[09:15] <asac> hi
[12:19] <Riddell> bluekuja: pong
[12:39] <Ubulette> tonyyarusso, sorry, I can't edit that page. gnomefreak should be able to do it.
[12:56] <asac> Riddell: anything i can help out?
[12:57] <Ubulette> I guess the ping was about exaile
[12:57] <asac> Ubulette: thanks ... none of my business i guess
[01:22] <Riddell> asac: no idea, he pinged me
[01:24] <asac_> Riddell: ok :)
[02:26] <asac> i hate creating diff.gz for non-embedded tarballs ... takes 10+ minutes
[02:27] <asac> Ubulette: maybe we should switch back to embedded layout for 1.9 as well :( ^^^
[02:28] <Ubulette> 10+ min ? really ? here, it takes just a couple of seconds
[02:28] <asac> well its not xulrunner, but firefox in feisty that takes so long
[02:28] <asac> no idea why ... i guess its related to the amount of files diffed
[02:28] <asac> as feisyt doesn't use a patchsystem
[02:43] <bluekuja> heya asac
[02:44] <bluekuja> Riddell: everything fine now, pinged you to check an important fix in the queue
[02:44] <bluekuja> but it seems an RM approved it already :)
[02:47] <bluekuja> asac: went home late yesterday?
[03:07] <bluekuja> asac: I have to leave now, have to study a lot of stuff for tomorrow, I hope you'll get to the advocation today if you arent too busy. cu later :)
[03:11] <asac> bluekuja: don't hope too much ... i am busted with release and security stuff ... like 135.78% load
[04:43] <Riddell> bluekuja: grovy
[04:43] <Riddell> hmm, wonder what one of those is :)
[04:55] <Ubulette> asac, 2.0.0.8 ?
[04:56] <asac> Ubulette: yes?
[04:57] <Ubulette> it's a question.
[04:57] <asac> yes its in preparation
[04:57] <asac> currently fighthing ppa and ~ in path issues for make-jars.pl
[04:58] <asac> i want to release beta builds ... and track QA through http://mozilla.qa.stgraber.org
[04:58] <asac> for for that I need tilde builds :(
[04:59] <asac>  .. and all this pain because we use flat-chrome in feisty+edgy
[04:59] <asac> dapper built without a path :(
[05:01] <Ubulette> i'm fighting with xul too. new nss has a new lib
[05:01] <Ubulette> split of nss3 into nss3 + nssutil3
[05:02] <asac> will you contribute your fix upstream?
[05:02] <asac> maybe its just a transitional state and they will fix nss?
[05:02] <asac> did HEAD already move?
[05:04] <Ubulette> well, there's a fix in xul already reported
[05:04] <Ubulette> problem is our nss mess
[05:05] <asac> you mean the soname?
[05:05] <Ubulette> we ship our own pkgconfig files
[05:05] <Ubulette> and we soname
[05:05] <asac> yeah
[05:05] <asac> does upstream ship .pc files at all?
[05:05] <Ubulette> no
[05:05] <asac> they ship nspr-config?
[05:05] <asac> et al?
[05:05] <asac> nss-config
[05:05] <asac> or just nothing ;)
[05:05] <asac> ?
[05:07] <asac> Ubulette: why can't we justa dd the new lib to the .pc file? does it break that way?
[05:08] <Ubulette> I did that but I always miss something
[05:09] <Ubulette> soname => *.pc => -config => symlinks for .so => ...
[05:10] <asac> yeah ... i saw a bunch of commits
[05:10] <asac> but now you have the symlinks ... so all fine?
[05:10] <Ubulette> 'im building
[05:11] <asac> good ;)
[05:11] <asac> should fail pretty fast i guess ... right?
[05:11] <asac> i mean nspr/nss is needed pretty early i guess (in necko)
[05:11] <Ubulette> strange that xul/ff is looking for nss-config but there's no such thing in nss
[05:11] <asac> hmm
[05:12] <asac> maybe there is a fallback to .pc?
[05:12] <Ubulette> not really, the missing .so symlink ftbfsed at the very end :(
[05:16] <asac> again?
[05:16] <asac> thought you created that link in nss now
[05:19] <bluekuja> back
[05:19] <bluekuja> Riddell: it was a security fix for nagios-plugins and an odd crash fix for exaile ;)
[05:20] <bluekuja> Riddell: it was sunday, so I tried to ping you directly
[05:20] <bluekuja> ^^
[05:21] <bluekuja> asac: everything fine yesterday?
[05:23] <asac> bluekuja: sure .. i had to rest to get power for this week :)
[05:23] <bluekuja> eheheh
[05:24] <bluekuja> asac: well, you have full work until final release
[05:24] <bluekuja> asac: then you can relax a little bit
[05:27] <asac> yeah :) ... but before i can do that i have to catchup on things i ignored for now
[05:28] <bluekuja> yeah, that's true :)
[05:28] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: tonyyarusso looking at it now
[05:29] <gnomefreak> did you want it on the LP home page or the mozilla LP page?
[05:35] <bluekuja> asac: which diff.gz are you talking about?
[05:35] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: tonyyarusso https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam  if that is not what you meant let me know
[05:36] <asac> bluekuja: firefox in feisty/edgy
[05:36] <bluekuja> asac: ah^^ are you working on a security fix?
[05:37] <asac> yes
[05:38] <bluekuja> asac: are you still developing that app with CORBA and J2EE?
[05:39] <asac> huh?
[05:39] <asac> which?
[05:40] <asac> contelligent?
[05:41] <bluekuja> asac: read an article about you and that app, started in 1999, I guess
[05:41] <asac> where?
[05:41] <bluekuja> on linuxtag
[05:41] <asac> ah ... yeah ... luckily i am out of it ... got boring doing this for ages ;)
[05:42] <bluekuja> oh, so you stopped its development?
[05:42] <bluekuja> did not like that language
[05:42] <bluekuja> ?
[05:42] <asac> no ... it wasn't my application it was a brokerage application ... later a content management system with CORBA/J2EE
[05:42] <asac> well it got too boring to do that all the time
[05:43] <asac> java is good for scalable server architectures
[05:43] <bluekuja> asac: and ....your blog? what happened there?
[05:44] <asac> hehe ... provider upgraded PHP ... now its incompatible ... have to upgrade my blog software to latest :)
[05:44] <asac> one of the many things i have to do once i get some time ;)
[05:44] <bluekuja> :)
[05:44] <asac> i am not a great blogger anyway :)
[05:45] <bluekuja> hehe
[05:45] <bluekuja> I love blogs
[05:45] <bluekuja> nice to share your opinions and so on
[05:45] <bluekuja> but maybe that's only on my side
[05:49] <gnomefreak> ok im working on reworking the team ownership and admin list who wants to be an admin for mozillateam?
[05:50] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: on the ML?
[05:50] <gnomefreak> no LP for now the i will bother mat east for ml when i get time
[05:50] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: I guess asac should be admin
[05:51] <gnomefreak> if he wants it
[05:51] <bluekuja> (if he's ok for that of course)
[05:51] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: or you
[05:51] <bluekuja> ;)
[05:51] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: i am
[05:51] <bluekuja> ah ok :)
[05:51] <gnomefreak> david pulled himself off everything
[05:52] <gnomefreak> so im trying to reorganize it
[05:52] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: yeah, well done
[05:52] <gnomefreak> :)
[05:52] <bluekuja> just wait for asac opinion
[05:52] <bluekuja> ;)
[05:53] <gnomefreak> i will thats why i asked
[05:54] <asac> gnomefreak: yes i think it might be benefitial if would be admin for ML and LP
[05:54] <gnomefreak> asac: ok ill work on it
[05:55] <gnomefreak> remember ML is high traffic :)
[05:55] <asac> thansk
[05:55] <asac> gnomefreak: you are already admin, right? please stay admin as a backup
[05:55] <gnomefreak> asac: i will
[05:55] <gnomefreak> always
[05:55] <asac> good
[05:55] <gnomefreak> but i am asking for another to help out :)
[05:56] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: another admin?
[05:56] <bluekuja> why?
[05:56] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: incase im not around (hospital or whatever)
[05:56] <gnomefreak> since the only other admin was david
[05:56] <asac> thully: open console and run 'top'
[05:56] <gnomefreak> and hes gone from everything
[05:56] <asac> scratch that
[05:57] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: you mean for accepting new members et all?
[05:57] <gnomefreak> yes
[05:57] <gnomefreak> and adding things to LP pages and such
[05:57] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: if you and asac are ok, I can help out on lp if needed
[05:57] <bluekuja> no problem on it, really
[05:58] <gnomefreak> thats what i thought. let me hijack the team first
[05:59] <bluekuja> oki
[05:59] <gnomefreak> only owner can set admins i have an LP contact that should beable to help with it.
[05:59] <bluekuja> great
[06:10] <gnomefreak> asac: you want admin for both mailing lists? and what email address would you like me to use?
[06:10] <gnomefreak> ill brb need a smoke
[06:11] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: two lists are -mozillateam and -mozillateam-bugs?
[06:11] <gnomefreak> yes
[06:17] <gnomefreak> ok ill be back later i need to get a few things done
[06:18] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: ok, I'll be available later as well
[06:18] <bluekuja> just ping me if needed
[06:18] <gnomefreak> k
[06:18] <bluekuja> take care
[06:18] <gnomefreak> you too
[06:18] <bluekuja> :)
[06:18] <asac> bluekuja: bye
[06:18] <bluekuja> asac: cya later, good work in the meantime
[06:23] <asac> thully: can we chat here in channel in future? its cumbersome for me to do PM :)
[06:23] <asac> thully: this channel doesn't (yet) have much noise ... so its a perfect place for debuggin
[06:23] <thully> One question for you, as you're a developer - who would I go to with gnome-power-manager regressions?  I had a patch which fixed some of the issues, but no one has looked into it...
[06:24] <asac> thully: which code that the patch affect?=
[06:24] <asac> thully: do you have a bug id?
[06:24] <thully> the issue is that brightness is increased to max on idle when running on AC with "idle dim" disabled
[06:25] <thully> 137598
[06:25] <asac> bug 137598
[06:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137598 in gnome-power-manager "Screen brightness resets to default (maximum) on idle with AC plugged in" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137598
[06:25] <asac> thully: there is no patch in that bug
[06:25] <asac> oh wait there is
[06:27] <asac> thully: ok i asked someone ... lets see ;)
[06:28] <thully> OK - I have to go in a few minutes
[06:28] <thully> n-m just crashed again
[06:28] <asac> log
[06:28] <asac> on suspend/resume?
[06:29] <thully> no
[06:29] <asac> thully: someone asks if you still see the power-manager bug with latest
[06:29] <asac> thully: pleaes post the syslog so i see if its the same
[06:30] <thully> http://paste.ubuntu.com/940/
[06:30] <asac> yeah ... the same ... thats ugly
[06:31] <asac> thully: will you come back later?
[06:31] <thully> yeah, in like an hour or 2
[06:31] <asac> ok
[06:33] <thully> g-p-m bug still occuring with latest version
[06:34] <asac> thully: someone mentioned that you didn't follow up on questions the TB sent you?
[06:34] <thully> What I do is 1) plug in 2) lower brightness to min 3) wait a minute or 2  then my brightness spontaneously changes to max
[06:34] <thully> asac: what questions?
[06:34] <thully> tb?
[06:34] <asac> technical-board
[06:35] <thully> I thought I answered all their questions...
[06:35] <thully> I thought they were under the impression this was MacBook specific...
[06:35] <thully> (which it isn't)
[06:37] <thully> who sent said message?  I could check if it somehow ended up in my spambox...
[06:38] <asac> ... i am just a proxy and have no details ... anyway, calling people to send complains to technical-board is unlikely to get you anywhere ... thats all i can say
[06:39] <thully> OK - but who should I contact?  I just looked through my contacts with the technical-board, and from what I see I answered all their questions
[06:40] <asac> well ... in general you cannot do more than opening a bug and providing feedback if asked to.
[06:40] <Ubulette> asac, xul builds successfully again
[06:40] <thully> well - I guess it was somewhat different as I had a patch which several people said resolved the problem...
[06:41] <asac> Ubulette: good
[06:42] <asac> thully: no idea ... you can ask on #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-desktop to get a review for a patch
[06:42] <thully> OK
[06:42] <thully> be back in an hour or so...
[06:42] <asac> thanks
[06:43] <Ubulette> oh, i have a new "Places" folder in my bookmarks bar
[06:43] <Ubulette> :)
[09:32] <gnomefreak> we dont package google toolbar and TBH i dont think we can/should since we cant/wont package any other google apps including google earth and iirc there is a reason for this. i would guess its something to do with license they use.
[09:32] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: no news yet
[09:33] <gnomefreak> i have a few more things to do before i can be here for a while but i will ping him when i get a chance.
[09:36] <gnomefreak> asac: btw found a big security hole in firefox for windows. some virus called downloader its high in all sections seems to attach itself to firefox profile, i know we dont deal with windows but if you get a chance or have heard about it please let me know of anything that i should know about it. there were 2 of them same name same profile same risk values.
[09:38] <gnomefreak> gone again
[10:08] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: ok, looks fine :)
[10:08] <gnomefreak> ;)
[10:08] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: they should give the possibility to change owners
[10:08] <bluekuja> when old one get de-activated
[10:08] <bluekuja> maybe a next feature
[10:08] <gnomefreak> i agree
[10:08] <bluekuja> would be nice to have
[10:08] <gnomefreak> but i will ping him today or tomorrow
[10:09] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: steve alexander?
[10:09] <gnomefreak> yeah
[10:09] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: but I guess any lp admin is ok for that
[10:09] <Ubulette> bluekuja, are the deluge guys part of your team ? or do they have a team of their own ?
[10:09] <bluekuja> I'll talk with mrevell about having that as a new feature
[10:09] <gnomefreak> any LP admin might help me that way
[10:09] <bluekuja> yep
[10:10] <bluekuja> Ubulette: mmm...currently I have a contact for deluge
[10:10] <bluekuja> Ubulette: he usually gets on on the irc channel, update me with news
[10:10] <bluekuja> and get into the dark again
[10:11] <bluekuja> Ubulette: we had a small problem with deluge
[10:11] <Ubulette> bluekuja, i see zachtib trying to set up his ppa
[10:11] <bluekuja> Ubulette: where?
[10:11] <bluekuja> which channel?
[10:11] <Ubulette> bluekuja, https://edge.launchpad.net/~zachtib/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[10:12] <bluekuja> Ubulette: mmmm...thanks for reporting this
[10:13] <bluekuja> Ubulette: I didnt talk with him yet
[10:13] <Ubulette> he's doing 0.5.5, I already have 0.5.5.95+svn20071015r2002 working
[10:13] <bluekuja> Ubulette: do you know him?
[10:13] <Ubulette> no
[10:13] <bluekuja> have a chance to get him inside the channel?
[10:13] <Ubulette> isn't he one of the upstream authors ?
[10:13] <bluekuja> yes
[10:14] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: seems that SteveA is inactive since 2 days
[10:14] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: SteveA: 2d 9h 27m 19s
[10:14] <gnomefreak> he was just in motu an hour or 3 ago or devel
[10:14] <gnomefreak> one of the 2
[10:14] <bluekuja> mmm...that's lp channel stats then
[10:16] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: salgado may help too
[10:16] <bluekuja> or Bjorn
[10:16] <gnomefreak> nvm scottk was in motu
[10:16] <bluekuja> ah^^
[10:16] <bluekuja> salgado: 0d 1h 4m 42s
[10:16] <bluekuja> maybe he's around
[10:16] <bluekuja> Ubulette: I was saying
[10:17] <bluekuja> Ubulette: deluge ships libtorrent too with the package itself
[10:17] <bluekuja> which is wrong, as I told you some time ahgo
[10:17] <bluekuja> talking about this
[10:21] <Ubulette> bluekuja, I know. but so far, there's still no package for that lib.
[10:21] <bluekuja> Ubulette: yeah, exactly
[10:21] <bluekuja> or at least there is one unofficial
[10:21] <bluekuja> on btg
[10:21] <Ubulette> i haven't had time to do that myself
[10:42] <bluekuja> going to bed
[10:42] <bluekuja> night everyone
[10:46] <mertiki> @++ bluekuja :)
[11:02] <cwong1> Does anyone know if acrobat reader suppose to work in firefox-gusty?
[11:03] <gnomefreak> cwong1: there are a few apps but the acoread one is gone
[11:04] <cwong1> gnomefreak: are you saying acrobat reader will not be supported in gusty?
[11:04] <gnomefreak> cwong1: the package acroread will not be in gutsy there are other apps that do the same thing
[11:04] <cwong1> gnomefreak: can you give me their names?
[11:05] <gnomefreak> acroread would help you opening pdf in ff. i thought 3.0 was changing that though
[11:05] <asac> cwong1: evince is what is installed by default
[11:05] <asac> cwong1: you can ask mithrandir ... i think he planned to put it into the commercial archive.
[11:05] <gnomefreak> cwong1: off hand no if you give me a few i can use search
[11:05] <asac> cwong1: but acrobat probably doesn't come with a ffox plugin. but i am not sure. Most apps you can plug-in to firefox using mozplugger.
[11:06] <gnomefreak> bug 153057
[11:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153057 in evince "Evince doesn't display PDF-documents done with InDesign" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/153057
[11:06] <asac> (most apps that don't have a native plugin)
[11:06] <gnomefreak> acroread was a great app/plugin
[11:07] <gnomefreak> it worked most of the time for me
[11:07] <cwong1> on gusty?
[11:07] <cwong1> it didn't work for me.
[11:07] <asac> cwong1: for acroread ask mithrandir (tollef)
[11:08] <cwong1> asac: will do.  tx
[11:08] <asac> otherwise see if you can live with evince ... which works great for most of the the documents out there
[11:59] <Ubulette> https://edge.launchpad.net/~evarlast/+archive/+build/410419
[11:59] <Ubulette> asac, bluekuja ?
[11:59] <Ubulette> ^^
[12:12] <asac> Ubulette: is that torrent rasterbar?
[12:15] <asac> Ubulette: https://mozilla.qa.stgraber.org
[12:21] <Ubulette> i dont know. I found that while watching ppa's build logs
[12:29] <Ubulette> asac, hmm, I can't connect to https://mozilla.qa.stgraber.org/ with ff3
[12:30] <Ubulette> Secure Connection Failed
[12:30] <Ubulette> 
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[12:30] <Ubulette> An error occurred during a connection to mozilla.qa.stgraber.org:443 because it uses an invalid security certificate.
[12:30] <Ubulette> The certificate is not trusted or its issuer certificate is invalid.
[12:30] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: are you getting the certs
[12:30] <Ubulette>  (sec_error_unknown_issuer)
[12:30] <Ubulette> (oops)
[12:30] <gnomefreak> and accepting them
[12:30] <Ubulette> no
[12:30] <gnomefreak> well just one
[12:30] <gnomefreak> than i would say ff 3.0 isnt giving them to you
[12:30] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:31] <Ubulette> well, ssl is okay for other sites
[12:31] <asac> Ubulette: thats probably due to a broken security store/nss
[12:31] <Ubulette> but some are not working
[12:31] <asac> the 3.0 in gutsy works .)
[12:32] <asac> maybe self-signs certs are broken for you?
[12:32] <asac> Ubulette: i think you need the root cert of http://www.cacert.org/ ... if you are not too paranoid about that :)
[12:33] <asac> http://www.cacert.org/certs/root.crt :)
[12:33] <Ubulette> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ssl.png
[12:34] <Ubulette> ff2 asks me to accept
[12:34] <Ubulette> is ff2 with system nss ?
[12:35] <Ubulette> yep, same nss, so it's ff3
[12:36] <gnomefreak> its not same nss is it?
[12:36] <Ubulette> lsof shows the same libs are loaded
[12:37] <gnomefreak> 3.11.5-3 this is same version as yours?
[12:37] <Ubulette> no, i'm using the cvs ones
[12:37] <asac> Ubulette: maybe its a missing link ?
[12:38] <asac> Ubulette: try with the nss from paa
[12:38] <asac> against latest firefox
[12:38] <asac> but i guess you already tested that
[12:38] <Ubulette> ff2 is loading /usr/lib/firefox/components/libpipnss.so
[12:39] <Ubulette> what's that ?
[12:39] <Ubulette> hm, no such thing in ff3/xul1.9
[12:39] <asac> hmm ... never new the difference ... but is public key infrastructre related i guess
[12:40] <asac> Ubulette: yes was probably merged into something
[12:40] <Ubulette> well, all the loaded nss libs are the same
[12:40] <asac> libpipboot.so  libpipnss.so   libpippki.so
[12:40] <asac> maybe those are now merged