slangasekyuck, why do the gutsy mythtv packages depend on msttcorefonts?12:37
man-diScottK: today I saw that it doesnt seem to work on i38612:37
man-diScottK: in debian at least12:37
ScottKman-di: The proposed revision or the current one?12:37
ScottKsuperm1: See slangasek's comment ^^^12:38
man-di-4 is the current one in debian, yes12:38
dokoScottK: its universe, if you're ok with the upload, pleae go ahead. there's a reason that I'm still awake on Saturdaynight :-(12:38
ScottKdoko: I'm fairly highly allergic to Java (but know others aren't).  If you think technically (from a Java perspective) it's a good change, I'll see if I have time to build/test/uplod it.12:39
man-diScottK: testing on i386 would be needed, I dont really know why it doesnt work on i386 in debian12:39
dokoScottK: please go ahead, and please convince man-di to get motu status himself so he can do it himself ;)12:40
ScottKOK.  Well my Gutsy box has 256MB of RAM, so I don't think I'm the one to test it.12:40
man-diScottK: my machine has 2 GB and I get OOMs when buidling eclipse without tricks since doko uploaded GCJ 4.2 :-/12:41
mlindScottK: roll the package in PPA maybe ?12:42
ScottKman-di: I've got a server I can build it on with 4GB ram.  It's the testing not the building that's the trouble.12:42
ScottKmlind: If you've got a PPA, you can do that.12:42
man-diScottK: aah, okay12:42
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ScottKmlind: At this point the only option I would consider is the small one.12:43
mlindScottK: yes, I'd do that too.12:44
man-didoko: BTW: I dont really see a reason to make me a MOTU, after all I dont use Ubuntu12:44
ScottKman-di: I don't see that as a hard requirement.12:44
pochunight all12:44
man-diScottK: for you, but for me ;-)12:45
mlindcan one yet delete packages from PPA?12:45
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ScottKmlind: --> #launchpad.12:47
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man-diScottK: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=446438 was reported against the 'fixed' version in Debian12:48
ubotuDebian bug 446438 in eclipse-jdt "eclipse-jdt: ant editor can not open build.xml" [Important,Open] 12:48
man-diScottK: cu12:48
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nenolodAdri2000, btw le_vert (audacious-plugins launchpad #123150) can be very stubborn01:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 123150 in audacious-plugins "Audacious unable to play MP3 streams" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12315001:58
nenolodAdri2000, so i don't know how cooperative he will be01:58
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KmosCan someone archive this one? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=37702:03
Kmosor nuke it :)02:03
Kmosit's NEW on debian now..02:03
Kmosand this one too02:06
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imbrandonanyone here that uses fluxbox ?02:52
=== _MMA_ wonders why imbrandon didnt just ask joejaxx? :)
imbrandonhe's afk02:53
_MMA_Oh yeah. He said he had to lay down.02:54
imbrandoni just installed fluxbox ( not fluxbuntu ) on gutsy, started a flux session and right click isnt bringing up the menu02:54
imbrandoni even had to start xterm from tty1 with `DISPLAY=:0 xterm`02:55
imbrandonsux to be me atm :)02:56
_MMA_imbrandon: Talk to nothlit in #fluxbuntu02:56
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persiaslangasek: Sorry.  Sleeping.  ceclilia needs architecture-specific drops.  snort doesn't need a merge: the Ubuntu changes were adopted by Debian.  Thank you for gxmms and zeroc-icee-java.03:06
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imbrandon_MMA_: wow people in that channel are harsh :)03:08
_MMA_lol really?03:09
imbrandonpersia: test it on gutsy ?03:09
_MMA_Joe wouldnt let that happen. The kids must be at play.03:09
persiaimbrandon: manually execute `update-menus`, which should fix it.  There's something funny about menu generation on package install (or initial install).03:09
persiaimbrandon: Yes.  Test on gutsy.03:09
imbrandonpersia: if you can get me a gutsy i386 package built from that i'd be happy to but i'm on a p200 and dont wanna compile it03:09
slangasekpersia: for snort, the scripts I have available don't appear to let me override the fact that snort has previously diverged from Debian03:10
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persiaslangasek: Understood.  I'll wait for someone else.03:10
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imbrandonpersia: should a session restart be required after update-menus ?03:19
persiaimbrandon: It shouldn't, but you might need to wait a minute.  You'll want to make sure to run it system wise (`sudo update-menus`)03:19
slangasekpersia: as for cecilia, the problem package is an arch: all package; I'm not sure why it wasn't removed automatically when the arch: any binaries became available, but the tools don't work for cleaning this up either03:19
imbrandonok how much longer do i have for a universe upload ?03:20
persiaslangasek: It's not arch: all anymore :)03:20
slangasekpersia: um, the problem package you're asking to have removed *is*03:20
persiaslangasek: Are you sure?  I thought there was a script for binary removal (if a less popular one).03:20
persiaslangasek: Right.  Sorry.03:20
slangasekpersia: the script for binary removals doesn't appear to DTRT with -a all03:24
persiaslangasek: Thanks for trying.  I keep finding corner cases :)03:25
persiaimbrandon: I think binary uploads have about 22 hours left, so source uploads should be earlier.03:26
StevenKFor universe, you have more than 22 hours03:26
imbrandonwe dont do binary upload iirc03:27
imbrandonanyhow so i'm good for now with universe correct ?03:27
imbrandonman i hate "comming back" at the end of a cycle03:28
persiaStevenK: I thought there was a new announcement that we had until Monday 0:01 UTC.  Is my math broken?03:29
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persiaimbrandon: From what I understood about the archive, you'll want to have your builds done before the hard freeze (I may be mistaken).03:29
persiaimbrandon: and, yes, now is safe to upload.03:30
imbrandonok i *think* my final upload for gutsy is done, probably not though03:32
StevenKpersia: When ScottK and I were talking to pitti, he said until Wednesday for universe - we (being motu-uvf) have to approve it.03:35
StevenKAnyway, I'm out.03:35
persiaStevenK: Ah.  I'm following https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-October/002450.html03:36
imbrandonwell its only a revision anyhow not a UVF , worst case it will be rejected03:38
imbrandonlooks like one more reboot bbiab03:38
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bddebianpersia: Are you still working on esniper? :-)03:50
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persiabddebian: Rather, I'M hoping someone with an ebay account will.  We've about 4 hours left on the auction.03:50
DktrKranzpersia, need a hand?03:51
persiaDktrKranz: very much so.  could you build http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/esniper/esniper_2.17.0-1.dsc for gutsy, and see if it works?03:52
DktrKranzwhat I need to do to discover if it works properly?03:52
persiaminghua was nice enough to host http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140167990751 for use to test against.03:53
joejaxximbrandon: the issue is update-menus03:53
joejaxxwhen it forks duing a dpkg execution on a package that has the menus add hook it never returns after dpkg is done03:54
persiaThe fork is a good thing, but the return hook is just plain broken.03:56
superm1slangasek, unfortunately the themes call for arial right now.03:56
joejaxxpersia: yeah unfortunately03:57
slangaseksuperm1: <whimper>fix the themes?</whimper>03:57
superm1slangasek, well we were waiting for the liberation fonts to come through03:57
joejaxxpersia: which stinks for us that use the debian menu :D ;)03:57
superm1and we were going to make a package called fake-msttcorefonts then03:57
superm1that symlinked those to the font names that msttcorefonts provided03:58
persiajoejaxx: Yep.03:58
slangasekso dejavu sans isn't good enough?03:58
superm1so that no patching was needed.  but since those didn't ever come through03:58
joejaxxand if iirc we are close to hard no more packages freeze03:58
superm1no, i did some experiments with other fonts and it looked pretty tacky03:58
joejaxxor past it03:58
superm1compared to how they look with the msttcorefonts03:58
superm1so hopefully licensing on the liberation fonts gets sorted during hardy, so that we can use those03:58
DktrKranzpersia, built. now what?04:02
bddebianNow install and start bidding ;-)04:04
persiaDktrKranz: You'll want to look at sample_config and sample_auction in /usr/share/docs/esniper/04:05
DktrKranzis it mandatory to test it right now? it's quite late here and I should have some sleep...but if you need it in short time, I can give it a better try04:11
persiaDktrKranz: We hav 3 hours & 53 minute left in our test.  If you don't have time, could you put up an i386 binary for imbrandon?04:11
DktrKranzno problem at all...just a second04:12
persiaDktrKranz: Thanks a lot.04:12
imbrandonDktrKranz: thanks04:12
DktrKranzand sorry to not been able to test it directly as I wish...it's 4:15 here and I was busy in bug squashing :)04:13
persiaDktrKranz: No worries.  That's why we're a team :)04:13
DktrKranzimbrandon, www.linuxdc.it/esniper_2.17.0-1_i386.deb04:16
imbrandonDktrKranz: sweet, getting it now04:16
DktrKranzbuilt on up-to-date gutsy04:16
imbrandonk, good thats what i'm running04:16
DktrKranzanyway, it took me just a couple of minutes04:17
DktrKranzif you ever need to recompile, it will not be a waste of time04:17
persiaimbrandon: Can you snipe by yourself, or do you need someone else to compete with you?04:18
imbrandonwell i just dident want to install all the build tools and buld aon a p20004:18
imbrandonpersia: not sure, never used this app in my life, i just have an ebay account and wanted to help04:18
DktrKranzI'm going to sleep, if you don't need something else04:18
persiaDktrKranz: Thanks a lot.  Sleep well.04:18
imbrandonpersia: ok its installed, any "quick start" tips for what you need testede04:19
imbrandonDktrKranz: thanks04:19
DktrKranzthanks to you, gnight04:19
imbrandonpersia: ok its installed, any "quick start" tips for what you need testede04:19
persiaimbrandon: You'll want to create an auction file for http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140167990751, and run esniper in the background.  Someone else will outbid your last bid, and near the auction end, esniper should make a quick bid so you win.04:20
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imbrandonpersia: ok i think its running correctly , someone else will have to test near the end of the auction i guess ( i'll leave it running )04:25
imbrandonAuction 140167990751: Ubuntu 7.10 CD Image file04:25
imbrandonTime remaining: 2 hours 39 mins 36 secs (9576 seconds)04:25
imbrandonEnd time: 14/10/2007 00:04:3504:25
imbrandonCurrently: 0.01  (your maximum bid: 0.75)04:25
imbrandon# of bids: 104:25
imbrandonHigh bidder: holtsclawb!!!04:25
imbrandonLatency: 0 seconds04:25
imbrandonSat Oct 13 21:24:59 2007: Sleeping for 1 hours 39 minutes04:25
imbrandonit wont check again for 1.5 hours04:25
persiaimbrandon: What timeout did you use for the snipe?04:25
imbrandoni dunno i ran it like this ....04:26
imbrandon esniper -u holtsclawb -P 140167990751 0.704:26
imbrandon esniper -u holtsclawb -P 140167990751 0.7504:26
persiaimbrandon: Thanks.04:27
imbrandone.g -u user -P prompt for pass and auction number and price04:27
imbrandoni'll leave it running in the background04:27
persiaCould someone please bid $0.60 on  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140167990751?04:28
bddebianI'll try if I can remember my password :-)04:28
persiabddebian: Thanks.04:29
imbrandonafk one sec04:29
persiaimbrandon: Just to make sure, we want someone other than you to be the high bidder :)  You should bid 0.75 near the end, and win anyway.04:30
ScottKStevenK: We got revised on the Wed thing today.04:30
ScottKStevenK: They need to starting copying the entire archive for -updates/-security at the same time they start making the CDs.04:31
bddebianOK, .60 bid04:31
persiabddebian: Thanks.04:31
bddebianHave to be of some use on occasion ;-)04:31
ScottKStevenK or zul: Would you please ack Bug 152423 (patch currently is totally broken so downside risk is nil).04:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152423 in ktoon "[Gutsy Sync]  Please sync KToon (0.8.1-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15242304:33
ScottKStevenK and zul: I'm interested in what you think about Bug 151699 (I am uncertain on this one).04:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151699 in gdc-4.1 "[UVFe]  gdc-4.1 0.25 new upstream release" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15169904:34
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persiaShould motu-uvf be subscribed for review prior to the completion of testing, or only after verification?04:48
RAOFYay, gdm starts again!  (bug #152505)04:51
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152505 in gdm "gdmgreeter segfaults when XRandR is not available" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15250504:51
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TheMusoSweet. Uses Ape v2/c04:56
TheMusowrong channel04:56
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ScottKpersia: Subscribe motu-uvf when you are ready for motu-uvf to decide something (I'd say after).05:19
persiaScottK: That makes sense.  Thanks for the confirmation.05:20
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persiahttp://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=140167990751 for bug #15250305:21
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152503 in esniper "Please sync esniper _2.17.0-1 (universe) from Debian (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15250305:21
=== ScottK would really appreciate not being the only motu-uvf around so stuff could get decided ...
ScottKpersia: Do you have time in your schedule to look at a proposed Eclispe revision?05:25
persiaScottK: That looks like a merge.  I'd really prefer if someone else hit it (as there doesn't seem to be anyone else tracing RC bugs).05:26
ScottKpersia: There's a minimal debdiff option which I think we should pursue, but I don't have enough RAM on my gutsy machine to build/test it.05:28
ScottKRAOF: How about you?  Up for fixing eclipse?05:28
persiaScottK: If you just need build cycles, I can do that.  Where's the debdiff?05:28
RAOFScottK: Uuuuuur...05:28
RAOFScottK: I'm up for *building* eclipse?05:28
persiaRAOF: Thanks.05:29
ScottKThere's the debdiff.  RAOF, if you would, since persia has a lot of stuff on his plate.05:29
RAOFAnyone want to review bug #152505 before I subscribe u-m-s?05:29
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152505 in gdm "gdmgreeter segfaults when XRandR is not available" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15250505:29
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persiaAnybody around using xen?  Could you confirm that gutsy xenman doesn't crash on start?05:33
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ScottKRAOF: You know about 64bit stuff, right?05:37
ScottKRAOF: Any idea why https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnomedb3/3.0.0-2build1 would build on AMD64, but FTBFS on IA64?05:38
RAOFScottK: Because IA64 is wierd and crazy?05:40
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slangasekbecause the ia64 platform always has bits set in the high 32-bits of a pointer05:40
slangasekwhereas on amd64 it's a crapshoot05:40
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RAOFThat looks a likely culprit, yes.05:41
ScottKRight, but knowing little about 64bit stuff, I was suprised that'd be a problem on IA64 and not AMD64.05:42
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slangasekno, that's not the reason05:44
RAOFIt's possible that it's not actually a 64bit problem, but something strange with the IA64 linking process.05:44
=== ScottK looks over at slangasek and hopes for enlightenment.
slangasektry fixing the implicit function declarations05:44
=== ScottK looks at RAOF and hopes maybe he knows how to do that.
slangasekincluding the headers that contain the declarations? :)05:45
persiaThe linking is fine, it's just that the result SEGVs.  I suspect slangsek is correct, and the non-portability assumes that a 64-bit integer can be safely treated as two 32-bit integers.05:45
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slangasekright, because if you try to use a function before importing it python immediately tells you to get bent, on any arch. :)05:46
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slangasekpff, I don't even see where libgnomedb-3.0-scan.c is coming from, it's apparently not part of the libgnomedb3 source05:50
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persiaDoes sbuild 0.56 work for anyone else?  It's not on my list, but I'm still pinned at 0.53.05:53
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slangasekScottK: well, this is some serious gnome voodoo in gtk-doc-tools; it's the generated source that's missing the includes, I have no idea how to tell it what headers to include05:58
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ScottKslangasek: OK.  Well if it's serious vodoo to you, then I'm not even going to go near it.  I guess it'll just have to stay dead.  Thanks for looking.05:59
slangasekit's probably less serious to someone who works more with GNOME packaging05:59
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RAOFI've got a friend up from Hobart, I'm not going to have time to expose that voodoo.06:01
slangasekok, libgnomedb-3.0.types is the sourceful bit that declares the types to reference06:12
slangasekthat's doc/C/libgnomedb-3.0.types06:12
slangasekit includes records for gnome_db_entry_foo, but several of these (the ones with warnings in the build log) have no public headers that are installed in libgnomedb3-dev, nor are those headers referenced at the top of libgnomedb-3.0.types itself06:13
slangasekso either those headers need to be made public (including them from libgnomedb.h seems to be the standard way), or the references to those types should be removed.06:14
persiaslangasek: That makes sense (in a twisted way).  Why does it work for !ia64?06:19
slangasekbecause on ia64, the high 32-bits of a pointer address are non-empty?06:19
slangasekso if the compiler doesn't have a declaration of the function, it doesn't know it returns a pointer (actually a GType, which much to my frustration is typedefed as an int rather than a pointer, suppressing a relevant compiler warning); which means it defaults to int, which is always 32-bit and truncates the return value06:20
slangasekso then the code takes what should be a valid pointer, and walks off into nowhere in memory -> segfault06:21
persiaAha.  So it's a compiler parsing issue with unknown types.  That makes sense.  Why isn't it a compiler bug?06:21
slangasekbecause the compiler isn't doing anything wrong06:21
slangasekit's behaving exactly as it's told06:22
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slangasekit gives a warning, which is as much as it's supposed to do when invoked this way; it's up to the developers to notice the warning and fix the bug06:22
persiaAh, never mind.  I'm missing the placement of GType.  Thanks for the explanation, but I suspect I need to look at much more before I have a full understanding (and should get back to emulating a buildd)06:23
ScottKslangasek: Any idea of how much longer the i386 buildd's are going to be occupied with language packs?06:23
slangasekScottK: no clue06:24
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ScottKOK.  Just getting a bi t antsy.06:24
ScottKHello Hobbsee.06:25
slangasekwhere does one look to see that they /are/ occupied with language packs? :)06:26
ScottKHobbsee: Would you be up for a quick motu-uvf ack of bug 152423 (it's a package doesn't work at all -> works at least some kind of upload).06:26
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152423 in ktoon "[Gutsy Sync]  Please sync KToon (0.8.1-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15242306:26
ScottKslangasek: I look here, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+builds?build_text=&build_state=building but I'm sure there are better places06:26
slangasekwell, not for me there probably arent'06:26
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ScottKpersia: Bug #152519 acked by me.  Maybe Hobbsee will look at it too.06:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152519 in sqlfairy "Please sync sqlfairy 0.08.001-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15251906:28
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persiaScottK: Thanks.  Soon...06:31
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ScottKpersia: I'll have a look at uus now that you mention it.06:38
ScottKRAOF: How's eclipse?06:38
persiaScottK: If there's anything not appropriate for gutsy, would you mind adding a comment indicating this, and asking for preparation for hardy?06:38
ScottKpersia: I was just thinking that exact same thing.  Absolutely.  I've already done that more than once on REVU.06:39
persiaScottK: Perfect :)06:39
Hobbseehiya slangasek06:40
ScottKpersia: You looked at the openct patch and decided not to upload it.  How strongly do you feel about that?06:41
persiaScottK: Bug#?06:41
ScottKpersia: Bug #12505406:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 125054 in openct "openct broken by ubuntu udev setup" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12505406:43
persiaScottK: Not very strongly.  I'd like to see someone other than upstream test it in gutsy, or to understand where $MODALIAS comes from.  With either of those, I'd upload.06:44
ScottKpersia: Based on it's backported from the upstream svn and it seems the package is fairly broken, I'm inclined to upload it.06:45
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persiaScottK: Don't let me block you.  I'm being conservative because I don't understand one clause.  If $MODALIAS is always undefined, everything should work fine (and the previous script appears like it shouldn't work)06:47
ScottKpersia: OK.  Based on that, I'll go for it.  Thanks.06:47
persiaScottK: Sure.  You're always welcome to confirmation of my ignorance :)06:48
HobbseeScottK: you suck at spelling my nick.06:50
ScottKHobbsee: Thanks.  I'm dead without tab completion.06:51
ScottKHobbsee: How about the ktoon UVFe?06:51
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=== Hobbsee just ack'd it
Hobbseesorry, dealing with emial06:53
ScottKNo problem.06:53
persiaimbrandon: Around?  I just want to make sure that the esniper process is still running smoothly: the auction expires in 11 mins 38 secs06:53
ScottKHobbsee: How about persia's sqlfairy UVFe?06:53
HobbseeScottK: just ack'd that too06:54
HobbseeScottK: right, so now i'm requested not to accept things.06:54
persiaHobbsee: Thanks.  I'll subscribe the next team in the list :)06:54
Hobbseepersia: no problem.  i did it via email, so it should just work06:55
ScottKHobbsee: Urgh.06:55
Hobbseeoh no!06:55
=== Hobbsee wonders if she'll get all the ubuntu-archive mail now.
Hobbseeoh, no, it's to a separate mailing list.06:55
persiaHobbsee: Thanks for pushing it along :)06:55
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Hobbseepersia: slangasek may do a bunch of processing.  right now, it's as if i dont have access to any of it :(06:55
persia3 RC syncs pending in the u-a-a queue :)06:56
imbrandonpersia: yea it will wakeup in 6 minutes06:56
imbrandonit said06:56
persiaimbrandon: Excellent.  Thank you.06:56
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imbrandonAuction 140167990751: Ubuntu 7.10 CD Image file06:57
imbrandonTime remaining: 7 mins 49 secs (469 seconds)06:57
imbrandonEnd time: 14/10/2007 00:04:3506:57
imbrandonCurrently: 0.55  (your maximum bid: 0.75)06:57
imbrandon# of bids: 206:57
imbrandonHigh bidder: bddebian (NOT holtsclawb)06:57
imbrandonLatency: 0 seconds06:57
imbrandonSat Oct 13 23:56:46 2007: Sleeping for 5 minutes 39 seconds06:57
persiaNice latency :)06:57
=== persia dislikes packages that build, install themselves, and rebuild.
imbrandonhrm why would one do such a thing06:59
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persiaimbrandon: Bootstrapping.  Often when building compilers or interpreters, you need to build a framework to then build the self-hosted true system.07:02
imbrandonahh like fpc07:03
persiaOnly 1 minute left...07:03
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persiaCool.  It works!07:04
persiaThanks minghua, bddebian, imbrandon, and dktrkranz07:04
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imbrandonpersia: np07:06
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persiaScottK: over to you: bug #15250307:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152503 in esniper "Please sync esniper _2.17.0-1 (universe) from Debian (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15250307:07
ScottKpersia: Ack.  Ask Hobbsee now...07:08
persiaHobbsee: Our last non-xen Debian RC in gutsy awaits your pleasure :)07:09
persiaUm.  s/RC/Grave RC/07:09
Hobbseehow's our sponsorship queue looking?07:10
Hobbseedebian bug 44236907:10
persiauniverse: 16, main: 2007:10
ubotuDebian bug 442369 in esniper "esniper: unable to find auction --> solved in CVS" [Grave,Fixed]  http://bugs.debian.org/44236907:10
ScottKHobbsee: Not bad.  16 left many of which are debian dupes or pending SRUs07:10
=== Hobbsee nods
Hobbseewe can search by subscriber now, from ubuntu itself07:10
Hobbseeso can get rid of teh debian dupes07:10
persiaBut https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/~ubuntu-universe-sponsors/ or https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-universe-sponsors/ubuntu/ should do that.07:11
Hobbseeoh nice!07:11
Hobbseedidnt know that was supported07:11
=== ScottK considers filing a bug along the lines of "LP lies when it says their are Baltix bugs related to me."
persiaHobbsee: It's not :(07:12
Hobbseeoh, should, right, yes.07:12
Hobbseealthough no one would ever ifnd it.07:12
=== persia would. Often.
=== Hobbsee just goes to the ubuntu bug page, advance searches for bugs subscribed to u-u-s, problem solved.
Hobbseeit even got implemented in way under 6 months?  how nice is that?07:13
=== persia would even like https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-universe-sponsors/ubuntu/hardy/ to work next time.
=== Hobbsee just wants working archive admin powers, dammit!
persiaHobbsee: You don't really want that.  I'd be asking you to try to figure out how to sync snort or drop cecilia as arch:all, neither apparently trivial.07:14
Hobbseewhta's wrong with cecilia?07:14
Hobbseepersia: i already have those powers - when it includes asking other people to do that, and they say yes.07:14
persiaIt used to be arch: all, and depended on csound.  csound assumes that 64 bit integers can be split so that the high half is flags, and the bottom half a pointer.  I uploaded an arch: many cecilia, but the arch: all binary is still floating around.07:15
persiaHobbsee: heh07:15
Hobbseelamont: you around?07:16
Hobbseeseems not.07:16
Hobbseelamont: when you wake up and come and see irc again, can you deal with persia's request, presumably in P-a-s?  thanks.07:16
ScottKpersia: What version of snort are you trying to sync?07:16
persiaScottK: 2.7.0-607:17
persiaScottK: The things that make it tricky are 1) it overrides previous Ubuntu changes (Debian adopted them), and 2) it introduces a NEW binary package.07:17
ScottKpersia: I can solve #1 if slangasek can solve #2 ^^^07:18
bluefoxicyRemoving linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-13-generic ...07:18
bluefoxicyupdate-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-13-generic07:18
bluefoxicyPurging configuration files for linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-13-generic ...07:18
bluefoxicyupdate-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-13-generic07:18
persiaslangasek: ?07:18
bluefoxicyCan anyone guess what I'm doing?07:18
ScottKbluefoxicy: Flooding the channel.07:18
bluefoxicyscottk besides that07:19
persiabluefoxicy: distracting people from syncing snort?07:19
ScottKpersia: He's the new release manager (and I believe is here and has archive admin powers to NEW the new binary).07:19
ScottKbluefoxicy: That's all I really noticed.07:19
bluefoxicypersia:  that too.  But I more meant REMOVING A KERNEL, and rebuilding its initrd 15 times in the process >.>07:19
Hobbseepersia: i can new the binary.07:19
persiaHobbsee: Great.07:20
Hobbseelike, without cjwatson eating me.07:20
ScottKHobbsee: I'll see if I can upload it.07:20
persiaScottK: Can you fix #1?  Hobbsee will do #2.07:20
Hobbseeoh wait.  am i supposed to, based on saying i'd avoid the new queue?07:20
persiaHobbsee: binary new, or source new?07:20
Hobbseehm.  i think i was asked to wait until after the powers that be were consulted.07:20
Hobbseepersia: well, that's the question07:20
ScottKHobbsee: Is it better to have the archive fixed with an incomplete paper trail or broken and documented?07:20
Hobbseepersia: i cant do source new, due to no paper trail, and licencing stuff.  but binary accepted mails get blackholed anyway.07:21
=== persia doesn't think it really matters if there's delayed NEW processing. only i386 users would even notice: it would be just as broken for everyone else.
ScottKThis is a binary NEW07:21
ScottKSo it should be fine, right?07:21
Hobbseebluefoxicy: and we dont do kernels in this channel.07:21
HobbseeScottK: unsure.  we'll see :)07:21
HobbseeScottK: oh, it's universe?  no, i shouldn't, then.07:22
=== Hobbsee is forgetting some of the launchpad quirks.
ScottKI'd settle for Hobbsee agrees to hunt someone down and make them do it before the deadline.07:23
Hobbseei'm not their boss, i cant really hunt them down.07:23
Hobbseebut i'd expect that they would, yes07:23
RAOFScottK: Taking *ages* to build.  Current load: 25.9307:23
ScottKRAOF: It does that.07:24
ScottKpersia: So if I upload this and it the new package never makes it, are we better or worse off than if I don't upload it (snort).07:24
persiaScottK: i386 users are worse off.  Everyone else is the same.  All users can `apt-get install --build snort` and get a working system.07:25
HobbseeScottK: we'll find someone.07:25
ScottKHobbsee: OK.07:25
Hobbseeeven if i have to accept it, then someone else has to override.07:26
ScottKWell the syncpackage script made a useable .changes file, so I can do the upload.07:26
ScottKHobbsee and persia: Unless one of you says don't, I'm going to dput snort momentarily.07:27
ScottKOK.  Done.07:28
persiaScottK: please also update bug #15220507:29
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152205 in snort "Please sync snort 2.7.0-6 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15220507:29
ScottKpersia: Done07:29
persia(never mind)07:29
persiaScottK: Thanks.07:29
ScottKNo problem.07:29
persiaAny fortran people around?07:30
ScottKHobbsee: I got the Waiting for approval mail for snort, so over to you as far as getting the RM and New stuff done ...07:33
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=== persia requests assistance with the semidef-oct FTBFS: it needs a build-dep update for fortran, but the Debian fix doesn't work in Ubuntu. See Debian bug #432376 for details.
ubotuDebian bug 432376 in semidef-oct "semidef-oct: FTBFS: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgfortranbegin" [Serious,Fixed]  http://bugs.debian.org/43237607:35
persiaAre updates to native packages considered New Upstream Versions?07:36
ScottKpersia: Not really, but if it's big or scary asking isn't a bad idea.  Personally, I'd say as long as your sure you don't want someone to share the blame, go ahead.07:37
persiaScottK: Thanks.  I just wanted to make sure to comply with the procedures: if it was about blame, I would have just uploaded just about everything I've touched in the past couple days.07:38
ScottKUnderstand.  It's just a bit of a grey area.07:38
ScottKI think I've done enough damage for one night, so I'm off to bed.  Good night all.07:39
ScottKRAOF: If eclipse builds and installs, I'd say upload it.  I don't see a downside risk.07:40
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persiaAnyone around looking for a bitesize bug for Hardy?07:49
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nxvlanyone here?08:15
persianxvl: Heaps of people are here, but not everyone is watching :)08:18
nxvlu'r right08:18
nxvli want to help fixing bugs on gutsy08:18
nxvli have patch some bugs before08:19
nxvlbut i don't know launchap very well08:19
persianxvl: That'd be great.  We're really close now, so only certain bugs are getting approved.08:19
persiaWould you like to help track down the release critical bugs fixed in Debian, that may be open in Ubuntu?08:19
persiaBasically, one works from http://django.ajmitch.net.nz/rcbugs.  Look for a package that doesn't have a comment.  There are roughly four classes of bugs: the easiest to check are those that report "FTBFS" (failed to build from source).08:21
persiaThe easiest way for you to help would be to download the latest gutsy sources for the packages that might FTBFS on a gutsy system, and try to build them.  I'm happy to help if you have any questions.08:22
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nxvli will start now08:30
persianxvl: Thank you.  I'm working from the bottom, so I'd suggest starting from the top.  That way if we have a collision, we'll know we're done :)08:31
nxvlpersia: you are fixin FTBS too?08:33
persianxvl: Sometimes.  For every bug in this list, there is a fix available from Debian, so usually one doesn't need to hunt and fix it.  Sometimes the new Debian version is a new upstream version, and then it requires deeper investigation, and a local Ubuntu fix.08:35
nxvlpersia: i found one on eclipse, but it seems its done, am i ok?08:35
persianxvl: I think RAOF is working on that one.  Try the next one :)08:35
nxvlpersia: so, what you are saying is that i only need to find the debian patch?08:36
nxvlam i right?08:36
persianxvl: For most of the packages, I find that the Ubuntu version doesn't actually FTBFS, so I just report that version X builds successfully in the comment.  If the Ubuntu version FTBFS, and Debian doesn't have a new upstream version, and there aren't local Ubuntu changes, I try building the Debian version.08:37
nxvli will check, i need to go out some minutes y will brb08:38
persiaIf there are local Ubuntu changes, or a new Debian upstream version, one needs to try to merge the FTBFS fix into the Ubuntu package.  These are the hardest - I'd skip them unless you're really good at troubleshooting build problems.  We can always go back once we've marked all the ones that aren't a problem.08:39
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=== Hobbsee stabs tax returns
=== persia wonders if the no spindling notice will require a new set be prepared
Hobbseethey're done online ;P09:12
=== persia is impressed by Hobbsee's virtual sharp implement
minghuaVirtual sharp implementation is what Hobbsee is famous for.09:15
Hobbseeyes, the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 09:15
minghuaBTW persia did you fix esniper?09:15
persiaminghua: No.  Dima did.  Dktrkranz made a .deb, bddebian tried to buy the ISO, and imbrandon sniped.09:18
minghuaYeah, I saw the auction sniped, so I figure it has a good chance to have been fixed.09:19
persiaminghua: Thanks a lot for hosting the auction.  Without that we couldn't have tested.09:19
minghuapersia: No problem.  You are the one should be thanked since you started the whole thing.09:20
persiaNah.  Blame ajmitch.  He wrote the rc buglist hosting software09:21
ajmitchyes, blame me, there's nothing else I do09:22
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ajmitchI see you have mad archive powers now09:24
Hobbseeyeah, but i cant use them.09:26
Hobbseeor at least, have been asked not to use them.09:26
Hobbseealthough technically i can probably still accept translations fine :P09:27
lucasajmitch: do you still plan to work on your debian packages, or should they be orphaned, like pnet* ?09:32
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ajmitchjust orphan the lot of them then09:34
Hobbseepersia: use https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug-advanced09:35
Hobbseepersia: as in, +filebug-advanced, not filebug09:35
Hobbseeyou can probably write a greasemonkey script for it09:35
persiaHobbsee: Yes.  I use that every time.  I'd just like to be able to do something in http://launchpad.net/~persia/<whatever> to make it default.09:36
Hobbseepersia: greasemonkey script to make launchpad not suck.09:36
Hobbseeor file less bugs.09:36
Hobbseepersia: filing via email is good too09:36
persiaHobbsee: Umm...  There's got to be a third way.09:36
persias/third/fourth/ : email bugs are ugly09:37
nxvlim back09:44
nxvlpersia: can we patch a bug together so i can undestund better the proces?09:45
persianxvl: Sure.  Look for an FTBFS bug, and let me know the package name.09:45
nxvlpersia: pam-krb5-migrate09:46
thekornpersia, you could use python-launchpad-bugs for filing bugreports, like09:47
persianxvl: That one has a comment, so someone started looking at it.  It indicates that someone needs to file a UVFe, so the first step is to look for any open or rejected UVFe request for the package in Launchpad.  The leftmost link on the bug line goes to the LP bug page.09:48
persiathekorn: Could you point me to an example bug filed with p-l-b?09:48
nxvlpersia: mm, so where is that i need to look for a uncommented FTBFS bug? open the debian bug and looking whats there?09:49
nxvlpersia: say in other word, search for an uncommented bug, read the debian bug report and then search if it's FTBFS?09:49
persianxvl: Exactly.  If there's no comment, it either means that nobody looked at it yet, or nobody bothered to report what they discovered.  Do you want to continue with pam-krb5-migrate, or choose a different bug?09:50
nxvlpersia: chose a diferent bug, so i start from the beginning09:50
thekornpersia, I'm filing all bugreport with py-lp-bugs , for example bug 15064309:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 150643 in python-launchpad-bugs "bug.sourcepackage is not 'None' if there is no package specified" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15064309:50
persianxvl: OK.  Let me know which package.09:50
nxvlpersia: ok09:50
nxvlpersia: searching09:51
persiathekorn: That looks nice?  Thanks.  I'm a little fixated on my workflow for gutsy, but I'll certainly start with that for hardy.09:51
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nxvlpersia: i found a FTBFS but for ppc and i have no ppc09:55
persianxvl: OK.  Keep looking...09:55
nxvlpersia: that was the cuestion09:55
nxvlpersia: :D09:55
nxvlpersia: asterisk-oh32309:56
persianxvl: OK.  The first step is to try to build the Ubuntu version in gutsy.  You can easily download the source by running dget with an argument of the URL for the first "Grab" entry.09:58
nxvlpersia: i can't use apt-get source?09:58
persianxvl: That works too.09:59
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Hobbseethekorn: that looks nice!10:00
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persiaMost of my bugs are sync requests.  If you find a way to automate it that doesn't make for ugly bugs, and let's me complete the Rationale section, I'll be very happy.10:04
Hobbseeid ont work on launchpad :)10:06
Hobbseei just bug them when it doesnt work.10:06
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Hobbseeand tell them that they're on crack occasionally10:06
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persiaHobbsee: Don't underestimate the value of persistent communication - it's accomplished more than all the coding put together.10:06
Hobbseewell, yeah.  that's probably part of the reason why thye documentation is getting somewhat sane10:07
nxvlpersia: it necessary only a "make" doesn't it? i don't need to 'make install' it doesn't i?10:07
persianxvl: It's necessary that one of debuild, pdebuilder or sbuild successfully compiles the package.10:07
nxvlpersia: i'm kind of lost10:08
persianxvl: Have you ever built a package before?10:08
nxvlpersia: i don't need to 'make' it? instead of that i only need to debuild it?10:08
persianxvl: debuild will call make (and other things), depending on the contents of debian/rules.10:09
nxvlpersia: build a package as in make a .deb package?10:09
persianxvl: Yes.  Convert a .dsc package into a .deb package.10:09
nxvlpersia: oh! no i haven't10:09
nxvlpersia: well, i have, but really long time ago10:10
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nxvlpersia: and don't remember it well10:10
persianxvl: My apologies then - I've assumed too much.  You probably don't want to try to learn that chasing RC bugs in the last day before the hard freeze :)10:10
nxvlpersia: i want to learn10:11
nxvlpersia: i have made it, but long time ago10:11
nxvlpersia: and i think with your help i can make it10:11
persianxvl: It's probably too late for gutsy, but I'll recommend you work on some patches for some bugs that will get included in hardy.  One to start might be turning https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-October/002448.html into a bugreport, making a patch, and preparing a debdiff.  There's some documentation on some of the tools in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing10:12
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nxvlpersia: ok, the i will start reading10:13
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persianxvl: Great.  If you have any questions, ask in here.  I warn you that it will be a few weeks before any patches get uploaded to hardy, but there's still ~30,000 bugs that won't get fixed in gutsy, so there's plenty to do in the meantime.10:14
nxvlpersia: so, i can still help bugfixing gutsy for some months after the release?10:16
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lucahi everyone10:17
persianxvl: Yes, but the criteria for getting a fix into gutsy after release is much higher.  To start, I'd recommend working on hardy to get familiar with the tools.  Once you're comfortable, chasing the security bugs and severe breakage that got into gutsy should be easier.10:17
lucaI would like to add a little hack to knetworkmanager10:17
nxvlpersia: ok, so i have plenty of work for the next 6 months :D10:18
persialuca: Does it fix a severe bug?10:18
Hobbseepersia: see -devel10:18
lucabut I know very little about programming - could someone help me out or point me to some good starting resources? :)10:18
lucapersia: it's an annoying and I would say show-stopper bug for kubuntu10:18
persialuca: This isn't really the right forum for learning about programming.10:18
lucawhere then? :=10:19
persialuca: I'd suggest a web resource (start with searching for the major toolkit and programming language for your target software).  IRC isn't a very good place for that.10:20
lucaok thanks10:20
persialuca: If it's a showstopper bug, you'd do best to get all the info about it reported to launchpad.  It's not easy to learn programming, and the release is happening very soon now.10:21
lucapersia: I already did10:21
lucatwo or three weeks ago10:21
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lucait's a bug which prevents knetworkmanager to successfully connect after suspension unless it is switched first to offline mode and then again to online mode10:22
lucaI guess that a simple hack making it doing this automatically could patch (very badly maybe ;) ) the problem, so I wanted to give the idea a try.....but I cannot as I do not how :)10:23
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lucaHobbsee I am using the 0.2 version in gutsy10:25
lucaif you are using the 0.1 then yes that had not this bug10:25
luca(had lots more though ;) )10:26
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pochuanyone can reject my last mail to -motu and -motu-mentors ML? should be in the mod queue...11:01
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persiaAnyone familiar with python-scipy?  Does Debian bug #444124 still apply?11:50
ubotuDebian bug 444124 in python-scipy "fftpack/_fftpack.so: undefined symbol: zfftnd_fftw" [Serious,Fixed]  http://bugs.debian.org/44412411:50
KmosScottK is more familiar with that11:51
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persiaKmos: You like compiling things, don't you?11:54
Kmospersia: i can do it if you need something11:55
persiaKmos: I'm trying to make sure that none of the FTBFS bugs that Debian fixed are still in gutsy.  I'm working from http://django.ajmitch.net.nz/rcbugs.  Would you mind looking at some of the packages with no comments, and seeing if the gutsy version FTBFS when the bug is a FTBFS bug?11:56
Kmospersia: i got some time now, i can handle it11:56
persiaKmos: Great.  Thanks.11:56
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DktrKranzpersia, did esniper work?11:57
persiaDktrKranz: Yes.  Completely.  Thanks for the build.  We're now waiting on the archive-admins to sync it.11:58
DktrKranzgood :)11:58
DktrKranzyou're looking at FTBFS... is it still an issue if Ubuntu version builds fine? I never managed them in such cases11:59
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persiaDktrKranz: I'm specifically looking at the list of Release Critical bugs fixed in Debian where Ubuntu has an older revision.  Lots of them are FTBFS bugs.  Debian usually has patches, so it's not hard to fix.  The important part is separating out the 20% that need attention from all of those that don't really apply to Ubuntu.12:00
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DktrKranzI looked at them some time ago, as you said, the majority does not need love12:01
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DktrKranzbut there are probably some good candidates, especially with CVE in evidence12:01
persiaDktrKranz: I've only found a few CVEs, and I think we've pushed them all to gutsy now.  Now it's just the "Serious" bugs left.12:02
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DktrKranzIIRC, \sh looked at them carefully12:03
Kmospersia: doko is alive, maybe you can ask him to sync.. don't know if he can12:03
persiaDktrKranz: That explains why I could only find a couple missing :)12:03
persiaKmos: No rush.  They're in queue, and the admins will sync when they have time.12:03
Kmostomorrow :)12:03
DktrKranzpersia, if you find some and you haven't time to process them, please ping. I will be happy to have a look at them12:04
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persiaDktrKranz: CVE's or checking RC bug status?12:04
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Kmospersia: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/asterisk-chan-capi/news/20070922T161702Z.html -> isn't this one a good candidate for sync ?12:05
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persiaDktrKranz: I doubt I'll find anymore, where I'm looking.  Thanks though.12:06
persiaKmos: We don't need to sync that - ours is already built against asterisk-dev 1:1.4.4~dfsg-3ubuntu1.12:07
persiaKmos: Look for bugs where there's no comments first: those need more attention.12:07
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Kmospersia: ok12:07
DktrKranzKmos, can you reach packages.qa.debian.org? I have some troubles right now12:08
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geserDktrKranz: I can reach the Debian PTS here12:18
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RAOFHow long should eclipse take to build?  TIt's still going!12:19
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man-diRAOF: looooooooooook12:20
RAOFAlso, this bux get's a little bit unrsponsive when the load average is > 2012:21
man-diRAOF: it needs incredible much memory with current settings in aotcompile.py (from java-gcj-compat-dev)12:21
KmosDktrKranz: I can too..12:21
man-diRAOF: I'm currently speaking with doko how to improve this12:21
RAOFman-di: It's a little hard to check the spelling when it takes > 1 min between typing stuff in and it getting seen :)12:22
man-diRAOF: I know that feeling12:22
man-diRAOF: It eats all my 4 GB memory in the current default settings and still OOMs after a while12:23
geserRAOF: the i386 and amd64 Ubuntu buildds needed 90 and 100 minutes to build eclipse the last time12:23
man-digeser: with gcj-4.1 I needed 18 minutes on my box...12:23
man-digeser: with gcj-4.2 its unbuildable, I needed to limit the build to one CPU12:24
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white!info nagios-plugins gutsy01:30
ubotunagios-plugins: Plugins for the nagios network monitoring and management system. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.4.8-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 87 kB, installed size 164 kB01:30
whitesomeone should check, if CVE-2007-5198 is fixed01:31
ubotuBuffer overflow in the redir function in check_http.c in Nagios Plugins before 1.4.10 allows remote web servers to execute arbitrary code via long Location header responses (redirects). (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-5198)01:31
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persiaDktrKranz: You wanted a CVE?  This is open and needs attention.01:32
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persiawhite: Thanks for pointing it out.01:32
=== DktrKranz looks
whitepersia: that is one of the links, which should be observed by the ubuntu universe sec team :)01:34
whitethe other one would be this one:01:34
persiawhite: Thanks for those.  We've caught a few, but miss a lot.01:34
whitepersia: and I am not really the best ambassador and forget to forward a lot as well, sorry :/01:35
white!info dircproxy gutsy01:35
ubotudircproxy: IRC proxy for people who use IRC from different workstations. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.5-5ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 118 kB, installed size 268 kB01:35
persiaDktrKranz: Could you make sure those links get to the rest of the team?  I don't see them listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Security01:36
white!info dircproxy sid01:36
ubotudircproxy: IRC proxy for people who use IRC from different workstations. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.5-5.1 (sid), package size 114 kB, installed size 256 kB01:36
persiawhite: No worries.  We're not necessarily as organised as we could be regarding pulling the good bits.  We tend to sync at the start, and then fiddle.01:36
DktrKranzpersia, should we add http://security-tracker.debian.net too?01:36
whiteDktrKranz: yes, that is the main source for the testing-security team01:37
Fujitsuwhite: I uploaded the dircproxy fix to Gutsy a couple of hours after you mentioned it in here and talked with \sh.01:37
persiaDktrKranz: That sounds good.  Ideally we'd want something like http://django.ajmitch.net.nz/rcbugs to track the status, but someone would have to determine how to scrape the resources and write the interface.01:37
whiteFujitsu: hi :)01:38
whiteFujitsu: wanna look into xorg-server for a DTSA? :)01:38
DktrKranzok, I'm after a potential SRU, a couple of minutes and I'll have a look at wiki pages01:38
Fujitsuwhite: Sorry, really busy with school stuff at the moment (and for the next couple of weeks).01:38
whiteno worries, good look with school :)01:38
whiteDktrKranz: you look like the man for xorg-server ;)01:39
DktrKranzpersia, it will be very useful! IIRC, debian uses changelog entries to determine if a CVE has been fixed or not01:39
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DktrKranzwhite, but I'm not :P01:39
whiteDktrKranz: well, we use the tracker you just pointed out01:39
whiteDktrKranz: if the CVE is mentioned in the changelog, it helps us a lot spotting, which version fixes the issue01:40
DktrKranzunluckily, several CVEs are still "open" even if they have been fixed upstream01:41
whiteDktrKranz: well forwarding the patches to BTS helps a lot01:41
whiteDktrKranz: and ping me for every issue, if you want. We can arrange some uploads :)01:42
whiteif approrpiate01:42
Hobbseehiya white01:42
whiteHobbsee: hi :)01:42
whitethought I join in your party for a few hours ;)01:42
DktrKranzwhite, are you referring to NMUs?01:42
whiteDktrKranz: yes01:42
Hobbseewhite: woo!01:43
DktrKranzwhite, could I prepare them even if I'm not a DD?01:43
whiteDktrKranz: yes, you need a sponsor though01:43
whiteforwarding the patches to BTS would maybe be a bit faster01:43
DktrKranzah, nice to know, I did'n realize that before. thanks :)01:43
whitewell we are very concerned about fixing security issues in testing (and unstable)01:44
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fmshi all01:45
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RAOF...eclipse continues to build, but now isn't thrashing swap at least...01:49
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_polto_hello all01:50
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DktrKranzI'm definitely having network troubles...packages.qa.debian.org nor cve.mitre.org are reachable...01:52
persiaDktrKranz: They work from here, so I suspect it's a continental problem or smaller01:53
luk_white: you are also over here :-)01:54
DktrKranzor on a provider basis, I asked on IRC and they seem reachable for someone01:54
DktrKranzI'll try to use a proxy or some01:54
persiaDktrKranz: Could be.  You can't be doing too badly, or you'd have difficulty with IRC presence.01:55
_polto_Fujitsu, hello. I come back on Elphel cameras. :) Last things i have seen on mplayer ML is http://lists-archives.org/mplayer-dev-eng/19797-allow-elphel-cameras-to-work.html & http://lists-archives.org/mplayer-dev-eng/19858-allow-elphel-cameras-to-work.html01:56
_polto_Fujitsu, did you had some time to evaluate the possibility to include this patch in ubuntu's mplayer ?01:57
whiteluk_: i am practically everywhere :)01:57
whiteluk_: and of course i need to spy here at the enemy ;)01:57
persiawhite: enemy?01:58
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luk_persia: just a joke01:58
whitepersia: well don't you know that dds do not like ubuntu and no dd would ever come into an ubuntu channel?01:58
whitepersia: haven't you read the stories about that?01:58
Fujitsu_polto_: I've been really busy with school stuff lately, and will be for the next few weeks (exams for my last year of school coming up).01:58
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whiteFujitsu: i hope that you are applying for la trobe ;)01:59
whitethat is, if you are going to study :)01:59
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Fujitsuwhite: Not quite sure what I'm going to apply for at this time.01:59
whiteFujitsu: apply for living on campus and come to my college here :)02:00
whitei could use another OS developer :)02:00
_polto_Fujitsu, ok, just pls do not forgot about, or just transfer the tusk to somebody :)02:00
_polto_Fujitsu, and good chance!02:00
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Fujitsu_polto_: Non-school stuff is on the backburner at the moment, but I won't forget about it.02:00
HobbseeFujitsu: good luck with your exams!02:04
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FujitsuHobbsee: Thanks... almost there now.02:04
StevenKFujitsu: Best of luck!02:04
FujitsuStevenK: Danke.02:04
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persiaI'll be stopping my RC bug attack soon.  Do I need to poke anyone about the motu-uvf, ubuntu-archive, and unapproved items, or will they be taken care of without advocation?02:06
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Schnitzi this the right place to request feedback for a newly created deb package? i've just done it the first time so i'd like to get some hints...02:18
persiaSchnitz: If it's a package you intend to submit for inclusion in Ubuntu universe, yes.02:18
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Schnitzpersia: exactly. i've assigned a bug to myself yesterday and now i'm nearly finished doing the packaging but i'm not sure if i should just upload it to launchpad without showing anyone first02:20
DrKranzpersia, nagios-plugins vulnerability confirmed. I'll prepare a debdiff.02:20
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lamegoSchnitz, I hope you do not expect it to be available for Gutsy :P02:20
persiaSchnitz: You'll want to upload to a PPA or to REVU.  I think REVU is better if you're not sure about the packaging.02:20
ubotuREVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU02:21
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DrKranzwhite, nagios-plugins has not fixed in unstable yet, so I'll open a new bug report and attach a patch02:21
astimodeusgood evening peolpe, may I ask you a question?02:21
persiaDrKranz: Thanks.  I'll be away soon, but subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors and the security team (I forget the team name) to get the right people's attention.  You might also advertise the bug here.02:21
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Schnitzpersia: thanks02:21
persiaastimodeus: Please do so (although we may not answer)02:21
astimodeusI was wondering if i need to download beta versions of ubuntu to help with the development process or i can just  download the sources of what i want  to fix myself?02:23
persiaastimodeus: You can just download the sources of things you want to fix, but the fixes must be tested against the current development environment to be uploaded.02:23
astimodeusyes that's obvious ^_^02:23
astimodeusi've spent some time on the ubuntu wiki don't worry :D02:24
persiaastimodeus: There are a number of people who maintain a chroot or virtual environment with a current dev snapshot on a stable machine.  Unless you're really happy with seeing all the most recent bugs, that's probably easiest.02:25
astimodeusyeah good idea02:25
astimodeusi'm gonna get qemu or vmware then ;)02:26
astimodeusthank you02:26
Schnitzlamego: being honest i don't expect anything ;-)02:27
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blueyedScottK: the debdiff for bug 135695 applies cleanly for me!? But it appears that the debian/php4-* files do not get removed, but only truncated (to 0 bytes).02:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135695 in php-interbase "FTBFS: depends on php4-dev, which has been removed" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13569502:34
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persiablueyed: That's expected behaviour.  One must manually delete the 0 byte files after applying the debdiff.  The reason is that the diff.gz is not allowed to delete files, and debdiff adopts that behaviour.02:35
blueyedok, so the patch seems fine.02:36
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blueyedCan somebody please try, if the patch applies cleanly to php-interbase?02:39
persiablueyed: patch applied cleanly here.02:42
blueyedThanks, persia. I'll resubscribe u-u-s then.02:43
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Schnitzcould anyone please re-sync the revu uploaders keyring? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU says i should ask for that here after adding myself to the group (i also have a pgp key in my launchpad account)02:53
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Hobbseeoh yay, i remember why one *doesnt* terminate this for any reason, now.02:57
Hobbseethere we go, now it's working.02:57
xhakeri have a question for the english speakers here02:58
=== TheMuso ponders what the getdeb post was trying to achieve.
HobbseeTheMuso: unsure.  recruiting, probably02:59
xhakersickest is a bad word or a good word?  i mean to describe something rad/extraordinary/awesome?02:59
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Hobbseeit's a good word02:59
TheMusoHobbsee: hrm. I've never really liked that project for some reason.02:59
Hobbseeit's somewhat aol-speak-ish, though02:59
HobbseeTheMuso: yeah, well03:00
lamegoTheMuso, nothing, was an information email03:00
lamegobecause there is a lot of misinformed people03:00
lamegoTheMuso, what is your reason ?03:00
lamegoand there is people which find that information valuable03:01
lamegonot to mention, that information and debating ideas, is part of the CoC03:02
TheMusolamego: Probably because its one more source where people can get packages that are not certified as quality packages.03:02
xhakerHobbsee, thank god. I woudn't want people to misinterpret this posting http://digg.com/linux_unix/PIC_The_Sickest_Ubuntu_booth_you_have_ever_seen03:02
lamegoTheMuso, do you have numbers to show against getdeb, is this is just another theory based argument ?03:03
Hobbseexhaker: :)03:03
TheMusolamego: No, its born from a personal distrust of any other repo than the Ubuntu official repos. My opinion of PPAs is the same.03:03
whiteDktrKranz: i uploaded an NMU for nagios-plugins, it is in incoming03:04
DktrKranzwhite, thanks03:04
lamegoTheMuso, some of the people which contributes to getdeb, does also contribute for Debian and for Motu, you mean you don't trust on such people just because they are participating on a non official project ?03:05
DktrKranzI just prepared bug 152624, is it worth to upload it as a standalone fix or merge new version from Debian?03:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152624 in nagios-plugins "Buffer overflow in check_http.c (CVE-2007-5198)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15262403:06
DktrKranzI will check impact for stable releases soon03:06
Hobbseelamego: no, it's not that we dont trust them, as they do unofficial stuff.  at least for one of them, we dont trust him, as we've seen some of his packaging, and his requests.03:07
TheMusolamego: Great for them. If I was to use getdeb, and determined that it was someone from Debian or Ubuntu MOTU/core dev, I'd feel more comfortable in using their packges. By this I mean, actual people who have upload rights to the repos. However, its the rest of the packages that I woud not be so trustworthy of.03:07
whiteDktrKranz: wait and sync it from debian?03:07
lamegoyou can have an abstract distrust, unless you are based on ideology and not on real factors03:07
Hobbseehint:  don't request things to be removed from ubuntu that are not in it in the first place.03:08
lamegoHobbsee, you can't evaluate a team for 1 member, I could tell the same about the MOTUs :)03:08
TheMusoI've seen first hand what 3rd party repos can do to other distros, especially a distro that has no great packaging standards or QA in place.03:08
Hobbseelamego: none of our MOTU's are that bad - or else they wont have MOTU for very long, let me tell you...03:08
TheMusoSuch repos has packages often of really really questionable quality.03:09
lamegoHobbsee, try to be anonymous and chat with SteveK on one of his bad days :)03:09
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StevenKlamego: Explain.03:10
lamegoTheMuso, we have a clear statement of quality "Some of our packages do not meet Debian/Ubuntu QA requirements"03:10
lamegoStevenK, not again, we already had that debate, and I can assure you I am not the only one which contributes to Ubuntu, which finds you particular unpleasent on some debates03:10
lamegoanyway, we all have our share of bad temper some times03:11
Hobbseelamego: are you sure you're not confusing scottk and stevenk?03:11
Schnitzi've built a package for tvbrowser (java application) i everything works fine with debuild03:11
Hobbseelamego: based on the fact that you've already mashed their nicks.03:11
ScottKHobbsee: Probably.03:11
lamegoops, it was ScottK03:11
lamegosorry :P03:11
Schnitzbut when i try building with pbuilder it says: sun-dlj-v1-1 license could not be presented03:11
lamegoStevenK, sorry, for the nick confusion03:12
ScottKlamego: You're the one that said you didn't want to work on Ubuntu packaging because it was to much work to do it right.03:12
Schnitzis it possible to get this license to work with pbuilder or is it generally not allowed to use the sun-java* packages for building java applications?03:13
lamegoScottK, no, that is your interpretation, I said I don't want to work on Ubuntu packaging because I have other priorities and do not have enough time, that together with the fact that MOTU work is a time consuming task03:13
lamegoand is not that I don't want, is not that I do not have the required time03:14
TheMusolamego: Surely getdeb is also time consuming.03:14
lamegoyes, it is, and each of us does it owns choices, some people work on getdeb only, some people work on getdeb+ubuntu, some others on getdeb+debian, some others on debian+ubuntu, etc03:14
HobbseeTheMuso: apparently less so.  although, one may not end up doing as much testing, etc, perhaps?03:15
Schnitzcan anyone point me in the right direction please?03:15
lamegoregardless of my personal choice, getdeb work is available for debian, ubuntu, insert your preferred debian base distro here :)03:15
lamegoand, the most important, the users :)03:16
TheMusolamego: What are your requirements for package submission?03:16
HobbseeSchnitz: er, it's a pain.03:16
HobbseeSchnitz: better to use other java if you can - your package gets sent to multiverse, and it has to have manual fun when building03:16
blueyedSchnitz: don't know really, but found this when googling: bug 4529203:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 45292 in sun-java5 "sun-dlj-v1-1 license could not be presented" [Low,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4529203:16
lamegoTheMuso, http://wiki.getdeb.net/Package_Building/Acceptable_package_policy03:17
HobbseeSchnitz: it's because pbuilder never presents you with the dialog saying "do you accept these terms?" when it's installing the build-deps, so the entire build falls over, as they never got an asnwer03:17
lamegoif you are referring to QA, I am doing it for every package that get's published03:18
Hobbseelamego: what types of thigns do you look for, in terms of QA?03:18
TheMusolamego: As soon as anybody uses a repository other than the official Ubuntu/Debian repo, or an official mirror, they should be aware that any package they install from a 3rd-party repo could break their system, and they won't get support from the distro team to get help to fix their problem.03:18
ScottKHobbsee: Do you know if anyone is doing accepts just now?  I don't see any for uploads I did ~7 hours ago.03:19
SchnitzHobbsee: i could edit /etc/pbuilderrc and switch from noninteractive to readline03:19
HobbseeSchnitz: probably not yet03:19
HobbseeSchnitz: you probably could - but if it gets uploaded, it'll fail as well03:19
lamegoHobbsee, 1 - build  and run time depneds (using a schroot), 2 - provides an acceptable copyright notice, 3 - functional tests when possible, 4 - menu entry03:19
SchnitzHobbsee: ok so you think i should try using other java...if that doesn't work i can't do packaging for tvbrowser?03:19
lamegoif the package is not acceptable, but the requirement is justified, I will rebuild the entire packaging process myself03:20
HobbseeSchnitz: yeah, try with the other one.  if it doesnt work, there are ways around it (but they're a pain)03:20
lamegoTheMuso, that is why getdeb does not provide a repository, if you break your system, is because you have selected a package on the getdeb web site03:20
Hobbseelamego: oh, so you dont end up testing upgrades or anything, because it's all deb files, not a repo03:20
Hobbseeyes, i see hwo it could be less work, that way.03:21
lamegoTheMuso, getdeb packages have a ~getdeb~ tag, they can't be wrongly reported as official packages03:21
HobbseeScottK: no idea. maybe03:21
TheMusolamego: Its got nothing to do with the version tag on the packages.03:21
lamegoHobbsee, correct, our users were informed that they should remove all ~getdeb~ packages before upgrading to Gutsy03:21
Hobbseelamego: i actually meant between getdeb versions of packages, and such.  but that was going to be the next question :)03:22
lamegoHobbsee, yes, I do also validate package upgrades, between getdeb package version upgrades03:22
lamegoif a package is complex, and we do not have the required skills to build it or test it, it does not get published03:23
HobbseeTheMuso: i think the problem si that most people are thinking that it *is* a repository - which would (or should) naturally have a bit more QA03:23
TheMusolamego: So from that I am guessing you don't publish packages that need nweer versions of big infrastructure bits, such as libraries, so that you don't need to worry about conflicts/replaces/overrides?03:23
lamegoTheMuso, that is correct, we do not have enough human and technical to work on such packages03:24
lamegoTheMuso, we made a complete site re branding and slogan change 1 month ago, to avoid such confusions03:25
HobbseeTheMuso: do most of our bugs even come from getdeb?  i thought they were more from automatix and such.03:25
Hobbseefor some reason, i dont see many getdeb bugs reported.03:25
TheMusoHobbsee: I don't know.03:25
lamegoautomatix breaks people systems, getdeb does not, there were 4 seriously broken packages03:25
HobbseeTheMuso: and they appear to be somewhat sane, at least picking up most of the cases of packages not building, not upgrading, etc.03:25
lamegowhich included a mime cache file03:25
lamegoI mean, broke, not sure about automatix QA improvement03:26
white!info knowledgeroot gutsy03:27
ubotuknowledgeroot: web-based knowledgebase system. In component universe, is optional. Version (gutsy), package size 1266 kB, installed size 9416 kB03:27
HobbseeTheMuso: the getdeb stuff is probably the most safe 3rd party lot of repos out there.03:27
white!info knowledgeroot sid03:27
ubotuknowledgeroot: web-based knowledgebase system. In component main, is optional. Version (sid), package size 1218 kB, installed size 8760 kB03:27
lamegoalso, we do have a QA from users, which does help sometimes,  release comments , but this is most for runtime/functional QA03:28
whitethere is a version coming in containing a fix for CVE-2007-515603:28
ubotuIncomplete blacklist vulnerability in editor/filemanager/upload/php/upload.php in FCKeditor, as used in SiteX CMS 0.7.3.beta and probably other products, allows remote attackers to upload and execute arbitrary PHP code via a file whose name contains ".php." and has an unknown extension, which is recognized as a .php file by the Apache HTTP server, a different vulnerability than CVE-2006-0658 and CVE-2006-2529. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?03:28
Hobbseewhite: when will it be in?03:28
whiteHobbsee: just uploaded the NMU03:28
Hobbseewhite: great.03:28
whiteshould be able to backport the patch03:28
HobbseeScottK: can you hit that with your sync script?   this is your first verbal irc ack, and you can do the other.03:29
TheMusolamego: Ok, you and Hobbsee have eased my concerns somewhat. I'm just not one to trust 3rd-party repos, no matter who is involved, since I've been badly burnt by such repos on other distros in the past.03:30
lamegouff :)03:30
HobbseeTheMuso: of course, it helps that the ubuntu stuff will be prefered anyway.03:30
TheMusoHobbsee: yeah.03:31
lamegoUniverse is the core, getdeb is just an addon to Universe :P03:31
ScottKHobbsee: I could, but I'm leaving for church.03:33
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HobbseeScottK: after that is fine.03:33
ScottKI'll look at it if I have keyboard time, but not sure when that'll be.03:33
TheMusoIs anybody processing DktrKranz's nagios security bug?03:34
TheMusoIf not, I'll do it.03:34
DktrKranzTheMuso, I'm preparing merge too since white just uploaded a NMU03:35
TheMusoDktrKranz: Oh ok, I'll wait.03:35
DktrKranzjust a couple of minutes, then03:35
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SchnitzHobbsee: in the tvbrowser wiki they say explicitly for ubuntu/debian that it is required to use the sun java implementation for running (and so building i think) tvbrowser because the free java implementations are not 100% compatible (and break tvbrowser)03:38
SchnitzHobbsee: another problem is that it requires java >1.5 and the e.g. blackdown is only at ~1.403:39
HobbseeSchnitz: fair enough, then you'll have to use the sun-java, and i'tll have to go to multiverse03:40
SchnitzHobbsee: okay then i'll upload as soon as it builds using pbuilder using the sun java stuff, thanks for your assistance that is very friendly!03:41
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TheMusoAlright folks, I'm calling it a night. DktrKranz, sorry I am unable to help at this point.03:51
DktrKranzargh... just finished :(03:52
DktrKranzno problem then, I'll publish new debdiff to u-u-s03:53
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RAOFOk.  I'll leave that building overnight.  With any luck, eclipse takes < 8 hours to build on an x86-64 with 1Gb of ram.04:12
man-diRAOF: or OOMs before shortly before done because of not enough swap...04:14
man-diafter 8 hours of building04:14
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Schnitzhow long does it take after i uploaded something to REVU till it appears on the http interface? i've uploaded maybe 10 minutes ago05:04
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DktrKranzSchnitz: IIRC, REVU is updated every 5 minutes05:06
HobbseeSchnitz: what did you upload?05:06
Schnitzoh excuse me please i jost got an email that it was rejected because distro was unstable....think i should have used feisty but then the package checkers say that feisty is not a known distro05:07
NafalloSchnitz: gutsy or hardy I would say.05:07
Hobbseewhy do you want to use feisty?05:07
NafalloSchnitz: what are you trying to upload?05:07
Schnitzi'm trying to upload something for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/102910 (fabian stietzel is my real life name)05:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 102910 in ubuntu "[need-packaging]  TV-Browser" [Wishlist,In progress] 05:08
Schnitzplease excuse me i'm new to packaging05:08
Hobbseewell, you wont get that into feisty05:08
SchnitzHobbsee: no problem, then hardy? ;-)05:08
Hobbseeyes, you want hardy05:09
Schnitzi'm just trying to help, not trying to get something somewhere in asap or stuff like that ;-)05:09
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Schnitzok i rebuild with hardy05:09
man-didoes hardy exist already?05:10
StevenKHardy does not.05:10
Schnitzdoes not do what?05:10
StevenKIt's named, it won't be created until Gutsy is out the door05:11
Schnitzokay i see, so i now use gutsy because gutsy is still the current testing/unstable?05:12
Schnitzi'd just like to upload my package to be able to get some feedback05:12
StevenKFor now, build against gutsy05:12
StevenKIf people ask, say you don't want it in Gutsy. :-)05:13
Schnitzaha okay05:13
Schnitzso i can upload it using gutsy?05:14
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frafuHello, I am trying to build a source package for my ppa, but don't know what I should do with the Changelog file under in the debian directory. The changelog outside the debian directory already has several entries. Should I transfer the entries to the debian-changelog? If so, what tools should I use? (I created the debian dir with dh_make)05:16
lamegoSchnitz, this is not the right time to upload a new package to an official process, you would be better by just posting your building diff somewhere and ask for a MOTU review or mentoring05:17
lamegoright time as, in the release cycle05:17
Hobbseerevu is a place for review...05:17
lamegocan a package be uploaded to revu for inclusion on hardy, now ?05:18
gnomefreakfrafu: no just add your changes to debian/changelog if there are CVE in source changelog adding them might be good as well but only the latest changelog entry05:18
frafuAs a later version will probably go to REVU, I would like to make it at once conform for it05:18
gnomefreakfrafu: for ppa add ~ppa1 to the end of the version05:19
frafuShould I modify the changelog manualy?05:20
gnomefreakcan a motu please take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=360 please05:20
gnomefreakfrafu: yes or dch -i05:20
gnomefreakthan go to it and add ~ppa1 and anything else it didnt add05:20
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frafuBy the way, does the debian changelog refer to changes in the source or to changes to the packaging? (for example, it is the same source, but something is different in the source package)05:23
StevenKIt can refer to both05:23
StevenKIt usually refers to the latter only.05:24
frafuok;  thanks05:25
Schnitzi've put all the stuff dput would upload in a tarball: http://www2.ba-horb.de/~i06015/tvbrowser_deb.tar.gz05:27
Schnitzi'd be glad to recieve any feedback, if you like write an email to fabian@schnitz-online.de05:27
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lamontHobbsee: nope.  both syncing snort and dropping the arch:all cecilia are archive tasks05:37
Hobbseefair enough05:37
lamontPaS only affects where we build things05:38
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RainCTI'm working on a program that has some plugins (non-executable sh/bash scripts). Where should they go? /usr/share/<app name> ?05:41
RainCTok, thx05:43
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frafuThe copyright field in debian/copyright: Does it refer to the person who implemented the propgram or to the packager? I suppose the packager; can anybody confirm?06:00
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RainCTfrafu: copyright field?06:03
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RainCTfrafu: what do you mean? debian/copyright has no fields as far as I know, you just write all copyright information (both, of the program, and the package) there the way you want06:04
frafuthere is a template for the upstream, and another one named copyright06:04
frafuok; I set both, author and packager06:05
RainCTfrafu: here you have an example http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gbrainy/gbrainy_0.2-2/gbrainy.copyright06:05
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geserfrafu: debian/copyright contains both (packager and upstream) but the greatest part is about upstream copyright (and license)06:08
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frafuIt is a bit different from the template created by dh_make; but I see that the format is not strict; i will put upstream and packager into it; both GPL06:10
frafuBy the way, the packager information has been put in automatically by dh_make.06:12
geserfrafu: debian/copyright is freetext but most files have a similar layout and look06:13
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jdongthere's a few developers that have macbooks, right?06:17
amachubluekuja: ping06:18
Nafallojdong: should be one or two in the world :-)06:18
bluekujaamachu: heya06:18
Hobbseea few of them, yeah06:18
jdongNafallo: hehe :)06:18
jdongit almost worked out of the box with Gutsy... :)06:18
jdongminus needing madwifi svn06:18
jdongrigth now , I'm tryin to figure out how to enable palm detection of the touchpad06:19
jdongthe xorg.conf synaptics parameters don't have any effect06:19
amachubluekuja: yet to start work.. was held up with things a little..06:19
amachuping you as and when needed..06:19
amachubluekuja: you there?06:21
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bluekujaamachu: ye06:23
amachubluekuja: :-)06:23
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highvoltagehey bluekuja06:34
frafuI got a few warnings from debuild -S -sa. Could anybody please tell me what this warning means: dpkg-source: warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address06:36
bluekujaheya highvoltage06:36
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bluekujahow are you jon?06:37
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jdongfound the bug tha fixes my Intel panics06:39
bluekujajdong: :)06:39
jdongok, now last thing to tackle... battery life06:39
highvoltagebluekuja: ugh, I have my ups and downs :)06:39
bluekujahighvoltage: same here, what's up?06:40
frafuAnd this which is probably more serious: W: mousetweaks source: debian-rules-ignores-make-clean-error line 5606:40
bluekujahighvoltage: do you still have a planet on your website?06:40
highvoltagebluekuja: playing catch-up on work, for months now. just getting a bit frustrated06:40
highvoltagebluekuja: nope06:40
highvoltagebluekuja: I'll add one again in the future, the old one started to give some problems so I just took it off06:41
Hobbseeyay, catchup06:41
highvoltageHobbsee: yay! someone that understands!06:41
bluekujahighvoltage: oh that's why I cannot see it anymore06:41
frafuBut the binary builds under pbuilder06:41
highvoltagebluekuja: yep. your blog was on there, but I think you only ever made one post, right?06:41
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frafuI suppose that I can ignore the warnings!?06:42
bluekujahighvoltage: I deleted it, created an italian one, and some days ago made a new english one06:42
highvoltagebluekuja: aah06:42
bluekujahighvoltage: that's why only one post got published there06:42
highvoltagebluekuja: where's your new blog? I'll update my rss reader...06:42
bluekujahighvoltage: it's on blog.ibluepaper.com06:43
bluekujahighvoltage: you can grab the feed there06:43
bluekujahighvoltage: some news for that edubuntu-website discussion?06:44
bluekujahighvoltage: I see no more posts on the mailing list06:44
highvoltagebluekuja: each time we make some progress we have a setback and things get stalled a bit06:45
bluekujahighvoltage: there will be a meeting for that?06:45
highvoltagebluekuja: what's encouraging though, is that there's a better localisation plugin for drupal that will allow us to translate the site like we wanted to do waaay back06:45
highvoltagebluekuja: none scheduled, that I know of06:46
bluekujahighvoltage: oh cool! we talked about that plugin something like 1 year or more ago06:46
highvoltageyep, but back then it was quite buggy and didn't work very well06:47
bluekujahighvoltage: edubuntu-it is going great, forum and website area are alwais up-to-date06:47
highvoltagebluekuja: excellent!06:47
bluekujahighvoltage: and I received a lot of mails from several teachers in Italy06:47
highvoltagebluekuja: we also have a lot more people willing to translate the site, in a few weeks I want to start a translation drive06:47
bluekujahighvoltage: nice to hear, really, ping me for the italian part of translations06:48
bluekujahighvoltage: so I can organize myself with italian translators here06:48
highvoltagebluekuja: ok, sounds good06:48
highvoltagebluekuja: I see you also became a motu recently- congrats!06:48
bluekujahighvoltage: yeah! thanks a lot :)06:49
bluekujahighvoltage: ok, I finish something here, feel free to ping me anytime, you're alwais really welcome to me06:50
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ScottKwhite: For knowledgeroot: do I want or
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highvoltagebluekuja: ok, thanks :)07:03
bluekujahighvoltage: ;)07:03
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kagoui have problem using dput. I can't succesfully upload my files with (i precise : here at home). I suspect a router problem at home. Anybody have an idea ,07:09
pochuuploading to where?07:09
kagoupochu, to ppa07:11
sorenkagou: And what makes you think it doesn't work?07:12
kagouat home i have a little internet connection (2Mb) and i always have problem. At work all is Ok (other reouter and 8Mb)07:12
Nafallo2Mbps up should be well enough07:12
kagousommer, my upload stop (monitoring upload), dput seems to freeze.07:12
kagouif i use an ftp client like filezi_lla i have connection time out07:13
sorenIt can take a while. How big is your .orig.tar.gz?07:13
kagounot big07:13
kagou14 Mo07:13
kagouand i can wait one night it will make no difference07:14
sorenkagou: How long have you waited?07:14
jdong640KB/s up ought to be enough for anyone07:16
Hobbseejdong: try 128kbps07:16
jdongpoor Hobbsee :)07:16
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kagouit's not a time problem07:18
kagoui had time out with filezilla07:19
kagouconnection lost etc.07:19
Hobbseethen ctrl+c it.07:20
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kagouis at active or passive connection with ppa ?07:24
kagouok. i try to sniff my connection. see you07:29
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bluekujaScottK: around?07:36
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bluekujaScottK2: around?07:43
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blueyedIf there's only a bug fixed in a new Debian version, a sync request makes more sense than an Ubuntu patch, correct? (bug 152432)08:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152432 in duplicity "duplicity vs. ncftp" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15243208:20
geserblueyed: is it still the same upstream version?08:24
geserthen a sync should be possible08:25
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blueyedYes, makes more sense of course. But I'm not sure, what's easier to ACK (and do). Filed as bug 152714.08:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152714 in duplicity "[sync request]  Please sync duplicity 0.4.3-4 from Debian" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15271408:39
bluekujaScottK: ping me when back please08:40
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jussi01anyone know where i can get information on future UDS's?08:56
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ScottKbluekuja: I'm here.09:44
bluekujaScottK: about https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exaile/+bug/12340909:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 123409 in exaile "[exaile/gutsy]  crash in lib gtkembedmoz" [Undecided,Confirmed] 09:44
bluekujaScottK: I've added the patch posted there09:44
bluekujaand tested it out09:45
bluekujait doesnt crash anymore09:45
bluekujaon selecting sub-tabs09:45
bluekujalike lyrics or  artist09:45
bluekujajust wanted to hear an opinion from you09:45
bluekujaas far as you followed that bug09:45
bluekujasince the beginning09:45
ScottKbluekuja: If you have a fix for a crash bug that you are confident of, I would upload it.09:46
pochubluekuja: listen had a similar bug, which was fixed in a similar way... :)09:46
bluekujapochu: oh cool :)09:46
pochuI mean, it was crashing in the same function in gtkembedmoz, and adding MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/lib/firefox fixed it.09:46
bluekujaScottK: yeah, I thought you followed it closely09:46
bluekujapochu: yeah, it seems to be quite common09:46
ScottKbluekuja: Not that closely.09:47
bluekujapochu: currently I dont know if the bug can be found on python too09:47
bluekujapochu: there are a lot of bugs around about that lib09:47
bluekujapochu: but that's a workaround to have exaile working09:47
pochubluekuja: I think that was reported on bugzilla.mozilla.org...09:47
bluekujaScottK: ok then, I ask to pochu to test it as well09:47
bluekujapochu: can you test something for me please?09:48
pochuI think so.09:48
bluekujapochu: please apt-get install exaile09:48
=== pochu installs exaile
pochuhehe :)09:48
bluekujaopen it from terminal09:48
bluekujaadd a song in the active playlist09:48
pochuchange to lyrics :)09:49
=== pochu knows that bug from listen xD
bluekujanice, so I dont have to explain everything09:49
bluekujadoes it core dump?09:49
pochubluekuja: ermh, were are the lyrics in exaile?09:50
bluekujapochu: right click on the song09:51
pochuah, ty09:51
bluekujamove to information09:51
bluekujaand you have statistics selected09:51
bluekujamove to artist/lyrics09:51
bluekujaand should crash09:51
pochuyes, it does09:52
=== pochu applies the patch
bluekujapochu: ok, now I give you a link09:52
bluekujapochu: I give you deb file09:52
bluekujaso you can check it directly09:52
pochuwow, that's better :)09:52
bluekujaplease purge everything09:52
pochudone, link?09:54
bluekujapochu: http://incoming.ibluepaper.com/exaile_0.2.10+debian-1.1ubuntu2_i386.deb09:54
bluekujapochu: works fine?09:56
pochubluekuja: works fine now09:56
bluekujaok great09:56
bluekujauploading it then09:56
bluekujathanks pochu for helping out09:57
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bluekujaScottK: what time for the freeze tomorrow?10:04
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ScottKbluekuja: After 0001 UTC no uploads without motu-uvf approval.  After 1000 no uploads without release manager approval (assume that won't be forthcoming for anything in Universe).10:05
ScottKbluekuja: See /topic10:05
bluekujaScottK: ok thanks, anyway fix has been pushed. We'll wait for the ack tomorrow10:06
ScottKOK.  Those deadlines are for us to push.  Up to the RM when they accept.10:07
bluekujayeah, I guess the queue will be cleaned up10:07
bluekujaand not left undone10:07
bluekujaleaving now, good night ScottK10:08
ScottKOne hopes, but Universe stuff will come behind Main, so no guarantees.10:08
ScottKGood night.10:08
bluekujaI hope it will be in, that crash is bad to have, really.10:08
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bluekujacu tomorrow, take care10:08
ScottKStevenK, soren, or zul: Please have a look at Bug #152590 and Bug #151699.10:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152590 in polyxmass-doc "Please sync polyxmass-doc 0.9.1-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15259010:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151699 in gdc-4.1 "[UVFe]  gdc-4.1 0.25 new upstream release" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15169910:09
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 152590 in polyxmass-doc "Please sync polyxmass-doc 0.9.1-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15259010:53
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