[01:13] <PriceChild> Seveas, I thought ubuntu-irc was a team of operators trusted by the council which other channels could trust to take ops from? :/
[01:13] <Seveas> Seeker`, now try @btlogin, ubtu should reply with a URL
[01:13] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[01:13] <Seeker`> Error: Authentication failed
[01:14] <PriceChild> I bet the ` is messing it up :P
[01:15] <Seveas> try again, I forgot a semi-manual step (didn't want to wait for cron)
[01:15] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[01:15] <Seeker`> same again
[01:15] <Seveas> hmm
[01:16] <Seveas> 3rd time's a charm or I give up
[01:16] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[01:16] <Seveas> so try again please :)
[01:16] <Seeker`> same again
[01:16] <Seveas> ok, I give up
[01:17] <Seveas> ah, duh: first @login (to make it create your account) and then @btlogin
[01:17] <Seveas> doesn't happen too often that we add people :)
[01:17] <Seeker`> @login
[01:17] <ubotu> An error has occurred and has been logged.
[01:17] <Seveas> yay
[01:17] <Seveas> *now* the ` is messing it up :)
[01:18] <Seeker`> woo :P
[01:18] <Amaranth> Seveas: do you remember MatBoy?
[01:18] <ompaul> vague memories
[01:19] <Seveas> Seeker`, actually, @btlogin might work, the error occured after account creation
[01:19] <Seveas> Amaranth, not really
[01:19] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[01:19] <Amaranth> https://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/bans.cgi?query=wiljewelwetenhe.xs4all.nl&bans=on
[01:19] <Seveas> @reload FreenodeAuth
[01:19] <ubotu> OK
[01:19] <Daviey> Seeker`: out of interest - why did you pick to have a "'" in your nick?
[01:20] <Seveas> Amaranth, ah, one of the offtopicers, I remember that incident
[01:20] <Seveas> Amaranth, he's probably no older than 11, pm'ed me in sms-language dutch
[01:21] <Seeker`> Seveas: Works now
[01:21] <Amaranth> heh
[01:21] <Amaranth> He doesn't seem to understand the problem
[01:21] <Seveas> where's he now?
[01:21] <Seeker`> Daviey: I tried "Seeker" on another network, and it was taken, so I added a '
[01:21] <Daviey> heh.. /me adds "DROP ALL" to his nick :P
[01:21] <Amaranth> Seveas: #compiz-fusion
[01:21] <Amaranth> and a bunch of other places
[01:22] <Seeker`> Daviey: heh
[01:22] <Seveas> Daviey, input is properly escaped :p
[01:22] <Seeker`> XKCD ftw
[01:22] <Seveas> Amaranth, kill :)
[01:22] <Seveas> Seeker`, yup
[01:22] <Amaranth> "it seems to be the ubuntu way to kick people there"
[01:23] <Seveas> would be a shame if he was a liar
[01:25] <Seeker`> Seveas: Why doesn't the bantracker distinguish between kicks and bans?
[01:25] <ompaul> Seeker`, removes and kicks are the same and bans are +b 
[01:26] <ompaul> Seeker`, want a demo?
[01:26] <Seveas> Seeker`, hm?
[01:26] <Seveas> it shouldn't make a difference, it should store both :)
[01:26] <Seeker`> Seveas: I understand that it should store both, but browsing quickly there isn't any difference in the presentation of a ban or a kick
[01:27] <Seveas> true
[01:27] <Daviey> @login
[01:27] <Seveas> you recognize them by mask, bans have a ! and @ in there, kicks/removes not
[01:27] <Daviey> Seveas: can you ack me?
[01:27] <Seeker`> Seveas: Fair enough
[01:28] <Daviey> thanks
[01:28] <Daviey> @login
[01:29] <Seveas> try again
[01:29] <Seveas> the syncer wasn't finished yet
[01:30] <Daviey> @login
[01:30] <ubotu> OK
[01:30] <Daviey> woo
[01:30] <Daviey> @btlogin
[01:30] <Seeker`> @login
[01:30] <ubotu> OK
[01:30] <Seeker`> woo :)
[01:30] <Daviey> Seveas: hey, you removed the 'human' theme \o/
[01:31] <Seveas> :)
[01:59] <Mez> @login
[01:59] <ubotu> OK
[02:30] <nalioth> that was most interesting.  my X just shut down spontaneously
[02:31] <rob> H4X0R!
[02:31] <jrib> compiz?
[02:45] <nalioth> nope, no compiz involved
[03:10] <PriceChild> gah i'm subscribed to ubuntu-irc with @ubuntu.com, but it seems like its sending emails to @gmail.com so when i simply click reply it just doesn't accept it :/
[03:27] <Pici> kahrytan, troll or not?
[03:27] <Pici> Or just generally clueless
[03:28] <PriceChild> nick rings a bell#
[03:28] <PriceChild> where is it?
[03:28] <LjL> he's been in -offtopic for a relatively long time
[03:29] <PriceChild> @btlogin
[03:29] <LjL> i think he might have been sort of trollish at times, but i don't really remember
[03:29] <Pici> I didnt even check the tracker yet..
[04:25] <krux0> i need to get back into #ubuntu...I believe I changed to the port to 8001. Netstat reports 8001 open on niven.freenode.net. Can someone validate this? 
[04:33] <krux0> i am not a bot
[04:33] <krux0> i need to get back into #ubuntu
[04:34] <Pumpernickel> Please be patient; people who can help you will, when they get here.
[04:36] <krux0> thank you
[05:14] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:01] <ubot3> In #freenode, GPT said: !bAH, my link is better.
[08:31] <Tm_T> good morning
[08:44] <Tm_T> hmm, was there some way to clear ban lists from irssi windows?
[11:01] <Tm_T> wow
[11:01] <Tm_T> wii is not banned anymore :O
[11:02] <Seveas> was muted, not banned
[11:02] <Tm_T> ah right
[11:52] <Hattory> Hi all.... could you please add my ubuntu/member cloak? my LP profile is https://edge.launchpad.net/~hattory/
[11:55] <jpatrick> hi Hattory
[11:56] <Hattory> hi jpatrick ;)
[11:56] <jpatrick> (remember you from last CC meeting)
[11:56] <jpatrick> good to know I'm not the only 16 year old on ubuntu
[11:57] <Hattory> jpatrick, yea :D 
[11:57] <Hattory> young peoples rock
[11:57] <Hattory> people*
[11:58] <nalioth> cloaks, eh?
[11:58] <Hattory> nalioth, yes
[11:59] <nalioth> please link an alternate nick and add an email, Hattory 
[12:02] <Hattory> nalioth, ok
[12:06] <nalioth> Hattory: when you are done, just PM me that you've completed the task, and i'll turn on your cloak
[12:06] <Hattory> nalioth, no problem... thanks
[01:52] <Hobbsee> mc44: btw - there have been a fair few instances of trolls using the info in this channel
[01:53] <mc44> Hobbsee: yes, I wasn't saying you shouldn't kick people
[01:53] <mc44> Hobbsee: however Sev seams to think it no applies to everyone
[01:54] <Seeker`> There should be a quick "can anyone vouch for this person" before they are kicked though
[02:07] <d1n0> Is this a nice place to meet a young girl?
[02:08] <mc44> No.
[02:08] <d1n0> ah, someone tricked me :)
[02:08] <mc44> ok then
[02:08] <Hattory> lol
[02:20] <ikonia> did someone call me ?
[02:24] <ompaul> ikonia, I can by phone :)
[02:24] <ikonia> you could if I was on a machine with a sound card :D
[02:25] <ikonia> hello ompaul, how are you
[02:25] <ompaul> mobiled phonez
[02:25] <ompaul> great
[02:26] <ikonia> good good
[02:26] <ikonia> just how it should be ?
[02:26] <ompaul> better almost ;-)
[02:26] <ompaul> I got energy for the first time in years
[02:26] <ikonia> now that is good to hear
[02:26] <ikonia> doing something production with it ?
[02:26] <ikonia> the energy that is
[02:27] <ompaul> I had no idea what normal energy reserves were like
[02:27] <ompaul> the op the diet the exercise
[02:28] <ompaul> so this is what it is like to be a normally healthy person ;-) I'll keep it thanks
[02:28] <ikonia> big difference huh
[02:28] <ompaul> I had  no idea
[02:28] <ikonia> its nice to hear you feeling so well 
[02:28] <ompaul> :)
[02:29] <ompaul> ikonia,  even listening to leonard cohen would not get me down today 
[02:29] <ikonia> thats strong positive attitude
[02:30] <ompaul> na its a simple fact :)
[02:31] <ompaul> ikonia, but then again I think I am not listening to him - I am listening to coldplay and being bored so I think I will pump some semi pop
[02:31] <ikonia> ramp it up !
[02:32] <ompaul> its loud enough thanks :)
[02:32] <ikonia> I meant pick up the pace 
[02:32] <ompaul> inxs is what I call semi pop :)
[02:56] <jrib> .ubotu fix bantracker!
[03:09] <PriceChild> @now
[03:09] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: October 14 2007, 13:09:21 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 2 days
[03:10] <Seeker`> lo PriceChild 
[03:10] <PriceChild> Hey Seeker` 
[03:10] <PriceChild> Hello Hattory, can I help?
[03:11] <Hattory> PriceChild, i'm waiting for the cloak
[03:12] <PriceChild> ubuntu member?
[03:12] <Hattory> yes
[03:12] <PriceChild> Is anyone currently dealing with you or shall I try and sort it out? :)
[03:13] <Hattory> nalioth, should activate it
[03:16] <Hattory> PriceChild, 
 Hattory: when you are done, just PM me that you've completed the task, and i'll turn on your cloak
[03:16] <Hattory> ;)
[03:16] <PriceChild> right ok :)
[03:16] <PriceChild> he's away though so you'll have to wait :P
[03:16] <Hattory> yes... no problem :D
[03:17] <PriceChild> Yeah see you've been added to the launchpad team, I'm sure he'll be back soon :)
[03:17] <Hattory> yes!
[03:18] <PriceChild> Until the updated group contact form goes through, the irc council can't really ask other freenode staffers for the cloaks as we're not really group contacts yet.
[03:19] <Hattory> ok
[03:41] <troubled> hello
[03:42] <troubled> some stats for you: http://picpaste.com/chan_msg_counts.jpg
[03:42] <troubled> gratz :)
[04:27] <ompaul> ikonia, eh check out the playlist ;-)
[04:27] <ompaul> not back long 
[04:33] <ubotu> cafuego called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:33] <ubotu> MartinW called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:35] <gnomefreak> isnt cafuego an op?
[04:36] <gnomefreak> or wasnt he
[04:37] <Seeker`> gnomefreak: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list
[04:38] <gnomefreak> Seeker`: i know ho to tell if he does but it wont tell me if he was
[04:38] <gnomefreak> seeing as he was the bot owner i thought he had ops
[04:40] <Seeker`> gnomefreak: sorry
[05:13] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: I have since realized that the thing I was going to ask about would be insane, since it would require promoting a package from universe to main before Thursday.  :P
[05:13] <tonyyarusso> So, nvm
[05:13] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:13] <gnomefreak> good luck
[05:14] <gnomefreak> what package?
[05:14] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: compizconfig-settings-manager
[05:14] <tonyyarusso> anyway, on my way out the door again
[05:14] <gnomefreak> if all the depends are in main its possible but this late unlikely unless you can get a core-devl and archive admin to do it
[05:14] <gnomefreak> to ack it
[05:19] <ikonia> did someone call again
[05:19] <ikonia> my connection dropped and it looks like someone said me name
[05:20] <ompaul> ikonia, yeah they did, in fact it was me :)
[05:20] <ikonia> hello again
[05:20] <ikonia> sorry my connection is a bit flakey at the moment
[05:20] <ompaul> ikonia, no worries
[05:20] <ikonia> well, not mine, my connection from where I am to my machine at home 
[05:20] <ikonia> apologies if I drop in and out, if its bad I'll leave the channels to not cause disruption
[05:22] <ompaul> na it is not too frequent - we have some people who seem to accept falling off the internet every 3 mins as good they get banned but staying on more than once an hour is okay
[05:22] <ompaul> for more than an hour that is
[05:22] <ikonia> my connection is normally rock solid, however today I'm struggling
[05:22] <ompaul> openvpn ?
[05:23] <ikonia> ahh openvpn !
[05:23] <ikonia> a favourite
[05:24] <ompaul> nothing like a good openvpn config file edit to kick off the week ;-)
[05:25] <Hattory> PriceChild, if nalioth comes back you can ping him?
[05:25] <ikonia> a good introduction
[05:25] <ompaul> ikonia, been using it for years
[05:25] <ompaul> changed versions and got bitten ;-)
[05:25] <ikonia> I've touched on it, I'm considering it for a vpn I work on at the moment
[05:25] <ompaul> Hattory, perhaps I can help 
[05:26] <ompaul> ikonia, it is good stuff
[05:26] <ompaul> ikonia, however use linux / freebsd both ends - not that other popular heap of trash
[05:26] <ompaul> for more than religious reasons
[05:26] <gnomefreak> Hattory: i think PriceChild is away atm
[05:26] <ikonia> I have no use for the operating system you speak of
[05:27] <ompaul> ikonia, I love it when someone says the likes of that
[05:27] <Hattory> uhm...
[05:27] <ompaul> have a coffee and a gold start
[05:27] <ompaul> gold star
[05:27] <gnomefreak> ikonia: he didnt say windows freebsd is cool :)
[05:27] <ikonia> gnomefreak ha ha ha
[05:27] <gnomefreak> just wish i knoew how to make the best of it but will try again some day when i feel like reinstalling everything
[05:28] <gnomefreak> Hattory: can we help you with something?
[05:28] <Hattory> I'm waiting for the cloak... 
[05:28] <Hattory> i talk with nalioth this morning
[05:28] <gnomefreak> ah ok member ckoak?
[05:28] <Hattory> I*
[05:28] <ompaul> gnomefreak, I actually don't see the joke .. can you explain it to me .. or ikonia perhaps 
[05:28] <gnomefreak> clock even
[05:28] <gnomefreak> ompaul: yes
[05:28] <ompaul> Hattory, cloak even
[05:29] <gnomefreak> 11:26 <          ikonia > I have no use for the operating system you speak of
[05:29] <ompaul> ahh
[05:29] <gnomefreak> ompaul: when you said linux/freebsd
[05:29] <Hattory> gnomefreak, yes
[05:29] <ompaul> gnomefreak, well caught
[05:29] <gnomefreak> ompaul: are cloaking or does it have to go through nalioth 
[05:29] <ompaul> I can 
[05:30] <gnomefreak> Hattory: is waiting for ome, i missed the meeting so im assuming he got memebership
[05:30] <ompaul> gnomefreak, well we gota check
[05:30] <gnomefreak> i can look
[05:30] <ompaul> please you will be faster than me
[05:30] <gnomefreak> Hattory: give me a minute please
[05:31] <Hattory> gnomefreak, yea :D no problem... 
[05:31] <gnomefreak> Hattory: what is real name?
[05:31] <Hattory> Paolo Naldini
[05:32] <Hattory> hi Seveas 
[05:32] <ompaul> Seveas, Hattory okay for a cloak?
[05:32] <gnomefreak> ompaul: he did make it
[05:32] <ompaul> Hattory, make my day ask seveas for that cloak 
[05:33] <Seveas> ompaul, isn't he in the cloaks group already?
[05:33] <gnomefreak> afaik from agenda page he was accepted
[05:33] <Seveas> ompaul, he's ok for a cloak
[05:33] <ompaul> done
[05:33] <gnomefreak> checking
[05:33] <ompaul> ehh 
[05:33] <gnomefreak> he is
[05:33] <ompaul> Hattory, here have a look at this
[05:33] <Seveas> Recently approved
[05:33] <Seveas>     * Naldini Paolo (hattory) 
[05:33] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-cloaks
[05:33] <Seveas> (ubuntu-irc-cloaks)
[05:33] <ompaul> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[05:34] <gnomefreak> Seveas: by rule they have to be accepted into the irc-cloaks team then they get cloaked?
[05:34] <Hattory> one second...
[05:34] <Seveas> gnomefreak, that's the easiest way to keep administration correct
[05:35] <gnomefreak> ok makes checking alot easier
[05:35] <PriceChild> Hattory, woo :)
[05:35] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: good morning
[05:36] <Hattory> -.-'
[05:36] <Hattory> LOL
[05:36] <Hattory> but but....
[05:36] <Seveas> butter
[05:36] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, ty
[05:37] <Hattory> Nobody warned me
[05:37] <Hattory> XD
[05:38] <Hattory> ok thanks
[06:22] <nalioth> hattory has been cloaked for quite some time
[07:13] <Supremus> hello
[07:13] <nalioth> hi Supremus, what's up?
[07:15] <Supremus> nalioth, could you please add my ubuntu/member cloak?
[07:16] <nalioth> what's your LP page, Supremus ?
[07:16] <Supremus> https://launchpad.net/~schwitzd
[07:18] <nalioth> woops, make that 'kill my browser' (it just failed)
[07:18] <nalioth> Supremus: enjoy your cloak  :)  make us proud  :)
[07:19] <Supremus> nalioth, thanks !
[07:19] <Supremus> :D
[07:20] <Supremus> i go tanks
[07:36] <nalioth> LjL: PriceChild: please fill out one of these, and put seveas as the "approving contact"  http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml
[07:37] <PriceChild> nalioth, could you op me in #ubuntuforums-hardware please?
[07:40] <PriceChild> gah this contact form is evil :)
[08:02] <Seeker`> PriceChild: How can a form be "evil"?
[08:03] <Daviey> It asks for the sacrifice of 3 cats
[08:03] <Seeker`> but cats are evil themselves
[08:05] <nalioth> what is the square root of the residual soul weight left in the dead cats?      <<< it ask stuff like that, too
[08:06] <jussi01> nalioth: 0, cats dont have souls :P
[08:06] <nalioth> not after they're dead, no
[08:06] <Seeker`> nalioth: Or before they are dead
[08:06] <nalioth> they're full of baby souls when they are alive
[08:06] <nalioth> don'tcha know anything about cats?
[08:06] <Seeker`> i know they are pure evil
[08:10] <ompaul> oneko does not agree
[08:31] <Pricey> gah
[08:32] <jussi01> Pricey: dodgy connection?
[08:33] <Pricey> jussi01, nope dodgy modem
[08:33] <jussi01> Pricey: ahhh... amounts to much the same thing :)
[08:33] <Pricey> might be overheating... not sure
[08:33] <jussi01> Pricey: just open the window :P:P
[08:35] <Dave2> Pricey, water cool your modem.
[08:35] <Pricey> tempting
[08:36] <jussi01> hehe
[08:36] <jdong> just dump it in a tub of oil.
[08:36] <jdong> problem solved
[08:37] <nalioth> use flammable oil, for sure resolution
[09:25] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[09:56] <Pricey> *turns modem upside down in hope that'll fix overheating problems*
[09:56] <Pricey> Hey totopalma, can I help?
[09:56] <totopalma> hi :)
[09:57] <totopalma> sorry for my english
[09:57] <totopalma> is possible to have
[09:57] <totopalma> the cloack ?
[09:57] <totopalma> ubuntu/member
[09:57] <LjL> totopalma: you need to be an ubuntu member
[09:58] <totopalma> LjL, yes
[09:58] <totopalma> i am an ubuntu member
[09:58] <Pricey> Are you an Ubuntu Member totopalma? (part of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers )
[09:58] <totopalma> a moment
[09:58] <Pricey> totopalma, could we have your launchpad url please?
[09:58] <LjL> totopalma: https://launchpad.net/~palma-salvatore i assume
[09:58] <totopalma> yes :)
[09:59] <totopalma> https://edge.launchpad.net/~palma-salvatore
[09:59] <totopalma> :)
[09:59] <Pricey> LjL, you wanna sort it? :)
[09:59] <LjL> Pricey: probably better for him :)
[10:00] <Pricey> ah what with the Italian and all.... :P
[10:00] <LjL> totopalma: ho bisogno che ti ti assicuri 1) di avere un indirizzo email registrato qui su IRC (scrivi /msg nickserv info totopalma per controllare, se non sei sicuro di averlo)   2) che tu abbia un secondo nickname "linkato" a quello principale (anche qui, /msg nickserv)
[10:01] <totopalma> ok
[10:01] <Amaranth> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-users <--wth
[10:01] <LjL> Amaranth: what about it?
[10:02] <Amaranth> weird team
[10:03] <LjL> Amaranth: quite. but i suppose it can't do any harm
[10:03] <totopalma> LjL, il secondo nick linkato al primo  palmatoto
[10:03] <totopalma> linkato al principale
[10:04] <LjL> totopalma: bene, l'email c'? (chiedo a te semplicemente perch io non posso vedere se c', se  marcata privata)
[10:05] <totopalma> LjL, si, ho messo quella con l'alias ubuntu.com
[10:07] <LjL> totopalma: va benissimo. dovrebbe arrivarti un'email con la conferma dell'entrata nel team ubuntu-irc-cloaks. per la cloak vera e propria, dovrai aspettare ancora un pochino fino a che non mi capita sottomano qualcuno dello staff di Freenode
[10:07] <totopalma> ok :)
[10:07] <totopalma> grazie :)
[10:08] <totopalma> LjL, arrivata
[10:08] <totopalma> :)
[10:08] <totopalma> ciao :)
[10:09] <LjL> grazie a te
[10:58] <Amaranth> wii/mii is back
[11:00] <Amaranth> Seveas: ping
[11:00] <Seveas> ou
[11:00] <Seveas> oi
[11:00] <Seveas> troubles somewhere?
[11:00] <Amaranth> #ubuntu-desktop
[11:00] <Amaranth> and probably every other channel Wii/Mii is in
[11:00] <Seveas> -ChanServ- [Amaranth]  has been added to the access list for #ubuntu-desktop with level [10] 
[11:00] <Amaranth> thanks
[11:00] <Seveas> #kubuntu and the -fr channels that is
[11:01] <Amaranth> ?
[11:01] <Seveas> (that's where he's in)
[11:01] <Seveas> and ##windows, but I don't care about that :)
[11:01] <Amaranth> hehe
[11:02] <Wii> ok wrong ch hhh :D
[11:02] <Amaranth> ...
[11:03] <LjL> hhh
[11:03] <Seveas> nothing says troll like a hit-and-run
[11:04] <Amaranth> This is the guy that was disrupting #ubuntu-motu, no?
[11:04] <Amaranth> I could have sworn he was klined, not that it would help
[11:04] <LjL> he's been bothering #ubuntu-desktop for a while for sure
[11:04] <LjL> i think he *was* once klined
[11:04] <Seveas> dunno, didn't know what happened there
[11:04] <LjL> but the address is dynamic
[11:04] <Amaranth> he won't be bothering #ubuntu-desktop anymore
[11:05] <Amaranth> well, not more than a couple minutes at a time anyway
[11:05] <Seveas> Amaranth, any other suitable +o candidates there? The list is pretty short
[11:05] <Amaranth> i don't think so
[11:05] <Seveas> k
[11:05] <Amaranth> LjL can handle the #kubuntu ones
[11:06] <LjL> handle what?
[11:06] <Amaranth> if wii causes any trouble
[11:06] <Amaranth> although i'd just ban him outright before he gets a chance
[11:06] <Amaranth> he has been causing trouble everywhere
[11:06] <LjL> i think he's banned in #k already, by ident
[11:07] <Seveas> mii has a diff. ident
[11:07] <Seveas> and is in #kubuntu
[11:07] <LjL> ah
[11:08] <LjL> ok, with ident and real name change, there's little more than banning the hostname we can do
[11:08] <Seveas> you could ban ?ii!*@*.wanadoo.fr
[11:08] <Seveas> I doubt there will be many false positives to that
[11:09] <Amaranth> now it's down to #ubuntu-fr #kubuntu-fr
[11:09] <Amaranth> i think he is still muted in #ubuntu-fr
[11:10] <Amaranth> #ubuntu-fr told me to leave though :P
[11:11] <LjL> Seveas: if he can change the ident and the realname, he can change the nickname more creatively for sure =)
[11:11] <Seveas> LjL, but does he want to? :)
[11:12] <Amaranth> maybe but he'd have to figure out how he was banned first
[11:12] <Seveas> he seems keen on the wii/mii gig
[11:12] <Amaranth> yeah
[11:12] <LjL> Seveas: he'd try iiw if we banned both
[11:12] <Seveas> ban wanadoo entirely until they drop stupid clients
[11:12] <Amaranth> and maybe there will be some pattern to the IP he gets so we only have to ban a few hundred possibilities instead of a whole ISP
[11:13] <Seveas> :)
[11:13] <Amaranth> "Wannadoo Broadband is now Orange Broadband"
[11:13] <Amaranth> i'm in the US and even I know that name :P
[11:13] <LjL> Seveas: yeah well wanadoo.fr *has* a copious amount of trolls, but it's still not like 83.230 to warrant a net ban :)
[11:14] <Seveas> :)
[11:14] <LjL> Amaranth: except it's got one N only
[11:15] <Amaranth> LjL: huh?
[11:15] <Amaranth> oh
[11:15] <Amaranth> just a typo though, it's still orange
[11:15] <jdong> what do YOU wannado?
[11:15] <jdong> that sounds like some butchered MS slogan
[11:16] <jdong> In Soviet Russia, ISP wannado YOU
[11:17] <Pici> o.O
[11:19] <ompaul> jdong, in soviet russia users ban ops
[11:19] <jdong> that sounds like fun :)
[11:20] <ompaul> in soviet russia software compiles you
[11:20] <jdong> In Soviet Russia, DRM restricts YOU
[11:20] <jdong> oh wait it does that here too
[11:20] <Pici> harhar
[11:21] <ompaul> jdong, :)
[11:21] <ompaul> in soviet russia drm frees you
[11:21] <ompaul> perhaps
[11:22] <ompaul> in soviet russia irc talks on you
[11:23] <LjL> in soviet russia you make sense
[11:24] <ompaul> no no no
[11:24] <ompaul> in soviet russia sense makes you
[11:24] <LjL> yes, i know it didn't follow the standard IETF approved russian joke pattern
[11:25] <ompaul> LjL, which leads to the classic
[11:25] <ompaul> in soviet russia jokes tell you
[11:25] <LjL> they do in italy too, when my friends get bored of talking about football
[11:26] <LjL> (football *network games* actually, most of the time)
[11:27] <jdong> LjL: In Iran we don't have russian jokes, like in your country.
[11:27] <ompaul> LjL, you do live in the land of the beautiful game
[11:27] <LjL> ompaul, don't make me want to hurt you
[11:27] <ompaul> LjL, ignoring soccer is a great game
[11:27] <ompaul> I have managed to do it for years
[11:28] <Pici> I've ignored soccer _and_ football
[11:28] <ompaul> LjL, now if it was rugby .. that is worth watching 
[11:28] <jdong> I've ignored the outside world for 19 years and still going strong
[11:28] <LjL> me too, but i've had to put up with the embarrassment of replying "none" to "what's your favorite football team" during infancy. that's a tremendous shock for an italian child to bear.
[11:29] <LjL> in soviet russia though, world ignores you
[11:31] <LjL> you realize you should start putting your Samba shares in fstab when you type a 100-characters long mount line automatically -- and it turns out it's the one that mounts the *wrong* share
[11:31] <ompaul> in soviet russia computers run you .... ohh wait, I have just discovered the the core idea, and how they got it for the matrix - hollywood owes irc
[11:32] <LjL> ompaul: but, being the free software advocate that you are, you really can't ask for the rights now.
[11:34] <ompaul> I want them to share with everyone on the planet
[11:34] <ompaul> and stop treating their customers as criminals
[11:35] <ompaul> for instance walking into a cinema - I am still shocked by this
[11:35] <LjL> you're shocked that people walk into cinemas?
[11:36] <ompaul> getting an announcement on the screen that they would remove people with cameras
[11:36] <LjL> ah, we don't get those.
[11:36] <ompaul> and confiscate cameras
[11:36] <ompaul> well I wanted someone arrested for assault 
[11:37] <LjL> we merely have the obnoxious ad: "would you ever steal a car? would you ever steal a book? would you ever steal a movie? piracy - is - a - crime"
[11:37] <ompaul> that as well
[11:37] <LjL> ompaul: those announcements won't be needed anymore when all cameras come with a built-in stegano mark detector that shuts down the camera when it detects a pattern marking a protected movie, you know that
[11:37] <ompaul> so I let it be known in the cinema - and seveas can testify to the fact that I have a loud voice
[11:38] <LjL> heheh
[11:38] <LjL> i give them the finger when they play the ad, but i dare not shout :P
[11:38] <ompaul> that notice was a crime, it was assault and people should not stand for it
[11:38] <ompaul> we as consumers have options and I for one will not be back for a good while 
[11:39] <ompaul> now that is the law of this land
[11:39] <LjL> yeah we have the option of building our own record player, i'm afraid
[11:40] <LjL> i hate it that i've just bought this symbian phone that is *filled* with trusted computing, every app has to be signed by symbian, blearg
[11:43] <ompaul> you know DRM is just another way of enforcing the cartel and its monopoly 
[11:43] <ompaul> if you forgive me mixing my metaphors
[11:44] <LjL> ompaul: in that case it goes further than just the music/video industries... for instance, getting GSM cell id information is "protected" and can't be done by self-signed applications. that's to protect me, of course - not, it's because phone companies want to provide their own location-based services
[11:44] <ompaul> that is theft of your freedom
[11:45] <ompaul> can you get that information from some other $phone ?
[11:45] <LjL> ompaul: i think i could on, err, windows mobile ones - since i don't think they're using signatures to restrict the API (at least heavily) yet
[11:45] <LjL> and surely i could get it on openmoko or greenphone, i bet
[11:46] <LjL> but then again, i wouldn't pay an openmoko 99 like i paid this one. once again, cheapness wins over ideals
[11:46] <ompaul> what is openmoko costing?
[11:46] <LjL> i think the dev version is 300, and the final version is planned to be 500
[11:46] <LjL> that's not my target price for a phone really
[11:47] <ompaul> mass produced so in a year after that it will be sub 200
[11:47] <LjL> if it gets sub 200, with wifi and all the bells and whistles, i'd consider it
[11:47] <LjL> i think you can
[11:47] <LjL> i'm not sure, but i think they just give them out, they simply lack some hardware that will be in the final version
[11:48] <LjL> i'm not *sure* openmoko/greenphone are 100% open, anyway, should need to check. you know, for instance, that FCC regulation that basically says, "if you run software defined radios on open source software, we'll laugh at you and never certify it"?
[11:49] <LjL> for some parts they might simply be forced to lock things down
[11:49] <ompaul> hmm
[11:50] <ompaul> I like the irish dept of communications rules better
[11:51] <ompaul> you can drive the device any way you like 
[11:51] <LjL> ompaul: and you know, on symbian, even if you write an app that only uses what they call sometimes the "user-grantable" capabilities, and sometimes the "user-UNDERSTANDABLE" capabilities... i.e. you don't use what they consider to be "sensitive" APIs (which are mostly harmless really)
[11:51] <ompaul> BUT don't step outside of the allowed frequencies or power or you will feel us breathing down your neck
[11:52] <LjL> well, even then, you can self-sign your application (it cannot simply be UNsigned), but the certificate you sign it with expires after a while anyway
[11:52] <ompaul> thats nutz
[11:52] <LjL> (yeah, you *can* just wind back the phone's clock to install the application, but....)
[11:52] <ompaul> with a capital Z
[11:52] <ompaul> LjL, I really don't want to know any more it is depressing :)
[11:53] <LjL> ompaul: yeah that's reasonable, "do what you wish just don't break the sensible rules we have", but the trend instead seems to be "in order that you don't break the sensible rules, you aren't allowed to even touch your own equipment"
[11:53] <LjL> ompaul: well that's basically everything. except, perhaps, i should mention that symbian used to be a really *fine*, though always closed-source, operating system, and they've ruined it like that.  (and in other technical ways too - such as, it takes 1 minute to boot)
[11:54] <ompaul> ffs
[11:54] <ompaul> I need to diall 112 and you have to wait a min
[11:54] <ompaul> thats nuts
[11:54] <ompaul> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[11:54] <LjL> ompaul: but, you see, "this is just a phone". people aren't even used to the concept that they can install applications on a phone *at all*, so they won't mind if certificates are needed to do that
[11:55] <ompaul> LjL, we need to write an app that encourages them to program it
[11:55] <ompaul> ;-)
[11:55] <ompaul> and get that application signed
[11:55] <LjL> once they get used to seeing "This application is not certified and cannot be installed" messages on their *phones*, it will certainly be less surprising for them to see the same on their *computers*
[11:55] <LjL> ompaul, there is python for starters. and it's signed. but it's only signed because it implements its own access restrictions -- your own python scripts have to be signed, or they can't access the protected parts of the API
[11:56] <ompaul> gaaaaa
[11:56] <ompaul> thats just sick
[11:58] <ompaul> okay I am going to go to bed
[11:58] <ompaul> have lots of fun
[11:58] <LjL> ompaul: well, in their infinite magnanimousity, they *do* offer a free way to sign freeware/foss applications
[11:58] <LjL> you just have to wait a couple of months
[11:58] <ompaul> wow
[11:58] <LjL> and if it gets rejected, it's 6 months before you can re-submit it
[11:58] <ompaul> after they rip the code 
[11:59] <LjL> for commercial applications, if they get rejected, you just have pay for the whole signing process again
[11:59] <ompaul> LjL, pfffft
[11:59] <ompaul> arrr
[11:59] <ompaul> no 
[11:59] <LjL> fortunately, i can install just about anything, if not very easily, since i managed to get a "developer certificate" while they're still giving them out to almost anyone
[12:00] <LjL> but they'll stop - they've realized everyone uses them.
[12:00] <ompaul> hehe
[12:00] <LjL> i've done my duty to guarantee ompaul a sleepless night :)
[12:02] <Seveas> !now
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[12:02] <Seveas> @now
[12:02] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: October 14 2007, 22:02:58 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 1 day
[12:28] <gnomefreak> Seveas: LjL can we add wii to autoban list?
[12:28] <LjL> gnomefreak: what good does that do, when he changes just about everything changeable?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> hes ban evading and being a mence(sp)
[12:28] <LjL> yeah it's fine with me i just don't see how it would help
[12:28] <gnomefreak> does autoban use hostmask?
[12:28] <Pricey> So Gutsy upgrades are already offered from Feisty?
[12:29] <gnomefreak> or can it use names realnames ect
[12:29] <LjL> gnomefreak: it uses things it can know. and those are hostmask, ident, realname, nickname
[12:29] <Pici> Pricey: They are?
[12:29] <gnomefreak> Pricey: yes and most bugs are gone if you use -d only
[12:29] <LjL> gnomefreak: but wii has changed all of the above
[12:29] <gnomefreak> so there is no way to keep him out?
[12:29] <Pricey> gnomefreak, does it automatically bring up a notification? Or do you have to invoke the command with -d manually?
[12:29] <LjL> gnomefreak: keep banning him when he joins.
[12:29] <Pricey> I'm confused by the posts on forum
[12:30] <gnomefreak> maybe we should get hem a cloak :)
[12:30] <LjL> gnomefreak: cloaks can be disabled ;)
[12:30] <gnomefreak> Pricey: gksudo update-manager -d or change sources.list and dist-upgrade
[12:30] <Pricey> gnomefreak, ahhh so starting upgrade-manager doesn't suggest it to you automatically yet?
[12:30] <gnomefreak> he giving me a frigging headach
[12:30] <gnomefreak> Pricey: no it *better* not
[12:31] <Pricey> grrrr silly forum people
[12:31] <gnomefreak> if it does let me know and ill ping mvo
[12:31] <gnomefreak> that would be bad
[12:32] <gnomefreak> Pricey: tbh the only way to prove that wrong would be screenshot of command and update-manager at same time
[12:32] <gnomefreak> i think someone ran -d and didnt think about it
[12:33] <Pricey> yeah
[12:34] <gnomefreak> what about banning n=wii@AMarigot
[12:34] <gnomefreak> since it always starts with AMarigot ;)
[12:35] <gnomefreak> or that would still need wii@ :(
[12:36] <jdong> gnomefreak: we can just ban him every time he comes in... the amount of time we're wasting trying to get a step ahead of him is just lose-lose for us
[12:37] <gnomefreak> there has to be a way or us banning people doesnt mean anything, how many times is his ban gonna show up in bt since ites public that also gives him a step foward
[12:37] <gnomefreak> forward
[12:37] <gnomefreak> he always uses wii ro xp_killer
[12:37] <gnomefreak> or
[12:38] <gnomefreak> i have never seen him with another nick
[12:38] <rob> using n=wii@AMarigot will work for a bit I think
[12:38] <jdong> can we just wildcard to AMarigot?
[12:39] <jdong> he seems to have not figured out how to change that yet
[12:39] <gnomefreak> hes the only one ive noticed with it
[12:39] <jdong> I have not seen any other AMarigots :)
[12:39] <gnomefreak> but that is *noticed*
[12:39] <jdong> gnomefreak: meh we can send the other ones here to do a AreYouNotWiiSpec test.
[12:39] <jdong> lol
[12:39] <gnomefreak> thats an idea
[12:40] <gnomefreak> i have never noticed anyone else with it (doesnt mean they are not out there) but that is a low trafic good idea
[12:42] <Pici> My logs say we could narrow it down to *!*@AMarigot-102-1-*.abo.wanadoo.fr
[12:42] <LjL> rob, no, the wii ident he already changed
[12:42] <rob> ah
[12:44] <LjL>  /whois mii
[12:45] <gnomefreak> than we n=*ii@
[12:45] <gnomefreak> so on
[12:46] <gnomefreak> but pici might be on to something
[12:47] <LjL> i don't know
[12:47] <LjL> i don't particularly like overbroad bans...
[12:47] <LjL> make it !#ubuntu-ops at most i'd say
[12:47] <LjL> that and/or the 102-1-*wanadoo
[12:47] <LjL> too broad to just ban
[12:47] <gnomefreak> is that all i add for a forward is the !?
[12:48] <Pricey> yup
[12:48] <Pricey> nickname!username@hostname!forwardchannel
[12:49] <gnomefreak> who thinks @AMarigot-*!#ubuntu-ops is too broad?
[12:49] <Pricey> me
[12:49] <gnomefreak> me too but it would work
[12:50] <gnomefreak> how about @AMarigot-102-1-*.abo.wanadoo.fr!#ubuntu-ops
[12:50] <Pici> I dont, I've seen nothing that matches Amarigot
[12:51] <gnomefreak> Pici: me neither but i would much rather have more than 2 agree to it before i set it
[12:51] <stdin> I've only seen 2 nicks with AMarigot, both wii/mii/xp_killer (and I've kept a lookout got that hostname)
[12:51] <gnomefreak> but either way should grab him
[12:51] <LjL> gnomefreak: the latter seems ok with me - we just have to see how many hits from other people we get. i used to have the whole wanadoo.fr on highlight once
[12:51] <LjL> but the former, no
[12:52] <gnomefreak> ok tha latter i will set in channels i can
[12:53] <gnomefreak> 18:53 -!- mode/#ubuntu [+b @AMarigot-102-1*!#ubuntu-o*@*
[12:53] <gnomefreak> do we need to shorten that?
[12:54] <LjL> what's that?
[12:54] <LjL> gnomefreak, the *!*
[12:54] <gnomefreak> it keeps showing up that way
[12:55] <LjL> *!*@AMarigot-102-1*!#ubuntu-ops
[12:55] <Pici> gnomefreak: Are you using some kickban script?
[12:56] <gnomefreak> Pici: i did but tried it free hand after
[12:56] <gnomefreak> normally the script adds *!8
[12:56] <Pici> I just set it in offtopic, worked fine with my script thing.
[12:56] <gnomefreak> *!*
[12:56] <LjL> gnomefreak: if you tried with *wanadoo.fr, then perhaps yeah it was too long
[12:57] <gnomefreak> i cut that part off
[12:57] <Pici> for irssi: /csbfw = /msg chanserv op $C $N;/wait 50;/ban $0!$1;/msg chanserv op $C -$N
[12:59] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: if you can please ban *!*@AMarigot-102-1*!#ubuntu-ops in -desktop
[01:00] <Pici> And forums?
[01:00] <gnomefreak> i would but i cant
[01:01] <stdin> we still have *!*n=wii@*.abo.wanadoo.fr set in most channels too
[01:02] <stdin> just noticed it
[01:05] <gnomefreak> i hope this works
[01:05] <Pricey> NeoGeo64 rings a bell
[01:06] <Pici> familiar enough that its an autocomplete option for bantracker search here.
[01:11] <LjL> hehe