[01:25] <cheatr> Could someone help me with a kernel panic error (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=575894)
[01:28] <heartsblood> are there any apps in linux that use light on drives?
[01:28] <heartsblood> er wait no
[01:28] <PovAddict> I tried to download 7.10-rc using jigdo, but I get 88 missing files
[01:29] <heartsblood> lightscribe*
[01:29] <hads> 'lo all. If anyone using Kubuntu would like to confirm a bug in dolphin for me that'd be great. It's bug 152788.
[01:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152788 in dolphin "Dolphin drag and drop targets wrong directory" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/152788
[01:29] <PovAddict> I can't find them on any mirror
[01:30] <PovAddict> but I really dont want to download the whole iso from the beginning considering I'm missing only 88 files out of a few thousand
[01:31] <PovAddict> for example pool/main/h/human-theme/human-theme_0.8_all.deb
[01:33] <cheatr> Could someone help me with a kernel panic error (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=575894)
[01:34] <lee__> what the heck is a kernel panic error?
[01:35] <PovAddict> "kernel failed when trying to panic" :P
[01:35] <cheatr> lee__ I have no idea. Just some error when I try to boot up.
[01:35] <_dan_> cheatr fix your dependency errors first
[01:36] <cheatr> _dan_: I tried doing sudo dpkg --configure -a, but it doesn't work
[01:36] <cheatr> is there anything else I can do?
[01:36] <_dan_> yeah invesitage dependency, fix em per hand
[01:36] <_dan_> after all, this is still beta for a few days :/
[01:36] <lee__> erg
[01:37] <cheatr> _dan_: Yeah, but the update caused hundreds of dependency errors. I can't fix them by hand. Is there any other way?
[01:37] <lee__> lets see waht kindof info i can dig
[01:37] <_dan_> maybe u updated at a bad time, first run apt-get update again && apt-get clean
[01:37] <_dan_> try again
[01:38] <_dan_> if that doenst work, u have t fix em by hand
[01:38] <_dan_> but
[01:38] <cheatr> _dan_: I'm running it now.
[01:38] <_dan_> du a dpkg --confiugre -a and pastebin it
[01:38] <_dan_> maybe error is somewhere else
[01:38] <cheatr> _dan_: I'll do it after the apt-get clean
[01:38] <_dan_> u need to do a dist-upgrade then
[01:39] <lee__> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-302-1 cheatr this links for you
[01:39] <cheatr> Here's the apt-get update && apt-get clean: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40661/
[01:39] <_dan_> that otput i can imagine ;) apt-get dist-upgrade and dpkg --configure will be interresting
[01:40] <_dan_> Failed to fetch http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/pculture.org/miro/linux/repositories/ubuntu/gutsy/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.238.52 80] 
[01:40] <_dan_> that one might not be the optimum :/
[01:41] <_dan_> is that repoof some special app? or normal ubuntu mirror?
[01:41] <cheatr> Here's dpkg --configure -a: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40662/
[01:41] <cheatr> _dan_ that deb line is for miro. I don't know where I got it from
[01:42] <_dan_> apt-get install metacity-common for starters and paste output pls
[01:42] <cheatr> and it won't even let me run dist-upgrade. It says I have to run dpkg --configure -a
[01:42] <PovAddict> that mirror doesn't have gutsy
[01:42] <PovAddict> http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/pculture.org/miro/linux/repositories/ubuntu/
[01:42] <cheatr> root@ubuntu:/# apt-get install metacity-common
[01:42] <cheatr> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[01:42] <cheatr> I'll try removing the mrio line from sources.list and running apt-get update
[01:42] <_dan_> thats a bit f.... up
[01:43] <lee__> It like an over run error in windows
[01:43] <bur[n] er> cheatr: you could run the dpkg --configure it says to
[01:43] <lee__> only they use the term "panic"
[01:43] <cheatr> bur[ner] : I already tried. I posted a link to pastebin that had the output
[01:43] <_dan_> what happens uf u do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[01:44] <cheatr> _dan_: same error as trying to install metacity
[01:44] <cheatr> Just so you know, I'm running all these commands from a live cd that is chrooted to my gutsy install
[01:45] <lee__> if i am wrong some one correct me ok
[01:46] <_dan_> i wonder for example this line
[01:46] <_dan_> Package evolution is not installed.
[01:46] <_dan_> why wouldnt that be installed, u used ubuntu before?
[01:47] <cheatr> _dan_ that's impossible. I use evolution as my email client
[01:47] <_dan_> btw did u use compiz repositoys in feisty?
[01:47] <cheatr> _dan_: I tried out compiz in feisty. I probably never removed the sources.list line
[01:47] <_dan_> trevino or amaranth repos?
[01:47] <PovAddict> I tried to download 7.10-rc using jigdo, but I get 88 missing files, I can't find them on any mirror
[01:47] <PovAddict> but I really dont want to download the whole iso from the beginning considering I'm missing only 88 files out of a few thousand
[01:47] <_dan_> its being said that trevinho repos will mess on upgrade
[01:48] <borovy3488> can you guys help me with editing the time and calendar?
[01:48] <cheatr> _dan_: I have no idea what trevinho repos are
[01:48] <_dan_> can u find out which compiz repo u used?
[01:48] <borovy3488> I click to change the time properties, and it crashes the panel, but eventually shows up again. any ideas?
[01:48] <PovAddict> how can I get the iso download finished?
[01:48] <lee__> grr I hat having asthma...
[01:49] <Ch1ppy> hey, has anyone else had trouble with Firefox/Firebug?
[01:49] <PovAddict> jigdo seems to add some metadata, I tried to load the .tmp into bittorrent hoping it would redownload only missing pieces, but it said none of the pieces matched
[01:49] <lee__> ?
[01:49] <lee__> wahts the fire bug?
[01:49] <PovAddict> firebug is an addon, lee
[01:49] <Ch1ppy> Firebug, it's an extension
[01:49] <Ch1ppy> yeah
[01:49] <Vadi> Hello. If I upgrade to beta now, and when gutsy is officially released, will I need to do any more upgrades?
[01:49] <PovAddict> and it hasn't caused me any trouble btw, it just helped me solve hundreds of problems on my webpages :)
[01:49] <Ch1ppy> odd
[01:49] <lee__> hmm havnt messed with fire fox
[01:49] <PovAddict> actually...duh
[01:50] <PovAddict> I have the wrong torrent
[01:50] <Ch1ppy> Firefox wouldn't start when I updated, so I removed my settings and it started
[01:50] <Ch1ppy> then I installed firebug, restarted firefox
[01:50] <Ch1ppy> and it segfaulted
[01:50] <borovy3488> how do I edit the time settings in gutsy
[01:50] <lee__> saved for the time LiMaO helped me with it
[01:50] <Vadi> Anyone?
[01:51] <lee__> borovy3488 right click on the clock
[01:51] <billytwowilly> and software raid gurus here? I have a raid 5 array that has 4 300 GB hard drives in it and I want to replace them with 4 500 GB drives. I think I can do this with the grow command by pulling out one hard drive at a time and rebuilding the array on 300 GB partitions on the 500 GB drives, then growing the reiserfs partition, but I'm not sure how exactly to do this..
[01:51] <PovAddict> Vadi: most probably you will need to do upgrades, yeah... a few things would be fixed between beta and official release
[01:51] <_dan_> cheatr whats dpkg -l|grep evo, see if u can find the volution binary /usr/bin   this is a weird error
[01:51] <Vadi> But it won't be the same as from fiesty to gutsy, right?
[01:51] <lee__> and adjust date an time
[01:51] <lee__> or,,sync it with the net
[01:51] <PovAddict> Vadi: hell no
[01:51] <borovy3488> lee__: I do, but it crashes the panel, and restarts it. Maybe a locale problem?
[01:52] <PovAddict> just a few packages with minor fixes
[01:52] <Vadi> Right, okay. Thank you
[01:52] <borovy3488> lee___: how do I make sure there are no packages missing in my upgrade again?  Do you know?
[01:52] <lee__> Ouch,  that is out of me league
[01:53] <lee__> eh LiMAo any ideas?
[01:53] <borovy3488> lee__: could I just run the sudo upgrade command to make sure all the install packages are there?
[01:54] <lee__> borovy3488 you can try it but, I don't know if it will help..tht is the first I have heard of that..but make sure you rport the bug, the team needs to know aht
[01:54] <borovy3488> lee__: ok
[01:55] <lee__> I am running Kubntu 64 bit
[01:55] <borovy3488> lee__: what is the upgrade command again?
[01:56] <lee__> borovy3488  sudo updat-manager -d
[01:56] <lee__> that is if your running unbuntu
[01:56] <lee__> I am not sure aht it is for anything els may its the same
[01:56] <borovy3488> if I run that, will it just search for packages that I don't already have?  Yes, I'm running ubuntu
[01:57] <lee__> there sould be an I con that comes up that should say upgrade..unless you already loaded it
[01:57] <lee__> you do need to up date though to get the upgrade
[01:58] <borovy3488> lee__: ok, thanks for the help man
[01:59] <lee__> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc borovy3488
[01:59] <lee__> tahts where oyu can down load the ISo
[01:59] <lee__> borovy3488 do you know if your running a 64 bit processor or not?
[02:00] <borovy3488> nope, good ole intel
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> intel is 64 bit now too..
[02:00] <PovAddict> intel makes 64bit processors too 
[02:00] <lee__> I have an intel aswell, and its a 64 bit
[02:00] <borovy3488> ok, no its i386 or whatever, its one of the old one's
[02:01] <lee__> ehI have an EMT64 or something like that
[02:01] <lee__> ooh
[02:01] <lee__> oooooohhh old one lol I got ya lol
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> I think EMT64 is the same as AMD64.
[02:01] <PovAddict> 33mhz
[02:02] <lee__> I think so, all I know is Iam running it lol
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> lol
[02:02] <lee__> grpahics have been extremly stabel
[02:02] <lee__> oh wait, I  havnt maxed it out with the functions thoough in kubuntu
[02:02] <borovy3488> ok, i think you guys have been misunderstanding my question.
[02:03] <borovy3488> I am in Gutsy right now.  The only problem that I have is that my time is incorrect and it wont let me edit it.
[02:03] <borovy3488> I think I'm missing a package or something
[02:05] <borovy3488> is there a command I can run that shows me if I have missed a package during the install?
[02:05] <borovy3488> cause there were a few errors, like locale and things like that
[02:05] <borovy3488> someone on here has told me the command before but I forgot it
[02:06] <PovAddict> change the date from the command line
[02:06] <lee__> hm ok I just initiated my windows translucencely
[02:06] <PovAddict> man date
[02:07] <lee__> say hopw do we get the clock of 24 hour AKA Millitlary type time
[02:07] <lee__> in kubuntu
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> lee__: simple...right click the colck
[02:07] <borovy3488> yes, but I also want to be able to see my calendar and things as well.  I actually use that stuff, which kinda sucks
[02:07] <lee__> yeah I did that part lol
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> dateand time format
[02:07] <PovAddict> borovy3488: type 'cal' on the shell
[02:07] <PovAddict> xD
[02:08] <lee__> Oh duh is me...crosses his eyes
[02:08] <borovy3488> what will that do, PovAddict
[02:08] <orionr> anyone get desktop effects to work on a computer with an ATI card?
[02:08] <PovAddict> borovy3488: show you the calendar
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> oh... its not there..
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> orionr: yup
[02:08] <lee__> tahts wierd it didnt chage it
[02:08] <borovy3488> PovAddict: but it is wrong.
[02:08] <lee__> its still saying 17 :08
[02:08] <orionr> nosrednaekim: did you have to change anything for it to work?
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> orionr: you have to install XGL
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> and the proprietary drivers
[02:09] <defishguy> Hi.  Has anyone gotten the ipod touch to work with Gutsy yet?
[02:10] <orionr> nosrednaekim: how do i do that? do you know what page i need?
[02:10] <orionr> norednaekim: i did apt-cache search glx but idk which one i need
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> !compiz
[02:10] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:10] <borovy3488> can anyone give me the upgrade command, so I can see if I am missing any packages?
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[02:10] <jimmacdonald> borovy3488: supo apt-get upgrade
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> lee__: huh...I can't find it.
[02:11] <cheatr> _dan_: dpkg -l | grep evo does indeed show that I have evolution installed.
[02:11] <cheatr> iHR evolution                                  2.11.92-0ubuntu1                      groupware suite with mail client and organiz
[02:11] <borovy3488> jimmacdonald: thanks, I guess I was wrong. Not missing any packages
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> lee__: AH! in time format...change it to "pH:MM...etc"
[02:12] <borovy3488> I can't edit time and date, anyone have any suggestions? When I try to, it crashes my panel.
[02:12] <lee__> did that lol
[02:12] <_dan_> cheatr i suggest to boot an old kernel and not use life cd, just to be sure
[02:12] <lee__> eh loggigng brb
[02:12] <lee__> see if that changes it
[02:13] <cheatr> _dan_: If i boot an old kernel, the login screen doesn't load. I get a colored background and a loading cursor.
[02:13] <Colro> I'm sitting here with only firefox, pidgin, and xchat open and my cpu is sitting at 100% usage -- my computer seems to run fairly slow with ubuntu gutsy as compared to winXP as well...is there anything that could be causing this? it's entirely usable, and desktop effects run on full without even a bit of slowdown, but it's kind of annoying
[02:13] <_dan_> cheatr but u cans witch to console right?
[02:13] <cheatr> _dan_: yeah
[02:14] <tesko> im getting a ton of errors from running pidgin through console
[02:14] <_dan_> try dpkg --configure -a there and see if it has the same error, but thats just a wild guess, i have no clue what could have caused your error, did u interrupt the upgrade process somehow?
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> Colro: run "top" in a terminal
[02:14] <lee__> ahh tha twas the trick
[02:14] <cheatr> _dan_: Also, if I do ls /usr/bin | grep evo, I can see the evolution binary
[02:14] <lee__> ok you cant find what?
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> lee__: ah...cool
[02:15] <jimmacdonald> borovy3488: did you try  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade?
[02:15] <Colro> norednaekim: want to join a different channel so that i can paste you the results without spamming the channel?
[02:15] <_dan_> cheatr ok so we need to find out why apt thinks its not installed
[02:15] <borovy3488> jimmacdonald: yea I tried both, with the same result
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> !paste | Colro
[02:15] <ubotu> Colro: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:16] <jimmacdonald> borovy3488: what makes you think your missing packages?
[02:16] <lee__> yeah i had to log out and log back in
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> Colro: what is the "top" process? trackerd?
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> lee__: thats what an annoying little pop-up told me
[02:16] <Colro> nautilus
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> Colro: 0.o
[02:17] <borovy3488> jimmacdonald: I can't edit the time and date.  at all.  when I click it, it crashes my panel.
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> ok...pastebin it.
[02:17] <Colro> my thoughts exactly =|
[02:17] <lee__> that i don't know
[02:17] <Colro> 1 second.
[02:17] <lee__> i am new to his too
[02:17] <jimmacdonald> your running the beta?
[02:17] <Colro> nosrednaekim: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40666/
[02:18] <borovy3488> jimmacdonald: yea, I'm running the release candidate
[02:19] <jimmacdonald> did you do a dist upgrade or a new install?
[02:19] <borovy3488> dist upgrade
[02:19] <jimmacdonald> what repository are you connected to in update-manager?
[02:20] <lee__> oh youl love this...it means that you ordered the cd instead of down loading it .....eh..
[02:20] <lee__> did you key in infow?
[02:20] <borovy3488> i'm not sure.  I just ran the command, and followed the prompts on screen
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> Colro: do you have a file manager window upen?
[02:20] <lee__> http://www.ubuntu.com/search/node/%22top%22+process%3F+trackerd%3F
[02:20] <Colro> norednaekim: No.
[02:20] <jimmacdonald> are you using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[02:21] <lee__> at least that is what this is telling me
[02:21] <borovy3488> ubuntu
[02:21] <lee__> Me? i am using kubutu
[02:21] <NeoGeo64> heh
[02:21] <borovy3488> jimmacdonald: I'm using ubuntu
[02:21] <DanaG> Is there a way to force gnome-power-manager, or xorg, to think I'm idle?
[02:21] <lee__> erg
[02:21] <lee__> ill get yoy to the sight
[02:22] <WorkingOnWise> Does running compiz signifficantly degrade virtualbox vm performance?
[02:23] <lee__> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing go with the beta fewer bugs
[02:23] <lee__> or
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> Colro: ah..ok, run, from the terminal "killall nautilus"
[02:23] <jimmacdonald> borovy3488: go to system>administration>synaptic package manager
[02:23] <borovy3488> jimmacdonald: k, im there
[02:24] <lee__> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu
[02:24] <lee__> this link will give yo fiesty
[02:24] <Colro> norednaekim: well, that helped I suppose, but my CPU usage jumped right back up to 100% already
[02:24] <Colro> norednaekim: trackerd is at the top this time though.
[02:24] <lee__> from the sounds of things go with fiesty lol
[02:25] <jimmacdonald> borovy3488: when that opens click on settings>repositories and tell me what it says for Download From:
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> Colro: ah...
 is  the stable one for sure
[02:25] <lee__> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu
[02:26] <borovy3488> jimmacdonald: Server for the United States
[02:26] <lee__> i just got lucky thats all
[02:26] <jimmacdonald> borovy3488: change it to main server.
[02:26] <borovy3488> jimmacdonald: OK, then what?
[02:26] <jimmacdonald> borovy3488: it may be that you got a bad package and they have already updated the main server and it just hasn't flowed out to the mirror's yet.
[02:26] <lee__> download and burn th iso
[02:27] <jimmacdonald> borovy3488: once you do that... click on close then update again.
[02:27] <borovy3488> ok
[02:27] <lee__> oh sorry
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> Colro: well if you don'tlike tracker,there is a way to disable it.
[02:28] <Colro> nosrednaekim: to be honest, I don't even know what it is other then the fact that it's apparently eating my cpu time alive with bbq sauce on top
[02:28] <Konam> Tracker doesn't work fine here for sure
[02:28] <lee__> oh isnt traker the thing that tracks the packages you use/?
[02:28] <borovy3488> jimmacdonald: it still didn't install anything.
[02:28] <Konam> but here isn't a performance thing
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> Colro: lol... its the desktop search feature
[02:28] <lee__> ah
[02:28] <lee__> eh i dont have that lol
[02:28] <Colro> why the hell is it using so much cpu time when I'm not searching for anything?
[02:28] <jimmacdonald> have you reboot?
[02:28] <Konam> hey, am I the only one getting blurry icons in the menus? at 1024x768 resolution
[02:29] <jimmacdonald> s/reboot/rebooted?
[02:29] <UnluckyMike> anyone using gutsy with a rt61 wireless chipset?
[02:29] <savvas> borovy3488: before rebooting, if I may suggest something: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install --reinstall gnome-panel
[02:29] <jimmacdonald> savvas: good call. thank you.
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> UnluckyMike: been hearing some bad reports on that
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> Colro: its indexing your home directory
[02:30] <savvas> jimmacdonald: time-admin is part of gnome-panel I think, that's why I asked him to do that :)
[02:30] <CheeseGardener> in CCSM, where is the setting that makes a window maximise when you double click the title bar, rather than rolling up???
[02:31] <WorkingOnWise> UnluckyMike: My Averatec laptop came with that card. After 2 days of no joy, I found a card fully supported by MadWiFi and boought it.
[02:31] <jimmacdonald> savvas: understand... just trying to get the obvious out of the way first.
[02:31] <UnluckyMike> nosrednaekim, yeah it's weird. It has never 100% worked, i usually just have to edit the network interfaces by hand. It appears to work now, it just changes the saved password at reboot.
[02:31] <WorkingOnWise> UnluckyMike: rt61 is real unstable.
[02:31] <borovy3488> savvas: i did those, now im rebooting
[02:32] <UnluckyMike> WorkingOnWise, my rt61 has always worked I just have to use the old iwpriv to configure
[02:32] <lee__> say is there an actual USB keyboard..eh not the kind that you type with but the kind that you play music wiht?
[02:32] <CheeseGardener> where is the setting in CCSM to make a window maximise when you double click it?
[02:32] <lee__> because this zysynth is pretty dasrn good
[02:32] <borovy3488> OK, I'm back. it says that the gnome panel couldn't be downloaded
[02:33] <WorkingOnWise> UnluckyMike: thats cool. I had no joy and couldn't find any solid help. Where were u 3 weeks ago man!? :)
[02:33] <UnluckyMike> does anyone have any idea why network manager is changing my wpa password at reboot?
[02:34] <borovy3488> savvas: it wouldn't let me download the gnome-panel
[02:34] <UnluckyMike> WorkingOnWise, I've been around I try to help with the rt61 issues when I can
[02:34] <borovy3488> savvas: said "it cannot be downloaded"
[02:35] <DanaG> Changing wpa passphrase?
[02:35] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps it can't connect, and is suggesting that the key is wrong.
[02:35] <DanaG> Even if that's not the cause.
[02:36] <UnluckyMike> DanaG, It's connected right now, just when it reboots it changes the password, the only reason I can tell is it won't connect, and it has like a 25 key pass phrase instead of the normal passphrase
[02:37] <umer> hey guys, i've got a question, i just installed gutsy today, switching over from windows, and its the best version of ubuntu thus far, i am impressed and will stick around, if i can get this problem fixed. ive got a ho dv2213ca laptop, i think the sound card is a conexant, but i cant get sound to work
[02:38] <jimmacdonald> borovy3488: hand on a sec...
[02:38] <savvas> jimmacdonald: he left, meh
[02:39] <jimmacdonald> hehe... I have joins turned off.
[02:39] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps check the options for "encryption type" -- i.e. AES-CCMP or TKIP.
[02:39] <savvas> and i was browsing the packages for gnome-panel :\ http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/gnome/gnome-panel
[02:39] <jimmacdonald> savvas: could have been a problem with gnome-panel-data as well.
[02:40] <savvas> true, very true
[02:40] <khatahn> is there detailed information somewhere with what kinds of systems compiz is installed/enabled by default?
[02:40] <jimmacdonald> savvas: that's what took me so long to answer I wanted to see the other packages that tied in.
[02:41] <UnluckyMike> DanaG, it doesn't have that option in the network manager, i think it is a driver thing. It has the option in the network manager applet, but It was doing the same thing in the applet
[02:41] <riotkittie> exit
[02:41] <riotkittie> oops
[02:44] <WorkingOnWise> Does running compiz signifficantly degrade virtualbox vm performance?
[02:44] <DanaG> Hmm, I haven't noticed any slowdown.
[02:44] <DanaG> However, I have been having the unrelated issues of Virtualbox eating CPU and sometimes randomly aborting,
[02:44] <DanaG> .
[02:44] <Audriil> I was redirected here; does someone know how to dist-upg to gutsy from kubuntu fiesty fawn?
[02:45] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: Thanks for that. AFAIK, we must tolerate a bit of instability till Gutsy goes live?
[02:46] <Audriil> Does someone know how to dist-upg to gutsy from kubuntu fiesty fawn?
[02:46] <LjL> Audriil: i think do-release-upgrade is the official way, but it failed for me.
[02:46] <DanaG> Well, development versions are "your mileage may vary."
[02:47] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: Have you had issues with the vm, XP guest, hanging on bootup?
[02:47] <lee__> well any one here tried any of the games?
[02:47] <DanaG> If you'd rather quote ads for non-car stuff, you could say "Results not typical."
[02:47] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG:  I like a bit-o-blood with my clock cycles... :)
 Thanks
[02:48] <DanaG> Oh yeah, my XP VM does often hang at start, and require 4 or 5 times of 'killall -9 VirtualBox'  and then restarting the VM.
[02:48] <DanaG> If I look in dmesg on the host, I'll see "General Protection Fault" in vboxdrv.
[02:48] <kingrayray> hey uh, i just updated and after a reboot my X is alllll messed up. cant get above 640x480
[02:48] <kingrayray> i have a geforce 6200 and the "low graphics mode" configure box seems to think i have a 6800.
[02:49] <kingrayray> i checked xorg.conf and everything checks out
 funny:
[02:49] <Audriil> audriil@kubuntu-box:~$ do-release-upgrade
[02:49] <Audriil> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[02:49] <Audriil> No new release found
[02:49] <kingrayray> anybody seen that happen?
[02:49] <LjL> Audriil: read the link that was given you... :)
[02:50] <savvas> DanaG: #vbox ?
[02:50] <lee__> Audrill how did yo get that e-mail adress?
[02:50] <lee__> oh duh never mind
[02:51] <lee__> that reminds me how do we configure the message mannage for msn?
[02:51] <lee__> or is it the sameas hotmail?
[02:51] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: It seems that the vm boot more reliably if I keep the vm in focus til it gets to the login screen.
 I'm doing that now; It's just funny.  Over six months of work put into Gutsy... and it's not found...
[02:51] <LjL> Audriil, there's an option you have to give to that command.
[02:52] <jimmacdonald> is there a package I can install to allow the music player to understand .wma files?
[02:52] <lee__> yes
[02:52] <UnluckyMike> Audriil, i think you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change all the feisty's to gutsy and run update manager
 Ahh
[02:53] <jimmacdonald> lee__: what's the name of it?
 Well, it's dling now, soo...
[02:53] <lee__> but i can't rember what it it is...you have to set yo fetcher to locate sipported and non suported things
[02:53] <lee__> erg i cant remebr the nae off the top of my head
[02:54] <lee__> and its dowloading a rather large file atm
[02:54] <jimmacdonald> !restricted
[02:54] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:54] <lee__> oh there yo go lol
[02:55] <savvas> also ubuntu-restricted-extras :P
[02:55] <lee__> up in the box  for the search key in .wma
[02:55] <lee__> make sure that your in the view all
[02:57] <DanaG> Oh yeah, one thing I do with Virtualbox:
[02:57] <DanaG> I use Windowblinds with the Dogmax2a skin (the white-flag version).
[02:57] <DanaG> That way, instead of having a poor attempt at matching Windows to Linux, I have Windows look visually distinct, yet still very nice.
[02:58] <lee__> arthee any good 3d games that work with linux ?
[02:58] <lee__> out of the box that is
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> lee__: oh yeah... try bzflag.
[02:58] <kingrayray> seriously, anybody having any X issues after updates? :(
[02:59] <kingrayray> my "bulletproof x" seems to be rather wounded.
[02:59] <lee__> hm thats in the program thingy?
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> lee__: yup
[02:59] <lee__> eh in the fetcher?
[02:59] <lee__> ok
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> fetcher?
[02:59] <lee__> it dlin atm lol
[03:00] <lee__> hmm this flight sim  will be intersting to see
[03:00] <lee__> wahts bzflag about?
[03:00] <kingrayray> its a tank game
[03:00] <kingrayray> pretty fun
[03:00] <lee__> ok
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> yeah..flightgear is very nice
[03:01] <lee__> yeah iam looking to put his thin trhough its paces now tha i am on 64 bit
[03:02] <lee__> flight gear is the one i down loaded lol
[03:02] <lee__> nothing like a good game to see if you can break the system
[03:02] <kingrayray> try Quake 4
[03:02] <kingrayray> lol
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> lee__: do you have good 3d acceleration?
[03:03] <lee__> quake 4/
[03:03] <lee__> yes
[03:03] <lee__> 128 mega btes worth of good
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:03] <lee__> well kinda its ati
[03:03] <kingrayray> owww
[03:03] <lee__> x300
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> lee__: did you install the drivers?
[03:04] <kingrayray> wow, i really wish i hadn't updated
[03:04] <lee__> so far Iam handling the grapics that I have set up pretty well
[03:04] <kingrayray> 800x600 is a useless resolution
[03:04] <lee__> no
[03:04] <lee__> I treid it an it killed my machine lol
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> kingrayray: did you try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[03:04] <kingrayray> yes
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> lee__: then you don't have very good 3d acceleration.
[03:05] <kingrayray> im not new to fixing X, that's why i'm so frustrated
[03:05] <kingrayray> xorg.conf checks out fine
[03:05] <lee__> grr
[03:05] <kingrayray> module's loaded
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> kingrayray: yeah... i've heard the new "tool" is sometimes a major pain.
[03:05] <lee__> well I have my system working ok atm lol
[03:05] <kingrayray> i just booted up and it destroyed everything
[03:05] <lee__> ouch'
[03:05] <kingrayray> although at 800x600 compiz is really fast
[03:06] <kingrayray> everything works, i just cant get my native 1600x1200
[03:06] <lee__> when the stable release comes out then Ill try the drivers
[03:06] <lee__> I have the ati drivers bt after i loaded it I got a black screen
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> kingrayray: humm do you have your video card's drivers installed?
[03:06] <kingrayray> yeah
[03:06] <kingrayray> nvidia
[03:06] <lee__> on unbuntu, It ws only regestring 32 of 128
[03:06] <kingrayray> and i have acceleratoin and everything
[03:06] <jdrake> I gave NetworkManager a restart command, and it worked to fix it so it would connect to my wireless after a sleep. But now it is taking 100% cpu (approx.) and it did this last night as well. Any ideas on what is causing this?
[03:07] <lee__> and gutsy really messed up
[03:07] <kingrayray> just no resolutions, i'm thinking its a monitor issue
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> kingrayray: odd odd...can you just uninstall the stupid bullet-proof X?
[03:07] <lee__> so should I enable the card or not?
[03:07] <kingrayray> i'd love to just roll back to my packages from a few hours ago
[03:07] <lee__> and if so how do I recover form the blod
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> lee__: use the restricted-manager
[03:08] <lee__> ??
[03:08] <fryguy> I installed the compiz control panel and emerald, and now emerald is taking over window decoration for me.  How can I make metacity be my window manager again?
[03:08] <lee__> tht means don touch right lol
[03:08] <kingrayray> lee__: no, its a program to manage drivers
[03:08] <joshjosh> fryguy, Alt+F2 then type metacity --replace
[03:08] <lee__> ok
[03:08] <kingrayray> lee_: run restricted-manager
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> but that will get rid of compiz I think..
[03:09] <kingrayray> from a terminal or run command dialog
[03:09] <kingrayray> nosrednaekim: shouldn't
[03:09] <kingrayray> or you can try um
[03:09] <lee__> so instead of loading the ati drivers i have, let it load load its own?
[03:09] <kingrayray> what is it.. gtk-window-manager or something?
[03:09] <kingrayray> no, gtk-window-decorator.
[03:09] <fryguy> joshjosh: will this stay in effect for future sessions now?
[03:09] <lee__> when I clcik on the card
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> lee__:  yeah.
[03:09] <joshjosh> fryguy, Not sure. I haven't done it before. But that command should work. You could add it to your sessions.
[03:10] <fryguy> joshjosh: the command did work, I'll look into session management some more, thanks
[03:10] <joshjosh> fryguy, Not a problem!
[03:10] <lee__> its saying ati
[03:10] <lee__> and then flgrx
[03:11] <lee__> going to ad min mode
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> lee__: ok.... enable it.
[03:12] <lee__> eh I think its already in enable, its says at 256 meg
[03:12] <lee__> greyed though
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> greyed?
[03:13] <gentoon> Can someone help me upgrade from fiesty please?
[03:13] <Viking667> hello all. I'm on Kubuntu feisty, how do I enable adept to upgrade to gutsy? (I clicked on "Full Upgrade", but that didn't seem to do anything much.
[03:14] <fryguy> hrmm, metacity --replace removes all of the compiz effects as well.  I was using compiz + metacity fine, and then I restarted X and now it uses emerald + compiz and I can't get back to metacity + compiz.  Any ideas
[03:14] <lee__> yeah the in fact its saying standard or propietary and taht all geyed
[03:14] <joshjosh> Viking667, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52
[03:15] <lee__> its already enabled
[03:15] <Viking667> thank you. I'll look that up
[03:15] <joshjosh> fryguy, hmm. that's strange.
[03:15] <joshjosh> fryguy, Is compiz in your sessions?
[03:15] <lee__> oh wait
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> Viking667: the most stable way is from the command line
[03:15] <fryguy> joshjosh: yes
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> Viking667: the adept updater seems to be pretty broken by all accounts
[03:17] <philip_> I need to install the Java Runtime Environment...which package should I install?
[03:18] <Viking667> nosrednaekim: sounds like "apt-get dist-update" again?
[03:18] <lee__> eh iam not sure waht to think of all this...try to find my driver main icon thingy
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> Viking667: pretty much :)
[03:18] <joshjosh> i'm installed kubuntu RC1...but can't get flash to work. I've downloaded the kubuntu restricted packages. And i've also tried installing flashplugin-nonfree via terminal, and I still get no flash. Anyone have any idea what the problem is?
[03:18] <lee__> aside from hte one in the settings
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> joshjosh: hmmm worked for me..
[03:19] <joshjosh> ok. i see the problem. the website i'm trying to use is using flash 9. I must have an earlier version.
[03:19] <Viking667> thank you. Darn.
[03:20] <savvas> joshjosh: flashplugin-nonfree gives you the latest flash 9
[03:20] <joshjosh> hmm
[03:20] <savvas> joshjosh: did you restart your browser? 32-bit or 64-bit?
[03:20] <joshjosh> 32 bit.
[03:20] <joshjosh> yes i restarted
[03:21] <joshjosh> i can watch youtube videos, but can't watch this website. it says i require flash 9
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> joshjosh: are you using firefox or konqueror?
[03:21] <joshjosh> firefox
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> joshjosh: oh.. you can watch youtube?
[03:21] <joshjosh> yes.
[03:21] <savvas> joshjosh: in the browser address bar type this: about:plugins
[03:21] <savvas> it will give you info about the plugin, loaded or not
[03:22] <joshjosh> it's 9.0 r48 and it's enabled.
[03:22] <joshjosh> I could view thsi website on my last install. this is wacky.
[03:22] <lee__> eh I thinks its already configured
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> joshjosh: did you try konqueror?
[03:23] <joshjosh> doesn't work for konq either
[03:24] <fryguy> when I restart x though it comes up with the wrong decorator again though
[03:24] <joshjosh> i'm going to remove it and reinstall.
[03:25] <joshjosh> the website i'm trying to use it http://www.justin.tv
[03:26] <DanaG> Oh yeah, now Compiz defaults to Emerald.
[03:26] <joshjosh> ok. i got it working. thanks guys
[03:26] <DanaG> What I did to change that: sudo chmod -x /usr/bin/emerald
[03:26] <DanaG> Makes emerald not executable, and thus not used.
[03:27] <Colro> is the virtualbox in gutsy's repos broken?
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> joshjosh: NP
[03:27] <Colro> Ss the virtualbox in gutsy's repos broken? I keep getting this error when I try to boot virtual machines: " VirtualBox kernel driver not installed. The vboxdrv kernel module was either not loaded or /dev/vboxdrv was not created for some reason. Re-setup the kernel module by executing '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' as root. "
[03:28] <DanaG> sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[03:28] <Colro> I tried that, command not found
[03:28] <DanaG> Odd.
[03:28] <DanaG> I just installed the non-OSE version from the Feisty deb on their web site.
[03:29] <savvas> Colro: sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[03:29] <DanaG> Oh yeah, do dpkg --list-files virtualbox-ose
[03:29] <DanaG> See if it's missing.
[03:29] <Colro> savvas: command isn't found
[03:29] <Colro> alright, will do
[03:29] <Colro> 1 minute
[03:30] <savvas>  * Usage: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv {start|stop|restart|status|setup}
[03:30] <savvas> :p
[03:30] <savvas> Colro: virtualbox-ose or virtualbox ?
[03:31] <Colro> ose
[03:31] <savvas> maybe that's why
[03:31] <savvas> the open source edition has some "cut-backs"
[03:37] <BHSPitMonkey> hey guys
[03:37] <BHSPitMonkey> I'm doing a feisty to gutsy upgrade right now via update-manager -c -d
[03:37] <SoBoredLol> how do i recompile my terminal?
[03:37] <BHSPitMonkey> it keeps saying x package could not be installed
[03:37] <savvas> BHSPitMonkey: update-manager -d
[03:37] <SoBoredLol> kernel*
[03:38] <savvas> BHSPitMonkey: you then click check and after that you upgrade to gutsy
[03:38] <Hegemon> need hellp
[03:38] <BHSPitMonkey> savvas, indeed
[03:38] <BHSPitMonkey> among the packages it says it could not install are baseutils, bash, adduser, passwd, ...
[03:38] <Hegemon> trying to install gutsy
[03:38] <SoBoredLol> how do i recompile my kernel/mouse driver?????
[03:39] <BHSPitMonkey> they say "dependency problems - leaving unconfigured"
[03:39] <Hegemon> but it keeps saying
[03:39] <Hegemon> "Failed to fetch http://wine.lowvoice.nl/apt/dists/feisty/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'wine.lowvoice.nl'
[03:39] <Hegemon> Failed to fetch http://wine.lowvoice.nl/apt/dists/feisty/main/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2 Could not resolve 'wine.lowvoice.nl'
[03:39] <Hegemon> Failed to fetch http://wine.lowvoice.nl/apt/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Could not resolve 'wine.lowvoice.nl'
[03:39] <Hegemon> "
[03:39] <savvas> BHSPitMonkey: yeah, but try without -c
[03:39] <BHSPitMonkey> savvas, what does -c do?
[03:39] <BHSPitMonkey> it's not in the manpage
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> Hegemon: remove that line from your sources.list
[03:39] <BHSPitMonkey> I just parrotted the command from various web articles describing the process
[03:39] <savvas> Hegemon: that looks like a third party repository for wine
[03:40] <BHSPitMonkey> cupsys, ssl-cert
[03:40] <Hegemon> where's sources.list again?
[03:40] <BHSPitMonkey> Hegemon, /etc/apt
[03:40] <|neon|> have ne1 installed gutsy using the intel ichr9 on a RAID 0 , i know is softraid aka fakeraid but isn't there a way to get the 2 drives setup as RAID 0 using Linux Raid
[03:40] <BHSPitMonkey> Hegemon, or just go to System>Administration>Software Sources
[03:40] <savvas> BHSPitMonkey: it checks for new devel releases, but that it done with the check button better
[03:41] <savvas> BHSPitMonkey: you could alternatively try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:41] <Xiro> would anyone be willing to assist me with a guide/tutorial to get suspend/hibernate working with gutsy on my sony vaio SZ650 laptop? this is keeping me from wanting to run ubuntu
[03:42] <Hegemon> thnaks
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> Xiro: debugging that is awful hard.
[03:42] <BHSPitMonkey> savvas, you're acting as if I haven't started the upgrade yet
[03:42] <Hegemon> lets see if that works
[03:42] <BHSPitMonkey> savvas, I get the feeling I'm going to walk away from this with a borked install
[03:43] <Xiro> nosrednaekim: is there much luck with it?
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> Xiro: its ALL luck ;)
[03:43] <savvas> BHSPitMonkey: I have a feeling you're trying to upgrade to a non-stable release yet :) you should know the risks
[03:44] <Xiro> nosrednaekim: it worked perfectly on my HP laptop, but my wife uses that laptop for school, I needed it to work on my sony vaio, but sony is closed about their hardware and is making this a very painful process to figure out
[03:44] <BHSPitMonkey> savvas, I do, and I was prepared for the worst, but it is reasonable of me to hold a release candidate to a high standard
[03:44] <BHSPitMonkey> and to report problems I'm having with a supported upgrade mechanism
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> Xiro: indeed. such is the problem. first, I would uninstall all proprietary drivers (ATI/nvidia)
[03:44] <savvas> BHSPitMonkey: I did a clean install, I have a separate partition for /home and formatted the / root partition and all is well
[03:44] <BHSPitMonkey> savvas, as do I
[03:45] <BHSPitMonkey> except for the clean install part.
[03:45] <Xiro> nosrednaekim: i have spent hours looking for online guides and it seems that the only solution is to wait for this group of people who is collecting vaio information to write scripts to do it in gutsy
[03:45] <BHSPitMonkey> which I may have to do if this isntall gets fubar
[03:45] <Xiro> nosrednaekim: some sort of stickied thread on the forums
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> Xiro: yeah...probably. see if the group needs any help. thats the best way to speed the process :)
[03:46] <Xiro> nosrednaekim: im not sure how i could be of any help other than posting my info
[03:46] <Xiro> nosrednaekim: it seems i may just have to wait before making the move to ubuntu :S
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> Xiro: yeah :(
[03:47] <Xiro> nosrednaekim: its a shame too, my friend has gutsy working perfectly on his dell laptop and it looks gorgeous
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> ah... did it come with ubuntu?
[03:48] <Xiro> nosrednaekim: nope..he bought one of those business solution cheap laptops
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> ah. ok
[03:48] <Xiro> nosrednaekim: day it came he wiped vista and installed ubuntu
[03:48] <savvas> Xiro: dell supports ubuntu oem
[03:49] <Xiro> savvas: i am running a sony vaio laptop
[03:49] <Hegemon> stupid question
[03:49] <Hegemon> I fi upgrade to the beta now
[03:49] <savvas> either way, dell's hardware is probably carefully selected and supported
[03:49] <Hegemon> will i have to up grade on the 18 th again?
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> Hegemon: nope
[03:49] <Xiro> yea sony doesnt play well with linux :S
[03:49] <Hegemon> ok
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> Hegemon: just normal updates
[03:49] <Hegemon> ahh
[03:49] <Hegemon> ok
[03:49] <Hegemon> good
[03:49] <savvas> Xiro: my sony ericsson mobile does :P
[03:49] <maek> is is possible to remove gimp without removing the ubuntu-desktop metapackage?
[03:50] <Xiro> savvas: lol my vaio SZ650 doesnt :(
[03:50] <Xiro> savvas: i did some google searching and it seems a lot of people are having the same problems as i am getting basic functionality to work
[03:50] <savvas> maek: why? it can't fit in your partition?
[03:51] <BHSPitMonkey> Could not install the upgrades   The upgrade aborts now. Your system could be in an unusable state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a).   Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ in the bugreport.   installArchives() failed
[03:51] <BHSPitMonkey> :(
[03:51] <BHSPitMonkey> off to launchpad I suppose
[03:52] <Xiro> dont you just hate when the only operating system that your computer supports is vista...makes you feel so dirty..
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> Xiro: lol
[03:52] <savvas> maek: it's 10mb I think without its help file
[03:52] <Hegemon> lol
[03:53] <maek> savvas: ok, good call. No real reason to then. just wondering about trimming the fat. thanks
[03:54] <savvas> maek: I don't think you'll be able to without loosing the ubuntu-desktop metapackage :\ the apps are what makes the ubuntu-desktop. you could install ubuntu-minimal however and build on that
[03:54] <maek> savvas: whats ubuntu-minimal?
[03:54] <savvas> maek: apt-cache show ubuntu-minimal
[03:55] <maek> savvas: what I was doing was installing server and building up from there but im getting problems with this new laptop.
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> maek: a) Why do you want to remove Gimp?  b) do you have a specifc reason not to remove ubuntu-desktop?
[03:55] <savvas> you'll have to install gnome/kde from apt-get manually though heh
[03:55] <maek> savvas: im using wmii, so I dont need gnome/kde
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> oh
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> If you're not using Gnome, there's really no reason for ubuntu-desktop then ;)
[03:56] <maek> tonyyarusso: I dont need gimp, dont use it and Im just worried about ripping out meta packages
[03:56] <savvas> maek: I don't own a laptop, sorry :)
[03:56] <maek> tonyyarusso: oh. thanks.
[03:56] <maek> savvas: smart move :)
[03:56] <Psi-Jack> I'm having a serious problem with Evolution. I cannot make any appointments at all, and when I try to do so from the "New" button, I get this error: Unable to open the calendar 'Personal' for creating events and meetings.
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> maek: Fair enough.  The purpose of ubuntu-desktop is to help automate installation of new packages during upgrades, but if you're not using Gnome, you're not using the stuff it's pulling in anyway.
[03:56] <Xiro> maek: if not using gnome/kde, just install debian sarge net installer...its ubuntu minus all the stuff....
[03:57] <maek> Xiro: minus all the friendly ;)
[03:57] <tonyyarusso> Xiro: That would give you debian, which isn't binary compatible.
[03:57] <jordan_U> update manager has frozen for me, just after clicking to install the latest updates, but I don't think ( can't remember for sure ) that it has asked me for my password yet. And dpkg has not set a lock yet.
[03:57] <Xiro> maek: ehh wasnt sure what you were using it for, i use debian sarge for networking mainly
[03:57] <tonyyarusso> However, you can use the !alternate CD, choose "Install a command-line system", and that will give you ubuntu-minimal.
[03:58] <maek> Xiro: yeah, my file server at home is running debian.
[03:58] <Psi-Jack> This is a fairly fresh install of Ubuntu Gutsy RC, too.
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> It's not fully graphical like the desktop CD, but it's pretty easy to understand ncurses menus.
[03:58] <maek> tonyyarusso: thanks. I didnt know about that option, seems better then installing server
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> maek: yeah - I actually personally prefer the alternate CD for all of my installations, just to bypass all the prettiness and get right to the point ;)  (plus it can do LVM and RAID)
[03:59] <savvas> maek: the server edition has a lot of stuff for servers, I don't think you'll need any of them on a laptop, like http daemon (to host websites?) :P
[03:59] <maek> tonyyarusso: I will look into the alt cd, thanks.
[04:00] <BHSPitMonkey> hey tonyyarusso
[04:00] <maek> savvas: yeah, Ive been running 7.04 server on my old laptop for a while now, lots of stuff to turn off and lots of stuff to add. PITA
[04:00] <Davy_Jones> hi
[04:00] <maek> having a mobile lamp stack is nice for testing work
[04:00] <Davy_Jones> i tried to install ubuntu studio 7.1 and i got this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40669/
[04:00] <Davy_Jones> any ideas?
[04:01] <Davy_Jones> this is the RC
[04:01] <BHSPitMonkey> Davy_Jones, well. for starters, it's 7.10 ;)
[04:01] <Davy_Jones> i don't know what difference it makes but whatever
[04:01] <CheeseGardener> I'm having problems with Open Office 2.3, getting it to print on Gutsy.
[04:01] <BHSPitMonkey> (standard decimal rules don't apply to Ubuntu version naming)
[04:02] <Psi-Jack> Okay...
[04:02] <Psi-Jack> Dangit.
[04:02] <Psi-Jack> How do I completely trash evolution's setup and re-built it from scratch, at least?
[04:02] <BHSPitMonkey> Davy_Jones, I'm in the middle of an upgrade and nothing's working, so I can't pull up your paste unfortunately
[04:02] <Psi-Jack> I tried mv ~/,evolution ~/.evolution.off
[04:02] <Psi-Jack> but it still pulls up.. Stuff....
[04:02] <letalis> anyone get a working framebuffer console yet?
[04:03] <Davy_Jones> BHSPitMonkey: basically it says it cannot fetch the kernel from the cd for some reason
[04:03] <BHSPitMonkey> Davy_Jones, (It goes by year and month;  7 for 2007 and 10 for October.)
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> Psi-Jack: do you have a program called "creationism" on your computer?
[04:03] <BHSPitMonkey> Davy_Jones, and you are trying to install from the CD, correct?
[04:03] <bqmassey> i'd like to install the Avant bar .. how'd i go about doin that?
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> !AWM
[04:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about awm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:03] <Davy_Jones> BHSPitMonkey: yes
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> !AWN
[04:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about awn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:03] <BHSPitMonkey> !avant-window-manager
[04:03] <savvas> !avant
[04:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avant - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> bqmassey: google it.. there is a tuturial
[04:03] <savvas> :(
[04:04] <bqmassey> ok
[04:04] <BHSPitMonkey> erm
[04:04] <nzero> ok two questions. 1 is there an ATI control panel for ubuntu and 2 whats a good animate quick launcher, like the one on mac osx that sits at the bottom?
[04:04] <BHSPitMonkey> !info avant-window-manager
[04:04] <ubotu> Package avant-window-manager does not exist in gutsy
[04:04] <DanaG> I tried it for about 15 minutes, then said, "baah, I don't need it".
[04:04] <DanaG> !google
[04:04] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[04:04] <CheeseGardener> is anyone else having problems with open office 2.3 and printing?
[04:04] <Psi-Jack> nosrednaekim: Hmmm..
[04:04] <BHSPitMonkey> Davy_Jones, tried the people in #ubuntustudio?
[04:04] <jordan_U> Should I just kill update-manager or is there something I should do to get more info for a bug report first?
[04:04] <Psi-Jack> nosrednaekim: Doesn't tab-complete in bash.
[04:04] <nzero> cheeesegardner: update system
[04:04] <Davy_Jones> BHSPitMonkey: it's dead there
[04:04] <Powerking89670> night all
[04:04] <maek> bqmassey: http://awn.wetpaint.com/page/UbuntuFeistyHowTo?t=anon
[04:05] <CheeseGardener> my system is updated.
[04:05] <nzero> do it again
[04:05] <bqmassey> thanks maek
[04:05] <Davy_Jones> BHSPitMonkey: do you come here often?
[04:05] <maek> bqmassey: np
[04:05] <BHSPitMonkey> Davy_Jones, checksum and verify your CD?
[04:05] <nzero> cups an openoffice just got updated
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> nzero: yes there is an ATI control center, and try AWN, or kooldock for kde
[04:05] <BHSPitMonkey> Davy_Jones, I'm always in here, but I don't come here entirely too often.
[04:05] <nzero> thANKS
[04:05] <Davy_Jones> BHSPitMonkey: is it common to see people having problems with their kernels not able to be fetched?
[04:05] <BHSPitMonkey> haven't been watching, sorry
[04:05] <BHSPitMonkey> Davy_Jones, might want to try plugging your error into google
[04:06] <CheeseGardener> it says my system is up to date.
[04:06] <nzero> is the ati control panel in the stock repos
[04:06] <Davy_Jones> BHSPitMonkey: i don't think i'll be able to get something, but doesn't hurt to try
[04:07] <nzero> hmm
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> nzero: yeah
[04:07] <Psi-Jack> nosrednaekim: Why, what is creationism?
[04:07] <nzero> cool
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> Psi-Jack: haha... it was a joke... osrry
[04:08] <CheeseGardener> when I clicked check it came up with other stuff
[04:08] <CheeseGardener> so we'll see.
[04:08] <Psi-Jack> Okay. I'm not here for jokes. :p
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> Creationism is the Idea that God created humans etc
[04:08] <Psi-Jack> I'm here, cause Evolution is failing miserably. :p
[04:08] <Psi-Jack> heh
[04:09] <jimmacdonald> so use thunderbird.
[04:09] <Psi-Jack> jimmacdonald: Do you think Evolution ONLY has email? No it doesn't. :p
[04:09] <baked>  hey, sorry to bother you w/ a simple question like this. I am having trouble with bug #106418, but it says its fixed.  I wanted to try the latest kernel, is there a way to install the latest kernel from dev through apt-get?
[04:09] <noah_> I just upgraded to gutsy today and my sound went caput
[04:09] <Psi-Jack> Sheash. Don't tell me what to use! You're just being rude by doing that.
[04:09] <Psi-Jack> I'm trying to use Evolution for SCHEDULES!
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> bug 106410
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> bug 106418
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> huh.... seems the bot is down
[04:11] <IdleOne> ubotu: ping
[04:11] <ubotu> pong
[04:11] <hydrogen> bug #106418
[04:11] <IdleOne> bug #106418
[04:11] <hydrogen> shrug
[04:11] <hydrogen> oh well
[04:11] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[04:11] <IdleOne> is it a launchpad bug?
[04:11] <Psi-Jack> No, Evolution will not let me create any Calendar appointments.
[04:12] <Psi-Jack> I'm having a serious problem with Evolution. I cannot make any appointments at all, and when I try to do so from the "New" button, I get this error: Unable to open the calendar 'Personal' for creating events and meetings.
[04:12] <Davy_Jones> !bug
[04:12] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:12] <IdleOne> hydrogen: [22:11:30]  <ubotu> Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: timed out
[04:12] <nzero> hey how do i access the ati control panel
[04:12] <hydrogen> yep.
[04:12] <hydrogen> I got the same thing
[04:12] <nzero> Ubotu:ping
[04:12] <ubotu> pong
[04:12] <nzero> robots are cool
[04:12] <IdleOne> bot is fine it's launchpad that is messing up heh
[04:12] <baked> yea
[04:13] <baked> thats the bug i am experiencing right now
[04:13] <nzero> hey how do i access the ati control panel?
[04:13] <Davy_Jones> i wish bash was as intuitive as ubotu
[04:13] <baked> sorry, i didn't know a bug was telling you information
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> nzero: should be in the menu
[04:13] <IdleOne> nzero: dont play to muchwith the bot in the #ubuntu's or the ops get mad and set ubotu +killermode
[04:14] <nzero> hmmm not seeing it
[04:14] <baked> does anyone have an answer to my question here?
[04:14] <Davy_Jones> baked: apt should take care of any upgrades
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> nzero: I forget its name..
[04:14] <Psi-Jack> So, does anyone know .. Well first of all, why, Evolution's not working, out of the box, for me, but is for my brother on his computer.. And how to fix it or wipe it and restart over, just Evolution? ;)
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> Psi-Jack: did you delete the evolution config files?
[04:15] <Psi-Jack> nosrednaekim: I deleted ~/.evolution yes
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> oh. well I don't use gnome, so IDK.
[04:15] <Psi-Jack> It just re-created it and still had the "Schedule" calendar I made from before I deleted it, so it was obviously not done. LOL
[04:16] <Psi-Jack> Still, of course, not working.
[04:16] <SoBoredLol> how can i recompile my mouse driver (synaptic)
[04:17] <kevinO> whats the command to upgrade from fiesty to gutsy?
[04:18] <nzero> none right now
[04:18] <nzero> download gutsy iso from site
[04:18] <nzero> !gutsy
[04:18] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[04:18] <defcon> ralink rt73 still doesnt work out of the box in gutsy, works fine in other os's like fedora/pclinuxos... this hasnt worked since pre-feisty
[04:18] <noah_> Hi, I was wondering if anyone has had sound issues with gutsy and nVidia MCP51
[04:18] <kevinO> there is because I have done it before i just forgot the command
[04:18] <defcon> plenty of bug reports filed, its a blueprint and gutsy is going to be released yet flawed again
[04:19] <jsubl2> noah_, that is what i have and it seems ok so far
[04:20] <IdleOne> !upgrade | kevinO
[04:20] <ubotu> kevinO: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[04:20] <kevinO> thanks
[04:21] <kevinO> is that server down i canot get to it?
[04:21] <IdleOne> kevinO: seems all ubuntu servers are having issues at the momment
[04:21] <kevinO> ok
[04:21] <nzero> i installed fglrx control panel and its just missing in action
[04:21] <noah_> jsubl2_, so it probably doesn't have much to do with the sound card then i imagine...
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> nzero: try "dpkg -l <package name>"
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> that should tell you the executable
[04:22] <jsubl2> noah_, i just had to edit preference of the mixer and add some channels to raise the audio level on.  then it was fine
[04:23] <jsubl2> 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[04:23] <noah_> yeah, that's the one
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> noah_: you may have to erase some alsa config files
[04:24] <noah_> I gave that a shot
[04:24] <jsubl2> mine is out of the box.  I did not edit anything manually
[04:24] <Psi-Jack> Is there more to Evolution than ~/.evolution?
[04:25] <lamalex> Hey, is anyone having problems with flash crashing firefox?
[04:25] <lamalex> it's happening to me with FF2 and FF3
[04:26] <noah_> nosrednaekim_ would you be referring to ~/.asoundrc* ?
[04:26] <ISS_Student> If I can run fgl_glxgears should I be able to run beryl?
[04:27] <lee__> OK NOW IWANT IT FIXED
[04:27] <lee__> on back up drive
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> ISS_Student, that depends on the video card
[04:27] <lee__> and I have the other drive mounted
[04:27] <noah_> jsubl2_, for some reason i'm getting a no gstreamer plugin or device found error
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> intel, ati and nvidia should let it work...
[04:27] <lee__> no it crashed my system
[04:28] <lee__> all i get is a black screen
[04:28] <jsubl2> noah_, how and what are you playing ogg with rhythmbox or??
[04:28] <SoBoredLol> how do i recompile my kernel/mouse driver?????
[04:28] <lee__> so can some on please hel;p me restore it to where at least it will strt up
[04:28] <frostburn> SoBoredLol, are you using your own custom kernel?
[04:28] <SoBoredLol> no
[04:29] <frostburn> then you don't need to recompile?
[04:29] <SoBoredLol> i am using 7.10 that i downloaded yesterday and my dmesg is filled with messages like
[04:29] <noah_> jsubl2_, i'm actually not even trying to play anything right now i got that error from the volume control at the top
[04:29] <vasuvi> Is there any way to find out what interrupts are being used by which device?
[04:29] <SoBoredLol> one sec lemme get the paste url
[04:29] <noah_> jsubl2_, "at the top" meaning in my top panel
[04:30] <lee__> can some please send me a scrit to reset kubuntu to its origional setting with out the drivers activated
[04:30] <SoBoredLol> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40596/
[04:30] <jsubl2> noah_, did you install the rc?  that is what i am running
[04:30] <SoBoredLol> frostburn, check out that ubuntu paste url i get a new one of them about every 10-16mins....
[04:30] <lee__> eh is there a pste to help me get my system back online
[04:31] <frostburn> SoBoredLol, and this didn't happen in older kernels?
[04:31] <wastedfluid> has anyone figurd out s2disk on gutsy?  having lots of problems with it.
[04:31] <lee__> my drive is mounted
[04:31] <SoBoredLol> nope
[04:31] <jsubl2> noah_, i am also using the 64bit
[04:31] <SoBoredLol> only started happening when i upgraded to 7.10.....
[04:31] <ISS_Student> I'm running RC and On the Beta I installed KDE and a bunch of extras and it killed my Wireless so I'm wondering if I should try KDE again or just stick with Gnome
[04:31] <SoBoredLol> i did a fresh install twice now frostburn
[04:31] <lee__> then can some one come into my system and take alook at the ati drivers and see i what I need to chagne?
[04:31] <nomasteryoda> wastedfluid, it should be using your swap partition... if you made it big enough...
[04:32] <nomasteryoda> that is how mine works
[04:32] <noah_> jsubl2_, rc?
[04:32] <noah_> jsubl2_, oh, yes me as wel
[04:32] <lee__> if you do KDE Dont screw with the drivers or youl have nothing
[04:32] <nomasteryoda> lee__, what drivers?
[04:32] <savvas> SoBoredLol: try this: sudo modprobe psmouse
[04:33] <lee__> thise friggin ati drivers for when I enabled the friggin card
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> ah
[04:33] <lee__> I don't want to have to relaod
[04:33] <SoBoredLol> how do i unprobe it?, i need my scroller back :)
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> ati can rot in card oblivion at this point...
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> rmmod psmouse
[04:33] <lee__> well I want to know how to reverse it
[04:33] <earlmred> hmm
[04:34] <savvas> SoBoredLol: rmmod psmouse
[04:34] <earlmred> firefox keeps crashing when i try to save a file from a webpage
[04:34] <frostburn> SoBoredLol, submit a bug report and use an older kernel, or if you want compile your own kernel, there's a few good guides on that.  im not sure what custom patches are used with ubuntu
[04:34] <savvas> ah sorry nomasteryoda :P
[04:34] <earlmred> but not if i right click and say save link as...
[04:34] <jsubl2> noah_, in a terminal window type id and make sure you are in the audio group
[04:34] <lee__> if theres any ke codes that will get me to the screen so i can uncheck it
[04:34] <SoBoredLol> frostburn, i sent one..., and how do i get an older one via apt?
[04:34] <lee__> fine Ill pick at it  myself
[04:35] <letalis> anyone had any luck getting a framebuffer console working with nvidia cards?
[04:35] <lee__> maybe Ill soe kind a dammage to where it will have to revert back to its origional state
[04:35] <CheeseGardener> I'm still having problems with open office.  When I go to print something, it freezes on me in gutsy.  I updated my system completely too.
[04:35] <letalis> i attempted it last time and got black screens
[04:35] <jimmacdonald> !flashplayer
[04:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:35] <frostburn> SoBoredLol, there should be 3-4 different kernels in your grub menu, if not you can install them via synaptic under linux-image-2.6.22-whatever
[04:35] <letalis> on a setting that worked prior to using gutsy
[04:35] <savvas> CheeseGardener: did you reboot after the lastest openoffice updates?
[04:35] <CheeseGardener> No
[04:36] <lamalex> anyone able to help?
[04:36] <noah_> jsubl2_, could you tell me how to get there?
[04:36] <orphean> dsf
[04:36] <lee__> ok I have my hard drive mounted can some at least give a script so that I can manualy change it
[04:36] <savvas> CheeseGardener: well try reboot and try again, some of the changes require an X restart. Otherwise, a bug report might be nice: http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[04:37] <CheeseGardener> ok
[04:37] <lee__> wait all unbunto is the same for its hard ware right
[04:37] <savvas> SoBoredLol: fixed?
[04:38] <lee__> wahts the commnd line for editing the drivers
[04:38] <savvas> SoBoredLol: or disabled for that matter :P
[04:38] <lee__> I can cut and paste waht I had save
[04:38] <lee__> from unbuntu
[04:38] <SoBoredLol> savvas, i need my touchpad (lol)
[04:38] <SoBoredLol> so lets not disable it :)
[04:38] <jsubl2> noah_, is that logged in as the user id u setup during installation
[04:38] <SoBoredLol> i am downloading a new kernel :)
[04:38] <savvas> SoBoredLol: well.. modprobe actually enables it
[04:39] <jsubl2> noah_, applications - accessories -- terminal..  then when it comes up type id and hit enter
[04:39] <SoBoredLol> can i recompile the mouse pad driver?
[04:39] <SoBoredLol> it is a synaptic mouse pad
[04:39] <savvas> SoBoredLol: do this: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-ubuntu-modules-`uname -r`
[04:39] <noah_> jsubl2_, thanks
[04:40] <umer> hello everyone, i am having a problem. i am using ubuntu gutsy, release candidate, i have an hp laptop and the sound of the built in speakers or the headphones isnt working. also i have a usb soundblaster sound card. originally it was giving sound prefectly fine, however now any sound that is played either stutters or there is static. also, for the usb sound card, in volume control the master volume will not stay linked, the left
[04:40] <umer>  channel goes all they way down to 0 whenever i try to increase or decrease the volume
[04:40] <umer> i was wondering if someone would be able to help me out
[04:41] <jsubl2> noah_, np.. good luck
[04:41] <SoBoredLol> ok time to reboot :)
[04:44] <umer> hello, is anyone able to help me out?
[04:45] <savvas> umer: cat /proc/asound/cards
[04:46] <umer>  0 [NVidia         ] : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
[04:46] <umer>                       HDA NVidia at 0xc0000000 irq 22
[04:46] <umer>  1 [MP3            ] : USB-Audio - Sound Blaster MP3+
[04:46] <umer>                       Creative Labs Sound Blaster MP3+ at usb-0000:00:0b.1-3.1, full speed
[04:47] <umer> savvas, thats the result i get when i do that
[04:47] <lee__> ok how do I get wrtie permissions?
[04:47] <Centaur5> Some point in time bluetooth has gotten screwed up and my laptop doesn't appear to see my bluetooth usb adapter.  What can I do?
[04:47] <fryguy> any way to get sound working with firefox/flash without having to close every other application using sound?
[04:47] <Psi-Jack> Okay. Got Evolution working. Heh
[04:48] <lee__> soome can you please tell me how I can get write permissions
[04:48] <savvas> umer: try this: sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[04:48] <savvas> umer: any output?
[04:48] <Psi-Jack> Now, I just got 1 problem left. Since I enabled the Nvidia restricted drivers, Switching to tty1, or any text console... Blanks my screen, and powers down my monitor, instead of giving me a text console.
[04:48] <jsubl2> Psi-Jack, so what was the secret to fixing it
[04:48] <umer> savvas: no output
[04:48] <savvas> umer: ok now type alsamixer
[04:48] <savvas> umer: it should run alsamixer with no errors, right?
[04:49] <umer> savvas: it runs it with no errors
[04:49] <umer> card = hda nvidia
[04:49] <savvas> umer: press right arrow on your keyboard
[04:49] <Psi-Jack> jsubl2: I had to delete ~/.evolution and ~/.gconf/applications/evolution. AND THEN restart Gnome.
[04:49] <umer> chip= cx20549 (venice)
[04:49] <umer> okay?
[04:49] <umer> pressed right, now it selected pcm
[04:49] <savvas> umer: then press down or up arrow, see if the volume changes
[04:49] <umer> it does
[04:50] <savvas> umer: ok press Esc
[04:50] <umer> savvas: done
[04:50] <Psi-Jack> Anyone know about the video issue when switching to a text console?
[04:50] <savvas> umer: you use gnome/ubuntu or kde/kubuntu ?
[04:51] <umer> gnome/ubuntu
[04:51] <CheeseGardener> I restarted, and my open office still crashes when I go to print things in Gutsy.
[04:51] <jsubl2> Psi-Jack, i just did control-alt-f1 then ctrl-alt-f7 and it seemed fine
[04:51] <CheeseGardener> does anyone know what this problem could be?  Why open office is crashing when I go to print things?
[04:52] <kingrayray> if anybody recalls my X issues from before, a dpkg-reconfigure followed by a reboot seems to have resolved the situation
[04:52] <savvas> umer: ok close all your music apps, and after that open one and play an mp3 file or something
[04:52] <Psi-Jack> jsubl2: Hmmm. I do that, and the screen is so wacked out distorted and unsuable.
[04:52] <Psi-Jack> unusable.
[04:52] <Psi-Jack> And then the monitor turns off cause it's out of sync.
[04:53] <savvas> CheeseGardener: well I think a but report would be a good move: bugs.ubuntu.com
[04:53] <Creationist> Can I not install a 686 kernel from the repositores in Gutsy?
[04:53] <jsubl2> how about if you hit the auto adjust on the monitor when you are there
[04:53] <umer> savvas: its playing, however its using the usb soundcard, but the alsamixer was controlling the built in sound card
[04:53] <umer> savvas: and even the music it is playing, its staticcy
[04:53] <Creationist> I read a little tip that suggested doing that because it would support SMP and multi-threading CPUs
[04:53] <savvas> Creationist: -generic now
[04:55] <CheeseGardener> ok
[04:55] <Creationist> So what is the difference between the packages "linux-image" and "linux-image-generic"?
[04:56] <savvas> Creationist: no idea, I use generic :) I think the generic is there for people that were using -386 or other kernels
[04:56] <|neon|> can i install ubuntustudio-desktop under kubuntu and will it run ok
[04:57] <umer> savvas: anyother ideas?
[04:58] <savvas> umer: run the volume control from Applications > Sound & video
[04:58] <umer> theres no volume control there
[04:59] <kingrayray> hmm
[04:59] <kingrayray> suddenly most of my volume controls aren't working right
[04:59] <gregshallard> Hey guys.
[04:59] <umer> savvas: theres only echomixer envy24control hdspconf hdspmixer
[04:59] <umer> rmedegicontrol
[04:59] <umer> and the normal multimedia stuff
[04:59] <savvas> eh?
[04:59] <earlmred> bah
[04:59] <earlmred> swiftweasel keeps crashing
[05:00] <earlmred> i even removed my .mozilla folder
[05:00] <gregshallard> I just restarted my X and when now its halting at "Running Local Boot Scripts (etc/rc.local)"
[05:00] <savvas> umer: sudo apt-get install gnome-volume-manager
[05:00] <umer> savvas: apt-get says its already installed
[05:01] <savvas> earlmred: report a bug at bugs.ubuntu.com
[05:01] <savvas> or to swiftweasel's site directly
[05:01] <earlmred> savvas, i'm trying to disable all my extensions first, see if it continues
[05:01] <savvas> ah ok
[05:01] <nzero> savvas do you know how to open the fglrx control panel
[05:01] <savvas> umer: are you sure there's no "Volume Control"? :)
[05:02] <earlmred> wtf.
[05:02] <gregshallard> I just restarted my X and when now its halting at "Running Local Boot Scripts (etc/rc.local)"
[05:02] <umer> savvas: not in applications > sound and video there isnt
[05:02] <gregshallard> Any ideas?
[05:02] <earlmred> bookmark a page, it crashes ...
[05:02] <earlmred> try to save a file, crashes.
[05:02] <savvas> umer: ok type this: gnome-volume-control
[05:03] <savvas> nzero: no idea, I use nvidia, sorry :)
[05:03] <umer> savvas: that brings up volume control
[05:03] <nzero> anyone know what command to type to open the FGLRX control panel
[05:03] <savvas> nzero: try this: type "fglrx" (without quotes) and press tab twice, maybe it will autocomplete
[05:04] <savvas> umer: from the menu file > change device, change to hda intel
[05:04] <gregshallard> Anyone know?
[05:05] <umer> savvas: theres no hda intel, but there is hda nvidia
[05:05] <lee__> ok guys I need a simple yes or no
[05:05] <|neon|> what's the dddddifference between swiftweasel and swiftfox
[05:05] <savvas> umer: yes, try that
[05:05] <umer> okay, did that, now i see, hda nvidia (alsa mixer) with master, pcm, and ext mic
[05:06] <lee__> can you coppy and past a file from one hdd to another..if yes the how do I make it acceeable to do so?
[05:06] <savvas> umer: the master is not muted, is it?
[05:06] <gregshallard> Are there any bugs with Boot Scripts at start atm?
[05:06] <umer> savvas: no its not muted
[05:06] <letalis> well that sucked. i typed apt-get remove "kde4" and it decided to hose my entire kde installation.
[05:06] <letalis> LOL
[05:06] <letalis> oh well.
[05:07] <savvas> umer: yet it still doesn't play your audio files right?
[05:07] <nzero> does the ati control panel only work for the opensource drivers
[05:07] <savvas> umer: the thing is.. a lot of people complained about hda intel devices, some work and some don't :\
[05:08] <umer> savvas: yes, it still doesnt play the audio files. the hda nvidia is the onboard, that doesnt play anything, and the soundblaster mp3+ is the usb one, that plays, however its very staticcy
[05:08] <lee__> how do i get permissions for my second hdd?
[05:08] <savvas> I don't know if nvidia is using hda intel or not... but I just tried and it looks like it doesn't
[05:08] <lee__> how do i get permissions for my second hdd?
[05:09] <lee__> eh i just learned someting ne...use the arow it helps lol
[05:10] <umer> savvas: so right now im more or less sol with the onboard eh?
[05:10] <lee__> ok ....how can i save to my hdd?
[05:10] <lee__> secondary?
[05:10] <umer> savvas: would you know why the usb one is acting up though?
[05:10] <savvas> umer: nope, you could try file a bug about it at bugs.ubuntu.com
[05:11] <umer> hmm, alright
[05:11] <umer> thanks
[05:12] <lee__> guys i have this drive special so i can view flash using 64 bit....how do i get permisions?
[05:12] <lee__> or how do i delete the script?
[05:14] <bofh80> hi people, another superb release, when i turn on the visual effects, i permantly loose my window title boxes, ie with the Name of the APP, and the control buttons (minimize, close, etc) . Any ideas?
[05:14] <savvas> bofh80: did you install the drivers using the restricted drivers manager?
[05:15] <bofh80> savvas, i upgraded from 7.04. and no i don't believe i did
[05:16] <bofh80> savvas, i am using nvidia drivers tho
[05:16] <bofh80> savvas, the effects work, i just loose the menu title bar lol
[05:16] <lee__> how do i get permissions for my second hdd?
[05:17] <boselecta> lee__: o
[05:18] <boselecta> lee__: is your hard drive mounted? what do you mean you don't have permissions?
[05:18] <gregshallard> My  X won't load, its halting at "Running Local boot scrips" any help?
[05:18] <savvas> bofh80: from the menu: system > administration > restricted drivers manager
[05:19] <savvas> bofh80: does it say it's in use?
[05:19] <bofh80> savvas, yes
[05:19] <savvas> bofh80: what card?
[05:19] <savvas> your graphics card isn't supported probably
[05:19] <bofh80> geforce3 ti 200 - 128meg
[05:20] <savvas> hm.. dunno
[05:20] <Gunner_Sr> I have a dell notebook and I can here the HDD spin up and dow all the time. How can I stop it?
[05:20] <kingrayray> anybody else having weird volume issues as of today?
[05:20] <bofh80> savvas, again, the effects WORK FINE, just i loose the bar . lol.
[05:21] <savvas> bofh80: oh.. hit alt-f2 and try this: compiz --replace &
[05:21] <bofh80> savvas, i was hoping it was a simple gconf-editor fix, or a line the in xorg.conf :P
[07:22] (boselecta/#ubuntu+1) yo checkit i can print in gutsy
[07:22] <boselecta> still no realvideo
[07:23] <jack|ass> So I've now got two machines with nvidia cards that throw a signal 11 whenever I try to fire up a program that does OpenGL.  I thought this was some config problem with Nvidia's driver and xinerama, but now it's on my single-headed laptop.  Has anyone seen similar behavior?
[07:24] <boselecta> not me. The ASUS A2000 laptop hasn't got fancy graphics.
[07:25] <boselecta> i can open xine, but haven't tried playing anything.
[07:25] <boselecta> just a sec, i'll grab a DVD
[07:26] <jack|ass> boselecta: i just got an asus g1s. :)
[07:26] <boselecta> haha
[07:27] <cyclonut> 2.6.22.14 does better on mem usage too, it seems
[07:27] <cyclonut> though Ive read that 2,6,23 is far superior to 22
[07:27] <cyclonut> harmmm
[07:27] <boselecta> xine can play my Three's Company Season One DVD just fine.
[07:28] <boselecta> does that answer your question, kind of?
[07:28] <dfgas> !kde4
[07:28] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[07:28] <boselecta> it's the one with Normal Fell as Mr Roper
[07:29] <boselecta> "Well, I put up the clean curtains. I sure hope Jack likes them!"
[07:29] <boselecta> "Oh Crissy!"
[07:31] <boselecta> Mrs. Roper just made a crack about Mr. Roper sleeping in his armchair.
[07:31] <boselecta> har har!
[07:32] <boselecta> anyway, no Signal 11 in Xine for me...
[07:33] <dfgas> anyone using kde4?
[07:38] <ISS_Student> So when Gutsy final is released what will I have to do to update my rc to the final?
[07:39] <boselecta> there will probably be instructions on that when the time comes.
[07:39] <boselecta> but i expect the answer is one of "nothing" or "whatever you did to upgrade to rc, do it again."
[07:42] <vasuvi> ISS_Student: Probably nothing other than a sudo aptitude dist-upgrade; as long as your sources.list file is pointing towards gutsy, you're pretty much all set.
[07:42] <kurisutofuaa> what the command to upgrade to the RC?
[07:43] <vasuvi> kuristutofuaa: Just update all your packages, that's it.  You're already using the Gutsy repositories.  There is nothing special about "RC" except they thought it stable enough to put it out that day.
[07:43] <cdm10> In my clean install of Gutsy, samba doesn't work, and neither does a particular USB key that worked in Feisty.
[07:43] <rredd4> trying to install rc on my laptop.  I have 20g of unallocated space.  Gparted is, for the last 5 minutes, scanning all devices.   Is there another way to set the unallocated partition to ext3?
[07:44] <vasuvi> kuristutofuaa: well, that is assuming you're already running some form of Gutsy; if you're still on Feisty, you'll have to change your repository first
[07:44] <ISS_Student> I like the fact the in RC with the restricted drivers I can get my wireless to work however there are 2 issues that I hope are fixed before actual release. 1) the absence of a boot splash screen and 2 if installing the kde packages then trying to use kde it won't allow me into the desktop
[07:44] <kurisutofuaa> vasuvi: I have a fresh 7.04 install so I'm trying to get to the Gutsy
[07:44] <vasuvi> kuristutofuaa: ah, that's a different matter then ;)
[07:45] <vasuvi> kuristutofuaa: sudo kwrite /et
[07:45] <vasuvi> kuristutofuaa: sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:45] <vasuvi> kuristutofuaa: (or sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list if you're in GNOME)
[07:45] <cdm10> kurisutofuaa: I'd give the commands the other way, Gnome being the most common DE on Ubuntu :)
[07:46] <vasuvi> kuristutofuaa: then change all occurrences of feisty to gutsy
[07:46] <cdm10> vasuvi: Aren't you supposed to use update-manager? It does things that changing sources.list doesn't.
[07:46] <vasuvi> cdm10: It may be, but being a KDE-centric person myself, I do my part to bring balance to the DE Force ;)
[07:46] <cdm10> ha
[07:47] <ISS_Student_> I can't get kde to work in Gutsy
[07:47] <cdm10> vasuvi: you're really not supposed to do the changing sources.list and dist-upgrading thing. update-manager is the correct way of doing it.
[07:47] <theAtom> everytime I try to install something on 7.10. i get this error message:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40681/
[07:47] <vasuvi> cdm10: ah, that's possible.  I'm used to the way it works on Debian proper, though I'm using Gutsy right now to try it out
[07:47] <theAtom> can spmepme tell me why pls?
[07:48] <vasuvi> kurisutofuaa: ok, it sounds like cdm10 knows better than I do about this, listen to him ;)
[07:48] <cdm10> vasuvi: the right way to do it is on the wiki, I think you run "gksudo update-manager -c -d". The way you're recommending can break stuff.
[07:48] <kurisutofuaa> okay so which one should I do then? ^-^
[07:48] <ISS_Student_> theAtom are you using synaptics to install?
[07:48] <cdm10> vasuvi: although I don't know if that's true... it's what I heard, though.
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[07:50] (theAtom/#ubuntu+1) synaptic gives same errors about openoffice dependy problems
[07:50] (GNine/#ubuntu+1) samba works for printing on network printer connected to a windows machine
[07:50] (cdm10/#ubuntu+1) kurisutofuaa: still here? I found the correct way to do it.
[07:51] (kurisutofuaa/#ubuntu+1) cdm10: which way is that? ^-^
[07:51] (foxiness/#ubuntu+1) theAtom: is this problem present only with openoffice ?
[07:51] (ISS_Student/#ubuntu+1) Darn I had 2 copies of Xchat open
[07:51] (cdm10/#ubuntu+1) kurisutofuaa: If you've changed sources.list, change it back to what it used to be, first of all.
[07:51] (theAtom/#ubuntu+1) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40681/  <--- any1 know fix pls?
[07:52] <theAtom> foxiness, new 7.10 install, 10mins ago
[07:52] <kurisutofuaa> cdm10: haven't change it
[07:52] <kristjan_> is kde4 login-able now?
[07:52] <theAtom> foxiness, seems to be
[07:52] <theAtom> foxiness, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40681/
[07:52] <foxiness> theAtom: i see it :) coz that am asking u
[07:52] <cdm10> kurisutofuaa: ok, in that case, hit alt-f2, and put this in: < update-manager -d >
[07:52] <GNine> expect to reconfigure your xorg multiple times ...
[07:53] <boselecta> Singapore Airlines is receiving an A380 today!
[07:53] <cdm10> theAtom: try running < sudo aptitude update && sudo dpkg --configure -a >
[07:53] <cdm10> !offtopic | boselecta
[07:53] <ubotu> boselecta: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[07:53] <ISS_Student> I'm giving up on KDE for now
[07:53] <boselecta> sorry i thought the a380 ran linux
[07:54] <cdm10> boselecta: Well, if it does, it certainly doesn't run Ubuntu 7.10, which is the focus of this channel.
[07:54] <cdm10> kurisutofuaa: did you get that? did it work?
[07:54] <jack|ass> so has anyone else seen X / NVidia crashes in both gutsy and feisty?
[07:55] <theAtom> cdm10, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40683/
[07:55] <user_> I've used a few nvidia with no prob
[07:55] <ISS_Student> I haven't had any problems with Nvidia on my desktop system
[07:55] <theAtom> cdm10, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40683/    <-- gives errors
[07:55] <kurisutofuaa> cdm10: nope I think I have update the updater (lol) before it will work
[07:55] <ISS_Student> Now on a laptop with ATI I have the no boot splash screen problem
[07:55] <foxiness> theAtom: "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" i hope not what i know,if it break apt-get database u may need to reinstall ubuntu
[07:55] <cdm10> theAtom: it may be possible that they've broken stuff, and it'll be fixed soon.
[07:55] <theAtom> foxiness, its a new fresh install LOL
[07:56] <jack|ass> user_: I have one nvidia / gutsy system that works, one that doesn't, and a third that's nvidia / feisty / multiple heads that crashes the same way.
[07:56] <GNine> Nvidia runs fine on my machine.. used the nv drivers for xorg
[07:56] <theAtom> cdm10, impossible!  just installed it 10mins ago!  havent done anything
[07:56] <cdm10> foxiness: if you read his paste, you'd realize that his package database is not broken, and you should stick to what you know.
[07:56] <cdm10> theAtom: see my above message
[07:56] <jack|ass> I'm using the NVIDIA binaries, not the open source driver.
[07:56] <boselecta> what channel is Slackware 0.99pl18?
[07:56] <ISS_Student> I used the restricted mode drivers for my Nvidia
[07:56] <theAtom> cdm10, at end of install it says updates available and give me thr errors
[07:56] <cdm10> kurisutofuaa: try alt-f2, then < update-manager -c -d >
[07:57] <foxiness> cdm10: k go ahead
[07:57] <theAtom> cdm10, OO problem! how I totally remove OO?
[07:57] <cdm10> theAtom: just leave it alone, wait a day or two, and try updating again.
[07:57] <cdm10> theAtom: they may have fixed the packages by then if it's on Ubuntu's end.
[07:57] <theAtom> ok
[07:57] <theAtom> cheers
[07:57] <kurisutofuaa> cdm10: now i see it ^_^
[07:57] <ISS_Student> I think from now till release date there will be plenty of updates
[07:59] <theAtom> jow I install Opera?
[07:59] <cdm10> theAtom: http://www.opera.com/download/
[07:59] <gregshallard> Hey, just wondering which confile I need to delete to  reset defaults in compiz fusion
[08:00] <KenSentMe> !opera
[08:00] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[08:00] <GNine> !compiz
[08:00] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:00] <theAtom> cdm10, ok thanks
[08:00] <KenSentMe> theAtom, see above message
[08:00] <cdm10> theAtom: although it says the most recent version is for 6.10... it should work, though.
[08:00] <cdm10> theAtom: never mind!
[08:00] <cdm10> theAtom: look for it in add/remove.
[08:00] <user_> ANyone opera in gutsy yet?
[08:01] <cdm10> user_: it's in add/remove, it should work.
[08:01] <user_> Is it in synaptic now?
[08:01] <theAtom> wont allow me to tremove openoffice :(
[08:01] <ISS_Student> How can I test to see if flash is installed and working?
[08:01] <cdm10> user_: it's in add/remove, but I don't think it's in synaptic.
[08:01] <cdm10> user_: go to youtube or something
[08:01] <KenSentMe> ISS_Student, open a flash website?
[08:01] <boselecta> um. go to a page that uses flash?
[08:01] <cdm10> theAtom: have you been listening to me? Don't uninstall openoffice.
[08:01] <user_> youtube = flash
[08:01] <cdm10> theAtom: Just wait a few days and see if they've fixed the packages.
[08:01] <GNine> why would you want to anyway?
[08:02] <theAtom> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40684/   <--- Ubuntu refuses to remove openoffice!  any ideas why?
[08:03] <theAtom> cdm10, ok
[08:03] <cdm10> theAtom: would you just listen to me??
[08:03] <theAtom> understood
[08:03] <theAtom> i did
[08:03] <theAtom> read it after
[08:03] <theAtom> ill wait
[08:03] <GNine> it probably dont like you theAtom .. deal with it
[08:03] <cdm10> theAtom: just because it breaks an update doesn't mean you should, or can, try to remove it.
[08:03] <theAtom> GNine, no need to troll
[08:03] <GNine> no need to bs either
[08:03] <cdm10> theAtom: you're running a prerelease OS, it's going to have issues, best to just wait the repositories out.
[08:04] <theAtom> cdm10, wait till 28th u mean?
[08:04] <foxiness> cdm10: if hi can update ;)
[08:04] <boselecta> i ran OOo the other night.
[08:04] <boselecta> it worked.
[08:04] <cdm10> theAtom: not necessarily, they may fix it before then.
[08:05] <theAtom> ok
[08:05] <theAtom> ill wait
[08:05] <cdm10> theAtom: also, what are you doing running Gutsy when you don't know anything about APT? There used to be a message in the topic warning people not to run it if they didn't know APT...
[08:05] <GNine> exactly..
[08:05] <cdm10> I suppose, since it's RC, they figured that the package maintainers wouldn't break anything...
[08:05] <foxiness> theAtom: if this problem still present u can not do anything from apt-get install remove update upgrade "ur system broken"
[08:06] <theAtom> cdm10, LOL!  it happened at NEW install!  nothing was done by me
[08:06] <foxiness> theAtom: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) "use google to know what i mean"
[08:06] <user_> Anyone else just have an update notification?
[08:06] <theAtom> cdm10, it installed freshly! then rebooted. then said updates available. I said update, and it gave the errors
[08:06] <cypherdelic> pkgsel (0.13ubuntu3) UNRELEASED; urgency=low <--- how to install that package
[08:06] <cdm10> theAtom: I realize that, but my question was, what do you think you're doing running Gutsy before it's released when you don't know about APT?
[08:06] <GNine> sometimes you lose.. am pretty sure cdm10 didnt have an issue.. neither did i...
[08:06] <theAtom> cdm10, Define APT
[08:07] <cdm10> theAtom: there's your problem.
[08:07] <theAtom> LOL
[08:07] <boselecta> not me. my system is up to date
[08:07] <theAtom> cdm10, we not all as educated and wise as you
[08:07] <GNine> and then you wanna talk about trolls , theAtom
[08:07] <cdm10> user_: yes, and since it seems to have broken theAtom's system, I'd wait a few days.
[08:07] <theAtom> anyway pizza is here
[08:07] <theAtom> :)
[08:07] <cdm10> foxiness: yes, that can mean that your database is broken and APT is screwed, but IN THIS CASE it does not.
[08:07] <theAtom> going to stuff my face
[08:07] <user_> HA not too scared of the breakage.
[08:07] <theAtom> bye :)
[08:07] <theAtom> cheers all
[08:07] <boselecta> gnight
[08:08] <ISS_Student> later all time for me to get some sleep
[08:08] <GNine> troll
[08:08] <cdm10> The fact is, if you don't know what APT is, you should wait until release... there were multiple messages about that in the topic before, but they've been removed.
[08:08] <cdm10> GNine: Me, a troll?
[08:08] <user_> Been running Gutsy since tribe 5 and had no probs
[08:08] <GNine> not you ..
[08:08] <cdm10> user_: same here, but that's because I know what I'm doing, and I know what APT is.
[08:08] <boselecta> my only issue is the lack of real video
[08:08] <cdm10> GNine: he's not a troll, just badly informed.
[08:08] <user_> Yeah, apt is very usefull
[08:09] <rredd4> how do make a unallocated partition ext3 using the gutsy live cd?
[08:09] <cypherdelic>  Does somebody know how to fix encrypted boot on LVM to spawn BusyBox???
[08:09] <cypherdelic>  i always need to type "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda3 system"
[08:09] <cypherdelic>  and then exit, then it asks me for the passphrase for the two containing partitions right
[08:09] <GNine> he started to sound like so.. am short tempered right now ...
[08:09] <GNine> :-P
[08:09] <cdm10> rredd4: there's no such thing as an "unallocated partition." It's called unallocated space, and yes, you can format it into an ext3 partition.
[08:09] <rredd4> ow please
[08:09] <rredd4> how
[08:09] <cdm10> rredd4: just go to System>Administration>GNOME Partition Editor, select your hard drive, and click New Partition.
[08:10] <user_> rredd4 choose your own partition scheem in the install , it's the last one on the partition option
[08:10] <GNine> !gparted
[08:10] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[08:10] <cdm10> rredd4: However, if you already have 4 partitions, you won't be able to create any more partitions.
[08:10] <boselecta> does 7.10 come with that video of Nelson Mandela?
[08:10] <rredd4> cdm10  i have 4
[08:10] <user_> or gparted but either way you will have to uncheck use entire disk.
[08:10] <rredd4> :(
[08:10] <GNine> interesting factoid , cdm10
[08:10] <cdm10> boselecta: yes
[08:10] <cdm10> rredd4: then you're sorta screwed
[08:10] <user_> You're full on partitions if they are all PRIMARY
[08:11] <cdm10> rredd4: if you have an extended partition, you can create a new partition inside it.
[08:11] <cdm10> rredd4: but if you don't, I'm not sure there's a way to create one and move an existing partition into it... you may have to delete a partition.
[08:11] <user_> You can use Gparted to add to one of those if there is free space. cmd10 is right on
[08:11] <boselecta> what directory is it in?
[08:11] <cdm10> directory?
[08:11] <boselecta> the video
[08:12] <GNine> what is a logical partition.. (and not in the windows way)  ?
[08:12] <GNine> :-P
[08:12] <rredd4> cdm10  i tried to rejoin the unallocated with the old one, could not see what to click to apply it
[08:12] <cdm10> boselecta: examples
[08:12] <boselecta> thx
[08:12] <cdm10> GNine: A logical partition is a partition within an extended partition
[08:12] <cdm10> rredd4: rejoin? you mean grow the old one to take up the space?
[08:12] <rredd4> yeah, put it back where it was
[08:13] <GNine> right
[08:13] <cdm10> Anyway, I'm off to bed
[08:13] <user_> Gnine do you have some free space on an existing partition to move some data and destroy a partition?
[08:13] <boselecta> gnight
[08:14] <GNine> thats what you consult gparted for
[08:14] <GNine> or whatever partitioning program of your choice
[08:14] <user_> You can create an extended in place for the 4th part and since it is extended type you can add many more logical type partitions into that extended.
[08:15] <rredd4> the other 3 partitions are being used
[08:15] <user_> being used = full ??
[08:16] <san> ubuntu 7.10 didn't detect the monitor correct on my notebook.. but I have no clue what type of monitor it is.. now I have a 1024x768 desktop. Any suggestions?
[08:16] <rredd4> no
[08:16] <user_> You could pick the smaller and move its data onto another partition
[08:17] <rredd4> GParted takes forever to scan devices.. I have waited about 10 minutes.  Booted from gutsy cd
[08:17] <GNine> !xorg
[08:17] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:17] <user_> then destroy it and create that extended to allow you to create more partitions and get over the 4 primary limit
[08:17] <user_> takes a while in live boot cd I know
[08:17] <rredd4> ok, waiting for gparted......
[08:18] <rredd4> i booted gparted cd.. was faster.  why is gutsy cd longer?
[08:18] <GNine> live cd is not as efficient .. bear in mind it is for troubleshooting
[08:18] <user_> Let that run in the background. Do you have the other partitions mounted?
[08:19] <user_> Live cd uses a lot of ram to run.
[08:19] <rredd4> whatever gutsy mounts...?
[08:19] <GNine> live cd depends on your RAM to run..
[08:19] <rredd4> I have 512Mb
[08:19] <user_> errr I think you can tell what your mounts are in gparted.
[08:20] <Quozl> 7.10 RC, PS/2 mouse, USB keyboard, mouse works in Live CD mode but after install mouse does not move.  Ideas?
[08:20] <GNine> that is barely good enough , rredd4
[08:20] <rredd4> whenever it is done scanning it... lol
[08:20] <user_> sure
[08:20] <rredd4> GNine ??
[08:20] <user_> 512 barely
[08:21] <rredd4> ok
[08:21] <rredd4> its the max for tis laptop
[08:21] <rredd4> this
[08:21] <GNine> you should try Xubuntu for it
[08:21] <user_> work much better on install, same issue installing xubuntu on gf's laptop
[08:22] <user_> partition resize must have taken an hour or better but it crunched away and worked. 512 ram on it too
[08:22] <GNine> i have plenty of juice to run kde or gnome yet am running xubuntu .. very much pleased .. but then again , am a minimalist
[08:22] <rredd4> maybe I should boot the gparted cd.. its faster
[08:23] <user_> I only added more than 512 to be able to run more vmware machines
[08:23] <rredd4> can i run vmware with xubuntu?
[08:24] <user_> as far as i know.
[08:24] <user_> I don't run vm's on the xubuntu machine
[08:24] <user_> another box
[08:24] <rredd4> wanted to run windoze in vmware so I can boot ubuntu and use windoze when I want without rebooting
[08:25] <rredd4> vmware server that is
[08:25] <GNine> i dont run vm .. cant help you there.. but i dont think there should be any trouble ..
[08:25] <user_> it works well for that, and with that snapshot feature.... instant rollback
[08:26] <rredd4> rebooting to use the gparted cd..
[08:27] <user_> gparted cd ?
[08:27] <rredd4> yup
[08:27] <user_> didn't know it was avail by itself
[08:27] <rredd4> boots too
[08:28] <user_> I usually use it in whatever linux live boot I am using
[08:28] <rredd4> not gutsy....  lol
[08:28] <user_> install it
[08:28] <rredd4> zzzzzzzzzzzzz
[08:29] <user_> package manager and search gparted
[08:29] <rredd4> i was, but I can't do anything with the unallocated
[08:29] <rredd4> an thats where i want gutsy to go
[08:30] <user_> hmmm maybe a gparted based disk would be faster without live cd in ram. Got a link to that gparted cd ?
[08:30] <user_> Probably something I should have known before now
[08:30] <san> GNine: tnx for the link but that doesn't help me much.. I just have no clue what my monitor is on this notebook. And besides the xorg.conf has a habbit to have multiple entries for device, screen and monitor?!
[08:30] <rredd4> user_  looking, I got it a while ago
[08:30] <GNine> am no expert but .. i dont think gutsy is the best thing for 512mb max RAM
[08:30] <rredd4> brb
[08:31] <rredd4> GNine, even with xubuntu?
[08:32] <quannum> guys, just installed gutsy on my macbook pro, and hasn't picked up wireless. i read madwifi was running out-of-the-box. any pointers on what i should be doing to make it work?
[08:32] <GNine> right now my system got 1gb ram on a 2ghz proc.  memory used at 432mb (active)
[08:32] <user_> 512 whizzed compiz around ok for me, but forgit it with 12 programs open and 30 browser tabs
[08:32] <rredd4> user_  http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[08:32] <user_> thanks for the link rredd
[08:32] <rredd4> yw
[08:33] <rredd4> i just googled gparted live cd
[08:33] <SkinnyPuppy34> My usual login
[08:33] <rredd4> ok, gparted is up and i grew hda1
[08:34] <SkinnyPuppy34> brb reboot after the update
[08:34] <rredd4> now, I click on hda1 and resize?
[08:34] <earlmred> hmm
[08:34] <rredd4> I have 69gigs
[08:34] <earlmred> another kernel update.
[08:35] <GNine> when reconfiguring X always choose the "automatic" setting.. it should detect your monitor. if it doesnt then .. check your manufacturer and choose your poison
[08:35] <earlmred> .43 to .46
[08:35] <SkinnyPuppy34> what is on hda1?
[08:35] <rredd4> sda1
[08:35] <GNine> sata , yay
[08:35] <rredd4> hda1 is my ide hd
[08:35] <GNine> on 512.. laptop.. interesting
[08:36] <rredd4> sda is what gutsy calls all hd's
[08:36] <rredd4> even if they are hda's
[08:36] <SkinnyPuppy34> I'd noticed that
[08:36] <rredd4> now, I click on hda1 and resize?  <---
[08:36] <GNine> well.. looks like you know plenty.. i feel like your done already..
[08:37] <SkinnyPuppy34> what is currently on hda1?
[08:37] <rredd4> xp
[08:37] <rredd4> i mean k
[08:37] <earlmred> wow, a full update to the kernel ...
[08:37] <rredd4> 2k
[08:37] <earlmred> just because of some sparc changes?
[08:37] <earlmred> that's ridiculous
[08:37] <SkinnyPuppy34> Lets see ... what are your other three partitions?
[08:37] <san> GNine: tnx.. will try that as a final option...
[08:38] <rredd4> swap, another flavor of linux
[08:38] <GNine> c'mon.. i like my swap..
[08:38] <GNine> (i like that its never used )
[08:39] <GNine> :-P
[08:39] <SkinnyPuppy34> what partition are you planning on destroying? One will have to go so you can create an extended
[08:39] <SkinnyPuppy34> to regain that other free space
[08:39] <GNine> oh jeez.. do not even dare touching that swap..
[08:39] <SkinnyPuppy34> no joke about that
[08:39] <rredd4> extended
[08:40] <rredd4> GNine  I won't
[08:40] <rredd4> using hda1 free space
[08:40] <GNine> even with one gig of ram i feel cozy with my swap
[08:40] <GNine> heh
[08:40] <SkinnyPuppy34> extended is a what lets you get more than 4 partitions
[08:41] <SkinnyPuppy34> 4primary is the limit, but an extended type can allow you to add more partitions into it
[08:41] <rredd4> SkinnyPuppy34  how can i use free space
[08:42] <rredd4> click on hda1 and resize??
[08:42] <GNine> alright.. space management 101.  a 40gig partition is a "good" one ..
[08:42] <SkinnyPuppy34> rredd take a few minutes and read this with regards to extended.
[08:42] <SkinnyPuppy34> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_(computing)
[08:43] <rredd4> ty
[08:43] <rredd4> hope it talks about gparted....
[08:43] <xnitex> hey all
[08:43] <xnitex> what command is it to search the apt-cache in term again?
[08:44] <xnitex> i need to search for libdbus-1-2
[08:44] <xnitex> ?
[08:44] <rredd4> apt-cache search libdus.............
[08:46] <xnitex> thank u
[08:46] <SkinnyPuppy34> rredd4 just a good description of extended vs primary partitions. You can't create a new partition to use gutsy on,and all you can do with the free space is to join it onto an existing part
[08:47] <SkinnyPuppy34> rebooting
[08:51] <SkinnyPuppy34> rredd4: that wiki make sense of the partition differences?
[08:55] <xnitex> (12:47:40 AM) SkinnyPuppy34 left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection).
[08:55] <xnitex> (12:47:48 AM) rredd4 left the room (quit: "Leaving").
[08:55] <xnitex> :|
[08:56] <SkinnyPuppy34> gotcha
[08:57] <duccio> hi all...i try to update my Kubuntu Feisty to Gutsy RC but...
[08:57] <duccio> i' can't...the message of error is 'can't install kubuntu-desktop'
[08:57] <xnitex> sucks for u :\
[08:58] <duccio> i've a Kubuntu Feisty amd64
[08:58] <duccio> installed
[08:58] <SkinnyPuppy34> Is gutsy going to be the next long term support?
[08:58] <duccio> someone can help me?
[08:58] <xnitex> no
[08:59] <xnitex> actually yes, google and wiki and ubuntu forums
[08:59] <xnitex> :] 
[08:59] <kristjan_> duccio: you came in bad time of day, nobody is around
[08:59] <SkinnyPuppy34> nightowlz
[09:00] <SkinnyPuppy34> more people in /ubuntu
[09:02] <xnitex> wanna screen shot trade anyone? skinnypuppy?
[09:02] <xnitex> :] 
[09:03] <SkinnyPuppy34> plain brown
[09:03] <xnitex> http://i21.tinypic.com/30sezox.png
[09:04] <SkinnyPuppy34> Grin for the misfits !
[09:04] <xnitex> :]  yeah lets have sex because of it
[09:04] <xnitex> hahaha
[09:04] <nickrud> !enter | xnitex and duccio
[09:04] <ubotu> xnitex and duccio: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[09:06] <FunnyLookinHat> For some reason openoffice dialog boxes go fullscreen for me... like for exporting a PDF or something
[09:06] <SkinnyPuppy34> This ones for you xnitex
[09:06] <SkinnyPuppy34> http://youtube.com/watch?v=QVfeLavkFso
[09:06] <nickrud> duccio: if you do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop in a terminal, and pastebin the error ...
[09:08] <xnitex> skinnypuppy34: i tried to pm u on here i'm using pidgin 2.2.1 though i dont know if you got it perhaps we could talk more i see with ur host name that we are state neighbors, perhaps could keep in touch and remain free source together, since I dont know many people that do? :D
[09:09] <SkinnyPuppy34> I'm on here 5 days a week atleast just look for me
[09:09] <duccio> i'm italian...this is the message of error:
[09:09] <duccio> I seguenti pacchetti hanno dipendenze non soddisfatte:
[09:09] <duccio>   kubuntu-desktop: Dipende: libqt-perl ma non sta per essere installato
[09:09] <duccio> E: Pacchetto non integro
[09:11] <nickrud> duccio: ok, it's saying that libqt-perl is not installable? available?
[09:12] <duccio> ok...i've installed libqt-perl and now it works
[09:12] <duccio> thank a lot
[09:12] <nickrud> ok!
[09:12] <boselecta> um i think youtube just hung up firefox
[09:12] <SkinnyPuppy34> xnitex: how did  you get your pannels narrower than the screen?
[09:12] <xnitex> right click on the edge
[09:13] <xnitex> "properties" til u see the one that says expand
[09:13] <xnitex> uncheck it
[09:14] <boselecta> hm on restarting it it's OK
[09:14] <SkinnyPuppy34> that was easy thx
[09:15] <cypherdelic> hello ive got a problem binding VBox to a tap0 bridge
[09:15] <cypherdelic>  the VM cancels booting immediately after Starting
[09:15] <cypherdelic>  the settings were  Interface: tap0, start: /home/cypherdelic/Scripts/tap0up.sh end: /home/cypherelic/Scripts/tap0down.sh
[09:15] <cypherdelic>  without Networkadapter mashine boots up normally
[09:15] <cypherdelic>  the scripts look like this
[09:15] <cypherdelic>  #!/bin/sh
[09:15] <cypherdelic>  /sbin/ifconfig $2 up
[09:15] <cypherdelic>  /usr/sbin/brctl addif br0 $2
[09:15] <cypherdelic>  please help
[09:16] <SkinnyPuppy34> That solved a problem for me, programs opened with their titlebar behind the pannel and I had to right click max or alt+mouse to move it from behind the pannel
[09:16] <xnitex> SkinnyPuppy34: <3 :]  no problem
[09:17] <cdm10> The gutsy cd has Wubi on it?
[09:17] <cdm10> I just noticed that.
[09:17] <cdm10> That's sorta weird.
[09:18] <xnitex> !Wubi
[09:18] <ubotu> wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users - more info is at http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html
[09:18] <SkinnyPuppy34> xnitex are you using any widgets with gutsy?
[09:18] <xnitex> hahaha
[09:18] <cdm10> it seems to be customized for the LiveCD...
[09:18] <xnitex> SkinnyPuppy34: no not yet, i'd like to, dont know which engine/prog i should use
[09:18] <SkinnyPuppy34> same here haven't yet on gutsy
[09:20] <kurisutofuaa> fetching 589 of 1014 packages  from a fresh install of 7.04 to 7.10
[09:20] <SkinnyPuppy34> xnitex: linuxcnc.org
[09:21] <kurisutofuaa> wow now I have to wonder how many more packages I will have to update after the restart
[09:23] <SkinnyPuppy34> I had to update two shortly after a update/reboot earlier
[09:23] <kurisutofuaa> lol
[09:24] <Geoffrey2> I'm just hoping the official release will work on my computer, as the RC won't...
[09:25] <kurisutofuaa> at-lest I average 105 kb/s on download
[09:25] <kurisutofuaa> so its not that bad
[09:27] <Geoffrey2> there seems to be a problem with the ATI SB600, causes Gutsy to lock up early in the boot process
[09:28] <quannum> anyone out there using gutsy and madwifi?
[09:38] <cdm10> Geoffrey2: Have you tried Alternate?
[10:10] <tech0007> is it safe to upgrade to GutsyRC?
[10:11] <WaltzingAlong> tech0007: some have done so without problems.
[10:11] <Ademan_> is there a .seen command or anything?
[10:11] <Ademan_> .seen mdz
[10:11] <Ademan_> guess not
[10:11] <Ademan_> i'm wondering when mdz was last around
[10:11] <cdm10> !seen mdz
[10:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen mdz - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:11] <gutsyNL> hello testrunning gutsy
[10:11] <cdm10> @seen mdz
[10:12] <Ademan_> hello
[10:12] <gutsyNL> the startup sound seems to be missing, do you all have that?
[10:12] <saintdesy> can I ask a question?
[10:12] <gutsyNL> or is that default?
[10:12] <gutsyNL> no start up sound ...
[10:13] <Ademan_> gutsyNL: i'd welcome the change frankly :-)  but i'm not gonna upgrade to gutsy until release so i can't really help you
[10:13] <gutsyNL> hmm, i will check system settings to see if its there at all
[10:13] <Ademan_> gutsyNL: do other sounds play?
[10:13] <saintdesy> so I got a new monitor today and decided to jump on to Gusty a bit early because of the easier dual monitor setup
[10:14] <gutsyNL> oh yes sound works great, but no login sound
[10:14] <saintdesy> But is there a way to not have a single desktop span both monitors?
[10:14] <WaltzingAlong> !dualmonitors
[10:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dualmonitors - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:14] <tech0007> is there compiz support for via video?
[10:15] <saintdesy> Stuff looks pretty awful spanned over two different sized monitors
[10:15] <gutsyNL> hmm, strange its there, just did not hear it at bootup...
[10:15] <saintdesy> thanks. check it
[10:15] <saintdesy> err
[10:15] <saintdesy> checking it
[10:15] <gutsyNL>  ah well okey no problem i guess...
[10:16] <gutsyNL> going to test nvidia drivers install... see you all around..
[10:17] <saintdesy> My compiz install got boned to while I was at it
[10:17] <saintdesy> I had an emerald theme that went bye bye
[10:19] <tech0007> saintdesy...do u have via?
[10:20] <saintdesy> nvidia
[10:21] <saintdesy> ugh..looks like I'm going to have to go dicking around in my xorg.conf
[10:22] <tech0007> saintdesy....good for u
[10:22] <tech0007> saintdesy....i mean d nvidia card:-D
[10:23] <saintdesy> Yeah
[10:23] <saintdesy> It has saved me some trouble
[10:24] <saintdesy> ugh...never mind
[10:24] <saintdesy> Something else wrong now
[10:24] <saintdesy> "You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server. "
[10:25] <saintdesy> Thats news to me
[10:26] <saintdesy> I wish I could downgrade. I have been at this for way too long
[10:27] <emanuelez> am i the only one facing problems with gdm? the system keeps telling me that the greeter application crashed. any hint?
[10:27] <saintdesy> gonna try something, brb
[10:27] <Eq|work> saintdesy : got nvidia-glx-new installed?
[10:28] <tech0007> saintdesy....that's a good question...how do we downgrade back to feisty?
[10:28] <Eq|work> tech0007 : you download the feisty installer, make a backup of your homedir, and install.
[10:29] <Eq|work> same downgrade path as with any distro.. or any os for that matter.
[10:29] <tech0007> Eq|work....no apt-get to downgrade?
[10:29] <xnitex> that would be too easy >.<
[10:30] <xnitex> XD
[10:30] <xnitex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYzGz3UkItw
[10:34] <saintdesy> yes, I do have nvidia-glx-new
[10:34] <saintdesy> and I just did something that stopped my icons and panels from appearing
[10:35] <saintdesy> I suppose that is what I get for listening to an error message
[10:36] <saintdesy> And it STILL says I am not using the nvidia X driver
[10:36] <saintdesy> Stupid nvidia settings
[10:37] <saintdesy> brb, reverting to backup xorg.conf
[10:45] <saintdesy> this is really making my head pop
[10:46] <chimaera> hi
[10:46] <gutsyNL> hello again
[10:46] <gutsyNL> the gnash - flash plugin installer cannot find the software in firefox ...
[10:47] <gutsyNL> is this again an known bug?
[10:47] <saintdesy> is there a way to force an install to go back through the detection/setup process without doing a tear-down?
[10:47] <chimaera> i'm experiencing hangs on shutdown. after the splash i get some networkmanager relates messages and then the box just sits there.
[10:48] <hetauma> morningz
[10:48] <chimaera> gutsyNL: installed the mozilla-plugin for gnash?
[10:48] <fritzs> How do I mount a NFS share in 7.10 using the GUI?
[10:49] <hetauma> any ideas why I can't set a framebuffer? I have tried many values even 769 which is 640x480 8bit and all I get is blank screen till X loads
[10:49] <gutsyNL> yes i treid gnash
[10:49] <hetauma> !framebuffer
[10:49] <ubotu> If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[10:49] <gutsyNL> but it failed to download , it say's
[10:49] <gutsyNL> cannot find the package
[10:49] <gutsyNL> then i treid flash, same thing
[10:50] <gutsyNL> i now manually installed it, but i hope they fix it before release
[10:52] <gutsyNL> oh   , its that late already...
[10:53] <gutsyNL> got to go to work, any way, please pass on the message gutsy rc1 , plugin of flash / gnash download did not work, could be temporary problem, due to servers offline..
[10:53] <gutsyNL> who knows...
[10:53] <gutsyNL> other wise the message wil be , manually install the plugin...
[10:54] <gutsyNL> got to run , see you all later ...this night
[10:54] <gutsyNL> bye for now
[10:58] <emanuelez> hello
[10:59] <emanuelez> i have an nvidia card and nvidia drivers running. still no desktop effects are available and when i try to turn them on it just tells me that they cannot be activated. any hint?
[11:01] <saintdesy> hmm, I read the answer to your problem about 7 hours ago, but my brain is so fried I can't remember it
[11:01] <emanuelez> saintdesy, :) monday morning uh?
[11:01] <hetauma> is there any known issues with framebuffer in gutsy?
[11:02] <saintdesy> Well, the middle of yesterday I borrrowed a monitor from someone
[11:02] <saintdesy> And then upgraded to make it "easy" to do dual head
[11:02] <saintdesy> Then I realized that the only dual-head types you could pick were mirroring, which is useless
[11:03] <albert23> hetauma: yes, there is
[11:03] <emanuelez> saintdesy, i'm having two monitors working fine here
[11:03] <saintdesy> Or spanning, which is making a giant blind spot
[11:03] <saintdesy> because one is way smaller than the other
[11:03] <albert23> hetauma: bug 129910
[11:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in initramfs-tools "tty[1-6]  are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [Critical,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129910
[11:03] <saintdesy> When you maximize something, does it use up both monitors?
[11:03] <hetauma> albert23, can u remember the bug report?
[11:04] <hetauma> albert23, thanx :D
[11:04] <emanuelez> saintdesy, nope, just one
[11:04] <saintdesy> I wish I were you
[11:05] <saintdesy> Did you have to manually rewrite your .conf file
[11:05] <saintdesy> ?
[11:06] <emanuelez> well... had some problems with gdm so i've been playing with xorg.conf a bit
[11:07] <arcticblue> On amd64 here and trying to do an "apt-get install mythtv-backend" and get this error: mythtv-backend: Depends: mythtv-common (= 0.20.2-0ubuntu10) but 0.20.2-0ubuntu9 is to be installed
[11:07] <saintdesy> I just want this to work, but in trying to make it work, I have pretty much ruined everything
[11:07] <arcticblue> Any ideas on how to fix this?
[11:09] <arcticblue> hmmm
[11:09] <arcticblue> Ok, how about this then...
[11:09] <arcticblue> Any idea when the 0.20.2-ubuntu10 package will be in the repository because I can't do anything with mythtv until it is.
[11:09] <bdgraue> if i try to start kde4beta3 in gutsy backports it give me an:  could not start kdestartupconfig, check your installation.  and after that it falls back to the login. i did all steps fond here: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php  . what can be wrong there?
[11:10] <saintdesy> Now my icons wont show up, I can't see the stuff in my panels, the bottom panel dosen't exist, and everything is f*'n ugly. That, and my nvidia-settings keeps telling me I'm not using the driver when the Restricted Driver Manager tells me I am
[11:11] <arcticblue> well, looks like there are no answers here.  guess i'll have to go back to vista media center for the night and try again tomorrow
[11:12] <saintdesy> Yeah
[11:12] <saintdesy> I think that is a good idea
[11:12] <gunashekar> savvas: hi
[11:14] <saintdesy> If I burn my home folder to a DVD, reinstall and copy the folder back, is it going to break a bunch of stuff?
[11:14] <odzx> any one having problems with tildas screen turning white on gutsy with compiz?
[11:15] <saintdesy> Not I
[11:15] <jhaig> If I have raised a bug in lanchpad for Gutsy, will I be notified when anything is done with it?
[11:15] <xnitex> mtd : blow me
[11:15] <xnitex> XD
[11:15] <saintdesy> You will just get periodically annoying emails forever
[11:22] <horsnelm> hi I'm having sound problems (well I'm getting no sound actually) in gutsy. (snd_intel8x0, Intel ICH5). Any ideas how I can try to fix this
[11:22] <WaltzingAlong> aplay -l
[11:25] <horsnelm> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[11:25] <horsnelm> card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5] , device 0: Intel ICH [Intel ICH5] 
[11:25] <horsnelm>   Subdevices: 1/1
[11:25] <horsnelm>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[11:25] <horsnelm> card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5] , device 4: Intel ICH - IEC958 [Intel ICH5 - IEC958] 
[11:25] <horsnelm>   Subdevices: 1/1
[11:25] <horsnelm>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[11:25] <horsnelm> (sorry for multiple posts)
[11:27] <WaltzingAlong> horsnelm: check the mixer settings that pcm and master are enabled and appropriately loud enough
[11:27] <horsnelm> WaltzingAlong: pcm and master are reporting 100% and not-muted in alsamixer
[11:27] <tekhawk> anyone have an idea where the default built in vnc server logs login request
[11:28] <tekhawk> the request made that would have made the pop up asking me if i want to let the user have access
[11:29] <tekhawk> the road running isp doesnt like screen shots to report abuse
[11:32] <hit> anyone using gftp here?
[11:34] <horsnelm> hit:yes I use gftp
[11:34] <hit> also with ssl?
[11:35] <horsnelm> no just regular ftp
[11:35] <hit> cannot get ssl to work
[11:36] <lachlan> can anybody help me set up compiz fusion in kubuntu?
[11:36] <tekhawk> hit: does the server support it and if so do you have the port they use for sftp
[11:36] <WaltzingAlong> !info filezilla3
[11:36] <ubotu> Package filezilla3 does not exist in gutsy
[11:37] <WaltzingAlong> !info filezilla
[11:37] <horsnelm> hit: sorry which server?
[11:37] <ubotu> filezilla: Port of the famous Win32 graphical FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0.0-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 827 kB, installed size 2176 kB
[11:37] <hit> i can't get gftp's ssl support to work
[11:37] <horsnelm> hit: ok beyond me sorry, not used gftp for much more than uploading to my web server
[11:37] <hit> somewhere was told i need gftp-ssl package, but i can't see in anywhere
[11:37] <kidalabama> hello i have got problem
[11:38] <tekhawk> hit: are you sure the server supports sftp "proper term for ftp with ssl"
[11:38] <kidalabama> my mail box coming this message cd /usr/share/dtc/admin && nice -n+20 /usr/share/dtc/admin/rrdtool.sh >> /var/log/dtc.log
[11:38] <hit> tekhawk: FTPS Support unavailable since SSL support was not compiled in. Aborting connection.
[11:38] <hit> installed gftp from repo
[11:38] <kidalabama> message text is cd: 1: can't cd to /usr/share/dtc/admin
[11:39] <bdgraue> arcticblue: 0.20.2-0ubuntu10 are in the multiverse now
[11:40] <Trewas> hit: maybe ssl-support is disabled for a reason, afaik libssl has some funny licensing problems with gpl code... and ftps is not very widely used anyway
[11:40] <hit> Trewas: ok, thanks for hint
[11:40] <tekhawk> ive never seen a server support it on most smaller host
[11:40] <Trewas> tekhawk: sftp and ftps are separate
[11:40] <lachlan> in KDE in gutsy where do i turn on compiz fusion?
[11:40] <kidalabama> i am taking crontab
[11:41] <WaltzingAlong> lachlan: compiz --replace
[11:41] <bazhang> lachlan: have you installed Advanced Desktops Settings?
[11:41] <tekhawk> sftp i thought was secure ftp which is what ssl is with ftp
[11:41] <WaltzingAlong> lachlan: ccsm
[11:41] <lachlan> no its a clean install i have been told compiz works out of the box
[11:42] <WaltzingAlong> tekhawk: ftps is ssl'd ftp but sftp is ftp interface to ssh
[11:42] <tekhawk> lachlan: yes and no lol
[11:42] <bazhang> lachlan: that's in Ubuntu; in KDE you have to install a couple of packages then you're good to go.
[11:42] <tekhawk> WaltzingAlong: ty miss placed lettering i see thank you
[11:42] <lachlan> how do i install advanced desktop setting?
[11:42] <lachlan> which packages?
[11:42] <tekhawk> night all
[11:43] <WaltzingAlong> lachlan: ccsm
[11:43] <bazhang> lachlan: compiz-config-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra
[11:43] <attunix> How do I upgrade to Gutsy from Feisty?
[11:43] <lachlan> can you please give me the apt-get command to install them all?
[11:43] <bazhang> oops compizconfig (one word)
[11:44] <tekhawk> isnt upgrading to gutsy a bad idea last i checked the upgrade breaks alot of stuff
[11:44] <bazhang> preface those (and note my spelling error) sudo apt-get install .....
[11:45] <WaltzingAlong> !info compiz-kde | lachlan
[11:45] <ubotu> lachlan: compiz-kde: OpenGL window and compositing manager - KDE window decorator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.6.0+git20071008-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 88 kB, installed size 228 kB
[11:45] <hit> i don't get it, why has gftp FTPS option, when it doesn't support it
[11:45] <tekhawk> hit: if that statment is true it could be  a planned feature
[11:46] <tekhawk> hit: or one you can enable tyhrough custom compiling that might break lisense
[11:46] <hit> i'll try to compile it from source
[11:46] <tekhawk> hit: to do with the ssl lib that was mentioned earlier
[11:46] <hit> tekhawk: ok
[11:47] <bazhang> lachlan: do you understand that?
[11:47] <lachlan> once all those packages are installed how do i turn it on
[11:47] <lachlan> yep i understand i just took time typing it in
[11:48] <tekhawk> lachlan: compiz --replace   will turn compiz on kwin --replace will turn it off in kde and metacity --replace for gnome
[11:49] <bazhang> you hit alt + f2  keys and type: compiz --replace &; probably a good idea to install emerald as well; then you can use that as the window decorator-- it's turned on with the same key combo: emerald --replace &
[11:49] <tekhawk> bazhang: is the & even needed when using a run dialog window
[11:50] <bazhang> tekhawk: just what I read, though I've seen it without as well :}
[11:50] <naught101> anyone here got any experience with knetworkmanager?
[11:50] <WaltzingAlong> !ask
[11:50] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:50] <lachlan> is there a comannd to see if its working?
[11:50] <naught101> true, sorry.
[11:51] <naught101> knetworkmanager keeps dieing, and turning off my wireless
[11:51] <naught101> light goes out, and then I have to run dhclient manually to get it to restart
[11:51] <bazhang> lachlan: once you have all the items installed and run the commands--then go to the manager advanced desktop effects settings, and choose the ones you wish.
[11:51] <tekhawk> bazhang: the & is just used to when running it in terminal to move it to a background status ( ;
[11:51] <naught101> ifup/down doesn't work, because
[11:52] <bazhang> tekhawk: thanks! good to know :}
[11:52] <naught101> Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[11:52] <naught101> same for eth1
[11:52] <horsnelm> WaltzingAlong: any other ideas about my sound issues? I know occasionally ac97 quirk settings need to be changed?
[11:52] <naught101> I get this is the syslog too:
[11:52] <WaltzingAlong> horsnelm: i do not know. sorry
[11:52] <bazhang> naught101: that should be ifconfig, or iwconfig for wireless.
[11:53] <horsnelm> WaltzingAlong: thanks all the same, back to hunting
[11:53] <naught101> 15/10/07 19:46:07	naught-laptop	dhclient	There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.pid with pid 134519120
[11:53] <lachlan> where is the advaqnced dektop manager? also i have now lost the ability to close and move windows IE no frome
[11:53] <naught101> bazhang: instead of ifup?
[11:53] <WaltzingAlong> lachlan: start kwin
[11:53] <bazhang> lachlan: you need to install emerald
[11:53] <bazhang> then use the alt + f2 emerald --replace command
[11:54] <bazhang> naught101: yes; then sudo dhclient eth1 or wlan0 (or whatever the name).
[11:55] <naught101> bazhang: but does that explain why knetworkmanager keeps turning the wireless off?
[11:55] <naught101> it didn't do it in feisty
[11:55] <bazhang> naught101: are you connecting via ethernet or wireless?
[11:55] <naught101> wireless
[11:55] <naught101> altough it seems to kill the ethernet sometimes too
[11:56] <bazhang> naught101: do you have ethernet plugged in as well as trying to connect wirelessly?
[11:56] <naught101> bazhang: mostly no, then it dies, then I plug in ethernet as a temporaray thing, and it doesn't work
[11:57] <lachlan> the start kwin command isnt working
[11:57] <naught101> the wireless light goes off, and everything, and it seems that only dhclient makes it turn back on again
[11:57] <lachlan> it says job unknow
[11:57] <bazhang> lachlan: advanced desktop effects manager is in the KMenu, under the heading 'Settings'.
[11:57] <lachlan> *unknown
[11:57] <WaltzingAlong> lachlan: otherwise the command is ccsm
[11:58] <kidalabama> hello
[11:58] <kidalabama> i havegot problem
[11:58] <kidalabama>  Cron <root@alp2-laptop> cd /usr/share/dtc/admin && nice -n+20 /usr/share/dtc/admin/rrdtool.sh >> /var/log/dtc.log
[11:58] <kidalabama>  cd: 1: can't cd to /usr/share/dtc/admi
[11:58] <bazhang> naught101: are you using wireless in roaming mode, or to a fixed AP?
[11:58] <lachlan> ccsm talks about a sexy python package is that a easter egg?
[11:58] <naught101> bazhang: how do I tell?
[11:59] <bazhang> naught101: do you typically use wireless on your home network, or take it Starbucks, etc.
[11:59] <WaltzingAlong> lachlan: no
[11:59] <naught101> I use a lot of different networks, bazhang
[11:59] <naught101> I don't generally go to starbucks.
[11:59] <bazhang> naught101: then that would be roaming
[11:59] <naught101> ok
[11:59] <lachlan> how come i dont get window fromes when i use the start kwin command? should i try start ccsm?
[12:00] <hit> got gftp ssl support to work but it gave some errors now
[12:00] <naught101> lachlan: try kwin --replace
[12:00] <bazhang> lachlan: kwin turns compiz off
[12:00] <lachlan> woot i have frames again
[12:00] <bazhang> :}
[12:01] <lachlan> but compiz is anow off aye?
[12:01] <bazhang> lachlan: now would be a good time to install emerald: sudo apt-get install emerald
[12:01] <savvas> anyone tried kernel image 2.6.22-14.46?
[12:01] <hit> tekhawk: got same error, any ideas? http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-networking/13020-ssl-problems-gftp.html
[12:01] <lachlan> emerald is installed
[12:02] <lachlan> i did that when i had no frames
[12:02] <naught101> bazhang: what do I learn from the fact that I'm in roaming mode?
[12:02] <bazhang> lachlan: first use the alt + f2 command compiz --replace, followed by alt +f2 emerald --replace
[12:03] <bazhang> naught101: I would disable knetworkmanager; I have had tons of problems with it; much easier through the command line
[12:04] <lachlan> hmmm that doesnt seem to work
[12:04] <naught101> bazhang: now that I know the dhclient trick, I sort of agree, but that's not very ubuntu, is it ;)
[12:04] <naught101> do you think I should file a bug? especially if you've had similar problems?
[12:04] <savvas> hit: hit have you tried libssl0.9.7 ?
[12:05] <hit> savvas: 0.9.8
[12:05] <bazhang> lachlan: if you have all the necessary components installed, that will work, provided you have the proper driver installed for your video card that allows for 3D effects.
[12:05] <bazhang> naught101: :}
[12:05] <lachlan> i think i have the right driver installed
[12:05] <lachlan> glxgears works
[12:06] <bazhang> lachlan: is the effects manager in the settings sub-menu?
[12:06] <lachlan> yes
[12:07] <bazhang> lachlan: and you have all the items installed,  using the alt + f2 commands does nothing--have you brought up the settings manager and looked at the key bindings for each effect you want, and tried them out?
[12:09] <comicinker> I have a little problem with tracker: it cannot find anything, but it is all already indexed. can somebody help me?
[12:10] <lachlan_> im back my power cord fell out
[12:10] <WaltzingAlong> !torrent
[12:10] <ubotu> Torrent clients: Azureus (Java), BitTornado (Shell with python front-end), KTorrent (KDE/Qt), rTorrent (C++) -  Bittorent FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
[12:10] <bazhang> transmission is nice as well :}
[12:10] <theAtom> Is it possible to install Opera on Gutsy?
[12:11] <WaltzingAlong> theAtom: yes
[12:11] <theAtom> WaltzingAlong, how? :P
[12:11] <bazhang> from guty repos: opera - The Opera Web Browser
[12:11] <WaltzingAlong> !info opera
[12:11] <ubotu> Package opera does not exist in gutsy
[12:11] <theAtom> Package opera does not exist in gutsy
[12:11] <theAtom> i tried
[12:12] <bazhang> theAtom: have you enabled all the repositories, including the ones that have commercial software?
[12:12] <WaltzingAlong> theAtom: deb.opera.com
[12:12] <WaltzingAlong> or canonical                deb     http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu     gutsy   partner main
[12:12] <comicinker> can somebody help me with my tracker problem?
[12:13] <lachlan_> my god this is frustrating
[12:13] <bazhang> lachlan_: patience :} we' ll get this going...
[12:13] <WaltzingAlong> lachlan_: then make it rewarding
[12:13] <theAtom> WaltzingAlong, tick gutsy   partner main?
[12:13] <lachlan_> yeah
[12:14] <lachlan_> you guys have been great im very thankful
[12:14] <WaltzingAlong> lachlan_: sudo aptitude install compiz-kde compiz-plugins compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-core
[12:14] <bazhang> lachlan_: have you tried tha various key bindings in the manager?
[12:14] <theAtom> whats the gutsy   partner main?
[12:14] <lachlan_> i havent got compiz kde
[12:15] <bazhang> theAtom: that's the partner sites that allow for avoidance of distro breakers such as Automatix..:}
[12:15] <theAtom> WaltzingAlong, where Matilda?
[12:15] <lachlan_> know do you know any of the bindings?
[12:15] <theAtom> bazhang, what u mean?
[12:16] <bazhang> theAtom: no need to go outside of Gutsy anymore to get everything working
[12:16] <lachlan_> all those packages are instaled WaltzingAlong
[12:16] <bazhang> lachlan_: try the key bindings?
[12:16] <theAtom> YES works!  after I selected gutsy   partner main, Opera is now available
[12:16] <bazhang> :}
[12:16] <lachlan_> what are the key bindings?
[12:16] <theAtom> bazhang, so what else does "gutsy   partner main" make available?
[12:17] <bazhang> lachlan_: open the settings manager, then check for each one you want to enable
[12:17] <lachlan_> kk thx
[12:18] <bazhang> lachlan_: if you have scale effect enabled, you can choose to mouse over a corner (top left, top right, etc.), or you can invoke certain key combos to do it as well.
[12:19] <lachlan_> no they dont seem to be working
[12:19] <bazhang> theAtom: stuff so you can do everything necessary for the 'full' web experience--flash, mp3, videos, etc.
[12:19] <bazhang> lachlan_: which have you enabled?
[12:20] <lachlan_> cube and zoom and all the defult
[12:22] <bazhang> lachlan_: in order for the cube to work, you have to increase the number of workspaces to 4; this is in General, desktop size, horizontal virtaul size
[12:22] <hit> savvas: do i have to add certificates manually maybe?
[12:22] <pvh> some update from after the kubuntu7.10 livecd and a few days ago has caused my laptop's wifi card to stop working after about two hours or use
[12:22] <bazhang> virtual. ugh. new keyboard...:{
[12:23] <bazhang> pvh: do you have an ethernet connection available to get fully up to date?
[12:23] <pvh> bazhang: yes, i figured it would be very transient so i didn't worry
[12:24] <pvh> bazhang: but it's getting very close to release now and i'm concerned other users will suffer the same problem
[12:24] <bazhang> pvh: was that the release candidate liveCD, or the beta?
[12:24] <pvh> beta.
[12:24] <bazhang> pvh: tons of updates for that one..
[12:24] <pvh> i'm actually running off the beta CD at the moment due to other problems
[12:24] <pvh> right, but it works in beta and is buggy in the current bleeding edge
[12:25] <bazhang> pvh: many fixes and breakages from beta to release candidate...
[12:25] <pvh> well, hopefully it'll be fixed before the World gets it
[12:25] <pvh> my apologies, but i need to go reboot this thing. excuse me.
[12:25] <bazhang> pvh: yours might have been the ones in the interim update period--are you fully up to date?
[12:28] <hit> savvas: nvm, got it working :P
[12:29] <bazhang> lachlan_: the key bindings for zoom are super plus button three (super is Windows key).
[12:32] <lachlan> i seem to bee freezing up
[12:33] <lachlan> bazhang none of the effects seem to work
[12:33] <bazhang> lachlan: which driver do you have, and for which card?
[12:33] <lachlan> i dont know the driver but the card is an ATI 9100
[12:34] <lachlan> i just assumed that it was a working driver because glxgears worked
[12:35] <bazhang> lachlan: you can check the driver by going to System Settings, monitor and display, hardware
[12:36] <lachlan> where is that in KDE?
[12:36] <bazhang> kmenu: system settings, etc (as described above)
[12:37] <lachlan> its says that driver is ati
[12:38] <rocky> this question has probably been asked a million times and i'm sorry -- but is svn and gdm currently having problems in gutsy ?
[12:38] <bazhang> lachlan: and you have run the alt +f2 commands again, after you got your window decorations back>
[12:38] <lachlan> yeah and they just take the decorations away
[12:39] <bazhang> then choose emerald --replace in the alt +f2?
[12:39] <lachlan> i only have winow decorations when kwin --replace
[12:39] <bazhang> err choose = type
[12:39] <lachlan> sorry?
[12:40] <bazhang> lachlan: that turns compiz off; when you have no frames, is when it is on; then you need to alt + f2 emerald --replace
[12:40] <bazhang> lachlan: this is after you have done the compiz --replace command.
[12:40] <bazhang> go to settings manager and check the box marked 'window decorations' as well.
[12:41] <lachlan> what i have been doing is running "compiz --replace" ( this takes away frames) then "emerald --replace" and nothing happens
[12:42] <lachlan> i just checked and window decorations wasnt picked i just ticked it and will try those steps again
[12:42] <bazhang> lachlan: and checked the box windows decorations? no need to repeat those steps:}
[12:42] <lachlan> it works thank i just needed to tick that box
[12:43] <lachlan> and now emerald is on
[12:43] <bazhang> lachlan: super + button 4 to zoom in-- or super and scroll wheel.
[12:43] <bazhang> lachlan: super is Windows key...:}
[12:44] <lachlan> i just lost the frame on Konversation
[12:45] <bazhang> lachlan: this is very cutting edge stuff; you'll need to experiment around and see what works and doesnt for you--though I would recommend the scale effect...:}
[12:46] <lachlan> looks like i cant move windows either
[12:46] <lachlan> atleast we are getting through it
[12:47] <lachlan> :P
[12:47] <bazhang> lachlan: need to check box 'move windows' in manager..:}
[12:48] <lachlan> ahh ok
[12:48] <bazhang> lachlan: and keep in mind that KDE4 (due in December--likely) will allow for OpenGL rendering, making C-F unnecessary..:}
[12:49] <lachlan> what is c-f?
[12:50] <lachlan> i cant wait for KDE 4
[12:50] <bazhang> lachlan: compiz-fusion :}
[12:50] <bazhang> lachlan: me either...
[12:50] <lachlan> kool so it will have effects built in kool
[12:51] <bazhang> lachlan: one would imagine that lots of gnome users will feel envy..
[12:51] <bazhang> :}
[12:51] <lachlan> yes
[12:51] <lachlan> and it has been a while since they have seen a major release with no new ones looking like they are coming
[12:52] <bazhang> lachlan: well, gnome 2.20 did just come out..
[12:53] <lachlan> but that doesnt really compare to a maojor release like 3.5.xx to 4
[12:53] <bazhang> lachlan: in three days time, this will be hardy heron support, and Kubuntu Gutsy will be in Kubuntu channel. :}
[12:53] <bazhang> true
[12:54] <lachlan> ohh i might try heron in a few months it will prob be to unstable and buggy for me at first even though all this PC does is look nice and play music
[12:55] <lachlan> and browse the net
[12:55] <bazhang> :}
[12:55] <lachlan> will u be upgrading to heron straight away?
[12:55] <bazhang> 11/29!
[12:55] <bazhang> or thereabouts (so rumour has it)
[12:55] <arcticblue> i forsee alot of "hardy heron" jokes.
[12:56] <bazhang> :}
[12:56] <lachlan> lol
[12:56] <arcticblue> every time i see that name, my sick mind mis-reads it :P
[12:57] <bazhang> hardy har har
[12:57] <lachlan> i really should be using Klikit Linux on my PCs but instead i run gutsy and windows XP
[12:57] <lachlan> i would drop windows but im a gamer
[12:57] <arcticblue> same here
[12:57] <bazhang> there is that :}
[12:57] <arcticblue> too many good games coming out right now to ditch windows completely
[12:57] <bazhang> !xbox
[12:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xbox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:58] <lachlan> lol
[12:58] <bazhang> :{
[12:58] <lachlan> i cant wait till Fury comes out on wedensday
[12:58] <lachlan> bazhang the cube works for me now
[12:58] <bazhang> yay!
[12:58] <lachlan> :)
[01:00] <bazhang> !nixternal
[01:00] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[01:00] <lachlan> thats classic
[01:00] <bazhang> :}
[01:01] <arcticblue> lol
[01:05] <lachlan> baz hang do you know how stable heron will be at the beginning coz i like to be in the cutting edge of Ubuntu
[01:06] <bazhang> lachlan: well, it is an  LTS, so I suspect that Gutsy will be more cutting edge.
[01:07] <bazhang> LTS=long term support, three years, lIke Dapper
[01:07] <arcticblue> i thought 2 years
[01:07] <bazhang> not sure arcticblue, three or two?
[01:08] <lachlan> dapper didnt end up getting that much support anyway. thats why mepis dropped dapper and went to debian
[01:08] <arcticblue> either way, it's still longer than 6 months.
[01:08] <bazhang> :}
[01:08] <void^> didn't mepis just misunderstand the meaning of support?
[01:08] <joshjosh> 3 years desktop, 5 years server
[01:09] <void^> for debian style distributions it usually just means security updates, not new versions of everything. that's what new releases are for.
[01:10] <lachlan> true
[01:11] <lachlan> does mark shuttleworth ever grace this channel?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> rarely
[01:14] <lachlan> i would love to talk to him oneday
[01:14] <Hobbsee> if ever
[01:14] <Hobbsee> there's an open week soon on, where you can ask him questions.
[01:14] <lachlan> whens that?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> w.u.c/OpenWeek, iirc.
[01:14] <Hobbsee> have a look
[01:14] <arun> is the video player crash issue fixed with compiz in gutsy?
[01:16] <bazhang> Hi Hobbsee1
[01:16] <Hobbsee> hiya
[01:16] <bazhang> 1 = ! oops
[01:16] <bazhang> arun: which player?
[01:17] <arun> bazhang: It's a popular bug with Compiz Fusion. Videos don't work with XV if compiz is enabled
[01:17] <arun> is that fixed with gutsy?
[01:17] <lachlan> hobsee are you the hobbs on klikit linux?
[01:17] <bazhang> arun: does it bring down the whole system?
[01:18] <arun> bazhang: No, it just crashes the video application... happens with any app.. totem, vlc, mplayer, etc
[01:18] <bazhang> arun: I'll try it out now...
[01:21] <bazhang> arun: well, it didn't crash, but unwatchable here :{
[01:21] <arun> bazhang: ok.. you're on gutsy?
[01:21] <nebriv> hello
[01:21] <bazhang> kaffeine, btw
[01:21] <nebriv> can someone help me?
[01:22] <bazhang> arun: yes, using kaffeine and compiz and just a band of unwatchable bleh :{
[01:22] <bazhang> !ask
[01:22] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:22] <nebriv> lol
[01:22] <nebriv> hang on
[01:22] <nebriv> I am getting the information
[01:22] <nebriv> again
[01:23] <bazhang> arun: I'm using Kubuntu, so your mileage may vary.
[01:23] <nebriv> I am having trouble upgrading
[01:23] <nebriv> I do the alt-f2 and type the  update-manager -d
[01:23] <nebriv> and it opens the update manager
[01:23] <bazhang> nebriv: gnome or kde?
[01:23] <nebriv> gnome
[01:23] <lachlan> can you guys remind me which extra packages i need to get com piz working in KDE?
[01:23] <nebriv> and then I click upgrade
[01:24] <nebriv> It downloads the upgrade package
[01:24] <nebriv> and starts upgrading
[01:24] <nebriv> then it stops on modifying software channels
[01:24] <nebriv> and says failed to get...
[01:24] <bazhang> !upgrade
[01:24] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:24] <nebriv> I am getting the url...1 sec
[01:25] <bazhang> lachlan: compiz alone? or compiz-fusion
[01:25] <nebriv> no I am trying to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10
[01:25] <lachlan> compiz fusion
[01:25] <nebriv> Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/partner/binary-i386/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[01:25] <nebriv> I get that
[01:25] <lachlan> just that list of packages i was given before
[01:26] <bazhang> compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra emerald compiz-kde
[01:26] <lachlan> thank you so much
[01:26] <bazhang> no worries, mate
[01:26] <nebriv> I have gone through my sources.list and removed the archive.canonical to see if that would fix it
[01:26] <nebriv> but it keeps coming up
[01:26] <nebriv> so I added them again and now I am not sure what to do
[01:28] <bazhang> nebriv: I'm using KDE, so the command here is kdesu; I believe the gnome equivalent is gdesu??
[01:28] <nebriv> for what?
[01:28] <bazhang> not sure about that. :{
[01:28] <nebriv> for updating?
[01:28] <bazhang> for alt + f2 update-manager -c -d
[01:29] <PriceChild> bazhang, gksudo
[01:29] <nebriv> umm
[01:29] <nebriv> yeah
[01:29] <nebriv> that one
[01:29] <bazhang> PriceChild: thanks!
[01:30] <bazhang> is the update-manager bit in quotes as well, PriceChild?
[01:30] <nebriv> nothing happens for alt-f2 gksudo update-manager -c -d
[01:30] <PriceChild> gksudo update-managed -d
[01:30] <PriceChild> that should work from a terminal fine
[01:31] <Abanta> ez :)
[01:31] <bazhang> nebriv: you tried from alt +f2; have you tried from a console?
[01:31] <nebriv> no
[01:31] <nebriv> I just tried the gksudo update-managed -d from console
[01:31] <bazhang> PriceChild: thanks!
[01:31] <nebriv> and got
[01:32] <nebriv> ben@Ben:~$ gksudo update-managed -d
[01:32] <nebriv> No ask_pass set, using default!
[01:32] <nebriv> xauth: /tmp/libgksu-qQ6itF/.Xauthority
[01:32] <nebriv> STARTUP_ID: gksudo/update-managed/10723-0-Ben_TIME53278999
[01:32] <nebriv> cmd[0] : /usr/bin/sudo
[01:32] <nebriv> cmd[1] : -H
[01:32] <nebriv> cmd[2] : -S
[01:32] <nebriv> cmd[3] : -p
[01:32] <bazhang> typ0  manager/not managed
[01:32] <nebriv> xauth_env: /home/ben/.Xauthority
[01:32] <nebriv> dir: /tmp/libgksu-qQ6itF
[01:32] <nebriv> ummm
[01:32] <Abanta> oh snap
[01:33] <Pici> !paste | nebriv
[01:33] <ubotu> nebriv: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:33] <bazhang> nebriv: there was a typo in your command; should be manager not managed.
[01:33] <nebriv> oh ok
[01:33] <nebriv> yeah sorry about the paste
[01:33] <nebriv> :(
[01:33] <arunkale> there seems to be a lot of excitement about gutsy gibbon
[01:33] <nebriv> new to irc
[01:33] <arunkale> in blogs and review sites
[01:34] <bazhang> :}
[01:34] <nebriv> ok so I did that
[01:34] <nebriv> and the update manager opens
[01:34] <AJ--> 3 more days for gutsy... is it ok to upgrade now?
[01:34] <Lynoure> arunkale: felt some... "argh, my hibernate no longer works!"
[01:34] <nebriv> but there is no 7.10 update
[01:34] <nebriv> button
[01:34] <arunkale> Lynoure: heh
[01:35] <nebriv> at the bottom of the terminal
[01:35] <bazhang> AJ--: from feisty via online, or fresh install?
[01:35] <nebriv> it says this
[01:35] <arunkale> Lynoure: long time, no see. how are you?
[01:35] <nebriv> current dist not found in meta-release file
[01:35] <AJ--> bazhang: via online
[01:35] <Lynoure> arunkale: A bit frustrated at work... currently concentrationless, otherwise ok
[01:35] <bazhang> AJ--: safe here; can't say for others.
[01:35] <Lynoure> arunkale: Considering leaping back to doing Linux gig work
[01:36] <AJ--> okies ... coz i want to try the new gnome style
[01:36] <arunkale> Lynoure: Sucks about the work. Are you using Gutsy?
[01:36] <kondor101> wondering if anyone has tried 7.10 on a msi mobo with built in gfx
[01:36] <bazhang> AJ--: it's nice.
[01:36] <MarcN> AJ--: I upgraded from feisty.  The only problem was with the X server configuration, I was running dual head at the time with my own xorg.conf file which probably caused the problem.  Switched to the single headed xorg.conf I use and it was fine.
[01:36] <Pici> AJ--: fyi, you will only be able to get support in this channel until it is released.
[01:37] <Lynoure> arunkale: at home, I am.
[01:37] <LiMaO> nebriv: read this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[01:37] <nebriv> already have...
[01:37] <nebriv> just read it
[01:37] <LiMaO> have you looked at the 'troubleshooting' section?
[01:37] <AJ--> ok ill just try to upgrade .. and see wat will come out.. if not.. then back to fiesty hehehehe
[01:37] <arunkale> Lynoure: How's the 3d effects working out for you?
[01:37] <nebriv> yes
[01:37] <LiMaO> it explains how to fix that problem you are having
[01:38] <AJ--> its so tempting to see the new features
[01:38] <bazhang> AJ--: good luck :}
[01:38] <Lynoure> arunkale: yes, at home I am. Not doing 3d effects, too much hassle on kubuntu and not enough need for me
[01:38] <AJ--> tnx
[01:38] <Lynoure> arunkale: Maybe after everything more important on my todolist has cleared :)
[01:38] <arunkale> Lynoure: ah ok.. i tried compiz fusion on ubuntu. it works fine for the most part, except that videos dont run with xv enabled, which is a big problem because i watch a lot of movies.
[01:39] <arunkale> Lynoure: I tried it on feisty fawn, i mean. Don't know if that issue is fixed with Gutsy, it's been a popular bug for quite a while.
[01:39] <bazhang> arunkale: not fixed here (in KDE-land)
[01:41] <kondor101> doing the upgrade now, a bit late to ask but is there anything i should look out for?
[01:42] <bazhang> kondor101: gnome?
[01:42] <kondor101> dunno if that was a joke but it sort of went over my head lol
[01:43] <bazhang> kondor101: kde or gnome for desktop?
[01:43] <kondor101> oh gnome
[01:43] <arunkale> hahaha
[01:43] <arunkale> :)
[01:43] <bazhang> :}
[01:43] <kondor101> use gnome with a few kde aps
[01:44] <arunkale> i was considering getting a mac mini, but i decided against it.
[01:44] <bazhang> kondor101: I'm on KDE, so can't really say.
[01:44] <kondor101> ok gotta close this, will be back soon on live cd i am sure lol, trying to repair it :D
[01:44] <bazhang> :}
[01:45] <bazhang> arunkale: even without 3d, it is very nice.
[01:46] <arunkale> bazhang: ah. nice :) what do you like most about it
[01:46] <bazhang> arunkale: very responsive, well-integrated, and stable (at least here)
[01:47] <bazhang> I just leave all the eye candy off--can't have that interfering with video :}
[01:47] <bazhang> plus the support channels are superb :}
[01:48] <arunkale> i just think that's the main thing.. if it's going to have 3d effects enabled by default, then new users can face lots of problems if video doesn't work. can be quite disheartening
[01:48] <arunkale> yeah, support channels are superb, i agree :)
[01:48] <bazhang> arunkale: no question; and lots of great things without all the bling :}
[01:49] <arunkale> yeah, but they should have kept the effects optional if something as basic as video doesn't work with effects enabled
[01:49] <bazhang> good point.
[01:52] <Abanta> arunkale: you can just start in failsafe graphics mode
[01:52] <Abanta> arunkale: from the install medium
[01:52] <arunkale> how so?
[01:52] <Abanta> uh there's a menu when you start from the cd
[01:52] <Abanta> counting down from 30
[01:53] <Abanta> first thing in the list is normal install mode, 2nd is without 3d effects enabled, called failsafe blabla graphics blabla mode
[01:54] <arunkale> yeah.. but failsafe is only if compiz doesn't work
[01:54] <arunkale> compiz fusion works fine for me on feisty as well.. just that i cant view videos
[01:55] <AJ--> compiz works perfect for me
[01:55] <AJ--> but the thing is i dont have the screensaver plugins
[01:56] <AJ--> but still works great
[01:56] <AJ--> lols this would thake hours to upgrade
[01:56] <AJ--> hahahaha
[01:57] <AJ--> 1220 files to be fetch
[01:57] <bazhang> wow
[01:58] <arunkale> AJ--: videos work for you with compiz?
[01:58] <sander> this screensaver plugin.. is it an extra package or does it require to compile c-f from source?
[01:59] <AJ--> arunkale: everything
[01:59] <AJ--> works great
[01:59] <AJ--> i can even play game
[01:59] <arunkale> what sort of  configuration do you have?
[01:59] <AJ--> i install warcraft and generals
[01:59] <arunkale> i have an amd x2 processor, and an nvidia geforce graphics card
[02:00] <flake> will gutsy include kde4 release?
[02:00] <AJ--> intel 2.0 processor 128 video card
[02:00] <sander> flake nope
[02:00] <sander> flake only beta stuff
[02:01] <flake> ok
[02:01] <sander> kde4 isn't out yet...
[02:01] <bazhang> not 'til December..
[02:02] <flake> compiz could be cool though
[02:03] <sander> flake it is :)
[02:03] <arunkale> i hope video works for me with gutsy
[02:03] <arunkale> doesnt on feisty
[02:04] <bazhang> is there a reason that open office latest updates are being held back?
[02:05] <Pici> bazhang: how are you updateing.
[02:06] <Pici> s/updateing./updating?/
[02:06] <bazhang> Pici: have updated through release candidate--adept-notifier says there are seven more updates, but when I run apt-get, then they are held back. Thanks!
[02:07] <ptn107> bazhang: mine were too, i just forced them
[02:07] <Pici> bazhang: What argument are you using to apt-get?
[02:07] <bazhang> ptn107: thanks!
[02:08] <bazhang> Pici: just the normal apt-get upgrade command should I force? Thanks!
[02:08] <tatters> anyone own a railink pci,usb or pcmcia card and got packet injection / monitor mode to work??
[02:08] <arunkale> Does anyone know if Virtualbox works with Gutsy?
[02:09] <bazhang> arunkale: it does, though you have to follow a set of instructions to get it going-- you can find it at ubuntu-tutorials dot com.
[02:09] <ptn107> bazhang: i think it was      sudo apt-get upgrade --ignore-hold -y
[02:09] <Pici> bazhang: An `apt-get dist-upgrade` should work.
[02:09] <bazhang> ptn107: cheers wiil try it!
[02:09] <bazhang> Pici: thank you!
[02:09] <ptn107> bazhang: but normall when i force held back packages i do a   sudo apt-get install <packagename>
[02:10] <tatters> been trying to install legacy drivers but trying to remove module give me errors " test@test-dektop:/proc$ sudo modprobe -r rt2x00pci FATAL: Module rt2x00pci is in use" how to remove module when in use?
[02:10] <arunkale> thanks for the link bazhang
[02:10] <bazhang> ptn107: will keep that in mind cheers!
[02:10] <bazhang> arunkale: no worries mate
[02:10] <Pici> ptn107: Theres really no need to do that, a full-upgrade/dist-upgrade will usually bring those packages in, unless there are true dependency issues.
[02:11] <ptn107> Pici: in which case dist-upgrade solves itself right
[02:11] <sander> does 7.10 support plug-n-play monitor?
[02:12] <arunkale> bazhang: that tutorial doesn't have anything new.. it's the same method with which you install virtualbox in feisty as well
[02:14] <bazhang> arunkale: ooh oh; didn't know that--thanks!
[02:15] <tatters> does /etc/hotplug/blacklist exist or does it need to be created first?
[02:17] <tatters> ubuntu needs a decent add/remove drivers and disable hardware GUI, takes 2 mins in windows 4 days so far with ubuntu and still no closer
[02:19] <Eq|work> tatters : what are you trying to do?
[02:20] <Eq|work> and afaik the blacklist thing is a module level thing, not hotplug..
[02:21] <tatters> Eq|work  remove my wireless card drivers and replace with legacy drivers but I get error /proc$ sudo modprobe -r rt2x00pci FATAL: Module rt2x00pci is in use.
[02:22] <tatters> Eq|work: how do i disable hardware so can remove?
[02:22] <Eq|work> because you have to remove the module that loaded it..
[02:22] <tatters> oh
[02:22] <arunkale> ok, looks like virtualbox doesnt work very well on gutsy yet
[02:22] <arunkale> :(
[02:23] <hit_> arunkale: works fine
[02:23] <arunkale> hit_: it does? version 1.5?
[02:23] <tatters> right so how do I find the module that loaded that module or just try every instance with rt2x00 in it
[02:23] <hetauma> whera are the .deb's that I download usually stored?
[02:23] <hit_> arunkale: yes, latest svn
[02:24] <arunkale> hit_: are you running the ose or puel version
[02:24] <hit_> compiled new kernel?
[02:24] <Pici> hetauma: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[02:24] <Eq|work> tatters : edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[02:24] <hetauma> Pici, ty
[02:24] <Eq|work> and put: blacklist rt2x00pci
[02:25] <tatters> Eq|work: does /etc/hotplug/blacklist file exist or does it need to be created first?
[02:25] <dystopianray> does anyone know if kopete is working in gutsy?
[02:25] <Eq|work> hotplug/backlist isn't the right file
[02:25] <Eq|work> and /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist might exist, it might not
[02:25] <tatters> ok so if not I just create one?
[02:26] <Eq|work> yeah
[02:26] <tatters> k
[02:27] <m1ke> My friend made a script for me, to automatically update and install without having me to be prompted.  I don't think it works in Gutsy cause I am still getting daily notifications that prompt me.  Plus i set software sources updater to check weekly in GUI.  I cant get a hold of my friend at this time for him to remove his script.  Anyone have any ideas besides just wait for him to come around?
[02:27] <Eq|work> m1ke : stop using it
[02:28] <m1ke> EqUaTe, how?
[02:28] <Eq|work> why would you not want to be prompted about updates? especially on a distro that's still in development?
[02:29] <ptn107> when gutsy final is releases to i need to clean install or can i do an apt-get upgrade / dist-upgrade ?
[02:29] <ptn107> *ignore grammar
[02:29] <m1ke> EqUaTe, I think the prompt is annoying, and I dont read change log anyways.
[02:29] <Eq|work> apt should do fine, i believe
[02:30] <Pici> ptn107: just upgrade.
[02:30] <Pici> ptn107: Er, I mean, you  dont need to do a fresh install.
[02:30] <tatters> Eq|work: the blacklist file existed I added the 2x00pci  guess then this requires a reboot to work or is there another to unload them drivers?
[02:31] <Eq|work> tatters : did you add it as rt2x00pci ?
[02:31] <Eq|work> you should be able to figure out which modules you need to unload using lsmod..
[02:31] <Eq|work> and make sure that that is the correct module
[02:33] <tatters> sry yup added it as  "blacklist rti2x00pci "  there is another item in module "rt2x00lib "  should I also add that to blacklist??
[02:37] <fredo> Hi! I can't generate plots/graphs in Gnumeric, the plot type list is simly empty.
[02:37] <fredo> Can anybody confirm this?
[02:38] <fredo> This would be a quite critical bug, since gnumeric is the default spreadsheet application in Xubuntu.
[02:48] <addos> I see a list of plot types on ubuntu
[02:51] <addos> and I am using gnumeric 1.7.11
[02:56] <fredo> addos: It seems to be related to the upgrade from feisty.
[02:56] <Meroigo> Hello, I installed Gutsy now. I have two screens. Isn't my secondary screen supposed to show up in System->Administration->Screens and graphics? :p
[02:56] <Meroigo> when it had rebooted, now the same picture is on both screens.
[02:57] <Meroigo> before I had two screens through a configuration in xorg.conf
[02:57] <fredo> I just figured out that I can fix this with "gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/gnumeric"
[02:58] <lloeki> Meroigo, what's your vidcard?
[02:58] <Meroigo> ATI Radeon 8500LE :P
[02:58] <lloeki> oh, then I can't help, sorry
[02:58] <Meroigo> ok
[02:59] <lloeki> with nvidia you would need to lauch their app called nvidia-settigns
[02:59] <lloeki> maybe there's one for ati
[03:06] <foxiness> * Mobility Radeon: X1800, X1600, X1400, X1300, X800, X700, X600, X300, 9800, 9600, 9550, 9500 "mine is 9200" if i would install  ATI binary X.Org driver is it will work or not?
[03:06] <lloeki> unlikely
[03:07] <foxiness> yeah :(
[03:07] <addos> I hate the x1400
[03:09] <Pici> addos: why? It works pretty well for me.
[03:09] <addos> it sucks for me, whenever I load xorg, and try to get to a regular terminal, the font is all screwed up
[03:10] <addos> it has pretty crappy vesa support
[03:11] <Pici> addos: heres my xorg.conf if it helps: http://pastebin.com/f7eda2864
[03:11] <Pici> You also need the xgl server installed.
[03:12] <addos> I just hate the x1400, it really isn't X's fault, so much as a crappy hardware implementation
[03:12] <addos> thanks for the config file though
[03:16] <henri_> hey all - i'm trying to upgrade to gutsy (kubuntu) - can i just change all my sources.list to say gutsy? as adept's being weird
[03:16] <henri_> i've never been a massive adept fan anyway
[03:18] <cyclonut> henri_: you should use update manager
[03:18] <cyclonut> sudo update-manager -c -d
[03:18] <henri_> isn't that a gnome only thing?
[03:19] <cyclonut> tbh I dont know
[03:19] <cyclonut> worth a try, no?
[03:19] <cyclonut> update manager fixes stuff that just using aptitude will not
[03:19] <henri_> hmm maybe, i'll have to install it
[03:19] <tech0007> i'm trying to write to a cdrw formatted w/ udftools (packet writing). i can only do it as root (sudo) but not as a regular user. i did sudo chown 777 /your/mount/point/.  any ideas?
[03:20] <quittt> hello
[03:22] <cyclonut> tech0007: no, sry
[03:41] <Ximal> hi all
[03:41] <Ximal> well... I got my partitions sorted out for any whom care.. lol
[03:41] <Ximal> used the live cd's editor to work it out ;)
[03:42] <cyclonut> congrats
[03:42] <cyclonut> ;)
[03:44] <RickyH1980> Hello, does Gutsy Gibson have a GUI to join Ubunto to a server 2003 domain?
[03:47] <daws> When I lock my screen for the night and come back the next day, why is my system sooo slow?
[03:49] <daws> anyone?
[03:52] <Meroigo> Why isn't my ubuntu using my xorg.conf? >_< After upgrading it overwritten my original xorg.conf, my dual screens stopped working, but I replaced it with a backup of my old, but it seems to ignore it because now dual screens doesn't work :( trying to restart X with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, that use to work when I configured X on feisty..
[03:53] <yeager> anyone else has problems printing stuff from yelp? can't find the document it says
[03:56] <Slasherx2> hi all, could anyone please help me setup this gimpy printer please? it's a Brother DCP-115C and its annoying me lol. I had it working in 7.04 with several hours of tweaking but when i upgraded to 7.10 beta it broke :/
[04:01] <Meroigo> So why does my Ubuntu ignore my own xorg.conf? >_< I want my dual monitors to work like before! :(
[04:05] <yeager> Meroigo: tried the new displayconfig-gtk tool?
[04:06] <meuserj> I'm having issues with network manager under gutsy... my nic works fine when using dhclient to bring it up, but network manager doesn't see it as being up, then any programs that rely on network manager to see the status of the connection don't work
[04:06] <Meroigo> yeager> yes, it only shows one screen :/
[04:07] <Meroigo> yeager> and I used to use mergedfb to have dual monitors, but now I read here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/44708 "others: mergedfb and xinerama-support has been deprecated in favor of randr-1."
[04:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44708 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "Dual Monitor Problems" [Medium,Incomplete] 
[04:07] <Meroigo> o.O
[04:07] <Meroigo> what is randr and how do I use it?
[04:08] <Meroigo> I upgrade to gutsy.. and my dual monitors stops working :( i'm about to buy two new screens. would be too bad if I couldn't use them!
[04:17] <IdleOne> any major issues with this mornings upgrade?
[04:18] <daekdroom> IdleOne: No.
[04:18] <IdleOne> daekdroom: ok thanks
[04:18] <daekdroom> Nicely, closed driver tool is working now =P
[04:21] <hetauma_> do any of u get the gnome splash screen when it loads?
[04:28] <IdleOne> hetauma: last time I rebooted was 3 days ago and I got the ubuntu slpash screen yes
[04:28] <IdleOne> morning Amaranth
[04:28] <Amaranth> howdy
[04:29] <IdleOne>  10:29:29 up 4 days, 10:56,  2 users,  load average: 0.50, 0.34, 0.20
[04:40] <kondor101> whey hey, I made it to 7.10
[04:40] <Slasherx2> me too but my printer broke :(
[04:40] <kondor101> lol
[04:40] <kondor101> hat printer?
[04:41] <kondor101> what printer?>
[04:41] <jhaig> I didn't  - bug in the installer means that grub doesn't get configured.  :-(
[04:43] <daekdroom> my printer isn't working here.
[04:43] <daekdroom> It doesn't print xD
[04:43] <daekdroom> and its software bug.
[04:44] <Slasherx2> sorry its a brother DCP-115C
[04:45] <Slasherx2> yeah software bug here too i had it working in 7.04 :/
[04:47] <kondor101> argh i hate the font its put on firefox lol any ideas?
[04:47] <billytwowilly> hi, is raid 5 reshaping still disabled in the kernel in gutsy?
[04:48] <livingdaylight> hey gusty gibbon on da way!
[04:50] <daekdroom> Slasherx2: I never tried using it with 7.04, but the printing software got updated twice since RC was released, it might be working now.
[04:50] <comicinker> somebody an idea why scim is not working?
[04:56] <logreeval> Hi, i just downloaded the gutsy rc and tried to use the rt61 drivers with a linksys wmp54g card, and it still doesnt work...
[04:56] <logreeval> does anyone know how to get wireless with this setup?
[04:57] <WaxyFresh> are there any problems running gutsy on a amd64? has w32 codecs and all that stuff been ironed out?
[04:58] <mc44> WaxyFresh: if you run 64 then the w32 codecs won't work because they're 32bit...
[04:58] <Dalton> does anyone know how to change the mouse click settings within Dolphin under kubuntu 7.10rc?
[05:01] <hetauma_> IdleOne, I wasn't talking for ubuntu splash screen but for the gnome splash screen
[05:01] <tbf> the performance improvements in gutsy: just the usual upgrade illusion? better drivers? better X11? better cairo?
[05:01] <IdleOne> hetauma: i guess I havent ever seen it load not sure what it even looks like
[05:02] <hetauma_> IdleOne, there used to be one in 7.04
[05:02] <Pici> tbf: why not read the release notes? They point out the hilights: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc
[05:02] <Toma-> tbf bigger numbers
[05:05] <WaxyFresh> mc44 what types of files do the w32 codecs allow me to use and are there replacment codecs?
[05:06] <mc44> WaxyFresh: they are windows media codecs and such. There are w64 codecs around but they don't cope with very many types I believe. Closed source for you :)
[05:10] <nomad111> hey everyone
[05:10] <nomad111> i am currently using gutsy rc1 on a laptop connected to an lcd screen
[05:10] <nomad111> and when i close my laptop lid
[05:10] <nomad111> the laptop screen remains on
[05:11] <WaxyFresh> nomad could this b e a problem with your laptop itself?
[05:11] <WaxyFresh> mine has options for secondary monitors in my bios
[05:12] <nomad111> no coz i remember that in the previous ubuntu that was not the case
[05:12] <andre> hey guys
[05:12] <nomad111> i am using a dell inspiron 6400/e1505
[05:12] <andre> I'm was going to install todays updates, but it tells me that a bunch of them couldn't be authenticated.... anyone else get this?
[05:13] <amadeux> yo
[05:13] <daekdroom> nomad111: put inactive time till the screen turns off to 1 minutes
[05:13] <nomad111> lol
[05:13] <nomad111> it should be instantaneous
[05:13] <nomad111> that is a workaround
[05:13] <daekdroom> blah
[05:13] <nomad111> hehe
[05:13] <daekdroom> but while you can't fix it
[05:13] <daekdroom> =P
[05:13] <nomad111> there is a bug i noticed with compiz fusion
[05:13] <nomad111> at least on my system
[05:14] <daekdroom> i have no idea how compiz fusion is.
[05:14] <nomad111> when i maximise a window on my external lcd it maximise to a certain area of the screen not the entire screen
[05:14] <daekdroom> i have the only one videoboard that don't support 3D acceleration T_T
[05:14] <nomad111> oh
[05:14] <amadeux> If I dist-upgrade from feisty to gutsy when it is released, will I have problems because I installed some backported compiz fusion packages on my feisty, or problems with any other software that I might have installed myself, that gutsy tries to install/upgrade?
[05:14] <daekdroom> nomad111: is the external LCD screen larger than the notebook's?
[05:14] <nomad111> yes
[05:15] <nomad111> 1680x1050 vs 1280x800
[05:15] <nomad111> 22" vs 15.4"
[05:15] <daekdroom> nomad111: did you take attention about that the windows large into 1280x800? =P
[05:16] <mc44> amadeux: I'd remove compiz first, and use the update-manager not dist-upgrade
[05:16] <andre> I'm was going to install todays updates, but it tells me that a bunch of them couldn't be authenticated.... anyone else get this?
[05:16] <nomad111> hmm i suspected that it was responding to the 1280x800 reso and not the current active screen reso
[05:16] <nomad111> ill check it later
[05:16] <nomad111> i turned fusion off anyways
[05:17] <nomad111> dont need eye candy as off yet
[05:17] <daekdroom> compiz fusion eats notebooks bateries.
[05:17] <amadeux> mc44: ok. But then I'd have to remember all the software I installed myself. I think I also have pidgin from automatix and maybe other stuff as well. Is the update manager smart enough to detect a conflict?
[05:18] <mc44> amadeux: attempting to upgrade after using automatix is usually not terribly safe
[05:18] <nomad111> daekdroom: are u going to do dist-upgrade on the 18th or are u going to do a fresh install of 7.10 final
[05:18] <daekdroom> nomad111: i installed it from 0 (RC ISO)
[05:18] <mc44> amadeux: I'd recommend checking their support forums to see if people have had problems upgrading to gutsy
[05:19] <amadeux> mc44: so the ubuntu upgrade feature is really onlu availble if you only install software from ubuntu repositories
[05:19] <Hobbsee> amadeux: effectively
[05:19] <Hobbsee> amadeux: automatix likes breaking your system, so...
[05:19] <daekdroom> Hobbsee: so i do sugest it.
[05:19] <tbf> Pici, Toma-: hmm, new intel driver. didn't knew about. still have i810 in my xorg.conf --- still X feels much faster
[05:19] <daekdroom> mirrors will be overloaded at 18th.
[05:19] <amadeux> Hobbsee: It hasn't broken anything here, yet. Quite the contrary...
[05:19] <mc44> amadeux: well kind of, however automatix seems to break things more often than people using a few third party repositories
[05:19] <Hobbsee> amadeux: did you dist-upgrade?
[05:20] <amadeux> Hobbsee: Nope. Not yet
[05:20] <andre> has nobody installed the updates today?
[05:20] <amadeux> Hobbsee: I am waiting for the official Gutsy release
[05:20] <mc44> andre: worked fine for me
[05:20] <daekdroom> i installed updates twice today
[05:20] <bintut> hello all..
[05:20] <daekdroom> and i had no trouble
[05:20] <Hobbsee> amadeux: it'll probably fail, because of the automatix crack.
[05:20] <bintut> is xen already in 3.1.1?
[05:21] <amadeux> Hobbsee: ok. Then I will just uninstall all the automatix stuff, and then upgrade
[05:21] <Hobbsee> mc44: i look forward to the day where we blcok all automatix users from using the update-manager
[05:21] <andre> mc44 and daekdroom did you guys have a warning about the updates being unauthenticated?
[05:21] <mc44> andre: nope
[05:21] <Hobbsee> amadeux: it's already done bad stuff to your system.
[05:21] <Hobbsee> andre: probably your mirror
[05:21] <daekdroom> andre: no.
[05:21] <andre> crazy...
[05:21] <mc44> amadeux: just make sure you back stuff up before upgrading ;)
[05:21] <amadeux> Hobbsee: What bad stuff has it done to my system (and how would you know)?
[05:21] <amadeux> mc44: of course
[05:22] <Hobbsee> amadeux: seen what it's done to others
[05:22] <Hobbsee> see !automatix
[05:23] <daekdroom> !automatix
[05:23] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> the killall -9 dpkg is particularly nice.
[05:23] <Slasherx2> i used automatix back on fiesty
[05:23] <Slasherx2> the upgrade went fine the only thing it broke was my printer
[05:24] <Slasherx2> but i dont think that was automatix's fault
[05:24] <Amaranth> Slasherx2: It's always automatix' fault :P
[05:25] <Hobbsee> what annoys me is why they changed back from UUIDs - and then we get bugs saying "hey, my upgrade broke, grub couldnt find my /"  "did you change your UUIDs back?"  "no, what are UUIDs?"  "did you use automatix?"  "yes"  "then it broke your system"
[05:25] <amadeux> Hobbsee: Oh, so you have seen it break stuff. But that doesn't mean it has broken stuff here. Your logic is flawed. Automatix have provided me with needed features, not broken anything
[05:25] <Hobbsee> amadeux: you havent tried updating yet :P
[05:25] <Hobbsee> still, it's not like you can report bugs with it installed now anyway.
[05:26] <amadeux> Hobbsee: updating what?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> amadeux: to gutsy
[05:26] <Hobbsee> so, your problems become your own fault.
[05:26] <amadeux> Hobbsee: true. But I don't think anybody is saying that upgrading fromf feisty+automatix is supported
[05:27] <amadeux> Hobbsee: the moment some more kosher source provides the same stuff as automatix, I will switch
[05:27] <Hobbsee> medibuntu's not doing a bad job
[05:27] <Hobbsee> and the codec stuff helps
[05:27] <MTecknology> do I just need to wait for this fix to be released? http://pastebin.ca/737606
[05:27] <daekdroom> Printing software got updated 3 times today.
[05:27] <daekdroom> I think it's working nice now.
[05:27] <Amaranth> amadeux: People use automatix, upgrade, and blame us for their problems
[05:28] <Amaranth> MTecknology: Did you file a bug?
[05:28] <amadeux> Amaranth: Did I do that?
[05:28] <Amaranth> MTecknology: It won't be fixed until sometime after the gutsy release, if at all
[05:28] <Amaranth> amadeux: Doesn't matter
[05:28] <daekdroom> damn
[05:28] <MTecknology> Amaranth, Why??
[05:29] <Amaranth> !info secvpn
[05:29] <MTecknology> Amaranth, it's an error when I try to upgrade
[05:29] <amadeux> Amaranth: of course it does. Why are you telling me, otherwise?
[05:29] <ubotu> secvpn: Secure Virtual Private Network. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.20 (gutsy), package size 218 kB, installed size 388 kB
[05:29] <daekdroom> Can i use Epson Stylus CX5400 driver with my CX5600 model? (there's no CX5600 driver =P)
[05:29] <amadeux> Hobbsee: I will checkout medibuntu
[05:29] <Amaranth> MTecknology: It's a broken universe package
[05:29] <Amaranth> MTecknology: Not something to block the release over
[05:30] <MTecknology> o ya... 3 more days :P
[05:30] <daekdroom> Don't you mean 4?
[05:30] <amadeux> Hobbsee: There seem to be a large fragmented field of such providers. EasyUbuntu I think one was called?
[05:30] <Amaranth> daekdroom: 18th
[05:30] <MTecknology> daekdroom, it's the 15th here :S
[05:30] <Hobbsee> amadeux: yeah, but most of their stuff got obsoleted with the easy codecs
[05:30] <Amaranth> MTecknology: I think it is everywhere by now
[05:30] <amadeux> Hobbsee: ok
[05:30] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: that should probbably be removed from ubuntu, actually
[05:30] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: oh?
[05:31] <MTecknology> Amaranth, I'll file a bug on it then - I just figured somebody else may have come in here already
[05:31] <Amaranth> !info secvpn dapper
[05:31] <ubotu> secvpn: Secure Virtual Private Network. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.20 (dapper), package size 218 kB, installed size 388 kB
[05:31] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: secvpn
[05:31] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: Oh, I see why
[05:31] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: no initab in ubuntu.
[05:31] <bintut> hhmmm.. wengo phone is still broken on gutsy
[05:31] <wastedfluid> Anyone here familiar with s2disk?  After the 7.10 upgrade, it just no longer works.  It won't accept the UUID as the swap device.. but it'll accept /dev/hda5, and then it won't hibernate.
[05:31] <gunashekar> hi
[05:31] <daekdroom> what's the name of that package with M$ fonts?
[05:31] <Amaranth> daekdroom: msttcorefonts
[05:31] <Pici> daekdroom: mstcorefonts
[05:32] <MTecknology> Hobbsee, does that mean I shouldn't file a bug on it and just wait for it to be fixed up?
[05:32] <daekdroom> thanks =P
[05:32] <Amaranth> MTecknology: Do you use secvpn?
[05:32] <MTecknology> yes
[05:32] <Pici> But spelt correctly.
[05:32] <lee__> eh if any one wants to truely test there suround cards and base abiility try the cekt ic station  Albannach I can gurantee you it will test everything from base to vocals
[05:32] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: there's probably already a bug.  check it, if not, file one
[05:32] <lee__> and leave you drooling lol
[05:32] <MTecknology> but I won't need it for a few days
[05:32] <Amaranth> MTecknology: doesn't NetworkManager manage VPNs?
[05:32] <cdr> hi, i am trying to update from feisty to gutsy, but gksudo update-manager -c -d does not prompt for installing gutsy, can anybody help?
[05:33] <amadeux> Hobbsee: Also, will medibuntu or automatix or... work right away with gutsy?
[05:33] <MTecknology> Amaranth, yes, but not quite what I need for work
[05:33] <Amaranth> amadeux: no
[05:33] <amadeux> Amaranth: ok
[05:33] <Amaranth> MTecknology: Hobbsee is saying that package should be completely removed :P
[05:33] <lee__> any how..is there a wrok around for the failed drivers of the ati leaves you in the "the black screen of death"..I submited a bug reprot
[05:33] <Amaranth> amadeux: Please stop talking about them
[05:33] <Amaranth> lee__: on resume from suspend or something?
[05:34] <MTecknology> Amaranth, eh... I actually need it, please don't make me start using third party repos over it :P
[05:34] <amadeux> Amaranth: Why?
[05:34] <Hobbsee> amadeux: you'd really have to ask them that...
[05:34] <lee__> Amaranth on intial set up
[05:34] <amadeux> Hobbsee: true
[05:34] <Amaranth> lee__: Oh, you have an X1xxx
[05:34] <MTecknology> anyway - ttyal
[05:34] <Amaranth> or a Radeon HD
[05:35] <MTecknology> I reported it, bug 152968 - pretty simple :D
[05:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152968 in secvpn "[gutsy]  secvpn upgrade" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/152968
[05:35] <Amaranth> lee__: You have to install using the alternative CD and then install and enable fglrx from a command line
[05:35] <lee__> Amaranth an x300, the funny thing in 32 bit mode I can run the driver I loaded lol..in 64 bit forget it
[05:35] <Amaranth> oh, x300
[05:35] <Amaranth> that should work fine
[05:35] <Amaranth> never heard of anyone having problems with it
[05:35] <lee__> Amaranth eh ok how do I create an alternate cd?
[05:35] <Amaranth> lee__: forget about it, different problem
[05:36] <lee__> yeah when I first loaded it it said chose amd something raaaather but I couldnt see it
[05:37] <vo> hi. anyone know about the jmicron SATA bug with grub that makes you have to use irqpoll in your kernel parameters?
[05:37] <Amaranth> vo: With gutsy?
[05:37] <bintut> please check this out!  =>  http://files-upload.com/files/563862/gutsy_wengo.png
[05:37] <vo> Amaranth, yes, and with previous versions as well
[05:38] <vo> i'm just curious if anyone still sees it in gutsy or if it will eventually be fixed. it actually causes a second problem with booting Windows XP
[05:38] <Amaranth> vo: No idea, I thought that was fixed in feisty
[05:38] <gesker> Anyone know if there is an ETA on the sun-java6-plugin package?
[05:38] <lee__> any how , iam jsut wonder why on the 32 bit I can run the drivers but in 64 bit it well.. dies lol
[05:39] <lee__> well maybe when the final version comes out
[05:39] <mc44> lee__: do you have a compelling reason to use 64bit?
[05:39] <mc44> otherwise you should just stick with 32bit
[05:39] <lee__> other then this one issue i am totally ready to kiss windows bye bye
[05:40] <bintut> http://xenbits.xensource.com/xen-3.1-testing.hg
[05:40] <vo> Amaranth: thanks. i can get by now by using NTLDR to dual boot Ubuntu and WinXP. I would prefer to use grub, but it will do for now.
[05:40] <lee__> I edit video and like to render as well as like to play with 3d models
[05:40] <Amaranth> lee__: Do you have more than 4GB of memory?
[05:40] <lee__> rendering viodeo alone is the main reason 32 bits is a bit slow
[05:41] <lee__> Not yet
[05:41] <Amaranth> Then I don't see how 64-bit would help
[05:41] <lee__> ?
[05:41] <lee__> eh does it sahre the thing?
[05:42] <lee__> my cards got 256 meg in it alone
[05:42] <vo> lee__: 64 bit won't help you.
[05:42] <lee__> ah ok
[05:42] <daekdroom> 32 bits limits you to have 4GB of memory in your machine (PCI stuff + Video board + RAM)
[05:42] <bintut> wengophone when launched will cover 80% to 90% of the desktop. it doesn't even have a window border.  check this out !  =>  http://files-upload.com/files/563862/gutsy_wengo.png
[05:42] <lee__> well I ll dl the 32 bit version of Kubuntu then
[05:43] <lee__> heck its the only thing that was stable on my sytem
[05:43] <bintut> xen-3.1.1 => http://xenbits.xensource.com/xen-3.1-testing.hg
[05:43] <lee__> ubuntu in guts mode was pukey
[05:43] <Meroigo> I used the graphical interface for xrandr called "grandr" to enable dual screens... it works. But.. It doesn't stay dual screened if i reboot/restart x. So I have to open up grandr each time manually and reconfigure etc. :(
[05:43] <bintut> gtg
[05:43] <Meroigo> btw that new Screens and Graphics doesn't work well for me.
[05:44] <vo> i guess there are some advantages to 64 bit, like more CPU registers available for programmer use. yay.
[05:44] <lee__> that was theother reason why I wnet to it
[05:44] <lee__> irght now I have flash and java on the 64 bit lol
[05:44] <lee__> and it working
[05:45] <lee__> no breaks
[05:45] <lee__> ooh its update time
[05:46] <lee__> eh also faster speeds in down loading too lol
[05:46] <lee__> hey wahts an SVG viewer?
[05:46] <vo> it views scalable vector graphics.
[05:47] <daekdroom> Inkscape viewer or something like that?
[05:47] <lee__> oh wait there is an intel updaate
[05:47] <lee__> correction
[05:47] <lee__> there an x server intell thingy
[05:48] <vo> actually the only reason i'm considering switching to 64-bit is silly - it's because the Creative X-Fi sound card has proprietary closed source drivers and they have only been released for 64-bit
[05:48] <lee__>  in cluding an x.org video pprobe
[05:48] <lee__> heheee
[05:48] <daekdroom> i'm considering 64-bit because it sounds way better than 32-bit.
[05:49] <lee__> i will abmit sound sure sounds alot better in my sound system since I switched lol
[05:49] <daekdroom> damn it
[05:49] <daekdroom> i hate open office updates.
[05:49] <lee__> lol there puking out the updates like  fast and the feriouse here no more did I update taht they sent one more lol
[05:49] <Meroigo> can you downgrade back to 7.04 in some easy way?
[05:50] <daekdroom> lee_: it's the 4th time i'm updating today.
[05:50] <daekdroom> and i still have a half day to go
[05:51] <daekdroom> i hope they don't release updates 18th..
[05:51] <mc44> !downgrade | Meroigo
[05:51] <ubotu> Meroigo: Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[05:51] <Meroigo> hmmm
[05:51] <daekdroom> why would someone want to downgrade to 7.04?
[05:52] <lee__> waht is gutsy/main linux immage all aobut
[05:52] <Meroigo> I can't find any good information about how to use dual monitors with xrandr in xorg.conf... I can with the gui "grandr" enable my two monitors to work as they should, but that configuration doesn't stay when restarting x, so I have to do that manually each time i login. :( someone who knows something about this stuff or maybe have some useful links? :/
[05:53] <wastedfluid> i'd like to downgrade back to 7.04.. back when s2disk could hibernate, my volume keys worked.. and I didn't have to rig everything to make it work.
[05:53] <tapoxi> Hello, every time I restart my machine, it isn't using the DNS servers I set it to use (OpenDNS), it keeps overwriting with the ones it gets from my DHCP server. How can I stop this?
[05:54] <lee__> eh I am curiouse about something..eh I knoticed there is regestry files?
[05:54] <lee__> how can soemthing run with out reg files?
[05:54] <lee__> oh wait that windows thinking never mind
[05:54] <tapoxi> Secondly, I installed gutsy on my girlfriend's vaio, and there's a few odd screen artifacts. A serial number like brick in the upper left corner, and a flickering line going down the left hand side.
[05:55] <lee__> eh I am getting a main OS update it is huge
[05:55] <mc44> lee__: we don't need a running commentary, thanks :)
[05:55] <daekdroom> lee__: yesterday i reinstalled 7.10 and i had 171MBs of updates
[05:55] <lee__> its only at 21 percent  of its down load
[05:56] <daekdroom> and i'm likely sure you're updating open office
[05:56] <daekdroom> 56MBs.
[05:56] <lee__> yeoouch
[05:56] <wastedfluid> yeah.. open office was a big one.
[05:56] <wastedfluid> so was todays update.. todays was 92mb.
[05:56] <lee__> yeah
[05:56] <lee__> or more
[05:56] <wastedfluid> nah, todays was 92mb..  I think.. I'm pretty sure it was
[05:56] <daekdroom> i did upgrade 4th times so i had no trouble about that =P
[05:57] <daekdroom> *update
[05:57] <wastedfluid> well, I'm just waiting to "uswsusp" in one of the updates.
[05:57] <wastedfluid> until then, this laptop is almost useless to me
[05:57] <lee__> This is a dl of 135 mb
[05:58] <daekdroom> lee__: then i think i missed some updates.
[05:59] <lee__> yeah I just doubled check mines 135
[05:59] <lee__> lol
[05:59] <daekdroom> 56MB here
[05:59] <daekdroom> open office updates only.
[05:59] <lee__> hmm
[06:00] <lee__> eh.. I have noe idea I ahve everything form cupsy to that camera thingy
[06:00] <mc44> please stop going through what updates you have unless it's relevant to an actual support question
[06:01] <lee__> whats kghost view?
[06:01] <mc44> lee__: apt-cache show kghost
[06:01] <Pici> lee__: probably a viewer for postcript files.
[06:01] <Amaranth> wastedfluid: If you're waiting for s2ram you can stop, it won't be in there
[06:01] <lee__> was taht in any one elses updates?
[06:01] <daekdroom> lee__: ah, you're updating Kubuntu right?
[06:01] <lee__> yeah
[06:01] <daekdroom> ah
[06:02] <daekdroom> (K)ghost
[06:02] <daekdroom> =P
[06:02] <radge>  I used the alternate instal Cd of Ubuntu 7.10 rc1.  I know it isnt a final version but the partitioner didnt want to mount the NTFS file system of my Windows partition.   I have noticed this on all beta versions of gutsy.  Why is this happening ?  Have they stopped support of NTFS?
[06:02] <lee__> eh wahts it do though?
[06:02] <daekdroom> apt-cache show kghost
[06:02] <Pici> lee__: Its a viewer for postscript files.
[06:02] <mc44> lee__: run that command for any package to see what it does, instead of asking here please
[06:02] <lee__> ok
[06:03] <lee__> radge use the windows cd to delte all partiions and do not... create any partiosn with it
[06:03] <Pici> lee__: Uh.  Thats horrible advice.
[06:03] <lee__> Ididnt even know I had it lol
[06:04] <lee__> sorry, i was having the same issues
[06:04] <lee__> mI miss read the question
[06:04] <radge> lee__ why is the  windows cd rubbish at partitioning?
[06:04] <wastedfluid> Amaranth: I'm waiting for s2disk to be fixed.  It won't accept a UUID, it'll only accept a /dev/hda5, and it can't hibernate to that.  Besides, s2both replaced s2ram.
[06:04] <lee__> and I just woke up
[06:04] <lee__> any how when I had to load the os
[06:04] <dzzsky> Wouldn't't say rubbish exactly
[06:05] <lee__> I had to remove all my partions to load it
[06:05] <Amaranth> wastedfluid: oh, i saw you on the forums
[06:05] <dzzsky> just unneeded
[06:05] <Amaranth> wastedfluid: why can't you use /dev/hda5?
[06:05] <wastedfluid> Amaranth: hehe.  Yup.  Trying to get some help.. but I can't.
[06:05] <wastedfluid> It won't hibernate to it... it just stalls.  It refuses to accept the UUID..
[06:05] <radge> the only way i can get ubuntu on my machine is to install windows on a small partition made by its install cd
[06:05] <Amaranth> wastedfluid: and why do you need s2disk instead of regular hibernate?
[06:06] <radge> then use the linux partitioner to do the rest
[06:06] <Amaranth> wastedfluid: I don't think it does any special tricks except let you compress and encrypt the image
[06:06] <dzzsky> yes
[06:06] <wastedfluid> The regular hibernate does not work.... it has never worked.  Well, it worked on.. 6.06LTS.  But after that, it stopped working.
[06:06] <dzzsky> to duel boot you have to install windows first
[06:06] <radge> yeh
[06:06] <dzzsky> if you dont windows will over write the mbr and youll lose grub
[06:07] <daekdroom> Grub Diskette go go go
[06:07] <dzzsky> you can reinstall grub from a live cd
[06:07] <lee__> thta happend to me
[06:07] <wastedfluid> you can always just reinstall grub.
[06:07] <dzzsky> just  put the live cd in
[06:07] <dzzsky> sudo grub
[06:07] <radge> so why isnt it recognizing the ntfs then?
[06:07] <radge> my 7.04 cds did
[06:07] <dzzsky> find /boot/grub/stage1
[06:07] <dzzsky> root (hd*,*)
[06:08] <dzzsky> setup (hd0)
[06:08] <dzzsky> should reinstall grub
[06:08] <dzzsky> if I remember correctly
[06:08] <Laser87> Hi!
[06:09] <lee__> me, i want to totaly do away with windows
[06:09] <radge> its not really as if i need access to that putrid disgrace of an area of my hard drive that windows...languishes on
[06:09] <radge> lol
[06:09] <radge> but it just more an annoyance
[06:09] <dzzsky> it should recognise your ntfs drive
[06:10] <dzzsky> is it only the installer or is it ubuntu it's self not recognising your ntfs partition?
[06:10] <radge> no the installer its self...i get to the partition bit
[06:10] <radge> and i set my mount point as /windows for the ntfs
[06:11] <radge> and i save the changes and a screen says cant mount it or something
[06:11] <radge> not sure of the precise wording
[06:11] <lee__> is he trying to dual boot?
[06:12] <dzzsky> a
[06:12] <dzzsky> radge
[06:12] <dzzsky> set it's mount point to
[06:12] <dzzsky> "/media/windows"
[06:12] <radge> ah hold on....i could just mount it in ubuntu its self
[06:12] <dzzsky> that should work
[06:12] <radge> yeh
[06:13] <lee__> so when you guys are saying that when windows sees grub, it acts as if its a maliciouse program and scrubs it orr what?
[06:13] <radge> where do i go to do that again
[06:13] <radge> somewhere in the dev folder isnt it
[06:14] <radge> it doesnt see it as a malicious program
[06:14] <radge> it just over takes the whole drive
[06:14] <lee__> oh, just just curiouse
[06:14] <daekdroom> It takes the whole drive if you use lilo too =P
[06:14] <radge> liek youd expect windows to do
[06:14] <radge> :P
[06:15] <dzzsky> it dosn't take over the whole drive
[06:15] <daekdroom> dzzsky: let us blame M$
[06:15] <dzzsky> just the first few blocks
[06:15] <dzzsky> windows assumes it's the only os
[06:15] <dzzsky> you still keep all your partitions
[06:15] <radge> yeh why not blame m$
[06:15] <daekdroom> Windows is wrong then.
[06:15] <dzzsky> there is just no way to boot into them
[06:15] <daekdroom> We have linux and that stupid piece of shit don't see it!
[06:16] <Pici> !hmy
[06:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hmy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:16] <Pici> !ohmy
[06:16] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:16] <daekdroom> so we blame it
[06:16] <lee__> ah... when i had set upt up i told grub to take over the entire drive next thing i new i had like abou 6 partions with nothing running
[06:16] <radge> What? we cant bash microsoft?
[06:16] <radge> oh come on
[06:16] <radge> lol
[06:16] <daekdroom> radge: M$ made Windows
[06:17] <daekdroom> windows don't think we're intelligent enuff to use linux.
[06:17] <daekdroom> So we blame M$
[06:17] <Tm_T> hey
[06:17] <Tm_T> that's offtopic
[06:17] <lee__> e can bash but we cant....use fowel language lol
[06:17] <Amaranth> daekdroom, radge: http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/ms.gif
[06:17] <radge> i know ms made windows
[06:17] <dzzsky> it would not be irc if microsoft wasn't bashed atlest once an hour :)
[06:18] <lee__> lol
[06:18] <daekdroom> lol
[06:18] <radge> we are all slaves to MS if we want a computer that at least is compatiable with other things
[06:18] <radge> i couldnt use linux by itsself
[06:18] <ponies-> microsoft didn't create irc
[06:18] <lee__> got to love it when windows leaves ya hanging...as it sits there hung
[06:18] <radge> i have to dual boot
[06:18] <daekdroom> radge: we could use mac
[06:19] <dzzsky> radge I used to duel boot too
[06:19] <daekdroom> radge: without 3D support i need windows.
[06:19] <dzzsky> if you want to play games
[06:19] <dzzsky> you HAVE to have a windows drive
[06:19] <lee__> nopers some fella about 20 years ago invented irc lol
[06:19] <radge> mac? they are as bad as microsoft
[06:19] <vo> I need Windows just for Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, Acrobat
[06:19] <radge> they want a monopoly too
[06:19] <dzzsky> mac are worse
[06:19] <dzzsky> imo
[06:20] <daekdroom> radge: but their system is faster than windows
[06:20] <dzzsky> atlest windows users know they are being screwed
[06:20] <daekdroom> Mac is safe and stable. I don't care if it monopoly if it does well.
[06:20] <dzzsky> I just cant stand the mac fanboys
[06:20] <radge> mac is ok if you can afford it
[06:21] <dzzsky> by far the worst fanboys ever
[06:21] <radge> paying way too much for the hardware
[06:21] <daekdroom> i'm not a mac fanboy
[06:21] <dzzsky> I never said you were :0
[06:21] <dzzsky> :)
[06:21] <daekdroom> lol
[06:21] <radge> i want a compuuter to do a job...not sit in the corner of my room looking pretty :P
[06:21] <dzzsky> radge
[06:22] <AirBender> I was using a Mac Mini some months ago for a couple of days, using unix style apps, but the system was a little unstable sometimes
[06:22] <lee__> that part is true... though off topic you guysany idea how bad they want to shut down linux and such...i have some other freinds ..one being a sisters freind who quit his job just because he felt ms was going to far in there progaming with the so called up dates
[06:22] <vo> Apple is like Sony. they pump out a lot of pretty looking, safe, and usable stuff, but overpriced in terms of actual technology
[06:22] <mc44> !offtopic
[06:22] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[06:22] <lee__> hmm i kinda like the psp lol
[06:22] <daekdroom> let's flood #ubuntu-offtopic with our chat then
[06:22] <vo> k
[06:22] <dzzsky> back to your original problem:  if you set the mount point to /media/windows and not /windows that should fix your problem
[06:22] <radge> i have been using linux off and on since ubuntu 7.04
[06:22] <lee__> yes unbuntu we understand
[06:23] <radge> and i have rarely ever hit a brick wall like i do with windows when somethign goes wrong
[06:23] <radge> its so configureable
[06:23] <lee__> this is my actul first time ever using something other then linux
[06:23] <lee__> i meam windows
[06:23] <lee__> i was to chicken
[06:23] <mc44> please use #ubuntu-offtopic for offtopic stuff
[06:23] <daekdroom> i never had linux in my home computer till 4 days ago
[06:23] <daekdroom> ok
[06:24] <radge> who wants to join me in a rant in off topic then
[06:24] <vo> anyone know how to turn off the bootsplash?
[06:24] <radge> ?
[06:24] <radge> :P
[06:24] <dzzsky> I am going to get called a ricer for this but I have used linux for about 4 years and uptill recently ran gentoo
[06:24] <lee__> ok
[06:24] <vo> haha
[06:24] <mc44> vo: remove splash from the grub boot line
[06:24] <vo> mc44: thx
[06:24] <reber> r> hi all. I upgraded to gutsy and xorg.conf doesn't work anymore in dual screen (ATI 7500). Any ideas ?
[06:25] <lee__> waht about viewing and comapring the new x.org files with the old ones?
[06:26] <dzzsky> I doubt that would help
[06:26] <reber> lee__, i restored my xorg.conf and it crash.
[06:26] <lee__> can't someting be used from those files when something breaks?
[06:26] <lee__> erg ouch
[06:26] <dzzsky> reber isn't bulllet prof x working for you?
[06:27] <AirBender> vo, I suggest you to read the menu.lst file in /boot/grub/ directory, and fin the setcion of default parameters, just before the automagic list of entries, and remove the quiet splash flags, then update grub
[06:27] <reber> dzzsky, X was working in dualscreen on feisty, but now i can only have single screen working on gutsy ...
[06:27] <dzzsky> there has been alot of changes with how x works from fiesty to gusty
[06:27] <vo> AirBender: thanks, i was looking at that too, wondering whether an update would overwrite my settings. thanks, now i know how to fix it
[06:28] <npnufn> in kubuntu 7.10, I am unable to start hdparm (HDIO_SET_DMA error).  how can I enable the DMA.  (Celeron 1GHz/256MB/40GB IDE)
[06:28] <AirBender> vo, excellent!
[06:28] <reber> yes, crapping changes ...
[06:28] <dzzsky> menu --> administration ---> screens and graphics
[06:28] <vo> i actually installed grub2 and it has a separate set of automagic scripts
[06:28] <dzzsky> there is duel screen options there
[06:29] <vo> /etc/grub.d/10_header or something is where i would do it
[06:29] <reber> dzzsky, running kde, where is this menu ?
[06:29] <AirBender> vo, Ok, interesting...
[06:29] <dzzsky> I am not sure
[06:30] <reber> or if you know the name of the binary ...
[06:31] <dzzsky> displayconfig-gtk
[06:31] <dzzsky> thats in gnome though
[06:31] <reber> ok
[06:32] <reber> dzzsky, the problem is that i can't click on "second screen"
[06:32] <reber> dzzsky, i already tried this utility, but it's no use
[06:33] <dzzsky> hmm
[06:33] <dzzsky> I dont use duel screen
[06:33] <DEADBEEF_> oh yeah, does anyone have a reliable fix for the 'no window decorator' bug in compiz / kubuntu 7.10?
[06:33] <dzzsky> you'd have to ask somone else
[06:33] <dzzsky> sorry
[06:33] <reber> dzzsky, i only have the choice betzeen 'default screen' and 'disabled'
[06:33] <reber> np
[06:33] <reber> it's crap tho, i might change this distro as i really need dualhead
[06:34] <npnufn> can some body help me in enabling dma on IDE drive (Gutsy 7.10)!!!
[06:35] <dzzsky> reber: why not just downgrade and wait for the full release?
[06:35] <dzzsky> (if it was working in feisty)
[06:36] <Jonbo> I have a problem: if I start gdm right after I install the nvidia drivers, everything works.. but right after I restart my machine, I get "Ubuntu is running in low-graphics mode"
[06:37] <stuart> does any one have any experience mounting a NTFS partition on a raid 0, cause I could use some help
[06:38] <lee__> so is there a 32 bit version kubuntu
[06:38] <DEADBEEF_> yes
[06:38] <lee__> ok
[06:39] <lee__> I think my system maxes out at 4 gig of ram..not sure though, maybe Ill just buy some more
[06:39] <reber> dzzsky, 3 days left, i'm not expecting this to be fixed soon ...
[06:39] <lee__> do all intel p4 with hyper threading have 64 bit?
[06:39] <dzzsky> it might be working though.  Its just I dont know enough about kbuntu to help you
[06:39] <dzzsky> want arround
[06:40] <awalton__> lee__, no
[06:40] <dzzsky> maybe someone more knowledgeable can help
[06:40] <Jonbo> Does anybody have any reasons (or solutions) to my problem
[06:40] <lee__> erg..well mabye Ill get one of the suported cards..I really hate to leaave this one lol, it has HDMI
[06:41] <lee__> how much for a 256 meg card with HDMI?
[06:41] <lee__> nvidia
[06:41] <ReL1K> !google
[06:41] <lee__> or one of the recomended cards in this thing?
[06:41] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[06:42] <lee__> okok
[08:44] (cyclonut/#ubuntu+1) it now bakes you bread.
[08:47] <kRush> so you guys have a gnome splashscreen? I just get a brown background when logging in, was it removed on purpose or went sth. wrong with my upgrade to gutsy?
[08:48] <Pici> kRush: I think I remember something about it being disabled by default.
[08:48] <stefg> kRush: no more splash in gnome 2.20
[08:48] <kRush> good to know, thanks
[08:49] <IdleOne> how can i set FF to open my gmail account when I click on a email link?
[08:49] <kRush> is it possible to skip the brownish background on login, or at least change color?
[08:50] <stefg> kRush: no, bug
[08:50] <mc44> IdleOne: I once saw I way to do it but I can't remember where :)
[08:51] <stefg> ... and one that is annoying enough to change distro :-\
[08:51] <kRush> stefg, got a hint how to find that particular bug on launchpad quickly?
[08:51] <daekdroom> is there a report about that firestarter closes after sometime in tray?
[08:53] <stefg> kRush: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/132833
[08:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132833 in gdm "login background color is hardcoded" [Low,Triaged] 
[08:53] <kRush> stefg, thx found it the second you wrote it here ^^
[08:56] <lee986321> eh guys, I need to know soething.
[08:57] <lee986321> I don't really understand the driver set up process
[08:57] <peepsalot> what driver
[08:57] <lee986321> befor I engague the driver I have to tell the system what I am using correct/
[09:00] <mc44> lee986321: what driver?
[09:00] <lee986321> the ati or that list of drivers taht is in the system
[09:00] <lee986321> mc 44..is it a 2 part process?
[09:01] <mc44> lee986321: what process? in the restricted driver manager?
[09:01] <comicinker> hi! my tracker only finds new added files to, but not the old indexed. how can I renew the indexing process?
[09:01] <lee986321> not sure but sure aint comaptable..brb
[09:01] <mc44> comicinker: start trackerd with -R, i think
[09:02] <lee986321> ati flgrx mc44 is the default
[09:02] <mc44> lee986321: yes, whats the problem?
[09:02] <peepsalot> lee986321, you're not being clear enough about your problem.  driver could mean a lot of things depending on the context.  What exactly are you trying to accomplish, what steps have you tried, and how is it not working?
[09:02] <lee986321> how ever when I selct enguage I get the black screen of death
[09:02] <lee986321> ok
[09:03] <comicinker> mc44: thanks. why was is so easy.... ;)
[09:03] <lee986321> I go to enguage the restrcte device driver.....it then downloads the porgrams or waht ever it deos and then I am met with the black screen of no return'
[09:03] <MickMcMack> Hey, I'm having some problems with Ubuntu 7,10 amd64. If I try to use the `nvidia' drivers [installed from the restricted driver thingie] , I get no video signal. If I use `nv', I just get garbage on the screen. The only way I can get X to run is with `vesa'. But then obviously I have to use a crappy resolution. Any ideas?
[09:04] <mc44> comicinker: nah, easy would be if there was an option in the GUI :)
[09:04] <TuxOtaku> is gutsy stable enough that I won't have any problems upgrading from feisty through update-manager? or should I just wait until it's officially released??
[09:04] <lee986321> the driver is ati by default
[09:04] <lee986321> the driver is my video accelarator
[09:04] <mc44> TuxOtaku: upgrading should be ok
[09:04] <stefg> TuxOtaku: I'd wait for release +4 weeks, min ... gutsy isn't ready
[09:04] <daekdroom> Gutsy release: 18th
[09:05] <mc44> stefg: you say that every release
[09:05] <daekdroom> there's no need to wait
[09:05] <comicinker> mc44: by the way, do you have an idea what the problem could be: I have lots of music an d documents (and all already indexed) but tracker could only find the new added filed, not the already existing ones
[09:05] <stefg> mc44: maybe because it's true ? ... the release process is quite broken
[09:05] <mc44> stefg: you may think so, works for most people
[09:05] <TuxOtaku> so basically, stefg since i pre-ordered my cds this week, once they get here, It's more or less safe?
[09:05] <lee986321> peeps alot it my video acceleration card..when I engauge it
[09:06] <lee986321> I even tried to use the drivers form ati and am met with th e same fate
[09:06] <U238Willy> I had one small botch.. but right now the update to 7.10RC is still plugging along..
[09:06] <TuxOtaku> one other thing as well....is compiz-fusion installed by default in gutsy?
[09:06] <daekdroom> yes
[09:06] <U238Willy> hmm
[09:06] <TuxOtaku> is it enabled?
[09:07] <TuxOtaku> because I have an older system and the video card on it can't handle compiz
[09:07] <daekdroom> if your default driver don't have 3D acceleration it isn't.
[09:07] <TuxOtaku> ok cool.
[09:07] <ubunt1> Hello can someone tell me how to boot ubuntu on my Compaq pressario?? I can`t boot it even if I take out m Broadcom wireless card
[09:07] <daekdroom> ubunt1: what's the trouble?
[09:07] <daekdroom> Your Compaq Presario boots into windows?
[09:08] <senab88> hello, i've installed ubuntu and everything is good
[09:08] <daekdroom> senab88: we're happy then
[09:08] <ubunt1> no I cant boot ubuntu I just stay on black screen after typical ubuntu booting from CD screen
[09:08] <senab88> ...but now when i played movies it looks over exposed
[09:08] <senab88> this is in all the players (mplayer, totem)
[09:08] <daekdroom> ubunt1: What's your system ram?
[09:09] <lee986321> erg how can I cmake my ati car, I get black screen
[09:09] <comicinker> mc44: so no idea on that problem?
[09:09] <ubunt1> 2x512 MB of DDRII I don1t know exact specification
[09:09] <daekdroom> It's recommended atleast 256.
[09:09] <daekdroom> ubunt1: then.. well.. i have no idea.
[09:10] <daekdroom> is that CD a burnt ISO from internet?
[09:10] <MickMcMack> No ideas then? :(
[09:10] <lee986321> yes
[09:10] <ubunt1> me too cose I`m running Dreamlinux and cant install ubuntu
[09:10] <cyclonut> out of curiosity, how many process do you folk have running in a typical session?
[09:10] <ubunt1> yes I`ve got a CD from net
[09:10] <lee986321> are you aon a dream cast?
[09:10] <daekdroom> try using the self checking option.
[09:10] <daekdroom> It might be corrupted.
[09:11] <Kein> Is tzdata supposed to break?
[09:11] <ubunt1> I`ve been tried it but it have no CD defects
[09:11] <daekdroom> ..
[09:11] <daekdroom> Sorry then i can't help :/
[09:11] <borovy3488> can you guys tell me how to change the font color on the gnome panels?
[09:12] <ubunt1> its okay I just will trie everything I thinks and hope something help me
[09:12] <ubunt1> bye everyone
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[09:15] (lee986321/#ubuntu+1) its my video card that is giving me issues
[09:15] (lee986321/#ubuntu+1) I Engauge driver, I load, I break
[09:16] (lee986321/#ubuntu+1) eh ok I engugae my viedo card, I load then I break
[09:16] <lee986321> with unbuntu in gutsy...all is sorta ok
[09:16] <cyclonut> MickMcMack: nope, sorry, I dont have experience with those
[09:16] <lee986321> in 32 bit
[09:16] <cyclonut> check your driver and kernel versions to see if they are compatible
[09:17] <U238Willy> lee986321, it would help if they knew which card you have, and what you've tried to do to fix it..
[09:17] <lee986321> eh waht of the ones tht the sight downloads?
[09:17] <lee986321> I have an ati x300
[09:17] <Basti> hello
[09:17] <Basti> when I try to boot the Live CD
[09:17] <Basti> I get the following error
[09:18] <Basti> Buffer I/O error on device hdc logical block 131655
[09:18] <lee986321> I have treid oth the ati drivers that I  have downloaded from the interet at ati sight as well as the drivers frm the regualr down load
[09:18] <lee986321> just a sec getting atis sight
[09:19] <Basti> hdc: error code 0 x 70 sense_key: 0x03 asc: 0x11 ascq: 0x00
[09:19] <Basti> can somebody help me
[09:19] <Basti> ?
[09:19] <mc44> Basti: try verifying the md5 sum of the CD, or reburning the CD slower
[09:19] <mc44> and the md5 sum of the iso
[09:19] <Basti> so it's a problem of the CD?
[09:19] <borovy3488> does anyone know how to change the font color in the panels?
[09:19] <mc44> Basti: possibly
[09:19] <Basti> how to verify?
[09:19] <mc44> !md5
[09:19] <ubotu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[09:20] <nickrud> borovy3488: you need to recompile the panel, iirc
[09:20] <borovy3488> nickrud: how do I do that?
[09:20] <Basti> i wondered about hdc
[09:20] <Basti> i only have 2 hds in my pc
[09:20] <Kein> Okay.
[09:20] <mc44> borovy3488: gnome-color-chooser, though it's not in the repos
[09:20] <Kein> I'm having serious problems here.
[09:20] <Kein> tzdata is broken. =/
[09:20] <lee986321> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux64/linux64-radeon.html this is the sight I got the drivers from
[09:20] <borovy3488> mc4: how do I get it?
[09:21] <nickrud> mc44: that changes the color now?!
[09:22] <lee986321> U238Willy thats the link where I got the drivers from
[09:22] <mc44> borovy3488: dunno, try google
[09:22] <borovy3488> nickrud: how were you saying to do it?
[09:22] <nickrud> borovy3488: I'm reading it's page now, it does a lot of nice stuff. It has instructions for compiling as well
[09:23] <nickrud> borovy3488: if you really wanna change colors, this looks much easier than what I said
[09:24] <borovy3488> nickrud: does yours require compiling or installing anything?
[09:24] <nickrud> borovy3488: yup, recompiling the panel app, this is compiling a tool.
[09:25] <nickrud> borovy3488: and a final note, where it says debian, read ubuntu as well
[09:25] <borovy3488> ok, well I'll just compile that prog here in a bit.  I have another question.  I cannot edit my time or date in gutsy.  When I was installing there was a problem with tzdata i think. but i run update and upgrade, and nothing gets installed
[09:26] <Basti> what other cause can the problems have?
[09:27] <mc44> Basti: hdc is likely your cd drive
[09:27] <cyclonut> this whole auto-dimming/auto-brightening thing isdriving me nuts :(
[09:27] <mc44> Basti: if it's a problem not to do with burning the cd, you could try the alternate text install CD
[09:27] <Basti> ah okay
[09:27] <Basti> the checksum of the 7.10 iso is 17bbce0c68497bc21838f4dfef8a9125
[09:27] <Basti> means k3b
[09:28] <borovy3488> anyone know what I need to do to edit time and date?
[09:28] <Basti> just added the option to compare burned files
[09:28] <Basti> :)
[09:28] <mrj> if I have a broken software index running the install -f will tell me which one right?
[09:28] <mrj> Or is the software index the entire thing and Im confusing it with packages
[09:30] <mrj> looks like it's kdepimlibs5 and i removed Kde a few days ago, guess thats why
[09:31] <chris__> im using the intel xorg driver and now when i try to play movies using XV theyre over exposed. changing to X11 playback fixes it. I'm sure XV used to work though, any ideas?
[09:34] <lee986321> ok more clear and precise answer, which drivers do i seltct for my ati card At Flgrx or waht..wthat is closest to this driver?
[09:35] <lee986321> ATI Mobility Radeon X300
[09:37] <lee986321> ok...opening case and going to the chipset
[09:38] <lee986321> well that bites theres no iding the chipset
[09:39] <lee986321> a heat snik covers it
[09:39] <lee986321> is the ati x300 the ATI Mobility Radeon X300?
[09:39] <edulix_> okay
[09:40] <edulix_> perfect, now after changing to the new kernel.. I have no sound
[09:40] <edulix_> :P
[09:40] <lee986321> edulix is the ati x300 the ATI Mobility Radeon X300
[09:40] <Edulix> I don't know lee986321
[09:40] <gnomefreak> Edulix: gonna guess and say you have an intel sound card
[09:40] <Edulix> gnomefreak: probably
[09:40] <Edulix> why?
[09:41] <Edulix> no
[09:41] <Edulix> it's ati
[09:41] <Edulix> lspci | grep Audio: 0:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SB450 HDA Audio (rev 01)
[09:41] <gnomefreak> Edulix: than open volume control and make sure its not muted or has an X through it
[09:41] <gnomefreak> assuming your using gnome
[09:41] <Edulix> kde
[09:41] <Edulix> :P
[09:41] <gnomefreak> right click it and go to prefferences
[09:42] <gnomefreak> ah than good luck :)
[09:42] <Edulix> alsamixer shows something
[09:42] <lee986321> is running kde 64 bit
[09:42] <gnomefreak> i only test things on kde
[09:42] <gnomefreak> Edulix: kde uses kmix
[09:42] <gnomefreak> by default iirc
[09:42] <Edulix> gnomefreak: I know
[09:42] <JDahl> is it not possible to watch DVDs with Gutsy? I found a few bugreports claiming so,  but thought that with less than a week to release there should be fix floating around
[09:43] <Edulix> but kmix doesn't show anything
[09:43] <gnomefreak> JDahl: it works fine
[09:43] <Edulix> and amarok doesn't play (and it uses xine)
[09:43] <gnomefreak> JDahl: i doubt dvd playback is high priority
[09:43] <lee986321> is crrently trying to install ati-driver-installer-8.40.4-x86.x86_64.run
[09:44] <gnomefreak> Edulix: xine/gst have nothing to do with kmix or alsa
[09:44] <Edulix> mplayer or kaffeine don't play sound either, but alsamixer show PCM Front and Mix
[09:44] <mc44> JDahl: dvd playback itsn't supported by default because of legal issues
[09:44] <Gek_> Anyway to fix Add/Remove Programs?
[09:44] <AJ--> ie guys.. i cant fine the compiz manager in gutsy
[09:44] <lee986321> just a sec grabbing advd
[09:44] <AJ--> how can i configure the maganer..
[09:44] <gnomefreak> Edulix: again your not seeing it. alsa has nothing to do with kmix
[09:44] <JDahl> gnomefreak, movieplayer claims that I need to install more plugins,  but I think I have them all installed,   and why wouldnt dvd playback be a priority?
[09:44] <mc44> JDahl: you need libdvdcss2
[09:45] <gnomefreak> JDahl: bugs for crashing/ect.. much more important than dvd playback.
[09:45] <gnomefreak> !dvd | JDahl
[09:45] <ubotu> JDahl: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[09:45] <mc44> JDahl: dvd playback works fine once you have that
[09:45] <Edulix> gnomefreak: I'm installing ubuntu-desktop to test gnome, but I will also go back to the other kernel to see if it works
[09:45] <Edulix> I want my sound back hehe
[09:46] <gnomefreak> he should really read !sound
[09:46] <AJ--> how can i open the compiz manager in gutsy .... i just intalled it now
[09:46] <gnomefreak> !sound | edulix
[09:46] <ubotu> edulix: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[09:46] <edulix> re
[09:46] <gnomefreak> JDahl: system>prefferences should have it
[09:46] <edulix> oh and by the way, sudo su - doesn't work anymore, why?
[09:46] <Gek_> Is there any way to fix "Add/Remove Applications"?  I'm gettign an error that says "The list of applications is not availabe".
[09:46] <gnomefreak> edulix: sudo -i work?
[09:47] <Kein> WTF?
[09:47] <edulix> gnomefreak: no
[09:47] <gnomefreak> Gek_: open terminal and run sudo apt-ge tupdate
[09:47] <edulix> edulix@edulix-laptop:~/descargas/ogre3d/ogrenew/Samples/SkyBox/include$ sudo -i                                                                                                    [sudo]  password for edulix:
[09:47] <edulix> edulix@edulix-laptop:~/descargas/ogre3d/ogrenew/Samples/SkyBox/include
[09:47] <edulix> see?
[09:47] <Kein> Kubuntu isn't reading my battery anymore...
[09:47] <Kein> ;/
[09:47] <AJ--> guys.. anyone knows how can i open the compiz manager i just installed gutsy
[09:47] <gnomefreak> edulix: than that is your set up does su work? if so than sudo wont work
[09:47] <Gek_> gnomefreak, I've done that
[09:47] <gnomefreak> AJ--: told you already
[09:47] <edulix> gnomefreak: su works
[09:47] <gnomefreak> Gek_: close gnome-app-install
[09:48] <gnomefreak> edulix: than sudo wont work since you enabled root
[09:48] <gnomefreak> !root | edulix
[09:48] <ubotu> edulix: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[09:48] <lee986321> i is apparently so
[09:48] <edulix> gnomefreak: what? sudo su - has always worked to me
[09:48] <edulix> and yes, I have a root password too :P
[09:48] <nickrud> gnomefreak: that's not quite true, sudo and su are orthogonal
[09:48] <gnomefreak> edulix: once you enable su sudo wont work again
[09:48] <hydrogen> err
[09:48] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: thats not at all true
[09:48] <gnomefreak> nickrud: sudo command will fail after you enable su
[09:48] <gnomefreak> try it
[09:48] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: sudo is used on systems with su all of the time
[09:48] <edulix> gnomefreak: that's new isn't it? it worked previously..
[09:49] <nickrud> gnomefreak: no
[09:49] <lee986321> just tried to play a dvd..it goes thought first 3 windows, then it dies
[09:49] <AJ--> gnomefreak: i cant see it in preference :(
[09:49] <edulix> hydrogen: exactly
[09:49] <gnomefreak> hydrogen: by following the guides it doesnt set up both
[09:49] <nickrud> gnomefreak: I have a root password, and just sudo'd and su'd
[09:49] <Gek_> gnomefreak, I've closed gnome-app-install... and have ran sudo apt-get update... restarted gnome-app-install and it still is broken
[09:49] <mc44> AJ--: did you install compizconfig-settings-manager
[09:49] <gnomefreak> you have to set it up as both if you want to use both
[09:49] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: what guides?  sudo doesn't have anytihng to do with su
[09:49] <gnomefreak> Gek_: can you use synaptic
[09:49] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: with the exception that both allow you to run commands as other users
[09:49] <gnomefreak> read the the docs above
[09:49] <AJ--> mc44: nope.. its a fresh install of gutsy:(
[09:49] <edulix> nickrud: does sudo su - work for you? or sudo -i for that matter
[09:50] <AJ--> ok ill try to install it
[09:50] <nickrud> edulix: both
[09:50] <mc44> AJ--: then install that, it will work. it's not installed by default
[09:50] <gnomefreak> last time i enabled it sudo never worked again
[09:50] <gnomefreak> until i enabled sudo after
[09:50] <gnomefreak> nickrud: i still do in sid
[09:50] <Gek_> gnomefreak, i can start it... yes
[09:50] <gnomefreak> nickrud: with debian install sudo and it works
[09:50] <gnomefreak> Gek_: what are you trying to install
[09:50] <edulix> actually, it seems that sudo doesn't work. sudo echo "hola" doesn't do anything either
[09:51] <Gek_> gnomefreak, anything in that list of "Add/Remove"
[09:51] <gnomefreak> Gek_: close synaptic and run sudo apt-get -f install in a terminal
[09:51] <gnomefreak> Gek_: it should remove or install packages you may have an broken package installed
[09:51] <hydrogen> so i'm not sure what that guides telling you to do
[09:51] <hydrogen> but all you need to do is set a password for root
[09:52] <hydrogen> and you can log in as root
[09:52] <nickrud> edulix: yes, sudo - then su rich then su - all worked, in sequence
[09:52] <Gek_> gnomefreak, it upgraded 0...0newly  installed...0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[09:52] <nickrud> *sudo -i
[09:52] <hydrogen> works4me as well
[09:53] <gnomefreak> sudo passwd -l root
[09:53] <gnomefreak> that doesnt let you use sudo unless you reenable it
[09:53] <gnomefreak> atleast here and it seems on edulix system as well
[09:53] <edulix> I have a password for root already. the problem is that sudo doesn't work for my user
[09:53] <edulix> I on't know why
[09:53] <gnomefreak> Gek_: and it wont let you install anything?
[09:54] <edulix> sudo echo "hola" doesn't print anything
[09:54] <hydrogen> edulix: are you in the 'admin' group?
[09:54] <nickrud> edulix: did you edit /etc/sudoers at all?
[09:54] <Gek_> not using Add/Remove Applications
[09:54] <Gek_> i've not tried any other way
[09:54] <caravena> Hello!, I safe-upgrade of feisty to gutsy and 2 problem. keyboard not work in many minutes. My hardware is laptop.
[09:54] <edulix> uhm I think I know why.. I fucked up permissions. maybe that's also why I don't have sound
[09:54] <nvoorberg> hey, is it possible to download te RC1 and upgrade to full when gutsy is out ?
[09:54] <edulix> I'm only in edulix and fuse group
[09:54] <caravena> one problem : -)
[09:54] <nickrud> edulix: that could do that
[09:54] <edulix> now that explains everything
[09:54] <edulix> ;)
[09:54] <hydrogen> edulix: that'd be why
[09:54] <gnomefreak> nickrud: there is it why would you have toedit it as guide doesnt tell you too
[09:54] <mc44> !final | nvoorberg
[09:54] <ubotu> nvoorberg: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[09:54] <MTecknology> how can I erase my Keyring Manager info?
[09:55] <hydrogen> edulix: can you get a root shell?
[09:55] <nickrud> gnomefreak: sudoers doesn't have any affect over su
[09:55] <hydrogen> if so.. gpasswd -a user audio; gpasswd -a user admin
[09:55] <nickrud> gnomefreak: I think you're confusing how gksu and su
[09:55] <gnomefreak> nickrud: you might want to add editing the sudoers file to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo so you can still use sudo
[09:55] <nickrud> *work
[09:55] <hydrogen> and as many of these as you want: hydrogen adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner netdev lpadmin powerdev admin vboxusers
[09:55] <gnomefreak> nickrud: not at all
[09:56] <gnomefreak> gksu and gksudo one is a symlink to other
[09:56] <gnomefreak> iirc gksudo is symlinked to gksu
[09:56] <hydrogen> they both run sudo though
[09:56] <gnomefreak> or vice verse
[09:56] <hydrogen>  /not/ su
[09:56] <hydrogen> because of ubuntu's policies
[09:56] <nvoorberg> hm they removed the download links from the website
[09:56] <gnomefreak> i know
[09:56] <hydrogen> sudo is not su
[09:56] <nickrud> gnomefreak: no, they are not links, gksu can be told to use either sudo or su as it's backend
[09:56] <martoss> hi folks
[09:56] <gnomefreak> hydrogen: where did i say it was?
[09:56] <martoss> i am debootstraping ubuntu on an amd64 machine
[09:56] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: you are talking about sudoers affecting su
[09:57] <knix> debootstrapping?
[09:57] <martoss> it hangs with I: Configuring console-setup
[09:57] <hydrogen> I think
[09:57] <gnomefreak> nickrud: you can choose in alterntives but doesnt change the fact that they you can use gksu or gksudo for gui apps. because one is symlinked to other (has nothing to do with su btw)
[09:57] <martoss> yeah, debootstrap
[09:58] <alpin1> could anyone please help with Thunderbird problems?
[09:58] <JDahl> mc44, that fixed it - thanks...
[09:58] <gnomefreak> hydrogen: no enabling su without editing the sudoers file allows you to only use su not sudo
[09:58] <gnomefreak> hydrogen: please read more carefully
[09:58] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: no. they have _NOTHING_ to do with each other
[09:58] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: You can enable root without touching sudoers
[09:58] <martoss> knix, you know, the tool to install a deb based distro in a directory...
[09:58] <gnomefreak> hydrogen: enabling su with sudo passwd -l root
[09:58] <nickrud> gnomefreak: I looked at the symlink backwards :) and take a look at gksu-properties
[09:58] <edulix> okey, thanks for your help, I'm quite sure everything will work when I reestart X
[09:58] <gnomefreak>  makes sudo not usable until you edit the file
[09:58] <martoss> any ideas why it hangs?
[09:59] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: that _DISABLES_ logging in as root
[09:59] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: which means you can only use sudo
[09:59] <gnomefreak> hydrogen: sudo passwd -l root
[09:59] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: setting a password on the root account (enabling it) allows you to login using su or sudo
[09:59] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: locks the account
[09:59] <hydrogen> read the man page
[09:59] <gnomefreak> damn wrong one
[09:59] <alpin1> could anyone please help with a Thunderbird problem on 7.10?
[09:59] <nvoorberg> im currently downloading the RC iso
[09:59] <nickrud> alpin1: ask, possibly
[10:00] <nvoorberg> is it smart to install it already? or is it verry buggy
[10:00] <hydrogen> its not all that buggy for me at least
[10:00] <hydrogen> suspend still doesn't work properly..
[10:00] <alpin1> it is set to play a sound when a new msg is received. but for some reason, the sound is coming from the internal speaker.
[10:00] <MTecknology> I keep getting Access Denied to the Keyring Manager. I would like to be able to just delete what's in there and start from scratch.
[10:00] <hydrogen> but thats because linux sucks :/
[10:00] <Meroigo> hi. I put in a ATI Radeon 9500XT card, started Ubuntu, it said that there were restricted drivers avalible. I opened the restricted drivers manager, checked the box so it would install the ATI drivers, rebooted the computer.. but everything was i low graphics mode... :\ It looks normal etc if I use the free drivers, but I don't think it's really using the hardware for rendering 3D when I do that.
[10:00] <nickrud> nvoorberg: works well, except for suspend & hibernate for me
[10:00] <gnomefreak> see thats not fully the way to enable sudo again anyway
[10:00] <alpin1> i disabled system beep and now it is not coming from there.
[10:00] <gnomefreak> they are missing a part
[10:00] <nvoorberg> ok
[10:00] <alpin1> but i want to get a sound alert in the main system
[10:00] <awalton__> hydrogen: you mean hardware companies suck
[10:01] <nvoorberg> got some problems with my webcam, some error kept popping up and it wouldnt boot on the beta CD
[10:01] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: by enabling the root account you _DO NOT_ disable sudo
[10:01] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: they are utterly unrelated
[10:01] <nvoorberg> hydrogen: wich part of linux sucks. the being-more-stable-then-windows part?
[10:01] <edulix> I'm here just to tell you: it works ;)
[10:01] <hydrogen> nvoorberg: the "windows can suspend my laptop fine but linux can't" part
[10:01] <gnomefreak> hydrogen: than why doesnt it work here or on edulix pc. didnt editing sudoers file just fix that for him now he has su and sudo usable
[10:02] <nvoorberg> hydrogen: ooh that small part
[10:02] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: a long time ago we determined that the reason edulix was having trouble was he was not in the groups he should have been
[10:02] <hydrogen> nvoorberg: yea.. because suspend on a laptop is a small part
[10:02] <edulix> gnomefreak: everything works now in my pc
[10:02] <nickrud> alpin1: one sec, phone
[10:02] <nvoorberg> hydrogen: and what if linux were to boot faster then your windows getting out of hibernation
[10:02] <gnomefreak> hydrogen: enablinb su password 1 shouldnt change that if it does than and should than why doesnt it
[10:02] <nvoorberg> AND it's gonna be fixed eventually
[10:02] <edulix> gnomefreak: and I haven't edited sudoers. sudo su - always worked and now it works again, my problem was that I wasn't in suders group
[10:03] <gnomefreak> edulix: you were prior to enabling su? or just a simple reboot
[10:03] <gnomefreak> edulix: how did you get removed?
[10:03] <hydrogen> nvoorberg: then unless it could boot and start all the applications I needed with saved states it would still be not as helpful
[10:03] <caravena> Hello, problem with safe-upgrade of feisty to gutsy. Keyboard not work in minutes...
[10:03] <MTecknology> come on... doesn't anybody know anything about the keyring manager?
[10:03] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, dangit. I just did the recent updates to the kernel and nvidia-glx-new, hoping that would fix the problem I have with changing from tty7 (X.org), to tty1, but it's not.
[10:03] <caravena> Package for report problem?
[10:03] <alpin1> how do I add skype to the startup menu to get it start whenever i turn on the computer?
[10:03] <hydrogen> !autostart
[10:03] <gnomefreak> alpin1: gnome?
[10:03] <edulix> gnomefreak: I removed it with usermod
[10:04] <alpin1> 7.10 gnome
[10:04] <hydrogen> ubotu: poke!
[10:04] <hydrogen> !autostart | alpin1
[10:04] <gnomefreak> ah ok that doesnt explain why mine doesnt work as im in sudoers
[10:04] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session go to System>Preferences>Sessions and use the Startup Programs tab. For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup - See !boot for starting non-interactive programs at boot
[10:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about poke! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <ubotu> alpin1: please see above
[10:04] <edulix> gnomefreak: I just added myself to the groups I wanted and restarted X
[10:04] <Psi-Jack> Everytime I try to switch to a text console, it plain doesn't work at all. Turns the screen out of sync resolution, and because of that, my monitor powers off from not having a proper signal.
[10:04] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: are you in the admin group?
[10:04] <nvoorberg> hydrogen: but Linux still doesnt have as much problems as *shiver* vista
[10:04] <gnomefreak> edulix: i will look into it here when i have time
[10:04] <gnomefreak> hydrogen: yes
[10:04] <gnomefreak> one or other works not both
[10:05] <hydrogen> nvoorberg: don't worry, I don't have any desire to run vista
[10:05] <Neatchee> Hey all, I just upgraded my laptop from Feisty to GutsyRC last night, and everything is going well except for a new network problem.  Periodically (maybe every 5-10 mins), I lose all connections.  Now, I'm on wireless, and the wireless connection itself doesn't drop (according to network-manager at least), but all of current connections are broken (AIM, etc) and no new connections can be established for 20-30 seconds.  Any ideas?
[10:05] <gnomefreak> and i figured that was normal since its been like that since edgy
[10:05] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: then something went wonky on /your/ computer.. not everyones.  It's a nice variation on !worksforme
[10:05] <alpin1> what do i write under command?
[10:05] <niwt> Psi-Jack: I'm having similar problems - I can't get to a console ever since I did the online update after install
[10:05] <StFS> hello.. has anyone tried getting compiz/beryl to work in kubuntu? if so, how does that work?
[10:05] <hydrogen> alpin1: "skype" I think
[10:05] <edulix> gnomefreak: what you say doesn't make any sense to me, because that's like saying "when I configure KDE, gnome stops working" or something along the lines
[10:05] <bosse> im having troubles with my dell d600 and the ati radeon 9000, i cant get 3d accel..... witch driver should i use??
[10:05] <nickrud> alpin1: in preferences, under general you can choose a sound to play
[10:06] <nickrud> alpin1: some basic sounds can be found in /usr/share/sounds
[10:06] <gnomefreak> hydrogen: if it has been like that since edgy and no its not an upgrade from all than i expected it was normal not because it doesntworkforme if i had it happen only once than i would agree without a problem.
[10:06] <Psi-Jack> niwt: Yeah. Nvidia card, right?
[10:06] <alpin1> i'll try.
[10:07] <niwt> yup. nvidia
[10:07] <niwt> nv driver
[10:07] <nvoorberg> did they fix the iPod compatibity yet?
[10:07] <gnomefreak> something i will have to play with after release
[10:07] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. This is, what I would consider, a showstopping bug, and there's only 3 days left for 7.10's release date.
[10:07] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: right.. but we've determined its not a general problem.. something went wrong on your computer.. unfortunatly I have no idea what the something is, but it's not a general thing
[10:07] <gnomefreak> nvoorberg: for what app?
[10:07] <gnomefreak> hydrogen: i will know when i get to looking for it
[10:08] <gnomefreak> nvoorberg: ipods can be used with differnet apps
[10:08] <gnomefreak> !ipod | nvoorberg
[10:08] <ubotu> nvoorberg: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[10:08] <nvoorberg> gnomefreak: does it support the latest generation? the iPod Classic?
[10:08] <niwt> is it safe to make additional non-graphical runlevels using update-rc on gdm, same as in debian, or did ubuntu change that?
[10:09] <bosse> one more thing, cant get the java plugin for firefox running
[10:09] <gnomefreak> nvoorberg: havent heard of it but im gonna assume its not much differnet than nano
[10:09] <hydrogen> nvoorberg: you need a new version of libgpod
[10:09] <nickrud> niwt: no, it's the same
[10:09] <hydrogen> nvoorberg: that I'm not sure is out yet..
[10:09] <Psi-Jack> niwt: : I noticed the only issue with this comes up only AFTER gdm is started.
[10:09] <hydrogen> nvoorberg: check out in #gtkpod
[10:09] <Psi-Jack> Once X is started, text consoles fubar.
[10:09] <niwt> ok, once I do that, how do I change my default runlevel?
[10:09] <nickrud> Psi-Jack: ati?
[10:10] <Psi-Jack> nickrud: Nvidia
[10:10] <nickrud> niwt: edit /etc/event.d/rc-default
[10:10] <niwt> thanks
[10:11] <gnomefreak> hydrogen: apple hasnt made noise about releasing it yet so i would say atleast 2weeks to a month before its released
[10:11] <nickrud> Psi-Jack: hm, ati has that as a known issue, I had to turn off boot splash to get my vc's working
[10:11] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: until what is released?
[10:11] <niwt> looks like default runlevel is already set to 2, which will work
[10:11] <gnomefreak> hydrogen: the ipod he was talking about
[10:11] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: err, its been out for almost a month
[10:11] <hydrogen> the same time the ipod touch was released
[10:11] <gnomefreak> it has? and its called classic?
[10:12] <hydrogen> and the new nano
[10:12] <Psi-Jack> nickrud: I tried that for nvidia myself. Boot without the splash. I watched it in all Linux's glory of bootup in text.. Up until X started by gdm, and WHAM,. Text consols fubar, right then. No longer are they accessable at all, even after stopping gdm.
[10:12] <Neatchee> Hey all, I just upgraded my laptop from Feisty to GutsyRC last night, and everything is going well except for a new network problem.  Periodically (maybe every 5-10 mins), I lose all connections.  Now, I'm on wireless, and the wireless connection itself doesn't drop (according to network-manager at least), but all of current connections are broken (AIM, etc) and no new connections can be established for 20-30 seconds.  Any ideas?
[10:12] <gnomefreak> wonder why i didnt get email about that yet
[10:12] <nickrud> Psi-Jack: no clue, I've not used nvidia on recent ubuntu's.
[10:13] <Psi-Jack> Heh, dang. Gnome really needs a simple "Run" dialog tool.
[10:14] <Neatchee> Psi-Jack: Alt-F2 should get you one, i believe
[10:14] <gnomefreak> Psi-Jack: alt+f2
[10:14] <Psi-Jack> Aha..
[10:14] <gnomefreak> same as kde
[10:14] <Psi-Jack> heh. I should replace that to Super+R grr. ;)
[10:14] <sdre1> is there anyway I can disable ipv6 in gutsy?
[10:14] <hydrogen> windows refuge.
[10:14] <hydrogen> :)
[10:14] <hydrogen> !ipv6
[10:14] <gnomefreak> Psi-Jack: you can do that
[10:15] <Neatchee> !ipv6
[10:15] <Psi-Jack> hydrogen: Been using Linux Since way back in the 1.2 series. :p
[10:15] <avatar_> sdre1: why disabling it?
[10:15] <sdre1> avatar_: don't need it, and I'm only pulling ipv6 addresses and it's not letting me connect to the internet
[10:16] <Psi-Jack> gnomefreak: So far, my problem doing that, everytime I actually HIT the Win key, in the Keyboard Shortcut manager, it puts down Super L or Super R, without letting me hit the next key.
[10:16] <gnomefreak> Psi-Jack: compiz enabled?
[10:16] <Psi-Jack> gnomefreak: Disabled it.
[10:16] <lee986321> eh i found another bug.. and its a weird one. i used to e able to download isos to my mem stick.....it now says disk full   and its a 1 gig too the iso is 698 mb
[10:17] <Psi-Jack> Compiz slows down Second Life, so I opted to just not use it. ;)
[10:17] <gnomefreak> Psi-Jack: check in gconf-editor it may be set to use something already
[10:17] <Psi-Jack> Even though it's cool.
[10:17] <Neatchee> I wish I could use Compiz :-\  Crappy SiS onboard gfx :(
[10:17] <nvoorberg> hydrogen: i was reading the lines back here in this channel, and i can report you, the ipod classic has been released already, it's right here next to my computer
[10:18] <Psi-Jack> gnomefreak: Where in here? I've never used gconf much.
[10:18] <lee986321> and the rumor about not beeing able to play dvds is true and corect
[10:18] <gnomefreak> Psi-Jack: i dont have exact path atm and im building iceape and its slowing me down way too much
[10:19] <lee986321> i treid 3 ddifferent  playes with same results  error
[10:19] <Neatchee> So anyone have any ideas about these random network disconnects I'm experiencing?
[10:19] <cypherdelic> My Gutsy still spawns to BusyBox and I have to manually mount my system.
[10:20] <cps1966> what the chances of getting rid of dolphin
[10:20] <pwuertz> cps1966: dolphin?
[10:20] <cps1966> i hate i it
[10:20] <Psi-Jack> gnomefreak: I did a search. Nothing else uses just plain <Super>, anywhere, my search was for just Super
[10:20] <hydrogen> cps1966: sudo aptitude remove dolphin
[10:20] <hydrogen> cps1966: tadaa :)
[10:20] <pwuertz> cps1966: why did you install it?
[10:20] <cps1966> good
[10:20] <sdre1> I've got an ethernet cable plugged in, eth0 returns an ipv6 address, and I have an eth0:avahi that returns ipv4 adress of 169.
[10:20] <hydrogen> pwuertz: its installed by default
[10:20] <hydrogen> pwuertz: on gutsykde
[10:21] <pwuertz> hydrogen: I'm in ubuntu right?
[10:21] <lee986321> ah thank you
[10:21] <hydrogen> kutsy
[10:21] <pwuertz> hydrogen: ah
[10:21] <pwuertz> lol.. just checked kde4 beta3
[10:21] <lee986321> i to was wondering about getting rid of dolphin
[10:21] <niwt> gonna reboot
[10:21] <cps1966> konqueror does better job
[10:21] <Psi-Jack> gnomefreak: I was able to manually set it in gconf-editor though, to <Super>R from <Alt>F2, and it works now. LOL
[10:21] <niwt> brb
[10:22] <nvoorberg> pwuertz: is it worth getting used to instead of gnome?
[10:22] <cypherdelic> My Gutsy still spawns to BusyBox and I have to manually luksOpen my encrypted LVM. Any Suggestions??.
[10:22] <cps1966> its a sick fish out of water to me
[10:22] <Psi-Jack> Oy, oops. ;)
[10:22] <lee986321> so the aptitude comand is for pre installed stuff?
[10:23] <cypherdelic> My USer is in group vboxuser, but i still cant start any virtual box mashine
[10:23] <pwuertz> nvoorberg: you know... I was a kde fanboy once... imho.. kde was by far superior...
[10:23] <cps1966> i got daily build today seems good so far as doing hareware right
[10:24] <cps1966> except for when i have usb cam pluged in on boot it kills my tv card and wont let me change source in tvtime
[10:24] <pwuertz> nvoorberg: now kde3 stands still, gnome caught up ... and kde4 is in development for a few years
[10:24] <nvoorberg> pwuertz: i got used to gnome, if i want to use KDE now i have to get to know it again
[10:24] <gunasheka1> nvoorberg: that is not so difficult
[10:24] <pwuertz> nvoorberg: they call it kde4 beta3... I would call it pre-alpha
[10:25] <nvoorberg> perhaps i'l try when KDE 4 is out
[10:25] <nvoorberg> it is rumored to be verry good
[10:25] <cps1966> after christmas
[10:25] <Psi-Jack> Okay, Can I make like custom Keyboard Shortcuts, for say, loading Nautilus?
[10:25] <lee986321> ok i need some help is the ATI Mobility Radeon X300 and the atix300 one in the same?
[10:25] <pwuertz> there is no way kde4 could reach final status this year... just had a look at beta3
[10:26] <lee986321> ?
[10:26] <cps1966> ! seamonkey
[10:26] <lee986321> final status?
[10:26] <nvoorberg> hm im currently downloading gutsy RC
[10:26] <hydrogen> pwuertz: well, if you compared this beta to the beta a few weeks ago you would say that it's doable by christmas
[10:26] <Neatchee> lee986321: I do not know for certain, but I would say no.  Very very similar but ATI's mobile line has a few differences, though I couldn't tell you what they are
[10:26] <nvoorberg> i hope it's gonna be good
[10:26] <yokomo> I thought compiz was coming natively with gutsy
[10:27] <yokomo> it's not installed on my system
[10:27] <hydrogen> pwuertz: plus.. I'm not really sure how you are trying beta3 as it has yet to be officially packaged/released
[10:27] <Psi-Jack> yokomo: It does.
[10:27] <lee986321> the that explains the issues lol
[10:27] <yokomo> also, I thought the installation was supposed to support whole drive encryption
[10:27] <lee986321> why in heavens name this link then?
[10:27] <nvoorberg> when you install gutsy, you automaticly get compiz and 3D effects?
[10:27] <pwuertz> hydrogen: gusty repositories got some 3.94  packages already
[10:27] <yokomo> Psi-Jack: why is it not installed on my system?
[10:27] <Psi-Jack> yokomo: Likely because you do not have a detected/known video card that could support ity.
[10:28] <pwuertz> hydrogen: it was scheduled for today... the base packages hit 3.94 yesterday
[10:28] <yokomo> it's a geforce 6600
[10:28] <hydrogen> its not enabled if you use kubuntu also
[10:28] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, kubuntu's installer doesn't install compiz either.
[10:28] <lee986321> eh ok ...hers what i get when i go to atis sight and selt ati x 300
[10:28] <lee986321> https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.40.4.html
[10:30] <wrede> I upgraded kubuntu to gutsy. When I log in with my user, my external monitor is blank. With test user however, whos config files I deleted, the monitor works. Question, which config files do I delete for my user to get the monitor working?
[10:30] <lee986321> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux64/linux64-radeon.html this the home link.. follow it as th you are going to down load the linux for 64 bit system and tell me if i asm missing somthing Neatchee
[10:30] <lee986321> cause i am verry confused right now
[10:32] <Neatchee> it's just a script.  save it to your home directory, then open a terminal and type "sudo ~/ati-driver-installer-8.40.4-x86.x86_64.run"
[10:32] <wrede> anyone that can help me?
[10:32] <Neatchee> I feel your pain, nickrud, but it IS easy
[10:33] <lee986321> I did and i got the black screen of death
[10:33] <pwuertz> hydrogen: I just don't know what happened to kde4..... I love Qt4 and I know what its capable of... I don't understand what they did for the last few months... right now you got some broken desktop basics and a bunch of old KDE3 applications that have been ported to qt4.... i don't "see" the revolutionary desktop that was announced like 2 years ago
[10:33] <nickrud> wrede: #kubuntu probably has better help with that
[10:33] <Neatchee> black screen of wha?
[10:33] <lee986321> DEATH
[10:33] <wrede> ok, I'll try
[10:33] <nickrud> lee986321: try ./ati-driver(etc) --buildpkg Ubuntu/feisty
[10:33] <hydrogen> pwuertz: thats because the revolutionary desktop didn't go into development until after the libs were just about frozen
[10:33] <lee986321> sytem refuses to go to login screen after splash screen
[10:33] <hydrogen> pwuertz: which was maybe 4-6 weeks ago
[10:33] <Neatchee> nickrud: don't you mean Ubuntu/gutsy? :P
[10:34] <hydrogen> pwuertz: plasma still has a long ways to go.. but I expect it will reach its promises around kde4.1/kde4.2
[10:34] <daekdroom> 3 days till #ubuntu+1 focus on next ubuntu version =P
[10:34] <hydrogen> it has to do a lot of wheel reinventing right now
[10:34] <Ximal> hello ?
[10:34] <lee986321> eh i am running 64 bit nickrud
[10:34] <nickrud> Neatchee: not sure if they've created the package builder for gutsy yet
[10:34] <hydrogen> due to widgets not being supporting in the graphicsview
[10:34] <Ximal> does anyone know of a way to get myspace.com messenger working in ubuntu gutsy ?
[10:34] <Neatchee> nickrud: good point
[10:34] <Ximal> it keeps timing out..
[10:34] <act1v8> Hello!
[10:34] <nickrud> lee986321: sameo, I'd think. help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[10:34] <pwuertz> hydrogen: exactly... so now you got some libs... but no desktop and no new widgets... you expect them to do that within 4 weeks?
[10:35] <act1v8> I just installed RC, updated the system, restarted and compiz stopped working
[10:35] <hydrogen> pwuertz: I expect a workable desktop in eight weeks (whenb kde4 is projected for)
[10:35] <act1v8> it's complaining Xgl not being enabled
[10:35] <hydrogen> pwuertz: I don't expect the full plasma revolution to exist until kde4.1
[10:35] <cdm10> I just realized that I've been blaming Gutsy for two bugs that ended up just being coincidences
[10:35] <nickrud> act1v8: ask about gutsy on #ubuntu+1 for 3 more days :)
[10:35] <pwuertz> hydrogen: right... kde 4.1 or 4.2...
[10:35] <hydrogen> pwuertz: however, because of the libs it will be very cool
[10:35] <hydrogen> pwuertz: right.
[10:35] <hydrogen> pwuertz: the same way gnome2.0 sucked, kde4.0 will suck
[10:36] <act1v8> ?
[10:36] <nickrud> lol
[10:36] <hydrogen> pwuertz: its part of the process
[10:36] <pwuertz> hydrogen: ok i see
[10:36] <thegve> nickrud: What is the problem with the 3d accelleration then? Is there a known issues list somewhere?
[10:36] <Ximal> i know you are all busy .. but if someone gets a chance to /query me about the issue with myspace.com's messenger and wine .. I'd like a moment of someone's time please... thank you all so much..
[10:36] <cps1966> lost all my windows decorations with compiz on kde
[10:36] <nickrud> thegve: depends on your chipset, etc.
[10:36] <thegve> I am trying to get it to work again a few days now
[10:36] <pwuertz> hydrogen: I didn't know .0 was supposed to be some kind of open beta release ;)
[10:36] <hydrogen> pwuertz: kde4.0 is not going to be widely adapted, a lot like gcc4.0 or gnome2.0... or qt4.0.. or kde3.0 its the versions that build upon it that will
[10:36] <thegve> Radeon X800
[10:36] <act1v8> how can I get X to reconfigure with the values in conf as used by the installer?
[10:37] <hydrogen> pwuertz: its not a beta release.. its planned to be a fully workable release, but just without some of the features that later versions will have
[10:37] <nosrednaekim> cps1966: install emerald
[10:37] <hydrogen> pwuertz: if one delayed every release until every feature was perfect and unimprovable then there would never ben a release
[10:37] <nickrud> thegve: I did sudo aptitude install xserver-xgl ; used restricted-manager to enable ati restricted drivers, rebooted (cuz it made me) logged in, did compiz --replace && emerald --replace and was good to go
[10:37] <thegve> nickrud: By your response to hydrogen I guessed you meant it is some known issue that will be resolved in 3 days
[10:38] <nickrud> thegve: no, gutsy questions are supposed to be asked/answered on #ubuntu+1
[10:38] <pwuertz> hydrogen: your right... I did not move to gnome until 2.12 was released because I did not find it "mature" enough
[10:38] <pwuertz> hydrogen: same with kde4 now
[10:38] <hydrogen> mm
[10:38] <lee986321> thank you nickrud that was the best answer I go I think..Iam at taht sight folloewing the directions
[10:38] <hydrogen> and we don't expect people to either
[10:39] <hydrogen> now I can't stand noam
[10:39] <thegve> nickrud: This is weird
[10:39] <pwuertz> yea... kde 3.4 was great back then
[10:39] <thegve> What you said just was enough to get the effects going again
[10:39] <nickrud> thegve: that instruction set was for ati, by the way.
[10:39] <thegve>  (the --replace commands)
[10:40] <thegve> but according to glxinfo no hardware rendering is working
[10:40] <thegve> but my interface is running to good for that to be true
[10:40] <nosrednaekim> thegve: are you using ati with XGL?
[10:40] <thegve> it should be dead slow then
[10:40] <nickrud> thegve: yes, and yes, and no I have no clue why it says that :)
[10:40] <Ximal> should i download a tar or an rpm installation for vmware ? someone please answer.. i'm unsure if i have rpm support/tarball support ?
[10:40] <Neatchee> Hey all, I just upgraded my laptop from Feisty to GutsyRC last night, and everything is going well except for a new network problem.  Periodically (maybe every 5-10 mins), I lose all connections.  Now, I'm on wireless, and the wireless connection itself doesn't drop (according to network-manager at least), but all of current connections are broken (AIM, etc) and no new connections can be established for 20-30 seconds.  Any ideas?
[10:40] <thegve> nosrednaekim: Yes
[10:41] <nickrud> Ximal: use the tar, never use rpm's on ubuntu
[10:41] <nosrednaekim> thegve: its because XGL disables direct rendering. but somehow it pipes it thorough for the apps that need it.
[10:41] <thegve> glxinfo even segfaults, a whatever
[10:41] <act1v8> Neatchee: do you use ADSL?
[10:41] <Ximal> thanks nickrud ! thank you very much
[10:41] <nosrednaekim> thegve: its perfectly normal
[10:41] <thegve> a nice that segfaulting software is normal ;)
[10:41] <frank_> Ximal: you can get vmware player and vmware server through the repositories as well
[10:41] <riotkittie> act1v8: your card was probably blacklisted. we can get around that though
[10:41] <nosrednaekim> thegve: yep.. thats normal
[10:42] <Ximal> frank_ i'm going for the vmware workstation .. i have a serial i can use for the actual product ;)
[10:42] <act1v8> riotkittie: blacklisted!? it is supported by the radeon and ati open source drivers
[10:42] <lee986321> why woukd they black list a card?
[10:42] <pwuertz> hydrogen: you know... when I heard about the beta releases and the 4.0 being released in 2 months I expected something like this: *g*
[10:42] <pwuertz> hydrogen: http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=28476&file1=28476-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Kde4+Mockup&PHPSESSID=2e0205c48cf850a88f4135450edb1d6a
[10:42] <frank_> Ximal: ok. then you should use the tar
[10:42] <nickrud> Ximal: you wouldn't happen to have a spare one for the guy that helped, would you ;)
[10:42] <Ximal> it all depends..
[10:42] <Ximal> lol
[10:43] <Ximal> i might later..
[10:43] <Ximal> err how do i say this..
[10:43] <nickrud> Ximal: no worries, a joke :)
[10:43] <Ximal> i figured out how to install without a key on windows.. i'm going to do the same through linux ? lol I generate my own key.. haha
[10:43] <riotkittie> pwuertz: because some people using those cards were having issues
[10:43] <Ximal> or "CRACK" the source on it to install it like a fossi program
[10:43] <riotkittie> like serious issues.
[10:43] <gnomefreak> Ximal: please change topics
[10:44] <act1v8> riotkittie: meaning that I can't use Compiz?
[10:44] <Ximal> oh sorry freak..
[10:44] <Ximal> you are right..
[10:44] <thegve> act1v8: I don't quite understand you, but I guess you want to do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[10:44] <Ximal> thanks for your info on which files to use on ubuntu guys
[10:44] <thegve> This will bring you in a kind of wizard to configure your driver, card and monitor settings
[10:45] <riotkittie> act1v8: no. there is a workaround, but i'm not positive blacklist is your problem. seems like a good place to start. do you have a  .config/compiz/compizconfig/config ?
[10:45] <Neatchee> act1v8: no, cable modem, with a d-link router
[10:45] <riotkittie> thats fun to say five times fast.
[10:46] <act1v8> Neatchee: ugh... sometimes Ubuntu's way of "package management" is freaking me out
[10:46] <act1v8> because people are being stubborn
[10:46] <Neatchee> ?
[10:46] <act1v8> about resolving real issues
[10:46] <act1v8> like your Network for instance
[10:47] <act1v8> Neatchee: that problem has been bugging me for... um... 3 years
[10:47] <Neatchee> yeah, i'm not all that happy about it either, but what can ya do.  :-\
[10:47] <Neatchee> really?  it only just cropped up now after updating to gutsy
[10:47] <Neatchee> although, interestingly, it hasn't reset since i came in here XD
[10:48] <act1v8> Neatchee: there is this workaround
[10:48] <act1v8> that might work
[10:48] <lee986321> well I di that way..the system downladed twice and never asked for a restart... now do I go on further nickrud..after the first 2 lines? taht is do i keep going after the first 2 lines?
[10:48] <Psi-Jack> Okay., Grrr.. This is starting to annoy me. In gconf-editor, when I set things manually to use <Super>letter, that letter becomes useless at all, and won't let me type that letter anymore. What's causing this?
[10:48] <act1v8> install the package "resolvconf"
[10:48] <thegve> I lost sound after my daily update/upgrade today by the way, more people having the problem or shall I figure it out myself?
[10:48] <act1v8> it should be in universe
[10:49] <act1v8> if it's still there
[10:49] <aLeSD_> hi all
[10:49] <nickrud> lee986321: you need to run restricted-manager , you can call it in a terminal
[10:49] <act1v8> and then eventually move through init's or restart :)
[10:49] <riotkittie> i'm assuming that you do, act1v8, so add skip_checks = yes to the bottom of the file, restart X, and if a blacklisted card is the root cause, compiz should startup and function fine.
[10:50] <lee986321> wahts the comand line for that? I selcted the driver as it told me
[10:50] <act1v8> skip_checks = yes to the bottom of the xorg.conf?
[10:50] <nickrud> lee986321: you chose the ati driver? checkmark?
[10:50] <act1v8> riotkittie: ^^
[10:50] <lee986321> yeah tahts waht it said to do after the first 2 lines
[10:50] <lee986321> I can uncheck it
[10:51] <nickrud> lee986321: ok, then check it again, make sure it says the driver is in use
[10:51] <nickrud> lee986321: don't uncheck
[10:51] <lee986321> oh ok yes it s in use nickrud
[10:51] <lee986321> ok
[10:51] <lee986321> I idn't
[10:51] <riotkittie> act1v8: no. to ...  ~/.config/compiz/compizconfig/config
[10:51] <lee986321> ok so on to the next set of lines then?
[10:51] <nickrud> lee986321:   in a terminal, lsmod | grep fglrx you should get two lines
[10:52] <AkiraYB> Hello, I'm using Kubuntu... Anyone know this problem? Sometimes, in password boxes, my keyboard (like kdesktop_lock, Ctrl+Alt+L) doesn't work. oO Weird. I've just upgrade to Gutsy.
[10:52] <act1v8> riotkittie: that file is empty
[10:52] <lee986321> ls as InLs
[10:52] <nickrud> ls as in ell ess
[10:53] <LiMaO> what's a good PIM software (besides evolution) that looks nice, has schedules, calendar, tasks, contacts and such stuff? (email is not priority)
[10:53] <act1v8> oh typo :)
[10:54] <Neatchee> lol what did act1v8 just do XD
[10:54] <lee986321> eh I having a difficult tiiem withat verticla line  eh wahts taht mean?
[10:55] <lee986321> how would look if I were to key it in?
[10:55] <Psi-Jack> Hrmm. Well, I got Keyboard Shortcuts to let me hit Win+key, showing up as Mod4+Key
[10:55] <riotkittie> act1v8: mine looks line this (/ signifying a new line) [gnome session]  / profile = / plugin_list_autosort = true / skip_checks = yes ... i'm not sure if you need all of it or not
[10:55] <act1v8> oh yeah
[10:55] <Psi-Jack> But, then it just plum doesn't work. heh
[10:55] <act1v8> 1002:5653
[10:55] <act1v8> that's the blacklisted card
[10:55] <nickrud> lee986321: it means 'take the output of the previous command and feed it to the next command' , and it's just above backslash on my keyboard
[10:55] <act1v8> how can I unblacklist-it :)
[10:55] <act1v8> I'll take the chance :)
[10:55] <riotkittie> act1v8: your file is empty?
[10:55] <redheat> hi everyone
[10:55] <redheat> just gotta a question? what is fluxubuntu?
[10:55] <act1v8> riotkittie: it was a typo in the path :)
[10:56] <redheat> I mean I know Kubuntu, Edubuntu and that third one..
[10:56] <Psi-Jack> redheat: Ubuntu with fluxbox as the windowing environment.
[10:56] <redheat> you mean as in gnome, and kDE
[10:56] <redheat> ?
[10:56] <Neatchee> Psi-Jack: Flubuntu? :P
[10:56] <Psi-Jack> redheat: No. Those are Desktop Environemnts.
[10:56] <act1v8> riotkittie: how can I unblacklist my card
[10:56] <redheat> oh you mean the whole thing acts like window
[10:56] <riotkittie> act1v8: did you add that line to the file?
[10:57] <redheat> as in PCOSLINUX
[10:57] <redheat> right?
[10:57] <Neatchee> redheat:  no, he means it uses Fluxbox instead of Gnome or KDE
[10:57] <Psi-Jack> redheat: If you don't know what fluxbox is, I would likely suggest you not concern yourself with it for now.
[10:57] <act1v8> riotkittie: yes, let me check again
[10:57] <redheat> is it a problem that I asking..
[10:57] <act1v8> [gnome_session] 
[10:57] <act1v8> profile =
[10:57] <act1v8> plugin_list_autosort = true
[10:57] <act1v8> skip_checks = yes
[10:57] <riotkittie> act1v8: did you get a compiz error when starting X?
[10:57] <redheat> that I asking..
[10:57] <act1v8> is that what's suppsed to be in the file?
[10:57] <act1v8> supposed
[10:57] <nickrud> fluxbox is definitely a tweaker's window manager
[10:57] <Sarco> hey all, i have a problem with the livecd. i can't see the mouse cursor... anyone know how to fix this? I'm using gutsy on x64 btw
[10:58] <Psi-Jack> nickrud: Yeah, tweaking from too many drugs. LOL
[10:58] <Neatchee> redheat: no, but Fluxbox is a very minimalist window manager, so if you aren't experienced enough to know what it is already, you'd probably just get in more trouble by trying to use it :)
[10:58] <Psi-Jack> hehe
[10:58] <nickrud> Psi-Jack: you read my mind :()
[10:58] <riotkittie> yea. hm. check System > Preferences , make sure effets are on
[10:58] <riotkittie> effects*
[10:58] <Psi-Jack> Granted. I used to be a major fvwm user, but still.
[10:58] <Psi-Jack> That was THEN.
[10:58] <redheat> Neatchee..I already have compizfusion running on Ubuntu and its doing fine..I guess I beyond a novice user for sometime now..
[10:59] <redheat> at least, is there a wiki about it?
[10:59] <act1v8> riotkittie: it says that they could not be enabled
[10:59] <act1v8> even though I added that line there
[10:59] <redheat> thank you anyway guys..truely appreciate it
[10:59] <act1v8> but when I do compiz --repace
[10:59] <act1v8> I see another error that there is no Xgl present
[11:00] <Neatchee> redheat: what I'm saying is that I'm a fairly experienced user, I backport software frequently, I manually configure a lot of applications, and even I steer clear of Fluxbox, because it requires an extraordinary amount of skill with linux to use it effectively in my opinion
[11:00] <Psi-Jack> I'm slowly but surely also upgrading my old Ubuntu-Server 6.10 to 7.03, prepping for 7.03 to 7.10 after that. :)
[11:00] <riotkittie> act1v8: hold on a sec. let me check launchpad
[11:00] <act1v8> ok
[11:00] <lee986321> lsmod\ grep fglrx ....lsmod grep: command not found
[11:00] <Psi-Jack> Err 7.04. Whatever it is. Fiesty.
[11:01] <Neatchee> lee986321: it's lsmod | grep fglrx, not \
[11:01] <lee986321> eh am I keying it in wrong or is it a frwarward slash?
[11:01] <nickrud> lee986321: the character above the slash
[11:01] <nickrud> lee986321: shift-backslash
[11:01] <Neatchee> Shift+\
[11:01] <Sarco> hey, can anyone help me figure out why i can't see the mouse cursor on the livecd?
[11:01] <lee986321> oh ok
[11:01] <act1v8> Sarco: try restarting X
[11:02] <Sarco> tried that, rebooted a bunch of times too
[11:02] <Sarco> no luck.
[11:02] <nickrud> act1v8: ati card?
[11:02] <lee986321> well in either case nothing happend lol
[11:02] <act1v8> nickrud: yes, mobility radeon
[11:02] <rohan> high resolution consoles are still broken in gutsy. . can anyone confirm ?
[11:02] <nickrud> lee986321: then sudo modprobe fglrx
[11:02] <rohan> i.e. vts after vga=791 and so
[11:02] <Solarion> rohan: what do you mean?
[11:02] <nickrud> act1v8: sudo aptitude install xserver-xgl
[11:02] <Solarion> rohan: ah, dunno
[11:02] <rohan> Solarion: just press ctrl-alt-f1 .. do you get a prompt to login ?
[11:03] <Solarion> rohan: I've not messed with he vga settings
[11:03] <Sarco> Anyone else have any ideas on getting my mouse cursor to show on the livecd?
[11:03] <act1v8> nickrud: but I want AIGLX... my card is driven by an open source driver ... I'm not using frglx
[11:03] <Psi-Jack> rohan: Hell, TEXT consols are broken for me.
[11:03] <rohan> Psi-Jack: exactly what i'm talking about
[11:03] <rohan> text consoles
[11:03] <nickrud> act1v8: then nm me, but it's odd it's asking for xgl then.
[11:03] <Psi-Jack> rohan: yep. I'm still suffering without text consoles, soon as gdm starts up.
[11:04] <Psi-Jack> rohan: Do you know if there's any alternative means to get them working for now? LOL
[11:04] <Ximal> what does it mean guys when a install asks you what are the init directories and then it says rcd.06/ etc
[11:04] <act1v8> nickrud: it might be just referring to having no composite enabled
[11:04] <Psi-Jack> I mean, I don't mind using fbcons, if that's an option that'll fix this.
[11:04] <Sarco> No one on mouse cursor not showing up on the livecd?
[11:04] <Ximal> err rc0.d/
[11:04] <rohan> Psi-Jack: yes, just remove vga=xxx line from your grub's menu.lst
[11:04] <nickrud> act1v8: gotta have either composite or xgl
[11:04] <lee986321> Error running install command for fglrx ?
[11:04] <Neatchee> hey act1v8:  How do I use this resolvconf package?
[11:04] <rohan> if you've not added it yourself, then i dunno what to do :)
[11:04] <Neatchee> to fix my problem?
[11:05] <nickrud> act1v8: exclusive or, that is
[11:05] <frank_> Ximal: you can use the default settings for vmware if I remember correctly
[11:05] <act1v8> Neatchee: after you installed it, restart, and it should take place immediately :)
[11:05] <Neatchee> alrighty
[11:05] <Neatchee> bbiab
[11:05] <lee986321> I got an error
[11:05] <Psi-Jack> rohan: Hmmm.. I have no vga=xx in mine.
[11:05] <sobersabre> hi guys. is this chan still about gutsy ?
[11:06] <act1v8> nickrud: do I have to get Xgl?
[11:06] <act1v8> let me restart just in case
[11:06] <riotkittie> for some reason, i'm thinking the blacklist override didnt kick in for me til after i rebooted.
[11:06] <sobersabre> I have too many packages trying to update-rc.d <something> multiuser <levels>, instead of "defaults"
[11:06] <riotkittie> but i may be wrong on that count.
[11:06] <sobersabre> any ideas why ?
[11:06] <Ximal> hmm
[11:06] <Ximal> is there any way to MOUNT the iso files included in the iso directory ?
[11:06] <nickrud> lee986321: did you install xserver-driver-fglrx ?
[11:07] <Ximal> maybe it includes automated help for installing
[11:07] <nickrud> lee986321: check that, xorg-driver-fglrx
[11:07] <sobersabre> hmm.. nvm. bye all
[11:07] <rohan> Psi-Jack: sorry, no idea then :)
[11:07] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[11:08] <nickrud> Ximal: when you select install vmware tools, it should mount the iso at /mnt (at least in the server)
[11:08] <Balachmar> Hi, I just upgraded to gutsy from feisty, but now it won't boot into gnome
[11:08] <Balachmar> it does boot in recovery mode.
[11:09] <Balachmar> The logs tell me there is an error loading the symbols module
[11:09] <Ximal> oh no..
[11:09] <Ximal> i noticed iso's in the install directory
[11:09] <Ximal> maybe i should burn the iso.. lol to a cd..
[11:09] <nickrud> Balachmar: try running sudo apt-get dist-upgrade a couple more times
[11:09] <Ximal> and just put it back in the drive and see if it works too
[11:09] <nickrud> Balachmar: then sudo apt-get -f install
[11:09] <frank23> Ximal: what did you do up to know? decompress the tar file?
[11:09] <lee986321> i did.... and and Iam now at where in the world is DISABLED_MODULES part: kdesu
[11:10] <Psi-Jack> nickrud: Hehe, I've always loved dist-upgrade. Run it more! Mooooore.. Okay good. Now cram it down and chalk it up.
[11:10] <nickrud> lee986321: ah, kde I don't know how to do compiz with kde
[11:10] <lee986321> eh ok KDE is Kunbuntu right
[11:11] <gnomefreak> ianm_: cryptset
[11:11] <ianm_> what technology does Gutsy use for "Encrypted hard disks" feature?
[11:11] <gnomefreak> ^^
[11:11] <lee986321> eh ok ill figur it out
[11:11] <gnomefreak> same as debian uses
[11:11] <nickrud> Psi-Jack: I use ncurses aptitude by pref. I've read that a few dist-upgrades help
[11:11] <lee986321> oh?
[11:11] <ianm_> is TrueCrypt included in the gutsy repos by any chance?
[11:11] <rohan> can anyone confirm that on latest kubuntu with updates, there is no OSD for the audio volume keys ?
[11:12] <lee986321> gnome then whereis at?
[11:12] <gnomefreak> not with that name
[11:12] <borovy3488> does anyone know why bazaar wouldn't install on gutsy?
[11:12] <lee986321> Gutsy is bazar lol
[11:12] <lee986321> you can't run a dvd on it
[11:12] <nickrud> lee986321: I'm just stuck, I started with gnome long ago, and kde never seemed enough better to swithc
[11:12] <rohan> or anyone know which package provides the OSD for kubuntu volume keys ?
[11:12] <lee986321> ah
[11:13] <borovy3488> it says that " Package bzr has no installation candidate"
[11:13] <borovy3488> any ideas why?
[11:13] <gnomefreak> ianm_: its possible its part of cryptsetup but not sure
[11:13] <Balachmar> nickrud: network interfaces are down
[11:13] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: sure it does
[11:13] <gnomefreak> !info bzr
[11:13] <ubotu> bzr: Bazaar, the next-generation distributed version control system. In component main, is optional. Version 0.90-1 (gutsy), package size 1979 kB, installed size 10260 kB
[11:13] <Balachmar> nickrud: so I cannot use apt-get update
[11:14] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: make sure you have no broken packages try sudo apt-get -f install
[11:14] <lee986321> ok in simpler termonology what is a dissabled module and waht are i nthe system does one go to find it
[11:14] <gnomefreak> without a package name
[11:14] <rohan> any kubuntu users here ? :(
[11:14] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: ok, its running now
[11:14] <gnomefreak> rohan: a few
[11:14] <nickrud> Balachmar: ouch. wired, I hope?
[11:14] <lee986321> well rohan Iam one lol
[11:14] <lee986321> still learning thae thing though
[11:14] <Balachmar> nickrud: well both wireless and wired are not working...
[11:14] <rohan> lee986321: then do the volume keys OSD work for you ?
[11:15] <rohan> lee986321: is your system fully updated ?
[11:15] <Balachmar> nickrud: though it is just some normal intel onboard thingy
[11:15] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: it says something about clamav not being able to install. how do i get rid of that?
[11:15] <gnomefreak> rohan: you might have to set them depending on the keyboard not so much user
[11:15] <lee986321> not sure about the keys but it keeps puking the updates..atm I can't run a dvd
[11:15] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: pastebin the exact error please
[11:15] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: command as well
[11:15] <borovy3488> ok, whats the pastebin website again
[11:16] <gnomefreak> !pastebin
[11:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:16] <gnomefreak> brb while you do that
[11:16] <lee986321> rohan I am still up dating
[11:16] <nickrud> Balachmar: and I found the neworkmanger stuff on gutsy so much better than feisty
[11:16] <Balachmar> nickrud: well it doesn't even get into gnome...
[11:16] <lee986321> well this makes a total of upadtes 253
[11:17] <nickrud> Balachmar: you normally use dhcp for getting an ip?
[11:17] <jtd> so I just did a dist-upgrade, and now my desktop is bigger than my screen resolution, and I can't set my screen resolution to its maximum.  anyone have any ideas why that would happen?
[11:17] <Balachmar> nickrud: yes
[11:17] <borovy3488> gnomefreak:here it is!  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40737/
[11:17] <lee986321> roahn weres the Modules thingy for chekcing dissable modules?
[11:18] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: could I just remove the clamav packages in synaptic
[11:18] <nickrud> Balachmar: add the following two lines to /etc/network/interfaces        auto eth0        iface eth0 inet dhcp       . then run sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[11:19] <nickrud> Balachmar: all things being standard, you should have net after that
[11:20] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: you can try
[11:20] <gnomefreak> blet me look first
[11:20] <theAtom> hello
[11:20] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: ok
[11:20] <theAtom> how can I stop a user accessing my external hard drive?
[11:20] <Balachmar> nickrud: ok, thanks should have thought about that myself
[11:21] <Meroigo> okay, when I got the ati restricted driver to be enabled, I get GPU rendering of 3D etc, but I can't enable desktop effects, it says "The Composite extension is not avalible"...
[11:21] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: try it but i doubt it will maybe try dpkg -r packagename
[11:21] <nickrud> theAtom: is it an ext3 or ntfs partition
[11:21] <mc44> Meroigo: you need xgl
[11:21] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: OK, I'm trying synaptic right now.
[11:21] <mc44> Meroigo: install xserver-xgl
[11:21] <Meroigo> =O
[11:21] <Meroigo> okai
[11:21] <jtd> can someone help me figure out why my desktop is stuck on a bigger size than my screen resolution, and why changing my screen resolution appears to do absolutely nothing?
[11:22] <theAtom> nickrud, NTFS
[11:22] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: sorry when i said try dpkg i meant try dpkg
[11:22] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: its not fully installed apt/synaptic may not most likely not remove it
[11:23] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: OK, hang on just a second, I'm trying.
[11:23] <theAtom> nickrud, NTFS
[11:23] <nickrud> theAtom: for ext3 it's easy; for ntfs I know it can be done but don't know, offhand. Ask for help with setting permissions on automounting ntfs partitions
[11:24] <theAtom> nickrud, :P
[11:24] <theAtom> k
[11:24] <theAtom> ask who? :)
[11:24] <nickrud> theAtom: heh. if it was an internal ntfs, I could tell you ;)
[11:24] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: OK, synaptic did remove them.  When I ran sudo apt-get -f install again, it asked me to run apt-get autoremove.  should i?
[11:24] <cypherdelic> My USer is in group vboxuser, but i still cant start any virtual box mashine
[11:24] <cypherdelic> My Gutsy still spawns to BusyBox and I have to manually luksOpen my encrypted LVM. Any Suggestions??.
[11:25] <nickrud> theAtom: when you phrase your question in general, tell them you've got an external ntfs partition you want to limit read access to when it automounts
[11:25] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: what are the packages it gives you to remove
[11:25] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: sudo apt-get -f install
[11:25] <lee986321> what is a module and how do you access it?
[11:25] <theAtom> nickrud, no need for the politics!  we all humans after all
[11:25] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: crap hang on
[11:25] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: the packages not the command
[11:26] <borovy3488>  gnomefreak:  libtext-glob-perl libdate-calc-perl libcarp-clan-perl libfile-find-rule-perl
[11:26] <borovy3488>   libnumber-compare-perl libbit-vector-perl
[11:26] <borovy3488> sorry about that
[11:26] <nickrud> theAtom: the reference to politics went past me, I only do politics here on leaving
[11:26] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: yes that is fine if you wish
[11:26] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: those look like friends of clamav
[11:26] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: ok, now how to get bzr on
[11:26] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: sudo apt-get update than sudo apt-get install bzr
 theAtom: when you phrase your question in general, tell them you've got an external ntfs partition...  <-- Politics
[11:27] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: ok running them
[11:27] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: ive had bzr installed so unless there is a problem with it it should install fine
[11:27] <jtd> CAN SOMEBODY HELP ME PLEASE?  XORG.CONF APPEARS TO ALL BE CORRECT, PASTEBINNED HERE: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/948/ THAT IS THE CORRECT INFORMATION FOR MY MONITOR AND GRAPHICS CARD.  IT WORKED FINE BEFORE I DID A LARGE DIST-UPGRADE WITH LOTS OF PACKAGES REPLACED, AND NOW I CANNOT SEEM TO ADJUST MY MONITOR RESOLUTION OR DESKTOP SIZE.  PUTTING MY MOUSE CURSOR AT THE EDGES OF SCREEN PUSHES THE "VIEWABLE" PART OF THE DESKTOP AROUND.  T
[11:27] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: ok, thanks
[11:27] <gnomefreak> theAtom: helps people understand the whole question. you dont have to if you dont want to but it would help in getting you help
[11:28] <gnomefreak> jtd: drop the capps
[11:28] <gnomefreak> than try that again
[11:28] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: wow, apt-get update is taking a while...
[11:28] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: yep
[11:28] <lee986321> heck with saftety if no one can tell me waht a module them i am skippimg the check
[11:28] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: been a while sinc eyou used it
[11:28] <theAtom> jtd, im deaf :P
[11:29] <theAtom> gnomefreak, i found a solution to depency problems I had with OO
[11:29] <gnomefreak> lee986321: what module
[11:29] <jtd> gnomefreak: I've asked the same question five times with no one paying attention.
[11:29] <lee986321> and wont restart until i have downloaded feisty 64 bit
[11:29] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: no, whats weird about it is that I did it this morning
[11:29] <theAtom> gnomefreak, did u read that webpage?
[11:29] <jtd> I'm getting a little bit desperate.
[11:29] <theAtom> gnomefreak, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-532154.html
[11:29] <gnomefreak> jtd: if noone knows they cant answer you
[11:29] <lee986321> the flgrx
[11:29] <theAtom> works on Gutsy too
[11:29] <gnomefreak> theAtom: most likely not
[11:30] <nzero> hey how can i play DVD's in ubuntu
[11:30] <theAtom> gnomefreak, it worked
[11:30] <gnomefreak> lee986321: i suggest either waiting or checking wiki.ubuntu.com or ubuntuforums.org
[11:30] <act1v8> ok Compiz isn't so important
[11:30] <lee986321> genomefreak this thingy Make sure fglrx is not disabled in the DISABLED_MODULES
[11:30] <act1v8> anyway
[11:30] <theAtom> gnomefreak, i put date forward one day, did apt-get update, anv it worked!  then I put clock back to normal and everything works
[11:30] <act1v8> when booting up I see no splash
[11:30] <theAtom> gnomefreak, read the webpage I gave u
[11:30] <xnitex> hey after i hook up an external monitor on my i945gm intel set
[11:30] <gnomefreak> lee986321: that would be l-r-m most likely
[11:30] <act1v8> and if I hit Ctrl+Alt+F2
[11:30] <xnitex> it changes my resolution to 800x600 how do i change back?
[11:30] <xnitex> maybe through terminal?
[11:30] <lee986321> ah wating until the full version comes out?
[11:30] <VousDeux> !dvd | nzero
[11:30] <ubotu> nzero: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:31] <act1v8> I can see that something is wrong
[11:31] <jtd> who knows how to "tolower()" some text using perl?
[11:31] <act1v8> something kinit
[11:31] <xnitex> !i945
[11:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i945 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:31] <xnitex> !intel
[11:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:31] <act1v8> not being able to do /dev/disk
[11:31] <lee986321> ah and that is genomefreak?
[11:31] <act1v8> something remove...
[11:31] <ianm_> jtd: is there no #perl ...?
[11:31] <gnomefreak> xnitex: what about the intel 945
[11:31] <theAtom> when 7.10 FINAL comes out in 2 days, do I have to delete Gutsy I have now and reinstall from the final version?
[11:31] <nzero> thanks vousduex
[11:31] <xnitex> gnomefreak: i hooked up an external to my vaio vgnfe670g
[11:31] <gnomefreak> theAtom: dont count on 2 days
[11:31] <nzero> ubotu:ping
[11:31] <ubotu> pong
[11:31] <xnitex> gnomefreak : and it fucked up the resolutions
[11:32] <gnomefreak> xnitex: whatch your language
[11:32] <theAtom> gnomefreak, when 7.10 FINAL comes out, do I have to delete Gutsy I have now and reinstall from the final version?
[11:32] <gnomefreak> watch even
[11:32] <xnitex> now i can't select 1280x800 again
[11:32] <xnitex> ?
[11:32] <gnomefreak> theAtom: upgrade
[11:32] <jtd> it seems kind of silly to join a channel for perl to ask one question which likely half this room can answer when it's directly related to Ubuntu
[11:32] <gnomefreak> theAtom: if your on gutsy now do your updates and you will be on final
[11:32] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: we have another error, I'll post it in the pastebin:: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40739/
[11:32] <lee986321> erg laanguage.. i know i am ticked but i am trying to control mysel.....grabs a can and beats it with a hammer
[11:32] <gnomefreak> jtd: what is your point, remember we dont HAVE to help you
[11:32] <theAtom> gnomefreak, so as long as I do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, I dont need to download the final ISO?
[11:33] <gnomefreak> theAtom: yes
[11:33] <gnomefreak> no need for another isop
[11:33] <theAtom> gnomefreak, yes??  so I need to download the ISO?
[11:33] <gnomefreak> iso
[11:33] <theAtom> ok
[11:33] <gnomefreak> theAtom: no
[11:33] <theAtom> understood
[11:33] <gnomefreak> upgrade to it
[11:33] <theAtom> good
[11:33] <theAtom> :)
[11:33] <lee986321> i hae one disk saved for the final release
[11:33] <nzero> xnitex, just face it man, linux was never made for graphics, thats why most of the people who use it stare at a black screen with white text
[11:33] <theAtom> lee986321, why bother?
[11:33] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: give me a sec please
[11:33] <lee986321> and i am probably going to use it lol
[11:33] <theAtom> nzero, rubish
[11:33] <nzero> lol
[11:33] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: no problem, im in no rush
[11:33] <theAtom> nzero, the graphicvs are nicer on ubuntu for me than on MS windows
[11:34] <Ax-Ax> 18 is friday?
[11:34] <Ax-Ax> th
[11:34] <nzero> i guess if your an nvidia user
[11:34] <ianm_> jtd: a million technologies are related to ubuntu, the point is that there are 302 other people here, and keeping things on topic improves the channel for everyone.  asking your question without joining a perl channel or, gasp, searching google, only helps you
[11:34] <theAtom> nzero, yes I am :)
[11:34] <lee986321> actually ..its giving me the chance to learn some coding  practices
[11:34] <theAtom> nzero, on Vista the nvidia drivers are old and suck
[11:34] <Ax-Ax> 303 now :)
[11:34] <theAtom> nzero, so better on ubuntu
[11:34] <jtd> ianm_: it's irrelevant now anyway
[11:35] <nzero> try using multiple heads on ati and you will run into problems
[11:35] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: sudo apt-get -f install   no packagename what is the output
[11:35] <gnomefreak> Ax-Ax: 19 is friday
[11:35] <Ax-Ax> oh
[11:35] <gnomefreak> and you most likely will not see it until friday
[11:35] <xnitex> gnomefreak : ?
[11:35] <borovy3488> gnomefreak 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 0 not upgraded
[11:36] <gnomefreak> xnitex: what?
[11:36] <ianm_> jtd: but you still get the point, I hope
[11:36] <xnitex> gnomefreak : my resolution problem?
[11:36] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: ok i asked if known issues whaiting on reply
[11:36] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: ok, thanks
[11:36] <gnomefreak> !fixres | xnitex
[11:36] <ubotu> xnitex: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:36] <nickrud> jtd: remove the virtual line from you screen section
[11:37] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: what version is it trying to install?
[11:37] <lee986321> well nickrud looks like the drivers are coming in the download lol
[11:37] <jtd> nickrud: I don't understand how that even got put there.  I've never selected that option.
[11:37] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: it doesn't even say, did you look at the pastebin thing?
[11:37] <jtd> nickrud: why would an upgrade suddenly magically put it in?
[11:37] <lee986321> eh the x,org files
[11:37] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: apt-cache policy bzr
[11:38] <nickrud> jtd: no clue.
[11:38] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: some apt/dpkg knownledge is good before running non stable releases
[11:38] <nickrud> lee986321: good, hope it works :)
[11:39] <nickrud> jtd: it might have gotten confused by the layout of your xorg.conf, even though it shouldn't have
[11:39] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: wayne@Waynes-laptop:~$ apt-cache policy bzr
[11:39] <borovy3488> bzr:
[11:39] <borovy3488>   Installed: (none)
[11:39] <borovy3488>   Candidate: (none)
[11:39] <gnomefreak> nickrud: you have bzr installed?
[11:39] <borovy3488>   Version table:
[11:39] <gnomefreak> hackel:
[11:39] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: enalbe universe repo
[11:39] <nickrud> gnomefreak: yes
[11:39] <lee986321> yeah just got a linux up grade for restricted drivers
[11:39] <gnomefreak> nickrud: nvm he doesnt have repo enabled
[11:39] <nickrud> gnomefreak: plan to learn it someday :)
[11:39] <gnomefreak> nickrud: its fun
[11:39] <mc44> gnomefreak: its in main
[11:40] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: ok, hang on
[11:40] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: please pastebin you /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:40] <gnomefreak> mc44: it is?
[11:40] <gnomefreak> !info bzr
[11:40] <mc44> !info bzr
[11:40] <jtd> nickrud: that fixed it, thanks.
[11:40] <nickrud> gnomefreak: so I hear, I've been using svn but it seems bzr is what's hot now
[11:40] <ubotu> bzr: Bazaar, the next-generation distributed version control system. In component main, is optional. Version 0.90-1 (gutsy), package size 1979 kB, installed size 10260 kB
[11:40] <gnomefreak> ah it is
[11:40] <gnomefreak> yay they moved it
[11:40] <gnomefreak> nickrud: bzr is easier to me than svn
[11:40] <lee986321> eh i need to close the c lol it just updated it
[11:41] <nickrud> gnomefreak: I use front ends as much as possible, eclipse has plugins for *everything* ;)
[11:41] <gnomefreak> bzr has a front end iirc
[11:41] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: here it is  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40742/
[11:41] <gnomefreak> bzr-gtk - provides graphical interfaces to Bazaar (bzr) version control
[11:42] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: you dont have the main repo at all
[11:42] <nickrud> looked at it, but since I haven't set up a bzr repo yet, haven't used it
[11:42] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: why do you have tuxfamily there?
[11:42] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: thats what i needed to get avant window navigator
[11:42] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: add deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted
[11:43] <mc44> how on earth did you manage to remove main?
[11:43] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: ok,working on it
[11:43] <gnomefreak> and add deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted
[11:43] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: no wonder you cant install anything
[11:43] <Arenlor> Does anyone here know about Azureus at all? It keeps crashing on me, don't know why
[11:43] <gnomefreak> without main universe restricted and multiverse wont work
[11:43] <nickrud> mc44: you'll be suprised how often you see that :)
[11:44] <mc44> nickrud: I know, always surprises thoug :)
[11:44] <rom1v> hi
[11:44] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: ok, they're added.  I really didn't remove them.  all i did was add tuxfamily
[11:44] <gnomefreak> he had to remove it to add tuxfamily in its place. borovy3488 did the gutsy main repo not slap you in the face telling you you need this
[11:44] <rom1v> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/144882 about my unresolved bug, I would like to try the intel driver : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/144882
[11:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144882 in network-manager "crashes with OOM" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[11:44] <rom1v> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/confirm.aspx?httpDown=http://downloadmirror.intel.com/10315/eng/iwlwifi-1.0.0-1.tgz&agr=&ProductID=2753&DwnldId=10315&strOSs=&OSFullName=&lang=eng
[11:45] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: you did or you turned it into tuxfamily as you removed the cdrom repos as well
[11:45] <rom1v> Have I just to ./configure make make install?
[11:45] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: i wish it did.  Is that all i needed to do?
[11:45] <rom1v> once untared
[11:45] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: remember ALWAYS add extra repos to bottom
[11:45] <nickrud> rom1v: there'll probably be an INSTALL file in the tarball with instructions
[11:45] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: after adding them save and close than run apt-get update
[11:46] <gnomefreak> borovy3488: you will want to run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade before installing bzr
[11:46] <gnomefreak> your in for a world of updates
[11:46] <rom1v> rom@rom-laptop:~/Desktop/iwlwifi-1.0.0-1$ sudo make[sudo]  password for rom:Makefile:20:Makefile:21: WARNING: $SHELL not set to bash.Makefile:22: If you experience build errors, tryMakefile:23: 'make SHELL=/bin/bash'.Makefile:24:Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/source'make: *** [compatible/kversion]  Erreur 1
[11:46] <rom1v> :(
[11:46] <borovy3488> gnomefreak: yea, I can see that now.  thanks for the help.
[11:46] <gnomefreak> np
[11:46] <rom1v> hmmm sorry I should use pastebin
[11:47] <nzero> !dvd
[11:47] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:47] <nzero> i can't seem to find AWN in the repos
[11:47] <nzero> what is the package name
[11:47] <nzero> !AWN
[11:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about awn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:47] <rom1v> http://pastebin.com/d162b81f2
[11:47] <mc44> nzero: it's not in the repos
[11:47] <rom1v> when I try to "make" the driver
[11:47] <rom1v> :(
[11:47] <nickrud> rom1v: try sudo aptitude linux-headers-$(uname -r) , then don't use sudo with make
[11:48] <nzero> oh
[11:48] <nzero> !compile
[11:48] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[11:48] <nickrud> rom1v: erm, sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) that is
[11:49] <nzero> is it hard to install a program thats not packaged, is that when compiling comes in
[11:49] <rom1v> 0 mis  jour, 0 nouvellement installs, 0  enlever et 0 non mis  jour.
[11:49] <nickrud> rom1v: try again, no sudo
[11:49] <rom1v> linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic is installed
[11:49] <nzero> !install
[11:49] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[11:49] <mc44> nzero: there are .debs for awn around, try google
[11:50] <nzero> lets so i want to install a program that doesn't use a .deb
[11:50] <nickrud> rom1v: have you looked for install instructions in the tarball?
[11:50] <rom1v> yes
[11:50] <Demortes> OK, so I upgrade to Gutsy, i boot into it for the first time, and I get nothing but a gray screen....
[11:50] <mc44> nzero: as I say, there are debs for awn
[11:50] <rom1v> make
[11:50] <Demortes> What did I do wrong?
[11:50] <rom1v> The driver package contains a Makefile that can be used for building thedriver outside of the kernel tree.  To build it for the currently runningkernel, simply type:        % make  <--- You may need to run this as root
[11:50] <gnomefreak> Demortes: did you see the grub or usplash
[11:51] <Demortes> GRUB and all came fine, got the login screen
[11:51] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[11:51] <Demortes> logged in, gray screen
[11:51] <contrast83> Anyone else having problems with KNetworkManager? It's not listing *any* devices at all in its context menu.
[11:51] <mc44> nzero: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42/ gutsy avant-window-navigator
[11:51] <gnomefreak> rom1v: make is normally not makeinstall is run with root
[11:51] <gnomefreak> Demortes: ah
[11:51] <gnomefreak> Demortes: welcome to the downsides of bulletproofX
[11:51] <rom1v> with sudo or without sudo it's the same problem
[11:51] <nickrud> rom1v: hm, then do exactly what the error message said about adding the shell specification
[11:51] <Demortes> gnomefreak, Meaning?
[11:51] <gnomefreak> Demortes: maybe boot recovery mode and change the driver to vesa
[11:52] <Demortes> gnomefreak, Hmm, wish I could mount my virtual hard disk in VMWare :P
[11:52] <nickrud> rom1v: but since I've never compiled that, I can only offer generic help
[11:52] <rom1v> "To build it for a different kernel than the running one, use the KSRC... " but it is the kernel I use
[11:52] <Demortes> gnomefreak, so how do I go about changing the driver? x.conf?
[11:52] <gnomefreak> Demortes: boot into recovery mode than edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to use vesa instead of whatever its using
[11:53] <lee986321> Well waht ever happend  I had to shift my monitor slightly to the right the graphics are smoother and such
[11:53] <Demortes> It should be using the restricted driver from nvidia
[11:53] <contrast83> Demortes: or sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:53] <lee986321> the system restarted no black screen
[11:53] <Demortes> OK, have to write these down :P
[11:53] <gnomefreak> lee986321: the connection may be bad like on mine
[11:53] <rom1v> there is no "source" folder in /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic
[11:53] <contrast83> Demortes: Using nvidia-glx-new?
[11:53] <gnomefreak> nickrud: its easy to do
[11:53] <lee986321> waht do you mean?
[11:53] <Demortes> contrast83, No clue, in Feisty, had the restricted driver in use
[11:53] <gnomefreak> contrast83: hes not using anything
[11:54] <lee986321> I have smooth graphics atm
[11:54] <gnomefreak> bpX mostlikely reset it
[11:54] <lee986321> screesn changed too
[11:54] <gnomefreak> Demortes: drop to tty and edit the file use irssi in another tty for us to help you
[11:54] <nzero> hey anyone ever have the problem where you installed FireGLcontrol panel and when you ran it, it said driver not support even though you were running FGLRX and the panel came up blank
[11:54] <gunashekar> hi
[11:55] <contrast83> Demortes: Do you still have the 2.6.22-12 or 2.6.22-13 kernel installed? If so, try booting into one of those from GRUB. That's what I've been having to do.
[11:55] <nickrud> gnomefreak: one less issue. You ubuntu'er's are getting closer and closer to bulletproof L ;)
[11:55] <lee986321> ah o kI need fire gl how do I get that lol
[11:55] <Demortes> gnomefreak, If I edit it to Vesa, will I get a gui to come to IRC?
[11:55] <gunashekar> the only issue left is sound on my laptop with gutsy
[11:55] <lee986321> genome or nick rud how do I ger Fireglx or..
[11:55] <gnomefreak> Demortes: hope so wont know till you tell me what it is on and what happens when you change it but should if you stop gdm from running first
[11:56] <lee986321> eh fire glx 11
[11:56] <Powerking89670> Can anyone help me with an issue where gnome warns me that "There was an error starting the Gnome Settings Daemon" at each boot
[11:56] <Arenlor> Does anyone here know about Azureus at all? It keeps crashing on me, don't know why
[11:56] <contrast83> Anyone else having problems with KNetworkManager? It's not listing *any* devices at all in its context menu.
[11:56] <gnomefreak> lee986321: not from our repos if you asking for that package by its right name
[11:56] <nickrud> lee986321: I'm not sure what you're doing there, but I simply followed the instructions on that page. Worked For Me
[11:56] <Demortes> gnomefreak, wish me luck :)
[11:56] <Demortes> contrast83, You too :P
[11:57] <gnomefreak> Demortes: no luck needed just use tty and irssi
[11:57] <contrast83> heh, good luck
[11:57] <gnomefreak> we can walk you through it that way
[11:57] <Demortes> gnomefreak, Will do, although I'm not familiar with it :)
[11:57] <lee986321> well I did too and everything is up and running...that up date jst majorly updated my xorg file
[11:57] <Demortes> gnomefreak, Thanks.
[11:57] <gnomefreak> good luck than :)
[11:57] <lee986321> I was too, but after the up grade it said nothing to  do
[11:58] <lee986321> I have the ati controler
[11:58] <Gorxon> Gutsy won't pick up my 2nd harddrive and it gives lots of "ATA2.00 : Failed to set xfermode" on boot. Any ideas what might be wrong? 7.04 worked perfectly
[11:59] <gnomefreak> Gorxon: upgrade?
[11:59] <nzero> when i start firegl control panel it says "Driver does not provide FireGL X11 Extensions! Panel Components will operate only partially. Then the control panel comes up blank except for a tab saying information and buttons saying apply, ok, and cancel
[11:59] <Meroigo> Okay, so where can i more on the depth configure compizfusion desktop effects thingie? :P
[11:59] <Gorxon> gnomefreak: fresh install
[12:00] <gnomefreak> Gorxon: than sounds like either hald or kernel issue either way file a bug on it this is one of those things unless you have really odd hardware it should be fixed this week
[12:00] <gnomefreak> nzero: that would be ati
[12:00] <nzero> its there problem not mine
[12:00] <Gorxon> so what package should that be files in?
[12:00] <contrast83> Meroigo: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[12:00] <gnomefreak> nzero: its the driver
[12:00] <Gorxon> *filed
[12:01] <Meroigo> thanks mate
[12:01] <gnomefreak> Gorxon: a bug should be filied
[12:01] <contrast83> np
[12:01] <gnomefreak> nzero: are you using xserver-xgl?
[12:01] <Gorxon> yes, but where?
[12:01] <nzero> yes
[12:01] <Gorxon> launchpad I guess
[12:01] <Gorxon> but any particular package?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> nzero: im gonna assuming this is compiz package
[12:02] <gnomefreak> Gorxon: try the kernel
[12:02] <nzero> gnomefreak:?
[12:02] <Gorxon> any command I can run to print hardware info?
[12:02] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: Have you solved your build problem yet?
[12:02] <Gorxon> to attach to the bug report
[12:02] <gnomefreak> Gorxon: you need to know what kernel your on does it work with another kernel and you want to give them logs (maybe  boot logs from /var/log
[12:02] <rom1v> no :(
[12:03] <gnomefreak> nzero: the package you are trying to run is a compiz type app?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> nzero: where you need to use compiz to use it
[12:03] <Gorxon> gnomefreak: it's the kernel shipped with gutsy RC
[12:03] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: I've just tested it and it builds against the kernel GIT source
[12:03] <Gorxon> can't remember the number, but will check
[12:03] <gnomefreak> Gorxon: than file it on the kernel (there was more than one kernel in gutsy
[12:04] <gnomefreak> Gorxon: uname -a
[12:04] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: Have you installed linux-source for your current kernel?
[12:04] <Powerking89670> I'm having a bug in gnome where panels dont like the bottom of my screen; the always move to the top, unless I delete them and make a new panel
[12:04] <rom1v> I don't have a "source folder"
[12:04] <rom1v> hmmm, I don't know ^^
[12:04] <gnomefreak> Powerking89670: its a known bug
[12:04] <nzero> gnomefreak:I am trying to gain access to the ATI control panel to config stuff, I am running XG: because compiz won't work with the restricted ATI drive unless XGL is on.
[12:04] <Gorxon> ok, thanks
[12:04] <gnomefreak> Powerking89670: please see launchpad.net for it
[12:04] <Powerking89670> gnomefreak: kk thank you :D
[12:04] <rom1v> linux-source-2.6.24 don't exist
[12:04] <rom1v> there is only linux-source-2.6.22
[12:05] <lee986321> well not sure waht happend between up date and doing waht i was ...but I no longe have the abillity to adjust my monitor lol
[12:05] <gnomefreak> rom1v: and your running .24?
[12:05] <rom1v> yes
[12:05] <gnomefreak> seeing as .23 was just released
[12:05] <gnomefreak> rom1v: than you might want to seek help in #linux
[12:05] <lee986321> heck...the entire module aint there lol
[12:05] <rom1v> euh no sorry it's ok it's 2.6.22-14
[12:05] <rom1v> :)
[12:06] <gnomefreak> pick one
[12:06] <rom1v> I thought it was .24 :)
[12:06] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:06] <gnomefreak> than you have the source package for it :)
[12:06] <rom1v> installing...
[12:06] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: *usually* you only need the linux-headers package to build a kernel module
[12:06] <daekdroom> how do i install xgl?
[12:06] <rom1v> ok but not with this one :(
[12:06] <daekdroom> i mean, what is the package.
[12:06] <rom1v> it needs source folder
[12:07] <rom1v> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/144882 (see the last answer)
[12:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144882 in network-manager "crashes with OOM" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[12:07] <nzero> !XGL
[12:07] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:07] <IntuitiveNipple> The *trick* I used to ensure the Intel Makefile finds the source-code is: "sudo ln -s /home/all/SourceCode/linux/ubuntu-gutsy /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/source"
[12:07] <daekdroom> nzero: i want package name.
[12:07] <nzero> use synaptic
[12:07] <lee986321> ok how do i get the fire gl x11 extensions?
[12:07] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: You could try doing something similar but linking the linux-headers directory to /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/source
[12:08] <nzero> install XserverXGL
[12:08] <daekdroom> thanks
[12:08] <rom1v> hmmm.... I am installing linux-source
[12:08] <lee986321> its the only thing i am missing
[12:08] <nzero> it even automatically starts itself at each session
[12:08] <rom1v> 45.4MB
[12:08] <lee986321> ty..is that with sudo?
[12:08] <cbox> hi there everyone!
[12:09] <nzero> yo yo my nigga
[12:09] <cbox> im having some troubles with a slow boot, and i have a bootchart to decipher. can anyone help please??
[12:09] <thread> has anyone found anything interesting about gutsy's sound setup? I can't seem to get any sound to come from my sblive's rear output
[12:09] <lee986321> eh is it apt get?
[12:09] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: Like... "sudo ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/source" and then do " make SHELL=/bin/bash"
[12:09] <nzero> gnomefreak:I am trying to gain access to the ATI control panel to config stuff, I am running XG: because compiz won't work with the restricted ATI drive unless XGL is on.
[12:09] <mc44> nzero: don't use language like that please
[12:10] <nzero> mc44: dude i'm black
[12:10] <mc44> nzero: so?
[12:10] <thread> this worked fine under feisty... but not anymore. I'm running jackd, and playback_1/playback_2 seem to output to the front channel, but playback_3/playback_4 don't seem to go output anywhere
[12:10] <cbox> nzero: can you help?
[12:10] <nzero> so it can use it, its not wrong when i say that, its a sign of friendship
[12:10] <gnomefreak> nzero: ask the channel not me and i suggest using proper language
[12:11] <cbox> guess not
[12:11] <mc44> nzero: it's offence to many people, so please don't
[12:11] <nzero> no
[12:11] <gnomefreak> nzero: when i use suggest i mean dont continue using it
[12:11] <mc44> *offensive
[12:11] <gnomefreak> nzero: that is if you want to get help
[12:11] <cbox> can someone give me a hand figuring out how to read a bootchart pic?
[12:11] <rom1v> IntuitiveNipple: thanks it seems ok
[12:11] <nzero> you people are racist
[12:11] <ianm_> haha
[12:11] <lee986321> eh i neet to getthe aplication
[12:11] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: Is it building the module now?
[12:11] <rom1v> ncement d'un pointeur de type incomplet/home/rom/Desktop/iwlwifi-1.0.0-1/compatible/iwl-3945-rs.c: In function iwl_rate_control_register":/home/rom/Desktop/iwlwifi-1.0.0-1/compatible/iwl-3945-rs.c:977: attention : implicit declaration of function ieee80211_rate_control_register"/home/rom/Desktop/iwlwifi-1.0.0-1/compatible/iwl-3945-rs.c: In function iwl_rate_control_unregister":/home/rom/Desktop/iwlwifi-1.0.0-1/compatible/iwl-3945-
[12:11] <rom1v>  ieee80211_rate_control_unregister"make[3] : *** [/home/rom/Desktop/iwlwifi-1.0.0-1/compatible/iwl-3945-rs.o]  Erreur 1make[2] : *** [_module_/home/rom/Desktop/iwlwifi-1.0.0-1/compatible]  Erreur 2make[1] : *** [modules]  Erreur 2make[1] : quittant le rpertoire  /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic make: *** [modules]  Erreur 2
[12:11] <rom1v> in fact, no
[12:11] <rom1v> lol
[12:12] <rom1v> sorry for the past
[12:12] <usser> aaa french :)
[12:12] <ianm_> oh nos, an erreur!
[12:12] <usser> looks weird :)
[12:12] <gnomefreak> rom1v: couldnt find pastebin?
[12:12] <rom1v> the habit to middle clic
[12:12] <rom1v> it's a reflex
[12:12] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: Ok... install the source, and do the soft-link (ln -s) to the /usr/src/.... directory instead
[12:12] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: Are you building for 32-bit or 64-bit ?
[12:12] <rom1v> 32
[12:13] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: Shame - I've got the 64-bit built here now :)
[12:13] <lee986321> eh i only have a partial pnnel
[12:13] <lee986321> no controls
[12:14] <rom1v> no doesn't work better
[12:14] <rom1v> I learn a thing from linux : "make" never works
[12:14] <rom1v> I already spend about 1 hour to compile VLC, never work, after installed about 50 libraries
[12:15] <bascule> but every package on ubuntu repos is built in ubuntu ...
[12:16] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: You must be doing something fundamentally wrong - Typically it takes me about 2 minutes to download configure and build and install source packages
[12:16] <rom1v> just type "make"
[12:16] <rom1v> there are no many mistakes to make while typing "make"
[12:16] <rom1v> :D
[12:17] <rom1v> always a missing library
[12:17] <IntuitiveNipple> For kernel modules, the module Makefile must reference the kernel Makefile, the .config, and the headers
[12:17] <rom1v> or a bugged .c
[12:17] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: For user packages then you have to ensure you've got all the -dev header packages for the libraries the application requires.
[12:18] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: That's the main purpose of the configure or automake scripts, to ensure you have the pre-requisites in place :)
[12:19] <basti> where can I view the compiz functions of 7.10?
[12:19] <bascule> alt+f2 ccsm
[12:19] <rom1v> http://pastebin.com/d1e8753d2
[12:19] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: My usual steps are: ./configure prefix=/usr ; make ; sudo make install
[12:19] <rom1v> there is no ./configure file in this archive :(
[12:20] <rom1v> /home/rom/Desktop/iwlwifi-1.0.0-1/compatible/iwl-3945-rs.c:43:44: erreur: ../net/mac80211/ieee80211_rate.h : Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type
[12:20] <rom1v> the first error
[12:20] <rom1v> no ieee80211_rate.h file
[12:20] <rom1v> what a shame
[12:20] <rom1v> lol
[12:21] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: Here's what it should show: http://pastebin.intuitivenipple.net/78
[12:21] <basti> no idea?
[12:21] <rom1v> great... :)
[12:21] <bascule> alt+f2 ccsm <-- basti
[12:21] <rom1v> I would prefer in my shell than on pastebin
[12:21] <rom1v> :D
[12:22] <Demortes> gnomefreak: HELP!
[12:22] <neverblue2> does Gutsy have LTS ?
[12:22] <gnomefreak> neverblue2: no
[12:23] <gnomefreak> 8.04 will
[12:23] <daekdroom> nerverblue2: why would someone want LTS? o.0
[12:23] <rom1v> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/144882 and I don't know if I can hope a solution for the bug fix in the kernel
[12:23] <neverblue2> Feisty didnt either,
[12:23] <rom1v> ;(
[12:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144882 in network-manager "crashes with OOM" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[12:23] <Demortes> gnomefreak: lol, you were just telling me what to do... I booted, and the thing wouldn't install irssi
[12:23] <gnomefreak> Demortes: and the error was?
[12:23] <neverblue2> daekdroom, im assuming your not looking for a response to that
[12:23] <gnomefreak> no installtion canidatre?
[12:23] <gnomefreak> -r
[12:23] <Demortes> gnomefreak: Well, I did apt-get and whatnot, said that I needed to run dkpg something or other with -a
[12:23] <daekdroom> neverblue2: they give enough support every version
[12:23] <gnomefreak> Demortes: you have to comment out cdrom repo and enbale the net repos
[12:24] <basti> thx
[12:24] <Demortes> gnomefreak: I did, and now it refuses to set up HAL
[12:24] <gnomefreak> Demortes: run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:24] <Demortes> gnomefreak: I'm on irssi now.
[12:24] <bascule> IntuitiveNipple: dpkg -S ieee80211_rate.h <-- what does your machine show for that
[12:24] <neverblue2> daekdroom, im not looking for an opinion, thanks anyways
[12:24] <gnomefreak> Demortes: that might fix your X issue as well
[12:24] <Demortes> gnomefreak: How do I shove this to the background and recall it?
[12:24] <gnomefreak> Demortes: ctrl+alt+f#
[12:24] <gnomefreak> and just go back and forth
[12:24] <Demortes> gnomefreak: Forgot about that, thanks.
[12:25] <basti> bascule,  I cant find the shortcuts :(
[12:25] <Demortes> gnomefreak: I don't get any prompt on f2
[12:25] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: Yes, that first error report you get confirms you must have the kernel source, not just the headers
[12:25] <gnomefreak> Demortes: than try f3
[12:25] <Demortes> gnomefreak: Nothing on any f
[12:25] <gnomefreak> damn
[12:25] <blayde> so i was wondering, when on the 18th is gutsy released? 00:00 UTC?
[12:25] <Demortes> gnomefreak: I'll just write it down
[12:25] <gnomefreak> Demortes: thats bad
[12:25] <bascule> basti: doesn't alt+F2 bring up the run box for you?
[12:25] <rom1v> what is strange is that some people with exactly the same laptop manage to use their wifi card
[12:25] <mc44> blayde: when it's ready
[12:25] <Demortes> gnomefreak: I'm in recovery
[12:25] <rom1v> with the kernel driver
[12:25] <gnomefreak> Demortes: that could be why
[12:25] <CheeseGardener> is 10.9% contingous files bad for ubuntu?
[12:25] <gnomefreak> Demortes: if you can open a terminal run it there
[12:25] <basti> bascule,  it does and I habe CompizCOnfig here
[12:26] <IntuitiveNipple> bascule: "dpkg: *ieee80211_rate.h* not found." (but that is expected since I don't have linux-source installed)
[12:26] <gnomefreak> Demortes: assuming you are in X in recovery mose
[12:26] <gnomefreak> mode
[12:26] <Demortes> gnomefreak: Just recovery mode... all text base, no gui
[12:26] <bascule> IntuitiveNipple: I do(?) and I get that too
[12:26] <gnomefreak> Demortes: oh
[12:26] <Demortes> gnome I'll come back after runnin ghtat
[12:26] <gnomefreak> IntuitiveNipple: did you miss the -S
[12:26] <IntuitiveNipple> bascule: nope... I work from the kernel GIT source
[12:26] <neverblue2> so Edgy was the last with LTS ?
[12:27] <gnomefreak> neverblue2: dapper
[12:27] <bascule> IntuitiveNipple: I think that is the answer to your build working and rom1v's not
[12:27] <gnomefreak> neverblue2: if its not gutsy related please join #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu depending on what you are asking
[12:28] <daekdroom> neverblue2: Edgy wasn't LTS
[12:28] <daekdroom> Dapper was
[12:28] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: when the source is installed you should have /usr/src/*/net/mac80211/ieee80211_rate.h
[12:28] <bascule> basti: compizconfig-settings-manager is what you need
[12:28] <basti> i have it open
[12:28] <basti> but I cant find the keyboard shortcuts
[12:29] <blayde> mc44, i knew that - just looking for a time so I'll be ready to start torrenting it
[12:29] <rom1v> ok I'll see later, thank you for your help, I have an exam tomorro
[12:29] <rom1v> w
[12:29] <rom1v> :)
[12:29] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: good luck... with both !
[12:29] <bascule> basti: they are in the end tab on the plug-ins that support them, actions -> general
[12:29] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: I'm downloading the linux-source package now to check it works too
[12:30] <rom1v> is there a way to change this "fu****" wifi card in a laptop?
[12:30] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: If you can wait 3 minutes I can tell you if it works
[12:30] <basti> for example how to oben that cube?
[12:31] <rom1v> are u there on wednesday?
[12:31] <bascule> rom1v: yes, wireless modules are easy to change on  most laptops
[12:31] <demortes> gnomefreak: Alright, now I don't get the gray screen
[12:31] <bascule> basti: enable the cube
[12:31] <demortes> let me run your command
[12:32] <basti> done
[12:32] <gnomefreak> demortes: are you using vesa?
[12:32] <basti> thanks
[12:32] <bascule> then in the general options -> desktop size -> horizontal virtual size=4
[12:32] <demortes> gnomefreak: No. I ran the dkpg-reconfigure -a command apt told me a while go, and I stop getting the grey screen, but no real gui
[12:32] <bascule> basti: ^^
[12:33] <rom1v> see u on wedn
[12:33] <basti> but there are only two workspaces :-/
[12:33] <savanah__> ola...
[12:33] <basti> in earlier versions they could be modified by rightclick
[12:33] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: Testing it now
[12:33] <basti> now thats not possible
[12:33] <bascule> basti: doesn't matter
[12:33] <rom1v> no time sorry :D
[12:33] <rom1v> ;)
[12:33] <basti> hm?
[12:33] <rom1v> thank you
[12:33] <bascule> basti: set horizontal to 4 and all should be well
[12:33] <savanah__> well OO is a mess in kub gg + compiz
[12:33] <gnomefreak> demortes: try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade see if it helps but no real gui doesnt mean much to me
[12:34] <demortes> It fails to set up hal, gnome-mount, gnome-volume manager, and a host of other things
[12:34] <basti> there are only 2 :(
[12:34] <gnomefreak> demortes: ah good see we are getting there
[12:34] <logreeval> anyone know about rt61 wireless problems in gutsy?
[12:34] <savanah__> basti: open compizmanager and set 4
[12:34] <basti> aah
[12:34] <demortes> gnomefreak: says it needs to get over 200+ MB of new packages
[12:34] <gnomefreak> demortes: can you pastebin the errors?
[12:34] <gnomefreak> demortes: good do it
[12:34] <demortes> gnomefreak: No. and already started
[12:34] <gnomefreak> demortes: good
[12:35] <basti> on some screenshots, there is a real cube visible
[12:35] <savanah__> hey problem here with OO
[12:35] <basti> here not :(
[12:35] <gnomefreak> when its done reboot if everything installs properly
[12:35] <demortes> gnomefreak: Roger
[12:35] <gnomefreak> savanah__: is the problem still there after disabling compiz
[12:35] <savanah__> gnomefreak: no without compiz is ok
[12:36] <demortes> gnomefreak: Heh, I think this happened due to a power outage while upgrading.
[12:36] <gnomefreak> savanah__: file a bug on compiz about OO.o
[12:36] <gnomefreak> demortes: that is a most likely yes (helps to say this at start)
[12:36] <savanah__> gnomefreak: where... on opencompositing?
[12:37] <[ASG] > :D
[12:37] <demortes> gnomefreak: lol, sorry. I didn't realize it until it said that some packages wern't fully installed.
[12:37] <[ASG] > hello
[12:37] <Jonbo> I have a problem: if I start gdm right after I install the nvidia drivers, everything works.. but right after I restart my machine, I get "Ubuntu is running in low-graphics mode"
[12:37] <gnomefreak> savanah__: file bug against compiz and explain the bug thats all
[12:38] <gnomefreak> Jonbo: wrong drivers maybe
[12:38] <IntuitiveNipple> rom1v: The module builds correctly with linux-source, after extracting the archive in /usr/src and creating a soft-link "sudo ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22  /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/source"
[12:38] <Jonbo> I'm sure I have the right ones
[12:38] <Jonbo> lol
[12:38] <demortes> Jonbo: You sure that driver is supporting your card?
[12:39] <savanah__> gnomefreak: I opened already on ubuntuforums
[12:39] <Jonbo> yeah.. it worked fine with 7.04
[12:39] <Jonbo> well there might have been an update in between
[12:39] <gnomefreak> savanah__: the developers dont hang out there. if you expect it to get fixed file a bug on launchpad
[12:39] <savanah__> gnomefreak: this happen with last upgrades of OO yday/tday
[12:39] <demortes> Jonbo: You try a complete reinstall of the driver?
[12:39] <Jonbo> demortes: many times..
[12:39] <gnomefreak> Jonbo: try nvidia-glx
[12:39] <TheRepacker> Jonbo: what card do you have?
[12:40] <gnomefreak> Jonbo: that error iirc is because of the wrong drivers
[12:40] <Jonbo> 6200
[12:40] <gnomefreak> you should be using the right drivers if using -new
[12:41] <gnomefreak> that is  ago card iirc
[12:41] <gnomefreak> a go card
[12:41] <TheRepacker> Jonbo: then make sure you are using nvidia-glx 9639 drivers
[12:41] <demortes> That's sad, i'm freezing here, cause my house doesn't have adaquate heating, and my cat is sitting on my coat. Instead of taking the coat from her, I decided to cover her up a little better. lol
[12:41] <bascule> can you subscribe to a launchpad bug so you get email notification like bugzilla?
[12:41] <crdlb> TheRepacker, -new supports 6xxx
[12:41] <demortes> Yes, I know, offtopic.
[12:41] <gnomefreak> demortes: please keep it support releated in here
[12:41] <markelhas> hi ppl, yesterday i was trying to config my d-link dwl-g650m. i've test to many things, but i've managed to put it working. However after a reboot the wireless don't work any more. How can i trace the problem? plz hlp.
[12:42] <gnomefreak> crdlb: -new supports go cards?
[12:42] <crdlb> it support all cards that are FX series or newer
[12:42] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:42] <TheRepacker> yes, but there is a regressive bug in 100.14.11 and 100.14.11 that affects series 7 and 6 cards
[12:42] <gnomefreak> TheRepacker: we dont have those versions
[12:42] <gnomefreak> we are at 100.14.19 iirc
[12:43] <gnomefreak> yep still 19
[12:43] <demortes> how do I switch "windows" in irssi? like a private message, etc
[12:43] <bascule> alt+number
[12:43] <TheRepacker> 100.14.19, the 100.14.09 is ok but not in the repros, then 9639 is, I have spent about a month getting things to work
[12:43] <demortes> bascule: Thanks.
[12:43] <gnomefreak> demortes: ctrl+n ctrl+p /win #
[12:44] <markelhas> yesterday i was trying to config my d-link dwl-g650m. i've test to many things, but i've managed to put it working. However after a reboot the wireless don't work any more. How can i trace the problem? plz hlp.
[12:44] <gnomefreak> demortes: example /win 10
[12:44] <gnomefreak> will bring you to 10th window
[12:44] <demortes> gnomefreak: I got it already, thanks. :)
[12:44] <gnomefreak> ^+n is next ^+p is prevois
[12:44] <gnomefreak> and so on
[12:44] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:44] <demortes> gnomefreak: Now how do I close it?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> demortes: /wc
[12:44] <TheRepacker> check the nvidia forims, nvidia knows about the bug and their workarounf is to revert back to 14.09
[12:45] <demortes> gnomefreak: Perfect :)
[12:46] <RAdam2> Does the graphical installer allow for encrypted volumes yet?
[12:46] <TheRepacker> because that is what nvidia says, but 100.14.09 is not in the repros
[12:46] <gnomefreak> since the 19 is upstream version we dont touch it and we cant change thier drivers so 19 is same for nvidia and us
[12:46] <gnomefreak> TheRepacker: you said 19 doesnt have the issue so im gonna guess thats a typo
[12:46] <gnomefreak> if 19 does have it
[12:47] <IanLiu> I have just upgraded Feisty to Gutsy, but my sound card wasnt recognized
[12:47] <IanLiu> What should I do  to setup it?
[12:47] <TheRepacker> I have been using 9639 for over a week, all the eye candy and full screen games, no pobs
[12:47] <nzero> what is better, XGL or AIXGL
[12:47] <gnomefreak> i have no problems with -new but im using 5200 or 5500 dont remmeber i have so many cards
[12:47] <gnomefreak> aiglx
[12:48] <gnomefreak> nzero: did i ban you
[12:48] <nzero> why
[12:48] <markelhas> yesterday i was trying to config my d-link dwl-g650m. i've test to many things, but i've managed to put it working. However after a reboot the wireless don't work any more. How can i trace the problem? plz hlp.
[12:48] <Jonbo> still brings up "Ubuntu is running in low-graphhics mode"
[12:48] <TheRepacker> the problem is with series 6 and 7 cards, 5 is ok
[12:48] <gnomefreak> TheRepacker: i know
[12:48] <IanLiu> What should I install to make sound work?? My Gusty couldn't install drivers for sound...
[12:48] <gnomefreak> just commenting on you said that 19 and 09 are ok it made me wonder
[12:49] <TheRepacker> I had to use ENVY to completely remove 100.14.XX and the completely re-install the kernels, a lot of work, but I am now rock solid
[12:49] <gnomefreak> @btlogin
[12:49] <gnomefreak> ubuntu ty
[12:49] <mc44> gnomefreak: your first ban had too many @s :)
[12:50] <gnomefreak> it did?
[12:50] <gnomefreak> ah it did
[12:50] <gnomefreak> oops
[12:50] <cafuego> omg!!@@@@!!
[12:50] <gnomefreak> fixed
[12:50] <RAdam2> Does the graphical installer allow for encrypted volumes yet?
[12:51] <IanLiu> Did someone had problems with Sound in Gutsy?
[12:52] <markelhas> can any one help me with wifi config?
[12:52] <LiMaO> IanLiu: seems like lots of people had problems with it
[12:52] <noah> IanLio_, I'm having some serious sound problems what kind of card do you have
[12:52] <IanLiu> hmm, it is onBoard, Intel
[12:53] <IanLiu> should I try to install a gstreamer plugin?
[12:53] <markelhas> yesterday i was trying to config my d-link dwl-g650m. i've test to many things, but i've managed to put it working. However after a reboot the wireless don't work any more. How can i trace the problem? plz hlp.
[12:53] <noah> IanLio_, alright I've an nvidia card
[12:54] <IanLiu> I've got a nVidia for video, I think my sound card is Intel..
[12:54] <noah> IanLio_, so it is not specific to cards
[12:54] <IanLiu> hmm
[12:54] <IanLiu> thats sad.. =(
[12:55] <IanLiu> Is it reported?
[12:55] <IanLiu> Maybe I should wait October 18 =)
[12:55] <IanLiu> I cant find desktop effects. Where are they available?
[12:56] <IanLiu> Oh, I think I found it
[12:57] <IanLiu> Haha! Thats nice!
[01:01] <Tixer> For some reason, upgrading to gutsy broke Icecast.
[01:02] <Tixer> There a pastebin here?
[01:03] <mc44> !paste | Tixer
[01:03] <ubotu> Tixer: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:04] <seanh> Hey, has the realplayer package been removed from Gutsy? I can't find it. Trying to play a real audio stream, the only thing that will play it is mplayer, and that keeps crashing
[01:05] <Tixer> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40753/
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[01:07] <Tixer> Anyone know why I can't get icecast working?
[01:07] <demortes> gnomefreak: HELP! lol, did the distupgrade, and it still says can't set up HAL, etc
[01:07] <LiMaO> unaffiliate: how do you make money out of it?
[01:07] <demortes> gnomefreak: Says dependency issues on a bunch of them.
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[01:08] <demortes> gnomefreak: I can't, I have no mouse, and no clue how to copy and paste let alone select.
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[01:08] <Tixer> Anyone know why I can't get icecast working, I did a pastebin here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40753/
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[01:10] <gnomefreak> demortes: than run the command or figure out how to install the depends if they depend on eachother than sudo dpkg --configure hal or whatever package is listed last in the depends list
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[01:10] <lamego> Tixer, I would say the daemon is switching ti uid 1000, and the files are not writable by that user
[01:10] <lamego> the log files
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[01:11] <Tixer> so what would you say to fix it?
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[01:11] <demortes> gnomefreak: Found more out, the post install script is returning exit status 1...
[01:11] <lamego> Tixer, changing the file owner, to the uid of the daemon
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[01:12] <Tixer> english, plz?
[01:12] <gnomefreak> demortes: i cant help atm please ask the channel im in the middle of something
[01:12] <demortes> gnomefreak: OK :)
[01:13] <demortes> I have a problem, the HALd wont launch. Says something like "invoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed."
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[01:13] <lamego> Tixer, the exact fix, depends on the exact reason for your problem, a possible fix would be: chown -R 1000:1000 /var/log/icecast2
[01:16] <demortes> I have a problem, the HALd wont launch. Says something like "invoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed."
[01:18] <joebobjoe> hello?