[12:40] <hellcattrav> Ok Ive got rid of 1.5
[12:40] <Scunizi> struct, once the right video driver is loaded, then get into desktop settings and remove the check marks on the specific effects, then install bryle. Unfortunatly I'm currently in a Dapper KDE session and not feisty right now so I can't guide you specifically.
[12:40] <hellcattrav> and iin the folder there is wone labeled thunerbird and one labeled thunderbird-bin
[12:41] <acomaco> hitmanWilly: i got pentium 4.
[12:41] <hitmanWilly> p4...that's probably ddr2 then, unless its a laptop
[12:41] <nosrednaekim> acomaco: probably DDR then
[12:41] <compilerwriter> How has the Gutsy rc recently released been working for people?
[12:42] <hitmanWilly> oh, sorry, yeah, regular ddr
[12:42] <acomaco> Well i am going to buy ram..but i need to be sure..and i've never seen a ram like this :s
[12:42] <nosrednaekim> compilerwriter: great.
[12:42] <acomaco> they are WAAAAAAAAAy to thinn
[12:42] <nosrednaekim> acomaco: is it a laptop?
[12:42] <acomaco> nope
[12:43] <hellcattrav> so what do i do now?
[12:43] <nosrednaekim> hellcattrav: go into thunderbird-bin
[12:43] <hellcattrav> how do i go into it?
[12:44] <hellcattrav> open?
[12:44] <hellcattrav> nosrednaekim: its not opening
[12:44] <eljefe> how can i check the DMA settings on my new DVDR drive?  It is advertised to burn at 18x but is generally 4x (tops out at 8x but most is 4x)
[12:45] <nosrednaekim> hellcattrav: oh... you mean there are two executables or two folders?
[12:46] <acomaco> nosrednaekim: ? you don't know? =)
[12:46] <nosrednaekim> acomaco: then its ddr.
[12:47] <Scunizi> eljefe, check out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28788&highlight=enable+dma
[12:48] <struct> Scunizi: but there is no way such as in ubuntu where you can just enable desktop effect right?
[12:48] <struct> Scunizi: you have to install beryl etc...?
[12:48] <Scunizi> yep.
[12:48] <acomaco> nosrednaekim: serched for compaq desktop and found some info bout the computer.. it's HP 1GB PC3200 (DDR 400MHz) DIMM: Grantsdale 915G/GV
[12:48] <Scunizi> struct, well.. i take that back.. there are some built in desktop effects.. but I'm new to playing with kde vs gnome..
[12:48] <acomaco> or lol its DDR XD
[12:49] <struct> ok
[12:49] <struct> it doesnt really matter to me that much
[12:49] <struct> I dont use ubuntu
[12:49] <struct> I was just thinking of my customers
[12:49] <Scunizi> If you have an ati card.. well.. I've really had problems with that.. nvidia worked great for me.
[12:50] <acomaco> nosrednaekim: wierd thing is that i got a ddr memory that doesnt fit..
[12:50] <nosrednaekim> huh
[12:51] <acomaco> nosrednaekim: i have a old computer with DDR ram..and i tried to "improve" my new.. but the old one was to big..
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> acomaco: sure its not DIMM?
[12:51] <eljefe> Scunizi: is that a good idea, to add that stuff?  why isn't it in by default?
[12:52] <Scunizi> need some edo memory.. I've got a several 4meg chips?  :)
[12:52] <acomaco> nosrednaekim: Hmm i tought dimm for the brand :P whats the diffrence?
[12:52] <mike-kubuntu> is kde4 gonna be in gutsy?
[12:52] <acomaco> dimm stood for the brand**
[12:52] <nosrednaekim> mike-kubuntu: not by default, but yes
[12:52] <Scunizi> eljefe, I don't know.. if you add it you can always turn it off.
[12:52] <Scunizi> mike-kubuntu, no
[12:52] <nosrednaekim> acomaco: DIMM was the older type
[12:53] <mike-kubuntu> Scunizi: how about compiz-fusion?
[12:53] <Scunizi> I think so.
[12:53] <acomaco> nosrednaekim: okey..lol :p
[12:53] <struct> nosrednaekim: whats the newer type?
[12:53] <acomaco> nosrednaekim: kinda wierd since i got a "newer" computer than the old one..
[12:54] <eljefe> Scunizi: the " sudo hdparm -I /dev/***" command doesn't want to work for my /dev/cdrom /dev/sdc /dev/cdrw or whatever else I try..
[12:54] <mafe> kubuntu en espal?
[12:54] <nosrednaekim> es
[12:54] <eljefe> !es
[12:54] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:54] <Scunizi> !dma | eljefe
[12:54] <eljefe> nope
[12:54] <Scunizi> I guess there's no bot here..
[12:54] <eljefe> !dma
[12:54] <struct> acomaco: dimm is a type of ram
[12:54] <ubotu> eljefe: dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. It makes hard disks & optical drives transfer data faster, and is almost always enabled in Ubuntu 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA
[12:54] <eljefe> ah HA
[12:55] <acomaco> struct: hehe okey
[12:55] <struct> acomaco: dual inline memory module
[12:55] <Scunizi> eljefe, sorry.. i'm at a loss for more info on it.. have you tried the forums?
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> eljefe: if you are on a laptop, the speed might be limited by your Hard-drives read
[12:56] <acomaco> struct: how good is it compared to DDR?
[12:56] <Minataku> Back
[12:57] <Minataku> Check your dmesg
[12:57] <gnomefreak> struct: caps
[12:57] <gnomefreak> stdin: caps
[12:57] <Minataku> Make sure that it's detecting your chipset correctly
[12:57] <saeed> hi all
[12:57] <Minataku> It's possible it's unsupported/weird/support isn't included by default
[12:57] <stdin> gnomefreak: I did, script lower cased it
[12:57] <eljefe> nosrednaekim: thanks, but its a desktop.  all are SATA drives... looking more into it tho, thanks for the support Scunizi
[12:58] <gnomefreak> stdin: hmmm
[12:58] <Scunizi> eljefe, np
[12:58] <Minataku> Which may very well cause it to work, but fall back to something like PIO0
[12:58] <Minataku> lol
[12:58] <struct> acomaco: ddr memory are a type of dimm memory
[12:58] <Minataku> stdin: ???
[12:59] <stdin> ahh!
[12:59] <Minataku> I don't think it's case sensitive, at any rate
[12:59] <acomaco> struct: okey i'll just unplugg my memory and take it to vendor and tell him "1gb memory looking like this"
[12:59] <Minataku> Or at the very least, it SHOULDN'T be
[12:59] <Minataku> But then this IRCd is so backwards-ass, who knows
[12:59] <struct> acomaco: should be a sticker on your memory module that tells you what it is
[12:59] <stdin> Minataku: just in case ;)
[12:59] <eljefe> nosrednaekim and Scunizi, what does it mean when there are three lines given as output: IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit) / readonly     =  0 (off) / readahead    = 256 (on)
[01:00] <gnomefreak> ty stdin
[01:00] <nosrednaekim> eljefe: what command did you get that from?
[01:00] <eljefe> sudo hdparm -v /dev/scd0
[01:00] <Minataku> I said to check your dmesg for info on it
[01:00] <struct> acomaco: 1GB PC-3200 DDR 400 for example
[01:00] <Minataku> But if you want to ignore me, that's fine too, I'll go back to whatever I was doing
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> eljefe: anything in there about "using_dma?
[01:01] <eljefe> nope
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> eljefe: odd.. there is for me.
[01:01] <eljefe> nosrednaekim:  HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[01:01] <eljefe> that is the fourth line
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> of course... I have a ATA drive.
[01:01] <eljefe> ah
[01:01] <eljefe> going to make a big difference?
[01:01] <Minataku> Practically all devices use DMA
[01:01] <eljefe> does SATA not use DMA?
[01:02] <eljefe> mm ok
[01:02] <Minataku> SATA most definitely WILL
[01:02] <eljefe> i would think so
[01:02] <Minataku> Unless the chipset is weird/unsupported
[01:02] <Minataku> Otherwise it's stuck using one of the PIO modes, which YES, will make a fricking MASSIVE difference
[01:02] <acomaco> struct: okey
[01:02] <acomaco> struct: thx
[01:02] <eljefe> not sure, its the onboard SATA controller for the moboard, not sure what it is
[01:02] <Minataku> I said, check dmesg output
[01:03] <Minataku> It should say what it is or quite possibly say it doesn't know and is using some universal fallback
[01:04] <eljefe> Minataku: I should check the dmesg?  i don't know if it'll be there anymore, lemme check tho
[01:04] <eljefe> no
[01:05] <hads> Dolphin is installed and used by default on Gutsy correct?
[01:05] <Minataku> It should be there
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> hads: yup
[01:05] <Minataku> Unless the machine has very heavy kernel ring buffer traffic or has been on for several years
[01:05] <hads> I think I just found a relatively annoying bug in it.
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> imo, dolphin *is* a relatively annoying bug :\
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> hads: which is.....
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: :)
[01:06] <Minataku> Daisuke-Ido: What is it?
[01:06] <hads> If anyone has it installed I'd appreciate a confirmation.
[01:06] <Scunizi> eljefe, here's another referance.. http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/09/20/cd-rom-drive-too-slow/
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> Minataku: dolphin.
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> hads: I do... that is the problem?
[01:06] <Minataku> DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> *what
[01:06] <Minataku> I already knew that much
[01:06] <Minataku> >:|
[01:06] <hellcattrav> whats dolphin?
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> !dolphin
[01:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dolphin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> its a filemanager !
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> Minataku: i just said that dolphin is a bug
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> ahh!
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> lol
[01:07] <eljefe> dolphin is the new file browser for KDE
[01:07] <Minataku> Ah
[01:07] <Minataku> They finally retired Konq?
[01:07] <eljefe> no
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> nah, it's still there
[01:07] <eljefe> just for the newbs
[01:07] <hads> nosrednaekim: In a directory with a large number of subdirs, scroll down past the first 'page' and then try to drag a subdir to a different subdir. It seems to report the drop target which would be on the first 'page'.
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> but dolphin's the default
[01:07] <Minataku> Too bad they replaced it with another needless reimplementation
[01:07] <blendtux> is it not good Daisuke_Ido
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> i personally don't like it
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> but a lot of people seem to
[01:07] <eljefe> i like some of it, but only seen screenshots so i don't REALLY know
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> so like everything in linux, it comes down to personal preference
[01:08] <Minataku> Daisuke-Ido: Sorry, BTW, didn't mean to snap at you
[01:08] <Minataku> lol
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> the kde4 version is awesome
[01:08] <eljefe> maybe that is it
[01:08] <blendtux> not only with linux, but with everything
[01:08] <eljefe> kde4 seems pretty awesome but it'll be a bit
[01:08] <blendtux> but from a technical point of view is there something wrong with dolphin
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> blendtux: not really
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> hads: i'm not getting you..
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> in feisty it didn't handle mounted drives properly for me
[01:09] <hads> nosrednaekim: I'm probably not explaining very well. Let me try again.
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> hads: ah! I see!
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> hads: DEFINATELY a bug.
[01:10] <eljefe> well, I give up on the DVD / DMA thing.  and since no one in #ubuntu+1 seems to want to help me test the upgrader, I'll just hope for better luck when I reinstall in a few days.  thanks all, off to make some dinner
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> hads: go to #kubuntu-devel and report there.
[01:10] <hads> nosrednaekim: Thanks for the confirm, I'll post it up.
[01:10] <hads> OK, even better.
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> eljefe: you could just use the command line updater
[01:11] <eljefe> nosrednaekim: I don't really care about the upgrade, I want to bug test :)
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> ah... well seems the upgrader itself is buggy ;)
[01:11] <Daisuke_Ido> well, back to java lab
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> i have...  4 hours and 48 minutes to finish and submit this
[01:12] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: have fun
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> it'll take me about 30 minutes max :)
[01:12] <eljefe> ok
[01:12] <nosrednaekim> eljefe: believe me... you're not the only one :)
[01:16] <Audriil> This is the help channel, right?
[01:17] <blendtux> yes it is Audriil
[01:17] <Audriil> I've got a bit of a problem...
[01:18] <hellcattrav> are sources list in ubuntu similar to livna repos in fedora? is it the same concept?
[01:18] <hellcattrav> as in where you get packages from?
[01:18] <Roey> for an NVidia GeForce4 Ti4200, where do I get the GLX drivers from?
[01:18] <hellcattrav> and I'm correct in that you can't mix them?
[01:18] <Audriil> Can someone tell me how to fix my dual monitors?
[01:18] <hellcattrav> even thoughGNOME in both has add/remove software?
[01:19] <Scunizi> Roey, you should be able to get the Gforce drivers in synaptic.
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> Roey: repositories
[01:19] <Scunizi> Roey, sorry.. adept..
[01:19] <Roey> Scunizi:  na, doesn't work.  I need the legacy drivers, and Kubuntu/Ubuntu messes up with them.
[01:19] <Roey> nosrednaekim, Scunizi:  where can I get the drivers off NVidia's site?
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> Roey: don't
[01:19] <Scunizi> Roey, strange I thought the legacy driver were still in there.
[01:20] <Roey> nosrednaekim:  I've tried a billion+1 times already with the packages; they don't work.
[01:20] <Roey> it's like
[01:20] <Roey> I could spend money on a newer card
[01:20] <Roey> but then
[01:20] <Audriil> Can someone help me fix twinveiw?
[01:20] <Roey> I'd need a power lead for it
[01:20] <Roey> and all my power leads are going to other things.
[01:20] <enix> im am trying to use winpopup via kopete, it keeps asking me if my samba server is running. i have no problem doing file transfers, or browsing network, ant ideas?
[01:20] <Roey> Also, I don't have a 400W power supply, so I'd need to change that, too.
[01:20] <Roey> And then I'd need to reconnect my motherboard.
[01:20] <Roey> It's such a bloody mess.
[01:21] <Audriil> Dual monitor.  Don't work.  Someone help, please?
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> Roey: you don't need a power lead for most cards
[01:23] <bigbhai> hello
[01:24] <Roey> nosrednaekim:  I'm just looking for a fast NVidia AGP card
[01:24] <Roey> that doesn't require a 400W power supply.
[01:24] <Roey> I have an antec trupower350
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> Roey: look on www.newegg.com they have some cheap older cards that are still really nice
[01:25] <Audriil> Does someone know how to make twinview recognize the fact that a computer has two monitors? (i.e. so it maximizes to one, rather than both)
[01:25] <Scunizi> Roey, the 6200's have gone way down in price but I don't know if they require a seperate pwr connector.
[01:26] <Scunizi> Audriil, so you want one large screen? or two unique screens?
[01:26] <Audriil> Thank you!
[01:26] <Audriil> I don't want two discrete X server screens
[01:27] <Audriil> simply for my display manager to regonize that there are two screens
[01:27] <Audriil> Now when I maximize a winodw, it maximizes across both screens
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> Scunizi: we got some 7200's which don't need power...
[01:27] <Audriil> (using twinview, nvidia 7600 GT)
[01:28] <Roey> nosrednaekim:  I don't knwo which ones
[01:28] <Roey> that's the problem.
[01:28] <Roey> But anyway
[01:28] <Audriil> Twinview worked in that sense before I reinstalled,; now it doesn't.
[01:28] <Roey> nosrednaekim, Scunizi:  this worked fine a little while ago.
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> Roey: ok...let me see
[01:28] <Scunizi> Ok.. twinview is the issue.. and not the right thing to use.. look into xinerama to accomplish that.. however with the new gutsy, I've read that xinerama won't be avilable only xrandr
[01:28] <Roey> All I need is the GLX driver.
[01:28] <Roey> I don't really wanna psend more money on an issue that's just a software issue.
[01:28] <Audriil> Twinview worked fine for me before, just changed now.
[01:28] <Scunizi> nosrednaekim, are they agp? or pci?
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> Scunizi: hummm not sure. maybe pci-x
[01:29] <Scunizi> nosrednaekim, the agp versions need the extra boost.. I have a 6600 oc. and had to bump my pwr supply..
[01:29] <Audriil> It worked when I ran ubuntu, and ceased to work with kubuntu.
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> ah... ok
[01:30] <Audriil> Although it may be because of all the configuration I did in GNOME
[01:30] <enix> im am trying to use winpopup via kopete, it keeps asking me if my samba server is running. i have no problem doing file transfers, or browsing network, ant ideas?
[01:30] <Audriil> I forget how I got it to work; it just did when I ran nVidia conf
[01:30] <Audriil> ...in ubuntu, that is.
[01:30] <Scunizi> Audriil, could be.. I got it working last year on gnome but have since replaced my crt's with 1 lcd and I can't remember the specifics.
[01:31] <Audriil> hmm
[01:31] <Scunizi> Audriil, there is a setup think in kubuntu for activating 2 monitors.. have you looked at that?
[01:31] <Audriil> I run both LCDs, but one through a analog to igital adaptor
[01:31] <Audriil> geforce 7600 has one analog out and one digital out.
[01:31] <hellcattrav> hey in synaptic i tried getting clamav and got errors
[01:31] <Scunizi> Audriil, same with my 6600
[01:31] <hellcattrav> has anyone else encounterd this?
[01:32] <Scunizi> hellcattrav, you have a virus... :) (kidding.. just kidding)
[01:32] <Audriil> I can activate them fine, Scunizi, I just can't get them to be seen as seperate monitors.
[01:32] <hellcattrav> and on clamav website it mentions that its a mail scanner, is there another scanner to run antivirus on?
[01:32] <hellcattrav> or am i thinking to deep about this?
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> !virus
[01:32] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[01:33] <Scunizi> Audriil, I understand.. sorry..
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> hellcattrav: all you really need is a good firewall,
[01:33] <Audriil> I did manage to get my linux infect once, actually.
[01:33] <Audriil> It was quite difficult...
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> Audriil: how?
[01:33] <Audriil> Went to a virus archive site, and downloaded all 10 linux viruses....
[01:33] <Scunizi> nosrednaekim, maybe he want to keep his Win$ friends clean with his emails... that's why I use it.
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> Audriil: lol
[01:34] <Audriil> Basically the only was
[01:34] <Audriil> way*
[01:34] <hellcattrav> yer
[01:34] <Audriil> Did some one time damage; just hasd to run Fsck once
[01:35] <Audriil> So you don't know how to fix the problem, Scunizi?
[01:35] <Scunizi> Audriil, sorry no.
[01:35] <Audriil> I think I'll just see if I can get it to work in ubuntu (reinstall and dual boot), then see if what I did there can apply to kde, Scunizi.
[01:36] <Audriil> Anyways, thanks for trying, Scunizi.
[01:36] <Scunizi> Audriil, how bout sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:36] <Scunizi> then just change sessions?
[01:36] <underdog5004> so, is there a reason I can't have 2 network interfaces up at once? I have ppp0 active, but I also want to use eth0 for my lan...any way to get this to work?
[01:36] <Minataku> AV software is best used for things like Windows programs to run in WINE
[01:36] <Minataku> Why deal with minor problems when you can avoid them instead?
[01:36] <Audriil> gah, no.  I get app cluttering and stuff, Scunizi.
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> underdog5004: yeah there is..
[01:37] <underdog5004> which is?
[01:37] <Scunizi> Audriil, i know what you mean.. that's what I do.. good luck!
[01:37] <Audriil> I hate having two DE's installed with their associated packages, Scunizi.
[01:37] <Audriil> Thanks, Scunizi.
[01:37] <Scunizi> np
[01:37] <underdog5004> ugh, 17 second ping
[01:37] <Audriil> I don't suppose anyone else would know how to fix a problem with twinview?
[01:38] <Scunizi> Audriil, try #ubuntu.. might apply.
[01:38] <underdog5004> nosrednaekim, what's the reason? or if you meant solution, what's the solution?
[01:38] <Audriil> k, I'll try that, Scunizi.
[01:38] <nosrednaekim> underdog5004: not sure ;) google it.
[01:38] <underdog5004> lol
[01:38] <Audriil> How do I change channels?
[01:38] <underdog5004> thanks
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> underdog5004: it can be done... I have seen people doing it before,but I don't personally know
[01:39] <Scunizi> Audriil, /join #ubuntu
[01:39] <Audriil> thanks
[01:39] <underdog5004> ok...bummer
[01:39] <underdog5004> my dsl modem went out, and I'm stuck on dialup...but I also want to watch movies that're on my server...boo hoo
[01:40] <Audriil> Hey, does anyone know how to fix nVidia Twinview related problems?
[01:40] <Scunizi> underdog5004, when you find the answer you're going to need to think about whether or not you want to provide the lan internet access through your machine..
[01:40] <underdog5004> Audriil, #ubuntu-effects , maybe
[01:40] <Audriil> k
[01:40] <underdog5004> yeah...I don't think so...it's slow enough with just one machine...
[01:41] <Audriil> underdog5004, It's not joining that channel when I type /join #ubuntu-effects
[01:41] <sstchur> using Dolphin for the first time, and I keep getting this: "Unable to save bookmarks in /home/sstchur/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml."  Anyone know why?
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> sstchur: are you on gutsy?
[01:42] <Scunizi> underdog5004, although I think you can manually flip back and forth between the two nics, if you're on the lan I wonder if you can bind the other nick to certain apps only, like FF, update etc..
[01:42] <Audriil> underdog5004, oops, nevermind.
[01:43] <underdog5004> Scunizi, when I bring up eth0, ppp0 goes down until I ifdown eth0
[01:44] <Scunizi> underdog5004, that would be understandable..
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> underdog5004: what are you using to bring them up and down?
[01:44] <Scunizi> underdog5004, do you want the machines on the Lan to have internet access?
[01:45] <sstchur> nosrednaekim: yes
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> sstchur: well support for that is officailly on #ubuntu+1.HOWEVER  I can help you here.
[01:46] <underdog5004> nosrednaekim, sudo ifup/ifdown eth0
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> underdog5004: use "ifconfig eth0 up"
[01:46] <sstchur> nosrednaekim: oh ok... sorry
[01:46] <underdog5004> Scunizi, no, I don't care about that, I just want to have my box recognize my lan AND be able to go online simultaneously
[01:47] <underdog5004> nosrednaekim, unfortunately, I'm downloading a 42Mb file...can't really test anything right now
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> sstchur: try running this "kate /home/sstchur/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml"
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> underdog5004: lol.
[01:47] <Scunizi> underdog5004, why not use the router as the interface for all and disable internet access to the remaining machines in the router? I'd be a little easier.
[01:47] <snowdonkey> Is there a way to see which folders are taking up the most space on my system?
[01:47] <underdog5004> nosrednaekim, nvm, tested it, and it looks good! thank you!
[01:48] <underdog5004> Scunizi, I'm on _dial_ _up_, ha ha
[01:48] <nosrednaekim> snowdonkey: yeah... there is a disk usage program somewhere.
[01:48] <nosrednaekim> underdog5004: so am I:)
[01:48] <underdog5004> nosrednaekim, hmm, I did the ifconfig eth0 up, but it didn't grab an IP...
[01:49] <Scunizi> underdog5004, ouch.. with an internal modem or external hooked to your machine with an ethernet cable?
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> underdog5004: "sudo dhclient eth0"
[01:49] <underdog5004> Scunizi, internal
[01:49] <Scunizi> underdog5004, you're really making this tough.. :)
[01:49] <snowdonkey> nosrednaekim: Thanks, apparently the command is "du".
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> snowdonkey: well there is THAT way too
[01:50] <snowdonkey> nosrednaekim: hehe
[01:52] <billytwowilly> and software raid gurus here? I have a raid 5 array that has 4 300 GB hard drives in it and I want to replace them with 4 500 GB drives. I think I can do this with the grow command by pulling out one hard drive at a time and rebuilding the array on 300 GB partitions on the 500 GB drives, then growing the reiserfs partition, but I'm not sure how exactly to do this..
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> yikes!
[01:56] <Scunizi> billytwowilly, might be worth asking in #ubuntu-server
[01:56] <billytwowilly> heh, the number of ubuntu channels is exploding;)
[01:56] <billytwowilly> thanks.
[01:56] <Scunizi> np
[01:58] <feierfox> hi hi
[01:58] <holycow> hey guys
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> hi feierfox
[01:58] <holycow> i installed kde from repos ... the instructions in the topic didn't work
[01:58] <feierfox> if i download the kubuntu RC now, will it be the same as the official release?
[01:58] <holycow> does anyone know how to give kde4 a try?
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> !kde4
[01:58] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[01:58] <holycow> i mean i installed kde4
[01:58] <holycow> no stop that shit
[01:58] <holycow> those fucking instructions are wrong
[01:58] <holycow> they don't work
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> umm yeah they do.
[01:59] <holycow> whatever
[01:59] <holycow> i'm not interested in wha tyou have to say
[01:59] <holycow> i'm hoping to chat with people that have it working on latest guts ... within say the last couple of weeks
[01:59] <LjL> holycow: perhaps you aren't, but how many times have i kicked you before because of language?
[02:00] <holycow> LjL: that wasn't for you actually
[02:00] <holycow> the kick was within policy, i accept it
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> holycow:umm I have it working RIGHT NOW.
[02:00] <LjL> holycow, but then again, kubuntu.org *does* explain how to make it work. what do you expect people to tell you, unless you explain exactly *what* you're stuck on?
[02:01] <holycow> LjL: sure, except it doesn't work ... let me pop open that page again
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> !doesn'twork
[02:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about doesn'twork - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> !doesn't work
[02:01] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[02:02] <LjL> holycow: ok, it doesn't work, but does it deserve such a reaction? you asked "how to make it work" without specifying, you can only get that factoid from any reasonable person
[02:03] <holycow> LjL: i just hate arrogant people that don't wait for one to finish explaining
[02:03] <LjL> !enter | holycow... :-)
[02:03] <ubotu> holycow... :-): Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[02:03] <holycow> in any  case kdebase-workspace refuses to install
[02:03] <LjL> when you hit enter, one assumes you're finished explaining
[02:03] <holycow> LjL: oh please, stop right now
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> holycow: ah! what is the error?
[02:04] <holycow> you aren't in any position to lecture me on how to type
[02:04] <LjL> yes i am
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> so let it be written so let it be done ;)
[02:11] <jim__r> I'm trying to compile a program but get the following message. Any idea where the config file its looking for is: could not find any of CONFIG=, kernelconfig, /proc/config.gz or /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-386/build/.config, /usr/src/linux-2.6.20-16-386/.config or /usr/src/linux/.config
[02:11] <jim__r> please provide a valid 2.6 linux kernel config file
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> jim__r: run "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[02:14] <jim__r> noserednaekim : I already have that installed
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> jim__r: odd.
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> what program are you trying to compile?
[02:15] <jim__r> it is dmx4linux
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> which does..
[02:16] <jim__r> sorry , its software that allows one to control lights if you have the correct gizmo attached to your computer
[02:17] <jim__r> could it just be looking in the wrong place for that config file
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> jim__r: yeah... could be. might try asking on their dev mailinglist.
[02:18] <jim__r> do you know where the linux kernel config file lives with kubuntu
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> jim__r: odd... I have that config file..
[02:18] <jim__r> strange where is it on ur machine
[02:19] <nosrednaekim>  /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-386/build/.config
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> but I am running gutsy.
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> well rather.. its in 2.6.22, but you get the idea
[02:20] <jim__r> ok I'm on feisty, maybe I can download it?
[02:20] <jim__r> cd /lib/modules
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> jim__r: just a sec. let me try to find which package owns that file
[02:21] <jim__r> oops meant to be the terminal
[02:21] <jim__r> nosrednaekin: Thanks a lot
[02:23] <NickPresta> I have a /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/build/.config file on Feisty, if it matters.
[02:24] <jim__r> hmm , I have one also under my generic kernels but not under the 386 kernel
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> jim__r:ah... I was looking in generic..
[02:25] <jim__r> so wonder why its not also under 386 tree
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> odd
[02:26] <jim__r> I downloaded the 386 kernel after having problems with the SMP kernel
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> dpkg doesn't list a package that contains that file.
[02:28] <jim__r> ok guess I'll have to go file hunting
[02:29] <jim__r> I wonder if i can use the generic file?
[02:31] <jim__r> ya if I do it ,It would just be to compile, then it would be gone
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> BRB
[02:33] <Audriil> Can someone help? My windows maximize to both monitors...
[02:35] <DARKGuy> hey guys, is there a reason why everytime I put a CD/DVD in my drive, a directory with the CD/DVD's label is created instead of being mounted in /media/cdrom (or /media/cdrom0) but instead in /media/MYCDLABEL - is there a way to revert it to the original behaviour?
[02:35] <Audriil> What's the KDE equivalent of metacity --replace?
[02:35] <Audriil> I tried QT --replace; it didn't work
[02:36] <Audriil> My window decorator just segfaulted
[02:38] <Audriil> How does one upgrade to gutsy from fiesty? (through the terminal)
[02:41] <Audriil> Does anyone here know how to dist upgrade (to gutsy) in the terminal?
[02:41] <LjL> !gutsy > Audriil    (Audriil, see the private message from Ubotu)
 Sorry, my window manager seqfaulted; had to quit konversation
 I missed the PM
[02:41] <LjL> !gutsy > Audriil    (Audriil, see the private message from Ubotu)
[02:42] <feierfox> !firefox
[02:42] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[02:42] <feierfox> ah
[02:42] <feierfox> i mean
[02:42] <feierfox> !feierfox
[02:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about feierfox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:42] <feierfox> \o/
 I missed the PM
[02:43] <LjL> Audriil: i've sent it again
[02:43] <LjL> !gutsy
[02:43] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
 nvm, sorry
 I thought that it would pertain to feisty, as I want to know the *fiesty* command which one uses to dist-upg, not the *gutsy* one.
 How about you just tell me. please?
[02:44] <LjL> Audriil: nope, upgrading to gutsy is a gutsy question, especially since gutsy is still experimental software
[02:45] <LjL> we aren't encouraging people to use it, unless they are very well aware it should only be used for testing and bug hunting, and prepared to have it mess up everything
[02:45] <LjL> which is why #ubuntu+1 is there
 Really?  Even though said command is executed in fiesty?
[02:45] <LjL> Audriil, yes
 Even though it's less than a week to release?
[02:45] <LjL> yes
[02:45] <LjL> an update could easily break X in a week.
 Even though... damn, I'm all out of "even though"'s....
[02:46] <LjL> Audriil, just ask in #ubuntu+1, not that hard
 I did... just waiting, now.
[02:46] <seth> Audriil, just go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
 Thanks
[02:46] <seth> cheers
[02:47] <seth> Audriil, you forgot "even though it's pointless for people to arbitrarily withhold information when you only have a simple question" :P
[02:48] <dick-richardson> I swapped sound cards and the new one works w/no configuring. do I need to run 'depmod -a' or anything?
 >_>
[02:49] <LjL> seth: it's not pointless. people in #ubuntu+1 have actually *tried* the stuff, we (as a rule of thumb) haven't.
[02:50] <maybebaby> hi
[02:51] <hellcattrav> Oi ive gotten Thunderbird 1.5 installed and added my gmail account with the gmail help from google..but its not receiving messages
[02:51] <maybebaby> does anyone have kde4 working on gutsy? the instructions in the topic don't work
[02:51] <dick-richardson> maybebaby: try ubuntu+1
[02:52] <maybebaby> thats gutsy more specifically rather than kde ... they don't know
[02:53] <pestilence> when i click on links in akregator, it opens links in firefox.  but for some reason, firefox has started grabbing focus when i click on links in akregator.  this is really annoying.  does anybody know how to fix this?
[02:53] <dick-richardson> not sure,either :/
[02:54] <hellcattrav> erm...hey how do i get thunderbird 2.0?
[02:54] <hellcattrav> is it in the repos?
[02:55] <DaSkreech> maybebaby: #kubuntu-devel
[02:55] <maybebaby> if you are using gutsy it is hellcattrav
[02:55] <hellcattrav> feisty
[02:55] <maybebaby> wait for gutsy
[02:55] <DaSkreech> !info thunderbird
[02:55] <ubotu> Package thunderbird does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:55] <DaSkreech> !info mozilla-thunderbird
[02:56] <ubotu> mozilla-thunderbird: Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.0.13-0ubuntu0.7.04 (feisty), package size 10660 kB, installed size 29752 kB
[02:56] <Minataku> Heya, DaSkreech
[02:56] <DaSkreech> !info mozilla-thunderbird gutsy
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> maybebaby: I have it working.
[02:56] <ubotu> mozilla-thunderbird: Transition package for mozilla-thunderbird rename. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 58 kB, installed size 104 kB
[02:56] <DaSkreech> Minataku: Yo!
[02:56] <hellcattrav> ok..cos im trying out GNU/PGP and am wanting to learn to to include it with emails...
[02:56] <hellcattrav> apperantly thunderbird 2.0 has something to do with this?
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> hellcattrav: you need the enigma plugin for thunderbird
[02:57] <hellcattrav> yer
[02:57] <hellcattrav> nosrednaekim:  thats it..but it works for 2.0+ only
[02:58] <pestilence> hellcattrav: i am pretty sure you can encrypt emails in the version of thunderbird in fiesty
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> hellcattrav: ah...well, as I said before, go to www.getdeb.net and get 2.0
[02:58] <pestilence> or edgy.  or dapper.  or warty.
[02:59] <pestilence> if it doesn't work in thunderbird, use evolution
[02:59] <pestilence> i know it has worked in evolution for a LONG time
[03:00] <pestilence> it's even in the FAQ
[03:00] <pestilence> http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/faq#use_encrypt
[03:02] <DaSkreech> maybebaby: Over here :)
[03:05] <Minataku> Who wants a funny picture to offset this slow Sunday night?
[03:05] <Minataku> http://fchan.us/src/c_1191729730451_firefox_plugins.jpg
[03:05] <Minataku> Enjoy :3
[03:08] <Minataku> What?
[03:08] <DaSkreech> Should I just ignore the you must be over 18 to see this site page?
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> I think the point was to look at Minataku'sLINK
[03:08] <Minataku> lol
[03:08] <Minataku> The picture is safe
[03:09] <Minataku> There are sections on the site that are adult-oriented
[03:09] <Minataku> "c" isn't one of them
[03:09] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: It redirects me to a disclaimer page that says I must be 18 or over
[03:09] <Minataku> That's funny
[03:09] <DaSkreech> XXX is?
[03:09] <Minataku> It seems to work for most people
[03:09] <Minataku> Sans-redirect
[03:09] <DaSkreech> Maybe My KDE is just smarter
[03:09] <Minataku> That's how I got the link, direct to the picture
[03:11] <Minataku> DaSkreech: Like I said, the site has sections that are both clean and adult
[03:11] <Minataku> The link is to a picture from a clean section
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> adding a whole new meaning to the defination of KDE as "user/family friendly"
[03:12] <Minataku> Or censorship-laden
[03:12] <DaSkreech> Ah C for clean
[03:12] <Minataku> Which would be so totally against the Linux philosophy
[03:12] <Minataku> It's actually C for Cute, I believe
[03:13] <Minataku> No, it is Clean
[03:13] <Minataku> My bad
[03:13] <Minataku> I haven't gone there in a while
[03:13] <Minataku> lol
[03:14] <DaSkreech> Minataku: http://www.cracked.com/jp/net02.gif
[03:14] <Minataku> Nice picture. (It's busted)
[03:16] <Minataku> Come to think of it, "Clean" is the ONLY truly worksafe board there
[03:17] <Minataku> Oh well, the link is to a picture that's clean, that's the point
[03:17] <Minataku> lol
[03:17] <GuHHH> how can i make my system boot by network?
[03:17] <Minataku> !pxe
[03:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pxe - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:17] <Minataku> Grrr
[03:17] <Minataku> !netboot
[03:17] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[03:17] <Minataku> You stupid bot
[03:17] <Minataku> !diskless
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> !botsnack
[03:17] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[03:17] <Minataku> Oh, screw you, ubotu
[03:17] <Minataku> Ignore me...
[03:18] <Minataku> Sorry. X3
[03:18] <Minataku> I'm incredibly bored tonight, is all
[03:18] <DaSkreech> Minataku: Play with the Amarok bot
[03:18] <DaSkreech> It's actually made to play back
[03:18] <Minataku> Is it smarter?
[03:18] <Minataku> Ah
[03:18] <Minataku> lol
[03:19] <Minataku> Say, DaSkreech, did you actually get to the picture?
[03:19] <DaSkreech> Yes
[03:20] <Minataku> That's all? :P
[03:20] <Minataku> I mean, I didn't draw it, but come on, comment... I'M BORED
[03:20] <Minataku> >.<
[03:20] <Minataku> There aren't even people asking for help
[03:20] <Minataku> Sort of
[03:20] <Minataku> GuHHH: PCs typically use a method called "PXE" for network booting
[03:20] <Minataku> But if the systems have disks, why bother with it?
[03:21] <blackpanther> hello...i was wondering if anyone could give any information on a zyxel p-623r-t1 router with kununtu...relating to drivers?
[03:21] <DaSkreech> cause you want a network boot from a server ?
[03:22] <Minataku> PCs are frickin' ABYSMAL for such tasks
[03:22] <stdin> blackpanther: router?? routers don't need drivers
[03:22] <Minataku> They were always meant to local boot, and, like many features bodged onto PCs, network booting is a disgusting hack
[03:22] <blackpanther> stdin: kbuntu is not picking up the router
[03:23] <Minataku> blackpanther: This router, does it have an HTTP interface?
[03:23] <Minataku> If so, hook it up as a standalone device and use that
[03:23] <blackpanther> stdin: yes
[03:24] <Minataku> Likely, there won't be any way for you to connect to it via USB or somesuch, given it'll more than likely have a proprietary interface for such
[03:24] <Minataku> Accessing it should be as easy as hooking up the ethernet cable and typing the IP address of the router into a browser
[03:25] <GuHHH> Minataku: i want to boot it remotely
[03:25] <Minataku> GuHHH: You're using it as a diskless workstation?
[03:26] <GuHHH> Minataku: no
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> (which should be 192.168.0.1)
[03:26] <jdong> GuHHH: or do you just want to turn it on remotely?
[03:26] <Minataku> nosrednaekim: Not always
[03:26] <GuHHH> jdong: yeah, sorry... turn it on :)
[03:26] <Minataku> Which is why I didn't specify
[03:26] <Minataku> Some use 192.168.0.0
[03:26] <Minataku> Some use other LAN-reserved addresses
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: whoops... its 1.1 ;)
[03:27] <Minataku> In fact, mine you can tell it to use whatever you want
[03:27] <jdong> GuHHH: what you would be looking for is Wake-on-LAN then
[03:27] <GuHHH> jdong: how can i do it?
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> it has to be in your BIOS
[03:27] <jdong> GuHHH: you need both a wake-on-LAN client, and to have Wake-on-LAN enabled on the target computer
[03:27] <Minataku> The old version
[03:27] <Minataku> ARM7 and two antennas
[03:27] <jdong> GuHHH: instructions for activating wake-on-LAN vary from hardware to hardware
[03:28] <Minataku> vs the new one, ARM9 with one antenna
[03:28] <GuHHH> jdong: okay, but how can i wake it up?
[03:28] <GuHHH> hmmm
[03:28] <Minataku> Not that it matters, both are EoL
[03:28] <Minataku> lol
[03:29] <jdong> GuHHH: where will you be waking it up from? Same computer? Across the internet?
[03:29] <jdong> GuHHH: by same computer, I eant to say same network
[03:29] <GuHHH> jdong: same network
[03:29] <jdong> !info wakeonlan | GuHHH
[03:29] <jdong> try that package
[03:29] <GuHHH> computer 1 -> router -> computer2
[03:29] <ubotu> guhhh: wakeonlan: Sends 'magic packets' to wake-on-LAN enabled ethernet adapters. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.41-6 (feisty), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB
[03:30] <GuHHH> jdong: thanks
[03:30] <GuHHH> :)
[03:30] <jdong> not a problem
[03:37] <genii> DaSkreech: Might not be a bad idea, as I'm at home and not work :)
[03:46] <rrittenhouse> I won a book  - "Foundations of Qt Development" (by Apress) - I am not a KDE guy but im wondering if anybody here would happen to have another book to trade for it...? Maybe a GTK book or Python.. something more suited for me.
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> rrittenhouse: try #kubuntu-devel
[03:46] <rrittenhouse> k thx
[03:47] <DaSkreech> or #kde-devel
[03:47] <blackpanther> stdin & minataku: thanks for the help...we think it might be a network card issue rather than a router issue
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> indeed
[03:47] <Minataku> Ah
[03:47] <Minataku> No problem
[03:49] <kimian> #NZBsRus
[03:49] <dorkface> Say I wanted to make  a kubuntu live CD, do I just have to burn the .iso to a CD, or are there other files/programs that I would need?
[03:50] <jdong> dorkface: what do you mean? Burn a Kubuntu ISO you downloaded, or actually customize the CD's contents?
[03:51] <dorkface> I mean so that it acts like a Live CD.  Whenever I got ubuntu cd's from my teacher, there was a live cd, and install CD, so I assumed that the proccess of creation was different
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> the liveCD is now the same as the install CD
[03:51] <dorkface> ah, ok
[03:51] <dorkface> thanks
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> of course, there is the alternate installer.
[03:52] <dorkface> ??
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> for crazy things like RAID and such
[03:52] <dorkface> ah, I don't need that then
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> and if you have problemswith your graphics card with the liveCD
[03:54] <Les_Caesars> hey. I've got a problem. I recently took my hard drive out, put it in an enclosure, failed to prevent it from rattling, and put it back in. Now, for some odd reason, my resolution is only 1024 by 768!
[03:55] <Les_Caesars> I want 1280by 1024 back. How?
[03:55] <blahblahblah> Les_Caesars sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:59] <Les_Caesars> blahblahblah: is there another way to do it? Everything works, and I just want to change the resolution. reconfiguring xorg would mess up a whole bunch of stuff
[03:59] <xevious> Les_Caesars: system settings -> monitor & display, check that your monitor is correctly defined
[04:03] <ekrengel> Les_Caesars: you dont have to reconfigure the whole thing, you can just add the resolution into your xorg.conf
[04:03] <ekrengel> just edit the file
[04:04] <Les_Caesars> ekrengel: I tried. But it doesn't show up in the GUI control panels...
[04:04] <fjpm> hi guys
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> fjpm: hey
[04:05] <ekrengel> Les_Caesars: can you do a pastebin of it?
[04:05] <Les_Caesars> yeah
[04:05] <Les_Caesars> !paste
[04:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:06] <fjpm> i wanna know if any of u have the answer to my problem..well i recently install kubuntu on my laptop a gateway mt3423 but i don't have sound and wireless
[04:06] <fjpm> any idea how to solve it?
[04:07] <Les_Caesars> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40670/
[04:07] <Les_Caesars> @ ekrengel
[04:08] <ekrengel> hmm yeh it looks right
[04:08] <ekrengel> did you restart x?
[04:08] <ekrengel> and still dont see it?
[04:08] <fjpm> no
[04:08] <Les_Caesars> yeah
[04:09] <ekrengel> you could try taking out the other resolutions, so its just 1280x1024
[04:10] <ekrengel> but that might mess it up
[04:10] <hellcattrav> Oi does anyone use open PGP, enigmail with thunderbird?
[04:10] <ekrengel> if you try that make backups of xorg.conf
[04:11] <ekrengel> so you can revert back to it in recovery console
[04:11] <Les_Caesars> got any other ideas?
[04:12] <ekrengel> it might be the driver your using too
[04:12] <Les_Caesars> it worked this morning. It changed when my hard drive got a beating this afternoon
[04:13] <lee__> I enabled the drivers, iam goig to restart....but I have a bad feeling about this
[04:13] <lee__> I'll probalby have to reload ths system
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> lee__: :)
[04:13] <lee__> so do I do full restart?
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[04:14] <lee__> well, heres looking at you...see ya lall.....when I reload
[04:14] <lee__> if Iam not back youll know why lol
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> yeah :)
[04:14] <ekrengel> Les_Caesars: what happened?
[04:15] <DaSkreech> hellcattrav: Either jump to gutsy or hit up getdev for TB 2.0
[04:15] <Les_Caesars> ekrengel: no luck.
[04:15] <ekrengel> what happened to your hard drive?
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech: he already has 2.0
[04:16] <Les_Caesars> ekrengel: I put it in an enclosure to bring with me. It got rattled a whole lot because of other people handling it that don't udnerstand the concept of "fragile"
[04:16] <DaSkreech> Ah Ok
[04:16] <hellcattrav> yer
[04:17] <hellcattrav> im sort of bored its 10:16 pm and im monkeying around with GNU/PGP and engimail...
[04:17] <loki_> i hath forgotten my root password.  how can i go about changing it?
[04:17] <hellcattrav> so if ive got this right...if i click sign message then a bunch of text gets wrapped around it...
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> !root
[04:17] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> hellcattrav: yeah
[04:18] <hellcattrav> and encyrption renders it unreaadable
[04:18] <loki_> uh
[04:18] <ekrengel> Les_Caesars: lol that sucks...I dont see how doing that would mess up your resolution
[04:18] <ekrengel> thats weird
[04:18] <loki_> i can use sudo on my account but i want root access
[04:18] <loki_> like access to the user
[04:18] <Les_Caesars> ekrengel: essential files corrupting, and Linux compensating for them without telling me?
[04:18] <hellcattrav> but I just clicked some button and this time a whole big block ot text game after the --end pgp sig---
[04:19] <hellcattrav> labled --begin pgp public key block---
[04:19] <loki_> i got it
[04:20] <jdong> loki_: any particular reason why you don't want to use sudo?
[04:20] <jdong> it's the recommended way of gaining elevated priviledges
[04:20] <ekrengel> Les_Caesars: what kind of ati card do you have?
[04:20] <Les_Caesars> Radeon 9550
[04:20] <loki_> i would just like to know the root password
[04:20] <loki_> i don't normally get into root on my machine
[04:20] <loki_> it's nice to know I can if i want to
[04:20] <fjpm> any idea guys how to install my realtek wireless card driver rtl-8185?
[04:20] <blahblahblah> there is no root on ubuntu
[04:21] <jdong> loki_: ah, ok. Ubuntu does not have a root password by default (account is disabled), but you can always set one if you really wanted to
[04:21] <genii> loki_: There isn't a root password
[04:21] <loki_> there's a root user right?
[04:21] <blahblahblah> no there isn't
[04:21] <loki_> cause i thought i was root
[04:21] <loki_> su root
[04:21] <blahblahblah> no your not
[04:21] <loki_> you're not your
[04:21] <Les_Caesars> ekrengel: brb. Restarting X
[04:21] <loki_> :P
[04:21] <jdong> loki_: there is a root user, but that is not your current user account
[04:22] <loki_> yea, i log in as a different user
[04:22] <jdong> loki_: the only way to be handed access to the root user is via sudo via an account in the "admin" group
[04:22] <loki_> i just wanted to make sure i could get into root if i wanted to
[04:22] <xevious> is it possible to get the firefox-ish control+enter adds www. and .com to whatever you've typed in the address bar functionality in konqueror?
[04:22] <blahblahblah> loki_ the first user created on ubuntu has effectively root priviledges
[04:22] <loki_> well i have to use sudo for apt-get
[04:22] <blahblahblah> its just that each of the commands you would normally run as root you run as sudo
[04:22] <jdong> blahblahblah: more accurately, "can gain root priviledges"
[04:23] <blahblahblah> all other accounts created after that ... by default settings, are restricted from sudo
[04:23] <loki_> i have a question about cron jobs.  there's a folder you can put your shell scripts in and they'll run hourly/daily etc right?
[04:23] <sub[t] rnl> or you can do "sudo su"
[04:23] <jdong> loki_: /etc/cron.*
[04:23] <loki_> jdong: i had trouble with that, it wouldn't run my scripts
[04:24] <jdong> loki_: if they are chmodded +x then they will run
[04:24] <loki_> ah
[04:24] <loki_> what if they need root access?
[04:24] <jdong> sub[t] rnl: it's generally looked down upon
[04:24] <jdong> loki_: everything in cron.* is run as root
[04:24] <loki_> i just made a simple one that would apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[04:24] <loki_> o
[04:24] <jdong> loki_: note you probably need to specify full paths to the commands you want to run
[04:25] <sub[t] rnl> jdong: just showing other options
[04:25] <jdong> loki_: IIRC cron's environment has a very bare-bones $PATH
[04:25] <hellcattrav> cheers lal
[04:25] <hellcattrav> im off to bed
[04:25] <sub[t] rnl> l8rs hellcattrav
[04:25] <jdong> loki_: note that Ubuntu has that kind of functionality built in
[04:25] <loki_> jdong : where at?
[04:25] <jdong> loki_: System->Admin->Software Sources
[04:26] <loki_> how would i do it in a CLI only environment
[04:26] <jdong> loki_: see Update tab -- it can perform a security update nightly
[04:26] <jdong> loki_: at a CLI-only, I'd just use a cronjob
[04:26] <loki_> ah ok
[04:26] <loki_> jdong : sometimes it asks if you want to continue and will pause.  will it do that if i have it setup as a cronjob?
[04:26] <jdong> loki_: I'm just trying to point out that a default GUI ubuntu install already performs the "apt-get update" nightly, so having a cronjob there will conflict a default GUI install
[04:27] <jdong> loki_: you need to spawn apt in a noninteractive mode
[04:27] <jdong> loki_: apt-get has multiple levels of -y flags, and DEBCONF_FRONTEND should = noninteractive, etc
[04:28] <jdong> loki_: IIRC apt-get is smart enough to realize that cron is not interactive and not bother to ask any questions
[04:28] <loki_> jdong : ok cool, you've been very helpful
[04:29] <jdong> loki_: sure thing
[04:30] <loki_> jdong : if i set the gui version to auto update/upgrade is there a box i can have pop up, non-intrusively to let me know?
[04:30] <loki_> like just slides up from the taskbar?
[04:31] <jdong> loki_: Ubuntu already does that by default
[04:31] <jdong> loki_: if there's available updates, a notifier icon pops up in the tray and a bubble shows "New Updates Available"
[04:33] <ekrengel> Les_Caesars: nothing?
[04:33] <Les_Caesars> ekrengel: well, I managed to fix the resolution problem but fuck up my 3D acceleration.
[04:33] <Les_Caesars> erm!
[04:33] <Les_Caesars> *censor!*
[04:33] <Les_Caesars> sorry.
[04:33] <ekrengel> lol
[04:33] <ekrengel> dri not loading?
[04:33] <ekrengel> i have the same problem with my card now
[04:34] <ekrengel> i dont really know how to fix it
[04:37] <ekrengel> its kinda annoying because it makes my video choppy
[04:43] <blahblahblah> okay so
[04:46] <draik> !ipod
[04:46] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[04:48] <ekrengel> Les_Caesars: i know what you have to do
[04:48] <ekrengel> to get it working
[04:51] <Les_Caesars> ekrengel: yeah?
[04:51] <Les_Caesars> ekrengel: what do I need to do?
[04:51] <Les_Caesars> ekrengel: brb. Restroom
[04:52] <dick-richardson> how do I get a vncserver running on display 0?
[04:52] <ekrengel> Les_Caesars: add these lines to the end of your xorg.conf
[04:53] <ekrengel> Section "Extensions"
[04:53] <ekrengel> Option "Composite" "false"
[04:53] <ekrengel> EndSection
[04:56] <c876> I need to install GRUB
[04:56] <c876> without installing kubuntu again
[04:56] <Lanken> hi, I'm trying to configure kde to use a socks proxy, and I'm not having any luck
[04:56] <DaSkreech> !grub
[04:56] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:57] <c876> thanks DaSkreech
[04:59] <Les_Caesars> ekrengel: ok
[04:59] <Les_Caesars> ekrengel: have you tested to make sure that it works?
[04:59] <surgy> can someone give me some tips on dropping the amount of ram my computer uses at idle?
[05:00] <scienceboy> !live CD
[05:00] <ubotu> Ubuntu Dapper 'Desktop' CD contains a Live CD (Ubuntu that runs straight off the CD and RAM) with an install option. Breezy's Live CD contained no install.
[05:00] <c876> oh man I'm so confused
[05:01] <ekrengel> Les_Caesars: yeah works for me, and thats is said what has to be done for all ati cards to enable 3D acceleration
[05:01] <Les_Caesars> what was your source for fidning this out?
[05:01] <Les_Caesars> because ubuntu figured out my ati cards by default, actually
[05:01] <c876> this only gives me information for fixing the problem with vista >.<
[05:01] <c876> I don't have vista :P
[05:02] <DaSkreech> surgy: Why?
[05:03] <c876> I had windows installed, but then decided to have linux installed on an alternate harddrive, but then I decided to install OSX instead.
[05:03] <surgy> DaSkreech: i just upgraded my memory just to figure out that even after i upgraded i only have 324 mb free
[05:03] <ekrengel> Les_Caesars: its here, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[05:03] <c876> I had already installed kubuntu and GRUB, so, I can't even get to windows now because I can't boot grub
[05:04] <Les_Caesars> ok
[05:04] <surgy> DaSkreech: went from 512mb to 1024mb and still only have 324 mb free
[05:05] <DaSkreech> c876: do you have a live CD?
[05:05] <DaSkreech> surgy: that's a good thing
[05:05] <c876> yeah, that's what I'm using right now
[05:05] <jdong> surgy: how are you estimating free RAM?
[05:05] <surgy> DaSkreech: how?
[05:05] <c876> I may have found what I need, so hold on a sec
[05:05] <jdong> surgy: Ubuntu/Linux/any modern, competent OS will use idle RAM to cache data
[05:06] <DaSkreech> cause unused RAM is wasted RAM
[05:06] <jdong> exactly
[05:06] <jdong> I have 2GB of RAM and currently Ubuntu claims "96MB" is "free"
[05:06] <surgy> jdong: using kinfo center
[05:06] <c876> dang, nevermind, I ALMOST found what I needed
[05:06] <jdong> which of course is not true -- just the disk cache is using all that
[05:06] <c876> I did "sudo grub" and when I hit tab, it gives me a list of commands
[05:06] <jdong> surgy: Free RAM is almost meaningless in modern OS'es
[05:07] <jdong> surgy: it's merely an estimate and doesn't correlate to actual resource utilization in an intuitive way
[05:07] <surgy> jdong: lol ok then i dont have any way to tell how much im actually using
[05:07] <nemesis> does anyone know if the kde4 beta is working right now?
[05:07] <jdong> surgy: unless the system aggressively goes into swap space, don't obsess over RAM counters :)
[05:07] <jdong> surgy: same holds true for CPU counters, or any resource counter
[05:08] <jdong> surgy: obsessing over where all the bytes are going is Linux's job, not yours :)
[05:08] <surgy> ahh
[05:08] <surgy> lol
[05:08] <surgy> i just want to be efficient
[05:08] <jdong> you're the user, you do productive stuff on your computer :)
[05:08] <jdong> if system slowdowns get in the way of that, THEN it's time to take a look
[05:09] <surgy> lol well im trying to get my fps in my game as high as possible was making sure ram is good
[05:11] <c876> the grub loader is giving me error 17: Cannot mount selected partition
[05:12] <surgy> get the super grub disk
[05:13] <jdong> surgy: in general, increasing RAM probably won't help with your FPS
[05:13] <jdong> surgy: unless your FPS is around 5 and the mouse is lagging and the disk is grinding like crazy
[05:13] <jdong> then you've got problems ;-)
[05:14] <surgy> jdong: well it was reporting that it needed more for the options i wanted
[05:15] <jdong> surgy: ah, ok, well that's something that the OS's memory counter couldn't really tell you
[05:15] <galathalion> what do i do with a .bin?
[05:16] <c876> run it usually
[05:16] <dick-richardson> anyone know how to get a vncserver running on display :0?
[05:16] <galathalion> c876: how do i run it?
[05:16] <surgy> jdong: ok well ill trust it for now, it just seams that since i doubled my ram i should see a nice leap in performance and i didnt, then i saw that and i was alarmed
[05:16] <surgy> jdong: but i must go now, thank you for all the info
[05:16] <dick-richardson> galathalion: sudo chmod 755 it, then double click
[05:16] <jdong> surgy: no problem
[05:16] <jdong> galathalion: chmod +x file; ./file
[05:18] <galathalion> its didnt work
[05:18] <galathalion> -s
[05:18] <galathalion> i got this GoogleEarth-thing i wanna use
[05:19] <galathalion> i dl GoogleEarthLinux.bin
[05:19] <galathalion> and dunno what to do with it
[05:19] <galathalion> :S
[05:21] <genii> dick-richardson: http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/x0.html
[07:24] <GuHHH> hey, is there any way to find a line in a file, and add a # to the beggining of the line, by command?
[07:24] <Daisuke-Ido> wish me luck, testing the upgrade tool.
[07:24] <DaSkreech> GuHHH: yes
[07:24] <DaSkreech> Daisuke-Ido: Burn baby burn!
[07:25] <Daisuke-Ido> that wasn't very nice...
[07:25] <medivh> DaSkreech, do you happen to use Beryl?
[07:25] <DaSkreech> Daisuke-Ido: fine fine. Break a leg
[07:26] <DaSkreech> medivh: As little as possible
[07:26] <medivh> DaSkreech, not a fan?
[07:26] <DaSkreech> I'm hardcore baby!
[07:26] <Daisuke-Ido> that seems rather silly to suggest that updating one's software would cause one to break any bones
[07:26] <DaSkreech> With a sweet soft center
[07:26] <DaSkreech>  Which is kinda anti hardcore...
[07:27] <medivh> Daisuke-Ido, I dunno, I've seen software updates cause psychotic frenzy.
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Daisuke-Ido: I've been hearing perfect upgrades once you follow the gutsy upgrade instructions and don't have ultra funky stuff installed so go ahead
[07:28] <Daisuke-Ido> i have some funkty stuff installed.
[07:28] <Daisuke-Ido> funky, too!
[07:28] <DaSkreech> suchas?
[07:29] <Daisuke-Ido> compiz fusion through amaranth's repo, wine through budgetdedicated, libfreetype and cairo through dave beckett's repo...
[07:30] <DaSkreech> wine should be cool
[07:30] <DaSkreech> actually all of those should be alright
[07:30] <Daisuke-Ido> wine never caused a problem
[07:31] <medivh> Rebooting, Be right back.
[07:33] <DaSkreech> Anyone uses lftp ?
[07:33] <xevious> i'm worried that cinelerra will mess up my gutsy upgrade
[07:33] <kristjan_> DaSkreech: what about external repos if upgrading? - do you change right now to newer version or just disable?
[07:34] <DaSkreech> kristjan_: What?
[07:34] <kristjan_> Das
[07:34] <kristjan_> oops
[07:34] <DaSkreech> xevious: Got it from a external repo?
[07:34] <DaSkreech> kristjan_: upgrade the external repo to gutsy?
[07:34] <kristjan_> DaSkreech: say mister M. uses virtualbox repo in feisty
[07:34] <xevious> DaSkreech: it's only available in external repositories.
[07:34] <xevious> DaSkreech: http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu
[07:35] <DaSkreech> xevious: No You could have installed it manually
[07:35] <xevious> DaSkreech: ah. rightio
[07:35] <xevious> DaSkreech: duhhhh
[07:35] <kristjan_> DaSkreech: how is correct way to behave - change repo of virtualbox to gutsy before upgrade or after?
[07:35] <DaSkreech> kristjan_: after. The upgrade process will disable the external repos
[07:35] <DaSkreech> so that you should have at least a stable system
[07:36] <kristjan_> do the google docs work with konqueror?
[07:36] <DaSkreech> Then you can choose which of the repos you want to test a gutsy version on
[07:36] <DaSkreech> kristjan_: Dunno google is kinda konqueror hostile
[07:36] <kristjan_> DaSkreech: what happens with feisty virtualbox packages?
[07:36] <kristjan_> DaSkreech: are they removed during upgrade process?
[07:37] <DaSkreech> kristjan_: If there is a newere version in the main gutsy repos it gets upgraded unless you put a hold on it. Otherwise it remains as is
[07:37] <DaSkreech> kristjan_: very few things are removed and only if you agree to it
[07:37] <kristjan_> DaSkreech: you were right google docs do not work
[07:37] <DaSkreech> and nearly all of them are libs/kernels that you don't /won't use anymore
[07:38] <DaSkreech> xevious: ^^ above goes for you too
[07:39] <kristjan_> DaSkreech: old kernels can be removed with simple command? or they have to be picked manually?
[07:39] <DaSkreech> Hmm?
[07:39] <DaSkreech> Oh like only having one kernel?
[07:39] <GuHHH> does it works: sed 's/$(grep /etc/apt/sources.list -i cdrom)/#$(grep /etc/apt/sources.list -i cdrom)' ?
[07:40] <xevious> ok
[07:40] <medivh> :( sadface I just did the whole dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and when I went into administrator mode under "Monitor and Display" it like...does nothing, no password window comes up :(
[07:40] <DaSkreech> medivh: I don't think that it needs one for that config
[07:41] <DaSkreech> of course I also think that it doesn't work at all....
[07:41] <kristjan_> DaSkreech: there is "admin" box btw
[07:41] <DaSkreech> kristjan_: For ?
[07:41] <kristjan_> DaSkreech: system settings> monitor&display
[07:41] <medivh> medivh, it does, to change the monitor and display (Fixing my resolution again) and I click it, so now the admin box is grayed out, with the center of the window greyed out, and just a red ring...and nothing.
[07:41] <kristjan_> DaSkreech: see for yourself
[07:42] <medivh> I have no idea why I told myself htat
[07:42] <medivh> But ok.
[07:42] <medivh> lol
[07:42] <DaSkreech> kristjan_: I know that it is there.
[07:42] <kristjan_> medivh: you are using wrong thing to use correct resolutions
[07:42] <kristjan_> medivh: not sure why it is put where at all
[07:43] <kristjan_> medivh: what resolution and refresh rate do you want?
[07:43] <medivh> kristjan, huh? Kubuntu doesn't inherently have 1440x900 :P
[07:43] <medivh> I'd prefer 75 refresh rate but it wont let me raise it :P
[07:44] <kristjan_> medivh: type into konsole    gtf 1440x900 75
[07:44] <kristjan_> medivh: no wait       gtf 1440 900 75
[07:44] <medivh> Mmk O_o so it gave me a print out about the settings.
[07:45] <medivh> Relog?
[07:45] <kristjan_> medivh: add this modeline       Modeline "1440x900_75.00"  136.49  1440 1536 1688 1936  900 901 904 940  -HSync +Vsync         to the Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:46] <kristjan_> medivh: also under Section "Screen" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf add "1440x900_75.00" after "Modes"
[07:46] <kristjan_> medivh: are you running feisty?
[07:46] <Daisuke-Ido> mmmkay, glad i'm not on dialup
[07:47] <medivh> kristjan, yes :) I'm on my way to xorg, just had to shut my cellphone up.
[07:50] (kristjan_/#kubuntu) medivh: no let the old be, add new one
[07:50] (medivh/#kubuntu) Ok
[07:50] (kristjan_/#kubuntu) medivh: before you log out and restart x show your xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/
[07:51] <DaSkreech> Anyone uses lftp ?
[07:52] <medivh> kristjan, http://pastebin.com/d4d3464c1
[07:53] <medivh> Oh wait, I missed the screen part >.<
[07:53] <kristjan_> medivh: look into ection "Screen"
[07:53] <kristjan_> medivh: yeah
[07:53] <medivh> kristjan, just noticed that, sorry.
[07:53] <kristjan_> medivh: put "1440x900_75.00" in front
[07:53] <xevious> medivh: is this a flatpanel?
[07:54] <medivh> xevious, LCD, so...essentially yes.
[07:54] <kristjan_> xevious: I hope so, 75Hz is suicide on crt :-)
[07:54] <kristjan_> medivh: wait, what for the 75Hz then?
[07:54] <xevious> most flatpanels run at 60hz only
[07:54] <kristjan_> medivh: I thought it doesn't make a difference on lcd
[07:54] <medivh> Mine runs at 75, has ever since I got it.
[07:54] <xevious> medivh: get the manual and check it's native refresh rate
[07:55] <medivh> 75 is the native.
[07:55] <kristjan_> xevious: I doubt 75 will hurt the lcd ;-)
[07:55] <medivh> kristjan, I dunno O_O the only reason I ever cared about the refresh rate was that I would get horrible headaches on my old monitor if it was too low O_O
[07:55] <kristjan_> medivh: if you are done log out and press Alt+E
[07:55] <xevious> medivh: your old CRT monitor, right?
[07:55] <medivh> xevious, yes, not this one.
[07:56] <xevious> because CRTs refresh the whole screen.
[07:56] <kristjan_> medivh: it's just that I can't tell the difference between 80 or 60Hz on my lcd
[07:56] <xevious> LCDs refresh necessary parts
[07:56] <xevious> there's no constant blinking with LCD panels
[07:56] <medivh> kristjan, I just figured if 75 was the native, and it's highest, I might as well keep it there, I never had headaches with it :)
[07:56] <xevious> kristjan_: because it's receiving the signal and only updating what needs to be updated
[07:57] <xevious> i've never heard of a flatpanel that wasn't 60hz or a multiple of 60hz. (some very high end ones are 120hz and i believe i read about someone coming out with a 180hz)
[07:57] <medivh> xevious, indeed, that's why I can actually take a picture of my computer screen with my phone without the running lines.
[07:57] <xevious> yup
[07:57] <kristjan_> how does the sync of opengl apps work with lcd? I once did an experiment with 100Hz on low resolution, but opengl apps still synced to 60Fps
[07:58] <medivh> kristjan, thanks for your help, I'm going to relog now ;) Thanks, this was much easier than sitting through xorg reconfig.
[07:58] <xevious> opengl apps don't care about your monitor
[07:58] <kristjan_> medivh: you don't know if it works yet ;-)
[07:58] <xevious> they run as fast as your 3d gpu can create the image
[07:58] <kristjan_> xevious: where do they sync then?
[07:59] <kristjan_> xevious: I'm talking about "sync_to_vblank"
[07:59] <xevious> oh
[07:59] <xevious> in that case they do care about your monitor :)
[08:00] <xevious> kristjan_: but notice how glxgears can generate over 2000fps? i'm fairly sure my monitor doesn't do 2000hz
[08:00] <kristjan_> does kubuntu expect us to use that kmenu> system settings> monitor&display thing for configuring xorg.conf?
[08:01] <kristjan_> xevious: can you use lower resos with higher Hz?
[08:02] <xevious> kristjan_: yeah. i'm using a 21" CRT right now. at 1400x1050 it's at 85hz, but if i drop to 640x480 it'll do 120hz
[08:02] <medivh> Yay widescreen.
[08:02] <medivh> :)
[08:02] <kristjan_> xevious: what drivers? nvidia?
[08:02] <medivh> The refresh rate wont change :( but...*Shrug* so long as it's widescreen, I'm happy.
[08:02] <xevious> kristjan_: yeah
[08:03] <xevious> medivh: what monitor is it?
[08:03] <kristjan_> xevious: run nvidia-settings and check "force sync to vblank"
[08:03] <medivh> xevious, what monitor? My LCD?
[08:03] <xevious> medivh: yeah
[08:03] <medivh> xevious, the brand is Envision >.> If that's what you mean.
[08:04] <xevious> medivh: model?
[08:04] <xevious> kristjan_: are settings changed in nvidia-settings effective immediately or do i have to restart X?
[08:04] <kristjan_> medivh: you are confusing - weren't you using 1440x900 already?
[08:04] <kristjan_> xevious: immediately
[08:04] <kristjan_> xevious: see how many frames you get now with native resolution
[08:04] <medivh> xevious, Eh, I'd have to flip it over, which would upset the delicate balance of my post-it notes around my monitor's edge lol
[08:05] <xevious> kristjan_: ahhah!
[08:05] <xevious> kristjan_: 85 :D
[08:05] <kristjan_> xevious: what is your refresh rate?
[08:05] <medivh> kristjan, sorry I'm not trying to be :( I'm just very tired :S My explainations are...lax. I was suffering 800x600
[08:05] <xevious> 85!
[08:05] <medivh> I was running the xorg reconfigure to add my widescreen to the list.
[08:06] <kristjan_> xevious: ok now change to lower reso with higher hz and run glxgears again please
[08:06] <medivh> Then you pointed out how much easier it was to change :)
[08:06] <kristjan_> medivh: xorg-reconfigure did not detect your monitor model?
[08:06] <kristjan_> medivh: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:06] <medivh> kristjan, no, I don't believe so, otherwise it would have had the widescreen, and not "Generic" in there.
[08:07] <medivh> kristjan, I don't have one of those.
[08:07] <kristjan_> medivh: I may try to mess with that system setting monitor&display module some time in the future, never used it
[08:08] <kristjan_> medivh:  /var/log/Xorg.0.log file? are you sure?
[08:08] <medivh> Kristjan, well us not-so-terminal-savvy people try to use it >.> lol
[08:08] <xevious> kristjan_: my 640x480 runs at 120hz and i got 120fps
[08:08] <kristjan_> medivh: actually I like graphical text editors :-)
[08:08] <medivh> kristian, oh wait, wrong place.
[08:09] <kristjan_> xevious: nice, so that means my lcd was special
[08:09] <medivh> Erm, sorry kristjan*
[08:09] <kristjan_> medivh: actually kristjan_
[08:09] <medivh> kristjan, yes I have a xorg.0.log
[08:09] <kristjan_> medivh: what irc client do you use? konversation?
[08:09] <medivh> oop :S sorry, didn't even notice the underscore.
[08:10] <medivh> kristjan_, yes, I just reinstalled Kubuntu so I haven't even done my updates yet :S
[08:10] <kristjan_> xevious: or it could have been opengl in fullscreen, but I never got them to sync to vblank higher than 60 no matter how low resolution
[08:10] <kristjan_> medivh: type kr and press TAB
[08:11] <kristjan_> medivh: can we see your  /var/log/Xorg.0.log file?
[08:11] <medivh> Oh thanks kristjan_.
[08:11] <medivh> kristjan_: If you think it will help, sure.
[08:12] <medivh> kristjan_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40685/
[08:13] <kristjan_> medivh: yeah I'm curious how you couldn't use 1440x900 but now you can but with lower Hz
[08:13] <medivh> kristjan_: This tends to be my luck in general with Linux *lol* Murphy's Law, Anything that can go wrong, Will.
[08:13] <kristjan_> medivh: look at that log file "1440x900_75.00" (hsync out of range)
[08:14] <kristjan_> medivh: interesting?
[08:14] <medivh> kristjan_: O_o funky.
[08:15] <medivh> kristjan_: Why is it saying that? O_o
[08:15] <medivh> kristjan_: Or is that the present enigma?
[08:15] <kristjan_> medivh: but it does use Mode "1440x900@75
[08:16] <kristjan_> medivh: so what's the difference?
[08:16] <kristjan_> medivh: press Alt-F2 and run krandrtray
[08:17] <xevious> medivh: every envision 19" widescreen monitor on their website lists 1400x900@60 as the recommended setting, although they'll sync to 75
[08:17] <xevious> which means that they natively run at 60hz
[08:17] <kristjan_> xevious: look at his log file, dpi 75? does kubuntu use 96 by default if it fails to detect monitor size?
[08:18] <medivh> kristjan_: Sorry, Konversation stopped listening to me :S
[08:19] <kristjan_> medivh: in what way?
[08:19] <medivh> kristjan_: It wouldn't minimize O_o and then it disconnected me O_O
[08:19] <medivh> kristjan_: I wasn't kidding when I said: Anything that can go wrong, will. :P
[08:19] <kristjan_> medivh: did you run krandrtray?
[08:20] <kristjan_> medivh: alt+f2  krandtray
[08:20] <kristjan_> *krandrtray
[08:20] <xevious> kristjan_: not sure about the dpi...
[08:21] <medivh> kristjan_: I did not O_o I am now.
[08:23] <medivh> kristjan_: Thank you so much for your help, I actually need to sleep :( Quite late for me. Sorry for the sudden depature, but thanks a ton for the resolution help :)
[08:25] <xevious> so yeah. his monitor's native refresh is 60hz
[08:30] <kristjan_> xevious: I feel tempted to try that system settings monitor&display module (how cleanly does it create new xorg.conf)
[08:31] <kristjan_> xevious: does it mess with other system files?
[08:33] <xevious> kristjan_: honestly i'm not sure.
[08:34] <xevious> i used it to pick my monitor and then hand tweaked my xorg.conf
[08:35] <xevious> alright
[08:35] <xevious> cigarette then bed.
[08:36] <kristjan_> this google docs supporting only a handful of browsers is so lame :-/
[08:40] <GuHHH> can anybody help? when i try to compile a file it says: "configure: error: libdnet not found" but i have libdnet-dev installed
[08:42] <kristjan_> GuHHH: maybe ./configure can't find the path?
[08:42] <kristjan_> GuHHH: run ./configure --help
[08:44] <GuHHH> kristjan_: i already tried to specify the dirs, didnt work either
[08:45] <kristjan_> GuHHH: maybe unsupported version?
[08:47] <GuHHH> kristjan_: how can i be sure?
[08:48] <kristjan_> GuHHH: google search brought up "libdumbnet" - try installing these
[08:49] <kristjan_> GuHHH: http://tinyurl.com/2hwwyt
[08:50] <GuHHH> kristjan_: already did that too
[08:51] <kristjan_> GuHHH: sorry, no idea
[08:52] <GuHHH> kristjan_: thanks :)
[08:52] <GuHHH> its strange :/
[08:53] <kristjan_> GuHHH: what are you trying to compile?
[08:54] <duccio> hi all..i'm updating from Feisty to Gutsy RC..but i can't
[08:54] <duccio> the message of error is 'can't install kubuntu-desktop'
[08:54] <GuHHH> kristjan_: i'm trying to help somebody else, i don't know what he's compiling hehe
[08:55] <duccio> someone can help me
[08:55] <duccio> ?
[08:56] <kristjan_> duccio: try asking the same question in #ubuntu+1
[08:56] <duccio> thanks kristjan_
[08:59] <pillowpants> does anyone know a program i can burn a .cue image with?
[08:59] <pillowpants> k3b doesnt seem to want to do it
[09:00] <kristjan_> pillowpants: yes it's possible, convert cue to iso
[09:00] <pillowpants> kristjan_, I somewhat need to been it as a cue, since its for a ps1 game
[09:00] <pillowpants> burn*
[09:04] <Scunizi> pillowpants, http://freshmeat.net/projects/bchunk/
[09:14] <soulchild> hey all
[09:14] <soulchild> my kdm theme is not activated, how do i activate it ?
[09:55] <Hamra> !opengl
[09:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:55] <Hamra> !open gl
[09:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about open gl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:56] <Hamra> !synaptic
[09:56] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[09:59] <WaltzingAlong> question?
[09:59] <dappermuis> yes
[10:00] <WaltzingAlong> !ask
[10:01] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:11] <[4N93L] > Hey y'all.
[10:12] <WaltzingAlong> greetings
[10:12] <[4N93L] > Howdy.
[10:27] <nilom> salve a tutti
[10:49] <WaltzingAlong> nilom: salve
[11:10] <[4N93L] > I'm having trouble with Java, can anyone help me out ?
[11:13] <bdgraue> if i try to start kde4beta3 in gutsy backports it give me an:  could not start kdestartupconfig, check your installation.  and after that it falls back to the login. i did all steps fond here: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php  . what can be wrong there?
[11:13] <boubbin> how to check if iptables is up and running ?
[11:21] <WaltzingAlong> boubbin: man iptables            iptables --list
[11:39] <bazhang> morning!
[11:39] <WaltzingAlong> !late morning
[11:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about late morning - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:39] <bazhang> :}
[11:40] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[11:40] <[4N93L] > lol
[11:43] <[4N93L] > Kubuntu .. I Love You !! =|
[11:44] <emilsedgh> +1
[11:46] <WaltzingAlong> !gutsy | bdgraue
[11:46] <ubotu> bdgraue: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[11:47] <bdgraue> WaltzingAlong: but the guys there didn't answer the question, too :/
[11:48] <WaltzingAlong> bdgraue: understandable
[11:48] <bdgraue> why?
[11:48] <WaltzingAlong> support for prerelease ubuntu with prerelease kde4 ?
[11:49] <bdgraue> is there something wrong with my question?
[11:49] <WaltzingAlong> bdgraue: otherwise sudo aptitude update   then try again
[11:49] <Tm_T> bdgraue: no, but its understandable that we cant help
[11:49] <bdgraue> WaltzingAlong: it is up to date
[11:49] <WaltzingAlong> bdgraue: were you running it from a full session?
[11:50] <bdgraue> if i understand your question right, yes, full session
[11:50] <WaltzingAlong> so you created the kde4.desktop file, placing in the few export lines?
[11:51] <bdgraue> i did all described in the beta-release announcement
[11:51] <bdgraue> and the beta2 worked
[11:52] <bdgraue> "worked" in the way an early bate can "work"
[11:52] <bdgraue> early beta
[12:13] <zen> hola
[12:14] <Tm_T> alo
[12:14] <zen> are you german ?
[12:16] <zen> anybody ?
[12:16] <zen> tok, tok
[12:16] <pag> !de | zen
[12:16] <ubotu> zen: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:18] <WaltzingAlong> was gibt's?
[12:18] <zen> hola
[12:19] <zen> Franz Kafka
[12:20] <zen> eine gut schrifften
[12:20] <zen> also Gnter Grass
[12:21] <zen> was passiert hier !
[12:21] <pag> zen, WaltzingAlong; only English in here please.
[12:21] <zen> why ?
[12:21] <WaltzingAlong> pag: zen: this channel is english only support. there are other language only support channels like #kubuntu-de
[12:21] <zen> german language is more than a language
[12:22] <WaltzingAlong> though i suppose one could argue that this one should be esperanto only or just a general tunneling to #kubuntu-en
[12:22] <zen> is the language
[12:22] <zen> jaaa
[12:22] <zen> i am kitting
[12:22] <[4N93L] > :|
[12:22] <WaltzingAlong> zen: have a question concerning kubuntu?
[12:23] <zen> really, no
[12:23] <zen> but have questions a lot  about everything
[12:24] <zen> this IRC is only dedicated to Kubuntu ?
[12:24] <pag> !ot | zen
[12:24] <ubotu> zen: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:24] <WaltzingAlong> zen: this particular channel is support only for kubuntu
[12:25] <zen> sure
[12:27] <WaltzingAlong> zen: but as you can see not so many are asking support questions just now
[12:27] <[4N93L] > Zen left. ><
[12:27] <[4N93L] > Oh yeah, i got a question. ^_^
[12:28] <[4N93L] > Amarok is being a pain in the bum-bum .. -_- it won't install the mp3 support
[12:28] <pag> [4N93L] , " sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs "
[12:28] <[4N93L] > hold on,lemme try that. =] 
[12:29] <WaltzingAlong> [4N93L] : you will also have to restart amork
[12:30] <[4N93L] > Thanx. =] 
[12:40] <omar_> HJi
[12:40] <omar_> Hi
[12:41] <omar_> Hola
[12:54] <atomic_> Mahlzeit
[12:57] <atomic_> ?
[01:22] <Kachna> !compiz
[01:22] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:22] <Kachna> mh
[01:23] <Kachna> pls doesn't anyone have some howtos on compiz? i'm setting it up again,and got a lil prob with it today :/
[01:25] <atlfalcons866> whats the bare minium processor speed needed to run kde
[01:26] <WaltzingAlong> atlfalcons866: not sure. i have it running on an amd k6-3 400mhz
[01:26] <atlfalcons866> how much ram
[01:26] <WaltzingAlong> 192
[01:26] <atlfalcons866> is it slow
[01:29] <WaltzingAlong> atlfalcons866: no. but i typically turn off all of the extra gui effects anyway. kpersonalizer
[01:29] <dumnut_> i have hp pavilion laptop with vista and it's really buggy, does distro 7 work with my laptop?
[01:30] <atlfalcons866> ok i might be stuck with a celeron 450MHz =(
[01:30] <WaltzingAlong> dumnut_: what is distro 7?
[01:30] <WaltzingAlong> atlfalcons866: you could also run xfce (xubuntu) or fluxbox as a window manager
[01:30] <dumnut_> i ordered a couple days ago kubuntu disk i think it was distro 7
[01:30] <atlfalcons866> i know
[01:31] <WaltzingAlong> dumnut_: kubuntu 7.04 ?
[01:31] <dumnut_> i think so, my memory is blurred with all alcohol i drunk in college
[01:32] <WaltzingAlong> dumnut_: i would say yes kubuntu 7.04 works on your laptop
[01:34] <dumnut_> yes 7.04, cool, kubuntu rocks
[01:35] <dumnut_> if and when i get funding for my startup business, i'll setup a pre-register to buy stocks and let you guys know when to do it for you your family and friends.
[01:37] <WaltzingAlong> or perhaps contributing financially through contributions to kde, gnu, linux, and the rest?
[01:38] <dumnut_> WaltzingAlong: good point, will do.
[01:47] <lilith> slt
[01:47] <STDs> does anyone noe the difference between ls and ls-l
[01:49] <savetheWorld> the 2nd one is not a command (as typed)
[01:49] <WaltzingAlong> STDs: ls -l  is the long output listing           (thanks man ls)
[01:49] <savetheWorld> however 'ls -l" is a command
[01:52] <lilith> <STD  ls -l gives all the details of all programs with all the rights in list mode
[01:54] <lilith> hey, does everyone know how to put the ktorrent logs into the dev/nul ?
[01:56] <WaltzingAlong> disable the logs altogether?
[01:57] <lilith> yes!
[01:58] <flake> will gutsy include kde 4 release?
[01:59] <lilith> all i want is to keep usint Ktorrent but with no logs files ;)
[02:06] <Dragnslcr> flake- final release of KDE 4.0 won't be ready until December, last I heard. I believe KDE4 beta will be in the standard repositories (universe, I think)
[02:06] <flake> thanks Dragnslcr
[02:07] <Jucato> might be in the standard repos, or might be in kubuntu.org repos. either way, it won't be there by default
[02:07] <WaltzingAlong> flake: no
[02:07] <Tm_T> yup
[02:07] <Jucato> conflicting answers :)
[02:07] <Jucato> no... yup...
[02:07] <Jucato> :)
[02:07] <Tm_T> haha
[02:07] <WaltzingAlong> when kubuntu gutsy is released it will not be with kde 4
[02:07] <flake> it's all good =] 
[02:07] <WaltzingAlong> but yes there will be ways to install kde4 from the repositories
[02:08] <Tm_T> I'm in programming lecture
[02:08] <Jucato> then hush! pay attention!
[02:08] <Dragnslcr> Isn't KDE4 in its own (i.e. non-standard) repository now?
[02:08] <Dragnslcr> And it's supposed to be in universe for 7.10?
[02:09] <Dragnslcr> I think that's the last thing I heard
[02:09] <Jucato> it's in universe right now, but that's beta 2
[02:09] <Jucato> since everything's frozen now, any new kde4 packages will either have to be in -backports or kubuntu.org
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> its in backports..
[02:10] <Dragnslcr> I thought KDE4 beta was in backports for 7.04?
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: RC....
[02:11] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: don't know. I don't have -backports enabled yet
[02:11] <Jucato> in gutsy
[02:11] <Kachna> !compiz
[02:11] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: ah...gutsy... I was talking fiesty
[02:12] <emilsedgh_> anyone knows when packages will be ready?
[02:13] <Jucato> when they're ready...
[02:13] <Dragnslcr> Jucato- are you using KDE4? I'm curious if kwin's compositing will be comparable to Compiz
[02:14] <Daisuke-Ido> why does everyone feel they need to reinvent the wheel?
[02:14] <flake> Daisuke-Ido, not reinvent, add flames to it to make it go faster
[02:14] <Jucato> Dragnslcr: it's.. um... right now I can't really compare in terms of performance. using a build with fulldebug makes it a lot slower than normal
[02:15] <Jucato> there's no Cube if that's what you're wondering
[02:15] <emilsedgh_> not comparabale atm
[02:15] <Dragnslcr> Maybe I'll check it out when I get around to trying KDE4
[02:16] <Daisuke-Ido> flake: funny, but not what i meant
[02:16] <Daisuke-Ido> all of a sudden everyone and their uncle is doing compositing...
[02:16] <flake> i don't know what that means
[02:16] <WaltzingAlong> the pretty effects with compiz
[02:17] <Daisuke-Ido> compiz, kwin in kde4, xfwm's compositing...
[02:17] <flake> i would like to have maybe a clock and a weather thing on my desktop without a black border around it
[02:17] <Dragnslcr> I think being part of kwin would be a nice improvement. I have to keep switching between Compiz and kwin because certain apps (games and VNC) tend to choke if Compiz is running
[02:17] <Jucato> Daisuke-Ido: since your picky about reinventing the wheel... let's start with "why didn't Compiz just start to work on a working, stable window manager and add compositing to that?"
[02:18] <Jucato> then, "why didn't Compiz decide to support KDE well early on?"
[02:18] <Daisuke-Ido> Jucato: that as well
[02:18] <Daisuke-Ido> nothing major, not a life-changing thing, i was just curious
[02:18] <Jucato> so, in answer, kwn's  compositing is not "reinventing the wheel"
[02:18] <Jucato> but I don't want to carry this offtopic topic...
[02:19] <Daisuke-Ido> call it parallel evolution :)
[02:20] <bazhang> :}
[02:24] <blendtux> guys i was wondering is it possible with ubuntu linux to use gmail as kind of a storage remote backup
[02:24] <WaltzingAlong> !info gmailfs
[02:24] <ubotu> gmailfs: Use your GMail account as a filesystem. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.7.2-2 (feisty), package size 24 kB, installed size 156 kB
[02:24] <blendtux> oke
[02:25] <blendtux> thanks ubotu
[02:25] <blendtux> and WaltzingAlong
[02:25] <Jucato> !thanks | blendtux
[02:25] <ubotu> blendtux: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[02:25] <blendtux> ehm
[02:25] <blendtux> lol
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> sweeto!
[02:26] <bazhang> :}
[02:35] <shadowhywind> Hay al ljust a quick question, What are the chances that it is a driver issue, if my wireless card no longer is seen in kubuntu and in Windows?
[02:37] <ubuntu> How do i install ATI driver?
[02:37] <WaltzingAlong> !ati | ubuntu
[02:37] <ubotu> ubuntu: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:37] <WaltzingAlong> shadowhywind: may be hardware
[02:38] <shadowhywind> WaltzingAlong that is what i am also thinking, since when in vista, I can't even get vista to acknoledge the fact that there is a wireless card there. The strange part is the bluetooth is working
[02:38] <WaltzingAlong> pci card? tried removing it? replacing it to anotherh pci slot?
[02:39] <shadowhywind> its a built in wireless/bluetooth
[02:39] <ubuntu> whats the command to view what card you got because my freind who i'm installing this for has forgotten
[02:39] <WaltzingAlong> lspci   or  lsusb
[02:39] <shadowhywind> i don't have a screwdriver witth me at the moment, But maybe later tonight i will take the back case off, and see if it just got dissconnected or somthing
[02:40] <shadowhywind> and nothing to interesting in either one of those commands
[02:41] <shadowhywind> thanks anyways, I will check some other things out. And if anything, call HP. the notebook is still under warrenty
[02:58] <hw_> I just upgraded to feisty and when I try to install qgit I get "git-core: Conflicts: qgit (< 1.5.5) but 1.5.3-1 is to be installed". Any ideas howto solve?
[03:02] <root> Whats the command to view what graphic card i got_
[03:04] <pnano> I tried to upgrade kubuntu 6.06 to 7.04, get errors, here: http://pastebin.com/d70f17d50
[03:04] <Jucato> root: lspci | grep -i vga
[03:04] <pnano> anyone could help me have a look at the errors?
[03:04] <pnano> I use <sudo apt-get install -f>
[03:05] <pnano> It can't solve
[03:05] <pnano> the conflict
[03:07] <root> pnano: just let me install my drivers for a freind and ill help you
[03:09] <pnano> thank you!
[03:13] <lala> salut les kepon$
[03:13] <lala> hihihihi
[03:17] <pnano> who here have any idea for upgrade error messge???
[03:17] <pnano> I just post it
[03:17] <pnano> http://pastebin.com/d42e5e580
[03:17] <tony_> Does anyone know the files to download to play DVDs and wmv/avis?
[03:17] <pnano> Mplayer
[03:18] <Jucato> !codecs | tony_
[03:18] <ubotu> tony_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:36] <Angelus> gutsy is out?
[03:36] <Angelus> O_o
[03:39] <adriano> gh
[03:42] <martin_> HALLO?
[03:44] <Hamra> genii: how do you write these messages?
[03:44] <martin_> I search a germen support Channel for k/ubuntu. Can you help me?
[03:44] <genii> schiste: Thanks :) <hands you a coffee and munches cookie>
[03:44] <schiste> Yeah!
[03:44] <schiste> I really need it
[03:44] <genii> Hamra: //me does something
[03:44] <genii> Hamra: only 1 /
[03:45] <schiste> I would also need an adrealine jag
[03:45] <genii> schiste: I understand, i've had those types of days
[03:45] <Hamra> ok thnx
[03:45] <schiste> Yeah... -_-
[03:45] <schiste> I'd like to clone myself
[03:45] <genii> !de | martin_
[03:45] <ubotu> martin_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:45] <schiste> Or to have slaves
[03:46] <martin_> THX :-)
[03:46] <genii> martin_: bitte
[03:48] <bkudria> when i try to specify a gpg key in my kmail identity, i gte an error "An error occurred while fetching the keys from the backend: General error".  I followed the guide here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KMailGPGAgent but it doesn't work.  can someone help me troubleshoot?
[03:49] <dynacrylic> what version of kde will be on kubuntu 7.10?
[03:51] <Jucato> 3.5.8
[03:52] <dynacrylic> thanks
[03:53] <blendtux> what are the difference with kde 3\.5.6 compared to 3.5.8
[03:54] <Jucato> bug fixes
[03:54] <Jucato> 3.5.x are minor/maintenance releases. very few new features. (but sometimes there are small new ones)
[03:55] <Jucato> the release announcement for 3.5.8 will be out soon with more info
[03:56] <earl_> hey guys. is there a trivial way to shut off the touchpad on my laptop?
[03:56] <bkudria> (and with a changelog, but if you are clever, you can hack the url)
[03:56] <earl_> bonus points if there's a way to automate it for when i have a mouse plugged in
[03:56] <bkudria> earl_: mine has a button :)
[03:56] <bkudria> earl_: try ksynaptics
[03:57] <bkudria> earl_: i think that handles it, but if not, you can code a script and make it work with hal, theoretically
[03:57] <earl_> i'd rather not have to write a script myself
[03:57] <earl_> is ksynaptics available from adept?
[03:58] <earl_> guess it is
[04:00] <earl_> thanks
[04:06] <MarcC_> how do I check my kde version?
[04:06] <Jucato> MarcC_: any KDE app -> Help menu -> About KDE
[04:06] <Jucato> or "kde-config --version"
[04:07] <MarcC_> thanks :)
[04:07] <MarcC_> crazy that there's an "about KDE" dialog on every KDE app :D
[04:08] <ksivaji> is there anyone using gnusim 8085 here or is there any separate  channel for this ?
[04:15] <bjwebb> hi
[04:15] <pag> hi bjwebb :)
[04:18] <bjwebb> anyone heard of kbfx?
[04:18] <MarcC_> sure, installed it a while ago
[04:18] <bjwebb> i mean i like what its trying to do, but did you find it a bit.. well clunky?
[04:19] <MarcC_> I stopped using it after a few minutes :)
[04:20] <bjwebb> hmm i was wondering if there were any other similar things
[04:23] <hw_> Adept crashed and now Adept the package database is used by another process. How can I solve this?
[04:23] <ardchoille> !adeptfix
[04:23] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[04:23] <hw_> Wow, that was quick. Thx!
[04:23] <ardchoille> Does synaptic ever crash?
[04:24] <ardchoille> yw
[04:24] <WaltzingAlong> sure
[04:24] <genii> ardchoille: Yup
[04:25] <ardchoille> adept takes a while to load so I wrote a small app that takes about 2 seconds to load :)
[04:26] <bjwebb> aptitude ftw
[04:26] <ardchoille> Good point
[04:27] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[04:28] <pag> hey BluesKaj :)
[04:28] <BluesKaj> hi pag :)
[04:29] <juanra> principiante necesita ayuda sobre kubuntu
[04:29] <BluesKaj> been busy roofing the couple of days ....lotsa fun :P
[04:29] <pag> !es | juanra
[04:29] <ubotu> juanra: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:29] <WaltzingAlong> !en
[04:29] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[04:36] <TimS> Is it possible to password encrypt a memory stick? I would Idealy like to be able to use it in Win and Kub but Kubuntu only is okay
[04:41] <fdoving> TimS: i have not tried,but maybe something like: http://www.mepis.org/node/11434 will work?
[04:44] <bjwebb> anyone here use domino style?
[04:44] <pag> bjwebb, yup.
[04:45] <ksivaji> !gusty
[04:45] <ubotu> It is spelt !guTSy :)
[04:46] <Hamra> where can i find a list of the packages available for apt-get ?
[04:46] <bjwebb> pag: do you have trouble with firefox scroll bars?
[04:47] <ardchoille> Hamra: Um.. in adept?
[04:47] <Dalton> does anyone know how to get Dolphin to use the systems double click settings?  Single click is a pain when trying to perform any file operations
[04:47] <pag> bjwebb, I don't use it for GTK apps anymore, but I recall having those problems back then... Couldn't figure any fix though
[04:47] <ardchoille> bjwebb: You mean the scrollbar goes below/hides?
[04:47] <bjwebb> erm kindof
[04:47] <bjwebb> the curvy bits at the end go fuzzy
[04:48] <Hamra> ardachoile: stupid me, thnx
[04:48] <ardchoille> bjwebb: iirc, there is a fix for that in kde control centre. open kcontrol, go to Appearance & Themes > GTK Style > bottom section
[04:49] <bjwebb> ardchoille: hey thanks!
[04:49] <lavacano201014> oats
[04:49] <dovecothelp> hello
[04:49] <pag> !hi | dovecothelp
[04:49] <ubotu> dovecothelp: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[04:50] <dovecothelp> i have a problem with mailx
[04:50] <dovecothelp> i install devocot+sieve
[04:50] <dovecothelp> and now i can't send mail
[04:50] <AstralJava> Hello everyone! :) A few days/maybe two weeks ago I was wondering about the state of KDE4 components in gutsy. Does anyone know the state of them? I'm asking because kde4pim has a dependency for kde4pim-data (= 3.92.0-0ubuntu1)  but 3.94.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[04:51] <dovecothelp> can you help me?
[04:51] <ardchoille> AstralJava: kde4 is barely usable
[04:51] <AstralJava> ardchoille: Yes, I heard that the last time as well. :) I'm still a beta-tester, so trying to help out at the same time. :)
[04:52] <ardchoille> oh, ok
[04:52] <AstralJava> ardchoille: Cause that's a bug, right? Can we get it fixed still?
[04:52] <WaltzingAlong> !ot
[04:52] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:53] <dovecothelp> please help me with dovecot+mailx
[04:53] <bjwebb> ardchoille: not fixed :S
[04:53] <Dalton> Does anyone know how to change the default mouseclick settings for Dolphin (the default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10)
[04:53] <ardchoille> bjwebb: :(
[04:53] <WaltzingAlong> !gutsy | Dalton
[04:53] <ubotu> Dalton: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[04:54] <bjwebb> bbiab
[04:54] <WaltzingAlong> Dalton: how do you mean? it is a standard kde app so it follows the click conventions of kde;
[04:54] <WaltzingAlong> !info kpersonalizer | Dalton
[04:54] <ubotu> dalton: kpersonalizer: installation personalizer for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.7 (feisty), package size 491 kB, installed size 808 kB
[04:55] <Dalton> My desktop and konqueror all work with a double mouse click, unfortunately, within Dolphin, it uses single click and there is no place within dolphin to change the setting
[04:56] <bjwebb> :S
[04:57] <fdoving> Dalton: that does sound strange, are you sure dolphin is not running as root or any other user somehow?
[04:57] <MetaMorfoziS> +1
[04:57] <ardchoille> Dolphin will be one of the first thigns I rip out of Gutsy
[04:57] <fdoving> i think dolphin is nice.  :)
[04:58] <MetaMorfoziS> there are some ununderstandable things in kubuntu:) Why not includes krusader? why not includes firefox? why uses the shitty own setting application instead of kcontrol? etc:)
[04:58] <WaltzingAlong> some of the interface is nice but i guess i have just become use to the more versatile konqueror
[04:58] <Dalton> Dolphin is running as the user, everything else has been checked
[04:59] <ardchoille> Dalton: Are you sure this isn't a mouse setting? There is a setting in kcontrol to have double-click or single-click
[04:59] <fdoving> MetaMorfoziS: system settings will be there in kde4. konqueror is already a webbroser, shipping two on the CD is waste when you can add something usefull instead.
[04:59] <Hamra> !dolphin
[04:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dolphin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:59] <ubuntu> hello, how do I check the files on my windows harddrives?
[04:59] <ubuntu> I need to check which one to format
[04:59] <MetaMorfoziS> fdoving > kde4 drops kcontrol?
[04:59] <Dalton> btw,  kpersonalizer does not show up in the list of installable or upgradable software in 7.10rc
[04:59] <WaltzingAlong> !info dolphin
[04:59] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1251 kB, installed size 2252 kB
[05:00] <BluesKaj> !partitions | ubuntu
[05:00] <MetaMorfoziS> fdoving > if konq a browser, include krusader as a filemanager:)
[05:00] <ubotu> ubuntu: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[05:00] <WaltzingAlong> !info kpersonalizer | Dalton
[05:00] <ubotu> dalton: kpersonalizer: installation personalizer for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.7 (feisty), package size 491 kB, installed size 808 kB
[05:00] <Dalton> dolphin is the new default file manager in 7.10, no longer optional
[05:00] <fdoving> MetaMorfoziS: looks like they do,there will be a systemsettings instead.
[05:00] <MetaMorfoziS> :(((
[05:00] <fdoving> MetaMorfoziS: dolphin is the filemanager :)
[05:00] <fdoving> like it will be for kde4.
[05:01] <MetaMorfoziS> i can think dolphin become useful in the future... but systemsettings... thats a crap:(
[05:01] <Dalton> btw, I asked about this on #ubuntu+1 and I have gotten no response
[05:01] <fdoving> it's a rather simple operation to switch back to konqueror for those who like it better
[05:01] <WaltzingAlong> and even for those who do not
[05:01] <WaltzingAlong> as i imagine the steps are the same
[05:02] <fdoving> Dalton: right-click on a folder -> properties -> wrench/toolbox -> move koqnueror to the top of the list in the open-with list.
[05:02] <fdoving> Application Preference Order, actually.
[05:03] <bjwebb> why do scrollbars muck up :S
[05:03] <Dalton> other than stupid problems like not honouring the mouse click settings, dolphin is very nice.  But when you want to select files for deletion or some other file operation, they are opened..... Think about getting rid of large graphic files, based upon the preview, but when you click it to delete the file, gimp opens up.....
[05:04] <ardchoille> Dalton: Did you check your mouse settings? That single click is default in Feisty to, iirc, but you can change it.
[05:05] <WaltzingAlong> Dalton: if it is single click, then hold Ctrl when left-mouse clicking the icon. otherwise simply right-mouse click it to select delete
[05:05] <blendtux> does anybody overhere has anyluck with mounting gmail on kubuntu feisty
[05:05] <ardchoille> blendtux: ?
[05:05] <WaltzingAlong> !info gmailfs
[05:05] <ubotu> gmailfs: Use your GMail account as a filesystem. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.7.2-2 (feisty), package size 24 kB, installed size 156 kB
[05:05] <blendtux> yes i installed it but now
[05:06] <WaltzingAlong> oh to configure it
[05:06] <blendtux> yes
[05:06] <WaltzingAlong> did you view the homepage? http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html
[05:06] <ardchoille> Use gmail as a file system? So, when gmail goes down, what happens to your files?
[05:07] <WaltzingAlong> no access to them
[05:07] <blendtux> wating till it goes up again
[05:07] <ardchoille> That's my point
[05:09] <WaltzingAlong> and a good point it was, asking a question to make a point
[05:09] <WaltzingAlong> so generally it is a bad idea to have /home mounted as gmailfs ?
[05:09] <bjwebb> why do scrollbars muck up with firefox and domino even after fix :S
[05:11] <ardchoille> WaltzingAlong: Sounds like your files would be in the gmailfs on someone else's computer. That's unsafe. If you lose the connection, you have no access to your files.
[05:12] <WaltzingAlong> ardchoille: thanks. i guess i will just store other things there
[05:14] <tsb> I would like to be able to share my desktop with someone safely. Any recommendations? We both have to be able to work on it at the same time.
[05:16] <arash> tsb, how do you mean? should there be 2 mouses, two computers on your table desktop?
[05:16] <tsb> arash: I want to invite someone over the internet to control my desktop. Actually I have 2 (twinview), and I'd like to be able to share :0.1
[05:17] <[4N93L] > arash: he means,Remote Desktop Sharing.
[05:17] <tsb> arash: (he is using a windows machine)
[05:17] <fdoving> tsb: use vnc or something similar over a ssh tunnel for example?
[05:17] <tsb> there's just so many alternatives, freenx, nx free, x11vnc..
[05:18] <arash> tsb: aha, do your friend mind using illegal things, in so case VNC might be  a solution, but wait for some pro to give best software hint
[05:18] <arash> I think it's called WinVNC*
[05:18] <bjwebb> arash: why is VNC illegal?
[05:19] <arash> bjwebb: I remember reading @ their site that WinVNC costs if you wanna connect from Windows to non-Windows :p, I meant WinVNC*, Im no expert at the subject
[05:20] <bjwebb> ahh
[05:20] <fdoving> arash: there are for example free alternatives like tightvnc and so on.
[05:20] <arash> fdoving: ok, say that to tsb ;), nice to know anyway
[05:21] <tsb> It is important that it works with my *existing* session
[05:22] <arash> tsb. are you using krfb?
[05:22] <tsb> arash: at the moment, nothing. I'l looking at it right now though
[05:22] <arash> tsb: It's preinstalled on my Kubuntu
[05:22] <fdoving> tsb: x11vnc and openssh-server on your side, putty and some vnc client on his side. then figure out how to use putty to setup a port-forwarding-tunnel to the port on your machine where x11vnc is listening for connections.
[05:23] <tsb> fdoving: that's what I thought
[05:24] <tsb> x11vnc is fast then? is there any big difference between vnc and nx?
[05:24] <fdoving> nx is faster, but nx does not support shared sessions as far as i'm aware.
[05:24] <tsb> fdoving: ah, thank you.
[05:24] <tsb> vnc it is then
[05:28] <[4N93L] > I have a question, where can i find a good app. that has Jordan as a country for the Adsl connection ?
[05:29] <[4N93L] > I've got this program but i'm connected through France. :S
[05:30] <tsb> fdoving: http://hans.fugal.net/blog/articles/2007/07/16/nx-desktop-sharing
[05:49] <Hamra> [4N93L] : if you get any luck tell me, i quit searching for lebanon some while ago :P
[05:53] <[4N93L] > Hamra: Lol.
[05:53] <[4N93L] > I found one for Turkey once, but that was a long time ago.
[05:53] <[4N93L] > ><
[05:57] <bwayne> how can I get a SUSE-style menu in Kubuntu?  is there a package in the repos?
[05:57] <Hamra> [4N93L] : currently im using internet on kubuntu by LAN from a winxp computer, but i heard (though never tried) of a program called rp-pppoe for internet connections, give it a try
[05:58] <Tm_T> !kickoff | bwayne
[05:58] <ubotu> bwayne: Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[05:58] <Tm_T> hmmmm
[05:58] <Tm_T> not what I wanted
[05:59] <lala> salut je cherche des francais
[06:00] <ubunturos> !fr | lala
[06:00] <ubotu> lala: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:00] <bwayne> Tm_T: ok.  so kickoff is what I'm looking for.  doesn't appear to be in the repos.
[06:00] <[4N93L] > Hamra: Try the command "sudo pppoeconf" that should somewhat help. :S Atleast that's the reason i can be online.
[06:00] <TimS> Whats the command to reset my screen resolution after a game?
[06:01] <TimS> !resolution
[06:01] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:02] <Hamra> [4N93L] : tried it, didnt find anything, anyway im not complaining, its simpler this way, this way my useless winxp computer have something useful to do :P
[06:02] <[4N93L] > Lmao.
[06:03] <[4N93L] > Anyone good with IRC ??
[06:03] <[4N93L] > I need to learn commands,any type of command is good enough for me.
[06:03] <[4N93L] > -_-;
[06:03] <jpatrick> I think we all have some experience...
[06:03] <[4N93L] > share?
[06:03] <ubunturos> [4N93L] : the Konvesation docs has quite a lot of them
[06:04] <jpatrick> !irc
[06:04] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[06:04] <[4N93L] > ubunturos: actually it doesnt. =\
[06:04] <ubunturos> [4N93L] : you want /all/ of them?
[06:04] <[4N93L] > yeah =\
[06:05] <[4N93L] > atleast then i can pick the ones important to me.
[06:05] <ubunturos> umm, ok
[06:06] <[4N93L] > jpatrick: that didnt help. I asked for commands,not clients and servers.
[06:07] <jpatrick> [4N93L] : yeah, sorry, truth is I hardly use any commands
[06:07] <martin_> Hallo :) darf man hier deutsch schreiben ?
[06:08] <llutz> !de
[06:08] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:08] <[4N93L] > "hardly" , meaning you do use afew. =] 
[06:08] <martin_> k thx
[06:18] <Daisuke-Ido> upgrade finally complete!
[06:18] <Daisuke-Ido> time to reboot
[06:19] <dragoness> hello
[06:19] <dragoness> please, ccould I get help about mozilla thunderbird?
[06:20] <itch_> Hello guys. I have a small problem. I need to change the permisions on a ntfs partition mounted by filesystem at boot time as ntfs-3g. i`ve tried with sudo chmod, but it`s not working, Any sugestion ?
[06:21] <dragoness> itch http://help.ubuntu-it.org/6.10/ubuntu/desktopguide/it/ch10s03.html
[06:21] <dragoness> the link is in Italian but I believe that the instructions (in the boxes) are quite cleare
[06:21] <[4N93L] > I have to leave, buhbye y'all.
[06:21] <dragoness> the command umask=0222 in the fstab seems to have solved the problem for me
[06:22] <itch_> dragoness: ok, let my try it.
[06:22] <dragoness> no prob itch
[06:23] <dragoness> hope it works :)
[06:25] <itch_> dragoness: umask=0222 makes my partition read-only
[06:26] <Hamra> i just installed firefox 2, when i start it, it asks for a profile and i create one, but when i close firfox and start it again i won't find the profile!
[06:26] <dragoness> ugh itch_... true
[06:27] <dragoness> I wouldn't know, then, sorry
[06:27] <dragoness> the ro option was enough for me so I didn't search any further
[06:27] <dragoness> probably you could find stg in man umask
[06:27] <itch_> dragoness: thanks anyway. but I need it to be rw
[06:27] <dragoness> I don't know
[06:28] <llutz> itch_: don't know about ntfs, but umask=0000 may help
[06:29] <jussi01> !ntfs
[06:29] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[06:29] <jussi01> !ntfs-3g
[06:29] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:29] <jussi01> that link might have something
[06:29] <itch_> thank you jussi01
[06:29] <jussi01> :)
[06:30] <dragoness> please
[06:30] <dragoness> can anyone help me with the thunderbird?
[06:30] <dragoness> I'd like to import the account I have on my windows partition
[06:30] <genii> All you should need with ntfs-3g in the fstab is fs type to be ntfs-3g, then options would be something like defaults, then possibly a locale=<some locale specific info here>
[06:32] <genii> If your ntfs disk is some external then also run ntfs-config and check off the option to use external disks
[06:32] <jussi01> dragoness: google it. Im pretty sure there was something on the wiki about it
[06:33] <dragoness> jussi01: I tried but without success :)
[06:33] <jussi01> dragoness: ok. I know there was omething though :/
[06:33] <dragoness> I found a manual on thunderbird which says that, when you add an account, it offers you an option "do you want to import"
[06:33] <dragoness> MY thunderbird does nothing of the kind :)))
[06:34] <Daisuke-Ido> whee, gutsy is go!
[06:34] <dragoness> while I'm chatting here I'm continuing the research
[06:34] <dragoness> but up to now...
[06:39] <genii> dragoness: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/search?q=accountex&status=4
[06:40] <dragoness> thx genii
[06:40] <genii> dragoness: np
[06:40] <dragoness> going there right away
[06:41] <hydrogen> dragoness: its due to the fact that your account is stored in an odd place (it was on windows)
[06:41] <hydrogen> dragoness: You would need to move the profile and do crazy things to it to get thunderbird to find/import it
[06:42] <hydrogen> and unfortunatly.. I don't know what those things are, you probablhy want to ask somewhere more thunderbird-centric
[06:43] <genii> dragoness: Prudent thing would be have some small shared partition or such, install the extension in both OS. Export from Win the results to that shared area. Import into Linux from same place
[06:43] <dragoness> yes
[06:44] <dragoness> I can see my windows partition from linux
[06:44] <dragoness> I'm downloading the accountex now
[06:44] <dragoness> let me see what I can do with that...
[08:45] <lup0> GoOcHiE: what graphics card do you have?
[08:46] <GoOcHiE> nvidia agp 8x 64mb
[08:47] <lee986321> eh amI the only one running gutsy in Kunbuntu/
[08:47] <lup0> lee986321: I just upgraded my laptop from kubuntu feisty to gutsy RC
[08:47] <lee986321> any how has any one else had issues with the ati driver x300
[08:47] <U238Willy> nope.. I will be as soon as it finishes installing.
[08:48] <lup0> lee986321: nope, I've got an intel chip
[08:48] <U238Willy> nvidia
[08:48] <lee986321> ahh
[08:49] <ScorpKing> subramani:  this is my box - http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9735/mydesktopzk5.jpg and http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8489/mydesktop2uq8.jpg
[08:49] <ScorpKing> subramani: you'll need to install kbfx and superkaramba
[08:50] <genii> ScorpKing: Geez, nasty red green yellow and blue thing down there on the left
[08:50] <lee986321> hmm is radeon based on amd?
[08:50] <ScorpKing> genii: lol. i changed it to the kubuntu one. :P
[08:51] <subramani> ScorpKing: thanks
[08:52] <lee986321> well Iam running the 64   bit version the drivers for the 32 bit work on  ubuntu, in 32 bit mode.
[08:52] <lee986321> the drivers though say its for both 32 and 64
[08:52] <ScorpKing> subramani: np. :D
[08:52] <lee986321> so far the 64 even with out the adapter in use has given me stable graphics
[08:53] <lee986321> but wha I hit that enguage  the dgpaics adapter tha t Is when all heck breaks loose
[08:53] <lee986321> so Im wondering should I use vesa, or wwhat?
[08:54] <lee986321> or do I need to selct the flgrx driver then hit the  ok key?
[08:54] <Minataku> How can you use a 64bit driver in 32bit mode?
[08:54] <Minataku> That's not possible.
[08:55] <lee986321> yeah good question because ati sent theis thing with either 64 or 32 when it sets up it auto ids your system as either 32 or 64 then goes from there
[08:55] <U238Willy> lee986321, for Gutsy help I'd hop on over to #ubuntu+1 and ask there (since that's the Gutsy RC channel) if you don't get it resolved here.
[08:55] <lee986321> e h I am planning to load the fiesty version
[08:56] <lee986321> Iam jsut wondering if in general I am setting someting wrong
[08:57] <TimS> ScorpKing: Where would I get a list of the cards that work with Kubuntu
[08:57] <ScorpKing> uhm. not sure. i saw a list somewhere on google. maybe try that.
[08:58] <TimS> Okay, and whhhyyy do you try and look like Vista
[08:58] <lee986321> the list said my racd was acceptable
[08:59] <Fern> Vista looks awesome
[08:59] <lee986321> well I have the back up of the x.org config
[08:59] <lee986321> vista has sissues lol
[08:59] <TimS> :o Fern never say that in here :P
[08:59] <TimS> At least look like OSX :P
[08:59] <ScorpKing> TimS: a freind of mine told me linux is crap and vista looks a lot better anyway. lol
[08:59] <Fern> :O
[08:59] <TimS> Bah:P
[08:59] <Fern> But it does
[08:59] <ScorpKing> nope
[08:59] <TimS> Compiz Fusion :D
[08:59] <ScorpKing> lol
[09:00] <lee986321> I have yet to see a windows that alows you to tweak the kernal lol
[09:00] <TimS> Does vista rotate, snow and go 3d at the same time? I think not my friends.
[09:01] <ismakun> what is a good alternative for DreamWeaver in Ubuntu??
[09:01] <Fern> I doubt there is one
[09:01] <Fern> Anyway
[09:01] <Minataku> ScorpKing: You need to hit said friend upside the back of the head
[09:02] <Fern> You should google it. :P
[09:02] <Minataku> Not hurt him, just to make a point
[09:02] <Minataku> lol
[09:02] <ScorpKing> TimS: hehe. i had it look like OSX before the XP and Vista look.
[09:02] <TimS> ismakun: I tend to use Quanta, but NVU might do, also Dreamweaver works under wine
[09:02] <TimS> YOU HAD IT LIKE XP?
[09:02] <TimS> You nutter :P
[09:02] <ScorpKing> hehe
[09:02] <ismakun> Wine runs Dreamweaver well?
[09:03] <senab88> on my laptop, my FN keys work on ubuntu, but since ive moved 2 kubuntu theyve stopped working. was it gnome that made them work?
[09:03] <TimS> Yeah
[09:03] <ScorpKing> Minataku: lol. that won't help at all. he gets a hiding from someone about once a week. :P
[09:04] <Minataku> Heh
[09:04] <Fern> What is a PCI card? O_O
[09:04] <Minataku> I'm sure he's just pissed that he spent $400 on Vista then found out that something else does it better for $0
[09:04] <Fern> Is it a card you insert into the side of your laptop?
[09:05] <TimS> No
[09:05] <TimS> Its the one you put in a PC
[09:05] <Minataku> Fern: No, that's PCMCIA or CardBus
[09:05] <Fern> okay
[09:05] <Minataku> PCI is Peripheral Connection Interface
[09:05] <ScorpKing> ismakun: Dreamweaver can run in linux with wine. Look on the wine website.
[09:05] <Minataku> It's a bus specification implemented in most PCs
[09:05] <Fern> Well I have a Netopia PCMCIA card
[09:05] <Fern> Do you think it's compatible?
[09:06] <Minataku> Though those of recent vintage are moving away from PCI to PCI-E
[09:06] <Minataku> Open up the machine and have a look. It should be very obvious.
[09:06] <Minataku> Though to answer, no
[09:06] <Minataku> PCMCIA/CardBus cards don't go in PCI slots
[09:07] <Fern> The answer to my question?
[09:07] <Minataku> Yes
[09:07] <Minataku> A PCMCIA card is a sealed entity
[09:07] <Minataku> Typically about 0.5cm thick
[09:07] <Fern> My wireless card works fine on Windows. I'm using it now. You think it'll be incompatible with Ubuntu?
[09:08] <Minataku> With a row of holes on one of the narrow ends
[09:08] <doobeh> (about the size of a business card)
[09:08] <Fern> Yes that's what I'm using now
[09:08] <Minataku> Right
[09:08] <Minataku> PCI cards are large, and the chips are exposed
[09:09] <Minataku> You look at it and see the card edge with the pins and a bunch of ICs
[09:09] <Fern> I'm more asking if the make of card is supported by Ubuntu
[09:09] <Minataku> It MIGHT, and it might NOT
[09:09] <Fern> ok
[09:09] <doobeh> "The card is Netopia '3D Reach' model SWL-2300N in front it has 802.11b TER/WPC11N1 I don't know what chipset it has but it worked 'right out of the box' with 6.06."
[09:10] <doobeh> first hit on google-- worth having a search yourself, if you know the model number
[09:10] <TimS> !knetworkmanager
[09:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about knetworkmanager - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:10] <Fern> How can I find out the model number
[09:10] <TimS> Oh
[09:10] <TimS> Humm
[09:10] <TimS> I love this one
[09:10] <TimS> !gusty
[09:10] <ubotu> It is spelt !guTSy :)
[09:10] <doobeh> Fern, you can check in the device manager in windows, it might mention it there-- otherwise you'll have to physically look at the card, the details will be written on it
[09:10] <TimS> !gutsy
[09:10] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[09:11] <doobeh> Is gutsy going to have compiz on by default like ubuntu?
[09:11] <Fern> this is what's written on the back of the card: Netopia
[09:11] <Fern> 3D Reach
[09:11] <TimS> Yeah
[09:11] <Fern> 802.11b/g
[09:12] <doobeh> Looks like it'll work then Fern
[09:12] <TimS> Fern, are you sure it doesnt work#?
[09:12] <Fern> Pretty sure
[09:12] <Fern> I put it in after I booted up Ubuntu and it did nothing
[09:12] <Fern> the lights did not glow at all
[09:12] <TimS> Put it in before.
[09:14] (TimS/#kubuntu) And you dont have filtering on do you
[09:14] (TimS/#kubuntu) ubuntulog: just joined :o
[09:14] (TimS/#kubuntu) mac filtering*
[09:16] <Fern> How do I check to see if I have filtering on?
[09:16] <Fern> brb
[09:18] <TimS> Fern: Its a router setting
[09:21] <CPrgmSwR2> is there other packages to install for kde4-beta other than what kdebase-workspace pulls in?
[09:23] <Skrot-> Hi, does anyone know where to bind keys to increase/decrease the brightness of the screen on a laptop?
[09:24] <emilsedgh> Skrot-: for me its 'fn'+Up/Down arrows
[09:24] <Skrot-> emilsedgh: Used to be for me as well (with feisty), but it doesn't work anymore (gutsy)
[09:24] <Skrot-> Although I am able to change the brightness via the power manager
[09:24] <emilsedgh> Skrot-: so fill a bug report
[09:26] <jussi01> shortcuts | Skrot-
[09:26] <jussi01> !shortcuts | Skrot-
[09:26] <ubotu> Skrot-: keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[09:26] <Fern> Skrot-: What I do to increase and decrease my brightness is I hold down Fn and press F8 to increase brightness and F9 to decrease it.
[09:28] <Skrot-> thanks
[09:29] <chris__> is anyone using the intel xorg driver here?
[09:30] <emilsedgh> chris__: me
[09:30] <emilsedgh> chris__: i have 810 driver
[09:31] <chris__> im using the intel xorg driver and now when i try to play movies using XV theyre over exposed. changing to X11 playback fixes it. I'm sure XV used to work though, any ideas?
[09:39] <jussi01> chris__: are you running compiz/beryl?
[09:39] <chris__> no
[09:39] <Fern> Hmm
[09:39] <jussi01> hmmm, weird
[09:39] <chris__> havent had chance to enable it yet
[09:40] <Fern> Skrot-: Did the brightness thing work for you?
[09:41] <Skrot-> Fern: I can change the brightness via power manager (and dcop), but not with shortcuts. Probably bug :>
[09:41] <Fern> Aw okay
[09:45] <chris__> how do i get rid of the groupware wizard? what package is it under?
[09:45] <massi_> hi
[09:46] <Phlogi>  I can't get cryptsetup-luks to work with a partition on my external hd, i always get an error, you can find all the information here: http://pastebin.ca/737851 thanks for any help!
[09:49] <sub[t] rnl> Phlogi: I think http://de.gentoo-wiki.com/DM-Crypt addresses your error, Phlogi
[09:51] <Phlogi> CONFIG_CRYPTO_MANAGER=y its in my kernel
[09:52] <Azzco> Is ther any program to control the fans in the computer?
[09:57] <envoices> bonsoir
[09:57] <envoices> je suis venu hier
[09:57] <envoices> j'explique mon problme
[09:57] <envoices> je n'arrive pas  installer mon rseau wifi
[09:57] <hydrogen> !fr | envoices
[09:57] <ubotu> envoices: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:57] <envoices> bonsoir
[10:00] <Modders> hello can some help me
[10:00] <Azzco> Don't ask to ask, just ask
[10:00] <Modders> i want to get to the #arklinux chat and cant configure
[10:01] <Modders> oops done it..lol
[10:03] <Modders> anyone in uk?
[10:09] <Fern> About 40 times.
[10:10] <Fern> Ugh
[10:10] <Fern> Wrong tab
[10:15] <jetsaredim> is there a separate package to enable jabber support in pidgin?
[10:17] <Daisuke_Ido> i was under the impression that jabber was built in
[10:17] <jetsaredim> o - hmm
[10:17] <jetsaredim> o wait
[10:17] <jetsaredim> XMPP
[10:17] <jetsaredim> duh
[10:17] <jetsaredim> ok - nm
[10:20] <sadeck> hi all
[10:22] <asfjeiadfe> hello im using amsn 0.97 and when i try to change my image to show theres a contact list, where there are every contact of every msn account who has been used on this pc, how can i avoid amsn to create that list?
[10:22] <asfjeiadfe> im using kubuntu 7.04
[10:27] <CPrgmSwR2> hi
[10:28] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: here.
[10:28] <CPrgmSwR2> okay
[10:28] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: did you get update-manager installed?
[10:28] <CPrgmSwR2> yeah, but the download speed is really slow
[10:28] <CPrgmSwR2> so I am only at 6%
[10:29] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: well, that upgrade to gutsy is really going to pull out some teeth then.. roughly 600-800mb download
[10:29] <CPrgmSwR2> Its really odd because I can download at 600kb/s
[10:29] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: where in the world are you?
[10:29] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: us?
[10:29] <CPrgmSwR2> USA, Texas
[10:30] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: alright, try removing us. from the url in the sources.list file
[10:30] <CPrgmSwR2> okay
[10:30] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: and sudo apt-get update afterwards
[10:30] <__-osh-__> !sound
[10:30] <_StefanS_> !mute
[10:30] <__-osh-__> Ok, so no bot answering.
[10:31] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: prefix the stuff you write me with my handle (_S<tab>)
[10:31] <__-osh-__> _StefanS_: Perhaps you can help? The sound on my box stopped working.
[10:31] <_StefanS_> __-osh-__: uhm maybe? what chipset?
[10:31] <CPrgmSwR2> _StefanS_: okay
[10:32] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: are you updating your sources list?
[10:32] <CPrgmSwR2> _StefanS_: its not exactly working
[10:32] <__-osh-__> _StefanS_: Looking in kmix it seems to be two of them. Via 8237 and an Audigy 2 ZS
[10:32] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: :%s/us.//g inside vi will do the trick
[10:32] <ndrea> sorry, i have a question... i can't access the partition of vista getting this error:
[10:32] <ndrea> hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[10:32] <_StefanS_> __-osh-__: I dont think the audigy works in linux
[10:32] <_StefanS_> ndrea: try as root
[10:33] <__-osh-__> _StefanS_: Ah. Still, the VIA should then. Sounds stopped working just a few days ago...
[10:33] <wrede>  I upgraded kubuntu to gutsy. When I log in with my user, my external monitor is blank. With test user however, whos config files I deleted, the monitor works. Question, which config files do I delete for my user to get the monitor working?
[10:34] <ScorpKing> i've asked this a few time so ince more won't hurt i guess. :P konqueror and most of the kde apps seems to use different dns than firefox and cli apps like apt. what's with that?
[10:34] <ScorpKing> once*
[10:35] <_StefanS_> __-osh-__: it should
[10:35] <wrede> can anyone help?
[10:36] <_StefanS_> wrede: two secs
[10:36] <CPrgmSwR2> _StefanS_: it says update-manager is not a valid package
[10:36] <__-osh-__> _StefanS_: I tried restarting alsa but got nothing. Also tried the alsa_tool but nothing there either. :-/
[10:36] <nosrednaekim> anyone seen BluesKaj?
[10:36] <__-osh-__> wrede: copy xorg.conf to something like xorg.conf.<todays-date> and then remove xorg.conf
[10:37] <__-osh-__> wrede: then do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:37] <__-osh-__> wrede: Might help.
[10:37] <LjL> nosrednaekim: /msg seenserv seen blueskaj
[10:37] <__-osh-__> wrede: or listen to someone in here that knows more about k/ubuntu than me. ;-)
[10:38] <wrede> __-osh-__: Ok, but I think it is a local problem, because it works for the other user
[10:38] <nosrednaekim> well he has seen him...
[10:38] <__-osh-__> wrede: Ahh, Ok, now I read the question properly.
[10:38] <__-osh-__> wrede: My approach might be a bit drastic then.
[10:39] <wrede> __-osh-__: yes :-)
[10:39] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: try sudo apt-cache search update-manager, does it give you anything ?
[10:40] <CPrgmSwR2> _StefanS_: I had to switch back to us.
[10:40] <CPrgmSwR2> now it wants to update a ton of packages
[10:40] <CPrgmSwR2> I am just going to do the manual way
[10:40] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: ok, did you replace all feisty for gutsy ?
[10:41] <__-osh-__> wrede: I'm thinking that perhaps the .Xauthority-file might have something to do with it. But it could probably just as well be any x-related file in .kde
[10:41] <CPrgmSwR2> yes
[10:41] <CPrgmSwR2> _StefanS_: yes
[10:41] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: good
[10:42] <wrede> __-osh-__: ok. cheers, will give it a try
[10:42] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: how is the download speed?
[10:42] <CPrgmSwR2> 40kb/s
[10:42] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: oh my
[10:42] <CPrgmSwR2> yeah
[10:42] <CPrgmSwR2> now its up to 56kb/s
[10:43] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: just using archive.ubuntu.com instead gives me ok speeds
[10:43] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: so that was just what I meant ..
[10:43] <CPrgmSwR2> when I tried to switch to that alot of packages could not be found
[10:44] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: ah well, that might be because feisty-backports, commercial should be removed. Dont think theyre in gutsy
[10:44] <CPrgmSwR2> Oh
[10:44] <_StefanS_> obviously feisty-backports isnt ;)
[10:44] <CPrgmSwR2> what about gutsy-backports though?
[10:45] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: nah, its not really there yet I think
[10:45] <CPrgmSwR2> that may be why
[10:45] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: probably
[10:46] <kowal> some one can help me with bash script?
[10:46] <_StefanS_> kowal: yeS?
[10:46] <CPrgmSwR2> _StefanS_: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ main restricted universe multiverse <-- here is what I have
[10:46] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: should be fine
[10:46] <CPrgmSwR2> oh my gosh
[10:46] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: I can post my sources.list so you can compare
[10:46] <CPrgmSwR2> double the spped
[10:47] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: :D
[10:47] <CPrgmSwR2> 86 kb/s
[10:47] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: actually you should be able to get more than that.. I usually get 900-1300kb/s from archive.ubuntu.com
[10:47] <danny> hello
[10:48] <__-osh-__> ARGH!!! Sound shouldn't be so fscking hard to get working again. :-(
[10:48] <kowal> do you no how write comand for find file modyfi after xxxx & before eee??
[10:49] <CPrgmSwR2> _StefanS_: I think it may be my internet connection
[10:49] <CPrgmSwR2> _StefanS_: I checked it with openoffice and even that is slow
[10:49] <_StefanS_> uhm ok
[10:49] <CPrgmSwR2> _StefanS_: When I was in gentoo I was getting 600kb/s and then some
[10:49] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: sounds odd
[10:50] <CPrgmSwR2> thats better 363kb/s
[10:51] <CPrgmSwR2> now its back down to 50kb/s
[10:51] <CPrgmSwR2> its acting real weird
[10:52] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: maybe you have a duplex issue
[10:52] <CPrgmSwR2> what is a duplex issue?
[10:53] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: well just thinking your lan adapter and switch might not cooperating .. but thats a longshot
[10:54] <CPrgmSwR2> _StefanS_: either that or something is about to go out
[10:54] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: what hardware are you on ?
[10:55] <CPrgmSwR2> A7n8X deluxe motherboard kingston 512 MB memory X 2 maxter 80GB X 2 Radeon 9500 Graphics Card
[10:55] <Daisuke-Ido> one, and only one problem with gutsy thus far...  it broke deluge
[10:56] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: uhm that should be fine
[10:57] <CPrgmSwR2> now I am hitting 118 kb/s
[10:57] <CPrgmSwR2> my connection speed is all over the place
[10:57] <_StefanS_> seems like it
[10:57] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: anyways its faster than before, so I guess you should just have some patience :)
[10:57] <CPrgmSwR2> thats what I am doing
[10:58] <CPrgmSwR2> _StefanS_: when I do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade... well that pull in a bunch of other packages to be upgraded?
[10:58] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: the whole system yes.
[10:59] <CPrgmSwR2> oh my gosh
[10:59] <CPrgmSwR2> I am doing an upgrade first though
[10:59] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: I can paste my sources.list so you have something to compare with
[10:59] <CPrgmSwR2> okay
[11:01] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: actually I dont know if upgrade will work.. I've always used dist-upgrade
[11:01] <CPrgmSwR2> okay will switch to that
[11:02] <CPrgmSwR2> _StefanS_: lol its going to remove kde4
[11:02] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: well doesn't it upgrade it ?
[11:02] <CPrgmSwR2> I guess not
[11:02] <Daisuke-Ido> upgrade kde4 to what?
[11:03] <_StefanS_> Daisuke-Ido: beta 3
[11:03] <Daisuke-Ido> not if it's not in gutsy's repos
[11:03] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: you can always install it later on
[11:03] <Daisuke-Ido> exactly
[11:03] <CPrgmSwR2> yeah I just thought it was odd
[11:04] <_StefanS_> Daisuke-Ido: maybe some dependencies are not fully in place, donno. I have beta 3 that works in gutsy
[11:04] <CPrgmSwR2> wow its going to take 4 hours
[11:04] <Daisuke-Ido> _StefanS_: that would be my guess
[11:05] <CPrgmSwR2> lol 32kb/s wow
[11:06] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: well your internet connection has some temper ;)
[11:06] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: I could snailmail you the cd's quicker :D
[11:06] <CPrgmSwR2> _StefanS_: probably
[11:07] <CPrgmSwR2> _StefanS_: I might as well be paying for dial-up
[11:07] <Angelus> what is kubuntu RC version?
[11:07] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: arh well :)
[11:07] <_StefanS_> Angelus: pre-release of gutsy 7.10
[11:08] <Angelus> pre-release?
[11:08] <Angelus> :s
[11:08] <Angelus> is it complete but?
[11:09] <_StefanS_> Angelus: but it might contain a few bugs
[11:10] <Angelus> ah ok stefan
[11:11] <ubuntuMan> Can anyone tell me how to find my boot drive?
[11:12] <CPrgmSwR2> ubuntuMan: you don't have one because its part of your root drive
[11:13] <rohan> anyone know which package provides the OSD in kubuntu for volume keys ?
[11:13] <ubuntuMan> How do you know that?
[11:13] <rohan> no idea :-/
[11:13] <rohan> because right now on latest gutsy there is no OSD for volume keys
[11:14] <ubuntuMan> CPrgmswr2 How do you know its part of my root drive?
[11:14] <CPrgmSwR2> ubuntuMan: I figured that out when I tried to configure a duel boot between kubuntu and gentoo
[11:14] <ubuntuMan> I have Feisty
[11:14] <ubuntuMan> Sorry I forgot to mention
[11:15] <CPrgmSwR2> ubuntuMan: I am assuming you are refereing to partitions and not hard drivers
[11:15] <ubuntuMan> Yes I lost grub
[11:15] <ubuntuMan> I got an Error 17
[11:15] <CPrgmSwR2> okay
[11:15] <CPrgmSwR2> ubuntuMan: grub is still there
[11:15] <CPrgmSwR2> something else is missing
[11:16] <ubuntuMan> How do I go about getting it back?
[11:16] <CPrgmSwR2> go to cd ~/
[11:16] <CPrgmSwR2> and check for vmlinuz and initrd.img files
[11:17] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: nah, its just /
[11:17] <ubuntuMan> I tired find /boot/grub/stage1 and I got nothing
[11:17] <CPrgmSwR2> oops
[11:17] <CPrgmSwR2> yeah its /
[11:17] <CPrgmSwR2> ubuntuMan: what does ls / give you?
[11:17] <ubuntuMan> find / ?
[11:17] <CPrgmSwR2> # ls .
[11:17] <CPrgmSwR2> oops
[11:17] <CPrgmSwR2> # ls /
[11:17] <_StefanS_> ubuntuMan: do a sudo fdisk -l, and paste that to pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:19] <CPrgmSwR2> ubuntuMan: and then paste the url here
[11:19] <_StefanS_> yep.
[11:19] <ubuntuMan> cpgramswr2 ls / gave me this http://www.pastebin.org/4915
[11:20] <_StefanS_> ubuntuMan: go to /boot and do a find . there, and paste that
[11:20] <ubuntuMan> stefen I got this http://www.pastebin.org/4916
[11:21] <CPrgmSwR2> ubuntuMan: what does # cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:21] <CPrgmSwR2> give you
[11:21] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: I guess you can take that from here, I need to to some work
[11:21] <CPrgmSwR2> k
[11:22] <ubuntuMan> find /boot gave me this http://www.pastebin.org/4918
[11:22] <ubuntuMan> cat /boot/grub/menu.lst no such dir
[11:23] <CPrgmSwR2> ubuntuMan: I guess you are missing grub
[11:23] <CPrgmSwR2> ubuntuMan: sudo apt-get grub
[11:23] <CPrgmSwR2> ubuntuMan: sudo apt-get install grub
[11:23] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: or just update-grub maybe ;)
[11:23] <ubuntuMan> Can I do that from Kubuntu instead of ubuntu?
[11:23] <ubuntuMan> I don't have the feasity disk I installed from
[11:23] <CPrgmSwR2> _StefanS_: will that work because he is missing the entire grub folder?
[11:24] <CPrgmSwR2> ubuntuMan: you should beable to
[11:24] <ubuntuMan> Ok I'll give it a try
[11:24] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: grub-install might be needed, you're right.
[11:25] <ubuntuMan> sudo apt-get install grub says the newest version is already installed
[11:25] <ubuntuMan> stefens sudo grub-install?
[11:26] <CPrgmSwR2> _StefanS_: how do you re-install a package?
[11:27] <ubuntuMan> sudo grub-install gave me this http://www.pastebin.org/4919
[11:29] <ubuntuMan> cprgmswr2 should I do sudo apt-get install grub or sudo install-grub ?
[11:29] <CPrgmSwR2> ubuntuMan: let me just clarify something first
[11:29] <ubuntuMan> Sure
[11:29] <CPrgmSwR2> # ls /boot/grub <-- doesn't give you anything
[11:30] <ttan> sorry, i can't install kde themes..
[11:30] <ubuntuMan> No such files
[11:30] <CPrgmSwR2> and your on fiesty correct?
[11:30] <TimS> Why, whenever I start firefox, does it not auto maticly maximize?
[11:30] <TimS> Its very annoying
[11:30] <ubuntuMan> Correct
[11:31] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: apt-get install grub --reinstall
[11:31] <CPrgmSwR2> ubuntuMan: do what _StefanS_ said
[11:31] <Daisuke-Ido> TimS: bummer
[11:31] <ScorpKing> ttan: need help with themes?
[11:32] <ubuntuMan> YES
[11:32] <Dragnslcr> Daisuke-Ido- laptop arrived today
[11:32] <ubuntuMan> Its working
[11:32] <Daisuke-Ido> Dragnslcr: how goes it so far?
[11:32] <ttan> yes Scorpink
[11:32] <Dragnslcr> Haven't opened it up yet
[11:32] <ttan> king, sorry
[11:32] <Daisuke-Ido> ah
[11:32] <ubuntuMan> I think that will work, I hope
[11:32] <ScorpKing> ttan: explain the problem. :)
[11:32] <CPrgmSwR2> ubuntuMan: grub doewn's just work out of the box
[11:33] <ubuntuMan> Oh, so I'm not done yet?
[11:33] <Dragnslcr> I may just wait until the end of the week when I can upgrade to 7.10 right after I install kubuntu-desktop
[11:33] <CPrgmSwR2> what does # cat /boot/grub/menu.lst give you?
[11:33] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: it actually does on *ubuntu
[11:33] <CPrgmSwR2> oh it does
[11:33] <CPrgmSwR2> oh okay
[11:33] <CPrgmSwR2> ubuntuMan: then you are done
[11:33] <ttan> scorpking, weel, i've just downloaded some themes in the .deb format, installed but i don't really konw where to look to select them..
[11:34] <ubuntuMan> Great thanks guys!
[11:34] <ubuntuMan> You saved my life, well my files anyway
[11:34] <Alamue> I just gotta say that I love Kubuntu, just got everything running. Once I can get Cedega running I am giving up Windows. One question though, is there a performance boost of RAID 0 in Kubuntu?
[11:34] <ScorpKing> ttan: you have the link you downloaded it from?
[11:34] <Dragnslcr> Alamue- (hardware) RAID should be more or less independent of OS
[11:35] <ttan> scorp, from kde-look.org
[11:35] <twixter> hi there, i have had some difficulty upgrading kubuntu 6.10 to 7.04 is this the right channel?
[11:35] <Alamue> Ok, so I should see a decent Sda access time?
[11:35] <ScorpKing> ttan: which one?
[11:36] <ScorpKing> twixter: yes
[11:36] <ttan> mm.. just wait for a second..
[11:36] <_StefanS_> Alamue: you might want to look into noatime mount option aswell
[11:36] <twixter> update manager tells me: Failed to fetch file:/usr/local/mydebs/./Packages.gz File not found
[11:36] <CPrgmSwR2> wow speed boost on download
[11:37] <ttan> scorpking: try this..http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/kooldock?content=50910
[11:37] <CPrgmSwR2> _StefanS_: 637 kb/s now
[11:38] <Alamue> any really good native linux games? RPG or FPS?
[11:38] <ScorpKing> ttan: oh i see. i won't start or can't you find it?
[11:39] <ScorpKing> it*
[11:39] <Dragnslcr> Alamue- I just started playing Battle for Wesnoth. Seems pretty good so far.
[11:39] <ttan> ScorpKing: i've installed but, looked everywhere, couldn't find..
[11:39] <ScorpKing> ttan: press <alt>+<f2> and type kooldock
[11:40] <ttan> ScorpKing: just a second.. i've got to reinstall..
[11:40] <Alamue> Dragnslcr- I will have to check it out, thanks.
[11:40] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: nice
[11:41] <ttan> ScorpKing: damn, it works! :D
[11:42] <ScorpKing> ttan: nice app too. :D
[11:42] <ttan> ScorpKing: next step is this.. http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kore+%26+Leopard+BG+for+Kooldock+%2B+Icons?content=67013
[11:42] <Dragnslcr> Alamue- an RPG I'd suggest avoiding is KQ. It looks like it would be fun, but survival seems to be rather rare in the first few minutes of the game
[11:43] <twixter> ScorpKing: update manager tells me "Failed to fetch file:/usr/local/mydebs/./Packages.gz File not found"
[11:43] <Alamue> ohok,
[11:44] <mel> can anyone do a remote logon and fix my sound on my P105 Satellite S9312 system..
[11:44] <_StefanS_> mel: in a few minutes
[11:44] <Alamue> mel- have you tried opening kmix and making sure everything isn't muted?
[11:44] <ScorpKing> twixter: yeah, i had some trouble with that this weekend. install apache2 and move the local repo to /var/www/ubuntu. add the repo as deb htt://127.0.0.1/ubuntu feisty main in sources.list.
[11:44] <mel> Yes
[11:44] <ScorpKing> http*
[11:44] <digbert> I upgraded to Gutsy last night and I think the developers did a superb job. Thanks for all your hard work!
[11:45] <mel> Will wait for you
[11:45] <mel> Thanks
[11:45] <mel> going to eat dinner brb
[11:45] <Dragnslcr> mel- are you using analog or digital output?
[11:45] <Alamue> is it normal for kubuntu to be constantly updating? seems like the only thing I have been doing is updating.
[11:45] <ScorpKing> ttan: still looking... :)
[11:45] <ttan> ScorpKing: hihi
[11:46] <mel> Not sure I an new to linux..
[11:46] <_StefanS_> Alamue: if youre running gutsy, its a development version
[11:46] <ardchoille> Alamue: Depends on hwat all you have installed
[11:46] <mel> I do not understand the commands yet
[11:46] <Alamue> I have installed 7.04.
[11:46] <ardchoille> Shouldn't have many updates
[11:46] <mel> I have feisty
[11:46] <Dragnslcr> mel- nothing to do with Linux. It's how your speakers are connected to your computer
[11:46] <mel> It's a laptop
[11:47] <Dragnslcr> Normal analog cables, optical cable, coaxial cable
[11:47] <mel> no external speakers
[11:47] <Dragnslcr> Ah, gotcha
[11:47] <ScorpKing> ttan: if you folow the instructions it should be fine. ask if you get stuck.
[11:47] <ScorpKing> follow*
[11:47] <ttan> ScorpKing
[11:47] <ttan> :
[11:47] <ScorpKing> mmm...?
[11:47] <ttan> i'm gonna try now.. thanks
[11:47] <ScorpKing> ok
[11:47] <twixter> ScorpKing: how do I move my local repository? Is that what /usr/local/mydebs/packages.gz is? Note the slightly different path name
[11:48] <mel> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel] , device 0: CONEXANT Analog [CONEXANT Analog] 
[11:48] <mel>   Subdevices: 1/1
[11:48] <mel>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[11:48] <mel> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel] , device 1: Conexant Digital [Conexant Digital] 
[11:48] <mel>   Subdevices: 1/1
[11:48] <mel>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[11:48] <mel> this is my card
[11:49] <ScorpKing> twixter: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptMoveHowto but instead of putting it on a cd put it in /var/www/ubuntu
[11:50] <Dragnslcr> mel- You can try checking alsamixer from a console, see if anything there is muted
[11:50] <davo_> hi
[11:50] <mel> ok brb ggotta eat dinner.. take a few moments..
[11:50] <ScorpKing> twixter: if you have a lot of deb's lying around just copy them to /var/cache/apt/archives and run apt-move. it will sort it out for you.
[11:52] <ScorpKing> twixter: ta make it even easier put /var/www/ubuntu in apt-move.conf instead of /debian/mirrors. when you're done run - sudo chown www-data:www-data -R /var/www/ so apache own the files.
[11:52] <ScorpKing> to*
[11:54] <twixter> ScorpKing: thanks, is there another link to tell me how to "put /var/www/ubuntu in apt-move.conf" ? :-)
[11:55] <ScorpKing> twixter: i can do that. :D kdesu kate /etc/apt-move.conf
[11:56] <twixter> ScorpKing: oh you mean add a line to that file? ok thanks for your help!
[11:56] <ScorpKing> twixter: and change to LOCALDIR=/var/www/ubuntu
[11:56] <ScorpKing> twixter: np. just change it in there.
[11:57] <twixter> ScorpKing: uh which file will have LOCALDIR in it? sorry I'm an extreme newbie
[11:57] <ScorpKing> twixter: run kdesu kate /etc/apt-move.conf
[11:57] <twixter> ScorpKing: oh the same file. thanks very much!
[11:58] <ScorpKing> twixter: you're welcome.
[11:59] <ScorpKing> twixter: on that AptMove HowTo, stop at "mkdir .disk" on that page and you'll be sorted.
[12:00] <ScorpKing> twixter: then add deb http://127.0.0.1/ubuntu main (and others that you have) to /etc/apt/sources.list and run sudo apt-get update.
[12:01] <melkor> So whats the best version of ubuntu to start from right now.
[12:01] <melkor> I've got fiesty fawn 7.04
[12:01] <Dragnslcr> If you're installing a new system, I'd suggest waiting until the end of the week if you can
[12:02] <Dragnslcr> 7.10 is due out on Thursday
[12:02] <melkor> Well I might have too.
[12:02] <melkor> It crashed on the way through once and I don't really know how to setup the partition table
[12:03] <ScorpKing> twixter: you might get a security warning when you install apps from your repo. just select yes and carry on. ;)
[12:03] <hydrogen> what do I use to get data off of a SDHC disk?
[12:04] <ScorpKing> cp? lol
[12:04] <melkor> Is it difficult to add a windows partition after installing linux?
[12:04] <hydrogen> it can't be mounted though..
[12:04] <twixter> ScorpKing: ok I am copying everything you tell me. BTW I have no file /etc/apt-move.conf
[12:04] <Dragnslcr> melkor- if you're doing partitions manually, you'll want three partitions. Depending on your disk size, maybe 10-20 GB for /, 1-2 times your RAM for swap, and the rest for /home
[12:04] <hydrogen> it exists at /dev/sg2
[12:04] <ScorpKing> melkor: you should install windows first.
[12:04] <contrast83> Does anyone know what would cause KNetworkManager to not list any devices? KWifiManager is picking them up without issue.
[12:04] <ScorpKing> twixter: sudo aptitude install apt-move
[12:05] <_StefanS_> contrast83: because networkmanager is not started/installed? :)
[12:05] <contrast83> _StefanS_: Thanks, but no, it's running.
[12:05] <ScorpKing> twixter: that will install apt-move and create that file. follow that howto and the things i said. it works great.
[12:06] <keith> Contrast, the advice that worked for me was to edit /etc/network/interfaces, and comment out (with a #) all the lines having to do with your wireless devices. Then reboot, and KNetworkManager worked for me.
[12:06] <twixter> ScorpKing: ok i'll give it a shot thanks again!
[12:06] <_StefanS_> contrast83: what device?
[12:06] <melkor> How about kde4 is anybody running that yet, or should I wait till its release?
[12:06] <ScorpKing> twixter: np. i'll be here again tomorrow if you have more problems. ;)
[12:07] <contrast83> AIRONET Wireless Communications Cisco Aironet Wireless 802.11b
[12:07] <cbox> hi everyone. can someone help me figure out how to read a bootchart file? there's a lot of data and i'm trying to find out why my pc loads slow! thanks!
[12:07] <contrast83> keith: Thanks, I'll try that.
[12:07] <keith> yw contrast, and best of luck!
[12:07] <bjwebb> can i minimze full screen games?
[12:07] <contrast83> I should point out that it was working fine up until a few days ago (before one of the recent Gutsy updates).
[12:08] <contrast83> And yes, I already asked in #ubuntu+1 and didn't get anything. :-)
[12:08] <ScorpKing> bjwebb: try <alt>+<tab>
[12:08] <mel> Ok I am back
[12:08] <keith> Ah, now I did this on Feisty, so don't know if it'll work in Gutsy.  But make a backup copy of the interfaces file first, and it shouldn't hurt.
[12:08] <bjwebb> ScorpKing: nah it doesn't get through
[12:08] <mel> I can email you the access to my system for remote access..
[12:09] <ScorpKing> bjwebb: no idea then
[12:09] <ScorpKing> nite guys!
[12:09] <contrast83> keith: Of course. :-)   Thanks
[12:09] <CPrompt^> anyone have experience using an image on GRUB?
[12:09] <CPrompt^> I need to make sure I have it pointing to the right section of the hard drive before I reboot  LOL
[12:11] <_StefanS_> mel: I'm back
[12:11] <cbox> hi hi, can someone help me with a small problem?
[12:11] <mel> Me too
[12:11] <_StefanS_> cbox: fire away
[12:12] <keith> I'll try.
[12:12] <contrast83> keith: Awesome, that got it. Thanks a lot!! :-)))
[12:12] <contrast83> keith: FYI, for network-related stuff like that, "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" should work instead of rebooting.
[12:12] <_StefanS_> mel: I sent you my email in a private message
[12:12] <CPrompt^> cbox : better to just ask ;)
[12:12] <mel> sorry can you send it again I closed it on accident
[12:12] <cbox> i just installed Ubuntu here, and im trying to turn this PC into a media centre. i have  everything working ok, but I have 2 main problems. my more immediate one is a super slow boot time
[12:12] <keith> Great, contrast!  I'm delighted it worked.  For me, one of the drivers must have been hung as restarting didn't work. So I gave you the paranoid suggestion :)
[12:13] <bjwebb> :S
[12:13] <bjwebb> no suggestions then?
[12:13] <cbox> i installed bootchart to record boot time, but i havent a clue how to read it!
[12:13] <bjwebb> its really annoying then being stuck fullscreen, windows can minimise stuff like that...
[12:13] <mel> Ok gotit
[12:13] <mel> hold
[12:13] <CPrompt^> cbox : never done anything with making ubuntu a media center
[12:14] <CPrompt^> I am needing to make sure I have the setting correct on a GRUB config.  Here is my menu.lst http://pastebin.com/m44dbeff6
[12:14] <cbox> cprompt: well i have MythTV installed and thats working fine. its the loading of the OS from start thats the problem
[12:14] <keith> bjwebb, you've tried Alt-Tab?  I haven't done much fullscreen gaming, but it does work with System Shock 2.
[12:14] <_StefanS_> cbox: http://www.bootchart.org/docs.html ?
[12:14] <bjwebb> keith: it doesn't work
[12:14] <_StefanS_> cbox: try mythbuntu
[12:14] <bjwebb> ctrl+alt+d doesn't work either
[12:14] <CPrompt^> Can someone tell me if that splashimage section is pointing to the correction section of my linux har drive ?
[12:15] <cbox> mythbuntu is a media centre?
[12:15] <bjwebb> is their a command i can run from virtual terminal?
[12:15] <keith> What's going wrong with loading the OS, cbox?  Incidentally, I'm running myth too, if you have any issues there will try to help.
[12:15] <mel> Ok sent the email
[12:16] <cbox> ok, i';ll check out mythbuntu. but its not the software thats the issue. its the loading of ubuntu from a cold start
[12:16] <keith> No command I know of to minimize another app like that, bjwebb.
[12:16] <cbox> its like 3-5 minutes before I get to the login screen!
[12:16] <mel> StefanS I sent you the email with the command to access my system with the remote software in ubuntu
[12:17] <_StefanS_> cbox: thats probably due to the dhcp timeout on a non-connected lan connection (ie. you're using wireless)
[12:17] <_StefanS_> cbox: can be adjusted in dhclient.conf (timeout=5 or similar)
[12:17] <_StefanS_> mel: okay
[12:17] <melkor> right on it made it through and I have a windows partition
[12:18] <cbox> ok. great! quick question, where is dhclient.conf located?
[12:18] <_StefanS_> mel: mail hasn't arrived yet
[12:18] <keith> cbox, I agree with StefanS. It's been a delay getting an IP address assigned every time I've seen that problem.
[12:18] <mel> I am using wireless as well my boot time is forever cuz ubunto cannot allocate memory for a particular pci card . But I am not sure what card it is..
[12:18] <mel> Ok will send again
[12:19] <cbox> ok im going to modify dhclient.conf right now. just tell me where it is!
[12:19] <melkor> how do I configure x-org so I can set the resolution
[12:19] <keith> cbox: "locate dhclient.conf" in a Konsole session.
[12:19] <_StefanS_> cbox: timeout 30;, change to 5 or similar
[12:19] <_StefanS_> cbox: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[12:20] <_StefanS_> cbox: I believe that should be enought
[12:20] <_StefanS_> enough
[12:21] <cbox> it was already set to 10
[12:21] <waylandbill> !gusty
[12:21] <ubotu> It is spelt !guTSy :)
[12:21] <waylandbill> !gutsy
[12:22] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[12:22] <mel> Ik it sent this time
[12:22] <cbox> so not too far off. would there be another issue?
[12:22] <mel> I entered your email address wrong.. Brain Fart
[12:23] <cbox> and if it
[12:23] <_StefanS_> mel: look at the private message
[12:23] <cbox> and if it's '#', then its not actually excecuted right?
[12:23] <mel> like what it's what the remote software sends out
[12:24] <_StefanS_> cbox: right.
[12:24] <keith> cbox, watch the messages during startup, and you'll see it stop at some point. The last msg shown will give us a hint. Alt-F1 during startup to see the messages.
[12:25] <cbox> ok kieth.i'll check it out. does a bootchart help too or should i just restart?
[12:25] <keith> I'm unfamiliar with bootchart, so don't know.
[12:25] <mel> what do you need to login to my system?
[12:25] <cbox> ok. im going to restart. ill be back. ALT F1 here i come.
[12:25] <keith> good luck!
[12:26] <mel> is there an ipconfig I can type in to find my ip address and info
[12:26] <waylandbill> mel: ifconfig
[12:27] <mel> ok
[12:27] <_StefanS_> mel: the best way is if you can just use your vncviewer to contact my ip-address
[12:27] <CPrompt^> so can anyone help me with this GRUB issue?  my menu.lst -> http://pastebin.com/m44dbeff6
[12:27] <CPrompt^> want to make sure the splashimage section is correct before I reboot :)
[12:27] <waylandbill> mel: that will give you the local workstation's interface address. It will not give a WAN address of a dsl modem or anything like that.
[12:28] <mel> no sure how to do that
[12:28] <_StefanS_> mel: two secs, I will describe what you should do
[12:29] <mel> Ok take your time I really want this t work on my system so patience is needed and paience is what I will give it..
[12:30] <_StefanS_> mel: look at the private message
[12:31] <mel> k
[12:31] <mel> Ok
[12:33] <melkor> There msust be some what to have xorg automatically configure my monitor?
[12:33] <_StefanS_> melkor: dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver should do it
[12:33] <_StefanS_> melkor: else sudo X -configure
[12:34] <melkor> thank you
[12:34] <_StefanS_> melkor: and copy ~/xorg.new to /etc/X11/xorg.conf using sudo
[12:34] <mel> ok I typed in vncviewer YUORIP:0 and hit enter
[12:35] <mel> StefanS did you read my post
[12:36] <_StefanS_> mel: nothing happend it seems
[12:36] <mel> hmmm maybe I need to set my router to give me the DMZ on this IP..
[12:36] <mel> brb
[12:38] <_StefanS_> mel: I really gotta sleep now