windows wooble?10:06
macogwlocalgod11: DE's have panels, a bundled (changeable though) window manager, and a suite of software10:06
ChaosParsersilent: Looks like a known bug with a possible solution on the discussion for it that might be worth trying for you.10:06
ChaosParsersilent: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/11724610:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117246 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Not work Audio device: "nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)"" [Medium,Confirmed] 10:06
macogwlocalgod11: you can move your windows with the mouse. you just cant go to a panel and open a menu to get to the program you want if you dont have a dock10:07
silentChaosParser, I will check that out, thanks10:07
localgod11so whats this i keep hearing about the expose geature?10:07
murlidharhow can i uninstall the updates that i have done in an hour ago??????????????10:07
ChaosParsersilent: No problem :)10:07
localgod11feature?10:07
localgod11is there any real reason to use it instead of the RIng10:07
macogwlocalgod11: you can set the "scale" plugin to be activated on a screen edge. i do top left corner for all workspaces and top right for regular "current workspace"10:07
macogwlocalgod11: a matter of what you like best.  i use them both10:08
macogwscale shows them all roughly the same size.  ring zooms one in10:08
localgod11ill be honest i like it cause it looks impressive10:08
murlidharhow can i uninstall the updates that i have done in an hour ago??????????????10:08
ChaosParsermacogw: The ring switcher compiz plugin is a memory whore.10:09
ChaosParsermacogw: And a CPU whore.10:09
localgod112 gb ram10:09
Cable86i use the shift switcher10:09
ChaosParserlocalgod11: Yeah, me too.  Its still a whore.10:09
localgod11dual core 1.8 5600 series10:09
macogwmurlidhar: removal of your old bg would have been a post install script thing10:09
silentChaosParser, I'll let you know how that install goes10:09
ChaosParsersilent: Good luck!10:09
localgod11i have the power i like to see it being used10:09
murlidharmacogw: how to do that?10:10
macogwmurlidhar: i dont know what grey feisty bg you mean though. afaik, they were all brown, not grey10:10
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mewtis there an xorg.conf for every user on the system ?10:10
macogwmurlidhar: i just mean uninstalling the new one wont bring back the old one10:10
murlidharmacogw: it was from ubuntustudio10:10
Cable86mewt:  no10:10
mewtor how are the resolution setttings stored10:10
mewt?10:10
silentdoes anyone here know how to make compiz more physics-based (ie, give the windows kinetic energy that allows you to nudge the window off and have it continue moving?10:10
macogwmurlidhar: oh then you wouldnt look on ubuntu's package page like i said.  look through ubuntustudio's site. im sure they have a way to navigate their archives10:10
localgod11anyway its 4am here and i gave been screwing around in linux since 7pm i gotta sleep10:10
localgod11i cant thank you all enough10:11
mewti can login into my sisters account..but when i try mine, monitor turns off (light goes amber)10:11
localgod11i learned alot10:11
silentlocalgod11, sleep is for the weak, I'm not sleeping10:11
macogwsilent: not sure the options are still there, but wobbly windows definitely let you set friction and k at some point, resulting in me going "low friction, high k, lets see what happens!" and my window flying off the screen where i couldn't find it10:11
localgod11sorry man i been up since 9am yesterday and i want to build a DVR tomorrow10:12
silentmacogw, sounds like just what I want10:12
localgod11GOODBYE AND THANKS FOR ALL THE FISH10:12
macogwsilent: its still there10:12
macogwsilent: in the compizconfig settings manager, click on "wobbly windows" and those options are there10:12
mewtlocalgod11: see you at the restaurant at the end of the universe :)10:12
ChaosParsersilent: do you have  compizconfig settings manager installed?10:13
macogwlocalgod11: it's "so long"10:13
ChaosParsergood night, localgod1110:13
silentChaosParser, I do10:13
Cable86silent:  install compiz config settings manager and look in the wobbly windows dialog10:13
silentChaosParser, playing with the friction now10:13
ChaosParserCable86: He's a step ahead! lol10:13
mewtyou, nearly every guy in here has read the hithickers guide to the galaxy10:13
Cable86haha yeah, he beat me :-P10:13
localgod11I LOVE LINUX PEOPLE HHGTG IS MORE RECOGNIZED AROUND THESE CHANNELS THAN ANYWHERE ELSE10:13
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ChaosParsermewt: Not everyone in here is a guy.10:14
ultraviolet__hello10:14
ChaosParserAllo, ultraviolet__10:14
ultraviolet__ChaosParser, me not for instance10:14
macogwim a girl10:14
macogwi was just reading So Long and Thanks for All the Fish10:14
silentChaosParser, can I just use the install files from alsa-project or should I use the suse snapshot referenced?10:14
ChaosParserI'm a girl.  I've read So Long and Thanks for All the Fish too.10:15
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ultraviolet__macogw, i love that book10:15
ChaosParsersilent: I'd go for the install files.10:15
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macogwsomeone saying "walkman" while i read about arthur and fenchurch using walkmen while having airborn sex is what made me pop in here10:15
contrast83Back again...10:15
mewtChaosParser: my apologies on that one10:15
ChaosParsermacogw: That was me. :-D10:15
macogwoh ok10:15
contrast83KNetworkManager isn't listing any devices when I right-click it, even though I *am* online. Any ideas?10:16
silentthat linessa commercial is starting to get annoying10:16
localgod11WOW THERE ARE WOMEN ON THE INTERNET10:16
ChaosParsermewt: Its okay.  its a common mistake when things with electricty are involved. ;)10:16
macogwlocalgod11: http://xkcd.com/322 <-- preemptive10:16
mewtChaosParser: it's really not the technology barrier, it's more the book in this case10:16
gogetalocalgod11 nope thats only a,ie10:16
localgod11dont worry i easnt going to ask for pics10:16
ChaosParsermewt: Oh.  What?  Why?10:16
ultraviolet__people, i've just installed gutsy beta in my PC, and everything went fine, except for my comp won't turn off. i have to press power button, or turn off using terminal. anyone has been through this? how did you solve it?10:16
localgod11a,ie?10:17
ChaosParserultraviolet__: Have you done all the updates already?10:17
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mewtChaosParser: I always expected the hitchhickers guide to the galaxy a very guyish book10:17
ChaosParsermacogw: xckd is fantastical. :)10:17
ultraviolet__ChaosParser, yes, i had a dist-upgrade already10:17
localgod11i read xkcd to10:17
macogwChaosParser: better when spelled right10:17
ChaosParsermacogw: LOL.  That it is.  >.<10:18
ChaosParserultraviolet__: Notebook?10:18
andcoram I right if I asume that there is a bug in compiz-fusion with the latest updates ?10:18
ultraviolet__ChaosParser, no, regular PC10:18
contrast83ultraviolet__: Maybe make sure /sbin/shutdown has execute permissions for everyone?10:18
ChaosParsermacogw: I'm dyslexic.  :(10:19
contrast83ultraviolet__: Do you know how to do that?10:20
ChaosParserultraviolet__: You said you can shut down from terminal, right?  Do you have to sudo when you do?10:20
ultraviolet__contrast83, i'lll take a look10:20
mewtand i fixed it! kind of :/10:20
macogwChaosParser: oh worry10:20
macogw*sorry10:20
ultraviolet__ChaosParser, i tried with sudo, never tried without it.10:21
macogwi simply can't type properly10:21
ChaosParsermacogw: Irony.10:21
mewtI changed the line saying virtual in my xorg.conf from 2480 1534 to 1280 102410:21
macogwChaosParser: bitch, isnt it?10:21
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ChaosParsermacogw: Total.  Eris laughs.10:21
silentall in favour of voting gutsy best distro evar say I10:21
italianidlehi everybody10:21
silent..I10:21
macogwChaosParser: eris? for some reason i have in mind some pagan jokester deity10:22
contrast83given i haven't used every distro ever made, i can't honestly cast a vote. sorry.10:22
mewt..I..just wish I could fix my probs :p10:22
italianidlei have a problem with gutsy rc10:23
ultraviolet__contrast83, just changed the permissions for shutdown, i'll try to turn off now. thanks10:23
mewtcontrast83: well you can, as your knowledge only extends to those you tried, then effectively, the ones you tried are the only ones made for you10:23
silentquestion, if I didnt have all the necessary packages to do a ./configure/make/make install.... it would tell me right?10:23
ChaosParsermacogw: Next time you're bored, wiki Discordianism10:23
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ChaosParsersilent: In theory, yes.10:24
ChaosParseritalianidle: Great.  Whats your problem?10:24
italianidlewhen the system start it doesn't found splash image10:24
macogwChaosParser: ah this is discordianism again, is it? that explains why i heard the phrase recently. the emacs user was explaining why his facebook religion is discordianism10:25
silentChaosParser, I just need gcc right?10:25
andcorsilent: buildessential10:25
ChaosParsersilent: what andcor said.10:25
mewtsilent: buildessential10:25
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macogwsilent: build-essential with a dash10:25
italianidleso I have a black screen instead of splash with logo10:25
ChaosParsermacogw: Yep.  The wikipedia article is actually rather good.10:25
silentthe compile completed successfully10:25
silentso I'm guessing it was alright10:25
silentmoment of truth, restarting10:26
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andcorsilent: I would asume that to10:26
ChaosParsermacogw: Ever read the Illuminatus Trilogy?10:26
macogwChaosParser: i looked it up in the jargon file the other day as well while i was looking up the list of holy wars10:26
macogwno10:26
ChaosParsermacogw: If you enjoy Hitchhikers, you may enjoy it as well.10:26
macogwmy facebook now includes the following:  Holy Wars:  10:27
macogwif (EMACS || vi) return vi; if (KDE || GNOME) return GNOME; if (Trek || Wars) return Trek; if (Linux || Windows) return Linux;10:27
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ChaosParserhah hah10:27
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ChaosParserultraviolet: Did it work?10:27
macogwis it a trilogy the way H2G2 is a trilogy (that is, by having !3 books?)10:27
italianidledid you understand ChaosParser?10:28
ultravioletChaosParser, nope10:28
macogws/?)/)?10:28
ChaosParseritalianidle: Its probably just not the right resolution so it isn't displaying.10:28
ChaosParsermacogw: I don't think so.  its just a really thick book.10:28
ultravioletChaosParser, i also tried editing grub/menu.lst and adding "ACP1=force" at the end of kernel entry, but also the same10:28
TheInfinitymacogw: you miss the distrie wars :p10:29
macogwTheInfinity: oh right. yum v. apt10:29
TheInfinityyes10:29
macogwfor me it comes down to nice or evil package manager10:29
macogwor no package manager at all (*shudder*)10:29
TheInfinityand debian vs gentoo vs suse vs ...10:30
italianidle /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=UUID="*****" ro quiet splash locale=it_IT10:30
italianidlethis is the row on menu.lst file10:30
ChaosParserultraviolet: I'd throw power+yourmotherboardmodel+gutsy into google and see if maybe there's a bug.10:30
macogwTheInfinity: well i refuse to get into any sort of ubuntu v debian thing except to point out that debian doesnt support my laptop's hardware10:30
TheInfinitybut suse vs ubuntu? ;)10:31
TheInfinityor gentoo vs debian? :D10:31
ChaosParserultraviolet: Do you have an ATI card?10:32
ultravioletChaosParser, thanks but i've been looking around for almost 3 days and found some complaints and no solution. Found several bug reports for this kernel version with the same problem. That's why i thought someone here has been through  the same.10:32
macogwTheInfinity: for me, the entire difference is the package manager. the tools are nearly identical throughout10:32
ChaosParserEek.  italianidle:  Do you have an ATI card?10:32
TheInfinityok ;)10:32
italianidleyes10:33
ultravioletCahosParser, no.10:33
ChaosParseritalianidle: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/12452610:33
italianidleati radeon mobility 960010:33
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silentChaosParser, no dice, I'm getting ( sorry for paste): The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured.10:33
silentYou can remove the volume control from the panel by right-clicking the speaker icon on the panel and selecting "Remove From Panel" from the menu.10:33
macogwTheInfinity: if i was the type to require that things be pre-configured or if i had fussy hardware, it might matter, but as it is, my wireless card takes 3 debian packages or 1 rpm, or nothing on ubuntu.  i find that yum and yast are terribly slow, though, and well...by the time you're done emerging world, you may have to do it again10:34
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macogwTheInfinity: if i tried to do gentoo "the right way" (not the compiled one from the live cd) or LFS, id certainly be in trouble from not knowing *what* to compile, but anything that has a default config to it, im fine with i think10:34
papohi. Is this a distro war or something?10:35
ChaosParsersilent: Then I am sadly out of suggestions.  It is a bug, that is being worked on though.10:35
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italianidleok thanks ,ChaosParser10:35
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silentChaosParser, I dont think so, the card was detected before I installed the latest driver10:36
vmlinuz`gogeta: i tried alot of torrents, all say the same thing. isn't it maybe a port forwarding problem?10:36
silentChaosParser, I think I'll try installing the latest stable10:36
ChaosParsersilent, I meant bug 117246.10:36
ChaosParsersilent: you won't get sound even if you get it installed, apparently.10:37
ChaosParserhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/11724610:37
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117246 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Not work Audio device: "nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)"" [Medium,Confirmed] 10:37
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silentChaosParser, I've gotten it working in etch... this makes me sad10:37
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ChaosParsersilent: How'd you get it working in etch?10:38
mewtjussi01: Still there ?10:38
jussi01mewt: yep10:38
silentChaosParser, installing the latest alsa ;P10:38
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mewtjussi01: I did the reconfigure process10:38
mewtjussi01: and i logged in fine10:38
silentChaosParser, I guess it's something to do with the kernel... that was with 2.1810:38
jussi01mewt: great!10:38
silent2.6.18*10:38
mewtjussi01: however i dont have any panels, just icons10:38
rohancan someone please give me the md5sum for kubuntu rc gutsy iso ? the mirrors seem donw10:38
ChaosParsersilent: Yeah.  It must be.10:38
rohan*down10:38
mewtjussi01: if i run gnome-panel10:38
mewtjussi01: it says that a panel is already running10:39
rohanmore specifically kubuntu-7.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso10:39
mewtjussi01: so im guessing they are floating in oblivion somewere out of my screen or i have a second problem then10:39
ChaosParserrohan: ALL of the mirrors are down?  Thats sorta.... really unlikely.10:39
jussi01mewt: sounds a bit screwed...10:39
rohanChaosParser: no, actually the mirrors that i tried are down10:39
mewtjussi01: it is slightly10:40
rohanChaosParser: ah no, releases.ubuntu.com works now10:40
rohannp10:40
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frostburnddos?10:40
mewtjussi01: compiz fusion and all that thing work etc10:40
mewtjussi01: i get cube and all10:40
mewtjust missing my dear buttons it seems10:41
jussi01mewt: try killing the gnome panel and restarting it10:41
bazhangwondering if there is a preferable download the KDE live CD or the DVD for the RC.10:41
rohanbazhang: there is a kde live cd available10:41
rohanbazhang: kubuntu-7.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso10:41
italianidleChaosParser: the problem in the link refers to splash screen but I'm talking about usplash at boot time10:41
mewtjussi01: again, sisters account works fine, mine doesnt10:41
mewtok will try10:41
bazhangrohan: thanks! Is that better than the KDE RC DVD (now at linuxtracker dot org)?10:42
mewtjussi01: AHA! You are ze genius10:42
mewtmewt: worked that way..so what's up with it loading on startup ?10:42
jussi01mewt: lol10:42
rohanbazhang: well, i prefer the cd download, because i don't need complete main repo on dvd10:42
rohanbazhang: the cd has just enough for a normal user to use, and whatever more i need, i add :)10:43
jussi01mewt: not sure. try saving the session and restarting...10:43
bazhangrohan: thanks! appreciate it. Will download asap. :}10:43
ChaosParseritalianidle: Do you get the login screen?10:43
rohanbazhang: go ahead, best of luck :D kubuntu rocks10:44
italianidleChaosParser: yes10:44
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rohanbazhang: and during feisty, the rc iso itself was released as gold iso, so there are high chances you're getting the final stuff itself ;)10:45
italianidlebut at boot time i press ALT+F1 to start normal boot because no usplash image was found10:45
mewtjussi01: that seems to have worked :D10:45
mewtjussi01: If you are a girl, I'd kiss you, a guy - well i'd shake your hand!10:45
jussi01mewt: great. you probably had some setting it didnt like10:46
jussi01mewt: Im male :)10:46
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reldruhhi all. I don't mean to interrupt and I'm not sure if this is the right place to do this but I just installed the Kubuntu Gutsy RC and less than 5 minutes later I had wireless working, better than it ever had before, without having to touch the command line once. I don't know if there are any developers here but if there are, you guys are doing an amazing job.10:46
mewtbrb lemm close irssi and log into xchat10:46
ChaosParseritalianidle: Try installing a new one?10:47
silentChaosParser, think a kernel reinstall might help?10:47
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ChaosParsersilent: No.  its a bug in the kernel source.10:48
ChaosParsersilent: thats what the bug IS.10:48
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mewtback10:48
mewt!10:48
frostburnsomeone wake me when ubuntu forums are back10:48
silentChaosParser, some one had it working after a -13 update though, unless the bug jumped back in on -1410:48
mewtwhat they're down ?!10:48
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ChaosParsersilent: I have no idea, in that case.10:48
silentChaosParser, oh well, how long do kernel bugs usually take to work out?10:49
ChaosParsersilent: Till the next update, i would imagine.10:49
rohan_huh .. the rc has a kernel bug ?10:50
silentChaosParser, how often are updates on average?10:50
rohan_silent: pretty fast, for grave bugs10:50
silentrohan_ days?10:50
rohan_silent: hours10:50
ChaosParserrohan: There's a kernel source bug for a specific sound card.10:51
silentrohan_, I see10:51
rohan_ChaosParser: oh, i see10:51
rohan_shouldn't expect it very fast then silent10:51
rohan_silent: when did you report the bug ?10:51
silentI didnt10:51
silentbut I'm installing some updates right now so I'll see what happens10:51
rohan_silent: then the bug was already reported ?10:52
silentyes10:52
ChaosParserrohan_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/12452610:52
silentbrb, restart quick10:52
ChaosParserrohan: Wrong one.10:52
rohan_ChaosParser: that;s what i was going to ask, compiz ..10:52
ChaosParserrohan_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/11724610:52
italianidleChaosParser: maybe i've found the solution: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=561841&highlight=usplash+gutsy10:52
ChaosParseritalianidle: Looks like it.10:53
rohan_for some reason launchpad is terribly slow. or is it just me ?10:53
ChaosParserrohan_: Not at all.  Even Ubotu is complaining.10:53
jussi01launchpad is always slow...10:54
rohan_jussi01: not this slow10:54
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silentno dice10:54
ChaosParserjussi01: Yeah.  But its actually timing out everytime Ubotu tries to access it.10:54
silenton the update10:54
silentI'll keep looking into it10:54
silentgonna sleep10:55
rohan_silent:10:55
rohan_silent: does the bug status say fix commited ?10:55
ChaosParsergood luck and good night, silten10:55
rohan_silent: or released /10:55
jussi01ChaosParser: oh...10:55
silentdon't know, can I get that bug link again ChaosParser10:55
ChaosParserhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/11724610:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117246 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Not work Audio device: "nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)"" [Medium,Confirmed] 10:55
rohan_if it's just "confirmed" then i don't expect it to be fixed for release10:56
silentwell that sucks10:56
italianidleChaosParser: do you know how to use mkinitramfs?10:56
ChaosParseritalianidle: Nope, sorry.10:57
italianidleok10:57
silentrohan_, does gutsy greatly rely on 2.6.22 or could I use 2.6.18?10:57
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rohan_silent: err, it uses 2.6.2210:58
rohan_why do you want to use such an old kernel ?10:58
silentsound10:58
silentI know it worked in .1810:58
rohan_silent: did you try compiling the modules from alsa-hg ?10:58
rohan_silent: and you should really file the bug on alsa-project.org tracker10:58
silentI did ./configure make make install if that's what you mean10:58
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rohan_silent: you did ./configure make make install for drivers from the alsa-hg repository ?10:59
silentrohan_, I used the latest development release10:59
rohan_silent: ah ok .. those did not work too ?10:59
silent1.0.15rc310:59
silentrohan_, nope10:59
silentthey did under .18 though11:00
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rohan_silent: well i don't suggest using such an old kernel .. maybe if you are so inclined you can forward port the drivers from 2.6.18 to .22 , or just wait for ubuntu guys to fix the bug11:00
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rohan_which i am almost sure won't make it to gutsy11:00
silentrohan_, I'll just wait11:00
silentI'm out though, night11:01
rohan_ok, i'm off to install gutsy ..11:03
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pwnt-hey is it possible to install w32codecs for gutsy? I see in medibuntu site for fiesty but not for gutsy, anyone know?11:12
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ssbhi.  I have a problem:  photo printing is very slow.  (my printer is hp 8200, driver hpijs/foomatic-rip,  from clicking "print" to beginning of actual printer work "gs" spends roughly a minute, cpu-bound)11:15
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savvas`bdaypwnt-: yep, I'm using it as well11:16
spr0k3tokay... All of my computers have sound with the latest updates except my main computer.  Anyone have a SoundBlaster Audigy with sound?11:16
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pwnt-savvas`bday: from which site. is it possible to download the .deb file from here. http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/ --- and then dpkg -i w32codecs.deb ?11:17
pwnt-do you think it'll work aswell?11:17
savvas`bdayargh11:17
ssbis my problem known?11:17
savvas`bdaypwnt-: it's better to use www.medibuntu.org11:17
savvas`bdayfrom what I know, they keep that list updated11:17
pwnt-savvas`bday: allright. but which one should i get? The fiesty one?11:18
spr0k3tssb: are you sure it's a problem?  how does it differ from printing in 7.04?11:18
savvas`bdaypwnt-: yes11:18
savvas`bdaypwnt-: why don't you add the feisty to the sources.d as they explain in their "how to" and just sudo apt-get update  && sudo apt-get install w32codecs11:19
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ssbspr0k3t, dunno, I installed ubuntu on this box for the first time.   fotoprinting in windows on that box worked perfectly11:19
spr0k3tsavvas`bday: what about the ubuntu-other-restricted-modules?11:19
DevideZeroi can request ubuntu gusty from shipit ?11:19
spr0k3tsavvas`bday: that has the w32 codecs11:19
crdlbpwnt-, there is a medibuntu gutsy repo11:20
crdlbthat page just doesn't list it11:20
savvas`bdayspr0k3t: I don't have such a package here11:20
pwnt-cool man thanks11:20
pwnt-crdlb: couldn't find it11:20
pwnt-crdlb: I got the fiesty one, looks like it'll work11:20
crdlbpwnt-, bad idea11:20
crdlbjust change "feisty" to "gutsy"11:20
ssbspr0k3t, and yes it is a problem as waiting more than a minute each time before printing even starts is painful11:21
spr0k3tsavvas`bday: oops, my bad, it's "ubuntu-restricted-extras"11:21
pwnt-crdlb: how man. couldnt find a gutsy one, can you give me the wget command line for gutsy one?11:21
pwnt-to update my repo11:21
kaminixHow stable is the Release Candidate? :)11:21
spr0k3tpwnt-: there is no medibuntu for gutsy11:21
savvas`bdayspr0k3t: dunno, I have it too, didn't know it had w32codecs :P11:21
crdlbspr0k3t, yes there is11:21
crdlbpwnt-, just change "feisty" to "gutsy"11:22
pwnt-apparntly I got w32codecs now, and try to run a .wmv file and it didn't work :(11:22
spr0k3tcrdlb: but why not use the repos?11:22
crdlbso sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/gutsy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list11:22
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crdlbspr0k3t, eh?11:22
spr0k3t`sudo apt-cach search ubuntu-restricted-extras11:23
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savvas`bdayanyway, i'm out :)11:23
spr0k3twavies savvas`bday11:23
spr0k3tand I'm guessing happy b-day11:23
crdlbno idea, I'm just pointing out that it exists ;)11:23
cosmo_ I am trying to get my xorg configured on gutsy, but I cant get the ubuntu forums to load to find instructions, I have 2 monitors, the primary is a acer al2016w lcd and the secondary is a optiquest q71 crt,and my video card is a nvidia 7950 I am trying to get it set up in twinview can anyone help?11:23
pwnt-do I need a reboot or something after installing w32codecs? cause the file .wmv isn't working11:24
spr0k3tcosmo_: gksu nvidia-settings11:24
d1n0can i update from xubuntu 7.04 to 7.10 beta without burning a new cd?11:24
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aLeSDhi all11:24
aLeSDhow to install acrobat reader ? I can't find it in the repository11:24
spr0k3td1n0: yup... update-manager -d -c11:24
d1n0spr0k3t: ok cool11:24
d1n0thx11:24
spr0k3tn/p11:25
cosmo_spr0k3t: thank you11:25
spr0k3tcosmo_: make sure you disable xinerama, then configure one of the monitors to use twinview11:26
spr0k3tcosmo_: oh yeah, make sure you backup your /etc/X11/xorg.conf just in case.11:26
cosmo_spr0k3t: already did that, learned to always backup from installing fiesty  =)11:26
spr0k3t=)11:26
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spr0k3tcosmo_: once you have that changed, do a Save to X Configuration File and restart X11:27
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pwnt-still having problems accessing .wmv files. I got my w32codecs installed. can someone help please11:28
sbucatinopwnt-: :D what's the problem :D11:28
spr0k3tpwnt-: is the wmv file a DRM locked file?11:28
FOADHey, the new gutsy kernel 2.6.22-14-386 causes my box to spew "Bad block number requested" messages when trying to boot, and then everything more or less crashes.11:28
pwnt-spr0k3t: no its not locked11:28
FOADThis doesnhappen with 2.6.2011:29
pwnt-sbucatino: giving me error sec I'll show you.11:29
FOADdoesn't11:29
FOADAnything known about this?11:29
spr0k3tFOAD: first I've seen that.  have you checked the answers over at launchpad.net?11:29
FOADNo, I'm stuck without X too, haven't yet had the time to try links or _and_ remember the url...11:30
sbucatinopwnt-: have yu installed this pack ?  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extra11:30
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pwnt-ok now its working, but the Picture is weird. i'll show you11:30
spr0k3tFOAD: nothing there that I can see on a quick search.11:31
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pwnt-http://shell.lomag.net/~org/Screenshot-2.png11:31
pwnt-check it out pls11:31
pwnt-btw sbucatino E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-restricted-extra11:32
FOADOk thanks.11:32
spr0k3tpwnt-: looks like WMV to me... in all its glory too (j/k)11:32
sbucatinopwnt-: :D first you must add medibuntu repo11:32
FOADAny suggestions on what to do?  Other than report it..11:33
spr0k3tpwnt-: have you tried in totem and mplayer?11:33
sbucatinopwnt-: then you must install ubuntu-restricted-exstra11:33
sbucatinopwnt-: then you must install ubuntu-restricted-extra11:33
pwnt-sbucatino: Okay but its not in the repos.11:33
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pwnt-sbucatino: I added medibuntu repo :( I know i did11:33
spr0k3tFOAD: it's something I've never run across myself.11:33
pwnt-spr0k3t: yep tried, in totem it gives error. doesn't even play11:33
spr0k3tpwnt-: how big is the file?11:34
FOADOkay.11:34
FOADThanks.11:34
sbucatinopwnt-: untill you have not ubuntu-restricted-exstra you will have problem with that wmv11:34
pwnt-spr0k3t: only 2mb11:34
spr0k3t@gmail.com <-- send it there and I'll test it on the systems I have.11:34
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pwnt-sbucatino: can you give me the command line of repo I need to add & apt-get update & to make me able to get ubuntu-restricted-extra ?11:34
spr0k3tpwnt-: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extra11:35
sbucatinospr0k3t: :D no he know that i has not all repo activeted11:35
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murlidharany picture recovery(undelete) tool ?? my wallpaper is deleted11:35
pwnt-spr0k3t & sbucatino , http://pastebin.com/m5e0743ad11:35
ugamurlidhar: photorec is nice, but it will recover ALL pictures removed in the past11:36
sbucatinopwnt-: sorry i remember fof feisty i have not ubuntu-restricted11:36
sbucatinoin gutsy11:37
spr0k3tpwnt-: you forgot the s on extras11:37
sbucatinopwnt-: plz upload that video on www.mediafire.com and i will see it11:37
ugamurlidhar: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec11:37
murlidharuga is it in repos?11:37
ugamurlidhar: i don't think so, but it doesn't require installing11:37
pwnt-okay11:37
pwnt-spr0k3t: how do i install the extras, give me the repo first :P11:37
ugamurlidhar: just uncompress11:37
ugamurlidhar: it's a tool that lets you scan whole disks (usually CF/SD and similar), and looks for pictures deleted in the past.11:38
sbucatinopwnt-: i dont want say something of wrong but i think ubuntu-restricted-extra is not on gutys repo11:38
spr0k3tpwnt-: do you have the multiverse and universe enabled in your repos?11:38
murlidharuga: thanks i am trying it11:39
pwnt-bah ok11:39
pwnt-spr0k3t: I dunno, I rlly i am not that good in my repo list.11:39
spr0k3tsbucatino: extras, it needs an s11:39
pwnt-ah wait11:39
spr0k3tpwnt-: open synaptic package manager, MENU: settings / repositories, first four checks on the first tab.11:40
pwnt-http://pastebin.com/m63942e9511:40
pwnt-I think i have it installed? check11:40
pwnt-and the file is here11:40
pwnt-http://www.mediafire.com/upload_complete.php?id=c5mgvwmw5hg11:40
ugamurlidhar: oh, it _is_ in the repos11:40
ugamurlidhar: apt-get install testdisk11:40
ugait includes both testdisk and photorec11:40
sbucatinopwnt-: no you must give me the right url11:41
pwnt-http://www.mediafire.com/?31jbtemjmuu11:41
pwnt-here11:41
sbucatinopwnt-: yes11:41
murlidharuga: i am looking11:41
pwnt-sbucatino: btw i have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed11:41
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wolfalfahello guys, i just tried to upgrade to gutsy (beta) and X won't start: failed to load module fglrx (module requirement mismatch)11:42
sbucatinopwnt-: -.- its a porn movie11:43
sbucatino-.-11:43
wolfalfalaptop: inspiron 6400, atiX140011:43
pwnt-yea sry. It's not about that tho. its just the only wmv i found, and i want to be able to run wmv files.11:43
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spr0k3tpwnt-: looks the same on gutsy and feisty.  do you know if it works on that other sorry excuse for an operating system?11:43
pwnt-spr0k3t: yea I had fiesty and worked on it...11:44
spr0k3t32bit or 64bit?11:44
pwnt-what? My vga?11:44
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jheronimusHi, all11:45
pwnt-hey11:45
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murlidharuga: ain't any gui tool to recovering?11:46
sbucatinopwnt-: the movie is corrupted11:46
sbucatinopwnt-: i can see my wmv :D11:47
pwnt-sbucatino: ok11:47
pwnt-sbucatino: so you saw the same as my screenshot?11:47
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spr0k3tpwnt-: looked the same here...11:47
pwnt-okay11:48
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jheronimusI've got a problem here. I was trying to set my ALC268 soundcard properly and I've found a corresponding article on the wiki. One of the options there was to install an updated version of kernel modules, which I did. But I didn't notice that it was i386, not amd64 and the system has installed it happily. And now here comes an update for this package and I guess, there are some problems with the architecture on my system11:49
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FOADOkay, I moved back to an older kernel, but now X won't start, I guess because of the nvidia driver being matched with the current kernel.  How do I roll the nvidia driver back?11:50
pwnt-FOAD: just curious why did you move back to older kernel?11:51
spr0k3tFOAD: did you use the nvidia-glx-new package in the repos, or did you install from binary off the nvidia site?11:51
FOADpwnt_: because of what I said above, with the new one it keeps spewing about Bad block numbers and won't boot.11:51
FOADThe package from the repos.11:51
FOADpwnt-: and apparently I am the only one in the world with that bad block thing, so it's not likely to be fixed (soon) I reckon.11:52
spr0k3tFOAD: odd, you may need to remove --purge and reinstall the package11:52
FOADok..11:52
ugamurlidhar: not that I know11:54
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ugamurlidhar: but ncurses apps aren't hard to use. =)11:54
ugajust execute it11:54
uga(under sudo, if you want hdd to appear)11:54
murlidharuga: yeah i figured it out11:57
murlidharuga: myself :)11:57
ugamurlidhar: be careful though with this tool, it will put ALL pictures it finds in the disk, into the folder you specify11:57
ugathat will mean lots of gigs possibly11:57
murlidharuga: did that11:57
murlidharuga: can i interrupt it?11:58
ugapossibly ctrl+c will do11:58
ugadoesn't it show an option to stop?11:58
ugaelse killall -9 photorec11:58
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murlidharuga: it made a lot of directories and i can't access through my file explorer12:00
ugamurlidhar: you can't because they were created with root permissions12:01
ugachown -R murlidhar directoryname12:01
ugaor kdesu konqueror/dolphin12:01
ugabut it's best not to run gui apps under root permissions12:02
murlidharme using gutsy ubuntu12:02
ugathen kdesu dolphin12:02
ugabut I don't suggest it...12:02
ugamurlidhar: oh, sorry, ubuntu, not kubuntu...12:02
ugawell, then gksu gcrapfilemanager ;)12:02
ugawhatever you use12:02
murlidharchecking'12:04
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murlidharuga: it recovered a lot of txt files and few pictures . how can i make search only for pictures12:10
ugamurlidhar: it doesn't recover txt files, in theory12:10
ugamurlidhar: just pictures and movies12:11
ugayou run photorec, right?12:11
murlidharuga: it did recover more that 400012:11
ugait searches for picture headers etc12:11
murlidharyes12:11
ugaignores the filesystem completely12:11
ugamurlidhar: maybe the .txt file is some logfile or so12:11
murlidhari ran photorec12:11
ugathen they all must be pictures and/or movies12:12
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HetaUmaare the main repos down?12:14
magooi dont know i was having problems earlier12:14
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darkzeromorning all12:19
darkzeroAnyone here us miro?12:19
ugaHetaUma: archive.ubuntu works fine here, maybe dns issues in your side?12:20
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darkzeroanyone?12:21
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avatar_ubuntu.com gives some troubles here (netherlands)12:23
lukkettoIn Italy too!12:24
lukkettowhat's up?12:24
sbucatino;D12:24
lukkettonow it works!12:25
sbucatinoa lucche che problemi hai12:25
sbucatinoxD12:25
lukkettoubuntu.com non era raggiungibile...12:25
lukketto...ora per funge ;)12:25
sbucatinosi anche quello ita era fuori uso12:26
lukketto...mmh...sar stato il gibbone ;)12:26
sbucatinomboo12:26
darkzeroAnyone who install Miro and during loading, will crash or shutdown in  Miro Guide12:27
sbucatinolukketto:  che stanno facendo delle modifiche per i link le guide un casino quando si cambia versione12:27
jussi01!it | sbucatino12:27
ubotusbucatino: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!12:27
sbucatinojussi01: ok was a bit now english12:27
jussi01:)12:28
sbucatino!ot12:28
ubotu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!12:28
sbucatino:D12:28
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pere_Yep people, good morning12:32
pere_I've a problem with my alc262 sound chip in gutsy12:32
pere_I've posted a bug in launchpad12:32
pere_is the correct procedure?12:33
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howlingmadhowiehi everybody :)12:33
howlingmadhowiehas anybody here had a problem with blender while using gutsy?12:34
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sbucatinopere_: have you a realtek?12:37
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sbucatinopere_: if you have realtek maybe use the driver for realtek (based on alsa driver but patched)  ftp://209.216.61.149/pc/audio/realtek-linux-audiopack-4.07a.tar.bz2 to install just  decompress the file open the terminal and sudo ./install12:40
pere_is a realtek12:41
pere_sbucatino, In oss driver says realtek in alsa says intel-hda12:41
sbucatinopere_: so if it is a realtek try that driver because it's an alsa driver 1.0.15 rc3  but it is patched :D12:41
sbucatinopere_: alsamixer what it say12:42
sbucatinopere_: terminal : alsamixer12:42
sbucatinoit say what you need12:42
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sbucatinopere_: for my alc861-vd that driver has worked but i have read the README file and your chip is supported12:43
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sbucatinoso i think if i was you i will try to install that driver12:43
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pere_sbucatino, alsamixer says realtek alc26212:45
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pere_ok12:46
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sbucatinopere_: i am going out in 20 minuts i wll be back, let me know if you have any problem12:48
pere_thanks a lot sbucatino  :)12:49
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thewrinklyninjaHi, I am unable to upgrade to gutsy from the upgrader.It keeps crashing out my error log is here.http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40515/ anyone help?12:56
soul9dbus isn't running and update-manager needs that for some reason.12:58
thewrinklyninjaHow do I start it?12:59
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cahehi01:00
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cahenice work guys - gusty works like magic ;] 01:00
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thewrinklyninjaanyone know how to start dbus?01:03
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cahehmm01:05
caheguessing - /etc/init.d/dbus start01:06
caheas root?01:06
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thewrinklyninjastill not upgrading with dbus started. its always been on but still reports dbus error01:10
assasukassehi everyone01:10
assasukassewhat is the difference between feisty and gutsy?01:10
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cosmo_about 6 months  =P01:11
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gunashekarhmm01:12
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cosmo_gutsy has a lot of upgrades from fiesty its a rather long list01:12
sbucatinopere_: have you installed ?01:13
cosmo_yes01:13
gunashekarsure is01:13
gunashekarand there will be more updates01:13
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gunashekarneed help on making the sound work in gutsy01:15
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gunashekarubotu are you there?01:17
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about are you there? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:17
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boris__ubotu rv35001:18
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about rv350 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:18
boris__hi every101:18
boris__i need some help pls01:18
gunashekarubotu: where can i find information on installing HDA intel card and CONEXANT Audio device on gutsy?01:19
hypn0could someone do me a favour and check the keyboard preferences to see if microsoft wired 500 keyboard is in list of supported keyboard01:19
boris__i got ati radeon rv350 (Radeon9550)    which is blaclisted but i still want compiz fusion01:19
pere_sbucatino, yes but nothing happened01:19
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boris__blacklisted*01:20
sbucatinopere_: mm ok now setting :D01:20
boris__what drivers do i have to install ?01:20
sbucatinopere_: have you done only sudo ./install ? right?01:20
pere_sbucatino, yes01:21
sbucatinopere_: well have you laptop ?01:22
pere_sbucatino, but amixer is not installed01:22
pere_sbucatino, yes I've a sony vaio01:22
sbucatinopere_: just a second now alsamixer doest say nothing because your card is not installed ?01:23
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sbucatinopere_: or the card is not installed and so you cannot use alsamixer01:23
pere_sbucatino, amixer says:amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device01:24
giorgo1hi guys. One question. Has somthing be changed for an nfs moutning? I canot establish a nfs conection anymore with kubuntu 7.10?01:24
sbucatinopere_: mmm ok you must try this01:24
sbucatinopere_: just a second i must find the file01:25
pere_sbucatino, no problem01:25
giorgo1i try it with: sudo mount -t nfs ipadress:/mnt/folder /mnt/folder01:25
sbucatinopere_: try this and post what it says01:26
sbucatinopere_: cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec01:26
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giorgo1i receive the message: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock...etc01:27
sbucatinopere_: are you here ?01:27
pere_sbucatino, Codec: Realtek ALC26201:27
pere_Codec: Conexant ID 2c0601:27
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Moduliz0rIs there any software for handling finger print readers?01:27
sbucatinopere_:mm ok01:27
sbucatinopere_: you have not realtek01:28
sbucatinobut conexant01:28
sbucatinochip01:28
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pere_sbucatino, but it says realtek01:28
chillervalleyoh hi01:28
chillervalleyhi anyone familar with Gutsy gibson and compiz? its not starting with my nvidia graphics card ... if i do "compiz --replace" it shows error: "/usr/bin/compiz.real (video) - Warn: No 8 bit GLX pixmap format, disabling YV12 image format"01:28
chillervalleyand i cant open the compiz-settings-manager01:28
sbucatinopere_: mm you can try to do something but i think it will not work01:29
sbucatinopere_: sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base01:29
Moduliz0rchillervalley: Do you have the nVidia restricted drivers?01:29
chillervalleyyeah01:29
Moduliz0roh01:29
Moduliz0ri don't know then >_>01:29
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chillervalleylol okay :D01:29
pere_sbucatino, and?01:29
boris__im getting the composite extension is not available error01:29
sbucatinopere_: add this: options snd-hda-intel model=auto01:29
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sbucatinopere_: you can add at the end of the file01:30
sbucatino!paste01:30
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)01:30
pere_sbucatino, and then?01:30
pere_sbucatino, trying modprobe?01:30
sbucatinopere_: after this restart modprobe not matter01:31
sbucatinoenv must load the service01:31
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pere_sbucatino, ok I try now, thanks for your help01:31
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pere_sbucatino, :)01:32
sbucatinopere_: come back here01:32
pere_sbucatino, ok01:32
neztitiFATAL: Module adv717x not found.01:32
sbucatinopere_: just second01:32
Moduliz0rAnyone know how i can get a biometric reader recognised and used in Ubuntu?01:32
neztitiany help01:32
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_6StringKng_hwo would I go about upgrading to gusty?  from 7.0401:32
giorgo1no one can help me?01:32
sbucatinopere_: if it doesnt work try to change auto with this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40519/01:32
neztitiFATAL: Module adv717x not found.01:32
neztitiFATAL: Error running install command for em830001:32
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sbucatinopere_:  for example options snd-hda-intel model=basic01:33
pere_sbucatino, I'll grab the url01:33
pere_sbucatino, thanks01:33
sbucatinopere_:  ok good luck01:33
_6StringKng_hwo would I go about upgrading to gusty?  from 7.0401:33
neztitiany help with dxr3 card with gustyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy01:34
GNUtoo-laptophello, is there a ubuntu-java channel?01:35
neztitiFATAL: Module adv717x not found.01:35
chillervalleyso noone has an idea on that?01:37
Moduliz0rWhat do I need to compile some source code?01:37
giorgo1i have investigate that nfs-common needet to be istalled. Buto now the conection will be failt regards "time out". The courios is that on vesion 7.04 i dont used nfs-commont and the connectin to my NAS file was successfully. Successfully. Something has been changed. Can please some one help me ? Please01:37
stefg!pleae | giorgo101:39
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about pleae - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:39
stefg!please | giorgo101:39
ubotugiorgo1: Avoid your questions being followed by a trail of "Please, help me", "Can nobody help me?", "I really need this!", and so on. This just contributes to making the channel unreadable. If you are not answered, ask again later; but see also !repeat and !patience01:39
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Moduliz0rwhat programs do I need to compile source code?01:40
albert23Moduliz0r: you will most likely need build-essential as a minimum01:40
Moduliz0rOk I'll try installing that01:41
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Moduliz0rwhy does it suddenly need my CD?01:41
albert23because it will try to install the package from your CD01:41
Moduliz0r>_> ok01:42
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Moduliz0rwhat if i dont have the cd?01:42
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albert23disable the CD in Software Sources01:43
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Moduliz0rsudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) <- is that the right way to get them?01:44
giorgo1ok ubotu: sorry i will do it. Thanks01:45
Moduliz0rconfigure: error: cannot find required header: security/_pam_macros.h <- ???01:46
albert23Moduliz0r: if you are using a desktop, I would install packages using Synaptic01:46
Moduliz0rbut apt-get is so much more cool01:46
Moduliz0ri dont have to leave the terminal to do it01:46
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GNUtoo-laptopdoes sun's java implementation export the jardir variable?(i don't want to make a useless bugreport)01:46
Moduliz0rHow do I install those headers?01:48
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albert23Moduliz0r: I think normally you would use back-ticks to do it, so  linux-headers-`(uname -r)`01:49
Moduliz0ralbert23: apparently I already have the Linux headers01:49
Moduliz0rbut I need the stuff that security/_pam_macros.h is in somewhere01:49
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albert23Moduliz0r: you can try to install libpam0g-dev. The -dev libs will normally give you these .h files01:52
Moduliz0rok01:53
Moduliz0ryay thanks01:53
Moduliz0rbut now...01:53
Moduliz0rconfigure: error: cannot find required header: bioapi.h01:53
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Moduliz0rbioapi.h? Where do I get that01:58
Meroigo_If I update my Ubuntu 7.04 to 7.10 Release Candidate, will I get the 100% final 7.10 through update manager when it's released for real in 5 days?01:59
albert23it doesn't seem to be in a Ubuntu provided package. You would be able to find the package on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ if it was.01:59
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KenSentMeMeroigo_, yes you do. If the final packages are in the repositories, the update manager will update them and you have the final version of ubuntu02:02
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tony_ Does anyone know how to fix the "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000" error?02:03
Meroigo_KenSentMe > okay nice. so I have really nothing to lose by upgrading now?02:04
Meroigo_some very annoying bugs still floting around?02:05
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KenSentMeMeroigo_, well, there can be bugs because it's not final. But if everything goes well they are solved when final is released02:05
KenSentMeAnd i wouldn't expect any major bugs anymore02:06
Meroigo_okay...02:07
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Meroigo_I'm thinking about upgrading now... :D but it would be so boring if something were to break :( is there a tool for like restoring a system to it previous state, like you can do in windows XP?02:08
Meroigo_(easily)02:08
FallenHitokiriMeroigo_: dd02:08
Meroigo_dd?02:08
FallenHitokiriMeroigo_: dd02:09
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HobbseeMeroigo_: not really02:16
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savvas`bdayMeroigo_: you could install irssi and join from the console in irc and get help, just get familiar with the program02:18
nomasteryodasee, all is well.. the initramfs bug was fixed... good02:18
Hobbseesavvas`bday: yeah, but we dont even want to attempt to downgrade a version, without reinstalling it.02:19
chillervalleyaie irssi rocks02:20
Moduliz0rsavvas: It's your birthday?02:20
chillervalleybut can anyone help me with my compiz problem? ;_;02:20
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nanbudhi was planning to install postgresql on my 6.06, but i plan to dowload 7.10 right at the first moment..i was wondering whether 7.10 will have all the latest things preinstalled?like postgresql02:23
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peresbucatino, ALL WORKING GREAT!02:23
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sbucatinopere: :D02:23
MrSteinAre DVDs an official release uf gutsy ?02:23
peresbucatino, where I can post the solution for other people haveing troubles can do the same?02:24
chillervalleycan anyone tell me why compiz-settings-manager don't start? and compiz doesn't too02:24
sbucatinopere: in the forum :D  http://ubuntuforums.org/02:24
sbucatinopere: if you are not registred i can post for you02:25
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peresbucatino, ok thanks. I'll post it now.02:25
sbucatinopere: remember every time you upgrade you must do that02:25
peresbucatino, thanks for the help and see you later.02:25
peresbucatino, ok02:25
sbucatinopere: ok :D02:25
HobbseeMrStein: they will be, yes02:27
addosis RC1 still unoptimized?02:27
Hobbseedefine optimized?02:27
Hobbseeer, unoptimized?02:27
addoswell, sound stutters a lot with rc102:27
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addosand apps seem to take awhile to load, compared to feisty02:28
nanbudhwhat will be system requirements for 7.10?02:28
addoswhen I say unoptimized, I mean, is there still debugging code compiled into the apps and kernel?02:28
MrSteinHobbsee: if one searches for "gutsy" on google, he will land on a download page that lists _only_ dvd images. IF one follows the link in the topic of this chanel, he will find _only_ CD images. Seems as if the left hand does not know what the right is doing.02:29
nanbudhandhow much installation space will it require?02:29
HobbseeMrStein: cant really help what google says.02:29
HobbseeMrStein: and the topic says what it does, because no one's asked where the DVDs are yet.02:30
MrSteinHobbsee: you cant blame google for the ubuntu release schedule document  ;-)02:30
Hobbseeit appears the new topic doesnt even have a reference to the cds02:30
HobbseeMrStein: they were accurate.  *shrug*02:30
Hobbseethey've been accurate up till tribe 5 or so, iirc.02:31
chillervalleyokay guys i got it02:32
chillervalley"compiz --replace gconf" works!02:32
MrSteinHobbsee: actually the topic points to the release schedule doc (I didn't notice that before). So if someone folow the relealse schedule, he will find dvd only images, if the utjer link , then cd only. Why this divide ?02:32
MrSteinutjer=other02:32
neztitiLoading of player part 'XinePart' failed.02:32
neztitiany help02:32
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HobbseeMrStein: i fixed that weeks ago.02:33
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MrSteinHobbsee: fixed what ?02:33
HobbseeMrStein: so, if the person actually reads the release schedule, they'll find the one they want.02:33
Hobbsee [WWW]  Release Candidate (DVD images) [WWW]  Release Canidate (CD images)02:33
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MrStein_I_ fixed that yesterday ;-)02:33
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Hobbseeoh, maybe i only did teh beta.02:34
Hobbseefair enough.  it's fixed, then.02:34
MrSteinHobbsee: no , wait. Are talking about the rel schedule ?02:34
Hobbseeyes02:34
chillervalleyokay! but how can i do that on startup?02:34
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john_wat I just update to kernel 2.6.23,but no linux-restricted-module for the kernel ,how to use 3D effects ?02:34
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:Hobbsee] : Home of the Gutsy Gibbon" | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | This channel is for Gutsy discussion only | If you need help with dapper/edgy/feisty join #ubuntu | Remember Gutsy still has bugs, so please file them as you find them | Gutsy release candidate has been released | see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/RC to test
Hobbseejohn_wat: install the restricted modules, then.02:35
MrSteinHobbsee: hmm, the beta link still links only to dvd images. Besides, I repeat, why is one server having dvd only images, and the other cd only ? Who manages this ?02:35
HobbseeMrStein: space reasons.02:35
john_watno restricted fit for 2.6.23....02:35
Hobbseejohn_wat: there is.  do you even have restricted enabled?02:35
Hobbseein your sources list?02:35
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john_watyes,i only apt-get the 2.6.22-14 restricted modules02:36
Hobbseeoh grr, who reverted my changes?02:36
MrSteinHobbsee: adding a link doesn't take that much space ;-)02:36
john_watbut no more than that version02:36
HobbseeMrStein: yeah, well.  there's a bug open about that02:36
HobbseeMrStein: oh, bloody people who revert changes from the release team.02:37
chillervalleyhow can i do it so ubuntu will do "compiz --replace gconf" on startup???02:37
MrSteinchillervalley: boot script ?02:37
john_watHow to update restricted-module to fit for kernel 2.6.23?02:38
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Hobbseeuh oh.  too many reverts.  /me fixes02:38
MementoMorihi all02:38
MrSteinreally, ubuntu must get their act together. With "little issues" like this _all over_ the place... you won't get far. Except in the MS way maybe.02:39
MementoMoridoes anyone have a working bcm4312 wireless chipset in gutsy?02:39
Hobbseethanks for volunteering to help02:39
hyljelittle issues are fine for the initial release, they'll get squashed over time02:39
MrSteinHobbsee: oh ,accurate bug reorts are not enough ? What do you want. Blood ?02:39
MrSteinreports02:40
HobbseeMrStein: fixing them would be nice too, and/or working on teh wiki.02:40
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MrSteinI reported a few one liners in the last year. First the maintainer bugged about not sending a patch (for a few changed characters). Then when I sent it, they refused to accpet it. That is not really encouraging.02:41
Hobbseeand it all boils down to one developer, of course.02:42
MrSteinit was just an example. This happens all over the place.02:42
Hobbseeso, fix it.02:43
MrSteinGoing to extremes, when they claim that "bad" is actually "good"02:43
MrSteinhow ? Can I "fire" a developer and replace him ?02:43
MrSteinor send him an "ego remover" ? :-)02:43
Hobbseeyou can become another developer.  no need to remove the first.02:43
MrSteinIS Canonical hiring ?02:44
Hobbseedo you need to be hired?02:44
Hobbseemost of the people who work on ubuntu *arent* paid to do it.02:44
MrSteinI just asked.02:44
Hobbseeto answer your question, yes they are.02:45
john_wat I just update to kernel 2.6.23,but no linux-restricted-module for the kernel ,how to use 3D effects ?02:45
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Hobbseejohn_wat: which mirror?02:45
Nukeadorhi there02:45
john_watmirror?02:46
MrSteinHobbsee: is there a channel about working for Canonical ? (it is a bit off topic here)02:46
john_watwhat mirror?02:46
HobbseeMrStein: ubuntu.com/employment.02:46
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NukeadorIs it normal that file roller overwrites files without asking when you drag & drop the files?02:46
MrStein10x02:46
HobbseeMrStein: but, to do MOTU stuff, you dont get paid to.  this is open source.02:46
john_watkernel 2.6.23 download from kernel.org02:46
d1n0Im having problems installings radeonhd drivers.... can anyone help?02:46
john_watapt source is ubuntu.com02:47
Hobbseejohn_wat: if you downloaded the kernel and compiled that, you're on your own.02:47
HobbseeMrStein: they only hire really good people for specific stuff.  no idea if you're interested in that stuff or not02:48
john_watyes...but is there some way to use 3d effects on new kernel?02:48
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sbucatinograzie: prego02:49
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graziesbucatino: what did I do?02:49
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sbucatinograzie: nothing but :D02:49
sbucatinograzie: where do youi came from02:50
graziesbucatino: uk02:50
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sbucatinograzie: your nick is italian nick :D02:50
bretzelWow! how comes KDE3.5.8 not yet announced and already installed/updated on my comp. ...02:50
Hobbseebretzel: because we needed it in before the freeze.02:50
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sbucatinograzie:  your nick mean thank you02:51
sbucatinolol02:51
bretzelCool for me then :-) 8-)02:51
NukeadorIs it normal that file roller overwrites files without asking when you drag & drop the files? Should I report this at launchpad as a bug?02:51
d1n0Im having problems installings radeonhd drivers.... can anyone help?02:51
bretzelEven KDevelop is 3.5.0 !!!  And btw, first of all thank you Ubuntu guys for this almost total working 7.10 RC!! wonderfull02:52
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nomasteryodayou should be able to just select Desktop Effects under the System menu02:53
nomasteryodaoops02:54
nomasteryodadang scrollback02:54
john_watCan't open the effects02:54
john_watin 7.10 rc ,effects can work02:54
john_watbut in kernel 2.6.23, no resteicted-modules ,effects can't open02:55
bretzelAnd talking about Desktop effect it is great, but how Can I adjust settings like refresh rate and vsync etc ... ? no gui for that yet ( I mean installed by default ) ?02:55
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john_watsudo apt-get install compizconfig-setting-manager02:56
john_watyou can see it in synatic02:57
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Hobbseewhile making whatever necessary changes are needed.02:57
bretzelgood thank you john_watI couldn't remeber the pkg name...02:57
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john_watrestricted-module is not from kernel.org02:57
Hobbseejohn_wat: oh wait.  2.6.23?  well of course there arent.02:57
sleepynateHobbsee: ... it's not working...02:57
john_watit from apt-source02:58
john_watyes,the lastest kernel version02:58
Hobbseeno, but it's for a different kernel, and if you insist on using a later kernel, you'll probably need to compile each driver you want by hand.02:58
sleepynatememories...02:58
Hobbseefor which you cant get support for here.02:58
john_watyes ,i compile it each driver02:58
john_wati have compile ti02:59
sleepynateHobbsee: unless he brought beer and pizza02:59
Hobbseesleepynate: not even then.02:59
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sleepynatedamn.02:59
john_wati have in 2.6.2302:59
Hobbseesleepynate: we dont do support on compiling your own kernel, or anything related to it02:59
john_watbut only can't open 3d effects02:59
Hobbseesleepynate: because those who do so are expected to know what they're doing :)03:00
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bretzelokay I am done here - again - thank you Ubuntu dev guys, I am really impressed, Ubuntu RC is already far more superior than Mandriva + OpenSuSE all together !03:00
sleepynateHobbsee: yes, but everyone knows the classic way to get a buddy's help when you're supposed to have known what you're doing but didn't and screwed it up is -- beer and pizza :D03:00
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Hobbseesleepynate: haha, i'm not that silly :)03:01
junkeRhey I installed Xubuntu 7.10 Gutsy last night and when I open a music file using totem, it automatically sets itself to "always on top"03:01
junkeRcan I disable that somehow?03:01
sleepynateyes03:02
bretzelI am only cold about the terminal console text setup -- too much wide-char setup, bring down all goodies about graph and attributes... still not agree with your too much internaltional setup03:02
junkeRwhen I disable "always on top", close totem, then open another music file, it's set back to "always on top"03:03
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john_wat I just update to kernel 2.6.23,but no linux-restricted-module for the kernel ,how to use 3D effects ?Who can help me....03:09
john_watpainful...03:10
Ximalhappy birthday savvas !03:14
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Hobbseejohn_wat: i thought you got told that you wouldnt get support here...03:20
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john_wat......03:20
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Gunner_SrHas the VGA setting changed in gutsy?03:33
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sleepynateno, but do you have an nvidia card and problems with x?03:33
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[yodaa_bel] Hi, I have an intel945 and a laptop, can't get the correct resolution with gutsy...03:34
Gunner_SrWith Feisty I had the splash screen, did an upgrade and now no splash. Also the resolution has reset in the console03:34
[yodaa_bel] any pointers ?03:34
jsubl2if i enable normal visual effects my desktop seems unstable.  i have an nvidia card03:34
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Gunner_Srsleepynate: what is a safe VGA setting that also gives me the splash screen?03:37
sleepynateGunner_Sr: you'll have to play with it. it really depends on your hardware03:37
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Gunner_Srsleepynate: humm, okay. thanks.03:38
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Moduliz01Ubuntu has crashed on me twice now >_>03:38
sleepynatebut if you screw it up, you'll have to fix xorg.conf by hand :)03:38
Moduliz01all of a sudden all my input devices stop working03:38
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pdelgallegohit, is there any ubuntu guide for 7.10?03:38
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sleepynateModuliz01: you using the Gutsy RC beta?03:38
Moduliz01yes03:38
sleepynateModuliz01: that's why! :D03:38
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Moduliz01Why does it do it?03:39
Gunner_Srsleepynate: okay, but I just use the 7xx numbers right not hex?03:39
sleepynateModuliz01: 'cause it's untested software. so there's still bugs :)03:39
nemikModuliz01: try to find that out. check your kernel logs, Xorg logs, etc. is it reproducable?03:39
Moduliz01it seems to be random03:39
Moduliz01everything still works, but I can click anywhere and it is like there's a glass window over my desktop03:39
sleepynateModuliz01: heh, you using compiz? :D03:39
Moduliz01yes.03:39
sleepynatehahaha03:39
nemiklol03:40
Moduliz01Shall I disable it?03:40
sleepynatethat's probably why :)03:40
sleepynatewould probably help :)03:40
Moduliz01done03:40
Moduliz01when it happens i cant do anything03:40
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Moduliz01i mean03:40
pdelgallegohow can i install w32codecs in 7.10? apt-get dont find any candidate?03:40
sleepynatesee if it crashes as much now03:40
Moduliz01i can't ctrl+alt+backspace out of it03:40
Moduliz01and I can't ctrl+alt+f1 or anything out either03:40
nemikhmmm strange03:41
Hobbsee!codecs | pdelgallego03:41
ubotupdelgallego: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats03:41
rulusHi, my computer boots incredibly slow, except when I press ctrl+alt+f1 at boot. Also usplash does not work. Is there a link?03:41
Moduliz01but everything is still working03:41
sleepynateModuliz01: yea, sounds like it's totally locking X03:41
Moduliz01my media is still playing, Pidgin is still logging in03:41
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sleepynateModuliz01: probably compiz's fault03:41
Moduliz01but mouse/keyboard become useless03:41
Moduliz01:|03:41
Moduliz01k03:41
sleepynateerr wait03:41
sleepynatestuff happens on the screen? but your inputs don't work?03:41
Moduliz01Yeh03:41
sleepynateohhhhh03:41
Moduliz01I can move the mouse, but clicking is useless03:41
sleepynatethat is wacky03:42
nemikyea03:42
Moduliz01it's twice now:|03:42
Moduliz01and i had downloads running :03:42
sleepynatemalicious host? :D03:42
Moduliz01:(03:42
Moduliz01VMware actually03:42
sleepynatehmm, you're running gutsy in vmware?03:42
Moduliz01no03:42
sleepynateoh03:42
Moduliz01i was downloading vmware03:42
nemikoh. press ctrl+alt to escape vmware03:43
sleepynateright03:43
Moduliz01now i have to start it again03:43
Moduliz01hmm03:44
Moduliz01it did do it right as i started Pidgin03:44
sleepynateprobably a coincidence... something like pidgin has little to do with what devices can give stdi/o03:45
Moduliz01ok03:45
Moduliz01this might help... i was copying a CD to a disc image03:45
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sleepynatebeyond me03:45
Moduliz01it had appeared to stop at 100%03:46
Moduliz01which was why I started Pidgin03:46
Moduliz01to come here ^_^03:46
sleepynateohhhh03:46
sleepynateinteresting03:46
Moduliz01i cant wait for the final release03:46
sleepynate5 days :P03:46
Moduliz01too long03:46
Moduliz01it's stopped at the end of the disc copy again :|03:47
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Moduliz01anyone here know much about Ubuntu's cd copy?03:48
nosrednaekimModuliz01: do you mean the program that copies CDs?03:49
Moduliz01yes03:49
Moduliz01the one built into ubuntu pretty much03:49
Moduliz01why has it stopped at like 100% :(03:50
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sleepynatenautilus :P03:50
Moduliz01just says Creating Disc Image03:50
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mare2Hello, I have upgraded to RC from 7.04. Can anyone help me resolve my issues ?03:50
Ximalmar2 ... type up your issue ;)03:51
sleepynatemare2: yes... tail /var/log/kernel.org03:51
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ugamare2: just point out the issues, and people might be able to help03:51
Moduliz01it's stopped at 100%, still says creating disc image, but my cd drive keeps making noises, but it's not spun up03:51
ugawe cant' predict future ;)03:51
mare21. my wifi stopped working even if it works from install CD03:52
mare2It uses restricted driver, which is red, dunno what that means03:52
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pvl1 hi, i ugh have been having this problem since like 6.5, device manager barely shows anything about my devices03:53
mare22. my dual core CPU (T7200) is now identified as 1 CPU only03:53
mare23. I cannot see any sound device anymore03:54
nosrednaekimmare2: what is your wireless03:55
mare2ipw394503:56
mare2but restricted drivers says Not in use03:56
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nosrednaekimmare2: can you enable it?03:57
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nosrednaekimin the restrcited-manaher03:58
nosrednaekimand.... is the wireless switch on?03:58
mare2It's enabled03:58
mare2or better it is ticked03:58
spo0nerI'm trying to get the desktop effects to work on a Gutsy upgrade and NVidia card03:59
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spo0nerI know how to do it with ATI (xserver-xgl and stuff) but I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong with Nvidia03:59
pravin1I just upgraded to 7.10 and now my dns times out very frequently. I disabled ipv6 in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases. Firefox works okay (after disabling ipv6) but pidgin doesn't work.03:59
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nosrednaekimspo0ner: #ubuntu-effects03:59
nosrednaekimmare2: is the wireless switch on your computer on?04:00
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spo0nerpravin: have you tried a clean "purple" directory for pidgin?04:00
spo0nermv purple old_purple04:00
spo0nerand then run pidgin04:00
pravin1i ./configured and made it again04:00
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mare2nosrednakim: not sure what do yo mean, it's always switched on04:00
spo0nerin your home directory there should be a folder called "purple"04:00
sampsonhaving issues getting hl2 to work...with wine 0.9.46 it crashes after the intro vid so i downgraded to .43 and now it shows the loading screen but then it crashes out with wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x00000038 at address 0xe9914a1 (thread 0009)04:01
nosrednaekimmare2: ah ok. some laptops have wireless switches04:01
spo0nerthats what I had to do to get mine to work properly04:01
pravin1spo0ner,  even xchat wouldn't connect, until i pinged irc.ubuntu.org from the terminal04:01
sampsonsound is working so it isn't a sound issue because it plays in the intro vid04:01
nosrednaekimmare2: pastebin the output of "iwconfig"04:01
pravin1spo0ner,  i'll try creating a new .purple04:01
spo0nerthat's odd04:01
spo0nerwhat DNS servers are you using?  your own ISP's?04:01
mare2nosrednaekim: I could use Fn+F2 but that has no effect at all04:02
spo0nerthere's nobody answering in ubuntu-effects04:02
mare2nosrednaekim: it's like the driver is not loaded04:02
spo0nercan anyone point me to a good troubleshooting page or forum post?04:02
nosrednaekimmare2: please pastebin the output of "iwconfig"04:02
spo0nerI've been looking for a while now...its driving me nuts =o)04:02
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pravin1spo0ner,  yes my own isp04:02
spo0nerI use opendns.org04:03
nosrednaekimspo0ner: whats happening? no window borders?04:03
pravin1spo0ner, nope. pidgin still timing out04:03
spo0nertry that just to make sure there's not a lag with your ISP's DNS servers04:03
spo0nerplus opendns.org has a lot of safety features04:03
sampsonyou could try using the l3 dns... 4.2.2.1/4.2.2.204:04
pravin1I don't think dns would be an issue. It was working fine. It took 3 hours to upgrade and i was using the internet when 7.10 was being downloaded04:04
pravin1besides, firefox (with ipv6 disabled) works alright04:04
sampsonhave you checked resolv.conf to make sure localhost isn't listed first04:04
pravin1sampson,  localhost isn't listed04:05
sampsonwhen you use nslookup on a domain is it quick?04:06
spo0nerI would try the open DNS just to see what happens04:06
pravin1yep, its very quick04:06
sampsonthen i doubt it's a dns issue04:06
pravin1xchat kept timing out before i opened a terminal and said "ping irc.ubuntu.org"04:07
pravin1just as i did that, xchat connected04:07
sampsonare you on a router?04:07
pravin1yes04:07
sampsoncheck the arp tables04:07
pvl1Device manager does recognize vendors,devices, or statuses04:07
sampsonsounds more like a gateway issue04:07
mare2nosrednaekim: What can be wrong if dmesg does not contain nether Wireless nor ipw04:08
nosrednaekimmare2: please look at "iwconfig"04:08
pravin1er, how do i check the arp tables? but everything worked until i rebooted to 7.1004:09
sampsonhave you rebooted your router since you upgraded04:09
mare2nosrednaekim: iwconfig, no wireless extensions04:09
pravin1no04:09
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sampsontry doing that04:09
pravin1ok04:09
pravin1brb04:09
mare2ok, will try to reboot, bbl04:10
nosrednaekimmare2: ok... trun off your computer, and pull out the battery for like 2 minutes, your wireless might be "off" in the bios/ACPI.04:10
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sampsonfuck!!!04:11
sampsonhl2 doesn't work but hl2dm works04:11
Moduliz01haha04:11
Moduliz01I can get all of them to work04:11
Moduliz01Wine, right?04:11
sampsonyeah i'm using 0.9.43 right now04:11
Moduliz01Cool.04:11
Moduliz01Guys, what sort of framerate would you expect on HL2 under Wine, with a nVidia GeForce 8600 GT (256MB PCI-E)?04:12
sampsonfrom what i've gathered decent enough to be playable04:13
Moduliz01on a Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz machine with 1GB of 800MHz DDR2 ram?04:13
sampsonati x1600s get 6004:13
Moduliz01hmm04:13
Moduliz01in Windows I could get ~120 in Garry's Mod04:13
sampsonwho cares after 6004:13
Moduliz01now it's limited to around... 20-30fps04:13
Moduliz01sometimes 1004:13
Moduliz01:(04:13
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sampsonah that would be a problem04:13
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sampsonthe ram would be your bottle neck...make sure you aren't using too much04:14
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spo0nersorry about that04:14
spo0nersystem locked04:14
sampsonhe's resetting his router04:14
Moduliz01it's crucial ballistix 800MHz stuff, only 1GB... it's not slow or anything04:14
Moduliz01but my framerate hasn't been that great04:14
sampsonit sounded more like a gateway issue considering nothing resolved outside his network without pinging it first04:15
spo0nerwho was helping me before?04:15
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ferric84whenever I try to add a program via "add/remove applications" in 7.10a I receive a "The list of applications is not available" message, at which point it updates itself, and the process continues.  any ideas?04:15
sampsonnosrednaekim was04:15
Bauldricki upgraded my gutsy system and lost my desktop? have tried install kubuntu-desktop but cant get it back :(04:15
nosrednaekimspo0ner: here04:15
spo0nerferric84 what do you have selected under System/Administrative/Software Sources?04:16
IndyGunFreakBauldrick: hope you upgraded04:16
IndyGunFreakexcuse me, backed up04:16
ferric84spo0ner: none of the boxes except the CDROM is checked under "ubuntu software" tab04:16
sampsongah fuck you wine04:16
Moduliz01haha04:17
LjL!language04:17
ubotuPlease watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.04:17
IndyGunFreaksampson: geez, take a paxil04:17
Bauldrickbacking up is for sensible people...... !! Is it royally screwed and need reinstal?04:17
Moduliz01for me, steam runs almost as well in Wine as it did in Windows04:17
spo0neraaaah04:17
sampsonit just makes no sense04:17
IndyGunFreakBauldrick: probably n ot, whats it doing, kicking you to a CLI?04:17
spo0nerferric84  thats your problem04:17
sampsonhow come all the dm hl2 games work fine but none of the sp games!04:17
ferric84excellent, what should I check?04:17
sampsonportal won't launch past the loading screen either04:17
Moduliz01i dont have portal so I wouldn't know04:17
spo0neruncheck the cdrom one and check the others (I use all including universe and multiverse)04:18
sampsonwhich wine version are you using Moduliz0104:18
ferric84ok, thank you04:18
BauldrickIndy> kdm appears to be working but I have no toolbars etc.. have to start everything from cmd box04:18
spo0neronce you select that you will get a ton of update notifications04:18
Moduliz01the latest wine04:18
spo0nerjust go ahead and let apt work its magic04:18
IndyGunFreakBauldrick: now that is wierd, haven't heard that one04:18
Moduliz01hmm, i do have one problem04:18
sampsonBauldrick: have you tried running startkde from the cmd box?04:18
Moduliz01my Steam IMs...04:18
Moduliz01i cant read any that come to me04:18
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Moduliz01or see what I write once I press Send04:18
Seiver`Damrosscan anyone help with a broken LAMP?04:19
Aondoanyone else having performance issues with the -14-rt kernel? i dont seem to get the same performance as earlier builds. not sure why04:19
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pravinnope. still the same issue04:21
spo0nerSeiver  -  superglue always worked best for me04:21
spo0nermy mom still figure out I broke it because of the missing pieces though04:21
pravinThis is what xchat says before I ping -- Connecting to irc.ubuntu.com (1.0.0.0) port 6667...04:21
Moduliz01WTH04:22
Moduliz01garrys mod is running04:22
spo0nerpravin  before upgrading did you use automatix?04:22
Moduliz01i can hear it04:22
Moduliz01but its vanished04:22
pravinno04:22
IndyGunFreakeasyubuntu, envy?04:22
Moduliz01great now Wine has stopped working04:23
scizzo-Seiver`Damross: what is the problem with the broken server?04:24
Seiver`Damrossspoon i get the oddest error04:24
pravinany other suggestions? spo0ner sampson ?04:24
Seiver`Damross i get this error tasksel: aptitude failed (100) when i try to install LAMP04:24
spo0nerhrmmm04:24
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spo0nerdoes this only happen with name resolution?04:24
nosrednaekim!LAMP04:24
ubotuLAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)04:24
spo0neror do you also have the problem when using a direct  IP?04:25
Bauldrickstartkde brings up my desktop for a few seconds then it goes back to splash screen04:25
pravinthis happens in name resolution only with apps like xchat and pidgin04:25
Moduliz01is there any way i can accelerate the graphics on games under Wine?04:25
Seiver`Damrossthat dosent help im looking at right now and there is nothing to do with this error on it04:25
spo0nerSeiver - there are probably some really good IRC channels that deal with LAMP issues specifically04:25
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spo0nerI don't use it enough to know much about it04:26
scizzo-Seiver`Damross: what does: sudo tasksel lamp-server say then?04:26
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spo0nergotta restart X...be back in a few04:26
ugauhm... after digging a bit about why I had two /dev/mouse... 0 and 1,... I find in proc/bus... N: Name="Macintosh mouse button emulation"04:27
ugawhy would anyone want a mac emulated mouse =)04:27
BauldrickI think the latest upgrade I did uninstalled a shed load of dependent packages04:27
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Seiver`Damrossit gives me the installing package and then gose to 100% and i get the tasksel: aptitude failed (100)04:28
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Clericcan anyone help me access my Windows files via Ubuntu laptop hardwired to the local network?04:29
scizzo-Seiver`Damross: hmmm sounds like the package does not exist04:30
nosrednaekim!samba04:31
ubotusamba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT04:31
scizzo-!bug "13113404:31
scizzo-!bug #13113404:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131134 in tasksel "When attempting to install lamp-server, returns "aptitude failed (100)"" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13113404:31
scizzo-it does exist in the tasksel desc though04:33
Seiver`Damrosshow do i get that package04:34
scizzo-Seiver`Damross: well its not really a package04:34
scizzo-Seiver`Damross: its a task04:34
Seiver`DamrossO.odo i have to DL a new server?04:34
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MementoMoriI cant reproduce dvd in kubuntu gutsy with kaffeine: I always get xine: couldn't find demux for dvd:///dev/scd004:35
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guardianhi04:35
MementoMorixine: found input plugin: dvd navigator04:35
guardianhow to upgrade gcc please ? i installed gcc 4.2 on my gutsy but it's not the default compiler yet04:35
MementoMoriI've already installed libdvdcss04:36
MementoMoriand mpgs xine related libs04:36
MementoMoriany hint?04:36
scizzo-Seiver`Damross: hmmm I just tried it04:36
scizzo-Seiver`Damross: seems to work here04:36
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n0ydAny idea how this person accomplished getting his gnome-panel to look like this? http://sourceforge.net/dbimage.php?id=140875   I know he is using a bhackground image, which I have the same one he has, from the mac4lin project on sourceforge, but how do I get _everything_ on the panel to follow that look/theme?  My menu bar, and my sound applet, and sucg don't follow the same look, they stay gray...04:36
Seiver`Damrossim useing 7.0404:37
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scizzo-Seiver`Damross: what?04:37
Seiver`Damrossserver 7.0404:37
scizzo-Seiver`Damross: you are using feisty and asking questions about those things in a gutsy channel?04:37
scizzo-Seiver`Damross: ./j #ubuntu04:38
Seiver`DamrossO.o04:38
Seiver`Damrossthey cant seem to help me04:38
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scizzo-Seiver`Damross: then check your repos04:38
Seiver`Damross?? i sh kinda noobie at this04:39
nosrednaekimSeiver`Damross: did you try #ubuntu-server?04:39
pravin_xchat keeps resolving irc.ubuntu.com to 1.0.0.0 until i run ping irc.ubuntu.com on a terminal04:39
pravin_this is true for pidgin and other net apps (apart from firefox)04:40
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Seiver`Damrossthat channal is unregistered04:40
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Seiver`Damrossany more ideas?04:43
Clericcan anyone help me access my Windows files via Ubuntu laptop hardwired to the local network?04:43
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nosrednaekim!samba | Cleric04:44
ubotuCleric: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT04:44
MementoMoriCleric: do you mean you want to access your files via samba?04:44
pvandewyngaerdesmb://04:45
Seiver`Damrossso there is no place i can get the LAMP setup?04:47
scizzo-Seiver`Damross: there is....04:48
Seiver`Damrossi sence a but04:48
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scizzo-Seiver`Damross: every tried to check the repos and stuff like that?04:52
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Seiver`Damrossagain im kinda of a noob to this what is repos?04:53
Clericmementomori: no i am jsut trying to browse using ubuntu network places04:54
stefg!repos04:54
ubotuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource04:54
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ericrostare there any plans to add vmware-server to the gutsy repos? It was in feisty... just wondering if they're waiting for something, or if they're getting rid of it?04:55
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MementoMorikaffeine cant play dvds while mplayer do it without problems04:56
nosrednaekimericrost: when canonical gets the commercial repo up, it will.04:56
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nosrednaekimericrost: usually thats after it is stable04:57
ericrostnosrednaekim: thanks, vmware player is out there, but I assume its a difference in having kernel mods?04:57
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ericrostnosrednaekim: I'm moving pretty much all my server stuff over to vmware, as I have underutilized hardware/not sure of the best combination to get the most out of the same box so I want it easy to play with04:58
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ericrostnosrednaekim: especially my firewall/dhcp/dns/nat server04:58
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nosrednaekimericrost: try virtualbox... its veyr very good without having to deal with liscencing etc04:58
mare2nosrednaekim: I fixed my problem04:58
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ericrostnosrednaekim: are there converters for the images? I have a bunch of stuff all set up under vmware04:59
Clericcan anyone help me access my Windows files via Ubuntu laptop hardwired to the local network?04:59
ericrostnosrednaekim: zimbra and wordpress (the wordpress wouldn't be a tragedy, there's no content)04:59
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ferric84_when trying to edit config files, 99% of the time I can't save it because I'm not the owner.  Is the easist way to fix this to chown the file to my user, or chmod the permissions?04:59
nosrednaekimericrost: virtualbox can use vmdk's05:00
mare2nosrednaekim: I cannot use 2.6.22-14-386 kernel which is default but I have to use -generic one. No idea what is the difference05:00
ericrostferric84_: use sudo, configs SHOULD be root owned05:00
nosrednaekimmare2: now it works?05:00
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scizzo-well managed to break my own LAMP server now05:00
ericrostnosrednaekim: hmm.. then I'm sold... I'll do that when I'm switching my setup05:00
ericrostnosrednaekim: I have to re-build the base on one box anyway (switch from desktop to server) so while I'm messing with packages and have stuff down anyway, I'll switch, that was the main reason I hadn't05:01
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mare2nosrednaekim: yes, everything works, sound, wireless, 2 cores. With 22-14-386 none of these work for me05:01
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nosrednaekimmare2: odd :)05:02
nosrednaekimI don't know what the difference is either.05:02
ericrostnosrednaekim: does it have a good remote viewer? I use vmware on another system to remotely manage, but just the basic shell access so I don't have even ssh open on the box05:02
BauldrickI still can't get my desktop fully up (have no toolbars)- issueing 'startkde' brings it up for a few seconds, but then it cuts back to login screen05:02
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ericrostnosrednaekim: and what's the performance comparison? as long as its close05:03
nosrednaekimericrost: yeah... but I THINK you need the non-open version for that. (still free and all, but IDK if its in the repositories)05:03
nosrednaekimericrost: vista was decently fast for me in it...must be pretty good :)05:03
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rulusHi, my usplash isn't working and my pc boots slow except when pressing ctrl+alt+f1 upon boot. This is a regression from the beta. Check http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40541 and http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40542 Any toughts?05:04
KenSentMeMy gutsy system wont get to the login screen anymore. After the nvidia screen i get an error screen that says the greeting screen (raw translation) cannot be started and i have to start another one. If i press Ok it gets in a loop, displaying the nvidia screen and then the error message. Anyone have any idea what i could do?05:04
ericrostnosrednaekim: well, if I have to leave ssh open, that's not a tragedy05:05
kohamHi all05:05
ericrostif I'm going to switch to use something free, I may as well use the Free version05:05
kohami would like to upgrade my ubuntu macbook to gusty, but i would like to know if anyone has problem with xorg on that hardware ?05:05
KenSentMeRebooting brb05:05
ericrostbrb, have to change a port mapping for my subnet.. never tried to access my fiance's blog server from the subnet since I reconfigured :p05:05
borovy3488did anyone else have locale problem upgrading from feisty?05:06
borovy3488anyone here?05:08
nosrednaekimborovy3488: nope05:08
nosrednaekim;)05:08
borovy3488dang it, i knew i was alone :)05:09
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borovy3488do you feel like helping with some gutsy issues, nosrednaekim05:09
nosrednaekimborovy3488: speak them, and if I don't know the answers.... someone else will. (there ARE others here)05:10
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sslashesis there anything running that would continually enable dpms05:11
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borovy3488OK, so when I tried the upgrade from feisty to gutsy, I used the terminal command.  Everything was running smoothly, then I got a lot of errors.  Including language packs not installed java6 not installed ubuntu minimal not installed and others.  Where should I post the entire list of errors i got?05:12
nosrednaekimsslashes: the powermanager.05:12
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nosrednaekimpastebin05:12
sslashesi have it disabled in my xorg, and when i run xset -dpms s off (and then xset q to confirm), after twenty minutes - the screen blanks, after which i run xset q to find dpms on again05:12
sslashesnosrednaekim: does power manager run in xfce05:12
nosrednaekimno clue.05:12
Moduliz01im hitting 13fps :(05:12
borovy3488Then, after all of these errors, it said that the update was over and aborted.  Nothing on my user was working, so I made a new user and it booted gutsy, and seems to be working fine.  I even got the welcome to Ubuntu 7.10 when starting Firefox.  What do I need to do to make sure everything is installed that needs to be?05:13
sslashesfound the answer - it does, would powermanager override an explicit call to xset -dmps?05:13
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ericrostnosrednaekim: hmm.. I don't exactly want an RDP, what I want to do is manage the vm options on a headless server from a nice gui on a laptop (which is what I do with VMWare)05:14
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nosrednaekimborovy3488: run "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"05:14
swhalenI broke my gtk themes05:14
swhalenand i dont know how05:15
goraraanyone run openarena on gutsy tribe 5?05:15
nosrednaekimericrost: ah... I see05:15
nosrednaekimgorara: thats rather....old05:15
borovy3488nosrednaekim: running now05:15
swhalenhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57414305:15
goraraim trying to run it but it just dies (installed via deb packages)05:15
gorarait kills xserver05:16
swhaleni dont want to reinstall my system :(05:16
sslashesi tried to remove gnome-power-manager, but it relies on ubuntu-desktop - any ideas?05:16
borovy3488nosrednaekim: I got a list of errors with the same things as the update.  What the list?05:16
nosrednaekimyeah.. pastebin the list05:16
borovy3488where do I paste it?05:16
nosrednaekim!pastebin05:16
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)05:16
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KenSentMeAnyone want to check http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40547/ and help me get my system running again? I get an error before the gnome login screen is opened05:17
swhalencan someone help me with the gnome-appearance-properties05:17
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ericrostI'm not sure I want to give that up..... but OTOH a Free version would be nice... grr (and I'm not messing with Xen again.. that's a great backend, but I don't want to mess with setting it up properly for what I'm doing)05:18
borovy3488nosrednaekim:  here ya go!  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40548/05:18
swhalenAnyone?05:18
nosrednaekimericrost: go over to #vbox05:18
nosrednaekimmaybe they have a solution05:19
nosrednaekimI don't do theserver stuff05:19
swhalenWhere can i get help with gnome-appearance-properties?05:19
ericrostgood idea... sorry for the OT :)05:19
cyclonutHas there been any revelation regarding why gutsy likes to change screen brightness on its own?05:20
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KenSentMeswhalen, i might not be able to help, but just ask what you want to know05:20
pvandewyngaerdeif i want to update the kubuntu RC to current it  needs a new key05:21
SuperLagI think there may be some kernel issues with USB audio, after one of these updates.05:21
nosrednaekimpvandewyngaerde: key?05:21
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nosrednaekimericrost: not a problem.05:21
dhq_has anyone got vmware working with gutsy05:21
SuperLagyes05:22
AboSamoori upgraded to gutsy from feisty but i'm wondering that screen  and graphics preferences don't appear in Administration or Preferences  ?!!!\05:22
SuperLaghttp://pastie.caboo.se/10688705:22
pvandewyngaerdenosrednaekim:   authorisation key05:22
pvandewyngaerdefor the packages05:22
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nosrednaekimpvandewyngaerde: does it REQUIRE it?05:23
swhalenKenSentMe: Well... i dont know whats wrong...all my gtk themes quit one day...as well as the ones packaged with gutsy. Ihave a forum post with a screenshot at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57414305:23
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AboSamooralso many configuration GUI tools do not updated :( , like mouse and printing ...05:24
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borovy3488nosrednaekim: any other ideas?  Someone on the forums was asking me about my sources.list.  It still has the stuff I added in from Feisty.05:24
pvandewyngaerdeyes05:25
nosrednaekimborovy3488: ah....like which ones?05:25
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SuperLagUbuntu rocks. However, I think a release of this version in less than a week, is ambitious.05:25
nosrednaekimSuperLag: lol... its always liek this :)05:25
SuperLagnosrednaekim: is that so, Mike Anderson? :)05:26
borovy3488nosrednaekim: want me to post a copy of it? there's a few05:26
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nosrednaekimSuperLag: indeed:)05:26
gunashekarSuperlag there is always the mirosoft way05:26
nosrednaekimborovy3488: yeah05:26
nosrednaekimor you can just link me to your thread05:26
borovy3488heres the paste:: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40549/05:27
SuperLaggunashekar: sure... but if Ubuntu only releases security releases after Gutsy goes live, then a LOT of stuff will still be broken.05:27
borovy3488nosrednaekim: here's the thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=574771&page=205:27
macogwanyone else ever have trouble where you open a window and there's window borders and there's the gtk grey and there's the white box where everything goes...but none of the gtk widgets are actually drawn?05:27
SuperLaggunashekar: I'm not certain how it works, but it was my understanding that after a version has been released, there are no updates to its packages unless they are security-related.05:28
mc44SuperLag: no, there are updates to fix non-security bugs05:28
SuperLagmc44: there are?05:29
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cyclonutscreen rightness: Has anyone figured out why it changes on its own???05:29
SuperLagmc44: that's a *very* good thing05:29
cyclonutbrightness, that is05:29
gunashekari am not sure. i installed fiesty only recently and later the beta gutsy an05:29
mc44SuperLag: however, only for critical bugs mostly regressions and such05:29
gunashekarIf you are using a screen reader, you may wish to switch to basic HTMLfor a better experience.05:29
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mc44gunashekar: stop please05:29
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gunashekarmore ?05:29
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SuperLagoops05:30
nosrednaekimborovy3488: remove the automatix lines05:30
gunashekarstop what ?05:30
nosrednaekim!flood05:30
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)05:30
SuperLaglooks like somebody copied the wrong text :)05:30
mc44gunashekar: pasting half your gmail page05:30
gunashekaroops am i flooding?05:30
gunashekarthere must be some problem05:30
gunashekarcould be a bug or virus?05:31
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rulusI'm sorry to repeat but this seems kind of a serious problem. Anyone having similar problems?05:31
mc44SuperLag: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates05:31
rulusHi, my usplash isn't working and my pc boots slow except when pressing ctrl+alt+f1 upon boot. This is a regression from the beta. Check http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40541 and http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40542 Any toughts?05:31
bobesponjahey all05:31
bobesponjaany release date about gutsy?05:31
nosrednaekim18th05:31
scizzo-bobesponja: checked the website?05:32
borovy3488nosrednaekim: OK, they are gone05:32
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gunashekarwonder whats wrong?05:32
scizzo-gunashekar: you are flooding the channel with information that you should have pasted into pastebin05:32
gunashekaroops05:32
nosrednaekimborovy3488: sudo apt-get update05:32
gunashekari havent done anything05:32
gunashekarcould it be a virus?05:33
mc44no05:33
scizzo-gunashekar: no05:33
mc44you just pasted the wrong thing05:33
gunashekari dont see anything pasted on the screen mc4405:33
borovy3488nosrednaekim: it is taking a much longer time.05:33
scizzo-flooding channel == pasting a huge amount of information into the channel that really should have gone into pastebin and then you paste the link to us here05:34
spr0k3tso what's the best way to get sound working in gutsy?05:34
borovy3488nasrednaekim: I didn't get any errors! Does that mean that everything is there now?05:34
nosrednaekimborovy3488: that was just updating your package lists ;)05:34
gunashekarsorry bye05:34
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philip_gunashekar, don't worry about it, it was 5 minutes ago, move on, use pastebin if you want05:34
sslashesin reference to my blanking issue (i seem unsable to disable dpms) - i get this error from X "(EE) intel(0): I830 Vblank Pipe Setup Failed 0", any ideas?05:34
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nosrednaekimnow run a  "sudo apt-get upgrade"05:34
borovy3488ok, its running05:35
Mooxhi ! I have an issue during the gutsy upgrade : authenticate '/tmp/tmp4WxEug/gutsy.tar.gz' against '/tmp/tmp4WxEug/gutsy.tar.gz.gpg' and update-manager close ...05:35
borovy3488nosrednarkim: nope, i still got the same error dangit.05:35
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spr0k3tanyone willing to help with sound?05:36
gunashekarneed sound help too05:36
macogwdid you guys know open office can open office 2007 power point files?05:37
spr0k3tgunashekar: which sound card?05:37
gunashekarHDA intel05:37
nosrednaekimborovy3488: fire of synaptic, remove all those broken packages, and then run "apt-get upgrade" again05:37
spr0k3tgunashekar: damn... running audigy here.05:38
gunashekarspr0k3t: thanks05:38
borovy3488nosrednaekim: OK, I'm working on it as we speak05:38
KenSentMeAnyone want to check http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40547/ and help me get my system running again? I get an error before the gnome login screen is opened05:39
gunashekarcan anyone help with making my sound card work?05:39
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macogwgunashekar: check #alsa05:40
borovy3488nosrednaekim: complete removal or just removal?05:40
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macogwgunashekar: theyre the ones that got mine working05:40
nosrednaekimborovy3488: complete05:40
borovy3488k05:40
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spirooHi I wonder, in the future, is it coming something like Deamon-tools in Linux?05:40
gunashekarthanks macogw05:40
spirooIt is not very much support for ISO-files I mean. You can mount it, but it is a little bit tricky and does not all the time work.05:41
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borovy3488nosrednaekim: wow, all of them were in the tzdata package05:42
nanonymehmm05:42
nanonymeif i don't currently have compiz installed, will dist-upgrade after release install it?05:42
nosrednaekimKenSentMe: nope...i'm not seeing anything in there.... what exactly is happeneing?05:43
mc44nanonyme: it is installed by default, unless you have removed it05:43
spirooanyone?05:44
nosrednaekimI always make /home the first partition, and memorize its size, so that is I lose my partition tables, I can at least get my /home back ;)05:44
mc44spiroo: mounting isos works fine05:44
nanonymemc44, so the answer is yes05:44
borovy3488nosrednaekim: OK, I removed it and ran the command.  It did nothing.  0 upgraded, 0 installed, etc...05:44
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nanonymemc44, that is, dist-upgrade will install it05:44
Mooxno idea for my issue ?05:44
nosrednaekimborovy3488: any errors though?05:44
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mc44nanonyme: depends, if you have the right metapackages yes05:45
borovy3488nosrednaekim: no errors at all05:45
nanonymehmm05:45
Ramyafter upgrading to gutsy from feisty i can't get the new features like Screen and Graphics preferences :( and many other control GUI tools don't updated :(05:45
nosrednaekimborovy3488: you're good then :)05:45
nosrednaekimborovy3488: just DON'T USE Automatix!05:45
nanonymemc44, so i can leave it out until i consider it stable if i don't manually install the metapackages? :o05:45
benzonactualy got a fun problem -  Ubuntu's partition manager wont scan my 10000rpm disk and i know the disk works since it still can run windows05:45
nanonymecool05:45
mc44nanonyme: eh? you don't have to use compiz05:45
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benzonRamy >> reinstall upgrade is a bad solution05:45
borovy3488nosrednaekim: so everything should work? awesome.  Yea, Automatix was a pain from the beginning05:45
nanonymewell, i don't want stuff on my system i don't use :)05:46
borovy3488nosrednaekim: how do I configure compiz-fusion? Like the cube and stuff like that?05:46
KenSentMenosrednaekim, i start my ubuntu system, everything seems to go fine, i get the usual nvidia screen and then the login screen should load. However, i get an error window saying my greeting screen (raw translation) can't be loaded and i should try another one. When i then click Ok. the whole process of nvidia screen, then error starts over again05:46
mc44nanonyme: then you can remove or install the package as you want05:46
riotkittieborovy3488: install compizconfig-settings-manager05:46
nanonymecurrently it seems i don't have it installed on my gutsy which is just dist-upgraded all the way from feisty05:46
borovy3488riotkittie: from where?05:46
sslashesborovy3488: in gnome, go to System > Preferences > Appearance05:46
riotkittieborovy3488: apt? aptitude? synaptic?05:47
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mc44nanonyme: well, if you didn't have the ubuntu-desktop metapackage that might be why. dist-upgrading isn't supported anyway05:47
nanonymemc44, i have xubuntu-desktop meta-package, i think05:47
nosrednaekimKenSentMe: run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm"05:47
spiroomc44: Yes I know that, but for instance .img does not work if I want to watch movies. Then it is hard to mount an ISO.05:47
mc44spiroo: use VLC05:48
KenSentMenosrednaekim, ok, will try that, thanks05:48
mc44spiroo: you don't need to mount it, just open the file in vlc05:48
nosrednaekimKenSentMe: might not be the solution... but try it :)05:48
spirooBut if I do not wanna use VLC then.05:48
mc44nanonyme: I don't think xubuntu comes with compiz05:48
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borovy3488does anyone know if my old install of avant windows navigator should work??05:48
mc44spiroo: then use something else which supports those files05:48
mc44borovy3488: as it's not in the official repos I doubt it05:49
spirooYes, but there is none out?05:49
mc44spiroo: whats wrong with vlc?05:49
borovy3488thanks mc4405:49
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nanonymemc44, alright, i no more questions then. thanks05:50
PriceChildyay no ethernet :)05:50
nosrednaekimPriceChild: wireless working :)05:50
PriceChildnosrednaekim, meh... wireless on router is wpa and don't want to turn it off05:50
nanonymei have even05:51
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PriceChildMy ethernet appears in ifconfig05:52
PriceChildnetwork manager tried to use it fine....05:52
PriceChildjust the light on my router doesn't appear :/05:52
mc44PriceChild: hardware problem kthxbye :P05:53
spiroomc44: VLC does not work correctly05:53
mc44spiroo: what do you use?05:53
spirooNothing, because no app works. I would like to watch movies in for instance Kaffeine05:54
nosrednaekimPriceChild: all the wires pushed all the way in?05:54
PriceChildmc44, but it works in windows,  I upgraded my router 15 minutes ago... reboot back to ubuntu and doesn't work, so go back to windows, restore the router back to original and still nothing works05:54
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mc44PriceChild: it doesn't work in windows either now?05:54
PriceChildmc44, no it does in windows05:54
mc44ah05:54
PriceChildubuntu just isn't turning things on, yet still tries to use it05:55
spirooWould be awesome with a GUI ISO-mounter like Deamon-tools. Then you just watch it from the mounted ISO05:55
chillervalleyanother question: I have here a external drive but if i connect it to my pc Gusty doesnt recognise it! not on SATA and not on USB! what to do?05:55
mc44!info gisomount | spiroo05:55
ubotuspiroo: gisomount: A utility for mounting and managing .iso images. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 30 kB, installed size 268 kB05:55
spiroothanks05:56
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coastGNU[Bug 152243]  It seems that there is a bug in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-14 I would judge as a grave bug.05:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152243 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "prism p54pci broken in 2.6.22-14" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15224305:57
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borovy3488OK guys, I think I may have another brain buster.05:58
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FFForeverhow does the encryption work?05:58
bqmasseyholla05:58
bqmasseyhola05:58
chillervalleyokay now it recognize it on usb05:59
nosrednaekimbye all!05:59
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bqmasseycan someone explain to me "horizontal virtual size" vs "number of desktops"05:59
borovy3488I have Gutsy installed and everything works, on the user that I had to create to actually do work because nothing was working on my other user.  Now, all I want to do is move all of the data files from that user to this user and delete that one.  How can I do this?06:00
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bqmasseyanyone?06:02
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TheInfinitybobesponja: cp ?06:02
borovy3488any ideas on how to import everything from one user to another?06:03
TheInfinitycp :)06:03
chrisleHi! I can not open the files under /var/log/installer they are owned by root. But there is no root user in ubuntu or?06:04
TheInfinityjust look at man cp for the right options for you06:04
spiroomc44: How about .cue?06:04
macogwborovy3488: sudo cp /home/olduser/* /home/newuser/06:04
Asad2005whats the best way to purge /var/cache/apt/archives06:04
macogwborovy3488: make that cp -r06:04
mc44spiroo: should mount fine I assume06:04
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macogwchrisle: sudo06:04
spirooDoes not work in gisoMount06:05
borovy3488macogw: after that is done, should I just delete the old user?06:05
macogwchrisle: there is a root user, of course, but the password is locked06:05
mc44Asad2005: sudo apt-get autoclean06:05
macogwborovy3488: system > admin > users and groups06:05
chrisleokay thanks06:05
mc44spiroo: dunno then06:05
macogwborovy3488: then delete their home directory06:05
borovy3488macogw: awesome thanks06:05
TheInfinityhe has to be in bash only macogw06:05
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TheInfinityand he has to change gid / uid06:06
TheInfinityotherwise it will fail06:06
Asad2005mc44, will that also clean future downloaded .deb files or just whats currently saved only06:06
macogwborovy3488: ok TheInfinity says you have to kill X when you do it06:06
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mc44Asad2005: just the cache06:06
TheInfinityor make it from a third account06:06
Asad2005mc44,  thanks06:06
borovy3488macogw: how do I do that?06:07
chillervalleywhy doesnt my External HDD work if plugged in with SATA?06:07
macogwborovy3488: and for that change gid/uid bit he just said, chown -R newuser:newuser /home/newuser/*06:07
chillervalleyhow can i fix that?06:07
TheInfinityto guarantee that no data is used in the moment06:07
macogwborovy3488: ctrl alt f106:07
macogwborovy3488: and then "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"06:07
giorgo1!repeat06:07
ubotuDon't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience06:07
borovy3488macogw: it already started, like when you first said it06:07
Asad2005I want to rsync back up root partition what folder should i exclude06:07
macogwborovy3488: ctrl C to kill it06:07
bqmasseyI've got 7.10 installed.  I'd like to do the cube like in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk1w    Please Help!06:07
macogwbqmassey: install compizconfig-settings-manager06:08
bqmasseydid that06:08
borovy3488ok what do I need to run again?06:08
macogwbqmassey: ok then just enable the cube06:08
bqmasseyi can't figure out how to get four desktops that have the main toolbar06:08
macogwborovy3488: write it down since you have to kill X06:08
riotkittiebqmassey: go to ... ok, you have ccsm right? go to general options... its one of the tabs in there06:08
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chillervalleybqmassey: right click and choose options on the desktops in the right lower corner06:09
bqmasseyok.. i've got both open.. what both of you said06:09
macogwborovy3488: hit ctrl alt f1, then type "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" (and i mean write on analog paper) then "sudo cp -r /home/olduser/* /home/newuser/" then "sudo chown -R newuser:newuser /home/newuser/*"06:09
bqmasseyfrom the bottom right corner i have "Workspaces, Columns: 4, Rows: 1"06:09
riotkittiedesktop size tab, bqmassey06:10
chillervalleyokay there you got this 4 desktops06:10
chillervalleyis compiz running bqmassey?06:10
bqmasseychillervalley: yea, my other effects are working06:10
riotkittieincrease horizontal vertical size06:10
macogwbqmassey: did you disable desktop wall?06:10
bqmasseyunder desktop size i have "Horizontal Virtual SIze: 4, Vertical Virtual Size: 1, Number of Desktops: 406:10
riotkittiehm06:10
chillervalleyand you have enabled the cube in the settings manager bqmassey06:10
bqmasseymacogw: possibly06:10
axel_shi, can't use k3b since last update anymore...06:11
axel_shttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40550/06:11
macogwbqmassey: number of desktops should be 106:11
bqmasseyit makes me disable desktop wall when i enable "desktop cube" and "rotate cube"06:11
macogwbqmassey: mine says 4, 1, 1 on that tab06:11
macogwbqmassey: ok06:11
bqmasseymacogw: got it06:11
Asad2005mc44,  i have issued sudo apt-get autoclean but it did not delete all .debs, i assume only those which are not required (old ones) are deleted, is that right ?06:12
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macogwAsad2005: ye06:12
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borovy3488who was helping me with the user import?06:12
macogwborovy3488: i was06:12
borovy3488macogw: aparently ctl alt f1 crashes my laptop.06:12
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borovy3488good news, eh?06:12
riotkittieooh. :o06:12
macogwborovy3488: takes it to a black screen you mean?  that's supposed to happen06:12
mc44Asad2005: try using clean instead of autoclean06:12
bqmasseyhey cool.. it's working06:13
borovy3488macogw: oh, well now I feel like a retard06:13
macogwborovy3488: killing X means all the graphics go POOF thats why i said to write it on real analog paper06:13
bqmasseythanks guys06:13
borovy3488macogw: ok, so what was the command I need to run again?06:13
macogwborovy3488: it has a login prompt on the black screen, right?06:13
riotkittiewee. animations.06:14
borovy3488macogw: no, it just was completely black and had a blinking line06:14
Asad2005mc44, Thats what i intended to do, thanks anyhow06:14
bqmasseyit rotates the screen.. but i don't actually see a cube.. any ideas?06:14
macogwborovy3488: :-/ do you have framebuffer enabled? it sounds like it06:14
macogwbqmassey: ctrl alt, click and drag06:14
Asad2005I want to rsync root partition what folder should i exclude06:14
borovy3488macogw: dang, maybe how do I take it off? I never turned it on?06:15
bqmasseymacogw: awesome06:15
bqmasseymacogw: how do i zoom out? like the youtube video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk1w06:15
macogwborovy3488: framebuffer is, AFAIK still broken.  it's a boot option that i dont think can be disabled midrun (someone tell me if that's wrong please).  when you boot you hit Esc to go to GRUB, then "e" on the first line of ubuntu stuff. arrow down one to the very long line and hit "e" again. at the end of the line it'll say something like vga=792 or some other number, backspace that out and hit enter06:16
macogwbqmassey: play with cube settings06:16
bqmasseyok, thanks06:16
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borovy3488macogw: OK, now that kind of scares me.  Does it have to be done?  The last command you gave me looked like it was working, just taking a while.  all of the desktop files are there and some of the other files from the home06:17
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macogwborovy3488: TheInfinity says that if you move them while logged in as either user it will F things up, and that sounds about right.06:18
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macogwborovy3488: editing the grub boot parameters that way only affects you for *one* boot06:18
macogwthey revert to normal next time you reboot06:19
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borovy3488macogw: OK, when I edit that, what do I do?06:19
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borovy3488will it just load into ubuntu like normal?06:19
macogwborovy3488: before we start, can you do "sudo apt-get install irssi"?06:19
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lufisEvery time I try to print with my hp photosmart c3180 (on gutsy) the print dialog freezes. It was working fine before a recent update, now print dialogs in all apps freeze up whenever they are opened. The HPLIP toolbox won't open either, when i run it from the cli it says: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 17106:20
PriceChildNow it works... wierd06:20
skyhookHi, when gusty comes out and I upgrade, will it be like a fresh install, or will it keep a lot of my programs and files?06:20
borovy3488it says the isrssi has no installation candidate06:20
macogwborovy3488: actually better idea.  boot one of the recovery options06:20
macogwborovy3488: you spelled it wrong06:20
lufisskyhook: do you have /home on its own partition?06:20
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macogwborovy3488: recovery options do not have X, just command line, which means i dont have to explain how to get to the command line06:21
skyhooklufis: no, I don't think so06:21
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macogwborovy3488: recovery option also makes you root automatically06:21
borovy3488ok, sounds good, how do I do that?06:21
lufisskyhook: you probably do... as long as /home isn't touched during the installation, all your old files will be safe06:21
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macogwborovy3488: when GRUB comes up and lets you pick what to boot, every other one says "recovery" just arrow to it and hit enter06:21
skyhooklufis: I see, okay thanks06:22
borovy3488ok, then can I come back on this channel and get some help06:22
macogwborovy3488: irssi is an IRC client for the command line so you can ask questions here while doing stuff06:22
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SuperLagirssi++06:22
macogwborovy3488: no.  there will not be X to get here using xchat or pidgin.  you need irssi to come back here while in recovery mode06:22
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macogwborovy3488: play along and imagine you're a hacker in Live Free or Die Hard, ok?06:23
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borovy3488sounds good06:23
borovy3488haha06:23
borovy3488macogw: I ran this exactly in the terminal:: sudo apt-get install irssi06:23
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borovy3488said that there was no installation candidate06:23
macogwborovy3488: O_o06:24
chillervalleyi'm a hacker and building a virus like in Hackers!06:24
chillervalleywith this nice cube thingy ect.06:24
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karachi9Anyone with ATI Radeon 9200 graphics trouble?06:24
macogwborovy3488: O_o it's in main.06:24
sargsmittenhey all... does ne1 know if the new gnome has a thumbnail view for file uploads?06:24
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macogwkarachi9: use the open source driver and there is no trouble06:25
malajenhohi, is there any command like NET SEND in Windows for messaging one pc with Ubuntu and another with Windows ?06:25
borovy3488should I try synaptic?06:25
macogwborovy3488: guess you could try06:25
karachi9Is the open source driver the default driver or would I need to manually set it to that?06:25
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sargsmittenDOES THE NEW GNOME have a thumbnail view for file uploads?06:26
contrast83karachi9: it's the default06:26
karachi9well it's not working well on an nforce2 motherboard06:26
macogwsargsmitten: file uploads?06:27
contrast83karachi9: elaborate?06:27
karachi9can't set the resolution frequency to anything besides 60Hz and I need 85Hz06:27
borovy3488macogw: it has irssi-plugin-icq, irssi-plugin-silc, ekg, irssi-scripts, etc... but no just plain irssi06:27
sargsmittenLIKE when you go to upload a pic to 4chan or myspace or somethin....and you wanna look through ur pics.... is there a thumbnail view to preview those pics...the GNOME for fiesty does not have this feature06:28
macogwborovy3488: weird.  install one of those and maybe itll yank in regular irssi. also possible,i guess, that irssi is a wrapper for a bundle of packages06:28
borovy3488ok06:28
Ramycan anyone help me to fix my VirtualBox according to this thread https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose-modules/+bug/15137906:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151379 in virtualbox-ose-modules "Please provide virtualbox modules for 2.6.22-14" [Medium,Fix released] 06:28
macogwborovy3488: if not, there's also bitchx06:28
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borovy3488ok, we'll try that one06:29
karachi9The screen flickers and won't fit the size of my monitor06:29
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contrast83karachi9: you could try the proprietary driver06:29
borovy3488macogw: yea, it found bitchx06:29
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karachi9Okay...06:29
macogwborovy3488: ok then use that06:29
karachi9contrast83: Thanks06:29
bfallikany recent problems with fglrx?  It stopped working on my laptop this AM06:29
contrast83np06:29
borovy3488macogw: should I get the dev, gtk, ssl, etc.. packages as well?06:30
bfallik(ironically, I'm sitting in an Ubuntu installfest)06:30
macogwborovy3488: no06:30
contrast83sargsmitten: i'm pretty sure it does06:30
macogwborovy3488: dev is for developers and gtk is for not-command-line usage06:30
borovy3488macogw: ok, its installing06:30
bqmasseyI found a theme i really like.... can i use it on 7.10?06:30
bqmasseyhttp://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Grey+Neu?content=6082406:30
sargsmittenCONTRAST83>>> thanks...that was the only thing i didn't like about the fiesty.... i'm in the middle of my distro upgrade to gutsy rite now06:31
borovy3488macogw: its installed06:31
borovy3488what now?06:31
contrast83sargsmitten: well, just remember i did say i *think*. :-)06:31
contrast83sargsmitten: if it's not, you could always switch to kde. :-P06:31
macogwborovy3488: with a real piece of paper and a pen, write this down06:31
macogwborovy3488: pencil is also ok06:31
Ramyi don't know how i can fix that bug with the fix in the VirtualBox bug thread06:31
borovy3488macogw: how about a crayon?06:31
macogwborovy3488: if you can make a crayon legible, more power to ya06:32
sargsmittenI could...but I like gnome better....its not a big deal, it would just be nice to have that feature inclduing06:32
mc44sargsmitten: no, the firefox dialog doesn't have previews. It's not a gnome problem06:32