[12:42] <superm1> slangasek, would you be able to release mythbuntu-control-centre before this weekend from the 'waiting for distro manager' since there won't likely be any RM's around this weekend?
[12:45] <slangasek> superm1: I assumed Hobbsee would be around this weekend?
[12:45] <superm1> slangasek, oh didn't know Hobbsee could release it
[12:45] <superm1> don't worry then
[12:46] <superm1> sorry to bother you :)
[12:46] <slangasek> no worries
[12:52] <xhaker> woohoo, more pictures of the first FreeSoftwareForumLisbonUbuntuPT http://picasaweb.google.com/xhaker/FirstFreeSoftwareForumLisbon
[01:53] <lamont> kdeadmin _BUILD_-depends: lilo? say what?
[02:03] <slangasek> keescook: ah, hmm; libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap now share /etc/ldap.conf, do they?
[02:03] <keescook> slangasek: via other packages, yes
[02:04] <keescook> slangasek: ldap-auth-config
[02:04] <slangasek> heh, a separate package?
[02:04] <slangasek> didn't trust the pam and nss packages with the job? :)
[02:06] <keescook> slangasek: well, they handled things differently, were a fork from upstream, caused headaches for "regular" GUI apps that wanted the standard config method, etc
[02:06] <keescook> slangasek: work was done by jdstrand and dendrobates mostly, IIRC.
[02:07] <slangasek> keescook: oh, I agree that the two packages should share a config file, I just don't understand why a separate package was needed for this as opposed to fixing the existing debconf support...
[02:08] <keescook> slangasek: I'm sure they're be interested in a review of their work.
[02:21] <mekius> We have a custom live cd and the OEM who we are dealing with wants a way to auto-install onto the drive into a finished state.  Is there anything in place at all to do this type of thing?
[02:22] <mekius> Normal installation would require OEM mode, install, rum oem-config-prepare on the installed drive
[02:22] <mekius> this is based on gutsy btw
[02:24] <mekius> If noone here knows, can I get an email address of someone who would know anything about how to acheive this?
[02:24] <Burgundavia> mekius: you are trying to install a custom iso install?
[02:26] <mekius> Well it is a custom live cd based on gutsy.  We had it worked out where they would image a hard drive install, but apparently they decided that wouldn't work out at the last minute.
[02:26] <Burgundavia> umm, why a live cd?
[02:28] <mekius> We plan on offering a community edition of the CD as well
[02:28] <Burgundavia> oh
[02:30] <Burgundavia> this really isn't a great time to be searching for advice from the installers devs, as we are so close to release
[02:30] <Burgundavia> try a few days after Gutsy releases
[02:30] <mekius> Burgundavia: Unfortunately I only have a few days to make this work.  I guess I will need to figure out a way to script this :/
[02:31] <persia> mekius: If email is good, you might also try searching the ubuntu-derivatives archives (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-derivatives/), or mailing there if there's nothing similar.
[02:32] <mekius> persia: List seems a bit small
[02:33] <_MMA_> mekius: 'tis. Lemmie see if I can get someone to give you some help.
[02:35] <mekius> _MMA_: Sorry about the persistence, just last minute changes :P
[02:35] <reitblatt> think I might have found a (reproducable) bug that keeps people from booting a new Gutsy install due to a easily fixable typo
[02:35] <reitblatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/138325
[02:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138325 in initramfs-tools "Unable to mount root fs after upgrade to 2.6.22-11.32" [High,Triaged] 
[02:35] <mekius> _MMA_: If everyone is busy I'd hate to be a huge bother.
[02:36] <_MMA_> mekius: I PM'ed a friend. If he can help, he'll contact you.
[02:36] <mekius> _MMA_: Ok, thx
[02:37] <_MMA_> mekius: Please PM me your email address. Might not happen tonight but maybe tomorrow. Fate on a Friday night isnt the best time for most.
[02:37] <_MMA_> s/Fate/Late
[02:39] <mekius> _MMA_: Yes, it sucks for me too :)
[02:41] <_MMA_> mekius: I think that what Burgundavia was getting at was, why a live disk? I think this would be pretty easy to preseed a Alt disk.
[02:42] <_MMA_> s/this/it
[02:42] <mekius> _MMA_: Yes I know, but by the time they even mentioned this we were far to in to it.
[02:43] <_MMA_> Hopefully the amount of work required to fix your situation isnt more than needed to preseed a Alt disk.
[02:45] <mekius> _MMA_: Yeah, I'm hoping the same :)
[02:45] <mekius> _MMA_: I had looked a bit into the preseed stuff, but wasn't sure if this would work right.
[02:47] <_MMA_> mekius: Ok. From my Googling there looks to be alot of info on it. Sorry. I have to run. I gave your info to my guy with instructions to read here. Ill tap him tomorrow as well to see if he can help. For now, I gotta run.
[02:56] <mekius> _MMA_: I actually have another idea.  I can give them a DVD that contains a hard drive image of the installed system and have some software to copy this to the hard drive.  Do you know of anything that can do this sort of thing?
[02:57] <mekius> i guess i could just do a dd?
[02:57] <persia> mekius: I think you'll still want partitioning before dd.
[02:58] <mekius> hmm, can dd capture the whole disk?
[03:03] <_MMA_> persia: You should be able to also set that up. Like this maybe? http://www.hands.com/d-i
[03:04] <_MMA_> Oh wait that presseded via the network.
[03:05] <mekius> I think dd will work
[03:06] <mekius> I could just add a menu option to gfxboot to copy the image that I have on the dvd over to the hard drive eh?
[03:06] <mekius> hmm, actually :/
[03:06] <mekius> the dd image will probably be the size of the hard drive won't it :/
[03:07] <TheMuso> mekius: Yes
[03:07] <TheMuso> mekius: Have you looked into any of the partition imaging tools available?
[03:07] <TheMuso> If they can be scripted, tey may be useful.
[03:07] <mekius> TheMuso: Honestly I don't know what is available :)
[03:08] <mekius> TheMuso: But anything that can make a hard drive image, including MBR and such, and is the size of the data on the disk would work great :)
[03:08] <TheMuso> mekius: apt-cache is your friend.
[03:08] <TheMuso> apt-cache search even
[03:08] <TheMuso> Or your GUI package manager of choice.
[03:08] <mekius> TheMuso: I'm actually not an Ubuntu/Debian user :)
[03:09] <mekius> I'm just working on a project using Ubuntu as it's base :)
[03:09] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[03:09] <_MMA_> mekius: arch usually?
[03:10] <mekius> _MMA_: Not sure if you mean Archlinux, but that is what I use :)
[03:10] <_MMA_> Yeah.
[03:10] <mekius> how did you guess?
[03:11] <_MMA_> From the /whois.
[03:12] <mekius> ah :)
[03:13] <mekius> anyone use replicator before?
[03:14] <ion_> No, but i saw them in Stargate.
[03:14] <mekius> hehe
[03:25] <mekius> partimage is close, but i'd have to either script install grub or dd the MBR from the installed system :/
[03:26] <persia> mekius: If you can guarantee the target structure, dd MBR works
[03:30] <mekius> persia: in this case it is the same hardware that I have in front of me
[03:30] <mekius> persia: So I believe it would work, it just sounds like a lot of work and testing I don't have time for heh, damn :(
[03:31] <persia> mekius: quick & dirty isn't always quick :(  Preseeding the alternate CD is the real solution, but it may be more difficult to show interim progress that way (more of a binary option).
[03:32] <mekius> persia: Well the issue is we have modified the live cd quite a bit
[03:32] <mekius> so I would need to modify the alternate in the same way and then setup the preseed as well
[03:33] <mekius> How much time does it take to setup a preseed given I don't have a clue how it works :)
[03:33] <mekius> Well I looked into it a bit I guess, but haven't actually used it before
[03:34] <mekius> Making all our changes to the alternate cd would be pretty insane as well :/
[03:34] <mekius> persia: I can see your point though
[03:35] <mekius> Thanks everyone for ideas, hopefully will help me out with this :)
[03:36] <mekius> persia: Can the live cd be preseeded?
[03:36] <mekius> ok
[03:36] <mekius> Sounds dumb of course :)
[03:37] <LaserJock> I don't think it can
[03:37] <mekius> But I wonder if there is a way to boot it this way :/
[03:37] <LaserJock> there's nothing to preseed I don't think
[03:38] <mekius> Hmm, alright :/
[03:38] <LaserJock> doesn't preseeding answer the debconf questions that come up during installation?
[03:39] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Yes.
[03:39] <LaserJock> so, the LiveCD doesn't do any package installation, so there's nothing for it to preseed
[03:39] <mekius> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/Automation
[03:40] <mekius> seems there are plans
[03:40] <mekius> but doesn't look like anything has been touched yet
[03:40] <TheMuso> As it is, preceeding is used for {k,x,ed,gob}untu to set which desktop task to install for tasksel.
[03:46] <mekius> TheMuso: That's all that works atm?
[03:46] <slangasek> that's all it needs to be used for
[03:46] <mekius> the link i posted said it was accepted for gutsy
[03:46] <mekius> but it doesn't seem like it is
[03:47] <mekius> slangasek: Given one doesn't need a live cd and an automatic install CD
[03:47] <slangasek> stuff that's not flavor-specific doesn't need preseeding, because the debconf defaults get set within the package instead
[03:47] <mekius> Well I need a way for them to pop in a disk and it installs within as little time as possible, but the only way to do this i guess is to make an alt cd
[03:47] <mekius> which is gonna take forever
[03:48] <slangasek> sorry, "make" an alt CD?  what do you need to make?
[03:48] <mekius> We have modifed the live cd HEAVILY
[03:48] <mekius> I mean ripped things out and replaced quite a bit
[03:48] <mekius> Therefore I would need to do the same to the alt image so I can preseed it
[03:48] <mekius> They asked for it too late anyway
[03:49] <slangasek> ah
[03:49] <mekius> most of it is packaged
[03:49] <mekius> but some isn't
[03:49] <mekius> due to time constraints mostly
[03:50] <superm1> mekius, what are you looking to install while on the live disk install?
[03:51] <superm1> during the mythbuntu install, we do install items via the live disk onto the new filesystem
[03:51] <superm1> based upon selections
[03:51] <mekius> Well I need an automated install
[03:52] <mekius> If possible without even having to enter X
[03:52] <slangasek> right, in that case it sounds to me like the Live CD was the wrong starting point for you :/
[03:52] <mekius> slangasek: Well we needed a live cd for future plans, but I agree it ended up not being good now.
[03:53] <mekius> slangasek: Too late now, but I guess i'll have to spend all weekend working on this shit again
[03:55] <chris_punches> BANANA PHONE!
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[03:55] <slangasek> !op
[03:55] <ubotu> Help! bhale, infinity, Hobbsee, jdub, thom, fooishbar, fabbione, mdz, lamont, or Keybuk
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[03:55] <TheMuso> !ops
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[03:57] <mekius> sigh
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[03:57] <Pici> I called !staff in -ops
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[03:57] <mekius> persia: he has a lot lined up, it is only due to lag that you don't get them all at once heh
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
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[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <persia> But:  foo
[03:57] <persia> foo
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[03:59] <slangasek> mekius: actually, it's probably an anti-flood measure on the part of the abuser
[04:00] <slangasek> er - an anti-flood countermeasure, I mean
[04:26] <xjkx> If i make a custom cd just adding SOME packages and changing nothing else, do i have to change the name of the distro?
[04:28] <xjkx> i'd remove packages too
[04:28] <mneptok> sorry 'bout that.
[04:28] <xjkx> mneptok, are you a dev? if so, what do you think?
[04:29] <mneptok> xjkx: i'm not a coredev, but i play one on TV ...
[04:44] <mekius> slangasek: There is an --automatic option for ubiquity
[04:44] <mekius> slangasek: It says it respects the seen flag, do you know what that means?
[04:45] <slangasek> mekius: debconf stores information about whether a given debconf question has been shown to the user
[04:48] <mekius> ah
[04:52] <joejaxx> Good Evening All
[05:13] <YokoZar> I just wanted to make sure everyone is aware that UDS this year will be in the United States during Halloween.  I may or may not be dressing as a Heron.
[05:19] <bddebian> heh
[05:46] <r_rehashed> hi all. what's the command to set the path for a particular directory?
[05:47] <persia> r_rehashed: 1) That question is hard to answer as asked, and 2) This isn't a help channel
[05:47] <r_rehashed> set path=/home/... ?
[05:47] <r_rehashed> persia: ok
[05:50] <r_rehashed> persia: can i IM you please?
[06:36] <joshin247> I'm here cause no other irc channel had anyone of significant intelligence as what is in here
[06:37] <joshin247> and i have a problem
[06:37] <joshin247> or not
[11:41] <Kopfgeldjaeger> hi
[11:55] <seb128> does anybody else get network issue to the ubuntu domain?
[11:58] <ogra> seb128, i had some timeouts on help.u.c
[11:58] <Burgundavia> fridge has been giving me some timeouts as well
[12:00] <StevenK> seb128: Yeah, I can't reach launchpad
[12:01] <bluekuja> had problems with planet as well
[02:01] <pochu> heya Hobbsee
[02:44] <blubblablub> please help me: http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=9290332
[03:29] <Hobbsee> holy cow, why must people be idiots.
[03:30] <persia> Hobbsee: consider it a compensatory control to reduce the quantity of mad scientists.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> persia: was thinking of the spammer earlier
[03:30] <Hobbsee> nice timing, ompaul
[03:32] <ompaul> Hobbsee, ;-)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ompaul: any chance i could abuse your staff privs?
[03:33] <ompaul> Hobbsee, pm
[03:37] <Hobbsee> superm1: i cant approve things in current status, btw.
[05:19] <Hobbsee> superm1: revert that :)
[05:19] <superm1> huh?
[05:20] <superm1> Hobbsee, revert which?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> [23:37]  <Hobbsee> superm1: i cant approve things in current status, btw.
[05:20] <superm1> Hobbsee, oh you can?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> i can now, yes
[05:21] <superm1> Hobbsee, okay cool.  well i'm going to have one more control centre upload to work around a bug that was just discovered this morning, and i should be done uploading for the gutsy cycle then :)
[05:21] <Hobbsee> oh, meh.  just after i accepted yours tuff, too :)
[05:21] <superm1> haha.
[05:21] <superm1> these users, they gotta report these things sooner!
[05:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:57] <coastGNU> [Bug 152243]  It seems that there is a bug in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-14 I would judge as a grave bug.
[05:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152243 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "prism p54pci broken in 2.6.22-14" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/152243
[05:58] <mjg59> coastGNU: That doesn't look immediately like a fatal issue. What's the actual problem?
[06:15] <coastGNU> mjg59: Due to this bug a p54g card will only be recognized as wlan0_renamed. This long name is shortened to wlan0_ren and by this you can't establisch a conection to a wlan anymore. networkmanager and wicd also don't support such long names fr NICs. And what is more fatal the name of the card is shortened to wlan0_ren in /etc/network/interfaces.
[06:16] <coastGNU> mjg59: So all users who bought eg. a WG511-V3 because it's a prism based card and don't need ndiswrapper are lost here.
[06:18] <Hobbsee> coastGNU: anyone who bought a netgear card is a muppet anyway.
[06:19] <coastGNU> mjg59: There is an old bugreport [bug #144079]  which looks quite the same.
[06:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144079 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "[gutsy]  2.6.22-12 breaks rt2x00 driver with rt2500 based card" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144079
[06:19] <Hobbsee> because they like changing their chipsets at random, and have very, very sucky drivers.
[06:19] <Hobbsee> but for all other prism-based cards...
[06:19] <coastGNU> Hobbsee: Not those who buy a WG511-V3, it's a prism GT card
[06:20] <Hobbsee> and the v2's were either marvell or prism.
[06:20] <Hobbsee> which is just a pain.
[06:20] <coastGNU> Hobbsee: Yes, know this, I'm in the Hardware buisiness...
[06:20] <Hobbsee> they're all prism, until netgear has a brilliant idea to change the chipset without changing the revision number, or any of the other info.
[06:20] <Hobbsee> (grrr)
[06:21] <coastGNU> Hobbsee: But SMC does the same, so who to blame...
[06:21] <nixternal> my PrismII works just fine, but I prefer the Orinoco based cards
[06:22] <mjg59> coastGNU: No, it doesn't look the same. What's the actual problem you're having?
[06:22] <coastGNU> Nicke: Orinoco based cards for beyond 802.11g? (54MBit and higher bandwith)
[06:22] <mjg59> The name is entirely unrelated to that issue, as far as I can tell
[06:23] <coastGNU> mjg59: have a look to the attachment I made to the bugreport
[06:23] <mjg59> coastGNU: Yes. I don't see what that has to do with the problem you're describing.
[06:24] <mjg59> As is, you've attached a log which shows some errors and then a working driver
[06:24] <coastGNU> mjg59: I didn't mention the maming problems, sorry
[06:24] <coastGNU> mjg59: s/maming/naming/g
[06:24] <mjg59> The naming problem looks completely unrelated to that
[06:25] <coastGNU> mjg59: But after blacklisting p54g it's gone, the naming problem.
[06:25] <mjg59> coastGNU: I've seen cases where p54pci and prism54 pick different mac addresses
[06:26] <coastGNU> mjg59: Different MAC? *Thats weird* indeed, I'l have a look at this.
[06:26] <mjg59> coastGNU: Try looking at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[06:32] <coastGNU> mjg59: Holla, youre right! The mac in pers.-net.rules for eth0 is wrong but ifconfig eth0 shows the right MAC
[06:35] <coastGNU> mjg59: What is irritating to me, there are rules for prism54 but not for p54pci
[06:35] <mjg59> coastGNU: The rules are generated on the fly
[06:37] <coastGNU> mjg59: So "You can modify it, ..." only takes effect till the next boot? My interpretation was that the rule lines are persistend and every new device will bring a new line?
[06:38] <mjg59> That's the idea. It's clearly confused for some reason. Try just nuking all the entries.
[06:39] <coastGNU> mjg59: hhhm, so by doint so you would say there is a chance that this nasty maning problem will disappear?
[06:39] <mjg59> It's more likely to be connected to that than the errors you're seeing
[06:39] <coastGNU> mjg59: s/maning/Naming/g
[06:39] <sladen> coastGNU: debugging... trying will help find out
[06:40] <coastGNU> sladen: Right, was more a rethoric question... pardon me
[06:42] <Mirv> mjg59: hi, dunno if you have any time to continue on bug 86666 (vbe trace was added 1st of Sep), it has somehow gotten even worse since the crash happens now even when using vga= parameter
[06:42] <Mirv> ubotu timed out... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/86666
[09:04] <RichW> Do ubuntu accept gpl v3 applications into their repositorys?
[09:04] <ScottK> Yes.
[09:04] <RichW> Thanks
[09:27] <rohan> the problem of volume control using laptop keys bouncing between 0% and 11% on intel HDA cards - someone told me it is already known. has a bug been filed where i can help out ? or do i file a bug ?
[09:32] <albertito> hi! I think I found a bug in bash_3.2-0ubuntu11_amd64.deb, or at least a regression from ubuntu7. My suspect is upstream patch 20, but I can't confirm it yet (it just look suspicious, but it may also be some other change in ubuntu8 to 10)
[09:32] <albertito> Where can I get the .deb for all those missing versions (ubuntu8 to 10) so I can bisect which one is the culprit?
[09:33] <rohan> albertito: archive.ubuntu.com
[09:33] <rohan> it might have the older version on the mirror, not deleted
[09:33] <albertito> the bug is triggered by the main bash completion script. At the beginning, it tries to set a read only variable, which should just fail and keep on going. But in ubuntu11, it's interrupting the scripts' flow. That means not only bash_completion doesn't run, but also my .bashrc stops after doing . /etc/bash_completion
[09:33] <albertito> rohan: thanks, I'll look in there
[09:34] <albertito> rohan: no luck :S just ubuntu7 and ubuntu11
[09:34] <rohan> albertito: hmm.. strange. bash-completion is working perfectly here
[09:35] <albertito> rohan: are you sure it's reloading it properly? it works the first time because the variable is not read only yet. But if you do source /etc/bash_completion, it _seems_ to work, but actually doesn't run to completion
[09:35] <albertito> rohan: I'll try to create a simpler test case
[09:35] <rohan> albertito: tell me what exactly to do ? source /etc/bash_completion after it's already done once ?
[09:36] <pochu> albertito: you can find them in launchpad
[09:38] <albertito> rohan, pochu: ok, I've got a testcase: http://pastebin.com/m28350bdd
[09:38] <albertito> let's say you put that in a bug-tc.sh file (no need for it to be +x)
[09:38] <albertito> on ubuntu7, it runs up to completion (it manages to echo 3)
[09:39] <albertito> on ubuntu11, it doesn't and stops before echo 2, after trying to set the  variable
[09:39] <rohan> albertito: no, here i get output till 3
[09:39] <albertito> well, I forgot the important part: you do source bug-tc.sh once, it should work in both 7 and 11. You do it again, and 7 works but 11 fails
[09:40] <albertito> rohan: what bash version?
[09:40] <albertito> rohan: try a second time in the same bash session
[09:40] <rohan> i tried 4 times
[09:40] <rohan> ubuntu11
[09:40] <rohan> bash:
[09:40] <rohan>   Installed: 3.2-0ubuntu11
[09:41] <albertito> rohan: ok, that's weird. You're using "source" to run it, right?
[09:41] <rohan> no
[09:41] <rohan> ./
[09:41] <rohan> albertito: aha, now i get the bug
[09:41] <rohan> first time it runs till 3, not 2nd time onwards
[09:41] <albertito> rohan: ok, the bug shows up whith source, that's the whole problem (and why it matters for bash_completion)
[09:41] <albertito> rohan: glad to hear, I was about to reboot for a memtest86 =)
[09:42] <rohan> albertito: hehe ;)
[09:42] <albertito> rohan: well, that same thing happens on the bash_completion, at the beginning, you can see the same { ... } || . trick
[09:42] <Chipzz> but different kind
[09:43] <rohan> albertito: ok, but here bash_completion seems to be working fine
[09:43] <albertito> rohan: it doesn't _say_ anything, but it won't work. That shows up when I modify my .bashrc _after_ loading the bash completion, and it dies. If you do an echo after the . /etc/bash_completion, it will run when you open a shell, but not when you reload the bashrc with . ~/.bashrc
[09:43] <albertito> rohan: that's because it worked the first time, when the shell opened
[09:44] <rohan> but doing source /etc/bash_completion doesn't give any errors
[09:44] <albertito> rohan: if you try to reload it, not only it won't run, but it will also stop the script that's running it (in my case .bashrc)
[09:44] <albertito> rohan: it doesn't
[09:44] <rohan> oh, it silently fails ?
[09:44] <albertito> rohan: try this: put an echo 1 after the ". /etc/bash_completion" in your .bashrc
[09:44] <albertito> rohan: start a shell, you will see the 1. Then run source .bashrc, you won't see it
[09:45] <albertito> rohan: yes, it fails silently
[09:45] <rohan> yes, albertito , the problem occurs exactly as you told
[09:46] <albertito> rohan: thanks for the confirmation =)
[09:46] <rohan> albertito: once you file a bug, please give me the url. i'll confirm it :)
[09:46] <albertito> rohan: I wanted to see which bash version was it, so I can report it properly, but I can't find the deb packages for ubuntu8 to 10
[09:47] <rohan> hang on, i think i know
[09:48] <albertito> rohan: well, it's already reported :S https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/149527
[09:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149527 in bash ".profile not sourced anymore" [High,New] 
[09:48] <rohan> albertito: have a look https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/3.2-0ubuntu11
[09:49] <rohan> albertito: ok, how about adding your test case ?
[09:49] <rohan> albertito: also look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/3.2-0ubuntu8
[09:49] <albertito> rohan: I will do that. Thanks a lot!
[09:50] <rohan> albertito: i think ubuntu8 was never released as a deb
[09:50] <albertito> rohan: great, there are the .debs, I'll bisect and report that along with the testcase
[09:50] <rohan> oh, where did you find the ubuntu8 debs ? i couldn't find them :-/
[09:50] <albertito> rohan: but there's the .dsc, the diff and the tar.gz, that's enough for me to build a package
[09:51] <rohan> ah yes
[09:51] <albertito> rohan: well, here are the resulting binaries: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/3.2-0ubuntu10/+build/400201
[09:51] <albertito> rohan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/i386/bash/3.2-0ubuntu10
[09:51] <albertito> rohan: I guess there must be .debs also for the other ones who got built
[09:52] <rohan> yes, but methinks ubuntu8 9 never got built
[09:52] <albertito> rohan: both are there: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/i386/bash/3.2-0ubuntu8 and 9
[09:53] <rohan> yes, but the resulting binaries for i386 ?
[09:53] <albertito> rohan: maybe they were never uploaded to the repositories or something like that? (I'm not very keen on how that works)
[09:53] <albertito> rohan: I see http://launchpadlibrarian.net/7683203/bash_3.2-0ubuntu8_i386.deb
[09:53] <rohan> oh ok
[09:53] <rohan> my observation is poor ;)
[09:54] <albertito> rohan: mine is worse, I have just downloaded the i386 packages, and I need amd64 =)
[09:54] <rohan> albertito: :D
[09:55] <rohan> albertito: just out of curiosity, do you use snd-hda-intel ?
[09:55] <albertito> rohan: ok, the bug is between 10 and 11. I'll try to remove the patch I think it's suspicious and build a new package
[09:55] <albertito> rohan: I actually do
[09:56] <rohan> albertito: do you experience the bug i mentioned above ?
[09:56] <albertito> rohan: but I'm not using ubuntu's kernel
[09:56] <rohan> i'm not using ubuntu's sound driver either
[09:56] <rohan> it's a hotkeys issue
[09:56] <albertito> rohan: I think I missed it, what bug?
[09:56] <rohan> albertito: 00:57 < rohan> the problem of volume control using laptop keys bouncing between 0% and 11% on intel HDA cards - someone told me it is already known. has a bug been filed where i can help out ? or do i file a bug ?
[09:57] <albertito> rohan: I haven't experienced it, I don't have a laptop, here it's a standard desktop system. Volume control seems to work just fine
[09:58] <rohan> albertito: oh, you don't have volume control keys on the keyboard ?
[09:58] <albertito> rohan: no, I don't
[09:58] <rohan> oh, ok
[09:58] <rohan> those keys are the problem. volume control is otherwise fine
[09:58] <albertito> rohan: sorry, I can't confirm that :S I have a normal siemens keyboard here, no fancy keys
[09:58] <rohan> ok :-s
[10:17] <rohan> ok, the bug is filed at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/152286
[10:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152286 in ubuntu "Gusty Beta update stopped laptop Fn Volume Control" [Undecided,New] 
[10:17] <albertito> well, I was right about the patch, the 20 was the culprit. I'll post in the bash bug
[10:18] <rohan> albertito: cool :)
[10:18] <albertito> rohan: thanks a lot =)
[10:30] <adam0509> do someone know where to send a mail to the Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator for Life ?? (mark shuttleworth of course) ?
[10:31] <Mithrandir> adam0509: https://edge.launchpad.net/~sabdfl says mark@canonical.com.
[10:31] <adam0509> thank u
[10:32] <albertito> rohan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/149527/comments/5
[10:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149527 in bash ".profile not sourced anymore" [High,New] 
[10:32] <ScottK> Mithrandir: If you're up for accepting packages, I'd appreciate it if you would accept mergeant and griffith.
[10:34] <rohan> albertito: cool :)
[10:34] <rohan> albertito: let's wait for someone to reply now
[10:35] <albertito> rohan: let's hope so. Thanks a lot for all your help!
[10:35] <Mithrandir> ScottK: accepted
[10:35] <rohan> albertito: hardly any, i must say :D
[10:35] <ScottK> Mithrandir: Thanks.
[11:29] <CarlFK> week ago installed gutsy daily build. just clicked on 'install updates" - installed a bunch.  when done, I rebooted.  it shut down, started up and dropped me to a root prompt.
[11:30] <CarlFK> no networking, only one VT
[11:30] <CarlFK> anyone want anything from the box before I nuke it?
[12:18] <neh> CarlFK: I have a machine that has no networking in gutsy, not sure if it's the same problem as yours. I filed a bug though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/151815
[12:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151815 in linux-meta "No functional network devices" [Undecided,New] 
[12:22] <janimo> a release manager please approve the xubuntu-default-settings upload: it removes a buggy plugin from the default panel. thanks
[12:24] <Creteil> hi all
[12:25] <slangasek> TheMuso: what's going on with espeak?  pitti asked for the package to be uploaded, no one seems to have done this yet?
[12:26] <Creteil> i have generated a new kernel package with CFS, now when i use it, i have 4 modules that does not load saying "disagrees about version of symbol struct_module"
[12:27] <Creteil> the 4 modules that does not load are : apparmor, snd_hda_intel, iwlwifi_mac80211 & iwl3945
[12:27] <albertito> Creteil: did you rebuilt your modules using the new kernel?
[12:27] <mjg59> Creteil: They're built from a different package
[12:28] <mjg59> You need to rebuild linux-ubuntu-modules as well
[12:28] <Creteil> albertito : i have booted on the new kernel and then recompiled the linux-ubuntu-modules, installed it, rebooted and error message stay ...
[12:29] <TheMuso> slangasek: I know. Since I don't have a regular core dev to work with, I subscribed ubuntu-main-sponsors to get it uploaded by someone.
[12:30] <mjg59> Creteil: Then you haven't built linux-ubuntu-modules against the correct kernel headers
[12:30] <Creteil> oh, maybe I have found my error, let me explain and you can confirm if it was my mistake ...
[12:30] <Creteil> mjg59 : I think it's exactly the problem, but let me explain in details
[12:31] <Creteil> after rebuilding kernel, I have obtained 3 packages (kernel, kernel-dbg & headers)
[12:31] <Creteil> then i have 1st installed just the kernel one
[12:32] <slangasek> TheMuso: ok, thanks; I'll see if I can't chase that up this weekend
[12:32] <Creteil> some seconds after that, the update manager say there is 1 package to update (obviously it was the kernel)