[01:20] How do you know it gets stuck at 36%? [01:21] it tells me [01:22] i get to the loading screen adn the system locks up [01:22] can you ctrl-alt-F1 or is it a hard lock? [01:22] hard [01:22] system specs? [01:23] p4 1.6gh [01:23] 512 ram [01:23] and this happens every time? [01:23] yep [01:23] vid card? [01:23] nvidia mx 400 [01:24] prop driver installed? [01:24] installed legacy nvidia [01:24] geforce [01:24] not geforce 2 [01:24] has it ever started correctly? [01:25] nope [01:25] and this is a standard mythbuntu install? [01:25] yep [01:25] i installed but didnt use fiesty and it worked fine [01:25] hmm [01:25] ideas [01:26] huh? [01:26] i have about 20 hrs into this [01:26] what does this mean "i installed but didnt use fiesty and it worked fine" [01:27] i installed fiesty and it went it looked ok [01:27] but then i trashed it and installed myth [01:27] ok sec [01:27] k [01:28] very odd [01:29] did you md5sum the iso and verify the cd after burning? [01:29] yep [01:30] i think [01:33] what cd did you install with? [01:33] i downloaded the current iso [01:33] k [01:33] has he tried verifing the CD? [01:33] and now [01:33] also, what did you do to get it up to 36%? [01:34] it was loading themes i think [01:34] prescaling theme images [01:34] stopped at 36% [01:34] right, but what has changed so that it now loads up to 36% [01:35] nothing [01:35] that as far as i ever get [01:35] right, but before it was only loading to 16%, now it's up to 36%. [01:36] h [01:36] yah === Dawson64 [n=rbbdwsn@24-247-6-81.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:36] i changed the ram from 256 sorry i got alot going on here [01:36] $test [01:36] Although I didn't know, ubotu says: Failed. [01:36] $poke MitoTranin [01:36] /me stabs mitotranin violently with a rusty spoon [01:37] so how much do you have now [01:37] 512 === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-50-148.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:37] cd integrity is OK === Tari [n=Tari@mke-66-97-116-198.milwpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:38] and memtest checks out fine? [01:39] $42 [01:39] Sorry, I neither I or ubotu knew, but Wikipedia says: "Year 42 was a common year starting on Monday (link will display the full calendar) of the Julian calendar." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42 [01:39] i thought 42 was the answer [01:39] yes [01:39] what tuners? [01:40] none [01:40] only using for playback [01:40] playback of recording? is this a frontend only? [01:41] localgod11: if you haven't ever used this system yet, I would definitely reinstall now that you have upgraded the ram [01:41] no its a full install but i am only using for playback not a full dvr [01:41] when you do install, make sure to choose the restricted drivers for nvidia legacy [01:41] did you do any custom partitioning? [01:41] really why would a ram upgrade require a reinstall [01:42] localgod11: because 256 isn't enough to properly run the livecd [01:42] MitoTranin: i did than when i installed [01:42] but would a ram upgrade really require a reinstall? [01:43] localgod11: my point is that 256mb wasn't enough for your installation environment to function properly [01:43] something might have not happened properly during the installation, which could be a cause to this type of problem [01:43] I realize that reinstalling normally shouldn't be a first-step solution [01:43] BUT [01:43] I'm taking your word that you've already spent 20 hours working on this [01:44] that, coupled with the fact that it's only a frontend, and the fact that you've never used it, means that you will loose nothing during the process of reformatting it [01:45] So... just to start with a clean slate, and to make sure that everything is as we expect it (we have no idea what you did in that 20 hours, but we do know what to expect from a clean install) [01:45] we can help you a lot more when we know what state you are in... and right now, you have 20 hours of "messing with things" trying to get it to work, that we don't know about... [01:46] lol [01:46] 20 hours was spent installing 3 diff opertaing systems [01:46] i am indiscive [01:47] brb [01:53] localgod11: anyways, what I was going to suggest was this: reinstall clean, with installing the restricted drivers, even though you said you just did it... this time though with the bumped up ram [01:54] if that still has the same problem, then without even troubleshooting I would again reinstall, this time with the standard non-restricted drivers [02:03] === Mersault [n=Mersault@70.55.240.53] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:07] we are re-installing... [02:07] fug it [02:07] !!! === Mersault [n=michaelm@70.55.240.53] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === propagandhi [n=pclaven@CPE-124-184-151-155.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:12] does anybody know of a PCIe 1x tuner card that works? === gib [n=gib@c-24-118-4-13.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === MythbuntuGuest39 [n=Mythbunt@70.79.64.252] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:18] Hello? [02:18] $hello! [02:18] Sorry, I neither I or ubotu knew, but Wikipedia says: "Hello! is a weekly magazine specialising in celebrity news and gossip, published in Britain." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hello! [02:18] $hello [02:18] Welcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv. Please state your question or comment. [02:18] nice [02:18] I'm having a problem with the latest Mythbuntu not changing channels properly [02:19] I've done some testing and running ivtv-tune to change channels works fine [02:19] $slap tgm4883 [02:19] /me slaps tgm4883 [02:19] but Mythbuntu will only seem to change channels once [02:19] After I logged on my mybuntu main front/back end machine hooked to my tv from a remote front end client it changed my themes to the ones used on the remote front end, and also my "Play DVD" setting went away? Why did that happen, and what do I need to do to get the "Play DVD" option back on the "Optical Disk" menu? [02:21] I'd suggest reseting your theme on the box connected to your TV as a start. [02:21] Any idea why the theme on the remote machine would reset the one on the main box? [02:22] Do you have to use a different user name from each machine? [02:24] I'm not sure. I'd set the themes on both boxes to be the same as a workaround, though. [02:25] ok have reinstalled [02:25] now i have to setup the back end [02:26] Anyone else here having channel changing problems with a PVR-150? [02:26] no [02:26] is this a standard mythbuntu install? [02:27] What kind of problems are you having? I just ordered one of those because it seems to be the best supported, and can't get mpeg2 hardware encoding to work on the card I have. === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-54-37.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:34] Yes, standard install. [02:34] Well, there was a new RC released this weekend that I've upgraded to, but otherwise standard Mythbuntu [02:34] I like to do things the easy way! [02:35] Anyway, strangely if I exit the frontend and go to a command prompt, I can change channels with ivtv-tune [02:35] I've tested recording and everything works as expected. [02:36] Channels change back and forth properly. [02:36] Did you set your frequency table to the one used by your cable company, or just leave it on default? [02:36] As soone as I try to change a channel through the Myth frontend, I get one change then it won't change any more. [02:36] I set it to my cable company's [02:37] The ivtv module says I've got firmware version0x02050032 but recommends 0x02060039. Could this be a problem? [02:39] What about if you type in the channel # instead of doing +-? [02:39] Well, I'm not too concerned about LiveTV. The problem happens on scheduled recordings [02:40] The first program I schedule records the correct channel, after that, no channel changes. [02:40] So, I'm guessing the problem exists whether typing in the number directly or doing +- [02:41] ok so i reinstalled and thing look good but i have no pic on the tv [02:41] i can load the front and back end on the monitor but nothin on the tv [02:42] help [02:42] localgod11, how is the computer hooked up to the tv? [02:43] I have a similar problem with my card, but it has lots of problems and is not well supported. It changes channels like it is supposed on on Live TV, but never actually changes channels like it is supposed to for scheduled recordings. I just get garbage because it does tune. [02:43] It's pretty weird. I'm not sure what is different between tuning to record as you watch and scheduling a recording. [02:44] I hope I don't still have that problem after shelling out for the new card. That would really suck. [02:44] svid [02:44] MythbuntuGuest39, the cable is coming straight from the wall? Not though a cable box? [02:44] i installed the propritary nvid drivers [02:45] localgod11, did you setup the tv screen in Xorg Config? [02:45] i am about to [02:45] and ideas for the setup the tv is an old rear projection [02:46] localgod11, well the setup should be somewhat explanitory. What kind of idea are you looking for? [02:46] res and hrtz [02:46] Well, I figured out why my theme changes. It's gone, so it reverted to the default. I used to have about 7 themes to chose from, now I have only 3. [02:47] i should set it up like screen 2 right? [02:47] gib, is mythtv themes installed? [02:47] localgod11, i believe so [02:47] ok [02:47] gib, err mythtv-themes [02:47] Straight from the wall. [02:47] plug and play? [02:47] I think it was, but it it must have been auto uninstalled by some other package. Strange. [02:48] localgod11, is this a standalone machine or are you planning on using the desktop on it? [02:49] if i am using nvidia legacy drivers should the nvida config utility be an option [02:49] standalone === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-54-37.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:49] ok, then i think you need to set it as your primary screen, with 640x480 resolution [02:49] i can launch the restriced driver manager but not the nvidia config utiluty [02:50] so set screen 2 as primary? [02:50] what about the xorg config utility? [02:50] thats works [02:50] ok so setup the screen [02:50] ok [02:51] should i leave the model as unkown or change it to plug and play or something else [02:52] Hmm. I reinstalled the themes, and it came back to what it was without even choosing it. I just wasn't using it because it was looking for it, but it was gone. I wonder what uninstalled it? [02:52] not sure about that [02:53] gib, tough to tell [02:53] when i use "test" it resets the setting to what they were [02:53] I suppose there is an apt log or something somewhere where you can trace down what package triggered an unistall. [02:54] Maybe you need to have extra logging options turned on to track that kind of detail though. [02:55] Does anyone know if there is a simple file that MythTV uses as a channel change script by default? [02:55] Or does it do channel changes programatically in the code somewhere? [02:55] ok now it only displays the backround image [02:56] but i can ctrl-alt-f1 === Benny_132 [n=benmarti@144.131.132.107] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:56] localgod11, which background image? [02:56] If you've gotten that far localgod11, sounds like it's working. [02:56] the one from the front end [02:57] but its not on the tv yet only the monitor [02:57] Ah [02:57] ctrl-alt-bckspace? [02:57] that resets X [02:57] yah i know would that help here? [02:59] know i am gettung the low graphics mode warning [02:59] fug [03:00] Where do you tell mythtv that you have a DVD drive? It must thing I don't have one anymore because "play DVD" doesn't show up on the optical disk menu anymore. [03:01] gib, is mythdvd still installed? [03:02] Oh, I get that got unintalled too. I wonder what the hell happended. Thanks, that must be it. [03:05] Any thoughts on being able to intercept channel changes? [03:05] I'm thinking that since ivtv-tune works for me, if I write a channel change script [03:06] and I can get Mythbuntu to not attempt to change a channel itself, I may be good to go. [03:07] Anyone with any thoughts to share? === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-52-67.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:10] Does anyone else with the 150 have this same problem? I sure hope I don't have that problem with it when I get it. I read it was the best supported card. [03:11] I had a 350 for a while until the sound on it died, and never had any problems with it [03:11] (other than the sound dieing of course) [03:11] * note: the 350 and the 150 are the same, except the 350 also has an output [03:12] i have the 350, and its gread [03:12] also have a 500, but do'nt have it plugged in yet [03:12] I was running an earlier version of Knoppmyth with it no problem [03:13] * note for gib: the 500 is simply two 150's on the same card [03:13] I'm very limited in what I can use. I need a low profile hardware MPEG2 card. The only one's I've seen are the Hauppauge 150-lp, and the ADS pvt-350 that isn't working for me right now. [03:13] Up until Zap2It labs disappeared [03:13] yeah, thanks for pointing that out MitoTranin [03:13] i keeo setting the grahics card to nvida and the system keeps changing it to vesa [03:13] why? [03:14] A 500-lp or 350-lp would be cool, but I'm not holding my breath. [03:15] dunno localgod11... are you doing anything afterwards, like changing settings in the nvidia config? a lot of times changing the nvidia config will simply overwrite the xorg.conf file instead of editing it [03:15] sorry all, I really can't talk right now though... I am on a timeline right now and need to get things done [03:15] no i am not touching the nvidia config [03:15] gonna leave so I don't get tempted... [03:16] damn [03:16] i would try to help, but im jsuta user like you guys. can only help with problems ive come accross and fixed [03:16] tgm4883, tgm4883_laptop superm1 therethinker etc < ping - maybe they can help... [03:16] Daviey ^^^ maybe he can help too === MitoTranin [n=mito@24-177-155-206.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] [03:17] im gonna try to finish pluggin in my mythbox === Tari_ [n=Tari@CPE-72-133-204-1.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === tazgodx__ [n=tazgodx@adsl-71-147-58-125.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:35] Doesn't look like I'll find my answer here. Thanks all. [03:44] ferrari === localgod11 [n=localgod@adsl-074-186-153-059.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:47] anyone running an nvidia mx400 card? [03:47] or can you tell me how to enable the proprietary divers? [03:48] or both === MythbuntuGuest24 [n=Mythbunt@24-155-14-187.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:54] hello === MythbuntuGuest24 is now known as superNoob71 [03:54] hello [03:55] why did my monitor settings change when is set my graphics card drivers? [03:55] anyone here? [03:56] what means: requested entity already in use [03:57] hellO [03:57] $hello [04:17] anyone giving help today? [04:24] fug [04:25] i don't know much === propagandhi_ [n=pclaven@CPE-124-184-151-155.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === propagandhi [n=pclaven@CPE-124-184-151-155.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === propagandhi_ [n=pclaven@CPE-124-184-151-155.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Tari_ is now known as Tari|zzz [04:39] hmm, i bought a spliter/amplifier, and now my signal SUCKS! a normal splitter was WAY better [04:42] tazgodx, one of 2 things. either a crappy amplifier, or your signal is too strong [04:42] or your signal is too crappy [04:44] signal can be "too strong"? [04:44] yes [04:45] funny as it sounds, it can be too strong [04:45] hmm, maybe ill just but a normal 4-way splitter === propagandhi_ [n=pclaven@CPE-124-184-151-155.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === Benny_132 [n=benmarti@144.131.132.107] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] [05:09] i cant get picture on the tv i am using an Nvidia gefore mx400 === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-mythtv.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Topic for #ubuntu-mythtv: "Welcome to #ubuntu-mythtv :: Mythbuntu 7.10 Release Candidate Released :: See our website at http://www.mythbuntu.org :: Paste logs @ http://pastebin.ubuntu.com :: See our wiki for setting up and troubleshooting: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV " === Topic (#ubuntu-mythtv): set by superm1 at Fri Oct 12 23:13:00 2007 [07:50] (gib/#ubuntu-mythtv) I got down to just gnucsh with nothing depending on it and it still wouldn't let me nuke it--how stupid is that? [07:51] (gib/#ubuntu-mythtv) Good luck; It's a hard language. My brother speaks it 'cause his wife in from Toyko. My niece speaks both English and Japanese. [07:52] i have the rosetta stone software for japanese, supposed to be the best way to learn a new language. but i switched to linux shortly after getting it, and as far as i know, it doesn't work in linux :( [07:52] tazgodx, try wine, or cedega, or perhaps use windows in a virtual machine. [07:53] Maybe that's what happened, and I didn't notice it. A lot of my myth packages got mysteriously uninstalled. [07:53] Yeah, I heard that's good. Why not install virtualbox and run it that way? [07:54] The new VB 1.5 will even let you launch indivual win apps to the linux desktop with out making it be contained within the win desktop. [07:54] Pretty cool. [07:55] http://www.nomachine.com/ [07:56] oops [07:56] www.virtualbox.org [07:56] hmmmm I'm thinking of downgrading to feisty now [07:56] That last one was in my paste buffer :) [07:56] I wonder how bad of an idea that is [07:57] gutsy is working well for me. That dep issue was a function of the update process, not a flaw in gutsy. [07:57] well I have a problem with vnc too [07:58] and I don't have time to wait for the dependencies to get fixed [07:58] Have you ever tried nx? [07:58] either I have this new version configured wrong or its just buggy [07:58] nope [07:58] I can't seem to record anything with it [07:59] I'd rather just get vnc working again [07:59] You should give it a shot. It's an order of magnitude faster than anything else. [07:59] I got it to the point where I can login again, but I think its taking complete control over the system so that wont work when mythtv is running [07:59] It's hard to believe until you try it. [08:00] maybe the database is screwed up [08:01] Hmmm.. [08:01] with virtual box do i need a valid copy of windows to install? [08:02] I don't like the fact that nx needs to piggyback off of ssh [08:02] as I already use 22 to ssh into my router [08:02] Well, you need a copy of Windows. I'm not sure if it needs to be valid or not. I've only tried a valid copy. [08:02] why do you need windows? [08:03] for those crappy windows programs that only run on windows [08:03] You can use nx and shh at the same time. I do it all the time. [08:03] does the nx viewer only work in windows? [08:04] ya but in order for me to use 22 to my router, I would need to change the port ssh uses on my mythbox [08:04] how do you run the mc.sql script? [08:04] Im gunna destroy my database and see if starting from the begining resolves my recording problems [08:05] I've only used nx with linux. You can install the whole thing in like two minutes. Just click on client and let chose install with gdebi, than repeat with node, then server. [08:05] the deleting the mysql database instructions should be updated not only to notify you that you need to run the mc.sql script but also tell how how to run it [08:06] is it faster than vnc? [08:06] Hrm, any opinions on this? [08:06] Yes, it's ungodly fast. It's like black magic. :) [08:06] forget it I think i figured it out [08:07] hmmmm [08:07] playback of video occasionally goes all green-staticy, as if mplayer took a crap or something [08:07] Like I said you won't believe it 'til you try. I didn't think that would be possible. [08:07] and the only way to fix it is to reboot the xserver (ctrl-alt-backspace) after which everything works again [08:08] hardware, crappy nvidia dirvers, or crappy mplayer? [08:08] I'll give it a try I guess [08:08] anyone have any idea when gutsy repos will be fixed? [08:08] I have a bunch of non-tech relatives on Kubuntu, and I maintain their machines for them over nx and it's just like I'm sitting at their machines. [08:09] Well, it'd better be soon 'cause release day is Thurs. === rhpot1991 [i=rhpot199@204.8.45.14] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Dr_willis [n=willis@74-140-6-108.dhcp.insightbb.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv ["Leaving"] [08:12] gib: do you have gutsy sources for nx? [08:12] I only see fiesty ones [08:13] Just click and install directly from Nomachine. Their deb versions work fine on all Debian-based distros. [08:13] Including gutsy [08:14] Even though it's not listed. [08:14] It's pretty much self contained so it doesn't matter much what you have installed. [08:15] It doesn't break because of deps and versioning because it keep it's own version of the things it needs in it's own directories. [08:16] Don't confuse it with freenx which is VERY version dep, and breaks easily. [08:18] It's confusing because the "free version of MX" and freeNX are not the same. [08:18] NX [08:20] The Free version of NX works much better than freeNX. The only advantage of freeNX is that that it is open sourced. They are both free as in no cost. [08:20] I really want to Love MythTV but right now I just dont know [08:21] it seems a little buggy [08:21] You'll love it when you get it all tweaked out just right, but by then you'll be too tired to use it ;) [08:22] I hear ya Mate! [08:22] Im already tired.. and its giving me issues [08:22] it doesn't like to actually record anything, but TV watching is fine [08:22] I think I'll worry about all this tomorrow [08:22] might work from home so I can try and get it back up and running [08:22] it sez its going to record, then it doesn't.. then it tells me it has conflicts and with stuff that it also isn't recording hehe [08:23] sounds like a db problem [08:23] si I just deleted the database, hopefully that'll help [08:23] What card do you have? I have a similar issue, but my card is poorly supported because it is relatively rare. I broke down and ordered a different one. [08:23] Hauppauge 350 [08:23] They seem to support my card rather well [08:23] 350 is a good card, I have one [08:24] works perfectly fine [08:24] thats great, I look forward to getting Myth working the way it was intended.. so far it's just really been a rough time [08:24] so far I've spent a week on it [08:24] sigh [08:24] it takes a lot of messing with [08:24] Mine records live and also records scheduled, but doesn't seen to tune the channel before starting scheduled recordings. [08:24] in general [08:25] now that im running the most current version the install was real nice [08:25] ive been messing with it for like 4 months, and still tweaking it here and there [08:25] doesn't tune the channels? do you have a IR device that turns your channels? [08:26] the whole reason I installed Myth.. was because theres a python script for xbox that allows me to access Mythbackend [08:26] hehe [08:27] It tunes when I choose watch TV and type in a channel, but it just seems to record without setting the channel for scheduled recordings. [08:27] Im coming from the GBPVR family.. finally decided to give them up for something better.. and I was surprised that Myth isn't really much further along then GBPVR [08:27] gib:thats really not good [08:28] Well, like I said, the card is not well supported. [08:28] I've yet to talk to anyone who has one. [08:28] gib: does the card suck? [08:28] ADS PTV-305. [08:29] I think it would be ok if the firmware was 100% right for it. [08:29] gib: nod [08:30] I got it because the MythTV wiki said someone somewhere got it to work at one point in time :)) [08:30] gib: that makes me laugh [08:30] Not sure who this person was though, and with what kernel [08:30] :) [08:30] gib: I bought my Hauppage 350 because SageTV recommended it [08:30] gib: I was very lucky that other platforms also supported this card [08:31] gib: I didn't wanna stick with SageTV after my version expired [08:31] gib: they are expensive and they are not the best [08:31] I guess the lesson is, don't buy something that isn't owned by many other users 'cause it won't get much attention and when bugs get injected in new kernels and such nobody will notice or care. [08:32] gib: there you go.. thats perfect logic [08:33] So I ordered a 150-lp. The only other hardware MPEG2 card that will fit in a slimline case. [08:34] I run a Small Form Factor box myself [08:34] most cards fit thankfully [08:34] It doesn't have a remote, but I got the remote part of the ADS-305 to work so I got something out of it anyway. [08:35] Mine is not just small form factor, but low, as in needing low profile cards. [08:35] Which really limits your options severely. [08:36] yeah it does [08:37] the remote control that comes with the 350 works really nicely with Myth [08:37] http://www.ambientweather.com/ptjasav23290.html [08:37] As far as I know, I'll own ALL of the low profile MPEG2 cards :)) [08:37] now if I could only get my USBUIRT to broadcast channel changes to my Satalite Box I'd be in good shape [08:37] all two of them [08:37] hahah [08:37] is that a good 4-way splitter/amplifier? [08:38] shrug [08:39] I have a 4-way amp I put in like 7 years ago. It cost like $150 though. That seems really cheap. [08:41] $150?!?1 [08:41] i don't have that kind of money [08:41] $15 i do have tho [08:43] Maybe the costs have come way down since then, I don't know, or many they just don't do anything to control noise. [08:43] maybe [08:44] thats actually the one i have, and if its actually working, it SUX [08:46] I think mine is a channelmaster, and I'm searching for some and seeing $40 for 4-way, so maybe the prices have some way down. [08:47] oh, wait [08:47] mine is a ChannelVision [08:50] http://www.altex.com/product_info.php?products_id=5057 [08:50] ? [08:50] Here is one on amazon with a couple of five star reviews. [08:50] http://www.amazon.com/Channel-Vision-CVT-2-4PIA-Amplified/dp/B000KPS3GS [08:50] Price seems good. [08:52] have to buy from other customers tho, amazon doesn't have any [08:54] Not just another user. It's an associated seller you can purchase from through the regular Amazon shopping cart. [08:54] It just isn't shipped from them and you won't get their free shipping. [08:55] don't amplifiers need a power cord? [08:56] Yes [08:58] The power adapter has a regular coax cable with coupler on the end that screws into the power in terminal just like any other cable device [08:58] this one i have is retarded, i unplug it, and it gives me the same crappy video quality, i plug it in, no change. what the hell [08:59] It's either broken, or it signal strength is offset by the noise it introduces. [09:00] crappy frys equiptment [09:00] You could also try calling your cable company and compaining that you don't have a powerful enough signal coming in and tell them to up the power from the street. [09:01] Then you could get buy with a normal splitter. [09:01] i actually probably could get away with a normal splitter [09:02] it was perfect with just a 2-way splitter [09:02] If you have a cable modem you should be able to tell how strong of a signal you are receiving by checking the modems status page. [09:03] i have a cable modem, but im on DSL now. [09:03] Did you ever check the signal strength [09:03] ? [09:03] but i know my dad had to increase the signal when he had the extension put in [09:04] You can get a status page from most modems by typing in 192.168.100.1 on most cable modems. [09:05] My Dad is right next to the cable box (It's in his yard), and I had to have him put a splitter on just too loose signal strength on purpose for his modem to work because his level was so high. [09:05] That's rare though. [09:06] The opposite problem is much more common. [09:07] im thinking taht a amplifier isn't needed in my room, i think they were just here and installed a smplifier just outside my room to the cable running just to my room [09:07] maybe ill just try a normal splitter [09:08] Well, if you get a strong picture without one, there is no reason to use one. [09:08]