| Creteil | well, rebooted on the new kernel and installed the new headers package generated during kernel rebuilding and this time update manager saying there is 1 package broken | 12:33 |
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| TheMuso | slangasek: Thanks a lot. | 12:34 |
| Creteil | so i have removed the headers package i have generated the same time i have rebuilded the kernel and compiled module with probably old headers ... | 12:34 |
| Creteil | mjg59 : does it make sense to you ? | 12:34 |
| mjg59 | Yes | 12:35 |
| Creteil | mjg59 : so if i understand properly i have just to reinstall the headers packages generated the same time i rebuilded the kernel, the recompile l-u-m again this one ? true ? | 12:36 |
| mjg59 | Yes | 12:36 |
| Creteil | thanks, i immediatly give it a try, compiling, dpkg -i the new package, rebooting and come back here to thank you :-) | 12:37 |
| Creteil | mjg59 : btw how do you clean the already made compilation of l-u-m ? | 12:39 |
| mjg59 | fakeroot debian/rules clean | 12:40 |
| Creteil | mjg59 : thanks | 12:40 |
| Kopfgeldjaeger | n8 | 12:42 |
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| Creteil | mjg59 : well, recompiled l-u-m against new headers, dpkg -i the new modules, now it's time to reboot, stay tuned i come back ... | 12:52 |
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| TheMuso | Hmm, interesting. I see my ubuntustudio uploads were accepted, one closing the bug, but I haven't received anything from Soyuz, so far as I've seen... | 01:16 |
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| TheMuso | And nothing on gutsy changes either... | 01:17 |
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| TheMuso | Ah well. | 01:17 |
| Creteil | mjg59 : always up ? | 01:17 |
| ScottK | TheMuso: Hobbsee was accepting via the LP web ui and there's a bug where stuff accepted via there webui forgets to get sent to changes. | 01:18 |
| TheMuso | ScottK: Ok thanks. | 01:18 |
| Creteil | mjg59 : bad news, even all things seems to be well (compilation, installation) the computer boot, but stay blocked at 'Starting log daemon ...' since i have installed the new modules ... however booting without splash and with vga=normal parameter, i can see iwl3945 loading properly (these one is part of the new module i have compiled). | 01:21 |
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| Creteil | mjg59 : do you have any idea on where I can made mistake ? | 01:22 |
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| Creteil | back | 01:47 |
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| TheMuso | doko_: Thanks. | 02:14 |
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| janimo | any release manager around? | 09:34 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, some of us | 09:35 |
| Hobbsee | janimo: ^ | 09:37 |
| janimo | Hobbsee: I read your mail to devel | 09:37 |
| janimo | I'd like an upload approved | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | janimo: right | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | oh, i see what i've written. i can still ask others to approve, etc. | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | (which i didnt stick in the mail. damn) | 09:39 |
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| luca | hi everyone | 09:40 |
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| luca | I would like to add a hack into knetworkmanager but I do not have any programming competence whatsoever...can someone help me or tell me where to go for starting? :) | 09:41 |
| janimo | Hobbsee: so I'd like xubuntu-default-settings which I uploaded last night to get approved | 09:41 |
| janimo | thanks | 09:41 |
| Hobbsee | slangasek: if you're still around...please ^ | 09:42 |
| Mithrandir | accepted | 09:43 |
| Hobbsee | thanks Mithrandir | 09:43 |
| sladen | luca: generally you'll need the source code (easy: apt-get source knetworkmanager) and some help and guidance (start at #kubuntu, and look around for Qt, KDE and NetworkManager related programming resources and IRC channels) | 09:51 |
| luca | sladen thanks | 09:53 |
| luca | I would like to add a simple hack - after suspension the program should switch to "offline mode" and then again to "online mode" - there is a known bug which makes the applet not detectin the wireless networks around otherwise | 09:54 |
| luca | (it's knetworkmanager only - wlassistant functions after suspension without glitches) | 09:54 |
| luca | sladen where would apt-get source put the source package? | 09:56 |
| Hobbsee | current directory | 09:56 |
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| luca | Hobbsee thanks | 10:00 |
| luca | now I just have to understand how to hack it :P | 10:00 |
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| luca | can someone point me to some good online qt resources please? | 10:07 |
| Mithrandir | luca: this channel is for development of Ubuntu, not development on Ubuntu. | 10:08 |
| luca | ok sorry :) a good channel then would be what? I am asking here because both in #kubuntu and in #kde I am not recieving answers | 10:09 |
| pwnguin | hi luca | 10:13 |
| luca | hi | 10:13 |
| pwnguin | oh, luca's a common name in italy i guess. i know Debian developer with the same first name | 10:14 |
| luca | yep it is | 10:16 |
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| pwnguin | i really dont know where qt developers lurk though. #qt maybe? | 10:17 |
| luca | maybe | 10:17 |
| luca | tryin in ubuntu-motu now | 10:17 |
| luca | I'll try #qt thanks though :D | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | #kde-devel would be a decnt idea | 10:18 |
| Hobbsee | no, not #ubuntu-motu | 10:18 |
| luca | thanks :) | 10:19 |
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| Burgundavia | am I cracked or did we back away from shipping Gnash by default? | 10:35 |
| luca | hope not | 10:36 |
| Burgundavia | doesn't appear to be installed on my machine | 10:36 |
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| sladen | it was in the release notes | 10:39 |
| Burgundavia | it was, which is so odd | 10:39 |
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| minghua | I don't think my beta install has gnash installed by default either. | 10:43 |
| minghua | I also don't remember reading "gnash installed by default" in release notes. | 10:44 |
| persia | only mozilla-plugin-gnash depends on gnash, and it doesn't appear to have any reverse dependencies excepting education-standalone | 10:44 |
| Burgundavia | but that was the plan, I thought | 10:44 |
| minghua | I think it's better not installed by default. | 10:45 |
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| Burgundavia | meh | 10:49 |
| Burgundavia | has anybody noticed deskbar applet crashing and hanging a lot? | 10:50 |
| sladen | Burgundavia: it's not a case of whether anyone else has noticed. If *you* have experienced deskbar crashing and hanging then that is a bug and needs filing | 10:50 |
| Burgundavia | well, I have seen a lot of general instability | 10:51 |
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| sladen | "general instablity" is about as hard as "general FUD" to fix | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | yes, I know that | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | hence why I haven't filed a bug yet | 10:52 |
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| Burgundavia | ugh, how do I run gdb on an applet? | 10:55 |
| pochu | Burgundavia: look for the process, and attach it | 10:57 |
| pochu | gdb --pid=number | 10:57 |
| Burgundavia | got it | 10:58 |
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| Burgundavia | typical. Just when I get the dbgsym package installs, I cannot replicate the crash | 11:01 |
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| ogra | pitti, ! | 11:09 |
| pitti | hi | 11:09 |
| Burgundavia | hey ogra | 11:09 |
| Burgundavia | hey pitti | 11:09 |
| ogra | pitti, i'm doing the last fine tuning on g-p-m settings ... there is an option to lock the gnome keyring after suspend/hibernate (we already lock the screen) should that be on or off ? | 11:10 |
| ogra | s/after/before/ | 11:10 |
| ogra | (its a new option) | 11:11 |
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| StevenK | Morning pitti | 11:11 |
| k0001 | hello people =) | 11:11 |
| pitti | hi StevenK | 11:11 |
| k0001 | i have a little problems, and i'd like to know how can i help you | 11:12 |
| pitti | ogra: what's the upstream default? | 11:12 |
| ogra | upstream default is to use screensaver settings for all locking | 11:12 |
| ogra | we dont do that, which means i have four more fine grained options to set | 11:13 |
| pitti | that makes some sense | 11:13 |
| ogra | i dont think g-s-s does any geyring locking | 11:13 |
| ogra | *keyring :) | 11:13 |
| k0001 | my nautilus keep dying randomly (sometimes after 5 minutes, sometimes after 1 hour) when browsing a ssh remote server, and i have to manually `pkill nautilus` so that it gets fully functional again, how can i help with this? (using up-to-date ubuntu gutsy (gnome 2.20)) | 11:15 |
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| ogra | k0001, file a bug | 11:15 |
| pitti | meh, palmer is dead | 11:15 |
| ogra | or comment on an existing one if someone already had the same prob | 11:15 |
| Burgundavia | pitti: I am running into a nasty bug with deskbar, apparently seen by others by so far impossible to trace source: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deskbar-applet/+bug/150559 | 11:16 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 150559 in deskbar-applet "[gutsy] deskbar applet locks up during first search after startup" [Medium,Incomplete] | 11:16 |
| k0001 | ogra, and what useful information could i provide (for debugging or whatever ) | 11:16 |
| k0001 | ? | 11:16 |
| ogra | the people getting the bugmail for nautilus will tell you :) | 11:16 |
| k0001 | ok ogra , thanks =) | 11:16 |
| ogra | there are some wiki pages about debugging program crashes as well with some hints :) | 11:16 |
| persia | k0001: You'll probably get better answers to questions about correct information for a bug in #ubuntu-bugs. | 11:16 |
| k0001 | oh, thanks persia , i'll ask there then | 11:17 |
| k0001 | keep the good work =) | 11:17 |
| Burgundavia | about the start hammering away at the reason, but I wonder if I can find the cause, how do I tag it for a release manager to look at? | 11:17 |
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| rulus | Hi, my pc boots incredibly slow except when I press ctrl+alt+f1 upon boot. Can this be a usplash bug (usplash doesn't work either)? Both problems occur on the RC, beta worked fine. | 11:18 |
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| ogra | does anyone else have suid warnings fron gtk in his ~/.xsession-errors ? | 11:20 |
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| Kmos | ogra: I've :) | 11:23 |
| Kmos | http://pastebin.com/d7fe6f5b3 | 11:23 |
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| Kmos | ogra: http://pastebin.com/d7fe6f5b3 | 11:35 |
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| ogra | Kmos, thanks | 11:38 |
| === ogra thought it was xgl related ... but apparently you dont have xgl or compiz running there | ||
| Kmos | ogra: nop.. only metacity =) my video card doesn't support compiz | 11:38 |
| ogra | looks like something that even starts before the gdm session | 11:38 |
| Kmos | exactly | 11:38 |
| Kmos | because the process isn't running anymore | 11:39 |
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| Kmos | there is a way to see what process was in a PID ? | 11:39 |
| Kmos | kmos 4838 0.0 0.6 26760 6960 ? Ssl 10:15 0:00 x-session-manager | 11:40 |
| Kmos | root 4940 0.0 0.4 6288 4364 ? S 10:15 0:00 ddclient - sleeping for 140 seconds | 11:40 |
| Kmos | i've only that, it's somethingin the middle | 11:40 |
| Kmos | *something | 11:40 |
| Kmos | another thing | 11:41 |
| Kmos | Oct 14 10:32:29 kmos ntpd_initres[5562] : ntpd returns a permission denied error! | 11:41 |
| Kmos | at syslog | 11:41 |
| ogra | hmm | 11:41 |
| Kmos | check if you've the same | 11:42 |
| ogra | well, even then, how should htpd use gtk ? | 11:42 |
| ogra | its gtk thats complaining | 11:42 |
| ogra | *ntpd | 11:42 |
| Kmos | it's another error | 11:42 |
| Kmos | not related to gtk | 11:42 |
| ogra | i dont run ntpd anyway | 11:43 |
| Kmos | i need to check LP | 11:43 |
| ogra | Oct 14 11:30:55 laptop ntpdate[5981] : step time server 91.189.94.145 offset -6.676236 sec | 11:43 |
| ogra | Oct 14 11:33:29 laptop ntpdate[6234] : adjust time server 91.189.94.145 offset -0.006585 sec | 11:43 |
| Kmos | it's nice | 11:43 |
| ogra | ntpdate works fine here though | 11:43 |
| ogra | (its executed automatically on ifup if you dont have ntpd installed) | 11:44 |
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| unggnu | hi all | 11:46 |
| unggnu | Does it make sense to mark all the i810 driver resolution and external monitor bugs as a duplicate of this one bug #13514 | 11:46 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 13514 in linux-source-2.6.15 "No keyboard with 2.6.10-4-386-SMP (Hoary)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13514 | 11:46 |
| unggnu | ups sorry, wrong bug | 11:47 |
| unggnu | bug #135141 | 11:47 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 135141 in xorg "Gutsy: Intel should be preferred over 810" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135141 | 11:47 |
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| ogra | so, its apparently the capp to gdmflexiserver in /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default thats causing the setuid warning | 12:00 |
| ogra | *call | 12:00 |
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| ogra | which is weird, since gdmflexiserver actually isnt suid | 12:01 |
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| Kmos | ogra: that's strange.. | 12:06 |
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| ogra | Kmos, Bug #152577 | 12:09 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 152577 in gdm "call to gdmflexiserver in /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default causes gtk setuid warning" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152577 | 12:09 |
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| Kmos | ogra: nice | 12:21 |
| ogra | feel free to confirm if you can reproduce | 12:22 |
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| Kmos | ogra: i set it also to medium | 12:23 |
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| Kmos | /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40guidance-displayconfig_restore: 11: /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore: not found | 12:26 |
| Kmos | this isn't a problem os displaygtk-config ? | 12:26 |
| Kmos | *of | 12:26 |
| ogra | Kmos, so can you confirm it goes away if you comment the two commands ? | 12:26 |
| ogra | (you didnt say that in the bug comment) | 12:26 |
| Kmos | ogra: i need to restart X, i'll do it later | 12:27 |
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| Kmos | kmos@bash:~$ dpkg -l /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore | 12:28 |
| Kmos | No packages found matching /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore. | 12:28 |
| ogra | its in displayconfig-gtk (which you probably dont have installed) | 12:29 |
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| Kmos | the problem is that i've it installed | 12:30 |
| Kmos | :) | 12:30 |
| Kmos | displayconfig-gtk is already the newest version. | 12:30 |
| mjg59 | Kmos: -S | 12:31 |
| Kmos | kmos@bash:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore | 12:31 |
| Kmos | dpkg: /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore not found. | 12:31 |
| Kmos | ok | 12:31 |
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| mjg59 | Anyway, it's an issue with guidance-backends | 12:31 |
| mjg59 | Probably harmless | 12:31 |
| ogra | its from kde-guidance :P | 12:32 |
| ogra | (/usr/bin/displayconfig-restore) | 12:32 |
| ogra | well, it could need a 2>/dev/null or so to be quiet | 12:32 |
| ogra | in the session script | 12:32 |
| ogra | mjg59, since i have you here, any opinion on locking gnome-keyring during hibernate/suspend ? g-p-m offers that now | 12:33 |
| mjg59 | I have no opinion on it | 12:34 |
| mjg59 | I suspect that changing it now would be too late | 12:34 |
| ogra | well, changes can go in until tomorrow ... and its a trivial gconf default key change | 12:35 |
| mjg59 | But we have no idea how it interacts with the user experience | 12:36 |
| ogra | i need to turn off locking on blank by default anyway (apparently thats an upstream default now and g-p-m sees brightness changes as screen blanking) | 12:36 |
| ogra | well, it will pop up a gnome-keyring PW dialog directly after you unlocked the screen after suspend/hibernate | 12:36 |
| ogra | i think we should disable it since we already go with the locking by default | 12:37 |
| mjg59 | I think it's too late to change it | 12:37 |
| ogra | ok | 12:37 |
| Dekans|screen | hey | 12:37 |
| Dekans|screen | I have a little trouble | 12:37 |
| Dekans|screen | it seems that nvidia-glx depends on i386 kernel on Gutsy | 12:38 |
| ogra | then i'll only set the /apps/gnome-power-manager/lock/blank_screen key to false ... | 12:38 |
| mjg59 | Dekans|screen: No it doesn't | 12:38 |
| Dekans|screen | et restricted-manager(-kde) requires the i386 kernel too | 12:38 |
| Dekans|screen | yesterday it was the case | 12:39 |
| mjg59 | No it wasn't | 12:39 |
| Hobbsee | uh, no it doesnt. | 12:39 |
| ogra | it depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.9639 | 12:40 |
| ogra | which is provided by any of the linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14- packages | 12:40 |
| Dekans|screen | I couldn't launch restricted-manager, because of my kernel | 12:41 |
| Dekans|screen | and when i installed nvidia-glx, i had i386 kernel installed | 12:42 |
| Dekans|screen | and no 3D acceleration on i686 kernel | 12:42 |
| Dekans|screen | look : | 12:44 |
| Dekans|screen | ~$ install nvidia-glx | 12:44 |
| Dekans|screen | Les NOUVEAUX paquets suivants seront installs: | 12:44 |
| Dekans|screen | linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common | 12:44 |
| ogra | try that: "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux" | 12:45 |
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| Dekans|screen | Les NOUVEAUX paquets suivants seront installs: | 12:46 |
| Dekans|screen | linux linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic | 12:46 |
| Dekans|screen | nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common | 12:46 |
| Dekans|screen | the same :/ | 12:46 |
| ogra | no, it installes the right modules (-generic flavor) alongside | 12:47 |
| Dekans|screen | yes but the -386 shouldn't be installed | 12:48 |
| Hobbsee | sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ rdepends linux-restricted-modules-386 | 12:48 |
| Hobbsee | linux-restricted-modules-386 | 12:48 |
| Hobbsee | Reverse Depends: | 12:48 |
| Hobbsee | restricted-manager-core | 12:48 |
| Hobbsee | linux-386 | 12:48 |
| Hobbsee | ...interesting? | 12:48 |
| ogra | mjg59, i noticed matthiaz had the ssame prob with the apparmor modules ... if linux and l-r-m isnt installed they somehow pick -386 as their first option | 12:48 |
| Dekans|screen | okay | 12:48 |
| Dekans|screen | so l-r-m must be installed first | 12:49 |
| ogra | restricted-manager-core --> Recommends: linux-restricted-modules-generic | linux-restricted-modules-386 | 12:49 |
| ogra | Hobbsee, thas fine | 12:49 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: ah yes, just found that. | 12:49 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: are linux and l-r-m virtual packages, or actual packages? | 12:50 |
| ogra | dont get tricked by the rdepends option (ask colin how often he corrected me on that :P ) | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | oh, i was still getting back to that bit :) | 12:50 |
| ogra | linux-restricted-modules-generic/-386 are virtual, yes | 12:50 |
| ogra | linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-* arent ... | 12:51 |
| Dekans|screen | i test it | 12:51 |
| ogra | Dekans|screen, just uninstall linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 afterwards | 12:51 |
| Hobbsee | Dekans|screen: i cant reproduce this - using a -generic kernel, and isntalling nvidia-glx | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee | Dekans|screen: what version of nvidia-glx? | 12:53 |
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| ogra | Hobbsee, but you have the linux package installed i suspect | 12:54 |
| ogra | (before even trying) | 12:55 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: nope. | 12:55 |
| ogra | oh | 12:55 |
| ogra | intresting | 12:55 |
| Dekans|screen | Hobbsee: 9639 | 12:58 |
| Hobbsee | ? | 12:58 |
| Dekans|screen | without -386 packages X server doesn't run | 12:58 |
| Dekans|screen | Hobbsee: nvidia-glx is the 9639 version of nvidia driver | 12:59 |
| ogra | thats the recent one | 12:59 |
| ogra | Dekans|screen, the complete version sting would be more helpful though | 12:59 |
| Dekans|screen | yes sure :p | 12:59 |
| ogra | dpkg -l nvidia-glx | 01:00 |
| Dekans|screen | 1/1.0.9639+2.6.22.4-14.8 | 01:00 |
| Dekans|screen | 1:1.0.9639+2.6.22.4-14.8 | 01:00 |
| ogra | yeah thats current | 01:00 |
| Dekans|screen | it's what i said | 01:01 |
| Dekans|screen | no 3D acceleration on generic kernel | 01:01 |
| Dekans|screen | :( | 01:01 |
| Dekans|screen | i don't wanna install the 386 one | 01:02 |
| Dekans|screen | so there is a real dependency problem | 01:02 |
| ogra | so you have a system with plain -generic now ? no -386 bits there ? | 01:02 |
| ogra | (but l-r-m-generic installed) | 01:03 |
| Dekans|screen | no -386 | 01:03 |
| Dekans|screen | and l-r-m installed | 01:03 |
| Dekans|screen | all -generic | 01:03 |
| Dekans|screen | and nvidia-glx installed succesfully | 01:03 |
| Dekans|screen | but X server doesn't load | 01:03 |
| ogra | and if you reboot to -generic it doesnt work ?? | 01:04 |
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| Dekans|screen | i am on -generic | 01:04 |
| Dekans|screen | i have jsute the -generic kernel | 01:04 |
| Dekans|screen | and I just rebooted | 01:04 |
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| Kopfgeldjaeger | hi | 01:19 |
| Hobbsee | hiya | 01:21 |
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| ogra | hmm | 01:33 |
| ogra | ogra@laptop:~$ uname -a | 01:33 |
| ogra | Linux laptop 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Wed Oct 10 06:00:47 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux | 01:33 |
| ogra | ogra@laptop:~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx | 01:33 |
| ogra | Reading package lists... Done | 01:33 |
| ogra | Building dependency tree | 01:33 |
| ogra | Reading state information... Done | 01:33 |
| ogra | The following extra packages will be installed: | 01:33 |
| ogra | linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 nvidia-kernel-common | 01:33 |
| ogra | seems i can reproduce that ... | 01:33 |
| ogra | especially odd is: | 01:34 |
| ogra | ogra@laptop:~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux | 01:34 |
| ogra | Reading package lists... Done | 01:34 |
| ogra | Building dependency tree | 01:34 |
| ogra | Reading state information... Done | 01:34 |
| ogra | The following extra packages will be installed: | 01:34 |
| ogra | linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic | 01:34 |
| ogra | linux-restricted-modules-generic nvidia-kernel-common | 01:34 |
| ogra | though ... | 01:35 |
| ogra | ogra@laptop:~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic | 01:35 |
| ogra | Reading package lists... Done | 01:35 |
| ogra | Building dependency tree | 01:35 |
| ogra | Reading state information... Done | 01:35 |
| ogra | The following extra packages will be installed: | 01:35 |
| ogra | linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 nvidia-kernel-common | 01:35 |
| ogra | seems fine | 01:35 |
| ogra | err | 01:35 |
| Dekans|screen | fine ? | 01:35 |
| ogra | no, i'm blind | 01:35 |
| Dekans|screen | but i you install l-r-m -generic | 01:37 |
| Dekans|screen | nvidia-glx no requires -386 pacakges for installation | 01:37 |
| ogra | no, it doesnt | 01:37 |
| ogra | as several people told you now | 01:38 |
| Dekans|screen | but it's still unusable on -generic kernel :/ | 01:38 |
| ogra | it depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.9639 (which is provided by all l-r-m packages) | 01:38 |
| Dekans|screen | but it doesn't work | 01:39 |
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| Hobbsee | ogra: oh, well there's the bug then. | 01:39 |
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| ogra | Hobbsee, where ? i dont see it yet | 01:39 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: if it depends on a provided package, it'll pick the first lot of all of them, rather than the one that might be correct. | 01:39 |
| Hobbsee | sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ search nvidia-kernel-1.0.9639 | 01:39 |
| Hobbsee | linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 - Non-free Linux 2.6.22 modules on 386 | 01:39 |
| Hobbsee | linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic - Non-free Linux 2.6.22 modules on x86/x86_64 | 01:39 |
| Hobbsee | linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-rt - Non-free Linux 2.6.22 modules on Realtime kernel | 01:39 |
| Hobbsee | linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-xen - Non-free Linux 2.6.22 modules on Xen | 01:39 |
| ogra | all i see is that the wrong deps are picked | 01:39 |
| Hobbsee | exactly - and they are, because it depends on something provided by multiple packages | 01:40 |
| mjg59 | Do you have linux-generic installed? | 01:40 |
| Hobbsee | apt isnt smart enough to figure out *which* of the ones it's provided by it should take, so takes the first. | 01:40 |
| ogra | Hobbsee, yeah, but if i: LANG=C sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux ... with linux-generic installed it shouldnt pick -386 | 01:40 |
| Dekans|screen | it's not only a dependency problem | 01:41 |
| mjg59 | How are you managing to not have l-r-m installed if you have linux-generic installed? | 01:41 |
| ogra | oh, wait i have linux-image-generic, not plain -geneic | 01:41 |
| mjg59 | Right. You're doing it wrong. | 01:41 |
| ogra | ogra@laptop:~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-generic | 01:41 |
| ogra | Reading package lists... Done | 01:41 |
| ogra | Building dependency tree | 01:41 |
| ogra | Reading state information... Done | 01:41 |
| ogra | The following extra packages will be installed: | 01:41 |
| ogra | linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic nvidia-kernel-common | 01:41 |
| ogra | doesnt chaneg it | 01:41 |
| ogra | *change | 01:41 |
| mjg59 | If linux-generic is installed, is it happy? If not, there's an issue with the l-r-m generic package. | 01:42 |
| ogra | you mean if its there before installing nvidia-glx ? | 01:42 |
| mjg59 | Yes | 01:42 |
| ogra | well, that automatically pulls in l-r-m anyway | 01:43 |
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| Hobbsee | mine seems to behave properly - i cant reproduce the bug at all | 01:43 |
| Hobbsee | but i've seen the similar thing with apt, where it picks the wrong language. | 01:43 |
| ogra | the thing is that nvixia-glx seems to insist to install -386 in case there is no l-r-m-generic | 01:43 |
| Dekans|screen | mjg59: with l-r-m generic already installed, nividia-glx doesn't require -386, but the driver doesn't works | 01:43 |
| ogra | and i noticed the same prob with apparmor-modules | 01:43 |
| Dekans|screen | -s | 01:43 |
| Fujitsu | I'm not sure how that can be worked around... | 01:44 |
| Fujitsu | You can't specify conditional dependencies like that. | 01:44 |
| ogra | specifying linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic or linux-restricted-modules-generic should fulfill the dep and not make it want to install -386 | 01:44 |
| ogra | looks like a package system bug to me | 01:45 |
| ogra | Fujitsu, well, i dont package either of them :) i just stumbled across the same prob twice which made me look into it | 01:45 |
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| ogra | (i dont have any nvidia HW here :) ) | 01:46 |
| Dekans|screen | I have a nvidia Geforce 4 mx | 01:46 |
| Dekans|screen | and nvidia-glx driver desn't work | 01:46 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: nice use of uname -r if you can do it would be a good way to solve the bug. | 01:46 |
| Dekans|screen | even once installed succesfully | 01:46 |
| ogra | Hobbsee, dynamically in a dependency ? | 01:47 |
| Dekans|screen | do you read me ? | 01:47 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: yeah. but i dont know if it's possible, i've not tried it | 01:47 |
| ogra | the only thing i see that working would be a postinst script or so ... seems very hackish | 01:47 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: that's certainly not possible. | 01:47 |
| Hobbsee | Dekans|screen: that's then a different issue, and we dont tend to be the X people. | 01:47 |
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| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: fair enough. | 01:48 |
| Hobbsee | it was certainly there with the (if you can do it) - because i wasnt sure it was possible. | 01:48 |
| ogra | Dekans|screen, i'm mainly intrested in the dependency thing sorry, no X help here | 01:48 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: it probably works if you do apt-get install linux-generic nvidia-glx? | 01:48 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, nope | 01:48 |
| Dekans|screen | maybe the dependencies are due to this problem .... | 01:48 |
| ogra | ogra@laptop:~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-generic | 01:49 |
| ogra | Reading package lists... Done | 01:49 |
| ogra | Building dependency tree | 01:49 |
| ogra | Reading state information... Done | 01:49 |
| ogra | The following extra packages will be installed: | 01:49 |
| ogra | linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic nvidia-kernel-common | 01:49 |
| ogra | Suggested packages: | 01:49 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, ^^^^ | 01:49 |
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| mjg59 | Dekans|screen: No. If you have linux-generic installed (which you should do) there are no dependency issues. | 01:49 |
| ogra | and no, there is no -386 package anywhere on my system ... neither a half installed one or so | 01:49 |
| Dekans|screen | mjg59: yes :/ | 01:49 |
| mjg59 | So any problems you may have with it not working are unrelated to dependencies | 01:50 |
| Dekans|screen | the package itself is buggy | 01:53 |
| Dekans|screen | this bug is already on launchpad | 01:55 |
| Dekans|screen | but not the dependency issue | 01:56 |
| ogra | that seems to affect more than only nvidia-glx | 01:56 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: the mashed deps? | 01:57 |
| ogra | yeah | 01:57 |
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| Hobbsee | ogra: yeah, there was a bug about it about sword always being in arabic by default. | 01:58 |
| ogra | bug 148586 | 01:59 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 148586 in apparmor "Depends on linux-ubuntu-modules-386" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148586 | 01:59 |
| ogra | same issue it seems | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | or maybe it was bibletime | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | yup, found it. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bibletime/+bug/72116 | 01:59 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 72116 in bibletime "Bibletime installation defaults in Arabic" [Undecided,Fix released] | 01:59 |
| ogra | thats edgy ? | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | likely. it probably was that long ago | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | i fixed that in feisty, but didnt fix the underlying problem in apt. | 02:01 |
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| ogra | oh, ah | 02:01 |
| ogra | ok | 02:01 |
| Hobbsee | now you see? | 02:01 |
| ogra | i should read the bug forst :) | 02:01 |
| ogra | *firts | 02:01 |
| ogra | bah | 02:01 |
| Hobbsee | The recommends are sword-comm, sword-dict and sword-text, which are virtual packages which can be provided by several different packages. | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | There are 14 different packages that provide the sword-text component: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/virtual/sword-text | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | the first is the arabic, so apt selects the arabic, in brain-dead fashion. | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | same with l-r-m, as the i386 comes first | 02:02 |
| ogra | well, the language pack should care for that ... as in our case with l-r-m should be handled by linux-generic as mjg59 says | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | i'd guess that the nvidia thing goes l-r-m-i386 | -generic | -rt | -xen. | 02:03 |
| ogra | well, the bug here is that linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic fulfills the dep | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | oh indeed, but i think it tries the -i386 first | 02:05 |
| ogra | so apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic shouldnt demand -386 at all | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | says "oh, that's not installed, try that before anything else" | 02:05 |
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| ogra | WOAH | 02:06 |
| ogra | !!! | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | it works here, but i havent been able to reproduce the bug at all :) | 02:06 |
| === ogra cant belive it | ||
| Hobbsee | woah what? | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | what'd you find? | 02:06 |
| ogra | ogra@laptop:~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic | 02:06 |
| ogra | Reading package lists... Done | 02:06 |
| ogra | Building dependency tree | 02:06 |
| ogra | Reading state information... Done | 02:06 |
| ogra | The following extra packages will be installed: | 02:06 |
| ogra | linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 nvidia-kernel-common | 02:06 |
| ogra | versus ..... | 02:06 |
| ogra | ogra@laptop:~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic nvidia-glx | 02:06 |
| ogra | Reading package lists... Done | 02:06 |
| ogra | Building dependency tree | 02:06 |
| ogra | Reading state information... Done | 02:06 |
| ogra | The following extra packages will be installed: | 02:06 |
| ogra | nvidia-kernel-common | 02:06 |
| ogra | since when does order matter here ? | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | does apt fill the dependancies in the order that it's done? | 02:07 |
| ogra | it shouldnt ? | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | ie, package 1, do deps, package 2, add deps, ...? | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | would surprise me if it didnt. | 02:07 |
| === Fujitsu suspects aptitude would work better. | ||
| Hobbsee | sometime, i want to sit down and read the entire apt/libept source, and then hopefully sanitize some of the quirks out of it. but seeing as i dont have time for that anytime soon... | 02:07 |
| luk_ | lol | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | i've figured out the reasons for most of it's quirks - or at least, what they are, but i dont have the code-knowledge to go and fix them - and they tend to be hard to explain. | 02:08 |
| ogra | i dont think it did regard the commandline order in former releases .... | 02:09 |
| ogra | but i might be wrong (never tested that) | 02:09 |
| Fujitsu | ogra: I doubt that would have changed recently, but I wouldn't know. | 02:09 |
| ogra | to sad mvo isnt here | 02:09 |
| === Hobbsee notes that she has to write a mini-aptitude soon. argh. | ||
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: Why? | 02:09 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: computing assignment. | 02:09 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 02:10 |
| Fujitsu | Sounds like fun. | 02:10 |
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| bluefoxicy | Does anyone have a quick-and-dirty way for me to rebuild an entire repository from scratch? | 02:14 |
| bluefoxicy | I specifically want to rebuild main for Gutsy, or at least all packages installed when ubuntu-desktop is installed. | 02:14 |
| bluefoxicy | My goal is to fiddle with compile flags and do boot chart tests; I want an i586 and i686 compiled base system for boot chart benching in particular | 02:15 |
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| mjg59 | We're CPU-limited during boot? | 02:16 |
| persia | bluefoxicy: `for package in $(cat ubuntu-desktop-seed) do apt-get --build install $package; done` is a very bad way to do that. | 02:17 |
| bluefoxicy | mjg59: No, old old argument. And general curiousity. | 02:17 |
| bluefoxicy | mjg59: (disclaimer: OpenSuSE seems to be built entirely for i586) | 02:18 |
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| mjg59 | What extra instructions does i586 get you? | 02:19 |
| bluefoxicy | hell if I know. | 02:19 |
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| mjg59 | I can't see any reason why building for i586 would be preferable to building for i486 | 02:20 |
| mjg59 | We optimise for 686. anyway | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | damned wifi kill switch | 02:20 |
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| bluefoxicy | I know. There's some CMOV insn on i686 specifically that apparently gets used in optimized code but I doubt it's significant | 02:21 |
| mjg59 | We support machines that don't have CMOV | 02:21 |
| bluefoxicy | yeah I know. | 02:21 |
| mjg59 | It's an optional part of the 686 ABI | 02:21 |
| bluefoxicy | mjg59: I'm peeking at http://linux.1wt.eu/kernel/2.4/lkup/x86-emu/2.4/patch-2.4.25-wt2-emux86-0.3 actually to figure out what the technical difference is :) | 02:23 |
| bluefoxicy | Besides, there's other kinds of fun stuff to do once you can rebuild ubuntu from scratch. Like fiddle with gcc flags that tend to break things :D | 02:23 |
| bluefoxicy | (I used to run gentoo, and reinstall 10 times a week) | 02:24 |
| StevenK | bluefoxicy: Dig up. | 02:24 |
| bluefoxicy | (I'm sure you can guess why) | 02:24 |
| bluefoxicy | StevenK: ? | 02:24 |
| StevenK | bluefoxicy: As in, "That's a nice hole you've dug yourself into." :-) | 02:24 |
| bluefoxicy | StevenK: why? I like fiddling with things and seeing what comes out. | 02:25 |
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| sladen | rulus: what's the bug number? | 02:47 |
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| unggnu | hi all | 03:12 |
| unggnu | What do you think about this Bug #150777 according security. | 03:12 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 150777 in gnome-power-manager "in gutsy, screen locks on lid close even when gconf option is turned off" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150777 | 03:12 |
| unggnu | Maybe screensaver locking should be activated per default so it would give same security like before but more flexibility. | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | it's not a decision to be made at this point of the release cycle, that's for certain. | 03:13 |
| unggnu | :( | 03:14 |
| unggnu | It is not a huge change. | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | unuggu: that patch is a major change in the default security policy (no locking for anybody instead of locking for everybody after suspend/hibernate), please discuss such massive changes with the security people via the ubuntu-devel-discuss or ubuntu-devel lists first. | 03:14 |
| unggnu | And Feisty needs gconf-editor changes too | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | and it's not a milestoned bug | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | !timebasedreleases | 03:14 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 03:14 |
| unggnu | Hobbsee, If screen saver locking is activated per default there is no different behavior. | 03:15 |
| unggnu | but Ok, embarrassing but easy to fix for people who know where to edit gconf | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | this is not the mailing list, btw. | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | you were told what to do | 03:16 |
| highvoltage | is Gobuntu shipping with IceWeasel and IceDove? | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | good question. does #gobuntu know? | 03:31 |
| highvoltage | Hobbsee: currently, it seems that I AM #gobuntu :) | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | oh, so it probably doesnt exist. | 03:32 |
| highvoltage | Hobbsee: looking at the gobuntu-desktop metapackage, it seems that it is still firefox and thunderbird | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | i thought there was an irc channel for it | 03:32 |
| highvoltage | Hobbsee: also, I can't find iceweasel and icedove in the ubuntu archives :/ | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | yes, i suspect they're not ther | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | i'm unsure of the status of gobuntu - perhaps ask on their mailing list | 03:32 |
| highvoltage | Hobbsee: seems like the first version of Gobuntu will have FF and TB then | 03:32 |
| highvoltage | Hobbsee: I have a few weeks back, and I was told that it will be Iceweasel, etc. perhaps I should just ask again.. | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | highvoltage: who knows if development stalled, or something. *shrug* | 03:33 |
| sladen | it would be a bit embarassying it Goubuntu goes out with stuff it shouldn't be doing | 03:34 |
| highvoltage | Hobbsee: Evan comfirmed that Gobuntu will indeed be shipping on the 18th, but I think sladen might be right, I don't think Gobuntu will be shipping like we'd all want it to in this release | 03:36 |
| unggnu | Hobbsee, done, I hope in the right way :) | 03:36 |
| popey | :S | 03:36 |
| highvoltage | sladen: also, you have excess vowels :) | 03:36 |
| popey | better than having excess bowels | 03:36 |
| highvoltage | indeed! | 03:36 |
| Spads | word on the street is sladen is a ruminant | 03:38 |
| highvoltage | Peter Petrelli | 03:39 |
| highvoltage | sorry, accidental paste! | 03:39 |
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| rulus | sladen, I did not file a bug report yet | 04:05 |
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| sladen | rulus: that probably needs to be the next course of action; anything on IRC will get scrolled off the top of the screen... | 04:15 |
| rulus | sladen: I'm working on it | 04:15 |
| sladen | rulus: btw, is boots incredibly slowly because it's performing a fsck? | 04:16 |
| rulus | sladen: no I think not | 04:16 |
| rulus | sladen: I shall attach dmesg's of both quick and slow boot | 04:17 |
| rulus | sladen: shall I file it against usplash? because I really don't know if both problems (slow boot, no usplash) are related. | 04:17 |
| rulus | it's bug 152643, I'll attach dmesg in a minute | 04:21 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 152643 in ubuntu "[gutsy] slow boot except when pressing ctrl+alt+f1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152643 | 04:21 |
| sladen | rulus: [ 28.721183] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. 115seconds... | 04:28 |
| rulus | I'm no expert :) | 04:29 |
| sladen | rulus: hence ~40 seconds + 115seconds fsck == ~164 slow boot | 04:29 |
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| rulus | sladen, yes it takes 2m50s wich is 164s | 04:31 |
| sladen | rulus: you can read off the number of seconds from the first column of the dmesgs | 04:31 |
| sladen | rulus: they're pretty similar except for the additional 2minutes of disk check | 04:31 |
| rulus | yes I knew that, but I didn't extract the disk checking thing | 04:32 |
| sladen | rulus: can you try repeating the experience. Obviviously, it would be a bug if usplash always caused a fsck | 04:32 |
| rulus | sladen, repeating? I tested it a few times and it always boots up in ~2m50s | 04:33 |
| rulus | sladen, except when pressing ctrl+alt+f1 that is | 04:34 |
| sladen | rulus: could you test once more? We know /why/ the boot can either be 40seconds, or 160seconds. Such a direction relationship (or interaction) between fsck and usplash is a very interesting case | 04:36 |
| rulus | sladen, ok, I'll test again | 04:37 |
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| rulus | sladen, always ~2m50s, pressing ctrl+alt+f1 seems to break the process and let boot continue immediately | 04:45 |
| sladen | rulus: is something sitting at a prompt when you switch over | 04:54 |
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| sladen | rulus: is there anything on the console when you switch? | 04:54 |
| rulus | sladen, yes there is, I'll check the exact text now | 04:55 |
| rulus | sladen, 3 lines from kinit, last one says "kinit: No resume image, doing normal boot..." | 04:58 |
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| Hobbsee | guten morgen, pitti! | 05:17 |
| === pitti hugs Hobbsee and wishes her a good Monday | ||
| === Hobbsee hugs pitti back, and wishes for a monday better than the last | ||
| stgraber | hi pitti | 05:18 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: hey, I just returned from Sunday afternoon cake&coffee at my parent's :) | 05:19 |
| pitti | hi stgraber | 05:19 |
| albertito | what's the criteria for deciding if a bug gets "nominated for release"? who decides that? (I just saw that on launchpad and got curious about how that socially worked) | 05:19 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: sounds like fun | 05:19 |
| stgraber | ogra: I'm trying today daily builds and see that there is the "suspend" option available in the live environment, is that wanted ? (hibernate isn't there though) | 05:20 |
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| sladen | stgraber: suspend will probably work; hibernate needs swap, boot commandlines and the like all setup | 05:22 |
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| bluekuja | pitti: around? | 05:42 |
| bluekuja | pitti: just wanted to let you know nagios-plugins upload is a security fix and it's linked to bug #152624 | 05:43 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 152624 in nagios-plugins "Buffer overflow in check_http.c (CVE-2007-5198)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152624 | 05:43 |
| luk_ | uploaded to Debian unstable earlier today... | 05:43 |
| bluekuja | yeah, exactly | 05:43 |
| DktrKranz | luk_, merged from that :) | 05:44 |
| bluekuja | merged from incoming | 05:44 |
| bluekuja | ^^ | 05:44 |
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| Hobbsee | okay, who added frozen bubble? | 06:29 |
| Hobbsee | that's seriously cool - and addicting. | 06:29 |
| bluekuja | Hobbsee: you still cant approve? | 06:29 |
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| Hobbsee | bluekuja: technically, i can, but i've been asked not to, until one of the bugs in launchpad gets fixed. | 06:29 |
| Hobbsee | (it's not generating mail) | 06:30 |
| bluekuja | aww oki | 06:30 |
| bluekuja | yeah, seen your mail | 06:30 |
| bluekuja | on the ml before | 06:30 |
| Hobbsee | yup | 06:31 |
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| mhb | Keybuk: sorry for not approving your post at that time, I was in a train. | 08:00 |
| mhb | Keybuk: (your comment on my blog about hiding blueprint names) | 08:01 |
| Keybuk | mhb: heh, wasn't worried about the approving bit - just caught me by surprise when it vanished on another machine :p | 08:02 |
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| Whoopie | Hi, with latest subversion from feisty-proposed, I get the following error: "svn: Unbekanntes URL Schema fr 'http://svn.tuxonice.net/hibernate-script/trunk'" | 09:44 |
| Whoopie | "svn: unknown URL schema" | 09:45 |
| Whoopie | is that a known issue? | 09:45 |
| pochu | Whoopie: yes, it is. | 09:57 |
| pochu | bug 152394 | 09:57 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 152394 in subversion "ra_dav missing in subversion" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152394 | 09:57 |
| Whoopie | pochu: ok, thanks | 09:59 |
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| pitti | kylem: still here by chance? | 10:18 |
| kylem | yes. | 10:18 |
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| Kopfgeldjaeger | n8 | 10:55 |
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| sladen | power consumption up---well at least we have a challenge for the next one | 11:13 |
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| slangasek | ogra: does this gnome-power-manager 2.20.0-0ubuntu6 upload correspond to a bug #? | 11:24 |
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