[01:16] #ubuntuforums done. [01:23] Pricey: I see an avatar in my head.... some sort of anime thing... man that's from like 2 years ago [01:40] *head desks* at the new "4 more days" thread on the devel-discuss ML === Snuxoll [n=stefan@63-227-103-121.spkn.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [01:50] Hello Snuxoll? [01:50] Hi Pricey [01:50] How can I help? [01:50] not really === Snuxoll [n=stefan@63-227-103-121.spkn.qwest.net] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Ex-Chat"] [01:55] Hes just mad because I banned him because he suggested that sysrq-b was an easter egg. [01:56] yeah he mentioned you'd banned him [01:56] Oh. He pm'ed you? [01:56] and a nice easter egg at that [01:56] Two people did it. [01:56] Pici: only because only two people could find the SysRq key [01:56] He did indeedy. [01:57] LjL: he said alt-printscreen-b to be exact ;) [01:57] uhm well, that explains why someone did it at all [01:57] with the compiz craze, some people now know where printscreen is ;) [02:01] LjL, I'm watching and poised. === nalioth unties PriceChilds shoelaces [02:03] PriceChild: poised? [02:05] inviting holycow here. [02:05] check bantracker. === holycow [n=start@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [02:08] alright [02:08] someone unban me please for #kubuntu [02:08] i was banned without just cause i believe [02:08] holycow, perhaps the folks here would like to see our private query to follow the events better, mind if i post it? === Pici [n=Pici@unaffiliated/pici] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Pici] by ChanServ [02:08] sure i don't mind at all [02:09] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40665/ [02:09] i really wouldn't mind if you banned me for the bad word that fine [02:10] it would still be unjust as others don't get banned for a slipup here or there [02:10] holycow: i really did. but, instead, i decided to just kick you and give you a chance to show you understood why you were so much wrong [02:10] but you banned me because i refuse to cow tow [02:10] so basically, if i had banned you right away, you'd be ok with that... but instead i gave you a chance, you dissed it, and *that* is not ok. [02:10] i accepted the kick, i didn't say a word [02:10] that's the clue of what you're saying [02:10] no [02:10] yeah but being kicked doesn't mean it's up [02:11] its a clue that you guys just use the channels for personal gratification ...not all but its common [02:11] it can mean i want to discuss the behavior and make sure you understand you were wrong [02:11] you clearly didn't, so there's the ban [02:11] no, i refused to let yo ulecture me on my typing skills === LjL makes a mental note: next time, ban people right away without even bothering to try a warning kick [02:11] this isn't kindergaden, and the channels aren't you rpersonal playground [02:12] you don't get the opportunity to twist every conversation where one must show respect to you as an op [02:12] its immoral [02:12] holycow: the !enter factoid is there in the bot, and part of our common policies. see !etiquette. if you don't like it because you feel it's "kindergarten", that's fine [02:12] go somewhere else [02:12] !etiquette [02:12] Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-) [02:12] no why? just kick them like you normally do. when they come back if they misbehave then ban them [02:12] it's always been that way [02:12] your just picking on someone that doesn't play your game [02:12] holycow: or perhaps it's you who expect to be able to behave any way you want and then to just get away with a kick that doesn't really mean anything [02:12] perhaps it's *your* reality that's skewed. [02:13] hardly [02:13] i swore accidentally i got kicked like everyone [02:13] fair enough [02:13] accidentally? wow. [02:13] someone gave you a useful factoid, and you insulted. [02:13] accidentally? wow. [02:13] it wasn't usefull [02:13] it was arrogant [02:13] no - you were. [02:13] very. [02:13] he saw the first part of my post and assumed i was a noob [02:13] no its not usefull [02:13] its arrogant [02:13] he didn't let me finish my question [02:14] using the bot (on people who pose simple questions like yours) isn't being arrogant. === kerry [n=kerry@AMarigot-102-1-10-37.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-ops [02:14] i do the same thing my self on occasion as well, just like he did [02:14] it is being arrogant [02:14] if it is in your eyes, then find a channel where people don't find it such. [02:14] hello kerry [02:14] wat the heck [02:14] holycow: and you expect people to start cursing when you do? i hope not. [02:14] naw, it was accidental [02:14] kerry: anything we may do to you? [02:14] i've tried to curb it [02:14] how i get here [02:14] kerry: i think you are here [02:15] anyway, unban me, if you check your logs, you know i haven't really particapated at all except asked a question or two and answered a few over the last few month [02:15] how i get here i jus restart my pc n conect to konversation i see it went hee [02:15] anyway holycow, i stand on my position. i think we should just let the other folks here give their opinion if they have one and they're awake. [02:15] i'm not really particapating in ubuntu help any more [02:16] kerry, "how do i get here" is not a reasonable question, because, quite obviously, you *are* here [02:16] however you cannot really expect me to like arrogance, or to play puppy dog to ops. i'm honest and straight forward and fair [02:16] and you know it [02:16] holycow: and *you* cannot expect me to accept arrogance. [02:16] well if there's no reson im leaving [02:16] clearly, OTHERS arrogance is okay [02:16] @btlogin [02:16] kerry: one sec [02:16] what you really object to is me not playing puppy dog to you - thus you add it to your list [02:17] why? [02:17] kerry: so we can find out why you were forwarded here [02:17] q_p [02:18] holycow: look, i don't think i was arrogant, though i think you were. so we're running in circles here now, let's see what others have to say. === tsukasa [n=tsukasa@75.111.131.238] has joined #ubuntu-ops [02:18] can i get tested [02:18] tsukasa: sure [02:18] _ [02:19] .... [02:19] tsukasa: you seem ok, remember to always connect to port 8001 unless you can fix your firmware. one second and i'll let you join [02:19] i got other things to do === kerry [n=kerry@AMarigot-102-1-10-37.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Konversation] === kerry [n=kerry@AMarigot-102-1-10-37.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-ops [02:19] gnomefreak, ping [02:19] tyt === tsukasa [n=tsukasa@75.111.131.238] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Leaving"] [02:19] wat the [02:20] kerry: check the channels under file/serverlist [02:20] kerry, it's simple, you're banned. [02:20] now go away. [02:20] holycow: where do i go to check that? [02:21] ... under file/serverlist, he just said [02:21] file / server list [02:21] LjL: and im not banned i didnt do nothing [02:21] kerry: and i'm the king of madagascar [02:21] file/serverlist [02:22] LjL: Malagasy Republic. [02:22] jdong: i'm the king in exile. [02:22] LjL: ah, then we've spoken via e-mail last week. Anyway, hope my social security number and credit card information arrived safelty [02:22] i dont understand [02:23] kerry: I think you do understand. [02:23] jdong: you'll get that villa in no time [02:23] kerry: yet you understand how to change idents very well. [02:23] seriously, go away [02:23] you aren't fooling anybody === jdong recalls some "a wolf in sheep's clothing" expression... [02:24] jdong: wolves have better grammar though i'm sure. sheep too [02:24] ok, cheap shot [02:24] LjL: if your talking about adenicio his not there i'm kerry he just install linux on my pc and im looking how to install drivers for my ati card [02:24] y.....es. [02:24] look, i can tell IP addresses and idents. === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o LjL] by ChanServ === kerry [n=kerry@AMarigot-102-1-10-37.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-ops [requested] === mode/#ubuntu-ops [-o LjL] by LjL [02:25] aww I wanted to hear his complete evil-twin excuse! [02:25] how do we know it is him? [02:25] jrib: IP and behavior [02:25] jrib: perhaps based on the fact that it's the same IP (not hostmask, *exact* IP) he had one minute ago [02:25] jrib: his mannerisms appear IDENTICAL to wii [02:25] randomly flooding with weird emoticons, etc [02:25] and yeah, his mixture of bad french with bad english also gives it away [02:26] claiming he has some sort of question when he seeks to be unbanned [02:26] ah I see the earlier join now [02:26] if he wants to take on a new identity that's not a troll, I honestly don't care.... but he's a pretty bad actor this time around [02:28] " if your talking about adenicio..." [02:28] interesting, now we have a name? [02:28] *shrug* [02:28] so any comments on my request for an unban? [02:31] honestly i'm not sure any op who was in #kubuntu is awake, but if anyone else wants to check the logs... [02:32] I'm not a #kubuntu op, but I feel that the kick was justified, and everything after that was just arguing [02:32] LjL: you were there, right? I just looked over that interchange with you and found the attitude displayed by holycow to be incompliant with our guidelines [02:32] lol [02:32] attitude? [02:33] you guys aren't there to police attitude [02:33] you guys are there to police language [02:33] you cannot seriously insist that you have the RIGHT to police what is in anyones head? [02:33] ok, then your language use was appalling [02:33] one word was appaling [02:33] i got kicked [02:33] i realized my mistake and didn't make a fus [02:33] fuss even [02:33] holycow: we insist that we have the RIGHT to police the attitude you display in an official channel [02:34] c'mon, look at the end of the day its irc and it doesn't matter but it matters to me on this level [02:34] you guys cannot possibly insist that you have the moral righ to police attitude? [02:34] you guys aren't there to police attitude - Yes we are. [02:34] holycow: attitude isn't "what is going on in your head", it is how you act in the channel [02:34] that is so contrary to to freedom that i ... well i have levels of feeling on this [02:34] you cannot seriously insist that you have the RIGHT to police what is in anyones head? - No. But We have the right to police what you convey in our channels. [02:34] what? [02:35] what insane thinking is this? [02:35] holycow: you do not have absolute freedom to do whatever you want in an official Ubuntu channel... that is true. [02:35] holycow, You are free to do whatever you want as long as it abides by the guidelines. [02:35] how does this forward freedom? [02:35] it abides by the rules [02:35] i swore one word [02:35] thats it [02:35] holycow, Should I be free to ban anyone? [02:35] i refused to however play puppy to ljl [02:35] holycow, no... and we have guidelines for operators which they must abide by also. [02:35] holycow: we are *definitely* here to check your attitude [02:35] !attitude [02:35] The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [02:35] absolutely but not because you hate the person [02:35] wow [02:35] this is seriously not good guys [02:36] i would honestly, and you know me well enough to know why i'm saying this, modify that approach [02:36] holycow, have you read the link that ubotu just gave you? [02:36] this isn't 1942 nazi germany [02:36] holycow: refusing to comply with channel operators is not helping your cause [02:36] *head desks* [02:36] PriceChild: only for like the 40 times you guys post stuff like that at me [02:36] PriceChild: i think he has something against bots [02:36] jdong: noooo, there is a slight difference here [02:36] i swore [02:36] i got kicked [02:36] holycow: and I don't see what enforcing a basic level of respect in a channel can be compared to Nazi germany. [02:36] thats fair [02:36] i stopped [02:36] thats fair [02:36] holycow: it is not because you swore [02:36] RIGHT! [02:37] jdong: exactly [02:37] holycow: it is because of the way you responded to LjL's warning [02:37] *invokes godwin's law* [02:37] ljl insisted on talking to me about some nonsense [02:37] it's because you did not understand that the whole attitude was way off. [02:37] some nonsense - exactly [02:37] holycow, read the link ubotu gave you. Discussing it further at this time will not help you. [02:37] holycow: had you said "I'm sorry, it was inappropriate, I won't do it again", we wouldn't be here [02:37] i have no responsibility to acknowledge or like what he says just because he is an op [02:37] holycow, come back to me when you've read it. [02:37] i insisted on trying to make you understand why you were kicked (and going to be banned) in the first place [02:37] and i have a right to ask for him to stop [02:37] i said stop right now [02:37] you finding that "nonsense" *is* the problem [02:37] then i said you have no right to lecture me on my typing skills [02:37] no holycow you don't have a right to stop me from saying things [02:38] within STRICT rules that passes, but i simply showed the lack of willingness to roll over and play dead [02:38] no not at all [02:38] i have the right to ask [02:38] holycow: if you don't like the styles of Ubuntu's IRC channels, nothing dictates you must continue to come here. [02:38] you have the right to speak to me absolutely [02:38] holycow, read the link ubotu gave you. Discussing it further at this time will not help you. [02:38] holycow, come back to me when you've read it. [02:38] jdong: well freedom dictates that i should have a chance to try [02:38] and freedom is really what this is all about === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o PriceChild] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+b %*!*@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] by PriceChild [02:38] see above [02:39] I will be happy to remove the mute as soon as you have read the guidelines we ask all users to abide by. === holycow [n=start@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu-ops [] [02:39] [02:39:16] lol [02:39] [02:39:22] you guys trully are idiots [02:39] [02:39:27] serve the permaban morons === mode/#ubuntu-ops [-b %*!*@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] by PriceChild === mode/#ubuntu-ops [-o PriceChild] by ChanServ [02:39] i think we should abide [02:40] note that he joined #ubuntu as soon as i kicked him from #kubuntu :) [02:46] I think that . was a test to see if he could talk. [02:47] which he can, it's just that what he says is marked with a violet highlight :) [02:47] ehm, how come https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades has instructions in *chinese*? [02:47] LjL: what client do you use? [02:48] Seeker`: konversation [02:50] LjL: odd [02:53] #ubuntu-fr: [02:53] [02:51:42] LjL: u block the other pc from going on the ch.i only install linux for him to lurn how to use it ect he's using my conection.i told him to ask the ch how to install the drivers for his ati becaus i dont know how [02:53] [02:51:56] LjL: but i guess u dont care [02:53] [02:52:05] ?! [02:53] [02:52:25] --> ptitgui has joined this channel (n=ptitgui@bro29-2-88-164-249-78.fbx.proxad.net). [02:53] [02:52:53] mii: crois tu que ce canal a quelque chose a voir avec ce que passe en #ubuntu? [02:53] [02:52:55] LjL: u block mii so i take his name i'm wii [02:53] [02:52:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o McPeter [02:53] [02:53:00] *** McPeter sets mode: +b %Mii!*@* === Mii [n=wii@AMarigot-102-1-10-37.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-ops [02:57] u block the other pc from going on the ch.i only install linux for him to lurn how to use it ect he's using my conection.i told him to ask the ch how to install the drivers for his ati becaus i dont know how [02:57] LjL: [02:57] i'm wii u block kerry [02:58] Mii: tell kerry to blame you, then. [02:58] you should think before behaving in a way that makes other people on the same connection as you end up banned. [02:59] I was thinking the same thing nalioth [02:59] heh [03:00] enough is enough [03:00] I noticed he was ban-forwarded here though, so was waiting to see how it panned out [03:00] ah, and now more fun in #freenode [03:00] rob: he was forwarded because we've put a blanket ban on half of his ISP ;) [03:00] didn't feel like making that a *ban* [03:00] yeah, that's what I noticed :) [03:12] wow, I step away for like an hour and miss world war 3! :p [03:16] stdin: nah, just much ado for nothing. [03:18] I do so love it when they complain that we only ban them for personal gratification, if that was the case I'd have banned holycow ages ago [03:18] i think that by that point, they are just trying to have fun by winding people up [03:18] heh indeed, irritating guy since the very first time i saw him [03:20] I've had to /ignore him in #kde a few times, just because of the seer number/frequency of the bad language highlights [03:20] my computer was beeping so much it sounded like a bomb waiting to go *BOOM*!! === jdong looks into #kubuntu and wonders if Minataku is a troll... [03:25] nothing too suspicious so far, other than going on a random rant about PC's being crap [03:26] jdong: he's someone i don't like, and i think he's trolled in the past [03:26] hmm [03:26] arg. I need to fix this. 'suspicious' keeps highlighting me. [03:26] Pici: terrible client :) [03:26] goatse mono novell pigsex wii mii kerry [03:26] any of those work? [03:27] LjL: nah, its a hilight I set myself. [03:27] Pici: you set "suspicious" as a highlight? i mean, really? i thought i was among the guys with the most gratuitous highlights, but you beat me by a distance [03:27] jdong: wha? [03:28] are those all aliases of wii? [03:28] LjL: no. I set pici as a a hilight. I just didnt use the right syntax and it keeps hilighting when its in the middle of a word. [03:28] Novell is online, but [03:28] LjL: lol no, I suspect they may be magic highlight-words of the ops :) === jdong braces for barrage of angry pinged staff [03:28] Pici: ah, uh, but clients usually have one's own nickname highlighted by default...? [03:29] jdong: uhm i have none of those to be honest :P [03:29] although, i don't even *really* know what i have on highlight [03:29] Pici: what client? [03:29] LjL: then I'm a bad guess :) [03:29] LjL: I've found its only for when the message is directed towards me, I like to know if someone is talking about me. [03:29] there should be a searchbox for highlights [03:29] Seeker`: irssi [03:29] Pici: weird, konversation just highlights me regardless of where "ljl" is said, as long as it's a single word [03:30] Pici: what is the hilight set as? [03:30] Seeker`: Pici [03:32] Pici: i don't know about irssi, but if you can use regular expressions, just make it [^[:alnum:] ] Pici[^[:alnum:] ] [03:32] Pici: Did you use any of the mask/regex/full options? [03:32] Seeker`: none [03:32] Pici: should be /hilight -regexp [03:32] wrt. Ljl's expresion [03:33] Thanks everyone [03:33] auspiciously suspicious. [03:33] ha. [03:34] [jdong@blackbook:~] $ grep pici /usr/share/dict/words | wc -l (10-14 21:34) [03:34] 16 [03:34] :) [03:34] jdong: thanks for the tests, seems to have worked [03:34] my three letters nicknames is a full zero :P === Seeker` has 3 [03:35] wake me up when jdong is a word. [03:35] seeker, seeker's and seekers [03:35] well except when hobbsee randomly unleashes her factoids on me :D [03:35] gah, where did the evening go - I have to get up for lectures tomorrow :( [03:36] I have work tomorrow === Seeker` will be woken up in 5.5 hours [03:47] was holycow only banned in #kubuntu? [03:47] jdong: yes [03:47] ok [03:47] i have him on highlight though, if he says something bad in #ubuntu, he's gone at once [03:48] not kicking and nice words this time for sure [03:48] good night now [03:49] night [03:49] night === mrguser [n=mirggi@81-208-36-87.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-ops [04:03] i've talked a little with the -fr ops anyway [04:04] they've known wii for some time too [04:05] and now i understand why he claims that english is his language [04:06] Margot is some island where they speak english [04:06] at least if i've understood the french guys right [04:07] though they confirm that is french is as horrible as s english [04:09] Err, "his" and "his" [04:24] Sigh... Two more meters bluetooth range, just two! [04:32] haha [04:44] how the hell, I just spent 2hrs+ randomyl answering questions in #*buntu [04:46] easy done, time flies when you are having, umm, fun :) [04:48] ha. :) [04:51] wow, my roommate just had MS Office 2k3 deactivate itself on him when trying to print an 11-page paper due tomorrow [04:51] took me about 2 seconds to finally sell him on OpenOffice [04:51] next, I'll have to burst his bubble and tell him Vista has identical timebombs built in :) === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-ops.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Topic for #ubuntu-ops: Welcome to the home of the operators of all Ubuntu (and derivatives) channels | This channel is for operator/abuse questions only | Support in #ubuntu, #kubuntu etc... | IRC team info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam | The IRC council reserves the right to remove idlers from the channel === Topic (#ubuntu-ops): set by Mez at Sun Sep 30 18:13:35 2007 [07:53] rob: Thank you for the clarification. [07:53] draik, np [07:53] I will complete the "manual" and get back to you about it. [07:54] dam [07:54] I was just about to reply.. [07:54] oh well [08:18] moin [08:22] wow === jussi01 [n=jussi@oul088-gw3.netplaza.fi] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v jussi01] by ChanServ === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v elkbuntu] by ChanServ [09:07] nickrud called the ops in #ubuntu [09:08] got it === GazzaK [n=Dogbert@87.127.173.178] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v GazzaK] by ChanServ === GazzaK is now known as Gary === dgjones [n=Cheshire@unaffiliated/dgjones] has joined #ubuntu-ops === dgjones [n=Cheshire@unaffiliated/dgjones] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Bye"] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee] by ChanServ === Gary pokes someone to approve his status on the https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc page :p [09:56] hmmmh [10:30] In #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !seamless is Seamless virtualiasation is a method to bring applications for Windows directly to your Ubuntu box! See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SeamlessVirtualization for more information. === GazzaK [n=Gary@colchester-lug/pdpc.supporter.active.Gary] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v GazzaK] by ChanServ === GazzaK is now known as Gary [10:47] soundray called the ops in #ubuntu [10:50] looks like a troll [10:55] oh looky, ban avoidance [10:56] I'm not! [10:56] rob: He wasn't banned [10:57] he wasn't? oops, oh well ;) [10:57] serves him right for trolling! [10:57] :p [11:01] I just removed him, seemed to keep him quiet [11:01] who where? [11:01] martin_ in #ubuntu [11:01] I see [11:02] I noticed he was bit ass [11:03] In ubotu, arcticblue said: That is true, but is it not a release candidate? [11:03] =) === Seeker` [n=cjo20@unaffiliated/seeker/x-838755] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Seeker`] by ChanServ === MenZa [n=you@last.fm/subscriber/pdpc.student.MenZa] has joined #ubuntu-ops [11:08] Apparent troll in #ubuntu-offtopic; just a head-sup [11:09] im investing in vista [11:09] that one? [11:10] Him and pommer seem...off === GazzaK [n=Gary@colchester-lug/pdpc.supporter.active.Gary] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v GazzaK] by ChanServ [11:13] Troll city === rob blasts one of the trolls with his superior logic in pm [11:15] but yes, there are several trolls, he (winchesterPAT) is trying to troll me in pm and failing [11:16] he is now hitting ##windows too btw, so I can confirm at least one is a troll [11:17] or, maybe he is just young/naive, I dunno [11:18] hopefully school starts in whatever country just work up soon [11:18] err woke === martin_ [n=martin@80-235-47-4-dsl.mus.estpak.ee] has joined #ubuntu-ops [11:18] rob: mind to show what this winchester friend tries? [11:19] paste alert [11:19] winchesterPAT> i dont know anything about developing softwaree [11:19] that's okay, you can get involved and learn, just being helpful on channels like #ubuntu is a good start [11:19] i dont trust linus [11:19] he hacks pepoles lifes [11:19] ok, if you say so. People are free to do what they want. [11:19] no theyr not [11:19] sure they are, within reason usually defined by social norms and laws. [11:19] they are free to hack people ? [11:19] go hack micros**t [11:19] why? Not only is that illegal, but I have nothing to gain by doing so. [11:19] note that I sanitised that [11:20] martin_: This is where the ops are, what do you need? [11:20] how interesting [11:21]