Creteilwell, rebooted on the new kernel and installed the new headers package generated during kernel rebuilding and this time update manager saying there is 1 package broken12:33
TheMusoslangasek: Thanks a lot.12:34
Creteilso i have removed the headers package i have generated the same time i have rebuilded the kernel and compiled module with probably old headers ...12:34
Creteilmjg59 : does it make sense to you ?12:34
Creteilmjg59 : so if i understand properly i have just to reinstall the headers packages generated the same time i rebuilded the  kernel, the recompile l-u-m again this one ? true ?12:36
Creteilthanks, i immediatly give it a try, compiling, dpkg -i the new package, rebooting and come back here to thank you :-)12:37
Creteilmjg59 : btw how do you clean the already made compilation of l-u-m ?12:39
mjg59fakeroot debian/rules clean12:40
Creteilmjg59 : thanks12:40
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Creteilmjg59 : well, recompiled l-u-m against new headers, dpkg -i the new modules, now it's time to reboot, stay tuned i come back ...12:52
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TheMusoHmm, interesting. I see my ubuntustudio uploads were accepted, one closing the bug, but I haven't received anything from Soyuz, so far as I've seen...01:16
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TheMusoAnd nothing on gutsy changes either...01:17
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TheMusoAh well.01:17
Creteilmjg59 : always up ?01:17
ScottKTheMuso: Hobbsee was accepting via the LP web ui and there's a bug where stuff accepted via there webui forgets to get sent to changes.01:18
TheMusoScottK: Ok thanks.01:18
Creteilmjg59 : bad news, even all things seems to be well (compilation, installation) the computer boot, but stay blocked at 'Starting log daemon ...' since i have installed the new modules ... however booting without splash and with vga=normal parameter, i can see iwl3945 loading properly (these one is part of the new module i have compiled).01:21
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Creteilmjg59 : do you have any idea on where I can made mistake ?01:22
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TheMusodoko_: Thanks.02:14
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janimoany release manager around?09:34
Hobbseeyeah, some of us09:35
Hobbseejanimo: ^09:37
janimoHobbsee: I read your mail to devel09:37
janimoI'd like an upload approved09:38
Hobbseejanimo: right09:38
Hobbseeoh, i see what i've written.  i can still ask others to approve, etc.09:38
Hobbsee(which i didnt stick in the mail.  damn)09:39
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lucahi everyone09:40
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lucaI would like to add a hack into knetworkmanager but I do not have any programming competence whatsoever...can someone help me or tell me where to go for starting? :)09:41
janimoHobbsee: so I'd like xubuntu-default-settings which I uploaded last night to get approved09:41
Hobbseeslangasek: if you're still around...please ^09:42
Hobbseethanks Mithrandir09:43
sladenluca: generally you'll need the source code (easy: apt-get source knetworkmanager) and some help and guidance (start at #kubuntu, and look around for Qt, KDE and NetworkManager related programming resources and IRC channels)09:51
lucasladen thanks09:53
lucaI would like to add a simple hack - after suspension the program should switch to "offline mode" and then again to "online mode" - there is a known bug which makes the applet not detectin the wireless networks around otherwise09:54
luca(it's knetworkmanager only - wlassistant functions after suspension without glitches)09:54
lucasladen where would apt-get source put the source package?09:56
Hobbseecurrent directory09:56
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lucaHobbsee thanks10:00
lucanow I just have to understand how to hack it :P10:00
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lucacan someone point me to some good online qt resources please?10:07
Mithrandirluca: this channel is for development of Ubuntu, not development on Ubuntu.10:08
lucaok sorry :) a good channel then would be what? I am asking here because both in #kubuntu and in #kde I am not recieving answers10:09
pwnguinhi luca10:13
pwnguinoh, luca's a common name in italy i guess. i know Debian developer with the same first name10:14
lucayep it is10:16
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pwnguini really dont know where qt developers lurk though. #qt maybe?10:17
lucatryin in ubuntu-motu now10:17
lucaI'll try #qt thanks though :D10:17
Hobbsee#kde-devel would be a decnt idea10:18
Hobbseeno, not #ubuntu-motu10:18
lucathanks :)10:19
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Burgundaviaam I cracked or did we back away from shipping Gnash by default?10:35
lucahope not10:36
Burgundaviadoesn't appear to be installed on my machine10:36
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sladenit was in the release notes10:39
Burgundaviait was, which is so odd10:39
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minghuaI don't think my beta install has gnash installed by default either.10:43
minghuaI also don't remember reading "gnash installed by default" in release notes.10:44
persiaonly mozilla-plugin-gnash depends on gnash, and it doesn't appear to have any reverse dependencies excepting education-standalone10:44
Burgundaviabut that was the plan, I thought10:44
minghuaI think it's better not installed by default.10:45
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Burgundaviahas anybody noticed deskbar applet crashing and hanging a lot?10:50
sladenBurgundavia: it's not a case of whether anyone else has noticed.  If *you* have experienced deskbar crashing and hanging then that is a bug and needs filing10:50
Burgundaviawell, I have seen a lot of general instability10:51
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sladen"general instablity" is about as hard as "general FUD" to fix10:52
Burgundaviayes, I know that10:52
Burgundaviahence why I haven't filed a bug yet10:52
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Burgundaviaugh, how do I run gdb on an applet?10:55
pochuBurgundavia: look for the process, and attach it10:57
pochugdb --pid=number10:57
Burgundaviagot it10:58
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Burgundaviatypical. Just when I get the dbgsym package installs, I cannot replicate the crash11:01
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ograpitti, !11:09
Burgundaviahey ogra11:09
Burgundaviahey pitti11:09
ograpitti, i'm doing the last fine tuning on g-p-m settings ... there is an option to lock the gnome keyring after suspend/hibernate (we already lock the screen) should that be on or off ?11:10
ogra(its a new option)11:11
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StevenKMorning pitti11:11
k0001hello people =)11:11
pittihi StevenK11:11
k0001i have a little problems, and i'd like to know how can i help you11:12
pittiogra: what's the upstream default?11:12
ograupstream default is to use screensaver settings for all locking11:12
ograwe dont do that, which means i have four more fine grained options to set11:13
pittithat makes some sense11:13
ograi dont think g-s-s does any geyring locking11:13
ogra*keyring :)11:13
k0001my nautilus keep dying randomly (sometimes after 5 minutes, sometimes after 1 hour) when browsing a ssh remote server, and i have to manually `pkill nautilus` so that it gets fully functional again, how can i help with this? (using up-to-date ubuntu gutsy (gnome 2.20))11:15
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ograk0001, file a bug11:15
pittimeh, palmer is dead11:15
ograor comment on an existing one if someone already had the same prob11:15
Burgundaviapitti: I am running into a nasty bug with deskbar, apparently seen by others by so far impossible to trace source: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deskbar-applet/+bug/15055911:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 150559 in deskbar-applet "[gutsy]  deskbar applet locks up during first search after startup" [Medium,Incomplete] 11:16
k0001ogra, and what useful information could i provide  (for debugging or whatever )11:16
ograthe people getting the bugmail for nautilus will tell you :)11:16
k0001ok ogra , thanks =)11:16
ograthere are some wiki pages about debugging program crashes as well with some hints :)11:16
persiak0001: You'll probably get better answers to questions about correct information for a bug in #ubuntu-bugs.11:16
k0001oh, thanks persia , i'll ask there then11:17
k0001keep the good work =)11:17
Burgundaviaabout the start hammering away at the reason, but I wonder if I can find the cause, how do I tag it for a release manager to look at?11:17
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rulusHi, my pc boots incredibly slow except when I press ctrl+alt+f1 upon boot. Can this be a usplash bug (usplash doesn't work either)? Both problems occur on the RC, beta worked fine.11:18
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ogradoes anyone else have suid warnings fron gtk in his ~/.xsession-errors ?11:20
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Kmosogra: I've :)11:23
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Kmosogra: http://pastebin.com/d7fe6f5b311:35
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ograKmos, thanks11:38
=== ogra thought it was xgl related ... but apparently you dont have xgl or compiz running there
Kmosogra: nop.. only metacity =) my video card doesn't support compiz11:38
ogralooks like something that even starts before the gdm session11:38
Kmosbecause the process isn't running anymore11:39
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Kmosthere is a way to see what process was in a PID ?11:39
Kmoskmos      4838  0.0  0.6  26760  6960 ?        Ssl  10:15   0:00 x-session-manager11:40
Kmosroot      4940  0.0  0.4   6288  4364 ?        S    10:15   0:00 ddclient - sleeping for 140 seconds11:40
Kmosi've only that, it's somethingin the middle11:40
Kmosanother thing11:41
KmosOct 14 10:32:29 kmos ntpd_initres[5562] : ntpd returns a permission denied error!11:41
Kmosat syslog11:41
Kmoscheck if you've the same11:42
ograwell, even then, how should htpd use gtk ?11:42
ograits gtk thats complaining11:42
Kmosit's another error11:42
Kmosnot related to gtk11:42
ograi dont run ntpd anyway11:43
Kmosi need to check LP11:43
ograOct 14 11:30:55 laptop ntpdate[5981] : step time server offset -6.676236 sec11:43
ograOct 14 11:33:29 laptop ntpdate[6234] : adjust time server offset -0.006585 sec11:43
Kmosit's nice11:43
ograntpdate works fine here though11:43
ogra(its executed automatically on ifup if you dont have ntpd installed)11:44
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unggnuhi all11:46
unggnuDoes it make sense to mark all the i810 driver resolution and external monitor bugs as a duplicate of this one bug #1351411:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 13514 in linux-source-2.6.15 "No keyboard with 2.6.10-4-386-SMP (Hoary)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1351411:46
unggnuups sorry, wrong bug11:47
unggnubug #13514111:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135141 in xorg "Gutsy: Intel should be preferred over 810" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13514111:47
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ograso, its apparently the capp to gdmflexiserver in /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default thats causing the setuid warning12:00
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ograwhich is weird, since gdmflexiserver actually isnt suid12:01
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Kmosogra: that's strange..12:06
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ograKmos, Bug #15257712:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152577 in gdm "call to gdmflexiserver in /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default causes gtk setuid warning" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15257712:09
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Kmosogra: nice12:21
ografeel free to confirm if you can reproduce12:22
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Kmosogra: i set it also to medium12:23
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Kmos/etc/X11/Xsession.d/40guidance-displayconfig_restore: 11: /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore: not found12:26
Kmosthis isn't a problem os displaygtk-config ?12:26
ograKmos, so can you confirm it goes away if you comment the two commands ?12:26
ogra(you didnt say that in the bug comment)12:26
Kmosogra: i need to restart X, i'll do it later12:27
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Kmoskmos@bash:~$ dpkg -l /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore12:28
KmosNo packages found matching /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore.12:28
ograits in displayconfig-gtk (which you probably dont have installed)12:29
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Kmosthe problem is that i've it installed12:30
Kmosdisplayconfig-gtk is already the newest version.12:30
mjg59Kmos: -S12:31
Kmoskmos@bash:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore12:31
Kmosdpkg: /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore not found.12:31
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mjg59Anyway, it's an issue with guidance-backends12:31
mjg59Probably harmless12:31
ograits from kde-guidance :P12:32
ograwell, it could need a 2>/dev/null or so to be quiet12:32
ograin the session script12:32
ogramjg59, since i have you here, any opinion on locking gnome-keyring during hibernate/suspend ? g-p-m offers that now12:33
mjg59I have no opinion on it12:34
mjg59I suspect that changing it now would be too late12:34
ograwell, changes can go in until tomorrow ... and its a trivial gconf default key change12:35
mjg59But we have no idea how it interacts with the user experience12:36
ograi need to turn off locking on blank by default anyway (apparently thats an upstream default now and g-p-m sees brightness changes as screen blanking)12:36
ograwell, it will pop up a gnome-keyring PW dialog directly after you unlocked the screen after suspend/hibernate12:36
ograi think we should disable it since we already go with the locking by default12:37
mjg59I think it's too late to change it12:37
Dekans|screenI have a little trouble12:37
Dekans|screenit seems that nvidia-glx depends on i386 kernel on Gutsy12:38
ograthen i'll only set the /apps/gnome-power-manager/lock/blank_screen key to false ...12:38
mjg59Dekans|screen: No it doesn't12:38
Dekans|screenet restricted-manager(-kde) requires the i386 kernel too12:38
Dekans|screenyesterday it was the case12:39
mjg59No it wasn't12:39
Hobbseeuh, no it doesnt.12:39
ograit depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.963912:40
ograwhich is provided by any of the linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14- packages12:40
Dekans|screenI couldn't launch restricted-manager, because of my kernel12:41
Dekans|screenand when i installed nvidia-glx, i had i386 kernel installed12:42
Dekans|screenand no 3D acceleration on i686 kernel12:42
Dekans|screenlook :12:44
Dekans|screen~$ install nvidia-glx12:44
Dekans|screenLes NOUVEAUX paquets suivants seront installs:12:44
Dekans|screenlinux-image-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common12:44
ogratry that: "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux"12:45
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Dekans|screenLes NOUVEAUX paquets suivants seront installs:12:46
Dekans|screen  linux linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic12:46
Dekans|screen  nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common12:46
Dekans|screenthe same :/12:46
ograno, it installes the right modules (-generic flavor) alongside12:47
Dekans|screenyes but the -386 shouldn't be installed12:48
Hobbseesarah@LongPointyStick:~$ rdepends linux-restricted-modules-38612:48
HobbseeReverse Depends:12:48
Hobbsee  restricted-manager-core12:48
Hobbsee  linux-38612:48
ogramjg59, i noticed matthiaz had the ssame prob with the apparmor modules ... if linux and l-r-m isnt installed they somehow pick -386 as their first option12:48
Dekans|screenso l-r-m must be installed first12:49
ograrestricted-manager-core --> Recommends: linux-restricted-modules-generic | linux-restricted-modules-38612:49
ograHobbsee, thas fine12:49
Hobbseeogra: ah yes, just found that.12:49
Hobbseeogra: are linux and l-r-m virtual packages, or actual packages?12:50
ogradont get tricked by the rdepends option (ask colin how often he corrected me on that :P )12:50
Hobbseeoh, i was still getting back to that bit :)12:50
ogralinux-restricted-modules-generic/-386 are virtual, yes12:50
ogralinux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-* arent ...12:51
Dekans|screeni test it12:51
ograDekans|screen, just uninstall linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 afterwards12:51
HobbseeDekans|screen: i cant reproduce this - using a -generic kernel, and isntalling nvidia-glx12:53
HobbseeDekans|screen: what version of nvidia-glx?12:53
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ograHobbsee, but you have the linux package installed i suspect12:54
ogra(before even trying)12:55
Hobbseeogra: nope.12:55
Dekans|screenHobbsee: 963912:58
Dekans|screenwithout -386 packages X server doesn't run12:58
Dekans|screenHobbsee: nvidia-glx is the 9639 version of nvidia driver12:59
ograthats the recent one12:59
ograDekans|screen, the complete version sting would be more helpful though12:59
Dekans|screenyes sure :p12:59
ogradpkg -l nvidia-glx01:00
ograyeah thats current01:00
Dekans|screenit's what i said01:01
Dekans|screenno 3D acceleration on generic kernel01:01
Dekans|screeni don't wanna install the 386 one01:02
Dekans|screenso there is a real dependency problem01:02
ograso you have a system with plain -generic now ? no -386 bits there ?01:02
ogra(but l-r-m-generic installed)01:03
Dekans|screenno -38601:03
Dekans|screenand l-r-m installed01:03
Dekans|screenall -generic01:03
Dekans|screenand nvidia-glx installed succesfully01:03
Dekans|screenbut X server doesn't load01:03
ograand if you reboot to -generic it doesnt work ??01:04
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Dekans|screeni am on -generic01:04
Dekans|screeni have jsute the -generic kernel01:04
Dekans|screenand I just rebooted01:04
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ograogra@laptop:~$ uname -a01:33
ograLinux laptop 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Wed Oct 10 06:00:47 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux01:33
ograogra@laptop:~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx01:33
ograReading package lists... Done01:33
ograBuilding dependency tree01:33
ograReading state information... Done01:33
ograThe following extra packages will be installed:01:33
ogra  linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 nvidia-kernel-common01:33
ograseems i can reproduce that ...01:33
ograespecially odd is:01:34
ograogra@laptop:~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux01:34
ograReading package lists... Done01:34
ograBuilding dependency tree01:34
ograReading state information... Done01:34
ograThe following extra packages will be installed:01:34
ogra  linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic01:34
ogra  linux-restricted-modules-generic nvidia-kernel-common01:34
ograthough ...01:35
ograogra@laptop:~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic01:35
ograReading package lists... Done01:35
ograBuilding dependency tree01:35
ograReading state information... Done01:35
ograThe following extra packages will be installed:01:35
ogra  linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 nvidia-kernel-common01:35
ograseems fine01:35
Dekans|screenfine ?01:35
ograno, i'm blind01:35
Dekans|screenbut i you install l-r-m -generic01:37
Dekans|screennvidia-glx no requires -386 pacakges for installation01:37
ograno, it doesnt01:37
ograas several people told you now01:38
Dekans|screenbut it's still unusable on -generic kernel :/01:38
ograit depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.9639 (which is provided by all l-r-m packages)01:38
Dekans|screenbut it doesn't work01:39
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Hobbseeogra: oh, well there's the bug then.01:39
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ograHobbsee, where ? i dont see it yet01:39
Hobbseeogra: if it depends on a provided package, it'll pick the first lot of all of them, rather than the one that might be correct.01:39
Hobbseesarah@LongPointyStick:~$ search nvidia-kernel-1.0.963901:39
Hobbseelinux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 - Non-free Linux 2.6.22 modules on 38601:39
Hobbseelinux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic - Non-free Linux 2.6.22 modules on x86/x86_6401:39
Hobbseelinux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-rt - Non-free Linux 2.6.22 modules on Realtime kernel01:39
Hobbseelinux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-xen - Non-free Linux 2.6.22 modules on Xen01:39
ograall i see is that the wrong deps are picked01:39
Hobbseeexactly - and they are, because it depends on something provided by multiple packages01:40
mjg59Do you have linux-generic installed?01:40
Hobbseeapt isnt smart enough to figure out *which* of the ones it's provided by it should take, so takes the first.01:40
ograHobbsee, yeah, but if i: LANG=C sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux ... with linux-generic installed it shouldnt pick -38601:40
Dekans|screenit's not only a dependency problem01:41
mjg59How are you managing to not have l-r-m installed if you have linux-generic installed?01:41
ograoh, wait i have linux-image-generic, not plain -geneic01:41
mjg59Right. You're doing it wrong.01:41
ograogra@laptop:~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-generic01:41
ograReading package lists... Done01:41
ograBuilding dependency tree01:41
ograReading state information... Done01:41
ograThe following extra packages will be installed:01:41
ogra  linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic nvidia-kernel-common01:41
ogradoesnt chaneg it01:41
mjg59If linux-generic is installed, is it happy? If not, there's an issue with the l-r-m generic package.01:42
ograyou mean if its there before installing nvidia-glx ?01:42
ograwell, that automatically pulls in l-r-m anyway01:43
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Hobbseemine seems to behave properly - i cant reproduce the bug at all01:43
Hobbseebut i've seen the similar thing with apt, where it picks the wrong language.01:43
ograthe thing is that nvixia-glx seems to insist to install -386 in case there is no l-r-m-generic01:43
Dekans|screenmjg59: with l-r-m generic already installed, nividia-glx doesn't require -386, but the driver doesn't works01:43
ograand i noticed the same prob with apparmor-modules01:43
FujitsuI'm not sure how that can be worked around...01:44
FujitsuYou can't specify conditional dependencies like that.01:44
ograspecifying linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic or linux-restricted-modules-generic should fulfill the dep and not make it want to install -38601:44
ogralooks like a package system bug to me01:45
ograFujitsu, well, i dont package either of them :) i just stumbled across the same prob twice which made me look into it01:45
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ogra(i dont have any nvidia HW here :) )01:46
Dekans|screenI have a nvidia Geforce 4 mx01:46
Dekans|screenand nvidia-glx driver desn't work01:46
Hobbseeogra: nice use of uname -r if you can do it would be a good way to solve the bug.01:46
Dekans|screeneven once installed succesfully01:46
ograHobbsee, dynamically in a dependency ?01:47
Dekans|screendo you read me ?01:47
Hobbseeogra: yeah.  but i dont know if it's possible, i've not tried it01:47
ograthe only thing i see that working would be a postinst script or so ... seems very hackish01:47
MithrandirHobbsee: that's certainly not possible.01:47
HobbseeDekans|screen: that's then a different issue, and we dont tend to be the X people.01:47
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HobbseeMithrandir: fair enough.01:48
Hobbseeit was certainly there with the (if you can do it) - because i wasnt sure it was possible.01:48
ograDekans|screen, i'm mainly intrested in the dependency thing sorry, no X help here01:48
Mithrandirogra: it probably works if you do apt-get install linux-generic nvidia-glx?01:48
ograMithrandir, nope01:48
Dekans|screenmaybe the dependencies are due to this problem ....01:48
ograogra@laptop:~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-generic01:49
ograReading package lists... Done01:49
ograBuilding dependency tree01:49
ograReading state information... Done01:49
ograThe following extra packages will be installed:01:49
ogra  linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic nvidia-kernel-common01:49
ograSuggested packages:01:49
ograMithrandir, ^^^^01:49
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mjg59Dekans|screen: No. If you have linux-generic installed (which you should do) there are no dependency issues.01:49
ograand no, there is no -386 package anywhere on my system ... neither a half installed one or so01:49
Dekans|screenmjg59: yes :/01:49
mjg59So any problems you may have with it not working are unrelated to dependencies01:50
Dekans|screenthe package itself is buggy01:53
Dekans|screenthis bug is already on launchpad01:55
Dekans|screenbut not the dependency issue01:56
ograthat seems to affect more than only nvidia-glx01:56
Hobbseeogra: the mashed deps?01:57
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Hobbseeogra: yeah, there was a bug about it about sword always being in arabic by default.01:58
ograbug 14858601:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 148586 in apparmor "Depends on linux-ubuntu-modules-386" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14858601:59
ograsame issue it seems01:59
Hobbseeor maybe it was bibletime01:59
Hobbseeyup, found it.  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bibletime/+bug/7211601:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 72116 in bibletime "Bibletime installation defaults in Arabic" [Undecided,Fix released] 01:59
ograthats edgy ?02:00
Hobbseelikely.  it probably was that long ago02:00
Hobbseei fixed that in feisty, but didnt fix the underlying problem in apt.02:01
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ograoh, ah02:01
Hobbseenow you see?02:01
ograi should read the bug forst :)02:01
HobbseeThe recommends are sword-comm, sword-dict and sword-text, which are virtual packages which can be provided by several different packages.02:02
HobbseeThere are 14 different packages that provide the sword-text component: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/virtual/sword-text02:02
Hobbseethe first is the arabic, so apt selects the arabic, in brain-dead fashion.02:02
Hobbseesame with l-r-m, as the i386 comes first02:02
ograwell, the language pack should care for that ... as in our case with l-r-m should be handled by linux-generic as mjg59 says02:03
Hobbseei'd guess that the nvidia thing goes l-r-m-i386 | -generic | -rt | -xen.02:03
ograwell, the bug here is that linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic fulfills the dep02:04
Hobbseeoh indeed, but i think it tries the -i386 first02:05
ograso  apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic shouldnt demand -386 at all02:05
Hobbseesays "oh, that's not installed, try that before anything else"02:05
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Hobbseeit works here, but i havent been able to reproduce the bug at all :)02:06
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Hobbseewoah what?02:06
Hobbseewhat'd you find?02:06
ograogra@laptop:~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic02:06
ograReading package lists... Done02:06
ograBuilding dependency tree02:06
ograReading state information... Done02:06
ograThe following extra packages will be installed:02:06
ogra  linux-image-2.6.22-14-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 nvidia-kernel-common02:06
ograversus .....02:06
ograogra@laptop:~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic nvidia-glx02:06
ograReading package lists... Done02:06
ograBuilding dependency tree02:06
ograReading state information... Done02:06
ograThe following extra packages will be installed:02:06
ogra  nvidia-kernel-common02:06
ograsince when does order matter here ?02:06
Hobbseedoes apt fill the dependancies in the order that it's done?02:07
ograit shouldnt ?02:07
Hobbseeie, package 1, do deps, package 2, add deps, ...?02:07
Hobbseewould surprise me if it didnt.02:07
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Hobbseesometime, i want to sit down and read the entire apt/libept source, and then hopefully sanitize some of the quirks out of it.  but seeing as i dont have time for that anytime soon...02:07
Hobbseei've figured out the reasons for most of it's quirks - or at least, what they are, but i dont have the code-knowledge to go and fix them - and they tend to be hard to explain.02:08
ograi dont think it did regard the commandline order in former releases ....02:09
ograbut i might be wrong (never tested that)02:09
Fujitsuogra: I doubt that would have changed recently, but I wouldn't know.02:09
ograto sad mvo isnt here02:09
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FujitsuHobbsee: Why?02:09
HobbseeFujitsu: computing assignment.02:09
FujitsuSounds like fun.02:10
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bluefoxicyDoes anyone have a quick-and-dirty way for me to rebuild an entire repository from scratch?02:14
bluefoxicyI specifically want to rebuild main for Gutsy, or at least all packages installed when ubuntu-desktop is installed.02:14
bluefoxicyMy goal is to fiddle with compile flags and do boot chart tests; I want an i586 and i686 compiled base system for boot chart benching in particular02:15
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mjg59We're CPU-limited during boot?02:16
persiabluefoxicy: `for package in $(cat ubuntu-desktop-seed) do apt-get --build install $package; done` is a very bad way to do that.02:17
bluefoxicymjg59:  No, old old argument.  And general curiousity.02:17
bluefoxicymjg59:  (disclaimer:  OpenSuSE seems to be built entirely for i586)02:18
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mjg59What extra instructions does i586 get you?02:19
bluefoxicyhell if I know.02:19
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mjg59I can't see any reason why building for i586 would be preferable to building for i48602:20
mjg59We optimise for 686. anyway02:20
Hobbseedamned wifi kill switch02:20
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bluefoxicyI know.  There's some CMOV insn on i686 specifically that apparently gets used in optimized code but I doubt it's significant02:21
mjg59We support machines that don't have CMOV02:21
bluefoxicyyeah I know.02:21
mjg59It's an optional part of the 686 ABI02:21
bluefoxicymjg59:  I'm peeking at http://linux.1wt.eu/kernel/2.4/lkup/x86-emu/2.4/patch-2.4.25-wt2-emux86-0.3 actually to figure out what the technical difference is :)02:23
bluefoxicyBesides, there's other kinds of fun stuff to do once you can rebuild ubuntu from scratch.  Like fiddle with gcc flags that tend to break things :D02:23
bluefoxicy(I used to run gentoo, and reinstall 10 times a week)02:24
StevenKbluefoxicy: Dig up.02:24
bluefoxicy(I'm sure you can guess why)02:24
bluefoxicyStevenK: ?02:24
StevenKbluefoxicy: As in, "That's a nice hole you've dug yourself into." :-)02:24
bluefoxicyStevenK:  why?  I like fiddling with things and seeing what comes out.02:25
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sladenrulus: what's the bug number?02:47
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unggnuhi all03:12
unggnuWhat do you think about this Bug #150777 according security.03:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 150777 in gnome-power-manager "in gutsy, screen locks on lid close even when gconf option is turned off" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15077703:12
unggnuMaybe screensaver locking should be activated per default so it would give same security like before but more flexibility.03:12
Hobbseeit's not a decision to be made at this point of the release cycle, that's for certain.03:13
unggnuIt is not a huge change.03:14
Hobbseeunuggu: that patch is a major change in the default security policy (no locking for anybody instead of locking for everybody after suspend/hibernate), please discuss such massive changes with the security people via the ubuntu-devel-discuss or ubuntu-devel lists first.03:14
unggnuAnd Feisty needs gconf-editor changes too03:14
Hobbseeand it's not a milestoned bug03:14
ubotuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases03:14
unggnuHobbsee, If screen saver locking is activated per default there is no different behavior.03:15
unggnubut Ok, embarrassing but easy to fix for people who know where to edit gconf03:15
Hobbseethis is not the mailing list, btw.03:16
Hobbseeyou were told what to do03:16
highvoltageis Gobuntu shipping with IceWeasel and IceDove?03:30
Hobbseegood question.  does #gobuntu know?03:31
highvoltageHobbsee: currently, it seems that I AM #gobuntu :)03:32
Hobbseeoh, so it probably doesnt exist.03:32
highvoltageHobbsee: looking at the gobuntu-desktop metapackage, it seems that it is still firefox and thunderbird03:32
Hobbseei thought there was an irc channel for it03:32
highvoltageHobbsee: also, I can't find iceweasel and icedove in the ubuntu archives :/03:32
Hobbseeyes, i suspect they're not ther03:32
Hobbseei'm unsure of the status of gobuntu - perhaps ask on their mailing list03:32
highvoltageHobbsee: seems like the first version of Gobuntu will have FF and TB then03:32
highvoltageHobbsee: I have a few weeks back, and I was told that it will be Iceweasel, etc. perhaps I should just ask again..03:33
Hobbseehighvoltage: who knows if development stalled, or something.  *shrug*03:33
sladenit would be a bit embarassying it Goubuntu goes out with stuff it shouldn't be doing03:34
highvoltageHobbsee: Evan comfirmed that Gobuntu will indeed be shipping on the 18th, but I think sladen might be right, I don't think Gobuntu will be shipping like we'd all want it to in this release03:36
unggnuHobbsee, done, I hope in the right way :)03:36
highvoltagesladen: also, you have excess vowels :)03:36
popeybetter than having excess bowels03:36
Spadsword on the street is sladen is a ruminant03:38
highvoltagePeter Petrelli03:39
highvoltagesorry, accidental paste!03:39
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rulussladen, I did not file a bug report yet04:05
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sladenrulus: that probably needs to be the next course of action;  anything on IRC will get scrolled off the top of the screen...04:15
rulussladen: I'm working on it04:15
sladenrulus: btw, is boots incredibly slowly because it's performing a fsck?04:16
rulussladen: no I think not04:16
rulussladen: I shall attach dmesg's of both quick and slow boot04:17
rulussladen: shall I file it against usplash? because I really don't know if both problems (slow boot, no usplash) are related.04:17
rulusit's bug 152643, I'll attach dmesg in a minute04:21
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152643 in ubuntu "[gutsy]  slow boot except when pressing ctrl+alt+f1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15264304:21
sladenrulus: [   28.721183]  EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.     115seconds...04:28
rulusI'm no expert :)04:29
sladenrulus: hence ~40 seconds + 115seconds fsck == ~164 slow boot04:29
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rulussladen, yes it takes 2m50s wich is 164s04:31
sladenrulus: you can read off the number of seconds from the first column of the dmesgs04:31
sladenrulus: they're pretty similar except for the additional 2minutes of disk check04:31
rulusyes I knew that, but I didn't extract the disk checking thing04:32
sladenrulus: can you try repeating the experience.  Obviviously, it would be a bug if usplash always caused a fsck04:32
rulussladen, repeating? I tested it a few times and it always boots up in ~2m50s04:33
rulussladen, except when pressing ctrl+alt+f1 that is04:34
sladenrulus: could you test once more?  We know /why/ the boot can either be 40seconds, or 160seconds.  Such a direction relationship (or interaction) between fsck and usplash is a very interesting case04:36
rulussladen, ok, I'll test again04:37
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rulussladen, always ~2m50s, pressing ctrl+alt+f1 seems to break the process and let boot continue immediately04:45
sladenrulus: is something sitting at a prompt when you switch over04:54
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sladenrulus: is there anything on the console when you switch?04:54
rulussladen, yes there is, I'll check the exact text now04:55
rulussladen, 3 lines from kinit, last one says "kinit: No resume image, doing normal boot..."04:58
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Hobbseeguten morgen, pitti!05:17
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stgraberhi pitti05:18
pittiHobbsee: hey, I just returned from Sunday afternoon cake&coffee at my parent's :)05:19
pittihi stgraber05:19
albertitowhat's the criteria for deciding if a bug gets "nominated for release"? who decides that? (I just saw that on launchpad and got curious about how that socially worked)05:19
Hobbseepitti: sounds like fun05:19
stgraberogra: I'm trying today daily builds and see that there is the "suspend" option available in the live environment, is that wanted ? (hibernate isn't there though)05:20
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sladenstgraber: suspend will probably work;  hibernate needs swap, boot commandlines and the like all setup05:22
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bluekujapitti: around?05:42
bluekujapitti: just wanted to let you know nagios-plugins upload is a security fix and it's linked to bug #15262405:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152624 in nagios-plugins "Buffer overflow in check_http.c (CVE-2007-5198)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15262405:43
luk_uploaded to Debian unstable earlier today...05:43
bluekujayeah, exactly05:43
DktrKranzluk_, merged from that :)05:44
bluekujamerged from incoming05:44
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Hobbseeokay, who added frozen bubble?06:29
Hobbseethat's seriously cool - and addicting.06:29
bluekujaHobbsee: you still cant approve?06:29
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Hobbseebluekuja: technically, i can, but i've been asked not to, until one of the bugs in launchpad gets fixed.06:29
Hobbsee(it's not generating mail)06:30
bluekujaaww oki06:30
bluekujayeah, seen your mail06:30
bluekujaon the ml before06:30
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mhbKeybuk: sorry for not approving your post at that time, I was in a train.08:00
mhbKeybuk: (your comment on my blog about hiding blueprint names)08:01
Keybukmhb: heh, wasn't worried about the approving bit - just caught me by surprise when it vanished on another machine :p08:02
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WhoopieHi, with latest subversion from feisty-proposed, I get the following error: "svn: Unbekanntes URL Schema fr 'http://svn.tuxonice.net/hibernate-script/trunk'"09:44
Whoopie"svn: unknown URL schema"09:45
Whoopieis that a known issue?09:45
pochuWhoopie: yes, it is.09:57
pochubug 15239409:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152394 in subversion "ra_dav missing in subversion" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15239409:57
Whoopiepochu: ok, thanks09:59
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pittikylem: still here by chance?10:18
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sladenpower consumption up---well at least we have a challenge for the next one11:13
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slangasekogra: does this gnome-power-manager 2.20.0-0ubuntu6 upload correspond to a bug #?11:24
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