[07:55] <dholbach> good morning
[12:45] <Mithrandir> lool: what's the status of the new hildon-desktop?
[12:47] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Not likely to hit gutsy, but it turns out it's not needed
[12:48] <mjg59> The new marquee stuff should work with the current package - I uploaded a revised hildon-desktop with the config file changes that it and moblin-applets needed
[12:48] <mjg59> Then uploaded all of them this morning
[12:49] <mjg59> (Argh, and forgot to commit the changes to hildon-desktop to bzr - I'll do that later on)
[12:51] <Mithrandir> mjg59: ok.  I saw your upload at an insane hour this morning; thanks a lot for your effort over the weekend.
[12:52] <Mithrandir> I'm looking at setting up the build infrastructure to pull stuff from the PPAs
[12:53] <lool> Mithrandir: The status is as I and Bob describe this WE?!
[12:55] <lool> Mithrandir: Should I recap what happened since thursday?
[12:56] <Mithrandir> lool: I've mostly seen fragments, so if you have a coherent view, it'd be useful to get, yes.
[12:56] <lool> Mithrandir: So the plan was that I would update hildon-desktop to a newer upstream release, then I would merge the git tree pointed by Bob, then the patch pointed by Bob (as discussed in our last meeting)
[12:57] <lool> I updated to a new upstream release matching closely the beginning of the Git tree Bob wanted us to pull, but when I looked more precisely at the tree, it was very hard to merge
[12:58] <lool> Then I contacted various people to get input on what should be merged from this tree, and when Bob came back we had a long exchange where he summed up the changes (see my mail) and proposed to merge them
[12:58] <lool> But then Bob also didn't succeed in merging the changes and pointed you at a single changes he still wanted in Gutsy
[12:59] <lool> So the current status for me is that the bzr tree has to be tested and uploaded for the new upstream version and you should perhaps look into the change Bob pointed at in his last mail
[12:59] <lool> (I also included the gconf patch from Bill which Bob wanted)
[01:17] <lool> Hmm so this is how it looks in Xephyr here http://people.dooz.org/~lool/ume-xephyr.png
[01:17] <lool> Not too nice and many errors and non working apps
[01:21] <Mithrandir> lool: point.  Can you check if installing hildon-theme-ume-basic helps?  I think it might.
[01:23] <lool> I have hildon-theme-mobile-basic installed if that's what you meant
[01:24] <Mithrandir> no, there's a new one from Peter Zhu
[01:29] <lool> I don't see it yet then; I updated this morning only
[01:30] <lool> Mithrandir: Can't find it yet
[01:33] <Mithrandir> lool: http://err.no/tmp/hildon-theme-layout-4_0.8.2-1ubuntu4.tar.bz2 http://err.no/tmp/hildon-theme-layout-4_0.8.2-1ubuntu4.tar.bz2
[01:40] <lool> Mithrandir: 403
[01:53] <Mithrandir> lool: fixed
[01:58] <lool> Grabbed it; you can rm it if you like
[02:13] <lool> Mithrandir: There's no hildon-theme-ume-basic there and hildon-desktop depends on maemo-launcher which I don't have either
[02:14] <Mithrandir> there = ?
[02:15] <Mithrandir> lool: http://err.no/tmp/hildon-theme-ume-basic_4.8.2-1.tar.bz2 was the second URL I meant to send you
[02:15] <lool> Ok, I thought you pasted the same one twice by mistake
[02:17] <Mithrandir> yes, I meant to paste two, but I pasted one twice
[02:23] <lool> Mithrandir: I really need maemo-launcher with the hildon-desktop you handed me
[02:24] <lool> Mithrandir: With the new hildon-desktop, /usr/bin/hildon-desktop: broken symbolic link to `maemo-invoker'
[02:24] <Mithrandir> lool: I didn't hand you any hildon-desktop
[02:24] <lool> Crap
[02:25] <lool> So the new hildon-desktop needs a new package
[02:25] <mjg59> Which new hildon-desktop?
[02:25] <lool> The one in bzr
[02:25] <mjg59> Oh, right
[02:25] <mjg59> We don't need it for gutsy
[02:26] <lool> mjg59: Bob wanted a new upstream release for some bug fixes, but I guess we can go without
[02:26] <mjg59> I think he's resigned to it being post-gutsy
[02:27] <mjg59> marquee-lala works with the current one
[02:27] <Mithrandir>  the current dailies look fine here.
[02:29] <lool> Mithrandir: How current is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonDesktopManualProcedure?  This is what I followed, but even with your theme there are plenty of display issues and almost no app works
[02:29] <msa> dare I ask...? gutsy has apparmor patches.. does mobile ubuntu have it? or planned?
[02:29] <lool> I guess I should use moblin-image-creator instead, this would give me better results?
[02:29] <Mithrandir> lool: probably not very recent.
[02:29] <mjg59> We use the same kernel
[02:30] <lool> Mithrandir: So could you share your test desktop test methods?  Are these chroot based?  Or perhaps qemu/vmware/virtualbox based?  Are you using mic?
[02:31] <lool> s/test desktop test/desktop test
[02:31] <lool> I still didn't get the device (Claire asked me whether it arrived this morning, but nothing)
[02:33] <Mithrandir> lool: I use the daily builds and real devices
[02:34] <lool> Then I'm out of luck for now; anyone here who still uses Xephyr or virtualization?
[02:35] <Mithrandir> do you have ubuntu-mobile installed in the chroot?
[02:37] <ian_brasil> lool: i have updated some of the docs...the html versions are here: http://172.18.216.49/gutsyguide/C/index.html
[02:37] <lool> Mithrandir: Yes
[02:39] <ian_brasil> this is on my lap top for now so just accept the google gears and then you can work offline with themine with
[02:39] <lool> ian_brasil: I can't access it; from home it's idling like it's going to timeout and from my collo server it says From 194.242.112.1 icmp_seq=1 Destination Net Unreachable
[02:40] <lool> (trying to ping 172.18.216.49)
[02:40] <lool> From home I can't ping you either
[02:40] <ian_brasil> ok...i will put them on a world reachable server...give me 5 mins
[02:40] <lool> Thanks!
[02:41] <lool> Can't reach it from a third server either (all different locations)
[02:44] <ian_brasil> lool: http://172.18.216.232/gutsyguide/
[02:45] <lool> ian_brasil: Same issues with this other IP
[02:45] <lool> Timeouts from two places, unreachable from a third one
[02:46] <lool> ian_brasil: Is there a public VCS for the guide?  Perhaps on launchpad?
[02:47] <ian_brasil> lool: no, there is a launchpad project for the guide but no VCS
[02:48] <ian_brasil> i will put them on my server outside the network here which should work
[02:49] <lool> ian_brasil: Thanks; of if it's not too big you could perhaps zip it and use an email?
[02:49] <ian_brasil> yes, good idea...i will do that first
[03:04] <agoliveira> Anyone else getting this problem using image-creator: Failed to fetch http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/universe/m/marquee-plugins/marquee-plugins_0.4_lpia.deb  Size mismatch
[03:04] <agoliveira> Failed to fetch http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/universe/u/ume-config-common/ume-config-common_0.7_all.deb  Size mismatch
[03:35] <lool> agoliveira: Mirror issue?  Bad timing?
[03:36] <agoliveira> lool: I don't know. Probably something wrong with the package itself? I had the same problem earlier.
[03:49] <ian_brasil> lool: http://umeguides.net ..sorry for the delay..i have to jump through various hoops to get outside the network here
[03:52] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: Cool stuff, congrats :)
[03:52] <ian_brasil> agoliveira: thx
[03:54] <lool> ian_brasil: Did you install gears on gutsy?
[03:55] <ian_brasil> i installed the firefox plugin...i tried on the midbrowser but it does not work there (yet?)
[03:55] <lool> ian_brasil: Just FYI, the "Download Gears" link in the guide itself opens a new tab on the guide instead of the gears website
[03:56] <lool> ian_brasil: It refuses to install under gutsy amd64 for me, so I wont enjoy that part; would have been cool :)
[03:57] <lool> ian_brasil: Thanks for the docs; I'll browse them from the web site!
[03:58] <ian_brasil> ok...thx..i was planning to put it up next week in reality (after doing some debugging)  but cool it nearly works ;)
[03:58] <lool> ian_brasil: Concerning 2.1: it seems plankton isn't the current theme anymore, umebasic would be it
[04:00] <ian_brasil> lool: ok
[04:05] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Is the wifi on your Q1 working? I can't make it work with the latest daily.
[04:06] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: yeah, seems fine here.  At least it sees networks.
[04:06] <agoliveira> I can actually connect to my AP but can't initiate any trafic. Even pinging the AP itself does not work.
[04:22] <lool> Ah!  With start-hildon it looks nice
[04:23] <lool> But I can't close the browser hmmm
[06:10] <lool> Hmm image-creator writes project below /usr
[06:19] <agoliveira> lool: Are you sure? I just ran it this mornign and it's using ~ as usual
[06:20] <lool> agoliveira: I ran it as root, and it wrote to /usr/share/pdk/projects
[06:20] <lool> agoliveira: Perhaps it does differently whe run as end-user?
[06:20] <agoliveira> lool: Hmmm... in this case it's possible. I've never done this way.
[06:26] <agoliveira> lool: I aways run it using sudo
[06:26] <rustyl> morning
[06:29] <agoliveira> rustyl: 'morning Rusty.
[06:41] <lool> agoliveira: It's the default value of SDK.init(path); I don't see it being overriden for projects, but it might be for targets
[06:45] <agoliveira> lool: This looks like some reminscent from the beginning of the project. You should talk to HappyCamp or sodarock (same guy) :)
[09:22] <Inuka> amitk, the issue was the kernel I got through apt-get, something was wrong with it. I downloaded the kernel source and patch from ubuntu and your method is working fine... , thanks for all the help
[09:38] <lool> ian_brasil: In the Hildonizing section of UME guide, there's PKG_CHECK_MODULES([HILDON] ,...) followed by AC_SUBST(HILDON_CFLAGS) and _LIBS, but the AC_SUBSTs are superfluous as PKG_CHECK_MODULES does this already
[09:41] <ian_brasil> lool: thx, i will check that out
[09:41] <lool> ian_brasil: And thanks for the guide, it covers a lot of ground
[09:42] <Mithrandir> lool: hmm, sure?  my /usr/share/aclocal/pkg.m4 doesn't have AC_SUBST in it.
[09:42] <Mithrandir> (you could argue it should have, but it doesn't now)
[09:42] <lool> Mithrandir: I'm pretty sure it's the case, I've done such simplifications in some GNOME modules in the past
[09:45] <lool> I jsut checked e.g. gnome-system-tools for GST_DEPENDS_CFLAGS and _LIBS, and these aren't AC_SUBSTed manually but are substed by config.status
[09:45] <lool> (But then I read gdm and gnome-keyring's configures first and they did the AC_SUBSTs  :-P)
[09:46] <lool> Mithrandir: It's actually AC_ARG_VAR which implies AC_SUBST
[09:47] <Mithrandir> ah, of course.
[09:48] <lool> Mithrandir: May I ask how you test your local UME packages before uploading them?
[09:48] <lool> Mithrandir: Are you adding a private archive to the mic?
[09:48] <Mithrandir> lool: compile them on the q1 or crown beach
[09:49] <Mithrandir> it's ~1GHz cpu, with ccache it's not too bad.
[09:49] <lool> Ah didn't think it was that fast, cool
[09:49] <Mithrandir> or build the package in a chroot and scp over
[09:49] <Mithrandir> depends on the size.
[09:49] <lool> Ok; well I really need a device for tests then
[09:50] <Mithrandir> it's what I use, because well, nothing is a good substitute for the real device.
[09:51] <lool> Oh the fsets are still created with lpia
[09:51] <lool> err with i386 instead of lpia I meant
[09:51] <ian_brasil> lool: you are correct..it compiles fine without the CFLAGS and _LIBS
[09:53] <Mithrandir> lool: you can override it manually
[09:54] <lool> Haha, so I can tell you hildon-desktop is seriously broken
[09:54] <lool> In bzr
[09:54] <Mithrandir> good thing we didn't upload it, then?
[09:54] <lool> Yeah
[09:55] <Mithrandir> we're getting lpia PPAs sometime after release, once we have those, I can set up the daily builds to pull from that
[09:55] <lool> Great
[09:55] <lool> I suppose we will only list ubuntu-mobile's PPA
[09:55] <Mithrandir> that was the plan, yes.