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mhbnixternal: up?01:37
mhbnixternal: have you got some time?01:37
mhbgood, I'll PM you01:38
Mezwho's roger ?01:59
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nixternalyou are roger02:07
nixternalhow goeth the Mez?02:07
nixternalso...are we working on a KDE 4 port of the pult yet?02:08
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mhbnixternal: hehe, you lazy americans :o)02:16
nixternalwhy is that?02:16
nixternalbut yes, we are lazy...that is why we are the "fattest" country in the world02:16
mhbnixternal: europeans setting accounts for you at two in the morning and you go watch borat :o)02:16
mhbnixternal: just kidding, enjoy the show02:16
nixternalI was told it was hillarious, so I need to find out if that is true :)02:16
nixternalbetter than working on this c++ homework02:17
mhbnixternal: right, you can tell us afterwards ... I haven't seen it either02:17
nixternalgonna make some popcorn...back in a bit..I am sure you will be sleeping, so if I don't see ya, k'nite :)02:17
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uga> real    16m17.393s03:08
uga> user    43m11.422s03:08
uga> sys     7m30.788s03:08
uganice, real short time to build kde4 from scratch =)03:09
ugait used to take much more than that for just kdelibs in my previous box...03:10
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mhbryanakca: poke04:09
mhbryanakca: wow, you're here04:09
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mhbryanakca: no, not that04:09
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jjessestill?  i thought you were done w/ that04:09
ryanakcano, I just have to mail out the logins04:10
mhbryanakca: how's your content-writing skills recently?04:10
ryanakcamhb: umm... depends on the article/text04:10
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mhbryanakca: I'll explain.04:10
ryanakcajjesse: I can scan the list and send it to you, and you can help me mail them out if you wish ;) (there's only 40 or so)04:10
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mendredto the kubuntu devel team: you guys rock, 3.5.8 is smooth and fast..and this is on an 5 yr old laptop WITH compiz-fusion running...thanks guys!!!05:17
nixternalmendred: no, thank you!05:21
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mhbthe man who never sleeps is back :o)11:28
mhbgood morning everyone11:35
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jpatrickanything new?11:42
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mhbjpatrick: oh yes, but I am afraid I don't want to go public with it yet11:45
jpatrickmhb: ah, more funny controversy..11:46
mhbjpatrick: hehe, nothing really *that* controversial ... I am just doing some updates for the kubuntu.org site, and I want to keep them a secret11:47
jpatrickI think I have an idea what it is but I'll keep quite11:48
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emonkey-pmhb: Is there any draft we can already translate? Normally we have some hours delay but it would be great if it's possible to do translate before the release of the announcement. (kubuntu-de.org)12:19
mhbemonkey-p: yeah, that'd be splendid, unfortunately I don't do announcements. nixternal usually does.12:21
emonkey-pok... I just thought you're doing right know something like an announcment. We'll see if we can link us into nixternals process. :)12:23
emonkey-pthx anyway12:23
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Pr370r14n0anyone knows a repo with snapshots of kde4?12:57
Pr370r14n0newer than beta212:57
Hobbseebeta 3 is in gutsy12:58
Pr370r14n0your are right12:59
Pr370r14n0but im refering to packages of the svn12:59
Pr370r14n0not releses12:59
Pr370r14n0(my english is poor, like you can see) ;)12:59
Hobbseeokay, then not for kubuntu12:59
Hobbseenixternal: was looking into it, but i dont know if he ever did it12:59
Dekans|screenbeta 3 in gutsy ?01:03
emonkey-pit looks like, but there is no announcement and I think not all required packages are in already01:03
emonkey-pbut there are some 3.94 packages01:03
Dekans|screencoming soon01:04
emonkey-pI think so yes01:04
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Hobbseeyes, there are in01:05
Hobbseeand due to a lovely launchpad bug, they never hit gutsy-changes ML01:05
Hobbseeall the required packages should be in, if i got them all01:06
Dekans|screenit's good01:06
Dekans|screeni reinstall nvidia driver and i try it :p01:07
emonkey-pHobbsee: I don't see the kde4base 3.94 for x8601:11
Dekans|screeni see 3.93 but i'm on french repos01:12
emonkey-phere you see some 3.94 packages01:14
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Hobbseeemonkey-p: i doubt they've built yet.01:15
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Dekans|screensince gutsy upgrade i have no disk manager utility01:31
Dekans|screenand some others modules of kcontrol01:31
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Hobbseedo you have python2.5-dev installed?01:42
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=== marseillai wonder why katapult never wanted to launch kwrite ?
Hobbseemarseillai: no desktop file for kwrite.02:03
marseillaiHobbsee: is it a bug or a feature ?02:04
Hobbseethe fact that it doesnt have a desktop file is a feature, the fact that katapult needs desktop files for programs to come up in it at all is a bug.02:04
marseillaiHobbsee: why do we want kwrite to not havec .desktop  file02:05
Hobbseemarseillai: so that we dont have 10+ text editors listed in the menu.02:06
Hobbseemarseillai: and because we use kate02:06
marseillaithat's a good reason02:06
marseillaiHobbsee: may be we should not install kwrite by default?02:07
=== emonkey likes kate very
marseillaiand add a .desktop to kwrite ?02:07
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Hobbseemarseillai: hm.  some people like kwrite.02:09
marseillaiHobbsee: i like it but i like to have a .desktop to my apps so if i like it and want to use it i can install it02:10
marseillaii can understand we don't want to have two editor in the menu but why install two of them and hide one ?02:10
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=== Hobbsee wonders if anyone's even tried that yet
Hobbseemost are focussing on kde3 for the release.02:23
=== Jucato doesn't know what he's focusing on or how...
JucatoI'm guessing there won't be a meeting before the release right?02:24
Hobbseeprobably not, no :(02:24
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Hobbseelast week was effectively wasted, and i'm not sure why02:24
Jucatoit's ok. I've been scattered myself02:24
Jucatojoin the club :)02:24
Jucatoalthough I can afford to be disorganized02:24
Jucatoand it seems I can afford to disappear for a few days too :)02:25
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HobbseeJucato: it seems that i *have* been disappearing some what, because people keep asking when i'm going to show up on irc again02:27
Hobbseebuz: telling us wha tthe libsoprano issue is might help02:27
Jucatoyeah, remember the time I got worried when you didn't show up for 24 hours (which you said was 28)? :)02:27
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=== Jucato still doesn't know what to do...
Jucatomoin jpatrick02:28
Hobbseehiya jpatrick02:29
HobbseeJucato: about?02:29
Jucatolife :)02:29
jpatrickmoin Jucato02:29
jpatrickhey Hobbsee02:29
Hobbseeah, yes.02:29
HobbseeJucato: 42.02:29
Jucatoah yes :)02:30
buztrying to install kde4base-dev yields02:31
buzSeek (typical)02:31
buz 10.6 W02:31
buz   Read/Write (typical)02:31
buz 9.5 W02:31
buz   Idle (typical)02:31
buz 8.2 W02:31
buz   Standby (typical)02:31
buz 0.7/1.2 W02:31
buz   Sleep (typical)02:31
buz 0.7/1.2 W02:31
buzwrong buffer02:31
buzThe following packages have unmet dependencies:02:31
buz  libsoprano4: Conflicts: libsoprano3 but 0.9.0~snapshot~2007-07-09-0ubuntu2 is to be installed02:31
buzthat's on gutsy ;)02:32
jpatrickI installed libsoprano fine yesterday :>02:32
buzi can install libsoprano4 just fine on its own02:32
buzsomething about the dependencies of kde4base-dev is wrong02:33
Hobbseeew, pastebin.02:33
buzor maybe its recursively02:33
buzfull paste http://pastebin.ca/73630302:34
Hobbseebuz: you need to remove libsoprano302:35
buzi have02:35
buzdoesnt help02:35
buzwell i figured if it conflicts, i may just as well get rid of it02:36
buzseeing that nothing i have installed seems to depend on it02:36
buzbut didnt help02:46
Hobbseewhy did it not help?02:47
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Jucatotasty menu? domino (style)?03:10
jpatrickaplg is doing tasty menu03:11
Jucatohm... semantik? (kdissert's successor)03:12
Jucatoalthough that's a Qt app technically03:12
jpatrickwhich domino (on -look.org) do you want? :)03:13
Jucatothere's only one domino actually03:13
Jucatothe rest are themes03:13
Jucatoanyway, just thinking from the top of my head...03:15
Jucatoand right now, that head isn't reliable03:15
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Hobbseehiya n8k9903:16
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n8k99oh my!03:16
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Jucatothat's Hobbsee's line...03:17
Jucatooh wait, that was "oh dear"03:17
Jucatodanke Hobbsee03:17
n8k99whew! good thing there is Hobbsee!03:17
Jucatoey kool, Mez is on Planet KDE now too :)03:18
jpatrickwoah, it's going to be fun trying to get this build system to work03:23
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MezJucato, BACK on planet KDE03:33
Jucatoah ok03:33
buzHobbsee: because i still get the same error about libsoprano3 and 4 being in conflict03:45
Hobbseeare you removing libsoprano3, or trying to add libsoprano4?03:46
buztrying to install kde4base-dev which depends on one of them03:47
buzrecursively i think03:47
Hobbseehm, kde4base depends on libsoprano303:50
buzmaybe some other kde4 element depends on 4 then03:50
Hobbseekdelibs5 does03:51
buzso that's the issue03:51
Hobbseeoh, neat.03:51
buzis that beta3 already, btw? if so, it better be fixed before that is announced ;)03:52
Hobbseeoh, i know what this will be03:53
Hobbseeoh, nyah03:54
Hobbseehow can i list the build deps of a package?03:54
Hobbseewithout downloading it?03:54
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Hobbseeoh, way cool.  i've inadvertantly caused this bug, too.03:56
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Hobbseebuz: what you didnt say was the fact that kde4base was the old version, and not the beta3.04:26
gnomefreaklatest updates for 3.5.8 wants to remove kde4base and such04:26
buzi must have missed that04:27
buzbut i did upgrade several times04:27
buzi mean package lists04:27
buzso i'm using whatever is on the server, reall04:27
Hobbseebuz: yeah, and it hasnt all built yet04:27
Hobbseegnomefreak: does it now?  why?04:27
gnomefreakno im guessing update for kdelibs504:28
buzyeah it's probably that04:28
gnomefreakapt-get is just removing them04:28
Hobbseewish i'd noticed that *before* looking further into it.04:28
buzkde 3.5.8 itself did not seem to care about kde4 one bit04:28
gnomefreaklibportaudio0 libsoprano4  these are not kde so im not positive im guessing its kdelibs504:28
Hobbseegnomefreak: do you have a useful pastebin, or do you expect me to be psychic?04:28
gnomefreaklol i can give you what it tells me04:28
buzit just so happens that kde4 beta 3 parts hit the repos at the same time04:29
gnomefreakoh good time to fail you sob04:29
gnomefreakHobbsee: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/21871004:30
gnomefreakonce i run it i can attempt to install them and let you know04:30
Hobbseebuz: than kde 3.5.8?  they didnt.04:31
buzwell it depends how often you upgrade ;)04:31
gnomefreaki think i found it04:33
Hobbseegnomefreak: ah yeah.  that'll sort itself out.  same problem as above, pretyt much04:33
gnomefreakkde4base Replaces: kdelibs5 (<< 3.93.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1), kde4base-dev (<< 3.91.0-0ubuntu2)04:33
gnomefreakassuming that is it04:33
Hobbseeno, that's not the problem04:34
Hobbseeit's that they depend on libsoprano3, which doesnt exist anymore.04:34
Hobbseewell, it does, but it's conflicted and replaced by ls404:34
gnomefreakso libsoprano3 is the reason?04:34
Hobbseeand the packages havent built yet to update that04:34
gnomefreakah i thought they were E17 packages04:34
Hobbseelibsoprano?  nah04:35
gnomefreakHobbsee: for you questions above about showing build-deps without downloading doesnt apt have a --show flag or the like04:37
Hobbseegrep-dctrl does it, i found.04:38
Hobbseeit probably does too, actually04:38
gnomefreakty will install dctrl-tools when updates are done to play with it04:39
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ryanakcamhb: ping05:34
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mluser-homeWhy does kde show up as 3.5.8 when it has not been released yet?05:39
gnomefreakmluser-home: you are using the PPA repo05:40
gnomefreak3.5.8 was released or will be in a week or so no?05:40
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mluser-homeYes.. it will be released soon, but my kde is already showing up as 3.5.805:40
mluser-homeNot that I mind.. just curious :)05:40
Hobbseegnomefreak: will be released on monday05:40
gnomefreakmluser-home: only if using the ppa05:40
gnomefreakHobbsee: ty05:40
Hobbseemluser-home: because of when our freeze is.05:40
mluser-homeAhhhh, ok.. makes sense05:41
Hobbseegnomefreak: it's in gutsy archive now, not just ppa05:41
gnomefreakit is?05:41
gnomefreakwell damn05:41
mluser-homeA sneaky way of getting around the freeze?05:41
gnomefreakbrb takes ppa lines out05:41
gnomefreakthat would explain the masive updates the last 2 days05:42
gnomefreaknever even looked at version05:42
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nixternalHobbsee: is Riddell gone for the weekend or something? We need to get kubuntu-docs uploaded before it is to late, otherwise we won't have translations06:17
Hobbseenixternal: likely.06:17
Hobbseehasnt it b een uploaded?06:17
nixternalnot -506:17
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Hobbseewhy is changes broke?06:18
nixternalaccording to LP, 7.10-4 is the latest in the repos06:18
nixternalI have no idea, I just heard it was06:18
Hobbseeoh, you read -motu06:19
=== Hobbsee broke it.
Hobbseeno really!06:19
nixternalhow did you break it?06:19
Hobbseei hit "accept"06:19
Hobbseethe UI from launchpad for accepting packages doesnt seem to generate mail, as we discovered last night, after i'd done ~20 packages.06:19
Hobbseeit's all working now06:20
Hobbseejust means that i cant accept things :P06:20
ryanakcahehe ;)06:22
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ryanakcanixternal: umm... do we still need the breezy documentation?06:27
ryanakca(adding MP3 support, etc for breezy)06:27
nixternalryanakca: no06:31
ryanakcanixternal: ok06:31
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ugauhm... I wonder if translations could be handled by google for those untranslated docs. They'd be broken docs for sure, but at least half readable06:33
ugawith a note on top: warning: this text was autotranslated by ...06:34
Hobbseenixternal: if you point me at a tarball really quickly, i can just upload it06:34
Hobbseeor otherwise email me06:34
Hobbseeis it sane?06:36
uganixternal: man, is that guy in the pic, you? because I know somebody that looks 99% like him06:39
ugashame I don't have a picture around to show =)06:39
nixternalnope, that is to skinny to be me :)06:41
ryanakcaHobbsee: if you're still there, do you know if we kept the amarok-install-mp3-support-script in 7.04 and 7.10?06:43
Hobbseewe did, and the amarok guys even fixed it so it doesnt freeze06:43
ryanakcaHobbsee: cool, thanks06:43
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uganixternal: hehe06:47
jjesseuga: i've met nixternal and that is way to skinny to be him :006:51
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Hobbseeoh, come on...06:52
Hobbseethis thing is *stilL* going06:52
nixternalwhat is that?06:52
Hobbseethe docs06:52
nixternalif you are building the docs package, go take a break, it has a thousand translation files to work through06:52
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nixternalit takes anywhere from 15 to 30 minutes on average06:52
Hobbseenah, i'm just trying to upload the damned thing.06:52
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Hobbseeit'd build faster than it'd upload, probably06:53
nixternaloh...ya the tarball is a biggen06:53
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nixternalyou should have seen edgy docs build w/o 1 dep...hours it took06:53
nixternalit still built correctly, but just took so long06:53
nixternalI think with Hardy, I am going to go back to using the "About Kubuntu" page for the firefox homepage though...I don't like the configuration of it, and if it continues having issues with the translations, then I will definitely rip it06:55
HobbseeUploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):06:56
Hobbsee  kubuntu-docs_7.10-5.dsc: done.06:56
Hobbsee  kubuntu-docs_7.10-5.tar.gz: done.06:56
Hobbsee  kubuntu-docs_7.10-5_source.changes: done.06:56
HobbseeSuccessfully uploaded packages.06:56
HobbseeNot running dinstall.06:56
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nixternalthanks to Jucato for that one07:03
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mhbno Riddell today?07:14
mhbis he on a business trip or something?07:15
Hobbseeit's a sunday there still07:15
mhbor just enjoying a weekend without internet?07:15
mhbHobbsee: right, here too, but it's unusal for him not to be online the whole weekend, so I had to ask07:16
ugamhb: [19:18]  [Whois]  Riddell has been idle for 1 hour, 26 minutes, and 58 seconds.07:18
ugajust one hour07:18
ugahe's alive somewhere07:18
mhbryanakca: poke, just got home07:27
ryanakcamhb: pong07:28
mhbryanakca: FAQ, nicey07:28
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ryanakcanot done yet07:28
=== ryanakca is adding the anchors
ryanakcaoh yeah, the question was how to get the FAQ in the menu bar to point to my page... but I figured it out after browsing the admin pannel for a while07:29
mhbryanakca: great :o)07:29
mhbryanakca: if you don't know anything else, just ask, I am quite familiar with drupals07:29
=== ryanakca nods, will do :)
ryanakcamhb: feel like looking at the faq page and helping me figure out why it only takes the first 6 anchors?07:38
mhbryanakca: frankly, when it comes to "feeling like", I still feel kind of disappointed (and insulted) because of not being given a visa ...07:39
mhbryanakca: but yes, I'd be happy to help you07:40
ryanakcaa visa to where?07:41
mhbryanakca: oh, you don't know? I thought I have complained more than enough here :o)07:42
mhbryanakca: http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/english/enjoy-the-uds-without-me/07:42
mhbryanakca: FAQ fixed, you had the first <a href=""></a> and then <a name=""></a>, which was incorrect07:44
=== ryanakca hasn't been in here for a while... homework and other fun stuff
ryanakcaah, thanks07:46
mhbryanakca: no, thank you07:54
mhbnixternal: any chance you will patch those CSS soon-ish? :o)07:55
mhbnixternal: I am sorry to be such a bossy tyrant07:55
=== ryanakca could volunteer himself to fix it if nixternal is busy and it's a simle patch
mhbryanakca: I would patch it myself, if I had them :o)07:57
ryanakcahad what, the CSS files?07:57
mhbryanakca: the patches for the CSS files07:57
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ryanakcamhb: whoah! I changed the Documentation menu link from node/1 to node/documentation, and I got something that looks like the download page... any idea why? http://mhb.ath.cx/kubuntu/site/node/documentation08:21
mhbryanakca: you should change that from "node/1" to "documentation"08:26
mhbnode/documentation is not correct08:26
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ryanakcamhb: and, was there an FAQ entry in the side bar, or did I inadvertedly create it?08:30
mhbryanakca: who knows ... content/menu finalization needs to be done with jr08:34
mhbryanakca: don't worry about it08:34
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ryanakcamhb: is the <span>@</span> supposed to make jr's email unspammable?08:52
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mhbryanakca: I don't know, is that used on the official page?08:53
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ryanakcadunno, I was just looking at http://mhb.ath.cx/kubuntu/site/shop08:53
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ryanakcao mhb08:57
ryanakcas/[] o/\/go08:57
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gnomefreakkdepimlibs5 is broken09:20
gnomefreakor not :(09:20
gnomefreakrrors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdepimlibs-data_3.94.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb09:20
gnomefreakbut sudo apt-get -f install fixed it09:21
gnomefreakhow does it fix an overwrite issue09:21
gnomefreakoh well later guys09:21
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mhbhi _StefanS_09:36
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_StefanS_mhb: I got a wierd error on the RC cd ... "Screen is not DRI capable.." turns out that kdm_greet09:55
mhb_StefanS_: eh?09:57
_StefanS_mhb: ah sorry it was for Riddell :D09:57
_StefanS_and i forgot a word09:57
_StefanS_I must be tired.. (again)09:57
mhb_StefanS_: tell me about it10:00
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ryanakcadoes kopete not start for anybody else?10:26
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jjesseslow day today?11:02
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jjessemsut be as i think i'm the only one here :)11:30
mhband it's sunday11:32
jjessejust a cold and rainy sunday here watching football11:33
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claydohIm here but I don't do any devel  stuff, so i don't truly count :)11:42
nosrednaekimyeah! youtube working in konqueror! thanks everyone!11:52
claydohreally?? sweet11:52
claydohsisnce d3lphin, I haven't used komq much the past few weeks11:53
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=== uga puzzles
ugakonqui has always worked with youtube here11:55
Riddellit's always worked for me11:55
buzin feisty it reliably eat up all cpu for me11:56
nosrednaekimI mean... its automatic :)11:56
ugabuz: that's nspluginviewer11:57
ugait'll keep doing so11:57
buzyeah i know11:57
buzactually it doesnt11:57
ugabuz: I keep killing it now and then11:57
buzwell it keeps *crashing* now and then ;)11:58
buzbut so far it very rarely started eating up all cpu on gutsy11:58
buzcant say i got gnash to work, though11:58
buzif i could use youtube et al in gnash, i'd kick flash far away11:58
mhbevening Riddell12:01
mhbdid I say something bad?12:15
nosrednaekimyeah... the "r" word12:15
mhbis it *that* bad? I always thought of it as an honorary title, like "your magnificence"12:16
nosrednaekimI have a machine gun and I Riddelled you.... does that sound honorary?12:17
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