[01:21] <yaccin> but why do i have to do all the stuff?
[01:21] <yaccin> i never can remember all this :(
[01:21] <boselecta> it's your program?
[01:22] <yaccin> on windows/cygwin i only do gcc wurzel.c and it works... id ont even have to include math.h
[01:22] <yaccin> yes
[01:22] <boselecta> yes well just because something compiles on a given compiler doesn't mean the code is bug-free.
[01:24] <yaccin> its the same code our teacher used :(
[01:24] <boselecta> please tell me it's not a university
[01:24] <lee_> sorry didnt mean to spam but I am gett highly flusterd  any ways there was a synatax error
[01:24] <yaccin> boselecta: it is -_-
[01:24] <yaccin> the teacher spent ~90 minutes on the hello world program
[01:24] <lee_> Your selection (1 or 2)? 1
[01:24] <lee_> /home/lee/Desktop/LiMaO-FF32wPlugins: line 144: syntax error near unexpected token `done'
[01:25] <lee_> an how the hadies do I register
[01:25] <boselecta> ?REDO FROM START
[01:25] <yaccin> LiMaO: what does that script do?
[01:25] <lee_> because not being abl to do a tell is right erking me off
[01:25] <yaccin> boselecta: i dont even know what is wrong with that code :/
[01:26] <lee_> I think its the os that is messed up
[01:26] <lee_> I am aobut to get rid of it
[01:26] <boselecta> OK. for one thing, main has a return type. so you really want int main(), and not main()
[01:26] <boselecta> and before the end of main() you want to return 0.
[01:27] <lee_> LiMaO it cam up wint a syntax error
[01:27] <boselecta> so that's what it means when it says "control reaches end of non-void function"
[01:27] <pwnt-> so I paid for some company broadcasting some tournoment online, and I'm trying to watch their broadcast right now, It doesn't work. is it from linux? :<
[01:27] <boselecta> you have to return an int for main. and its good practise to advertise that (main is perhaps the one example where you can return something without saying so)
[01:27] <lee_> how do I register this stupid thing
[01:28] <benny269>  any networking/wireless help? my wireless is broadcasting and ubuntu is configured for it, wireless light comes on but no internet?!
[01:28] <pwnt-> it doesn't say plugin missing or anythin
[01:28] <yaccin> boselecta: ok but why do i have to use that many options?
[01:28] <pwnt-> tournoment is October 14-20, 2007.
[01:28] <firefox90> What is the cmd to install Compiz manager for gutsy?
[01:28] <pwnt-> is it october 14th in the united states yet?
[01:28] <pwnt-> cause here in my country its already 14 Oct.
[01:29] <yaccin> firefox90: sudo apt-get install compizconfig*
[01:29] <firefox90> thanks
[01:29] <boselecta> yaccin: man gcc. but -W -Wall -pedantic -ansi are there to tell you if you've done something non-standard (extra warnings)
[01:29] <turgon> Would it work in Gutsy the 64-bit debian package available at WineHQ for Feisty amd64?
[01:29] <boselecta> -O3 is optimized code
[01:29] <lee_> so omne was askig waht is the code for..its supose to run soe tht 64 bits can run the 32 bit version of fire fox and have flash and java
[01:29] <boselecta> -lm tells it that it has to link against the math library
[01:30] <Timbooooo> did the new install of ubuntu help with wireless?
[01:30] <boselecta> and -o gives it the name of the executable output
[01:30] <firefox90> yaccin, it said it couldn't find package compizconfig
[01:30] <yaccin> boselecta: why do i have to tell gcc to link against math library?
[01:30] <lee_> ok how aobut it I get rid of KDE
[01:30] <firefox90> did I need that * at the end?
[01:30] <yaccin> firefox90: compizconfig*
[01:30] <yaccin> not compizconfig
[01:30] <benny269> timbooooo: mine stopped working with the new version?
[01:30] <lee_> and go with ubunto 64 bit
[01:30] <firefox90> oh got it, thanks
[01:30] <Timbooooo> benny269 that isnt good..
[01:30] <boselecta> how is it supposed to know, otherwise?
[01:31] <lee_> or send tht old code through
[01:31] <yaccin> #include <math.h>
[01:31] <yaccin> :)
[01:31] <benny269> i know i dont know how to fix it?
[01:31] <yaccin> thats how gcc should be supposed to know ^^
[01:31] <LiMaO> yaccin: it installs firefox32 + java + flash + mplayer plugins
[01:32] <pwnt-> I have ident2 installed, and port forwarded for identd. but why it's still not working, can someone help me with this plx
[01:32] <boselecta> there are two distinct steps going on. the #include declares the function you need for compiling. once it's compiled, it links. you're just doing it all on the same line
[01:32] <yaccin> LiMaO: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted*
[01:32] <LiMaO> lee_: first thing, when you run something, READ IT, but do not paste it all in the channel.. that's flooding
[01:32] <yaccin> :P
[01:32] <LiMaO> yaccin: on a 64bit machine, that is
[01:32] <yaccin> LiMaO: ah ok
[01:32] <LiMaO> lee_: are you there?
[01:33] <yaccin> boselecta: hmm but when i say, that i need that for compiling it should be obvious, that i need it for linking also?
[01:33] <pwnt-> SO identd help?
[01:34] <yaccin> so  #include <math.h> should imply -lm
[01:34] <yaccin> but obviously it doesnt...
[01:34] <lee_> yes Iam here I found a secndary terminal
[01:34] <MisterN> yaccin: quite obviously
[01:35] <MisterN> yaccin: compile and link are separate and separable steps
[01:35] <yaccin> MisterN: only on linux it seems
[01:35] <firefox90> yaccin, does this mean a correct installation? "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place"
[01:35] <yaccin> somebody should have told me :(
[01:35] <yaccin> firefox90: yes
[01:35] <yaccin> i also got that ^^
[01:35] <MisterN> yaccin: well, other systems don't separate the math library from the c library
[01:35] <LiMaO> lee_: wait a second, i'm fixing that syntax error and will resend you the script, ok?
[01:35] <lee_> LiMaO Iam here I found a second console utillity that is different
[01:36] <boselecta> yaccin no #include <math.h> does not imply -lm
[01:36] <lee_> ok
[01:36] <boselecta> you're right that somebody should have told you
[01:36] <yaccin> boselecta: on windows it does :(
[01:36] <lee_> ok I trashed it
[01:36] <yaccin> now i know more then my teacher :D
[01:36] <LiMaO> lee_: what was the script asking you when it gave the error?
[01:36] <MisterN> yaccin: no it doesn't
[01:36] <MisterN> yaccin: windows has no -lm
[01:37] <lee_> erg
[01:37] <yaccin> yes
[01:37] <lee_> something aobut line 144 or something
[01:37] <firefox90> What is the super key?
[01:37] <MisterN> yaccin: but this is no C channel
[01:37] <boselecta> and i wish i could come up with the reason it's like that, but the best i can do is that there are separate steps going on. #include is about compiling. -lm is about linking. if you wanted, you could do this on two separate lines, and then it would be more apparent.
[01:37] <firefox90> nvm
[01:37] <yaccin> thats why i didnt even thought about that linux had something like -lm
[01:37] <lee_> if you still there can you scroll up
[01:37] <yaccin> sorry :)
[01:37] <lee_> seeing how that boot ereased my lines
[01:37] <MisterN> yaccin: it's documented
[01:37] <MisterN> yaccin: but  of course, some things you just stumble upon and don't know before
[01:38] <yaccin> thanks :)
[01:38] <lee_> I think I just turned off the remeber line lol
[01:38] <lee_> oh wait never mind
[01:38] <lee_> oh wait jsut a sec Ill get it off my card
[01:38] <LiMaO> lee_: i understand it's line 144, but what was it asking you? did the script ask you if you wanted to make firefox32 the default browser?
[01:39] <boselecta> compile: gcc -W -Wall -ansi -pedantic -O3 -c wurzel.c
[01:39] <boselecta> link:  gcc -lm wurzel.o -o wurzel
[01:39] <lee_> it was asking if I wanted to to this yes  or no
[01:39] <boselecta> the linking step doesn't see the source code
[01:39] <lee_> when I said yes that is where the line errored at
[01:39] <lee_> it was right at the beginning
[01:39] <LiMaO> ok, i'll send you the script again
[01:40] <LiMaO> you run it
[01:40] <LiMaO> and tell me if it gives any error
[01:40] <LiMaO> but please READ what it will write on your screen
[01:40] <lee_> ok
[01:40] <LiMaO> i'm sending you the file, accept it
[01:41] <lee_> Your selection (1 or 2)? 1
[01:41] <lee_> /home/lee/Desktop/LiMaO-FF32wPlugins: line 144: syntax error near unexpected token `done'
[01:41] <lee_> taht is what it gave me
[01:42] <LiMaO> lee_: but what was it asking?? selection 1 or 2 is to install or uninstall and is not connected to line 144
[01:42] <LiMaO> i need to know WHAT the script asked you.. you answered 1 to WHAT question?
[01:43] <rust> hey, does anybody know where XGL writes it's logs when it's automatically started in gusty?
[01:44] <rust> I can't get xgl to start
[01:44] <LiMaO> lee_: run the new script i just sent you.. tell me if it gives the same error
[01:44] <yaccin> xgl sucks use aiglx :P
[01:44] <lee_> section 1
[01:44] <lee_> ok
[01:44] <yaccin> rust: what graphics card do you use?
[01:44] <rust> yaccin: Probably will do from monday/tuesday!
[01:45] <rust> yaccin: ati, need to use fglrx
[01:45] <yaccin> why do you NEED fglrx=
[01:45] <yaccin> ?
[01:46] <rust> no aiglx support for my card in the open drive
[01:46] <lee_> wahts the comand for changing to desktop?
[01:46] <rust> yaccin: at least that's why I assume I NEED it :)
[01:46] <lee_> Just a sec I am down loading the other console
[01:47] <LiMaO> lee_: RIGHT CLICK on the script file and chose RUN IN TERMINAL
[01:47] <LiMaO> no need to use command line
[01:48] <LiMaO> lee_: wait, trash (delete) that script i sent you
[01:48] <LiMaO> gotta change something
[01:48] <lee_> ok I think I found the issue, I do not have terminal and Iam dl right now
[01:48] <boselecta> yaccin: sorry i'm not a registered user. i can't msg you (although i have sent several)
[01:48] <yaccin> lee_: terminal = konsole
[01:48] <LiMaO> lee_: you did have terminal.. terminal = console = konsole
[01:49] <lee_> oh eh wel lIhave 2 now lol
[01:49] <yaccin> boselecta: ah its ok, i think i got an explanation in #gcc :)
[01:49] <lee_> scrpt deleted and ereased
[01:50] <lee_> eh well I have terminal now lol
[01:51] <LiMaO> lee_: i'll send you the correct script, with everything fixed
[01:51] <lee_> ok
[01:52] <LiMaO> lee_: accept the file
[01:52] <LiMaO> after it's finished downloading, just right click on it
[01:52] <lee_> I did and it over wrote the other
[01:52] <LiMaO> are you sure it wrote over?
[01:53] <firefox90> Where is the setting where I can change the number of desktops I have?
[01:53] <LiMaO> lee_: now right click the file and choose 'run in terminal'
[01:53] <yaccin> firefox90: in compiz?
[01:53] <yaccin> general settings
[01:53] <firefox90> Yes
[01:53] <yaccin> *general options
[01:53] <LiMaO> lee_: are you still with me?
[01:53] <yaccin> on the "Desktop Size" tab
[01:54] <firefox90> Ok nvm, how do I change the number of regular old desktops
[01:54] <firefox90> (bottom right corner)
[01:54] <yaccin> gnome or kde?
[01:54] <LiMaO> firefox90: right click the bottom right corner icon
[01:55] <LiMaO> firefox90: and choose preferences
[01:55] <firefox90> ah
[01:56] <lee_> its executing
[01:56] <yaccin> LiMaO: apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras should work for 64bit, shouldnt it?
[01:56] <lee_> and at 100 percent by the time Ima finished
[01:56] <disconnected> my wireless doesnt work with - wep protection any idea why?
[01:56] <LiMaO> there's no 64bit java
[01:56] <LiMaO> lee_: is it done?
[01:56] <LiMaO> lee_: i recommend you to choose to make firefox32 your default browser
[01:57] <lee_> no its munching still
[01:57] <yaccin> LiMaO: so what happens when you try to install kubuntu-restricted-extras on a 64bit kubuntu? ^^
[01:57] <lee_> I will
[01:57] <LiMaO> yaccin: i dunno.. i don't use kubuntu here =/
[01:57] <lee_> I chose 1
[01:58] <lee_> hers the screwy thing it accept the file form the card not the desk top
[01:58] <lee_> now isnt that a screwy t hing
[01:58] <rust> *bump* anybody had problems with xgl starting with fglrx?
[01:59] <lee_> its still munching
[01:59] <rust> I used to run the trevinos repo and have already removed all the old compiz packages and reinstalled.
[01:59] <rust> I'm not using my old xgl gdm session, just the default gnome one
[02:00] <lee_> ERROR: Certificate verification error for help.ubuntu.com: unable to get local issuer certificate
[02:00] <lee_> lol
[02:00] <rust> fglrxinfo says im running the fglrx driver (not mesa) and glxinfo reports that I have direct rendering.
[02:00] <lee_> eh it didnt alow me to say y lol
[02:01] <LiMaO> lee_: oh well, let me use another source for that download
[02:01] <lee_> it jsut ran over its self
[02:01] <LiMaO> wait a second and i'll send you a new version
[02:01] <lee_> ok
[02:01] <rust> I have uninstalled xgl-server and reinstalled and still nothing
[02:01] <rust> when I try to log in it waits for about 10 seconds then gdm restarts.
[02:02] <LiMaO> lee_: delete that script
[02:02] <lee_> Idid
[02:02] <Demize> I've found a bug in Gusty, where do I file it?
[02:03] <disconnected> does anybody else know of the bug where the login name and password are oversized for the dialog box?
[02:03] <lee_> ok I delted it from my card..it seems that this thing prefers cards then the desktop methid lol
[02:03] <rust> disconnected: do you mean why?
[02:04] <lee_> I actaully dragged and dropped it into the conole
[02:04] <disconnected> rust: well yes are you familiar with it and know how to solve it?
[02:04] <rust> disconnected: im no ubuntu guru  but I've had something very similar
[02:04] <rust> disconnected: it also knackered subtitles in VLC
[02:05] <rust> disconnected: it was gnome mis-detecting my DPI.
[02:05] <LiMaO> lee_: accept the new script file and run it
[02:05] <lee_> Ihad to save it though it seems that I don't have the right click option
[02:05] <rust> disconnected: (you know what that means?)
[02:05] <disconnected> rust: dont have vlc yet but when i type in my username the letters behind the letterbox are huge and you can only see an edge or 2 to make out what it is? same thing you had?
[02:05] <LiMaO> lee_: run the new version now
[02:05] <rust> disconnected: sounds the same
[02:06] <disconnected> rust: have you fixed it or not?
[02:06] <rust> disconnected: I have, just trying to remember how
[02:06] <rust> disconnected: it was simple (to forget!)
[02:08] <disconnected> rust: i cant even think how to word the problem to google it? :S
[02:09] <rust> disconnected: dpi ubuntu huge font
[02:09] <rust> disconnected: im sure that's how I found it
[02:09] <rust> disconnected: here you go: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2126521,00.asp
[02:10] <lee_> its executing though it said file already found lol but its over riding it
[02:11] <lee_> is the "yes on the finaly part auto"?
[02:11] <rust> disconnected: I'm pretty sure that the command listed worked for me.  But im not giving any guarantees :)
[02:11] <LiMaO> lee_: i did not understand your question
[02:11] <levander> Has anyone gotten instiki up and running on Gutsty?  I've got it up and running (from Rubygems) on Feisty, but no idea if I'll lose all my stuff because instiki won't run on Gutsy.
[02:11] <lee_> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[02:11] <Demize> Has anyone other than me experienced a black window when a window is opened, sometimes updating when the window is moved and sometimes staying black?
[02:11] <Demize> !bugreport
[02:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bugreport - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:12] <Demize> !bug
[02:12] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[02:12] <lee_> jsut a sec scanning the the hting
[02:12] <rust> !xgl
[02:12] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:12] <lee_> my question was was the last option that siad yes or no was it an automatic yes?
[02:13] <LiMaO> lee_: no automatic thing, you gotta answer it
[02:13] <lee_> because I was cahtitng and it did even alow me to answer it
[02:13] <lee_> ok it never allowed me to
[02:13] <lee_> on the final part
[02:13] <lee_> shoud I try executing the browser>?
[02:14] <disconnected> rust: which of these commands am i using?
[02:14] <lee_> wahts the comand line for fire fox
[02:14] <lee_> firefox32?
[02:14] <LiMaO> lee_: if you chose to make it your default browser just open firefox how you would before running the script
[02:14] <LiMaO> or use firefox32
[02:14] <rust> disconnected: actually I've just seen it in the new appearance tab
[02:15] <lee_> so either way then ok
[02:15] <lee_> testing it
[02:15] <rust> disconnected: go to the system menu -> preferences -> appearance
[02:15] <LiMaO> lee_: yesterday you followed my instructions and got it working. we're gonna make it work today again hehe
[02:15] <rust> disconnected: then the fonts tab, then click the details button
[02:16] <disconnected> rust: what's your setting?
[02:16] <rust> disconnected: and there is a box for resolution (DPI).  Depends on your monitor.
[02:16] <rust> disconnected: start with 96.
[02:16] <joe_> does anyone know anything about dual booting I just installed gutsy on my laptop w xp
[02:16] <disconnected> rust: my monitor is a 15.4 wide and 96 works fine for me, its just the login i want to change, not anything else?
[02:17] <usser> joe_: windows was there before gutsy?
[02:17] <lee_> trying to ecute fire fox32
[02:17] <joe_> I created a fat32 partition during the gutsy install.  the fat32 shows up in windows but not in ubuntu?
[02:17] <usser> joe_: then everything should be dandy
[02:17] <Ximal> hi guys
[02:17] <lee_> didnt run
[02:17] <joe_> yes windows was there first
[02:17] <LiMaO> lee_: let me fix it for you
[02:17] <lee_> and that other way said plug ins needed
[02:17] <usser> joe_: windows boots fine?
[02:17] <LiMaO> lee_: first thing, you gotta follow my next instructions precisely
[02:17] <rust> disconnected: I have no idea on the maths.
[02:17] <Ximal> you gotta mount it joe..
[02:17] <LiMaO> lee_: do you want me to access your computer and fix it for you?
[02:17] <usser> joe_: u most likely have to add it to fstab manually
[02:17] <lee_> ok you want me to just remove fire fox?
[02:17] <Ximal> yeah..
[02:18] <lee_> and relaod it
[02:18] <Ximal> tryo using gparted
[02:18] <LiMaO> lee_: no, do not remove it
[02:18] <joe_> usser how do I do that?
[02:18] <Ximal> gparted will show if the partition is even showing up
[02:18] <rust> disconnected: and you have a point about setting it in gnome
[02:18] <lee_> ok
[02:18] <LiMaO> lee_: there's no need to uninstall anything
[02:18] <LiMaO> lee_: i will give you some commands to type on the terminal
[02:18] <lee_> ok
[02:18] <LiMaO> you type it
[02:18] <lee_> ok
[02:18] <usser> joe_: install gparted
[02:18] <disconnected> rust: well no problem but like i said changing the dpi changes the WHOLE desktop and its only the login letterbox we want to change
[02:18] <LiMaO> and i'll see your computer screen, ok?
[02:18] <lee_> ok I cleared that line
[02:18] <usser> joe_: sudo apt-get install gparted
[02:18] <rust> disconnected: sorry I, can't remember how I fixed it exactly but it was definately with a dpi setting
[02:19] <rust> disconnected: yep, you need to set the dpi for X not gnome
[02:19] <LiMaO> lee_: type on the termina:  sudo apt-get install x11vnc
[02:19] <lee_> by the way it likes the card that I have been using lol..it executes everytime
[02:19] <usser> joe_: when installed open it up and find your fat32 partition name
[02:19] <disconnected> rust: what is X?
[02:19] <rust> disconnected: im not a guru, maybe somebody else knows?
[02:19] <Ximal> Quick question guys...
[02:19] <rust> !X
[02:19] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:19] <usser> joe_: after that try sudo mount /dev/partname /mnt
[02:19] <usser> joe_: see if it mounts ok
[02:19] <LiMaO> lee_: i do not understand what you mean by 'card'
[02:19] <rust> disconnected: read the message from ubotu
[02:19] <Ximal> is there any way to build a box ... that is linux specific friendly with the hardware ?
[02:20] <LiMaO> lee_: type    sudo apt-get install x11vnc
[02:20] <LiMaO> on the konsole
[02:20] <usser> joe_: if it does gksu gedit /etc/fstab
[02:20] <lee_> my sd card
[02:20] <lee_> its executing
[02:21] <LiMaO> lee_: ok, tell me when it's done
[02:21] <lee_> its done
[02:21] <usser> joe_: and add something like that /dev/partname /media/winshare      auto    defaults        0       2
[02:21] <disconnected> rust: the fixvideoresolution bit?
[02:21] <dublpaws> which kernel is gutsy going to ship with?
[02:21] <rust> disconnected: you asked what X was.
[02:21] <Ximal> not sure
[02:21] <usser> dublpaws: 2.6.22-14 probably
[02:21] <Ximal> but gutsy is My favorite edition of linux..
[02:22] <usser> joe_: ?
[02:22] <dublpaws> thanks usser
[02:22] <Ximal> it's the nicest one and it works with my wireless laptop
[02:22] <Ximal> lol
[02:22] <joe_> working on it
[02:22] <joe_> thanks
[02:22] <rust> disconnected: it's not your solution.  but this might be http://xubuntulinux.blogspot.com/2006/07/ubuntu-set-correct-dpi-for-x-server.html
[02:22] <LiMaO> and tell me when it's done
[02:22] <lee_> wahts taht?
[02:22] <usser> joe_: oh ok
[02:22] <LiMaO> lee_: that's the command needed for me to view your screen and help you
[02:23] <pwnt-> whats the different between "update-manager -d -c" & "update-manager -d"
[02:23] <lee_> ok
[02:23] <pwnt-> i mean what is -c
[02:23] <Ximal> is there a way to take all the installed apps and get them burned to a disc ... including special drivers ... so that when you reinstall buntu on a newer machine you can keep them.. kindof like a package install ?
[02:23] <LiMaO> then after you type that, just keep looking at your screen, and do not be afraid, i'm gonna fix it for you
[02:23] <lee_> so now waht do I executeok
[02:23] <lee_> will do I understnad what it is
[02:23] <Ximal> errr when you install applications.. are they saved to a certain folder ?
[02:23] <Ximal> that might be easier to answer
[02:24] <usser> Ximal: u want aptoncd
[02:24] <lee_> can you see waht I have up so far?
[02:24] <LiMaO> lee_: no man, wait
[02:24] <usser> Ximal: and yes they are saved in /var/cache/apt/archive
[02:24] <usser> s
[02:24] <joe_> usser how do I find gparted once its installed
[02:24] <LiMaO> lee_: did you type the command i gave you?
[02:24] <usser> err archives
[02:24] <lee_> yes
[02:24] <Ximal> thank you usser
[02:24] <LiMaO> the command that starts with    x11vnc
[02:24] <usser> joe_: just type in console gparted
[02:24] <Ximal> joe _ : go to terminal and type gparted
[02:24] <LiMaO> you gotta type it in konsole
[02:25] <Ximal> it's also in system menu
[02:25] <LiMaO> and do not close konsole
[02:25] <usser> LiMaO: lol its never gonna work, he's probably behind the router of some sort
[02:25] <Ximal> orgasm !
[02:25] <Ximal> err !orgasm
[02:25] <Ximal> !orgasm
[02:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about orgasm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:25] <Ximal> lol
[02:25] <LiMaO> usser: well, let's test it hehe
[02:25] <lee_> I cut and pasted it
[02:25] <usser> Ximal: but aptoncd is better option
[02:25] <axjv> O_O
[02:25] <Ximal> yes... usser it is.. it just saved me ALOT of problems !
[02:25] <usser> Ximal: no messing around
[02:25] <axjv> !anything
[02:25] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[02:26] <axjv> =(
[02:26] <Ximal> lol @ botu
[02:26] <usser> ahahaha
[02:26] <usser> smarty pants
[02:26] <lee_> Unpacking x11vnc (from .../x11vnc_0.8.2-2_amd64.deb) ...
[02:26] <lee_> Setting up x11vnc (0.8.2-2) ...
[02:26] <Ximal> owner of ubotu ... show yurself !
[02:26] <axjv> The bot is mean.
[02:26] <Ximal> lol
[02:26] <lee_> taths waht it gave me
[02:26] <LiMaO> lee_: that's ok
[02:26] <Ximal> the bot owner is watching us.. LOL
[02:26] <LiMaO> now there's one more command
[02:26] <pwnt-> My gutsy has problems, I click "Show hidden files" while im browsing in file browser. And it doesn't show them. WHY
[02:26] <LiMaO> i cannot write it in the channel
[02:26] <LiMaO> so pay attention to the tabs
[02:27] <LiMaO> i will send a private message
[02:27] <lee_> ok
[02:27] <usser> joe_: hows it going?
[02:27] <axjv> !ubotu
[02:27] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:27] <Zasch> Hello. When Gutsy comes out in a bit, what exactly is it going to change? Am I going to have to reinstall Ubuntu or anything?
[02:27] <Ximal> !hello ubotu
[02:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hello ubotu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:27] <Ximal> ughh..
[02:27] <LiMaO> lee_: did you see the tab with my name?
[02:27] <Ximal> ok.. nough playing around.. sorry usser
[02:27] <LiMaO> lee_: read what's written on it
[02:27] <Ximal> I was hoping it had some type of interaction/karma system
[02:27] <lee_> success
[02:28] <lee_> to much to read lol
[02:28] <LiMaO> lee
[02:28] <LiMaO> did you typed that command?
[02:28] <lee_> ok
[02:28] <lee_> yes
[02:28] <joe_> usser : found the name /dev/hda4 but having issue in terminal, one minute
[02:28] <disconnected> rust: that link just gives you cmdline to change the dpi same as in the system>prefs menu
[02:28] <LiMaO> lee_: the one i wrote on the private message?
[02:29] <LiMaO> what happened after you typed it?
[02:29] <rust> disconnected: the first one does, try the last link I sent
[02:29] <lee_> it executed a bunch of code
[02:29] <Dannilion> does anyone know why I get sound but only a green fuzzy picture when trying to watch videos on my gutsy desktop box? It's on every player I have on there.
[02:29] <lee_> 13/10/2007 17:27:41 deleted 0 tile_row polling images.
[02:30] <lee_> whit that at the ending
[02:30] <rust> disconnected: it's for X.  Like I said im not at the compu I had a problem with so I can't check what I did and I can't remember, but it was to do with DPI
[02:30] <lee_> something aobut rena mming mouse
[02:30] <rust> disconnected: just keep searching google for ubuntu huge fonts login
[02:30] <lee_> and  jsut a sec
[02:31] <LiMaO> lee_: you want an honest suggestion? reinstall your system. use a 32bit system.
[02:31] <lee_> ok it gave me this
[02:31] <lee_> 13/10/2007 17:27:41 passing arg to libvncserver: -f
[02:31] <lee_> 13/10/2007 17:27:41 passing arg to libvncserver: -passwd
[02:31] <LiMaO> lee_: download 32bit feisty
[02:31] <LiMaO> DO NOT FLOOD THE CHANNEL
[02:31] <LiMaO> there's no need to paste the command output
[02:32] <lee_> no I was giving 2 lines only
[02:32] <lee_> how did we have it opperational last time?
[02:32] <lee_> or is my system goin into security of somekind
[02:33] <joe_> usser:  says-   mount point /mount does not exist
[02:33] <lee_> I have it on disk Ill ge tit
[02:33] <lee_> grrrrrr
[02:33] <Ximal> usser : why won't it let me select non-free's ?
[02:33] <lee_> hiow aobut if I go with 64 bit fiesty
[02:33] <lee_> and trash k?
[02:34] <lee_> or waht ever this thing is?
[02:34] <LiMaO> lee_: run the script i gave you (the latest version).. and choose OPTION 2 (uninstall) .. then try it again and choose OPTION 1 (install)
[02:34] <disconnected> is there any simple solution for all the added extras needed on a fresh install.......ie codecs, support for file formats, useful progs etc?
[02:34] <usser> joe_: what was the command that gave u this?
[02:34] <LiMaO> lee_: try what i just said...
[02:34] <usser> Ximal: non-free's?
[02:34] <lee_> I delted the last version
[02:34] <LiMaO> lee_: i'll send it again
[02:34] <LiMaO> i'm sending it, accept it
[02:34] <joe_> what irc app is there to use in ubuntu gutsy.  I'm using Konversation on my other machine?
[02:34] <Ximal> like flash plugin
[02:34] <lee_> ok
[02:34] <Ximal> i don't wanna have to grab it later.. grrr
[02:35] <Powerking> joe, should be GAIM
[02:35] <Dannilion> xchat?
[02:35] <Powerking> or Pidgin, if they used that, (I dont have Gutsy just yet)
[02:35] <Powerking> might be xchat as well
[02:35] <axjv> joe_: I use chatzilla (firefox plugin, allows me to browse at the same time
[02:35] <joe_> usser sudo mount /dev/hda4 /mount
[02:35] <LiMaO> if anyone here needs java + flash + mplayer plugins on a 64bit system, just let me know, i have a script that will do it all
[02:35] <usser> joe_: oh u have to create /mount first
[02:35] <axjv> Err, firefox EXTENSION, I mean.
[02:35] <usser> joe_: but one already exists /mnt
[02:36] <usser> joe_: so try to mount it there
[02:36] <usser> Ximal: hm apt-get flashplugin-nonfree ?
[02:36] <axjv> Do you guys know of any fixes for the video not staying on the cube face in compiz?
[02:36] <axjv> Like, if I play a video.
[02:37] <axjv> In mplayer, vlc, or totem.
[02:37] <joe_> usser like so:  sudo mount /dev/hda4 /mnt
[02:37] <LiMaO> lee_: read your private message
[02:37] <usser> joe_: yep
[02:37] <Powerking> axjv, thats an issue with compiz, from what i've been told its a problem they do not have a fix for
[02:38] <Ximal> usser : hmm.. i wanna BackUP the non-free plugins/aps
[02:38] <Powerking> It deals with the app, some Java apps do that (if not all Java Apps)
[02:38] <axjv> Powerking: Oh, so the bug will still be present in the official release?
[02:38] <LiMaO> lee_: are you there??
[02:38] <usser> Ximal: oh that never happening :)
[02:38] <jtt> since the RC is out can anyone tell me how it differs from the daily cdimages?
[02:38] <Powerking> axjv: I would suppose so
[02:38] <lee_> yeah I am here
[02:39] <LiMaO> lee_: read my tab, the private message
[02:39] <lee_> It uninstaleld
[02:39] <Ximal> it will if i got something to do about it.. I just wish I knew the command/way to alter aptoncd to remove protection
[02:39] <usser> Ximal: what does it say anyway?
[02:39] <Ximal> * guess it's time to buy "hacking ubuntu" *
[02:39] <LiMaO> lee_: now read the private message
[02:39] <usser> Ximal: hang on
[02:39] <LiMaO> lee_: i need you to type that command (the one in the private message)
[02:40] <lee_> it has been typed in
[02:40] <usser> joe_: once u done that if there was no error do cd /mnt
[02:40] <LiMaO> ok, now wait
[02:40] <lee_> and exectuted
[02:40] <usser> joe_: and sudo mkdir aaa
[02:40] <LiMaO> lee_: the last command?
[02:40] <usser> joe_: if u see that aaa there then it mounted fine
[02:40] <LiMaO> lee_: can you read my private messages?
[02:40] <lee_> 13/10/2007 17:39:51 deleted 0 tile_row polling images.
[02:41] <LiMaO> lee_: the command was different
[02:41] <LiMaO> lee_: you probably typed the same command from before
[02:41] <LiMaO> look carefully at the command, and type it in your konsole
[02:41] <lee_> I actually cut and pasted it
[02:42] <LiMaO> lee_: but did you read the latest message that i sent you?
[02:42] <pwnt-> why does ubuntu make everything in one partition, I'm confused
[02:42] <lee_> yes
[02:42] <joe_> usser: I did that, where am I supposed to see the aaa or my drive?
[02:42] <lee_> I tpyed the whole thing in
[02:42] <lee_> or pasted it..
[02:43] <LiMaO> lee_: try running the script i sent you.. choose to INSTALL it now (option 1)
[02:43] <LiMaO> if it doesn't work, give up and download ubuntu feisty 32bit
[02:43] <LiMaO> and you will have no problems with it
[02:43] <lee_> ok
[02:43] <lee_> I wish I new why my stem was locking you out
[02:43] <nomasteryoda> oh my... still working that firefox32?
[02:43] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[02:44] <LiMaO> lol
[02:44] <LiMaO> nomasteryoda: you see how patient i am
[02:44] <nomasteryoda> +D
[02:44] <LiMaO> heheh
[02:44] <nomasteryoda> dang right
[02:45] <usser> joe_: the mount didnt give any errors?
[02:45] <usser> joe_: open up file manager as root and navigate to that /mnt folder
[02:45] <LiMaO> the script is suberb.. it almost talks to the user.. and still he gets errors heh
[02:45] <[MH] NarcismLapto> Anyone know why 7.10 install crashes after in LiveMode after it checks my partitions?
[02:45] <nomasteryoda> hey, let it install festival and it could .. .hehe
[02:45] <lee_> mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/local/': File exists
[02:46] <usser> joe_: did u fat32 partition have any files before, u should see them in /mnt
[02:46] <pwnt-> so why nobody answer me here. My 4th question and it got ignored too.
[02:46] <lee_> but its continuing
[02:46] <joe_> usser no errors
[02:46] <pwnt-> am I invisible
[02:46] <rust> pwnt-: why wouldn't you want everything in 1 partition?
[02:46] <lee_> ok now taht it has done this
[02:46] <joe_> usser how do I open file manager as root?
[02:46] <LiMaO> lee_: oh wait
[02:46] <LiMaO> lee_: let me change something
[02:46] <usser> joe_: so it probably worked, gksu nautilus
[02:46] <pwnt-> rust: I want swap for ram. and saparate partition for /home incase I want a recovery or something bad happens.
[02:46] <lee_> ok  unistalling it then
[02:47] <rust> pwnt-: Is there no way during the install of doing that?  (Can't say I've installed ubuntu from scratch in quite a while)
[02:47] <usser> pwnt-: ubuntu is aimed at users most of them dont know about partitioning so it doesnt bother with partitioning
[02:47] <rust> pwnt-: it should have set you up a swap partition during the install
[02:48] <Powerking> rust, you need to manually partition your drives during install
[02:48] <joe_> usser: found it
[02:48] <pwnt-> rust: no i have no swap
[02:48] <rust> Powerking: really, get that.  I've only ever installed ubuntu twice, once on my home and once at work!
[02:48] <lee_> ok I have had no problems once isaved it to the card ad do things
[02:48] <LiMaO> lee_: uninstall it... and delete that script.. i'l send you one that will get it done
[02:48] <lee_> when it comes from any other fil ....ferget it
[02:48] <usser> joe_: so u're convinced its your partition? ;)
[02:48] <pwnt-> usser: I checked up my partitions. I have no swap. no other partition, everything is on 1 single partition.
[02:49] <Powerking> rust: relax, I used the wrong user :p
[02:49] <rust> lol
[02:49] <[MH] NarcismLapto> My install doesn't go that far, I crash after it starts the partitioner...
[02:49] <usser> pwnt-: its the default scheme as ppl mentioned u should have selected manual partitioning during setup
[02:49] <joe_> usser: yes it is 55 gig and has some folders I put onit
[02:49] <lee_> ok it is deletd
[02:49] <LiMaO> lee_: i'm sending you the new file, accept it
[02:49] <usser> pwnt-: theres a way to change the partitions once ubuntu installed but its not at all trivial
[02:49] <Pseudo> Alright, I was told compiz fusion was pre-packaged with Ubuntu 7.10 beta, but compiz --replace isn't working and  I don't have the preferences. Any ideas?
[02:49] <rust> Powerking: I wasn't being sarky, i didn't remember you had to manually do it
[02:50] <usser> joe_: so now lets move to fstab
[02:50] <usser> joe_: gksu gedit /etc/fstab
[02:50] <usser> joe_: make sure /dev/hda4 isnt there already
[02:50] <tatters> is the Encrypted Filesystems Installer available in gutsy already?
[02:50] <Powerking> rust: its all cool :D
[02:50] <rust> pwnt-: on the bright side, if you nuke your install you can always boot a live cd to get your /home files/
[02:51] <usser> joe_: add this to the end /dev/hda4 /winshare     auto    defaults        0       2
[02:51] <pwnt-> rust: how do i get my home files on livecd when they are all in same partition i dont get it
[02:51] <pwnt-> usser: can i fix my partitions after installation and not lose updates/files etc?
[02:51] <joe_> usser: quick question first-  hda1 which is my windows ntfs part shows up on the desktop and in media.  When we are done wil this part be there too?
[02:51] <usser> joe_: dont forget to create a mount point. sudo mkdir /winshare
[02:51] <rust> pwnt-: I guess there was an assumption there that you have a USB key or Cd writer
[02:51] <pwnt-> I don't even have gutsy livecd. I got fiesty and upgraded to gutsy with "sudo update-manager -d"
[02:52] <Davy_Jones> i wanna request a feature in evince.. is this the right channel?
[02:52] <usser> joe_: yea sure we arent changing it
[02:52] <lee_> it executed and completed
[02:52] <usser> pwnt-: yes u can but its not trivial
[02:52] <LiMaO> lee_: now close all your firefox
[02:52] <lee_> with no pauses in its execion
[02:52] <rust> pwnt-: you can recover files from an ubuntu install using a suse live cd if you wanted.
[02:52] <lee_> eh fir fox was aloready closed
[02:52] <LiMaO> now run it
[02:53] <LiMaO> either with firefox32
[02:53] <rust> pwnt-: to be honest it's probably not worth worrying about until it happens.
[02:53] <lee_> any o way
[02:53] <LiMaO> or if you made it the default browser just load it normally
[02:53] <pwnt-> rust: allright
[02:53] <lee_> ok
[02:53] <joe_> usser: no I mean Is there a way for the fat32 part to be on desktop and media so its easily accessible?
[02:53] <pwnt-> usser: how to check on my all partitions?
[02:53] <rust> pwnt-: and if it IS worth worrying about then just putting it on another patition wouldn't cut it, you should be backing it up!
[02:54] <pwnt-> rust: back it up in where? a cd or online?
[02:54] <usser> joe_: yes u can add it there i dont know how its done in gnome in kde u can just right click and *add link to device* to the desktop
[02:54] <rust> pwnt-: either.
[02:54] <lee_> no go
[02:55] <pwnt-> rust: what you usually do to backup your files.
[02:55] <LiMaO> lee_: run the script again
[02:55] <lee_> what was the verry first script you enst me taht worked?
[02:55] <LiMaO> use the INSTALL option
[02:55] <lee_> ok
[02:55] <LiMaO> lee_: that 1st script does the same as this one
[02:55] <rust> pwnt-: At home I only back up my photos, and they go on an external hard disk
[02:55] <rust> pwnt-:  and CD, and a website!
[02:55] <lee_> ok going to it closing fire fox or leave it open
[02:55] <LiMaO> close it all
[02:56] <LiMaO> run the script and tell me what happens
[02:56] <LiMaO> no need to paste
[02:56] <tatters> is encrypted filesystem installer an option yet in gutsy installation process?#
[02:56] <lee_> ok
[02:56] <LiMaO> just tell me if it asks everything, if it does everything
[02:56] <joe_> usser, If I have everything working in gnome like I want it, like wireless and media (flash, wmv) and I add on the kde desktop should everything still work fine?
[02:56] <lee_> ok closing everything including the chat
[02:56] <Davy_Jones> i wanna request a feature in evince.. is this the right channel?
[02:57] <Powerking89670> Davy_Jones: This is the Ubuntu Gutsy Help Channel
[02:58] <just-nj> Hi there, just installed gutsy on my acer aspire and the usb ports have stopp
[02:58] <usser> joe_: hows it going?
[02:58] <just-nj> ed working
[02:58] <just-nj> Hey joe
[02:58] <wabz> hi, I'm trying to upgrade to gutsy, the updater thing has been sitting on upgrading gcj for a good half hour now (and doesn't seem to be getting anywhere) - what should I do?
[02:58] <rust> davy_jones: try http://www.gnome.org/projects/evince/
[02:58] <Davy_Jones> Powerking89670: there doesn't seem to be a #evince channel
[02:58] <Davy_Jones> thansk rust
[02:58] <Davy_Jones> thanks*
[02:58] <rust> Davy_Jones: np
[02:58] <boselecta> 15 seconds to comply
[02:59] <joe_> usser:  I'm used to using kde but in ver 6.10 I could never get wireless working on my hp laptop.  with gutsy gnome I was surprised how easy it was.
[02:59] <dav-e> Are there any plans to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/24124 ?  I just got hit by that bug and it ruined by ubuntu installation...
[02:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 24124 in kdebase "Screen Saver doesnt unlock during upgrade" [Medium,Incomplete] 
[02:59] <rust> ouch!
[02:59] <joe_> usser: working on it.
[03:00] <dav-e> er, my installation
[03:01] <Powerking89670> dav-e: Thats a nasty bug, it destoryed the recovery console and everything?
[03:01] <TreMobyl> Davy_Jones: #evince on irc.gnome.org
[03:02] <lee_> it failed but..
[03:02] <Davy_Jones> TreMobyl: perfect
[03:02] <lee_> I think there is a reason why
[03:02] <TreMobyl> Davy_Jones: de nada
[03:02] <lee_> Your selection (y/n): connected.
[03:02] <lee_> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
[03:02] <joe_> usser:  in fstab I think hda4 may already be there?
[03:03] <usser> joe_: whats the line?
[03:03] <usser> joe_: paste it here
[03:03] <lee_> 301 moved permently is not a good thing to have lol
[03:03] <dav-e> I was able to get in recovery console, but not launch the gui or anything.  So ATM I'm just going to wipe that partition and start anew, once I can figure out a way to customize the CD with what to install from within XP
[03:03] <wabz> this is gay, how do I make the distribution upgrade continue past gcj?
[03:04] <LiMaO> lee_: PLEASE, reinstall your system. download Ubuntu (with gnome) FEISTY 32bit
[03:04] <lee_> erg
[03:04] <lee_> ok
[03:04] <lee_> wht the heck is it doing?
[03:04] <LiMaO> is WHAT doing?
[03:04] <lee_> ok shutitng down and rein stalling
[03:04] <LiMaO> ok
[03:05] <lee_> my computer
[03:05] <Powerking89670> wabz: gcj is the gnu java compiler
[03:05] <Davy_Jones> /server irc.gnome.org
[03:05] <lee_> assside form being a total ...
[03:05] <Powerking89670> wabz: Do you plan on compiling any Java?
[03:05] <joe_> usser:  I cant paste or copy.   thats why Im a little slow.  using Konversation on another machine.  I don't know how to find the irc client on gutsy knome
[03:05] <lee_> ok shutting down
[03:06] <usser> joe_: is there like a long line UID="..." and on the line after that #/dev/hda4
[03:06] <wabz> Powerking89670: Yes I do, I know what gcj is, the problem is that the update process is stuck on it (dpkg has been going on it for quite a while now)
[03:06] <Davy_Jones> 1
[03:06] <usser> joe_: UUID
[03:06] <usser> sorry
[03:07] <Powerking89670> wabz: give me 30seconds to check something so your entire installation is not ruined :p
[03:07] <orionr> hey
[03:07] <joe_> usser:  # /dev/hda4 then a line under uuid=457...    /windows  vfat  defaults... 0    1
[03:07] <orionr> im having a problem with my ati card and desktop effects when i click enable it says "component extension is not available"
[03:08] <orionr> i have an ati video card
[03:08] <usser> joe_: can u pastebin it from that other machine
[03:09] <rust> Ok people, I'm begging now.  Does anybody know about XGL (im in xgl hell)
[03:09] <usser> joe_: www.pastebin.ca
[03:09] <Powerking89670> wabz: I'm looking into weither pressing ctrl + c will skip that one installation, or cancel the entire upgrade
[03:10] <wabz> the "Distribution Upgrade" window has become unresponsive btw
[03:11] <joe_> usser: 735985
[03:11] <Powerking89670> Ahh, well then, I suppose we have no other options then...are you setup for pm's? (IE Registered on this server)
[03:11] <wabz> yes
[03:11] <Powerking89670> okay I'm going to continue this in Pm
[03:11] <wabz> can't wait ;)
[03:11] <joe_> http://www.pastebin.ca/735985
[03:12] <joe_> usser:  I think it was already mounted, I just didn't know how to find it.  I found it now uner /windows
[03:12] <usser> joe_: oh u're all set man, it was there from the beggining
[03:12] <usser> joe_: yea :)
[03:13] <usser> joe_: can u create files there though
[03:13] <joe_> usser: let my try
[03:17] <MTecknology> I installed git, but I can't use the command git
[03:17] <bqmassey> how do i get a mac style toolbar, as can be seen in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk1w
[03:18] <joe_> usser: yeah I saved on office document there.  any idea in gnome how put the drive on desktop or places like the ntfs is?
[03:18] <PSPJunkie> Hey
[03:19] <usser> joe_: try rightclicking see if it lets u add shortcuts/links
[03:19] <PSPJunkie> I was having problems with my wifi card in the first beta of kubuntu, so i updated to the rc and now that works. Unfortunately, my laptop will not charge anymore. Has anyone had similar problems?
[03:20] <mattg> so why should i upgrade???
[03:24] <PSPJunkie> Hm. No one?
[03:24] <PSPJunkie> It's a rather important feature with a laptop xD
[03:24] <Dannilion> I have no idea why your laptop has stopped charging
[03:24] <bqmassey> there any good download managers for ubuntu?
[03:24] <Powerking89670> PSPJunkie: I agree it is important, but I cannot help you :p
[03:24] <Dannilion> I would have thought that was a hardware problem rather than a software problem
[03:24] <Dannilion> does it still charge when the laptop is switched off>
[03:24] <Dannilion> ?
[03:24] <Powerking89670> mattg: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc
[03:25] <PSPJunkie> Dannilion: I haven't tried, i'll check next time i turn it off
[03:25] <Powerking89670> nvm
[03:25] <Dannilion> I cannot see why Linux would stop it charging
[03:25] <Dannilion> (though it may stop reporting it's charging- but that's a different problem)
[03:26] <PSPJunkie> Well, personally, that's what I think it is
[03:26] <PSPJunkie> Because it isn't as if it dies and turns off when i unplug it
[03:26] <joe_> usser: no luck yet but thanks.  if I mounted it on /media/hda4 like nfs shows in fstab would that do it?
[03:26] <PSPJunkie> But it always reports a 0% charge
[03:26] <Dannilion> my power thingie often goes weird- reporting there is no battery and stuff... but a restart cures that
[03:26] <Dannilion> what's the output of acpi on the console?
[03:26] <PSPJunkie> Well, I haver restarted many times
[03:26] <PSPJunkie> hold on
[03:27] <PSPJunkie> I need to reinstall yakuake D:
[03:27] <Powerking89670> *sigh* whistles waiting for the .iso to finish downloading! :p
[03:27] <Powerking89670> PSPJunkie: yakuake FTW
[03:27] <pwnt-> Powerking89670: what are u downloading
[03:28] <PSPJunkie> Dannilion: http://pb.malloc.us/m4c65193b
[03:28] <Powerking89670> pwnt-: Gutsy Gibbon
[03:28] <pwnt-> Powerking89670: final or beta?
[03:28] <PSPJunkie> Yeah, yakuake saves a ton of headaches. Much faster than launching konsole every time xD
[03:28] <Powerking89670> beta final isnt out for 5days
[03:29] <Powerking89670> beta; final*
[03:29] <Dannilion> okay... that page isn't loading for me PSPJunkie
[03:29] <pwnt-> Powerking89670: cool, but you had fiesty why not just upgrade? Instead of downloading a beta iso
[03:29] <Powerking89670> pwnt- fiesty wont boot properly, login screen is fubar
[03:29] <usser> joe_: im not sure what are u talking about?
[03:29] <Powerking89670> I'm in recovery console atm
[03:29] <pwnt-> Powerking89670: ic
[03:31] <Dannilion> okay... something's wrong with acpi
[03:31] <PSPJunkie> Dannilion: odd.... http://rafb.net/p/O3KPfC41.html
[03:31] <Dannilion> though I get quite a bit
[03:31] <Dannilion> (sorry... other computer hogging all the bandwidth)
[03:31] <PSPJunkie> Ah, gotcha
[03:31] <bqmassey> can someone help me install DJVu for Firefox?  i did what I thought i was supposed to, but it hasn't worked
[03:31] <PSPJunkie> Can I update acpi?
[03:32] <Dannilion> what does it say when you take the charger out?
[03:32] <Dannilion> (and since it's only one line you can probably get away with pasting straight in here :p)
[03:32] <PSPJunkie> "Battery 1: discharging, 0%,  remaining"
[03:32] <bqmassey> that's a reporting error i'm sure
[03:32] <PSPJunkie> Dannilion: I know xD I just like pastebins, pasting in irc is annoying
[03:32] <Dannilion> I agree for more than one line
[03:33] <PSPJunkie> Even so, its' a habit
[03:33] <Dannilion> just with my current bandwidth problem it's easier for you to post in here :p
[03:33] <PSPJunkie> Heh
[03:33] <PSPJunkie> Noted :P
[03:33] <Dannilion> yeah... that's a reporting error- can't remember how I fixed that
[03:33] <Dannilion> last happened to me in Dapper
[03:34] <Dannilion> (mine now just tells me there is no battery... when I'm running from it :P)
[03:34] <PSPJunkie> Well, it actually worked fine in 7.04, until i let adept update all my packages
[03:34] <PSPJunkie> Then it I updated to rc, and it still doesn't work
[03:36] <Dannilion> yeah
[03:37] <bqmassey> anyone familiar with djvu?
[03:38] <joe_> usser: that ok, thanks for all your help.  I found it in the places menu so thats easy enough to find,  thanks again
[03:46] <LiMaO> do you people know of the flight simulator in google-earth?
[03:46] <MisterN__> yep
[03:47] <LiMaO> so cool =D
[03:48] <joe_> anyone i just installed gutsy w gnome desktop and got the wireless working on my hp laptop.  if I load the kde desktop is there any chance this will mess up the wireless
[03:50] <PSPJunkie> sudo apt-get remove acpi; sudo apt-get install acpi
[03:50] <PSPJunkie> ^^ didn't work
[03:51] <bretzel> hi I need to know where can I get the "rmev" program supposedly comming with gpm... not there... ( mev does not work in X ( xterm... )
[03:51] <PSPJunkie> I dunno, I can't seem tjuliusing via googleo find anyth
[03:51] <PSPJunkie> :|
[03:51] <PSPJunkie> I can't seem to find anything via google *
[03:52] <bqmassey> would someone mind helping me install djvu?
[03:52] <Powerking89670> bqmassey, whats the the problem?
[03:52] <joe_> I installed gutsy 7.10 rc.  It is so much easier to get everything up and running than 6.10 was.  Gutsy is a great improvement.
[03:53] <bqmassey> i did "sudo apt-get install djvulibre-plugin
[03:53] <Powerking89670> joe_: thanks for the consoling words as I will be going down for the install very soon
[03:53] <bqmassey> i did "sudo apt-get install djvulibre-plugin"
[03:54] <bqmassey> and it didn't work.. i don't know why... i saw it download the package
[03:54] <bqmassey> but the plugin isn't showing up in firefox
[03:54] <Powerking89670> gimme a sec
[03:55] <stiev3> is there typically a final release that differs from the release candidate the day of release?... In general terms, is there a reason to hold off another 5 days?
[03:55] <boselecta> for some reason firefox keeps trying to open realmedia streams (from the BBC website) using the mplayer plugin
[03:55] <boselecta> any help?
[03:55] <boselecta> i have installed the realplayer stuff
[03:55] <joe_> powerking:  really 6.10 was my first time using linux.  It was weeks with the learning curve just trying to get flash movies to play in firefox.
[03:56] <Powerking89670> stiev3: the idea of a release cantidate is to do bug checking on a massive scale, if something major needs changed, there will likely be a differance
[03:56] <Powerking89670> joe_ : I was more lucky, I picked up linux in < 2 hours...it just seemed so natural
[03:56] <Powerking89670> bqmassey: I'm still working :D
[03:56] <bqmassey> Powerking89670: :) thanks
[03:57] <Powerking89670> bwmassey: where did you install the plugin from? Is it in the default respositories?
[03:57] <boselecta> weird: according to about:plugins, for some reason realmedia is owned by the mplayer plugin. how do i change that?
[03:58] <joe_> powerking: and I never could get the wireless working on my hp laptop, broadcom wireless, but in gutsy it prompted me for everything and showed the restricted package i would need for wireless
[03:58] <Powerking89670> joe_ : wireless is the one thing I have not done, and dread the most
[03:58] <Powerking89670> bqmassey: where did you install the plugin from? Is it in the default respositories?
[03:58] <bqmassey> i just typed what i told you earlier
[03:59] <bqmassey> after enabling Universe
[03:59] <joe_> powerking: the firefox plugins load real easy to like flash wmv divx media etc
[04:01] <Powerking89670> bqmassey try the following: "sudo aptitude purge djvulibre-plugin"
[04:01] <Powerking89670> and then try "sudo aptitude install djvulibre-plugin"
[04:01] <Powerking89670> if that does not work, I do not know :-/, sorry
[04:02] <Powerking89670> ( I prefer aptitude because it is smarter than apt-get)
[04:02] <stiev3> more noob questions: will there be any benefit to starting with a fresh install?  So used to reformatting when going from one version to another on other operating systems.
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> stiev3: not really.
[04:02] <Powerking89670> stiev: the new OS smell
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> stiev3: sometimes upgrades break.. but then you just do a  clean install
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> (and they always break immediately)
[04:04] <bqmassey> Powerking89670: ok.. the install is going
[04:04] <bqmassey> Powerking89670: what's all of this doing differently that what I typed in?
[04:04] <bqmassey> it's installing konquerer
[04:04] <Powerking89670> bqmassey: the first command removed everything of the first install, the second command is installing it with aptitude, which is like apt-get only in my opinion better because it finds dependancies alot more efficiently
[04:05] <bqmassey> ic
[04:05] <Powerking89670> bqmassey: yea, it may do that...just do a "sudo aptitude purge konqueror" if you dont want konqueror after the djvu install
[04:05] <Powerking89670> this MAY or may not work, I've never used djvu :p
[04:06] <joe_> powerking: really was a breeze, gutsy told me I needed some broadcom fwcutter package.  i downlowded then it sent me to the firmware and it was working and broadcom is the worst for compatabilty w linux
[04:06] <bqmassey> i'm only want it cause a helicopter magazine i read put's the issues online in DJVu for free
[04:06] <Powerking89670> bqmassey : you could try getting the converter instead of the plugin
[04:07] <bqmassey> yeah, i might try that
[04:07] <Powerking89670> bqmassey: I think it is djvulibre-bin
[04:07] <Powerking89670> bqmassey: do a "sudo aptitude search [string]  to have aptitude look in your repositories
[04:08] <Powerking89670> .iso burn almost complete
[04:10] <Powerking89670> bqmassey: I will (soon) be rebooting into the live CD of Gutsy, after I get into Gutsy I will come in here, so dont think I've left because I disappear for 5-8min
[04:10] <bqmassey> Powerking89670: cool, thanks for the help
[04:10] <Powerking89670> bqmassey: no problem, I'm bored waiting for this iso to burn anyways :p
[04:10] <bqmassey> hahahaha...   I just saw another hilarious Captain commercial
[04:11] <Powerking89670> okay...I'll be back in approx 8min
[04:12] <bqmassey> Powerking89670: i couldn't stand the live cd for very long.. its such a slow way to work
[04:12] <bqmassey> good luck
[04:13] <boselecta> why in the heck is it so hard to get realplayer working with BBC Website
[04:13] <pope>  hi, i'm having a problem with ubuntu 7.1/ GNOME 2.2:  Full screen Apps only fill 1/2 the screen. Any reason why?
[04:15] <|neon|> have anyone try vdkb2 with gutsy i installed it but it wont run this is the output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40594/
[04:16] <joe_> k
[04:17] <Powerking89670> I like gutsy so far, lets see how the install goes :D
[04:18] <stiev3> can I expect a more textmate-esque gedit in gutsy?
[04:18] <Powerking89670> hmmm, lets see
[04:19] <bqmassey> is there an undo function in the terminal?
[04:19] <pope> anyone have any suggestions for non-working full screen?
[04:19] <Powerking89670> define textmate-esque
[04:19] <Powerking89670> bqmassey: what do you mean?
[04:20] <bqmassey> that didn't work
[04:20] <bqmassey> it installed a lot of things though.. i just wondered if there was a rollback kind of command
[04:20] <bqmassey> (i'm new to linux)
[04:20] <bqmassey> but i can just purge them all individually
[04:20] <Powerking89670> bqmassey: hmm, stupid aptitude and its desire to install everything on the face of the earth
[04:20] <riotkittie> no, there's no roll back command :o
[04:21] <Powerking89670> I'll need to make note of this : Do not use aptitude when you need to install a plugin. Okay :D
[04:21] <Powerking89670> just use remove on the ones you do not need
[04:21] <stiev3> from what little I've read it handles themes a lot better... guess that applies across the board for gnome2.2 or whatever
[04:21] <Powerking89670> watch your purges :p
[04:22] <Powerking89670> I hope it does stiev3...thats why I lost my old install....the theme killed my login screen...which meant I couldnt use it at all
[04:22] <pope> how did you install them?  if you installed them through terminal, scroll back through your commands and replace 'install' with 'remove'....i use that method sometimes
[04:22] <bqmassey> kcontrol, kdebase-data, kfind, kicker, konqueror, libarts1-mpeglib, libavcodec1d, libavutil1d, libgsm1, libpostproc1d, libxine1-ffmpeg, mpeglib
[04:22] <Powerking89670> ahh, I see why, its a kde plugin, and your running gnome :p
[04:22] <bqmassey> lol yep
[04:22] <atselby> hello, i was in the middle of dist-upgrading to gutsy RC, when my laptop unexpectadly shut off and now i am having problems with GDM. It tells me that the greeting manager has crashed, and wants to try an alternative, but i dont think i have one, or that is not working either. can anyone help me?
[04:23] <bqmassey> well.. djvu isn't i dont think...
[04:23] <bqmassey> maybe so
[04:23] <Powerking89670> atselby: give me a minute, I need to find the force command for apt-get
[04:23] <atselby> powerking89670, okay thanks.
[04:24] <Powerking89670> okay, atselby: try this, open a terminal
[04:24] <atselby> hold on, need to boot it.
[04:25] <Powerking89670> kk :D
[04:25] <atselby> and i cant open a terminal by the way.
[04:25] <Powerking89670> okay, when you start booting
[04:25] <atselby> how can i go to terminal on boot?
[04:25] <Powerking89670> you get to the grub boot loader correct?
[04:25] <atselby> yes
[04:25] <Powerking89670> okay, when it starts ticking off 3, 2, 1 hit esc
[04:25] <atselby> k
[04:26] <atselby> recovery mode?
[04:26] <Powerking89670> and choose the recovery console for your kernel (usually right under it)
[04:26] <Powerking89670> indeed
[04:26] <atselby> okay
[04:26] <Powerking89670> it'll boot, and then it will come to a point and ask you for the root password, do you know your root password?
[04:26] <atselby> yes
[04:26] <Powerking89670> okay, at that point you'll enter the password
[04:26] <Powerking89670> and you'll be a terminal :D
[04:26] <atselby> okay, i couldnt remember if recovery was terminal or not. thanks.
[04:26] <atselby> so now what?
[04:27] <Powerking89670> at the terminal type
[04:27] <Powerking89670> apt-get update
[04:27] <Powerking89670> then after that is done
[04:27] <Powerking89670> apt-get upgrade
[04:27] <atselby> "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure =a" to correct this problem."
[04:27] <Powerking89670> okay, do that
[04:28] <atselby> k
[04:28] <atselby> i want to install the package maintainers version right?
[04:28] <boselecta> even though i started with linux at 0.99pl18, i think it's terrible that a modern distribution still won't play news clips from the BBC website. that's my litmus test.
[04:28] <chris_> this touch pad problem is really annoying me... how do i recompile my synaptic driver?
[04:28] <Powerking89670> atselby: yes
[04:29] <atselby> okay.
[04:29] <Demize> quit (Just testing my client, name too un-family-friendly to say here)
[04:29] <atselby> so, just so i get whats going on, im basically finishing the install now?
[04:29] <Powerking89670> yup
[04:29] <chris_> i get lots of these..., [  117.856000]  psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio4/input0 lost sync at byte 1 <new line> [  117.856000]  psmouse.c: issuing reconnect request
[04:29] <atselby> okay
[04:30] <chris_> anyone want to help me recompile psmouse.c?
[04:30] <atselby> chris_ was this for a touchpad? did you use synaptics?
[04:30] <Powerking89670> chris_: I would, but I hate compiling :p
[04:30] <chris_> it is a synaptic touchpad....
[04:31] <chris_> i have not edited anything as i have never needed 2....
[04:31] <atselby> wait, sorry must have misread that... thought oyu were trying to install synaptics package.
[04:31] <atselby> i can't help on compiling, sorry.
[04:32] <chris_> no no no..., i just downloaded ubuntu rc1 i guess it would be from ubuntu.com and i installed it and i am getting all of these errors in dmesg....
[04:32] <bqmassey> how would i go about starting firefox in a way that i can rear any error messages
[04:32] <Powerking89670> start it in the terminal
[04:32] <chris_> bqmassey, from the terminal
[04:32] <bqmassey> ok.. just run 'firefox' from the terminal?
[04:32] <Powerking89670> bqmassey: yes
[04:32] <atselby> if its from a fresh install.
[04:33] <bqmassey> ok.. it opened up firefox.. no returns... just a new line
[04:33] <Powerking89670> then there are no errors
[04:33] <chris_> all this is from a fresh install......
[04:33] <bqmassey> mk
[04:33] <d4rkmonkey> mine says stuff
[04:33] <bqmassey> i wonder if there's a debug mode
[04:33] <atselby> firefox -h for help or options? im not sure
[04:34] <Powerking89670> d4rkmonkey: how many lines?
[04:34] <d4rkmonkey> Powerking89670 like 5
[04:34] <Powerking89670> hmmm...where is that pasteboard
[04:34] <d4rkmonkey> 4 of them have to do with errors I think, first was like.. loaded md5 or something
[04:34] <atselby> !pastebin
[04:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:34] <atselby> ?
[04:34] <d4rkmonkey> whatever my firefox runs fine
[04:34] <Powerking89670> oh, alright then :D
[04:35] <Powerking89670> Gutsy Gibbin: INSTALLING! WOOT!
[04:35] <d4rkmonkey> hmm, except...
[04:35] <Powerking89670> d4rkmonkey: goto http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org and then give me the link you get after you paste it :D
[04:36] <d4rkmonkey> none of the videos from gametrailers will play on my comp, unless I download the wmv or quicktime, turn off compiz, and play them there... my flash works fine though for things like youtube and google video.. I'm thinking that the gametrailers video player is poorly coded
[04:36] <chris_> this is what my dmesg says...... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40596/
[04:36] <Powerking89670> compiz has problems with videos, thats normal; however it may be poorly coded
[04:37] <atselby> d4rkmonkey: are the videos flash based?
[04:37] <chris_> compiz + moving stuff = BAH!!! lol
[04:37] <quigz> lol
[04:37] <d4rkmonkey> atselby yeah, the gametrailers one, I have to download non-flash one to play it...
[04:37] <atselby> huhm...
[04:37] <atselby> i've actually never had problems with compiz and video, it just took some config, but i cant think of the options.
[04:37] <Powerking89670> chris_: when do you get all this?
[04:37] <d4rkmonkey> atselby I dunno, my chipset was blacklisted I think because of video issues, and I just commented out the line...
[04:37] <chris_> when my mouse messes up
[04:38] <wabz> Powerking89670: the update-manager ended up completely locking up my machine - mouse wasn't responsive, couldn't ssh to it, so I hit the restart button, got a console, ran dpkg --configure -a and it seemed to continue the upgrade without a problem, all working now
[04:38] <Powerking89670> have you reported it as a bug?
[04:38] <chris_> no..., there are like 8 other things like this....
[04:38] <chris_> but on older versions form what i can tell...
[04:38] <Powerking89670> wabz: Lucky I had that convo with atselby then eh?
[04:38] <Powerking89670> :p
[04:38] <d4rkmonkey> gamevideos.com work fine, but gametrailers.com doesn't...
[04:38] <atselby> same thing wabz ?
[04:38] <wabz> compiz doesn't work (don't get window decorations), but that's a good thing
[04:39] <wabz> I dunno I haven't read that convo yet
[04:39] <atselby> ah. my machine actually just shut off in teh middle of installing the upgrades.
[04:39] <Powerking89670> wabz: nevermind, I had him do what you did, didnt know you did it on your own :p
[04:39] <chris_> should i rereport it?, ive found bugs like it but all deal with 7.04 and under....
[04:39] <nosrednaekim> chris_: absolutely
[04:39] <Powerking89670> if its for gutsy gibbon why not
[04:40] <Powerking89670> bug reporting is a great way to help out a project
[04:40] <Powerking89670> I personally have no idea what all this code errors means, but I'm sure a developer does
[04:40] <atselby> powerking89670, cant apt-get update, evidently no internet connection.
[04:41] <Powerking89670> you installing from cd?
[04:41] <atselby> no, dist upgrade.
[04:41] <chris_> what package would this be???
[04:41] <Powerking89670> dist-upgrade is upgrading from the only repositories
[04:41] <Powerking89670> online*
[04:41] <steve> how do I get rid of pidgin without it killing gaim too? I had gaim before I upgraded to gutsy but now I just have this crap
[04:41] <whiteOwl> alas gutsy seems too gutsy - My Averatec laptop can no longer boot the install cd - X won't start properly - this is a regression from 7.04 and yes I filed a bug. The 7.10 beta would not boot even in safe graphics mode. I just wasted 2 hours playing with the new 7.10 release candidate and it does eventually get to a warning box (easily 5 or more mins) IF I boot with vga=771 - the warning says I'm in low res mode a
[04:41] <Powerking89670> steve: what is wrong with pidgin?
[04:41] <usser> steve: what?
[04:42] <chris_> steve, gaim changed its name to pidgin....
[04:42] <SeanConnery>  steve pidgen *is* gaim...
[04:42] <steve> I am aware of that
[04:42] <usser> steve: pidgin is gaim
[04:42] <nosrednaekim> chris_: just say its the kernel.
[04:42] <usser> steve: and theres no gaim in gutsy
[04:42] <thompa> i am installing the latest daily build and the fonts and some things look better
[04:42] <Pseudo> How would i add a plugin to pidgin manually?
[04:42] <atselby> powerking89670, so what should i do? skip update/upgrade? i already had downloaded all of the updates, itwas just in the middle of installing them.
[04:42] <steve> I want to know why it replaced a program I didn't want it to
[04:42] <usser> steve: which one?
[04:42] <SeanConnery> steve, if you want to use an earlier version, you have to compile it yourself or get the deb from somewhere
[04:42] <Powerking89670> atselby: yes then :D
[04:42] <usser> steve: gaim?
[04:42] <SeanConnery> steve, the gaim package was likely updated to pidgin
[04:42] <thompa> my question is, why the upgrade did not change this
[04:42] <steve> hrm.
[04:43] <atselby> okay. so, whatw was next then?
[04:43] <SeanConnery> thompa, yeah I'd like to know why as well
[04:43] <atselby> reboot and gdm should be fine?
[04:43] <Powerking89670> atselby: I can only hope so :p
[04:43] <atselby> okay, thanks.
[04:43] <SeanConnery> thompa, my guess is that if you rm -rf $HOME then your fonts will be ok
[04:43] <thompa> i need to find out what is not updated. like a fix-fonts graphic driver or something
[04:43] <steve> is there a way to prevent it from changing it in the future? this isn't my main system and I can just format it with feisty again
[04:43] <SeanConnery> the configuration hell hole that is gconf-editor warrants that
[04:43] <Powerking89670> atselby: no problem, If not I did my best :-/
[04:43] <atselby> steve, gaim was upgraded to pidgin in gutsy.
[04:43] <SeanConnery> unless someone can tell me that gconf-editor is really file-based
[04:43] <steve> I understand that
[04:44] <steve> I don't want it
[04:44] <thompa> SeanConnery: or just create a new user
[04:44] <atselby> if you want the old appearence of gaim theres a skin of it somewhere.
[04:44] <usser> steve why?
[04:44] <SeanConnery> thompa, yes
[04:44] <chris_> how do i file a bug report for gutsy?
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> steve: if you just install gaim.. I don't think it will prompt you to upgrade it to pidgin
[04:44] <SeanConnery> steve, I don't think you can pin a package version
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> !bugs
[04:44] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:44] <thompa> so is the problem gdm only
[04:44] <atselby> yeah it shouldnt ask you to do that.
[04:44] <atselby> steve, what dont you want in pidgin?
[04:44] <steve> what if I made an equivs dummy package of pidgin? would that just shut it up?
[04:44] <thompa> i am still running live and its awesome 64
[04:45] <SeanConnery> steve, why are you fighting the package maintainers
[04:45] <steve> 'cause gaim isn't broken
[04:45] <nosrednaekim> steve: install gaim and lock its version
[04:45] <atselby> powerking89670, still crashing.. :( do you know of a way to bypass gdm via terminal?
[04:45] <steve> hey, a helpful answer, thanks
[04:45] <nosrednaekim> =)
[04:45] <Powerking89670> atselby: get back into the recovery console
[04:45] <atselby> k
[04:46] <steve> I'm mostly worried about my laptop, I haven't upgraded it yet and may not at this rate
[04:46] <pvl1> Anyone mind helping me with a weird sound issue?
[04:46] <atselby> steve, i wouldnt yet. looks like there've been some problems with laptops and gutsy. ..
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> pvl1: what is it
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> atselby: working fine here on my acer
[04:46] <steve> I'm just afraid every time I go into #ubuntu with a question everyone will just tell me to upgrade XD
[04:46] <jrr> the upgrade to gutsy seems to have broken my LVM
[04:47] <Powerking89670> atselby: laptops and linux tend to hate each other, its not gutsy :p
[04:47] <steve> funny, feisty works more or less fine
[04:47] <Powerking89670> steve: sorry, I was just wondering what was bad about it, so I could see if it buged me :p
[04:47] <pvl1> nosrednaekim i cant record from my microphone. i went into alsamixer nd turned up the recording level, and the sound from my microphone is amplified to my speakers. but my computer wont record sound
[04:47] <atselby> true. but for me dapper through feisty worked fine
[04:47] <nosrednaekim> pvl1: what program are you using to record?
[04:48] <steve> nothing's wrong with it, I just like gaim, but having pidgin makes me unable to use gaim, therefore it needs to die
[04:48] <pvl1> nosrednaekim well im just using w/e recorded came with the system, i havent gotten around to gettin audacity
[04:48] <atselby> pidgin is gaim....
[04:48] <atselby> granted its got a stupid skin and name. but eh.
[04:48] <steve> that's like saying "vista is XP"
[04:48] <steve> :P
[04:48] <nosrednaekim> pvl1: see if somehwere in there (I use KDE so I haven't a clue where) there is a recoding input device.
[04:48] <steve> well, not really
[04:49] <usser> omg steve u're hardcase arent u :)
[04:49] <atselby> powerking89670 what was i needing to do next? to bypass gdm or disable it?
[04:49] <steve> but they're not identical
[04:49] <Powerking89670> steve: you cant compare two working programs to two crappy OS's
[04:49] <pvl1> nosrednaekim: there is and ive been messin with that too
[04:49] <steve> well, yeah
[04:49] <Powerking89670> atselby: type 'startx'
[04:49] <nosrednaekim> pvl1: thats my best guess
[04:49] <atselby> k
[04:49] <steve> I just hate when something that works is replaced with something else for no real reason
[04:49] <pvl1> nosrednaekim aight thanks
[04:49] <usser> !gens
[04:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gens - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:49] <atselby> thanks
[04:49] <chris_> one last bug...., master volume control does nothing.....
[04:49] <Powerking89670> steve: It has the ability to use more IM programs
[04:50] <steve> none I was missing before
[04:50] <Powerking89670> steve: most importantly Google Talk :p
[04:50] <steve> anywhoo
[04:50] <chris_> i press mute and i still hear sound....
[04:50] <Powerking89670> steve: to each his own
[04:50] <steve> google talk sucks penises and is no use to me
[04:50] <purpleblu> I have a P3 800mhz 128mb computer, and I was wondering if that is adequate to to run 32bit gutsy Desktop/Alternative?
[04:50] <nosrednaekim> you can actually speak with pidgin now?
[04:50] <atselby> althought powerking89670, im in xfce not gnome. but i'll see what i can do now. thanks
[04:50] <steve> anyone know why gutsy is trying to update a laptop touchpad driver on my desktop?
[04:50] <nosrednaekim> purpleblu: better get xubuntu
[04:50] <usser> purpleblu: take a lok at xubuntu
[04:50] <Powerking89670> atselby: no problem I thought GUI might make things a tiny bit easier on you :p
[04:50] <atselby> grah. it just shut off again.
[04:50] <atselby> okay well, ill give it a try, think my battery is giving out.
[04:51] <atselby> thanks.
[04:51] <purpleblu> I dont want to run xubuntu if I dont have to.  Well it just use swap? Or will it have major hickups
[04:51] <Powerking89670> atselby: yea, be sure to make sure you have a stable power connection next dist-upgrade :p
[04:51] <steve> are the debs for all my packages stored somewhere local?
[04:51] <chris_> is there anyway to fix the sound master control and the fact that it is useless?
[04:51] <steve> I might just save my gaim one and pin it
[04:51] <atselby> haha. i figured it said i had 3 hours, i would be good.. guess not
[04:51] <atselby> thanks
[04:51] <SeanConnery> steve, I'm running gutsy on a laptop right no
[04:51] <nosrednaekim> steve: /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:51] <SeanConnery> ww
[04:51] <atselby> hopefully i wont have to come back.
[04:52] <atselby> haha. thanks
[04:52] <SeanConnery> steve, hibernate/suspend work perfectly
[04:52] <usser> purpleblu: it will be sloow
[04:52] <steve> what
[04:52] <purpleblu> is xubuntu xfce enviroment?
[04:52] <steve> oh, ok
[04:52] <SeanConnery> did I stutter?
[04:52] <SeanConnery> lol
[04:52] <d4rkmonkey> ...
[04:52] <d4rkmonkey> purpleblu no, but it should be.
[04:52] <d4rkmonkey> waite.
[04:52] <d4rkmonkey> *wait
[04:52] <d4rkmonkey> I mean..
[04:52] <d4rkmonkey> yes.
[04:52] <chris_> hello???
[04:53] <Powerking89670> SeanConnery: I thought I heard a bit of a stutter...you might want to articulate a bit better next time :p
[04:53] <d4rkmonkey> I was thinkign xkcd I was like... huh?
[04:53] <SeanConnery> Powerking89670, I'll do my b-b-b-est
[04:53] <jrr> D/
[04:54] <purpleblu> I am fixing an XP machine for my in-laws.   So what is the performance difference ubuntu versus xubuntu?
[04:54] <Powerking89670> xubuntu runs better on older machines, ubuntu is better supported, and in my opinion better :D
[04:54] <Powerking89670> atselby: you came back!
[04:54] <jrr> you can use the WM of your choice in ubuntu
[04:55] <jrr> xfce speeds things up significantly over gnome, and can be configured to look similar
[04:55] <purpleblu> in-laws are running XP so how would ubuntu gnome compare with performance?
[04:55] <Powerking89670> We'll, Gutsy install is complete...I'll be back up in a little under 2min
[04:55] <Powerking89670> purpleblu: hold that thought :p
[04:55] <SeanConnery> purpleblu, depends, if they are good with XP, then performance should be comprable
[04:55] <SeanConnery> no not true
[04:55] <chris_> anyone wanna help me with my sound issue?
[04:56] <SeanConnery> my downstairs dual-boot xp has gotten slower and slower even though there isn't any sh*t on it
[04:56] <purpleblu> I mean in comparison to load times.  Xp versus Gnome.  If they want to run say firefox.  How would gnome firefox compare to xp firefox?
[04:56] <SeanConnery> purpleblu, I think its similar
[04:57] <purpleblu> so would xbuntu be dramatically faster using that scenario?
[04:57] <SeanConnery> I JUST HEARD THE UBUNTU BONGOS
[04:57] <SeanConnery> BONgo bongo bongo
[04:57] <SeanConnery> \o/
[04:57] <nosrednaekim> purpleblu: yeah... it would be noticabley smoother
[04:57] <weirdbro> I've got a dns cache problem
[04:57] <atselby> i can not find login window/gdm config anywhere...
[04:58] <SeanConnery> purpleblu, in the end its not going to matter *one bit* dude
[04:58] <weirdbro> Gutsy sometimes give dns records of sites I've recently accessed to the wrong domain
[04:58] <chris_> :-\
[04:58] <nosrednaekim> SeanConnery: what?
[04:58] <SeanConnery> nosrednaekim, do you think its going to matter whether ff takes 1.1s to load v 1s?
[04:59] <nosrednaekim> SeanConnery: lol....
[04:59] <SeanConnery> whats going to matter though is the ease of maintenance
[04:59] <kcs80> lol
[04:59] <nosrednaekim> SeanConnery: it will be awhole lot more dramitc than that
[04:59] <purpleblu> well I dont want to run DSL distro or puppy. so I was wondering.  If they are accustomed to XP on this hardware.  Just wondering how much performance gain would I expect among they other x11 enviroments
[04:59] <|neon|> i am running a putty fasr puter and i tell you by far kubuntu is faster than xp and not even go to vista :)
[05:00] <pvl1> nosrednaekim: i came back just to tell ya that i fixed it! this makes me really happy, now i can really work with my guitar] ] 
[05:00] <nosrednaekim> pvl1: lol... I was messing around with my guitar... there are some pretty interesting apps out there.. check out cleox
[05:01] <SeanConnery> nosrednaekim, no it doesn't
[05:01] <weirdbro> Does Ubuntu have a way not to cache dns records?
[05:01] <pvl1> nosrednaekim will do ty!
[05:01] <weirdbro> Because its caching them wrong
[05:01] <selby> alright, got power, but i can't find the gdm config anywhere.
[05:01] <Null_Session> nosredneakim:  check out ubuntu:studio
[05:01] <pvl1> nosrednaekim oh btw u were half right, it was involved in the app's recording device
[05:01] <nosrednaekim> Null_Session: yeah yeah :)
[05:01] <|neon|> freaking firefox keeps freezing when i try to open a yahoo game window wtf, java is installed and opera works flawlessly with yahoo games any suggestions
[05:01] <nosrednaekim> pvl1: sweet :)
[05:01] <nosrednaekim> |neon|: use opera? lol
[05:02] <selby> Powerking89670, cant find gdm/login window config anywhere.
[05:02] <|neon|> nosrednaekim: i like ff :(
[05:02] <SeanConnery> oh my god I accidentally went to a myspace page
[05:02] <SeanConnery> how noisy
[05:02] <Powerking89670> selby: that was the reason I reinstalled Ubuntu :p
[05:02] <pvl1> neon: what version java?
[05:02] <|neon|> i have java 5 and 6 installed maybe that's my issue
[05:03] <weirdbro> Gutsy serves the wrong IPs for the domain
[05:03] <weirdbro> I know its a Gutsy problem
[05:03] <weirdbro> and not my DNS server
[05:04] <pvl1> neon: no that shouldnt psot a problem. can firefox open other java applets
[05:04] <EnsGabe> I'll throw this out here just to see if it's a gutsy issue:  what do I need to do to get kvm working?  I've installed it, loaded the module (kvm-intel for my core 2 duo),  and added my user to the kvm group.  When I run 'kvm -m 512 /dev/sda', it crashes with an exception 13 after selecting the install with grub.  Should this be working?
[05:04] <|neon|> pvl1: yes
[05:04] <|neon|> brb have to ctrl+alt+backspace since ff froze cause of yahoo gamers again
[05:05] <atselby> Powerking89670, i would if i have to but i dont want to lose files on here.
[05:05] <atselby> i do have a backup of my /home/ but not of anything else.
[05:05] <Powerking89670> atselby: I'm not saying you should, I'm saying thats how I fixed my login screen problem, and thusly dont know how to help you with yours :-/
[05:05] <atselby> Powerking89670, ah so yo uhad it too. okay.
[05:05] <atselby> didnt know that
[05:06] <Powerking89670> atselby: I had it for other reasons, but my gdm was crashing
[05:06] <atselby> ah.
[05:06] <atselby> humh...
[05:07] <atselby> it looks like gdm just kinda disappeard for me. odd.
[05:07] <Powerking89670> atselby: when you find the solution to the problem, please let me know so when it happens to be again I can fix it
[05:07] <atselby> Powerking89670, alright, sure thing
[05:07] <tesko> anyone have problems with pidgin?
[05:07] <usser> tesko: no
[05:07] <usser> :0
[05:07] <tesko> i had it freeze on me earlier
[05:07] <usser> tesko: whats the problem?
[05:08] <pvl1> tesko: no and ty for reminding me to get it
[05:08] <pvl1> tasko: whatd u do wen it froze
[05:08] <tesko> pasted text
[05:09] <tesko> woul;d the error show up in dmesg?
[05:09] <pvl1> was anything else happenning at the time? and idk
[05:10] <tesko> no so far gutsy has been better than feisty
[05:10] <pvl1> no i mean, like were u installing anything
[05:10] <tesko> nope
[05:10] <tesko> just chatting on irc
[05:11] <pvl1> hm. thats really weird, i have no diea as to why that would happen
[05:12] <SeanConnery> so steve how is your gaim-adventure going
[05:12] <atselby> whats an alternateive to GDM?
[05:13] <Powerking89670> atselby: KDM
[05:13] <SeanConnery> atselby, uh oh, you done did it!
[05:13] <steve> I'm just leaving it be on this box, gonna figure out how to block it when I upgrade my laptop in a few months
[05:13] <SeanConnery> come on steve
[05:13] <SeanConnery> bleeding edge
[05:13] <atselby> Powerking89670, knew i shouoldnt have uninstalled that. haha.
[05:13] <atselby> guess ill try to install kdm and see if that works.
[05:13] <SeanConnery> I've upgraded my sole laptop with every upgrade since dapper
[05:14] <Powerking89670> atselby: Its KDE, I personally dislike it, but its useful for some apps like Amarok and its useful when you've got no one WM's that work
[05:14] <steve> if it would not be someday necessary I'd just keep feisty
[05:14] <lee_> hi
[05:14] <atselby> Powerking89670, yeah, i dislike KDE also.
[05:15] <lee_> LiMaO..hello
[05:15] <LiMaO> hello lee_
[05:15] <LiMaO> how are you doing with the 32bit system?
[05:16] <lee_> eh Might I ask for one favor....send me that one script that does it all...I am no longer on that but unbunto
[05:16] <lee_> it had other issues
[05:16] <lee_> lots of other issues
[05:16] <lee_> I loaded it with out using the OEM and I couldnt even sign in to it
[05:17] <lee_> plus this one has fire fox
[05:17] <lee_> in it already
[05:17] <lee_> if not then I'll give it up and head back to my 32 bit
[05:18] <|neon|> now i am really freaking confused  i installed swiftfox and yahoo games work perfectly   now ff regular everytime i try to open yahoo games it freezes to the point i have to restart x to get it to work again :(
[05:19] <|neon|> i know swiftfox is eveil just ask the bot
[05:19] <LiMaO> lee_: what are you running now?
[05:19] <lee_> Unubunto 64 bit...it not at all like that other POC I was working with
[05:20] <LiMaO> ubuntu you mean?
[05:20] <lee_> eh yes
[05:20] <LiMaO> btw, i'm sending the script, accept it
[05:20] <lee_> ok
[05:20] <LiMaO> be sure to RUN it correctly, READ everything that is said within the script
[05:20] <LiMaO> and you will have NO problems
[05:20] <lee_> ok
[05:21] <|neon|> besides that i'm really pissed someone key my car at the restaurant tonight, people are just F..... stupid
[05:21] <lee_> so right click this time
[05:21] <LiMaO> lee_: right click, and choose 'run in terminal'
[05:21] <lee_> ok lets see if this version has it
[05:21] <LiMaO> lee_: you're running gnome now, right? not that kde thing
[05:21] <lee_> Iam sure it does
[05:21] <lee_> yes genome
[05:21] <LiMaO> gnome
[05:22] <lee_> that KDE looks fancey but man
[05:22] <lee_> I havnt even updated the system yet lol
[05:22] <atselby> brb, trying to use kdm instead of gdm for now.
[05:23] <LiMaO> |neon|: i've written a script that will install a 32bit firefox + java + flash + mplayer plugins on your 64bit system. that will avoid crashes and weird stuff. if you're insterested (and is running a 64bit sys) just let me know
[05:23] <lee_> well Ilearned that no to linuxes are the same lol
[05:24] <lee_> some look pretty and all but can be a real pain
[05:24] <LiMaO> lee_: did you manage to run the script properly
[05:24] <LiMaO> ?
[05:24] <lee_> eh Ididnt even know you sent it yet
[05:24] <lee_> eh where is it at?
[05:25] <|neon|> LiMaO: thx  am running the 32 ver, i will give the 64 bit a try here in the near future as my quad 6600 oc to 3.9ghz is wanting some challenge
[05:25] <LiMaO> |neon|: oh ok, then =)
[05:25] <lee_> ok it says starting
[05:25] <lee_> is on starting
[05:25] <LiMaO> lee_: i'm gonna send it again.. pay attention to the windows
[05:26] <lee_> Iam
[05:26] <LiMaO> sent it now
[05:26] <LiMaO> accept the transfer
[05:26] <SeanConnery> damnit
[05:26] <SeanConnery> now gutsy isn't booting
[05:26] <lee_> where and how?
[05:27] <SeanConnery> lee_, talking to me?
[05:27] <lee_> Limao
[05:27] <LiMaO> omg
[05:27] <lee_> Ok waht isit Iam looking for on the sindow
[05:27] <LiMaO> lee_: what irc client are you using now?
[05:28] <lee_> eh the one with the foot
[05:28] <lee_> genome
[05:28] <lee_> eh should I update my pc?
[05:28] <LiMaO> no lee
[05:28] <LiMaO> GNOME is the window manager
[05:29] <LiMaO> i'm asking which application are you using to talk to me now
[05:29] <LiMaO> irc client = this chat thing, the application you are using now
[05:30] <lee_> xchat-GENOME irc
[05:30] <LiMaO> not GENOME man.. write it correctly! it's GNOME
[05:31] <lee_> ok
[05:31] <lee_> yes that one oh..like a tiny creater oof mythology
[05:31] <LiMaO> lee_: there's the file transfer windows... you gotta learn it man.. just look thru the menus
[05:31] <lee_> I mannaged to open the IRC file transfer window
[05:32] <lee_> ok
[05:32] <LiMaO> now keep looking at it
[05:32] <LiMaO> there you are
[05:32] <LiMaO> the transfer!
[05:32] <LiMaO> now just accept it
[05:32] <lee_> yeah I see it all 3 say starting but are dead locked
[05:33] <lee_> cant right or left click
[05:33] <lee_> can't even double click on them
[05:33] <lee_> so Iam running the updates
[05:33] <lee_> wich includes compiz
[05:33] <LiMaO> lee_: oh dear lee.. i told you to try 32bit
[05:34] <LiMaO> that would be so much easier
[05:34] <lee_> the only thing I see is stop
[05:34] <LiMaO> 32bit ubuntu.. with gnome and everything beautiful
[05:34] <lee_> waht are they doing ending that
[05:34] <LiMaO> with flash, java and everything
[05:34] <lee_> back dore?
[05:34] <bqmassey> i was using Emerald for a theme.. a new theme i downloaded uses the normal theme selector..   how do i go back? i still have the emerald theme
[05:34] <lee_> ok
[05:34] <lee_> 32 bit it will be mumbles something no fit to be repeated
[05:35] <LiMaO> what should i install to get this launcher style? http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1417/1420036294_f0bcbdf311_b.jpg
[05:35] <lee_> Kubuntu had that
[05:35] <SeanConnery> ok weird, ubuntu boots in recover mode but not in the normal mode
[05:36] <lee_> is it that same script you sent me that really simple one?
[05:36] <persia> Anybody on gutsy running Xen, and willing to test something for me?
[05:36] <lee_> if so I have it saved
[05:36] <Aondo> when installing stuff with gdebi-gtk from within firefox, would it be possible to open a recent opened window, instead of beeing forced to type password for each .deb file you open within a short amount of time? :)
[05:37] <bqmassey> how do i disable compiz
[05:38] <persia> Aondo: Try adjusting the timestamp_timeout option in /etc/sudoers (although there may be a better way).
[05:38] <CH1P> compiz is slow?
[05:38] <lee_> LiMaO is it the same scrpt that oyu sent me just befor I logged..taht one tiny one
[05:39] <bqmassey> my themes not getting applied right.. (trying to turn go back to normal themes from emerald)
[05:39] <bqmassey> and i want to turn compiz off and back on again
[05:39] <lee_> If So I have it saved hehee
[05:39] <LiMaO> yes it is
[05:39] <bqmassey> LiMaO: if you figure out how to install that, let me know
[05:40] <bqmassey> LiMaO: that Mac lookin' thing
[05:40] <lee_> ok
[05:42] <lee_> hey LiAmO guess waht
[05:43] <lee_> this programs being more freindly
[05:43] <lee_> so do I chose 1 or 2? fire fox came preinstalled
[05:44] <CH1P> Does Compiz needs a Graphics Card?
[05:45] <boselecta> yes
[05:45] <boselecta> and not just any graphics card
[05:45] <x_> is anyone missing the gnome splash in Gutsy?
[05:46] <boselecta> when is ubuntu going to make streaming video in firefox simple?
[05:46] <boselecta> i'm guessing that's not a milestone for gutsy
[05:46] <lee_> well waht ever its doing its taking consideably longer to do it
[05:47] <LiMaO> lee_: you should choose option 1 for everything
[05:48] <lee_> I did. and everything has connected this time..could a sever have been down?
[05:48] <lee_> earlier
[05:48] <lee_> this time I am gtting everyting as conected
[05:48] <boselecta> what has lee_ been working on?
[05:48] <lee_> got 2 graphical windows this time
[05:49] <lee_> asking me to verify
[05:49] <jetole> evening guys
[05:50] <x_> is anyone missing the gnome splash in Gutsy?
[05:51] <LiMaO> lee_: very nice.
[05:51] <jetole> oh beautiful
[05:51] <lee_> Hey I found the error too
[05:51] <jetole> there is none
[05:51] <lee_> its in a tar file that has been reloacted I think
[05:51] <jetole> @ gnome splash
[05:51] <LiMaO> lee_: which file?
[05:51] <x_> You mean they got rid of it?
[05:51] <lee_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins?action=AttachFile
[05:52] <x_> Or just haven't implemented something?
[05:52] <Powerking89670> how do I configure what programs start at boot?
[05:52] <lee_> eh taht the area taht gave me issues
[05:52] <LiMaO> wait a sec
[05:52] <lee_> tar: firefoxmplayer.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[05:52] <lee_> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[05:52] <lee_> ok
[05:53] <ISS_Student> Anybody else when booting not getting a boot splash screen
[05:53] <x_> I'm not!
[05:53] <lee_> not sure
[05:53] <lee_> Ihavent rebooted yet
[05:53] <LiMaO> lee_: wait a second, and i'll send you a new version
[05:53] <lee_> ok
[05:53] <LiMaO> lee_: that url is having issues
[05:53] <lee_> oh ok
[05:53] <ISS_Student> It loads fine but it's strange not seeing some sort of boot info after selecting to load
[05:54] <lee_> so may be it wasn't the os
[05:54] <lee_> maybe I jsut neede to calm down and skim the lines
[05:54] <LiMaO> lee_:
[05:54] <x_> ISS_Student  I'm getting a boot splash for Ubuntu but not for Gnome.
[05:54] <LiMaO> lee_: right click the script on your system.. and choose to DISPLAY it
[05:54] <lee_> yeah
[05:54] <ISS_Student> I can live with the no boot splash because my wireless is working
[05:54] <jetole> x_: me too, isn't that pretty
[05:54] <lee_> ok jsut a sec
[05:54] <LiMaO> PAY ATTENTION to my instructions, so that you don't break anything
[05:55] <clusty> i am trying to pass a kernal option at bootup
[05:55] <jetole> gnmoe splash was something I always disabled
[05:55] <clusty> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=UUID=7c2d1c71-7379-4f29-8a83-6f0951838246 ro quiet splash usbcore.autosuspend=1
[05:55] <lee_> ok I have it opend
[05:55] <ISS_Student> I was looking for menu.cfg but it's not where it used to be so I can try setting verbose
[05:55] <clusty> but the usbcore stuff foes not work
[05:56] <x_> So the Gnome splash has been disabled on purpose in Gutsy.  Correct?
[05:56] <ISS_Student> So where did they put menu.lst
[05:56] <lee_> I have it opens for "display"
[05:56] <ISS_Student> I get the gnome splash screen but no boot splash
[05:56] <WorkingOnWise> do you guys mind if I ask some questions not directly related to Gutsy here? Being a "beta" channel, you will more likely have the answers I seek.
[05:56] <LiMaO> lee_: now you have to find the line where it says "wget https://bla bla"
[05:57] <LiMaO> tell me when you have found that line
[05:57] <lee_> ok
[05:57] <ISS_Student> I know I'm not going to install anything kde as last time I tried that it messed up my wireless
[05:58] <x_> welp.  I'm off to test the RC from install.  See if that clears things up.
[05:58] <LiMaO> lee_: it's on line 115
[05:59] <lee_> ok
[05:59] <LiMaO> tell me when you have found it
[05:59] <lee_> I was going for the find feature lol
[05:59] <LiMaO> did you find it already?
[05:59] <lee_> eh this thing dont number em
[06:00] <LiMaO> lee_: use the find feature.. and search for https
[06:00] <lee_> yeppers
[06:00] <LiMaO> found it?
[06:02] <lee_> eh something that looks like this
[06:02] <lee_> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=firefoxmplayer.tar.bz2
[06:03] <LiMaO> yes
[06:03] <LiMaO> you gotta fix that url
[06:03] <lee_> eh I just compared it to the one file taht was giving issues
[06:04] <LiMaO> it's https
[06:04] <lee_> and I think tahts the one
[06:04] <LiMaO> and it gotta be between quotes
[06:04] <LiMaO> it should say
[06:04] <LiMaO> "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=firefoxmplayer.tar.bz2"
[06:04] <LiMaO> just add the quotes, fix the https and save it.. then run the script again
[06:05] <lee_> ok
[06:05] <pope> compiz has gone nuts in Ubuntu.  No window borders, desktop malfunctioning.
[06:06] <jetole> hey guys, I am looking at todays rc gutsy installer on my laptop atm and I don't see this encrypted root/disk/partition optio anywhere, I mean on debian it was pretty easy to find
[06:06] <jetole> meh, compiz is over rated
[06:06] <Pseudo2> Could anyone help me install gfire for pidgin :)?
[06:06] <lee_> it now reads thus..."https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=firefoxmplayer.tar.bz2" with out the quotes
[06:07] <pope> that's all well and good, but it's integrated into Gnome/Ubuntu 7.10, so can anyone help me fix it?
[06:07] <LiMaO> lee_: it MUST HAVE the quotes
[06:07] <atosecond> how does one support 3 monitors
[06:07] <lee_> oh ok ill add em then
[06:07] <jetole> atosecond: I modify xorg.conf by hand
[06:07] <LiMaO> you didn't change anything else, did you?
[06:08] <LiMaO> just fixed the https and added the quotes, right?
[06:08] <lee_> its in pink now
[06:08] <lee_> the only one thatis in pink
[06:08] <jetole> atosecond: setup 3 devices in your xorg.conf, 3 monitors and 3 screens and then select their layout in server layout
[06:08] <LiMaO> ok
[06:08] <LiMaO> lee_: now save it.. and run the script again
[06:09] <lee_> hmm everything with quotes is in pink and everyhting with out is in black
[06:09] <lee_> ok
[06:09] <boselecta> yeah it's like that
[06:10] <boselecta> don't worry about the colours
[06:10] <pope> i tried to run 'compiz --replace' and it stalled out at 'gtk-window-decorator'....but i was able to get window border back with 'metacity --replace'. But no one knows how to fix compiz? If it makes any difference, there was any auto-update for the 'Gnome/Compiz backend today..
[06:10] <earlmred> hmm
[06:10] <earlmred> what's the command to load a module?
[06:11] <bqmassey> dammit.. i can't disable this Emerald theme.. help!
[06:12] <atosecond> ctrl+alt+backspace!
[06:12] <atosecond> (don't do it)
[06:12] <LiMaO> earlmred: modprobe ?
[06:13] <earlmred> LiMaO, dur, i'm tired =P
[06:13] <LiMaO> earlmred: it happens to all of us, don't worry =D
[06:13] <moparisthebest> does anyone have problems with ATI drivers, and kubuntu gutsy?
[06:13] <atosecond> Does anyone have an ati card and been able to get teh water effects to work?
[06:13] <gunashekar> you mean sound problem?
[06:14] <moparisthebest> I upgraded from a perfectly working feisty last night, and when I enable ATI drivers everything is really slow and all the font is extremely small
[06:14] <moparisthebest> i can't hardly read what I am typing
[06:15] <lee_> ok this time it gave me th option of y or no lol I chose y
[06:15] <lee_> but there is one error I did get..will it effect it in any way?
[06:15] <lee_> ERROR: Certificate verification error for help.ubuntu.com: unable to get local issuer certificate
[06:16] <kcs80> atosecond: shift+f9 works fine on my fglrx
[06:17] <Gunner_Sr> what is my option for dell fan control without i8k due to no x86_64 support?
[06:17] <kcs80> atosecond: compiz-fusion rain effect, that is
[06:18] <lee_> hmm it said also that is could not stat Mplayer in..I paraphrased taht
[06:18] <lee_> ant it returned to child state
[06:18] <lee_> waht ever that means
[06:18] <usser> Gunner_Sr: write to dell they seem to like linux now
[06:19] <atosecond> is there a way to boot ubuntu from within the windows boot loader w/o installing grub
[06:19] <usser> atosecond: yes its possible
[06:19] <atosecond> how?
[06:19] <Gunner_Sr> usser: ;-) I wouldnt mind fixing it now.
[06:20] <lee_> fire fox will not start
[06:20] <lee_> eh restarting system brb
[06:20] <LiMaO> lee_: how are you trying to start firefox?
[06:20] <lee_> on the fox thingy
[06:20] <LiMaO> no
[06:20] <lee_> icon
[06:20] <LiMaO> do not restart
[06:20] <LiMaO> wait
[06:20] <lee_> oh ok
[06:21] <lee_> hey I bet you can look at my sytem now lol
[06:21] <LiMaO> first do one thing
[06:21] <LiMaO> hit alt+f2
[06:21] <usser> atosecond: there was a guide on the net somewhere hang on i'll look for it, why do u want to do that though?
[06:21] <LiMaO> and run firefox32
[06:22] <lee_> nopers nada
[06:22] <atosecond> Ubuntu partition is xfs formatted
[06:22] <atosecond> Grub doesn't handle that weel
[06:22] <atosecond> I dislike lilo
[06:23] <LiMaO> lee_: restart your system
[06:23] <atosecond> and seeing as I am dual booting anyways
[06:23] <LiMaO> and try it again (to run firefox32)
[06:23] <usser> atosecond: oh well i'd guess windows boot loader would do even worse
[06:23] <usser> atosecond: http://www.matthewjmiller.net/howtos/dual-boot-linux-and-windows/
[06:25] <lee_> noprs no go
[06:26] <LiMaO> lee_:
[06:26] <lee_> yeah
[06:26] <LiMaO> lee_: can't you run firefox?
[06:26] <lee_> nope
[06:27] <LiMaO> listen, let me try look at your system one more time
[06:27] <LiMaO> type on a terminal the following
[06:27] <lee_> ok
[06:27] <LiMaO> sudo apt-get install x11vnc
[06:27] <LiMaO> tell me when it's done installing
[06:27] <lee_> i istalled the irc the one with the orange x
[06:27] <lee_> ok
[06:27] <atselby> Powerking89670, got it working after a reinstallation of feisty
[06:29] <lee_> eh how will i know ?
[06:29] <LiMaO> well, it will go back to the terminal prompt
[06:29] <LiMaO> did you type that? what happened?
[06:30] <lee_> yeah i typed that i was wondering how will i know your trying to contact  me lol
[06:30] <LiMaO> oh
[06:30] <LiMaO> you will know
[06:30] <lee_> this doesnt exactly have tabs
[06:30] <LiMaO> has it finished installing?
[06:30] <pvl1> has anyone gotten creox to work?
[06:31] <LiMaO> lee_: has it finished installing?
[06:31] <lee_> has what/
[06:31] <LiMaO> did you type      sudo apt-get install x11vnc
[06:31] <LiMaO> on a terminal????
[06:31] <lee_> i didnt even get a file transfer
[06:31] <lee_> oh no
[06:31] <LiMaO> no man, that's not the way i will contact you
[06:31] <lee_> just a sec
[06:31] <LiMaO> for God's sake, pay attention
[06:31] <LiMaO> open up a terminal, and type that
[06:31] <LiMaO> tell me when it's done installing
[06:32] <lee_> yeah it istalled
[06:32] <LiMaO> ok
[06:33] <LiMaO> now i wlil send you a private message, of what you should type next
[06:33] <lee_> ok
[06:33] <darwin81> My printer (an HP Deskjet 3915) is detected but does not print. It worked fine in Feisty.
[06:33] <LiMaO> lee_: did you see the private message? check out around your window, for any tabs, anything open with my nickname on it
[06:33] <pvl1> might need a driver for it
[06:34] <pvl1> anyone got creox to work?
[06:34] <doofy`> is there a commercial repo for gutsy?
[06:35] <usser> doofy`: its not up yet
[06:35] <LiMaO> lee_: are you there???
[06:35] <usser> doofy`: i guess it will be after release
[06:35] <pvl1> doofy its like 6 days
[06:36] <doofy`> are all the rest of the repos up?
[06:36] <usser> doofy`: yes
[06:36] <lee_> yes i just sent u an im lol
[06:36] <doofy`> thats what i thought. thank you
[06:36] <moparisthebest> for some reason, with gutsy KDE is too slow to even be usable
[06:36] <LiMaO> lee_: have you typed what i told you to type?
[06:36] <moparisthebest> i don't know if it is a KDE problem, or an Xserver problem
[06:36] <lee_> yes
[06:37] <LiMaO> lee_: your private messages will not be sent, because you are not registered on this server
[06:37] <moparisthebest> but irssi is plenty fast without gui
[06:37] <lee_> oh eh ok
[06:37] <lee_> yes to the other thing though
[06:37] <moparisthebest> does anyone else have this issue? or is it just me?
[06:37] <lee_> i coppyd and pasted
[06:37] <LiMaO> lee
[06:38] <LiMaO> now stop moving your mouse
[06:38] <lee_> yea
[06:38] <LiMaO> i will fix your firefox problem, ok?
[06:38] <LiMaO> i will move your mouse for you, and fix it
[06:38] <lee_> ok ah you ca see me
[06:38] <LiMaO> pay attention to what i am doing, so that you learn
[06:38] <LiMaO> yes, i can see your screen now
[06:38] <LiMaO> =)
[06:38] <LiMaO> just stop moving the mouse and i'll fix it for you, ok?
[06:38] <lee_> thats a hell of a sep in right dir lol
[06:38] <wastedfluid> anyone familiar with s2disk.. ?
[06:39] <lee_> oops sory
[06:40] <LiMaO> lee_: can you read me?
[06:41] <lee_> yes
[06:41] <LiMaO> type that same command again on your terminal
[06:41] <lee_> had to move the mouse though
[06:41] <lee_> ok
[06:41] <LiMaO> tell me when done
[06:41] <lee_> ok
[06:42] <atosecond> hey does 7.1 use grub2 or 1
[06:43] <lee_> ok now going fer the pw
[06:43] <lee_> ok
[06:44] <lee_> everything keyed in
[06:45] <moparisthebest> ok, apparantly it is an issue with the xserver, and not KDE, because I just installed xfce to give it a try and I have the same problems, everything is so slow it is unusable
[06:46] <LiMaO> lee_: you are running gutsy!
[06:46] <lee_> yeah
[06:46] <lee_> oh i need feist fawn?
[06:46] <LiMaO> that would be a lot better
[06:46] <LiMaO> feisty fawn 32bit would be perfect for you
[06:46] <moparisthebest> it takes about 60 seconds to load the Kmenu after you click it
[06:46] <lee_> eh I am out of disks
[06:46] <LiMaO> as you would have no problems
[06:47] <lee_> how aobut if I do this
[06:47] <LiMaO> gutsy is still RC1
[06:47] <LiMaO> it has bugs and problems
[06:47] <atosecond> i thought it was rc2
[06:47] <lee_> hang On Ill hlep out a lil I get to that file directly
[06:47] <LiMaO> i can't see your screen anymore
[06:47] <LiMaO> listen up
[06:47] <lee_> grr jsut a sec Ill open and get it back on
[06:47] <LiMaO> the only problem you are having
[06:48] <atosecond> isn't gusty tribe 2?
[06:48] <atosecond> or 3
[06:48] <lee_> ah One dvd rom left
[06:48] <LiMaO> is that you are not being able to download the mplayer plugin
[06:48] <LiMaO> lee_: listen up first
[06:48] <lee_> ok
[06:48] <lee_> I had real bad issues with the 32 bit no joke
[06:49] <lee_> wait I do have fiesty
[06:49] <riotkittie> atosecond: it hit tribe five, then came the beta, then came rc1
[06:49] <atosecond> oh
[06:49] <LiMaO> lee_: what happens if you open up a terminal and type this    wget "http://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=firefoxmplayer.tar.bz2"
[06:49] <chequers> hi all, how do I change dolphin to use the more conventional 'double click to open a folder', rather than the single click method?
[06:50] <lee_> Connecting to help.ubuntu.com|91.189.90.234|:443... connected.
[06:51] <lee_> and then
[06:51] <lee_> ERROR: Certificate verification error for help.ubuntu.com: unable to get local
[06:51] <LiMaO> hmm
[06:51] <lee_> and then this
[06:51] <LiMaO> reinstall your system... get feisty 32bit
[06:51] <LiMaO> believe me, it'll be better for you
[06:51] <lee_> ok
[06:52] <lee_> but man fiestys graphics we crashing me hard cop
[06:52] <lee_> my system cabe that bad
[06:54] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here familiar with .gtkrc-2.0 file editing for fonts?  I can't seem to google to make my fonts bold in gnome
[06:55] <boselecta> what was lee_ trying to do?
[06:56] <boselecta> ez lee_
[06:56] <lee_> erg
[06:56] <lee_> well waht goods a 64 bit system if I have to revert to 32
[06:57] <lee_> well Ill just run 2 hdd
[06:57] <boselecta> what?
[06:57] <lee_> I have the other hdd Ill put it in my system
[06:58] <chequers> if I started with kubuntu gutsy beta, do I need to do anything special to update to RC, or will `apt-get update` do it for me?
[06:58] <lee_> brb
[06:58] <lee_> the grahics are killing this system
[06:58] <lee_> at least the other was stable
[06:59] <usser> chequers: apt-get update will do
[07:00] <chequers> heh, although *upgrade would probably help ;)
[07:00] <x_> hello.  I'm trying to manually partition/format my HDD to have everything encrypted but boot and Windows (NTFS) with the new Gutsy install.  How much space should I allocate to /boot and /swap?
[07:01] <bqmassey> can someone please tell me how to disable Emerald themes
[07:01] <bqmassey> Compiz is starting Emerald.. and i dont want it to
[07:03] <squidin1> just upgraded to RC, and has killed nvidia driver. Anyone else have similar experience?
[07:03] <ISS_Student> What is the difference between the DVD iso and the CD ISO
[07:05] <x_> I think the CD ISO would rely on the server depos more than the DVD..  Wouldn't it?
[07:05] <ISS_Student> I was just curious
[07:06] <ISS_Student> so x did you loose your boot splash screen?
[07:06] <bqmassey> can someone please tell me how to disable Emerald themes
[07:06] <bqmassey> Compiz is starting Emerald.. and i dont want it to
[07:06] <ISS_Student> hey squid what if you try the restricted drivers?
[07:07] <x_> Yeah.  Just my gnome splash.  I think it might be nvidia related but I'm unsure
[07:09] <ISS_Student> I've tried everything I can think of and can't get the boot loading splash screen up I just start the system and step away and let it load lol
[07:11] <squidin1> ISS_Student: seems that it didn't install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-i386 as an upgrade to ...-2.6.22-12-i386
[07:11] <squidin1> Installing it now; will see...
[07:13] <ISS_Student> The thing I am most impressed with as far as rc goes is the fact that I can use the restricted drivers for broadcom  and finally use ubuntu to access my wireless
[07:13] <x_> same here!
[07:13] <x_> My Linksys WMP54GS works like a charm
[07:14] <ISS_Student> I haven't tried the WMP54GS I'm using the built in in my laptop
[07:14] <x_> they're probably all based on the same thing.  But awesome regardless!  hehe
[07:14] <ISS_Student> I want to switch from Gnome to KDE but last time I tried that I lost the wireless all together
[07:15] <x_> I'm waiting for KDE4.  Might give it a try then
[07:15] <x_> But from experience Gnome is a little better on the speed side of things
[07:16] <twinhelix> Hi all. Is it possible to download/compile the Gutsy kernel source with a very minor patch applied without breaking the ABI (i.e. you don't have to recompile linux-restricted-modules or the nvidia driver etc. too)?
[07:17] <atosecond> your way beyond me
[07:18] <ISS_Student> Ok I switched over to the WPC54GS lol
[07:18] <doofy`> is aiglx/compositing still not very stable?
[07:18] <ISS_Student> I can't get 3d effects to work on my ATI in the laptop
[07:19] <doofy`> ISS_Student, i had mine working, but i just reinstalled and they dont anymore
[07:22] <squidin1> twinhelix: use make-kpkg to build a .deb of the kernel
[07:23] <squidin1> hooray I have X back
[07:24] <twinhelix> squidin1: Yup! However most guides suggest using --append-to-version=foobar which presumably breaks the ABI?
[07:26] <doofy`> how can i figure out some details as to why compositing isnt working so that i can file a bug?
[07:26] <squidin1> twinhelix: sorry can't help ya there. You can't compile what you need as a module?
[07:27] <twinhelix> squidin1: Yeah. My laptop has an issue suspending with the 2.6.22 kernel and requires a (very small) patch to the ata_piix driver. I'd have to rebuild the kernel, and I'm wondering if you can rebuild the kernel on its own or whether you have to rebuild all the various restricted drivers too...
[07:29] <gunashekar>  i was adviced to install the latest drivers for alsa. I have downloaded it , can anyone tell me how to install?
[07:30] <squidin1> twinhelix: I'm not really up to speed with restricted drivers. Have you given it a try?
[07:30] <gunashekar>  i was adviced to install the latest drivers for alsa. I have downloaded it , can anyone tell me how to install?
[07:30] <twinhelix> squidin1: Not yet. I don't have Gutsy installed, just the LiveCD atm.
[07:36] <Konam> this bug is still around: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/140821
[07:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140821 in gdm "[gutsy]  Can not change default GNOME splash background color (dup-of: 132833)" [Low,Invalid] 
[07:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132833 in gdm "login background color is hardcoded" [Low,Triaged] 
[07:39] <FunnyLookinHat> well, it is low priority..   :-/
[07:43] <lachlan> how do i get compiz fusion working on 7.10 Kubuntu?
[07:48] <SeanConnery> hey guys, when I load up gutsy with blob nvidia drivers (8400 GS), the system hangs and the login screen never shows up
[07:48] <lee_> ok
[07:48] <SeanConnery> however, num lock turns off and on with a 5 s delay between when I press it and when it actually toggles
[07:48] <SeanConnery> so its not hanging
[07:48] <SeanConnery> but wtf
[07:49] <LiMaO> lee_: hey! you're back
[07:49] <LiMaO> lee_: how's everything now?
[07:50] <lee_> I just want to see if you can get into my system..eh I have to down load festy agin
[07:50] <lee_> frankly Ubuntu isnt stable on this system either
[07:50] <cyclonut> howdy folk - was hoping someone might be able to help me with randr configuration
[07:50] <lee_> waht about kubuntu in fiesty?
[07:50] <LiMaO> i can't access your system properly, because gutsy using some fancy desktop effects that will slow things down
[07:50] <cyclonut> tried grandr but it crashes out immediately
[07:51] <LiMaO> lee_: forget about kubuntu (kde).. you need ubuntu, with gnome
[07:51] <lee_> if that was the case I could have idssabled that
[07:51] <LiMaO> brb
[07:51] <lee_> if its the desk top issue I could dissable that
[07:52] <lee_> that desk top is waht keeps crashing me
[07:52] <lee_> would that help if I were to dissable it?
[07:53] <lee_> just a sec grabing my other drive
[07:53] <lee_> this system was supose to have genome in it
[07:54] <VousDeux> to each their own...I find KDE much more functional than Gnome personally
[07:54] <lee_> brb
[07:56] <moparisthebest> is there any way to use a resolution of 1280x800 using the vesa driver?
[07:56] <moparisthebest> fglrx is obviously too broken to use...
[07:57] <VousDeux> I would be skeptical of that resolution on a vesa driver
[07:57] <moparisthebest> I edited xorg.conf to only have that as an option, but it is still set at 1024x768
[07:58] <moparisthebest> VousDeux, at least X is usable, using any other driver in gutsy so far I cant say the same
[08:00] <VousDeux> 1024x768 is about all I would expect
[08:00] <pbx> Let's say in a fit of minimalism I removed usplash and gdm. Is there an easy way to get that default functionality back if I want it?
[08:01] <VousDeux> I'm using nvidia driver on mine
[08:01] <moparisthebest> ive always had much better luck out of nvidia drivers with linux VousDeux
[08:02] <moparisthebest> unfortunately my laptop has an ATI chipset built in :(
[08:02] <lee_> ok here iam
[08:02] <lee_> on this 32 bit system
[08:03] <lee_> LiMaO I even have the other hdd mounted I think
[08:03] <lee_> see if you can get into this one
[08:04] <lee_> its mounted
[08:04] <LiMaO> lee_: you don't need me to access it anymore
[08:04] <LiMaO> it's 32bit now
[08:04] <LiMaO> everything you need should be available easily
[08:04] <LiMaO> let me give you a link
[08:04] <lee_> its my hdd for my ps2
[08:04] <LiMaO> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty
[08:05] <LiMaO> check that site
[08:05] <LiMaO> it has everything you need now =)
[08:05] <lee_> what did you do last time to get it to work?
[08:05] <LiMaO> but let me know if you have any doubt
[08:05] <lee_> actually I am not totally fiesty..I am gutsy
[08:05] <helloyo> my video playback has gotten worse in the new kubuntu, fast forward doesn't work well, what could be the problem?
[08:05] <lee_> I upgraded it online though
[08:06] <lee_> not form the rom
[08:06] <lee_> Illbrb
[08:06] <FunnyLookinHat> helloyo, probably just your CPU being too slow...  fast forwarding video can be pretty processor intensive
[08:06] <alka_trash> gutsy is pretty sweet, but the upgrade failed on my desktop
[08:07] <alka_trash> I did a fresh install and all was good
[08:07] <lee_> well not for me, gutsy reeks havock with my video
[08:07] <FunnyLookinHat> The upgrades are generally a bit iffy   :-/
[08:07] <lee_> KDE how ever kept it stable
[08:07] <helloyo> FunnyLookinHat: i didn't used to have the issue, shouldn't my video card take care of a lot of it?
[08:08] <moparisthebest> helloyo, what kind of video card do you have?
[08:08] <alka_trash> FunnyLookinHat: I have found it best to just partition my home folder separately and then do a new install
[08:09] <lee_> woa wait a minute waht this mean?
[08:09] <lee_> * data/displayconfig-gtk.desktop.in: Change "OnlyShowIn=GNOME" to
[08:09] <lee_>     "NotShowIn=KDE" to make it appear in XFCE, too.
[08:09] <lee_> theyere changing the updates
[08:09] <helloyo> moparisthebest: i have an NVIDIA 7300GT
[08:10] <lee_> I was offline the first time we had success ...the comoputer never updated
[08:10] <lee_> while in its install mode
[08:10] <moparisthebest> well that shouldn't be a problem, never had nvidia driver problems with linux before
[08:10] <helloyo> moparisthebest: yeah, it runs great, including fast forwarding before
[08:11] <lee_> its also a heck of a lot slower surfing the down loads
[08:12] <Rob125> quick question for you lads and lasses: has anybody noticed a significant firefox slowdown since installing gutsy?
[08:12] <helloyo> Rob125: nope
[08:12] <Rob125> Hm.
[08:12] <wubuntu> does anybody know a solution about the ralink rt61 driver?
[08:13] <lee_> eh wait Iamm confused
[08:13] <moparisthebest> Rob125, X in general, including firefox
[08:13] <Rob125> mo: okay, good, then -- it's not me.
[08:13] <Rob125> I've noticed especially when I have compiz-fusion running.
[08:13] <lee_> if this is all gutsy, and all is fiesty, and the updates say that they have genome then wah thte heck are the fdifferences
[08:13] <Rob125> The stupid crash manager greys up each time I backspace past the start of a line.
[08:14] <moparisthebest> I have to run with the vesa driver, none of the other ones work :P
[08:14] <wubuntu> sorry meant rt61pci
[08:14] <moparisthebest> fglrx and ati both freeze up
[08:14] <Rob125> Heh. Funny story -- I'm running an ATI 9600, and compiz fusion worked right off of the CD...
[08:14] <moparisthebest> really?
[08:14] <Rob125> ... until I installed the restricted driver. Whole thing crashed and burned.
[08:14] <moparisthebest> mine is an ati 9600 as well
[08:15] <moparisthebest> so what driver are you running now?
[08:15] <Rob125> Whatever the heck was on the CD.
[08:15] <crdlb> (ati)
[08:15] <crdlb> aka radeon
[08:15] <Rob125> fglrx, probs?
[08:15] <moparisthebest> would you mind pasting me a copy of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf? :)
[08:15] <Rob125> Yes, Radeon.
[08:15] <moparisthebest> to a pastebin or something perhaps
[08:15] <Rob125> I'll see what I can do, or at least I'll find the graphics section
[08:16] <crdlb> moparisthebest, what happens if you try to use "ati" ?
[08:16] <Rob125> mo: using ati, yes.
[08:17] <moparisthebest> crdlb, mostly it crashes out back to the login screen, once it was just extremely slow or locked up like fglrx
[08:17] <n08l3> hey gutsy folks
[08:17] <moparisthebest> both ati and fglrx worked great under the last 2 ubuntu's
[08:17] <Rob125> http://paste.ubuntu.com/885/
[08:17] <moparisthebest> 6.10 and 7.04
[08:18] <Rob125> I had sketchy luck at best under 6.10, but 7.04 really works.
[08:18] <n08l3> there was some problems with my 3945 card, i mean it kept behaving in weird way like connecting to wireless randomly, then it won't work.
[08:18] <moparisthebest> ill give that a try Rob125, thanks
[08:18] <Rob125> What has really improved is setting resolution and monitor stuffs.
[08:18] <n08l3> so i thought to rebuild the driver using http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=140085&page=1
[08:18] <Rob125> no probs.
[08:18] <n08l3> but the last line ./load gave me syntax error
[08:18] <n08l3> any help, here is that file http://pastebin.com/m67497e30
[08:20] <dave__> Thanks. I installed Gutsy RC.   I have a 128mb ram.   Performance was bad on gnome.  Gnome was using about 260mb of memory.  I added xfce it is using about 126mb of memory.  I have a couple of questions.  I have 3 empty banks of memory.  I am not sure what type of memory modules this needs. Is there a command in terminal that can display that info?
[08:20] <usser> dave__: i dont think there is
[08:21] <usser> dave__: is it a laptop?
[08:21] <usser> dave__: oh its not :)
[08:21] <buntunub> you can try ps aux
[08:21] <unstable> Can I do encrypted file system with gutsy like I can with debian etch?
[08:21] <usser> dave__: take out the one u have installed it supposed to say what kind of memory it is
[08:22] <Rob125> unstable: yeah, actually, you can...
[08:22] <Rob125> unstable: Two seconds while I find the link. Chister Edwards just had a blog post about that 3 days ago.
[08:22] <dave__> usser, it is a desktop.  HP P3 computer
[08:22] <Rob125> Christer*
[08:23] <Rob125> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/09/ubuntu-710-gutsy-supporting-install-time-encryption/
[08:23] <Rob125> Check that out, unstable.
[08:23] <usser> dave__: just read what it says there on the memory u have installed
[08:24] <dave__> also I am using IGP for video.  I have a pci radeon card.  But it wont work out of box.  Was wondering how hard is it to configure ubuntu to use it, or do I upgrade to a cheap nvidia pci/apg card aswell?
[08:24] <Rob125> dave__: You should check under system->preferences->hardware information for your memory type.
[08:25] <dave__> Right now I a fixing a old dekstop for my in-laws.  But I think gnome would be easier for them to use that xfce.
[08:26] <Rob125> I dunno. I think xfce is so damn close to gnome, they wouldn't tell the difference.
[08:26] <localgod13> anyone run a nvidai geforce mx 400
[08:26] <dave__> This IGP 82815 Chipset Graphics Controller (CGC)  doesnt seem to cut it
[08:28] <dave__> What section in the hardware information would my memory be listed?
[08:28] <Rob125> Might not even be there.
[08:29] <Rob125> That was a general suggestion - if it were anywhere, it'd be there.
[08:29] <dave__> I see a lot of stuff in the Device Manger but not memory info
[08:29] <Rob125> If that fails, open your box up :P
[08:29] <dave__> box is partly open up now
[08:29] <dave__> this is a P3 coopermine cpu.  How much would memory cost for this off the tip of your head?
[08:29] <Rob125> Well, you'd have to turn it off to check on the memory, most likely.
[08:29] <usser> dave__: turn off comp take out the memory and read the dang label
[08:30] <dave__> powering down to look at label
[08:30] <Rob125> How much? Damned if I know :P
[08:30] <usser> memorys cheap
[08:30] <Rob125> It's older, so it probably uses single-channel stuff.
[08:30] <Rob125> Well, if you can find it, it is.
[08:31] <usser> yea he P3 huh he probably has pc133
[08:31] <usser> they dont make it no more
[08:31] <moparisthebest> hehe, that makes no sense
[08:31] <Rob125> how'd it work, mo?
[08:31] <moparisthebest> using the ati driver, it will let me log all the way into KDE, load about half of the desktop icons, and then crash back out to the login screen
[08:32] <Rob125> Hoom.
[08:32] <Rob125> I haven't tested it with KDE -- I'm a strictly gnome-sort-of-guy.
[08:33] <moparisthebest> it's not a KDE thing either, does the same thing with xfce
[08:33] <moparisthebest> I installed xfce just to be sure :)
[08:33] <lee_> hmm if Linux is well i ned to take this drive out
[08:33] <segu> DCC SEND GPTisreallyfuckinggayha 0 0 0
[08:33] <lee_> put it back into my ps2
[08:34] <d1n0> Is there anyone who think I can get DualScreens (NOT with clone, Only Extended desktop) to work with ATI Radeon HD2400 on either Ubuntu, Xubuntu 7.04, 7.10?
[08:34] <Rob125> well, there goes my theory that Knights of the Old Republic would work with Wine and Gutsy.
[08:34] <Rob125> d1n0: if there was any version of Ubuntu that'd do it, Gutsy'd be the one.
[08:36] <moparisthebest> maybe ill just try compiling my own kernel and see what happens
[08:36] <moparisthebest> it helped my desktop system
[08:36] <Rob125> never done that yet.
[08:37] <lee_> wers that sight at that was showing how to convert the 64 bit?
[08:37] <moparisthebest> its actually much easier than it sounds
[08:37] <Rob125> Good to know. It sounds like attending dentistry school.
[08:37] <moparisthebest> if I can find the same tutorial that I used before Ill link you to it
[08:37] <lee_> firefox so it can do the graphics?
[08:38] <d1n0> Rob125: you mean, Extended desktop doesnt work in Feisty, with whatever videocard you choose to try with? OR, my only hope for the HD2400 card is to install Gutsy?
[08:38] <Rob125> ... I dunno if I'd really ever have a need to compile it, but it'd be good to know, if you can find it.
[08:39] <Rob125> d1n0: I have no knowledge about whether or not it'd work in feisty. I suppose I could boot up my laptop, but it's all the way across the room.... I can predict with 75% accuracy that it WILL work in Gutsy, though.
[08:39] <moparisthebest> http://www.howtoforge.com/roll_a_kernel_debian_ubuntu_way Rob125
[08:39] <d1n0> Cause I have tried with Ubuntu 7.04, Xubuntu 7.04, 7.10 tribe 5 etc.
[08:39] <moparisthebest> except I didn't check out the kernel sources from the repos like it says
[08:40] <moparisthebest> I downloaded a vanilla kernel from kernel.org
[08:40] <moparisthebest> and copied over the .config from the kernel I was running as a starting point
[08:40] <d1n0> Rob125: you got a hd2400 videocard on your laptop? dont think the mobilty card can be compared to the desktop hd2400
[08:41] <moparisthebest> d1n0, I have heard of people getting dual screens working, but I don't know what cards they used :/
[08:41] <Rob125> If you've tried with 7.04, then it definitely doesn't work on Feisty :P -- I can't say for sure, d1n0. All I've got is an Intel Integrated and a Radeon 9600. All I can tell you is whether or not the OS itself has the capacity.
[08:41] <d1n0> moparisthebest: i've gotten it to work, with nvidia videocard. and i get dual screens to work now too, but ONLY cloned picture on my tv...
[08:42] <moparisthebest> nvidia cards do work much better under linux than ATI in my experiance, hopefully you can find a way
[08:44] <DShepherd> 4 days to go
[08:45] <usser> wow its like christmas
[08:45] <usser> counting days ;)
[08:45] <lee_> ehh i found da ooops
[08:57] <MattRossi> 4 more days...
[08:59] <MattRossi> Rob125: what, aren't you excited?
[08:59] <Rob125> It's still too buggy for me to update my production machines.
[09:00] <MattRossi> Rob125: i've found it fine, but i'm not going to force my opinion onto you anyway
[09:00] <Rob125> Heh.
[09:01] <Rob125> I've had problems with X and stuff.
[09:01] <MattRossi> yeah
[09:01] <Rob125> I guess I'm just not excited for new releases.
[09:01] <Rob125> I've been doing this since Dapper.
[09:01] <MattRossi> actually, i've had problems with X too, but which have _sort_ of been rectified
[09:03] <Rob125> I'm waiting for compiz-fusion to actually develop some useful functionality.
[09:03] <Rob125> what I'm REALLY excited for is KDE4.0
[09:03] <earlmred> omg.
[09:03] <earlmred> watching "talk show"
[09:03] <earlmred> "and here's a word from our sponsors, who i hear are big on the internet, LEMONPARTY"
[09:05] <earlmred> you've never heard of lemonparty?
[09:05] <earlmred> google it, it's the first link
[09:07] <localgod13> earlmred: i hate you so much
[09:07] <localgod13> so much
[09:07] <earlmred> localgod13, heh, well, here's the clip i saw on tv: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/38560/
[09:07] <earlmred> that will make you feel better
[09:08] <localgod13> earlmred: goatse
[09:08] <localgod13> not a chance
[09:09] <earlmred> you're not a member of the internet community if you haven't seen goatse, tubgirl, or lemonparty
[09:09] <Rob125> Oh.
[09:09] <Rob125> In the same sentence as tubgirl?
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[09:11] <RoboticTao> My lightscribe is continuously reading after I have upgraded to gusty. If I eject the disk it will immediately close. Any ideas other than disconnecting the drive or reinstalling fiesty?
[09:12] <cyclonut> hallo all, xrandr treates my VGA output as the primary monitor when something is hooked up to it. Does anyone know a way to make xrandr treat my laptop screen (LVDS) as the primary?
[09:16] <Rob125> cyclonut: have you tried in system->administration->screens and graphics?
[09:16] <Rob125> (I don't know if that will resolve it, but it'd be the first place I'd look)
[09:17] <cyclonut> Rob125: that doesn't achieve what I need
[09:17] <cyclonut> going through xrandr achieves hotswappability
[09:17] <cyclonut> i.e. I plug in my external and boom, I've got extended desktop
[09:17] <Rob125> Ahh, okay. Well, I learn something new every minute.
[09:18] <Rob125> Can't help you then.
[09:18] <cyclonut> only sad part is that it treats the external as the primary, moving panels and whatnot over to that monitor
[09:18] <cyclonut> Rob125: Thanks anyways :)
[09:20] <RoboticTao> Can I install earlier versions of the 2.6 kernel in gusty and also install the nvidia drivers? It doesn't seem to be working for me.
[09:22] <cyclonut> RoboticTao: I've never had luck with earlier kernels in newer ubuntu's
[09:22] <cyclonut> however, you may be able to choose from previously installed ones at grub
[09:23] <RoboticTao> I have a strange kernel bug with my dvd drive in gusty but I have a 2.6.15 kernel installed. However the nvidia driver will no longer work with that kernel in gusty.
[09:23] <RoboticTao> I don't get the same error with the 2.6.15 kernel btw
[09:24] <cyclonut> sorry, I dont know enough linux-fu to help you there, RoboticTao
[09:25] <RoboticTao> cyclonut: I guess I have to cross my fingers and hope they fix it by the release or I'm going to be trying to fix this one for days I think.
[09:26] <cyclonut> I know how you feel.
[09:26] <cyclonut> I get random kernel panics still
[09:26] <cyclonut> I've decided that I am just going to treat this as an experimental install (I upgraded from feisty), instead of starting fresh with gutsy like I normally would
[09:27] <cyclonut> Ill wait to reformat until hardy comes ous
[09:28] <RoboticTao> cyclonut: I knew it would most likely break something when I installed it. It's a challenge, there isn't anything on this machine that is critical. My server still runs 6.06 :)
[09:28] <cyclonut> good idea. see, me? Im a dummy
[09:28] <cyclonut> this is my development machine
[09:29] <cyclonut> and yes, I just haaaaaad to upgrade
[09:29] <RoboticTao> lol, I have the same bug. I just learned the hard way to backup always first
[09:29] <cyclonut> my reasoning is that this is a laptop, and every new release tends to make leaps and bounds when it comes to lappys
[09:30] <AlanBShepard70> Should I be nervous that with a fresh install of Gutsy I got a warning "Could not grab mouse" Your system may be infected?
[09:31] <RoboticTao> I decided that the true benefit to linux is the ability to leave a install untouched for years and it will still be stable and reliable. But the new stuff is always fun.
[09:31] <cyclonut> aye
[09:31] <n08l3__> could anyone help in getting the sound working
[09:31] <n08l3__> I am having intel 82801H sound card
[09:31] <cyclonut> I like messing about... for example, gutsy has improved battery life, and gotten extended desktop working properly for me
[09:31] <n08l3__> but no sound
[09:32] <cyclonut> n08l3__: check your sound sliders
[09:32] <cyclonut> make sure both are turned up, and the sound is set to use your sound card, not some random one
[09:32] <n08l3__> i cannot control any of that
[09:32] <n08l3__> i mean it gave me warning saying that soundcard may not be configured
[09:32] <LiMaO> AlanBShepard70: infected linux system? that sure is scary =P
[09:33] <cyclonut> n08l3__: humm. well, is it or is it not
[09:33] <n08l3__> or no volume control gstreamer plugin is there
[09:33] <cyclonut> system > pref > sound
[09:33] <n08l3__> alright i m in the sound
[09:34] <n08l3__> but there are no slides
[09:34] <n08l3__> sliders
[09:34] <n08l3__> and the default mixer is aslo blank
[09:34] <cyclonut> with no options?
[09:34] <n08l3__> well I have some options
[09:34] <cyclonut> ...such as?
[09:35] <n08l3__> say i click on Test, to test the sound, it said Could not open resource for writing.
[09:35] <n08l3__> I have 3 tabs in the sound Devices, Sounds, System Beep
[09:35] <cyclonut> n08l3__: what are you options for default mixer?
[09:36] <n08l3__> The default mixer is blank, nothing there
[09:36] <cyclonut> oh, thought you said you had options
[09:36] <cyclonut> in that case, nothing is installed... which is odd
[09:36] <n08l3__> yes nothing is installed, i m sorry for that miscommunication
[09:36] <cyclonut> try sudo apt-get install alsautils
[09:37] <lee_> LiMaO......guess what.......IF YOUR ON IT WORKS
[09:37] <LiMaO> what works?
[09:37] <lee_> smiles sheepishly hee hee
[09:37] <silent> does anyone here know of a way to get a more current kernel than 22-14
[09:37] <lee_> that script you sent me
[09:37] <RoboticTao> silent: compile from source
[09:37] <n08l3__> cyclonut: It replied E: Couldn't find package alsautils
[09:37] <Orb125> silent: Download gutsy CD. Install.
[09:37] <lee_> im opperating it off of the 64 bit
[09:38] <RoboticTao> silent: use git to download the kernel source
[09:38] <silent> Orb125, this is gutsy... it runs 22-14
[09:38] <Orb125> Really?
[09:38] <Orb125> Nah.
[09:38] <silent> uname -r
[09:38] <lee_> the key was wipng the drive totally
[09:38] <lee_> and reloading
[09:38] <cyclonut> n08l3__: alsa-utils then
[09:38] <cyclonut> you may need to do alsa-base as well
[09:38] <lee_> and saying no to the up dates
[09:39] <Orb125> Well, I'll be painted blue.
[09:39] <lee_> its the frigging up dtaes that ws preventing it
[09:39] <n08l3__> cyclonut: Installed
[09:39] <silent> RoboticTao, so, as far as compiling the kernel.. all I need to do is ./configure make make install?
[09:39] <lee_> so your script works with the acceptin of the m player
[09:40] <lee_> seems to have some contaversy
[09:40] <cyclonut> n08l3__: try a restart and see if it gets configured
[09:40] <n08l3__> no actually its already there, i mean the alsa-utils, it just said its already the newest version
[09:40] <n08l3__> so i just want to said, that its already installed
[09:40] <lee_> so the questin now is...should i execute the up dates or not after doing this
[09:41] <RoboticTao> silent: it depends. Check the link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[09:41] <RoboticTao> in ubuntu you will use fakeroot
[09:41] <lee_> if nothing happens all is ok but..if i lose it then it is the updates
[09:42] <lee_> so i am up dating..i still have the code ok
[09:42] <lee_> or the scrpt even though th mplayer is broke , flas and java work
[09:42] <cyclonut> n08l3__: im not sure atm... its really late any the brain isnt doing what it should
[09:43] <cyclonut> n08l3__: sorry friend.
[09:43] <n08l3__> cyclonut: Thanks for trying, i appreciate your help
[09:43] <lee_> basic summery
[09:43] <n08l3__> anyways its time to sleep now,i will try it tomorrow,
[09:43] <n08l3__> Gud nite folks
[09:43] <lee_> do not update the machine
[09:44] <lee_> 2: download fire fox
[09:44] <cyclonut> gnight and g'luck
[09:44] <lee_> 3: do not open fire fox
[09:45] <lee_> run the script
[09:45] <heartsblood> is gProftpd broken in gutsy, or is it completely fubar in all distros?
[09:45] <lee_> dragging it into the konsole
[09:46] <lee_> pressenter and answer yes and when the graphical boxes popup...tab to ok then tab to yes
[09:47] <lee_> eh tab to ok hit enter anthen tab to yes and enter
[09:47] <lee_> then it goes from there
[09:48] <lee_> maybe in my frustration i hit no on the second part not sure..but its working in KDE
[09:48] <Orb125> Okay, time to extricate myself.
[09:48] <Orb125> NN, folks.
[09:48] <lee_> iam hitting the hay
[09:49] <lee_> so LiMaO it works....just the m player parts broken
[09:49] <lee_> not your fault though lol
[09:49] <LiMaO> lee_: that's great! i'm happy now =)
[09:50] <lee_> after follwing a  half a dozen links I think they are pulling it
[09:50] <LiMaO> lee_: are you a man or a woman?
[09:50] <lee_> the m player part taht is
[09:50] <lee_> Iam a man lol
[09:51] <lee_> and noted for my not giving up lol
[09:51] <lee_> eh you?
[09:51] <lee_> any ways I dead dog tired
[09:52] <lee_> there are 93 updates
[09:52] <lee_> well merlin has the right idea
[09:52] <lee_> Bead
[09:53] <LiMaO> i'm a man too =)
[09:53] <lee_> I investigated that link heck of a lot of run around though lol...well, lol Iam straight..so Ill shake your hand lol
[09:54] <LiMaO> and you're right, one should never give up =)
[09:54] <LiMaO> i'm out to sleep now
[09:54] <LiMaO> see ya tomorrow
[09:54] <LiMaO> =)
[09:54] <lee_> I gues either omit the m player line or we try to find the link
[09:54] <LiMaO> i'll get a new link tomorrow
[09:54] <lee_> yeah see if the up dates take it away
[09:55] <lee_> Bow I know why programmers get the bucks
[09:55] <lee_> well save for us fre sourcers lol
[09:55] <lee_> EOL
[09:56] <lee_> end of Line
[09:57] <cyclonut> this xrandr thing is gonna drive me nuts
[09:57] <cyclonut> (arrgh this wheel is driving me nuts)
[10:01] <wers> is it safe for me to use OpenSync's Feisty Repo on Gutsy?
[10:03] <Hobbsee> probably not.
[10:03] <Hobbsee> depends, see if the stuff installs.
[10:06] <Michae1> hello :) all
[10:07] <x_> hey folks!  I finally figured out the HDD encryption in the installer.  Pretty sweet!
[10:07] <Michae1> i have to questions about Ubuntu 7.10 :D
[10:07] <Michae1> about the video and the surround sound
[10:07] <x_> The only problem I have after encrypting from install is that the NTFS drive appears on the desktop after install and I can't unmount it :(
[10:07] <Psi-Jack> Okay. Anyone know how to mess with alsa so I can specifically order my 3 sound devices specifically, instead of randomly having one sound card default over the other? LOL
[10:07] <Michae1> two*
[10:08] <wers> Hobbsee, but if the stuff installs, would it be fine or would there be potential side-effects?
[10:08] <Michae1> is there any encoder for alsa or amarok that mackes stereo to 5.1 channel???
[10:08] <Michae1> makes
[10:09] <JenFraggle> can anyone help me to get my wireless working?
[10:10] <Michae1> use wifi radar
[10:10] <Michae1> :D
[10:10] <Hobbsee> wers: there are always potential side-effects when building things with 2 different base versions, and interacting them
[10:10] <Psi-Jack> Anyone? ;)
[10:10] <Michae1> JenFraggle--use wifiRadar
[10:10] <wers> okay. thanks hobsee. I guess, I'm just going to look for debs, but would it be fine if I just install what I need then remove the repo immediately?
[10:11] <JenFraggle> I use that, doesn't help
[10:11] <JenFraggle> I've tried 2 different wireless cards but neither can connect
[10:13] <Mulder> what happensto the specifications targetted for gutsy but dont look likethey're going to get done, but dont have a 'deferred' status on launchpad?
[10:14] <hylje> they get pushed to gutsy+1
[10:14] <Mulder> ah
[10:14] <Mulder> same with the bugs?
[10:15] <hylje> bugs get fixed in gutsy
[10:15] <Michae1> gusty is the best :D big fan and user , bye bye win XP forever
[10:15] <Mulder> i guess  developers have a lot ontheir plate then if they want to get all the launchpad bugs fixed by thursday
[10:16] <Mulder> still outstanding ones from tribe 6
[10:18] <x_> I don't think most users can call it quits for Windows just yet.  A lot of "Joe Public" still want to use MSN Messenger.
[10:18] <x_> With all the features that the original client has
[10:18] <Mulder> pidgin :)
[10:18] <Mulder> yeh
[10:18] <Mulder> whtieboard would be nice
[10:20] <x_> Pidgin is nice.  But the author keeps holding off on webcam implementation.
[10:20] <x_> I guess it's no small task.
[10:20] <AboSamoor> i have a problem with removing ldap-account-manager i got an error which makes dpkg exit with return value (1), so i can't make any updates . this is a thread for the error message http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40604/
[10:21] <usser> x_: try kopete
[10:21] <jscinoz> Is the version of Azureus in the official repos ever going to be updated? a whole lot of crashes are fixed in the latest version, yet the one in the repo is still outdated
[10:21] <dave__> It appears that I have a Radeon RV6P  PCI card.  I have to remove the card to get a sucessful boot.   What do I need to do to make card work in gutsy?
[10:23] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[10:23] <dave__> also I tried installing FluxBox.  But when I boot into fluxbox right click for menu does not work.  So I resort back to xfce
[10:24] <Psi-Jack> How come asoundconf isn't working in 7.10?  I tried to make it set my default sound card, and.. It's not.
[10:25] <AboSamoor> how i can make updates without removing a package that makes problems  ?
[10:36] <JenFraggle> Gutsy seems to have a lot more problems than Feisty did.  I went to Feisty at the beta stage and had no problems.  Gutsy rc on the other hand is problematic.  I'll probably stick with Feisty and go straight to Hardy
[10:38] <x_> Will Hardy be the spit and polish release?
[10:41] <ysth1> until just recently, I had both the gnash and nonfree flash mozilla plugins installed, and firefox would use whatever had been most recently installed; now flashplugin-nonfree doesn't seem to get registered with firefox when the gnash plugin is installed
[10:42] <ysth1> is this intentional, I wonder?
[10:44] <joakim-> "nspluginwrapper -i /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so"  might help ysth1
[10:45] <ysth1> where's nspluginwrapper?
[10:46] <joakim-> oh that is for 64 bit :)
[10:46] <joakim-> sorry
[10:46] <joakim-> i have no idea
[10:46] <joakim-> i had a similar problem and had to manually install the flashplugin
[10:47] <ysth1> uninstalling the gnash and installing the flash plugin works; it's just an extra step.
[10:50] <thomas> I just update to gutsy, thougt dist upgrade in adept and now some of my (fn) shortkeys on my laptop don't work anymore
[10:50] <thomas> through*
[10:50] <ysth1> anyway, thanks, joakim
[10:57] <flavia> hi, how do I enable multimedia codecs in kubuntu? In feisty I used to enable the medibuntu repository, but right now there isn't a gutsy repo
[10:58] <hangthedj> flavia, try 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras'
[11:00] <hangthedj> for amarok mp3 i think you need libxine1-ffmpeg
[11:01] <Ramy> i cannot remove ldap-account-manager  package because i cannot restart apache 2 , http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40604/ . can anyone help me please ?!!!
[11:01] <flavia> hangthedj: nice thanks, what about libdecss, is it in the restricted-extras?
[11:01] <thomas> anyone an idea how i can get my laptop specific hotkeys to work (the fn keys), they worked perfectly in feisty but some died after upgrade to gutsy
[11:02] <hangthedj> flavia, do you mean libdvdcss?
[11:02] <hangthedj> thomas, what kind of laptop do you have?
[11:02] <flavia> hangthedj: yes, that should be it :)
[11:03] <hangthedj> flavia, right now, i'm using the feisty repo on medibuntu and it works fine.
[11:03] <thomas> hangthedj: toshiba sattelite A200-1k8
[11:03] <hangthedj> on a desktop and a laptop
[11:04] <flavia> hangthedj: ok I just read on the forum that there is a medibuntu gutsy repository
[11:04] <hangthedj> thomas, i have a toshiba sattelite a135-a...something rather.  are all the Fn keys not working?
[11:05] <hangthedj> i found that i had to manually edit what apps did what with the specific keys.
[11:05] <thomas> hangthedj:  no only some of them, like the brightness hotkeys
[11:06] <hangthedj> Kmilo is a piece of ...
[11:06] <thomas> hangthedj: they stopped working
[11:06] <kishan> hi i just installed gusty and open office crashes when i start it any help or ideas
[11:06] <thomas> hangthedj: and i'm using same vga driver
[11:06] <thomas> hangthedj: brb
[11:06] <hangthedj> thomas, i haven't figured out the brightness hotkeys yet for gutsy... unfortunetly, cause before i upgraded it was all the way down.
[11:07] <hangthedj> so my monitor is dim.  i tried changed it in /proc, but it wouldn't work
[11:07] <hangthedj> kishan, what part of openoffice?
[11:08] <kishan> writer
[11:08] <kishan> X-Error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
[11:08] <kishan>         Major opcode: 53 (X_CreatePixmap)
[11:08] <kishan>         Resource ID:  0x40002b2
[11:08] <kishan>         Serial No:    3576 (3576)
[11:08] <kishan> These errors are reported asynchronously,
[11:08] <kishan> set environment variable SAL_SYNCHRONIZE to 1 to help debugging
[11:09] <kishan> this is the error
[11:09] <hangthedj> I'm new to this channel, but i'm sure somebody has said this before :
[11:09] <webulator70> does anyone notice nautilus in gutsy cant preview audio like it did in feisty?
[11:09] <hangthedj> if your stuck on gutsy... try searching on https://bugs.launchpad.net
[11:11] <hangthedj> if your serious about linux and ubuntu, setup an account, it gets you an account on launchpad.net and ubuntuforums.org
[11:11] <kishan> yes yes i didthat
[11:11] <kishan> do u want me file a bug report
[11:11] <hangthedj> even adding something that says, my ubuntu computer doesn't work because, helps the linux community grow! ;)
[11:11] <hangthedj> kishan, if you can't find one.  post one.
[11:12] <hangthedj> :D
[11:12] <kishan> okok thanks
[11:12] <hangthedj> i don't know much about openoffice, i use koffice..
[11:12] <thomas> hangthedj: any more insights in the fn key problem?
[11:13] <thomas> food
[11:13] <flavia> one more question: how come firefox is still in english even though I have installed the italian locale?
[11:13] <hangthedj> thomas, they have a couple days.. ;)  feisty worked fine as far as hotkeys, gutsy.. the first update, screen brightness worked.. last update.. doesn't.
[11:14] <hangthedj> flavia, i'm sure its an option
[11:15] <hangthedj> flavia, go to edit -> preferences -> content -> and click advanced in the fonts and colors -> default character encoding
[11:15] <hangthedj> i think
[11:16] <hit> can anyone tell me why i don't have any sound in firefox with flash anymore?
[11:16] <hangthedj> no i guess not.
[11:19] <hangthedj> flavia, i'm installing the italian language, to see.. i don't speak any language but english, and i'm really not very good at that.
[11:23] <hangthedj> flavia, go to edit -> preferences -> advanced -> Languages
[11:23] <dantje> I'm trying to install Gutsy RC on a Samsung v25 laptop, but only see a black screen ("boot: live acpi=off napic nolapic vga=771") Feisty used to work. What am I missing?
[11:24] <flavia> hangthedj: got it, thanks a lot
[11:25] <hangthedj> flavia, np, hey now i'm browsing in italian!  nothing makes any sense to me, so i'll change back.
[11:32] <er> hi :)
[11:32] <er> any virtual box users here?
[11:32] <hangthedj> !hi | er
[11:32] <ubotu> er: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[11:32] <er> hey ubotu
[11:33] <er> the friendly channel bot
[11:33] <watchme> hi all
[11:34] <watchme> I've got a question about gutsy and the keyboard settings....
[11:34] <hangthedj> er, in my opinion the best way to get virtualbox working is to go to the virtualbox website and get the gutsy package.
[11:34] <er> i just installed kubuntu 7.10 RC and would like to set up "virtualbox". How can i add the sources? thanks :)
[11:34] <hangthedj> er, thats what i did.  i think they must have just added it to the repos
[11:34] <er> yes, i can see virtualbox-ose
[11:35] <er> and server/client packages
[11:35] <er> but vbox complains ....  needs kernel sources
[11:35] <ephracis> Hi.
[11:36] <hangthedj> er, download the package from virtualbox.org then 'sudo dpkg -i virtualbox-package.deb
[11:36] <er> cool! thanks man :)
[11:36] <watchme> I 've got an english Keyboard. But as a germen citizen, I sometimes need the Letters called "Umlaute". Before gutsy I solved this, by adding a few lines to a .xmodmap and load it by default. But with Gutsy this method seems not to work :( does anyone have an idea, how I can get my xmodmap working? thx
[11:36] <ephracis> I have a network with two computer, running Gutsy RC. I connected a printer to one of them via USB and it worked fine. But now I want to share it to the other gutsy computer.
[11:38] <hangthedj> er, 'apt-get install linux-headers-generic'
[11:38] <er> libgettextlib-0.16.1.so (how can i install this because i need to use blender) thanks :)
[11:38] <er> thanks gangthedj :)
[11:39] <watchme> or better: how can I disable this windows-lookalike-keyboard-settings-tool ?
[11:40] <hangthedj> er, try 'aptitude search libgettext'
[11:40] <hangthedj> and install the package you need.
[11:40] <hangthedj> looks like a ruby header
[11:40] <er> ok, thanks :)
[11:44] <Muhammad7> I can't enable desktop effects :( after I restored Xserver
[11:46] <er> GOOD news :) kubuntu just won my heart :) blender (latest linux build from graphicsall.org is up and running) THanks hangthedj!
[11:48] <kritzstapf> i need to reinstall my ubuntu and im thinking of using gutsy instead of feisty, is it safe for daily use at this point of developement?
[11:48] <Muhammad3> I can't enable desktop effects after I had restored Xserver :(
[11:48] <Muhammad3> please help me
[11:48] <stefg> kritzstapf: no... gutsy has serious issues still
[11:49] <er> VirtualBox kernel driver - how do i install this?
[11:49] <watchme> I think I will put gutsy where it belongs.. :(
[11:49] <weltall> the 64bit screen power off on splash logo is still there :S
[11:49] <er> stefg: like what?
[11:49] <watchme> er: read My post above
[11:49] <er> k
[11:50] <watchme> a non working keboard sucks :)
[11:50] <er> oh, the keyboard thing
[11:50] <er> das ist nicht gut ;)
[11:50] <watchme> and no way to get rid of the Tool
[11:50] <Muhammad3> I can't enable desktop effects after I had restored Xserver :(
[11:50] <stefg> er, consoles not working is the most obvious... myriads... it's just not ready for release, but i know that ubuntu won't care, and release it unfinished
[11:50] <watchme> ;)
[11:51] <er> i'm returning to the ubuntu family after a long brake and hope that this time, it will be better
[11:51] <watchme> er: to have only "Wizards" for everything was my major reason for leaving MS Windows... :D
[11:52] <davidw> consoles don't work?
[11:52] <Muhammad3> I can't enable desktop effects after I had restored Xserver :(
[11:52] <stefg> er, so honestly speaking gutsy is a release to skip, like edgy was... or at least wait until December to touch it
[11:52] <er> watchme: i deleted xp and want kubuntu as my major os but i need virtualbox for one app (work releated)
[11:52] <Muhammad3> I can't enable desktop effects after I had restored Xserver :(
[11:52] <er> stefg: so far, it looks ok (Besides the menu being screwed up with lots of additional text)
[11:52] <Muhammad3> help please
[11:53] <watchme> Muhammad3: reinstall :D
[11:53] <stefg> er, YMMV. With me not even the stock kernel works (on 3 year old hardware, chosen for linux-compatibility) ..:-(
[11:54] <er> i have everything working, even on the laptop
[11:54] <pvh> Over the last few days my wifi has started mysteriously disconnecting from the network after an hour or two of use.
[11:54] <stefg> er; so boot with vga=791 and ctrl-f1 to a console
[11:54] <pvh> Nothing I can find will reconnect, and the network use light flickers disconcertingly.
[11:54] <pvh> Only rebooting gets me back online.
[11:54] <Muhammad3> watchme:  you are kidding right ? ??? :D
[11:54] <er> 7.04 could not deal with my wireless (ipw2200) so i used pclinuxos instead (but i need python2.5 for work)
[11:55] <watchme> maybe ;)
[11:56] <watchme> at least this should be the option, that works perfectly
[11:56] <NullNone> I have  installed Ubuntu 7.10 and have a little problem:)
[11:56] <NullNone> when i am trying to do  sudo route add -host 195.22.112.12 gw 10.0.10.1 dev eth0
[11:56] <NullNone> it failes with message SIOCADDRT: No such process
[11:56] <NullNone> Can someone help me?
[11:56] <er> now 7.10 RC seams fine. The wireless works and i have blender and recordmydesktop. All i need to be a happy camper
[11:56] <er> :)
[11:56] <Muhammad3> watchme: can you tell me how to reinstall it again ?
[11:57] <watchme> just plug the CD into your drive, boot from it and klick on "Install" ??!??!??!?!?!?!?
[11:57] <er> muhamad, you'd have to boot off of the CD
[11:57] <Muhammad3> er: you mean install Ubuntu again :(
[11:58] <er> now i'm curious ... anyone running 7.10 RC (besides me)?
[11:58] <davidw> I'm installing it
[11:58] <er> Muhammad3: it only takes a few minutes
[11:58] <davidw> stefg, did you report the bugs?
[11:58] <JenFraggle> I'm running it but am thinking of going back to feisty.  no wireless is not a feature i like on a laptop
[11:58] <er> Jen, i hear you
[11:59] <Muhammad3> is there is any other solution ?
[11:59] <er> i had the same problem with 7.04
[11:59] <level1> hi, guidance-power-manager for kde may be causing some annoyances for me.  I can't prevent it starting on startup, how do I do that?
[11:59] <NullNone> If i installed Ubuntu 7.10 Beta and all updated to it is this the same as installing 7.10 RC?
[11:59] <stefg> davidw: sure.... but that doesn't mean that they are fixed in time... the 'no tty'-bug is a big thread in LP , and i find it a shame that such major and obvious (and actually easily fixable) bugs make int o something called a release
[11:59] <davidw> JenFraggle, no wireless??!
[11:59] <er> NullNone: it should be
[11:59] <Muhammad3> er: is there is any other solution ?
[12:00] <er> Muhammad3: I am not sure (i'm new to all of this myself)
[12:01] <Muhammad3> er: :) like me
[12:01] <er> yikes, it's 3 am ... time flies
[12:01] <Muhammad3> er: ok thx for help
[12:01] <JenFraggle> Tried 2 different wireless adaptors, 1 usb and 1 pcmcia but neither work
[12:01] <NullNone> Does somebody knows what mean SIOCADDRT: No such process error when running route utility?
[12:01] <JenFraggle> was using the usb fine on feisty
[12:01] <stefg> NullNone: your network interface isn't there
[12:01] <Muhammad3> er: I will check Ubuntu effects chat room
[12:02] <er> good idea :)
[12:02] <Muhammad3> C ya all
[12:02] <er> ciao M
[12:03] <NullNone> stefg: my ethernet card is /dev/eth0 and in Debian Ethch that command runs ok. (" sudo route add -host 195.22.112.12 gw 10.0.10.1 dev eth0")
[12:03] <er> nite all .... i'll be back one day :)
[12:04] <stefg> NullNone: chances are either your interface is eth1 now, or that network manager busts your conf
[12:04] <darkstar61> hi all... i had dwloaded the rc from two different mirrors (italian and french) and im getting a wrong md5sum... someone else is aware of this?
[12:04] <watchme> YEAH!
[12:04] <NullNone> stefg: NetworkManager is running. Is there some way to add route using it?
[12:05] <watchme> MY SAP SERVER IS RUNNING UNDER UBUNTU GUSTY!
[12:05] <stefg> NullNone: NetworkManager and avahi are the first things i purge on a fresh install, so i don't know
[12:06] <NullNone> stefg: Thanks
[12:14] <darrend> wq
[12:14] <NullNone> stefg: Mayby it is very funny, but there is a switch in NetworkManager applet (rouming, dhcp, manual). And when i switched to DHCP, route command executed ok ;-)
[12:14] <NullNone> Now my network works ok :)
[12:26] <emonkey-p> Is there anybody who already uses the kde 3.94 packages?
[12:29] <geser> emonkey-p: it still needs building
[12:30] <emonkey-p> ah ok...  then I'll have a bit more patient
[12:36] <vbgunz> I downloaded the gibbon alternate cd today, the latest snapshot. I know it's not final but wow, it is the most buggy ubuntu I've ever worked with yet :(
[12:37] <vbgunz> how in the world can the devs handle these bugs with only days left till final?
[12:37] <geser> vbgunz: what problems to you have?
[12:39] <vbgunz> gdm is at a very low res, the accounts are not. enabling effects once on any account, only make effects available to that account only. turning them off, will never get them back on without a reboot. the wireless network icon shows a connection but nothing is connected :(
[12:40] <vbgunz> also when you first log in, I can see memory cards and sticks, and usb drives on the desktop but when switching accounts, I only see a Windows partition... no usb sticks, cards or anything else
[12:41] <Seeker`> vbgunz: Do you mean if you enable the effects on one account, noone else can enable them?
[12:41] <vbgunz> true
[12:41] <vbgunz> and if you disable them, the only way to get it back is to reboot
[12:41] <vbgunz> I didn't try restarting x though that may work
[12:43] <vbgunz> I've done this plenty of times and really know how to set up my wireless card but the wireless network manager refuses to accept my password. when I thought I got it to work and the icon in the panel showed as if I had a connection, pidgin, firefox would not connect to the net. it is as if I have no connection
[12:44] <omha> hey
[12:44] <vbgunz> the reason why I am reallu curious if the devs can solve this is because these are almost the ***only*** applications I've tinkered with so far on gutsy...
[12:45] <omha> whats the default password to eBox?
[12:45] <Seeker`> vbgunz: how do you try to disable them?
[12:45] <vbgunz> in other words, 99% of the apps I touched so far are broken :/
[12:45] <Seeker`> omha: ebox
[12:45] <vbgunz> disable? compiz?
[12:45] <Seeker`> yeah
[12:46] <vbgunz> system > preferences > appearance > visual effects
[12:47] <omha> Seeker`, thanks
[12:47] <vbgunz> I got the net connection going
[12:47] <zengen> Does anyone know how to use a package from the repos to replace a damaged packaged on the alternate install iso from a terminal in the installer?
[12:47] <zengen> Or, if it's even possible?
[12:48] <Seeker`> zengen: "damaged" package?
[12:48] <zengen> A package that fails it's hash check.
[12:49] <Seeker`> does the CD pass the check you can do when you first boot?
[12:49] <vbgunz> is there a way to get the icons on the desktop for memory cards and usb devices to who up on another account. as far as I am concerned both accounts have the exact same privileges. the only thing is, the second account to log in does not have access to them
[12:49] <zengen> No, 2 packages fail.
[12:50] <Seeker`> that tends to imply that the CD is faulty
[12:51] <zengen> I thought that, too, but then I remembered I used the same cd to instal on this computer yesterday.  Just wondered if I could try replacing the 2 packages during the install.
[12:51] <Seeker`> i'm not sure. Did the CD get scratched or anything?
[12:52] <zengen> Not that I can see.  And the same 2 packages failed before I installed on this one yesterday.  It installed without any problems, though.
[12:53] <Seeker`> i'd check the md5 of the iso you used, and reburn it, see if that fixes it
[12:54] <zengen> That's odd, too.  The iso file itself passes, but if I extract the files to the hard drive those packages fail.  I'm about halfway through downloading another copy.
[12:54] <Seeker`> :s
[12:57] <vbgunz> I've been meaning to ask this... is it possible to let an unprivileged account install anything they wish without actually infecting the main system? is this possible in any way?
[12:58] <FallenHitokiri> i've copied a handler for deskbar to /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/modules-2.20-compatible but it is not recognized (and no .pyc was created). after that I moved it to .gnome2/deskbar-applet/modules2-20-compatible and .pyc was created but i cannot select it in the preferences of deskbar-applet. someone a idea how I can use it?
[12:58] <savvas> vbgunz: well.. you could allow them to use sudo in /etc/sudoers and restrict them to use some applications
[12:58] <FallenHitokiri> vbgunz: yeah if they install it to their local directory, why not?
[12:59] <vbgunz> but they need sudo to install anything from the repos.
[12:59] <vbgunz> I don't wish to grant them sudo but at the same time do not wish to be pestered a dozen times to install something
[12:59] <savvas> lol
[12:59] <FallenHitokiri> vbgunz: oh you want the repos,...
[01:00] <savvas> vbgunz: as I said, you can RESTRICT them to some applications
[01:00] <FallenHitokiri> vbgunz: give every user their own vserver? (they doesn't take much performance)
[01:00] <vbgunz> I am at a lost as to what to google for in this regards, can ya help out with a link to more info ?
[01:01] <Seeker`> vbgunz: I have no idea if this is right, but would chroot be the sort of thing you need?
[01:01] <vbgunz> not sure
[01:01] <savvas> chroot can restrict them to specific folders
[01:01] <hmusche> vbgunz: do the users have graphical login? or is it just remote login?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> vbgunz: chroot, and then bindmount their home dir.  *shrug*
[01:02] <Hobbsee> bit nasty for X stuff, though
[01:02] <Hobbsee> savvas: have you considered making them use virtualbox or something?
[01:02] <vbgunz> I just have an account to a kid. this kid likes to experiment and I doubt anything in the repos is really harmful. rather than limit the kids experience I'd like to allow him to install anything he wants... just not on the main system
[01:02] <vbgunz> local login, graphical
[01:02] <Hobbsee> oh, you can screw up with the stuff in the reops
[01:02] <Hobbsee> if you decide to purge bits, etc
[01:02] <savvas> Hobbsee: it's not me who wants to use it :P
[01:03] <Hobbsee> well, yeah :P
[01:03] <Seeker`> vbgunz: Use qemu, and tell him he can do anything he likes in there
[01:03] <vbgunz> yeah but without sudo powers, what much can they do but be pestered with password boxes or worse, nothing? at least that is what I am thinking
[01:03] <vbgunz> Seeker, so true
[01:04] <savvas> vbgunz: then they have to compile it themselves, or use a virtual machine as everyone says. Virtualbox takes 20 seconds to install, and it's almost automatic
[01:04] <vbgunz> is vbox in the repos now?
[01:04] <savvas> dunno, www.virtualbox.org
[01:04] <savvas> you have a deb package for ubuntu there
[01:05] <Hobbsee> configure it so that he has auto-sudo rights.  *shrug*
[01:05] <vbgunz> I have vbox on kubuntu, this install is for my wife and I plan on helping a friend out soon who has kids... just he never been on linux and the password box though I love it, I don't think I'll be able to convince him, that when 1 of his 5 kids will need him to install stuff :/
[01:06] <savvas> parental ubuntu.. pubuntu :)
[01:07] <savvas> nice name :P
[01:08] <level1_> I've been having some real annoying problem with alsa in every version of linux I've ever used.  Basically, I alsa does some weird stuff with LFE that makes it difficult to use mute
[01:08] <vbgunz> heh
[01:09] <vbgunz> anybuntu needs some extremely strong parental/user control wizards, guis, fine tuned controls
[01:11] <vbgunz> how do I get the gdm login screen to show up at 1280x1024?
[01:11] <soul9> Hi everyone
[01:11] <soul9> anyone got their desktop to disappear following latest updates?
[01:12] <soul9> I've got a black background instead of mu usual desktop
[01:12] <savvas> soul9: alt-f2 and type: killall nautilus
[01:13] <soul9> doesn't seem to help any
[01:13] <soul9> oh, nautilus wasn't actually running I think
[01:13] <soul9> I just started it and my desktop appeared
[01:13] <savvas> soul9: then alt-f2 and try type "nautilus"
[01:14] <soul9> yep
[01:14] <soul9> that worked
[01:14] <savvas> nautilus is the app for the desktop, hopefully that should fix it
[01:14] <savvas> the gnome panels are ok?
[01:14] <soul9> so should I add that to my session or should this be fixed by an update?
[01:14] <soul9> no, not all of them
[01:14] <soul9> oh, yes
[01:15] <savvas> soul9: try reboot
[01:15] <soul9> yes, the panel applets seem to work fine
[01:18] <tech0007> hi everyone
[01:18] <flavia> hi, is amule crashing when downloading the server list a known problem?
[01:23] <vbgunz> anybody know how to fix the gdm resolution?
[01:23] <vbgunz> it is currently lower than I think it should be
[01:23] <Seeker`> vbgunz: I think it needs to be set in oyur xorg.conf
[01:23] <vbgunz> I think so too, something about virtual maybe, am googling to no avail
[01:24] <Seeker`> by gdm, do you mean the login screen?
[01:24] <vbgunz> got it I think
[01:24] <savvas> vbgunz: try limit the modes to only 1280x1024
[01:24] <vbgunz> yeah
[01:24] <Seeker`> vbgunz: What does your "Screen" section say?
[01:25] <vbgunz> not sure
[01:25] <vbgunz> I'll check
[01:27] <vbgunz> just had modes, 1280, 1024, 800, etc
[01:27] <Psi-Jack> Anyone here know how it's possible, for my USB headset, to have IT's volume buttons control the headset volume instead of the default sound master volume?
[01:28] <Seeker`> vbgunz: Can you pastebin what it says?
[01:31] <vbgunz> Seeker`: yeah, one sec, this is on another machine
[01:31] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[01:32] <JohnFlux> Is there a way for a package to modify the bashrc scripts?
[01:32] <jussi01> JohnFlux: IIRC they are in ~/.bashrc
[01:33] <JohnFlux> In particular:  I wrote a bash function to do autocomplete for qdbus
[01:33] <jussi01> but I m not certain of that
[01:33] <JohnFlux> So it would be nice to 'install' this function when you install qdbus
[01:33] <JohnFlux> but I'm not sure if there's a nice place for a package to just drop in a file
[01:34] <HetaUma> is there any known issue with vncviewer? I run it and can't type in the host address
[01:35] <fyrestrtr> HetaUma: are you running it with screen effects?
[01:35] <fyrestrtr> JohnFlux: probably editing /etc/bash.bashrc would do the trick.
[01:36] <HetaUma> fyrestrtr, yeap
[01:36] <JohnFlux> fyrestrtr: hum, seems dodgy for an installer to do that though
[01:36] <fyrestrtr> HetaUma: try disabling effects.
[01:36] <fyrestrtr> JohnFlux: I agree.
[01:36] <vbgunz> http://www.pastey.net/75290
[01:37] <fyrestrtr> JohnFlux: you could add your aliases/autocomplete stuff to a file, place it in /etc/yourpackagename/foo and print instructions for users to source the file if they want autocompletion.
[01:37] <Seeker`> vbgunz: Create a backup, and remove all resolutinos apart from what you want?
[01:37] <HetaUma> fyrestrtr, yeap it worked. ty. I imagine tho they are planning to fix it right ?
[01:37] <vbgunz> i can try
[01:38] <fyrestrtr> wow this is some sour coffee
[01:38] <savvas> JohnFlux: what fyrestrtr said, you also have /etc/bash_completion and /etc/bash_completion.d/ :)
[01:38] <JohnFlux> just looking at that now
[01:38] <bintut> hhmmm.. xen is not yet updated to 3.1.1?  :(
[01:39] <JohnFlux> hmm it does seem possible to just drop the file in /etc/bash_completion.d/
[01:39] <fyrestrtr> HetaUma: I'm not sure; as I have faced this issue with other programs as well.
[01:40] <fyrestrtr> HetaUma: I just disable effects when I'm in 'work mode'.
[01:40] <HetaUma> fyrestrtr, I guess it's due to java
[01:40] <fyrestrtr> HetaUma: in other words, this is not an issue that is local to vncviewer
[01:40] <fyrestrtr> yes, it is. There is a work around for it though.
[01:40] <vbgunz> nope, removing all resolutions other than 1280x1024 did not solve the gdm lower resolution issue :(
[01:40] <JohnFlux> savvas: although it's all disabled by default :(
[01:40] <JohnFlux> savvas: I wonder why that is
[01:42] <vbgunz> its cool, I will have to look into this later, hopefully I'll get it fixed soon enough :)
[01:42] <Arafangion> Hey, any Upstart gurus here/
[01:42] <penguincentral> no
[01:42] <Arafangion> I just want to see why Upstart (specifically logd) doesn't work.
[01:43] <Arafangion> penguincentral: Damn enter key decided to depress too early. :(
[01:43] <fyrestrtr> HetaUma: if you really want it to work with desktop effects, there are work arounds.
[01:43] <Arafangion> I've tried to strace it, and ti appears that the connect to the anonymous namespace /com/ubuntu/logd (Pretty sure that's what it was), resulted in an EADDRINUSE.
[01:44] <Arafangion> And since I called logd manually from the console, after starting the kernel with init=/bin/bash, I'm wondering how the heck that can happen?
[01:45] <penguincentral> :)
[01:45] <penguincentral> it's chocolate ;)
[01:46] <Arafangion> penguincentral: Ahh, so it's brown and therefore can't tell if it's actually dirty?
[01:46] <penguincentral> Arafangion: yep
[01:47] <Arafangion> penguincentral: And I'll bet it's poisoned.
[01:47] <Arafangion> penguincentral: I'm allergic to milk, you know!
[01:48] <penguincentral> Arafangion: sorry
[01:48] <Arafangion> penguincentral: Just so you know, I'll be paying particular attention to you if you ever come near food again!
[01:48] <penguincentral> lol
[01:48] <Arafangion> Anyone ELSE familiar with Upstart?
[01:48] <penguincentral> google is your friend...
[01:48] <Arafangion> (You know, that program that allows Ubuntu to boot?)
[01:48] <Arafangion> penguincentral: Try it, see what docs you can find. ;)
[01:49] <penguincentral> now i know what Upstart is
[01:49] <penguincentral> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[01:50] <Hobbsee> source code probably says a fair bit.  *shrug*
[01:51] <Hobbsee> keybuk may be around to debug that with you sometime during the week.  or the week after, more likely.
[01:51] <mc44> Hobbsee: no one documents source code ;P
[01:51] <webulator70> i think me and a few others found a fix for a bug in nautilus on gutsy and id like to see if someone here can try it out too, any takers?
[01:52] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: what is the bug?
[01:52] <Arafangion> Hobbsee: Yes, the source code has a fancy comment that basically says "We use the anonymous namespace here".
[01:52] <Pete__> Does anyone else find Konqueror in gusty slow to resolve sites? (Firefox works fine, entering ip addresses in Konqueror works fine)
[01:52] <Hobbsee> oh yay
[01:53] <Arafangion> penguincentral: Click on the documentation link, and let me know what you find.
[01:53] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: one that feisty sort of had too but its worse here, mouse over sound previewing
[01:54] <penguincentral> Arafangion: what documentation link?
[01:54] <webulator70> i have it going now and i know how i got it going but i cant backtrack to reproduce the problem and formatting is to tedious if it can be avoided
[01:54] <fyrestrtr> Pete__: are your dns servers okay?
[01:54] <Arafangion> penguincentral: Exactly. ;)
[01:54] <penguincentral> Arafangion: i see
[01:54] <fyrestrtr> Pete__: ff might be looking up cached results.
[01:54] <Pete__> fyrestrtr: Yes, feisty still works fine, dig works fine
[01:54] <Arafangion> penguincentral: Actually, it's possible to find documentation on Upstart, but unfortunately it's almost completely just titles and section headers - with no content!
[01:54] <penguincentral> heh
[01:56] <webulator70> any takers with testing this fix out?
[01:56] <Arafangion> webulator70: Can you reproduce the issues with a particular live cd?
[01:56] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: how to reproduce the bug?
[01:56] <webulator70> Arafangion:  havent tried yet as id really rather not restart for the time being
[01:57] <webulator70> ive got some things going on
[01:57] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: if your on gutsy and you mouse over an audio file does it show a bubble?
[01:58] <webulator70> (this is about more then just the bubble so bear with me please)
[01:58] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: no
[01:58] <xjkx> ubuntu's old versions (until 7.04) do not work for me, they claim i have I/O errors and don't boot the livecd, i suppose that it does not have the proper module to " IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  5513 [IDE] ". On other systems i had this I/O errors too, i solved it after i recompiled the kernel, thats why i am sure about the reason, question is, how does gutsy support me?
[01:59] <Pete__> Ugh, what is going on with konqueror, this is annoying
[01:59] <webulator70>  fyrestrtr: good, then im sure its a univeral gutsy bug, everyones in that boat... ok now to solve it
[01:59] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: to be honest, I never had a bubble in fiesty.
[01:59] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: can you please try to install these to packages:
[02:00] <xjkx> the other systems i meant other distributions, and even though they gave that I/O errors, at least i could install the system, so i could compile the kernel. But ubuntu does not let me install it, it sumply does not boot
[02:00] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: thats fine its messed in feisty too
[02:00] <fyrestrtr> okay
[02:00] <fyrestrtr> xjkx: have you tried the alternate cd?
[02:00] <Pete__> Doesn't seem to be my nameserver
[02:00] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: pulseaudio-esound-compat and the pulseaudio it needs
[02:00] <webulator70> can you please install these?
[02:01] <fyrestrtr> okay
[02:01] <xjkx> fyrestrtr, no
[02:01] <fyrestrtr> xjkx: try that.
[02:01] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: thanks now after they are done, can you close any nautilus windows , open one wiht a sound file and mouse over it?
[02:02] <xjkx> fyrestrtr, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download where
[02:02] <xjkx> also, where isgutsy?
[02:02] <fyrestrtr> !alternate | xjkx
[02:02] <ubotu> xjkx: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal
[02:03] <xjkx> fyrestrtr, i know what it is, not where it is
[02:03] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: I get the bubble now.
[02:03] <fyrestrtr> xjkx: at the download page, there is an option to download the alternate cd.
[02:04] <webulator70> fyrestrtr:  still no sound correct?
[02:04] <fyrestrtr> xjkx: its a check box.
[02:04] <RivaeAerya> is it safe to update to kubuntu gutsy now?
[02:04] <xjkx> uhmm
[02:04] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: no sound; but I have a bubble.
[02:05] <RivaeAerya> is it safe to update to kubuntu gutsy now?
[02:05] <daekdroom> RivaeAerya: Gutsy is stable enough.
[02:05] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: ok now can you go into edit/preferences in nautilus, then go to the preview tab and set sound files to always?
[02:05] <daekdroom> I don't know about KDE but Ubuntu itself is stable.
[02:06] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: okay, done.
[02:06] <RivaeAerya> daekdroom: hmm and what bugs are there?
[02:06] <webulator70> oh btw does esound-common comes with feisty?
[02:06] <webulator70> its crucial that i know if it does or not
[02:06] <fyrestrtr> by comes do you mean installed by default?
[02:06] <webulator70> yes
[02:07] <Pete__> Right, I'm going to reinstall again, see if it makes any difference.
[02:07] <fyrestrtr> still no sound.
[02:07] <webulator70> sorry, gutsy i mean
[02:07] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: ok, thats fine, now can you install mpg321 from apt?
[02:07] <daekdroom> RivaeAerya: I have no idea. Almost any package has bugs, no? (even in stable versions..)
[02:07] <RivaeAerya> daekdroom: hmm and what bugs are there?
[02:07] <RivaeAerya> oops
[02:07] <murlidhar> my start up takes a good 5minutes with nothing on the screen till the login windows .
[02:07] <RivaeAerya> daekdroom: ok
[02:07] <xjkx> fyrestrtr, is there a documment help for alternate cd install ?
[02:08] <fyrestrtr> xjkx: yes, its in the wiki.
[02:08] <fyrestrtr> murlidhar: did you upgrade or do a clean install?
[02:08] <xjkx> !wiki alternate install
[02:08] <murlidhar> fyrestrtr: upgrade
[02:08] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: okay done.
[02:08] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: and now it works :)
[02:08] <jenofonte> (topic
[02:09] <webulator70> fyrestrtr:  install sox for .wav and vorbis-tools for .ogg files to preview too :)
[02:09] <webulator70> fyrestrtr:  only one problem now? wich files made it work? its hard to tell since there are so many extra libs and whatnot that installed
[02:09] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: you should add this to the wiki, I normally disable previews in nautilus.
[02:09] <RivaeAerya> What advantages does Gutsy have over Feisty?
[02:10] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: after install mpg321 it works.
[02:10] <fyrestrtr> RivaeAerya: updated core programs, integrated desktop effects, better printing.
[02:10] <RivaeAerya> fyrestrtr: and Kubuntu Gutsy?
[02:10] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: thats good but where there any dependancies with those things i asked you to install?
[02:10] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: yes, tons.
[02:11] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: I can pastebin it if you want.
[02:11] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: and the trick now is to find out which ones are the ones that matter
[02:11] <fyrestrtr> as i have it in the buffer.
[02:11] <murlidhar> my start up takes a good 5minutes with nothing on the screen till the login windows .
[02:11] <fyrestrtr> RivaeAerya: I am not sure, as I don't use kubuntu.
[02:11] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: sure if you want, the prob is, if we uninstall those things now it will still show a bubble making it hard to reproduce
[02:11] <fyrestrtr> murlidhar: did you do an upgrade or a clean install.
[02:11] <RivaeAerya> fyrestrtr: where can i find out?
[02:11] <murlidhar> fyrestrtr: upgrade
[02:11] <fyrestrtr> murlidhar: what video card do you have?
[02:12] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: well, I can tell you easily.
[02:12] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: after the first install, I got the bubble. After the second install, I got sound.
[02:12] <murlidhar> fyrestrtr: the in built of intel 845
[02:12] <daekdroom> RivaeAerya: Better printing support, less bugs (atleast in official release) and such stuff.
[02:12] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: but what files in that whole list of dependencies where responsible for making it go?
[02:13] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: and I bet this bad coffee that it is "libgstreamer-plugins-pulse0.10-0" that is required.
[02:13] <RivaeAerya> daekdroom: and in Kubuntu?
[02:13] <daekdroom> RivaeAerya: But that's about kubuntu
[02:13] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: ah, thats a start
[02:13] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: required for the bubble to show?
[02:13] <daekdroom> RivaeAerya: Everything that wasn't limited by the change of GNOME to KDE is still applied to Kubuntu =P
[02:13] <fyrestrtr> as iirc nautilus uses gstreamer; because video files that have no gstreamer codec install will not show previews.
[02:13] <RivaeAerya> daekdroom: hmm.. better printing support, okay, that's just what i need.. and what else? better videocard support? better hardware support?
[02:14] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: yes.
[02:14] <RivaeAerya> better browser? better firefox?
[02:14] <daekdroom> RivaeAerya: New Kernel = better hardware support.
[02:14] <RivaeAerya> better konqueror?
[02:14] <fyrestrtr> RivaeAerya: why don't you go and read the website.
[02:14] <fyrestrtr> RivaeAerya: all this is mentioned there.
[02:14] <RivaeAerya> fyrestrtr: link me, please :)
[02:14] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: the odd thing is now that ive uninstalled tha i still see the bubble
[02:14] <murlidhar> fyrestrtr: last time in feisty somebody told me to modify in the grub menu to by pressing e and removing some word which i don't remember right now
[02:14] <fyrestrtr> !gutsy
[02:14] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[02:14] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: ive uninstalled everything i had before and i see the bubble still
[02:14] <fyrestrtr> RivaeAerya: there you are
[02:15] <murlidhar> fyrestrtr: this time i have gutsy
[02:15] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: but on a fresh install, there is no bubble for everyone i talk to
[02:15] <RivaeAerya> fyrestrtr: and where can i find the info?
[02:15] <RivaeAerya> there's only a download link and the release schedule
[02:15] <RivaeAerya> and goals
[02:15] <fyrestrtr> RivaeAerya: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon
[02:15] <dennda> Hi there. Any idea why suspend2ram still doesn't always work? (screen is not turned on again) - Any ideas how to fix it?
[02:15] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: uninstall these> libsamplerate0 pulseaudio pulseaudio-esound-compat
[02:15] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: with --purge
[02:16] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: i already did before talking to you
[02:16] <fyrestrtr> hrmm.
[02:16] <daekdroom> Hm. Rythmbox is bugged here, is there another audio player that i can use?
[02:16] <RivaeAerya> fyrestrtr: there's no info t here
[02:16] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: that definatly fixes it but why would it not unfix on uninstall
[02:17] <daekdroom> RivaeAerya: That's valid to Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu (except GNOME related stuff)
[02:17] <RivaeAerya> daekdroom: what'svalid to that?
[02:17] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: if I had to guess; I think that installing it probably creates a symlink somewhere to the necessary libs for nautilus, and uninstalling doesn't delete the symlink.
[02:17] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: its almost as if it overwrites a problem file or gconf key and leaves it in a working state after uninstall
[02:17] <Arafangion> Bleh, why don't people in here understand Ubuntu's *own* init program?
[02:17] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: but just stabbing in the dark.
[02:17] <daekdroom> RivaeAerya: What is said in that webpage is valid to Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu Gusty.
[02:18] <RivaeAerya> daekdroom: there's only this:
[02:18] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: an easy way to figure it out is to do a search for all changed files before and after install.
[02:18] <mc44> RivaeAerya: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc
[02:18] <xjkx> is it safe to use the release candidate?
[02:18] <RivaeAerya> The name "Gutsy Gibbon" was announced [WWW]  in the mailing lists by MarkShuttleworth.
[02:18] <RivaeAerya>  Gutsy goals are recorded in [WWW]  Launchpad.
[02:18] <RivaeAerya>  download link : [WWW]  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/
[02:18] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: your stabbing in the same direction i am, and this makes me want to somehow get a hold of a dev that codes nautilus on ubuntu
[02:18] <RivaeAerya> mc44: thanks :)
[02:18] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: then compare it to the files that are changed after uninstalling. The culprit file will not have its modtime changed.
[02:18] <daekdroom> xjkx: It's not too buggy.
[02:18] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: how do i do this?
[02:18] <daekdroom> xjkx: But you might not want to install it in a workstation computer
[02:19] <xjkx> all i fear is to lose data, if its not going to happen i should be ok
[02:19] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: I seem to recall a utility that scans for filesystem changes.
[02:19] <xjkx> is it safe in terms of what i said?
[02:19] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: but a hack would be to diff the output of find before and after the changes (using a modtime filter on find)
[02:19] <daekdroom> xjkx: If you do know how to install it without losing data i think there's no problem.
[02:19] <xjkx> :)
[02:20] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: hmmm
[02:20] <xjkx> is this the first rc?
[02:20] <daekdroom> yes.
[02:20] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: is there any dev i could  contact about this seeing is how this is boredering on what i can and cant do?
[02:20] <webulator70> *as how
[02:21] <penguincentral> if I have done _all_ updates, then I should have rc running
[02:21] <penguincentral> right?
[02:21] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: I would ask in the gnome channel first, they may be able to tell you the file that is responsible for the bubble.
[02:21] <xjkx> daekdroom, is it comming out this month or there are comming more rcs?
[02:21] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: i understand what your telling me to do full well but i dont know how to do it
[02:21] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: ok, sounds good, and thats just #gnome on this server?
[02:21] <daekdroom> xjkx: as i know the official release is 4 days ahead
[02:22] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: oh, and the utility is fschange ( http://stefan.buettcher.org/cs/fschange/index.html )
[02:22] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: I believe so.
[02:22] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: fschange, thanks, ill try to do what i can
[02:22] <xjkx> daekdroom, 4 days to come out ? is it what you mean with "ahead?" ah ! then i won't install the RC today, that makes no sense
[02:23] <fyrestrtr> xjkx: I would suggest you do it today; as on the day of release the servers will be overloaded. So, if you install RC now, you will just download any updates on release day, which will reduce the amount of stuff you need to download to bring you up to date.
[02:23] <daekdroom> xjkx: yes that's what i meant
[02:23] <squidy> hi.. is anyone here using dolphin in kubuntu? i've copied my personalized menus from konqueror to dolphin servicemenus folder, but nothing appears..
[02:24] <IdleOne> xjkx: best to install today and then just do the few updates on the day of release. like fyrestrtr said servers will get hammered on the 18
[02:24] <xjkx> what would i need on rc to get it to be release? apt-get dist-upgrade only?
[02:24] <daekdroom> I have to download updates almost 2 times per day here. T_T
[02:24] <IdleOne> xjkx: yes
[02:25] <xjkx> :D ok :)
[02:25] <webulator70> hmm maybe i can save some times and ask another person to try it with fyrestrtr:
[02:25] <webulator70> erm.. with fschage i mean
[02:25] <murlidhar> my booting takes place a good 5 minutes even my windows takes 1.50 min to boot . what is the problem
[02:25] <penguincentral> IdleOne, xjkx, and anyone else who cares to read: When my friend was downloading the updates for edgy to feisty on the first day, i chatted to him for a bit.  he was saying that the servers were _really_ slow
[02:25] <webulator70> does anyone here have a moment to help squash a gutsy bug?
[02:26] <daekdroom> penguincentral: but it's way better to download some packages in a slow speed than a big ISO @ slow speed =P
[02:26] <webulator70> i need someone to reproduce it while they are  scanning the fs for changes
[02:26] <penguincentral> yep
[02:26] <webulator70> i cant do it on mine unless i reformat
[02:27] <IdleOne> penguincentral: on the day of release for feisty I had aleady been running 7.04 for a month and was not getting any headaches about " Why cant I download 7.04 "
[02:28] <murlidhar> my booting takes place a good 5 minutes even my windows takes 1.50 min to boot . what is the problem?
[02:28] <penguincentral> IdleOne: the day of the feisty release i was on dial-up and effectively was _unable_ to connect to the modem because i have a winmodem.  now that i have broadband, it's all better now and i am immersed in the goodness of linux
[02:28] <IdleOne> penguincentral: :)
[02:29] <xjkx> penguincentral, oh, so apt will be slow too :>
[02:29] <murlidhar> can anybody solve my problem?
[02:29] <XsteelWolf> btw is ubuntu 7.10 official?
[02:30] <XsteelWolf> or do i have to wait 4 days later
[02:30] <Pete__> Not yet, still RC
[02:30] <XsteelWolf> only after 4 days later?
[02:30] <larson9999> we just bought a game cube(we're on the trailing edge) with metroid prime.  my 6 year just stared at the intro with bug eyes for about 5 minutes.  then he said, "get going, you can do it."
[02:31] <RivaeAerya> How do i update to Kubuntu Gutsy? (in KDE)
[02:31] <mc44> XsteelWolf: when it's released
[02:31] <XsteelWolf> after it's released,then it will be consider official?
[02:31] <XsteelWolf> but it;s only 4 days to release, i don't think any bugs would be finalised during this 4 days yea?
[02:32] <mc44> there may still be updates
[02:32] <fyrestrtr> RivaeAerya: sudo update-manager -d
[02:32] <RivaeAerya> fyrestrtr: in kubuntu?
[02:32] <XsteelWolf> 4965 agn intel wireless card
[02:32] <RivaeAerya> adept right?
[02:32] <fyrestrtr> yes
[02:32] <XsteelWolf> is it working on ubuntu 7.10 release?
[02:32] <XsteelWolf> i download rc 1 month ago
[02:32] <XsteelWolf> kde manager doesn't work for me
[02:32] <RivaeAerya> or is adept too unstable?
[02:32] <IdleOne> penguincentral: shipit has just accepted my request for cd's :))
[02:32] <larson9999> huh, the graphics card on this dell inspiron still isn't working :(
[02:32] <penguincentral> cool
[02:33] <RivaeAerya> (adept crashes here often)
[02:33] <murlidhar> my booting takes place a good 5 minutes even my windows takes 1.50 min to boot . what is the problem?
[02:33] <dennda> Hi there. Any idea why suspend2ram still doesn't always work? (screen is not turned on again) - Any ideas how to fix it?
[02:33] <IdleOne> penguincentral: go make request now
[02:33] <RivaeAerya> fyrestrtr: ping
[02:34] <EnderW> got a problems with ubuntu 7.10RC messing up boot entries/MBR when installing...how do I file a bug on launchpad? or help otherwise? seems to be dozens of projects called ubuntu on launchpad
[02:35] <daekdroom> damn gutsy, my printer isn't working
[02:35] <penguincentral> IdleOne: they haven't accepted my request yet :(
[02:35] <EnderW> one thing is that it wouldn't boot, but it wrecked vistas bootmanager aswell
[02:35] <mc44> EnderW: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/+login
[02:35] <EnderW> thanks
[02:36] <IdleOne> penguincentral: :( where do you live?
[02:36] <EnderW> (or gave it a wrong entry)
[02:36] <penguincentral> IdleOne: in the "land down under"
[02:36] <fyrestrtr> RivaeAerya: I'm sorry, I do not use KDE.
[02:36] <fyrestrtr> RivaeAerya: perhaps someone else that uses it will be able to help you.
[02:37] <IdleOne> penguincentral: dont know what to tell you
[02:37] <RivaeAerya> Who here uses KDE?
[02:37] <fyrestrtr> RivaeAerya: try #kubuntu
[02:37] <penguincentral> IdleOne: Australia is a great place... full of water restrictions
[02:37] <XsteelWolf> Rivae, I do
[02:37] <RivaeAerya> fyrestrtr: ok :)
[02:37] <dmace> i've attached an external lcd monitor to my laptop to test dual head in 7.10RC. my laptops' native res is 1680x1050, and the external LCD is 1280x1024. the only mod i've made to my xorg.conf file is to add a Virtual section to set the desktop size to 3360x1050. when i connected the monitor and booted up, my laptop's resolution seems correct, but gnome/metacity is constrained to a small portion of the screen (like, the panel extends on
[02:37] <dmace> ly to about 3/4 across the screen, and maximizing stuff fills up only that area). displayconfig-gtk and the screen resolution applet are saying my max res are something strange like 1280x950 (cant remember or sure and can't get to the applet now). the external LCD is not getting a signal. i tried xrandr to just turn off the external lcd, and now the panel etc aren't even visible on the laptop LCD, and I can't seem to get things back t
[02:37] <dmace> o normal. wth?
[02:37] <RivaeAerya> XsteelWolf: oh :D
[02:37] <filthpig> shouldn't really the kubuntu team have a #kubuntu+1 channel?
[02:37] <dmace> xrandr output: http://pastebin.com/m3b18668
[02:37] <RivaeAerya> XsteelWolf: how's Gutsy with KDE? oh, and, how do you upgrade to Kubuntu Gutsy?
[02:37] <XsteelWolf> It's great
[02:38] <penguincentral> !pastebin | dmace
[02:38] <ubotu> dmace: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:38] <XsteelWolf> but im having problems with my intel 4965agn wireless card
[02:38] <XsteelWolf> seems like its kde network manager problem
[02:38] <fyrestrtr> dmace: what video card?
[02:38] <dmace> fyrestrtr: intel 945 GM using the intel driver
[02:38] <XsteelWolf> when it's official release
[02:38] <fyrestrtr> XsteelWolf: does it work when you disable the network manager?
[02:38] <dmace> fyrestrtr: i got dual head working w/ xrandr at work using an external LCD on this thing whose native resolution matches
[02:38] <XsteelWolf> you can do a apt-get install upgrade
[02:39] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: you see my pm?
[02:39] <XsteelWolf> nah it doesn't, i didn't try ndiwswrapper though
[02:39] <IdleOne> penguincentral: you guys in a drought right now? we dont have water restrictions but perhaps we should. people water the lawn here still and it is october 14th
[02:39] <dmace> fyrestrtr: with 7.04 and upgraded X though. this is the first time i've tried it with 7.10 and an LCD whose rez is different than the laptop's
[02:40] <fyrestrtr> dmace: I have always had issues with running dual head with different resolutions (using nvidia, ati and intel chipsets) in the end I just used the common denominator resolution. fwiw, in Vista, it automatically adjusts my laptop's resolution to match that of the external screen when doing dual head.
[02:40] <XsteelWolf> kde sure do look nicer than gnome
[02:40] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: are you identified?
[02:40] <ipx> Soon this channel will be all dead - again. : ) *mohahaha*
[02:40] <dmace> fyrestrtr: XP never has any trouble :-/
[02:40] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: identified?
[02:40] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: with nickserv
[02:40] <dmace> fyrestrtr: any idea how i can at least get this stuff back to normal without rebooting?
[02:41] <fyrestrtr> dmace: logout, restart X, login again.
[02:41] <IdleOne> ipx: for a day then ubuntu 8.04 starts :)
[02:41] <webulator70>  fyrestrtr: no
[02:41] <ipx> IdleOne: ;)
[02:41] <dmace> fyrestrtr: or without doing that? :) i'd like to know what the problem is rather than relying on a magical fix
[02:42] <fyrestrtr> dmace: I'm not sure what is the cause of the issue; I'm sure its drivers. To adjust your resolution while in X, you can use ctrl+alt+numpad+ and numpad-
[02:42] <dmace> fyrestrtr: that's the weird thing, the resolution is correct
[02:42] <dmace> fyrestrtr: it's like the WM or whatever manages this thinks the other screen is still available
[02:42] <wabz> hi, when I enable desktop effects, I don't have any window decorations, what's up with that?
[02:42] <dmace> fyrestrtr: and is putting my panels over there
[02:42] <fyrestrtr> dmace: hrmm.
[02:43] <IdleOne> wabz: #ubuntu-effects for effects help
[02:43] <fyrestrtr> dmace: not sure what is going on there.
[02:43] <wabz> good god
[02:43] <dmace> fyrestrtr: another interesting note is that the wallpaper is stretched as if the resolution were doubled along the x axis
[02:44] <martyna> Hi, I found ugly regression in HAL package. I have laptop - Benq A53 - and when I (dis)connect AC adapter it is recognized by monitor software, but keyboard and touhpad works VERY laggy. Installig hal package from feisty resoves the problem
[02:44] <dmace> fyrestrtr: this particular part of the behavior happened after i tried an xrandr command to put the ext. lcd right of the internal one
[02:44] <dmace> fyrestrtr: so i figured an xrandr --output LVDS --auto would bring it back to normal
[02:44] <dmace> but no luck
[02:44] <fyrestrtr> martyna: please file a bug
[02:47] <dmace> fyrestrtr: ah ha! xrandr --output VGA --off
[02:47] <martyna> fyrestrtr: of course i will. Maybe some useful information (script name etc) can I provide?
[02:49] <fyrestrtr> martyna: just provide the description as you have pasted it here, the devs will assign it to the appropriate component.
[02:50] <dmace> fyrestrtr: this page describes how someone managed to use mismatched resolutions: http://www.jimmy.co.at/weblog/?p=73
[02:50] <dmace> i am gonna go experiment with it. brb
[02:50] <martyna> fyrestrtr: heh, thanks. I filled few bugs, but it always took long time. I have only one week to fix it :(
[02:55] <murlidhar> my booting takes place a good 5 minutes even my windows takes 1.50 min to boot . what is the problem?
[02:57] <fyrestrtr> murlidhar: disable silent boot and see what is taking so long.
[02:57] <dbglt> since upgrading to gusty, there seems to be something wrong with my network: knetworkmanager is not showing any available wireless networks (although I know at least two are in range)
[02:57] <dbglt> does anyone know what I can do to fix this?
[02:57] <murlidhar> fyrestrtr: how to do that?
[02:57] <Pete__> Konqueror seems to take 5 seconds or so to start loading a site if a dns name is used, ip addresses works fine, firefox also works. Is anyone else experiencing this?
[02:57] <fyrestrtr> edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and disable the silent option.
[02:59] <dbkim> hi
[03:00] <dbkim> is there anyone tried 7.10?
[03:00] <_bt> hi, adobe flash is not available on 64 bit systems so why does firefox provide it as an option (and install it) when i browse to a flash based site?
[03:00] <dbkim> I know it's going to be release 4 days later but I can't wait until that time!! =P
[03:00] <murlidhar> fyrestrtr: u mean the quiet word in menu.lst
[03:00] <murlidhar> ?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> _bt: gnash?
[03:00] <dbkim> anyone?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> !patience | dbkim
[03:00] <ubotu> dbkim: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[03:01] <Hobbsee> dbkim: most people here are using it.
[03:01] <_bt> Hobbsee: i know i can use gnash, but adobe flash should NOT be provided as an option on 64 bit systems as this only serves to confuse people
[03:01] <dbkim> oh really
[03:01] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: its definatly pulseaudio that makes the needed change
[03:01] <dbkim> Hobbsee, I'm worrying about serious problems
[03:01] <dbkim> Hobbsee, is there any serious problem or bug on 7.10?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> dbkim: there are some bugs.  *shrug*
[03:02] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: okay, now you can find out what files it changes.
[03:02] <dbkim> Hobbsee, oh really
[03:02] <Hobbsee> hm, i wonder why we're bulding this for amd64 now
[03:02] <dbkim> Hobbsee, then I should be patience until 7.10 is came out
[03:02] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: getting there but i need a deb of fschange
[03:03] <Hobbsee> bug #133452
[03:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133452 in flashplugin-nonfree "gutsy amd64: flashplugin-nonfree not working" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133452
[03:03] <Hobbsee> dbkim: it wont change much now
[03:03] <dbkim> Hobbsee, hum...
[03:03] <dbkim> Hobbsee, that's true
[03:03] <dbkim> Hobbsee, thanks I will install 7.10 right now =)
[03:04] <fyrestrtr> webulator70: here are the files for pulseaudio > http://packages.debian.org/etch/pulseaudio/i386/filelist
[03:04] <Hobbsee> _bt: it definetly doesnt work on 64bit systems?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> it seems that people think ht has started to
[03:04] <webulator70> fyrestrtr: oh man thats alot of files
[03:04] <_bt> hobsee, no i had to run nspluginwrapper -i .....
[03:05] <Hobbsee>   * debian/control: produce amd64 binaries and depend on
[03:05] <Hobbsee>     nspluginwrapper [amd64]  to make this feasible.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> hm, apparently i'ts supposed to work.
[03:06] <_bt> hobsee: "I did the trick simply by removing: .mozilla/plugins, Maybe .mozilla/plugins was created by an old version of nspluginwrapper and not needed anymore."  << from that bug report, i think this applies to me
[03:07] <unggnu> hi all, anybody here with a Sony laptop
[03:07] <Pete__> unggnu: Yep, I am
[03:07] <Pete__> I have*
[03:08] <unggnu> Pete__, cool, does your brightness work?
[03:08] <unggnu> How much modi do you have?
[03:08] <Pete__> unggnu: I use a utility called smartdimmer for it, and yes.
[03:08] <Pete__> unggnu: FE21M
[03:08] <Pete__> Does not work on FZ series I believe
[03:09] <unggnu> damn, nvidia card :(
[03:09] <Pete__> unggnu: Which model do you have?
[03:09] <unggnu> TX2
[03:09] <unggnu> Anyone else with a Sony laptop :)
[03:10] <unggnu> Pete__, Your laptop doesn't use the sony-laptop interface since it has an nvidia card I guess.
[03:11] <Pete__> Yep, I guess so. You are an intel onboard then?
[03:14] <daekdroom> Does envy support gutsy?
[03:15] <Pete__> daekdroom: What is wrong with the repo drivers?
[03:15] <Seeker`> does anyone know where the shortcut win+c is defined - it seems to center my mouse on the screen
[03:15] <daekdroom> Pete__: they seem to don't support 3D acceleration.
[03:16] <Pete__> daekdroom: nvidia or ati?
[03:16] <daekdroom> Pete__: ATI x1100
[03:16] <arcil> where can i file bugs for packages?
[03:17] <Pete__> I think I remember a modification for envy to let it work with gusty
[03:17] <daekdroom> Pete__: XORG is using "ati" drivers, i've no idea why i can't use compiz fusion.
[03:17] <murlidhar> fyrestrtr: nothing on the screen. have removed the work ' quiet ' from menu.lst still can't see anything until the login windows shows up
[03:18] <xsacha> daekdroom: because those drivers only support up to x1050
[03:18] <xsacha> radeon 7000 -> x1050
[03:19] <daekdroom> xsacha: damn.
[03:19] <daekdroom> xsacha: so i've to install ATI drivers?
[03:19] <xsacha> unfortunately :(
[03:19] <daekdroom> xsacha: ah ye, x1100 = x200
[03:19] <unggnu> Pete__, yes
[03:19] <xsacha> yeah x200m is the exception -- unsupported for 3d
[03:19] <daekdroom> .... damn.
[03:19] <xsacha> x1100 is the same
[03:20] <xsacha> should work with the closed drivers tho :)
[03:20] <daekdroom> well, as i can't use envy and Ubuntu proprietary driver tool doesn't work here...
[03:20] <daekdroom> I'm going to download them at ati.com =P
[03:20] <xsacha> mmm restricted drivers dont work?
[03:20] <xsacha> i dont recommend ati.com
[03:20] <xsacha> try n get restricted working?
[03:20] <Seeker`> I seem to be unable to define shortcuts in amarok
[03:21] <daekdroom> i'm using those which come with ubuntu
[03:21] <xsacha> i know
[03:21] <xsacha> but you can go to restricted in ubuntu and get the fglrx driver
[03:21] <daekdroom> but restricted drivers tool don't start here.
[03:21] <daekdroom> and when i try to change into fglrx driver.. wel.. nothing happens.
[03:21] <murlidhar> can't see anything on my screen till the login window comes up . Why . Somebody help me and the boot up time takes a long time
[03:21] <daekdroom> i downloaded the packages using synapitc.
[03:22] <xsacha> mm no good :( thats with the RC?
[03:22] <daekdroom> Do i have to close X to change teh drivers?
[03:22] <daekdroom> yes
[03:22] <xsacha> must be bug i guess, i havent tried
[03:22] <xsacha> yeah X needs to be restarted if you change xorg.conf
[03:23] <daekdroom> when i try System > Adm > Screen and Graphics it doesn't do anything
[03:23] <daekdroom> RC isn't  a good option when you have hardware compatibility problems..
[03:23] <daekdroom> I needed to try 5 tutorials till i got my USB modem working
[03:23] <xsacha> hehe
[03:25] <daekdroom> xsacha: i have to edit the "/etc/x11/ one or the one that is at "/usr/share/xresprobe/" ?
[03:25] <aLeSD> little problem
[03:25] <xsacha> the /etc/X11
[03:25] <aLeSD> greeter crashs in my system after an update
[03:27] <daekdroom> xsacha: so after i modify it i press Crtl + alt + backspace?
[03:28] <Pete__> Hmm, its not just konqueror, adept manager/updater is slow also
[03:28] <sebsebseb> stupid me,  let's  test the trying to send something to the deleted items,  from the NTFS partition,  that I am now able to do stuff with in Gutsy.   oh  damn deleted something I wanted to keep really.  it's not in deleted items in Gutsy.  will it be in Vista's  recyle bin, I guess not.  is  there any way I can get it back?  without needing to download it again
[03:28] <penguin42> yeesh - nope, don't like kvirc - time to try a different one
[03:29] <jon9314> i have gutsy rc1 installed and my /home partition is on a second hard drive. when finnal release comes out i wan't to clean install. will i be able to save my /home easily?
[03:29] <Powerking89670> sebsebseb: because of the way it was deleted, it is likely gone forever; if it IS in the recycle bin let me know so i can say "WTF!"
[03:30] <sebsebseb> what way was it deleted?
[03:31] <sebsebseb> also if I am doing stuff with the NTFS partition in Gutsy,  when I try and boot up Vista later on,  it might not like it I think?
[03:31] <Powerking89670> sebsebseb: it was actuallyed DELETED; windows moves the files you "delete" into the recycle bin first, the NTFS partition handler for linux will not do that
[03:32] <sebsebseb> I see
[03:32] <sebsebseb> even though it says it is being sent to delete items hummmmmm
[03:32] <Powerking89670> sebsebseb: As long as you dont mess with any system settings, or know what your doing, yes it may flip out
[03:33] <sebsebseb> yes exactly at the moment seems I can delete anything I want from inside Linux with that NTFS partition.  I am not stupid enough to delete some system file myself for Vista,  but something could happen I guess,  and one or more gets deleted.
[03:33] <xsacha> virus could delete it
[03:33] <sebsebseb> exactly
[03:33] <xsacha> because other partitions dont have same protection
[03:33] <sebsebseb> altough there aren't that many viruses for Linux?
[03:34] <Powerking89670> sebsebseb: they exist, but not like on windows
[03:34] <Pete__> especially ones that go hunting for NTFS partitions ;)
[03:34] <sebsebseb> and I would have to pretty much say,  yes install this virus in Linux?
[03:34] <Powerking89670> sebsebseb: You would have to be pretty damn stupid to get one :p
[03:34] <sebsebseb> was that a joke Pete___ ?
[03:35] <Powerking89670> sebsebseb: or, perhaps you anger someone who knows linux very well...that wouldnt be a smart idea either
[03:35] <Powerking89670> :p
[03:36] <Pete__> Yes, I wouldn't personally worry about something going for your vista partition, you could mount it read only?
[03:36] <Powerking89670> sebsebseb: the only thing I can advice is to be careful :p
[03:36] <sebsebseb> in the past I had my  Gutsy alpha something partition (which later removed, and re installed Feisty,  and yesterday upgrade to Gutsy RC)  and  before the reinsalling of course I had data to back up so on.
[03:36] <sebsebseb> and this computer only has one CD drive,  so coudn't simpally put in a Live CD,  and burn stuff with K3B
[03:36] <sebsebseb> so  I tryed out an  Ext2/3 driver in Vista,  that made it so I could  do anything I wanted with my  Ext3  Linux partition of the time
[03:37] <sebsebseb> including deleting system stuff.  and now basically I got the reverse here in Gutsy
[03:37] <sebsebseb> with my NTFS partition
[03:37] <sebsebseb> surely I can set up permission on the NTFS partition,  and so no I just want to read these folders?
[03:37] <sebsebseb> and say
[03:37] <sebsebseb> no I Just want to read these folders
[03:38] <Powerking89670> sebsebseb: yes, you can mount the drive as read-only
[03:38] <daekdroom> how do i active compiz fusion?
[03:38] <Powerking89670> sebsebseb: someone else should help you with that mounting bussiness; it gives me a headache locally as it is :P
[03:38] <sebsebseb> not sure how to do that,  but it does become a bit more convient now if I can write to say my documents and what not in Vista,  from Linux
[03:39] <sebsebseb> altough I got a 40GB or so Fat32 for sharing files between both OS's
[03:40] <jon9314> i have gutsy rc1 installed and my /home partition is on a second hard drive. when finnal release comes out i wan't to clean install. will i be able to save my /home easily?
[03:40] <sebsebseb> if you got home in it's own partition
[03:40] <sebsebseb> you can just upgrade RC1
[03:40] <sebsebseb> yes  if you upgrade Gutsy it will upgrade to the final
[03:41] <sebsebseb> if you want to do a proper clean install you should be able to just delete the Gutsy partitions whilst keeping your home
[03:41] <sebsebseb> and then re install and you got your home partition still there and working yes
[03:41] <jon9314> anything specal during the install?
[03:42] <sebsebseb> why do you want to clean install?  why not just apply all updates
[03:42] <sebsebseb> then you get the final
[03:42] <sebsebseb> that's easier
[03:42] <Powerking89670> job9314: dont format the old /home partition, and use it as your new /home partition
[03:42] <jon9314> restricted drivers arn't working. not sure if it is somthing i did.
[03:42] <Powerking89670> its like you've got 4 partitions, /, boot, home, and swap
[03:43] <Powerking89670> you wipe /, boot, and swap, but dont wipe home
[03:43] <penguin42> has anyone seen 'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: Parse error in /home/dg/.config/menus/applications-merged/xdg-desktop-menu-dummy.menu, line 1, col 1: unexpected end of file' - it seems to be an empty file
[03:43] <dennda> Hi there. Any idea why suspend2ram still doesn't always work? (screen is not turned on again) - Any ideas how to fix it?
[03:43] <sebsebseb> suspend 2 ram?
[03:43] <dennda> sebsebseb: yes
[03:43] <sebsebseb> sleep mode?
[03:43] <jon9314> so it wont be hard at all?  thanks
[03:43] <dennda> sebsebseb: the correct term is suspend to ram, but yes. sleep
[03:43] <dennda> anything stops working except RAM
[03:44] <Powerking89670> dennda: I had that same problem back in fiesty, it may be a hardware issue, but i'm not certain
[03:44] <sebsebseb> same here,  altough not tryed with
[03:44] <sebsebseb> upgrade to Gutsy RC
[03:44] <sebsebseb> altough I think same thing will apply
[03:44] <dennda> Powerking89670: well, it worked in gutsy some updates ago. but now it always fails
[03:44] <sebsebseb> if I put in sleep mode
[03:44] <Powerking89670> jon9314: nope, thats the purpose of putting it onto the new partition :p
[03:44] <sebsebseb> it seems to do it all,  but then I carn't get it back on again working,  altough it works fine in Vista of course on this same computer
[03:44] <dennda> this is gutsy with latest updates
[03:44] <Powerking89670> dennda: same here, but I'm not gonna test mine atm....I dont want to reboot just yet :p
[03:45] <jon9314> great thanks
[03:45] <sebsebseb> dennda:  I guess there isan't a driver for yours and my computer hence why sleep dosan't work for us
[03:45] <dennda> sebsebseb: as i said: it worked once in gutsy but does no more
[03:45] <Powerking89670> sebsebseb & dennda: I'm not sad about it not working...I hope to get new hardware soon anyway :D
[03:45] <dennda> it worked perfectly well with tribe 5 + some updates. but then, after updating further it keeps failing
[03:45] <sebsebseb> it don't work for you also?
[03:46] <sebsebseb> powerking
[03:46] <Powerking89670> sebsebseb: I doubt it, I havent tested though
[03:46] <sebsebseb> and this computer is from March or so, so resaonblly new hardware I guess, altough quite standard PC really
[03:46] <sebsebseb> and sleep works fine in Vista on here
[03:46] <sebsebseb> damn useful feature to
[03:46] <Powerking89670> sebsebseb: you dont want to know my specs...you just dont :p
[03:47] <sebsebseb> 128MB RAM :d
[03:47] <dennda> i will try it with fglrx, although i doubt it works
[03:47] <Powerking89670> 512 :p
[03:47] <sebsebseb> 1GB here of course since this comp came with Visduh shit Home Premium
[03:48] <Powerking89670> Just install XP over the Vista
[03:48] <sebsebseb> ,but my old computer had 128MB or so yes
[03:48] <sebsebseb> Vista is better than XP in certain ways,  but
[03:48] <boteeka> Hello everyone
[03:48] <sebsebseb> I would rather use Ubuntu or some other Linux distro like that, over  Vista or XP any day :)
[03:48] <Powerking89670> sebsebseb: or do what I did, just install Gutsy...I dont have windows at all...except for that Virtual Machine :p
[03:49] <boteeka> Have you ever tinkered with pulseaudio?
[03:49] <Powerking89670> boteeka: Just ask your question, if anyone can answer it; they will :D
[03:50] <boteeka> I have installed pulseaudio from the default gutsy repos, but sometimes randomly the sound is broken with it
[03:50] <Pete__> Problem all along was IPv6, working now!
[03:50] <boteeka> there is a problem with the playback speed
[03:50] <boteeka> it plays too fast
[03:50] <Powerking89670> sebsebseb: why are you CTCP'ing my Version and Ping :p
[03:51] <boteeka> I have an onboard nvidia soundstorm audio system with opensource intel drivers
[03:51] <sebsebseb> ,because I love you why else ha ha :d
[03:51] <Powerking89670> :p
[03:52] <soul9> hi!
[03:52] <soul9> isn't the new intel driver supposed to be able to give dinamically set up dual-screen?
[03:53] <soul9> because in the graphics settings I can't do a dual-monitor set-up
[03:53] <soul9> either it's the internal monitor, either it's the external crt, but not both?
[03:53] <soul9> s/?/.
[03:57] <murlidhar> how can i enable my startup screen ??????? please tell me plus there is no shutdown screen too
[03:57] <murlidhar> :(
[03:58] <soul9> what's a startup screen?
[03:58] <soul9> you mean you have text scrolling when starting your machine and you want a picture?
[03:58] <murlidhar> no i don't have that too
[03:59] <soul9> wtf?
[03:59] <murlidhar> A graphical screen tthat tells me the position of the ubuntu loading
[04:00] <soul9> what do you have instead?
[04:00] <murlidhar> soul9: ^
[04:00] <murlidhar> nothing
[04:00] <soul9> that's impossible
[04:00] <murlidhar> just a blank till the login screen comes
[04:01] <soul9> what graphics card do you have?
[04:01] <murlidhar> well the inbuilt one in intel 845
[04:01] <soul9> that's strange
[04:01] <soul9> !paste
[04:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:01] <murlidhar> what should i paste?
[04:01] <soul9> paste your /boot/grub/menu.lst file there please
[04:02] <murlidhar> k
[04:03] <murlidhar> soul9: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40626/
[04:04] <daekdroom> how do i active compiz fusion?
[04:04] <amr> hi, i am haviing problem with gusty , when i start gusty the 2 boxes where i type username and password , the fonts of user and password ar so big and when i log in the title bar of all windows are very big and i am having a fresh install and that problem in both live cd and fresh install any one knows how can i fix it
[04:05] <amr> and when i restart x the problem solved for windows only but not the user and password box
[04:05] <penguin42> amr: Which graphics card do you have and what res monitor?
[04:06] <amr> intel graphic media accelerator
[04:06] <joakim-> i have a problem with setting up two monitors in gutsy
[04:06] <amr> 1280x800
[04:06] <joakim-> the settings i make in displayconfig-gtk doesnt seem to be saved
[04:06] <joakim-> works nice when i test it through there
[04:06] <amr> didn't try to use 2 monitors
[04:07] <soul9> murlidhar, what resolution do you use?
[04:07] <joakim-> but its not saved
[04:07] <murlidhar> soul9: 1440X900
[04:07] <soul9> wow
[04:07] <penguin42> amr: OK go to the system menu then administration ->Screens and Graphics
[04:07] <soul9> same as me :-)
[04:07] <murlidhar> :0
[04:07] <murlidhar> :)
[04:08] <amr> ok done
[04:08] <soul9> murlidhar, so in that file, try changing every vga=773 to vga=791
[04:08] <penguin42> has the video problem with the Intel drivers been fixed? I dropped back to the i810 driver
[04:08] <soul9> then try it
[04:08] <penguin42> (video as in video playback)
[04:08] <murlidhar> soul9: in feisty it was fine
[04:08] <murlidhar> soul9: k
[04:08] <soul9> well, dunno
[04:09] <soul9> for me it was fine in feisty and it's fine in gutsy too :-/
[04:09] <soul9> actually I think it's a lot prettier in gutsy
[04:10] <murlidhar> brb
[04:12] <soul9> penguin42, nope, the intel drivers are still crap
[04:12] <amr> please any one can help me to mute my laptop speakers when plugin my headphone
[04:12] <soul9> no dual-screen display
[04:12] <soul9> and video playback sucks too
[04:13] <soul9> how long will these drivers remain beta?
[04:15] <Lerris> Out of curiosity does anyone have k3b burning dvds using a sata dvd recorder on an amd64 platform?  I'm having no luck, and its not the recorder since I got what I needed done with an old 32bit knoppix lusb thumbdrive.
[04:15] <penguin42> soul9: Oh well, I'll stick to the i810 drivers, they're pretty solid
[04:15] <soul9> yeah
[04:15] <soul9> penguin42, though dual-display sucks even more on that one
[04:15] <penguin42> soul9: With the Intel ones being the default we're going to have a hell of a lot of traffic on here in a week or so then!
[04:17] <murlidhar> soul9: it gave me a message " undefined code . please change the number. " and then booted but nothing on the screen again
[04:17] <soul9> lol
[04:17] <soul9> murlidhar, hmm, strange
[04:18] <soul9> try vga=ask
[04:18] <soul9> it'll then give you options
[04:18] <soul9> iirc
[04:18] <murlidhar> in the terminal?
[04:19] <murlidhar> soul9: ^
[04:20] <soul9> no
[04:20] <murlidhar> where then?
[04:20] <soul9> in that /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[04:20] <soul9> change vga=whatever to vga=ask
[04:20] <murlidhar> k
[04:20] <soul9> for the first kernel only, you don't need it for the rest
[04:20] <soul9> it's just to find out which one works
[04:21] <soul9> then just try them out, memorize their numbers and put the number of the one that worked in menu.lst
[04:22] <murlidhar> brb
[04:24] <kingrayray> sometimes when i am trying to define custom actions for a specific filetype in nautilus it says it cant add the applicatoin to the database
[04:24] <kingrayray> does the same thing when i try to make wine handle .exe files
[04:26] <kingrayray> like, do i have to make a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications or something? its just a shell script i'm trying to use :/
[04:29] <kingrayray> http://kingrayray.wallooza.org/Screenshot.png <- like that
[04:32] <murlidhar> soul9:  the codes that i have got is very much different
[04:33] <murlidhar> soul9:  the codes are like 0f07 - 80X60
[04:33] <Laser87> Hi!
[04:34] <soul9> murlidhar, I think those codes work too, if you put them after vga
[04:34] <Laser87> I have probs with Gran Paradiso
[04:34] <soul9> I'm not really sure, though
[04:34] <Laser87> Anybody using it?
[04:34] <soul9> I'll look around
[04:34] <soul9> Laser87, is it working nice?
[04:34] <soul9> murlidhar, have you found any mode that works for you?
[04:35] <murlidhar> no i there are many so tried few of them there
[04:35] <soul9> I don't know, do you have the usplash package installed?
[04:35] <Laser87> soul9: No, I have no files, edit... on the top. Only when I move mouse over it
[04:36] <Laser87> It's firefox3.0a8
[04:36] <soul9> that might be a feature
[04:36] <Laser87> and no tabs are shown - never...
[04:37] <soul9> that's strange
[04:39] <Laser87> soul9: That's why I asked, if anybody else uses Gran Paradiso and if  there is the same prob
[04:39] <daekdroom> How do i active compiz-fusion?
[04:40] <soul9> you active compiz-fusion?
[04:40] <gnomefreak> daekdroom: system>prefferences>apprearnce
[04:40] <paducahguy> freak .. i need your help.. lol
[04:40] <daekdroom> gnomefreak: it's not working
[04:40] <boris_> get open source driver (if u got ati card) and then u can start in in system>preferences>appearance>visualization
[04:40] <paducahguy> ok
[04:40] <paducahguy> hmm
[04:41] <daekdroom> boris_: i'm using fgrlx and i still can't active it
[04:41] <gnomefreak> daekdroom: what video card do you have? did you install drivers? can you give me an error? how did you install the drivers?
[04:41] <Laser87> penguin42: yeah, it has been alright til last week - now it is alpha8 instead of alpha7  and these probs
[04:41] <ximal> freak you there ?
[04:41] <boris_> daekdroom fglrx for ati doesnt work
[04:41] <daekdroom> gnomefreak: X1100 onboard, yes, "desktop effects can't be activated", synapitc
[04:41] <daekdroom> boris_: so what do i have to install?
[04:41] <boris_> wait a sec ill get u a link
[04:42] <boris_> daekdroom https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[04:42] <boris_> i got compiz fusion workin on ati rv350
[04:43] <boris_> but i dont know how to get fusion workin with nvidia
[04:43] <boris_> this guide worked for me
[04:43] <mc44> daekdroom: you need to get xserver-xgl
[04:43] <daekdroom> boris_: it says 2D acceleration only: "200M Northbridge integrated", x1100 is x200 :/
[04:44] <boris_> sorry then
[04:44] <ximal> i got irssi working ... but umm.. heh... i accidentally got it auto-joining ubtuntu also.. lol
[04:44] <hetauma> how can I use in oOffice times new roman or other true type fotns?
[04:44] <ximal> how do i remove some channels from auto join ?
[04:44] <boris_> daekdroom does fglrx driver work for 3D games ?
[04:45] <daekdroom> no idea
[04:45] <mc44> hetauma: the msttcorefonts has fonts such as times new roman
[04:46] <saeed> hi, anyone knows how to setup compiz-fusion in kubuntu?
[04:46] <saeed> I have installed gutsy
[04:46] <gnomefreak> gutsy?
[04:46] <saeed> yes
[04:46] <boris_> saeed what graphic card ?
[04:47] <gnomefreak> install the packages install your video card driver using restricted-manager
[04:47] <saeed> intel 915
[04:47] <hetauma> mc44, ty
[04:47] <boris_> gnomefreak im not sure if propietary drivers work
[04:47] <daekdroom> boris_: yes they don't
[04:48] <gnomefreak> boris_: for the 915 either they are installed already or he uses the xserver-xorg-video-intel (name of package might be wrong)
[04:48] <daekdroom> gnomefreak: I'm using them, because the "Ati" one screws up brightness configuration xD
[04:48] <saeed> but how do I start the darn thing?
[04:48] <saeed> I read there's compiz-icon
[04:48] <boris_> just a sec
[04:48] <gnomefreak> saeed: no not yet and havent heard if or not
[04:48] <saeed> that allows u to switch between kwin and compiz
[04:48] <saeed> LOL
[04:48] <boris_> Compiz Fusion Icon is a tray icon that provides quick access to CCSM, Emerald Theme Manager, and basic functions (eg. switching WMs or decorators). For debian sid users, it is included in shame's repo. To install from git, "sudo apt-get install git-core" then do the following: git clone git://anongit.opencompositing.org/users/crdlb/fusion-icon && cd fusion-icon && sudo make install
[04:48] <saeed> it's been out for a long time now
[04:49] <gnomefreak> saeed: we have somthing already that does that from mouth of compiz devel
[04:49] <saeed> I had it running in Sabayon Linux
[04:49] <daekdroom> boris_: no 3d acceleration, no way to run it here.
[04:49] <saeed> how do I get it please?
[04:49] <boris_> get what ?
[04:49] <gnomefreak> saeed: read the instructions above
[04:50] <saeed> thanks guys
[04:50] <saeed> at least I got some answers here
[04:50] <gnomefreak> saeed: my suggestion is to set up compiz first
[04:50] <saeed> how do I do that?
[04:50] <gnomefreak> saeed: ask in right channel you will
[04:50] <saeed> I have no idea how to do it
[04:50] <gnomefreak> saeed: install it
[04:51] <gnomefreak> install your drivers if not already
[04:51] <saeed> I installed everything related to compiz and compiz-fusion
[04:51] <boris_> daekdroom you should get a new card or something
[04:52] <gnomefreak> saeed: on kde its different on gnome you would have it runing by default but you need to find in menu something for appearance and there should be somthing there
[04:52] <boris_> but i hear ati is going to release propietary drivers that work with compiz fusion
[04:52] <murlidhar> soul9:  i have a few doubts in the synaptic there are currently three kernels installed 2.6.22-14 ,   2.6.22-15   2.6.22-16 and in the menu i see only 2.6.22-14
[04:52] <saeed> I have nothing like that in kubuntu
[04:52] <saeed> nothing that mentions desktop effects
[04:52] <mc44> boris_: they already work with it, but you need to use xgl. They are going to have aiglx drivers soon
[04:53] <boris_> mc44 well thats it
[04:53] <gnomefreak> saeed: did you install the kdeconfigure package for compiz?
[04:53] <saeed> I guess the kubuntu developers don't care much about 3d effects
[04:53] <mc44> saeed: try asking in #kubuntu
[04:53] <saeed> I have been there
[04:53] <boris_> mc44 xgl is worse than aiglx, much worse
[04:53] <gnomefreak> saeed: they are waiting for kwin
[04:53] <gnomefreak> mc44: no
[04:53] <saeed> they know nothing about compiz
[04:53] <Konam> where can I change the shades on comments in compiz-fusion?
[04:53] <soul9> murlidhar, yeah, that sounds like no good
[04:53] <Konam> I think that options seems to be causing me problems: http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3956/pantallazoml6.png
[04:53] <saeed> I have install ALL compiz-packages
[04:53] <murlidhar> soul9:  i also have starup-manager
[04:53] <soul9> murlidhar, you could try duplicating the lines of that kernel and changing -14 to -16..
[04:53] <gnomefreak> saeed: ther eis a kde package for compiz make sure you have it than it will give you a menu item
[04:54] <soul9> murlidhar, what's that?
[04:54] <saeed> I have installed all of them
[04:54] <saeed> which one do u have in mind?
[04:54] <murlidhar> soul9: it is the graphical end to grub.menu
[04:54] <gnomefreak> saeed: than there IS  a menu item you just have to find it
[04:54] <soul9> murlidhar, oh
[04:54] <boris_> saeed try searching 'compiz kde'
[04:55] <soul9> murlidhar, well, I don't now, I like editing textfiles, at least I see what's happening. I wouldn't let a graphical tool mess up my menu.lst..
[04:55] <saeed> here's what I have in my menu relating to compiz : ccsm and emerlad
[04:55] <boris_> yo ppl
[04:55] <gnomefreak> saeed: compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig
[04:55] <murlidhar> but that's how i came to know that there are 3 kernels installed
[04:55] <murlidhar> soul9: ^
[04:55] <boris_> it seems beryl is gone in synaptic
[04:56] <boris_> whys that ?
[04:56] <mc44> boris_: beryl doesn't exist any more
[04:56] <gnomefreak> saeed: ccsm is nto a package in gutsy
[04:56] <boris_> emerald themes package is gone as well
[04:56] <boris_> mc44 but emerald does
[04:56] <soul9> murlidhar, whatever
[04:56] <gnomefreak> is not
[04:56] <soul9> murlidhar, look in /boot, in /
[04:56] <soul9> check if you have the same in menu.lst
[04:56] <mc44> boris_: compiz fusion is beryl/compiz
[04:57] <boris_> mc44 yes i know
[04:57] <saeed> I have ALL packages related to compiz installed
[04:57] <saeed> ALL of them
[04:57] <murlidhar> soul9: it shows all three of them
[04:57] <mc44> boris_: then why ask where beryl is
[04:57] <boris_> mc44 but emerald themes are gone and emerald is included in fusion
[04:57] <murlidhar> now
[04:57] <boris_> well
[04:57] <gnomefreak> saeed: you also have packages that are not in gutsy installedd that can be causing conflict
[04:57] <soul9> murlidhar, what does?
[04:57] <boris_> mc44 they could keep it
[04:57] <gnomefreak> saeed: and you cant have all of them installed anyway
[04:57] <soul9> well, this is too mch for me
[04:57] <murlidhar> soul9: all the three kernels
[04:58] <saeed> I have everything installed, the only ones missing are for development
[04:58] <murlidhar> soul9: should i go and uninstalled the old kernels
[04:58] <gnomefreak> saeed: read the docs or uninstall them and reinstall them
[04:58] <saeed> and I am not a compiz developer
[04:58] <soul9> murlidhar, no
[04:58] <murlidhar> k
[04:58] <soul9> murlidhar, uname -a should tell you what kernel you're running
[04:59] <gnomefreak> saeed: pastebin the output of dpkg -L compiz*
[04:59] <murlidhar> right now its 14
[04:59] <murlidhar> i guess
[04:59] <soul9> so start 16?
[04:59] <murlidhar> it's 15
[04:59] <gnomefreak> sorry its dpkg -l compiz*
[05:00] <boris_> i want windows to burn (in compiz fusion) when i minimize them, is it possible
[05:00] <murlidhar> shall i first try 16 and the grub ? soul9
[05:00] <murlidhar> at*
[05:00] <soul9> well, try to boot the -16 kernel
[05:00] <mc44> boris_: use compizconfig-settings-manager
[05:00] <murlidhar> brb
[05:00] <ayobdk> hello
[05:00] <soul9> I'm not sure that'll help you, but it might
[05:00] <saeed> http://pastebin.ca/736424
[05:01] <boris_> mc44 do you think im stupid or what ? it doesnt work i tried it
[05:01] <ayobdk> any way to have an ati card diaplay a 1440x900 resolution_
[05:01] <saeed> here's what I get when I run dpkg -l compiz*
[05:01] <ayobdk> ?
[05:02] <mc44> boris_: you set minimize animation to burn?
[05:02] <gnomefreak> libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig saeed install it
[05:02] <saeed> I have it installed
[05:02] <saeed> I checked in adept manager
[05:02] <saeed> it's there
[05:03] <gnomefreak> dpkg -l libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig
[05:03] <gnomefreak> what version is installed
[05:04] <saeed> http://pastebin.ca/736426
[05:04] <saeed> here's what I get when I search for that package
[05:04] <gnomefreak> saeed: there is a  menu entry (should be without that package anyway afaik) but you are saying its not there so either its a bug that needs to be filed or you are not looking hard enough did you try starting it from terminal?
[05:05] <saeed> nope
[05:05] <saeed> how do I start it from konsole?
[05:05] <gnomefreak> compiz (not sure if you would use --replace-kwin or not) try compiz to run it
[05:06] <gnomefreak> saeed: also assuming you are using kde 3.5.7
[05:07] <saeed> yes
[05:07] <gnomefreak> saeed: errors here will help if any
[05:07] <gnomefreak> brb smoke
[05:08] <Ximal> guess what ! muhahaha.. I got my irssi configred finally..
[05:08] <Ximal> lol
[05:08] <Ximal> hey pricechild ! how ya been ?
[05:09] <tazz> i installed gutsy last night with netinstall but it is taking too long to boot now....
[05:09] <tazz> it took 50 min too boot in single user mode....
[05:09] <tazz> any one wanna help me debug?
[05:10] <Ximal> Would someone be willing to take the time to answer a couple size and partition questions ?
[05:10] <Konam> Ximal just ask
[05:10] <Ximal> I need to know when I rip/decrypt movies that I am being told I am out of harddrive space ?
[05:10] <tazz> Ximal, is some on can answer they will, so ask :-)
[05:10] <Ximal> konam thanks , but sometimes you guys are so busy helping others.. my trivial issues are not of a big concern.. just little tweaks..
[05:11] <Ximal> thanks konam and tazz ;)
[05:11] <tazz> Ximal, you are sure you have enough disk space?
[05:11] <Ximal> yes.. lemme open gpart
[05:11] <Konam> you're being told when you're running out of space
[05:12] <tazz> why do you need gpart?
[05:12] <Ximal> no.. just that I don't have enough space
[05:12] <Ximal> i don't need it.. i installed it as a secondary tool.. to show me hard drive statistics ;)
[05:12] <Ximal> ok .. why do i have /dev/sda2 and sda4 ... with 2 swaps ?
[05:13] <Konam> Ximal if you don't have enough space and your home is in the same partition as root, you will be warned before you start the process
[05:13] <Ximal> are from different possible installs ? i don't get it..
[05:13] <Ximal> i see two swaps.. i thought i needed only 1
[05:13] <Konam> Ximal am I getting you wrong?
[05:13] <Laser87> Ximal: u get 2 swaps from different installations when running automatic installation
[05:14] <Ximal> hmm
[05:14] <Ximal> but i always deleted old swaps.. etc
[05:14] <Ximal> i only have 1 installation i thought..
[05:14] <Laser87> Ximal: when u choose: installation on biggest free space
[05:15] <Ximal> yeah
[05:15] <Ximal> I did .. lol
[05:15] <Ximal> but i chose the remaining free space..
[05:15] <Ximal> and I would delete the last partitions not related to windows..
[05:15] <Laser87> Ximal: then u still have the old installation and on the biggest free space a brand new installation, including a brand new swap
[05:16] <Ximal> hmm
[05:16] <Ximal> so ...
[05:16] <Ximal> should i delete old partitions ?
[05:16] <Ximal> i don't know what to do..
[05:17] <Laser87> Ximal: if u don't need em anymore... b shure to keep your /home :-)
[05:17] <Ximal> well
[05:17] <Laser87> -h
[05:18] <Ximal> i figured the one with the most USED space is the partition i should not bother/edit
[05:18] <Ximal> lol
[05:18] <Ximal> so i'd delete the other one..
[05:18] <Laser87> Ximal: at least u can delete one swap
[05:18] <Ximal> and then ..
[05:18] <Ximal> join the free space with the larger one
[05:19] <Laser87> <- beer is empty b***s***
[05:19] <RivaeAerya> How do i make the updater stop asking me questions? I'm upgrading to Gutsy and it's stopping all the time just because it's overwriting some config files or i have to configure something..
[05:19] <RivaeAerya> and, can i use my computer while it's upgrading?
[05:20] <tazz> RivaeAerya, sure you can use your comp
[05:20] <RivaeAerya> tazz: ok :)
[05:20] <RivaeAerya> tazz: and how do i stop that updater from asking me questions?
[05:21] <tazz> you may have to reboot your comp once you are done upgrading though.
[05:21] <tazz> RivaeAerya, try the -F option.
[05:21] <Ximal> i'm sorry if i didn't reply.. would someone mind telling me how to scroll up in irssi to see what i missed ?
[05:21] <RivaeAerya> tazz: it's already busy
[05:21] <Ximal> ughh nm
[05:21] <RivaeAerya> tazz: i can't abort it
[05:21] <tazz> Ximal, page up button.
[05:21] <Ximal> haha.. so simple it's not funny
[05:22] <Ximal> lol
[05:22] <Ximal> ok
[05:22] <Ximal> going to do some surgery on my partitions.. wish me luck guys ;)
[05:22] <tazz> RivaeAerya, you can but i would not advice that. :-)
[05:22] <RivaeAerya> tazz: where would i use that -F option?
[05:22] <sleepynate> g'luck ximal
[05:22] <Ximal> wait..
[05:22] <Ximal> do i just JOIN both of the swaps together ?
[05:22] <tazz> RivaeAerya, you would use the -f option in commandline.
[05:23] <RivaeAerya> tazz: on what program?
[05:23] <Ximal> what's the need of swap ?
[05:23] <Ximal> does larger swaps make a difference /.
[05:23] <Ximal> ?
[05:23] <Laser87> Ximal: swap should be around twice of ram
[05:23] <tazz> RivaeAerya,  umm the commandline as in konsole i guess. but you are using gui arnt you?
[05:23] <RivaeAerya> tazz: yep
[05:23] <LiMaO> Laser87: that's not the recommended setting anymore, is it?
[05:24] <tazz> Ximal, just keep the swap size below 1 gb
[05:24] <tazz> RivaeAerya, then you will have to search for -F option.
[05:24] <Laser87> LiMaO: it's been always just a suggestion
[05:25] <LiMaO> Laser87: i should increase my swap size then =P
[05:25] <RivaeAerya> Laser87: what happens if you increase swap size?
[05:25] <RivaeAerya> tazz: but it's already busty
[05:25] <RivaeAerya> busy*
[05:25] <Ximal> hmm
[05:25] <Ximal> so 1 gig then on the swap
[05:25] <Laser87> Ximal: u can watch what swap is used and then make it smaller
[05:25] <Ximal> give the rest to the main partition ?
[05:26] <Ximal> how do I KNOW ? which one
[05:26] <boris_> mc44 yes but it didnt work
[05:26] <mc44> boris_: then perhaps your card can't handle that animation
[05:26] <Ximal> im going to assume the one with the LOCK next to it ?
[05:26] <Laser87> RivaeAerya: here I just have 256 ram - I need swap - up to 80%
[05:26] <murlidhar> soul9: now it's working the splash is working
[05:26] <murlidhar> :)
[05:26] <RivaeAerya> Laser87: i have 512MB RAM
[05:26] <RivaeAerya> Laser87: what's the needed swap for me?
[05:27] <hydrogen> wow...
[05:27] <hydrogen> mirrors.kernel.org sucking toda
[05:27] <Laser87> RivaeAerya: suggestion is 1 GB
[05:27] <boris_> mc44 my card can handle it for sure, about a month ago when i had feisty and beryl it worked
[05:27] <boris_> im not sure if month ago
[05:27] <Ximal> well ? please sirs ?
[05:27] <tazz> hydrogen, i get that on my GPRS phone ;-)
[05:27] <mc44> boris_: well it works in compiz fusion here
[05:28] <nanonyme> heh
[05:28] <nanonyme> 3g <3
[05:28] <boris_> mc44 what should i type for Window match?
[05:29] <sleepynate> video card would have as much ram as the rig ;D
[05:29] <murlidhar> ok i have only ubuntu and i can see the Three kernels in the grub menu list can i remove the the remaining one from synaptic????????
[05:29] <mc44> boris_: the default should be fine
[05:29] <boris_> well there is no default
[05:29] <mc44> boris_: press the little brush icon thingy
[05:30] <Laser87> murlidhar: I always keep the newest Kernel and the one before for security...
[05:30] <boris_> if i do everything is back to default and fire effect is gone, there is just Zoom
[05:30] <murlidhar> Laser87: but i have there so do i remove the oldest one?
[05:30] <mc44> boris_: then just change zoom to burn
[05:31] <murlidhar> Laser87: got three 3 kernels
[05:31] <boris_> mc44 now it wokrs
[05:31] <boris_> works
[05:32] <Laser87> murlidhar: ya, u can remove the oldest Kernel
[05:32] <sleepynate> murlidhar: if you really feel they've got to go... sudo rm /boot/vmlinuz-x.xx.xx or whatever it is
[05:33] <murlidhar>  thanks guys
[05:33] <Laser87> murlidhar: should be possible in Synaptic too. the one with the smallest number :-)
[05:33] <sleepynate> oh yea
[05:33] <sleepynate> that too :D
[05:33] <murlidhar> :)
[05:33] <RivaeAerya> mc44: may i use my computer while it's upgrading?
[05:34] <murlidhar> right away
[05:34] <tazz> Laser87, right lick uninstall kernel in synaptic.
[05:34] <boris_> mc44 thanks for help
[05:34] <Laser87> murlidhar: and u r still here :-D
[05:34] <mc44> boris_: no problem
[05:34] <murlidhar> RivaeAerya: since in upgrading it removes many services it is better if u don't use your comp
[05:35] <RivaeAerya> murlidhar: hmm and this chat?
[05:35] <RivaeAerya> (konversation)
[05:35] <murlidhar> Laser87: my home channel :)
[05:35] <Laser87> tazz: don#T know, I use the terminal, but I didn't know what way murlidhar prefers
[05:36] <tazz> apt-get remove from terminal
[05:36] <RivaeAerya> murlidhar: can i still use konversation?
[05:36] <RivaeAerya> murlidhar: and konqueror?
[05:36] <tazz> oh that was for murlidhar sorry ;-)
[05:36] <murlidhar> Laser87: i prefer GUI
[05:36] <Laser87> murlidhar: Just wanted to say that u didn't crash your system :-D
[05:37] <murlidhar> naah i did uname -a Laser87 ;)
[05:37] <Konam> where can I change the shades on comments in compiz-fusion?
[05:38] <Konam> I mean, turn off the shades on comments
[05:39] <Ximal> ok guys
[05:39] <Ximal> i deleted the inactive partition...
[05:39] <Ximal> now it won't let me kill the partition that's swap
[05:39] <Ximal> i have 2
[05:39] <Ximal> 1 is 869 one is 1.6 gigs..
[05:39] <Ximal> the 1.6 doesn't have a lock next to it.. it's inactive.. but it's giving me a 5 code
[05:40] <Ximal> something about unmounting it
[05:40] <Laser87> Ximal: u just can delete (or move or increase) partitions that are not mounted
[05:41] <Ximal> no... i'm asking .. is it mounting both upon boot ?
[05:41] <Laser87> so u 1st have to unmount it or (my way) use the gparted-live-cd
[05:42] <Ximal> hmm
[05:43] <murlidhar> Laser87: i uninstalled the other kernels but is it better to reinstall the current kernel since with the old kernel uninstallation several packages like linux-genaric-image and some others were also removed
[05:43] <Ximal> ok laser87  : i'm saying the one without the lock gives me the option to swap on ..
[05:43] <Ximal> I don't know why..
[05:43] <Ximal> but it won't let me delete it
[05:43] <Ximal> do i go to terminal and do /unmount /dev/sda5
[05:45] <Ximal> how do i unmount the partiton ? unmount isn't working
[05:45] <Ximal> do i change to it's directory first ?
[05:45] <Laser87> sry for the late replies - I have to go to work in a few minutes...
[05:45] <murlidhar> for resizing the partitions gparted-live-cd is the best option
[05:45] <Ximal> i'm not resizing..
[05:46] <Ximal> i'm using gparted
[05:46] <Ximal> i'm deleting a swap..
[05:46] <Laser87> murlidhar: normally everything that is removed belongs to just this Kernel, so don't worry
[05:46] <Ximal> then changing the active to 1gig
[05:46] <Ximal> then goign to delete and merge freespace
[05:46] <dave__> I have Ubuntu 7.10 with Fluxbox 1.0 .   When I log in, I can't get that drop down menu to work.  I have used flux a while back, and I right click with the mouse and no menu comes up.  I tried different combinations with my 2 button mouse and no luck.
[05:47] <Laser87> Ximal: ya, unmount the swap u don't need, then delete it
[05:47] <logreeval> Hello, I tried the Gutsy RC on the regular start/install, and when it tried to load the screen would "freeze" and then refocus and it just kept doing it, the only way to get it to work was in safe graphics mode...does anyone know what the problem is?
[05:48] <vmlinuz-> please I really do need a help. I bought a broadcast online streaming video that covers a tournoment in the united states of america, however they cover the tournoment via online video somehow, I log into the PAGE with my username it says
[05:48] <vmlinuz-> The ActiveX components did not initialize.
[05:48] <vmlinuz-> If you are running Internet Explorer on an MS Windows PC,
[05:48] <vmlinuz-> you can install the component manually by clicking here.
[05:48] <vmlinuz-> Then reload this page.
[05:48] <Ximal> how do i unmount it please ?
[05:48] <vmlinuz-> sry for the paste. im really sorry
[05:48] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: you probably need some plugin, probably a video player plugin
[05:48] <Ximal> vmlinuz do you have any java or flash installed ? are you using firefox ?
[05:48] <vmlinuz-> but yeah im using firefox here on ubuntu system, still can't view the streaming online video. can you help me
[05:48] <gnomefreak> umount is used to unmount something
[05:48] <vmlinuz-> i pay money for this event
[05:48] <Laser87> logreeval: try the alternate-cd to install - the desktop-cd I don't like and has bugs (I heard)
[05:48] <Ximal> i got it limao ;)
[05:48] <vmlinuz-> Ximal: yep have both installed
[05:48] <Ximal> ok
[05:49] <mc44> vmlinuz-: if you need activex you need to use IE
[05:49] <vmlinuz-> yea plugin probably but which
[05:49] <Ximal> what error is your browser giving you ?
[05:49] <logreeval> Laser87: ok, but may i ask why so many bugs on the regular one?
[05:49] <Ximal> check and see what plugin it is .. then tell us
[05:49] <Ximal> click on the box at the top of firefox that pops up
[05:49] <vmlinuz-> I'm on linux mc44, isnt' there activex for firefox or anyway for me to view this video at all? I don't own a microsoft pc
[05:49] <LiMaO> Ximal: i'll be here if needed =)
[05:49] <Ximal> like when firefox blocks the popups
[05:49] <vmlinuz-> ok i'll click the link and see the filename
[05:49] <vmlinuz-> one second thank you
[05:49] <Ximal> i wanna try helping it..
[05:49] <mc44> vmlinuz-: no, activex is not on linux
[05:49] <Ximal> this be the first time :)
[05:49] <vmlinuz-> Thats its name. InstallUniDownloadPack3.exe
[05:49] <LiMaO> Ximal: sure, that makes me proud of you =)
[05:49] <vmlinuz-> thats the file needed to be installed for IE
[05:49] <Ximal> mc44 ....
[05:49] <Ximal> ok
[05:49] <vmlinuz-> can it be covered for firefox?
[05:50] <Ximal> what's the maker's website..
[05:50] <Ximal> i'll check for you
[05:50] <vmlinuz-> https://www.onthenetsports.com/viewer.asp
[05:50] <vmlinuz-> this
[05:50] <Ximal> it should give you info in the error line
[05:50] <Ximal> 1 moment
[05:50] <Ximal> lemme check it out bro
[05:50] <Laser87> logreeval: don't ask me - but I guess it's a great Live-CD but not really good for installation
[05:50] <vmlinuz-> thanks Ximal
[05:50] <vmlinuz-> i dont want to miss this event -.-
[05:50] <Ximal> ok
[05:51] <vmlinuz-> i almost fly for it to the united states if not my work.. >_<
[05:51] <Ximal> it's not loading for me either... in the demo one.. i get a blank black screen.. gonna scan the page source for extension..
[05:51] <Ximal> it may be an on the fly wmv server video..
[05:51] <logreeval> Laser87: ok, im just trying out gutsy i got to excited ;)
[05:51] <Ximal> which means you'll exclusively need windows..
[05:51] <Ximal> 1 moment
[05:51] <vmlinuz-> yea same blank/grey screen for me
[05:52] <mc44> vmlinuz-: you could run windows in a virtual machine
[05:52] <LiMaO> i'm gonna check out gutsy rc1 once again in a few minutes
[05:52] <Ximal> ok
[05:52] <Ximal> i'm seeing this file m8..canvidplayer43.dll in the source..
[05:53] <Ximal> i'm going to scan the site see if i can't pull it off and read it.. see if it's actually some kind of link library to code an active server video.. 1 moment m8
[05:53] <vmlinuz-> ok thanks i really appreciate it
[05:53] <vmlinuz-> can i run this boardcast via wine maybe? I have wine installed
[05:54] <Ximal> vmlinuz : contact the site admin ... when is the game ?
[05:55] <thomas_>  where in kubuntu can I modify the users shown at the loginmanager? I tried kcontrol > login manager but to no avail
[05:55] <vmlinuz-> the game is playing right now as we speak :<
[05:55] <Ximal> It looks like they're hiding their code ...
[05:55] <Ximal> hmmm
[05:55] <Ximal> do you have windows installed at home anywhere ?
[05:55] <Ximal> hmmm
[05:55] <vmlinuz-> nop Ximal sadly no
[05:55] <Ximal> 1 moment
[05:55] <mc44> vmlinuz-: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[05:55] <Ximal> going to try a trick..
[05:55] <Ximal> used to work ... try mc44's method right quick m8.. while i look
[05:56] <Laser87> wtf is a "windows"? sumthing to eat?
[05:56] <Laser87> :-D
[05:56] <Ximal> shh laser
[05:56] <vmlinuz-> ok tryin
[05:56] <Ximal> lol
[05:56] <Ximal> i'm trying to help the guy.. gimme some credit ;)
[05:56] <Ximal> heh
[05:56] <Ximal> i'm going to try loading the url to the video of the demo.. if it works.. i'm sure he'll need a LIVE LOGIN and then to load the login's url to the video player
[05:56] <Ximal> it might work..
[05:57] <Ximal> doubtful..
[05:57] <bastid_raZor> referring him to windows is not going to help?
[05:57] <Ximal> kinda like proxying .. lol
[05:57] <Ximal> no.. but if he bought something..we don't want him hearing about it from his friends and ruin watching it
[05:57] <Ximal> right ?
[05:57] <bastid_raZor> true.
[05:57] <Ximal> this is respect to him as a user
[05:57] <Ximal> not as a linux pro hacker zero c00l guy
[05:57] <bastid_raZor> rEspEct~!
[05:58] <Ximal> he'll learn on his own.. like you guys helped me.. heh.. i bounce to windows when i have to.. but so far.. i've stuck it out..
[05:58] <Ximal> vmlinuz ... from now on m8.. ask site administrators if they support linux or have any specific restricted microsoft products.. such as live streaming video sometimes only streamed to microshaft users..
[05:59] <vmlinuz-> ok, now will send email too
[05:59] <Ximal> while you would have been able to watch it if they had chosen different security methods... unfortunately you may not be able to .. because they chose to only program in 1 language..
[05:59] <vmlinuz-> and trying IEs4linux now. its downloading on other terminal now
[05:59] <Ximal> hey
[05:59] <Ximal> hmmm..
[05:59] <Ximal> you could try installing winamp for linux...
[05:59] <bastid_raZor> trying to watch somethign in a browser?
[05:59] <Ximal> and using winamp tv.. see if someone is live broadcasting the game ;)
[05:59] <Laser87> just a joke - i also still have winxp installed (but never booted it since ubuntu)
[05:59] <sleepynate> k fellas, wish my luck on the hardware update (i know... famous last words)
[05:59] <vmlinuz-> Ximal: is there winamp for linux? I will try that too now
[06:00] <vmlinuz-> sudo apt-get install winamp ?
[06:00] <Ximal> me either 87.. i'm actualy trying to crossover and save my windows partition about 6 or 8 gigs.. for dvd ripping linux can't do ;)
[06:00] <Ximal> hmm
[06:00] <Ximal> lemme check
[06:00] <_dan_> vmlinuz- xmms or audiacious
[06:00] <Laser87> vmlinuz-: xmms
[06:00] <Ximal> oh no guys.. this winamp will crossover the files
[06:00] <_dan_> Ximal sure u can tip dvd with linux
[06:00] <Ximal> provide proper streaming..
[06:00] <Laser87> Ximal: linux is much better for dvd ripping
[06:01] <_dan_> Ximal mencoder and multiple gui frontends for example "dvdrip"
[06:01] <Ximal> i know
[06:01] <Ximal> but i found a dvd it couldn't rip
[06:01] <Ximal> ;)
[06:01] <Ximal> i got a special updated edition of dvd decryptor..
[06:01] <Ximal> updated the first of the year..  :)
[06:01] <vmlinuz-> Laser87: xmms can run broadcasts streaming videos online?
[06:02] <Ximal> plus he can WINE winamp
[06:02] <Ximal> :)
[06:02] <bastid_raZor> vmlinuz-: yeah i'm getting the same error line 57 for that site
[06:02] <Laser87> vmlinuz-: xmms is the linux version of winamp
[06:02] <Ximal> if he can get a tcp connect..
[06:02] <Ximal> then he can view the video possibly through it...
[06:02] <RivaeAerya> Guys, the upgrader keeps throwing dialogs at me that say something like "There's a config file, you can replace it, or keep it." what should i do?
[06:02] <RivaeAerya> replace?
[06:02] <RivaeAerya> or keep?
[06:02] <Ximal> xmms is a freesource version
[06:02] <vmlinuz-> bastid_raZor: so i cant see it now :(
[06:02] <Laser87> have to leave now - get me some beer and up to work :-(
[06:03] <RivaeAerya> replace, or keep?
[06:03] <bastid_raZor> RivaeAerya: if you have a said files personally edited .. me i keep my files.
[06:03] <murlidhar> well i paired my sony ericsson phone to my pc . So how do i send files to my phone?????
[06:03] <RivaeAerya> bastid_raZor: i mean while upgrading
[06:04] <bastid_raZor> murlidhar: get bluetooth software
[06:04] <RivaeAerya> bastid_raZor: and i already said "replace" to the others
[06:04] <RivaeAerya> but i don't know if that's a good choice
[06:04] <RivaeAerya> this one's ntp.conf
[06:04] <Ximal> http://librenix.com/?inode=1377 i found this when googling for it vmlinus
[06:04] <murlidhar> bastid_raZor: gutsy has one by default
[06:04] <bastid_raZor> RivaeAerya: i know. i got the same questions. like my bashrc file. i want to keep 'my' files coz i have them tweaked myself. don't want new ones erasing my hard work
[06:04] <RivaeAerya> bastid_raZor: well i didn't tweak any of em
[06:04] <bastid_raZor> murlidhar: true, and i see that in my toolbar now that you say that
[06:05] <bastid_raZor> RivaeAerya: then it probably wouldn't hurt to let gutsy install new ones.. replace
[06:05] <murlidhar> bastid_raZor: i can send files to my computer
[06:05] <bastid_raZor> murlidhar: let me look and see what i use.
[06:05] <RivaeAerya> bastid_raZor: why do i get those questions anyways?
[06:05] <Ximal> can someone please tell me how to mount a target partition please ?
[06:05] <vmlinuz-> IE installation is finished now, how to run it tho >_<
[06:06] <bastid_raZor> RivaeAerya: i would guess for the reason many of those files are modded by users that don't want them overridden. so the choice is a good thing for those who want to keep old configurations
[06:06] <Ximal> i mean unmont *
[06:06] <Ximal> go to your wine in applications at top left
[06:06] <RivaeAerya> bastid_raZor: isn't ubuntu able to detect that? last time i upgraded to the final release it didn't ask me such questions
[06:06] <Ximal> it will bring a windows like startup menu ;)
[06:07] <murlidhar> bastid_raZor: for further options go to preferences>bluetooth
[06:07] <RivaeAerya> bastid_raZor: maybe it's because this one is an Release Candidate?
[06:07] <bastid_raZor> ximal sudo umount /media/location
[06:07] <vmlinuz-> Ximal: yea but It doesn't have IE
[06:07] <bastid_raZor> RivaeAerya: possibly.
[06:07] <thomas_> hi, I get some users in the login sceen list that I rather would see hidden, where do I configure that (using kdm)
[06:07] <Ximal> sudo: unmount: command not found
[06:08] <thomas_> Ximal: umount
[06:08] <murlidhar> RivaeAerya: even i got the same ntp question and even i didn't tweak them don't worry overwrite it
[06:08] <Ximal> umount: /dev/sda5: not mounted
[06:08] <thomas_> mount it first?
[06:08] <RivaeAerya> murlidhar: ok but it prevents me from doing anything else because i have to stay with the update so that when it asks me a question it doesn't stop upgrading
[06:08] <markelhas> hi ppl can i change my ubuntu disk partition to have one only for home?
[06:08] <thomas_> before unmounting
[06:08] <Ximal> ahh .. need to mount to delete it ..
[06:08] <Ximal> hmm
[06:09] <bastid_raZor> murlidhar: now that i look i have a kde app that sends info to my phone
[06:09] <Ximal> mount: can't find /dev/sda5 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:09] <murlidhar> bastid_raZor: name it
[06:09] <thomas_> Ximal: then specify a mount point
[06:09] <thomas_> !mount | Ximal
[06:09] <ubotu> Ximal: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[06:09] <bastid_raZor> murlidhar: bluetooth OBEX object push client. that is the long name trying to find the apt-get for it
[06:09] <markelhas> make something like partition magic does. Create a new partition them make it the default home partition
[06:10] <joakim-> ive got a problem with setting up dual monitors... the problem seems to be with gdm not being particularly fond of xinerama.. when i set up dual x servers in nvidia-settings without xinerama it works fine, but when i enable xinerama, gdm crashes
[06:10] <joakim-> same problem when ive set it up as i want it in displayconfig-gtk
[06:10] <Ximal> ahh i can deal with it being there.. i have no errors as of this moment ;)
[06:11] <Ximal> 1.6 gigs isn't such a big deal.. lol
[06:11] <bastid_raZor> murlidhar: i have to go.. look for it on packages.ubuntu.com .. they'll be able to give you the apt-get name for it for installation.
[06:12] <vmlinuz-> ok darn i missed it now, bye bye my 50$ >_<
[06:12] <joakim-> anyone have any idea how to solve that?
[06:13] <murlidhar> k cya bastid_raZor
[06:13] <Ximal> i GIVE UP lol
[06:13] <Ximal> to tired to care
[06:13] <Ximal> about the partition that is..
[06:13] <Ximal> i hope things work out for vmlinuz : m8 goodluck
[06:14] <soul9> murlidhar, what did you do for it to work?
[06:15] <murlidhar> oh i just added ro splash vga=773
[06:15] <murlidhar> soul9: ^
[06:15] <murlidhar> instead of splash vga=773 quiet
[06:15] <lee__> LiMaO thislinks is for you..http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/news.html it is where I finally wound up last night
[06:16] <soul9> murlidhar, quiet should be there :-/
[06:16] <soul9> strange
[06:16] <lee__> Ihope it helps
[06:16] <soul9> okay, well, that's that
[06:16] <lee__> Oh and yes it is still running everything fine no breaks yet
[06:16] <flavia> hi, tux racer extreme is not in the repos right? :)
[06:17] <murlidhar> soul9: well i dunno  i removed it and it works wonderfully
[06:18] <murlidhar> :)
[06:18] <soul9> ok, cool
[06:18] <soul9> :-)
[06:18] <lee__> eh how do I regest peeps?
[06:18] <lee__> eh hold that thuaght brb
[06:20] <vmlinuz-> what other program you guys told me that i can watch broadcast with, was it winamp?
[06:23] <bur[n] er> vmlinuz-: what broadcast?
[06:24] <vmlinuz-> there is a match going in the US right now and i bought an online streaming video to watch it online LIVE. its here. https://www.onthenetsports.com/viewer.asp
[06:24] <vmlinuz-> the match is running as we speak, and i can't view it with firefox/ubuntu
[06:24] <sleepynate> grr. wouldn't even boot with the radeon 9800 :D
[06:28] <vmlinuz-> running it from IE form linux right now and i get this error
[06:28] <kritzstapf> vmlinuz-, theres an asp error
[06:28] <vmlinuz-> error '80020009'
[06:28] <vmlinuz-> /viewer.asp, line 57
[06:28] <vmlinuz-> :(
[06:28] <kritzstapf> its a serverside error
[06:28] <vmlinuz-> kritzstapf: but in windows it run
[06:28] <vmlinuz-> my friends are watching it now
[06:28] <kritzstapf> maybe asp wasnt bad when they started to watch
[06:31] <vmlinuz-> its a linux side problem, it just worked now for my friend.. In this sec i'm with him in the phone
[06:32] <bur[n] er> vmlinuz-: that's crap.. it doesn't work here
[06:32] <vmlinuz-> :(
[06:32] <bur[n] er> i'd bet it's not a "linux" problem but moreso a "firefox" problem
[06:32] <vmlinuz-> yep
[06:32] <bur[n] er> and moreso a "shitty coders who use asp" problem :)
[06:32] <vmlinuz-> I agree
[06:32] <vmlinuz-> first match is over now
[06:32] <vmlinuz-> of the event
[06:33] <vmlinuz-> and i missed it.. /sad
[06:33] <murlidhar> vmlinuz-: which match?
[06:33] <vmlinuz-> I bought whole event tho. I hope i get it work soon.. I also emailed the billiard club network company about this
[06:33] <RivaeAerya> Guys, it was upgrading, and then it asked me to remove packages, and then it crashed.... and now what do i do? my pc hasn't rebooted, hasn't removed those packages, and all that stuff
[06:33] <vmlinuz-> murlidhar: pool tournoment in united states. US open champion
[06:33] <vmlinuz-> 9ball tournoment
[06:33] <sleepynate> anybody ever seen a "too many open files while copying /med...." error?
[06:34] <murlidhar> oh ok i feel sorry that u missed the match
[06:34] <RivaeAerya> Guys, it was upgrading, and then it asked me to remove packages, and then it crashed.... and now what do i do? my pc hasn't rebooted, hasn't removed those packages, and all that stuff
[06:35] <murlidhar> RivaeAerya: that is what happens when u use ur applications while upgradation :(
[06:35] <RivaeAerya> murlidhar: i closed all of em
[06:35] <RivaeAerya> murlidhar: but kde was still running
[06:35] <RivaeAerya> so how do i fix this?
[06:36] <murlidhar>  i dunno i am a noob
[06:36] <RivaeAerya> anyone?
[06:36] <RivaeAerya> Guys, it was upgrading to Kubuntu Gutsy, and then it asked me to remove packages, and then it crashed.... and now what do i do? my pc hasn't rebooted, hasn't removed those packages, and all that stuff
[06:37] <bur[n] er> RivaeAerya: first things first, get it to boot... try the recovery kernel?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> !repeat | RivaeAerya
[06:37] <ubotu> RivaeAerya: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[06:37] <Hobbsee> RivaeAerya: start the upgrade again, it should continue.
[06:37] <RivaeAerya> bur[n] er: i'm chatting right now on the pc that has been almost upgraded
[06:37] <vmlinuz-> # Internet Explorer 6.0+. Please note that our movies do not work in Mozilla, Safari and other browsers.
[06:37] <vmlinuz-> thats one of their rules
[06:37] <vmlinuz->  /sigh
[06:38] <vmlinuz-> # Latest .net framework installed
[06:38] <vmlinuz-> # Latest DirectX installed
[06:38] <bur[n] er> vmlinuz-: write an angry letter!
[06:38] <bur[n] er> RivaeAerya: what happens when you "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
[06:38] <vmlinuz-> I did install internet explorer 6.0 tho. using wine and it gives me an error
[06:38] <Ximal> or install a virtual machine and run windows millenium on it ;)
[06:38] <vmlinuz-> virtual machine, Ximal will that take long?
[06:38] <bur[n] er> IE6 via wine doesn't do directX still
[06:38] <Ximal> when u run vmware/winMe then u can bootup the prog for those things
[06:39] <bur[n] er> er... s/directX/ActiveX
[06:39] <Ximal> yeah it sure will... u gotta run windows setup
[06:39] <Ximal> lol
[06:39] <RivaeAerya> Pakketlijsten worden ingelezen... Klaar
[06:39] <RivaeAerya> Pakketlijsten worden ingelezen... Klaar
[06:39] <RivaeAerya> Boom van vereisten wordt opgebouwd
[06:39] <RivaeAerya> Reading state information... Klaar
[06:39] <RivaeAerya> Opwaardering wordt doorgerekend... Klaar
[06:39] <RivaeAerya> 0 pakketten opgewaardeerd, 0 pakketten nieuw genstalleerd, 0 te verwijderen en 0 niet opgewaardeerd.
[06:39] <RivaeAerya> it says there's nothing to install, nothing to remove, and nothing to update
[06:40] <Ximal> do sudo apt-get install update
[06:40] <Ximal> see if it gives you updates then ;)
[06:40] <RivaeAerya> Ximal: yeah already did that
[06:40] <Ximal> ouch
[06:40] <Ximal> what;s the issue i missed ? pls
[06:40] <RivaeAerya> Guys, it was upgrading to Kubuntu Gutsy, and then it asked me to remove packages, and then it crashed.... and now what do i do? my pc hasn't rebooted, hasn't removed those packages, and all that stuff
[06:40] <RivaeAerya> (that)
[06:40] <bur[n] er> sudo apt-get autoremove
[06:40] <Ximal> ok
[06:41] <Ximal> yeah.. next step is autoremove lol
[06:41] <bur[n] er> RivaeAerya: it doesn't sound like you have any problems
[06:41] <Ximal> wait.. it crashed..
[06:41] <RivaeAerya> ooh it has much to autoremove
[06:41] <RivaeAerya> should i continue?
[06:41] <Ximal> are u cross installing bit platforms
[06:41] <Ximal> from 64 to 32 upgrade and vice versa ?
[06:41] <RivaeAerya> Ximal: no
[06:41] <RivaeAerya> Ximal: no
[06:41] <Ximal> hmm so ur matching cd's of 386 to 386 pentium .. etc
[06:42] <RivaeAerya> i'm upgrading via the GUI (adept)
[06:42] <Ximal> hmm
[06:42] <Hobbsee> RivaeAerya: what did i tell you about repeating?
[06:42] <Ximal> crashed as in ? went black. restarted ? killsignaled unexpectedly ?
[06:42] <RivaeAerya> Hobbsee: Ximal wanted to see what i said
[06:43] <Hobbsee> RivaeAerya: no, dont autoremove everything.  install kubuntu-desktop, and go from there.
[06:43] <RivaeAerya> [18:40]  <Ximal> what;s the issue i missed ? pls
[06:43] <RivaeAerya> [18:40]  <-- RoboticTao heeft deze server verlaten. Client Quit.
[06:43] <RivaeAerya> [18:40]  <RivaeAerya> Guys, it was upgrading to Kubuntu Gutsy, and then it asked me to remove packages, and then it crashed.... and now what do i do? my pc hasn't rebooted, hasn't removed those packages, and all that stuff
[06:43] <RivaeAerya> kubuntu-desktop is reeds de nieuwste versie.
[06:43] <RivaeAerya> De volgende pakketten werden automatisch genstalleerd en zijn niet langer nodig:
[06:43] <Ximal> i don't understand dutche m8..
[06:43] <RivaeAerya> (kubuntu-desktop is at the newest version. The following packets are installed and no longer needed:)
[06:44] <Ximal> hmm
[06:44] <RivaeAerya> (and then a very long list of packets)
[06:44] <Ximal> are u using synaptics to install the packs ?
[06:44] <RivaeAerya> Ximal: i was using adept but then it crashed
[06:44] <Hobbsee> RivaeAerya: depending on what they are, you're probably OK to remove them.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> Ximal: on kde?  very unlikely
[06:44] <Hobbsee> Ximal: besides, those are apt errors
[06:44] <RivaeAerya> Hobbsee: alright, let me explain exactly what happened
[06:44] <Ximal> im still learning too ;) i thought i'd try to understand..
[06:45] <RivaeAerya> it was installing all the upgrades, and then after a while when at 64%, it said it was done and said to me that it wanted to clean up unnecesary packages. So i clicked OK, then was when it crashed
[06:45] <RivaeAerya> it stayed on my screen for a while though
[06:45] <Ximal> riv : start again... and don't let it clean em ;)
[06:45] <Ximal> then do it manually ?
[06:46] <RivaeAerya> Hobbsee: so how do i fix that?
[06:46] <Hobbsee> remove the empty packages, if they're OK to remove
[06:47] <Hobbsee> er, unneeded packages, not emtpy packages
[06:48] <Evanlec> sudo apt-get autoremove
[06:48] <RivaeAerya> well there's things like python in it, and libquicktime0, and... let me pastebin it: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/40635/
[06:48] <nemik> does anyone with a t61 keep getting freezing when resuming from suspend?
[06:48] <RivaeAerya> is it okay to remove that?
[06:49] <lee98632> ok meesa back
[06:49] <lee98632> eh how do i register?
[06:49] <RivaeAerya> Hobbsee: is it okay to remove this?: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/40635/
[06:50] <lee98632> hu?
[06:50] <Hobbsee> RivaeAerya: looks fine
[06:50] <RivaeAerya> Hobbsee: k
[06:50] <RivaeAerya> Hobbsee: what do i do after that?
[06:51] <lee98632> eh any one here running KDE ?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> reboot?
[06:51] <RivaeAerya> Hobbsee: (and why did it jump to 100% when it was at 64%?)
[06:51] <Hobbsee> !register | lee98632
[06:51] <ubotu> lee98632: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[06:51] <Hobbsee> RivaeAerya: because it had finished?  i dont know
[06:51] <RivaeAerya> Hobbsee: ok
[06:52] <lee98632> register lee98632
[06:52] <lee98632> ok
[06:53] <atlfalcons866> how do i remove ubuntu
[06:53] <atlfalcons866> #kubuntu
[06:54] <lee98632> eh do i include the  <your-password> or just key in? my pw?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> lee98632: the latter
[06:55] <lee98632> ok
[06:56] <lee98632> oh cool that fixed that lol
[06:56] <Stopa9> hi there, how can i connect to internet in kubuntu gutsy RC without using knetworkmanager (its not working right now), IP is supposed to be set on automatic (wired connection)
[06:57] <lee98632> is LiMaO here  os it just his name lol
[06:57] <Lerris1> fyi: minor bug.  It seems disabling gdm in services actually kills gdm right then, which destroys X.
[06:57] <LiMaO> lee98632: i'm here, wassup
[06:58] <RivaeAerya> Upgrade succeeded! How do i set all the kde theme settings to the kubuntu default? (like icons, colorscheme, widget style..)
[06:58] <lee98632> heehee i finally figured the restration thing out
[06:59] <RivaeAerya> anyone?
[06:59] <RivaeAerya> Hobbsee?
[07:00] <RivaeAerya> okay, bye Hobbsee
[07:02] <bur[n] er> can anyone help me set the gdm resolution?  My KDM is fine, but gdm insists on using 4:3, but when I login to gnome, it gets back to 1440x900.
[07:03] <Lerris1> my personal opinion is graphical logins are more trouble than they are worth..  using it without one only requires "startx"
[07:04] <vmlinuz-> linux need some love from companies and producters
[07:04] <vmlinuz-> or maybe linux people need to create a directX for linux >_<
[07:05] <Hobbsee> vmlinuz-: what, opengl?
[07:05] <Lerris1> I tend to assume directX is hugely patent encumbered.
[07:05] <Lerris1> so even if you had the entire api, and could do it, it would be illegal
[07:05] <vmlinuz-> Hobbsee: didn't work for me. Can't view the broadcast i bought still. and im so upset tbh
[07:05] <hylje> wine has most of directx done
[07:06] <Lerris1> interesting
[07:06] <Lerris1> without using windows files/license?
[07:06] <hylje> yes
[07:08] <_dan_> tracker is using 50% cpu time all the time
[07:08] <_dan_> is that normal?
[07:09] <Lerris1> 50% cpu almost sounds like one thread flat out on a 2 core system
[07:09] <_dan_> true
[07:09] <_dan_> what good is tracker for anyway?
[07:09] <_dan_> which apps use its db?
[07:10] <Lerris1> no idea, i had half assumed you were running a bit torrent tracker
[07:10] <_dan_> no
[07:10] <_dan_> its tracker which runs in background
[07:11] <Lerris1> it looks like it is scanning files to provide metadata for searching
[07:11] <Lerris1> i suspect you could kill it without bringing down anything
[07:12] <Lerris1> Out of curiosity does anyone have Sata DVD burning running, particularly with amd64 and nforce4?
[07:13] <_dan_> yes, i amk just wondering what iit is good for, which apps use it
[07:13] <_dan_> Lerris1 i got sata dvdburner, no amd64 nor nforce
[07:13] <Lerris1> http://linux.die.net/man/1/trackerd  (found via google)
[07:13] <Lerris1> hmm..
[07:13] <Evanlec> !info tracker
[07:13] <ubotu> tracker: metadata database, indexer and search tool. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.3-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 270 kB, installed size 1640 kB
[07:13] <Evanlec> trackerd is an indexing service
[07:14] <Evanlec> allows u to use that quick-search thingie on the top panel i believe
[07:14] <Evanlec> vista has a similar thing
[07:14] <awalton__> it also ties into gtk+'s file save/load dialogs
[07:14] <awalton__> it's beagle rewritten in C, or Spotlight for GNOME
[07:14] <awalton__> (basically)
[07:15] <Lerris1> similar to locates database scanning thing which bugged me enough to remove it
[07:15] <Lerris1> the important bit is probably to make it work when your not using your pc
[07:15] <Evanlec> yea
[07:15] <Evanlec> thats how it should work by default
[07:15] <_dan_> !info visual
[07:15] <ubotu> Package visual does not exist in gutsy
[07:16] <Lerris1> i'm betting it is my sata drivers.. since just trying to read a disk i burned with knoppix crashed the system
[07:16] <Evanlec> but i find that windows vista is indexing my drive constantly and its extremely annoying
[07:16] <Lerris1> or some linked part like scsi, etc
[07:16] <_dan_> !info gnome-at-visual
[07:16] <ubotu> Package gnome-at-visual does not exist in gutsy
[07:17] <_dan_> gnome-at-visual	<-- wonder what that is good for
[07:17] <_dan_> gutsy autoruns it
[07:17] <Lerris1> i tried a 2.6.23 kernal i made using my previous gentoo .config, and it failed to, so maybe I'll try the same kernel version I last ran on gentoo.
[07:17] <RivaeAerya> What are the default icons, colorscheme, and other artwork for Kubuntu Gutsy?
[07:17] <Konam> _dan_ I have the same question
[07:18] <awalton__> _dan_: it's part of gnome's assistive technologies (ATs)
[07:19] <_dan_> can u be a bit mre specific, what does it do, why do i need it?
[07:19] <awalton__> magnifier, dasher, on-screen keyboard
[07:19] <awalton__> you can disable it safely if you're not in need of assistive tech
[07:20] <_dan_> oki thx
[07:20] <_dan_> does the nautilus use tracker database?
[07:21] <awalton__> yes it does
[07:21] <awalton__> it uses it for search, but that's it
[07:21] <awalton__> it's not pervasively hooked to tracker
[07:21] <davidw> does this tracker thing replace 'locate' ?
[07:21] <awalton__> yes
[07:21] <awalton__> only it's better than locate, because it lets you search within files metadata
[07:22] <Lerris1> I tend to use "find * | grep keyword" | less" or such to find files
[07:22] <Evanlec> how do i call it from the command line?
[07:22] <jamesrdorn> Using 7.10 pre-release... I seem to be having troubles with xorg.conf. Seems when I create it or edit it, Xwindows fails to start, and the failsafe screen opens and will create a xorg.conf.failsafe, however the only way to get X windows to start again is to delete xorg.conf*. What's strange is if I use the screen resolution preferences, it never writes to xorg.conf Does ubuntu use an alt config file to control xwindows prefs
[07:22] <awalton__> for example, you can search for MP3s with ID3 tags in tracker.
[07:22] <Lerris1> if you start in the right base directory it isn't too bad
[07:22] <_dan_> locate is still run daily
[07:22] <Hobbsee> Lerris1: um...ew?
[07:22] <_dan_> so u gt both
[07:22] <Evanlec> running locate from cli will use the tracker db?
[07:22] <Hobbsee> Lerris1: what happened to grep foo * ?
[07:22] <awalton__> no
[07:22] <awalton__> locate uses its own database
[07:22] <_dan_> Evanlec i doubt it
[07:22] <Hobbsee> then less that?
[07:23] <Lerris1> that recurses
[07:23] <Lerris1> and just scans filenames
[07:23] <Evanlec> right
[07:23] <Hobbsee> it only recurses if you tell it to
[07:23] <Lerris1> find automatically recurses
[07:23] <Evanlec> so im asking how to call this new search function from command line
[07:23] <Hobbsee> Lerris1: oh, you're only looking for it to do the filenames.
[07:23] <awalton__> tracker-search
[07:23] <Hobbsee> Lerris1: grep has a -R option, for recursive.
[07:23] <Lerris1> true
[07:23] <Lerris1> different purpose though
[07:24] <Hobbsee> didnt realise it was file names only
[07:24] <Evanlec> what doe recursive mean exactly?
[07:24] <awalton__> it descends directories
[07:24] <Evanlec> awalton__, thx
[07:24] <Lerris1> technically that is probably a better term descends
[07:24] <Evanlec> oh, does locate do that by default?
[07:24] <Lerris1> locate uses a database
[07:24] <Lerris1> find does it manually
[07:24] <Evanlec> i c
[07:24] <jamesrdorn> Anyone know what file controls xwindows config in ubuntu 7.10?
[07:25] <Evanlec> how often does locate update its db by default?
[07:25] <Lerris1> "   /etc/X11/xorg.conf  "
[07:26] <penguin42> Evanlec: Every night I think
[07:26] <jamesrdorn> Lerris1: that's what I thought, but my system will boot fine without it
[07:26] <awalton__> Evanlec, I honestly have no idea, but I'd assume there's a cron-job set somewhere that does it daily
[07:26] <Lerris1> i'd assume X is automagically picking defaults
[07:26] <jamesrdorn> Lerris1: if I use nvidia-xconfig, windows failes to start
[07:26] <Lerris1> unless ubuntu is doing something odd.  i'm new to it
[07:26] <jamesrdorn> Lerris1: if I use the screen resolution pref, it never writes to xorg.conf
[07:26] <tesko> new to it and you're using gutsy?
[07:27] <jamesrdorn> man this is buggin me
[07:27] <Lerris1> well, perhaps that was unwise, but ah well
[07:27] <Lerris1> i'm not new to linux though.. been using gentoo for years
[07:27] <Evanlec> yea, i'd imagine
[07:27] <tesko> oh ok
[07:27] <borovy3488> can anyone help with broken sound??
[07:27] <tesko> what made you switch to ubuntu?
[07:28] <Evanlec> jamesrdorn, run it as root
[07:28] <Lerris1> to be honest i haven't entirely commited to not switching back
[07:28] <jamesrdorn> Evanlec: you have to, there is no way to write to it without at least using sudo
[07:28] <Lerris1> but the irritation with gentoo is the compile times when your in a hurry
[07:28] <tesko> borovy3488, got alsa running?
[07:28] <WindowSmasher> Hi all.  I'm having trouble with my brightness keys on my keyboard
[07:28] <Evanlec> jamesrdorn, yea, i know i had the same issue
[07:28] <Lerris1> now that i've figured out how to manually do some things in ubuntu it will probably be fine
[07:28] <WindowSmasher> Any suggestions?
[07:28] <borovy3488> tesko: whats alsa?  My sound was working great until I deleted my old account and made a new one.
[07:29] <Evanlec> !alsa
[07:29] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[07:29] <penguin42> Lerris1: Rebuilding .deb's if you want to do something special is actually quite easy on Ubuntu, so if you do want something special you can do
[07:29] <borovy3488> tesko: and also, I can't even get to the users and groups or hardly anything in the admin tab
[07:29] <Lerris1> ya, i just have to resist the temptation to switch back for awhile when i hit stuff i know i could fix on gentoo
[07:29] <Lerris1> (while i learn a few things)
[07:29] <jamesrdorn> what's strange is the screen res prefs do not write to xorg.conf, but if I go into the restricted drivers database and unselect or select my nvidia card, it gives me an error about xorg not being valid
[07:29] <WindowSmasher> Screen brightness buttons on the keyboard... anyone?
[07:30] <tesko> borovy3488, that one's over my head sorry
[07:30] <borovy3488> tesko: I can't even double click on it, it says no volume control GStreamer plugins
[07:30] <jamesrdorn> WindowSmasher: what laptop do you have?
[07:30] <WindowSmasher> Dell 6400/E1505
[07:30] <|nero|> hey
[07:30] <Lerris1> one nitpick i do have on gusty though is it should have more nvidia drivers to select from
[07:31] <mc44> Lerris1: more?
[07:31] <Lerris1> since not all nvidia binaries work
[07:31] <|nero|> can anyone tell how i can install gutsyRC1 over my feisty edition
[07:31] <Lerris1> well stably
[07:31] <WindowSmasher> I got lucky, my nvidia drivers work great
[07:31] <WindowSmasher> I thought they had a motherload to cchoose from now
[07:31] <tesko> borovy3488, i dont know then
[07:32] <borovy3488> can anyone help me?? I am freaking out, this is my only user and I can't do anything with them
[07:32] <tesko> |nero|, switch your apt-get sources to gutsy
[07:32] <Evanlec> |nero|, i just did it by resizing my feisty partition in the installer, that way i still have all my data, but i have a "clean" install
[07:32] <jamesrdorn> Well the Nvidia drivers worked great here until I installed a new kernel
[07:32] <|nero|> and then it will install everything i need?
[07:32] <weltall> the brightness button of my laptop are recognised automatically by ubuntu and they are set to a gnome function which manages brigthness. but as those keys are managed also in hw gnome and the computer itself are like "conflicting" there is a way to disable the hw functionality trough the linux kernel and leave only the gnome management which is better? (there is nothing in the bios)
[07:32] <|nero|> just do apt-get update?
[07:32] <tesko> it should.. am i right guys?
[07:32] <mc44> jamesrdorn: you used the drivers directly from nvidias site?
[07:32] <Evanlec> yea he can do a dist-upgrade
[07:32] <Lerris1> gentoo has 1.0.7185 .. 9639, 14 09, 14.11, 14.19 (on this older portage snapshot)
[07:33] <|nero|> with apt-get update?
[07:33] <|nero|> and before that apt-getr upgrade
[07:33] <jamesrdorn> mc44: after the new kernel jacked the built in restricted drivers
[07:33] <Evanlec> |nero|, i think u do need to change your repositories to gutsy tho...not sure as i havent tried the upgrade method
[07:34] <Evanlec> while we're on topic of nvidia driver, how new is the one in restricted drivers (gutsy) ?
[07:34] <jamesrdorn> nero, per ubuntu's site "sudo update-manager -d"
[07:34] <tesko> borovy3488, try running alsa as root, you can do this from console, or getting an alsa gui
[07:34] <jamesrdorn> then click on install for new distrobution
[07:34] <Lerris1> 100.14.19
[07:34] <borovy3488> ok
[07:35] <Evanlec> Lerris1, is that the newest one?
[07:35] <Lerris1> i think so
[07:35] <Evanlec> sounds like it
[07:35] <jamesrdorn> maybe if I just reinstall the restricted nvidia driver, things will be peachy
[07:35] <tesko> have you read the manual page for alsa borovy3488 ?
[07:35] <Lerris1> it is not 100% stable on my system, but not too bad either
[07:35] <|nero|> ahh nice thx
[07:35] <borovy3488> i'm on it right now tesko
[07:36] <tesko> i've only had one problem on my gutsy install, pidgin froze on me. no big deal though
[07:36] <Lerris1> i may go back to a kernel i can get 1.0-8776 to run.  that was rock solid
[07:36] <|nero|> jamesdorn: does it change therepositories automatically?
[07:36] <jamesrdorn> nero, yes it does
[07:36] <|nero|> kelw
[07:36] <Evanlec> Lerris1, you're using a vanilla custom kernel?
[07:37] <|nero|> wow 980 packages have to be updated
[07:37] <jamesrdorn> nero, it's going to take you a few hours
[07:37] <Lerris1> well i tried 2.6.23 to solve the sata burning issue, but it didn't
[07:37] <Evanlec> |nero|, about 600mb on average...
[07:37] <|nero|> i have seen it
[07:37] <tesko> yep nero, thems the breaks, lets hope this way works
[07:37] <Lerris1> atm i'm running the ubuntu one, for lack of a reason not to
[07:37] <|nero|> dl with 600k
[07:38] <Evanlec> not likely to get full speed right now, gutsy repos getting hammered
[07:38] <nanuk> someone who knows how to fix the fbconsole bug
[07:38] <tesko> i tried updating to gutsy manually a week or two ago and it messed my system up
[07:38] <Evanlec> Lerris1, same here
[07:38] <seanh> Any way to stop gutsy from dimming my laptop screen after a few second inactivity? I've turned it off in the Power Management prefs but it still does it. It seems to be compiz (doesn't happen with metacity) but I don't find any compiz option for it, even in the advanced compiz settings. Thanks
[07:38] <|nero|> i will chang my sstem to gutsy after the finale is released sp i can test it now
[07:38] <Lerris1> it looks like i was using 2.6.20.6 in gentoo last
[07:38] <Lerris1> (yea for backing up your previous installation ;)
[07:39] <jamesrdorn> seanh: check your laptops bios for power management settings
[07:40] <WindowSmasher> If anyone comes up with anything, while I'm still searching, as to why my brightness keys don't work, please pm me
[07:40] <jamesrdorn> dangit, I am going to figure this out, I swear
[07:41] <RivaeAerya> How do i set the KDE artwork back to normal (the Kubuntu defaults) without deleting all my settings that i still need?
[07:44] <BlueParrot> hi all, I'm trying to use xfce and the gnumeric help option gives me an error saying ghelp:gnumeric is an invalid URL, but I can find the manual if I do a search in gnome-help, do I miss a package or something ?
[07:48] <seanh> jamesrdorn -- I'll take a look next time I boot. I don't think that's it though, cause the dimming only happens when compiz is on, and didn't happen at all in feisty
[07:49] <Evanlec> whats the apt-get cmd to get the compiz-fusion settings manager thing?
[07:50] <Ominous> is there a guide on xgl and gusty?
[07:51] <vbgunz> how do I learn about the compiz effects available to me in gutsy?
[07:51] <vbgunz> I really like the scale plugin and with all effects enabled, I do not know how to access it. is there something I can read about the effects in gutsy?
[07:52] <bur[n] er> vbgunz: run ccsm
[07:53] <MarcN> on Gutsy, I'm starting f-spot and seeing messages "Starting new FSpot server\nCan't get a connection to the dbus. Trying again..." over and over and no window starting up.  Ideas?
[07:53] <MarcN> f-spot has been working fine until recently.
[07:53] <Ominous> is there a guide on how to install xgl on gusty?
[07:54] <bur[n] er> vbgunz: if you don't have it... apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[07:55] <vbgunz> bur[n] er: thank you, I don't have it, i will try and get it
[07:57] <vbgunz> bur[n] er: ok downloading.... curious, why does this thing not ship by default?
[07:57] <borovy3488> OK, so I think that my only user is not an admin user
[07:57] <borovy3488> how do I fix this??
[07:58] <bur[n] er> vbgunz: got me... simplicity's sake?  i dunno... i'm not a release manager of any sorts, just a user like you
[07:58] <nanuk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/129910
[07:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in initramfs-tools "tty[1-6]  are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [Critical,Triaged] 
[07:58] <nanuk> will you get this fixed
[08:00] <vbgunz> bur[n] er: I don't think the app is what I am after... what I mean is, how do I figure out the shortcuts, keys to press, where to mouse click, to actually work in some effect? I don't see a manual and though I have effects for some simple everyday things, they're not enhancing my experience like i believe they should... how do I use it, thats my question?
[08:00] <borovy3488> does anyone know how to create a new account that is admin, if there is no admin user?
[08:01] <vbgunz> I remember the scale plugin from a long time ago, I believe in dapper or edgy, that was a great plugin.
[08:01] <SDugas> Does anyone know why when I "Enable Desktop Effects" I lose window decoration, I tried installing emerald after and still no luck
[08:02] <nanuk> sudo su
[08:02] <hetauma> !mouse
[08:02] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[08:03] <RivaeAerya> what's the default iconset of Kubuntu Gutsy?
[08:05] <cyclonut> has anyone had any experience with the crappiness of network-manager in gutsy?
[08:06] <bur[n] er> nope
[08:06] <cyclonut> humm
[08:06] <bur[n] er> RivaeAerya: crystal
[08:06] <BlueParrot> hmmm
[08:07] <RivaeAerya> bur[n] er: which one?
[08:07] <RivaeAerya> bur[n] er: don't you like Crystal Project either?
[08:07] <cyclonut> if I try to change AP's, it craps out. if I standby and come back, it craps out
[08:07] <bur[n] er> uhh... there's more than one crystal icon theme?
[08:07] <cyclonut> basically, it doesnt work.
[08:07] <RivaeAerya> bur[n] er: www.kde-look.org and then icons
[08:07] <RivaeAerya> then sort by rating
[08:07] <BlueParrot> hmmm
[08:08] <BlueParrot> ok, basically, the help for gnumeric is broken
[08:08] <BlueParrot> on Xubuntu , Gutsy
[08:09] <BlueParrot> I've installed gnumeric-doc and yelp can view the manual fine, but trying to start it by using the help menu in gnumeric it complains about "ghelp:gnumeric" being an invalid url
[08:09] <bur[n] er> RivaeAerya: there is one "official" crystal
[08:09] <RivaeAerya> bur[n] er: nope, they're all by the same maker
[08:10] <vbgunz> thats wild. I have no idea how to use compiz... basically, I can use it when I move, minimize and maximize a window, but have no idea how to really use it. why in the world no docs ship with gtusy explaining how to use compiz?
[08:13] <BlueParrot> vbgunz: a) still in beta, b) there probably is a package if you just install it, try compiz-doc or something like that
[08:13] <SDugas> compiz doesn't load window decoration (min,max,close,etc.) for me :/ I can't seem to fix it.
[08:13] <vbgunz> apps should not ship without docs :/
[08:14] <BlueParrot> SDugas: windows decorations are drawn by emerald, iirc
[08:14] <SDugas> I had to install Emerald, but still no luck
[08:14] <san|> is there a way to getr higher resolutions with the open source ati drivers then 1024x786?
[08:14] <BlueParrot> hmm, is it running as well ?
[08:14] <san|> 768 even
[08:15] <BlueParrot> SDugas: try running emerald in a terminal and see what error you get
[08:15] <SDugas>  Could not acquire decoration manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
[08:15] <BlueParrot> oooh, fun
[08:16] <BlueParrot> no clue how to fix it I'm afraid
[08:16] <SDugas> :/
[08:16] <SDugas> nuts
[08:16] <nanuk> anyone who knows how to fis this
[08:16] <nanuk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/129910
[08:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in initramfs-tools "tty[1-6]  are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [Critical,Triaged] 
[08:18] <BlueParrot> ngggnnnn, help system depends on firefox ...
[08:18] <vbgunz> hmmm, thanks to ccsm, when something is enabled, it has an actions tab that shows the binding to the effect
[08:19] <FOAD> Hey.
[08:19] <FOAD> "Thanks" to Gutsy, I now have to run an older kernel than the most recent one, but that means the nvidia driver is out of wack.  How can I get nvidia driver that works with the kernel I have to use?
[08:21] <nanuk> www.nvidia.com
[08:21] <nanuk> ;)
[08:21] <BlueParrot> FOAD, I don't knwo exactly what is wrong for you, but you could try to compile a driver from source ... of course, NVIDIA proprietary drivers can be a bit dodgy, and Gutsy is still in beta, so no guarantees it will work ...
[08:22] <nanuk> hi parrot
[08:22] <nanuk> i need a fbconsole
[08:23] <BlueParrot> nanuk: an fbwhatsthatnow ?
[08:23] <nanuk> to compile the nvidia drivers
[08:23] <FOAD> BlueParrot: what is wrong for me is that the kernel from Gutsy keeps spewing Bad block number requested messages at me and won't get to X.
[08:23] <nanuk> strg alt f1 console
[08:23] <FOAD> I'm not a big fan of compiling stuff from source and all that, guess I'll use nv for now.
[08:23] <nanuk> its you a blank screen
[08:24] <nanuk> ok
[08:24] <nanuk> so i wait the 4 days
[08:24] <nanuk> ;)
[08:24] <BlueParrot> uhm, I should probably point out I'm not a developer or anything...
[08:24] <BlueParrot> And I have no clue what you ar etalking about :P
[08:24] <stefg> nanik, taht's a known bug... gutsy kernel breaks tty's in nonstandard resos
[08:25] <nanuk> if i want to get on the strg f1 console
[08:25] <nanuk> ok
[08:25] <nanuk> will it get fixed
[08:25] <stefg> nanuk: boot without framebuffer (vga=XXX),  fbcon is broken
[08:26] <nanuk> so i can use the nvidia driver
[08:26] <stefg> nanuk: doesn't seem like it yet
[08:27] <nanuk> if i boot without it the nvidia driver works???
[08:27] <stefg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/129910
[08:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in initramfs-tools "tty[1-6]  are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [Critical,Triaged] 
[08:27] <nanuk> yes i know
[08:27] <nanuk> so no work around
[08:29] <stefg> nanuk: restricted manager conflicts with self compiled nvidia driver. use nvidia-glx-(new)
[08:29] <FOAD> Anyhow, this bulletproof X seems to work, but where does it keep its settings?  Apparently not in xorg.conf?  So 1) can I make X try and listen to xorg.conf again and 2) where does bulletproof put its stuff?
[08:30] <nanuk> first frame buffer mess off
[08:30] <nanuk> then i take nvidia-glx-new drivers
[08:31] <nanuk> k
[08:31] <kartpusher05> hey all.... i was wondering if there is a way to change my default file browser in GNOME. I downloaded dolphin so i could have a thumbnail view for file uploads
[08:31] <silent> I like how gutsy doesnt remind you billions of times that you're running proprietary drivers
[08:31] <silent> no glaring pci card in the corner of the screen
[08:32] <FOAD> I like how Gutsy doesn't work for me --- no wait I don't.
[08:32] <silent> FOAD, ouch
[08:32] <gunashekar> hmm maybe the card will appear in the release
[08:32] <silent> gunashekar, hope not... I do hope they patch my kernel source bug by then though
[08:32] <silent> sound would be super
[08:32] <FOAD> Yes, I am very disappointed.
[08:33] <gunashekar> yea sound is a problem indeed
[08:33] <nanuk> *g*
[08:33] <silent> they have 4 days
[08:33] <gunashekar> wonder how many people have sound problems?
[08:34] <kartpusher05> ANYONE how do you change the default file browser in GNOME???
[08:34] <nanuk> i upgraded from feisty today
[08:35] <FOAD> _Sound_ works for me.
[08:35] <gunashekar> great , not for me though
[08:35] <nanuk> i thougth 4 days everthing must be running
[08:35] <nanuk> ;)
[08:35] <savvas> gunashekar: cat /proc/asound/cards
[08:35] <savvas> !paste | gunashekar
[08:35] <ubotu> gunashekar: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:35] <gunashekar> ok i will
[08:36] <kartpusher05> anybody?
[08:37] <savvas> gunashekar: :) also this: lspci
[08:37] <vmlinuz-> I'm running ies4linux and whenever I go to the website "https://www.onthenetsports.com/viewer.asp" That has a streaming video live which i bought. My IE Crash & hangs up in a sec. I ran it into a terminal to see the error that cause the crash and here it is, can somebody help me out? error here. http://pastebin.com/mbb9cf23
[08:38] <foug> with 7.10, do i have the option of importing folders over?
[08:39] <savvas> importing folders from where?
[08:39] <gunashekar> savvas: I found the file /proc/asound/cards which is a blank file : my card though is a Intel HDA , Conexant (venice)
[08:39] <underwatercow> is there a reason that there are two Desktop icons in the Places menu?
[08:39] <savvas> gunashekar: give me the lspci output
[08:40] <balvinder> hi
[08:41] <balvinder> anyone can tll me now to upgrade to gnome 2.20 from 2.18
[08:41] <ubuntu_lover> helloe
[08:42] <tesko> are you running gutsy ubuntu_lover ?
[08:43] <tesko> 2.20 comes with gutsy rc1
[08:43] <gunashekar> savvas: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40647/
[08:44] <savvas> gunashekar: do this: sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[08:44] <savvas> gunashekar: any output?
[08:45] <gunashekar> savvas: no output
[08:47] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: run virtualbox, install windows, and use virtual windows to vieuw video
[08:47] <lee98632> HOLY COW this Word Processor got some kind of word memory in it heck I have even seen office 2007 do that
[08:47] <bur[n] er> video via vbox doesn't work
[08:47] <lee98632> waht else does this have in it?
[08:47] <bur[n] er> at least some video players
[08:47] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: When you say run virtualbox do you mean another computer? I'm not sure of what you mean. were you here 1hr ago and know my problem?
[08:47] <lee98632> hmm Id like to see soem video editing soft ware taht work lol
[08:47] <nanuk> if i dont come back it worked ;)
[08:47] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: I don't own another computer by the way. :(
[08:48] <bur[n] er> lee98632: me too!  pitivi is being worked on.. 0.11 was released today
[08:48] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: i picked up a little bit an hour ago
[08:48] <savvas> gunashekar: try play a file in totem
[08:48] <Evanlec> vmlinuz-, its virtualization...should read about it, really quite handy
[08:48] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: virtualbox is an application, check google
[08:49] <Evanlec> vmlinuz-, you're running one OS inside another, on the same machine
[08:49] <gunashekar> savvas: dont think i have that iinstalled
[08:49] <lee98632> it was when?
[08:49] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: Okay. the games are running now and I might miss all of the event reading. that why i need quick help :( just few question do i need windowsxp CD to do that? Because i don't have a winxp cd
[08:49] <savvas> gunashekar: type: totem
[08:49] <thomas_> jes you need cd
[08:49] <thomas_> or image
[08:49] <lee98632> hmm Ill have to reload it then
[08:50] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: it will at least take an hour to fully set it up though
[08:50] <savvas> gunashekar: it's "movie player" under menu applications > sound & video
[08:50] <lee98632> I load pitivi yesterday and all I got was a flash on the screen and then it was gone lol
[08:50] <gunashekar> savvas: /bin/sh: totem: not found  I will install and try
[08:50] <bur[n] er> lee98632: 0.11 is just a devel version and it's not in gutsy
[08:50] <bur[n] er> just wanted to say that it's being worked on
[08:51] <lee98632> eh evnalac was taht virtualisation directed to me lol
[08:51] <savvas> gunashekar: no need, type this: alsamixer
[08:51] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: one hour is cool if i can do it without any errors/messing around. i will be happier. seeing a bit of it better than nothing.
[08:51] <lee98632> ahh
[08:51] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: i'm now looking for an winxp CD.
[08:51] <RivaeAerya> where can i find the new desktop effects settings in ubuntu?
[08:51] <savvas> gunashekar: if it starts and application tell me
[08:51] <savvas> *and=an
[08:51] <lee98632> well I hope they get it running for the other os
[08:51] <bur[n] er> http://burner.ath.cx/Screenshot.png for example of virtualization :)
[08:51] <lee98632> Devel?
[08:51] <bur[n] er> RivaeAerya: alt+f2, ccsm...  make sure to sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[08:51] <lee98632> wait a sec
[08:52] <lee98632> then wahts it doing in my down load section
[08:52] <RivaeAerya> bur[n] er: i mean in gutsy
[08:52] <lee98632> eh i am running Kunbuntu
[08:53] <lee98632> but then I am running in 64 bit too
[08:53] <lee98632> its seems the only way to keep my drivers from wigging out
[08:53] <Evanlec> anyone recommend a good avi to dvd converter?
[08:54] <gunashekar> savvas: the mixer opens up
[08:54] <sbucatino> Evanlec: do you know the commandline ?
[08:54] <lee98632> bur[n] er any ideas why the 64 bit Kunbuntu does effect my system like gutsy 64 bit does?
[08:54] <Evanlec> sbucatino, a bit yea
[08:54] <lee98632> eh taht is doesnt
[08:54] <savvas> gunashekar: ok press Escape
[08:55] <RivaeAerya> what the heck? a new style has been installed into KDE called Serenity... is this on purpose after an upgrade to Kubuntu Gutsy?
[08:55] <savvas> gunashekar: do this: gksu gedit /etc/modules
[08:55] <Evanlec> sbucatino, actually i think i'd prefer a commandline utility
[08:55] <lee98632> Yes
[08:55] <savvas> gunashekar: type your password there
[08:55] <sbucatino> Evanlec: if you know the command line ( mecoder or ffmpeg ) you can see this : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=567016
[08:55] <savvas> gunashekar: then add in a new line this: snd-hda-intel
[08:55] <lee98632> eh wahtever taht measn lol
[08:55] <lee98632> style?
[08:55] <RivaeAerya> yeah widget style
[08:56] <savvas> gunashekar: press enter (to make a new empty line under "snd-hda-intel"), then save and exit
[08:56] <savvas> gunashekar: after that, reboot
[08:56] <RivaeAerya> lee98632: so it installs that when you upgrade?
[08:56] <lee98632> widget?
[08:56] <addos> is there anyway to install disk encryption with the regular gutsy livecd?
[08:56] <lee98632> I guess so
[08:56] <gunashekar> savvas: ok brb
[08:56] <Evanlec> sbucatino, tahts a gui app?
[08:56] <sbucatino> Evanlec: if you don t know the command line maybe can be usefull this http://atomized.org/2005/03/converting-divxxvid-avi-to-dvd-with-ffmpeg/
[08:56] <lee98632> I didn't know aobut taht until you said something
[08:56] <lee98632> wahts the pros and cons to that?
[08:56] <RivaeAerya> lee98632: you see it too?
[08:57] <sbucatino> Evanlec: yep it's a gui
[08:57] <lee98632> so wahts taht mean?
[08:57] <Evanlec> sbucatino, why u ask if i know command line then?
[08:57] <foug> with 7.10, do i have the option of importing folders over?
[08:57] <FOAD> Well I tried to compile the nvidia driver from the site but nothin' doin.
[08:57] <lee98632> Oh and it auto mounted my second HDD to
[08:58] <sbucatino> Evanlec: because if you know the commad line you can add that command line to that gui  in 2 second
[08:58] <lee98632> Evenlac, waht is it Iam looking for?
[08:58] <lee98632> I mean RivaeAerya waht is it Ima looking for
[08:58] <sbucatino> Evanlec: read the topic about multimedia converter if you like you can try it
[08:58] <bur[n] er> RivaeAerya: you get the settings?
[08:59] <Evanlec> sbucatino, mkay
[08:59] <RivaeAerya> lee98632: are you using kde?
[08:59] <lee98632> Yes
[08:59] <bur[n] er> system -> prefs -> appearance, then desktop effects
[08:59] <lee98632> tis the only one taht is stable on this pc
[08:59] <RivaeAerya> lee98632: ok, then System settings -> Appeareance -> Style
[08:59] <RivaeAerya> then look for Serenity in the dropdown
[08:59] <lee98632> Ok just a sec
[09:00] <TheRepacker> FOAD if you don't have a Series 8 card, stay away from the latest nvidia 100.14.19 driver
[09:01] <gunashekar> savvas: rebooted as you said
[09:02] <RivaeAerya> lee98632: is it there?
[09:02] <lee98632> OOOOOOH THE allowence for minipulation of widget styels
[09:02] <lee98632> YES it is lol
[09:03] <RivaeAerya> lee98632: ah so it got installed when i upgraded
[09:03] <RivaeAerya> i like it :)
[09:03] <lee98632> Its been there all the time for me
[09:03] <savvas> gunashekar: try and play a file
[09:03] <foug> with 7.10, do i have the option of importing folders over?
[09:03] <lee98632> I reinstalled it yester day
[09:03] <gunashekar> savvas: no sound
[09:03] <savvas> gunashekar: what file are you trying to play?
[09:03] <nanuk> next problem how do i get my crypted hd back
[09:04] <nanuk> ;)
[09:04] <lee98632> Also a freind LiMaO got  java and flash running
[09:04] <nanuk> i hate this stuff
[09:04] <lee98632> on this s64 bit system
[09:04] <RivaeAerya> lee98632: but i mean is the Serenity theme there?
[09:04] <lee98632> we still have to get the one player working though
[09:04] <gunashekar> savvas: default file in amarok player
[09:04] <lee98632> oh just a sec
[09:04] <foug> anyone? can i import folders during installation?
[09:05] <savvas> gunashekar: mp3?
[09:05] <lee98632> no its not
[09:06] <ubuntu_lover> hi all
[09:06] <savvas> gunashekar: close amarok and do this in console: sudo apt-get install lame vorbis-tools flac ffmpeg liblame0 gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-gl gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse libxine1-ffmpeg libxine1-plugins
[09:06] <lee98632> Windows8x is though and a few others
[09:06] <lee98632> CDE
[09:06] <RivaeAerya> lee98632: weird
[09:06] <ubuntu_lover> i would like to know if its possilbe to upgrade to gnomw 2.20
[09:06] <ubuntu_lover> without installing gutsy
[09:06] <lee98632> wait is that the widget style?
[09:06] <RivaeAerya> lee98632: Serenity is a widget style
[09:07] <lee98632> Hmm then nopers it not in here
[09:07] <RivaeAerya> weird
[09:07] <RivaeAerya> you using Gutsy?
[09:07] <lee98632> why did it say it was supose to be there?
[09:07] <foug> anyone? can i import folders during installation?
[09:07] <balvinder_> no rivae im using 7.10
[09:07] <lee98632> this thing just auto corrected my spelling lol
[09:07] <savvas> gunashekar: when it's done, please paste the output in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:07] <lee98632> tahts a new feature
[09:07] <lee98632> well, its trying to at least lol
[09:08] <FOAD> TheRepacker: mine is series 7.
[09:08] <lee98632> Is the 64 bit version different then the 32 bit?
[09:08] <ubuntu_lover> hi all
[09:08] <ubuntu_lover> is it possilbe to upgrade to gnome 2.20
[09:08] <FOAD> After I tried the script from the nvidia site, "nvidia" completely disappeared as an option.
[09:08] <ubuntu_lover> on 7.10
[09:09] <RivaeAerya> lee98632: what program are you using to chat here?
[09:09] <foug> SOMEONE PLEASE, can i import folders during installation to save files?
[09:09] <lee98632> and is the wideget thing the same princable as a widgt that is on the intert that plays video and such?
[09:09] <hamas> hey, can you have a background for each desktop?
[09:09] <lee98632> oh easy
[09:09] <lee98632> 3
[09:09] <TheRepacker> Foas then use the 9639 driver, I have sprent ubtold hours trying to get rid of the junk that 14.10 installs, I have all the eye candy with 9639
[09:09] <lee98632> x chat genome
[09:09] <TheRepacker> I have Series 7
[09:10] <ubuntu_lover> hi all
[09:10] <ubuntu_lover> is anyone there..
[09:10] <lee98632> and I can run several others
[09:10] <lee98632> the one with the orangish x too
[09:10] <FOAD> TheRepacker: thank you, I'll try that.
[09:10] <lee98632> Oh X chat IRC
[09:10] <foug> anyone? can i import folders during installation?
[09:10] <hamas> foug, sure
[09:11] <lee98632> I havnt tried the ne that came with the system yet though
[09:11] <gunashekar> savvas: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40651/
[09:11] <lee98632> jsut a sec Ill brbl
[09:11] <hamas> foug, you just need to save them in the TARGET partition or a separate partition
[09:11] <foug> hamas: so, yes? Is there a size limit on folders I can import? I have about 5GB of stuff I need to save and have no way of putting it on an external drive or burning it to a CD.
[09:11] <TheRepacker> I did try 9641 but I think I still had 100.14 residure, it might work also, BTW 100.14 has a resesive error for older cards
[09:12] <foug> hamas: hmm, there's not an option during installation? The files are in the /home/user/
[09:12] <savvas> gunashekar: ok great, now try and play an mp3 file or one of your audio files
[09:12] <lee__> Ok iam on the K IRC chat now and wow
[09:12] <lee__> that was easy to use
[09:13] <hamas> foug, you cant import files from the same partition
[09:13] <hamas> foug, you install on
[09:13] <gunashekar> savvas: no sound , i tried a song on kaffeine as well as amarok
[09:14] <lee__> ok the systems version comes with tabs on the bottom and when some one sends a program a tab opens up at the bottom of the screen
[09:14] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: you still there bro?
[09:14] <savvas> gunashekar: you're on kubuntu?
[09:15] <lee__> the topic area is rather nice becasue it highlighted the guts thing right away
[09:15] <gunashekar> savvas: yes kubunty gutsy
[09:15] <lee__> on the plus side I can keep better track of people as it is in color lol for everyone
[09:15] <savvas> gunashekar: try this: cat /proc/asound/cards
[09:15] <savvas> gunashekar: any output?
[09:15] <thread> hello !
[09:16] <lee__> evanlec you thre
[09:16] <Evanlec> lee__, ya whatsup
[09:16] <thread> I have some weirdness going on... wondering if someone could help me out
[09:16] <thread> I just installed gutsy the other day
[09:16] <vmlinuz-> is there virtualbox app for guTSy?
[09:16] <lee__> I chagned over to the ssytems IRC
[09:16] <lee__> Kcaht IRC
[09:17] <thread> and synaptic is telling me that my linux-headers version is 2.6.22-14-generic, yet I seem to get 2.6.22.9 headers when I install it
[09:17] <gunashekar> savvas:  0 [Intel          ] : HDA-Intel - HDA Intel     HDA Intel at 0xd8240000 irq 22
[09:17] <lee__> wahts a virtual ap box?
[09:17] <savvas> gunashekar: ok try this: sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base
[09:17] <vmlinuz-> savvas: have you used virtualbox in gutsy before?
[09:17] <thread> I even tried installing linux-source (2.6.22-14.43) and when I decompress linux-source-2.6.22 and run make menuconfig in there, it's 2.6.22.9 !
[09:17] <savvas> vmlinuz-: yeah, it works :)
[09:18] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: it should work fine
[09:18] <lee__> man i see all theses issues and count my lucky stars
[09:18] <thomas_> whats the problem with virtualbox?
[09:18] <lee__> Why am i si stable?
[09:18] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: do i need to download http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads? or just install it from "sudo apt-get install virtualbox" or both are the same?
[09:18] <thomas_> compare the versions
[09:19] <akincer> Anyone here having problems with displayconfig-gtk like I am? It doesn't configure dual display correctly for nvidia gfx 5200
[09:19] <savvas> vmlinuz-: apt-cache policy virtualbox
[09:19] <thomas_> but most easy way is at-get
[09:19] <savvas> vmlinuz-: if that command gives you the same version as in the site, then you can just apt-get it
[09:19] <vmlinuz-> savvas: yeah the same, 1.5.0
[09:20] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: Okay I got virtualbox installed and i have my winxp cd. I'll go throw the stuff on the website
[09:20] <thomas_> its very easy
[09:20] <vmlinuz-> is there anything i should becareful of in the partitioning? I'm so confused never done this before
[09:20] <akincer> I filed bug 152677 on this problem
[09:20] <ubotu> Bug 152677 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/152677 is private
[09:20] <nanuk> the monkey hates me :(
[09:20] <gunashekar> savvas: it stopped at  Setting up alsa-base (1.0.14-1ubuntu2) ...
[09:20] <savvas> vmlinuz-: mouseover the link of your arch, i386 or amd64, it will show at the status bar the last numbers in the version
[09:21] <savvas> gunashekar: does it show "gunashekar@Repo:~$" under it ?
[09:21] <gunashekar> savvas: no the console window header says finished
[09:22] <savvas> hm..
[09:22] <savvas> weird
[09:22] <savvas> gunashekar: close the window and try again
[09:22] <savvas> in a new one
[09:22] <lee__> eh what is Virtual box?
[09:23] <savvas> lee__: the box of doom!
[09:23] <Evanlec> lee__, similar to vmware
[09:23] <savvas> same as pandora's :p
[09:23] <lee__> that is lol
[09:23] <thomas_> lee__: google virtualbox
[09:23] <vmlinuz-> Save and reboot your system. Once logged in, start Virtualbox from the menu.
[09:23] <vmlinuz-> do i need to fully reboot, or just X restart?
[09:23] <TheRepacker> Lee_: it's wine on steroids
[09:23] <lee__> oooooo ok
[09:23] <thomas_> fully I suppose
[09:24] <savvas> vmlinuz-: you have to add your user in the virtualbox group
[09:24] <thomas_> although I don't remember doing that
[09:24] <thread> Does that make sense to anybody? synaptic tells me linux-source-2.6.22 is version 2.6.22-14.43, but make menuconfig in the dir after extracting it has v2.6.22.9 at the top
[09:24] <lee__> eh brb
[09:24] <vmlinuz-> savvas: I've done that now
[09:24] <thomas_> savvas: vmlinuz- it does that automatically
[09:24] <thread> The same thing seems to be happening for linux-headers, but I'm not sure how to tell what version I have from the files
[09:24] <savvas> vmlinuz-: ah, then you can simply logout/login :)
[09:24] <savvas> thomas_: it didn't for me :\
[09:25] <thomas_> strange
[09:25] <thomas_> did you apt-get ?
[09:25] <savvas> no
[09:25] <savvas> ah that must be it
[09:25] <thomas_> i guess so
[09:25] <vmlinuz-> savvas: I went to users settings then click on manage groups then go to vboxusers and properties then i check on my Username. is that right? or anything more i need to do?
[09:26] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: no you're fine
[09:26] <vmlinuz-> savvas: do i need to change group ID
[09:26] <thomas_> nonon
[09:26] <thomas_> nono
[09:26] <thomas_> just logout
[09:26] <vmlinuz-> ok
[09:26] <savvas> vmlinuz-: thomas_ said it :)
[09:26] <vmlinuz-> ok brb
[09:26] <gunashekar> savvas: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40652/
[09:26] <savvas> gunashekar: how's it going?
[09:26] <savvas> ah
[09:27] <savvas> gunashekar: give me the output of: asoundconf list
[09:27] <vmlinuz-> back. I restarted X :)
[09:27] <jetole> ~quit
[09:27] <vmlinuz-> oops I've lost the tutorials site >_<
[09:27] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: go to konsole and do "vbox"
[09:28] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: ok
[09:28] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: http://pastebin.com/m9b3d4c7
[09:28] <gunashekar> savvas: Names of available sound cards:  Intel
[09:28] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: do you mean virtualbox cause thats the command to run it
[09:29] <savvas> gunashekar: try this: asoundconf is-active
[09:30] <lee__> boy i sure like tabs lol
[09:30] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: yeah VirtualBox, my mistake
[09:31] <gunashekar> savvas: blank
[09:31] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: now you have to mount the image with virtualbox
[09:31] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: np, I'm going throw the tutorials now. ill come here if i have problem.. wait pls sir
[09:31] <thomas_> ok ok
[09:31] <lee__> WOW...
[09:32] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: ok my cd is inside now. im going throw wizard & naming my new OS etc wait
[09:32] <savvas> gunashekar: in amarok, does it show that the file is playing but there is no sound? does kde have volume control or something? try check the stuff there, maybe it's mute or something
[09:32] <lee__> well oopsed and down loaded but i guess it did run lol...i guess iam safe
[09:32] <gunashekar> savvas: yes it shows the sound is playing
[09:32] <lee__> so no doomy for me lol
[09:33] <gunashekar> savvas: volume control is workistill no soundng , kept it at 100%
[09:33] <lee__> oh i have a questin...do we need to periodically restart out sytems?
[09:33] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: in the step where it ask me "Boot Hard Disk (Primary Master)" what do i choose pls
[09:33] <savvas> gunashekar: something must be blocking it, try mute other devices in volume control
[09:33] <thomas_> lee__: shut up
[09:33] <lee__> like what we have to do in i won't say the word
[09:33] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: 1 sec
[09:34] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: http://www.blog.arun-prabha.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/virtualbox5.png
[09:34] <thomas_> ah, you have to make a new one
[09:34] <thomas_> a virtual one
[09:34] <thomas_> hit new button and follow instructions
[09:35] <hamas> gunashekar, edit -> preference -> select all controls and unmute all and turn all up
[09:35] <vmlinuz-> ok
[09:35] <savvas> vmlinuz-: have you read their manual? http://www.virtualbox.org/download/UserManual.pdf
[09:35] <hamas> gunashekar, volume controls can on some boards be misleading and incorrect
[09:35] <borovy3488> I think the only user on my computer has been switched to a non-admin user.  Any ideas on how to fix that?
[09:35] <thomas_> savvas: lol 173 pages :p
[09:36] <gunashekar> savvas: the only other device is MIDI device and MIDI mapper on my control panel
[09:36] <vmlinuz-> savvas: nop havnt
[09:36] <savvas> thomas_: knowledge is power \m/ :p
[09:36] <hamas> gunashekar,  in the mixer+
[09:36] <savvas> they explain everything there
[09:36] <vmlinuz-> savvas: i have matchup starting up soon, i rly need to done this quick so i cant read alot.. i paid 50 bucks to see this event online in steaming video, so im already wasting money missing few matches
[09:36] <thomas_> yeah true, but you need a whole day before you get through that
[09:36] <thomas_> :p
[09:37] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: no worries, we are right here to help ;-)
[09:37] <savvas> gunashekar: play around with the volume control preferences, I've no idea how it looks like in KDE, I helped a user 2 days ago with the same commands and it worked for him
[09:37] <gunashekar> savvas: trying
[09:38] <hamas> does anyone know why the emerald-themes package is broken/gone?
[09:38] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: thanks man
[09:38] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: btw, don't forget to complain at the company where you bought this online video, to make their site open for other browsers
[09:38] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: ok
[09:39] <thomas_> hamas: no idea, I noticed that to
[09:39] <hamas> vmlinuz-, tried to install the ubuntu-restricted-extras and/or mplayer firefox plugin?
[09:39] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: im trying to figure out how many free space i got in the system as a whole so i can give virtualbox like a 2gig or something you think its enough?
[09:39] <gunashekar> savvas: I filed a bug report on alsa : they advice to install the latest HG(mercurial) drivers : can download that but dunnno how to install
[09:39] <vmlinuz-> hamas: yep didn't work
[09:40] <hamas> vmlinuz-, the mplayer plugin usually works :/
[09:40] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: I always used kdiskfree before, but now I don't have it, anything similier to check my system free space in gnome?
[09:40] <sj1> Intel 845G problems...
[09:40] <vmlinuz-> hamas: it won't for this check it out yourself. https://www.onthenetsports.com/viewer.asp
[09:40] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: make it automatically resizable(i forgot how they call it) and max something like 2-3 gb will work
[09:41] <savvas> gunashekar: no idea :\ sorry
[09:41] <hamas> vmlinuz-, asp error?
[09:41] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: im here. http://www.blog.arun-prabha.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/virtualbox7.png
[09:41] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: yep, dynamically
[09:41] <vmlinuz-> hamas: yep, and when i tried & installed ies4linux program with its all plugins and everything, i even got a dll files from my friend and put it in my /drive_c/system etc. and now whenever i go to this website with my IE it hangs/crash.
[09:41] <gunashekar> savvas:  there is a KMIX , sound mixer, the output devices on it are Master, PCM, Digital , Ext Mic, and Int mic
[09:41] <savvas> gunashekar: have you tried this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[09:42] <gunashekar> savvas: looking it up
[09:42] <hamas> vmlinuz-, that sucks
[09:42] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: in the dynamically it gives it 10gig, its too much isnt it
[09:42] <vmlinuz-> hamas: yeah. >_<
[09:42] <hamas> vmlinuz-, btw wont windows need more then 2gb?
[09:42] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: doesn't mather
[09:42] <sj1> 1 - Not detected properly - had to change to  "Intel - experimental mode-setting", 2 - Black screen while booting - instead of progress stuff, 3 - Fonts crazy large in CntlAltF1 etc textmode...
[09:42] <borovy3488> my sound works when I boot up ubuntu.  Like, i get all the log in effects.  Then, once logged in, the sound no longer works.  I'm getting the GStreamer error message
[09:42] <borovy3488> any ideas?
[09:42] <vmlinuz-> hamas: I'm not sure. not a windows fan but installing it in virtualbox as we speak. giving it 9gigs now hope it's good
[09:43] <hamas> vmlinuz-, the dynamic image grows as you install things in it
[09:43] <gunashekar> savvas: thanks the instructions are clear on that page : will try upgrading the alsa drivers and try
[09:43] <vmlinuz-> okay. so that 9gig i gave to virtualbox now I will not be able to use any of it for my ubuntu correct?
[09:43] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: anyway, the parition will only take up the space that it really uses, and expands dynamically
[09:43] <savvas> gunashekar: I hope it works :)
[09:43] <sj1> I miss being able to go to textmode, but am unsure where to begin resolve this one...
[09:43] <hamas> vmlinuz-, nope
[09:44] <gunashekar> savvas: will inform you if you are around by then
[09:44] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: you will be fine
[09:44] <stefg> sj1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/129910
[09:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in initramfs-tools "tty[1-6]  are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [Critical,Triaged] 
[09:44] <hamas> vmlinuz-, you can set it to be 2tb big, it only uses the the space you install in it
[09:44] <vmlinuz-> okay
[09:44] <vmlinuz-> im now finished installing it
[09:44] <thomas_> hamas: why are you repeating what I just said?
[09:44] <vmlinuz-> I think time to put my winxp cd & start installing
[09:45] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: have fun :p
[09:45] <hamas> thomas_, didnt see it, sorry
[09:45] <borovy3488> does anyone know why i would be getting sound, then the system say that I don't have sound?
[09:46] <borovy3488> and no longer have sound
[09:46] <WorkingOnWise> Does anyone get a chrtp as Ubuntu is booting, about 30% into the progress bar?
[09:47] <LiMaO> oh dang. unable to run 64bit guests using virtualbox
[09:47] <Evanlec> yep, 32bit only
[09:47] <Evanlec> esp for windows
[09:48] <vmlinuz-> good lord. i clicked start and at first step i got error -_-
[09:48] <thomas_> lol yep, the true nature of windows
[09:48] <savvas> gunashekar: ok
[09:49] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: what error?
[09:49] <gunashekar> savvas: I got stuck at the first step installing the required tools with the Message : Media Change : please insert the disc labeled 'Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release Candidate i386 (20071010.1)' in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[09:49] <nanuk> cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/hda5 dev/mapper/...
[09:49] <nanuk> Command failed: Can't get device information.
[09:49] <gunashekar> : i upgraded to gutsy online
[09:50] <nanuk> where is my partition
[09:50] <nanuk> damit
[09:50] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: http://shell.lomag.net/~org/Screenshot-2.png
[09:50] <thomas_> gunashekar: generate a decent souces.list http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[09:51] <gunashekar> thomas_: ok
[09:51] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: do what they say, execute the init.d thing
[09:51] <_dan_> nanuk as root?
[09:51] <nanuk> yes
[09:52] <nanuk> its gone
[09:52] <vmlinuz-> k
[09:52] <_dan_> fdisk -l /dev/hda nanul and paste output
[09:52] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: i thought they need me to run virtualbox as root as in "sudo virtualbox"
[09:53] <thomas_> try it
[09:53] <Aishiko> it it's asking for an install disc and you don't have one, remove the CD as a repo source in  your sources list.
[09:53] <thomas_> i don't know for sure
[09:53] <nanuk> nothing
[09:53] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: there is no. /etc/init.d/boxdrv - in my system
[09:53] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: hmm
[09:53] <thomas_> thats strange
[09:54] <thomas_> and you installed through apt-gte
[09:54] <thomas_> get*
[09:54] <Aishiko> say when does Gusty go Live?
[09:54] <thomas_> Aishiko: live as in live-cd, it already does
[09:54] <wrede> Hi! Since upgrade to Gutsy my laptop (Thinkpad X31) is no longer talking to my external monitor. Any ideas?
[09:55] <thomas_> wrede: set up your gfx card propperly
[09:55] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: reinstall virtualbox, choose to install the kernel module
[09:55] <Aishiko> thomas_: no as in it leaves beta and becomes stable
[09:55] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: do you think i should install "virtualbox-ose-module-2.6.22" ?
[09:55] <wrede> thomas_: I think it is setup correctly. It was before. I have not touched anything
[09:56] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: It didn't ask me the first time if i want to install kernel module
[09:56] <thomas_> Aishiko: then you mean final,  and that will be the 18th
[09:56] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: how are you installing it?
[09:56] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: I already have virtualbox, do you think I gotta install virtualbox-ose-module-2.6.22 is that what it needs?
[09:56] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: im installing it like that "sudo apt-get install virtualbox"
[09:56] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: try the module
[09:56] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: get the .deb from here http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[09:57] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: i was there. there is no gutsy one
[09:57] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: do what LiMaOsyas
[09:57] <thomas_> take feisty
[09:57] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: get feisty one.. it'll work for gutsy
[09:57] <vmlinuz-> ok
[09:57] <LiMaO> and if it looks ugly, i have a fix for that
[09:57] <LiMaO> i mean, huge fonts and stuff
[09:58] <LiMaO> be sure to uninstall the one you have installed using apt-get
[09:58] <thomas_> LiMaO: it's deb so it will replace automatically not?
[09:58] <_dan_> nanuk no partition at all or didnt find the device?
[09:58] <vmlinuz-> i just did "apt-get remove virtualbox"
[09:59] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: yeah, that is safer
[09:59] <vmlinuz-> now downloading the fiesty virtualbox .deb
[09:59] <LiMaO> thomas_: i like playing on the safe side =P
[09:59] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: ok
[09:59] <vmlinuz-> almost done 50%
[09:59] <amr> hi any one help me with a problem in gusty rc1
[09:59] <thomas_> LiMaO: yeah, not that it's a problem, just it doesn't really mather :p
[09:59] <LiMaO> vmlinuz, when you right click it and choose install, pay attention to the details, cause it'll tell everything
[10:00] <vmlinuz-> damn the upcoming match is Earl stricland vs shane. i hope i dont miss this one >_<
[10:00] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: okay
[10:00] <thomas_> wrede: be sure to check that nothing changed during upgarde, put /etc/x11/xorg.conf in pastebin
[10:00] <nanuk> no partition at all
[10:01] <borovy3488> There was an error writing to the disc:
[10:01] <borovy3488> The recorder could not be accessed.
[10:01] <borovy3488> Any ideas on how to fix this?  Trying to burn to a dvd
[10:02] <vmlinuz-> k cool, looks like module now installed too
[10:02] <thomas_> borovy3488: using k3b?
[10:02] <vmlinuz->  * Starting VirtualBox kernel module vboxdrv                                                                                                          [ OK ] 
[10:02] <vmlinuz-> Starting VirtualBox host networking...done.
[10:02] <amr> the title bar font and the user and password font are so big that distort my themes , i tried change the DPI but no hope , i am having GMA of intel and a wide screen laptop fujitsu 1280x800
[10:02] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: nice :)
[10:02] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: do i have to run "sudo virtualbox" or just "virtualbox" in terminal to install my OS
[10:02] <borovy3488> thomas_: i used k32b to make the iso, but not to burn it.  Just clicking write to disk
[10:02] <LiMaO> just use it from the menu.. Applications > System > Virtual
[10:02] <Amaranth> amr: Disable compiz
[10:03] <LiMaO> no need to run it as root
[10:03] <thomas_> borovy3488: use k3b to burn it
[10:03] <clusty> wonder why i can't enable the playbar in gmplayer
[10:03] <LiMaO> but vmlinuz-, you may have to change some permissions, in order for usb to work
[10:03] <amr> Amaranth, that fixes my theme but not username and password font
[10:03] <vmlinuz-> ok the cool thing is. I have my WinXP Creation there :) It didn't disappear
[10:03] <clusty> the mplayer ppl blamed ubuntu binary
[10:03] <vmlinuz-> I just have to click "Start" now
[10:03] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: are you getting huge fonts?
[10:03] <Amaranth> amr: they're both the same issue, they ignore GNOME's DPI setting and use the one from the X server
[10:03] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: it keeps the config files
[10:03] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: nop its normal
[10:04] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: great
[10:04] <borovy3488> thomas_: k3b wont recognize that there even is a drive!! All i want to do is backup some files because the gutsy install messed with everything.  I was going to do the entire install over again
[10:04] <amr> ok how to configure it from Xserver
[10:04] <vmlinuz-> but interesting thing tho. the innotek Virtualbox "I have the same WinXP I created earlier" Okay? But now i click on "Settings" It gives me an error i click OK and it goes to the settings normally. should i care about that error or just ignore it?
[10:04] <Amaranth> amr: if you raise GNOME's DPI until everything is that big then use smaller font sizes it'll all come out right
[10:04] <thomas_> borovy3488: hmm
[10:04] <thomas_> strange
[10:04] <Amaranth> amr: get a ruler and measure your screen
[10:05] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: change some settings, save it.. then go and revert them
[10:05] <vmlinuz-> im thinking to delete it and start from scratch
[10:05] <LiMaO> that should fix it
[10:05] <Amaranth> you have to tell X your screen's width and height in millimeters
[10:05] <borovy3488> thomas_: yea i know, hopefully the install didn't screw with the drive, cause I NEED that data
[10:05] <vmlinuz-> about audio should it be alsa or oss?
[10:05] <savvas> vmlinuz-: virtualbox will release a gutsy version when it goes final
[10:05] <amr> no it's too big that 15.4 inch screen can withstand only 10 letters
[10:05] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: alsa
[10:05] <savvas> vmlinuz-: some stuff are different, like usb I think
[10:05] <vmlinuz-> savvas: yep exactly
[10:06] <vmlinuz-> thats the error, about USB
[10:06] <Amaranth> amr: right your screen has a large DPI
[10:06] <vmlinuz-> failed to access the usb subsystem
[10:06] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: there's a fix for that usb thing, on gutsy or even feisty
[10:06] <_dan_> nanuk isnt hda your boot partition, or where do u have your root? whats mount saying? maybe it got renamed to sda
[10:06] <savvas> vmlinuz-: I get the same thing, but my usb mouse works :)
[10:06] <vmlinuz-> me too
[10:06] <nanuk> why are they called sda sdb now
[10:06] <LiMaO> vmlinuz- and savvas: let me tell you how to get usb working without errors
[10:06] <amr> no only 96 and i tried change it into 85 but no hope
[10:06] <vmlinuz-> so I just put a check not to show that error again yea?
[10:06] <nanuk> this sucks
[10:06] <savvas> LiMaO: I don't need it, vmlinuz- maybe does :P
[10:06] <nanuk> i found my partition
[10:06] <amr> dont
[10:07] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-:  open your /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules
[10:07] <vmlinuz-> oh yea
[10:07] <LiMaO> and where it says SUBSYSTEM==usb_device,                MODE=0664
[10:07] <vmlinuz-> I have read about this in the tutorials
[10:07] <vmlinuz-> 0666?
[10:07] <vmlinuz-> yea?
[10:07] <amr> i tried get the latest version of compiz but nothing
[10:07] <LiMaO> change it to SUBSYSTEM==usb_device,                MODE=0666
[10:07] <WorkingOnWise> Weeee! who knows the fix for the usb error just mentioned?! I get it too, but my vm won't even fully boot. It starts loading WinXP and just hangs...
[10:07] <LiMaO> yeah
[10:07] <Amaranth> amr: You're changing GNOME's idea of what the DPI is, not the X server's
[10:07] <vmlinuz-> okay
[10:07] <vmlinuz-> its going throw the installation now, i clicked "Start" can i do that usb thing later on?
[10:07] <Amaranth> amr: To tell the X server your DPI you have to measure your screen
[10:07] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: sure, anytime
[10:07] <vmlinuz-> awesome
[10:07] <amr> it's 15.4 inch
[10:08] <xnitex> what is the command to launch compiz config?
[10:08] <Amaranth> amr: no no
[10:08] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: just don't forget to restart udev after editing the file
[10:08] <borovy3488> thomas_: any otehr ideas?
[10:08] <LiMaO> sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart
[10:08] <vmlinuz-> ok
[10:08] <Amaranth> amr: you have to measure the width and height in millimeters
[10:08] <Amaranth> amr: 15.4" is the diagonal size
[10:08] <nanuk> thx dan
[10:08] <nanuk> cya
[10:08] <amr> ok wait a sec
[10:08] <vmlinuz-> winxp installation [running] 
[10:08] <xnitex> ?
[10:08] <vmlinuz-> it ask me to "unpartitioned space" i click ok?
[10:09] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: do whatever you would do if you were installing xp normally
[10:09] <vmlinuz-> my nightmare is partitioning these stuff. i have 4 options here, the thing is I'm afraid i mess up my ubuntu system
[10:09] <cld2> I just installed the nvidia drivers using the restricted driver manager and now gdm starts and works but gnome just shows a background and a cursor, nothing else, ctlr+alt+backspace work. any ideas?
[10:09] <vmlinuz-> format the partition using ntfs or fat system?
[10:10] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: you will never mess ubuntu with that
[10:10] <LiMaO> ntsf, quick
[10:10] <amr> 320 mm width
[10:10] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: remember that everything is being virtualized =)
[10:10] <vmlinuz-> ah ok :)
[10:10] <savvas> cld2: press alt-f2 and run this: nautilus
[10:10] <LiMaO> it won't change a single bit of your ubuntu partition at all
[10:10] <xnitex> ?????????????????????????????????????? what do i type in terminal to configure compiz/beryl in gutsy?
[10:11] <amr> 320 mm x 205mm
[10:11] <savvas> xnitex: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[10:11] <cld2> savvas: i went to the failsafe term to see if I can see what was up, let me get back to gnome and test run command
[10:11] <amr> Amaranth : 320mm x 205mm
[10:11] <xnitex> thank you savvas
[10:11] <Amaranth> amr: is it widescreen?
[10:11] <WorkingOnWise> LiMaO: you are my hero ! After I change the permissions in /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules, do I have to reboot?
[10:12] <savvas> xnitex: then from the menu system > preferences > advanced desktop effects
[10:12] <amr> Amaranth: yes
[10:12] <LiMaO> WorkingOnWise: no.. just have to restar udev
[10:12] <Amaranth> amr: what is your screen resolution?
[10:12] <lee__> eh I have a question, Ho do I down load an rpm with having th system atempting to open it automaticaly
[10:12] <LiMaO> WorkingOnWise:  sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart
[10:12] <amr> Amaranth: 1280x800
[10:12] <Amaranth> amr: ok, hang on a second
[10:12] <amr> Amaranth: 1280x800 @60hz
[10:12] <LiMaO> lee__: you do NOT download rpms.. you don't need them. you need .deb
[10:12] <LiMaO> =)
[10:12] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: btw using virtualbox is a way to run ubuntu + winxp in teh same exact second?
[10:13] <lee__> its for my PS2
[10:13] <cld2> savvas: alt-f2 isnt working, i can right click thought ;)
[10:13] <lee__> I found the soft ware fo it
[10:13] <savvas> lee__: ubuntu is debian-based, hence it uses .deb package system, you can install stuff from the menu Applications > add/remove
[10:13] <hmuller> <--- using amd64 version of Gutsy, have aide (the app) related question, is this the correct channel or do I belong elsewhere?
[10:13] <savvas> cld2: this is after feisty->gutsy upgrade?
[10:13] <lee__> What I am trying to say is that its a program for the ps2
[10:13] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: yes, exactly
[10:13] <cld2> savvas: it was a clean gutsy install
[10:13] <lee__> http://www.sony.net/Products/Linux/Download/PlayStation_BB_Navigator.html
[10:14] <lee__> this
[10:14] <borovy3488> OK, so aparently I don't have permission to access my dvd/cd burner.  Any ideas on how to gain permission???
[10:14] <cld2> I might have to new of an nvidia card, vesa was working fine
[10:14] <LiMaO> lee__: well, right click the file and choose 'save as'
[10:14] <LiMaO> and your system will not try to run it
[10:14] <lee__> oh
[10:14] <savvas> lee__: you can install rpm stuff with: alien
[10:14] <lee__> ok ty
[10:14] <Amaranth> amr: DisplaySize 520 325
[10:14] <Amaranth> amr: put that in the Monitor section in xorg.conf
[10:14] <Amaranth> amr: that should give you an X server DPI of 100
[10:15] <Amaranth> amr: which is close to GNOME's default of 96
[10:15] <WorkingOnWise> Joy Joy Joy!!! At last..Windows XP LIVES in a vm! TY LiMaO
[10:15] <savvas> cld2: hm.. I'd suggest a bug report http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[10:15] <vmlinuz-> btw is there something similier to kdiskfree in gnome?
[10:15] <LiMaO> WorkingOnWise: you're welcome =D
[10:15] <amr> so i need to change the DPI into 50 to make it looks 100 ? Amaranth:
[10:15] <cld2> savvas: ok thanks
[10:15] <lee__> besides I know that if i was try to save it or run it it could not be good lol
[10:15] <vmlinuz-> i'd like to check on my partitions & spaces I have used/or free space
[10:15] <borovy3488> GnomeBaker says that I don't have permission to access my dvd burner.  How do I get access???
[10:16] <savvas> cld2: maybe something installed creates problems, check System > Preferences > Session in fail safe (i think you can)
[10:16] <Amaranth> amr: no
[10:16] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: Applications > Acessories > Disk usage analyzer
[10:16] <Amaranth> amr: just put GNOME's DPI to 100 and then put that line on your xorg.conf Monitor section
[10:16] <Amaranth> amr: then everything will be the same size
[10:16] <amr> ok how to do it , what to do with 520x325
[10:16] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: there I have only 1 partition and nothing else. is that all it? ;p
[10:16] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: or you can System > Administration > System Monitor
[10:16] <Amaranth> amr: "DisplaySize 520 325" is a line to put in your xorg.conf
[10:17] <amr> ok m but x server ok
[10:17] <cld2> savvas: ok, ill have a look. thanks for the help
[10:17] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: click on 'scan filesystem'
[10:17] <LiMaO> but better to use System Monitor
[10:17] <LiMaO> easier to understand
[10:17] <vmlinuz-> ok
[10:17] <kRush> vmlinuz-, df -h
[10:17] <savvas> cld2: n/p, sorry I can't help with anything more :\
[10:17] <kRush> easy as that
[10:17] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: or that, if you're on a terminal =)
[10:17] <cld2> savvas: no worries :) thanks for the good ideas
[10:18] <xnitex> can i run beryl along side compiz?
[10:18] <savvas> cheers :)
[10:18] <amr> ok under<what sction
[10:18] <xnitex> or are they combined now? :\
[10:18] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: I have only /dev/sda1   directory: /     type: ext3      total: 70gb     free: 36gb
[10:18] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: so i really have everything in one partition right.. is that bad?
[10:18] <xnitex> i'd really like to use emerald still or another program to get more themed window settings?
[10:18] <borovy3488> does anyone have any ideas on how to get permission to uuse me dvd burner
[10:19] <savvas> xnitex: then install it
[10:19] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: well, it's bad for backup.. your /home should always be on a different partition..
[10:19] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: also you should have a swap
[10:19] <jerbear> is it safe to upgrade from feisty or is it better to do a clean install?
[10:19] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: always bad for my memory, i have 1gig ram memory. and I don't have swap.
[10:19] <savvas> xnitex: you have emerald and emerald-themes packages
[10:19] <vmlinuz-> i gave virtualbox 512mb of ram just now. so that keep 512mb for my ubuntu, is that ok
[10:19] <LiMaO> even with 4gb memory, a swap is not a bad idea =P
[10:19] <kRush> jerbear, upgrading worked just fine for me but YMMV
[10:20] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: actually the 192mb default for winxp install using virtualbox should be fine...
[10:20] <savvas> vmlinuz-: I don't think you'll need more than 256mb in a vm, but ok
[10:20] <LiMaO> but if you gave it more, there is no problem
[10:20] <jerbear> kRush: thanks
[10:21] <vmlinuz-> well i might run games in virtualbox later. heh
[10:21] <lee__> ok LiMaO I need an education lol..But, I just need a sight that talks about dealing with rpms
[10:21] <jerbear> what's the command to upgrade?
[10:21] <xnitex> i'd like to install them from the repo's are they already on there?
[10:21] <cld2> savvas: does failsafe gnome use the saem xorg.conf?
[10:21] <xnitex> jerbear : sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[10:21] <LiMaO> lee__: site, you mean.. not sight
[10:21] <vmlinuz-> jerbear: sudo update-manager -d
[10:21] <vmlinuz-> jerbear: that would upgrade to gutsy ok?
[10:21] <lee__> yeah
[10:21] <LiMaO> lee__: i don't know about rpms, sorry =/
[10:22] <jerbear> vmlinuz-: thanks
[10:22] <lee__> ok np Ill google it
[10:22] <savvas> cld2: I don't know how it actually works :(
[10:22] <vmlinuz-> some ppl add -c but i dont understand why
[10:23] <xnitex> yeah i have the packages and after i install them through terminal they are in preferences or administration under system i guess?
[10:23] <hmuller> I installed Aide.  Had problem with autogenerated config file.  Uninstalled application, manually deleted all remaining config files. Reinstalled Aide.  Config files were not properly reinstalled.
[10:23] <xnitex> it says emerald themes has no installation candidate?
[10:23] <hmuller> Any ideas how to reinstall the configuration files?
[10:23] <Amaranth> emerald-themes does not exist
[10:23] <jerbear> is there anything special i need to do to prepare for compiz-fusion? or will it configure itself like a new install?
[10:25] <xnitex> savvas?
[10:25] <savvas> Amaranth: I think it will exist, I type apt-cache show emerald and double tab for autocomplete.
[10:25] <Amaranth> savvas: It doesn't not exist because I didn't package it
[10:25] <Amaranth> err
[10:25] <Amaranth> -not
[10:25] <vmlinuz-> woah i was in virtualbox and couldn't mousehover outside of it. lol
[10:25] <xnitex> should i just use gcompizthemer instead?
[10:26] <savvas> Amaranth: ok :P
[10:26] <kRush> jerbear, if you didn't use fusion from third party repos or sth. similar under feisty it will just work out of the box in gutsy - you might have to install the compiz meta package and ccsm is never a bad idea
[10:26] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: I'm curious all these winxp system files where it will be in my ubuntu system, which directory?
[10:26] <xnitex> i need to know how to get the pre made non gpl and gpl themes
[10:26] <xnitex> from terminal?
[10:27] <kRush> jerbear, also desktop effect are now activated under system >> pref. >> appearance
[10:27] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: they will not be in a directory.. everything is virtualized into a single file
[10:27] <LiMaO> check out your /home/you/.virtualbox folder
[10:27] <vmlinuz-> ok
[10:28] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: installatino of winxp is not done yet tho
[10:28] <LiMaO> you man open the folder anyway
[10:28] <LiMaO> so that you see what's inside
[10:28] <Pie-rate> will the gibbon include 2.6.23 with fair scheduler?
[10:28] <LiMaO> you will not be able to access winxp files though
[10:28] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: i dont have ~/.virtualbox
[10:29] <savvas> xnitex: maybe emerald-theme-manager ?
[10:29] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: it's .VirtualBox
[10:29] <LiMaO> forgor about the capitals
[10:29] <iehova> hello everyone... just installed Gutsy RC. I installed emerald, but then a weird problem appeared in that synaptic now takes up the whole screen with no title bar or anything/ ths situation is the same with emerald uninstalled and with compiz both on and off. Everything else works fine... is this a known issue... or can anyone help?
[10:29] <iehova> I can file a bug if that's more appropriate =P
[10:29] <vmlinuz-> ah ok LiMaO
[10:30] <Powerking89670> does Gutsy still have the issue where installing two differant mp3 codecs causes the playback to be....very low quality
[10:30] <savvas> xnitex: i think you can get compiz themes from here: http://www.compiz-themes.org/
[10:30] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: whats the real usage of winxp running from virtualbox in different cases not like mine. I mean does people use it for MSn messenger or another programs or even games like running WoW or Steam with it. is that even possible for virtualbox/winxp to run WoW/CS?
[10:31] <kingrayray> i use wine for wow and cs
[10:31] <kingrayray> works great :)
[10:31] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: virtualbox does not emulate 3d applications, so running games is out of question
[10:31] <swhalen> Hello, can someone help me with dar?
[10:31] <vmlinuz-> ah okay
[10:31] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: in order to run windows applications, you just need to use wine.. i use it to run dvdshrink, photoshop
[10:32] <swhalen> i made a backup with hubackup, and need it back
[10:32] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: what if the broadcast video is a 3d video. can i still view it?
[10:32] <phaidros> I just stumbled upon mising modules in the xen kernel image. could anyone point me to doc how to build a specific module with ubuntu kernel sources, please?
[10:32] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: yes, sure
[10:32] <kingrayray> LiMaO: have you tried photoshop cs2 in wine?
[10:32] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: actually people use virtualbox to try new OS's..
[10:32] <FFForever> how come if i mute my sound it does nothing?
[10:32] <LiMaO> kingrayray: no CS here.. i use PS7
[10:32] <kingrayray> LiMaO: me too, thats why i asked :)
[10:32] <LiMaO> kingrayray: that's the latest i have =P
[10:33] <kingrayray> i heard it works
[10:33] <kingrayray> me too
[10:33] <Assid> heya
[10:33] <phaidros> guys, this is linux channel ;)
[10:33] <LiMaO> phaidros: we're talking about wine ;)
[10:33] <LiMaO> =P
[10:33] <kingrayray> we are talking about what we can and can't do with linux :D
[10:33] <cld2> savvas: for what ever reason after I rebooted out of failsafe session regular gnome works.
[10:33] <FFForever> how about help for my nubbness?
[10:33] <phaidros> yadda yadda ..
[10:33] <kingrayray> :P
[10:33] <savvas> phaidros: maybe you need: sudo apt-get install xen-headers
[10:33] <FFForever> i mute my sound and nothing happens....
[10:33] <Assid> how goes it
[10:33] <phaidros> savvas: I have, but how to compile from within kernel-headers??
[10:33] <FFForever> sound still plays.....
[10:34] <Evanlec> anyone think cs2 really runs good in wine? i found it kind of annoying
[10:34] <vmlinuz-> FFForever: plays where? in everything?
[10:34] <FFForever> yeah everything....
[10:34] <savvas> cld2: magic :) lol, it happened to me once, maybe it just needed to load new stuff, I'm not an expert in any of those areas though :P
[10:34] <vmlinuz-> FFForever: which WM you use?
[10:34] <FFForever> i muted the mater setting..., it seems as if my "master" does nothing.....
[10:34] <FFForever> gnome :D
[10:34] <Assid> Evanlec: you dont wanna game with fast fps requirements through wine
[10:34] <Powerking89670> kingrayray: I'm gonna try and install PS CS2 on wine now, I'll let you know how it goes
[10:35] <Evanlec> Assid, im talkin about photoshop CS2
[10:35] <Assid> oh
[10:35] <Assid> :|
[10:35] <Evanlec> one of the only apps i really need thats non-native
[10:35] <vmlinuz-> FFForever: hm, do you have different mixer in your system tray or something
[10:35] <Assid> if im not mistaken photoshop cs works fine tho
[10:35] <FFForever> just the standard sound one...
[10:35] <Assid> cs2 last checked didnt
[10:35] <kingrayray> cs2 does work
[10:35] <FFForever> if i use pcm to lower the volume though that works :P
[10:35] <Evanlec> well i installed it and it "works" but...i dunno, i wasnt impressed
[10:35] <kingrayray> http://luiscosio.com/how-to-adobe-photoshop-cs2-on-ubuntu-10-steps
[10:35] <vmlinuz-> FFForever: when you mousehover over it. it says "Master" Or "Mixer" ?
[10:35] <kingrayray> :)
[10:36] <giorgos> hello i have a question. Has something be changed for nfs mount? i was able with fisty to mount my nasfiler without problems but now with gutsy gibbon i canot establish a conection
[10:36] <Evanlec> takes forever to start
[10:36] <phaidros> anyone? howto compile a specific kernel module with ubuntu sources? (a hint to documentation would be great!)
[10:36] <vmlinuz-> FFForever: ah you have external speakers, not headphones yes?
[10:36] <FFForever> i have a laptop :P
[10:36] <Amaranth> phaidros: which kernel module?
[10:36] <vmlinuz-> FFForever: ok look, right click on your master that is in the trey then go to prefences
[10:36] <Amaranth> phaidros: it should have a build system that finds the kernel headers and builds
[10:36] <savvas> phaidros did you see this? maybe you need: sudo apt-get install xen-headers
[10:37] <Amaranth> phaidros: you're trying to compile xen?
[10:37] <vmlinuz-> FFForever: and there you pick "PCM" then click close
[10:37] <FFForever> vmlinuz-, it worked on 7.04.....
[10:37] <Assid> you guys wanna know something funny
[10:37] <vmlinuz-> yea, try what im telling you now.. put on prefences in PCM, and mute see if that works
[10:37] <savvas> FFForever: have you reported it in bugs? http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[10:38] <Assid> i got quite a few guys off windows and onto kubuntu/mac
[10:38] <Assid> but im still on this
[10:38] <Assid> lol
[10:38] <phaidros> savvas, yes I have seen :)
[10:38] <FFForever> if i mute pcm yes it mutes everything....
[10:38] <FFForever> can anyone help me with my mouse bug yet?, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40596/
[10:38] <phaidros> Amaranth: I'm familiar with basic kernel compiling and so on. I just wonder how to compile just a specific module (in my case: speedstep and madwifi, both mising/broken in recent xen-image)
[10:39] <LiMaO> http://limao.homelinux.net:8080/screenshot.png  --> native linux application (google earth, flight sim mode) + wine application (dvdshrink) + vbox emulated OS (winxp)
[10:39] <Amaranth> phaidros: speedstep is replaced with acpi_cpufreq
[10:39] <Amaranth> phaidros: and madwifi is in linux-restricted-modules
[10:40] <phaidros> Amaranth: Amaranth, ah IC, but acpi_cpufreq is also not in xen kernel :(
[10:40] <vmlinuz-> lol it worked LiMaO & savvas , im in winxp with virtualbox thx
[10:40] <kingrayray> lol, LiMaO.. your bandwidth just dieees as everybody clicks it :)
[10:40] <Amaranth> phaidros: Then you need to recompile the whole kernel
[10:40] <kingrayray> nice shot though
[10:40] <Assid> LiMaO: you ned more bandwith
[10:40] <LiMaO> kingrayray: lol yeah.. not enough bandwidth here =P
[10:40] <kingrayray> hehe
[10:41] <phaidros> Amaranth: for madwifi, I have compiled alot of madwifi stuff on embedded systems, but I still wonder how to deal with retricted modules  self compiling / ubuntu packaging / managing ..
[10:41] <LiMaO> but it's a nice screenshot
[10:41] <FFForever> please help me fix my mouse lol, i am going nuts with it broken....
[10:41] <phaidros> Amaranth: whole kernel because af of acpi_cpufreq?
[10:41] <giorgos> no one ideas?
[10:41] <LiMaO> shows how powerful linux is =P
[10:41] <Amaranth> phaidros: afaik it can't be built separately
[10:41] <phaidros> Amaranth: ok, ic
[10:41] <FFForever> i mean it works..., but it goes nutz here and there....
[10:42] <FFForever> (when i use the side scrollers....)
[10:42] <phaidros> Amaranth: but madwifi should be possible, right?
[10:42] <Assid> LiMaO:  still need a long way to go tho.. we need more support for the cheap ass chinese hardware out there
[10:42] <Amaranth> phaidros: yeah
[10:42] <Amaranth> phaidros: just make sure the headers for your linux-image are installed and run madwifi's build system
[10:42] <phaidros> Amaranth: thanks :)
[10:42] <Amaranth> `make` and friends
[10:42] <LiMaO> Assid: shouldn't those 'generic' stuff be easier to run?
[10:43] <Assid> LiMaO: i tried in the middle with a webcam..
[10:43] <Assid> dont think it got to work
[10:43] <LiMaO> oh.. i had a webcam too.. i think i threw it away
[10:43] <LiMaO> webcam support on linux is not good heh
[10:43] <Assid> yeah
[10:44] <Assid> and we need better alternative im's
[10:44] <LiMaO> i like kopete
[10:44] <LiMaO> what do you use?
[10:44] <Assid> yeah its nice..
[10:44] <Assid> used to use kopete
[10:44] <FFForever> is there any im for linux with voice+web cam support?
[10:44] <Assid> right now kubuntu is only on my lappy.. desktop is back on win
[10:44] <Assid> FFForever: kopete.. or amsn..
[10:44] <amr> Amaranth : i did as you say but nothing was fixed , still the same , i think you mis-understand me as only the title bar font only is big but all other fonts are normal and if compiz had a problem to interpret the DPI from gnome why the problem solved when i add compiz --replace to session ??? that temporary fix to problem but not fixing the user and password and tends to corrupt after adding other software to startup
[10:44] <Assid> but good luck getting it working for a cheap card
[10:45] <FFForever> when did kopete and amsn add webcam support?
[10:45] <Assid> i think it should be there
[10:45] <LiMaO> FFForever: kopete has it i think
[10:45] <Assid> amsn does.. friend uses it on a mac
[10:45] <FFForever> rebooting :)
[10:45] <LiMaO> FFForever: but no webcam works flawlessly on linux
[10:45] <amr> Amaranth : i did as you say but nothing was fixed , still the same , i think you mis-understand me as only the title bar font only is big but all other fonts are normal and if compiz had a problem to interpret the DPI from gnome why the problem solved when i add compiz --replace to session ??? that temporary fix to problem but not fixing the user and password and tends to corrupt after adding other software to startup
[10:45] <Assid> compiz causes alot of issues
[10:45] <Amaranth> amr: Do not repeat yourself
[10:45] <Assid> my sis' laptop starts with a hung window all the time
[10:45] <Amaranth> amr: the problem is compiz starts before gnome-settings-daemon
[10:46] <amr> ok i 'll try to delay gnome-setting-daemon
[10:46] <Assid> also last time when i had nix on this.. i tried compiz. the fps just dropped
[10:46] <Amaranth> amr: you can't
[10:46] <Amaranth> amr: that's hardcoded in gnome-session
[10:46] <Amaranth> amr: and that only fixes compiz
[10:46] <vmlinuz-> directx 9.0c is that the latest?
[10:47] <Amaranth> vmlinuz-: no, directx10 is the latest
[10:47] <LiMaO> Assid: i'm on feitsy 64bit.. but still keeping those compiz desktop effects off
[10:47] <LiMaO> they do not work with wine applications
[10:47] <LiMaO> such apps will display to titlebar
[10:47] <Assid> LiMaO: yeah act verrrry strange
[10:47] <vmlinuz-> Amaranth: im in winxp from virtualbox now, can i ask how to install directx & activex here? or should i go some other channel?
[10:47] <LiMaO> no titlebar*
[10:47] <Amaranth> vmlinuz-: ##windows
[10:47] <vmlinuz-> trying to make my steam video working there now, but still no luck
[10:48] <Assid> LiMaO: nah.. just maximise them.. you should be fine
[10:48] <amr> ok is reinstallling latest version of compiz will fix
[10:48] <Amaranth> amr: no
[10:48] <Assid> LiMaO: ive had that happen to me with openoffice too
[10:48] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: i don't think directx will be available.. as i told you, everything is virtualized, including your video card...
[10:48] <Amaranth> amr: i gave you the fix
[10:48] <Amaranth> amr: what i told you to do should have set your X server DPI to 100
[10:48] <amr> i tried it but didn't fix
[10:48] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: oh. so the steaming video will not work in the virtualbox > winxp too? >_<
[10:49] <Amaranth> amr: did it change anything?
[10:49] <phaidros> Amaranth: just to make sure, when I take the recent xen .config, use it and do make-kpkg I should end up with the same kernelconfig as the precompiled one, right?
[10:49] <Assid> next thing is . ive seen quicktime act very odd when visiting sites that use quicktime
[10:49] <Amaranth> phaidros: err, sure why not
[10:49] <phaidros> so to say, the same kernel ..
[10:49] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: what streaming video are you willing to watch? you may not even need winxp for that
[10:49] <amr> changed the whole screen but the problem in title bar still
[10:49] <Assid> like if im using in browser playback
[10:49] <Amaranth> phaidros: err, sure why not
[10:49] <Amaranth> oops
[10:49] <Amaranth> amr: did it change anything?
[10:49] <phaidros> Amaranth: ok, I never got used to *buntu's way to handle kernels so far :)
[10:49] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: you're the one wanting to watch that pool games?
[10:49] <LiMaO> those*
[10:49] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: i do need i think. https://www.onthenetsports.com/viewer.asp
[10:49] <amr> Amaranth : all screenn but the problem with title bar still
[10:49] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: yea
[10:50] <Amaranth> amr: Read my question again
[10:50] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: well, you don't need directx for that, do you?
[10:50] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: but its not free. I bought to watch the whole event there. and i couldnt view it in linux/firefox
[10:50] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: just try loading the site.. whatever is needed should be installed automatically
[10:50] <ISS_Student> I installed jre and can't do java -jar <filename> can anybody help me with ths?
[10:50] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: no other way to watch it. I keep getting errors. i tried every single way from linux, didnt work
[10:50] <Amaranth> amr: Did anything different happen when you added that line or does everything look exactly the same?
[10:50] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: didn't work bro
[10:51] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: what happened?
[10:51] <amr> the screen resolution changed to bigger value
[10:51] <amr> and not for widescree
[10:51] <Amaranth> amr: I guess I can't help then
[10:51] <amr> ok thnx
[10:51] <vmlinuz-> one of the requirments that i have winxp & latest directx and framework
[10:51] <Amaranth> amr: Err, sounds like you changed your screen resolution
[10:51] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: then try installing directx
[10:51] <LiMaO> see what happens
[10:51] <Amaranth> amr: did you just add that line to your Monitor section or did you change other numbers?
[10:52] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: will not work. i try it all
[10:52] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: go to the page i gave you and you'll know
[10:52] <cld2> is it possible to tell what driver im using when X is actually running? I know this sounds stupid but I think im using vesa even though xorg.conf says nvidia. thanks
[10:53] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: it requires that file too. InstallUniDownloadPack3.exe
[10:57] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: i get this error when i try to load that page
[10:57] <Powerking89670> kingrayray: The only problem I am having with my CS2 installer is that it wont let me input a serial number; I'm planning on entering it later, just letting you know
[10:57] <LiMaO> error '80020009'
[10:57] <LiMaO> /viewer.asp, line 57
[10:57] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: yep thats what I get too.
[10:57] <vmlinuz-> in windows it work fine. and you will watch games :)
[10:58] <vmlinuz-> but hey in virtualbox & winxp it worked ;)
[10:58] <LiMaO> that's a problem with the page, isn't it?
[10:58] <kingrayray> Powerking89670: i haven't tried it yet, i just found that it is possible hehe
[10:58] <vmlinuz-> nop. not with the page. it just run in my brothers laptop and now it did with winxp in virtualbox
[10:58] <Powerking89670> kingrayray: good! because I hate boting into my Virtual Machine to use it because its SLOW in the VM
[10:58] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: oh ok
[10:59] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: btw, there's this page aswell https://www.onthenetsports.com/help.php
[10:59] <LiMaO> that has a link to something that should be downloaded
[11:00] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: yep I read that already long ago, and he download is only for windows system. Not for linux
[11:01] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: but you can download and install it on your virtualized xp
[11:01] <LiMaO> you are running xp on a virtualbox, aren't you? that's an xp. you can download stuff with it and install them
[11:02] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: what's still not working?
[11:02] <cld2> if I have nvidia with the restricted driver do I have to enable aiglx in xorg.conf or is it on by default?
[11:02] <thomas_> cld2: have a look and find out ^^
[11:03] <usser> cld2: its on by default
[11:03] <usser> cld2: but still check for compozite extension option in xorg
[11:05] <cld2> thomas_, usser : thanks. this is all new to me, ive been using wmii a mouseless no frills wm for over 3 years. Ive missed all this fancy 3d desktop stuff. just starting to think it might be the way to go now with all the ways to view your open windows/programs.
[11:06] <thomas_> cld2: yeah, it's all quite cool, the fancy 3D stuff, but i find it rather useless :p
[11:06] <cld2> thomas_: most of it yes, but super+tab is nice
[11:06] <cld2> as are the expose like effects
[11:07] <thomas_> cld2: just give me kde sith multiple desktops and i'll be fine
[11:07] <CheeseGardener> Does anyone know how to get emerland theme manager to work with gutsy?
[11:07] <usser> zoom is useful too
[11:07] <thomas_> CheeseGardener: it looks like it isn't supported anymore
[11:07] <usser> CheeseGardener: hm compiz+emerald
[11:07] <thomas_> usser: i have good eyes
[11:08] <CheeseGardener> usser, what's that?
[11:08] <thomas_> oh dear
[11:08] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: thanks everything is working well :) I'm watching the steam video from virtualbox & winxp right now hehe
[11:08] <vmlinuz-> its live. ;) missed couple of matches tho but its all good now
[11:08] <usser> thomas_: well i use for full-screen youtube videos and such cause youtubes own fullscreen sucks
[11:08] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: ah nice
[11:08] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: have fun now and watch till your eyes peel out
[11:08] <thomas_> :p
[11:08] <usser> CheeseGardener: are u using compiz?
[11:09] <CheeseGardener> I'm in Gutsy right now.  So it's got compiz fusion built in.
[11:09] <usser> CheeseGardener: so install emerald and compiz will use it instead of metacity
[11:10] <CheeseGardener> it's not though.
[11:10] <CheeseGardener> Compiz fusion uses the "appearance" menu now
[11:10] <usser> CheeseGardener: did u do compiz --replace?
[11:10] <CheeseGardener> Metacity is built in
[11:10] <CheeseGardener> ?
[11:10] <CheeseGardener> no... what's that?
[11:11] <usser> CheeseGardener: ok u have emerald installed right?
[11:11] <CheeseGardener> yes
[11:11] <usser> CheeseGardener: and compiz is running right now?
[11:11] <CheeseGardener> Um... I think so yes.
[11:11] <CheeseGardener> the effects are on so
[11:11] <CheeseGardener> compiz fusion is on
[11:11] <usser> CheeseGardener: ok alt+f2 type in ccsm
[11:11] <usser> CheeseGardener: find window decoration plugin
[11:12] <ISS_Student> Anybody know if there is a problem with RC and boot splash Mine isn't working
[11:12] <usser> CheeseGardener: and under command put emerald
[11:12] <CheeseGardener> I'm looking
[11:12] <usser> ISS_Student: mine is distorted too, i just turned it off
[11:12] <CheeseGardener> gtk-window-decorator --sync
[11:12] <pvl1> ubuntu wont mount my ipod anyone help?
[11:13] <CheeseGardener> what do I change that to?
[11:13] <usser> CheeseGardener: emerald
[11:14] <vmlinuz-> wow i gave way too many ram to my virtualbox winxp I think. I feel my linux is going slowly now. can i adjust that and lower the ram for winxp now?
[11:14] <CheeseGardener> it's not doing anything.
[11:14] <CheeseGardener> it still looks the same.
[11:15] <silent> where is the recycling bin in root?
[11:15] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: yes
[11:15] <xnitex> i have the same issue cheesegardner with trying to theme my window decorations using "compiz themes" that are all .emerald files
[11:15] <thomas_> vmlinuz-: in the vmware setting of your xp installation
[11:15] <xnitex> it doesn't change
[11:16] <vmlinuz-> thomas_: ok
[11:16] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: but stop the system before adjusting it (turn off xp i mean)
[11:17] <vmlinuz-> how do i do that? Just mouse click on "X" ?
[11:17] <CheeseGardener> I got it work
[11:17] <xnitex> what did you do cheese?
[11:17] <xnitex> cheesegardener: ?
[11:17] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: click on start, turn off computer
[11:17] <vmlinuz-> oh ok
[11:17] <LiMaO> from inside your virtualized xp
[11:17] <pvl1> ubuntu wont automount my iPod, does anyone know why this would happen
[11:17] <LiMaO> it works just like a normal xp
[11:17] <CheeseGardener> the key is to disable effects in appearance, then when you put in emerald under the window decorate preferences renable the visual effects to "custom" after.
[11:17] <CheeseGardener> if you don't turn the effects all the way off, it can't reload the window manager
[11:18] <noah__> Has anyone tried Ekiga after the last week's updates in Gutsy? I can't get it to work anymore. No audio, GUI hangs, random crashes on incoming calls, can't answer incoming calls, ..
[11:18] <Snuxoll> Gutsy's new X hates my monitor....keeps forcing it into widescreen resolutions
[11:19] <Snuxoll> Tried a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but that fixed nothing
[11:19] <vmlinuz-> ok i turned it off, firstable let me fix the usb thing. should i close virtualbox and do the init.d/dev stop?
[11:21] <LiMaO> no need to stop it
[11:21] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: should i restart the service boxdrv ?
[11:21] <Odd-rationale> I understand that Gusty can encrypt your entire hard drive. 2 question: Is it available only in the text mode installer? Can I change the password for the encryption? Thanks!
[11:21] <LiMaO> just edit the file the restart udev
[11:21] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: no need to do anything else besides editing the file and restarting udev
[11:21] <Snuxoll> Odd-rationale: Yes, alternate install only
[11:22] <WorkingOnWise> LiMaO: the fix you gave for vb got xp runing, but didn't fix the error. should i be able to plug a usb device into my laptop, and see it in the vm?
[11:22] <Odd-rationale> Thx, Snuxoll. Is it possible to change the password or is it fixed?
[11:22] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: you know what, its already 0666
[11:23] <LiMaO> WorkingOnWise: what error are you still having? let's fix it =)
[11:23] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: I remember i edited it before, but that was from before. the older virtualbox that i got from apt-get
[11:23] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: then it's all good
[11:23] <Snuxoll> Odd-rationale: I'm not sure, I know you can set it during the install, but I don't think you can change it
[11:23] <LiMaO> but it seems you both are getting some error message anyways
[11:23] <vmlinuz-> now, can i start the winxp without running the innotek virtualbox startup
[11:23] <Odd-rationale> OK, Thanks!
[11:23] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: yes
[11:24] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: how pls
[11:24] <WorkingOnWise> ok. I gotta savee the machine state first...
[11:25] <LiMaO> er, actually i understood what you asked now... you can't.. you should use innotek window to 'start' a machine
[11:25] <vmlinuz-> ok thank you LiMaO
[11:25] <pvl1> My ipod wont automount
[11:25] <WorkingOnWise> grrr. cant get to settings with a saved state. gotta shut down the vm...
[11:26] <noah__> Has anyone tried Ekiga after the last week's updates in Gutsy? I can't get it to work anymore. No audio, GUI hangs, random crashes on incoming calls, can't answer incoming calls, ..
[11:27] <nzero> has anyone  actually succesfully used the screen admin thing yet
[11:27] <WorkingOnWise> LiMaO: OK. The error is "Could not load the Host USB Proxy Service"
[11:28] <LiMaO> WorkingOnWise: are you on gutsy?
[11:28] <WorkingOnWise> yes
[11:28] <LiMaO> that's unfixable =/
[11:29] <xnitex> i can't get any of the compiz themes which have the ".emerald" extension to change the window decorations using emerald theme manager
[11:29] <LiMaO> gotta wait till the final version of gutsy, so that innotek will release a version of vbox that fully works on it
[11:29] <WorkingOnWise> is that to say it will be fixed after Gutsy goes stable?
[11:29] <xnitex> help anyone?
[11:29] <WorkingOnWise> ok...
[11:29] <WorkingOnWise> so, what won't work due to that error? USB?
[11:29] <nzero> does anyone know anything about the screen and graphics admin app
[11:30] <LiMaO> WorkingOnWise: you may try plugging in some usb device and see what happens
[11:30] <larson9999> nzero, yeah, i know it doesn't work for my geforce go card
[11:30] <larson9999> :)
[11:30] <Snuxoll> Gutsy's new X hates my monitor....keeps forcing it into widescreen resolutions
[11:30] <WorkingOnWise> so it isn't a dealbreaker.
[11:31] <nzero> it seems to not work period
[11:31] <xnitex> ?????????
[11:31] <nzero> what is the point of it if it supports nothing
[11:32] <xnitex> ????
[11:32] <nzero> I tell it the exact model of my monitor and i try and hit the test button, the screen goes blank, system locks, can't even get into the tty
[11:32] <nzero> and they have days to fix it
[11:33] <nzero> like what less then a week
[11:33] <nzero> its not going to work
[11:33] <larson9999> nzero, good, it's not just me :)
[11:33] <WorkingOnWise> ty LiMaO. Between running a beta, and finding all sorts of outdated info on the web, I have been very confused with vb...
[11:33] <xnitex> nzero : yeah thats why its a beta version
[11:33] <xnitex> :] 
[11:33] <nzero> yeah but beta is ending and stable is days away
[11:33] <nzero> and there not even close
[11:34] <nzero> I just don't understand why it can't remember my monitor even when i tell it what it is
[11:34] <Snuxoll> nzero: I know, I blame bulletproof X for this
[11:35] <nzero> its one thing for the plug and play not to work but when I tell it the specs and then it locks up
[11:35] <Snuxoll> Gutsy keeps forcing my monitor into widescreen resolutions that AREN'T EVEN IN MY xorg.conf FILE
[11:35] <nzero> .....snuxoll, what do you mean
[11:36] <giorgos> i canot mount my nfs file system. Is something diferent in Gibbon?
[11:36] <ConstyXIV> hasn't there been a port of WebKit to Epiphany?
[11:36] <Snuxoll> Resolutions listed in my xorg.conf: 1280x1024, 1024x768, 800x600
[11:36] <LiMaO> WorkingOnWise: you have to try it.. i like experimenting.. when i find an error, i'll do my best to understand it and possibly fix it
[11:36] <Snuxoll> It keeps forcing my monitor into stuff like 1024x900 and stuff
[11:36] <Snuxoll> 1280x900
[11:36] <nzero> yo, amaranth,  whats up with the screens and graphics app
[11:37] <Snuxoll> nzero: I don't think it's the app, even manually configuring my x-server doesn't work right
[11:38] <nzero> the point of the X server is to give a graphics aid to operation of the system, first set of business should be complete interfacing with inputs and displays
[11:38] <murkyMurk> anyone else notice that gecko based browsers keep crashing?
[11:38] <Snuxoll> nzero: Like I said, I think it's the new bulletproof X that's killing us
[11:39] <pvl1> After updating my comp my ipod wont automount, can anyone help me?
[11:39] <nzero> especially for ubuntu which is suppose to be for consumers
[11:39] <nzero> Snuxoll: new X, what has changed
[11:39] <Snuxoll> pvl1: Tried replugging it?
[11:40] <pvl1> snuxoll:like 12 times
[11:40] <xnitex> i guess no one will discuss my question about theming with compiz and emerald? and it not changing anything?
[11:40] <nosrednaekim> pvl1: hey..... whats up?
[11:40] <Snuxoll> nzero: To prevent bad X configs from preventing gdm to start they made some weird changes to X........I think that's what's killing me
[11:40] <pvl1> xnitex: not all comps can handle either
[11:40] <murkyMurk> firefox, galeon, epithany all lockup after a few seconds...opera still working
[11:40] <nosrednaekim> xnitex: whats the problem?
[11:40] <Snuxoll> WHY does X seem to ignore the EDID information from my monitor?
[11:40] <xnitex> okay first
[11:40] <nzero> what does emerald have thats cool
[11:41] <xnitex> pvl: i think i know what chipset i'm running and that it is supported
[11:41] <pvl1> xnitex: video card?
[11:41] <xnitex> and norsednaekim : hagl!
[11:41] <xnitex> :] 
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> nzero: its hasreally really nice customizable window decorations.
[11:41] <Snuxoll> emerald is dead though
[11:41] <xnitex> okay well heres the deal, the compiz themes page has all the compiz themes on it
[11:41] <murkyMurk> Snuxoll: over riden in the xorg.conf?
[11:41] <xnitex> that have .emerald extensions
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> xnitex: what?
[11:42] <xnitex> so yeah
[11:42] <vmlinuz-> hey LiMaO do i need to install any drivers there in virtualbox winxp? Because the quality isn't right. it suppose to be better regarding to my laptop. and here i have better vga card than the laptop.
[11:42] <nosrednaekim> Snuxoll: no its now.
[11:42] <ConstyXIV> nzero: just to warn you, emerald is REALLY unstable at times
[11:42] <ConstyXIV> expect crashes
[11:42] <xnitex> and pvl : i know what my card can do, and what it is, and i know thats not the problem
[11:42] <nosrednaekim> never crashed on me... I think maybe it like KDE better
[11:42] <Snuxoll> murkyMurk: Yes, I've manually run dpkg-reconfigure on my X config, still doesn't work right
[11:43] <xnitex> but yeah i really think its weird because its not working applying themes but all the rest of compiz works and the compizconfig works, etc etc
[11:43] <murkyMurk> Snuxoll: nvidia?
[11:43] <Snuxoll> murkyMurk: ATI Radeon 9500 PRO
[11:43] <nosrednaekim> xnitex: so...... whats EXACTLY is the problem? in one line preferably..
[11:43] <Snuxoll> rv350 chi[
[11:43] <Snuxoll> *chip
[11:44] <pvl1> nosrednaekim: ey m8. well actually i ahve 2 problems, 1 more urgent then the other. my iPod wont automount, and creox keeps giving me an error
[11:44] <murkyMurk> Snuxoll: call me an old cynic but I think your problem would go away if you were to use Nvidia
[11:44] <Snuxoll> 15" Micron CRT monitor
[11:44] <larson9999> i'll go back to feisty if this doesn't work after gutsy is released.
[11:44] <nosrednaekim> creox requires some jack stuff thats pretty hard to get working.
[11:44] <Snuxoll> murkyMurk: It worked fine in feisty though
[11:44] <xnitex> nosrednaekim : i try to get .emerald compiz them files from the site, i have compizconfig installed, emerald installed, i try to import and apply window themes/whatever they are haha and it just stays the same! what do i do? and i know my card works because its running compiz just fine
[11:45] <larson9999> murkyMurk, i'm using nvidia and my card is a no go in gutsy.
[11:45] <Snuxoll> For crying out loud, my monitor's EDID SAYS 1024x768, and it doesn't even default to that
[11:45] <larson9999> buy hey, ati is going OS, finally?
[11:45] <nosrednaekim> xnitex: after selecting a theme, run "emerald --replace" from the command line.
[11:45] <murkyMurk> Snuxoll: larson9999: hmmm.. i have SLi twin cards to LCD working fine in Gutsy
[11:46] <Snuxoll> larson9999: Only with the newer cards
[11:46] <pvl1> nosrednaekim:figured, ill look into jack, but got any idea towards te ipod thing?
[11:46] <larson9999> Snuxoll, yeah.
[11:46] <Snuxoll> People with rv400 and below chips are SOL
[11:46] <nosrednaekim> pvl1: do you use amarok?
[11:46] <larson9999> murkyMurk, the old, "works for me."
[11:46] <Snuxoll> murkyMurk: It'd be less annoying if it stopped thinking my monitor was widescreen
[11:46] <pvl1> nosrednaekim: i us erythembox, but i mean ubuntu wont mount it at all. like i cant browse thru it
[11:46] <xnitex> hot damn it worked nosrednaekim, thank you!
[11:47] <murkyMurk> larson9999: yeah but it means that it's unlikey to be 'gutsy' at fault and more likely to be something else
[11:47] <larson9999> something about this laptop display is the problem.
[11:47] <nosrednaekim> Snuxoll: not so... I've heard many reports of rv300-490's working.
[11:47] <murkyMurk> Snuxoll: you tried hand coding an xorg.conf to force it? or used one of the manual configuration apps that X comes with?
[11:47] <nosrednaekim> xnitex: NP
[11:47] <Snuxoll> nosrednaekim: I'm talking about ATI's new Open Source drivers
[11:47] <Snuxoll> murkyMurk: YES
[11:48] <xnitex> nosrednaekim : when i close that terminal window, it exits the window borders, how to fix that and make it permanent?
[11:48] <nosrednaekim> pvl1: try getting amarok... it works really well with ipods
[11:48] <nosrednaekim> xnitex: run it from "alt+f2"
[11:48] <Snuxoll> Maybe using the FGLRX drivers will fix my problem, but I don't want to loose AIGLX...
[11:48] <pvl1> nosrednaekim: will try
[11:49] <nosrednaekim> Snuxoll: AIGLX will be in the next FLGRX
[11:49] <larson9999> murkyMurk, perhaps.  i don't know anyone else with a dell inspiron 8200 and gutsy to see if it works for them.
[11:49] <xnitex> you mean from tty2 nosrednaekim?
[11:49] <xnitex> nosrednaekim : "alt+f2" did nothing
[11:49] <murkyMurk> Snuxoll: larson9999; just have to add your experiences along side MCP55 nvidia sata that hasn't worked since fiesty
[11:50] <nzero> whats AIGLX
[11:50] <nzero> !AIGLX
[11:50] <ubotu> AIGLX is a project that aims to enable GL-accelerated effects on a standard desktop. Supported cards: Nvidia: GeForce3 or newer; ATI: Radeon 7000 through X800; Intel: i810 or newer. Howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLX. For older Nvidia or newer ATI cards see !xgl
[11:50] <nosrednaekim> xnitex: no.... I mean, press "alt+f2" and run it from there (a run command dialog)
[11:50] <murkyMurk> larson9999: can't even help there, my lappy is an Acer with Intel i810
[11:50] <Snuxoll> murkyMurk: MCP tries to take over the world anyways....
[11:50] <NeedHelp> Are there any major Gusty bugs to watch out for?
[11:51] <xnitex> nosrednaekim : i press that
[11:51] <xnitex> and nothing happens
[11:51] <NeedHelp> BTW Is ATI All in Wonder 9600 FINALLY supported?
[11:51] <nosrednaekim> xnitex: I'm using KDE... so things may be different ;) run "emerald --replace &" then... which should detact the process from the terminal
[11:51] <xnitex> thanks will try
[11:51] <nzero> does anyone know if they will have the screens and graphics admin app working by final
[11:51] <murkyMurk> Snuxoll: i ended up sticking a cheapo VIA6421A sata/pata PCI expansion card in to get my DVD bacl online
[11:52] <murkyMurk> nzero: my screens and admin works now
[11:52] <NeedHelp> !gutstybugs
[11:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gutstybugs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:53] <NeedHelp> !gutsy
[11:53] <nzero> is that suppose to be a joke murky
[11:53] <NeedHelp> !gutsy
[11:53] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[11:53] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: you need to install vbox guest additions... you just have to select it on innotek's window menu
[11:53] <murkyMurk> NeedHelp: not really, like any operating system the major pitfalls are all compatibility issues
[11:53] <xnitex> nosrednaekim : it worked using & thanks
[11:53] <vmlinuz-> can i do that while xp is running? LiMaO
[11:54] <LiMaO> it MUST be done while xp is running
[11:54] <xnitex> vmlinuz : one would think you would have to
[11:54] <xnitex> XD
[11:54] <LiMaO> it'll isntall guest additions on that virtual xp of yours
[11:54] <murkyMurk> nzero: nope, works fine last time i checked it..i'll check it again now
[11:54] <nzero> try and tell it the exact model of your monitor.
[11:54] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: how do i do that pls, I'm looking around as we speak
[11:54] <murkyMurk> nzero: yep, doing what it shoudl
[11:54] <NeedHelp> !changename
[11:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about changename - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:55] <nzero> you will have to log out though
[11:55] <nzero> what kind of card are you running murky
[11:55] <murkyMurk> nzero: nope, just menu & password
[11:55] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: on the window where it shows your virtual xp, click on Devices, then Install Guest additions
[11:55] <murkyMurk> nzero: SLi 7600GS
[11:56] <murkyMurk> nzero: two of 'em in SLi format using nvidia restricted on gutsy
[11:56] <vmlinuz-> LiMaO: im there, i cant find devices
[11:56] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: let me provide you a screenshot, just a sc
[11:57] <pvl1> nosrednaekim: well amarok seems pretty good, but like ubuntu does nto recognize that my ipod is plugged in
[11:57] <murkyMurk> lol, so my odd graphics works A Okay, it's just my PCI buss SATA interface that's borked
[11:57] <nzero> i'm running a ATI Radeon with two monitors hooked up, I installed with just the one hooked up, tried to tell gutsy what monitor it whats and everytime  I restart if goes back to the default.
[11:57] <nosrednaekim> pvl1: ok... plug it in and then run "dmesg" and pastebin it.
[11:57] <pvl1> sec
[11:58] <nzero> where do is the config file for XGL
[11:58] <nzero> !XGL
[11:58] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:58] <vmlinuz-> thanks because that virtualbox running the steaming live video is real slow, im having a laptop near me running it in the same time, when laptop have happenings or someone speaking, its a long delay until that happen in my virtualbox if u know what i mean >_< like laptop is more clear & whatever happens in laptop, happens in virtualbox after 1min or so, and it goes way behind and behind more and more..
[11:58] <pwuertz> Hey, I got a problem with totem... after using the seek-bar below the video.. the seek-handle is glued to my mouse even after releasing the mouse button.. hence the video is jumping around as I move the mouse anywhere within the totem window
[11:58] <pwuertz> is this a known bug?
[11:58] <murkyMurk> nzero: so X gets rewritten on every boot? No idea how that can even happen
[11:58] <pvl1> nosrednaekim uhm in a terminal i typed sudo hald, and my ipod randomly mounted, but hald wont load
[11:58] <pvl1> nosrednaekim: think i just need to restart
[11:58] <heartsblood> does anybody know when gutsy will be getting the 3d desktop plugin for compiz?
[11:58] <nzero> its like i never changed the settings
[11:59] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: http://limao.homelinux.net:8080/where.png
[11:59] <murkyMurk> pwuertz: probably, use mplayer or vlc
[11:59] <daekdroom> what`s the comand to use the xorg config util?
[11:59] <nzero> heartsblood: it already has it
[11:59] <heartsblood> where?
[11:59] <nosrednaekim> pvl1: k
[11:59] <nzero> you have to install compiz manager and enable it
[11:59] <nzero> its in the repos
[11:59] <DanaG> Anything new since two days ago?
[11:59] <pvl1> nosrednaekim well thanks anyway, goodbye
[11:59] <daekdroom> what`s the comand to use the xorg config util?
[11:59] <pwuertz> murkyMurk: I got these players installed.. but isn't this something that should be fixed for the final release :) ?
[12:00] <nosrednaekim> daekdroom: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[12:00] <nzero> you also have to go the preferences/apperance and tell it to use custom settings
[12:00] <level1_> I've had a weird problem with alsa for a while, basically, LFE is not controlled by master, and it makes it a little hard to control the volume and mute, because with master muted I still have sound from LFE
[12:00] <daekdroom> nosrednaekim thanks =)
[12:00] <vmlinuz-> thanks LiMaO found it
[12:00] <murkyMurk> pwuertz: I suspect final will be a relative term ;-) Feel free to report it as a bug on the forum
[12:00] <nzero> why is that windows has none of these compatibility problems
[12:01] <DanaG> level1_: Here's a workaround: in the Gnome volume thingy, use the 'ctrl' key to select multiple lines as master.
[12:01] <LiMaO> vmlinuz-: it'll start installing something in your virtual xp, just like if you had clicked an .exe in there
[12:01] <heartsblood> nzero: I have compiz-fusion installed and running fine that wasn't the question.  I'm asking about the 3d desktop plugin from beryll that made the windows "pop out" from the cube display as you rotate.  It wasn't included in the intial compiz-fusion release because of compatability issues and afaik it's still not in there unless it's part of another plugin now.
[12:01] <murkyMurk> level1_: yeah, many soundcards behave like that..master seems to means 'front'
[12:01] <level1_> DanaG: hmmm... does that work in kde? lol... :(
[12:01] <nzero> pop out?
[12:01] <DanaG> How do you get addon plugins without having to recompile ALL of compiz-fusion?
[12:01] <nzero> like leave the cube
[12:02] <heartsblood> nzero: yeap
[12:02] <DanaG> I don't know; perhaps kmix can do it.
[12:02] <nzero> why would you want the windows to leave the cube
[12:02] <heartsblood> nzero: I'm trying to see if I can't find a screen shot.  it's in the live version of compiz now, just wondering when it will make it into gutsy
[12:02] <murkyMurk> DanaG: just tried that...nope, doesn't work
[12:03] <nzero> i was running compiz fusion on feisty and it never had that
[12:03] <heartsblood> compiz never did, it was a beryll plugin
[12:03] <nzero> i thought compiz fusion is compiz and beryll combines
[12:03] <nosrednaekim> heartsblood: I thought it was in .6
[12:03] <murkyMurk> beryll had screen rollover horspots...they were cool
[12:04] <pwuertz> heartsblood: maybe they dropped it because of some "weird" behavior they could not fix
[12:04] <savvas> murkyMurk: suggesting is free: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu
[12:04] <pwuertz> heartsblood: like bigger windows on the window edge.. they were truncated
[12:04] <heartsblood> nzero: yes but not all the plugins made it into the 'merge' package because of incompatablity.  as I said before the 3d plugin is working fine now in the official release but it's not in the gutsy package yet and I was wondering when it will make it's way back in
[12:04] <murkyMurk> savvas: is that linked in ubotu somewhere?
[12:05] <heartsblood> http://compiz.org/Image:3DPlugin.jpg is a screen shot of what i'm talking about but the plugin doesn't look like that anymore.
[12:05] <savvas> murkyMurk: read what heartsblood said to nzero above, some plugins just didn't fit :P
[12:05] <lee__> eh are there any drivers for a on  Epson CX7800 printer for linux?
[12:05] <lee__> eh it scans negatives
[12:05] <pwuertz> I miss the aquarium plugin :/
[12:06] <heartsblood> they actually fixed that as well
[12:06] <savvas> lee__: complain at epson :P
[12:06] <murkyMurk> savvas: ahhh, following you now, thanks
[12:06] <nzero> hmmm
[12:06] <lee__> I think I will do just that lol..though it reads its card readers lol
[12:06] <nzero> i have a feeling gutsy want include that
[12:06] <nzero> but neat
[12:06] <lee__> any who
[12:07] <heartsblood> nzero: there is a youtube vid of it in action in the source rls of compiz-fusion and it looks really nice
[12:07] <heartsblood> no idea what it was called though
[12:07] <murkyMurk> what's the cube keyboard shortcut?
[12:07] <heartsblood> ctrl-alt left click is default
[12:07] <lee__> oh send the link
[12:07] <nzero> left click hold
[12:08] <heartsblood> what he said
[12:08] <nzero> ditto
[12:08] <nosrednaekim> !hardware | lee__
[12:08] <ubotu> lee__: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[12:08] <murkyMurk> nope, no cube here...can't have enabled it
[12:08] <nzero> i like that plugin, wish they did include that
[12:08] <lee__> no Im ean the link to the you tube lol..
[12:08] <nzero> murkymurk: did you install compiz manager
[12:08] <lee__> oh and thatnks for that lnk too
[12:09] <murkyMurk> nzero: probably not...guess that would account for it :-)
[12:09] <heartsblood> just for the record, ubuntu chat > debian chat.  those guys are assholes :/
[12:10] <nzero> yes, you must install that, then go to apperance in system prefs and select custom. then in compiz config enable cube.
[12:10] <DanaG> The Cubegears plugin is still broken for me -- it eats CPU like mad.
[12:10] <nzero> \and rotate cube
[12:10] <heartsblood> DanaG: install xGL
[12:10] <nzero> cubegears is cheesy anyway
[12:10] <murkyMurk> advanced compiz effects install...damn i love add/remove
[12:10] <heartsblood> DanaG: doesn't matter, xgl still helps
[12:11] <savvas> lee__: what was your printer?
[12:11] <nzero> atlantis?
[12:11] <DanaG> That one also devoured CPU.
[12:11] <heartsblood> DanaG: unless your using dual monitors then :x
[12:11] <lee__> hehee the CX7800 isnt even mentiond lol
[12:11] <lee__> its actually a combination scanner and printer
[12:11] <nzero> hey, can XGL support dual monitors
[12:11] <savvas> lee__: is that all-in-one then?
[12:11] <lee__> yes
[12:11] <heartsblood> yes, but getting it to understand I dont want images to span both is a pain
[12:11] <nosrednaekim> nzero: maybe....probabaly
[12:11] <nzero> ........
[12:11] <lee__> and its aobut a 400 dollar scanner printer too
[12:12] <heartsblood> 'maximize' sends a window across both monitors in xgl, not just the one it was activated on
[12:12] <DanaG> Why use XGL with nvidia?
[12:12] <DanaG> I just choose not to use cubegears.
[12:13] <pvl1> nosrednaekim: uhm any gudes for setting up jack?
[12:13] <larson9999> murkyMurk, yeah but the thing about linux is things typically work for a LONG time.
[12:13] <lee__> hehee heartsblood, I work in video we always do taht kind of thing
[12:13] <nzero> this BS, Ubuntu Gutsy, looks better, is more secure, and has an active community creating free useful software, but it can't support dual monitors out of the box
[12:13] <nosrednaekim> !jack
[12:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:13] <nzero> but windows XP can
[12:13] <nzero> with any card
[12:13] <lee__> hey yes it can
[12:13] <nosrednaekim> lee__: easiest way is probably to get ubuntu-studio
[12:13] <pvl1> nosrednaekim i googled it and couldnt find anythin
[12:13] <lee__> I had ubuntu , it supported dual monitors ..TV and computer
[12:14] <larson9999> nzero, errr, it's the cards supporting xp not the other way around.
[12:14] <murkyMurk> larson9999: true, but i still remember ./configure make make_install
[12:14] <nzero> true
[12:14] <lee__> file:///media/disk-2/picture/Picture/Picture 013.jpg
[12:14] <savvas> lee__: http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi
[12:14] <lee__> file:///media/disk-2/picture/Picture/Picture 014.jpg
[12:14] <larson9999> murkyMurk, yeah, i installed the driver the old way.  but it seems to me to be the display not the gc
[12:14] <heartsblood> lee__: I"m not saying anything is wrong with it, I do that when I work in gimp.  However, it's nice to have firefox only span 1 monitor when i'm trying to watch a widescreen video OR an app that relies on the center position to place itself.  Dock apps like to place themself between the monitors in XGL making them hard to use.
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> pvl1: "apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop"
[12:15] <murkyMurk> yeah! cube is back
[12:15] <larson9999> murkyMurk, you'd think after 10 years i'd be snazzy enough to find and fix the problem myself :)
[12:15] <pvl1> nosrednaekim: u think i need studio to get it work?
[12:15] <nzero> pvl1: unless you want to deal with setting up a realtime access for jack, ubuntu studio is your best bet
[12:15] <nzero> it already is setup with realtime
[12:15] <pvl1> nzero: studio it is
[12:15] <nosrednaekim> pvl1: probably the easiest way..
[12:15] <pvl1> aight thanks
[12:16] <nzero> but, studio you need a DVD burner
[12:16] <heartsblood> DanaG: even though I was lazy and didn't bother looking for a fix for the dual moniter thing (I'm pretty sure that is), I did notice an increase using the benchmark compiz plugin with compiz
[12:16] <lee__> Ok this memory for cut an paste has OGT TO GO
[12:16] <murkyMurk> larson9999: lol there have been so many changes in that time most of what we learned at a Unix keyboard is all but useless
[12:16] <nosrednaekim> not if you just grab it with apt-get ;)
[12:16] <lee__> its really irking me
[12:16] <nzero> it doesn't come on regular CDs
[12:16] <nzero> you can't grab Ubuntu studio
[12:16] <heartsblood> DanaG: xGL sends more instrctions to your gfx card and meaning your cpu does less work
[12:16] <nzero> it actually has its own kernal
[12:16] <murkyMurk> no list of keyboard shortcuts anywhere in that compiz manager...we suposed to guess?
[12:17] <heartsblood> DanaG: atleast that was the way I udnerstood it.  I could be dead wrong
[12:17] <nosrednaekim> murkyMurk: I think its under "general"
[12:17] <lee__> ok how do I dump the meory?
[12:17] <savvas> lee__: the closest driver i could find is: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-Stylus_CX8400
[12:17] <nzero> actually murky  go to actions in the plugin your using and it will tell you there
[12:17] <nzero> you can also edit it
[12:17] <murkyMurk> actions...looking now
[12:17] <lee__> thanks..but major question how do I dump the meory in the cut and paste?
[12:18] <xnitex> balls
[12:18] <lee__> befor it winds up getting me banned
[12:18] <savvas> dunno:)
[12:18] <nzero> !pastebin
[12:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:18] <murkyMurk> ta mixture of general and actions
[12:19] <larson9999> i done bought myself a gamecube.  the newest compared to current gen system i've ever had.  5 year old console tech is getting nice
[12:19] <lee__> I have in my mery the pictures that I had cut and pasted
[12:19] <nzero> well murky, you can go to each individual plugin and go to actions
[12:19] <lee__> how do I clear it?
[12:19] <murkyMurk> should be listed as subtext on the front page by the check box to enable the effect with a separate window showing a demo and short description
[12:19] <nzero> like i usually set my ALT Tab to use the shift switcher instead of the app switcher
[12:20] <savvas> lee__: you mean in gimp?
[12:20] <lee__> nors, is taht an apt get application tht you mentiond earlier?
[12:20] <silent> what program is responsible for handling laptop volume buttons? It's not adjusting my volume
[12:20] <murkyMurk> larson9999: I was eyeing up a new XBox360 for the kids..Halo3 looks kinda good
[12:20] <lee__> yes if that is waht it is
[12:20] <savvas> lee__: if you close the application, it usually clears the pasted stuff from memory
[12:20] <Assid> murkyMurk: the company that makes halo has left microsoft
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> lee__: nors? me?
[12:21] <heartsblood> y
[12:21] <heartsblood> wrong window
[12:21] <Sarco> hey, does anyone know how hard it will be to upgrade from the RC to the final on thursday?
[12:21] <lee__> yes sorry for the abrev
[12:21] <larson9999> murkyMurk, oh, were a good 4 years away from a 360... unless some weird situation puts one in my hands for $25(my cutoff for game systems)
[12:21] <nosrednaekim> Sarco: one command..
[12:21] <nosrednaekim> Sarco: will be totally safe too
[12:21] <nzero> hey did Dell do that thing where you can choose to have ubuntu preinstalled on your new system you buy?
[12:21] <Sarco> k, thanks
[12:21] <savvas> Sarco: yeah, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade :)
[12:21] <Sarco> great, just checking before i install :)
[12:21] <heartsblood> nzero: is that a joke?
[12:22] <nzero> .....huh
[12:22] <lee__> eh ill brb
[12:22] <pvl1> Nosrednaekim: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40659/ i installed studio and ran creox from the terminal
[12:22] <murkyMurk> silent: system-preferences-keyboard shortcuts  use xev to catch keycodes if you have to
[12:22] <lee__> sign out to clear memory
[12:22] <heartsblood> nzero: yes dell offers ubuntu pcs
[12:22] <nzero> cool
[12:22] <nosrednaekim> pvl1: you proabably have to reboot into the RT kernel
[12:22] <silent> murkyMurk, the keys are detected, it just doesnt recognize what volume to change... I can mute and unmute but it mutes something else
[12:22] <heartsblood> I'm actually looking at one of their laptops but their ubuntu version uses an intel gfx card which has me a little worried.
[12:23] <heartsblood> why would they use an intel card for a linux laptop?
[12:23] <nzero> so hopefully by the time i buy a new box, whatever i get from dell will be support
[12:23] <nzero> lol
[12:23] <murkyMurk> larson9999: i hear ya. I generally clear out old games & stuff on ebay and fun new toys that way...always costs but less so AND less junk in the loft
[12:23] <nzero> probley not but maybe
[12:23] <murkyMurk> silent: ahhh, that's an alsa command....let's see what google has
[12:24] <silent> murkyMurk, yeah, it stopped working after an alsa update
[12:24] <lee__> ok
[12:24] <kurisutofuaa> How is the RC looking everyone?
[12:24] <heartsblood> I like it
[12:24] <nzero> fine except for the screen and graphics card admin tool
[12:24] <gunashekar> savvas: hi
[12:24] <pvl1> nosrednaekim: what is that and how do i do it
[12:25] <larson9999> yeah, but if you bought new you get a fraction back.
[12:25] <murkyMurk> silent: mine work..i'll check the command string for ya
[12:25] <heartsblood> packages seem to be in that butter zone of up-to-date and at the same time not bleeding edge.
[12:25] <nosrednaekim> pvl1: reboot, and you should have a new kernel option.
[12:25] <lee__> ok i need to report a bug...or find out what the control yhing is fo r the cut and paste..oh wait..ill remove the card
[12:25] <pvl1> nosrednaekim: oo ok thanks
[12:25] <nosrednaekim> pvl1: I never did all this though.. so
[12:25] <nosrednaekim> maybe there is a #ubuntustudio?
[12:25] <pvl1> nosrednaekim: ill check it out
[12:25] <gunashekar> nosrednaekim: there is
[12:26] <murkyMurk> silent: damn, no commands in that GUI keyboard shortcut thingy...WTH was that command?
[12:26] <savvas> hey gunashekar
[12:26] <DanaG> Any updates since yesterday?
[12:27] <pvl1> yea there is
[12:27] <nosrednaekim> DanaG: I'm sure there has been :)
[12:28] <kurisutofuaa> nzero: a bug or you don't like the gui?
[12:28] <larson9999> murkyMurk, but this metroid prime is nice
[12:29] <savvas> finally! openoffice works! oh yeah
[12:29] <nzero> bug
[12:29] <Cyynic> greetins all
[12:29] <keir_> Hello, since upgrading to Gutsy my wireless (RT61) connection has become very unreliable, what should I do about this?
[12:29] <larson9999> savvas, you had issues with ooo?
[12:29] <gunashekar> savvas: i installed the latest Hg snaphot as adviced by the alsa developer, now the whole thing is broken and the sound card is not even recognised. I found that though the Codec is not yet supported some people have managed to get t sound workinghe
[12:30] <nosrednaekim> keir_: what chipset?
[12:30] <Cyynic> i've hit a snag with the gutsy RC, every menu has a 1+ second delay when i click it, anyone run into this before?
[12:30] <gunashekar> savvas: guess i will wait for alsa to develop
[12:30] <savvas> larson9999: uh yeah, back in beta, I just tested it :P
[12:30] <keir_> nosrednaekim: RT61
[12:30] <murkyMurk> larson9999: sure looks pretty
[12:30] <nzero> it won't remember my monitor when i tell it what it is
[12:30] <nosrednaekim> keir_: I mean...wireless chipset. atheros?boradcom?
[12:30] <kurisutofuaa> nzero: that sucks
[12:31] <larson9999> murkyMurk, a bit dark though.  i can barely see anything
[12:31] <murkyMurk> silent: can only find amixer commands...where would you type it in anyway?
[12:31] <silent> murkyMurk, the volume dialogue comes up, but I'm unsure how to attribute the control to a particular audio channel
[12:31] <Rob125> Cynnic: I've had that problem for a while, actually, but not just in gutsy.
[12:31] <savvas> gunashekar: well.. um, you can always try and do: sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-tools alsa-tools-gui
[12:31] <keir_> nosrednaekim: lspci says: 00:0a.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g
[12:31] <murkyMurk> larson9999: that's your eyes ( - )^( - )
[12:31] <Cyynic> nzero: what's the problem?
[12:31] <Rob125> Cynnic: Are you referring to every menu -- like app menus, too, or just the start menu?
[12:31] <Cyynic> rob125: every menu
[12:32] <larson9999> murkyMurk, no.  it doesn't look dark to you?
[12:32] <murkyMurk> silent: same here,,,there seems to be no easy way to do that
[12:32] <Rob125> Cynnic: No -- not had that problem, just with the main menu. Might bugzilla it.
[12:32] <gunashekar> savvas: i will do that, in any case sound will not work
[12:32] <silent> murkyMurk, there must be a config file somewhere.. somewhere it's set
[12:32] <Cyynic> rob125: and it seemed fine when i first installed (i think, though i may not have noticed it looking at all the compiz goodness)
[12:32] <murkyMurk> larson9999: I haven't got a wii
[12:32] <Rob125> Cynnic: Try disabling compiz and see if that makes a difference.
[12:33] <nzero> Cynnic: I go into the admin for screens and graphics. I tell it what model monitor is, its says reboot, so i do
[12:33] <Dr_willis> heh trouibleshooting 101 Step #1 - is always disable compiz  now. :)
[12:33] <Cyynic> rob125: how do i go about doing that? and reenabing it after :)
[12:33] <nzero> when i reboot it still is the same thing as before i changed
[12:33] <nzero> oh i can't log out
[12:33] <Dr_willis> Luckly its trivial to disable/reenab le.
[12:33] <Rob125> Cynnic: Easiest way is just to right-click on the desktop, and there's a tab and an option.
[12:33] <larson9999> murkyMurk, oh, i meant the first metroid prime.  i'm years away from a wii, too.  but it's nice enough the wii might be the first system i buy within a year or so of it's release.
[12:33] <murkyMurk> silent: use to be xfce i think..wonder if it still is?
[12:33] <nzero> it just freezes and won't let me even access the tty
[12:33] <Rob125> Cynnic: ... under 'Change wallpaper'
[12:33] <savvas> gunashekar: no idea man, as I said, it worked for several people when they add the snd-hda-intel in /etc/modules. mine is Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller and worked out of the box
[12:33] <Dr_willis> Rclick desktop -> wallpaper -> last tab.
[12:33] <nzero> but shutdown and restart wirj fube'
[12:33] <nzero> work fine*
[12:34] <Cyynic> thanks
[12:34] <Rob125> NP.
[12:34] <Rob125> Cyynic: I found that compiz worked okay, but wound up disabling it after a week or two. It's still somewhat buggy, and frankly, it doesn't really add any function.
[12:34] <lee__> ok guys I have a seriouse issue , I can't get the stuff that is in the memory of the cut and aste out I even fully restarted my copmuter
[12:34] <gunashekar> savvas: ok. will keep tinkering
[12:35] <Cyynic> nzero: i was having that problem, so i ran 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and it seemed to get less sketchy the second time around
[12:35] <fredrin> Gah, why is it such an old version of libpcap that comes with gutsy
[12:35] <lee__> wheres the folder at taht houses the cut and paste?
[12:35] <Dr_willis> theres like 2-3 compiz features that help me a little bit. :)
[12:35] <nzero> hmm
[12:35] <Dr_willis> lee__,  folder? thers no folder that holds the stuff.
[12:35] <savvas> gunashekar: try on gnome, maybe it's a kde problem
[12:35] <Cyynic> dammit!
[12:35] <lee__> then how is it retained?
[12:35] <Dr_willis> lee__,  might want to try the clipboard manager tools see whats going on.
[12:36] <Dr_willis> !info glipper
[12:36] <fredrin> and how can i make a ./configure script use the version of libpcap that is in /usr/local/lib and not the ubuntu one
[12:36] <ubotu> glipper: A clipboard manager for GNOME and other window managers. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95.1-3 (gutsy), package size 45 kB, installed size 308 kB
[12:36] <Rob125> Dr_willis: It's got some that are cool, like Expo, and like the attach tabs plugin, but really -- I can do that just fine elsewise.
[12:36] <larson9999> so far i don't see anything in the fancy smancy stuff that looks useful.  but i'm an old foggie
[12:36] <Cyynic> frickken disabling compiz fixing my fricken problems...
[12:36] <lee__> oh
[12:36] <lee__> eh
[12:36] <gunashekar> savvas: can i switch to gnome without reinstall?
[12:36] <lee__> ok
[12:36] <nzero> hey if your a sound engineer then the cube is life saver
[12:36] <Rob125> Cyynic: Well, good that it's working.
[12:36] <Dr_willis> Rob125,  i find expo iseless. :) havent figured out how to use the tab thing.. I like the 'show mini windows over the taskbar panel' :)
[12:36] <Rob125> nzero: how do you reckon?
[12:36] <lee__> taht is the strangest dang thing I ever did see in my life
[12:36] <larson9999> nzero, what's different between the cube and 4 desktops?
[12:37] <Dr_willis> gunashekar,  install ubuntu-desktop, select the gnome session on the login screen
[12:37] <Rob125> Dr_willis -- ahh, yeah. Forgot about that one. That's nice, too.
[12:37] <Cyynic> rob125: i guess... but the main reason i switched from kde was the bling...
[12:37] <hetauma> is it possible that an rc2 will come out before the release?
[12:37] <nosrednaekim> hetauma: probably not,.
[12:37] <gunashekar> Dr_willis: thanks
[12:37] <Dr_willis> Rob125,  i find it handy for the '% done dialogs' :) can mouse over and see if they are done.
[12:37] <Rob125> Cyynic: I think you'll find, ultimately, that bling shall remain bling.
[12:37] <nzero> cause i can move the cube and see realtime whats going on very quickly
[12:37] <lee__> thanks I'll make a mentl note of that
[12:37] <Cyynic> is there a utility to fiddle with compiz settings?
[12:37] <nzero> i just want to get my dual monitors working with XGL and I can have a cube for each monitor
[12:38] <Dr_willis> the advanced compwiz control panel is not isntalled by default
[12:38] <Cyynic> rob125: i hear ya
[12:38] <Rob125> Cyynic: Yes. It's called 'ccsm'
[12:38] <Dr_willis> it lets you fiddle with everyting. :)
[12:38] <savvas> gunashekar: yeah do this: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:38] <hetauma> Cyynic, compizconfig-settins-manager
[12:38] <Dr_willis> !find compiz
[12:38] <ubotu> Found: compiz, compiz-bcop, compiz-core, compiz-dev, compiz-fusion-plugins-extra (and 15 others)
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> Cyynic: compizconfig-settings-manager
[12:38] <Cyynic> thanks
[12:38] <gunashekar> savvas: thanks
[12:38] <Dr_willis> I removed compiz on my laptop. and now gnome windows ahve no decoration. :)
[12:38] <Dr_willis> oopd.. heh
[12:38] <larson9999> nzero, ic.
[12:39] <Rob125> lol. I personally liked the 'click and drag produces fire'
[12:39] <nzero> hey, in the dpkg xorg config thing, should  i tell it to use the keyboard layout 101 or 104, isn't 104 for the super key
[12:39] <larson9999> nzero, well, if i ever get this card working, i'll check that out :)
[12:39] <Cyynic> rob125: that on was fun... once :)
[12:39] <heartsblood> if I wanted to mix OSX and gutsy systems together should I use NFS or appletalk?
[12:39] <Rob125> Cyynic: I shamefully wrote 'I AM LORD VOLDEMORT' and took a screenshot.
[12:39] <Dr_willis> OSX can even do samba i belive. :)
[12:40] <heartsblood> yea but samba clogs the network with random BS packets.
[12:40] <nzero> rea;;y
[12:40] <nzero> really
[12:40] <Dr_willis> wonder if theres ssh for the sshfs to work.
[12:40] <heartsblood> it's a nonswitched network
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> heartsblood: use NFS
[12:40] <Dr_willis> thats what ive been using lately.
[12:40] <nzero> damn, i like samba
[12:40] <Cyynic> anyone know where i can go to ask questions regarding setting up tv-out with my nvidia car for movie watching etc?
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> yeah... OSX has ssh
[12:40] <Cyynic> rob125: hehe
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> heh... Vista has ssh
[12:40] <nzero> screw Vista and it mother
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> lol... Vista ultimate has NFS.
[12:41] <nosrednaekim> I was so mad when I head that
[12:41] <Dr_willis> Cyynic,  i find what with a lot of nvidia cards/drivers. If ONLY the tv is hooked up. it defaults to that. I dident have to tweak my last mythtv box at all.
[12:41] <heartsblood> nzero: yea I'm pretty sure there is a way to tone down teh ammount of discovery packets it sends out but it's still a bloated network app
[12:41] <Cyynic> nzero: i've always stuck with the defaults
[12:41] <heartsblood> the ><
[12:41] <murkyMurk> silent: nope can't find it..was a lot simpler with xmodmap even though it took more set up...try ubutu forum
[12:41] <Cyynic> dr_willis: that would involve disconnecting my monitor every time?
[12:42] <silent> murkyMurk, I'll use xmodmap
[12:42] <Dr_willis> Cyynic,  as i said. if ONLY the tv is hooked up.. :)
[12:42] <Dr_willis> Cyynic,  in your case you wan tto mess with twinview and either clone the displays. or set up different xorg.conf server settings for one or the other.
[12:43] <Dr_willis> or have a wide monitor and drag the movie player over to the tv :)
[12:43] <Dr_willis> or have 2 X sessions going.
[12:43] <heartsblood> btw, could anybody recomend a good dvd-(+)rw brand?  I seem to burn one out every 8-14 months :/
[12:43] <Cyynic> dr_willis: well i guess that's a possible option.. yeah i'll have to fiddle with my xorg.conf and set up a second layout again, i just never got the bugs ironed out last time
[12:43] <TheRepacker> Cyynic, If you are using a Series 7 nVidia card, do not use the 100.14.19 driver, it is buggy use the 9639 driver
[12:43] <Dr_willis> heartsblood,  gesh - I tend to stick with Plextor or Liteon.
[12:44] <Cyynic> therepacker: i've got an 8600 series
[12:44] <Dr_willis> Cyynic,  i use mythtv. i can tell it to alwyas go to Monitor #2
[12:44] <heartsblood> Dr_willis: I've had plextors die on me in the last year
[12:44] <heartsblood> 2*
[12:44] <Dr_willis> heartsblood,  given how cheap the things are getting..   good luck. :)
[12:44] <heartsblood> :(
[12:44] <silent> what is the command to list sound devices
[12:44] <Dr_willis> Ive had HP's die on me mainly.
[12:44] <silent> a__ -l
[12:44] <heartsblood> I had 2 plextors, 1 samsung, and I dont remember what the last one was
[12:45] <Cyynic> dr_willis: i sohuld check out mythtv again, but i don't have cable (or any interest in it) and iu never figured out how to configure it last time i tried it
[12:45] <Dr_willis> Cyynic,  Mythbuntu is handy. :)
[12:45] <nzero> ok i'm gonna go screw up my system and with this dual monitor thing., maybe see you all in a bit
[12:45] <TheRepacker> Then the 100.14 should work according to nvidia. I have 2 cards, with 3 monitor and 2 TV/s hooked up,
[12:45] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu makes Mythtv setup easy. :)
[12:45] <nzero> wow repacker
[12:45] <nosrednaekim> !
[12:45] <nosrednaekim> 0.o
[12:45] <Cyynic> dr_willis i'll take a gander at it
[12:45] <nzero> your crazy
[12:45] <eljefe> how can I test the Kubuntu upgrade tool?  I followed the wiki but it didn't do anything after I did the "adept_manager --version-upgrade" run and "click [Finish]  to begin the version upgrade tool"/
[12:46] <Cyynic> well thanks for the help everyone, i'm outta here
[12:46] <nzero> what do you do monitor every corner of your house
[12:46] <TheRepacker> one card is the onboard 6150 and I also have a PCI 7300 GT
[12:46] <nosrednaekim> TheRepacker: you can run both at the same time?
[12:46] <TheRepacker> yes
[12:47] <nzero> c ya in a few, or after a fresh install of gutsy
[12:47] <nzero> peace
[12:47] <murkyMurk> nzero: l8rs
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> eljefe: what do you mean "didn't do anything"?
[12:47] <Cyynic> eljefe: i "tested" it two days ago. it failed to download a number of critical packages and hung at 99% configured, and the 'bug report' button was broken
[12:47] <eljefe> lol
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> its very very beta quality...
[12:47] <TheRepacker> then 9639 driver, and I am using nvidia setting to turn off and on monitors/tvs
[12:48] <Cyynic> eljefe: so before rebooting i torrented the iso in about 1/2 hour and did a clean install
[12:48] <silent> what is the command to list sound devices?
[12:49] <silent> (not lspci)
[12:49] <DanaG> Oh yeah, this time I booted, my consoles were entirely blank.
[12:49] <eljefe> ok the wiki says to check the "unsupported packages" in adept (done); then update all (done); then to re-run adept_manager with the "--version-upgrade" flag (done); then click ^ Version Upgrade (done) and it installed like 4 packages, then said, "Click [Finish]  to begin the version upgrade" and I click finish and nothing happened.
[12:49] <DanaG> To make things worse, it stalled for a long time with heavy disk activity, with no indication of what was going on.
[12:49] <gentoofan23> silent: "alsactl names"?
[12:49] <DanaG> Only my experience told me that it was fsck running.
[12:50] <kurisutofuaa> what is easier upgrading form a fresh 7.04 to 7.10 or download the RC and install that fresh?
[12:50] <brodock> is usplash working for you? cus for me it's not...
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> kurisutofuaa: upgrading probably
[12:51] <Rob125> kurisutofuaa, installing takes less time, I've found, but upgrading is easier.
[12:51] <silent> amixer sset 'PCM' 2dB+
[12:52] <kurisutofuaa> nosrednaekim, Rob125: now I just have to find where I put my 7.04 dvd lol
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> kurisutofuaa: oh you don't have it installed? go right to 7.10 then..
[12:54] <budmang> hey Hey :)
[12:55] <nosrednaekim> ey budmang
[12:56] <silent> what's the command to get a key code for xbindkeys?
[12:57] <stefg> uhoh... seems gutsy is in trouble. Just upgraded a clone of my feisty install on a spare partition... kernel broken, gnome broken, 4 days until scheduled release .... doesn't look nice
[12:57] <budmang> Everything works minues my webcam and mic. any good forum sites to tart?
[12:59] <nosrednaekim> !hardware
[12:59] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[12:59] <outR> running gutsy rc on a toshiba satellite m30 with 32mb nvidia fx gpu, when i turn on desktop effects and then use totem-gstreamer to play an xvid, everything goes to hell if i go fullscreen, then move the cursor so that the totem gui gets rendered
[01:00] <outR> and by goes to hell i mean the machine completely locks up, must hard reboot
[01:00] <outR> has anyone run into anything similar?
[01:00] <Dr_willis> 32mb  video and compiz - Icky! :)
[01:00] <Dr_willis> well bbl
[01:01] <silent> http://www.gnome.org/learn/users-guide/2.0/ch09s05.html <--- can some one please explain to me where I might find this "New" button?
[01:02] <outR> yeah... it might be the 32mb thats giving me problems, but gpus have been able to use system memory for textures for ages now... besides, the video plays fine as long as the totem gui doesnt appear in fullscreen
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> outR: probably a bad version of the black-window bug?
[01:03] <brodock> i'm experiencing usplash not working on gutsy... i'm on acer laptop (widescreen) with intel i945 GMA... does anybody with the same problem??
[01:04] <outR> nosrednaekim, i havent been keeping up, ive been running edgy in 2d for the last year... ill look on the compiz forum for anything related, thankx
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> outR: you could ask in #ubuntu-effects as well
[01:06] <kbrooks> bang.
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> kbrooks: ouch..
[01:08] <|neon|> have ne1 use ghost4linu to back up the entire installation og ubuntu
[01:13] <Jessehk> Does anyone notice that some of the icons in the preferences menu for Gnome are blurry?
[01:13] <bur[n] er> nope... use a different theme?
[01:13] <savvas> or clean your glasses :P
[01:14] <Jessehk> bur[n] ner: I'm using the GNOME theme from the Appearences menu.
[01:14] <Jessehk> and it also happens when I use the Human icon theme.
[01:14] <bur[n] er> odd
[01:14] <Vuen> hey all
[01:15] <bur[n] er> i use human... they look fine
[01:15] <savvas> Jessehk: like which icons?
[01:15] <savvas> preferred applications and power manager seem blurry here too
[01:15] <Jessehk> Specifically, the "Bluetooth Preferences", Palm OS devices, and Preferred Applications icons
[01:15] <savvas> hm..
[01:15] <Jessehk> and a few more in the preferences, and adminstration menus
[01:15] <bur[n] er> all of them look great here
[01:15] <Jessehk> also, the OO.o icons are pretty blurry
[01:15] <savvas> I think the icons are too small :s
[01:16] <savvas> nope, those are fine here
[01:16] <savvas> Jessehk: I believe that's a VERY minor detail to what some people face right now
[01:17] <savvas> they're trying to support as much hardware as possible
[01:17] <Jessehk> savvas: I know it's minor, but it should probably be taken care of before release in 4 days. :)
[01:18] <Vuen> hey guys, how's the gutsy release candidate testing going? does it seem stable enough for release?
[01:18] <Vuen> man, i'm looking forward to the release
[01:19] <silent> I'm wondering how I can change the commands executed for keyboard shortcuts, as the volume control does not function
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> Vuen: pretty stable here... no crashes... just a finicky wireless card
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> (which didn't work AT ALL in fiesty)
[01:19] <Vuen> ah
[01:19] <Vuen> that's good i guess
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> yeah